From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Mar 18 17:41:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 01:41:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 89627 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 01:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 01:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 01:41:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2003 01:41:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:41:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Favorite A.M. stereo transmission brand Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ad01c2edb7$8f059120$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 830 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.166.158.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Interestingly, my 1995 Delco is very, very civalized, even with weak atmospherically tormented signals. The 1988 delco is much more easily "thrown for a loop". CQUAM certainly has come a long way - can IBOC, or for that matter DAB, do the same? Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Chrysler used the MC13020 in pretty much everything up until 92, or early > 93, then switched to the 13022. Don't know if they ever used the '028. If > you've got a 92 or older radio, it's the '020, but it may have a house part > number rather than the Motorola number, especially in later production runs. > Not sure what Sony uses. > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JNR" > > > > > I have an SRF-42 and a Chrysler car radio. Which > > chps do they use? From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 18:48:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 02:48:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 21963 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 02:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 02:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 02:48:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2003 02:48:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 02:48:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Audiophile Quality/Reply to Eric Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 576 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.190 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: =snip= > Some are decent enough to enjoy, where the effects are minimum, while > others, like Core (UK) (http://www.core.musicradio.com/), a DAB > station, uses a dialup-bitrate stream at 22kb/s stereo, or > Johannesburg's Highveld Stereo (www.highfeld.co.za), also using a > dialup stream at 22kb/s, you can hear the wateryness quite badly, and > it's often frustrating to listen to. Just a clarification: That's http://www.highveld.co.za, with a "v". Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Imperfect mousie.) From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Mar 18 19:01:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 03:01:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 49892 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 03:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 03:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.36.193) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 03:01:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:01:50 -0800 Received: from 172.167.208.155 by OE59.pav2.internal.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:01:50 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <001201c2edb0$950ed740$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Heads Up on the Behringer Eurodesk MX9000 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:01:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 03:01:50.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[E33EBB20:01C2EDC3] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.167.208.155] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > What do you expect from cheap Chinese junk? Behringer is made in Germany, not China. It is German Junk! Kevin From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Mar 18 19:15:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 03:15:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 81854 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 03:15:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 03:15:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (207.169.189.136) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 03:15:27 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy.eds.com [192.85.216.78]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h2J3FLU01557 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:15:21 +1100 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2J3FJC05847 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:15:19 +1100 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2J3FHG05833 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:15:17 +1100 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:14:27 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF238D7FC@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT: Heads Up on the Behringer Eurodesk MX9000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:15:15 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Perhaps it was designed for 240/250v use and badly modified for use in the USA? -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter [mailto:possumhunter@netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2003 1:02 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Heads Up on the Behringer Eurodesk MX9000 Scott Todd wrote: > What do you expect from cheap Chinese junk? Behringer is made in Germany, not China. It is German Junk! Kevin Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Mar 18 19:38:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 03:38:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 9629 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 03:37:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 03:37:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.36.18) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 03:37:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:37:59 -0800 Received: from 172.167.208.155 by OE46.pav2.internal.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:37:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Heads Up on the Behringer Eurodesk MX9000 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:37:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 03:37:59.0095 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFB98470:01C2EDC8] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.167.208.155] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Phil Rafuse wrote: > What the Behringer needs is a quality power supply - small change compared to the cost of a new board. But knowing this, I'd be cautious about Behringer gear. Their refusal to release service information is reason enough to not buy Behringer gear! > > LPB Boards used to be considered indestructible - if they are still good, LPB still makes the battleship boards. You just can't go wrong with the Signature III series http://www.lpbinc.com/index_sigIII.htm The bad news is the owner of the station thinks rotary pots look too old fashioned, so he just MUST have a slide pot board. I want a Pacific Recorders BMX series. He replaced a pristine Gatesway 80 board with the Behringer. We may very well end up with the Gatesway 80 back on the air! I wonder if the Dynamax boards by LPB are as tough as the old Signature III line? > >So the moral of the story is, if you buy cheap, you may succeed if you re-engineer the stuff. How true! Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Mar 18 19:45:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 03:45:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 55254 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 03:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 03:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.36.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 03:45:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:45:51 -0800 Received: from 172.167.208.155 by OE33.pav2.internal.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:45:51 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Audio Processing and Radio Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:45:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 03:45:51.0325 (UTC) FILETIME=[093218D0:01C2EDCA] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.167.208.155] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 wgliradio wrote: > I an surprised. CRL AM gear can sound great! Yes, one of the best sounding stations in the market in the early '90s was WPCI with a CRL AM-4 setup and a MW1A transmitter. That was when the studio was on site with the transmitter. Too bad they cheaped out on the phone loop STL. They sound like crap in CQUAM stereo now! What a shame. Kevin From powell@conterra.com Tue Mar 18 19:47:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 03:47:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 69791 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 03:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 03:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 03:47:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2003 03:47:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:47:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Audio Processing and Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 606 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.98 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > wgliradio wrote: > > I an surprised. CRL AM gear can sound great! > > Yes, one of the best sounding stations in the market in the early '90s was > WPCI with a CRL AM-4 setup and a MW1A transmitter. That was when the studio > was on site with the transmitter. Too bad they cheaped out on the phone loop > STL. They sound like crap in CQUAM stereo now! What a shame. > > Kevin And remember, Kevin, it's the guy's TOY. And such weird selections of music. They sound better than a lot of stations I've heard. Powell From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 19:53:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 03:53:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 22106 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 03:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 03:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 03:53:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2003 03:53:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:53:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: the Kevtronimod Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1774 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It isn't clear from your description of the "Kevtronimod", in what > order these elements are applied to the input signal. In what > order are these elements connected between the audio inputs and the > outputs to the AM stereo exciter? The stereo enhancer comes first, and can be set anywhere from 10% (near-mono), through 100% (normal stereo), up to 500% (a massive L-R boost). In normal operation I have it set to 140%. Then comes the wideband limiter, which again can be set anywhere from 100% (no limiting, normal volume) up to 700% (maximum limiting). For the first audio sample (the longer one) I had it set to about 250%, and for the "full tilt" audio sample (the "countdown"), I had it set to the full 700%. Next in the audio chain is the wideband AGC -- yes, *after* the limiting, and then finally is the EQ/pre-emphasis. The stereo expansion and limiting are provided by MPXPLAY for DOS, the program I use on an IBM ThinkPad to play music files (MP2, MP3, and MPC/MusePack) in a continuously randomized playlist with auto cross-fading between songs. The AGC is provided by the "auto-level" input of a Sony MiniDisc recorder (set to "Recording Pause" mode to allow the AGC effect to be provided without actually recording anything to disc)... and finally the EQ/pre-emphasis is provided by a 10-band x 2 channel Modular Component System (J.C. Penney/MCS) graphic equalizer. That, my friend, is the "Kevtronimod", and it may not be everybody's cup of tea, but I think it sounds nice! Since I got my new antenna rigged up, I've had it running continuously for over a week without a single glitch. MPXPLAY is freeware if you'd like to try it yourself; it can be found at: http://mpxplay.tripod.com/ Long live DOS and AM Stereo! :-) From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Mar 18 19:53:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 03:53:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 78678 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 03:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 03:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 03:53:54 -0000 Received: from logs-mtc-ta.proxy.aol.com (logs-mtc-ta.proxy.aol.com [64.12.105.5]) by rly-ip03.mx.aol.com (v89.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN10-0318225128; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:51:28 -0500 Received: from ibm (ACA7D09B.ipt.aol.com [172.167.208.155]) by logs-mtc-ta.proxy.aol.com (8.12.6/8.12.8) with SMTP id h2J3oaug339956 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:50:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <009301c2edca$b046c580$9bd0a7ac@aoldsl.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Audio Processing and Radio Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:50:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Apparently-From: DodgeRamTrucker@aol.com From: "Possum Hunter" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 w4opw wrote: > WOIC's processor is a Texar Buzzard, er Texar Eagle. And no one, of course has made an attempt to set it up. If it is set up right, the Texar Eagle can sound pretty darn good, but it takes time to dink with it. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Mar 18 20:00:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 04:00:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 47734 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 03:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 03:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.36.122) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 03:59:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:59:58 -0800 Received: from 172.167.208.155 by OE18.pav2.internal.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:59:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: WPCI was: Audio Processing and Radio Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:59:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 03:59:58.0985 (UTC) FILETIME=[0270BF90:01C2EDCC] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.167.208.155] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 w4opw wrote: > And remember, Kevin, it's the guy's TOY. Very true, and I would sure love to have a "TOY" like that one day myself! > >And such weird selections of music. He has the format listed as "MOR", but it is actually All Over the Road! LOL It is much better than the Business Radio Network he started with, but I liked it better when he was running Jazz and BBC. > > They sound better than a lot of stations I've heard. True, but the 8Khz loop just kills the "sparkle" the audio used to have. How do you like his ground system? Kewl, huh? He sure needs to paint that tower! Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 20:14:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 04:14:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 22877 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 04:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 04:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 04:14:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2003 04:14:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 04:14:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Audiophile Quality/Reply to Eric Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1840 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > On some of the really overcompressed CDs they could probably stand > to be expanded. With software like Cool Edit Pro, this can be achieved by "clipping restoration". It takes the parts of the audio waveform that have been flat-topped (clipped) by excessive loudness during CD mastering, and attemps to re-create what the properly rounded waveform would have looked like before it was "hacked off" by the clipping. In most cases this works well and achieves a measurable increase in dynamic range from newer CD recordings. For example, here is the original waveform waveform graph of "All By Myself" by Celine Dion: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/celclip.gif This song sounds like it has good dynamic range, but in reality, this is achieved by recording the "quiet" parts at a conservative level, and then clipping the heck out of the "loud" parts! And here's what the waveform looks like after being "de-clipped" by Cool Edit Pro: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/declip.gif Although not 100% faithful to what the original waveform might have looked like, it does restore a great deal of dynamic range -- in this case, up to 8 dB's worth in the strong drum beats of the final chorus. Now, the question is, can this "de-clipped" be applied in real-time within a CD player to provide increased dynamic range without going through computer editing of each song? I think it can -- and if Super Audio CD (SACD) and DVD-Audio fail to take off, we may some manufacturer be smart enough to include it as enhancement to playback of regular CDs -- similar to "HDCD". For more information on how excessive processing/compressing/clipping during the mastering process has ruined the quality of the CDs we listen to, see my "The Compact Disc Loudness Wars" page: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/cdpage From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 20:28:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 04:28:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 69909 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 04:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 04:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 04:28:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2003 04:28:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 04:28:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1535 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Basically those samples are just to give a rough idea, what it > sounds like. You really need to be there to hear it in operation, > and give it a fair test.I have no idea what you are listening to, > when playing back a stream, the radio in person is the only > accurate test. If you think this, then you invalidate the entire concept of digital audio!! Uncompressed digital audio, like the WAV files on WOR's web site, is capable of being losslessly reproduced. That is, you can make a copy of digital audio -- like a CD, for example -- and if everything is working properly, the copy you get will be a 100% perfect match of the original -- just as you can copy a floppy disk on a computer and it will come out perfectly the same as the original. You're saying we really have to hear IBOC in person to properly judge it -- but if we're listening to a perfect digital copy of what you're hearing in the WOR building, then what difference does it make? Sure, we might be using different speakers or headphones, but wouldn't that also be true once IBOC radios go into production and people start listening to them in a wide variety of situations? This also applies to the European/Canadian "Eureka 147" DAB system, where perfect bit-by-bit sample copies of the DAB data streams are available on the Internet for people to download and listen to. The end result is exactly the same as if you were personally listening to a DAB receiver -- thus, arguments that "you have to hear it in person" are simply false! From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 20:56:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 04:56:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 67965 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 04:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 04:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 04:56:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2003 04:56:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 04:56:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2265 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.190 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > This also applies to the European/Canadian "Eureka 147" DAB system, > where perfect bit-by-bit sample copies of the DAB data streams are > available on the Internet for people to download and listen to. The > end result is exactly the same as if you were personally listening to > a DAB receiver -- thus, arguments that "you have to hear it in > person" are simply false! While DAB is compressed audio, and has all the problems associated with its lossy compression schemes, at least it IS possible to save and/or stream DAB audio bit-for-bit, and playable on any MP2-capable audio player (Winamp, for example, or RealOne, or...), where one can hear -exactly- what's sent from the studio, or, to be more accurate, exactly what's received by the DAB receiver (ie: a Dabmon setup or a setup using the Psion WaveFinder- which I do own, for whenever I visit anywhere near the Canadian border where there are DAB services-- like Vancouver, BC and Winsor, Ontario), and either saved or streamed without conversion to MP3/OGG. You can't readily do that with DRM (actually, it's possible- at least the MP4 AAC part of the codec) or IBOC (which is proprietary, and the only way to "hear" what's heard on an IBOC receiver would be an uncompressed-digital audio sample converted internally, digitally, without any analog stage, since the Lucent codec is not available for the 'puter just yet, and I doubt it ever will be). And being that I'm not near any large market (I'm a rural mousie- EVERYTHING is DX here, except for a handful of low-budget broadcasters, none with AM stereo), it would be hard to convice me that IBOC is heads and shoulders better than C-QUAM AM or even ordinary local analog FM. Since I'm not well-to-do (I will never be able to afford anything from Fanfare, sorry, and I can never ask for anything so expensive), I can ill-afford to buy into IBOC, should it arise here in the mountainous coast of California. But I have AM stereo. My own AM stereo, and I, for one, LIKE to DX. I'll get off my soapbox for the night... Probably not doing much good, anyway. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ GIVE PEACE A CHANCE! FOR YOUR CHILDREN'S SAKE, PLEASE! From krichards@wor710.com Wed Mar 19 03:26:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 11:26:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 74799 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 11:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 11:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 11:26:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2003 11:26:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:26:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3757 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 66.47.86.250 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Hey Everybody: I think the point I was trying to simply make was completely missed. You do not get the real world ability to see and hear any AM Stereo system be it C-Quam or HD, through any computer sample file. When a fair test is given, it is through a given radio, physoacoustically to your ears, from a given set of transducers, be it speakers or headphones attached to the radio. In the case of C-Quam any sample would have to be converted to bits by who knows what means, in the case of HD almost the same problem. A streamed sample is no match for a real world listening experience. I live and work in a real world situation. When we test a system it is with real equipment, on site and things happen. We do not make any audio related decisions without hands on experience. Do you think we bought our new consoles here at WOR by listening to streams over the Internet, comparing one brand to another? That's crazy. In the case of any Digital audio, almost all systems use some kind of compression, and they rely on the ability to mask physcoacoustically certain effects of the whole scheme involved. You cannot reproduce all of this through a simple stream of any kind. In the case of the whole magilla here...we have several issues here, first our audio processing itself, both HD and analog which can be sampled, adjusted, and listened to at various points along it's way in the audio chain. Next, we have the radio themselves, both analog and digital, where do you get a fair sample from them? Only by your ears. Sorry Guys, but this is basic, you cannot make a complete comparision without being there, it's just not fair. And that is my point here. Endless hours here have been spent comparing the HD samples we have provided, to everything from C-Quam to CD to DRM. You name "it", somebody has compared our samples to some benchmark they have set. Our samples are just that, "simple samples" not taken at any particular location in the chain, some at a certain place, some from the radio, at the studio or transmitter. We took a simple modicum of common sense, and tried not to alter them, we used in some samples, a recorded DAT tape, then converted the DAT back to a stream for the published WEB page. No particular reason why, just how we did it at the time, with what equipment was around. Our samples were never intended to to be used for such "lofty" comparisons, or efforts to make a value judgement. It's kind of funny to me how all of this has taken on a life of it's own, particularly here on this forum. They were just intended to demonstrate the state of the art. Remember, we do not work for Ibiquity, we are just the engineers here at Buckley radio, and we are very curious and sometimes proud that we get to try out new stuff. In the meantime, we have been trying to answer all of everyone's questions and show as many as we can how the "damn" thing works and sounds in the real world. It's really that simple. I cannot believe how much some of you are reading into all of this... With more and more HD stations coming on line we need to keep our minds in the real world and see how this new technology behaves and how it will be accepted in the marketplace and where. This is what is important. One of the best ideas I saw here recently was the combined use of C- Quam and HD, that makes some sense, and could be done. This is a real world situation, somebody will do, I know it will not be WOR for many reasons, but somebody will try this. Then, we have something to talk about. Keep in mind this (HD) is a new system that can deliver AM Stereo, and that's why we are here. Simple, isn't it? Kerry Richards Chief Engineer WOR-AM Buckley Broadcasting Corporation From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Mar 19 07:03:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 15:03:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 74408 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 15:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 15:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 15:03:36 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-133.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.133]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.3/8.12.2) with SMTP id h2JF3Xle025852 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:03:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003f01c2ee29$354ffea0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <001201c2edb0$950ed740$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Heads Up on the Behringer Eurodesk MX9000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:07:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You mean like Grundig radios? Sorry, I couldn't resist. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > Scott Todd wrote: > > What do you expect from cheap Chinese junk? > > Behringer is made in Germany, not China. It is German Junk! From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Mar 19 07:16:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 15:16:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 27978 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 15:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 15:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 15:16:30 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-133.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.133]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.3/8.12.2) with SMTP id h2JFGRle000471 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:16:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005001c2ee2b$02c27ce0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:19:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm definitely going to stick up for you on this one, Kerry, since there were two other variables you didn't mention- the quality of the sound cards and speakers one might be using on their computers. I know the quality of sound cards is a big issue on the broadcasters' end, so why wouldn't it be on the listeners' end? And even if they're reasonably good on both counts, it isn't the same listening at one's computer desk as it is driving down the freeway. I did hear my first HD signal a couple weeks ago- WCHB out of Mich. I definitely heard the hash which sounded like I was listening to a distant FM station. While it wasn't all that aggravating to listen to, I'd still say I prefer current analog AM stereo, though I would have been VERY interested to hear what the digital signal would sound like in comparison. Too bad NYC is too far of a drive. I'd really like to see the WOR installation. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Richards" > I think the point I was trying to simply make was completely missed. > > You do not get the real world ability to see and hear any AM Stereo > system be it C-Quam or HD, through any computer sample file. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Mar 19 07:20:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 15:20:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 13599 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 15:20:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 15:20:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 15:20:35 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-133.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.133]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.3/8.12.2) with SMTP id h2JFKVle001926 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:20:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005601c2ee2b$9468dd60$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <001201c2edb0$950ed740$827dfea9@home1> <003f01c2ee29$354ffea0$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} correction- OT: Heads Up on the Behringer Eurodesk MX9000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:24:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Oops- meant that by way of manufacturing vs the name. Grundig radios are usually pretty good. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:07 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Heads Up on the Behringer Eurodesk MX9000 > You mean like Grundig radios? Sorry, I couldn't resist. > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Possum Hunter" > > > > Scott Todd wrote: > > > What do you expect from cheap Chinese junk? > > > > Behringer is made in Germany, not China. It is German Junk! > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From krichards@wor710.com Wed Mar 19 07:39:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 15:39:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 67223 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 15:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 15:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 15:38:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2003 15:38:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:38:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005001c2ee2b$02c27ce0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1272 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.161.63 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 This is exactly my point, and why you gotta be there to experience "it". Thanks, Kerry..... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I'm definitely going to stick up for you on this one, Kerry, since there > were two other variables you didn't mention- the quality of the sound cards > and speakers one might be using on their computers. I know the quality of > sound cards is a big issue on the broadcasters' end, so why wouldn't it be > on the listeners' end? And even if they're reasonably good on both counts, > it isn't the same listening at one's computer desk as it is driving down the > freeway. I did hear my first HD signal a couple weeks ago- WCHB out of > Mich. I definitely heard the hash which sounded like I was listening to a > distant FM station. While it wasn't all that aggravating to listen to, I'd > still say I prefer current analog AM stereo, though I would have been VERY > interested to hear what the digital signal would sound like in comparison. > Too bad NYC is too far of a drive. I'd really like to see the WOR > installation. > > Scott Todd > > > > You do not get the real world ability to see and hear any AM Stereo > > system be it C-Quam or HD, through any computer sample file. > > From fanfare@globility.com Wed Mar 19 07:59:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 15:59:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 20523 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 15:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 15:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 15:59:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2003 15:59:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:59:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1483 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.204 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > Hey Everybody: > > I think the point I was trying to simply make was completely missed. > > You do not get the real world ability to see and hear any AM Stereo > system be it C-Quam or HD, through any computer sample file. > In the case of the whole magilla here...we have several issues here, > first our audio processing itself, both HD and analog which can be > sampled, adjusted, and listened to at various points along it's way > in the audio chain. Next, we have the radio themselves, both analog > and digital, where do you get a fair sample from them? > > Only by your ears. > > One of the best ideas I saw here recently was the combined use of C- > Quam and HD, that makes some sense, and could be done. This is a real > world situation, somebody will do, I know it will not be WOR for many > reasons, but somebody will try this. Then, we have something to talk > about. Along with obviously agreeing with Kerry on his use of "ears" as a major part of the criteria, I'm sure all of us here would like to see that as one of the eventual benefits of radio... that one will be allowed to use their ears in enjoyment, instead of criticism. All ears were not created equal. Someday there will be a survey that pits a judiciously processed, 'good' sound against 'loud and aggressive' sound. IMHO, only then will radio know what shape the ballpark is. M.S. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Mar 19 08:07:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 16:07:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 83751 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 16:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 16:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 16:07:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2003 16:07:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:07:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 7999 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking In fairness, I agree with Kerry's point. I have heard some very good CQUAM clips off the internet, but the sound of listening to CQUAM AM Stereo in "the real" is still better then even the best planned clip using the highest quality bitrate and the least amount of digital compression. So, its pretty logical that IBOC will sound better off a real radio than it would on a clip off the net. How good will IBOC really sound? That's where I guess we'll need some patience. I'd have to say that I'll reserve judgement until I hear it for real. Stating the obvious - Keep in mind that as more "layers" occur, whether analogue or digital, quality will suffer. If you make a copy of a copy of a copy of an analogue tape, the quality does go downhill. Signal to noise ratio is the first to go. With digital compression, adding generations will not be flattering. Let's see, music coming off a hard drive, digital processing, IBOC, received, then saved on a file that everyone on the web can access - its a tall order to sound good. Choosing a bitrate - well, do I want it to sound really good, but only those with high speed can hear it? Or, am I willing to sacrifice sonic purity so those in dial up land can listen too and then you sound like this: www.1015thehawk.com/live.html The real test of IBOC from a sound quality perspective will be when there are some consumer radios out there. My guess is that it will sound OK - for casual listening. Digital artifacts are not too noticeable with road noise, office chatter, screaming kids or the dishwasher in the background. Some will like it, some will hate it - many may be indifferent. Digital compression can be played with, tweaked, improved. Interference issues, no matter how"legal" may be another story in an overcrowded band. The irony is IBOC might work great in Canada, where AM has become very "depopulated"! yet IBOC was rejected here "eons" ago, in favour of the limited coverage L- Band Eureka 147 DAB - kind of odd in a large, spread out country with one of the world's lowest population densities. However, hearing CQUAM AM Stereo, from a station that plays actual CDs going straight into a real "board", going into an STL [actually two STLs, one for left, one for right]does give superb sound. Well chosen reproduction off a harddrive, a multiplexed STL, and other real world factors still result in sound that is pretty good. At first blush, CQUAM at its best is not as impressive as FM - it doesn't have the "boom and tiz". FM's boom and tiz is from over EQing, not any defect in the technology per se. Well set up CQUAM AM Stereo puts the listener up on the stage - its sounds more "live" and less "studio". To me, FM, as it is frequently "abused" sounds more "impressive" if say I was 16 years old and I wanted to fill the trunk of my car with subwoofers. CQUAM AM Stereo sounds, well, more natural and accurate. Not true HiFi, but a very nice "free" substitute. Don't get me wrong - some processing is required, and the right amount can give sparkle and punch which can give a great signature sound. But, processing is like coffee, some is good, too much can be bad. Most often the processor is not to blame, its the person tweaking it that makes or breaks the sound. But sometimes, well, you have to decide between good sound and reaching the manager's house at night. The real world. Driving into work this morning using my beloved new/old Delco UX-1 variant, 1320 CKEC AM mono sounds clearer, more natural, more enjoyable than does Magic 93.1 or Big Dog 100.9. If I park near salt water, then CJFX 580 AM Stereo comes in clearly - with better sound and superior channel separation than CJFX's FM repeater on 98.9. AM Stereo, now in my car - it's nice to hear the vocals clearly again! It's like being right in the front row of auditorium, rather than being outside waiting to get in. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > Hey Everybody: > > I think the point I was trying to simply make was completely missed. > > You do not get the real world ability to see and hear any AM Stereo > system be it C-Quam or HD, through any computer sample file. > > When a fair test is given, it is through a given radio, > physoacoustically to your ears, from a given set of transducers, be > it speakers or headphones attached to the radio. > > In the case of C-Quam any sample would have to be converted to bits > by who knows what means, in the case of HD almost the same problem. > A streamed sample is no match for a real world listening experience. > > I live and work in a real world situation. When we test a system it > is with real equipment, on site and things happen. We do not make any > audio related decisions without hands on experience. Do you think we > bought our new consoles here at WOR by listening to streams over the > Internet, comparing one brand to another? That's crazy. > > In the case of any Digital audio, almost all systems use some kind of > compression, and they rely on the ability to mask physcoacoustically > certain effects of the whole scheme involved. You cannot reproduce > all of this through a simple stream of any kind. > > In the case of the whole magilla here...we have several issues here, > first our audio processing itself, both HD and analog which can be > sampled, adjusted, and listened to at various points along it's way > in the audio chain. Next, we have the radio themselves, both analog > and digital, where do you get a fair sample from them? > > Only by your ears. > > Sorry Guys, but this is basic, you cannot make a complete comparision > without being there, it's just not fair. > > And that is my point here. > > Endless hours here have been spent comparing the HD samples we have > provided, to everything from C-Quam to CD to DRM. You name "it", > somebody has compared our samples to some benchmark they have set. > Our samples are just that, "simple samples" not taken at any > particular location in the chain, some at a certain place, some from > the radio, at the studio or transmitter. We took a simple modicum of > common sense, and tried not to alter them, we used in some samples, a > recorded DAT tape, then converted the DAT back to a stream for the > published WEB page. No particular reason why, just how we did it at > the time, with what equipment was around. > > Our samples were never intended to to be used for such "lofty" > comparisons, or efforts to make a value judgement. It's kind of funny > to me how all of this has taken on a life of it's own, particularly > here on this forum. They were just intended to demonstrate the state > of the art. > > Remember, we do not work for Ibiquity, we are just the engineers here > at Buckley radio, and we are very curious and sometimes proud that we > get to try out new stuff. > > In the meantime, we have been trying to answer all of everyone's > questions and show as many as we can how the "damn" thing works and > sounds in the real world. It's really that simple. > > I cannot believe how much some of you are reading into all of this... > > With more and more HD stations coming on line we need to keep our > minds in the real world and see how this new technology behaves and > how it will be accepted in the marketplace and where. This is what is > important. > > One of the best ideas I saw here recently was the combined use of C- > Quam and HD, that makes some sense, and could be done. This is a real > world situation, somebody will do, I know it will not be WOR for many > reasons, but somebody will try this. Then, we have something to talk > about. > > Keep in mind this (HD) is a new system that can deliver AM Stereo, > and that's why we are here. > > Simple, isn't it? > > Kerry Richards > Chief Engineer > WOR-AM > Buckley Broadcasting Corporation From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Mar 19 08:28:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 16:28:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 85972 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 16:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 16:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 16:28:30 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:28:30 -0700 Message-ID: <006701c2ee34$945677c0$0701010a@keva> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:28:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Been browsing at some of these threads on IBOC, and just deleting others. All interesting stuff. I have to give kudos to Kerry and Tom at WOR for doing the best they can to let us hear what true IBOC sounds like. a true .wav file is the ONLY way to reproduce each and every bit of sound in its entirety without any editing or compression or anything. It's getting better. It'll always be compressed. It has to be. There's just not enough bandwidth to do what they need to do. This would be the advantage of a different system like the one in Canada (Eurkea?) that uses a totally separate band....then that way you've got the bandwidth of the WHOLE channel to do what you need to do to make it sound good. I can really see what these guys are trying to do. The big picture: The AM band actually has advantages over the FM band....such as longer range....being able to go around hills and mountains with no multi-pathing. This is a wonderful advantage of AM over FM. Now if there was a way to utilize this band and be able to get rid of the bad points....the pops...the static...the buzzes....the whistle. Well, this is the way to do it. Analog AM will always be succeptable to all of this noise and these problems and there's nothing you can do about it. It's just a property and casualty of AM. I do agree with Kerry. C-quam sounds wonderful and technically it looks like it can be done....combine them both. If the folks at Ibiquity can figure out how to get their digital information out there for the digital carrier, while still allowing 6khz of audio bandwidth for the analog signal, I think that would sound pretty darn good. The new radios could encode the digital when it's there, and when it's not, switch to analog and allow 6khz of audio bandwidth.....which will sound QUITE decent! And decode that 6khz in stereo if there is c-quam stereo being transmitted on the analog side. Honestly, don't you guys think the millions and millions of people out there that have been listening to muddy crappy AM radios for YEARS would think that audio at 6khz would sound TONS better?? I can tell ya right now I think if most people heard 6khz audio on a radio they'd say WOW! That sounds awesome! This digital is great!! Only because most folks have had muddy crappy-sounding radios for years and years. I think that's why most of us here fight that we don't necessarily need digital, just higher bandwidth radios. Most people don't know what real AM sounds like. 6khz...7khz...even 7.5khz sounds great. I guess we now go back to the old addage "it's the manufacturers that killed AM, not the stations or programming." Well...it's a little of both. I still know that in smaller markets like where I am, if you are doing something on the AM that people want to listen to, they're going to listen. Even on their narrow-bandwidth crappy AM radio. Still yet....don't you all think that a digital radio with IBOC decoding and 6khz bandwidth c-quam am stereo on the analog side.....wouldn't that be good!? Then we're still not trashing the legacy analog side.....those with analog AM radios are still getting a decent sound, and of course, those with a digital radio are getting good, noise-free sound as well. Just one man's view of it all. Michael n WYO KEVA AM Stereo 1240 From: Kerry Richards To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:26 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Hey Everybody: I think the point I was trying to simply make was completely missed. You do not get the real world ability to see and hear any AM Stereo system be it C-Quam or HD, through any computer sample file. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Mar 19 08:29:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 16:29:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 43840 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 16:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 16:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 16:29:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2003 16:29:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:29:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 9358 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Oops, someone was sleep deprived today! Didn't see that WOR's clips were done in WAV files. Kinda takes away from my arguments a tad. Nevertheless, as Scott rightly points out - soundcards vary - a lot. I'm used to Turtle Beach Santa Cruz - a decent card which I have on my work Dell and my home Dell. By the way, the analogue clips of WOR don't sound that bad - not as muddy as one would expect from a "typical radio". So, unlike iBiquity, WOR isn't trying to sell IBOC by portraying analogue AM as going up to 2000 Hz! So, I'm still curious to hear IBOC for real. I still think that IBOC by day, CQUAM by night might be an acceptable compromise to TRY to jump start Mr. and Ms. Consumer into a little respect for AM. Sheepishly crawling back to his CQUAM enclave...while skeptical, although curious as a Kitty, about IBOC. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: > In fairness, I agree with Kerry's point. I have heard some very > good CQUAM clips off the internet, but the sound of listening to > CQUAM AM Stereo in "the real" is still better then even the best > planned clip using the highest quality bitrate and the least amount > of digital compression. So, its pretty > logical that IBOC will sound better off a real radio than it would > on a clip off the net. How good will IBOC really sound? That's > where I guess we'll need some patience. I'd have to say that I'll > reserve judgement until I hear it for real. > > Stating the obvious - Keep in mind that as more "layers" occur, > whether analogue or > digital, quality will suffer. If you make a copy of a copy of a > copy of an analogue tape, the quality does go downhill. Signal to > noise ratio is the first to go. With > digital compression, adding generations will not be flattering. > Let's see, music coming off a hard drive, digital processing, IBOC, > received, then saved on a file that everyone on the web can access - > its a tall order to sound good. Choosing a bitrate - well, do I > want it to sound really good, but only those with high speed can > hear it? Or, am I willing to sacrifice sonic purity so those in > dial up land can listen too and then you sound like this: > > www.1015thehawk.com/live.html > > The real test of IBOC from a sound quality perspective will be when > there are some consumer radios out there. My guess is that it will > sound OK - for casual listening. Digital artifacts are not too > noticeable with road noise, office chatter, screaming kids or the > dishwasher in the background. Some will like it, some will hate it - > many may be indifferent. Digital compression can be played with, > tweaked, improved. Interference issues, no matter how"legal" may be > another story in an overcrowded band. The irony is IBOC might work > great in Canada, where AM has become very "depopulated"! yet IBOC > was rejected here "eons" ago, in favour of the limited coverage L- > Band Eureka 147 DAB - kind of odd in a large, spread out country > with one of the world's lowest population densities. > > However, hearing CQUAM AM Stereo, from a station that plays actual > CDs going straight into a real "board", going into an STL [actually > two STLs, one for left, one for right]does give superb sound. Well > chosen reproduction off a harddrive, a multiplexed STL, and other > real world factors still result in sound that is pretty good. At > first blush, CQUAM at its best is not as impressive as FM - it > doesn't have the "boom and tiz". FM's boom and tiz is from over > EQing, not any defect in the technology per se. Well set up CQUAM > AM Stereo puts the listener up on the stage - its sounds more "live" > and less "studio". > > To me, FM, as it is frequently "abused" sounds more "impressive" if > say I was 16 years old and I wanted to fill the trunk of my car with > subwoofers. CQUAM > AM Stereo sounds, well, more natural and accurate. Not true HiFi, > but a very nice "free" substitute. > > Don't get me wrong - some processing is required, and the right > amount can give sparkle and punch which can give a great signature > sound. But, processing is like coffee, some is good, too much can > be bad. Most often the processor is not to blame, its the person > tweaking it that makes or breaks the sound. But sometimes, well, > you have to decide between good sound and reaching the manager's > house at night. The real world. > > Driving into work this morning using my beloved new/old Delco UX-1 > variant, 1320 CKEC AM mono sounds clearer, > more natural, more enjoyable than does Magic 93.1 or Big Dog 100.9. > If I park near salt water, then CJFX 580 AM Stereo comes in clearly - > with better sound and superior channel separation than CJFX's FM > repeater on 98.9. > > AM Stereo, now in my car - it's nice to hear the vocals clearly > again! It's like being right in the front row of auditorium, rather > than being outside waiting to get in. > > Phil R. > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" > wrote: > > Hey Everybody: > > > > I think the point I was trying to simply make was completely > missed. > > > > You do not get the real world ability to see and hear any AM > Stereo > > system be it C-Quam or HD, through any computer sample file. > > > > When a fair test is given, it is through a given radio, > > physoacoustically to your ears, from a given set of transducers, > be > > it speakers or headphones attached to the radio. > > > > In the case of C-Quam any sample would have to be converted to > bits > > by who knows what means, in the case of HD almost the same problem. > > A streamed sample is no match for a real world listening > experience. > > > > I live and work in a real world situation. When we test a system > it > > is with real equipment, on site and things happen. We do not make > any > > audio related decisions without hands on experience. Do you think > we > > bought our new consoles here at WOR by listening to streams over > the > > Internet, comparing one brand to another? That's crazy. > > > > In the case of any Digital audio, almost all systems use some kind > of > > compression, and they rely on the ability to mask > physcoacoustically > > certain effects of the whole scheme involved. You cannot reproduce > > all of this through a simple stream of any kind. > > > > In the case of the whole magilla here...we have several issues > here, > > first our audio processing itself, both HD and analog which can be > > sampled, adjusted, and listened to at various points along it's > way > > in the audio chain. Next, we have the radio themselves, both > analog > > and digital, where do you get a fair sample from them? > > > > Only by your ears. > > > > Sorry Guys, but this is basic, you cannot make a complete > comparision > > without being there, it's just not fair. > > > > And that is my point here. > > > > Endless hours here have been spent comparing the HD samples we > have > > provided, to everything from C-Quam to CD to DRM. You name "it", > > somebody has compared our samples to some benchmark they have set. > > Our samples are just that, "simple samples" not taken at any > > particular location in the chain, some at a certain place, some > from > > the radio, at the studio or transmitter. We took a simple modicum > of > > common sense, and tried not to alter them, we used in some > samples, a > > recorded DAT tape, then converted the DAT back to a stream for the > > published WEB page. No particular reason why, just how we did it > at > > the time, with what equipment was around. > > > > Our samples were never intended to to be used for such "lofty" > > comparisons, or efforts to make a value judgement. It's kind of > funny > > to me how all of this has taken on a life of it's own, > particularly > > here on this forum. They were just intended to demonstrate the > state > > of the art. > > > > Remember, we do not work for Ibiquity, we are just the engineers > here > > at Buckley radio, and we are very curious and sometimes proud that > we > > get to try out new stuff. > > > > In the meantime, we have been trying to answer all of everyone's > > questions and show as many as we can how the "damn" thing works > and > > sounds in the real world. It's really that simple. > > > > I cannot believe how much some of you are reading into all of > this... > > > > With more and more HD stations coming on line we need to keep our > > minds in the real world and see how this new technology behaves > and > > how it will be accepted in the marketplace and where. This is what > is > > important. > > > > One of the best ideas I saw here recently was the combined use of > C- > > Quam and HD, that makes some sense, and could be done. This is a > real > > world situation, somebody will do, I know it will not be WOR for > many > > reasons, but somebody will try this. Then, we have something to > talk > > about. > > > > Keep in mind this (HD) is a new system that can deliver AM Stereo, > > and that's why we are here. > > > > Simple, isn't it? > > > > Kerry Richards > > Chief Engineer > > WOR-AM > > Buckley Broadcasting Corporation From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Mar 19 08:39:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 16:39:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 15516 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 16:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 16:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 16:39:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2003 16:39:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:39:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006701c2ee34$945677c0$0701010a@keva> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4662 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Michael, I agree. It could be argued that IBOC needs CQUAM, and vice versa, from the point of view of selling new radios to an apathetic public. To me, IBOC's only real plus is s/n a big factor during the "workday". The interference issue is a big issue at night. IBOC by day, CQUAM by night [I'm assuming stereo here] could be the best way to go in the real world. I just don't see IBOC as that evil by day. At night, it could be a very different story. I haven't heard IBOC hash yet - I suspect I will, via DX, before long. While I'd like as much audio bandwidth as I could get, 6khz audio is not bad. I'd love to hear the Visteon that Tom and Kerry have spoken of - combining IBOC and CQUAM. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Been browsing at some of these threads on IBOC, and just deleting others. All interesting stuff. I have to give kudos to Kerry and Tom at WOR for doing the best they can to let us hear what true IBOC sounds like. a true .wav file is the ONLY way to reproduce each and every bit of sound in its entirety without any editing or compression or anything. > It's getting better. It'll always be compressed. It has to be. There's just not enough bandwidth to do what they need to do. This would be the advantage of a different system like the one in Canada (Eurkea?) that uses a totally separate band....then that way you've got the bandwidth of the WHOLE channel to do what you need to do to make it sound good. I can really see what these guys are trying to do. The big picture: The AM band actually has advantages over the FM band....such as longer range....being able to go around hills and mountains with no multi-pathing. This is a wonderful advantage of AM over FM. Now if there was a way to utilize this band and be able to get rid of the bad points....the pops...the static...the buzzes....the whistle. Well, this is the way to do it. Analog AM will always be succeptable to all of this noise and these problems and there's nothing you can do about it. It's just a property and casualty of AM. I do agree with Kerry. C-quam sounds wonderful and technically it looks like it can be done....combine them both. If the folks at Ibiquity can figure out how to get their digital information out there for the digital carrier, while still allowing 6khz of audio bandwidth for the analog signal, I think that would sound pretty darn good. The new radios could encode the digital when it's there, and when it's not, switch to analog and allow 6khz of audio bandwidth.....which will sound QUITE decent! And decode that 6khz in stereo if there is c-quam stereo being transmitted on the analog side. Honestly, don't you guys think the millions and millions of people out there that have been listening to muddy crappy AM radios for YEARS would think that audio at 6khz would sound TONS better?? I can tell ya right now I think if most people heard 6khz audio on a radio they'd say WOW! That sounds awesome! This digital is great!! Only because most folks have had muddy crappy-sounding radios for years and years. I think that's why most of us here fight that we don't necessarily need digital, just higher bandwidth radios. Most people don't know what real AM sounds like. 6khz...7khz...even 7.5khz sounds great. I guess we now go back to the old addage "it's the manufacturers that killed AM, not the stations or programming." Well...it's a little of both. I still know that in smaller markets like where I am, if you are doing something on the AM that people want to listen to, they're going to listen. Even on their narrow-bandwidth crappy AM radio. Still yet....don't you all think that a digital radio with IBOC decoding and 6khz bandwidth c-quam am stereo on the analog side.....wouldn't that be good!? Then we're still not trashing the legacy analog side.....those with analog AM radios are still getting a decent sound, and of course, those with a digital radio are getting good, noise-free sound as well. > > Just one man's view of it all. > Michael n WYO > KEVA AM Stereo 1240 > > From: Kerry Richards > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:26 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer > > > Hey Everybody: > > I think the point I was trying to simply make was completely missed. > > You do not get the real world ability to see and hear any AM Stereo > system be it C-Quam or HD, through any computer sample file. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 19 08:50:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 16:50:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 97245 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 16:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 16:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 16:50:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2003 16:49:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:49:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC: The bottom line Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2575 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics At least for me, the bottom line is that iBiquity has claimed that IBOC on FM "will exceed the quality of the best possible analog and will deliver CD-quality sound" (yes, those are their EXACT words) and IBOC on AM will offer "near FM-quality stereo reception". Before spending hundreds of dollars on an IBOC receiver (which may end up as an expensive paperweight if the system turns out to be a flop), I simply want to know if these claims are valid or not. After all, there are only two criteria by which IBOC will be judged: reception and sound quality. And at least by my standards, IBOC will need to offer BOTH better reception AND better sound quality in order for it to be worthwhile. Obviously reception is a real-world experience which cannot be duplicated over the Internet, except in the indirect form of test results, coverage maps, etc. But sound quality CAN be assessed without actually listening to a receiver first-hand. And although the claim of "near FM-quality" sound is pretty much meaningless, the implication is that IBOC on AM will sound better than what analog AM can achieve, although perhaps not as good as analog FM Stereo.... and if it can't live up to this claim, then what good is it? Better reception alone won't revitalize the AM band; high-quality AM receivers with excellent reception have been available for years, but they aren't flying off the store shelves because people just aren't attracted to the programming and sound quality that the AM band offers to them. In order to achieve a significant increase in popularity, AM needs three things -- and ALL of these three things, not just one or two of them: Better programming, better reception, and better sound quality. Better programming is obviously up to each station to provide by their own accord. And now we have two competing methods for offering better reception and better sound quality: the existing analog AM system with high-quality AMAX AM Stereo receviers and new enhancements with DSP-based receiver designs, and iBiquity's IBOC/"HD Radio" system. Which one will ultimately succeed, if any? We'll have to wait and see -- but if IBOC wants to gain any favor with its skeptics, it needs to offer PROOF of its claims -- not just marketing hype and use of the "DIGITAL" buzz-word. In fact, so far it seems the opposite -- that iBiquity has been trying to HIDE some of the ugly facts about IBOC from us, such as just how good or bad it sounds, especially on AM. So, I ask to all the IBOC proponents: "Where's the beef??" From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Mar 19 08:56:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 16:56:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 37858 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 16:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 16:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 16:56:31 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:56:31 -0700 Message-ID: <007201c2ee38$7e1ffcc0$0701010a@keva> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:56:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBOC by day, C-quam by nite! I like it. I think with the properties of AM, there's not gonna be any way to avoid interference at night. The FCC would have to almost shut down all stations except a few to not have the interference problems they do. They've had a hard enough job over the years trying to make protection requirements and directional arrays and such to manage night-time interference. I honestly hope they can accept that fact that it just won't work at night. It might be digital, but it's STILL AM. Period. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Rafuse To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Michael, I agree. It could be argued that IBOC needs CQUAM, and vice versa, from the point of view of selling new radios to an apathetic public. To me, IBOC's only real plus is s/n a big factor during the "workday". The interference issue is a big issue at night. IBOC by day, CQUAM by night [I'm assuming stereo here] could be the best way to go in the real world. I just don't see IBOC as that evil by day. At night, it could be a very different story. I haven't heard IBOC hash yet - I suspect I will, via DX, before long. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From krichards@wor710.com Wed Mar 19 10:28:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 18:28:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 82497 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 18:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 18:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 18:28:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2003 18:28:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:28:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: The bottom line Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3355 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.161.63 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Kevin, You are not old enough to remember the claims made by Motorola, Kahn, and others when AM Stereo first appeared. They all claimed AM was going to be on par with FM, from a maketing standpoint, and from an audio stereo standpoint, particularly Leonard Kahn's early and continuing claims. I do not find Ibiquity's claims any more or less excessive. A "Claim" is just that, and it remains to be proved. This will happen in the future. The only difference here is that there was no Internet nor AM Stereo Forum in those days as there is now. So I wonder how much trashing Motorola and Kahn, let alone those stations that tested the systems would have been subjected to. The one thing we all know is that ultimately, our beloved C-Quam system was not widely accepted. This is the issue that separates the "men from the boys". Those of us who have labored numerous hours in the field trying to get C-Quam to work properly, on numerous installations, and have practical experience. Then there are those that do not know how any of it works but do know what sounds good and what they like. Then how about those that only stay in their cubbyholes and on line, who do not get out and investigate the current real life engineering problems AM broadcasters face today. It's a real tough issue. We are talking about the future of thousands of AM stations in this country, who are fighting for existence, both fiscally and technically. I can say this: if Visteon keeps putting radios in Ford vehicles that are HD capable with C-Quam, then there is no reason both systems cannot be used. One by day and the other at night. This is an easy call for the broadcaster who is currently operating in C-Quam and wants to do HD. The other certainty here, is that there will be a new push to sell HD radios when they hit the stores. Something, that is not happening to C-Quam. So if you want to hear AM Stereo it may well be the HD scheme that will soon gain public notice and awareness. Combo HD/C-Quam operations may never happen if the FCC approves nightime use of IBOC. This currently looks like it will be addressed later this year. As a major market Engineer, it is none of my business what goes on the air from a programming standpoint, we are concerned about the delivery of the product to the listener, and everything in between. Very seriously, until you get experience in major market radio, this could be a difficult concept for some to comprehend. Anyhthing that helps this issue is important to us, hence our interest in new and evolving technologies. Everyone has an opinion, whether it is logical, correct, accurate, or responsibly stated is entirely another matter, which usually in the end is reduced to some conclusion. More importantly, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, this being the case, I hope I have accurately expressed mine on this forum. Thanks, Kerry Richards Chief Engineer WOR-AM Buckley Broadcasting Corporation --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > At least for me, the bottom line is that iBiquity has claimed that > IBOC on FM "will exceed the quality of the best possible analog and > will deliver CD-quality sound" (yes, those are their EXACT words) and > IBOC on AM will offer "near FM-quality stereo reception". > > > From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed Mar 19 11:24:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 19:24:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 12713 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 19:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 19:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 19:24:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2003 19:24:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:24:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: The bottom line Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2489 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > Kevin,=20 >=20 > You are not old enough to remember the claims made by Motorola, Kahn,=20 > and others when AM Stereo first appeared. They all claimed AM was=20 > going to be on par with FM, from a maketing standpoint, and from an=20 > audio stereo standpoint, particularly Leonard Kahn's early and=20 > continuing claims. >=20 > I do not find Ibiquity's claims any more or less excessive. A "Claim"=20 > is just that, and it remains to be proved. This will happen in the=20 > future.=20 >=20 IBOC and C-QuAM have one thing in commmon. Neither were not quite ready for prime time when they were first introduced. With IBOC the codecs were not fully developed and with C-QuAM both transmition and reception issues had not been fully wotked out. I can't really speak for issues broadcasters had in implementing C-QuAM at the transmitter site but for reception Motorola didn't have enough experience in adequately decoding C-QuAM under adverse reception conditions. The MC13020 chip's major flaw was how the the cosine correction circuit misbehaved when interference caused the phase to exceed =B172=B0 during negative modulation. From an electronic hobbiest view who fully understands the math of C-QuAM it baffles me how Motorola could have ever overlooked something like this. I have to say that Kahn's method of distortion correction had been worked out over many years and was definitely more mature. His inverse modulation scheme did not involve any phase components and therefore did not misbehave like this during interference. This battle between Motorola and Kahn left a bad taste in everyones mouth and is why the broadcasters banded together on this digital thing to avoid such issues. Nobody wanted to see a repeat like Kahn sueing Delco over the claim that the negative feedback cosine corrector circuit infringed on his inverse modulator design. IBOC still has issues in reguards to the nighttime interference problem. If this becomes a major problem after several stations adopt it then it could put a chill on the rest of the stations moving forward with it. I think offering the option to also do C-QuAM with an IBOC exciter just might be enough to get these stations to go ahead and purchase an exciter. The next time WOR puts samples of the HD Radio in WAV form a program called shorten could be used to losslessly compress them 2:1 for download. It is available at: http://www.softsound.com/Shorten.html From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Mar 19 14:41:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 22:41:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 65503 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 22:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 22:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 22:41:21 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 593A3211E54 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0351800CE for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:40:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030319172742.009f0950@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:36:44 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kerry, How can you say that we are not hearing the real thing? After all, you provide uncompressed wave files. There's no lossy compression going on when you created those. I have a hard time believing that if I get an IBOC receiver, and plug it via the line-in to my computer that I'd here that there would be any noticeable difference. Now if you were compressing the heck out of it (like mp3 files at 128K) on your page, then you'd have a point. I'm not going to be listening to it on monitoring equipment in my house. It'll be threw the system I have set at home. Consumer products. And hearing it on my consumer product is real enough for me. That is what I listen to all things on. SO to me listening to it threw the products I own is a fair and just test in my mind. How many people are going to have the monitoring equipment to hear the IBOC broadcast? Certainly not your average Jane or Joe. And that (from what I can tell) is who Ibiquity and the stations would be targeting. At 11:26 AM 3/19/03 +0000, you wrote: >Hey Everybody: > >I think the point I was trying to simply make was completely missed. > >You do not get the real world ability to see and hear any AM Stereo >system be it C-Quam or HD, through any computer sample file. > >When a fair test is given, it is through a given radio, >physoacoustically to your ears, from a given set of transducers, be >it speakers or headphones attached to the radio. > >In the case of C-Quam any sample would have to be converted to bits >by who knows what means, in the case of HD almost the same problem. >A streamed sample is no match for a real world listening experience. > >I live and work in a real world situation. When we test a system it >is with real equipment, on site and things happen. We do not make any >audio related decisions without hands on experience. Do you think we >bought our new consoles here at WOR by listening to streams over the >Internet, comparing one brand to another? That's crazy. > >In the case of any Digital audio, almost all systems use some kind of >compression, and they rely on the ability to mask physcoacoustically >certain effects of the whole scheme involved. You cannot reproduce >all of this through a simple stream of any kind. > >In the case of the whole magilla here...we have several issues here, >first our audio processing itself, both HD and analog which can be >sampled, adjusted, and listened to at various points along it's way >in the audio chain. Next, we have the radio themselves, both analog >and digital, where do you get a fair sample from them? > >Only by your ears. > >Sorry Guys, but this is basic, you cannot make a complete comparision >without being there, it's just not fair. > >And that is my point here. > >Endless hours here have been spent comparing the HD samples we have >provided, to everything from C-Quam to CD to DRM. You name "it", >somebody has compared our samples to some benchmark they have set. >Our samples are just that, "simple samples" not taken at any >particular location in the chain, some at a certain place, some from >the radio, at the studio or transmitter. We took a simple modicum of >common sense, and tried not to alter them, we used in some samples, a >recorded DAT tape, then converted the DAT back to a stream for the >published WEB page. No particular reason why, just how we did it at >the time, with what equipment was around. > >Our samples were never intended to to be used for such "lofty" >comparisons, or efforts to make a value judgement. It's kind of funny >to me how all of this has taken on a life of it's own, particularly >here on this forum. They were just intended to demonstrate the state >of the art. > >Remember, we do not work for Ibiquity, we are just the engineers here >at Buckley radio, and we are very curious and sometimes proud that we >get to try out new stuff. > >In the meantime, we have been trying to answer all of everyone's >questions and show as many as we can how the "damn" thing works and >sounds in the real world. It's really that simple. > >I cannot believe how much some of you are reading into all of this... > >With more and more HD stations coming on line we need to keep our >minds in the real world and see how this new technology behaves and >how it will be accepted in the marketplace and where. This is what is >important. > >One of the best ideas I saw here recently was the combined use of C- >Quam and HD, that makes some sense, and could be done. This is a real >world situation, somebody will do, I know it will not be WOR for many >reasons, but somebody will try this. Then, we have something to talk >about. > >Keep in mind this (HD) is a new system that can deliver AM Stereo, >and that's why we are here. > >Simple, isn't it? > >Kerry Richards >Chief Engineer >WOR-AM >Buckley Broadcasting Corporation > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Mar 19 14:49:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Mar 2003 22:49:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 86601 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 22:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2003 22:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 22:49:10 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 21E1621D96F for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7659D1800DE for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030319173811.009eeec0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:44:29 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer In-Reply-To: References: <005001c2ee2b$02c27ce0$827dfea9@home1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you allow the public to go and see what you have to offer? If so then they'd be able to hear it from monitors and such. But still. My argument remains that this is not how they'll hear this signal at home on there IBOC receiver plugged in to there home entertainment system.. P.S. I have my stereo plugged threw the line-out on my Sound Card. I listened to the IBOC tests from your page using that. This is what I'd be using to listen to IBOC signal's anyway. And so I thought it fair that I at least do that much. Since you say that there's newer software coming out, perhaps there'll be a better sound quality, higher frequency response, and stereo broadcasting. I'll keep an open mind and listen to any new tests when/if you provide them. I'll do the same thing I did before buy listening to them on my stereo, just as I did these. Just as I do with all my cd's, vinyl, tapes, and analog FM/AM broadcasts. This is with headphones (DJ quality ones) buy the way. At 03:38 PM 3/19/03 +0000, you wrote: >This is exactly my point, and why you gotta be there to >experience "it". > >Thanks, Kerry..... > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: >> I'm definitely going to stick up for you on this one, Kerry, since >there >> were two other variables you didn't mention- the quality of the >sound cards >> and speakers one might be using on their computers. I know the >quality of >> sound cards is a big issue on the broadcasters' end, so why >wouldn't it be >> on the listeners' end? And even if they're reasonably good on both >counts, >> it isn't the same listening at one's computer desk as it is driving >down the >> freeway. I did hear my first HD signal a couple weeks ago- WCHB >out of >> Mich. I definitely heard the hash which sounded like I was >listening to a >> distant FM station. While it wasn't all that aggravating to listen >to, I'd >> still say I prefer current analog AM stereo, though I would have >been VERY >> interested to hear what the digital signal would sound like in >comparison. >> Too bad NYC is too far of a drive. I'd really like to see the WOR >> installation. >> >> Scott Todd >> > >> > You do not get the real world ability to see and hear any AM >Stereo >> > system be it C-Quam or HD, through any computer sample file. >> > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 19 19:45:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Mar 2003 03:45:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 88073 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 03:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2003 03:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 03:45:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2003 03:45:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:45:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030319173811.009eeec0@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1730 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics For the record, here is the web page which contains WOR's analog (5 kHz mono) and digital (IBOC mono) audio samples available for download: http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/Audio/ These are uncompressed 16-bit 44.1-kHz "stereo" WAV files -- the same exact format that compact discs use. Therefore, anybody with a CD burner can put these samples on a CD-R disc and play it through the same stereo system they normally use for radio and CD listening, thereby eliminating any possible quality limitations that playback through a computer's sound card might impose. However, before doing so it would be advisable to normalize all the WAV files to a common level (say, -1 dB or 90% of maximum level), because for some reason the analog samples were recorded several dB quieter than the digital samples, and the greater loudness of the digital samples would bias the comparison. Hopefully newer generations of the IBOC digital encoding will achieve a useful increase in frequency response. Just like analog AM has suffered from for decades, these preliminary AM IBOC digital samples suffer from a noticeably limited frequency response, with dull, muffled treble and little useful response above 9 kHz or so. Above that point, whatever audio content that exists is mostly just false harmonics that are created to give the illusion of greater high-end crispness and clarity, which in reality are very harsh and artificial-sounding -- similar to, but worse than, the type of sound provided by XM and Sirius satellite radio. This effect is also noticed on the AM IBOC audio sample provided on iBiquity's own web site, so it is not limited to whatever equipment WOR was using to make their audio samples. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed Mar 19 19:51:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Mar 2003 03:51:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 65675 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 03:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2003 03:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 03:51:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2003 03:51:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:51:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030319173811.009eeec0@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2104 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Same here John. I've listened to the samples in my home studio, on the computer that I do my audio and video editing on. Not exactly your average desktop computer set up and those that have heard it can confirm it's audio quality. Kerry, I love you man but let's get real.... First: You put up uncompressed .wav files on your site so we can hear the real quality of the IBOC audio. Then you say well you don't think that's a true representation. Second: The IBOC samples on your site are compared against AM audio samples that are band limited to 5 or 6 KHz. Whatever you guys are doing that destroys the audio quality. Anyway, it's an unfair comparision. Be honest and compare your IBOC against some good, full fidelity AM files. Third: When people started to say the sample IBOC files sounded bad then we were told the receiver was broken. Couldn't you guys hear this in the first place? And you put the audio files up anyway? What's with that? Forth: I've heard the files and the receiver at your site. Yep.... they both sound bad. I agree there's been a lot of B.S. on both sides of the argument and we probably will never agree eye to eye on this. And I understand that you guys have no interest in iBiquity and are very enthusiatic about this whole thing. I've also said time and time again that I give you guys a hell of a lot of credit for putting this on a 50 KW major market station. It's a cool experiment and I too hoped for something to help get the AM band back on it's feet. But let's be honest and objective about this thing. Right now it doesn't sound good. Maybe future versions will get better. We can only hope. But right now good analog on a decent receiver sounds better. I rather hear clean audio limited to 10 KHz then dirty audio trying to go 15KHz. I'm sorry I came off the ground here but I am tired and just had to get this out of my system. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John wrote: > P.S. I have my stereo plugged threw the line-out on my Sound Card. > I listened to the IBOC tests from your page using that. From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Mar 19 22:21:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Mar 2003 06:21:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 95995 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 06:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2003 06:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 06:21:49 -0000 Received: from michaelj (unverified [209.193.86.78]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:21:48 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c2eea9$99a36060$4e56c1d1@mshome.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:26:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I bet I can answer before Kerry does. I don't think the samples on their site were meant for COMPARISON. They are examples. They (WOR) put the files up on their site simply for the purpose of each person saying to themselves "IBOC, huh? Hmmm. I wonder what the hell it sounds like?" No one has radios yet, and this is a way for us to hear what it sounds like. That's all. I didn't see anything anywhere on the site saying that "Listen to this and you'll hear that IBOC is better than analog AM!" Listen to an audio file recorded from an analog wide-band receiver in C-quam at 10khz. THEN Listen to an audio file recorded from an IBOC receiver. Now THAT'S a comparison. Hmm....on the other hand they could argue: Let's say you have an analog wideband AM Stereo radio and a Visteon IBOC radio. You are standing near a power line. Listen to audio from both. NOW which one sounds better?? :) This is their point. Digital can get rid of powerline buzz. Analog can't. Then again....here's a question for the group. All the people spending all this money to build new expensive radios. Can't it be said here that without considering digital at all whatsoever, couldn't they be sinking all of this money into building new wide-band receivers and new c-quam exciters and get the same result? Would people buy it? Will people buy it? Honestly, like I said before.......take an AM radio that's wideband...out to about 7 khz or so and let someone listen to it. Put a "new!" or "digital" label on it (which WOULD be politically correct if there is a DSP chip like the "symphony" chip in it that is doing DSP "DIGITAL signal processing"). I think they would be just as impressed and think it's just as cool as if they were to listen to an IBOC station broadcasting in digital. You'd get the same comment. "Wow! That sounds good! I didn't know AM could sound that good!" Who knows what the future holds. We'll have to wait and see. I too have great admiration for these guys taking on an experiment like this and doing it on a 50kw station in the #1 market in the country. They got balls! Then again, if it works out, they also get the reward of saying "we were the first!". I don't think that it is such a disaster that they're losing any listeners over it. We know better than that. But then again, if it fails, then we'll be left to do something else with the AM band. Maybe then, they can get truly serious about AM features like "noise blanking", "wide bandwidth", and "am stereo" that really truly improve listening on the AM band. There are plenty of things over the years that have been noted as "fads" or "well it was tried, but it just didn't take off". IBOC could be one of them. (Insert "and so was c-quam" in blank right here). All we can do is hope that our FCC really gives a damn about what we, the public think. And that if we don't like it, we don't have to have it. I would hate to see this be another "shove it down our throats whether we like it or not" situation........such as digital cell phones and digital TV. The FCC is mandating DTV. Digital cell phones are not mandated by anyone, just the cellular companies that choose to shove them down our throats and don't care when we call them to say "you know, this digital really sucks. I want my analog back." I swear this was going to be a short message!! HONEST! Sorry about the length. Maybe I need sleep. Goodnight all. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: wa2fnq To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Second: The IBOC samples on your site are compared against AM audio samples that are band limited to 5 or 6 KHz. Whatever you guys are doing that destroys the audio quality. Anyway, it's an unfair comparision. Be honest and compare your IBOC against some good, full fidelity AM files. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 19 22:44:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Mar 2003 06:44:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 7102 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 06:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2003 06:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 06:44:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2003 06:44:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:44:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4193 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Third: When people started to say the sample IBOC files sounded bad > then we were told the receiver was broken. Couldn't you guys hear > this in the first place? And you put the audio files up anyway? > What's with that? Quoth the WOR web site, "the mono digital audio sounds really good", and it is "the future of AM radio". Now we're told that these audio samples should be disregarded because they were made from a "defective" receiver, and listening to a "web stream" [sic] isn't an accurate representation of what IBOC sounds like anyway? To Kerry and the rest of the WOR gang -- we don't mean to act like little Chihuahua dogs yapping at your heels. But we've been faced with a large contradiction here, and we just want to get down to the bottom line. If these audio samples on your web site aren't a valid representation of what IBOC's digital audio sounds like, they why do you offer them as such? And can you truly, honestly say that the audio in your IBOC samples "sounds really good", especially in comparison to the AMAX-quality analog AM audio that WOR had been broadcasting for years? Meanwhile, here's one Usenet message that I was able to find in the Google archives: From: Mark Howell (geezer@radio411.com) Subject: Re: Clear Channel says no to IBOC Newsgroups: rec.radio.broadcasting, alt.radio.broadcasting, alt.radio.digital Date: 2002-04-11 15:04:59 PST I attended the RTNDA convention held in conjunction with NAB this year, and I got to hear the Ibiquity demonstration at their booth. Note first of all that presumably, the demo was set up under ideal conditions. Ibiquity had an AM and an FM station in Las Vegas broadcasting IBOC digital. At the booth one was able to A/B the FM signals, but only the AM IBOC signal was available for listening. Why that was, will be obvious in a moment. Listening impressions: Both AM and FM digital signals are noticeably degraded from analog. The first thing I noticed in A-B'ing the analog and digital FM signals was that the digital signal had _no bass_. Other than that, at first listen (on Sony MDR-7506 headphones) the two were pretty close, but paying closer attention I noticed that something just seemed to be missing from the digital signal. As it should be--the compression is much heavier than the typical MP3 file. The AM is just a joke. The digital AM signal sounded like streaming audio on a dialup internet connection. Just horrible. Any decently-engineered analog AM signal sounds better, even on a narrowband receiver. The Ibiquity rep swore the AM digital signal was in stereo, but I'll be damned if I could hear any separation--and this is on headphones, mind you! The gross digital artifacts were _immediately_ noticeable. When I pointed out to the Ibiquity rep that this truly sounded wretched, he could only mumble something about "they're constantly working on improving the compression algorithm and the codec." The engineers are, of course, impressed with themselves that they got a compression algorithm that drastic to sound as good as it does. To be fair, it is quite a technical achievement. Never mind that it sounds like crap, the fact that it works is pretty amazing. But it reminds me of the Samuel Johnson saying about a dog walking on its hind legs. The marvel is not that it is done well, but that it is done at all. Looking at it from the point of view of Joe Sixpack, there is no point to it whatsoever. Many of the arguments made in favor of IBOC are marketing arguments, on the lines of "we have to be digital, because everything else is, and consumers expect it." But remember, the average listener thinks radio already IS digital. Their car radio dials show digits, don't they? How supposedly intelligent business people can think this is the salvation of radio is utterly beyond me. The AM IBOC system would be a horrible step backwards in audio fidelity. The FM digital signal is just a little worse than analog, but make no mistake, _it is worse_. The Clear Channel guy is absolutely right that this system would be the death knell for AM broadcasting in the U.S. The FM system is merely pointless. Mark Howell From ai4i@hotmail.com Wed Mar 19 23:03:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai4i@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Mar 2003 07:03:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 30773 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 07:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2003 07:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.198) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 07:03:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:03:46 -0800 Received: from 216.77.209.36 by DAV63.sea2.internal.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:03:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [ai4i@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Which System? Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:03:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2003 07:03:46.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9A6E970:01C2EEAE] From: "Joel Wilson" Reply-To: "Joel Wilson" X-Originating-IP: [216.77.209.36] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127893550 X-Yahoo-Profile: ai4ijoel Kahn. In the real world, separation and distortion level are secondary considerations with regard to AM radio reception. The ability to handle QRM & QRN are primary. How much of a station's mono coverage area can receive a good stereo signal? With Kahn, the answer is 100%. With the other systems, the figure is significantly less. Any C-QUAM station running asymmetric modulation into the receivers I owned (Sony multistandard, Clarion C-QUAM, Radio Shack C-QUAM) were right (or was it left?) shifted. Harris was OK until the FM L-R component fell below the "full quieting " level. Kahn's only annoying issue was that adjacent channel splatter would be heard on one side. I honestly don't believe I've heard any of the other systems. Joel Wilson Hello Taxi AI4I ========================================= Proud 2-B a pioneering satellite radio subscriber AI4I is always on the trailing edge of technology ========================================= > > Message: 19 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:49:24 -0800 (PST) > From: JNR > Subject: Favorite A.M. stereo transmission brand > > Which one is it? C-QUAM, Kahn, Harris, Magnavox, > RCA? My presonal preference is for Magnavox > because of the audio. From what I heard when a > sample of Magnavox was posted a couple of years > back, it sounded the best. > > 73, > Jay,N1WVQ From dav259@csiro.au Thu Mar 20 00:08:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Mar 2003 08:08:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 8637 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 08:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2003 08:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 08:08:22 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2K88L713229 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:08:21 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:08:21 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer In-Reply-To: <001501c2eea9$99a36060$4e56c1d1@mshome.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Michael J. Richard wrote: > Then again....here's a question for the group. All the people spending > all this money to build new expensive radios. Can't it be said here that > without considering digital at all whatsoever, couldn't they be sinking > all of this money into building new wide-band receivers and new c-quam > exciters and get the same result? Would people buy it? Will people buy > it? Of course they would! If people like the sound and the cost of course they'll buy it. It's a tragedy that so much money is being wasted on a system that's never been proven to work. There seems to be one BIG difference about the introduction of C-quam and IBOC. C-quam always worked. IBOC has never passed the testing stage. The international fault in the intro of C-quam was the FFC's "let the market decide" approach. The other AM stereo systems may have worked too - but the FCC should have mandated ONE system prior to its introduction. And the way the FCC has tacitly allowed the intro of IBOC is a copout to the industry and the listeners. The IBOC concept is brilliant for the listeners. Gradual change to digital without having to buy a pile of new radios. If if sounded almost as good as C-quam I'm sure most of us would support it so as to hear all our favourite AM stations in hi-fi stereo. The trouble seems to be it simply doesn't deliver. As Michael has said - give the listeners some really good widebamd receivers incorporating C-quam and Symphony - slap on a huge NEW DIGITAL AM-STEREO label - and the listeners would be so happy getting decent stereo sound at a decent price. Ian Melbourne From fanfare@globility.com Thu Mar 20 08:11:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Mar 2003 16:11:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 27636 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 16:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2003 16:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 16:11:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2003 16:11:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:11:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 959 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.234.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Third: When people started to say the sample IBOC files sounded bad > > then we were told the receiver was broken. Couldn't you guys hear > > this in the first place? And you put the audio files up anyway? > > What's with that? > > Quoth the WOR web site, "the mono digital audio sounds really good", > To Kerry and the rest of the WOR gang -- we don't mean to act like > little Chihuahua dogs yapping at your heels. But we've been faced > with a large contradiction here, and we just want to get down to I know what you're trying to accomplish here Kevin, but I think it would be more appropriate, if you're going to refer to the members of this forum as such, that you use "Taco Bell Mascot" or something a little less demeaning. Better still, perhaps you could rephrase using first person singular, instead of assuming plural. M.S. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 08:59:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Mar 2003 16:59:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 73105 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 16:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2003 16:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41007.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 16:59:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20030320165919.50717.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.41.230] by web41007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:59:19 PST Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:59:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which System? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio A while back there were audio clips of the different systems on either this board or the old board (I think this has been the 3rd board since I started looking at them 5 years ago). Magnavox sounded excellent. I haven't heard it on a licensed station, nor have I heard Kahn on-air. This makes: C-Quam: 1 Kahn: 1 Magnavox: 1 I'll have to check the older posts. 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 09:54:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Mar 2003 17:54:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 29495 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 17:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2003 17:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 17:54:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2003 17:54:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:54:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Future of Radio - "DIGALOG"? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2563 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Ian brings up all the correct points. There is no doubt that for the past two decades, "Digital" has been a hot buzz-word in the world of consumer electronics -- but it can just as easily be applied to digital reception of existing analog AM Stereo and FM Stereo signals, instead of jumping into the use of unproven and audibly inferior IBOC signals. (Or you could call it "Digalog", what they call analog cassette tapes made from digital audio masters.) Also, IBOC on FM will likely be a flop in any event. Regular FM is more than good enough for the vast majority of listeners. The sound quality is already as good as they could ever want, especially from stations that actually care about the type of audio processing they use... and when the signals get weak and hissy, listeners just hit the "Seek" button and find the next station on the dial playing the same type of music (which they do anyway when any station starts playing commercials). And frankly speaking, most people in the USA only listen to AM for news, talk, and sports, and for this, telephone-quality mono sound is "good enough", because the programming is the attraction, not the audio fidelity. People aren't going to listen to programming they don't like (like the medical quack infomercials that a certain NYC talk station with a three-letter call sign tends to run on the weekends) even if the reception is crystal clear and the audio quality is the best in the world. And for those listeners who *do* desire better reception and better audio quality from AM and FM radio, existing analog AM Stereo and FM Stereo are more than capable of delivering this, as long as the receivers live up to certain quality standards and make use of new technologies such as Digital Signal Processing (which Visteon, Blaupunkt and some other brands are already using). This will provide the best of both worlds -- the advantages of the latest digital technology, while retaining full compatibility with existing receivers and not subjecting listeners and stations to all the known negative effects of IBOC. The only problem is that this isn't the "glamorous" approach for broadcasters and equipment manufacturers who are looking for AM and FM to become "full digital", mostly so they can start to use it for wirele$$ data $ervice$ on the $ide. But if/when IBOC turns out to be a flop, on AM or FM or both, this will definitely be the "Plan B" that will become the next approach to revitalizing radio -- and it will be an approach that just might work. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 10:03:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Mar 2003 18:03:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 62654 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 18:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2003 18:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 18:03:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2003 18:03:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:03:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which System? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030320165919.50717.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1569 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > A while back there were audio clips of the > different systems on either this board or the old > board (I think this has been the 3rd board since > I started looking at them 5 years ago). Magnavox > sounded excellent. I haven't heard it on a > licensed station, nor have I heard Kahn on-air. > > This makes: > > C-Quam: 1 > Kahn: 1 > Magnavox: 1 > > I'll have to check the older posts. Yes, the moderator here did make a number of sample files in the Motorola, Kahn and Magnavox systems. If they're still available, I don't have their URLs handy at the moment. Since I'm on the west coast, I have never heard the Magnavox system over the air when I had my SRF-A100 (which I do miss), but I heard plenty of Kahn stations (KFRC, KNBR, KSL, CKLG (aka "LG73")), a few Harris station (Seattle's KOMO 1000 comes to mind, which I do know of samples online), and of course more than plenty C-QUAM stations. As far as I can recall, there were only 6 Magnavox AM-PM stations, all east of the Mississippi. Today, I know of only a couple people who have actually experimented with the Magnavox system, both are on this list. As for the Harris variable-phased AM/AM system (sorry, no FM component- The only AM stereo systems actually used that had FM or PM components were the RCA/Belar and Magnavox systems), I have not heard of anybody experimenting with it (except the moderator, who has a multi-mode AM stereo generator-- Something I can honestly say I wish I had). Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 10:14:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Mar 2003 18:14:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 73193 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 18:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2003 18:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 18:14:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2003 18:14:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:14:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Which System? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030320165919.50717.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Magnavox sounded excellent. I haven't heard it on a licensed > station, nor have I heard Kahn on-air. Here is one sample of Magnavox AM Stereo, as transmitted on a modified "Alfredo Lite" and received on a Sony SRF-A100: http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/demos/MAG-STRT.MP3 I did record more samples, but this is all I can find on the web right now. But thanks to my multi-system Panasonic AM Stereo generator, I can easily make more sample recordings of Magnavox and Kahn AM Stereo. I could do Harris too, but I believe the only receivers which properly decoded it were those by Sansui, and I don't have one. The Sony multi-system chip didn't incorporate the proper decoding methods for C-Quam and Harris and as a result has extra distortion when receiving these systems (especially Harris). Oh - and that sample of Magnavox AM Stereo was actually taken from a music video that was produced with Dolby Pro Logic Surround Sound. Due to the multiple encoding/decoding and transmission/reception stages, it might not go through a Dolby decoder with good results, but when listening in normal stereo it will be heard as a greater depth to the sound-stage. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 10:15:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Mar 2003 18:15:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 40505 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 18:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2003 18:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 18:15:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2003 18:15:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:15:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which System? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 357 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > plenty of Kahn stations (KFRC, KNBR, KSL, CKLG (aka "LG73")), a few Oh, yes- I can't forget Kahn's own XETRA, before they went to sportstalk mono, and a Sasn Francisco classical station up around 1500 or so, whose calls I don't recall- They were also Kahn. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From krichards@wor710.com Thu Mar 20 10:43:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Mar 2003 18:43:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 86297 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 18:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2003 18:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 18:43:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2003 18:43:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:43:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC audio: in person vs. via computer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.161.63 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 > Quoth the WOR web site, "the mono digital audio sounds really good", > and it is "the future of AM radio". > -- we don't mean to act like > little Chihuahua dogs yapping at your heels. But we've been faced > with a large contradiction here, and we just want to get down to you offer them as such? And can you truly, honestly say that the > > > Meanwhile, here's one Usenet message that I was able to find in the > Google archives: > Kevin, You again are reading way too much into any of this, our samples were for everyone to hear what the state of the art was at the time they were made. They are, nor ever, intended to be "Audiophile" samples that you think they are, for critical reviewers like yourself. There is no contradiction as you think, you just make way too much out of it, you also seem to have the habit of taking everything so literal, that it gives no leeway whatsoever. I've explained this issue numerous times here. We are curious how IBOC and HD behave just like yourself, but we know we do not have the final and actual version yet. This is only a test. You on the other hand like to post all kinds of audio samples here, we are not exactly into that scene, and are not as experienced at this as you are. No B.S. here, it's just we do not post a lot of audio, like yourself, and our stream for our listeners is not the best quality nor is it stereo. As for the comments from the IBOC reviewer you posted, they are at least 5 software versions ago, and just like you, he is entitled to his opinion. Since his comments are almost a year old, I would not put too much weight in them. We have a new software version coming from Ibiquity next week, I'll let you guys know when I get it in, so you can come over and hear it. We will run some stereo through it, Ibiquity says it sounds good. Plus, they have told me I can keep our current audio bandwidth, and still run in the enhanced "carrier" mode, GOOD News! Also there is now a hardware upgrade we need to make to the Exciter. Things in IBOC land seem to be advancing. Stay tuned for details. I'll talk to Tom about getting some better audio samples for you, but I started the Studio rebuild, and he is up to his neck, so it may take some time. Please be patient with us. You might try asking Ibiquity for recent samples, if you are so curious. Thanks, Kerry........ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 10:54:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Mar 2003 18:54:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 23252 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 18:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2003 18:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 18:54:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2003 18:54:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:54:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Which System? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 924 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > I could do Harris too, but I believe the only receivers which properly > decoded it were those by Sansui, and I don't have one. The Sony > multi-system chip didn't incorporate the proper decoding methods for > C-Quam and Harris and as a result has extra distortion when receiving > these systems (especially Harris). You could always try building a Harris decoder like the one from the Prentiss book. http://www.amstereo.audio- stream.net/amstereo/files/temp/pagescans/harris/harris1.gif http://www.amstereo.audio- stream.net/amstereo/files/temp/pagescans/harris/harris2.gif http://www.amstereo.audio- stream.net/amstereo/files/temp/pagescans/harris/harris3.gif http://www.amstereo.audio- stream.net/amstereo/files/temp/pagescans/harris/harris4.gif (Yahoo!'s editor really doesn't handle URLs very well.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Mar 20 12:34:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Mar 2003 20:34:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 9163 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 20:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2003 20:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 20:34:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2003 20:34:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 20:34:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Which System? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 941 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.56 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 > wrote: >=20 > =3Dsnip=3D >=20 > > I could do Harris too, but I believe the only receivers which=20 > properly=20 > > decoded it were those by Sansui, and I don't have one. The Sony=20 > > multi-system chip didn't incorporate the proper decoding methods=20 > for=20 > > C-Quam and Harris and as a result has extra distortion when=20 > receiving=20 > > these systems (especially Harris). >=20 > You could always try building a Harris decoder like the one from the=20 > Prentiss book. >=20 I have much simpler solution to get the MC13020 to do fixed 90=B0 Harris (QuAM) decoding. It only requires 4 components. You can also use a DPST switch to disconnect the capacitors from Pins 2 & 5 for a C-QuAM/Harris(QuAM) mode radio. I posted in awile back at: http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/13020-CrackleFix.gif JSG From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Mar 20 15:47:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Mar 2003 23:47:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 82768 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 23:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2003 23:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 23:47:25 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.5]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:47:25 -0700 To: Subject: FTP site Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:47:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay gang...some important stuff here. First of all, I'm pissed. I can only be pissed at myself. I should have known better than to leave the FTP site wide open to any kind of anonymous access and every user being able to alter and change the folder structure and stuff. I noticed all of this after I my ISP and I got together today to add some more modems, and we had to change the IP address of this server. By the way, it is now 209.193.77.58 . I hadn't been to the site or logged onto that server in quite a little while. I was greeted with the two usual folders and an additional one labeled { . Inside of { were a ton of sub-folders and a ton of stuff eating up that hard drive. I guess this person didn't realize that this is an OLD server.....vintage 1997 Compaq that is something like a Pentium 166 dual processor server with only maybe a 2 gig drive. I guess this person decided he'd use our server for storage space for a bunch of rips or something. Anyways, I was stupid to leave the server THIS vulnerable, and my ISP wasn't happy about it either, even though they've basically "given" the server to me because it's too old to do anything else with. Meanwhile the SOB must have run out of disk space so he proceeded to delete many of the folders that had our AM Stereo audio files in them. Some are still there, others are missing. It is either that, or somebody from the old list decided that "they" had provided the files in the first place on the old NRC ftp site and that if he couldn't get credit for them, we couldn't have them and he deleted them. In any case, I have no clue where they went but they're gone. I still have my CD that was a mirror of the old site and I can replace what was there when I originally set it up. Everything uploaded after that may or may not be there now and will have to be put back. I'm sorry, but I'm having to lock it down. For all of us here on the list, you will need to actually use a username and password to log in. And you'll only have READ access. I created an "uploads" folder where you'll be able to upload stuff. You can even create a new folder there and put your upload in it, then I'll move the folder into the USA folder or whatever. Email me, and I will place it wherever you want me to and if you have suggestions for folder restructuring and stuff like that, I will gladly accept them and take care of it. I am sorry about this, but I have to do it. Leaving everything wide open so that anyone could do anything with the site did NOT work and I'm not going to take the risk again. No telling what kind of viruses were sitting there and so forth. Stupid move on my part. For now anyone can get to the site. Just set your FTP program, or Internet Explorer to go to ftp://209.193.77.58. Under the FILE menu in Internet Explorer, you can choose "LOGIN AS" and it'll let ya give it a username and password to use. That username is "amstereo" and the password is "stereoam". For users of FTP programs like CuteFTP or WSftp or whatever, you can set up to use a username very easily instead of anonymous. Let me know if you need help. Again, I apologize for the lockdown, but we had people in there that we didn't want and lost some really nice stuff. Please post to the list here or email me directly if there are any problems. My internet provider is Visionary Communications. There home domain is vcn.com. So I am thinking of asking the head geek to set up "amstereo.vcn.com" to point directly there. Then it'd be a little easier for folks to put ftp://amstereo.vcn.com instead of having to remember an IP address. What do y'all think of that? Thanks Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Mar 20 21:41:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 05:41:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 35929 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 05:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 05:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 05:41:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2003 05:41:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 05:41:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FTP site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1233 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.154 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Okay gang...some important stuff here. First of all, I'm pissed. I can > only be pissed at myself. I should have known better than to leave the FTP > site wide open to any kind of anonymous access and every user being able to > alter and change the folder structure and stuff. I noticed all of this > after I my ISP and I got together today to add some more modems, and we had > to change the IP address of this server. By the way, it is now > 209.193.77.58 . I hadn't been to the site or logged onto that server in When I uploaded a sample of my decoder I built noticed that the sample of WBAP I did had been deleted. Later when I went to get those scanned pages of the RCA stuff my sample of my decoder had dissapeared. On the chance that whoever did this may be monitoring this list, I would recomend posting the link to the site and the username and a newer password in the comment field of the bookmark area. This area is only accessable to members who have logged in while everyone can access the message area. If you still have problems the last resort is to give each person their individual username and password via email. JSG From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Mar 20 21:50:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 05:50:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 12271 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 05:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 05:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (207.169.189.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 05:50:48 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy.eds.com [192.85.216.78]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h2L05jU13350 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:05:45 +1100 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2L05gC10709 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:05:42 +1100 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2L05fG10696 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:05:41 +1100 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:04:50 +1100 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF238D804@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} FTP site Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:05:38 +1100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Michael, Sorry to hear about the corruption of the FTP site. I have pointed ftp.amstereoradio.com to your FTP server - this should propagate in a few hours. This should make it easier for us all to access the site! Thanks for all your efforts! Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Richard [mailto:michaelj@vcn.com] Sent: Friday, 21 March 2003 9:47 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} FTP site Okay gang...some important stuff here. First of all, I'm pissed. I can only be pissed at myself. I should have known better than to leave the FTP site wide open to any kind of anonymous access and every user being able to alter and change the folder structure and stuff. I noticed all of this after I my ISP and I got together today to add some more modems, and we had to change the IP address of this server. By the way, it is now 209.193.77.58 . I hadn't been to the site or logged onto that server in From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 23:03:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 07:03:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 18143 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 07:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 07:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 07:03:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2003 07:03:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 07:03:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FTP site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1197 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Unsecured FTP sites can easily become targets for "warez" groups who are looking for places to store huge amounts of files such as MP3s, images, programs, and, most popularly, "rips" of DVDs, Video CDs, and video game CD-ROMs, which can easily take up several hundred megabytes of space. Once these people find an open-access FTP site they will keep using it until it runs out of hard drive space or until its owner finds out about this and changes it to limited- access, which you just did. I noticed that the Europe and Asia directories of AM Stereo MP3s had disappeared from the site, probably by these "warez" people who were looking around for things to delete to make room for their garbage. I have most of the files that were in these directories on my own computer, but with a "56K" modem that doesn't like to upload things any faster than 20 kbps, it would take too long for me to re-upload all the files by myself. However, most of them are duplicated on the following site: http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/ams.php The interface is a little slow and klutzy, however, and the "Click here to upload a file" link doesn't seem to work all the time. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 23:07:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 07:07:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 89634 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 07:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 07:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 07:07:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2003 07:07:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 07:07:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FTP site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 656 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > I have most of the files that were in these directories on my own > computer, but with a "56K" modem that doesn't like to upload things > any faster than 20 kbps, it would take too long for me to re-upload > all the files by myself. However, most of them are duplicated on the > following site: > > http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/ams.php > > The interface is a little slow and klutzy, however, and the "Click > here to upload a file" link doesn't seem to work all the time. Or just fo to ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 02:13:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 10:13:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 2285 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 10:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 10:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 10:13:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2003 10:13:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:13:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FTP site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 362 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Or just fo to ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/ For some reason, that works for me at work, but not at home (it says "Could not login to FTP server"). Perhaps this site has issues with certain ISPs? (At home I use CompuServe "Classic".) I use "WS_FTP" as my FTP program in both cases and usually have no trouble logging into other anonymous FTP sites. From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Mar 21 06:49:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 14:49:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 87476 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 14:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 14:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 14:49:00 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 07:48:59 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01c2efb9$00fd8c80$0701010a@keva> To: References: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF238D804@aubwm206> Subject: Re: {AMSF} FTP site Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 07:48:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt Fantastic idea! I was trying to figure out how to do that. I don't know why I thought that it would be harder than this. When I first set it up, I was hoping we could make it "our" official FTP site and it could be part of the amstereoradio.com domain. Just wasn't sure how to do it. Thanks! Wonderful idea! I hope it's not costing you any extra money, you being the registrar of the amstereoradio.com name. That'll make it a lot easier to put a link on the web site. Names are better than IP addresses any day! I'm thinking of restructuring things a little more at the site. I think we should have a folder labeled "literature" or "circuit diagrams" or something like that.......use that folder for all the different circuit designs and schematics and literature that folks have gone through a lot of time to upload for everyone's use (thanks JSG and Amy!) and also have "air checks"...THEN the sub-folder of "Air checks" being "stations" and then from there....."usa, europe, australia" and so forth. Now that I cleared all of that BS stuff out of there, the machine is back to having I think about a gig and a half of free space. It WAS indeed full when I got there. I think Kevin T hit the nail right on the head. It was somebody doing a bunch of Warez crap. Yesterday, through my ISP, we got a T1 installed up here at the radio station. I did most of the configuration and hook up for it. The VP of the company (and also the head tech) and I were talking about it and he said he thought that now that we had a T1 here at the station, I could take the old server and move it up here. He said it would be even more secure because it would be behind our firewall up here. He said you can still do things like audio feeds and FTP site and so forth.....they just have to be mapped through the firewall to a particular port. He said he'd be happy to help me configure it. He's a little worried about that old server being wide open to the world the way it is. So that's another project added to my list of to-do's. It will also make it a lot easier to do internet broadcasts and stuff......the server is here, not in a basement downtown. Anyhow....just letting you all know what's going on. I promise I'll keep up better on maintaining the FTP site. I have to so that we can have the convenience of having all of our valuable iles safe and sound and available for everyone's enjoyment. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Trim, Matthew L To: 'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com' Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} FTP site G'day Michael, Sorry to hear about the corruption of the FTP site. I have pointed ftp.amstereoradio.com to your FTP server - this should propagate in a few hours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 07:43:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 15:43:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 97135 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 15:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 15:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 15:43:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2003 15:43:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:43:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FTP site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c2efb9$00fd8c80$0701010a@keva> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1078 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > and also have "air checks"...THEN the sub-folder of "Air checks" > being "stations" and then from there....."usa, europe, australia" > and so forth. Just one suggestion... I would prefer it if the AM Stereo recordings are not buried too deep into multiple sub-folders because when offering a link to a certain file here, if the total length is longer than about 70 characters Yahoo will wrap it onto multiple lines. Therefore: ftp://209.193.77.58/usa/nc/wgai2003.mp3 is more convenient to use than: ftp://209.193.77.58/AirChecks/Stations/NorthAmerica/USA/NorthCarolina/ wgai2003.mp3 And I think the MP3 files are going to be the main attraction of the FTP site anyway, so that's another reason to keep them easily accessible. However, for either of these two ficticious URLs to work, Anonymous FTP access would need to be enabled, at least on a strictly read-only basis (to prevent the "warez" mess that happened the first time around). Right now the site requires a username/password login which doesn't allow this kind of "one-click" access to the files. From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Mar 21 07:59:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 15:59:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 2398 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 15:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 15:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 15:59:40 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:59:40 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c2efc2$e0140ee0$0701010a@keva> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FTP site Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:59:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I appreciate the suggestion Kevin. And I'll consider that. I know what you are saying. I agree that it is nice to be able to click the link and immediately get the file. I still feel that if we have anonymous access, it would still be possible for some dumb ass warez ripper to go right into the uploads folder and fill up the hard drive with his warez crap. I may go ahead and re-enable the anonymous account with read-only access (except for the uploads folder of course). How's this? I can set the "uploads" folder one level above the regular root folder that "anonymous" users can get to. Then you'd have to log in with the "amstereo" and "stereoam" username and password to be able to UPLOAD anything, but you could still get there anonymously to download anything you want. That could work. I think it'd be worth the person's trouble to use a username and password if they're going to upload anything, yet you'd still be able to look and download anything ya want anonymously. Is this a workable solution? Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 8:43 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: FTP site > and also have "air checks"...THEN the sub-folder of "Air checks" > being "stations" and then from there....."usa, europe, australia" > and so forth. Just one suggestion... I would prefer it if the AM Stereo recordings are not buried too deep into multiple sub-folders because when offering a link to a certain file here, if the total length is longer than about 70 characters Yahoo will wrap it [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Mar 21 08:22:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 16:22:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 6012 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 16:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 16:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 16:21:31 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:21:30 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c2efc5$ed465340$0701010a@keva> To: References: <000901c2efc2$e0140ee0$0701010a@keva> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FTP site Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:21:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okies.....all set. As per popular request (Kev T) I took the "airchecks" folder out, and the "usa" folder is in the root....as is the pacific folder and so on. Meanwhile....anonymous access is enabled again, but with READ ONLY privelages. Anyone can get in anonymously now, and you can actually SEE the "uploads" folder. You just can't write to it. Meanwhile, if you log in using the "amstereo" and "stereoam" username and password, it gives you WRITE access to the uploads folder. I think this'll work well. I'm hoping there aren't hackers that have figured out how to hack past anonymous read-only access. Otherwise I really really like this "Serv-U" FTP program. It is really nice and easy to use! I'm really a little more excited now that this site is going to be more or less the "official" FTP site of the amstereoradio.com site :) Thanks again Matt! Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Mar 21 08:48:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 16:48:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 57704 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 16:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 16:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 16:48:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2003 16:48:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:48:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FTP site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 816 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > However, for either of these two ficticious URLs to work, Anonymous > FTP access would need to be enabled, at least on a strictly > read-only basis (to prevent the "warez" mess that happened the first > time around). Right now the site requires a username/password login > which doesn't allow this kind of "one-click" access to the files. Actually the username and password can be embedded in the "URL", I used to do this all the time and it worked just fine, at least with Netscape, I don't know if MS_IE allows it. Unfortunately it has been several years since I have used this feature, and I no longer remember the syntax. You can also include only the username in the "URL", and it will prompt for the password. John From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 21 08:57:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 16:57:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 30043 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 16:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 16:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 16:57:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2003 16:55:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:55:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FTP site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c2efc2$e0140ee0$0701010a@keva> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1955 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: As I mentioned earlier. I recomend using a password not so obvious relating to the login name such as 'stereoam'. And only publish it in the bookmark section where it is accessable only to logged in members. This may not be enough protection though as the FTP protocol passes the username and password in plain text and anyone with a packet sniffer can capture it. FTP is notoriously insecure and is why many ISPs don't run it. I run a Linux group at HAL-PC and these young kids are really bright and I have been shown stuff that makes protocols like TELNET and FTP risky to run. Even some versions of SSH, an encrypted protocol, has issues with man in the middle attacks. If we get hacked again I would suggest only using FTP to upload and move the files under a different directory tree and serve them out via HTTP. JSG > I appreciate the suggestion Kevin. And I'll consider that. I know what you are saying. I agree that it is nice to be able to click the link and immediately get the file. I still feel that if we have anonymous access, it would still be possible for some dumb ass warez ripper to go right into the uploads folder and fill up the hard drive with his warez crap. I may go ahead and re-enable the anonymous account with read-only access (except for the uploads folder of course). How's this? I can set the "uploads" folder one level above the regular root folder that "anonymous" users can get to. Then you'd have to log in with the "amstereo" and "stereoam" username and password to be able to UPLOAD anything, but you could still get there anonymously to download anything you want. That could work. I think it'd be worth the person's trouble to use a username and password if they're going to upload anything, yet you'd still be able to look and download anything ya want anonymously. Is this a workable solution? > > Michael > From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 09:26:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 17:26:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 87789 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 17:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 17:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 17:26:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2003 17:26:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:26:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FTP site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 675 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: =snip= > Actually the username and password can be embedded in the "URL", I > used to do this all the time and it worked just fine, at least with > Netscape, I don't know if MS_IE allows it. Unfortunately it has been > several years since I have used this feature, and I no longer remember > the syntax. You can also include only the username in the "URL", and > it will prompt for the password. It's "ftp://username:password@ftpsite.com", or, for the sake of Yahoo!, here, "ftp://username:password @ ftpsite.com". IE is compliant to most of the HTML specs, for whatever it's worth. Amy. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 09:31:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 17:31:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 77298 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 17:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 17:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 17:31:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2003 17:31:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:31:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FTP site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 684 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Or just fo to ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/ > > For some reason, that works for me at work, but not at home (it says > "Could not login to FTP server"). Perhaps this site has issues with > certain ISPs? (At home I use CompuServe "Classic".) I use "WS_FTP" > as my FTP program in both cases and usually have no trouble logging > into other anonymous FTP sites. I believe some addresses are blocked due to troublemaking that occured in the IAAAS/post-IAAAS days. Also, the server is only read-only, except for the uploads directory. The admin is very security conscious. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 10:33:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 18:33:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 75952 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 18:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 18:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 18:33:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2003 18:33:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 18:33:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3374 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics There's a new article on www.radioworld.com.... http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/iboc/01_rw_hd_status.shtml ...and the following section shown below, talking about nighttime use of IBOC, now makes it more clear than ever that a "We gotta make this thing work, no matter what!" type of mentality is at play, to the point where the IBOC proponents are making statements like: "Part of the problem facing the engineers studying the skywave issue, sources said, is that analog signals sound so bad on skywave, it's hard to tell the difference once a digital signal is added." Methinks something is wrong when professional engineers "can't tell the difference" of the hash that a skywave IBOC signal creates, while listeners 2000 miles away could hear it on their radios! Here's the relevant part of the article: ===================== While the FCC has outlined how stations may go digital initially, it authorized AMs to do so only in the daytime, on the advice of the NRSC, which has said that not enough is known about the potential for interference with neighboring stations, especially those transmitting on skywaves at night. Ibiquity had completed additional AM nighttime tests requested by the NRSC in December using WLW in Cincinnati and WOR in New York. The tests were designed to test the impact of AM HD Radio on analog skywave and groundwave signals. Ibiquity hoped to have its report to an ad-hoc committee of the NAB by the time the convention takes place. "We put the facts on the table, and the industry makes its decision," said Glynn Walden, Ibiquity vice president of broadcast engineering. In reply to detractors who worry about interference, Ibiquity has said tradeoffs will be required, a point both Ibiquity and the NRSC have emphasized for at least two years. Part of the problem facing the engineers studying the skywave issue, sources said, is that analog signals sound so bad on skywave, it's hard to tell the difference once a digital signal is added. Another question to be decided is whether protecting listeners outside a station's contours even matters. Ibiquity and the FCC seem to be focused on protecting a station's signal within its contours, sources said. Presumably the determining factor in whether interference beyond the contour matters is whether a station attracts sufficient listeners to interest advertisers. Engineers commenting to the FCC about DAB authorization differ on these points. Glen Clark, for example, has said about 80 percent of AMs could go digital now; while long-time AM stereo advocate Leonard Kahn has taken the position that the technology needs to be studied further. Kahn has urged the commission to stay the initial authorization that allows stations to go digital. Members of the NRSC, meanwhile, have shifted their focus from system testing to standards-setting to help make recommendations to the FCC for final DAB authorizing rules, expected later this year. While the commission initially authorized all stations using the HD Radio technology to use their existing antennas, NAB has formed a committee to study other antenna configurations that may help stations save money when implementing the digital technology. The so- called "dual antenna" testing is progressing and will be discussed as part of the Broadcast Engineering Conference. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 10:52:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 18:52:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 29465 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 18:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 18:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 18:52:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2003 18:52:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 18:52:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FTP site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1402 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It's "ftp://username:password@f...", or, for the sake of > Yahoo!, here, "ftp://username:password @ ftpsite.com". Or you can omit the ":password" part and a pop-up window will ask you for the password. > IE is compliant to most of the HTML specs, for whatever it's worth. ...mostly because Microsoft has basically taken it upon themselves to write their own standards for HTML and JavaScript. As a result, the other browsers have been playing catch-up in order to become more compatible with today's Microsoft-ized internet. If you know the tricks, you can still get around okay with older non-IE browers, but there are some web sites which are just so complex and so poorly written that they will cause Netscape 4.x to take *minutes* to figure everything out and render the site on your screen, even on relatively fast CPUs. The one good alternative, however, is "Opera", especially in the new Version 7. For better or worse, it now looks and acts a lot like IE, except it's much smaller (my copy takes up just over 3 MB of disk space, compared to 50+ MB for IE), much faster, and is not beholden to a corporate and technological monopoly. Check it out: http://www.opera.com/ I guess you could say Opera is to IE as Linux is to Windows -- and yes, there is a Linux version of it available, as well as versions for MacOS, OS/2, BeOS, FreeBSD, QNX, Solaris, and Symbian OS. From krichards@wor710.com Fri Mar 21 13:24:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 21:24:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 53508 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 21:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 21:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 21:24:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2003 21:24:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 21:24:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2776 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.162.179 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > There's a new article on www.radioworld.com.... > The posted article is a pretty fair and accurate report of the current state of IBOC affairs. This skywave issue is what Glen Clark and Ibiquity have been testing, it has to do with the D/U ratios currently in effect, and the D/U ratios that were collected in the actual tests, some of which WOR participated in, as well as the predicted D/U ratios which is another matter entirely. How much interference should WOR accept from WGN or WLW? Likewise how much interference at night should WGN and or WLW accept from WOR? The D/U (desired/undesired) ratios are not always predictable, because we all know how skywaves can and do behave. What about Critical Hours? This issue although looks serious on paper, in practice, it has not been as serious as everybody thought. It is a problem for closely spaced stations, common sense dictates that. Clearly we need more data on the problems with nightime use of IBOC on the AM band. This is why HD by day and C-Quam by night seems very practical under the current rules. Other than the D/U ratios, Glen Clark's filings propose several other factors to determine if IBOC at night can work in a particular location. It looks like a good plan, but the industry has not fully embraced this plan. As evidenced the report that Kevin has posted here. The separate antenna issue mentioned has to do with FM IBOC, where many FM broadcasters who would have to waste kilowatts of RF in a combiner to implement IBOC for FM, would rather hang another antenna just for the IBOC carriers. For some FM IBOC'ers this is an easy way to get HD in operation, since the digital carriers operate at such a low power, it is a much less expensive way to implement IBOC. Keep in mind with this system you do not have to replace your currently in use FM transmitter either. This opens a whole other can of worms. Where tower space is at a premium, you do not have to hang a new antenna, just a small hoop for IBOC use with separate RF amp (usually much smaller than the main TX). No expensive combiner or new antenna needed. Sounds easy doesn't it? Problems with this system are possible interference, tower shadowing and blanketing, and again there is not enough data in yet on whether this will work properly. Of course research on this is ongoing, but, you can well imagine the antenna companies prefer the single approach because they sell a whole new antenna, and a combiner of some kind. Another issue for FM'ers is whether the extra IBOC hoop will cover the same area with the digital carriers as the main antenna. FM guys have a few issues with IBOC just like us AM'ers. Kerry... From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Mar 21 15:31:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Mar 2003 23:31:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 61040 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 23:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2003 23:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 23:31:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2003 23:31:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 23:31:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1658 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.156 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > There's a new article on www.radioworld.com.... > > http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/iboc/01_rw_hd_status.shtml > > ...and the following section shown below, talking about nighttime > use of IBOC, now makes it more clear than ever that a "We gotta make > this thing work, no matter what!" type of mentality is at play, I didn't see where it was saying that? > to the > point where the IBOC proponents are making statements like: "Part of > the problem facing the engineers studying the skywave issue, sources > said, is that analog signals sound so bad on skywave, it's hard to > tell the difference once a digital signal is added." Methinks > something is wrong when professional engineers "can't tell the > difference" of the hash that a skywave IBOC signal creates, while > listeners 2000 miles away could hear it on their radios! Methinks that professional engineers are simply being realistic about the quality of skywave reception. These days the only ones who find skywave listening to be of any use are the DXers, a vanishingly small proportion of the total radio audience. If it is decided to continue forward with IBOC, I think the way the FCC should resolve the nighttime problem with AM is to prohibit the use of IBOC's hybrid mode at night, and give individual stations the option of using either analog, or IBOC's full digital mode at night, and switching between the analog and the full digital modes as they see fit. The full digital mode should create considerably less interference than the hybrid mode currently in use. John From powell@conterra.com Fri Mar 21 16:41:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Mar 2003 00:41:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 15758 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 00:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2003 00:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-gateway.matrixconsulting.net) (66.112.200.203) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 00:41:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 32748 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 00:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx.matrixconsulting.net) (65.199.24.6) by mx-gateway.matrixconsulting.net with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 00:41:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 12002 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 00:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bsae-skqpk3w8p5) (66.112.193.105) by mx.matrixconsulting.net with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 00:40:54 -0000 Organization: BEARly Organized To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:40:53 -0500 Subject: FFT! Message-ID: <3E7B6AC5.23965.CD4D40@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1048263230.380.88725.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: powell@conterra.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW On 21 Mar 2003 at 16:13, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > -- we don't mean to act like > > little Chihuahua dogs yapping at your heels.> Be careful Kevin, JK ( Julia the Kitty) might get mad. Kerry, I have yet to get anywhere with the grown up feral twin of your kitty. I expect amymousie is hiding under the nest !! AH uh, one of the Ray Charles singers RR tapes ( Command ) has a song called I'm over here, sung about a relationship...but sung in terms about hifi audio.....very funny! Powell From krichards@wor710.com Fri Mar 21 16:46:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Mar 2003 00:46:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 20160 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 00:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2003 00:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 00:46:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2003 00:46:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 00:46:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1083 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 66.47.86.250 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 > If it is decided to continue forward with IBOC, I think the way the > FCC should resolve the nighttime problem with AM is to prohibit the > use of IBOC's hybrid mode at night, and give individual stations the > option of using either analog, or IBOC's full digital mode at night, > and switching between the analog and the full digital modes as they > see fit. The full digital mode should create considerably less > interference than the hybrid mode currently in use. > > John John, This will not be a practical solution until there is a major proliferation of the HD Radios.....years and years away. The full digital mode does create less interference, but nobody can hear it yet. I think IBOC stations can operate at night with 2/3 digital carriers, or C-Quam. This is a sensible solution for most, but there will still be some stations that can never operate in IBOC mode at all. The process no matter how you look at it, will change the face of AM Radio as we now know it. AND, it ain't gonna be easy for some nor benefit all. Regards, Kerry......... From krichards@wor710.com Fri Mar 21 17:25:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Mar 2003 01:25:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 38098 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 01:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2003 01:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 01:25:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2003 01:25:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 01:25:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FFT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E7B6AC5.23965.CD4D40@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 712 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 66.47.86.250 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > On 21 Mar 2003 at 16:13, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > -- we don't mean to act like > > > little Chihuahua dogs yapping at your heels.> > > > Be careful Kevin, JK ( Julia the Kitty) might get mad. > > Kerry, I have yet to get anywhere with the grown up feral twin of > your kitty. I expect amymousie is hiding under the nest !! > > > AH uh, one of the Ray Charles singers RR tapes ( Command ) has a song > called I'm over here, sung about a relationship...but sung in terms > about hifi audio.....very funny! > > > Powell Hope this helps: MEOW MEOW MEOW!!!! Kerry.....(Jesse, and Tugboat) From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 21 17:40:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Mar 2003 01:40:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 40500 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 01:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2003 01:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 01:40:41 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-141.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.141]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h2M1ebhp010445 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:40:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001e01c2f014$8d21a600$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF238D804@aubwm206> <001c01c2efb9$00fd8c80$0701010a@keva> Subject: Re: {AMSF} FTP site Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:44:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Great idea. I would suggest subcatagories for the circuits- transmitting and receiving. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" > I'm thinking of restructuring things a little more at the site. I think we should have a folder labeled "literature" or "circuit diagrams" or something like that.......use that folder for all the different circuit designs and schematics and literature that folks have gone through a lot of time to upload for everyone's use (thanks JSG and Amy!) and also have "air checks"...THEN the sub-folder of "Air checks" being "stations" and then from there....."usa, europe, australia" and so forth. Now that I cleared all of that BS stuff out of there, the machine is back to having I think about a gig and a half of free space. It WAS indeed full when I got there. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 21:38:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Mar 2003 05:38:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 24231 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 05:38:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2003 05:38:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 05:38:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2003 05:38:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 05:38:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3424 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It cannot be denied that IBOC is an *inherently flawed* system because it can't be equally applied 24 hours a day in all cases -- including the skywave DX coverage that nobody seems to care about anymore. Analog AM Stereo doesn't have this problem; yes, so-called "platform motion" has been a constant issue, but that is mostly a receiver- based phenomenon which can and has been mitigated by improvements in receiver design, and in any event, you can always revert to mono reception and the problem is solved -- but you can't just push a button on a receiver to eliminate IBOC "hash". And as much as they test IBOC at night on the big 50,000 watt clear channel stations like WOR and WLW, that does absolutely nothing to demonstrate what would happen if a large number of "graveyard channel" stations were allowed to use IBOC at night. On these extremely crowded frequencies, with well over a hundred stations broadcasting on the same frequencies across the country, the problem is with the *collective* effect of many skywave signals coming in simultaneously, causing the "many people talking in a crowded room" effect on virtually every channel from 1230 to 1490 kHz at night, except for whatever local stations that can break through the noise floor in your area. An there is absolutely NO way to deny the fact that widespread use of IBOC on these stations will cause a drastic increase in this noise floor! As-is, many of these stations already struggle to put out 10 or 15 miles' worth of local coverage radius at night, especially during years when the sun-spot cycle is high. How much more will this be reduced if they all start using IBOC at night? And what exactly is the attraction of transmitting a digital signal if only people within 4 or 5 miles of your transmitter can make any use of it? With today's better receiver and transmitter designs, use of C-Quam AM Stereo can only benefit these smaller stations; if you're lucky enough to live or drive where the signal is good, you're treated to Stereo sound with good fidelity, and if the signal is marginal, you at least get intelligible mono audio. And the transmission of C-Quam itself doesn't cause these stations any additional collective interference to each other, day or night. And when you really think about it, only allowing certain stations to use IBOC at night just isn't fair, and is a form of discrimination. The entire reason why hybrid IBOC exists is to have the goal that in some point in the future, these stations will switch to all-digital transmissions, and "legacy" analog AM will be gone. But what about all these smaller stations? Will they be left behind in an analog ghost town after everybody else has switched to digital? Or will they just be forced to go off the air entirely? Kerry is correct. In the form it current exists, widespread use of IBOC *will* cause a major change in the world of AM radio. But hopefully clear minds will prevail long before that point, so we won't be beholden to an inherently flawed system; either we'll have to wait and see if IBOC can be improved to the point where these flaws are eliminated or at least minimized, or we'll have to investigate other alternatives, such as continued use of analog broadcasts, with the digital technology going where it belongs -- into *receiver* designs, such as from Visteon, Blaupunkt, and Motorola. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 23:08:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Mar 2003 07:08:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 10334 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 07:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2003 07:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41009.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.8) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 07:08:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20030322070804.70768.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.50.160] by web41009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 23:08:04 PST Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 23:08:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Nautel XMTR. at WADK/1540-Newport, R.I.. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3E7B6AC5.23965.CD4D40@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Is it stereo-capable? They broadcast in mono. 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From n0uiheric@aol.com Fri Mar 21 23:54:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Mar 2003 07:54:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 15648 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 07:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2003 07:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 07:54:45 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id r.4d.2d4ff7f3 (3980) for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 02:54:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4d.2d4ff7f3.2bad70be@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 02:54:38 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which System? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih That would be the late KKHI on 1550. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 22 05:25:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Mar 2003 13:25:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 90249 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 13:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2003 13:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 13:25:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2003 13:25:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 13:25:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which System? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4d.2d4ff7f3.2bad70be@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 172 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > That would be the late KKHI on 1550. Yep, that was it. :) Thanks for jogging my memory. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Mar 22 07:34:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Mar 2003 15:34:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 43569 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 15:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2003 15:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 15:34:45 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-104.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.104]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h2MFYfhp029905 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:34:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002a01c2f089$12a0a960$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030322070804.70768.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nautel XMTR. at WADK/1540-Newport, R.I.. Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:38:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude AFAIK all Nautels are stereo capable- the older ones more than the newer IBOC-compatible ones. Not that the latter can't be used for stereo, but I think the conversion is more involved. Nautel no longer actively markets their own stereo generators, though I remember Jeff Welton saying if you jump through enough hoops to get to the right person, they can still be obtained. Otherwise use an external unit. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > Is it stereo-capable? They broadcast in mono. From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Mar 22 09:07:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Mar 2003 17:07:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 21606 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 17:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2003 17:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 17:07:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2003 17:07:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 17:07:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1519 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > It cannot be denied that IBOC is an *inherently flawed* system > because it can't be equally applied 24 hours a day in all cases -- > including the skywave DX coverage that nobody seems to care about > anymore. Kevin, that argument doesn't make any sense, neither can it be denied that what you say is equally true of the plain old analog "AM" system currently used in the MW broadcast band. Analog AM is also "an * inherently flawed* system because it can't be equally applied 24 hours a day in all cases"! With respect to skywave, except for its ability to to cause interferrence, why should anyone care about it today? > Analog AM Stereo doesn't have this problem; Huh? Analog AM has suffered from the problem of not being able to "be equally applied 24 hours a day in all cases", virtually since the beginnings of MW broadcasting using the old analog AM system. In the United States of America, the majority of analog AM broadcast stations must operate with different transmission parameters day and night. The major exceptions to this are a handful of former "clear channel" stations, and the so called "graveyard" stations. Most analog AM stations must either change their radiation patterns at night, reduce their power at night, do a combination of both, or go off the air entirely at night. The nighttime flaws of IBOC are nothing new in MW broadcasting, and have long plagued the analog AM system. John From powell@conterra.com Sat Mar 22 10:21:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Mar 2003 18:21:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 55376 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 18:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2003 18:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 18:21:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2003 18:21:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:21:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 974 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > John, > > This will not be a practical solution until there is a major > proliferation of the HD Radios.....years and years away. If this is so, this is not good for the survival of the format. > The full digital mode does create less interference, but nobody can > hear it yet. I think IBOC stations can operate at night with 2/3 > digital carriers, or C-Quam. This is a sensible solution for most, > but there will still be some stations that can never operate in IBOC > mode at all. The process no matter how you look at it, will change > the face of AM Radio as we now know it. AND, it ain't gonna be easy > for some nor benefit all. > > Regards, > Kerry......... This is true. My idea of the impact is on the MW band we will have to go back to pre NARBA ( that's the 1941 treaty) limits for it to work. AND a VERY short time for elimination of analog. BUT we will see. Powell From powell@conterra.com Sat Mar 22 10:26:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Mar 2003 18:26:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 16821 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 18:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2003 18:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 18:26:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2003 18:26:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:26:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2103 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > It cannot be denied that IBOC is an *inherently flawed* system > > because it can't be equally applied 24 hours a day in all cases -- > > including the skywave DX coverage that nobody seems to care about > > anymore. Nobody ? ***NOBODY** ?? > Kevin, that argument doesn't make any sense, neither can it be denied > that what you say is equally true of the plain old analog "AM" system > currently used in the MW broadcast band. Analog AM is also "an * > inherently flawed* system because it can't be equally applied 24 > >hours a day in all cases"! > > With respect to skywave, except for its ability to to cause > interferrence, why should anyone care about it today? Because there are still areas of the country that IS all that there IS. > > Analog AM Stereo doesn't have this problem; > > Huh? Analog AM has suffered from the problem of not being able to "be > equally applied 24 hours a day in all cases", virtually since the > beginnings of MW broadcasting using the old analog AM system. In the > United States of America, the majority of analog AM broadcast stations > must operate with different transmission parameters day and night. > The major exceptions to this are a handful of former "clear channel" > stations, and the so called "graveyard" stations. Most analog AM > stations must either change their radiation patterns at night, reduce > their power at night, do a combination of both, or go off the air > entirely at night. > > The nighttime flaws of IBOC are nothing new in MW broadcasting, and > have long plagued the analog AM system. True in some respect, but with analog to digital you are talking apples and oranges. The digital skywave has the ability to cover UP completely 2 additional frequencies and make TOTALLY unlistenable those 2 frequencies for thousands of miles. At least with analog you CAN hear stuff IF you had to, and it doesn't wipe out adjacents. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 22 10:35:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Mar 2003 18:35:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 34773 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 18:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2003 18:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 18:35:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2003 18:35:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:35:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1263 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: =snip= I think what Mr. T. was trying to get at is that analog AM (stereo or not), while plagued with interference issues, is still capable of overcoming interference obstacles without any serious disruption, and remain viable, or at least intelligable, under adverse conditions. Digital methods can be disrupted too easily, making them not so viable- in fact, very limited- under diverse conditions. The mere fact IBOC must fall back on analog as a backup -at-all- merely emphasises that IBOC is not ready for "prime time", as it were. And skywave is important to the shape of the intended broadcast area, and even today, many radio listeners do listen to out-of-area stations- I hear plenty of non-local callers on KGO when I listen to them, only about a third (or less!) of which listen via the internet. Considering nighttime conditions frequently appear in the daytime, too, even daytime IBOC usage could be subject to the same problems as encountered at night, and with said problems, IBOC isn't really suitable for its intended purpose. Nice experiment, but not worth it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Mar 22 10:45:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Mar 2003 18:45:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 43476 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 18:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2003 18:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 18:45:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2003 18:45:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:45:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 610 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > The nighttime flaws of IBOC are nothing new in MW broadcasting, and > have long plagued the analog AM system. > > John This is true. However it takes many analog stations with sufficient high frequency material summed together to equal the background radiation level generated by the secondary sidebands of one IBOC transmittion. Since the IBOC signal is a continuous wave of white noise with a duty cycle of 100% the interference problem will most likely be worse than what we had before the 10.2KHz frequency restriction. JSG From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Mar 22 18:53:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Mar 2003 02:53:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 62973 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 02:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2003 02:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 02:53:00 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-51.skyweb.net [66.6.130.179]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2N35Ibl088130 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:05:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3E7D21A5.9AF0D514@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 21:53:25 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: New Transmitter Pics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 ok Guys I just added more Pictures to My transmitter restoration page I also added Links to My Collins 300G and Gates BC-1h1 transmitters that I just acquired.. Tonight since the ground is To muddy to drive on.. the Gates transmitter is still sitting in the back of my van until the ground dries out and its safe to drive on without sinking... RCA transmitter http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/wttm/rca.html Collins Transmitter 1947 vintage Serial # 41 http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/wttm/300g.html Gates BC-1h1 http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/wttm/gates.html From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 22 18:56:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Mar 2003 02:56:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 21601 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 02:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2003 02:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 02:56:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2003 02:56:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 02:56:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2855 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > it takes many analog stations with sufficient high frequency > material summed together to equal the background radiation level > generated by the secondary sidebands of one IBOC transmittion. Anybody within local range of an AM IBOC broadcast can verify this for himself. Tune your radio to an adjacent channel of the IBOC station, and listen to the "hash". Then, at night with the skywaves in full force, tune in one of the "graveyard" frequencies between 1230 and 1490 kHz that is a combination of many dozens of analog signals, none of which rise to the level of intelligibility. This may sound like a room full of people talking at the same time, but it still won't be as continuously loud or continuously annoying as the IBOC "hash". It is also diningenuous to say that nighttime skywave AM, even from the 50 kW clear channel stations, doesn't count anymore. Many people know that AM radio "picks up more stations at night than during the day", without knowing what actually makes this possible. And yes, many of these signals even come in strongly and consistently enough to stop the "Seek" function that many listeners scan the dial with, and if the programming is something they like, they'll listen regardless if the station is in their back yard or is coming from 500 miles away. Take, for example, the 1000-1140 kHz clear channel range. Here in central NJ, it is sparsely populated during the day, at least when you only count stations that provide consistently listenable reception: 1010 WINS/NYC 1040 WCHR/Flemington NJ 1050 WEVD/NYC 1070 WKMB/Stirling NJ (daytime only) 1130 WBBR/NYC And here's what it consistently provides at night, even on a less than ideal radio (I have personally received all of these on the $5.00 Lennox Sound "Wal-Mart" radio, using only the built-in antenna!): 1000 WMVP/Chicago 1010 WINS/NYC + CFRB/Toronto 1020 KDKA/Pittsburgh 1030 WBZ/Boston 1040 WCHR/Flemington NJ + WHO/Des Moines IA 1050 WEVD/NYC + CHUM/Toronto 1060 KYW/Philadelphia 1070 various incl. CBC Radio and CHOK 1080 WTIC/Hartford CT 1090 WBAL/Baltimore 1100 WTAM/Cleveland 1110 WBT/Charlotte 1120 various incl. KMOX/St. Louis and WPRX/Bristol CT (constantly running daytime power at night) 1130 WBBR/NYC 1140 WRVA/Richmond VA Now, if ALL of these stations were transmitting IBOC at night, how many would there be left to hear amongst all the mutually destructive hash? Probably not many! And notice that even during the daytime, there are two stations, both consistently listenable, on first adjacent channels -- 1040 WCHR and 1050 WEVD -- and since WCHR is based on a pre-1991 application, it offers *no* adjacent-channel protection to WEVD at night -- WCHR's nighttime signal is aimed due east, directly towards NYC -- even though these two stations are only about 50 miles apart from each other! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 22 21:57:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Mar 2003 05:57:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 61765 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 05:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2003 05:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 05:57:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2003 05:57:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 05:57:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: C-Quam reference-quality audio samples (and Kahn too) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2107 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics For those who have listened to the IBOC digital audio samples on WOR's web site at: http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/Audio/ ...I have recorded many of the same musical excepts through a similar equipment set-up, to give a demonstration of how these samples sound when transmitted and received in reference-quality C-Quam AM Stereo. The audio was fed directly from a CD player into my Panasonic VP-8253P multi-system AM Stereo generator, set for the C-Quam system (with 25 Hz pilot tone at 4.0% modulation). The resulting signal was received on a C-Quam modulation monitor based on the Toshiba TA8124 decoder chip. Once recorded on my computer as WAV files, the audio was filtered to simulate the 10 kHz NRSC audio limit (following the response curve of the Inovonics 222 processor) and encoded to MP3 using LAME 3.90's high-quality "--alt-preset standard" setting. These have been uploaded to the new FTP server at: ftp://209.193.77.58/uploads I suggest that these audio samples be moved into a new "/demos" folder, since they don't really fall into the category of AM Stereo airchecks which are categorized by the station's country and state. I also suggest that the current "/circuits, schematics, diagrams" folder be more succinctly labelled as simply "/tech" or "/technical", in which case the current contents of "/usa/misc" can be moved there as well (the Harris and RCA scanned images). Anyway, just for fun, I also did a recording of Kahn ISB AM Stereo, produced by the same Panasonic generator, and received on a Sony SRF-A100, without any bandwidth filtering (just as Kahn stations would have sounded "back in the day"): ftp://209.193.77.58/uploads/4s-kahn.mp3 It's a clip from "Live On Stage", one of the most interesting albums from The 4 Seasons because of the fact that the "live" part of it was a joke -- it was just recorded in the studio, with a pre-recorded "audience" track dubbed in! It was the last album they did for Vee-Jay Records in 1965, and was somewhat of a throw-away, but nevertheless contains excellent wide-separation Stereo sound. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 22 23:38:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Mar 2003 07:38:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 88364 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 07:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2003 07:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 07:38:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2003 07:38:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 07:38:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: C-Quam reference-quality audio samples (and Kahn too) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1000 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > ftp://209.193.77.58/uploads/4s-kahn.mp3 > > It's a clip from "Live On Stage", one of the most interesting albums > from The 4 Seasons because of the fact that the "live" part of it was > a joke -- it was just recorded in the studio, with a pre-recorded > "audience" track dubbed in! It was the last album they did for > Vee-Jay Records in 1965, and was somewhat of a throw-away, but > nevertheless contains excellent wide-separation Stereo sound. You might want to look for CDs by the 1960s Chicago-area group "Cryan' Shames" (http://www.cryanshames.com/) on the Sundazed label- While the first CD is largely mono, the other two on this label are mostly stereo, with wide separation, and interesting stereo effects, plus great '60s pop tunes you hyave never heard. :) Too bad hardly anyone outside of Chicago (WLS-land) have ever heard them. (I just discovered them tonight.....) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 00:03:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Mar 2003 08:03:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 33339 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 08:03:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2003 08:03:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 08:03:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2003 08:02:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:02:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: C-Quam reference-quality audio samples (and Kahn too) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 892 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You might want to look for CDs by the 1960s Chicago-area > group "Cryan' Shames" (http://www.cryanshames.com/) Speaking of '60s music, I recently bought the CD "Billboard #1 Hits of the '60s" from Flashback Records, and even for a "cheapo" CD like this, it is a disappointment... it features "Blue Moon" with strangely narrow separation, and "Duke of Earl", "Rag Doll", and "I Got You, Babe" all in lifeless mono, even though spectacular Stereo versions do exist and are quite common. The only high point is a Stereo version of "Windy" that doesn't sound out-of-phase, as it is normally heard. But as much as I dislike mono, I wonder what was the last hit song to be recorded exclusively in mono... so far I've been able to come up with "Rock This Town" by the Stray Cats in 1982, but in that case the mono audio was probably used intentionally to add to its nostalgic sound. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 00:20:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Mar 2003 08:20:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 56544 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 08:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2003 08:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 08:20:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2003 08:20:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:20:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: C-Quam reference-quality audio samples (and Kahn too) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1396 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > You might want to look for CDs by the 1960s Chicago-area > > group "Cryan' Shames" (http://www.cryanshames.com/) > > Speaking of '60s music, I recently bought the CD "Billboard #1 Hits > of the '60s" from Flashback Records, and even for a "cheapo" CD like > this, it is a disappointment... it features "Blue Moon" with > strangely narrow separation, and "Duke of Earl", "Rag Doll", and > "I Got You, Babe" all in lifeless mono, even though spectacular > Stereo versions do exist and are quite common. The only high point > is a Stereo version of "Windy" that doesn't sound out-of-phase, as > it is normally heard. I wonder if what you had before that was the quad mix? > But as much as I dislike mono, I wonder what was the last hit song to > be recorded exclusively in mono... so far I've been able to come up > with "Rock This Town" by the Stray Cats in 1982, but in that case the > mono audio was probably used intentionally to add to its nostalgic > sound. "Dancing in the Moonlight" (1974) by King Harvest comes to mind- I have yet to find a stereo version of this; "I Melt With You" (1983) by Modern English also was originally mixed mono; Gabrielle's "Give Me a Little More Time" (1996) may well be the last mixed-to-mono hit. Many reggae songs are still mixed to mono. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 01:28:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Mar 2003 09:28:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 6422 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 09:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2003 09:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 09:28:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2003 09:28:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:28:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: C-Quam reference-quality audio samples (and Kahn too) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1005 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Gabrielle's "Give Me a Little More Time" (1996) may well be the > last mixed-to-mono hit. "Get On Top" on the Red Hot Chili Pepper's 1999 "Californication" album is also mono, but it (thankfully) wasn't a hit single and is so horribly produced (with over-compressed and distorted audio) that it's almost physically painful to listen to. (Compare it to "Under The Bridge" and you'll wonder just how things went so wrong!) And taken to the extreme, the current trend of mastering CDs to be more and more "loud" may result in more mono or near-mono tracks, because on a non-matrixed format like a CD, the wider the stereo separation you use, the less perceptual loudness you can have. I've also seen discussions on the topic of "when will we no longer care about how a song sounds in mono, because *everybody* will be listening to it in stereo?" I don't think we'll ever reach that point... at least as long as music is played on analog TV, which continues to be a largely monaural medium. From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Mar 23 09:15:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Mar 2003 17:15:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 81007 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 17:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2003 17:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 17:15:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2003 17:15:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:15:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2647 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > It is also diningenuous to say that nighttime skywave AM, even from > the 50 kW clear channel stations, doesn't count anymore. Many people > know that AM radio "picks up more stations at night than during the > day", without knowing what actually makes this possible. And yes, > many of these signals even come in strongly and consistently enough > to stop the "Seek" function that many listeners scan the dial with, > and if the programming is something they like, they'll listen > regardless if the station is in their back yard or is coming from > 500 miles away. I hardly think it is "disingenuous" to say that protected nighttime skywave service in the MW band is a waste of a valuable public resource. Do you even know what the word "disingenuous" means? It is my belief that the protected nighttime skywave coverage areas of a handful of class A MW stations in the US is at the expense of a much greater number of lower class stations that could be providing their communities with far better nightime service if they weren't required to protect the nighttime skywave coverage areas of a few clear channel dinosaurs. I don't believe that nighttime skywave service in the MW band is used by a significant number of people, and that if the class A broadcasters care about this service, it is only really as a matter of ego. I have one button on my AM radio set for "clear channel" station about 270 miles away, that can only be received via skywave at night. Perhaps 270 miles isn't far enough for good skywave reception, but most nights this channel is dead, with nothing to be heard. Some nights, like last night, this "clear channel" can be heard, often with a very strong signal that would easily stop a "scanner", but the signal constantly fades. The fades come in two flavors, very quick fades that will wipe crucial words from a news cast, and longer fades where the general level of the signal fades from very strong, where it sounds like the transmitter is just down the road, to so weak that there is no signal to be heard at all. This may be great stuff for DXers, but it is totally useless for listening to actual radio programs on an ongoing basis. This has been my experience with skywave reception for more than 40 years, hence my feeling that protected nighttime skywave service in the MW band is a waste of a valuable public resource that could provide a greater public service if used in other ways. Basically I feel that only the ground wave of all stations should be protected at night. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Mar 23 09:19:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Mar 2003 17:19:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 32129 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 17:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2003 17:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 17:19:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2003 17:19:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:19:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: C-Quam reference-quality audio samples (and Kahn too) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1859 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > For those who have listened to the IBOC digital audio samples on > WOR's web site at: > > http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/Audio/ > > ...I have recorded many of the same musical excepts through a similar > equipment set-up, to give a demonstration of how these samples sound > when transmitted and received in reference-quality C-Quam AM Stereo. What do you mean by "a similar equipment set-up"? What was the equipment set-up used by WOR to produce their "IBOC digital audio samples"? > The audio was fed directly from a CD player into my Panasonic > VP-8253P multi-system AM Stereo generator, set for the C-Quam system > (with 25 Hz pilot tone at 4.0% modulation). Did the WOR "equipment set-up" used for their "IBOC digital audio samples" use a barefoot no processing approach like you are using? > The resulting signal was > received on a C-Quam modulation monitor based on the Toshiba TA8124 > decoder chip. What is the brand name, and model number, of the C-Quam modulation monitor you used, that is based on the Toshiba TA8124 decoder chip? > Once recorded on my computer as WAV files, the audio > was filtered to simulate the 10 kHz NRSC audio limit (following the > response curve of the Inovonics 222 processor) Why didn't you do this "NRSC" audio filtering prior to feeding the signal into your Panasonic VP-8253P multi-system AM Stereo generator, as a real AM station broadcasting in C-Quam AM Stereo would have to do? How did you simulate "the response curve of the Inovonics 222 processor"? How did you insure that the phase response, or impulse response, was the same as that of the Inovonics processor? Or did you assume that the response of the Inovonics processor is "minimum phase", which is probably a serious error? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Mar 23 09:21:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Mar 2003 17:21:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 87399 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 17:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2003 17:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 17:21:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2003 17:21:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:21:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: C-Quam reference-quality audio samples (and Kahn too) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 664 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > And taken to the extreme, the current trend of mastering CDs to be > more and more "loud" may result in more mono or near-mono tracks, > because on a non-matrixed format like a CD, the wider the stereo > separation you use, the less perceptual loudness you can have. Are you saying that a "matrixed" format can be louder than a non- matrixed format? Obviously you are saying CD is an example of a non- matrixed format, could you give more examples of matrixed and non- matrixed formats? How does the fact that a format is matrixed, or non-matrixed, affect the loudness? John From powell@conterra.com Sun Mar 23 10:26:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Mar 2003 18:26:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 77891 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 18:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2003 18:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 18:26:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2003 18:26:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:26:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6076 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > > It is also diningenuous to say that nighttime skywave AM, even from > > the 50 kW clear channel stations, doesn't count anymore. Many people > > know that AM radio "picks up more stations at night than during the > > day", without knowing what actually makes this possible. And yes, > > many of these signals even come in strongly and consistently enough > > to stop the "Seek" function that many listeners scan the dial with, > > and if the programming is something they like, they'll listen > > regardless if the station is in their back yard or is coming from > > 500 miles away. > > I hardly think it is "disingenuous" to say that protected nighttime > skywave service in the MW band is a waste of a valuable public > resource. Do you even know what the word "disingenuous" means? I'm sure he certainly does or he wouldn't have used it. > It is > my belief that the protected nighttime skywave coverage areas of a > handful of class A MW stations in the US is at the expense of a much > greater number of lower class stations that could be providing their > communities with far better nightime service if they weren't required > to protect the nighttime skywave coverage areas of a few clear channel > dinosaurs. It is *MY* belief that you have an extreme hatred of any potential of skywave listening. Not to care that opening up the band to let other stations have significant power which would then SUBSTANTIALLY erode the useable groundwave coverage of these stations, exposing them to horrific skywave interference from these other stations that more than likely do NOT provide ANY **REAL** service whatsoever, but just an automated nothing. And you actually think that these stations with a slightly more powerful night power are going to abide by the power limits and not just run full power? There IS not going to be any enforcement of violations of this nature. It is MY belief that you want the MW band so emaciated with interference that IBOC can be tossed in there and to heck with the interference, it can't be any worse than it is now [ now being the big created mess]. I just wonder what your real "agenda" IS here, John, seriously? Do you work for Ibiquity or have lots of stock in it? It seems you are far more "in the camp" than Kerry is. It's my opinion that we should have expanded the MW band from 520 to 1780. There needs to be drop dead enforcement of power and DA violations, and the violators that are repeated first [ the ones that were daytimers with flea power especially] get a large fine and after the third violation in a year lose their license. I wonder how many cheaters there are??? 10 %, 20% or higher. A digital service that has skywave in the mix is certainly very shaky. DRM on the SW band will work, but it's assuming that you don't have multiple of multiples of stations on the same frequency, and not a lot of static. The MW band is hampered by static in the summer in addition to multiple skywave interferences. This is totally unacceptable if you assume there is NO analog. With an analog component, IBOC is a VERY inferior service, but Ibiquity is still out there hyping the claim that the AM is near FM quality and the FM is CD quality. With the analog component it will NEVER be. Want to be brave and call for the total elimination of analog in TWO YEARS? On our current FM band IBOC will be a boon to the in city broadcasters by eliminating all the "rim shots" unless the big corporate broadcaster has been unfortunate enough to own one of these "rim shots". The only way for IBOC to halfway work on the MW band is to expand it from 520 to 1780, and go to almost pre- NARBA limits....like 1000 stations. And then trying to listen to the radio with a bolt tossing supercell with a major tornado in it will be a thrill of a lifetime...maybe even a lifetime ending event. LOTS o snippage... > I have one button on my AM radio set for "clear channel" station about > 270 miles away, that can only be received via skywave at night. > Perhaps 270 miles isn't far enough for good skywave reception, It often isn't. > but > most nights this channel is dead, with nothing to be heard. Some > nights, like last night, this "clear channel" can be heard, often with > a very strong signal that would easily stop a "scanner", but the > signal constantly fades. The fades come in two flavors, very quick > fades that will wipe crucial words from a news cast, and longer fades > where the general level of the signal fades from very strong, where it > sounds like the transmitter is just down the road, to so weak that > there is no signal to be heard at all. This may be great stuff for > DXers, but it is totally useless for listening to actual radio > programs on an ongoing basis. This has been my experience with > skywave reception for more than 40 years, hence my feeling that > protected nighttime skywave service in the MW band is a waste of a > valuable public resource that could provide a greater public service > if used in other ways. I don't find this to be true. I see varying levels of signals, true, but some stations are better than others. I found WCBS ( 880 ) coverage of September 11 to be great. The local and network coverage offered by the big corporate broadcasters was barely passing. War coverage has been ...um very spotty. And 2 of the stations I had that should have been excellent had no one at the pilot....dead air and multiple audio sources at once. This is NOT an uncommon happening here in Columbia SC. Basically I feel that only the ground wave of > all stations should be protected at night. Actually it might protect to the 50 mv under your plan....maybe. And if you think I'm flaming, I'm not. I'm just wondering out loud what the real agenda is here as others have. Powell W4OPW ( AM on 7290) From powell@conterra.com Sun Mar 23 10:32:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Mar 2003 18:32:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 64402 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 18:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2003 18:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 18:32:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2003 18:32:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:32:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: C-Quam reference-quality audio samples (and Kahn too) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1136 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > > And taken to the extreme, the current trend of mastering CDs to be > > more and more "loud" may result in more mono or near-mono tracks, > > because on a non-matrixed format like a CD, the wider the stereo > > separation you use, the less perceptual loudness you can have. > > Are you saying that a "matrixed" format can be louder than a non- > matrixed format? Obviously you are saying CD is an example of a non- > matrixed format, could you give more examples of matrixed and non- > matrixed formats? How does the fact that a format is matrixed, or > non-matrixed, affect the loudness? > > John I think what he is saying that, most commercially recorded music is so grossly overprocessed it isn't funny. Some MAJOR market stations have told the record producers that if they EXPECT their music to be played they NEED a NON compressed version for air play. Those TOP major market stations sometime get their wish. Otherwise...it causes great problems. Powell From powell@conterra.com Sun Mar 23 10:38:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Mar 2003 18:38:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 4215 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 18:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2003 18:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 18:38:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2003 18:38:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:38:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Command records and tapes Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 98 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I wonder if any of these have been re-released to CD? I wonder if there is any chance. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 11:02:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Mar 2003 19:02:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 83510 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 19:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2003 19:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 19:02:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2003 19:02:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:02:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3035 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: ...and so on and so forth, MAJOR snippage. I'm going to reply to a few things here without quoting, since that's unnecessary for what I need to say. Skywave radio- Does anybody actually use it? Yes. And you'd be surprised by the numbers-- I figure at least 10% of AM radio listeners presently listen to distant radio stations. In some cases, like truck drivers, they have to. Where I am, in northwestern California, about 250 miles north of San Francisco we had a local event happen here in 1992, that ONLY got covered by a station in San Francisco- KGO, to be exact. We had a series of 3 7-plus earthquakes in a 36-hour period. Local coverage was anything but. So locals tuned to KGO, of all places to get any info on what happened up here in that time period, including covering local fires caused by the quakes. As an aside, I lost my SRF-A100 to quake damage, after it had taken quite a beating, including battery acid, and it had still been usable. I miss that radio so much. :( Because of the popularity of KGO, a local radio broadcaster managed to get a license to rebroadcast KGO locally on the FM dial, later moved to the AM dial, so the FM could play oldies (one of the "Good Times, Great Oldies" stations, now). (However, the local AM, KGOE, dropped KGO because of KGO dropping Dr. Laura, so now they broadcast "extreme" talk radio- ultra-conservative talk in a primarily liberal community- Smart move!) KGO still remains popular here, and the talkshow hosts still get calls from locals on a regular basis, even though it's no longer aired locally, and the only other way other than skywave to hear it is on the internet (www.kgoam810.com). Even at 250 miles, with lots of mountains, KGO does come in weakly with a Select-A-Tenna (and sometimes without) in the daytime, and at night, it's one of the STRONGEST distant radio stations available here. As for Mr. Byrns, I've long given up on him, and still can't understand why he even bothers coming here (there are several IBOC groups on Yahoo! Groups, including my own "NOtoIBOC" group), and perhaps he's be more interested in one of those pro-IBOC groups. (Other than that, thanks for the RCA Review copy- It has proven to be of immense help to me, perhaps far more than you could ever realize.) And of course, if you, the general reader of this forum, have made it all the way through this, I have a question for all- Well, a couple, anyway: Do you DX? Did you get into AM stereo because of DX, or get into DX because of AM stereo? For me, it was the former- I've been DXing since I was very young, periodically dropping out of DX, but never really leaving it. With only 4 local AM stations at night (7 in the day, farthest one is 80 miles north), most of the AM listening here IS DX. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 11:05:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Mar 2003 19:05:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 57209 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 19:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2003 19:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 19:05:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2003 19:05:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:05:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Command records and tapes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 375 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > I wonder if any of these have been re-released to CD? I wonder if > there is any chance. Some have, though most are out of print, even on CD. Sad, since they're really some of the best demonstration stereo outside of RCA's stereo efforts (particularly their "Living Stereo" series). Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From krichards@wor710.com Sun Mar 23 16:21:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 00:21:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 29498 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 00:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 00:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 00:21:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 00:21:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 00:21:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Skywaves and Audio Samples Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4712 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 66.47.86.250 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Re: Skywaves Many stations use skywave/secondary coverage very nicely to serve a large area of listeners and make money at it. With the terrain on the West Coast AM Radio is vital to the area. KCBS is an excellent example. Here on the East coast, this situation does not exist, nor has it been embraced by the advertisers or listeners. Although you can listen to WCBS from Boston to Washington DC pretty well during the day, does this mean they sell time in Boston, Philadelphia, or Maryland? Same with WOR, do we go after clients in Philadelphia, do we give traffic reports for Philadelphia? The answer is no. These are regional issues, in some areas it is a lot different. Take WTAM in Cleveland, they serve Akron, and Canton as well. They produce revenue from there as well. KDKA is another biggie, so is WCCO, and WGN, etc etc. So skywave/secondary service is a regional issue, and one of the many miracles of AM broadcasting. FM stations do not have a chance here. The other issue here is the skywave service is very unpredictable, also secondary service is just that, "secondary in nature". It is also determined by operating power, pattern, and sometimes not too reliable. Do you charge advertisers less in these areas? And how do you draw the line other than by measurements, where your poorer areas are. The bottom line: if you have something someone wants to hear or needs to hear, they will put up with a lot of noise or interference to listen. It really varies from market to market. Now the interesting question for us here, is how many of those stations operate in AM Stereo? How many will try IBOC to deliver AM Stereo? Most of the biggies operate in Mono now. Why? Re: Audio samples and Demos Kevin loves to post all kinds of samples here. All of these lab experiments are just that. They are not real world samples of what any audio will sound like nor could they ever be. Kevin does not take into account the antenna system or the effects from the phasor and other factors which do affect the results. Until you tune up an array, transmitter and processor, you never get an idea of what it is really like. Sometimes the real results are quite different from expectations. On top of this each installation has a different feel and sound to it. John asks Kevin about the processor and peaks etc. that's important, but who cares about that? I'm asking the basics....what about the transmitting antenna and the radio itself? In this case, Kevin has little real world experience tuning up a typical station and it's array, processor, and transmitter. When tuning up a system the WORST thing you can be listening to is the modulation monitor output. This does not even come close to what most people hear when listening to their radios. You can use it to determine how clean or how nasty the audio is after processing, but for little else. It takes several radios which obviously cannot be used at the transmitter, then you need to take into account the car radios, which is another matter entirely. What about the program director, or the owner, who wants the audio his way? What do you do then? What about the NRSC curve? It is a very difficult process, and takes a lot of time. If Kevin thinks some big station is going to let him in and tune up their station to what he thinks sounds good and in AM Stereo, then I want to get some of what he has been smoking.......Get my point? This is not to say his lab bench tests and samples serve no purpose, no, they are entertainment for him and others and there is nothing wrong with that. They have little to do what happens in the real broadcast environment, and do not amount to much reality wise. Those of us who have made our living in this business for many years, can well appreciate what I'm saying here. It's kind of funny how the Optimod, the Omnia, and the Amigo, the most widely used units, all, almost sound the same in the end when they get on the air. Why, because our industry has accepted a defacto standard of what AM radio sounds like, and what advertisers expect when selling their wares, audio wise. When you add it all up in the end, the differences between stations do not amount to much. A little more high end there, a little more bass there, add some clipping, it goes on and on. Most stations here in NYC all use the same processors from the same manufacturer, there really ain't that much leeway in the settings and adjustments. But on the other hand, to be green, unexperienced, and able to dream...well that ain't too bad either, is it? I would not make a big deal about either situation, be you the seasoned old pro, or the dreamer. Kerry From powell@conterra.com Sun Mar 23 16:30:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 00:30:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 94739 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 00:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 00:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 00:30:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 00:30:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 00:30:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Command records and tapes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 651 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > > I wonder if any of these have been re-released to CD? I wonder if > > there is any chance. > > Some have, though most are out of print, even on CD. Sad, since > they're really some of the best demonstration stereo outside of RCA's > stereo efforts (particularly their "Living Stereo" series). > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Speaking of "Living Stereo"....I have a Melachrino Strings RCA that says " Living Strings". My friend downstate has the SAME recording but it just says stereo.... any ideas? Powell From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Mar 23 16:31:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 00:31:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 27521 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 00:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 00:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 00:31:28 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-60.skyweb.net [66.6.130.188]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2O0hkbl015123 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:43:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3E7E5202.3469DF48@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:32:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: More Pictures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 ok Guys I just added more Pictures Of my Gates transmitter To the website. for those interested. BTW after removing the transmitter from the Van I had to remove the Van From the backyard after it sunk in the soft ground right upto its axels..... OUCH... Kerry how large a building will I need For that contential transmitter??? Neal http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/wttm/gates.html From krichards@wor710.com Sun Mar 23 16:58:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 00:58:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 77623 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 00:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 00:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 00:58:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 00:58:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 00:58:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: More Pictures Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E7E5202.3469DF48@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1241 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 66.47.86.250 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > ok Guys I just added more Pictures Of my Gates transmitter To the > website. for those interested. > BTW after removing the transmitter from the Van I had to remove the > Van From the backyard after it sunk in the soft ground right upto its > axels..... OUCH... > Kerry how large a building will I need For that contential > transmitter??? > Neal > http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/wttm/gates.html Its not so much the size of the building as it is the blowers, the weight of the cabinets, and the HV supply which is external to the main cabinets.....what a pain....funny how the DX50 and the 3DX50 slide into place and go on air in an hour or so. Just have about two days to pull apart the rig so it can be put back together in workable condition. Had your baby on air last night, still sounds good, got a very warm bottom to it. Had it on for a couple of hours on the back end of the 9100, during Joe Franklin's music show. Sinatra sounds great. By the way you will need 440/3 phase to power it up..beasty is hungry for power. Have Fun, (and come and visit before I pull the studios apart...new IBOC software later this week....also) Kerry.... From don@idpt.com Sun Mar 23 17:17:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: don@idpt.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 01:17:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 4440 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 01:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 01:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ohsmtp02.ogw.rr.com) (65.24.7.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 01:17:31 -0000 Received: from primary (cpe-024-024-118-111.midsouth.rr.com [24.24.118.111]) by ohsmtp02.ogw.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h2O1HTgO014430 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:17:30 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:17:37 -0600 Message-ID: <000501c2f1a3$2b827b50$6500a8c0@primary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Don Johnson" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=32705644 X-Yahoo-Profile: htmldon I joined this e-mail list because I love radio and I love broadcasting. I also love politics. And the sad thing is -- given some of the comments on this list -- broadcasting seems more dirty than politics!!! Can't you folks argue a point without being so disagreeable? Isn't the love of radio what this is all about? I haven't said much on this because I'm not an engineer and don't even play one on TV. I began looking at IBOC very skeptically - especially since their web site presented audio clips that were obviously a distorted view of both conventional and IBOC technology. But as the arguments on this list wore on... I've started to become convinced that the arguments against IBOC are based largely on a longing for "the good ol' days" and dead analog technologies. As a 21 year old, when you people start talking about going back to record players instead of CD's... I start to wonder if you think that a can and string should replace the telephone! (or in this case, two cans and two strings for analog stereo) It seems to me that people like Kerry are on the front lines in making some dramatic changes to radio that will affect the medium for many years to come. Not all of these changes will be positive, but digital radio does have some promising points that outweigh the drawbacks. And, as to not be accused of hating skywave coverage -- my love for radio BEGAN with DX'ing skywave stations on AM and SW. " I just wonder what your real "agenda" IS here, John, seriously? Do you work for Ibiquity or have lots of stock in it? It seems you are far more "in the camp" than Kerry is." Powell, do you really think this kind of accusation boosts your argument? It's this kind of personal rhetoric that led me AWAY from the anti-IBOC camp. I think you owe John an apology. Back to keeping my mouth shut (and both ears open for stereo, whether analog or digital) ______________ Don Johnson don@idpt.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Mar 23 17:44:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 01:44:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 5012 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 01:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 01:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 01:44:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 01:44:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 01:44:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: More Pictures Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E7E5202.3469DF48@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 622 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > ok Guys I just added more Pictures Of my Gates transmitter To the > website. for those interested. > BTW after removing the transmitter from the Van I had to remove the > Van From the backyard after it sunk in the soft ground right upto its > axels..... OUCH... > Kerry how large a building will I need For that contential > transmitter??? What about power, is three phase power easily available "out in the country" where you live? I remember some transmitters out in the country that had to make do with open delta power feeds. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Mar 23 18:03:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 02:03:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 94875 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 02:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 02:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 02:03:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 02:03:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 02:03:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4811 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > > I hardly think it is "disingenuous" to say that protected nighttime > > skywave service in the MW band is a waste of a valuable public > > resource. Do you even know what the word "disingenuous" means? > > I'm sure he certainly does or he wouldn't have used it. Well he either doesn't know what it means, or he believes I am not sincere in my belief that skywave service is a waste of a valuable public resource. Either way he is mistaken. > It is *MY* belief that you have an extreme hatred of any potential > of skywave listening. "Hatred", I wouldn't put it anywhere near that strong, perhaps you have spent too much time in this group, where emotions seem to run unnecessarily high. > Not to care that opening up the band to let other stations have > significant power which would then SUBSTANTIALLY erode the useable > groundwave coverage of these stations, exposing them to horrific > skywave interference from these other stations The main thrust of my plan is not to give stations more night power, but rather it is to reduce somewhat the required depth of the nulls in the nighttime patterns of the former class II stations. You keep saying that eliminating protection of nighttime skywave coverage will "SUBSTANTIALLY" erode groundwave coverage, yet you haven't given any evidence of how this would come about? By definition the groundwave would be protected under my plan, that's how my rules would be written. I am more worried that my rules would not result in the hoped for loosening of directional patterns of other stations. > that more than likely do NOT provide ANY **REAL** service > whatsoever, but just an automated nothing. And you actually think > that these stations with a slightly more powerful night power are > going to abide by the power limits and not just run full power? Again it is not a matter of more night power, it is simply a matter of allowing stations to use the power they do have, somewhat more uniformly across their market area. As far as abiding by the "power limits", that's a problem now, and I fall to see what it is about my plan that would make the problem worse? If my plan has any effect at all on compliance with the rules, I would think it would tend to increase compliance simply because there would be less to gain by violating the rules. > There IS not going to be any > enforcement of violations of this nature. It is MY belief that you > want the MW band so emaciated with interference that IBOC can be > tossed in there and to heck with the interference, it can't be any > worse than it is now [ now being the big created mess]. I just > wonder what your real "agenda" IS here, John, seriously? Do you work > for Ibiquity or have lots of stock in it? It seems you are far more > "in the camp" than Kerry is. My agenda is simply as I have stated it, which is to improve the local nighttime coverage of some AM stations, and has nothing to do with IBOC. > I don't find this to be true. I see varying levels of signals, true, > but some stations are better than others. I found WCBS ( 880 ) > coverage of September 11 to be great. The local and network coverage > offered by the big corporate broadcasters was barely passing. And WCBS is not a "big corporate broadcaster"? > > Basically I feel that only the ground wave of > > all stations should be protected at night. > > Actually it might protect to the 50 mv under your plan....maybe. Where does that 50 mV figure come from? First I have not stated the details of my plan, I have only given a simplified version of it to facilitate understanding. Even under the simplified way I have described the plan, I don't understand how you come up with this 50 mV number? The nighttime ground wave of the affected stations is only implicitly protected under the current rules, and by definition my plan would explicitly protect the nighttime groundwave coverage of these stations, to well beyond their 50 mV contour. To say that the nighttime groundwave coverage would be reduced to the 50 mV contour is simply a joke, you have given no suggestion how this could happen, except by the illegal actions of lawless broadcasters, which should be no worse of a problem under my plan than it is currently. You clearly don't understand the basic idea of my plan, and feel threatened by the loss of protected skywave coverage. > And if you think I'm flaming, I'm not. I'm just wondering out loud > what the real agenda is here as others have. What are you talking about? What is this talk of the real agenda? The agenda is nothing more nor less than I have said it is. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 18:07:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 02:07:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 92843 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 02:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 02:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 02:07:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 02:07:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 02:07:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: C-Quam reference-quality audio samples (and Kahn too) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 938 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What do you mean by "a similar equipment set-up"? WOR's IBOC samples were made with a CD player directly connected to their IBOC exciter and received in the same room on a reference- quality IBOC receiver. Thus, it was by no means a "real world" type of demonstration, and my own C-Quam audio samples followed this same approach. And if you have so many questions about the equipment you used, you are free to visit my basement and observe it in action. I'm not a professional radio engineer, and I don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment to work with; I do the best I can with what I have (such as my Panasonic AM Stereo generator which I bought for $100 on eBay). And if that's not up to your standards, just like WOR I include the asterisked footnote that my audio samples are not to be taken as the Gospel truth, and of course you are free to submit your own results made using your own equipment. From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Mar 23 18:17:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 02:17:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 98233 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 02:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 02:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 02:17:18 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-60.skyweb.net [66.6.130.188]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2O2Tbbl042089 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:29:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3E7E6AD2.B314B3E5@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:17:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More Pictures References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 I am an Electrician by trade..Broadcast Engineer By Choice... Power is not a problem..... Not that I plan On powering up the Monster.. But I am planning on putting up a Building For it.... I am presently planning on a separate 30x32 foot building for My present ham shack... I have 3 acres... and a Huge Generator is also in the plans... Neal bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman > wrote: > > ok Guys I just added more Pictures Of my Gates transmitter To the > > website. for those interested. > > BTW after removing the transmitter from the Van I had to remove the > > Van From the backyard after it sunk in the soft ground right upto its > > axels..... OUCH... > > Kerry how large a building will I need For that contential > > transmitter??? > > What about power, is three phase power easily available "out in the > country" where you live? I remember some transmitters out in the > country that had to make do with open delta power feeds. > > John > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Mar 23 18:28:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 02:28:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 35941 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 02:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 02:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 02:28:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 02:28:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 02:28:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3194 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > Skywave radio- Does anybody actually use it? > > Yes. And you'd be surprised by the numbers-- I figure at least 10% > of AM radio listeners presently listen to distant radio stations. Can you cite any independent sources to back this number up? > In some cases, like truck drivers, they have to. Why? Truck drivers could easily use satellite radio. > Where I am, in northwestern California, about 250 miles north of San > Francisco we had a local event happen here in 1992, that ONLY got > covered by a station in San Francisco- KGO, to be exact. What you are really saying is that all of the stations in your local market dropped the ball on this one. The problem should be fixed at the source, skywave coverage isn't the answer to that. The logical extension of your reasoning would be to cancel all existing broadcast licenses, and simply have one huge LW transmitter in the center of the country? > As for Mr. Byrns, I've long given up on him, and still can't > understand why he even bothers coming here (there are several IBOC > groups on Yahoo! Groups, including my own "NOtoIBOC" group), and > perhaps he's be more interested in one of those pro-IBOC groups. Actually, IIRC you were the one who sent me here. When I arrived I found that the discussions here had nothing to do with the reason I checked the group out, which was AM stereo, and instead the group was all about IBOC. I figured my opinions on IBOC were as valid as anyone else's, and after all IBOC is AM stereo for the new millennium. In any case my comments in the current discussion have nothing to do with AM stereo, or more specifically IBOC, but rather relate to my opinion of nighttime skywave service, and after all nighttime skywave is the subject of this thread which was started by none other than Kevin T. > (Other than that, thanks for the RCA Review copy- It has proven > to be of immense help to me, perhaps far more than you could ever > realize.) I'm glad you found the paper useful, when I first sent it to you I thought you might not find it too useful, as you had said you weren't into a lot of math. It is a good paper, and covers just about anything you could want to know about any AM stereo system you could conceive of, and a few you might not, with the exception of the C-Quam system. My only disappointment is that they didn't give the circuit diagram for one of their receivers using a "dynamic diode limiter". The dynamic diode limiter is a simple enough circuit, but it doesn't appear easy to make use of it in a consumer type radio, without adding one more tube than you would like to. > And of course, if you, the general reader of this forum, have made > it all the way through this, I have a question for all- Well, a > couple, anyway: > > Do you DX? Did you get into AM stereo because of DX, or get into DX > because of AM stereo? I never got into DX, only AM stereo, so the question doesn't really apply for me. I got into AM stereo because I was/am into radio, and for one other reason which I will leave for the detectives here figure out. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 18:29:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 02:29:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 41309 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 02:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 02:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 02:29:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 02:29:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 02:29:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1898 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Do you DX? Did you get into AM stereo because of DX, or get into DX > because of AM stereo? It was actually an interest in shortwave and ham radio which introduced me to AM broadcast band DXing. I happened to read one book about shortwave and it included a section about AM DXing, with a list of all the 50 kW clear channel stations. Using just an ordinary home stereo tuner, I was amazed at how many of them I could pick up. But I didn't really become a regular listener of AM skywave DX until a few years later when a family member bought a car that came with an AM Stereo-equipped radio. Upon discovering this new dimension of AM radio listening, soon I got an AM Stereo radio for myself, and of course one of the big attractions was listening to a few of the nighttime skywave stations playing music in Stereo. Then came the beginning of the Expanded Band and I got a Sony SRF-42 which let me hear all of that great DXing in Stereo, such as hearing 1700 WCMQ from over a thousand miles away in full Stereo, as well as 1630 KCJJ of course. If you listen to any 50 kW talk station that has a local call-in show at night, you'll still hear many out-of-state callers. Even music stations like 740 CHWO constantly mention getting callers from all across the continent. Many of these stations are very proud of their far-reaching skywave signals at night; the USA's most-listened-to talk station, 770 WABC in New York City, still constantly brags about their nighttime coverage of "38 states and 7 Canadian provinces". Analog AM radio is a broadcasting legacy eight decades in the making. And while it may be antiquated compared to other communications media, it still has a lot of life left, and many people still depend on it -- day and night -- so there's no sense in killing it off just to satisfy the current "digital" fad using an inherently flawed system. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Mar 23 18:57:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 02:57:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 51064 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 02:57:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 02:57:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 02:57:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 02:57:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 02:57:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c2f1a3$2b827b50$6500a8c0@primary> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2606 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Johnson" wrote: As a 21 year old, when you > people start talking about going back to record players instead of > CD's... I start to wonder if you think that a can and string should > replace the telephone! (or in this case, two cans and two strings for > analog stereo) > ______________ > Don Johnson I wouldn't say that the record player is that backwards. When CDs first came out they offered improvements in areas where records lacked like tighter, more accurate bass and the elimination of surface noise and that vinyl will eventually wear out. For the technology at the time CDs eliminated some of the more annoying problems with vinyl but traded it for some minor digital artifacts in the top end. The early D/A converters were somewhat bad about magnifying this but Panasonic, Poineer and I'm sure others have worked at undoing the quantitizing effects on the top end to make it sound more natural. Vinyl, on the other hand, can smoothly reproduce a waveform as high as 60KHz with no stairstepping. This gives vinyl that bright but polished sound on the top end as compared to the freshly cut, unfinished and unpolished sound of a CD. Most people have not heard what the full potential of what vinyl has to offer. For the extreme audiophiles who spend many times what most people would spend on a hight quality turntable and stylus end up with with a system that has a greater dynamic range and greater natural sounding frequency response than what a CD can offer. With the silky quiet sound of half-speed masters and Japanese pressings on these systems the sound is phenominal. This will only be surpassed when the 96KHz 24Bit Super CDs are released. This brings me to a conclusion about the extremely crummy sound that existing AM, FM and CD transmittion mediums have experienced. All three of these mediums are capable of producing much higher quality but the signal processing has crippled this potential. One thing in common with all of them is they are to be replaced with a newer 'better' system. IBOC for AM & FM and 9624 Super CDs for the 16Bit 44.1KHz CDs. These existing systems can be made to sound exteremely well and would leave little room in improvement for the newer ones that will replace them. This crummy signal processing has gone on long enough that it leads one to beleive that it is the medium to blame for the quality and not the source and/or processing. How else can you make a big splash with a newer technology to replace an older one if the older one is already capable of delivering high quality. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 19:00:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 03:00:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 40703 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 03:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 03:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 03:00:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 03:00:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 03:00:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Skywaves and Audio Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2433 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > In this case, Kevin has little real world experience tuning up a > typical station and it's array, processor, and transmitter. Correct, but I have observed AM stations -- mono and Stereo -- being built from the ground up, and I do know about what makes them tick and what compromises are necessary to provide a proper balance between signal coverage, loudness, and fidelity, as heard on a wide range of receivers. That being said, a station is still only as strong as its weakest link. And I believe that in its current form, IBOC is a very weak link. It causes interference and reduces fidelity for 100% of a station's existing listeners, all for the sake of providing a digital signal which nobody can receive yet and which sounds about as bad as a Internet web-cast on a 28.8K modem. (Nor will IBOC do anything to solve problems such as audio that is plaged with hiss, hum, and telephone-like frequency response, such as what is coming from WOR's studios most of the time.) Of course, if incorrectly configured, or if used on a station that just has a less than optimal transmitter and/or antenna array, C-Quam can be a weak link too. But at least it doesn't have serious *inherent* flaws, and has benefitted from more than 21 years of use and technical advancement, both on the transmitter side and on the receiver side. I will reiterate the point that WOR's IBOC samples aren't "real- world" samples and shouldn't be taken as such -- nor are my samples of C-Quam AM Stereo. But you can still learn a lot by comparing these systems in conditions of *ideal* performance. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that IBOC -- at least in its current form -- doesn't sound as good in *ideal* conditions as C-Quam has the capability of sounding in *real-world* conditions. I was lucky enough to listen to 1600 WWRL when they were broadcasting AM Stereo with 18 kHz's worth of audio response. And even as received *outside* of their 0.5 mV/m daytime coverage area, they still sounded far better than what IBOC currently sounds like in controlled laboratory conditions. This brings up the old question -- if a new technology isn't at least *as good as* an old technology, then why bother using it? And even if it offers some genuine improvements, it won't necessarily prevail -- just ask anybody who ever bought a quadaphonic audio system, a LaserDisc player, or a can of New Coke. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 19:10:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 03:10:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 76069 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 03:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 03:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 03:10:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 03:10:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 03:10:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: More Pictures Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E7E5202.3469DF48@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 337 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > ok Guys I just added more Pictures Of my Gates transmitter To the > website. for those interested. By the way, if you want a Gates "Solid Statesman" FM audio Limiter to match your transmitter, I have one that's yours for the taking... even the colors on the front panel match perfectly, and it's in very good working condition. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Mar 23 19:22:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 03:22:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 80314 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 03:22:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 03:22:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 03:22:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 03:22:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 03:22:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Skywaves and Audio Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 782 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > -- just ask anybody who ever bought a quadaphonic audio system, a=20 > LaserDisc player, or a can of New Coke. I have to say that the LaserDisc was a video version of a cd and offered an impressive image with no compression artifacts that a DVD has. The DVD also encodes the signal at 30 frames per/sec while the LaseDisc did it at 60 fields per/sec. This gave the LaserDisc a more fluid motion like a VCR or live broadcast while the DVD had more of a choppy motion like a 24 frame per/sec movie film. LaserDiscs were the best of both worlds with a cleaner more fliud image. It is sad that the LaserDisc kind of went the way of the =DFetamax and as we were stuck with the inferior quality VHS format. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 19:26:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 03:26:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 58004 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 03:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 03:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 03:26:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 03:26:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 03:26:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 860 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I never got into DX, only AM stereo, so the question doesn't really > apply for me. If you "never got into DX" then how you can honestly understand both sides of the argument concerning whether or not nighttime skywave coverage of the clear channel AM stations should be preserved? This makes no more sense than somebody saying "I never got into politics", and then making statements about what they'd do if they were an elected official. And if you want to hear the results of what you are proposing, just tune in anywhere from 1230 to 1490 kHz at night. This is the result of when protection of nighttime skywave coverage is not taken into consideration. How many stations in this portion of the AM band have a useful coverage radius of greater than 10 or 15 miles at night? Likely not many, especially in the Eastern half of the country. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 20:18:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 04:18:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 11938 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 04:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 04:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 04:18:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 04:18:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 04:17:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6357 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > > > Skywave radio- Does anybody actually use it? > > > > Yes. And you'd be surprised by the numbers-- I figure at least 10% > > of AM radio listeners presently listen to distant radio stations. > > Can you cite any independent sources to back this number up? No; just plenty of experience. > > In some cases, like truck drivers, they have to. > > Why? Truck drivers could easily use satellite radio. Satellite radio has only been available for about a year now, so it's too new for them. Plus, as far as I know, there is no regional/national traffic reports on satellite, which is -why- truckers use AM radio. > > Where I am, in northwestern California, about 250 miles north of San > > Francisco we had a local event happen here in 1992, that ONLY got > > covered by a station in San Francisco- KGO, to be exact. > > What you are really saying is that all of the stations in your local > market dropped the ball on this one. The problem should be fixed at > the source, skywave coverage isn't the answer to that. The logical > extension of your reasoning would be to cancel all existing broadcast > licenses, and simply have one huge LW transmitter in the center of the > country? Yes, the stations here fouled up bigtimed, and only have marginally improved. As for LW, no. You're right that we shouldb't have had to rely on a distant station (we didn't get our first station here until 1946- Prior to that, we were dependent on San Francisco and Portland for ANY radio), but we did- KGO did excellent reporting on the quakes and their aftermath. (They've also been this region's primary source of news concerning the Sund-Pelosi murders and trail.) Besides, LW is primarily groundwave, and carrys better than MW does in terms of groundwave. > > As for Mr. Byrns, I've long given up on him, and still can't > > understand why he even bothers coming here (there are several IBOC > > groups on Yahoo! Groups, including my own "NOtoIBOC" group), and > > perhaps he's be more interested in one of those pro-IBOC groups. > > Actually, IIRC you were the one who sent me here. When I arrived I > found that the discussions here had nothing to do with the reason I > checked the group out, which was AM stereo, and instead the group was > all about IBOC. I figured my opinions on IBOC were as valid as anyone > else's, and after all IBOC is AM stereo for the new millennium. In > any case my comments in the current discussion have nothing to do with > AM stereo, or more specifically IBOC, but rather relate to my opinion > of nighttime skywave service, and after all nighttime skywave is the > subject of this thread which was started by none other than Kevin T. I suggested both AM stereo lists. I otherwise have nothing really to do with this list. If I recall, you also have stated (several times) that you believe AM is an "obsolete" technology. "Obsolete", however, implies a product of superior performance superceding the older technology. Digital has its place, preferably in a system where it has no reliance on an "antiquated" technology, and in conditions best suited for reception. IBOC fails on both counts- It hardly is superior to the older AM and FM technologies (in fact, it's detrimental to both), and doesn't handle interference issues well, necessitating its need to fall back on the analog form. In other words, it just doesn't belong in AM or FM, and might be better suited in its own band(s), perhaps the old "Apex" band around 26MHz, for example. > > (Other than that, thanks for the RCA Review copy- It has proven > > to be of immense help to me, perhaps far more than you could ever > > realize.) > > I'm glad you found the paper useful, when I first sent it to you I > thought you might not find it too useful, as you had said you weren't > into a lot of math. It is a good paper, and covers just about > anything you could want to know about any AM stereo system you could > conceive of, and a few you might not, with the exception of the C- Quam > system. My only disappointment is that they didn't give the circuit > diagram for one of their receivers using a "dynamic diode limiter". > The dynamic diode limiter is a simple enough circuit, but it doesn't > appear easy to make use of it in a consumer type radio, without adding > one more tube than you would like to. Actually, I think it covers C-QUAM, too, as the paper states there are different matrixing techniques (mentioning a double-matrixing technique that I think C-QUAM attempts to do in one circuit), as well as mentioning both cosine correction and negative-modulation limiters, both of which C-QUAM employs where the other 1979/1982 contenders didn't, at the time; Otherwise, correct- It really does go into AM stereo theory quite well, discussing many of the possible permutations. As for the math, yes, I have problems with math, but the language of the document is reasonable enough to explain theory adequately to reasonably comprehend what it aims to explain, which is helpfull. I( think that document should be required reading for anyone interested in the nuts-and-bolts aspect of AM stereo. I think this document explains AM stereo far better than just about every other document, online or in print, that I have eber seen, on how AM stereo systems work. Interestingly, it's one of the earliest documents I've seen that uses computer-aided plotting and prediction-- Not bad for 1960. > > And of course, if you, the general reader of this forum, have made > > it all the way through this, I have a question for all- Well, a > > couple, anyway: > > > > Do you DX? Did you get into AM stereo because of DX, or get into DX > > because of AM stereo? > > I never got into DX, only AM stereo, so the question doesn't really > apply for me. I got into AM stereo because I was/am into radio, and > for one other reason which I will leave for the detectives here figure > out. Actually, you answered the first question satisfactorily for me. As for your "other reason", I'll leave others here to post their own theories- I'm staying out of it, like a good li'l mousie. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From powell@conterra.com Sun Mar 23 20:42:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 04:42:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 50000 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 04:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 04:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 04:42:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 04:42:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 04:42:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c2f1a3$2b827b50$6500a8c0@primary> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3365 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.119 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Johnson" wrote: > I joined this e-mail list because I love radio and I love broadcasting. > I also love politics. And the sad thing is -- given some of the > comments on this list -- broadcasting seems more dirty than politics!!! > > Can't you folks argue a point without being so disagreeable? There's a lot I have to disagree about. I wasn't screaming. I REALLY want to know, seriously But as the > arguments on this list wore on... I've started to become convinced that > the arguments against IBOC are based largely on a longing for "the good > ol' days" and dead analog technologies. Analog is far from dead. And you are dead wrong. As a 21 year old, when you > people start talking about going back to record players instead of > CD's... I start to wonder if you think that a can and string should > replace the telephone! (or in this case, two cans and two string >for analog stereo) No, but the way the record companies are overcompressing CD's sometimes I think 2 cans and 2 strings might sound better, but that's another story. > It seems to me that people like Kerry are on the front lines in making > some dramatic changes to radio that will affect the medium for many > years to come. Not all of these changes will be positive, but > >digital > radio does have some promising points that outweigh the drawbacks. On the MW band WITH the analog in place it's a BIG step backwards. And it's an EXCEPTIONAL interference generator. And with the current amount of stations on the MW band ( around 4800 ) it won't fly. We would need to go back to the pre NARBA ( the 1941 treaty where the entire band was shifted around) of about 1000 stations. And it can't handle the static of a severe thunderstorm. If there's no analog it won't go. BUT it's an exceptionally bad idea to have both. 48K with analog. The VHF band we call FM, with the analog GONE is almost equal, but not quite, in quality to the current FM, but only with no analog. > And, as to not be accused of hating skywave coverage -- my love for > radio BEGAN with DX'ing skywave stations on AM and SW. > " I just wonder > what your real "agenda" IS here, John, seriously? Do you work for > Ibiquity or have lots of stock in it? It seems you are far more "in > the camp" than Kerry is." > > Powell, do you really think this kind of accusation boosts your > argument? It's this kind of personal rhetoric that led me AWAY from the > anti-IBOC camp. I think you owe John an apology. No, I don't, and I really want to seriously know where he stands. And out of curiosity where he works. I work part time for a small town station on 1240, which IBOC effectively puts OFF the air. I am also retired from the phone company. I am going to have to go back to work full time, but I know it can't be in radio. IF IBOC in the present state is rammed down the broadcasters throats I don't have any faith of it surviving. BUT there's REALLY *BIG* money on this. I'm not opposed to digital, but it needs to be on its VERY own band with no analog to reduce the data rate to where it the artifacts make you want to drive over the device you are listening to. I don't want to have to listen to an inferior digital product for 20 more years....I might not live that long. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 20:45:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 04:45:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 87781 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 04:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 04:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 04:45:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 04:45:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 04:45:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3341 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Do you DX? Did you get into AM stereo because of DX, or get into DX > > because of AM stereo? > > It was actually an interest in shortwave and ham radio which > introduced me to AM broadcast band DXing. I happened to read one > book about shortwave and it included a section about AM DXing, with a > list of all the 50 kW clear channel stations. Using just an ordinary > home stereo tuner, I was amazed at how many of them I could pick up. That was similar for me, as I started with shortwave, then to AM DX, and I never looked back. I still enjoy SW/MW DX to this day. :) Stations I would listen to before stereo were KDWN (Las Vegas), KNBR (SF), KGW & KEX (Portland), KFRE (Fresno) and KTWO (Cheyenne or Casper, I forget). Oh, yes- How could I forget- KFI of Los Angeles, too. :) > But I didn't really become a regular listener of AM skywave DX until > a few years later when a family member bought a car that came with an > AM Stereo-equipped radio. Upon discovering this new dimension of > AM radio listening, soon I got an AM Stereo radio for myself, and of > course one of the big attractions was listening to a few of the > nighttime skywave stations playing music in Stereo. For me, I knew about AM stereo, but when I found out my favorite station (KFI) was in stereo, that's when I started looking for an AM stereo radio. Even did the two-receiver ISB trick, too, before I had my SRF-A100. So, in my case, it was a DX station that drew me into AM stereo, over 600 miles away- A station I listened to regularly for nearly a decade. =snip= > If you listen to any 50 kW talk station that has a local call-in show > at night, you'll still hear many out-of-state callers. Even music > stations like 740 CHWO constantly mention getting callers from all > across the continent. Many of these stations are very proud of their > far-reaching skywave signals at night; the USA's most-listened-to > talk station, 770 WABC in New York City, still constantly brags about > their nighttime coverage of "38 states and 7 Canadian provinces". This is true with KGO in San Francisco, which do local talk radio, no network stuff except on weekends. This is also true when a friend of mine streamed WLS (Chicago, in stereo) and WWL (New Orleans) from his receiver in Atlanta, both of which were regularly getting calls hundreds of miles away on their local talk shows. > Analog AM radio is a broadcasting legacy eight decades in the making. > And while it may be antiquated compared to other communications > media, it still has a lot of life left, and many people still depend > on it -- day and night -- so there's no sense in killing it off just > to satisfy the current "digital" fad using an inherently flawed > system. The AM (stereo) technology works quite well for the conditions. And as the old saying goes, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." AM is not broke, but the programming sure is. IBOC doesn't even "fix" the problem[ it isn't a superior technology that could supercede AM- In fact, it just makes things worse by making adjacent channels useless. I'm not anti-digital; it's just not the answer for AM and FM, and should be in its own bands, free of any "legacy" issues. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From powell@conterra.com Sun Mar 23 20:47:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 04:47:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 21054 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 04:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 04:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 04:47:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 04:47:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 04:46:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: More Pictures Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 620 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.119 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > ok Guys I just added more Pictures Of my Gates transmitter To the > > website. for those interested. > > By the way, if you want a Gates "Solid Statesman" FM audio Limiter to > match your transmitter, I have one that's yours for the taking... > even the colors on the front panel match perfectly, and it's in very > good working condition. OOOOH EEE! I have a thinline Volumax and Audimax. Hey Kerry can I have the 9100 for my Collins 32V....??? I expect his kitties will be sharpening claws..... ]:) Powell ( ducking) From powell@conterra.com Sun Mar 23 20:49:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 04:49:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 93970 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 04:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 04:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 04:49:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 04:49:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 04:49:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: More Pictures Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 907 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.119 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman > wrote: > > ok Guys I just added more Pictures Of my Gates transmitter To the > > website. for those interested. > > BTW after removing the transmitter from the Van I had to remove the > > Van From the backyard after it sunk in the soft ground right upto its > > axels..... OUCH... > > Kerry how large a building will I need For that contential > > transmitter??? > > What about power, is three phase power easily available "out in the > country" where you live? I remember some transmitters out in the > country that had to make do with open delta power feeds. > > John Those are only 1 KW jobs so not to worry. And The RCA BTA 250 ( is it L or M) that you plug into a 110 V socket! A VERY pretty 250 watt transmitter like it's 1KW brother. Powell From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Mar 23 20:57:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 04:57:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 81369 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 04:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 04:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 04:57:17 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-41.skyweb.net [66.6.130.169]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2O59abl078575 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 00:09:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3E7E9051.6F7DD5A8@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:57:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More Pictures References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 sounds good to Me... what night would you Like a tour.. Neal "Kevin T." wrote: > > ok Guys I just added more Pictures Of my Gates transmitter To the > > website. for those interested. > > By the way, if you want a Gates "Solid Statesman" FM audio Limiter to > match your transmitter, I have one that's yours for the taking... > even the colors on the front panel match perfectly, and it's in very > good working condition. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From powell@conterra.com Sun Mar 23 21:02:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 05:02:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 38749 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 05:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 05:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 05:02:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 05:02:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 05:02:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6377 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.119 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > > > > I hardly think it is "disingenuous" to say that protected nighttime > > > skywave service in the MW band is a waste of a valuable public > > > resource. Do you even know what the word "disingenuous" means? > > > > I'm sure he certainly does or he wouldn't have used it. > > Well he either doesn't know what it means, or he believes I am not > sincere in my belief that skywave service is a waste of a valuable > public resource. Either way he is mistaken. > > > It is *MY* belief that you have an extreme hatred of any potential > > of skywave listening. > > "Hatred", I wouldn't put it anywhere near that strong, perhaps you > have spent too much time in this group, where emotions seem to run > unnecessarily high. I very tired. Heck 2 hours sleep and can't go to sleep. Lets see what 75 mg of Benydryl does... > > Not to care that opening up the band to let other stations have > > significant power which would then SUBSTANTIALLY erode the useable > > groundwave coverage of these stations, exposing them to horrific > > skywave interference from these other stations > > The main thrust of my plan is not to give stations more night power, > but rather it is to reduce somewhat the required depth of the nulls in > the nighttime patterns of the former class II stations. You keep > saying that eliminating protection of nighttime skywave coverage will > "SUBSTANTIALLY" erode groundwave coverage, yet you haven't given any > evidence of how this would come about? By the increase in skywave interference they would get. By definition the groundwave > would be protected under my plan, that's how my rules would be > written. I am more worried that my rules would not result in the > hoped for loosening of directional patterns of other stations. I think the real worry should be the cheating. And the FCC now knows it's FAR worse than they ever imagined by my reports to the Atlanta office. > > that more than likely do NOT provide ANY **REAL** service > > whatsoever, but just an automated nothing. And you actually think > > that these stations with a slightly more powerful night power are > > going to abide by the power limits and not just run full power? > > Again it is not a matter of more night power, it is simply a matter of > allowing stations to use the power they do have, somewhat more > uniformly across their market area. As far as abiding by the "power > limits", that's a problem now, and I fall to see what it is about my > plan that would make the problem worse? If my plan has any effect at > all on compliance with the rules, I would think it would tend to > increase compliance simply because there would be less to gain by > violating the rules. I think you are very naive in that. The FCC surely was until I started monitoring. > > There IS not going to be any > > enforcement of violations of this nature. It is MY belief that you > > want the MW band so emaciated with interference that IBOC can be > > tossed in there and to heck with the interference, it can't be any > > worse than it is now [ now being the big created mess]. I just > > wonder what your real "agenda" IS here, John, seriously? Do you work > > for Ibiquity or have lots of stock in it? It seems you are far more > > "in the camp" than Kerry is. > My agenda is simply as I have stated it, which is to improve the local > nighttime coverage of some AM stations, and has nothing to do with > IBOC. I think it might indeed give the crippled station some more coverage, but I expect in most cases, not enough to really help but the interference to the others would indeed be great. > > I don't find this to be true. I see varying levels of signals, true, > > but some stations are better than others. I found WCBS ( 880 ) > > coverage of September 11 to be great. The local and network coverage > > offered by the big corporate broadcasters was barely passing. > And WCBS is not a "big corporate broadcaster"? It's the CBS flagship. And the big corporate broadcasters that have C in their name were not very great. > > > Basically I feel that only the ground wave of > > > all stations should be protected at night. > > > > Actually it might protect to the 50 mv under your plan....maybe. > Where does that 50 mV figure come from? My brain. In a lot of cases that's what's really necessary for good coverage in a city. Kerry, I'm sure would love 250,000 watts during the day..... ]:) First I have not stated the > details of my plan, I have only given a simplified version of it to > facilitate understanding. Even under the simplified way I have > described the plan, I don't understand how you come up with this 50 mV > number? The nighttime ground wave of the affected stations is only > implicitly protected under the current rules, and by definition my > plan would explicitly protect the nighttime groundwave coverage of > these stations, to well beyond their 50 mV contour. To say that the > nighttime groundwave coverage would be reduced to the 50 mV contour is > simply a joke, you have given no suggestion how this could happen, > except by the illegal actions of lawless broadcasters, which should be > no worse of a problem under my plan than it is currently. You clearly > don't understand the basic idea of my plan, and feel threatened by the > loss of protected skywave coverage. It would indeed do so, skywave signals do weird things. And as I said, cheating is rampant. Where I plan to move to eventually has NO night time groundwave service.....( and the FM's well ....) There are a lot of places where if you want to listen to skywave it's the only thing. I don't know if even XM works there unless you have to point the dish almost straight up. > > And if you think I'm flaming, I'm not. I'm just wondering out loud > > what the real agenda is here as others have. > > What are you talking about? What is this talk of the real agenda? > The agenda is nothing more nor less than I have said it is. Do you have ANY interests in IBOC or Ibiquity? Powell From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Mar 23 21:02:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 05:02:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 21075 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 05:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 05:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 05:02:44 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-41.skyweb.net [66.6.130.169]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2O5F4bl079577 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 00:15:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3E7E9199.E7EB3A92@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 00:03:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More Pictures References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Powell actually its a RCA BTA-500R 500 watts little Brother to the BTA-1R. all of my transmitters so far are 220V AC.. I wish it was 110Vac.. the Contential is 440Volts 3 phase. Neal w4opw wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman > > wrote: > > > ok Guys I just added more Pictures Of my Gates transmitter To > the > > > website. for those interested. > > > BTW after removing the transmitter from the Van I had to > remove the > > > Van From the backyard after it sunk in the soft ground right > upto its > > > axels..... OUCH... > > > Kerry how large a building will I need For that contential > > > transmitter??? > > > > What about power, is three phase power easily available "out in > the > > country" where you live? I remember some transmitters out in the > > country that had to make do with open delta power feeds. > > > > John > > Those are only 1 KW jobs so not to worry. And The RCA BTA 250 ( is > it L or M) that you plug into a 110 V socket! A VERY pretty 250 watt > transmitter like it's 1KW brother. > > Powell > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 21:05:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 05:05:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 25753 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 05:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 05:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 05:05:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 05:05:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 05:05:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Skywaves and Audio Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1097 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > Of course, if incorrectly configured, or if used on a station that > just has a less than optimal transmitter and/or antenna array, C- Quam > can be a weak link too. But at least it doesn't have serious > *inherent* flaws, and has benefitted from more than 21 years of use > and technical advancement, both on the transmitter side and on the > receiver side. More like 27 years, since C-QUAM was filed for a patent in 1975/1976, of whicg a 1976 aircheck apparently exists, and was involved in the FCC's 1978-1979 evaluations trhat eventually led to their 1980 decision in favor of Magnavox. > This brings up the old question -- if a new technology isn't at least > *as good as* an old technology, then why bother using it? And even > if it offers some genuine improvements, it won't necessarily prevail > -- just ask anybody who ever bought a quadaphonic audio system, a > LaserDisc player, or a can of New Coke. Or DAT, or 8mm video, or Beta, or CED, or.... ....HDTV..... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From powell@conterra.com Sun Mar 23 21:12:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 05:12:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 41421 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 05:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 05:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 05:12:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 05:12:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 05:12:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: More Pictures Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E7E9199.E7EB3A92@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 412 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.119 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > Powell actually its a RCA BTA-500R 500 watts little Brother to the BTA-1R. > all of my transmitters so far are 220V AC.. I wish it was 110Vac.. > the Contential is 440Volts 3 phase. > Neal > > w4opw wrote: I know, but what I was commenting about was the series 2 back. The 250 watter could plug into a regular 110 outlet. Powell From powell@conterra.com Sun Mar 23 21:17:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 05:17:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 94761 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 05:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 05:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 05:17:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 05:17:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 05:17:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Skywaves and Audio Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 747 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.119 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > -- just ask anybody who ever bought a quadaphonic audio system, hush! I still have some of those records. a > > LaserDisc player, or a can of New Coke. A LaserDisc player makes an exceptional CD player. The best....CHERRY RC [RIP!] > Or DAT, or 8mm video, or Beta, or CED, or.... DAT is still used some in professional markets. Hi8 for my storm chasing. Beta failed all because of Sony. If they had marketed it like VHS was , there would not have been a VHS. Beta does survive in a professional format that won't play on consumer units. > ....HDTV..... That will be around. Awhile. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Powell and [mewww!] JK [Julia the Kitty] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 21:36:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 05:36:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 22601 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 05:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 05:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 05:36:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 05:36:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 05:36:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Skywaves and Audio Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1422 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > > -- just ask anybody who ever bought a quadaphonic audio system, > > > hush! I still have some of those records. I haven't had a working turntable since 1986. :P > a > > > LaserDisc player, or a can of New Coke. > > > A LaserDisc player makes an exceptional CD player. If it's a combo-type, yes, with digital sound. That's what I have. It is my second LD player (after the first, all analog LD player died). > The best....CHERRY RC [RIP!] I'll stick to milk or orange juice. :) > > Or DAT, or 8mm video, or Beta, or CED, or.... > > DAT is still used some in professional markets. Hi8 for my storm > chasing. Beta failed all because of Sony. If they had marketed it > like VHS was , there would not have been a VHS. Beta does survive in > a professional format that won't play on consumer units. Yes, but none have caught on as consumer products, or at least are second-fiddle to other formats. (And I meant 8mm video as a -VCR- format, not just camcorders.) > > ....HDTV..... > > That will be around. Awhile. It has not gained much consumer interest, and if it weren't for this forced concersion, it would die rather quickly. > Powell and [mewww!] JK [Julia the Kitty] Careful- Some will think you're nuttier than me. ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Mar 23 22:06:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 06:06:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 14017 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 06:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 06:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 06:06:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 06:06:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:06:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2444 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I never got into DX, only AM stereo, so the question doesn't really > > apply for me. > > If you "never got into DX" then how you can honestly understand both > sides of the argument concerning whether or not nighttime skywave > coverage of the clear channel AM stations should be preserved? I'm not sure why you have to be a "DXer" to appreciate the problems with skywave reception, and the fact that it is essentially useless? Just last night I spent a couple of hours trying to listen to some programming on skywave, proving once again that skywave takes all the fun out of radio listening. > This makes no more sense than somebody saying "I never got into > politics", and then making statements about what they'd do if they > were an elected official. Even the real politicians are always making statements about what they are going to do if they are reelected, but they never do once reelected, so what's the point, that people say they are going to do things that they never end up doing, what's new about that? > And if you want to hear the results of what you are proposing, just > tune in anywhere from 1230 to 1490 kHz at night. This is the result > of when protection of nighttime skywave coverage is not taken into > consideration. How many stations in this portion of the AM band > have a useful coverage radius of greater than 10 or 15 miles at > night? Likely not many, especially in the Eastern half of the > country. You have fallen for Powell's story hook line and sinker. What you are failing to recognize is the difference between protecting the skywave of a station from interference by other stations, and protecting the ground wave of a station from interference caused by the skywave of other stations. My rules would protect a stations ground wave coverage from interference due to the skywave of other stations, it just wouldn't protect the skywave coverage of the station as is now done for the class A stations. It is for this reason that I said my plan may not offer as much relief as I would hope it could, but I figure every little bit helps. Your model of the "graveyard" channels is the wrong one, the protection situation under my rules would be more like that of the former class III stations, but with what amounts to a lower value of field strength for the protected contour. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Mar 23 22:10:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 06:10:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 18634 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 06:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 06:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 06:10:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 06:10:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:10:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: More Pictures Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 800 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman > > wrote: > > > Kerry how large a building will I need For that contential > > > transmitter??? > > > > What about power, is three phase power easily available "out in > the > > country" where you live? I remember some transmitters out in the > > country that had to make do with open delta power feeds. > > > > John > > > Those are only 1 KW jobs so not to worry. And The RCA BTA 250 ( is > it L or M) that you plug into a 110 V socket! A VERY pretty 250 watt > transmitter like it's 1KW brother. I thought we were talking about a 50 kW job, a 317-C something or other? John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 08:26:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 16:26:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 75143 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 16:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 16:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 16:25:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 16:25:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:25:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Skywaves and Audio Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1240 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It has not gained much consumer interest, and if it weren't for > this forced concersion, it would die rather quickly. HDTV is dead. 10 years of hype with no actual product availability will do that to a technology. I had to laugh when I walked into a Circuit City store the other day and saw ALL of the regular analog TVs showing a wide-screen music video squished to fit the regular 4:3 aspect ratio (making everybody on-screen look skinny)... and ALL of the digital widescreen TVs showing a normal analog signal (from CNN) stretched out to fit the 16:9 aspect ratio (making everybody on-screen look fat), complete with awful digital "pixelization" artifacts of course. I have yet to see an actual on-air HDTV broadcast reception demo in an electronics store. The stores around here all run their own closed-loop demos and say "HDTV will look exactly the same as this." Okay, I'm supposed to trust the word of some salesman when buying a $2000 TV set and a $500 set-top HDTV tuner box? That's like buying a new car without test-driving it. p.s. Also, the XM and Sirius satellite radio demos I've heard continue to have awful digital artifacts in the sound. It's like having 100 channels of IBOC at your disposal. From powell@conterra.com Mon Mar 24 09:18:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 17:18:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 28181 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 17:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 17:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-gateway.matrixconsulting.net) (66.112.200.203) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 17:18:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 3441 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 17:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx.matrixconsulting.net) (65.199.24.6) by mx-gateway.matrixconsulting.net with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 17:18:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 13571 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 17:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bsae-skqpk3w8p5) (66.112.193.100) by mx.matrixconsulting.net with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 17:18:20 -0000 Organization: BEARly Organized To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:18:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Skywaves and Audio Samples Message-ID: <3E7EF78B.4738.1A06E7@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1048518620.1399.49574.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: powell@conterra.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW On 24 Mar 2003 at 15:10, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > -> Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 05:36:00 -0000 > From: "amymousie" > Subject: Re: Skywaves and Audio Samples -- just ask anybody who ever bought a quadaphonic audio > system, > > > hush! I still have some of those records. > > I haven't had a working turntable since 1986. :P Ok, then send me all those fantastic records you talk about! > > a > > > > LaserDisc player, or a can of New Coke. Heh! Blue PEPSI is worse. Maybe as a popsicle > > A LaserDisc player makes an exceptional CD player. > > If it's a combo-type, yes, with digital sound. That's what I have. It > is my second LD player (after the first, all analog LD player died). > > > The best....CHERRY RC [RIP!] > I'll stick to milk or orange juice. :) I like milk best but the doctor says myChloesterol ( SP) is too high. > > > Or DAT, or 8mm video, or Beta, or CED, or.... > > > > DAT is still used some in professional markets. Hi8 for my storm > > chasing. Beta failed all because of Sony. If they had marketed it > > like VHS was , there would not have been a VHS. Beta does survive > in > > a professional format that won't play on consumer units. > Yes, but none have caught on as consumer products, or at least are > second-fiddle to other formats. (And I meant 8mm video as a -VCR- > format, not just camcorders.) Beta did, but Sony only licensed it to Sanyo (Zenith) and the rest is history. 8 mm and Hi8 is was more popular than VHC-C. As a home format, no, though I saw a friend's EXCEPTIONAL machine. > > > ....HDTV..... > > > > That will be around. Awhile. > > It has not gained much consumer interest, and if it weren't for this > forced concersion, it would die rather quickly. A lot of stations are just now converting, and the market is new. It took Color TV a good while to take hold. When we bought our 1963 RCA Color TV in the fall of 62, Color TV's were a rarity as was programming. And I still have the TV. > > Powell and [mewww!] JK [Julia the Kitty] > > Careful- Some will think you're nuttier than me. ;) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Powell and [ MEWWW ] JK From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 13:03:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 21:03:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 47303 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 21:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 21:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 21:03:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 21:03:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:03:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC- Oh, dear.. Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 369 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I've been forwarded this: Released: 03/20/2003. IBOC NOTIFICATION PROCEDURES EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. (DA No. 03-831) AM and FM stations implementing digital operations may do so without Special Temporary Authority. Notification is required within 10 days of commencement of digital operations. MB. Contact: Ann Gallagher at (202) 418-2700 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Mon Mar 24 13:55:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 21:55:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 22859 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 21:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 21:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 21:55:50 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OLtm715128 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:55:48 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:55:48 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Skywaves and Audio Samples In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > HDTV is dead. 10 years of hype with no actual product availability > will do that to a technology. > I have yet to see an actual on-air HDTV broadcast reception demo in > an electronics store. I think digital TV will ultimately succeed here - mainly due to widescreen. I have an analog one and love it. Set top boxes (digital TV receivers) used to cost A$1500 here. Lately standard definition (SDTV) ones are available for $300. Many of our own and British programs are already made in half-way-house 14:9 mode and consequently are shown on 4:3 TV in half letterbox mode. The Nine and Ten Networks have amazing dedicated promotional channels featuring fantastic arial views of Bondi Beach and Sydney Habour amongst other views. These are continuously played in most big stores. I believe widescreen is to TV what stereo is to AM. Ian Melbourne From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 14:27:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 22:27:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 53539 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 22:27:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 22:27:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 22:27:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2003 22:27:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:27:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Skywaves and Audio Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1368 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > > > HDTV is dead. 10 years of hype with no actual product availability > > will do that to a technology. > > > I have yet to see an actual on-air HDTV broadcast reception demo in > > an electronics store. > > I think digital TV will ultimately succeed here - mainly due to > widescreen. I have an analog one and love it. I have no doubt HDTV can deliver- It's not hindered by using legacy analog on the same channel, so they're ultimately free to not make compromises. The problem here is a lack of enthusiasm. As I stated, if not for the forced conversion, HDTV would wither and die in this country. The country where digital seems to be a success is the UK. Even Japan has had poor luck in the HDTV/digital department. HDTV, unlike IBOC, could work, and can deliver, but without consumer interest, it's been languishing. Even with the forced conversion just a few short years away from completion, there has been no rush to buy new sets or converters here. In fact, sales of conventional analog TVs have been strong, even to this day. Heck, most people haven't bought into TV -stereo-, with something like 85% of all TVs and VCRs being quite monaural. And they expect consumers to go digital? Hasn't worked yet. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Mar 24 17:00:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 01:00:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 24699 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 01:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 01:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 01:00:36 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-192.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.192]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h2P10Vhp026326 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:00:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001101c2f26a$771f7280$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <3E7E5202.3469DF48@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} More Pictures Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:04:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Dude, I envy you- you actually have time to restore this stuff. Here I have a good sized collection and no time to do anything with it. Wife, kids, and the almost daily commute all conspire against me. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > ok Guys I just added more Pictures Of my Gates transmitter To the > website. for those interested. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Mar 24 17:05:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 01:05:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 94940 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 01:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 01:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 01:05:31 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-192.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.192]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h2P15Rhp027774 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:05:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001901c2f26b$26fe07c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More Pictures Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:09:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It'd be cheaper to get a used 150kW diesel genset. :) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "bta_50g" > What about power, is three phase power easily available "out in the > country" where you live? From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Mar 24 17:13:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 01:13:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 81693 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 01:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 01:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 01:13:35 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-192.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.192]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h2P1DWhp000310 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:13:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002901c2f26c$47d7a5e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:17:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude As does WHO. Apparently skywave listening is still very much alive, even if it isn't what it once was. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > 770 WABC in New York City, still constantly brags about > their nighttime coverage of "38 states and 7 Canadian provinces". From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Mar 24 17:38:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 01:38:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 51180 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 01:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 01:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 01:38:12 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-24.skyweb.net [66.6.130.152]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2P1oXbl007011 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:50:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3E7FB326.937581E5@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:38:46 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} More Pictures References: <3E7E5202.3469DF48@skyweb.net> <001101c2f26a$771f7280$827dfea9@home1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hey Scott free Time what's that????? a few mins here and there.... it slowly gets done. as you can see in the Pics My Kids love helping me out.... Funny thing the Wife is also a ham and She hates radio.. and all my other Hobby's... right Now I am debating on taking a 30K pay cut.... just so I have Steady work... Its one thing making alot per hour but what Good is it when you only work a few weeks a year in that field.???? If we spoke on the phone I would ask you what you would do... Neal Scott Todd wrote: > Dude, I envy you- you actually have time to restore this stuff. Here I have > a good sized collection and no time to do anything with it. Wife, kids, and > the almost daily commute all conspire against me. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Newman" > > > ok Guys I just added more Pictures Of my Gates transmitter To the > > website. for those interested. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Mar 24 17:39:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 01:39:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 44230 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 01:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 01:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 01:38:53 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-24.skyweb.net [66.6.130.152]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2P1pDbl007223 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:51:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3E7FB34E.6CE39736@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:39:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More Pictures References: <001901c2f26b$26fe07c0$827dfea9@home1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 That's Exactly what I am planning On doing.... Scott Todd wrote: > It'd be cheaper to get a used 150kW diesel genset. :) > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bta_50g" > > > What about power, is three phase power easily available "out in the > > country" where you live? > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ai4i@hotmail.com Mon Mar 24 21:10:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai4i@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 05:09:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 80569 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 05:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 05:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 05:09:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:09:47 -0800 Received: from 216.77.208.163 by DAV36.sea2.internal.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 05:09:47 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [ai4i@hotmail.com] To: References: <1048518620.1399.49574.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 637 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:09:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2003 05:09:47.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1B2D0E0:01C2F28C] From: "Joel Wilson" Reply-To: "Joel Wilson" X-Originating-IP: [216.77.208.163] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127893550 X-Yahoo-Profile: ai4ijoel > > > I'm not opposed to digital, but it needs to be on its VERY own band > with no analog to reduce the data rate to where it the artifacts > make you want to drive over the device you are listening to. I don't > want to have to listen to an inferior digital product for 20 more > years....I might not live that long. > > Powell > > > I'm not anti-digital; it's just not the answer for AM and FM, and > should be in its own bands, free of any "legacy" issues. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > Now you're talking. Is there anybody in this group who would have chosen IBOC over Eureka-147? Should we start a discussion on IBOC vs. Eureka-147, or can we all agree that the NAB did the people of this country a terrible disservice by killing Eureka-147? Joel Wilson AI4I ================================= Proud 2-B a pioneering satellite radio subscriber AI4I is always on the trailing edge of technology ================================= From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 21:25:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 05:25:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 57112 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 05:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 05:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 05:25:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2003 05:25:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 05:25:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 637 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 655 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Wilson" wrote: =snip= > Now you're talking. Is there anybody in this group who would have chosen > IBOC over Eureka-147? Not me. I even -own- a E-157 receiver, just in case of any vacation. :) (One of the very few Americans, apparently, who does own one.) > Should we start a discussion on IBOC vs. Eureka-147, or can we all agree > that the NAB did the people of this country a terrible disservice by killing > Eureka-147? I have had alot of issues over the years with the NAB, the principle lobbu to the FCC, responsible for many of the radio woes over the decades. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From powell@conterra.com Mon Mar 24 22:42:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 06:42:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 80784 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 06:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 06:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 06:42:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2003 06:42:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:42:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Skywaves and Audio Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1174 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > It has not gained much consumer interest, and if it weren't for > > this forced concersion, it would die rather quickly. > > HDTV is dead. 10 years of hype with no actual product availability > will do that to a technology. > > I had to laugh when I walked into a Circuit City store the other day > and saw ALL of the regular analog TVs showing a wide-screen music > video squished to fit the regular 4:3 aspect ratio (making everybody > on-screen look skinny)... and ALL of the digital widescreen TVs > showing a normal analog signal (from CNN) stretched out to fit the > 16:9 aspect ratio (making everybody on-screen look fat), complete > with awful digital "pixelization" artifacts of course. But you forget, it IS Circuit City. > I have yet to see an actual on-air HDTV broadcast reception demo in > an electronics store. The stores around here all run their own > closed-loop demos and say "HDTV will look exactly the same as this." The local ZENITH dealer and GOOD TV repair shop has a Zenith HD getting off the air here in little ole Columbia SC.... Powell From powell@conterra.com Mon Mar 24 22:49:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 06:49:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 56338 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 06:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 06:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 06:49:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2003 06:49:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:49:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 637 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1190 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Wilson" wrote: > > > > > > I'm not opposed to digital, but it needs to be on its VERY own band > > with no analog to reduce the data rate to where it the artifacts > > make you want to drive over the device you are listening to. I don't > > want to have to listen to an inferior digital product for 20 more > > years....I might not live that long. > > > > Powell > > > > > > I'm not anti-digital; it's just not the answer for AM and FM, and > > should be in its own bands, free of any "legacy" issues. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > Now you're talking. Is there anybody in this group who would have chosen > IBOC over Eureka-147? > Should we start a discussion on IBOC vs. Eureka-147, or can we all agree > that the NAB did the people of this country a terrible disservice by killing > Eureka-147? > Joel Wilson > AI4I The NAB knew that a Eureka type system would put everyone on an equal coverage footing from the smallest to largest station in a market and the big boys didn't want that. They also used the excuse the military uses those frequencies and wouldn't give them up. NOPE, I am not buying it. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 23:08:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 07:08:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 4217 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 07:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 07:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 07:08:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2003 07:08:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:08:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 637 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 978 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Wilson" > wrote: =snip= > The NAB knew that a Eureka type system would put everyone on an > equal coverage footing from the smallest to largest station in a > market and the big boys didn't want that. They also used the excuse > the military uses those frequencies and wouldn't give them up. > NOPE, I am not buying it. Considering the US Military uses the L-band freqs while they're overseas- where E-147 is in use (yes, I know I typoed in my last post), which they're not even authorized primary service for L-band. The other issue, Powell, the NAB had with E-147, is the cluster system, putting multiple stations on a single multiplex node. (Note: E-147 systems currently use Band III and L-band frequencies, but the E-146 specs don't specify anyt particular band, nor necessitating that they be broadcast clusters.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From powell@conterra.com Mon Mar 24 23:11:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 07:11:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 27724 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 07:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 07:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 07:11:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2003 07:11:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:11:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3396 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > You have fallen for Powell's story hook line and sinker. What you are > failing to recognize is the difference between protecting the skywave > of a station from interference by other stations, and protecting the > ground wave of a station from interference caused by the skywave of > other stations. That's a very good idea in theory. In practice it fails miserably. Why? The Ionosphere is not predictable. So you would have problems and any increase in signal toward the so called protected groundwave would not be protected as good as you would hope. My rules would protect a stations ground wave > coverage from interference due to the skywave of other stations, it > just wouldn't protect the skywave coverage of the station as is now > done for the class A stations. It is for this reason that I said my > plan may not offer as much relief as I would hope it could, but I > figure every little bit helps. Your model of the "graveyard" channels > is the wrong one, the protection situation under my rules would be > more like that of the former class III stations, but with what amounts > to a lower value of field strength for the protected contour. The former class III's like what we call regionals. Their USEFUL nightime range now IN MOST of their cities of licenses is horribly eroded. Example is the old WFBC 1330 in Greenville SC. 5000 watts day and night but 3 tower DA and the signal's main lobe goes right down US 276 and the part that is now I-385 toward I-26 I use to be able to follow it 35 miles down the path, before it got all messed up and started getting interfered with enough to make me find something else...and also the dreaded selective fading. NOW in the main lobe, at Mauldin where it used to be fine, I hear all kinds of other stations and at Fountain Inn ( still part of the metro area) the signal is useless. At Greer SC halfway between Greenville and Spartanburg there are NO useful signals at about 10 miles from these signals in minor lobes, that used to be listenable in the mid 70's. This comes mainly from all those daytimers getting flea power and some of them not using it, but more. On 1600 I regularly hear 3 or 4 stations on top of each other that should have less than a handful of watts, and I expect from signal levels they never dropped power at all. The 810 in the Nashville are just got another $10,000 fine for not reducing power to 6 watts but leaving it up on the 5000 watt level. WBIC in Royston GA thinks a daytimer doesn't have to sign off. WBCA 1110 in Bay Minette, AL stays on 10,000 watts many nights and doesn't honor critical hours either. Word is they may be getting another NAL. And this is just a scratch in the surface of this problem. Since enforecement is next to none, the incentive to cheat is great. And if we do John's plan it takes away the ablility to find out what is going on if there was a MAJOR national catastrophe , and allows more government control over what gets out. IBOC gives total control, as no distant reception is possible. Conspiracy? NO, just remember the far right AND far left lick their chops over the thought of not allowing us free flow of information. Remember, the more complicated they make the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain! > John From powell@conterra.com Mon Mar 24 23:14:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 07:14:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 71257 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 07:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 07:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 07:14:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2003 07:14:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:14:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 637 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 599 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > The other issue, Powell, the NAB had with E-147, is the cluster > system, putting multiple stations on a single multiplex node. And it puts EVERYONE on an equal footing and that could not be allowed. The big corporate broadcasters wouldn't allow that, just like the way LPFM should have been. > (Note: E-147 systems currently use Band III and L-band frequencies, > but the E-146 specs don't specify anyt particular band, nor > necessitating that they be broadcast clusters.) > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ OK. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 00:04:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 08:04:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 70691 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 08:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 08:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 08:04:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2003 08:04:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:04:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 637 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 859 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > The other issue, Powell, the NAB had with E-147, is the cluster > > system, putting multiple stations on a single multiplex node. > And it puts EVERYONE on an equal footing and that could not be > allowed. The big corporate broadcasters wouldn't allow that, just > like the way LPFM should have been. Interesting, considering these same corporate broadcasters like to cluster together their ownerships of multiple stations in the same market. Makes no sense. (Also, E-147, in the cluster system that's used, could easily prevent the equivalent of LPFM by controlling who's allowed to broadcast in a multiplex and who won't, since they can control who could rent a channel or not.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Mar 25 05:28:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 13:28:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 60408 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 13:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 13:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 13:28:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2003 13:28:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:28:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Eureka 147 L-Band DAB Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2575 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Walking into the Radio Shack in the downtown Mall below where I work, I noticed that they had a video on, promoting DAB. Supposedly DAB will be coming to Atlantic Canada later this year - specifically the little big city, e.g. Halifax. Interestingly enough, this will just be FM stations simulcasting on DAB in Halifax for now - CJCH, CHNS and CFDR [aka KIXX - the CRTC should make this identifier illegal, as it promotes confusion]are not on the list as yet. Halifax has developed enough of a concrete jungle to justify DAB on a reception basis. The local AMers seem to be able to punch through, perhaps due to the salt water of Halifax harbour compensating for the very rocky soil with poor ground conductivity. But, the FMers sputter quite a bit in the downtown. Out in suburbia and boxstoreland, the FM is fine. Here in PEI, with relatively good ground conductivity, flat ground with the occassional rolling hills, DAB is needed as much as a fleet of snowplows in Miami. Both AM and FM work very well. On island reception on the eastern and western tips of PEI is poor simply because the transmitter sites - AM and FM, are so far away. Thus, my contention that DAB has its place as a third "concrete jungle" band, leaving FM the preferred choice for urban and suburban coverage and AM the preferred choice for regional coverage. The only benefit I can see from IBOC is to reach the concrete jungle by day - but there is a better way, and that's DAB. Skywave is unpredictable - I can enjoy 7 nights of virtually flawless rception of 1520 WWKB, then get a night where I can't pick them up at all. I can be sitting in the parking lot of Sobeys, engine running, listening to WTTM in flawless stereo, enjoying some East Indian Dance Club Music [hey, it sure beats Britney!]but when I come back with a litre of soymilk and a squezzie bottle of mustard, its gone. This is way past power change time, so its not that. Its simply our good old friend the ionosphere at work. You would be surprised how many ordinary people DX, though they don't call it that. They call it listening to their old hometown, catching the away game etc. I recall in the 70s and early 80s teenagers DXing CJCH [AM] and CIOO [FM - there was a big run on those 175 mile Yagis at radio Shack in those days]. Streaming audio on computers could have killed this, but for the RIAA, SOCAN etc. etc. And, most folks I know don't have a computer hooked to the internet in their car - yet. Skywave is both a curse and a blessing for AM radio. Phil R. From jim@burgan.net Tue Mar 25 07:15:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 15:15:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 61378 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 15:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 15:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iquest2.iquest.net) (206.246.180.13) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 15:15:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 13285 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 15:14:20 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by iquest2.iquest.net with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 15:14:20 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-126.iquest.net [209.43.58.126]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.2-CR) with SMTP id ACL49076; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:14:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003201c2f2e1$35e86020$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Skywaves and Audio Samples Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:14:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > It has not gained much consumer interest, and if it weren't for > > this forced concersion, it would die rather quickly. > > HDTV is dead. 10 years of hype with no actual product >availability > will do that to a technology. I totally agree. Another problem is that the new HDTV stations are of such low power that they are not available outside of the metro area. Most of the ADI goes unserviced. Another problem is that Cable-TV bandwidth (even on all digital systems) is of such a premium that they aren't about to waste it on HDTV, which has little of no demand. I have a Dish 500 system and they only offer a couple of HDTV channels (Discovery HD and HBO) that I am aware of and when I called to inquire they say they are getting little or no feedback regarding offering more HDTV product. > I had to laugh when I walked into a Circuit City store the other >day > and saw ALL of the regular analog TVs showing a wide-screen music > video squished to fit the regular 4:3 aspect ratio (making >everybody > on-screen look skinny)... and ALL of the digital widescreen TVs > showing a normal analog signal (from CNN) stretched out to fit the > 16:9 aspect ratio (making everybody on-screen look fat), complete > with awful digital "pixelization" artifacts of course. Same thing at Sam Club... They have a great selection of 16x9 HDTV's but they are all tuned to FOX News and they are in 16x9 mode and everything is squished. Not exactly a great way to market their product. The analogy between HDTV and IBOC is a good one... at least HDTV is offered on separate channels and offers on reduction in service to analog stations. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 07:44:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 15:44:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 7430 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 15:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 15:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 15:44:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2003 15:44:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:44:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Skywaves and Audio Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c2f2e1$35e86020$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1516 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The analogy between HDTV and IBOC is a good one... Another factor here in the New York City area is that for obvious reasons, since the Fall of 2001, all of the FM and TV transmitters have had to coexist on the top of the Empire State Building, and there is simply no room or electrical power to spare to set up new transmitters for Digital TV and IBOC-FM. In fact, this alone may be significant enough to cause the mandated 2006 conversion date for TV stations to be pushed back, because as long as not all of the NYC TV stations are putting out digital signals, people aren't going to be buying DTV tuner boxes (even *if* they're already buying digital-capable TV sets, on which to watch their Progressive Scan DVDs)... and you can't exactly force all TV stations to convert to digital when nobody has DTV-equipped TV sets in their homes. The U.K. had nearly a *two-decade* transition phase when they introduced a color TV system (625-line PAL) that wasn't compatible with existing (405-line) black & white receivers -- PAL color went on the air in 1967, but the last B&W stations didn't go off the air until about 1985 or 1986! Of course, it is unrealistic to expect such a long transition phase as we move from analog NTSC to digital SDTV/HDTV broadcasts -- but, considering the massive existing equipment base, the sales of analog TV sets that aren't even slowing down yet, and the thousands of TV stations that have yet to put digital signals on the air, we just might need it! From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Mar 25 08:12:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 16:12:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 24665 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 16:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 16:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 16:12:33 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:12:33 -0700 Message-ID: <003801c2f2e9$565359c0$0701010a@keva> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Eureka 147 L-Band DAB Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:12:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Couldn't have said it better myself, Phil. It's just the "nature of the beast". Whether broadcasting digital hash, or analog audio, night-time is still going to be a mess. It's just a property of "AM at night". I think the digital should be limited to daytime only. I think the Eureka 147 DAB is a good idea too.....then it's not messing up something that's already there. Then again....look at Canada. Are the receivers flying off the shelves?? Were Canadians just BEGGING for digital?? Nope. Are we? Nope. Honestly....if the price wasn't so huge, I could honestly see some new radios hitting the shelves and cars.....3-band radios. AM / FM / E147. It still all seems like a "push" that they're trying to "push" on us, and we never asked for it. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Rafuse To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:28 AM Subject: {AMSF} Eureka 147 L-Band DAB Skywave is both a curse and a blessing for AM radio. Phil R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Mar 25 10:10:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 18:10:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 64239 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 18:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 18:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 18:10:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2003 18:10:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:10:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Skywaves and Audio Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1011 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" < krichards@w...> wrote: > Re: Skywaves > > Many stations use skywave/secondary coverage very nicely to serve a > large area of listeners and make money at it. With the terrain on the > West Coast AM Radio is vital to the area. KCBS is an excellent > example. KCBS is an excellent example? I am only familiar with KCBS to the extent that I know it is a class B station, and as such it doesn't have a protected secondary service area. I believe it was also one of the former class II stations, some of which don't even have full protection of a normal primary service area. The former class II rules were too convoluted for mere mortals to understand though, or at least I don't claim to understand them. In the case if KCBS, it wouldn't surprise me if they do have some unprotected secondary coverage via skywave. Does anyone know what sort of skywave coverage KCBS has on a fairly regular, and reliable, interference free basis? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Mar 25 10:15:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 18:15:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 61860 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 18:15:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 18:15:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 18:15:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2003 18:15:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:15:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3576 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > You have fallen for Powell's story hook line and sinker. What you > are > > failing to recognize is the difference between protecting the > skywave > > of a station from interference by other stations, and protecting > the > > ground wave of a station from interference caused by the skywave > of > > other stations. > > That's a very good idea in theory. In practice it fails miserably. > Why? The Ionosphere is not predictable. So you would have problems > and any increase in signal toward the so called protected groundwave > would not be protected as good as you would hope. The Ionosphere was not so unpredictable that the former class III stations couldn't be protected from skywave interference, as they ostensibly still are. Where is the problem? It is probably true that under my plan for the "clear channels", the signals from other stations towards the still protected groundwave contours of the class A stations could not be increased as much as I would like, but you have to start somewhere. Another aspect of my plan is to drastically reduce the number of licensed stations in the AM band, but doing this directly is fraught with political problems. > The former class III's like what we call regionals. Their USEFUL > nightime range now IN MOST of their cities of licenses is horribly > eroded. Example is the old WFBC 1330 in Greenville SC. 5000 watts > day and night but 3 tower DA and the signal's main lobe goes right > down US 276 and the part that is now I-385 toward I-26 I use to be > able to follow it 35 miles down the path, before it got all messed > up and started getting interfered with enough to make me find > something else...and also the dreaded selective fading. NOW in the > main lobe, at Mauldin where it used to be fine, I hear all kinds of > other stations and at Fountain Inn ( still part of the metro area) > the signal is useless. At Greer SC halfway between Greenville and > Spartanburg there are NO useful signals at about 10 miles from these > signals in minor lobes, that used to be listenable in the mid 70's. > This comes mainly from all those daytimers getting flea power and > some of them not using it, but more. On 1600 I regularly hear 3 or 4 > stations on top of each other that should have less than a handful > of watts, and I expect from signal levels they never dropped power > at all. The 810 in the Nashville are just got another $10,000 fine > for not reducing power to 6 watts but leaving it up on the 5000 watt > level. WBIC in Royston GA thinks a daytimer doesn't have to sign > off. WBCA 1110 in Bay Minette, AL stays on 10,000 watts many nights > and doesn't honor critical hours either. Word is they may be getting > another NAL. And this is just a scratch in the surface of this > problem. Since enforecement is next to none, the incentive to cheat > is great. Everything you say above about the former class III channels also applies to the "clear channels", on which the former class II stations operate. Many of these stations are daytime stations that now have "flea power" nighttime authorizations, just as stations on the regional channels do, so the problem is not unique to the regional channels. The problem with lawlessness, and lack of enforcement of the rules has nothing to do with my plan, and I don't see why it would be any worse under my plan, than it is under the current rules. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Mar 25 10:17:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 18:17:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 77036 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 18:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 18:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 18:17:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2003 18:17:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:17:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Eureka 147 L-Band DAB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 250 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: > > Skywave is both a curse and a blessing for AM radio. That may have been true at one time, but for a long time now skywave has been only a curse for AM radio. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 15:48:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 23:48:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 29319 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 23:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 23:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 23:48:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2003 23:48:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:48:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2623 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 207.200.161.218 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The Ionosphere was not so unpredictable that the former class III > stations couldn't be protected from skywave interference, as they > ostensibly still are. ...Only if the USA was the only country using the AM band at night, which it isn't. What you are suggesting would require changes to tens of thousands of AM stations across the entire Western Hemisphere. The international agreements involved in constructing this scheme would be a major political headache, not to mention the technical headaches involved for both broadcasters and listeners. > The problem with lawlessness, and lack of enforcement of the rules > has nothing to do with my plan, and I don't see why it would be any > worse under my plan, than it is under the current rules. It would unquestionably be worse because you'd be affecting things on an international scale. One problem spot for decades has been Cuba, with high-power transmitters purposely interfereing with U.S. 50 kW stations in order to block these signals from being received by Cuban listeners. Especially during summer months, the skywaves carry these signals well up the Eastern coast of the USA, enough to be heard on Clear and Regional channels across the dial. For example, when 570 WMCA in New York City is off the air for maintenance at night, "Radio Reloj" from Cuba can be clearly received at WMCA's own transmitter site! 710 WOR has also suffered significant interference from a co- channel Cuban station (whose purpose on the air is to block out Miami's 710 WAQI, but whose actual signal reach extends much farther). Your plan would take the two 50 kW stations on a particular clear channel and replace it with, say, 20 stations across the country. In this case, you've just increased the number of stations receiving this international interference by ten times -- not to mention the mutual interference caused by AM stations within the USA's own territory. You might not believe this to be such a significant issue, but the next time you hear a strange Spanish language station causing interference at night, there's a good chance this station isn't anywhere in the USA, especially if you're along the Gulf or East Coast. The only part of your "plan" that I agree with is the goal of thinning out the number of on-air stations on the AM band by at least several hundred, if not several thousand. Sure, numerous "good" AM stations would be lost, but for every one of these, there are several truly worthless stations, such as those which do nothing except simulcast a local FM station or the TV audio of CNN Headline News. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 16:16:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 00:16:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 72689 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 00:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 00:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 00:16:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2003 00:16:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:16:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 810 WMGC fined $10k Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 867 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 207.200.161.218 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com.... note that WMGC is a Spanish language station licensed for 5000 watts daytime and 6 watts (whooo!) nighttime, both non-directional. I say, in additon to the fine, shouldn't WMGC's nighttime authorization be revoked, so that they return to being a strictly daytime-only station? That's one less useless signal to clutter up the band at night. WMGC Fined $10,000 The commission has fined Radio 810 Nashville, Inc, licensee of WMGC (AM), Murfreesboro, Tenn., $10,000 for a variety of technical rule violations. In its order, the FCC stated the station failed to maintain properly calibrated indicating instruments, did not stop broadcasting when told to and exceeded its authorized power level after sunset. The agency said the station didn't respond to the initial Notice of Apparent Liability, so it has reaffirmed the fine. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 16:18:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 00:18:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 48933 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 00:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 00:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 00:18:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2003 00:18:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:18:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1010 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.176 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > The only part of your "plan" that I agree with is the goal of > thinning out the number of on-air stations on the AM band by at least > several hundred, if not several thousand. Sure, numerous "good" AM > stations would be lost, but for every one of these, there are several > truly worthless stations, such as those which do nothing except > simulcast a local FM station or the TV audio of CNN Headline News. I don't think even a reduction of stations is necessary; I would rather see all stations EXCEPT designated "clear channel" and major regional stations be reduced to a -maximum- of 5kW ERP, except in the contentious region of Florida, due to the Cuban interference. This would mutually reduce interference between stations, and, in my opinion, bring back some sanity to the AM band. I think this up-the- ante power increase scheme going on has the same origin as the loudness wars. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Mar 25 16:38:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 00:38:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 38825 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 00:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 00:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf38bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 00:38:19 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.158.120.26]) by imf38bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030326004023.IPOL15558.imf38bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:40:23 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c2f330$00d67670$af78fea9@juan> To: Subject: OT: 1610 Pirate Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:38:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Suspected Pirate station on 1610, playing Pams Jingles....calling themselves KQB, with a south Florida Area code. Oldies, lots of reverb with a puking announcer. Anybody else hear this ? Juan Fort Pierce, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Mar 25 16:59:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 00:59:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 8677 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 00:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 00:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 00:59:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2003 00:59:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:59:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 864 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.165 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > You might not believe this to be such a significant issue, but the > next time you hear a strange Spanish language station causing > interference at night, there's a good chance this station isn't > anywhere in the USA, especially if you're along the Gulf or East > Coast. > I used to get good skywave from 820 WBAP. I'm just outside of their fringe coverage area. Now I get bad co-channel interference from a Spanish station. The frequency is only off by a coulpe of Hz and I get bad undulation of the AGC not to mention that the decoder won't go into stereo most of the time. There used to not be this kind of interference to WBAP but it seems like this might be a new high power station located on the gulf coast in Mexico or S. America for it to skip across the gulf. JSG From don@idpt.com Tue Mar 25 19:14:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: don@idpt.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 03:14:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 23960 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 03:14:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 03:14:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ohsmtp02.ogw.rr.com) (65.24.7.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 03:14:55 -0000 Received: from primary (cpe-024-024-118-111.midsouth.rr.com [24.24.118.111]) by ohsmtp02.ogw.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h2Q3EngO007909 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:14:52 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:14:53 -0600 Message-ID: <002101c2f345$e0b27540$6500a8c0@primary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: From: "Don Johnson" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=32705644 X-Yahoo-Profile: htmldon With only 6 watts, wouldn't it be more hurtful to the station to allow it to continue wasting money broadcasting at night :) I can hardly receive the 1,000 watt local stations at night around here higher in the band.. I can't imagine how bad 6 watts would be. ______________ Don Johnson don@idpt.com -----Original Message----- From: amymousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:19 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > The only part of your "plan" that I agree with is the goal of > thinning out the number of on-air stations on the AM band by at least > several hundred, if not several thousand. Sure, numerous "good" AM > stations would be lost, but for every one of these, there are several > truly worthless stations, such as those which do nothing except > simulcast a local FM station or the TV audio of CNN Headline News. I don't think even a reduction of stations is necessary; I would rather see all stations EXCEPT designated "clear channel" and major regional stations be reduced to a -maximum- of 5kW ERP, except in the contentious region of Florida, due to the Cuban interference. This would mutually reduce interference between stations, and, in my opinion, bring back some sanity to the AM band. I think this up-the- ante power increase scheme going on has the same origin as the loudness wars. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 22:25:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 06:25:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 82993 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 06:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 06:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 06:25:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2003 06:25:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:25:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "flea power"/"peanut whistle" nighttime AM stations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c2f345$e0b27540$6500a8c0@primary> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1489 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > With only 6 watts, wouldn't it be more hurtful to the station to > allow it to continue wasting money broadcasting at night :) I can > hardly receive the 1,000 watt local stations at night around here > higher in the band.. I can't imagine how bad 6 watts would be. There are AM stations licensed to use as little as 1 watt at night. And it's the cumulate effect of all these useless "flea power" (a.k.a. "peanut whistle") signals that can be quite disastrous. It's similar to the situation that astronomers face with "light pollution" at night -- one street lamp glowing by itself might not make any real difference, but when you have a whole city full of them on at night, the resulting haze upon the sky can adversely affect visibility of the stars through telescopes or even to the naked eye (if there's going to be a meteor shower, you have to be in an area of low "light pollution" to see it the best). (By the way, yellowish-orange street lamps aimed downwards create the least amount of "light pollution", but unfortunately wreak havoc with the way colors appear to your eyes, produce an annoyingly loud humming/buzzing sound when in use, and often fall into a failure mode where they alternately "warm up" and glow for a few minutes at a time, over and over again.) Anyway, about low-power AM stations again... this also reminds me of the running joke about the TV station with the call letters KLEP -- which reportedly stand for "K-Lacking Enough Power". From powell@conterra.com Tue Mar 25 22:29:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 06:29:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 71258 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 06:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 06:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 06:29:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2003 06:29:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:29:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 716 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.109 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > I used to get good skywave from 820 WBAP. I'm just outside of their > fringe coverage area. Now I get bad co-channel interference from a > Spanish station. The frequency is only off by a coulpe of Hz and > I get bad undulation of the AGC not to mention that the decoder > won't go into stereo most of the time. There used to not be this > kind of interference to WBAP but it seems like this might be a new > high power station located on the gulf coast in Mexico or S. America > for it to skip across the gulf. > > JSG Don't forget the Cuban jammer on 82-. Powell From powell@conterra.com Tue Mar 25 22:32:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 06:32:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 58054 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 06:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 06:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 06:32:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2003 06:32:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:32:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "flea power"/"peanut whistle" nighttime AM stations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 337 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.109 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > Anyway, about low-power AM stations again... this also reminds me of > the running joke about the TV station with the call letters KLEP -- > which reportedly stand for "K-Lacking Enough Power". WLOS-TV for Lots of Snow....( stands for Land Of [the] Sky Powell From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 22:36:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 06:36:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 32084 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 06:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 06:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 06:36:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2003 06:36:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:36:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Off-topic: CD vs. LP Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 864 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It has been a controversial issue for decades for people to compare the sound quality offered by CDs and LP records. Well, I finally came across an instance myself where the LP version of an album is both subjectively and *objectively* superior to the CD version -- in this case, Pink Floyd's "The Dark Side of the Moon", with the original 1973 LP as compared to the new hybrid CD/SACD that was just released this week ($11.99 at Best Buy) -- including audio samples: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/cd-vs-lp To sum it up, don't waste your money on this CD, unless perhaps if you have a SACD player and would like to hear it in 5.1-channel surround sound. Otherwise, on an ordinary CD player, the existing "regular" CD release of "The Dark Side of the Moon" will probably do a much better job at coming close to the quality of the original LP. From powell@conterra.com Tue Mar 25 22:44:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 06:44:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 47030 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 06:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 06:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 06:44:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2003 06:44:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:44:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1447 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.109 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW This editor sucks...anyway, I tried to straighten out the lines. > Everything you say above about the former class III channels also > applies to the "clear channels", on which the former class II >stations operate. > Many of these stations are daytime stations that now have > "flea power" nighttime authorizations, just as stations on the > regional channels do, so the problem is not unique to the regional > channels. But it is different. Some of these regional frequencies have well more than 30 stations with flea power. 1330 is fairly low with flea powers. BUT 18 stations on that weren't with powers from 17 watts to 97 watts. 1590 has 32 stations with flea power. Flea power is a power level at night less than 250 watts. Noise level makes it unuseable for some stations in city grade for many full time powered-at-night stations that used to cover the whole city. As for the full powered I's and II's (old rating) there's not all this flea powered stuff all over the place. > The problem with lawlessness, and lack of enforcement of the rules >has nothing to do with my plan, and I don't see why it would be any >worse under my plan, than it is under the current rules. John, TECHNICALLY it doesn't but it actually does. When WBCA stayed on at night, I emailed the PD of WBT as well as Fred at the Atlanta FCC office. I hear there is getting ready to be some big enforcement action.... ]:) Powell From ai4i@hotmail.com Wed Mar 26 03:06:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai4i@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 11:06:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 3349 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 11:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 11:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.17) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 11:06:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:06:11 -0800 Received: from 216.77.218.67 by DAV45.sea2.internal.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:06:09 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [ai4i@hotmail.com] To: References: <1048613605.771.21838.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Please Charge More! Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:06:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2003 11:06:11.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[B58A7600:01C2F387] From: "Joel Wilson" Reply-To: "Joel Wilson" X-Originating-IP: [216.77.218.67] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127893550 X-Yahoo-Profile: ai4ijoel > > p.s. Also, the XM and Sirius satellite radio demos I've heard > continue to have awful digital artifacts in the sound. It's like > having 100 channels of IBOC at your disposal. > > Satellite radio is a bigger improvement over terrestrial radio than any form of terrestrial radio has been over any other form of terrestrial radio for four reasons. The sound quality is far above any analogue system if only for the fact that it is not processed for maximum loudness. With so many genres from which to choose, the struggle is always having to choose which channel will suit the mood best, not which will disrupt it least. All of SIRIUS's music channels are completely commercial free; half of XM's are, the other half have no more than 5 minutes/hour. This is basically enhanced underwritting. I pay for it, and not nearly enough. Joel Wilson Hello Taxi AI4I ================================= Proud 2-B a pioneering satellite radio subscriber AI4I is always on the trailing edge of technology ================================= From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Mar 26 03:34:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 11:34:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 65650 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 11:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 11:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 11:34:05 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:31:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c2f38b$9cb18ac0$0d01a8c0@Chris1> To: References: <1048613605.771.21838.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Please Charge More! Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:34:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I agree 100%. The sound is fine, the selection of music is great. I have two XM radios, and they run all day long- I leave one at home for my parents, and keep one with me for the car and the shop. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilson" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:06 AM Subject: {AMSF} Please Charge More! > Satellite radio is a bigger improvement over terrestrial radio than any form > of terrestrial radio has been over any other form of terrestrial radio for > four reasons. > The sound quality is far above any analogue system if only for the fact that > it is not processed for maximum loudness. > With so many genres from which to choose, the struggle is always having to > choose which channel will suit the mood best, not which will disrupt it > least. > All of SIRIUS's music channels are completely commercial free; half of XM's > are, the other half have no more than 5 minutes/hour. This is basically > enhanced underwritting. > I pay for it, and not nearly enough. > > Joel Wilson > Hello Taxi > AI4I From jim@burgan.net Wed Mar 26 05:18:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 13:18:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 96179 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 13:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 13:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iquest2.iquest.net) (206.246.180.13) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 13:18:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 6885 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 13:18:21 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by iquest2.iquest.net with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 13:18:21 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-57.iquest.net [209.43.58.57]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.2-CR) with SMTP id ACM47778; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:18:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005001c2f39a$2c0abe90$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:18:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >It would unquestionably be worse because you'd be affecting things on >an international scale. One problem spot for decades has been Cuba, >with high-power transmitters purposely interfereing with U.S. 50 kW >stations in order to block these signals from being received by Cuban >listeners. Especially during summer months, the skywaves carry these >signals well up the Eastern coast of the USA, enough to be heard on >Clear and Regional channels across the dial. For example, when 570 >WMCA in New York City is off the air for maintenance at night, "Radio >Reloj" from Cuba can be clearly received at WMCA's own transmitter >site! 710 WOR has also suffered significant interference from a co- >channel Cuban station (whose purpose on the air is to block out >Miami's 710 WAQI, but whose actual signal reach extends much farther). Another frequent target of Radio Havana is WHAS... Frequently Havana broadcasts on 840 kHz with so much power I can hear the Cuban broadcast under WHAS 60 miles from the WHAS TX site. In Georgia and Florida, WHAS is virtually unlistenable when Havana is on the air on 840 kHz. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jim@burgan.net Wed Mar 26 05:42:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 13:42:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 23843 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 13:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 13:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iquest2.iquest.net) (206.246.180.13) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 13:42:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 29989 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 13:41:58 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by iquest2.iquest.net with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 13:41:58 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-57.iquest.net [209.43.58.57]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.2-CR) with SMTP id ACM49533; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:41:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005701c2f39d$78afd700$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 810 WMGC fined $10k Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:41:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From www.radioworld.com.... note that WMGC is a Spanish language >station licensed for 5000 watts daytime and 6 watts (whooo!) >nighttime, both non-directional. I say, in additon to the fine, >shouldn't WMGC's nighttime authorization be revoked, so that they >return to being a strictly daytime-only station? That's one less >useless signal to clutter up the band at night. I question whether flea-powered stations with less than 25 watts should even have nighttime authorization. I wonder about the coverage of WMGC with 6 watts on 810. Even though 810 is an American Clear channel, the noise platform is high in central Tennessee and I doubt if 6 watts can be heard more than a mile or so from the transmitter site. On the other hand, a local daytimer running with 13 watts on 1010 (a Canadian Clear) doesn't do too badly except in December and January when the nights are long and skywave from CFRB and WINS can be heard at noon. Yet I know other daytimers on regional frequencies using nearly a hundred watts at night with less coverage than our local 13 watter so my theory doesn't really hold much water. I guess my main point is that many (much more than most people would think) stay on daytime power after sunset. During Oct and Nov many flea powered station stay on high power for the local High Scholl football game. I have heard this many times while DX'ing on Friday nights here in Indiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jim@burgan.net Wed Mar 26 05:54:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 13:54:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 47055 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 13:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 13:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iquest2.iquest.net) (206.246.180.13) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 13:54:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 14025 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 13:54:37 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by iquest2.iquest.net with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 13:54:37 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-57.iquest.net [209.43.58.57]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.2-CR) with SMTP id ACM50412; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:54:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006101c2f39f$3cc9c140$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Psuedo Call Letter meanings Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:54:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Anyway, about low-power AM stations again... this also reminds me of >the running joke about the TV station with the call letters KLEP -- >which reportedly stand for "K-Lacking Enough Power". >WLOS-TV for Lots of Snow....( stands for Land Of [the] Sky A couple of local humorous interpretations: WTTV Channel 4 Indianapolis, a long-time independent station carrying leave It To Beaver and Andy Griffith reruns for years before affiliating with WB: W(hat) T(erriffic) TV (television) (sarcastically). And WCSI in Columbus Indiana (back in their Top 40 days going up against WIFE, WAKY, WLS, WCFL etc): W(e) C(an't) S(tand) I(it). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From don@idpt.com Wed Mar 26 06:42:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: don@idpt.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 14:42:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 28293 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 14:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 14:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ohsmtp02.ogw.rr.com) (65.24.7.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 14:42:04 -0000 Received: from primary (cpe-024-024-118-111.midsouth.rr.com [24.24.118.111]) by ohsmtp02.ogw.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h2QEfugO007314 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:42:03 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} 810 WMGC fined $10k Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:41:57 -0600 Message-ID: <001201c2f3a5$e0771850$6500a8c0@primary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005701c2f39d$78afd700$9802a8c0@jimspc> From: "Don Johnson" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=32705644 X-Yahoo-Profile: htmldon I LOVE Radio Locator... I have no clue whether its even remotely accurate, but hey - the maps are so much fun :) http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WMGC&service=AM&status=L&h ours=N It really doesn't make a lot of sense for that station to be on at night with so little power. They are a Spanish station that targets Nashville. According to RL, they hardly reach it during the day -- and don't even get close at night. My question to the engineers: might more directional set-ups for stations like this help reduce the overall "hum" on the band? ______________ Don Johnson don@idpt.com -----Original Message----- From: Jim Burgan [mailto:jim@burgan.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 7:42 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 810 WMGC fined $10k >From www.radioworld.com.... note that WMGC is a Spanish language >station licensed for 5000 watts daytime and 6 watts (whooo!) >nighttime, both non-directional. I say, in additon to the fine, >shouldn't WMGC's nighttime authorization be revoked, so that they >return to being a strictly daytime-only station? That's one less >useless signal to clutter up the band at night. I question whether flea-powered stations with less than 25 watts should even have nighttime authorization. I wonder about the coverage of WMGC with 6 watts on 810. Even though 810 is an American Clear channel, the noise platform is high in central Tennessee and I doubt if 6 watts can be heard more than a mile or so from the transmitter site. On the other hand, a local daytimer running with 13 watts on 1010 (a Canadian Clear) doesn't do too badly except in December and January when the nights are long and skywave from CFRB and WINS can be heard at noon. Yet I know other daytimers on regional frequencies using nearly a hundred watts at night with less coverage than our local 13 watter so my theory doesn't really hold much water. I guess my main point is that many (much more than most people would think) stay on daytime power after sunset. During Oct and Nov many flea powered station stay on high power for the local High Scholl football game. I have heard this many times while DX'ing on Friday nights here in Indiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ai4i@hotmail.com Wed Mar 26 09:44:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai4i@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 17:44:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 86070 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 17:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 17:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 17:44:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:44:36 -0800 Received: from 216.77.212.163 by DAV24.sea2.internal.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:44:35 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [ai4i@hotmail.com] To: References: <1048691043.518.68652.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 639 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:44:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2003 17:44:36.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E3F8740:01C2F3BF] From: "Joel Wilson" Reply-To: "Joel Wilson" X-Originating-IP: [216.77.212.163] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127893550 X-Yahoo-Profile: ai4ijoel > > I LOVE Radio Locator... I have no clue whether its even remotely > accurate, but hey - the maps are so much fun :) > My experience with South Florida AM stations is that they are very accurate. We all know how signals travel so well over salt water, but to see these maps is a reality check. Here are just two (2) non-directionals along the coast. http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WOKV&service=AM&status=L&hours =D&lon=81.66000&lat=30.31941 http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WQAM&service=AM&status=L&hours =D&lon=0.00000&lat=0.00000 Also, I never knew how swampy and brackish water can attenuate AM signals: http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WELY&service=AM&status=L&hours =U&lon=0.00000&lat=0.00000 FM and TV maps can also be found at: http://100kwatts.tmi.net/ This later site also shows construction permits, proposals, and pipe dreams. Joel Wilson AI4I ================================= Proud 2-B a pioneering satellite radio subscriber AI4I is always on the trailing edge of technology ================================= From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Mar 26 11:40:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 19:40:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 67654 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 19:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 19:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 19:40:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2003 19:40:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:40:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3529 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.76 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > The Ionosphere was not so unpredictable that the former class III > > stations couldn't be protected from skywave interference, as they > > ostensibly still are. > > ...Only if the USA was the only country using the AM band at night, > which it isn't. What you are suggesting would require changes to > tens of thousands of AM stations across the entire Western > Hemisphere. The international agreements involved in constructing > this scheme would be a major political headache, not to mention the > technical headaches involved for both broadcasters and listeners. My plan is for the US only, I'm not sure why you bring the entire Western Hemisphere into it? As far as international treaties go, I would continue protecting foreign stations as required under current treaty agreements, and I would hope that even though the domestic rules for the protection of class A stations were changed, foreign countries would continue to protect our class A stations as required by treaty, not as they would be protected domestically. I first conceived of my "AM band improvement plan" six years ago, and have been refining it since then. My plan is flexible, and constantly being refined, here is my current thinking on how I would change the AM protection rules. Class A Stations: The protected daytime contour for class A stations would be increased from 100 uV/M to 500 uV/M, and the D/U ratio would be increased from 20:1, to 100:1. The protected nighttime contour for class A stations would be changed from the 500 uV/M 50% skywave contour, to the 500 mV/M groundwave contour, the D/U ratio would remain 20:1. Class B Stations: Protection requirements for class B stations would remain unchanged. The minimum power requirement for class B stations would be increased to 1 kW both day and night. Class B stations that are unable to upgrade to a minimum power of 1 kW both day and night, taking the new class A protection requirements into account, would be reassigned as class D stations. Class C Stations: The protection requirements for class C stations would remain unchanged. Class D Stations: All class D stations would be deleted. > Your plan would take the two 50 kW stations on a particular clear > channel and replace it with, say, 20 stations across the country. > In this case, you've just increased the number of stations receiving > this international interference by ten times -- not to mention the > mutual interference caused by AM stations within the USA's own > territory. > > You might not believe this to be such a significant issue, but the > next time you hear a strange Spanish language station causing > interference at night, there's a good chance this station isn't > anywhere in the USA, especially if you're along the Gulf or East > Coast. Under my plan the stations remaining on the clear channels would be somewhat more powerful at night, and thus better able to cope with the "international interference" you mention. Without doing a lot of math, it is not clear to me that there would be a net increase in stations on the clear channels under my plan. There would be several more powerful signals on the clear channels at night, but the stations with nighttime "flea" power would be gone. Under my plan there would be a significant decrease in the number of stations on the regional channels. The local channels would be unaffected by my plan. John From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Mar 26 12:53:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 20:53:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 59300 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 20:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 20:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 20:53:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2003 20:53:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:53:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DAB tuner for sale Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 218 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I saw this on my usual eBay Easter Egg hunt and thought I'd share, especially the pictures: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3015303053&category= You may have to copy and paste to see it. Phil R. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Mar 26 12:56:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 20:56:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 48658 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 20:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 20:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 20:56:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2003 20:56:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:56:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DAB tuner for sale Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 311 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking try this --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: > I saw this on my usual eBay Easter Egg hunt and thought I'd share, > especially the pictures: > > cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3015303053&category= > > You may have to copy and paste to see it. > > Phil R. From krichards@wor710.com Wed Mar 26 14:41:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 22:41:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 40534 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 22:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 22:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 22:41:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2003 22:41:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:41:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New AM Stereo Software Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2158 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.161.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Good News and Greetings from the WOR transmitter: We received new software from Ibiquity today and the stereo audio is really presentable. PLUS, WOR gets to keep our 6.2KHZ analog audio bandwidth, and still run the HD system in the enhanced mode. This software which has been in continuing developement by our friends at Ibiquity was finally delivered to us. We had to upgrade both receivers, and the exciter. We then spent an hour or so feeding CD tracks from the emergency studio at the transmitter into the HD exciter in stereo. (The 317C was on Air most of the day.) We listened to the output of the DX50 through the dummy load into the HD reference radios. I must say the results were quite acceptable. I compared one of the Sinatra tracks to what I've heard on the Sirius radio. There was quite a surprising high end, which just like Sirius still had a slight edge to it. But, keep in mind this is AM radio and our bitrate is on the order of 36kbts, the resultant audio was quite acceptable. I would have to say in a moving car with the normal traffic noise, you would be hard pressed to tell the difference between the HD signal and the average FM. Tom has promissed to get the new samples on our page ASAP. We reduced some of our tests today to a DAT tape, for your perusal, I'll let everybody know when Tom gets them on the page, he says in a few days. In the meantime, this has only made my desire to convert the WOR studio plant to Stereo as quickly as I can, becuase I think we finally might have something good here. Our Visteon HD/C-Quam radio had to go back to the factory for some upgrades, so we do not have that toy for a while, but the HD reference radios are working fine. As usual, email me if you want to come and hear the stuff in action, I'm thinking it might be fun to run an HD listening test during the Joe Franklin Memory Lane show, where we play music (although it is still mono). That would be late Sat nite early Sun morning. Looks like there is in fact a new AM Stereo system of acceptable quality. More details soon. Kerry Richards Chief Engineer WOR-AM Buckley Broadcasting Corporation From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Mar 26 14:52:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 26 Mar 2003 22:52:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 98200 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 22:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2003 22:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 22:52:04 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.8]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:52:04 -0700 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Software Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:52:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Contrats Kerry! Looking forward to hearing the samples! Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Richards [mailto:krichards@wor710.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:41 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Software Good News and Greetings from the WOR transmitter: We received new software from Ibiquity today and the stereo audio is really presentable. PLUS, WOR gets to keep our 6.2KHZ analog audio bandwidth, and still run the HD system in the enhanced mode. This software which has been in continuing developement by our friends at Ibiquity was finally delivered to us. We had to upgrade both receivers, and the exciter. We then spent an hour or so feeding CD tracks from the emergency studio at the transmitter into the HD exciter in stereo. (The 317C was on Air most of the day.) We listened to the output of the DX50 through the dummy load into the HD reference radios. I must say the results were quite acceptable. I compared one of the Sinatra tracks to what I've heard on the Sirius radio. There was quite a surprising high end, which just like Sirius still had a slight edge to it. But, keep in mind this is AM radio and our bitrate is on the order of 36kbts, the resultant audio was quite acceptable. I would have to say in a moving car with the normal traffic noise, you would be hard pressed to tell the difference between the HD signal and the average FM. Tom has promissed to get the new samples on our page ASAP. We reduced some of our tests today to a DAT tape, for your perusal, I'll let everybody know when Tom gets them on the page, he says in a few days. In the meantime, this has only made my desire to convert the WOR studio plant to Stereo as quickly as I can, becuase I think we finally might have something good here. Our Visteon HD/C-Quam radio had to go back to the factory for some upgrades, so we do not have that toy for a while, but the HD reference radios are working fine. As usual, email me if you want to come and hear the stuff in action, I'm thinking it might be fun to run an HD listening test during the Joe Franklin Memory Lane show, where we play music (although it is still mono). That would be late Sat nite early Sun morning. Looks like there is in fact a new AM Stereo system of acceptable quality. More details soon. Kerry Richards Chief Engineer WOR-AM Buckley Broadcasting Corporation Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 16:06:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 00:06:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 22215 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 00:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 00:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 00:06:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2003 00:06:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 00:06:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DAB tuner for sale Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 833 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: > try this > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" > wrote: > > I saw this on my usual eBay Easter Egg hunt and thought I'd share, > > especially the pictures: > > > > cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3015303053&category= > > > > You may have to copy and paste to see it. > > > > Phil R. Hmm, I payed US%107 for my WaveFinder, including shipping, via eBay, and I know how to make it usable to receive Canadian DAB signals (or DAB channels in any other country), instead of its default UK settings. :) (I needed it for the one obvious reason: It's the -only- laptop- friendly DAB receiver, to be able to record bit-for-bit DAB airchecks whenever I get in or near any DAB countries. ;) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 17:54:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 01:54:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 74895 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 01:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 01:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 01:54:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2003 01:54:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 01:54:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DAB tuner for sale Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 858 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3015303053&category= Just a tip... anything beyond the Item Number in an eBay URL is not needed, such as the "&category=" definitions which they seem to have recently added, or the "&r" and "&t" tags (whose purpose are still unclear to me). Also, you can simply give the Item Number (in this case 3015303053) and then anybody can plug that into eBay's Item Number search page: http://pages.ebay.com/search/items/search_item.html However, all of these tricks will probably become useless when the inevitable happens -- when Yahoo! Auctions "merges" with eBay. Yahoo took over eGroups and GeoCities, along with a bunch of other stuff, and it's only a matter of time before they take over eBay as well (at least in my opinion). They are not too far away from being the "Clear Channel" of the Internet. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 18:04:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 02:04:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 64183 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 02:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 02:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 02:04:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2003 02:04:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 02:04:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AM Stereo (IBOC) Software Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1411 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I did notice that WOR's IBOC was off for most of the afternoon today. However, around 2:30 PM I also noticed you switching the IBOC on and off, and whenever the IBOC digital sidebands were on, I heard brief RF carrier drop-outs every few seconds, as a "thump" or "pop" noise. This did not happen when the IBOC sidebands were off. Was this just because you were switching things around, or was it because of something happening within the transmitter and/or antenna system? At the time, I got the impression that this was a malfunction related to transmission of the IBOC signal, and that WOR's times of broadcasting a plain analog signal were because of attempts to fix the problem. In any event, WOR's signal strength (as received here in central NJ) did not seem to vary, and I noticed your analog audio remained constant at the 6.2 kHz setting. However, during the times your IBOC sidebands were off, it was nice to have a rare daytime opportunity to hear stations on 680, 690, 730, and 740 kHz that are normally wiped out by the high field strength of the IBOC sidebands coming into the front end of the receiver. In particular, 690 WPHE from Pennsylvania and 740 WSGM from Long Island were surprisingly strong and clear, but as soon as your IBOC switched back on, reception of them was pretty much obliterated, on everything from a very narrowband car radio to a GE Superadio III. From bjackson@indyradio.com Wed Mar 26 18:28:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 02:28:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 3052 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 02:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 02:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 02:28:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2003 02:28:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 02:28:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Psuedo Call Letter meanings Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006101c2f39f$3cc9c140$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 311 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > And WCSI in Columbus Indiana (back in their Top 40 days going up against WIFE, WAKY, WLS, WCFL etc): > W(e) C(an't) S(tand) I(it). > I always thought that WCSI was for We Cover Southern Indiana (As per old sports guy, Sam Simmermaker) From krichards@wor710.com Thu Mar 27 04:16:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 12:16:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 73260 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 12:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 12:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 12:16:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2003 12:16:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:16:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AM Stereo (IBOC) Software Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2940 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 66.47.86.250 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I did notice that WOR's IBOC was off for most of the afternoon today. We uninstalled the new software several times, and took out the WOR "patch" from Ibiquity. Then we compared HD operations between the two versions to hear the major improvements. The aux TX went on air at 9:06 AM. This "patch" was what allows us to run a nice 6.2khz legacy analog audio signal. We also needed to verify the digital carriers on the Spectrum Analyzer as per level and NRSC compliance. For these exacting tests we could not use the dummy load, but needed the DX50 to look into the array for accuracy, so we had to go on air at various carrier levels. What you heard on air most of the day was the 317C which was being driven by the 9100 in the NRSC mode. When we switched back to the DX50 we needed to run at various power levels and all IBOC modes to verify operations. We ran both enhanced and unenhanced IBOC carrier modes. The Ibiquity test van was on site all day, with all of the test equipment and radios. A large amount of time was spent on one of the coolest things about this sytem, we now have scrolling data on the radio display. Currently, our scroll reads "710 WOR-HD America's Talk and Information Station". This appears plainly on the display on the radio face. What is so cool about this is how this can be used in future. In an upcoming NY SBE meeting Enco will display their HD Radio interface, so if we were playing music, the tile and artist would scroll across the screen. During a spot you could plug an advertiser, or during our morning show we could put up traffic, news, or weather bulletins. It is really cool, and quite amazing. All you really need is a port to the IBOC exciter, which we have, and then the software to input the "scroll". The possibilities are unimaginable with this system, I know Tom and myself are already dreaming up a hundred uses for this and ways to interface our producers in the studios with the actual scroll on the radio in front of the WOR listener. If the audio continues to improve, which it has, and now with this capability, the new radios will be a real exciting thing for us, because this certainly gives us new tools to work with. The possibilities are beginning to open up for the HD system, since Kenwood has the new radios coming out shortly, looks like they will be first. In the future who knows how this extra data stream will be used, but it is very exciting. It looks like all those years of testing and investment by Ibiquity are finally beginning to pay off. I am very impressed with what I've seen and heard. We love it. This now means there is truly a new AM Stereo system, that may hold promise for our business and listeners once the radios start to appear. More and more HD systems have been going on air each month, both AM and FM. Kerry........ From jim@burgan.net Thu Mar 27 07:10:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 15:10:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 32683 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 15:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 15:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 15:10:42 -0000 Received: from jimspc ([12.221.234.107]) by sccimhc02.insightbb.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030327151041.IHNI1207.sccimhc02.insightbb.com@jimspc>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:10:41 +0000 Message-ID: <004801c2f473$08dc58f0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: Cc: "Jim Burgan" References: <1048691043.518.68652.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 639 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:10:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I LOVE Radio Locator... I have no clue whether its even remotely > accurate, but hey - the maps are so much fun :) The radio Locator AM plots are terrible. But since the demise of the Kodis plot page on the Broadcast Location Page, Radio Locator is all there is. I do have two programs that I use to view RF plots on my PC, and both are extremely accuarate. I don't remember where I got the original software (I downloaded it somewhere on the Net) but I donwload the data files directly from the FCC database frequently to keep up with the changes. Here is a quick example of WIBC 1070 Indianapolis' night time pattern. If you don't have a high speed connection, it may take a while, I did a lousy job of shrinking the pics, so they total 1mb. Find it here: http://qmix.com/WIBC.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bjackson@indyradio.com Thu Mar 27 07:30:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 15:30:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 44469 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 15:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 15:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 15:30:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2003 15:29:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:29:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AM Stereo (IBOC) Software Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1647 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > A large amount of time was spent on one of the coolest things about > this sytem, we now have scrolling data on the radio display. > > Currently, our scroll reads "710 WOR-HD America's Talk and > Information Station". This appears plainly on the display on the > radio face. What is so cool about this is how this can be used in > future. In an upcoming NY SBE meeting Enco will display their HD > Radio interface, so if we were playing music, the tile and artist > would scroll across the screen. During a spot you could plug an > advertiser, or during our morning show we could put up traffic, news, > or weather bulletins. It is really cool, and quite amazing. > > All you really need is a port to the IBOC exciter, which we have, and > then the software to input the "scroll". The possibilities are > unimaginable with this system, I know Tom and myself are already > dreaming up a hundred uses for this and ways to interface our > producers in the studios with the actual scroll on the radio in front > of the WOR listener. I seem to remember a lot of hype over something like this for analog FM a few years ago...RDS. It held great promise for a new revenue stream and was going to give the listener great info at their fingertips. And it was put to such great noble uses such as...Well, never mind...No one in Indianapolis is using it anymore ;-) Sorry Kerry, had to yank your chain on that one. Looking forward to hearing the new stereo audio samples, though! - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - http://www.indyradio.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 07:33:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 15:33:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 40228 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 15:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 15:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 15:33:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2003 15:33:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:33:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AM Stereo (IBOC) Software Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 905 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > We love it. This now means there is truly a new AM Stereo system ...Although only half of a system at that, as long as the daytime-only restriction remains -- nevermind the serious interference concerns which affect even daytime operation of IBOC, essentially prohibiting numerous stations from using it, as long as they have to share the dial with nearby stations on adjacent or second-adjacent channels (such as 1040 WCHR in Flemington, NJ being squeezed right next to 1050 WEVD in NYC -- the use of IBOC on which would also seriously affect nearby 1070 WKMB in Stirling, NJ). I don't mean to be an "IBOC-hater" here. But it _is_ a system that is fraught with serious limitations, many of which are unavoidably caused by the inherent design of the "hybrid" analog/digital signal format -- and these limitations may turn out to overwhelm whatever positive benefits IBOC can achieve. From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Mar 27 07:51:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 15:51:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 35880 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 15:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 15:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 15:51:31 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:51:30 -0700 Message-ID: <002d01c2f478$bc0210a0$0701010a@keva> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New AM Stereo (IBOC) Software Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:51:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah yes...RDS. Too bad it didn't succeed. Seems each time I'm in Salt Lake City in my wife's 2001 Chevy Impala (with RDS) there's a different station doing it. I don't know that I've ever seen more than one station at a time using it there. Maybe they just keep passing the RDS encoder around. In any case, all they use it for is to put a "name" on the display. (I.E....KBER 101 or THE BULL). Amazingly enough, we've been in Denver a couple of times over the past few years, and Denver actually had a station or two using the full capabilities....with contests promos...their phone number and so forth. It was neat :) Then again if ya put that much information on the display, couldn't it be a hazard to driving?? Kinda like having a TV in the dash?? MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: bradleyj923 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:29 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: New AM Stereo (IBOC) Software I seem to remember a lot of hype over something like this for analog FM a few years ago...RDS. It held great promise for a new revenue stream and was going to give the listener great info at their fingertips. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Mar 27 09:05:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 17:05:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 14369 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 17:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 17:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 17:05:37 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:05:36 -0700 Message-ID: <004901c2f483$15bb8860$0701010a@keva> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New AM Stereo (IBOC) Software Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:05:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit .....a system that is STILL in testing phases and STILL being worked on and developed. For all we know, by the time this is all over, they may have figured out a different way to do it so that it does not cause interference with adjacent stations. Don't be too hard on them. They're still working on it. This is still a test. Only a test. MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:33 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: New AM Stereo (IBOC) Software I don't mean to be an "IBOC-hater" here. But it _is_ a system that is fraught with serious limitations, many of which are unavoidably caused by the inherent design of the "hybrid" analog/digital signal format -- and these limitations may turn out to overwhelm whatever positive benefits IBOC can achieve. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Mar 27 09:35:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 17:35:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 81453 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 17:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 17:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 17:35:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2003 17:35:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:35:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AM Stereo (IBOC) Software Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 665 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.52 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > > We love it. This now means there is truly a new AM Stereo system, > that may hold promise for our business and listeners once the radios > start to appear. More and more HD systems have been going on air each > month, both AM and FM. > > > Kerry........ Let's not call it AM Stereo since the modulation scheme resembles more of what a modem would use than an analog AM signal. Neither should we call the version for the FM band IBOC-FM or HD-FM. A more correct term would be DM for Digital Modulation and associate it with the frequency band like VHF-DM and MW-DM. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 09:46:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 17:46:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 48686 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 17:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 17:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 17:46:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2003 17:46:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:46:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AM Stereo (IBOC) Software Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004901c2f483$15bb8860$0701010a@keva> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 625 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > For all we know, by the time this is all over, they may have > figured out a different way to do it so that it does not cause > interference with adjacent stations. Don't be too hard on them. > They're still working on it. This is still a test. Only a test. The only way to do that would be to contain the transmitted signal entirely within a +/- 5 kHz bandwidth. DRM works within this bandwidth and can provide Stereo audio with acceptable fidelity -- but this limited bandwidth cannot accomodate a hybrid analog/digital signal, so only people with new digital receivers would be able to listen to the station. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 09:49:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 17:49:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 53702 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 17:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 17:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 17:49:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2003 17:46:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:46:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: New AM Stereo (IBOC) Software Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004901c2f483$15bb8860$0701010a@keva> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3196 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > .....a system that is STILL in testing phases and STILL being worked on and developed. For all we know, by the time this is all over, they may have figured out a different way to do it so that it does not cause interference with adjacent stations. Don't be too hard on them. They're still working on it. This is still a test. Only a test. Unfortunately, Michael, it's just been approved for general use by the FCC, in its present condition-- Sort of like putting alpha-test software as the completed work. You get a substandard product that's still in the development stages, where alot of the problems (and bugs) haven't been worked out. I personally think IBOC is a form of sabotage to the broadcasting bands, fraught with problems that really do outweigh any benefits to the listener, and leaves a rather nasty calling card that tells the listener, "Isn't it great? We have this fantastic `digital' technology that wipes out everybody aroundd us!" I'm sorry, but I would much rather see a digital system like this applied to its own band, perhaps take up the old 26MHz "Apex" band that the studio relays that have been using for years, whom are supposedly abandoning anyway, leaving it open. (This is already being proposed as a band for local/regional DRM broadcasting, with full stereo, so why not the IBOC system there, too?) And besides, I can't call IBOC "AM stereo"- There is no AM component necessary for stereophonic reception, except as a low-fidelity legacy audio component, which acts as a fallback, defeating the whole purpose of a digital system. I think it's a SERIOUS mistake for anyone to invest in this system, and it causes more harm than it solves. It's "not ready for prime time", even in the daytime, especially in the form it takes now (as a quadrature-phased subcarrier, rather than co-carrier as all of the analog AM stereo systems had been), and the degree of testing still needed to refine both modulation problems and codec problems. (Subcarriers just don't work in a crowded, limited-spectrum mediumn like the mediumwave broadcast band. This is the sigle-biggest mistake3 Lucent Technologies have ever made in its proposal.) Perhaps there needs to be a MASSIVE petition drive against IBOC, and try to revoke its general use until they can at least solve the interference issues. That was one thing about analog AM stereo (or for that matter, the so-called "Noise Free Radio" system, which was effectively the reverse of the RCA system- FM sum carrier, AM difference co-carrier): analog AM stereo NEVER CAUSED INTERFERENCE OR DEGRADATION TO RECEIVERS OR CO/ADJACENT-CHANNEL STATIONS! (Sorry for shouting- I'm more than a bit torqued off about this mess beingt approved for general use.) Digital can be good, and has its place, but not on the AM broadcast band. The band's not suitable for the conditions it needs to work properly, and it causes problems for other stations (and listeners). Turn off IBOC, get a refund... Or move it elsewhere, like 26MHz. AM has ENOUGH problems without it, we don't need MORE. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 09:55:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 17:55:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 61444 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 17:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 17:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 17:55:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2003 17:55:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:54:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AM Stereo (IBOC) Software Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1213 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" > wrote: > > > We love it. This now means there is truly a new AM Stereo system, > > that may hold promise for our business and listeners once the radios > > start to appear. More and more HD systems have been going on air > each > > month, both AM and FM. > > Let's not call it AM Stereo since the modulation scheme resembles > more of what a modem would use than an analog AM signal. Neither > should we call the version for the FM band IBOC-FM or HD-FM. A more > correct term would be DM for Digital Modulation and associate it with > the frequency band like VHF-DM and MW-DM. This is exactly what I'm getting at- It -isn't- AM (or FM) stereo, since the analog component is not integral to demodulating stereophonic content. It's a digital subcarrier on an already-reduced analog carrier. (Not even co-carrier, as all other AM stereo systems are, except for one 1946 patrent that put an AM subcarrier on the main carrier, requiring a bandwidth that exceeded 60kHz, which was deemed impractical.) IBOC is a mistake. It doesn't belong. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 10:00:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 18:00:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 39538 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 18:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 18:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 18:00:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2003 18:00:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:00:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AM Stereo (IBOC) Software Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1100 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > For all we know, by the time this is all over, they may have > > figured out a different way to do it so that it does not cause > > interference with adjacent stations. Don't be too hard on them. > > They're still working on it. This is still a test. Only a test. > > The only way to do that would be to contain the transmitted signal > entirely within a +/- 5 kHz bandwidth. DRM works within this > bandwidth and can provide Stereo audio with acceptable fidelity -- > but this limited bandwidth cannot accomodate a hybrid analog/digital > signal, so only people with new digital receivers would be able to > listen to the station. Actually, it can, but it's not, as the FCC would have once said, "mono-compatible", since the hybrid mode puts the analog on one phased sideband (quadrature), with the DRM digital co-carrier on the other. On a mono receiver, it would sound like an increased (but not overwhelming) background hiss. There have already been hybrid tests as of last summer. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 10:10:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 18:10:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 90193 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 18:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 18:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 18:10:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2003 18:10:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:10:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: North America's first Digital AM Stereo music station Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 497 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The "DAB Ensembles WorldWide" web site reports that Oldies station 1050 CHUM in Toronto, Canada is providing a 192 kbps Stereo digital signal on the Eureka-147 Digital Audio Broadcasting system in use there. 1050 CHUM, as well as 104.5 CHUM-FM, "The Edge" (102.1 CFNY), "680 News" (CFTR), and 98.1 CHFI (all 192 kbps Stereo except for "680 News" which is 128 kbps Mono) occupy the multiplexed DAB signal transmitted on 1456.304 MHz with 8000 watts from the CN Tower and one relay site. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 10:45:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 18:45:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 86250 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 18:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 18:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 18:45:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2003 18:45:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:45:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: North America's first Digital AM Stereo music station Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 788 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > The "DAB Ensembles WorldWide" web site reports that Oldies station > 1050 CHUM in Toronto, Canada is providing a 192 kbps Stereo digital > signal on the Eureka-147 Digital Audio Broadcasting system in use > there. > > > 1050 CHUM, as well as 104.5 CHUM-FM, "The Edge" (102.1 CFNY), "680 > News" (CFTR), and 98.1 CHFI (all 192 kbps Stereo except for "680 News" > which is 128 kbps Mono) occupy the multiplexed DAB signal transmitted > on 1456.304 MHz with 8000 watts from the CN Tower and one relay site. And "Mojo 640" on Block L8 (1465.024 MHz), 224kib/s, stereo... On the Vancouver ensembles, there are both "NW2" (formerly CKLG 730) and CKNW (980) on Block L6 (1461.536 MHz). Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 13:52:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 21:52:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 63911 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 21:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 21:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 21:52:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20030327215221.52280.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:52:21 PST Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:52:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: I'm Back & Here's One to Think About To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From Radio World: "LPFM Applications Dismissed Washington, DC - Mar 17, 2003 - Through a public notice, the Audio Division of the FCC's Media Bureau dismissed more than 500 low power FM (LPFM) new station applications. Each application violates the Commission’s LPFM third-adjacent channel distance separation requirements with respect to at least one other protected FM authorization or application." If I understand correctly, this COULD cause undesireable interference to an adjacent signal, so they squashed it? Sounds like a 'double-standard' to me regarding LPFM vs. IBOC/IBAC/HD Radio? LPFM must not have a big money lobby in Washington DC? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 14:41:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 27 Mar 2003 22:41:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 69593 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 22:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2003 22:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 22:41:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2003 22:41:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:41:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: I'm Back & Here's One to Think About Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030327215221.52280.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1613 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: =snip= > If I understand correctly, this COULD cause undesireable interference to an > adjacent signal, so they squashed it? Sounds like a 'double- standard' to me > regarding LPFM vs. IBOC/IBAC/HD Radio? LPFM must not have a big money lobby in > Washington DC? Right on the money, John. I don't like corporates- I think they ruin it for all of us. This is also the same argument for why they won't have E-147 in the US (despite the fact it's demonstrated annually in Las Vegas, and needed for testing in Seattle and Detroit- Now gee, whose DAB ensembles are near those, now? ;) ), that it would mean they'd have to *gulp* SHARE airwave space with community programming-- Nuh-uh, not gonna go for that, nopenope. Don't get me wrong- I have no problem with -commercial- broadcasting- Just corporate broadcasting. And corporates are inherently anti- competitive. There are alot of things wrong with the way radio is managed today, from the regulators on down. That we refuse to make use of *gasp* EUROPEAN broadcast technology, that everyone else is using.... Let's see, Iraq was selling oil in euros, so we gotta make an example of them to protect the dollar... We refuse to use DRM and DAB because they're European... And we ridicule the French for doing something our nation is founded on: dissent.. (I happen to be part French and part German- Like alot of Americans, I'm of mixed ancestry.) Sorry, wasn't gonna get political in this forum; I'm just not a happy mousie these days. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Mar 27 18:31:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 28 Mar 2003 02:31:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 42578 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2003 02:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2003 02:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.36.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 02:31:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:31:22 -0800 Received: from 172.156.78.85 by oe48.pav2.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 02:31:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <005701c2f39d$78afd700$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 810 WMGC fined $10k Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:31:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2003 02:31:22.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F945700:01C2F4D2] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.156.78.85] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jim Burgan wrote: > I question whether flea-powered stations with less than 25 watts should even have nighttime authorization. When WFIS first got the 25 Watts PSSA / Night power, it could be heard over 15 miles. With all of the cheaters on the band these days, we are doing good to get 7 miles at night. Kevin From powell@conterra.com Thu Mar 27 20:09:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 28 Mar 2003 04:09:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 87747 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2003 04:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2003 04:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 04:09:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2003 04:09:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 04:09:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 810 WMGC fined $10k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 674 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.113 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Jim Burgan wrote: > > I question whether flea-powered stations with less than 25 watts should > even have nighttime authorization. > > When WFIS first got the 25 Watts PSSA / Night power, it could be heard over > 15 miles. With all of the cheaters on the band these days, we are doing good > to get 7 miles at night. > Kevin The 7 watts WJIB 740 does well ( Boston area) except on nights CHWO smokes. The 1090 in Greenwood SC would do well with their 7, as when WBAL and KAAY go DA the frequency is silent except if someone cheats. What would 1K do at night for WFIS? Powell From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 23:02:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 28 Mar 2003 07:02:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 42571 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2003 07:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2003 07:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 07:02:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2003 07:02:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 07:02:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: I'm Back & Here's One to Think About Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2118 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is also the same argument for why they won't have E-147 in the > US .... it would mean they'd have to *gulp* SHARE airwave > space with community programming-- Nuh-uh, not gonna go for that, > nopenope. Part of the reason why Eureka-147 DAB has little corporate support in the USA is because it allocates bandwidth for stations in somewhat of a "communist" manner. DAB replaces the highly competitive nature of AM and FM radio with a scheme where all of the broadcasters in a given area have to coexist peacefully and share bandwidth resources. And if a particular DAB block reaches its bandwidth limit, the broadcasters using it have to all accept a mutual reduction in bit-rates (and therefore a reduction in audio quality) in order to accomodate any new stations that come along and want to start providing a DAB signal. And, more importantly, unlike the AM and FM bands, a bigger bank account doesn't get you a bigger signal on DAB. It doesn't even get you a more attractive dial position, as there is no such thing. Nor are the "loudness wars" particularly effective on DAB, because there's no noise floor of hiss/static/multipath to overcome, and excessive audio processing just ends up annoying listeners because it exaggerates the MP2 compression artifacts. Eureka-147 DAB works well in countries where government-owned radio stations have a strong influence, and commercial stations don't have as much of a say in getting DAB resources allocated to them. This is true even for Canada, where the majority of the channels currently on DAB there are for various CBC Radio programming. But here in the USA, broadcasters prefer the good ol' every-station- for-itself competition of the AM and FM bands, even if it means that sometimes you're the one who ends up with the "rim-shot" FM signal or the "graveyard channel" AM signal. But when averaged over anywhere from dozens to thousands of stations across the country, more often than not the big corporate broadcasters have signals which give them a competitive advantage -- an advantage which doesn't exist on DAB. From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Mar 28 08:21:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 28 Mar 2003 16:21:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 98900 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2003 16:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2003 16:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 16:21:59 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:21:58 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c2f546$27d85500$0701010a@keva> To: References: Subject: new web site Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:21:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang I thought I'd let everyone check out our new web site that I just set up.....it includes our brand new logo (which promotes AM STEREO of course!) and our new domain name we just got set up. I'm always looking for outside opinions. Take a peek and let me know what y'all think. www.1240keva.com The site was created with Microsoft FrontPage and is still a work in progress. Not all of the links at the bottom work. I'm still working on it. But I think it looks pretty nice. Michael n WYO KEVA AM Stereo 1240 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 28 08:41:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 28 Mar 2003 16:41:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 14696 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2003 16:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2003 16:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 16:34:37 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-143.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.143]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h2SGYXhp018349 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:34:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001b01c2f548$762b6100$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <001f01c2f546$27d85500$0701010a@keva> Subject: Re: {AMSF} new web site Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:38:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Looks pretty good. The photos to the left of Dolly Parton all look a bit out of focus, though. Would suggest some other bg color other than the gray, but otherwise it's good. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" To: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: {AMSF} new web site > Hi gang > I thought I'd let everyone check out our new web site that I just set up.....it includes our brand new logo (which promotes AM STEREO of course!) and our new domain name we just got set up. I'm always looking for outside opinions. Take a peek and let me know what y'all think. > > www.1240keva.com > > The site was created with Microsoft FrontPage and is still a work in progress. Not all of the links at the bottom work. I'm still working on it. But I think it looks pretty nice. > > Michael n WYO > KEVA AM Stereo 1240 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 09:02:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 28 Mar 2003 17:02:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 56501 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2003 17:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2003 17:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 17:02:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2003 17:02:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:02:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: new web site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c2f548$762b6100$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 274 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Looks pretty good. It is a good start for a web site. But I would also suggest that all those singer photos be combined into one or two JPGs. That way they will all appear at once, rather than waiting for your web browser to load lots of individual image files. From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Mar 28 09:23:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 28 Mar 2003 17:22:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 69371 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2003 17:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2003 17:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 17:05:38 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:05:37 -0700 Message-ID: <002601c2f54c$40cd2120$0701010a@keva> To: References: <001f01c2f546$27d85500$0701010a@keva> <001b01c2f548$762b6100$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} new web site Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:05:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Scott Just trying to be a little different with the gray background. It also worked good for the yellow & white logo. As for the pics, that's about the best I could do. I spent about 4 hours researching all the photos and finding them on the internet. It was kind of a pain. I'm thinking of moving all of the artist pictures to a different page called "artist info" with links to all their web sites. That'd make the home page a little less "busy". As far as the background colors and logo colors, they can be changed. Any suggestions? Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:38 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} new web site Looks pretty good. The photos to the left of Dolly Parton all look a bit out of focus, though. Would suggest some other bg color other than the gray, but otherwise it's good. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Mar 28 10:03:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 28 Mar 2003 18:03:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 89546 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2003 18:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2003 18:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 18:03:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2003 18:03:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:03:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} new web site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c2f54c$40cd2120$0701010a@keva> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1631 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Nice site! How about just a few artist's mug shots, with a click here for more artists, featuring a large gallery of artists, eventually with links to their official sites etc. A good website is a continuing work in progress. Here is our website, entirely homegrown by our staff, benefitting from about 6 + years of development. www.irac.pe.ca Anyway you could scan in an image of a beautiful Wyoming scene, then mute it to a watermark type of look, then use it for your background? Good logo, by the way! Phil --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Thanks Scott > Just trying to be a little different with the gray background. It also worked good for the yellow & white logo. As for the pics, that's about the best I could do. I spent about 4 hours researching all the photos and finding them on the internet. It was kind of a pain. I'm thinking of moving all of the artist pictures to a different page called "artist info" with links to all their web sites. That'd make the home page a little less "busy". As far as the background colors and logo colors, they can be changed. Any suggestions? > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Todd > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:38 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} new web site > > > Looks pretty good. The photos to the left of Dolly Parton all look a bit > out of focus, though. Would suggest some other bg color other than the > gray, but otherwise it's good. > > ST > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 28 11:12:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 28 Mar 2003 19:12:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 56801 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2003 19:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2003 19:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 19:12:17 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-246.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.246]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h2SJCDhp019322 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:12:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000d01c2f55e$7cfd4820$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <001f01c2f546$27d85500$0701010a@keva> <001b01c2f548$762b6100$827dfea9@home1> <002601c2f54c$40cd2120$0701010a@keva> Subject: Re: {AMSF} new web site Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:16:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Try a medium-dark blue. I'd suggest a mountain motif if you really want to get creative, since your town is up in them thar hills. Get a good photo of the surrounding mountains and use that for your backdrop. I like your idea of the artist profile page too. It would make page loading that much faster. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" > Thanks Scott > Just trying to be a little different with the gray background. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 28 11:16:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 28 Mar 2003 19:16:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 14130 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2003 19:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2003 19:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 19:16:27 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-246.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.246]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h2SJGNhp020872 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:16:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001301c2f55f$12034e60$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} new web site Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:20:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Your idea gave me another one, Phil. IF the station is situated where there's a good backdrop, a shot of the station would also work as the background. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Rafuse" > Anyway you could scan in an image of a beautiful Wyoming scene, then > mute it to a watermark type of look, then use it for your background? From ai4i@hotmail.com Fri Mar 28 11:38:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai4i@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 28 Mar 2003 19:38:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 48139 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2003 19:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2003 19:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.202) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 19:38:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:38:53 -0800 Received: from 216.77.218.122 by DAV67.sea2.internal.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:38:52 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [ai4i@hotmail.com] To: References: <1048868164.1553.32968.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 641 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:38:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2003 19:38:53.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9F8C180:01C2F561] From: "Joel Wilson" Reply-To: "Joel Wilson" X-Originating-IP: [216.77.218.122] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127893550 X-Yahoo-Profile: ai4ijoel > > That was one thing about analog AM stereo (or > for that matter, the so-called "Noise Free Radio" system, which was > effectively the reverse of the RCA system- FM sum carrier, AM > difference co-carrier) This RCA system sounds like the reverse of the Harris system, with AM sum and FM difference. Varying levels of hiss on the main channel would replace platform motion (I think Harris suffered from varying levels of hiss on the difference channel). RCA sounds incompatible with legacy radios. I really love the K-H system for its ability to handle QRM and QSB. Joel Wilson AI4I ================================= Proud 2-B a pioneering satellite radio subscriber AI4I is always on the trailing edge of technology ================================= From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 11:42:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 28 Mar 2003 19:42:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 37259 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2003 19:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2003 19:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 19:42:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2003 19:42:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:42:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC upgrade Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1750 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The following article is from www.radioworld.com.... I, for one, don't expect these "advancements in audio compression technology" to really improve IBOC's audio quality all that much. As long as they are locked into the same basic format [which I believe is a variant of Advanced Audio Coding (AAC) with "Spatial Band Replication" -- a.k.a. "simulated" treble], any quality improvements are only going to be incremental. For example, I have one of the first MP3 encoder programs from 1996 (by Fraunhofer IIS -- the German company which invented the MP3 format), and aside from encoding speed, the quality really hasn't improved all that much since then. Back then, they claimed that MP3 at 128 kbps would be "CD-quality". Well, it wasn't 7 years ago, and it still isn't today! Anyway, here's the article... Ibiquity Completes First Upgrade ================================ Ibiquity Digital Corp. has introduced its first field upgradeable commercial HD Radio software release for stations. The upgrade is covered under existing Ibiquity licenses. HD Radio software version 1.3 offers field upgradeable capabilities for IBOC exciters. Enhancements include advancements in audio compression technology and wireless data applications, while not impacting consumer receivers. Ibiquity President/CEO Robert Struble said the upgrade represents Ibiquity's on-going efforts to enhance the HD Radio technology. "Field upgradeability is critical for expected future technology improvements in areas such as AM audio quality. As Ibiquity Digital's audio compression technology continues to advance and new data services are developed, field upgradeability will allow us to provide broadcasters a constant stream of innovation." From marcelo@radioclube.com.br Fri Mar 28 15:11:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: marcelo@radioclube.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 28 Mar 2003 23:11:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 92003 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2003 23:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2003 23:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 23:11:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2003 23:11:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 23:11:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Excellent and pretty radios Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 141 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "marcelofranc" X-Originating-IP: 200.171.246.61 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=114404417 X-Yahoo-Profile: marcelofranc I found this site and i find that all here go to like. 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Best regards here to all of the group...https://www.ogormans.co.uk From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Mar 28 16:57:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 00:57:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 263 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 00:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 00:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.36.116) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 00:57:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:57:23 -0800 Received: from 172.166.158.173 by oe12.pav2.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:57:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 810 WMGC fined $10k Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:57:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2003 00:57:23.0072 (UTC) FILETIME=[28569800:01C2F58E] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.166.158.173] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 w4opw wrote: > What would 1K do at night for WFIS? The last time we did a DX test, the longest distance was a Listener in Western PA! They got case of tapes from Radio Shack and a WFIS QSL Card. Perhaps another DX test is in order? Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 16:57:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 00:57:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 21090 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 00:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 00:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 00:57:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 00:57:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:57:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 641 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1596 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Wilson" wrote: > > > > That was one thing about analog AM stereo (or > > for that matter, the so-called "Noise Free Radio" system, which was > > effectively the reverse of the RCA system- FM sum carrier, AM > > difference co-carrier) > > This RCA system sounds like the reverse of the Harris system, with AM sum > and FM difference. Varying levels of hiss on the main channel would replace > platform motion (I think Harris suffered from varying levels of hiss on the > difference channel). RCA sounds incompatible with legacy radios. I really > love the K-H system for its ability to handle QRM and QSB. No, you misunderstand: The RCA system (and the modified Belar system( was AM sum, FM difference. Harris is a variable-phased AM/AM system, no FM component. As far as I can tell, the degree of phase in the Harris system was directly proportional to the average level of difference. The difference was otherwise amplitude-modulated, just as in most other quadrature AM systems, like phased ISB, QuAM (Philco), and C-QUAM. If you want to know more about the RCA system (and general AM stereo theory- It really isn't as technical as some technical papers (and patents!) I've read), download these high-resolution B&W GIFs: ftp://209.193.77.58/usa/misc/rca/ (Don't view in Internet Explorer- It doesn't like large B&W GIFs.) Anyway, the "Noise-Free Radio" system was the opposite of the RCA system, in that NFR had an FM sum and AM difference, unlike RCA/Belar, which was AM sum, FM difference. Amy. <:3 )~~9~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 17:10:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 01:10:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 36146 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 01:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 01:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 01:10:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 01:10:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 01:09:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 641 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1060 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Wilson" wrote: =snip= > This RCA system sounds like the reverse of the Harris system, with AM sum > and FM difference. Varying levels of hiss on the main channel would replace > platform motion (I think Harris suffered from varying levels of hiss on the > difference channel). RCA sounds incompatible with legacy radios. I really > love the K-H system for its ability to handle QRM and QSB. An addendum to my last post: You are right about the Harris hiss. This is a 10.6 MB MP3 file of the only Harris station I knew of, recorded in 1991: http://www.amstereo.audio- stream.net/amstereo/files/stations/North- America/USA/Washington/KOMOam1000SeattleWA.mp3 (You'll have to splice the URL together.) Even though most Harris stations converted to C-QUAM, KOMO remained a Harris station at least up to 1991, if not to the C-QUAM standardization of 1993, when it probably just went mono. The varying hiss is not from the tape, but exactly as it was heard in DX conditions. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Mar 28 18:23:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 02:23:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 22053 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 02:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 02:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 02:23:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:23:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 02:23:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 810 WMGC fined $10k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1003 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" < possumhunter@n...> wrote: > Jim Burgan wrote: > > I question whether flea-powered stations with less than 25 watts > > should even have nighttime authorization. > > When WFIS first got the 25 Watts PSSA / Night power, it could be > heard over 15 miles. With all of the cheaters on the band these > days, we are doing good to get 7 miles at night. Getting out 7 miles with only 25 Watts sounds like your are doing pretty well. Not getting out 15 miles with only 25 Watts would hardly seem to suggest "cheaters on the band". I am not very familiar with the PSSA, but I didn't think it included any protection from interference? Even assuming you had the same nighttime protection as a full class B station, your protected contour with 25 Watts would only reach to about 4 miles, so if you are getting out to 7 miles, it sounds like you aren't getting much interference, and there is little reason to cry "cheaters on the band". John From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Mar 28 18:30:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 02:30:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 53583 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 02:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 02:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 02:30:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:30:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 02:30:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 641 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3963 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Wilson" wrote: > > > > > > That was one thing about analog AM stereo (or > > > for that matter, the so-called "Noise Free Radio" system, which > > > was effectively the reverse of the RCA system- FM sum carrier, > > > AM difference co-carrier) > > > > This RCA system sounds like the reverse of the Harris system, with > > AM sum and FM difference. Varying levels of hiss on the main > > channel would replace platform motion (I think Harris suffered > > from varying levels of hiss on the difference channel). RCA > > sounds incompatible with legacy radios. I really love the K-H > > system for its ability to handle QRM and QSB. > > No, you misunderstand: The RCA system (and the modified Belar > system( was AM sum, FM difference. Harris is a variable-phased > AM/AM system, no FM component. Weren't there about three different variations of the Harris "AM" stereo system? I seem to remember that there was a fixed angle system, where the angle of the carriers for the L and R channels was less than the 90 degrees in the standard quadrature system. This was equivalent to reducing the amplitude of the quadrature "L-R" component in order to provide envelope detector compatibility, but it had a negative impact on the signal to noise ratio in the stereo mode. I can't remember if this fixed narrow angle system was the first version, or the last version. Then there was a variable angle system where the "L-R" signal was compressed so that low level "L-R" information was transmitted at the same level as in a normal quadrature system, to maintain the signal to noise ratio, but peaks were not allowed to cause the angle to increase to 90 degrees. IIRC a compander control signal was transmitted on the pilot tone so that the expander in the receiver could track the compression that was being applied at the transmitter. I believe this is how the system was advertised, and presented to the FCC. The third version was effectively a normal 90 quadrature system. It was never clear to me if Harris was just running with a fixed angle of 90 degree angle, or if the compressor was so designed that it only operated on test tones, but not program material, effectively giving a fixed 90 degree quadrature system. > As far as I can tell, the degree of phase in the Harris system was > directly proportional to the average level of difference. The > difference was otherwise amplitude-modulated, just as in most other > quadrature AM systems, like phased ISB, QuAM (Philco), and C-QUAM. The "average level of difference", if that is what they used to control the compressor, is probably what got the Harris system busted. I would take exception to your last sentence above, but I won't, as I know there are deeply held beliefs here related to that subject. > If you want to know more about the RCA system (and general AM stereo > theory- It really isn't as technical as some technical papers (and > patents!) I've read), download these high-resolution B&W GIFs: > ftp://209.193.77.58/usa/misc/rca/ > > (Don't view in Internet Explorer- It doesn't like large B&W GIFs.) > > Anyway, the "Noise-Free Radio" system was the opposite of the RCA > system, in that NFR had an FM sum and AM difference, unlike > RCA/Belar, which was AM sum, FM difference. Who proposed the "Noise-Free Radio" system, and where is it documented? I don't see how it could be any more noise free than the "opposite" system when operating in stereo mode, the only difference would simply be a couple of signs in the matrix, which I wouldn't expect to have any impact on noise in the stereo mode. The noise might be reduced in mono mode radios, but that would depend on the actual FM deviation used, or how "wideband" the FM component was compared to the audio bandwidth of the system. John From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 20:15:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 04:15:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 3890 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 04:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 04:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 04:15:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 04:15:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 04:15:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 641 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4624 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Wilson" wrote: > > > > > > > > That was one thing about analog AM stereo (or > > > > for that matter, the so-called "Noise Free Radio" system, which > > > > was effectively the reverse of the RCA system- FM sum carrier, > > > > AM difference co-carrier) > > > > > > This RCA system sounds like the reverse of the Harris system, with > > > AM sum and FM difference. Varying levels of hiss on the main > > > channel would replace platform motion (I think Harris suffered > > > from varying levels of hiss on the difference channel). RCA > > > sounds incompatible with legacy radios. I really love the K-H > > > system for its ability to handle QRM and QSB. > > > > No, you misunderstand: The RCA system (and the modified Belar > > system( was AM sum, FM difference. Harris is a variable-phased > > AM/AM system, no FM component. > > Weren't there about three different variations of the Harris "AM" > stereo system? I seem to remember that there was a fixed angle > system, where the angle of the carriers for the L and R channels was > less than the 90 degrees in the standard quadrature system. This was > equivalent to reducing the amplitude of the quadrature "L-R" component > in order to provide envelope detector compatibility, but it had a > negative impact on the signal to noise ratio in the stereo mode. I > can't remember if this fixed narrow angle system was the first > version, or the last version. Then there was a variable angle system > where the "L-R" signal was compressed so that low level "L-R" > information was transmitted at the same level as in a normal > quadrature system, to maintain the signal to noise ratio, but peaks > were not allowed to cause the angle to increase to 90 degrees. IIRC a > compander control signal was transmitted on the pilot tone so that the > expander in the receiver could track the compression that was being > applied at the transmitter. I believe this is how the system was > advertised, and presented to the FCC. The third version was > effectively a normal 90 quadrature system. It was never clear to me > if Harris was just running with a fixed angle of 90 degree angle, or > if the compressor was so designed that it only operated on test tones, > but not program material, effectively giving a fixed 90 degree > quadrature system. I only know of the variable-phase and quadrature systems. I'll have to check the Harris patents, to see if I canh get that cleared up. > > As far as I can tell, the degree of phase in the Harris system was > > directly proportional to the average level of difference. The > > difference was otherwise amplitude-modulated, just as in most other > > quadrature AM systems, like phased ISB, QuAM (Philco), and C-QUAM. > > The "average level of difference", if that is what they used to > control the compressor, is probably what got the Harris system busted. I don't know, yet. I only learned this year that they -were- busted by the FCC. I had only thought it was Kahn that caused all of the FCC's headaches. =snip= > > If you want to know more about the RCA system (and general AM stereo > > theory- It really isn't as technical as some technical papers (and > > patents!) I've read), download these high-resolution B&W GIFs: > > ftp://209.193.77.58/usa/misc/rca/ > > > > (Don't view in Internet Explorer- It doesn't like large B&W GIFs.) > > > > Anyway, the "Noise-Free Radio" system was the opposite of the RCA > > system, in that NFR had an FM sum and AM difference, unlike > > RCA/Belar, which was AM sum, FM difference. > > Who proposed the "Noise-Free Radio" system, and where is it > documented? I don't see how it could be any more noise free than the > "opposite" system when operating in stereo mode, the only difference > would simply be a couple of signs in the matrix, which I wouldn't > expect to have any impact on noise in the stereo mode. The noise > might be reduced in mono mode radios, but that would depend on the > actual FM deviation used, or how "wideband" the FM component was > compared to the audio bandwidth of the system. I don't know who first proposed it, but the only site that even - mentions- "supporting" NFR was Inovonics (http://www.inovon.com/), makes of broadcast equipment. I have been planning to ask them about that, as well as looking for any patents for the system. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 21:20:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 05:20:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 26854 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 05:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 05:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41010.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.9) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 05:20:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20030329052020.80972.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.40.12] by web41010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:20:20 PST Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:20:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: OT: New job To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio At 7:30 this morning (Eastern Time), I'll start at WPEP/1570-Taunton, Ma., which is a mono news/talk operation. Website is: www.wpep1570.com. Just thought I'd drop a line! 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From baansy@yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 21:40:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 05:40:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 68509 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 05:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 05:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20501.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 05:40:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20030329054029.83661.qmail@web20501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.9.128.171] by web20501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:40:29 PST Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:40:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: HELLO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ANDREW BAANS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, my name is Andrew Baans. I live in Adelaide South Australia. I have a bit of an interest in Am stereo and have a small collection of recievers including a Sony SRF- a 300. The other day on the internet I found a couple of receivers you may or may not know about on the "The big Sony Index" page. Sony SRF-SX100RV Sony SRF-M100 Both have AM STEREO, digital tuning and one also picks up TV sound. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 21:45:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 05:45:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 5482 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 05:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 05:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 05:45:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 05:45:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 05:45:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Excellent and pretty radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 616 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I found this site and i find that all here go to like. I am=20 > Brazilian. Best regards here to all of the=20 > group...https://www.ogormans.co.uk One interesting thing on this site is a Sony AM/FM mono radio _with RDS_, at a price of =A342.00. At the current exchange rate,=20 that's $65.70 in U.S. dollars. I don't know if its reception is any good, but at that price I'd consider getting one just to be able to see which of my local FM stations are using RDS... because=20 aside from some high-end car radios and communications receivers,=20 radios with RDS capability are pretty much non-existent here in the USA. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 22:00:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 06:00:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 98167 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 06:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 06:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 06:00:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 06:00:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 06:00:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 641 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1254 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Even though most Harris stations converted to C-QUAM, KOMO remained > a Harris station at least up to 1991, if not to the C-QUAM > standardization of 1993, when it probably just went mono. I don't know if it's true, but I've heard that New Zealand chose Harris as their official AM Stereo system -- the only country which didn't ultimately choose C-Quam as their standard. Unfortunately, 1332 kHz "Radio i" in Auckland is the only licensed AM Stereo station there I've ever heard of, and they haven't transmitted in Stereo for quite a few years now. There are a few people in N.Z. running low-power "Alfredo Lite" C-Quam transmitters, but I wonder if a licensed station wanted to upgrade to Stereo, if they'd still have to use the Harris system? That would be quite difficult, as by now, whatever Harris exciters did exist have probably all either been junked or converted to C-Quam. It is also unknown what *version* of the Harris system N.Z. gave approval to -- it could be the complex "sliding pilot tone" version (circa late 1983), the fixed 55 Hz pilot tone version (circa early 1984), or the fixed 25 Hz pilot tone version (circa mid-1984, just before Harris gave up on their own system and started making C-Quam exciters). From dav259@csiro.au Fri Mar 28 22:10:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 06:10:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 87138 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 06:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 06:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 06:10:12 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2T6AA707359 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 17:10:10 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 17:10:10 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} HELLO In-Reply-To: <20030329054029.83661.qmail@web20501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, ANDREW BAANS wrote: > Hello, my name is Andrew Baans. I live in Adelaide South Australia. I > have a bit of an interest in Am stereo and have a small collection of > recievers including a Sony SRF- a 300. The other day on the internet I > found a couple of receivers you may or may not know about on the "The big > Sony Index" page. G'day Andrew Great to have someone from SA on the Forum. Stay around for the AM stereo renaisance when (and if) it occurs. Melbourne's five commercial stations still broadcast in AMS (am stereo) though 3MP is only transmitting a mono feed. Brisbane's 4BC and 4TAB are also stereo plus various regional stations. Can you tell us when the last Adelaide AM stations stopped broadcasting in stereo. 3LO is the only Melbourne station so far to ever permanently turn it off (in 1995). Adelaide has always had a strange market to the other capitals. Your Ch 9 is the only one not owned by the Nine Network - and your 5AA is the only one not owned by Southern Cross. And your 5SA-FM was the the foundation station of the Austereo Network. Did you used to listen to 5KA, 5DN, 5AN, and 5AD in stereo? Ian Melbourne From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 22:27:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 06:27:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 79196 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 06:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 06:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 06:27:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 06:27:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 06:27:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3155 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Weren't there about three different variations of the Harris "AM" > stereo system? Here's the story, as it was told to me by Cris Alexander, an engineer in the Broadcasting Professionals Forum on CompuServe. The original Harris AM Stereo system attempted to improve compatibility with mono radios by reducing the quadrature angle from 90 degrees to 30 degrees(?). However, this made Stereo reception more prone to noise and hiss on weaker signals, so they came up with a system which varied the quadrature angle depending on the expected compatibility problem with mono radios. Mono or narrow-separation audio would keep the QUAM angle near 90 degrees, while wide-separation Stereo would knock it down closer to 30 degrees to keep it from sounding too distorted on mono radios. This varying quadrature angle was to be tracked by the receiver, so that wide-separation audio would not experience a loss of apparent loudness. This was communicated to the receiver by using a "sliding" pilot tone which supposedly varied between 25 and 55 Hz (although I've also heard of it going up to more than 100 Hz), where 25 Hz was indicative of the lowest quadrature angle (maximum separation) and 55 Hz was indicative of full 90-degree quadrature (mono or near-mono audio). However, this made the decoder rather complex, and the sliding pilot tone was susceptible to interference "hits". Harris decided that the quadrature angle typically stayed close to the full 90 degrees anyway, so they locked the pilot tone at 55 Hz. However, the system was still transmitting with the variable quadrature angle feature in order to improve mono compatibility, but now receivers would no longer keep track of it exactly, so wide-separation audio would experience an apparent loss of loudness for Stereo listeners. There's one recording of 630 KHOW in Harris AM Stereo from June 1984 that has been on the Internet for a while (originally on Alex's site), and spectrum analysis of its audio reveals that at that time, KHOW was either using the sliding pilot tone system but their program audio kept it at or near 55 Hz most of the time, or they were using a fixed 55 Hz pilot. By late 1984, Harris decided that since the majority of multi-system AM Stereo receivers neither properly decoded the Harris system nor used a pilot tone detector at all, and since C-Quam-only receivers were quickly gaining popularity, they would switch the pilot tone down to 25 Hz, while the rest of the system design remained the same. This allowed C-Quam receivers to pick up Harris signals in Stereo, at the expense of increased distortion. This was the final iteration of the Harris system and although Harris officially abandoned further development of it by late 1984, a few dozen stations continued to use it all the way until when C-Quam became the official AM Stereo standard in the USA. In fact, Harris stations were given a longer amount of time to either convert to C-Quam or to drop to mono after C-Quam was approved as the standard; I believe the Harris system could still be used for 6 months or a year afterwards, well into 1994. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 23:09:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 07:09:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 84517 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 07:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 07:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 07:09:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 07:09:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 07:09:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 641 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 763 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Even though most Harris stations converted to C-QUAM, KOMO remained > > a Harris station at least up to 1991, if not to the C-QUAM > > standardization of 1993, when it probably just went mono. > > I don't know if it's true, but I've heard that New Zealand chose > Harris as their official AM Stereo system -- the only country which > didn't ultimately choose C-Quam as their standard. Unfortunately, > 1332 kHz "Radio i" in Auckland is the only licensed AM Stereo station > there I've ever heard of, and they haven't transmitted in Stereo for > quite a few years now. According to Ben Lennard, NZ officially recognizes C-QUAM as the AM stereo standard. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 23:19:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 07:19:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 94528 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 07:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 07:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 07:19:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 07:19:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 07:19:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 438 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Weren't there about three different variations of the Harris "AM" > > stereo system? > > Here's the story, as it was told to me by Cris Alexander, an engineer > in the Broadcasting Professionals Forum on CompuServe. =snip= Sounds like Harris' plumbing was just too complicated, I'm surprised it was ever actually approved for use. :/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From powell@conterra.com Sat Mar 29 06:38:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 14:37:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 56970 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 14:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 14:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 14:38:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 14:38:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:37:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 810 WMGC fined $10k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 465 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > w4opw wrote: > > What would 1K do at night for WFIS? > > The last time we did a DX test, the longest distance was a Listener in > Western PA! They got case of tapes from Radio Shack and a WFIS QSL Card. > Perhaps another DX test is in order? > > Kevin I meant local coverage. I should have been more clear ( but not Clear Channel...this is a regional frequency) Powell From powell@conterra.com Sat Mar 29 06:43:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 14:43:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 47747 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 14:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 14:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 14:43:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 14:43:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:43:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 810 WMGC fined $10k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1407 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" < > possumhunter@n...> wrote: > > Jim Burgan wrote: > > > I question whether flea-powered stations with less than 25 watts > > > should even have nighttime authorization. > > > > When WFIS first got the 25 Watts PSSA / Night power, it could be > > heard over 15 miles. With all of the cheaters on the band these > > days, we are doing good to get 7 miles at night. > > > Getting out 7 miles with only 25 Watts sounds like your are doing > pretty well. Not getting out 15 miles with only 25 Watts would >hardly > seem to suggest "cheaters on the band". Assuredly there are. Fayettteville NC and the dreaded WTZQ usually leave it up on full power and blast in here ( I'm 80 miles from WFIS) and are really strong. > I am not very familiar with > the PSSA, but I didn't think it included any protection from > interference? Even assuming you had the same nighttime protection as > a full class B station, your protected contour with 25 Watts would > only reach to about 4 miles, so if you are getting out to 7 miles, it > sounds like you aren't getting much interference, and there is little > reason to cry "cheaters on the band". > > John I can hear the cheaters down here, and if everyone were legal, the frequency would be much better at night. Powell From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Mar 29 09:48:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 17:48:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 24824 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 17:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 17:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 17:48:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 17:48:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 17:48:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1139 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.112 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > Weren't there about three different variations of the Harris "AM" > > > stereo system? > > > > Here's the story, as it was told to me by Cris Alexander, an > engineer > > in the Broadcasting Professionals Forum on CompuServe. > > =snip= > > Sounds like Harris' plumbing was just too complicated, I'm surprised > it was ever actually approved for use. :/ In what way was the "plumbing" for the Harris AM stereo system too complicated? It was just a plain old quadrature system with a compander on the "L-R" channel audio. The only unusual feature, for a broadcast system, was using the pilot to transmit a compander control signal to the receiver. Nothing unusual about companding the "L-R" audio, even the US Television Stereo system uses a compander in the "L-R" audio channel. The Harris AM stereo system didn't actually use any real plumbing, the only AM stereo system that I know of that used real plumbing was the RCA AM stereo system from 1959. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Mar 29 09:51:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 17:51:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 47653 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 17:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 17:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 17:51:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 17:51:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 17:51:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 810 WMGC fined $10k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2105 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.112 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g You missed my point, I guess I didn't state it too well. The point wasn't that there are no "cheaters on the band", I know there are "cheaters on the band", the point was that a range of "only" 7 miles with a power of 25 Watts on 1600 kHz could be the result of the legal operations of other stations, and is not of necessity caused by "cheaters on the band". The FCC offers no interference protection to PSSA operators, and PSSA coverage could be limited to even less than 7 miles by the perfectly legal operations of other stations. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" < > > possumhunter@n...> wrote: > > > Jim Burgan wrote: > > > > I question whether flea-powered stations with less than 25 watts > > > > should even have nighttime authorization. > > > > > > When WFIS first got the 25 Watts PSSA / Night power, it could be > > > heard over 15 miles. With all of the cheaters on the band these > > > days, we are doing good to get 7 miles at night. > > > > > > Getting out 7 miles with only 25 Watts sounds like your are doing > > pretty well. Not getting out 15 miles with only 25 Watts would > >hardly > > seem to suggest "cheaters on the band". > > Assuredly there are. Fayettteville NC and the dreaded WTZQ usually > leave it up on full power and blast in here ( I'm 80 miles from WFIS) > and are really strong. > > > I am not very familiar with > > the PSSA, but I didn't think it included any protection from > > interference? Even assuming you had the same nighttime protection > as > > a full class B station, your protected contour with 25 Watts would > > only reach to about 4 miles, so if you are getting out to 7 miles, > it > > sounds like you aren't getting much interference, and there is > little > > reason to cry "cheaters on the band". > > > > John > > > I can hear the cheaters down here, and if everyone were legal, the > frequency would be much better at night. > > Powell From powell@conterra.com Sat Mar 29 10:19:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 18:19:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 56942 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 18:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 18:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 18:19:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 18:19:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:19:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 810 WMGC fined $10k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1267 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > You missed my point, I guess I didn't state it too well. The point > wasn't that there are no "cheaters on the band", I know there are > "cheaters on the band", the point was that a range of "only" 7 miles > with a power of 25 Watts on 1600 kHz could be the result of the legal > operations of other stations, and is not of necessity caused by > "cheaters on the band". That is true, but not in this case. With AT LEAST those 2 I mentioned earlier, it makes a big difference. On 1590 WCAM with around 25 watts often does not make even a couple miles at night, usually 5 miles at best. But in this case the Johnson City TN station has 5000 watts da at night. Major lobe of 25K is aimed that way. > The FCC offers no interference protection to PSSA operators, and PSSA > coverage could be limited to even less than 7 miles by the perfectly > legal operations of other stations. > > John But in the case of the 1600 frequency this is not so. The cheaters have also seriously eroded the night coverage of the 1600 in Charlotte that has 1000 watts, but directional at night. [ I also wonder when / IF they are going to build their expanded band station].... Powell From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Mar 29 10:27:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 18:27:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 68554 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 18:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 18:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 18:27:19 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-168.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.168]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h2TIRFhp019233 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 12:27:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006701c2f621$60b62a60$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030329052020.80972.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: New job Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 12:28:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Starting a new job is always a bit stressful. Hopefully they'll be a good crew to work with and that you'll have much success while you're there. Congratulations. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > At 7:30 this morning (Eastern Time), I'll start > at WPEP/1570-Taunton, Ma., which is a mono > news/talk operation. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Mar 29 10:27:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 18:27:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 18832 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 18:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 18:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 18:27:21 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-168.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.168]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h2TIRFhr019233 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 12:27:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006801c2f621$624778c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030329054029.83661.qmail@web20501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} HELLO Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 12:30:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Glad you're here, Andrew. We've had a number of Aussies on the list, and it's great to have yet another. Please help us keep up the pressure to keep the stereo going at any of your local stations that still use it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANDREW BAANS" > > Hello, my name is Andrew Baans. I live in Adelaide South Australia. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 11:50:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 19:50:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 88118 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 19:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 19:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 19:50:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 19:50:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:50:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1662 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > > > Weren't there about three different variations of the Harris "AM" > > > > stereo system? > > > > > > Here's the story, as it was told to me by Cris Alexander, an > > engineer > > > in the Broadcasting Professionals Forum on CompuServe. > > > > =snip= > > > > Sounds like Harris' plumbing was just too complicated, I'm surprised > > it was ever actually approved for use. :/ > > > In what way was the "plumbing" for the Harris AM stereo system too > complicated? It was just a plain old quadrature system with a > compander on the "L-R" channel audio. The only unusual feature, for a > broadcast system, was using the pilot to transmit a compander control > signal to the receiver. Nothing unusual about companding the "L-R" > audio, even the US Television Stereo system uses a compander in the > "L-R" audio channel. Considering the variations of the system, it got complicated. Using variable phasing, rather than a fixed phase (ie: quadrature- 90deg.), it was perhaps too complicated to really work properly. > The Harris AM stereo system didn't actually use any real plumbing, the > only AM stereo system that I know of that used real plumbing was the > RCA AM stereo system from 1959. Eh, no. I wouldn't call the RCA system complicated at all, since all it employed was an FM modulator to modulate the difference, use a simple pre-emphasis, and delay. Nothing fancy. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 12:25:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 20:25:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 88906 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 20:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 20:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41009.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 20:25:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20030329202505.855.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.86.249.88] by web41009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 12:25:05 PST Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 12:25:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: New job To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006701c2f621$60b62a60$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Thank you, Scott. It seems so far that they are a good crew. This is my first time running the Met Opera, which really isn't too different from running football! 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Mar 29 12:56:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 20:56:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 79472 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 20:56:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 20:56:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.36.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 20:56:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 12:56:36 -0800 Received: from 172.135.36.20 by oe53.pav2.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:56:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 810 WMGC fined $10k Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:56:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2003 20:56:36.0853 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0224250:01C2F635] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.36.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 w4opw wrote: > I meant local coverage. I should have been more clear My home is on the daytime .75 Mv/Meter line for WFIS. I used to hear it on 25 Watts at night with lots of noise, now you can forget it WTZQ is solid. I got up for the 6:00 power change to the PSA 500 Watts this morning and at 500 Watts, I Could hear WFIS under WTZQ. At the 1000 Watt power change at 6:45 it was about an equal fight between WTZQ and WFIS. At my location, WTZQ is SUPPOSED to be less than 0.05 mv/Meter! Yea rite. Kevin From powell@conterra.com Sat Mar 29 13:58:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 21:58:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 68076 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 21:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 21:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 21:58:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 21:58:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 21:58:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 810 WMGC fined $10k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 756 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > w4opw wrote: > > I meant local coverage. I should have been more clear > > My home is on the daytime .75 Mv/Meter line for WFIS. I used to hear it on > 25 Watts at night with lots of noise, now you can forget it WTZQ is solid. I > got up for the 6:00 power change to the PSA 500 Watts this morning and at > 500 Watts, I Could hear WFIS under WTZQ. At the 1000 Watt power change at > 6:45 it was about an equal fight between WTZQ and WFIS. At my location, WTZQ > is SUPPOSED to be less than 0.05 mv/Meter! Yea rite. > > Kevin I just got the plots of WTZQ at 2500 and 5000 watts. GUESS WHAT! It does indeed look like something fishy is going on there.... Powell From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 23:03:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 30 Mar 2003 07:03:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 90700 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2003 07:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2003 07:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2003 07:03:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2003 07:03:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:03:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-A300 review Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2988 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Thanks to Chris Cuff, I now have a Sony SRF-A300 in my collection of AM Stereo radios. This is a Japan-only model, which is a shame because it's a great little radio. And I shouldn't say "little" because it's about twice the size of the classic SRF-A100... which you may not realize from how it looks: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/srf-a300.jpg It has a nice large tuning dial with a smooth, precise feel to it, and the built-in speakers deliver surprisingly good sound, with very good bass response for the size of the radio. A nice feature is that the dial lights up with a green glow at the touch of a button, and then slowly fades out. The bandwidth on AM isn't very wide, but it still sounds good through the built-in speakers. Its loudness contour also goes through the headphones jack, so it matches up nicely with Sony "ear buds" (the kind which say "Mega Bass" on the box but are actually more like "Mega Treble"). It has the Japanese 76-90 MHz FM band, but with modified coils in the FM tuner section, mine tunes up to about 100 MHz. As-is, AM on mine tunes from 530 to 1660 kHz, although I may try to tweak it a little so I can tune in 1680 WTTM in AM Stereo! Like most analog-tuning Sonys with AM Stereo, it is a "forced stereo" receiver, but the interesting thing is that it actually does do proper C-Quam decoding (cosine correction), unlike all the other forced-stereo radios I've seen. And testing with my multi-system generator, Harris AM Stereo sounds surprisingly good on it as well -- better than it does through both Sony's earlier "multi-system" decoder (in the SRF-A1, SRF-A100, etc.) and through "official" C-Quam decoders such as the MC13020 and TA8124. It's too bad Sony didn't use this design in the SRF-42 Walkman, which has great AMAX sound but is let down by the extra distortion of its non-C-Quam decoder. Sensitivity and selectivity are excellent as well, even with just the built-in ferrite bar antenna... in a few nights of DXing, I've already picked up some normally hard-to-get stations, including 920 CJCH from Halifax, NS, a rare catch which I've only ever heard before on a super-sensitive MetroSound tuner. Finally, another unusual feature for a radio of its size is a built-in AC power supply, but it was designed for 100-volt Japanese power, so I'm a bit hesitant to plug it into an American AC socket (which is claimed to be 110, 115, or 120 volts, but in the real world, some areas get as high as 127 volts). Nevertheless, of course it will also run fine on a set of AA batteries. Or, perhaps I could do the old trick of using a wire-wound resistor to drop down the voltage... I have a GE clock radio from the '70s which has no AC transformer at all -- the incoming AC line is wired in series with the electric clock motor, the radio circuit board, and a large wire-wound resistor. This is horribly inefficient, and the resistor generates a lot of heat, but it does get the job done! From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Mar 30 08:32:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 30 Mar 2003 16:32:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 55950 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2003 16:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2003 16:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2003 16:32:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2003 16:32:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:32:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1574 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.119 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > > wrote: > > Considering the variations of the system, it got complicated. Using > variable phasing, rather than a fixed phase (ie: quadrature- > 90deg.), it was perhaps too complicated to really work properly. Although I don't know how Harris implemented their AM stereo exciter, I would be surprised if they actually implemented it by varying the phase angle between the Left and Right channel carriers, that would create a lot of unnecessary problems. I suspect that they simply implemented it as the equivalent quadrature system, with a compressor in the "L-R" audio feed to the quadrature modulator. Anyone know for sure how Harris implemented their AM stereo exciter. > > The Harris AM stereo system didn't actually use any real plumbing, > > the only AM stereo system that I know of that used real plumbing > > was the RCA AM stereo system from 1959. > > Eh, no. I wouldn't call the RCA system complicated at all, since all > it employed was an FM modulator to modulate the difference, use a > simple pre-emphasis, and delay. Nothing fancy. I didn't call the RCA AM stereo system was complicated, I said the 1959 version of the RCA AM stereo system was the only AM stereo system that I know of that had "real" plumbing, that is plumbing with water running through it. It was a joke, and an interesting bit of trivia. John From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 10:34:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 30 Mar 2003 18:34:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 99702 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2003 18:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2003 18:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2003 18:34:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2003 18:34:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:34:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1100 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.161 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: =snip= > > > The Harris AM stereo system didn't actually use any real plumbing, > > > the only AM stereo system that I know of that used real plumbing > > > was the RCA AM stereo system from 1959. > > > > Eh, no. I wouldn't call the RCA system complicated at all, since all > > it employed was an FM modulator to modulate the difference, use a > > simple pre-emphasis, and delay. Nothing fancy. > > I didn't call the RCA AM stereo system was complicated, I said the > 1959 version of the RCA AM stereo system was the only AM stereo system > that I know of that had "real" plumbing, that is plumbing with water > running through it. It was a joke, and an interesting bit of trivia. Oh, hehe.. I usually catch the jokes.. *sheepish grin* I know the transmitter used did, but I'm not sure about the exciter being water-cooled. I'm sure the Philco, CBS, and Westinghouse exciters did, too, if the RCA one needed it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ai4i@hotmail.com Sun Mar 30 11:03:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai4i@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 30 Mar 2003 19:03:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 69257 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2003 19:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2003 19:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2003 19:03:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:03:12 -0800 Received: from 216.77.218.72 by dav33.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:03:11 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [ai4i@hotmail.com] To: References: <1049031746.3014.34251.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: What Is Available? Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:03:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2003 19:03:12.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[028DCFA0:01C2F6EF] From: "Joel Wilson" Reply-To: "Joel Wilson" X-Originating-IP: [216.77.218.72] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127893550 X-Yahoo-Profile: ai4ijoel I will be buying a new car stereo system soon. Is any CQuAM car radio currently available, new and off the shelf, preferably satellite radio compatible. Ive never bothered to keep my old radios, figuring newer and better ones would always be available and this forum has rekindled my interest in AM stereo. Joel Wilson AI4I ================================= Proud 2-B a pioneering satellite radio subscriber AI4I is always on the trailing edge of technology ================================= From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Mar 30 12:02:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 30 Mar 2003 20:02:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 39673 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2003 20:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2003 20:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2003 20:02:31 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-92.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.92]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h2UK2Shp004783 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:02:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006701c2f6f7$d9756660$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <1049031746.3014.34251.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} What Is Available? Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:06:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Nothing is available off the shelf. I think Chris Cuff might know if any could be converted to AMS. There was a Jensen system that could be converted as of a few years ago, but the circuit architecture in many radios prevents easy conversion. You'd likely have to use a set of CMOS switches to toggle between the stock audio output to the volume control and the AMS decoder. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilson" > I will be buying a new car stereo system soon. > Is any CQuAM car radio currently available, new and off the shelf, > preferably satellite radio compatible. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Mar 30 12:16:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 30 Mar 2003 20:16:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 52648 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2003 20:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2003 20:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2003 20:16:38 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id r.1dc.6671705 (4012) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:16:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1dc.6671705.2bb8aaa2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:16:34 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Software To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Still, that's muddy audio for those who don't own IBOC radios. C-QUAM only, NO IBOC. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Mar 30 12:16:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 30 Mar 2003 20:16:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 79535 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2003 20:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2003 20:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2003 20:16:42 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id r.146.dff31ed (4012) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:16:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <146.dff31ed.2bb8aaa3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:16:35 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New AM Stereo (IBOC) Software To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih RDS didn't succeed in St. Louis, either; by 2002, only KFUO-FM 99.1 was transmitting an RDS signal. RDS was very helpful in identifying FM stations via E-skip propagation; several FM DXers used RDS as a DX tool. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From bjackson@indyradio.com Sun Mar 30 15:28:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 30 Mar 2003 23:28:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 18503 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2003 23:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2003 23:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2003 23:28:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2003 23:28:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:28:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What Is Available? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 838 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Wilson" wrote: > I will be buying a new car stereo system soon. > Is any CQuAM car radio currently available, new and off the shelf, > preferably satellite radio compatible. > Ive never bothered to keep my old radios, figuring newer and better ones > would always be available and this forum has rekindled my interest in AM > stereo. of technology > ================================= I don't know of any aftermarket radios. But, as far as new factory installed radios, yes. Chrysler is still putting C-Quam in their radios. And When I bought my 2003 Focus, it seems Ford is also still supporting AM Stereo (Even though there is no mention of it in any advertising materials or the instruction manual.) - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - http://www.indyradio.com From powell@conterra.com Sun Mar 30 17:14:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 01:14:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 58634 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 01:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 01:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 01:14:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 01:14:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:14:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What Is Available? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 786 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Wilson" wrote: > I will be buying a new car stereo system soon. > Is any CQuAM car radio currently available, new and off the shelf, > preferably satellite radio compatible. > Ive never bothered to keep my old radios, figuring newer and better ones > would always be available and this forum has rekindled my interest in AM > stereo. > > > Joel Wilson > AI4I Well the new Fords will soon have the IBOC radios from Visteon, and those DO have C-Quam. I just don't know HOW soon. Kenwood supposedly will have the first other stuff out, I'd guess. I do not know if they will have C-Quam in it. I am not getting a new vehicle. The 88 Olds will be getting the install of the AM Stereo radio designed for it..... Powell From powell@conterra.com Sun Mar 30 17:16:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 01:16:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 70564 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 01:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 01:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 01:16:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 01:16:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:16:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: New AM Stereo (IBOC) Software Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <146.dff31ed.2bb8aaa3@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > RDS didn't succeed in St. Louis, either; by 2002, only KFUO-FM 99.1 was > transmitting an RDS signal. RDS was very helpful in identifying FM stations > via E-skip propagation; several FM DXers used RDS as a DX tool. But it's just American corporate cheapness, and I hear in Europe most digital radios over $50 have RDS. DUH! RDS can be installed in a station for well under $500. Powell W4OPW and sometimes even WKDK From powell@conterra.com Sun Mar 30 17:18:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 01:18:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 59071 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 01:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 01:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 01:18:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 01:18:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:18:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What Is Available? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 531 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > I don't know of any aftermarket radios. But, as far as new factory > installed radios, yes. Chrysler is still putting C-Quam in their > radios. And When I bought my 2003 Focus, it seems Ford is also still > supporting AM Stereo (Even though there is no mention of it in any > advertising materials or the instruction manual.) > > > - Brad Jackson So how good is the radio? And Brad, when you get out of your car, are you out of focus? Powell From tomray@wor710.com Sun Mar 30 18:04:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76457 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 02:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 02:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 02:04:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 02:04:25 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 02:02:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 7303 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 02:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 02:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 02:02:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 02:02:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:02:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC Audio Samples Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2074 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 Mar 2003 02:04:22 -0000 Ladies and gentlemen: As Kerry told you, iBiquity installed the latest version of software into WOR's IBOC exciter on Wednesday. I've posted new audio samples on the website: http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/hdindex.htm These samples are stereo. This software version is a considerable improvement from the previous two, but the algorithm isn't quite "there" yet. It is getting much closer. Kevin: what you were hearing with the carrier level dropping Wednesday was the transmitter taking VSWR hits and folding back it's power to 25KW. We found a bug in the setup portion of the software. There is a parameter called "Mag/Phase Delay". This is similar to the group delay adjustment on C-Quam exciters which adjusts the timing of the RF through the transmitter and is adjusted to produce minimum distortion. In IBOC, this will result in a "spectral regrowth" at +/-25kHz which is an image of the IBOC signal. This spectral regrowth is directly proportional to the bit-error rate....the lower the spectral regrowth, the lower the BER. We entered the correct value for the WOR system, but the bug is that the value was not saved in the normal manner and it reverted to the factory default. Unfortunately, the spectral regrowth was at about - 42dBc. It should be about -60. WOR's antenna exhibits "interesting" characteristics +/-25kHz from carrier due to the filtering and detuning we must do to protect 3 other stations on Valley Brook Avenue. The result is that a spike +/-25kHz from carrier at a level of -42dBc caused the transmitter to fold back it's power as it detected a VSWR condition that didn't exist. Firing up the spectrum analyzer showed the spikes......using a different method to save the correct value for the mag/phase delay brought the regrowth down to the normal level. It also gave me an opportunity to readjust the VSWR circuit tuning which hadn't been done in some time, so it worked out fine. Enjoy! Thomas R. Ray, III Corporate Director of Engineering Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio New York City From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 19:13:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 03:13:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 37044 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 03:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 03:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 03:13:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 03:13:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 03:13:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What Is Available? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 667 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.161 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" > wrote: > > I don't know of any aftermarket radios. But, as far as new factory > > installed radios, yes. Chrysler is still putting C-Quam in their > > radios. And When I bought my 2003 Focus, it seems Ford is also > still > > supporting AM Stereo (Even though there is no mention of it in any > > advertising materials or the instruction manual.) > > So how good is the radio? And Brad, when you get out of your car, > are you out of focus? *Amy baps Powell with a down-filled pillow* *PAF!* *PAF!* Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 20:26:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 04:26:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 27312 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 04:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 04:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 04:26:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20030331042648.7122.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.172] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:26:48 PST Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:26:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Harris AM Stereo System- yes! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Harris was my early favorite for the AM Stereo race, as CKLW was one of the first AMS stations in North America to broadcast in stereo AM with it. I built a "Dick Smith Electronics" Stereo AM decoder (from Oz) and it decoded both C-Quam and Harris with both 25Hz and 55Hz pilot decoders, so in Oz there were several Harris AMS stations early on according to the list that came with it. I believe that Dom who was once on our AMS list had also built the same kit. I heard CKLW in Harris, and I was very impressed with the quality. I'm happy to say that I'm now the proud owner of a Harris AMS exciter, but the power supply needs some repair yet! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 20:47:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 04:47:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 97870 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 04:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 04:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 04:47:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 04:47:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:47:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo System- yes! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030331042648.7122.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6413 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Harris was my early favorite for the AM Stereo race, as CKLW was > one of the first AMS stations in North America to broadcast in > stereo AM with it. As of June 1985, here's a list of the U.S. stations that were known to be transmitting in Harris AM Stereo: WJMW Athens AL 770 kHz Harris WMSL Decatur AL 1400 kHz Harris WOOF Dothan AL 560 kHz Harris WXOR Florence AL 1340 kHz Harris WLAY Muscle Shoals AL 1450 kHz Harris KCBF Fairbanks AK 820 kHz Harris KELD El Dorado AR 1400 kHz Harris KLRA Little Rock AR 1010 kHz Harris KAIR Tucson AZ 1490 kHz Harris KNWZ Anaheim CA 1190 kHz Harris KWRM Corona CA 1370 kHz Harris KFRE Fresno CA 940 kHz Harris KDAY Los Angeles CA 1580 kHz Harris KGFJ Los Angeles CA 940 kHz Harris KNRY Monterey CA 1240 kHz Harris KEEN San Jose CA 1370 kHz Harris KHOW Denver CO 630 kHz Harris WRCQ New Britain CT 910 kHz Harris WWWQ Panama City FL 1430 kHz Harris WPOM Riviera Beach FL 1600 kHz Harris WEAT W. Palm Beach FL 850 kHz Harris WQKA Atlanta GA 1190 kHz Harris WQXI Atlanta GA 790 kHz Harris WSOK Savannah GA 1230 kHz Harris KSO Des Moines IA 1460 kHz Harris WDBQ Dubuque IA 1490 kHz Harris KGLO Mason City IA 1300 kHz Harris WLS Chicago IL 890 kHz Harris WPRS Paris IL 1440 kHz Harris WGEM Quincy IL 1440 kHz Harris WQHK Ft. Wayne IN 1380 kHz Harris WPAD Paducah KY 1560 kHz Harris WJBO Baton Rouge LA 1150 kHz Harris WXOK Baton Rouge LA 1460 kHz Harris KJEF Jennings LA 1290 kHz Harris KLOU Lake Charles LA 1580 kHz Harris W___ Bethesda MD ____ kHz Harris WBRN Big Rapids MI 1460 kHz Harris WCUZ Grand Rapids MI 1230 kHz Harris WPLB Greenville MI 1380 kHz Harris WTCM Traverse City MI 580 kHz Harris KATE Albert Lea MN 1450 kHz Harris KSUM Fairmont MN 1370 kHz Harris KYMN Northfield MN 1080 kHz Harris KYSM N. Mankato MN 1230 kHz Harris WDAF Kansas City MO 610 kHz Harris WTUP Tupelo MS 1490 kHz Harris KXLF Butte MT 1370 kHz Harris WISE Asheville NC 1310 kHz Harris WJIK Camp LeJeune NC 1580 kHz Harris WCKB Dunn NC 780 kHz Harris WLAS Jacksonville NC 910 kHz Harris WKIX Raleigh NC 850 kHz Harris WPTF Raleigh NC 680 kHz Harris WSIC Statesville NC 1400 kHz Harris WKSK W. Jefferson NC 580 kHz Harris WMFD Willmington NC 630 kHz Harris WTOB Winston-Salem NC 1380 kHz Harris KFYR Bismarck ND 550 kHz Harris KFGO Fargo ND 790 kHz Harris K___ Lisbon ND 890 kHz Harris KOGA Ogallala NE 930 kHz Harris KLTN Albuquerque NM 1240 khz Harris KXAK Corrales NM 1310 kHz Harris KROW Reno NV 780 kHz Harris WBCO Bucyrus OH 1540 kHz Harris WGAR Cleveland OH 1220 kHz Harris WCOL Columbus OH 1230 kHz Harris WING Dayton OH 1410 kHz Harris WHIZ Zanesville OH 1240 kHz Harris KATT Oklahoma City OK 1140 kHz Harris KSPI Stillwater OK 780 kHz Harris KAGI Grants Pass OR 930 kHz Harris KAJO Grants Pass OR 1270 kHz Harris WRID Indiana PA 1520 kHz Harris WIS Columbia SC 560 kHz Harris WJXY Conway SC 1050 kHz Harris WESC Greenville SC 660 kHz Harris WXAX Lexington SC 1170 kHz Harris KELO Sioux Falls SD 1320 kHz Harris W___ Chattanooga TN ____ kHz Harris KRBC Abilene TX 1470 kHz Harris KPUR Amarillo TX 1440 kHz Harris KNOW Austin TX 1490 kHz Harris KAGC Bryan TX 1510 kHz Harris KTAM Bryan TX 1240 kHz Harris KIKR Conroe TX 880 kHz Harris KHEY El Paso TX 690 kHz Harris WHIN Gallatin TX 1010 kHz Harris KYST Houston TX 920 kHz Harris KTUN Humble TX 1180 kHz Harris KPRE Paris TX 1250 kHz Harris KSJL San Antonio TX 760 kHz Harris KDOK Tyler TX 1490 kHz Harris KTBB Tyler TX 600 kHz Harris WACO Waco TX 1460 kHz Harris KRSP Salt Lake City UT 1060 kHz Harris KQEU Olympia WA 920 kHz Harris KJR Seattle WA 950 kHz Harris KOMO Seattle WA 1000 kHz Harris KIT Yakima WA 1280 kHz Harris WNFL Green Bay WI 1440 kHz Harris WIBA Madison WI 1310 kHz Harris WWNR Beckley WV 620 kHz Harris KRAE Cheyenne WY 1480 kHz Harris KIML Gillette WY 1270 kHz Harris From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 20:48:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 04:48:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 77440 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 04:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 04:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 04:48:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 04:47:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:45:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What Is Available? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 315 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics >> So how good is the radio? And Brad, when you get out of your car, >> are you out of focus? > > *Amy baps Powell with a down-filled pillow* *PAF!* *PAF!* Well, that's no worse than driving a Saturn... and, did you know, SATURN actually stands for "Sounds Absolutely Terrible, Unbelievable Rattling Noises"? From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Mar 30 21:13:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 05:13:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 44492 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 05:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 05:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 05:13:04 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-55.skyweb.net [66.6.130.183]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2V5PR0f087797 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 00:25:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3E87CE6D.C1C86FC8@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 00:13:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Harris AM Stereo System- yes! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Gee ...... this list is not Current.. WTTM is using the Harris AM Stereo System.. and not Listed Neal "Kevin T." wrote: > > Harris was my early favorite for the AM Stereo race, as CKLW was > > one of the first AMS stations in North America to broadcast in > > stereo AM with it. > > As of June 1985, here's a list of the U.S. stations that were known > to be transmitting in Harris AM Stereo: > > WJMW Athens AL 770 kHz Harris > WMSL Decatur AL 1400 kHz Harris > WOOF Dothan AL 560 kHz Harris > WXOR Florence AL 1340 kHz Harris > WLAY Muscle Shoals AL 1450 kHz Harris > KCBF Fairbanks AK 820 kHz Harris > KELD El Dorado AR 1400 kHz Harris > KLRA Little Rock AR 1010 kHz Harris > KAIR Tucson AZ 1490 kHz Harris > KNWZ Anaheim CA 1190 kHz Harris > KWRM Corona CA 1370 kHz Harris > KFRE Fresno CA 940 kHz Harris > KDAY Los Angeles CA 1580 kHz Harris > KGFJ Los Angeles CA 940 kHz Harris > KNRY Monterey CA 1240 kHz Harris > KEEN San Jose CA 1370 kHz Harris > KHOW Denver CO 630 kHz Harris > WRCQ New Britain CT 910 kHz Harris > WWWQ Panama City FL 1430 kHz Harris > WPOM Riviera Beach FL 1600 kHz Harris > WEAT W. Palm Beach FL 850 kHz Harris > WQKA Atlanta GA 1190 kHz Harris > WQXI Atlanta GA 790 kHz Harris > WSOK Savannah GA 1230 kHz Harris > KSO Des Moines IA 1460 kHz Harris > WDBQ Dubuque IA 1490 kHz Harris > KGLO Mason City IA 1300 kHz Harris > WLS Chicago IL 890 kHz Harris > WPRS Paris IL 1440 kHz Harris > WGEM Quincy IL 1440 kHz Harris > WQHK Ft. Wayne IN 1380 kHz Harris > WPAD Paducah KY 1560 kHz Harris > WJBO Baton Rouge LA 1150 kHz Harris > WXOK Baton Rouge LA 1460 kHz Harris > KJEF Jennings LA 1290 kHz Harris > KLOU Lake Charles LA 1580 kHz Harris > W___ Bethesda MD ____ kHz Harris > WBRN Big Rapids MI 1460 kHz Harris > WCUZ Grand Rapids MI 1230 kHz Harris > WPLB Greenville MI 1380 kHz Harris > WTCM Traverse City MI 580 kHz Harris > KATE Albert Lea MN 1450 kHz Harris > KSUM Fairmont MN 1370 kHz Harris > KYMN Northfield MN 1080 kHz Harris > KYSM N. Mankato MN 1230 kHz Harris > WDAF Kansas City MO 610 kHz Harris > WTUP Tupelo MS 1490 kHz Harris > KXLF Butte MT 1370 kHz Harris > WISE Asheville NC 1310 kHz Harris > WJIK Camp LeJeune NC 1580 kHz Harris > WCKB Dunn NC 780 kHz Harris > WLAS Jacksonville NC 910 kHz Harris > WKIX Raleigh NC 850 kHz Harris > WPTF Raleigh NC 680 kHz Harris > WSIC Statesville NC 1400 kHz Harris > WKSK W. Jefferson NC 580 kHz Harris > WMFD Willmington NC 630 kHz Harris > WTOB Winston-Salem NC 1380 kHz Harris > KFYR Bismarck ND 550 kHz Harris > KFGO Fargo ND 790 kHz Harris > K___ Lisbon ND 890 kHz Harris > KOGA Ogallala NE 930 kHz Harris > KLTN Albuquerque NM 1240 khz Harris > KXAK Corrales NM 1310 kHz Harris > KROW Reno NV 780 kHz Harris > WBCO Bucyrus OH 1540 kHz Harris > WGAR Cleveland OH 1220 kHz Harris > WCOL Columbus OH 1230 kHz Harris > WING Dayton OH 1410 kHz Harris > WHIZ Zanesville OH 1240 kHz Harris > KATT Oklahoma City OK 1140 kHz Harris > KSPI Stillwater OK 780 kHz Harris > KAGI Grants Pass OR 930 kHz Harris > KAJO Grants Pass OR 1270 kHz Harris > WRID Indiana PA 1520 kHz Harris > WIS Columbia SC 560 kHz Harris > WJXY Conway SC 1050 kHz Harris > WESC Greenville SC 660 kHz Harris > WXAX Lexington SC 1170 kHz Harris > KELO Sioux Falls SD 1320 kHz Harris > W___ Chattanooga TN ____ kHz Harris > KRBC Abilene TX 1470 kHz Harris > KPUR Amarillo TX 1440 kHz Harris > KNOW Austin TX 1490 kHz Harris > KAGC Bryan TX 1510 kHz Harris > KTAM Bryan TX 1240 kHz Harris > KIKR Conroe TX 880 kHz Harris > KHEY El Paso TX 690 kHz Harris > WHIN Gallatin TX 1010 kHz Harris > KYST Houston TX 920 kHz Harris > KTUN Humble TX 1180 kHz Harris > KPRE Paris TX 1250 kHz Harris > KSJL San Antonio TX 760 kHz Harris > KDOK Tyler TX 1490 kHz Harris > KTBB Tyler TX 600 kHz Harris > WACO Waco TX 1460 kHz Harris > KRSP Salt Lake City UT 1060 kHz Harris > KQEU Olympia WA 920 kHz Harris > KJR Seattle WA 950 kHz Harris > KOMO Seattle WA 1000 kHz Harris > KIT Yakima WA 1280 kHz Harris > WNFL Green Bay WI 1440 kHz Harris > WIBA Madison WI 1310 kHz Harris > WWNR Beckley WV 620 kHz Harris > KRAE Cheyenne WY 1480 kHz Harris > KIML Gillette WY 1270 kHz Harris > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From powell@conterra.com Sun Mar 30 21:53:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 05:53:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 95112 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 05:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 05:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 05:53:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 05:53:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 05:53:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC Audio Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 835 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Ladies and gentlemen: > > As Kerry told you, iBiquity installed the latest version of software > into WOR's IBOC exciter on Wednesday. I've posted new audio samples > on the website: > > http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/hdindex.htm > > These samples are stereo. This software version is a considerable > improvement from the previous two, but the algorithm isn't > quite "there" yet. It is getting much closer. There is an improvement. But, please change the Frank Sinatra one with New York New York. I've Got the World on a String was recorded in 1953. Not stereo. Sounds just like the CD one I have from the masters. I like that song but I think you need another song. And New York New York, well of course that just says it all. Powell From powell@conterra.com Sun Mar 30 21:56:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 05:56:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 99649 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 05:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 05:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 05:56:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 05:56:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 05:56:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo System- yes! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 557 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Harris was my early favorite for the AM Stereo race, as CKLW was > > one of the first AMS stations in North America to broadcast in > > stereo AM with it. > > As of June 1985, here's a list of the U.S. stations that were known > to be transmitting in Harris AM Stereo: > > WQKA Atlanta GA 1190 kHz Harris That would be WGKA. WVOC 560 Columbia SC was Harris too, exciter is still there. And no, the engineer wouldn't give it to me, YET. Powell From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 22:03:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 06:03:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 66774 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 06:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 06:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 06:03:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 06:03:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 06:03:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo System- yes! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E87CE6D.C1C86FC8@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 435 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Gee ...... this list is not Current.. WTTM is using the Harris > AM Stereo System.. and not Listed > Neal We're talking about Harris's *own* AM Stereo system, which they stopped development of long ago... I know WTTM and many other stations use AM Stereo exciters *manufactured* by Harris, but these actually generate the Motorola C-QUAM system... not Harris's own defunct VCPM (Variable Compatible Phase Modulation) system. From rwagoner1@mac.com Sun Mar 30 22:56:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 06:56:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 7220 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 06:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 06:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 06:56:04 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030331065555.GVYL1559.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:55:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 22:56:02 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Harris AM Stereo System- yes! Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable KGFJ was not 940 AM, it was 1230.. On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 08:47 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > Harris was my early favorite for the AM Stereo race, as CKLW was > > one of the first AMS stations in North America to broadcast in > > stereo AM with it. > > As of June 1985, here's a list of the U.S. stations that were known > to be transmitting in Harris AM Stereo: > > =A0 WJMW=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Athens=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 AL=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 770 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WMSL=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Decatur=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 AL=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 1400 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WOOF=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Dothan=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 AL=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 560 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WXOR=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Florence=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 AL=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 1340 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WLAY=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Muscle Shoals=A0 AL=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1450 kHz= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KCBF=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Fairbanks=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 AK=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 820 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KELD=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 El Dorado=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 AR=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = 1400 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KLRA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Little Rock=A0=A0=A0 AR=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1010= kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KAIR=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Tucson=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 AZ=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 1490 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KNWZ=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Anaheim=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 CA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 1190 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KWRM=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Corona=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 CA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 1370 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KFRE=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Fresno=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 CA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 940 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KDAY=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Los Angeles=A0=A0=A0 CA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1580= kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KGFJ=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Los Angeles=A0=A0=A0 CA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 9= 40 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KNRY=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Monterey=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 CA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 1240 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KEEN=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 San Jose=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 CA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 1370 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KHOW=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Denver=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 CO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 630 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WRCQ=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 New Britain=A0=A0=A0 CT=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 9= 10 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WWWQ=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Panama City=A0=A0=A0 FL=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1430= kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WPOM=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Riviera Beach=A0 FL=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1600 kHz= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WEAT=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 W. Palm Beach=A0 FL=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 850 k= Hz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WQKA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Atlanta=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 GA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 1190 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WQXI=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Atlanta=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 GA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 790 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WSOK=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Savannah=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 GA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 1230 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KSO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Des Moines=A0=A0=A0=A0 IA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = 1460 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WDBQ=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Dubuque=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 IA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 1490 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KGLO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Mason City=A0=A0=A0=A0 IA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 13= 00 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WLS=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Chicago=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 IL=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 890 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WPRS=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Paris=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 IL=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 1440 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WGEM=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Quincy=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 IL=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 1440 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WQHK=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Ft. 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Paris=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TX=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 1250 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KSJL=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 San Antonio=A0=A0=A0 TX=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 7= 60 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KDOK=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Tyler=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TX=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 1490 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KTBB=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Tyler=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TX=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 600 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WACO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Waco=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TX=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 1460 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KRSP=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Salt Lake City UT=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1060 kHz= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KQEU=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Olympia=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 WA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 920 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KJR=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Seattle=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 WA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 950 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KOMO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Seattle=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 WA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 1000 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KIT=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Yakima=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 WA=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 1280 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WNFL=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Green Bay=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 WI=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = 1440 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WIBA=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Madison=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 WI=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 1310 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 WWNR=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Beckley=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 WV=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 620 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KRAE=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Cheyenne=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 WY=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 1480 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > =A0 KIML=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Gillette=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 WY=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 1270 kHz=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Harris > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 00:21:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 08:21:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 15408 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 08:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 08:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 08:21:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 08:21:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:21:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Harris AM Stereo System- yes! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 434 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > As of June 1985, here's a list of the U.S. stations that were known > to be transmitting in Harris AM Stereo: =snip= > KFRE Fresno CA 940 kHz Harris > KDAY Los Angeles CA 1580 kHz Harris These two were already converted to C-QUAM by the time I finally heard them in stereo, in 1985. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 00:22:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 08:22:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 66642 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 08:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 08:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 08:22:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 08:22:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:22:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What Is Available? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 461 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > >> So how good is the radio? And Brad, when you get out of your car, > >> are you out of focus? > > > > *Amy baps Powell with a down-filled pillow* *PAF!* *PAF!* > > Well, that's no worse than driving a Saturn... and, did you know, > SATURN actually stands for "Sounds Absolutely Terrible, Unbelievable > Rattling Noises"? I wouldn't know- I can't drive. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 01:36:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 09:36:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 7072 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 09:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 09:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 09:36:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 09:36:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:36:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC Audio Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2180 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > These samples are stereo. This software version is a considerable > improvement from the previous two, but the algorithm isn't > quite "there" yet. It is getting much closer. I honestly don't hear any real improvement, aside from the fact that it's now "stereo" instead of mono. Otherwise, it sounds exactly the same as the previous (mono) audio samples on your site, except with what appears to be a *decrease* in treble response, perhaps to make the effect of the "simulated" treble harmonics less noticeable. It still sounds extremely "hazy" or "congested", with little useful treble response above 8 or 9 kHz. Even with the 10 kHz NRSC filter in place, wide-band analog AM -- mono or Stereo -- still sounds more crisp and clean, and is likely closer to what an uninitiated listener would call "FM-quality". IBOC would sound a lot better if it used the same encoding system as the latest version of RealAudio. In my listening experience, it is the best-sounding format for providing Stereo music at low bit-rates (less than 64 kbps). For example, here's the RealAudio web-cast of BBC Radio 2: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/realmedia/fmg2.ram I believe it streams at up to 64 kbps, which is at least the quality level I would hope to get from IBOC on the FM band, while "56K" modem users will likely step down to a 44 kbps stream, which is still surprisingly hi-fi -- undoubtedly better than what I've heard of IBOC-AM so far. Even at 32 kbps, it still provides crisp, clear Stereo -- and for poor bandwidth conditions, it will step down to 20 or even 16 kbps and still deliver Stereo sound. And audio quality issues aside, this web-cast of BBC Radio 2 is definitely worth listening to in any event, because the network's programming, personalities, and music selection are all absolutely top-notch, in my opinion... not to mention the fact that it's commercial-free. If I had a high-speed connection I think I'd keep it playing all day long, and maybe even broadcast it on my AM Stereo transmitter so I can listen to it anywhere in the house (or anywhere in the neighborhood, depending on how strictly I follow the Part 15 rules ). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 01:42:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 09:42:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 94979 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 09:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 09:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 09:42:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 09:42:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:42:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What Is Available? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 194 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I wouldn't know- I can't drive. :) Well, you're not missing much... I think by now, even Wyoming has traffic jams... (and to quote the Garfield TV cartoon show, "NOBODY LIVES IN WYOMING!") From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Mar 31 02:04:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 10:04:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 91393 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 10:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 10:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 10:04:02 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-53.skyweb.net [66.6.130.181]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2VAGR0f060883 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 05:16:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3E88129D.4144CE17@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 05:04:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Harris AM Stereo System- yes! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 ok I miss Understood the statement" Harris's AM stereo" I did Not know Harris had its Own type of Stereo Before the C-Quam. Because I may have read it wrong In the Manual I thought it said. " VCPM (Variable Compatible Phase Modulation)". Maybe it was discussing the Different types of AM stereo Before C-Quam. Could very well Be My Error... I am not Perfect For I am just another Broadcast Engineer Robot. Over worked underpaid... Neal "Kevin T." wrote: > > Gee ...... this list is not Current.. WTTM is using the Harris > > AM Stereo System.. and not Listed > > Neal > > We're talking about Harris's *own* AM Stereo system, which they > stopped development of long ago... I know WTTM and many other > stations use AM Stereo exciters *manufactured* by Harris, but these > actually generate the Motorola C-QUAM system... not Harris's own > defunct VCPM (Variable Compatible Phase Modulation) system. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Mar 31 05:39:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 13:39:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 73909 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 13:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 13:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 13:39:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 13:39:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:39:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What Is Available? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 609 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > I wouldn't know- I can't drive. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Amy, scurry on down to a Radio Shack near you. Now that they don't "bother" with selling electronic parts any more, they have more shelf space for other things and you can probably get a great deal on the Stuart Little car they sell. Perhaps you should make purchasing the car conditional on them throwing in an AM Stereo car stereo. Its called Radio Shack sales staff tormenting - one of my hobbies. RS - "You've got questions, we've got blank stares" Phil R. From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Mar 31 06:50:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 14:50:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 33715 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 14:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 14:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 14:50:09 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:50:08 -0700 Message-ID: <00be01c2f794$d299a3e0$0701010a@keva> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What Is Available? Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:50:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey now, I resemble that remark!! And incidentally, I just found out this weekend that 92.1 KFRZ Green River, Wyoming is using RDS. Not taking advantage of anything other than displaying the KFRZ calls when you tune into it, but it was still interesting to see it pop up there....had never seen ANY Wyoming station using RDS til now. Michael n WYOMING ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:42 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: What Is Available? > I wouldn't know- I can't drive. :) Well, you're not missing much... I think by now, even Wyoming has traffic jams... (and to quote the Garfield TV cartoon show, "NOBODY LIVES IN WYOMING!") [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Mon Mar 31 07:49:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 15:49:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 14790 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 15:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 15:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 15:49:38 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-012scfairp0074.dialsprint.net ([63.189.176.74] helo=earthlink.net) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1901XV-0001nu-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:49:37 -0800 Message-ID: <3E886390.375FFB35@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:49:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WONN 1230am Lakeland FL References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: dwtpa97 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 WONN is identifying itself as "am stereo", although I don't know if it is actually broadcasting in stereo or not (my car radio unfortunately is not am stereo). Dick W. Tampa From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 07:51:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 15:51:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 32906 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 15:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 15:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 15:51:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 15:50:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:50:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What Is Available? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 416 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > RS - "You've got questions, we've got blank stares" Actually, it's more like "You've got questions, we've got batteries. Can I interest you in a free cell phone?" :-) Don't ask me how I know that if you go for a job interview at a Radio Shack store, they ask you two questions: What do we sell the most of, and what do we make the most profit from. Of course, the correct answer to both is "batteries". From ai4i@hotmail.com Mon Mar 31 08:02:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai4i@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 16:02:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 43918 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 16:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 16:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.196) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 16:01:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:01:45 -0800 Received: from 216.77.210.185 by DAV61.sea2.internal.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:01:44 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [ai4i@hotmail.com] To: References: <1049105045.1755.91398.m4@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 644 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:01:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2003 16:01:45.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3F0EAF0:01C2F79E] From: "Joel Wilson" Reply-To: "Joel Wilson" X-Originating-IP: [216.77.210.185] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127893550 X-Yahoo-Profile: ai4ijoel > I don't know of any aftermarket radios. But, as far as new factory > installed radios, yes. Chrysler is still putting C-Quam in their > radios. And When I bought my 2003 Focus, it seems Ford is also still > supporting AM Stereo (Even though there is no mention of it in any > advertising materials or the instruction manual.) Hard to tell which makes are installing in which models when they fail to promote it. We taxi drivers go through cars like most folks go through socks. I drove a '92 Crown Vic (or was it a Grand Marquis) with AMS, I don't think it was a cop car. I currently drive a '97 Crown Vic retired cop car which is definitely without AM stereo. Here is the epitome of Ford cheapness: Would you believe those cop cars have 6x9" cutouts in the rear decks and 6x9" plates with 5.5" holes cut out of them, and 5.5" round speakers? I don't know what radio would fit in the dashboard, as the Ford radio has a huge frontal area, but only goes a few short inches back. In '98, they reintroduced clocks in their new radios, but I think the '98 cop cars are still mono AM. My experience is that most police officers have a matching pair of ears for good stereo separation, but perhaps dealing with all the late night drunks introduces platform motion into the equation. Joel Wilson Fort Lauderdale ========================================= Proud 2-B a pioneering satellite radio subscriber AI4I is always on the trailing edge of technology ========================================= From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Mar 31 08:23:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 16:23:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 2414 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 16:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 16:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 16:23:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 16:22:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:22:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What Is Available? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1666 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Leaky batteries at that. The RS green coloured zinc choride batteries are fine. Its those dreadful alkalines that leak badly. I believe they are made for RS by Energizer. Energizer batteries leak for me, and also will reverse polarity. Bizarre, but my multimetre doesn't lie. I have good luck with Duracell for high drain use. For low drain applications, I like zinc cloride - RS green, Panasonic heavy duty etc. One sales guy at one of our local RS stores used to work for Eveready in Walkerton Ont. He pushes the Alkalines and runs down the green zinc clorides. Of course, I tell him my experience. Call it waxy build up, but he hasn't learned to modify his ptch for me yet. He is so stubborn that now if I want to buy RS greens, I have to go to another store. Which I do. Guess they sell radios, toys etc. so they can...sell batteries! Bet they would start selling AM Stereo radios if they believed they ate batteries! Hmmmm, maybe RS in Canada is pushing DAB for this very reason... Perhaps RS will push IBOC if they believe IBOC eats batteries... This could explain the invasion of toys at your local RS. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > RS - "You've got questions, we've got blank stares" > > > Actually, it's more like "You've got questions, we've got batteries. > Can I interest you in a free cell phone?" :-) > > > Don't ask me how I know that if you go for a job interview at a Radio > Shack store, they ask you two questions: What do we sell the most of, > and what do we make the most profit from. Of course, the correct > answer to both is "batteries". From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 09:27:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 17:27:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 26468 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 17:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 17:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 17:27:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 17:27:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:27:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: What Is Available? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00be01c2f794$d299a3e0$0701010a@keva> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 311 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Hey now, I resemble that remark!! I could say something about Wyoming stations being nothing more than radio beacons to direct UFOs to Devil's Tower, but eh.. ;) Or something to keep the horses happy.. ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 10:43:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 18:43:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 3404 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 18:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 18:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 18:43:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 18:39:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:39:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What Is Available? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2058 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: =snip= > Hmmmm, maybe RS in Canada is pushing DAB for this very reason... From what I have read on a DAB mailing list, the RS DAB radio in Canada -does- eat batteries like crazy, which is considered very odd, considering the UK DAB portables seem to work with this better. Mrrf.. Radio Shack... Buy up as many hobby-electronics businesses as possible, then shove the hobby electronics in back to promote consumer electronics with their own overpriced, usually crappy products, then drop -them- for name-brand electronics. They even dropped their own line of computers, then the most successful home computer maker untill the Dells and Compaqs started taking their place. Is it any wonder the electronics hobby is so bad off these days? Radio Shack destroyed the market. I don't think I can ever forgive Radio Shack for that. All they are good for -are- batteries (generally if you avoid the house-brand ones), power adapters, antennas and shortwave radios. ...And the electronics parts in the back, as long as you ignore the sparse selection. Just about everything else you can get cheaper, better, elsewhere. I love electronics, but I just don't frequent Radio Shack much anymore, except for those less-common batteries. I really miss the days of hobby electronics, where creativity counted for something. I'm not saying it's dead- There are plenty of hobbyists online- just so marginalized to the point that it can't be supported as much anymore. Very few electronics magazines these days, and most of them on barely-survivable budgets. Even ham magazines are much less common than they once were. And communications magazines are in a similar crunch. It's hard to find very many even in the AM stereo community interested in building their own radios, or experimenting in AM stereo. Even if I can't trust myself with a soldering iron, I'm still interested. Just trying to afford things like solderless breadboards, though.. :/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 11:39:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 19:39:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 4560 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 19:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 19:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 19:39:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 19:39:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:39:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC Audio Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1599 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics FYI, here's one reason why the IBOC audio samples sound rather "dull" or "congested": http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/wor-grph.gif The blue line is the frequency response of the L+R (mono) component, and the purple line is the frequency response of the L-R (stereo difference) component. It shows that while the main mono part of the IBOC audio does have response up to 15 kHz, the stereo separation is limited to a range of about 400 Hz to 4 kHz. Granted, this is the most important range for giving audio the "stereo" effect, but having stereo separation over a wider range gives extra "clarity" and "detail" the sound, and is important for having sound that can truly be called "hi-fi". With an ideal wide-band receiver, C-Quam AM Stereo can deliver full stereo separation up to the 10 kHz NRSC limit, and down all the way to 50 Hz (important for correct reproduction of '60s songs which often had the bass track in the Left or Right channel only). And even with more common receivers, AM Stereo's separation is still superior -- for example, with a 6 kHz IF filter (used in the Sony SRF-42) you get good stereo separation up to 6 kHz and then a gradual blend towards mono above that point -- rather than a sharp cut-off. Obviously, when you take into consideration that IBOC-AM is using a bit-rate of only 36 kbps, it's remarkable that it provides *any* Stereo separation at all, but in order for it to live up to its claims of being "near-FM-quality" -- or to even match the quality of existing C-Quam AM Stereo -- significant improvement will be needed. From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Mar 31 13:28:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 21:28:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 32914 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 21:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 21:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 21:28:35 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.60]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:28:35 -0700 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: What Is Available? Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:27:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess that would explain the giant ciricle burned in the field out by our tower :) Strangely enough, you'll laugh, but yes, we do quite frequently in the spring,summer, and fall have herds of cattle grazing all around us. If we didn't have a fence around the base of the tower, we'd have roast beef! (and then cry wee wee wee all the way home??) MJR :) -----Original Message----- From: amymousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:28 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: What Is Available? I could say something about Wyoming stations being nothing more than radio beacons to direct UFOs to Devil's Tower, but eh.. ;) Or something to keep the horses happy.. ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bjackson@indyradio.com Mon Mar 31 14:35:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 22:35:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 80659 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 22:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 22:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 22:35:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 22:35:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:35:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What Is Available? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 598 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.142.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > > So how good is the radio? And Brad, when you get out of your car, > are you out of focus? > > Powell The new Ford radios are OK...More narrow than the Delco UX-1 and Chrysler Stereo models...I'm guessing maybe response out to about 6.5khz? The seperation, however, is wide and very clean, even on weak signals. Before KCJJ started all of their CNN War coverage, the music sounded very good. A little bump on the treble control made it excellent. - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - http://www.indyradio.com From bjackson@indyradio.com Mon Mar 31 14:41:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 22:41:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 98924 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 22:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 22:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 22:41:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 22:41:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:41:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 644 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.142.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 From all the car shopping I went through, I *think* the Ford models that either 1) Say Premium Sound or 2) Have MP3 playback on the CD player have C-Quam. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Wilson" wrote: > Hard to tell which makes are installing in which models when they fail to > promote it. > We taxi drivers go through cars like most folks go through socks. > I drove a '92 Crown Vic (or was it a Grand Marquis) with AMS, I don't think > it was a cop car. > I currently drive a '97 Crown Vic retired cop car which is definitely > without AM stereo. > Here is the epitome of Ford cheapness: > Would you believe those cop cars have 6x9" cutouts in the rear decks and > 6x9" plates with 5.5" holes cut out of them, and 5.5" round speakers? > I don't know what radio would fit in the dashboard, as the Ford radio has a > huge frontal area, but only goes a few short inches back. In '98, they > reintroduced clocks in their new radios, but I think the '98 cop cars are > still mono AM. > My experience is that most police officers have a matching pair of ears for > good stereo separation, but perhaps dealing with all the late night drunks > introduces platform motion into the equation. > > > Joel Wilson > Fort Lauderdale > ========================================= > Proud 2-B a pioneering satellite radio subscriber > AI4I is always on the trailing edge of technology > ========================================= From alinton@iol.ie Mon Mar 31 15:19:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 23:19:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 93759 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 23:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 23:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davros) (194.165.169.184) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 23:19:31 -0000 Received: from Spooler by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO000501; 1 Apr 03 00:19:31 +0100 Received: from spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 1 Apr 03 00:19:12 +0100 Received: from fr1.totalbroadcast.net (192.168.0.1) by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG0004FD; 1 Apr 03 00:19:06 +0100 X-MSReally-From: alinton@iol.ie Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030401001651.03098fa0@fr1> X-Sender: alinton@fr1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 00:19:01 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC Audio Samples In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 02:02 31/03/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Ladies and gentlemen: > >As Kerry told you, iBiquity installed the latest version of software >into WOR's IBOC exciter on Wednesday. I've posted new audio samples >on the website: > >http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/hdindex.htm Hi all, Well it's my first chance to hear some IBOC, and I'm afraid it sounded like a dodgy internet radio feed, and not nearly as good as a good analog AM transmission. Top-end artifacts - which people do find objectionable - are still evident. Sorry, but I'd still rather listen to analog Am than that. rgds ----------------------------------- Andy Linton Waterford, Ireland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Mar 31 15:25:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 23:25:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 28476 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 23:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 23:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 23:25:41 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-138.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.138]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h2VNPbhp013997 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:25:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007d01c2f7dd$675a4f00$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What Is Available? Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:29:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I know this is contributing to the S/N ratio here, but do you know of a better place to get batteries? Seems Batteries Plus has good prices on such stuff as AA batteries, but the button cells are another matter- prices almost as bad as Rat Shack. Mouser has good prices, but I unless I'm putting together a fairly good sized order I don't bother since it would be offset with shipping costs. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: What Is Available? > > RS - "You've got questions, we've got blank stares" > > > Actually, it's more like "You've got questions, we've got batteries. > Can I interest you in a free cell phone?" :-) > > > Don't ask me how I know that if you go for a job interview at a Radio > Shack store, they ask you two questions: What do we sell the most of, > and what do we make the most profit from. Of course, the correct > answer to both is "batteries". > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 16:32:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 00:32:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 81273 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 00:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 00:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 00:32:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2003 00:32:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 00:32:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What Is Available? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 855 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: =snip= > The new Ford radios are OK...More narrow than the Delco UX-1 and > Chrysler Stereo models...I'm guessing maybe response out to about > 6.5khz? The seperation, however, is wide and very clean, even on weak > signals. Before KCJJ started all of their CNN War coverage, the music > sounded very good. A little bump on the treble control made it > excellent. Sounds like they're better that the one in the '01 Lincoln Town Car my mother and I rented when we headed down to Santa Rosa-- It had RDS, but on the AM stereo, there is too much stereo blend on weaker stations. Was getting hardly any separation from KABL on that radio, even though the "stereo" indicator lit up. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From boogie350@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 18:12:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 02:12:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 86540 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 02:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 02:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 02:12:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2003 02:12:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 02:12:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Audio Quality Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 7135 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Boogie350 Auctions " X-Originating-IP: 24.236.140.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750 X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 I meant to post this reply earlier today but I accidently sent it to private email... :-( OOPS! > > No, of course a listener is not going to tune away from a station > > because it isn't the loudest one on the dial. > > > > > This is not a conscious decision, the listener doesn't > > say to herself, I'm going to look for the loudest station to listen > > too, it's simply that a louder station is more likely to catch her > > attention as she is scanning for something she likes. > > I had to join the group over this thread! Hi all! > > As someone who put 20 years into radio as both an announcer and > engineer, I have to say that I disagree with this logic. > > First off... All radio listeners are female now? Is it just that > programming is so spoon-fed to "soccer mom's" that the men of the > world don't matter anymore as far as advertising is concerned or is > it that radio has driven off all the men to CD's and MP3's? > > Secondly... The "casual" listener CAN detect audio processing and > often DOES find it annoying at extreme levels (or should I > say "typical" by today's standards?). They don't know > it's "compression" per se, but they know something's "different" > between the sound of radio and their CD's MP3's etc. I noticed it > myself when I was about 5 years old and wondered why my records > had "quiet spots" when they didn't on the radio. A call to "bug" the > DJ answered my question: "we use limiters to turn up the quiet > parts". > > With the advent of Internet and MP3, more people are discovering > exactly what it is (we'll call it "gain rediction" to clarify from DA > algorithms) that makes radio sound different. Just about anyone who > listens to MP3's (that's evidently a *LOT* of people!) realize the > need to "normalize" the varying levels of the MP3's with some form of > a gain reduction plug-in. The simplest and most widely used is > probably Audiostocker, but there's everything from simple limiters > (SQRSoft Comp/Limiter) to full-featured multi-band processor plug- ins > (Sound Solution) now available for Winamp. > > In my 20 years in radio, I have *NEVER* had a listener complain that > a station wasn't compressed or loud enough, just management types. I > *have*, however, had many listeners call into one station after I > pulled a Gates Statesman limiter (the one with the "peak-flipping" > relay!) out of the air chain. It was followed a Dorrough DAP-310 > w/preemphasis card on the advice of the station consultant > (naturally!) who claimed the station "wasn't loud enough" (sound > familiar?). The listeners noticed the difference and several > commented that the station "sounded clearer" without the limiter in > the air chain. > > I also worked at 2 stations which upgraded to C-QUAM in the late 80's > and replaced the old air chain with CRL stacks running moderate > processing levels. Many more "the station sounds a lot better" calls > from listeners. Don't be fooled... "average" listeners *do* hear the > effects of audio processing (squash, pumping and "noise rush") but > just do not understand what the cause is. > > IMHO, C-QUAM *should* have redeemed AM from becoming the "format > graveyard" that it is today, had the FCC not choked on setting a > standard and "letting the marketplace decide" was simply a retarded > policy. IBOC I just don't see as the "savior" of terrestrial radio. > As long as owners like CC, etc., continue with their present mandates > of bad airsound, voicetracking, canned programming and 300 song > playlists, radio (AM *and* FM) is going to continue to drive away > listeners in droves. There are too many alternatives (Satellite, MP3, > CD) to draw radio listeners away. > > The "Format of the week" trend is the worst offender, alienating > listeners by the thousands on a regular basis. Most top-rated > stations are at the top because they have provided the same quality > programming for many years and remained constant while the rest of > the dial is in a constant state of turmoil. The major chains think > what works in Los Angeles works the same in Toledo. Sorry, but > stripping the community's local programming and involvement away and > plugging in "The Mix" or Rush Limbaugh into a Scott's Studio and > walking away is *NOT* radio! It's BULL**** and the listener's know > it. When stations don't even provide such basic community service as > timely notification of severe weather warnings, just what the hell > use has it? When I have to rely on monitoring Skywarn spotters on the > police scanner to keep abreast of severe weather developments, local > radio isn't much use at all. If I just want the samee 300 songs over > and over, I'll throw a playlist into Winamp and spare myself the 28 > minute barrage of spots every hour. > > I think that the FCC should "reregulate" radio, at least limiting > station ownership and mandating at least a minimum amount of "locally- > originated programming". Back in the day, you could only simulcast > (even local programming) for so many hours a day on more than one > station. It's obvious that deregulation and "self policing" just > isn't cutting it and is quickly shooting nails into radio's coffin. > > The overall lack of engineering ethics is sickening too. Some > stations are so far out of licensed specs as to be interfering with > other local stations and services, something I see a lot of comments > about on the internet groups and forums. > > In my area, the FM's typically operate at 105% modulation most of the > time and someone evidently hasn't informed owners of the "use an AGC > to protect the STL from overmodulation" concept. Board ops simply > bury the meters on the consoles now pretty much all the time. > > One local AM station is running an FM processor (with no NRSC > equipment and no assymetry - it splatters out to probably 15kHz) and > I have seen it with my own eyes! > > But I've seen even worse! I've seen a few AM directional > arrays "tweaked" to fill in nulls with no authorization from the FCC. > One I have seen had a base current 2.5 amps above license values and > a phase angle shifted by nearly 10 degrees. The same station had also > raised their nighttime power level by nearly 200 watts. > > The REAL sad thing about this trend??? No "NAL" letters, no "cease & > desist" orders... The FCC simply turns the other way while owners > willingly and blatantly violate license parameters, strip the > stations of any hint of "local community service" and cound really > care less about the community they are supposed to be "serving". The > stations are reduced to "just another set of calls to add to our > brochures". > > That's why I finally abandoned the career I loved in radio. I simply > have too much "integrity" and "commitment to quality" to work in the > stockholder-ruled mess that is radio in it's present state. Maybe the > feds will finally have some balls to step in and save radio from it's > imminent demise, but I'm not holding my breath waiting on those > jellyfish to do anything for the overall good of radio. > > Okay, I'm better now! :-) > > The Boogieman From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Mar 31 18:31:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 02:31:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 274 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 02:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 02:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.36.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 02:31:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:31:55 -0800 Received: from 172.140.148.83 by oe22.pav2.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 02:31:53 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What Is Available? Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:31:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2003 02:31:55.0429 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC90D550:01C2F7F6] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.140.148.83] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Michael J. Richard wrote: > I guess that would explain the giant circle burned in the field out by our tower :) Once upon a time there was a radio station engineer who was also a UFO nut. I have made some very interesting patterns in his antenna field with alternating circles of Round-Up herbicide and Miracle Grow liquid fertilizer. LOL! He swore UFOs were attracted to the RF. One of y'all might know this engineer, so I ain't going to post his name or the station call letters, but it was a funny joke. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Mar 31 19:11:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 03:11:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 32169 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 03:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 03:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.36.191) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 03:11:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:11:53 -0800 Received: from 172.140.148.83 by oe57.pav2.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 03:11:53 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <3E88129D.4144CE17@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Harris AM Stereo System- yes! Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:11:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2003 03:11:53.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[720318A0:01C2F7FC] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.140.148.83] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Neal Newman wrote: >In the Manual I thought it said. " VCPM (Variable Compatible Phase Modulation)". Betcha you have an older Harris exciter that was converted to C-QUAM after Harris dropped the Harris system. WPCI 1490 has a BE Harris system exciter that was converted to C-QUAM. Kevin From powell@conterra.com Mon Mar 31 19:14:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 03:14:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 31740 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 03:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 03:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 03:14:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2003 03:14:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 03:14:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What Is Available? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 777 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: > Leaky batteries at that. The RS green coloured zinc choride > batteries are fine. Its those dreadful alkalines that leak >badly. I haven't seen the green ones in years. > I believe they are made for RS by Energizer. Energizer batteries > leak for me, and also will reverse polarity. Bizarre, but my > multimetre doesn't lie. The newer higher output ones aren't fun. > I have good luck with Duracell for high drain use. For low drain > applications, I like zinc cloride - RS green, Panasonic heavy duty > etc. I like the RED Fuji's. I bought GOBS of the red Fuji 9V ones to make a 67.5 V B battery for my tube RCA portable. I use rechargeables most of the time. Powell From powell@conterra.com Mon Mar 31 19:16:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 03:16:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 36085 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 03:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 03:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 03:16:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2003 03:16:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 03:16:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What Is Available? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 724 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > > > > So how good is the radio? And Brad, when you get out of your car, > > are you out of focus? > > > > Powell > > > The new Ford radios are OK...More narrow than the Delco UX-1 and > Chrysler Stereo models...I'm guessing maybe response out to about > 6.5khz? The seperation, however, is wide and very clean, even on weak > signals. Before KCJJ started all of their CNN War coverage, the music > sounded very good. A little bump on the treble control made it > excellent. > > - Brad Jackson I've got a UX-1 waiting for me to put in the 88 Cutlass. Powell From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon Mar 31 21:04:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 05:04:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 50670 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 05:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 05:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 05:04:40 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030401050426.QFSC1559.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 00:04:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:04:36 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC Audio Samples Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030401001651.03098fa0@fr1> Message-Id: <6F0DCCC6-63FF-11D7-8EA4-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have to admit, I'm not impressed. Mono, on my tube Fisher tuner=20=20 sounds much better than the Ibiquity stereo recordings; stereo on my=20=20 Carver TX11b sounds much better than Ibiquity as well. The digital=20=20 signal just sounds like a bad AM radio to me, and actually not even=20=20 better than the posted analog samples ... just different. The high end=20=20 sounds really bad. Richard > >Ladies and gentlemen: > > > >iBiquity installed the latest version of software > >into WOR's IBOC exciter on Wednesday.=A0 I've posted new audio samples > >on the website: > > > >http://=20 > www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/hdindex.htm > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon Mar 31 21:16:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 05:16:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 31488 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 05:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 05:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 05:16:20 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030401051411.OBLZ11958.fed1mtao02.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 00:14:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:14:12 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What Is Available? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You guys never saw the pilot episode of The Outer Limits, huh? On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 06:31 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Michael J. Richard wrote: > > I guess that would explain the giant circle burned in the field out > by our > tower :) > > Once upon a time there was a radio station engineer who was also a UFO > nut. > I have made some very interesting patterns in his antenna field with > alternating circles of Round-Up herbicide and Miracle Grow liquid > fertilizer. LOL! He swore UFOs were attracted to the RF. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jim@burgan.net Mon Mar 31 22:33:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 06:33:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 22786 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 06:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 06:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc01.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.163) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 06:33:31 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-234-107.client.insightbb.com[12.221.234.107]) by sccimhc01.insightbb.com (sccimhc01) with SMTP id <20030401063331im1002keg7e>; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:33:31 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c2f818$9eb1c830$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <6F0DCCC6-63FF-11D7-8EA4-0005021D3C76@mac.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC Audio Samples Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 01:33:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Ladies and gentlemen: > > > >iBiquity installed the latest version of software > >into WOR's IBOC exciter on Wednesday. I've posted new audio samples > >on the website: > > > >http:// > www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/hdindex.htm > The digital signal still sounded like Real Audio streaming on a 56k dial-up. The artifacting and swishing of highs is also somewhat annoying. Better than ever before, but still not nearly as good as C-Quam AM stereo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 23:41:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 07:41:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 74715 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 07:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 07:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 07:41:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2003 07:41:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 07:41:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC Audio Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c2f818$9eb1c830$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2130 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The digital signal still sounded like Real Audio streaming on a 56k > dial-up. The artifacting and swishing of highs is also somewhat > annoying. Better than ever before, but still not nearly as good as > C-Quam AM stereo. Investigating more closely with spectrum analysis, it appears that IBOC is trying to use its "simulated" treble reproduction for all audio content above 4.2 kHz! That's what makes it sound so horrible, because the 4 to 8 kHz region is very important for delivering clear, life-like speech and music... and when you cut this out and replace it with "guestimated" harmonics, then it sounds awfully "robotic" and artificial.... and in the case of WOR's audio samples, I think it's really, REALLY horrible on Mr. Sinatra's voice... it makes Ol' Blue Eyes sound like he has a kazoo in his throat! (LOL...) I think IBOC, at least on the AM band, only got tentatively approved by the NRSC and FCC because they conducted audio tests using a previous generation of the digital encoding which didn't use such drastic treble synthesis -- and likely sounded considerably better. In their ruling, the FCC actually says something to the effect of "iBiquity has changed the encoding system for IBOC, but we don't feel the need to do any actual listening tests of it, because we trust their claims that it is 'near-FM-quality'". However, if they actually listened to this new version of IBOC audio, I sincerely think they never would have approved it... listening to a few minutes of audio samples is one thing, but you have to remember that radio stations want people to listen for HOURS... and can you stand listening to such poor audio quality for any extended period? I know I couldn't -- it would drive me nuts! p.s. To Mr. Richards and Mr. Ray at WOR... remember, despite my criticism of IBOC here, I mean no offense to either of you or to anybody else at WOR personally... I may disagree with the whole point of using IBOC, but somebody's got to be at the forefront of experimenting with it, even if it turns out to be a flop -- and I applaud you for your hard work in this matter. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Apr 01 05:27:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 13:27:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 18286 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 13:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 13:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 13:27:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2003 13:27:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 13:27:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: A Sad Dam story... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1299 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Recently I read a sad story about a station here in Atlantic Canada. Seems that to save money, this station used a wooden pole [35 metres in height]to mount a couple radomes for its FM operation. This site was high on a mountain [if you can call 1000 feet a mountain] in a heavily wooded area - just a very washed out dirt road leading to the top. At any rate, one day this 3kw wonder went off the air. The chief engineer begged and borrowed the station's cruiser - you know, a white Explorer or Durango with flashing lights on top, a gaudy logo job and sponsorship advertising to boot all over it - and slowly crawled his way to the top - getting stuck several times but pressing on. When he got to the top, he discovered the problem. The wooden pole was on its side, radomes smashed. The sabatour? Saddam out to extract revenge for his son's TV station being bombed off the air? A chainsaw guy with an "axe to grind"? No, a beaver or two or three out to build a DARN, no a "dam" fine home. The moral of the story? Use steel towers. The second moral of the story, don't believe what you read on April 1st. Happy April Fools Day! Phil R. But then there is the story of the wolverine who chewed through the guy wires...the moose that tore up the ground radials...etc. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Apr 01 07:23:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 15:23:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 53473 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 15:23:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 15:23:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 15:23:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2003 15:23:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 15:23:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Grundig S350 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1262 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Does anyone on the forum have any experience with this new offering? I notice it has wide and narrow bandwidth, selectable via a switch. Is this a choice between narrow and extremely narrow, as per a good DX radio, or wide and narrow from a quasi-hi-fi/dx perspective? I note the radio is supposed to be an alalogue tuning rig with a digital display. Has anyone tried converting it to AM Stereo? Just as background, it like many other Grundig products, is made by Tecsun in China. From a quick look at it at my local RS, it appears to be similar in concept to the CCRadio, except adding SW, subtracting TV and memories. According to some reviews, the dial calibration is somewhat off, in otherwords you might have to tune to 717 to be dead on 720 khz. Of course, this may be an intentional offset, as a Grundig YB400 sounds quite nice "detuned" in such a manner. My theory is that it is varactor diode based. I believe that Kevin T. or Chris had mentioned before that the GE SR III, also varactor diode tuning, was a poor candidate for an AM Stereo conversion. I like the bulk and no nonsense look of this radio [no memories for me to not use!]and the price - $150 CDN - is quite tempting. Not that I need another radio lol! Phil R. From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Apr 01 07:25:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 15:25:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 20959 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 15:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 15:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 15:25:09 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:25:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c2f862$dc12d3a0$0701010a@keva> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Sad Dam story... Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:24:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL! Thanks Phil I needed the laugh! MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Rafuse To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:27 AM Subject: {AMSF} A Sad Dam story... Recently I read a sad story about a station here in Atlantic Canada. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Apr 01 08:20:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 16:20:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 90324 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 16:20:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 16:20:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 16:20:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2003 16:20:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 16:20:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Grundig S350 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Guess I can partly answer this myself. There is a yahoo group for this radio. I joined, and viewed some photos. www.radiointel.com/preview-bcl2000p.htm It uses variable capacitors for tuning - I counted at least two - someone said 3. It seems to use IF transformers!!! There appears to be some room inside the radio - around the speaker. This just might make a good conversion to AM Stereo, using its stereo line output jacks. If so, add a decent set of amplified computer speakers, and presto - a sensitive AM Stereo/FM Stereo/SW receiver. Hmmm, CQUAM stereo SW??? The radio devil may just be tempting me, one more time. This rig is different enough that it might be a lot of fun. But, it is reputed to have some serious image problems. Could this become a new "typical radio"? Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: > Does anyone on the forum have any experience with this new > offering? I notice it has wide and narrow bandwidth, selectable via > a switch. Is this a choice between narrow and extremely narrow, as > per a good DX radio, or wide and narrow from a quasi-hi-fi/dx > perspective? I note the radio is supposed to be an alalogue tuning > rig with a digital display. Has anyone tried converting it to AM > Stereo? > > Just as background, it like many other Grundig products, is made by > Tecsun in China. > > From a quick look at it at my local RS, it appears to be similar in > concept to the CCRadio, except adding SW, subtracting TV and > memories. According to some reviews, the dial calibration is > somewhat off, in otherwords you might have to tune to 717 to be dead > on 720 khz. Of course, this may be an intentional offset, as a > Grundig YB400 sounds quite nice "detuned" in such a manner. > > My theory is that it is varactor diode based. I believe that Kevin > T. or Chris had mentioned before that the GE SR III, also varactor > diode tuning, was a poor candidate for an AM Stereo conversion. > > I like the bulk and no nonsense look of this radio [no memories for > me to not use!]and the price - $150 CDN - is quite tempting. Not > that I need another radio lol! > > Phil R. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 08:36:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 16:36:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 8425 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 16:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 16:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 16:36:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2003 16:36:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 16:36:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A Sad Dam story... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 248 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.121 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: =snip= > But then there is the story of the wolverine who chewed through the > guy wires...the moose that tore up the ground radials...etc. Umm.. HEY! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From boogie350@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 10:01:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 18:01:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 59627 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 18:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 18:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 18:01:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2003 18:01:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 18:01:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Conversion questions... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1434 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Boogie350" X-Originating-IP: 24.236.140.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750 X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 A few questions WRT conversions. 1- Where's the best place to get the decoder IC's? 2- Are the "Cuff" boards still available? 3- Comments on converting any of the following radios: - Sangean ATS 803A portable - Philips/Magnavox FW65C Bookshelf system (should be no problem) - Pioneer VSX 305 Home Theatre Receiver - Realistic DX-370 (Sangean ATS 800A) Digital Multiband Portable - RCA RS 2506 Bookshelf system - Sharper Image SM-432 pocket portable (nice little digital radio!) The Sangean ATS-803A would be great in Stereo, if it's possible. It already has pretty decent AM sound in wide bandwidth mode. I know there is probably adequate space in it for a decoder board as I had to replace the front end FET in it once after a static discharge zapped it. I also did the "anti-chuff" mod while it was apart. For the $75US I paid for it, it's been a really nice radio. I am eventually going to buy one of those new JRC rigs.. they look *sweet*! BTW... funny how old boatanchor radio gear (like Urei Limiters) go for unreal prices on ebay nowdays! I could kick myself for all the old "storage-room specials" I have discarded over the years! I used to have a basement full of old limiters, monitors, tube amps, consoles, etc., and I tossed most of it in a move back in '92, thinking "who the heck would ever use any of this old crap"?? HAH!! Jokes on me now, huh? (I think I'll go cry in the closet for a while!) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 10:18:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 18:18:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 90262 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 18:18:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 18:18:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 18:18:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20030401181820.50091.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 10:18:20 PST Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:18:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Looking for Radios? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio FYI: If somebody on the list was still looking for a Sony 2010, the Fry's Electronics store in LA has them on clearance for $300.00 Also, I was told a local "Meijer Store" has the GE SR3 radio on clearance for $41 US. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From boogie350@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 10:19:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 18:19:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 65736 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 18:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 18:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 18:19:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2003 18:19:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 18:19:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Conversion questions... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1434 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Boogie350" X-Originating-IP: 24.236.140.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750 X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 A few questions WRT conversions. 1- Where's the best place to get the decoder IC's? 2- Are the "Cuff" boards still available? 3- Comments on converting any of the following radios: - Sangean ATS 803A portable - Philips/Magnavox FW65C Bookshelf system (should be no problem) - Pioneer VSX 305 Home Theatre Receiver - Realistic DX-370 (Sangean ATS 800A) Digital Multiband Portable - RCA RS 2506 Bookshelf system - Sharper Image SM-432 pocket portable (nice little digital radio!) The Sangean ATS-803A would be great in Stereo, if it's possible. It already has pretty decent AM sound in wide bandwidth mode. I know there is probably adequate space in it for a decoder board as I had to replace the front end FET in it once after a static discharge zapped it. I also did the "anti-chuff" mod while it was apart. For the $75US I paid for it, it's been a really nice radio. I am eventually going to buy one of those new JRC rigs.. they look *sweet*! BTW... funny how old boatanchor radio gear (like Urei Limiters) go for unreal prices on ebay nowdays! I could kick myself for all the old "storage-room specials" I have discarded over the years! I used to have a basement full of old limiters, monitors, tube amps, consoles, etc., and I tossed most of it in a move back in '92, thinking "who the heck would ever use any of this old crap"?? HAH!! Jokes on me now, huh? (I think I'll go cry in the closet for a while!) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 10:20:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 18:20:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 69057 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 18:20:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 18:20:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 18:20:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20030401182011.90550.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 10:20:11 PST Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:20:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Your Thoughts and Comments To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio What do the rest of you think about 500 LPFM applications getting the boot because they might cause 3rd adjacent interference, when IBOC/IBAC/HD can cause 1st adjacent interference? Do the rest of you see this as an issue, or not? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Apr 01 11:51:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 19:51:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 59120 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 19:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 19:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 19:31:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2003 19:31:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 19:31:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your Thoughts and Comments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030401182011.90550.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1735 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I'm just glad I live in a land regulated by the CRTC! We've had low power FM for years, primarily for campus and community stations. If a community feels ignored, and can put together a non-profit organization, do their homework on the technical end, and put together a good pitch on programming, it stands a pretty good chance of receiving CRTC approval. Third adjacent is say 100.9 and 101.5, correct? With modern receivers, this should be no problem. CKTO and CIGO don't interfere with each other - TO is 50kw and GO is 19kw. Transmitter site spacing is about 80 miles. 15 miles from GO's transmitter, TO is pretty fringe, yet GO doesn't hurt them. Vice versa is also true. Back in the days of AFC, third adjacent might have been an issue. With modern PLL receivers, it should not be a problem unless two high power FM stations were 3rd adjacent away from each other. A 100 watt station 3rd adj to say a 25 kw station 10 miles away should not create any problems for the 25kwer! I can see that some applications might have to be denied on a case by case basis. But dismissing 500 applications seems to suggest that "Money Talks" - an old CJFX contest - has become a regulatory motto south of the border. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > What do the rest of you think about 500 LPFM applications getting the boot > because they might cause 3rd adjacent interference, when IBOC/IBAC/HD can cause > 1st adjacent interference? Do the rest of you see this as an issue, or not? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://platinum.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Apr 01 13:47:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 21:47:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 42499 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 21:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 21:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 21:47:43 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.246]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:45:30 -0500 Message-ID: <008a01c2f898$768a7ca0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Conversion questions... Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:48:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 My boards are still available- Sorry to anyone that I have not gotten back to. My dad is getting ready for knee replacement surgery, and coupled with a load of other work, I can not always answer emails as quickly as I used to. I have plenty of IC's- But the only assembled decoder I am making now is the MC13028 mini decoder. It is well suited for all of the radios mentioned, but I cannot offer individual help on interfacing at this time. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Boogie350 To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: {AMSF} Conversion questions... > A few questions WRT conversions. > > 1- Where's the best place to get the decoder IC's? > > 2- Are the "Cuff" boards still available? > > 3- Comments on converting any of the following radios: > > - Sangean ATS 803A portable > - Philips/Magnavox FW65C Bookshelf system (should be no problem) > - Pioneer VSX 305 Home Theatre Receiver > - Realistic DX-370 (Sangean ATS 800A) Digital Multiband Portable > - RCA RS 2506 Bookshelf system > - Sharper Image SM-432 pocket portable (nice little digital radio!) > From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Apr 01 16:47:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 00:47:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 79595 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 00:47:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 00:47:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 00:47:56 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-156.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.156]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h320lrhp008588 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:47:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001101c2f8b2$1087d640$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Audio Quality Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:51:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't know that a lot of the power/pattern cheaters are the big corporates. I work for publicly traded Salem Communications, and they insist on squeaky clean operations technically. In fact, they're one of the few radio groups that are actually doing well in the stock market. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boogie350 Auctions " > > That's why I finally abandoned the career I loved in radio. I simply > > have too much "integrity" and "commitment to quality" to work in the > > stockholder-ruled mess that is radio in it's present state. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Apr 01 17:12:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 01:12:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 96342 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 01:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 01:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 01:12:47 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-156.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.156]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h321Chhp015891 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:12:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007a01c2f8b5$8934c0a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your Thoughts and Comments Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:16:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The irony wasn't lost on me either. Even with a lot of older equipment I can separate and get the weaker of two stations- 25 kW on 95.5 12 miles from the transmitter and 3kW on 95.9, about 25 miles away. Even my Sony SRF-A100 doesn't do as well on FM as my old Dynaco FM-1 or Radiocraftsmen model 10 (both late 50s/early 60s.) There's absolutely no reason to kill LPFM and allow HD on interference grounds. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Rafuse" > I'm just glad I live in a land regulated by the CRTC! We've had low > power FM for years, primarily for campus and community stations. If > a community feels ignored, and can put together a non-profit > organization, do their homework on the technical end, and put > together a good pitch on programming, it stands a pretty good chance > of receiving CRTC approval. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Apr 01 17:23:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 01:23:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 643 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 01:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 01:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 01:23:22 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-156.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.156]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h321NIhp019276 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:23:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <008801c2f8b7$03b9b140$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Conversion questions... Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:27:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you can get me the schematics for any of them, I might be able to guide you through a conversion. It's pretty hard to tell without one, since some radios run the AM audio out of the FM decoder chip which means a more complicated circuit to bypass it for stereo AM. A lot also depends upon how original you want to keep the radio looking. I'm nearly done with a classic Sansui 5050 where I had to peel the dial scale off its metal back plate, take it to a machine shop to cut a new hole in the metal, have the dial scale engraved with AM STEREO to look similar to the FM STEREO indicator (if the fool thing just said STEREO, I could have used the same indicator! >sigh<). It's going to look like it came from the factory set up this way. Obviously not everyone is going to want to go to this level of effort. I find that sometimes adding the AM stereo indicator can take far longer than just hooking up the board even with a common indicator light. BTW- I would have been interested in all that junk long before ebay. Been collecting stuff for years. I also know of a station in northern MN still running a Urie BL-40 Modulimiter. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boogie350" > 3- Comments on converting any of the following radios: > > - Sangean ATS 803A portable > - Philips/Magnavox FW65C Bookshelf system (should be no problem) > - Pioneer VSX 305 Home Theatre Receiver > - Realistic DX-370 (Sangean ATS 800A) Digital Multiband Portable > - RCA RS 2506 Bookshelf system > - Sharper Image SM-432 pocket portable (nice little digital radio!) > From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Apr 01 17:41:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 01:41:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 82569 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 01:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 01:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 01:41:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2003 01:41:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 01:41:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC Audio Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c2f818$9eb1c830$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1157 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > The digital signal still sounded like Real Audio streaming on a 56k dial-up. > The artifacting and swishing of highs is also somewhat annoying. > Better than ever before, but still not nearly as good as C-Quam AM stereo. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I would say that it was a bit brighter on the top end than compared to RealAudio but the top end sounded extremely artificially metallic and the stereo separation is minimal. If you listen to quality like this you ear will forget what good music sounds like and after many hours of uneducating you auditory system it will sound good since your ear has nothing else to compare it to. For many of us our 1st stereo was a cheapie and sounded great to our ears. Bring someone over to listen to it and tell them it sounds great and they will tell you that it sounds like crap because their system is a $1000 rig and their ears are well educated. I don't think that the road noise of the cheapest car will mask out the artificial top end enough to make it tolerable for extended listening. JSG From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 20:29:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 04:29:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 74194 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 04:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 04:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 04:29:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2003 04:29:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 04:29:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your Thoughts and Comments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030401182011.90550.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 401 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > What do the rest of you think about 500 LPFM applications getting the boot > because they might cause 3rd adjacent interference, when IBOC/IBAC/HD can cause > 1st adjacent interference? Do the rest of you see this as an issue, or not? Two words: Money talks. One word: Deplorable. Shall I go on? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 20:50:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 04:50:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 46611 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 04:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 04:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 04:50:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2003 04:50:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 04:50:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your Thoughts and Comments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007a01c2f8b5$8934c0a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 630 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The irony wasn't lost on me either. Even with a lot of older > equipment I can separate and get the weaker of two stations- You should check out the FM scene here in central NJ. We have 103.3 WPRB in Princeton, NJ along with 103.5 WKTU transmitting from the Empire State Building in NYC -- two full 50,000-watt-equivalent Class B signals on *first adjacent* channels, less than 50 miles apart! I understand a "mutual interference" agreement was signed between WPRB and WKTU. Halfway between the two, you do need a selective radio to pick up either one clearly, although WPRB generally seems to fare better than WKTU. From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Apr 01 20:50:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 04:50:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 49447 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 04:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 04:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 04:50:35 -0000 Received: from michaelj (unverified [209.193.86.91]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 21:50:35 -0700 Message-ID: <006401c2f8d2$abc91d60$5b56c1d1@mshome.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your Thoughts and Comments Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 21:45:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hear THAT! Makes me actually wish that Motorola or Leonard Kahn's pocketbooks would have done some talking back in the early 80's. AM stereo might be as common as FM stereo is today. Instead Leonard didn't have the bucks, and motorola sunk the bucks into making radios and exciters. And the rest......well....you know :( Ah yes....coulda...shoulda...woulda...... but you can't change it. I wonder how long the cash flow will continue flowing?? Will it flow to the point of where HDTV is, where the FCC will force ALL AM stations to be IBOC by the year 20XX ? I can see their pitch already.... "but you see once all stations are IBOC, then it WILL sound better to the point of almost CD quality because we can take up the whole bandwidth and not have to share it with an analog legacy signal." Enjoying DX-ing while it's still around. Also enjoying being at a small-market poor station where there isn't the LEAST interest in IBOC. So I have a feeling we'll be AM Stereo (c-quam) for quite some time......at least as long as the exciter and the CRL processors hold out. And even the processors, I could probably get around. If THEY die, then it is entirely possible to tell the boss "hey....we GOTTA have processing.....we can't run without it. You KNOW that!" In which case he'd ask me to find a processor, and of course I'd find or recommend a 9100 or an Amigo or something. Meanwhile I know there are enough of us on this list to get it figured out if I have a component on one of the boards in the exciter go bad or something. Then again, I keep having this recurring nightmare that one day the bosses will head to the NAB show in Vegas and come back saying "Hey Mikeee......how would you like to go DIGITAL!!?? We just bought a bunch of digital stuff!" Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: amymousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your Thoughts and Comments Two words: Money talks. One word: Deplorable. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 21:17:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 05:17:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 38823 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 05:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 05:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 05:17:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2003 05:17:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 05:17:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your Thoughts and Comments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006401c2f8d2$abc91d60$5b56c1d1@mshome.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1162 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Then again, I keep having this recurring nightmare that one day the > bosses will head to the NAB show in Vegas and come back saying "Hey > Mikeee......how would you like to go DIGITAL!!?? We just bought a > bunch of digital stuff!" Remember that the annual licensing fees alone are enough to prevent many smaller stations from "downgrading" to IBOC. Currently they're running some promo where if you sign up to use IBOC now, you don't have to pay the licensing fees for the first five years, or something like that... but that would be rather foolish because IBOC is still an unproven and constantly changing system with little real-world experience, and it still will be subject to an ultimate FCC decision on whether or not to officially approve its use. And I keep being reminded of a similar situation from half a century ago: In 1950, the FCC approved CBS's "spinning disc" color TV system and a few stations began to use it, but aside from a handful of prototypes the receivers were never built, and two years later, the FCC revoked its approval in favor of the all-electronic color TV system we are still using today, 51 years later! From ai4i@hotmail.com Tue Apr 01 23:25:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai4i@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 07:25:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 74391 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 07:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 07:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 07:25:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:25:19 -0800 Received: from 216.77.218.169 by dav48.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:25:19 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [ai4i@hotmail.com] To: References: <1049221580.1243.53536.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 647 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 02:22:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2003 07:25:19.0681 (UTC) FILETIME=[03EE4310:01C2F8E9] From: "Joel Wilson" Reply-To: "Joel Wilson" X-Originating-IP: [216.77.218.169] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127893550 X-Yahoo-Profile: ai4ijoel > > Hmmm, CQUAM stereo SW??? > Does anybody remember a number of years back, possibly in the 80's, a shortwave station which was to be based in Brunswick GA and was to broadcast music in some form of AMS? They sold a lot of merchandise and then just disappeared. Joel Wilson Fort Lauderdale ========================================= Proud 2-B a pioneering satellite radio subscriber AI4I is always on the trailing edge of technology ========================================= From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 23:30:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 07:29:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 8307 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 07:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 07:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41005.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 07:29:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20030402072959.2952.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.51.56] by web41005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 23:29:59 PST Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:29:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 647 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio It was supposed to be called "NDXE." I think there's a promo of it hanging around on the AM Stereo website somewhere. 73, Jay, N1WVQ P.S.: No, I still haven't figured out how to post that KDAY AM Stereo ID. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 23:32:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 07:32:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 455 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 07:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 07:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 07:32:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2003 07:32:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:32:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 647 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 409 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Wilson" wrote: > > > > Hmmm, CQUAM stereo SW??? > > > > Does anybody remember a number of years back, possibly in the 80's, a > shortwave station which was to be based in Brunswick GA and was to broadcast > music in some form of AMS? They sold a lot of merchandise and then just > disappeared. NDXE, Opileka, Alibama, Kahn ISB. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 23:33:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 07:33:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 29777 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 07:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 07:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 07:33:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2003 07:33:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:33:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 647 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 162 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: =snip= > NDXE, Opileka, Alibama, Kahn ISB. Damned typos. Alabama. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 23:36:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 07:36:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 48219 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 07:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 07:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41011.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 07:36:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20030402073615.47045.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.51.56] by web41011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 23:36:15 PST Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:36:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your Thoughts and Comments To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Actually, it's pretty smart for them to wave that licensing fee right now because their hopes are that a bunch of stations will jump aboard and then they can show the F.C.C. some stations that have faith in the system. It may be a last-ditch effort. I don't really know. 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 02 00:27:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 08:27:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 2793 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 08:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 08:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 08:27:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2003 08:27:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:27:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Your Thoughts and Comments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030402073615.47045.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 825 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > Actually, it's pretty smart for them to wave that > licensing fee right now because their hopes are > that a bunch of stations will jump aboard and > then they can show the F.C.C. some stations that > have faith in the system. It may be a last-ditch > effort. I don't really know. Problem is, the cost to "upgrade" to IBOC is horrendously expensive. Figures I've heard have been in excess of $100,000. The licensing fees are on top of that. All I have to say is, WHY?? C-QUAM equipment only costs about $10K max, and no license fees for the privilege of running this system. And on top of that, C-QUAM is still receivable on -millions- of car radios all over the country. IBOC is too expensive a gamble for most broadcasters. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Wed Apr 02 00:46:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 08:46:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 46645 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 08:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 08:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 08:46:37 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h328kZ715209 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:46:36 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:46:35 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your Thoughts and Comments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, amymousie wrote: > IBOC is too expensive a gamble for most broadcasters. Who, and which organisations, actually are behind this astonishing IBOC debacle? And what's in it for them? Obviously the manafacturers will want to sell new transmitters, receivers, and so forth. The NAB seems to be pro-IBOC - but why? What's in it for most of its members? While Nero fiddled Rome burned. While IBOC splatters Radio dies. Ian From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 02 09:59:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 17:59:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 71322 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 17:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 17:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 17:59:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2003 17:59:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 17:59:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your Thoughts and Comments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 976 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, amymousie wrote: > > > IBOC is too expensive a gamble for most broadcasters. > > Who, and which organisations, actually are behind this astonishing IBOC > debacle? Short answer: NAB, and iBiquity's shareholders, includfing iBiquity's parent company, Lucent Technologies (The former AT&T Bell Labs, who, since divestature from AT&T, have had an abysmal record with their products, almost to the point of bankruptcy). > And what's in it for them? Reaffirmation of American technology, with products made in America for Americans. ...and political gain. > Obviously the manafacturers will want to sell new transmitters, receivers, > and so forth. Want to, yes. At what cost, though? > The NAB seems to be pro-IBOC - but why? What's in it for most of its > members? Political power. That alone lines pockets, whether the technology succeeds or not. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Wed Apr 02 16:39:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 3 Apr 2003 00:39:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 36799 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2003 00:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2003 00:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2003 00:39:18 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h330dH725277 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:39:17 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:39:17 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Hi-Fi AM Radio: Digital vs. Analog Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 FROM: alt.radio.broadcasting From: WBRW (wbrw@radiomailbox.com) Promoted as being "FM-quality" and "the future of AM radio", the new In-Band, On-Channel (IBOC) digital AM system -- also known by the consumer marketing name "HD Radio" -- is currently being by a handful of stations around the USA. One of them, 710 WOR in New York City, has made available for downloading and listening the first known audio samples of what IBOC digital AM sounds like, besides the short clip on iBiquity's web site: http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/audio_samples.htm In case you don't have the time to spend on downloading 40 megabytes' worth of full-size WAV files, I have compiled these samples into a high-quality MP3 file, encoded at 224 kbps so that the quality loss of the trans-coding to MP3 format is negligible, and the download is a much more palatable 6.3 megs: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/iboc/wor-iboc.mp3 Also included in the following web directory are various samples of the best possible quality that the existing *analog* AM radio format has to offer, using the Motorola C-Quam AM Stereo system on high-quality "AMAX" receivers, which are designed to offer superior sound quality and reception: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/iboc Later today there will also be samples of monaural hi-fi analog AM (from 243-watt 1170 WWTR -- the lowest-power AM station in the state of New Jersey!), just for futher comparison to IBOC digital. Now, after downloading and listening to these audio samples, which sounds better to you: IBOC digital AM, or the existing analog AM and AM Stereo system we have been using for decades? And am I not the only one who thinks that the digital compression "artifacts" in the IBOC audio are so frequent and so obnoxious that the quality level is completely unacceptable, even if iBiquity didn't claim it to be "FM-quality"? I think before digital AM can be seriously considered, it needs to go back to the drawing board and come up with a system that can at least match up to the quality of today's analog AM, let alone FM! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 02 20:46:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 3 Apr 2003 04:46:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 12502 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2003 04:46:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2003 04:46:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2003 04:46:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2003 04:46:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 04:46:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hi-Fi AM Radio: Digital vs. Analog Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 368 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > FROM: alt.radio.broadcasting > > From: WBRW (wbrw@radiomailbox.com) BTW, that's just my alias for posting in UseNet newsgroups -- never use your real e-mail address in newsgroups, because that invites a lot of "spam". In this case, the radiomailbox.com domain doesn't even exist anymore, so any attempts to send private e-mail to "WBRW" won't get very far. From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Apr 02 21:52:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 3 Apr 2003 05:52:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 90172 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2003 05:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2003 05:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2003 05:52:09 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id r.171.1c97aa1b (4380) for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:52:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <171.1c97aa1b.2bbd2602@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:52:02 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 647 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih WRNO Worldwide, located in New Orleans, LA, claimed to broadcast some programming in "Stereo" in their promos (especially for American Top 40). I would suspect they might have been C-QUAM; the proposed NDXE Opelika, AL (which was never built) had planned to use Kahn ISB AM Stereo. You might want to suggest experimental C-QUAM operation to Allan Weiner, owner of WBCQ, a commercial shortwave station in Monticello, ME. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Apr 02 21:52:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 3 Apr 2003 05:52:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 96714 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2003 05:52:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2003 05:52:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2003 05:52:09 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id r.d3.1ae3ca55 (4380) for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:52:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:51:58 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi-Fi AM Radio: Digital vs. Analog To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Why don't we scrap digital on AM and FM altogether, and have the FCC find a seperate band for digital broadcasting. You seem to forget that frequencies below 1 GHz (1000 MHz) are not suited to digital radio broadcasting. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From jim@burgan.net Thu Apr 03 05:41:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 3 Apr 2003 13:41:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 63484 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2003 13:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2003 13:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc01.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.163) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2003 13:41:33 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-234-107.client.insightbb.com[12.221.234.107]) by sccimhc01.insightbb.com (sccimhc01) with SMTP id <20030403134132im1002k8qee>; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:41:32 +0000 Message-ID: <007801c2f9e6$c0573450$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your Thoughts and Comments Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:41:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >And I keep being reminded of a similar situation from half a century >ago: In 1950, the FCC approved CBS's "spinning disc" color TV system >and a few stations began to use it, but aside from a handful of >prototypes the receivers were never built, and two years later, the >FCC revoked its approval in favor of the all-electronic color TV >system we are still using today, 51 years later! I wonder if CBS or anyone has one of these 'spinning disc' systems on dispplay ina museum or anywhere. I've always wanted to see one, especially if it still works... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 03 08:03:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 3 Apr 2003 16:03:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 49799 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2003 16:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2003 16:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2003 16:03:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2003 16:03:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:03:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CBS "spinning disc" color TV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007801c2f9e6$c0573450$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 460 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I wonder if CBS or anyone has one of these 'spinning disc' systems > on display in a museum or anywhere. At least one spinning-disc color TV set still exists... somewhere there is a web site with a picture of it, but I can't find it at the moment. Now, a camera and transmitter for the system is a different matter... but the TV set was made to be "multi-system", so that it can still receive today's analog TV, just in black & white of course. From fanfare@globility.com Thu Apr 03 08:33:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 3 Apr 2003 16:33:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 12964 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2003 16:32:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2003 16:32:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2003 16:32:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2003 16:32:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:32:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CBS "spinning disc" color TV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 421 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.225 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I wonder if CBS or anyone has one of these 'spinning disc' systems > > > > on display in a museum or anywhere. > > > At least one spinning-disc color TV set still exists... somewhere > there is a web site with a picture of it, but I can't find it at the > moment. Try http://www.cedmagic.com/history/rca-converted-color-tv.html M.S. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 03 08:59:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 3 Apr 2003 16:59:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 38078 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2003 16:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2003 16:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2003 16:58:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20030403165853.8933.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 08:58:53 PST Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:58:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: OT Kevin R. Arizona To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin R. please contact me offlist. Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Apr 03 09:46:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 3 Apr 2003 17:46:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 72013 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2003 17:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2003 17:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2003 17:46:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2003 17:45:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:45:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CBS "spinning disc" color TV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1303 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I wonder if CBS or anyone has one of these 'spinning disc' systems > > > > on display in a museum or anywhere. > > > At least one spinning-disc color TV set still exists... somewhere > there is a web site with a picture of it, but I can't find it at the > moment. A cursory look finds this page on the CBS color system: http://www.novia.net/~ereitan/Color_Sys_CBS.html quote: With most of the manufacturing industry against adoption of the field sequential system, CBS was forced to purchase Hytron Radio and Electronics Corporation with its Air-King receiver manufacturing subsidiary. The acquistion was done, according to Frank Stanton President of CBS, "to assure at least some source for color receivers to the public". On September 20, 1951, production began of the first (and only) commercial color television set - the CBS-Columbia Model 12CC2. Sales of the set began by Gimbels and Davega in New York for $499.95, According to Allen B. DuMont, 200 of these sets were shipped and I00 were sold. 'The UCLA Collection of Television Technology has one of the two models known to have survived. end quote. Here's the main page on Color TV History: http://www.novia.net/~ereitan/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 03 09:59:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 3 Apr 2003 17:59:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 48425 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2003 17:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2003 17:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2003 17:59:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2003 17:58:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:58:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Entercom supports RDS Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2107 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com Entercom Inks Deal for RDS-Based Service Is RDS about to make a resurgence? Long-time radio watchers could be excused for being skeptical. But a company called The Radio Experience, based in Seattle, is a believer; and now it has received a purchase order from Entercom Communications to equip 54 FM stations with its Dynamic Data Initiative technology by mid-summer. The concept actually has been in development for a decade. According to the supplier, "The DDI system traces its beginnings back to the 1990s where company founder and President Allen Hartle first enabled wireless messaging to giant electronic billboard displays via Radio Data System subcarrier using the RDS Encoder FMB10 from Audemat/Aztec Inc. "Through these early data transmissions and 10 years of evolutionary product development, DDI is now ready for prime time," it continued. DDI technology lets each station transmit listener-related data services along with the audio to RDS, HD Radio, Internet services and outdoor displays. Receivers, Hartle says, are out there in the hundreds of thousands. RDS radios have been "quietly arriving by the truckloads as standard equipment on cars that executives purchased, leased or rented. It was only a matter of time before they were given a quality 'demo.' ... We've already begun RadioText data services for now-playing messages and station or sponsor promos." He pointed to media such as Internet streaming and satellite radio as competitive factors pushing broadcasters to improve their own service. Entercom has been testing DDI in two markets. Marty Hadfield, its VP of engineering, said one processor can multiplex five of Entercom's FM studio data streams over a low-bit-rate STL data channel and restore them as individual data streams at the transmitter site. Hartle said although the system is "principally an RDS initiative," its engineering also accommodates HD Radio support. To promote the service, The Radio Experience is offering broadcasters a "no-risk trial program." Info: www.theradioexperience.com. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 03 11:25:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 3 Apr 2003 19:25:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 97838 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2003 19:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2003 19:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2003 19:25:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2003 19:25:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 19:25:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The World's Best-Sounding AM Station... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1032 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics ...Well, maybe not, but I do happen to think that despite not being in Stereo, 1170 WWTR in Bridgewater, NJ is amongst the best-sounding mono AM stations I've ever heard. As it should, because it was built new from the ground up in 1997 with a Broadcast Electronics AM-500 transmitter, and the only audio processing from the studio board (over a Stereo-capable T1 line STL) is a finely tuned Optimod 9100-B2. WWTR also uses very little pre-emphasis, so on a wide-band "AMAX" receiver, they have better high end than you would normally expect from 10 kHz NRSC-bandwidth audio. You can listen for yourself, via the following MP3 files -- I think the shining moment is during the NBC TV promo commercial, where if you didn't know otherwise you'd think it was direct TV audio... it is very crisp and clean, as received on a Chrysler "Infinity" AMAX radio: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/iboc/wwtr1.mp3 http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/iboc/wwtr2.mp3 http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/iboc/wwtr3.mp3 From ai4i@hotmail.com Thu Apr 03 14:35:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai4i@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 3 Apr 2003 22:35:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 14290 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2003 22:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2003 22:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2003 22:35:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:35:13 -0800 Received: from 216.77.218.37 by dav4.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 22:35:12 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [ai4i@hotmail.com] To: References: <1049394877.498.74356.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 649 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:35:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2003 22:35:13.0045 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A864450:01C2FA31] From: "Joel Wilson" Reply-To: "Joel Wilson" X-Originating-IP: [216.77.218.37] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127893550 X-Yahoo-Profile: ai4ijoel > Subject: Re: Digest Number 647 > > WRNO Worldwide, located in New Orleans, LA, claimed to broadcast some > programming in "Stereo" in their promos (especially for American Top 40). I > would suspect they might have been C-QUAM; the proposed NDXE Opelika, AL > (which was never built) had planned to use Kahn ISB AM Stereo. > You might want to suggest experimental C-QUAM operation to Allan Weiner, > owner of WBCQ, a commercial shortwave station in Monticello, ME. > Timothy 6:10 > > Where CQuAM worldband radios do not exist, but ones with synchronous detectors do, ISB would not only be receivable by a whole lot more listeners, but also handle QRM & QSB a whole lot better. Perhaps someone could tell me whether the FCC's officialising CQuAM would apply outside of the medium wave band. Are you aware that the Sony 2010 (and maybe other) worldband radios with synchronous detection could only have been made as cheaply as they were with the production of ISB chips which were intended to be used for KH stereo radios? Joel Wilson Fort Lauderdale ================================= Proud 2-B a pioneering satellite radio subscriber AI4I is always on the trailing edge of technology ================================= From dav259@csiro.au Thu Apr 03 15:17:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 3 Apr 2003 23:16:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 91347 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2003 23:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2003 23:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2003 23:16:31 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h33NGT722503; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:16:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:16:29 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum , Subject: Bad news re Melbourne's 3MP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 From the engineer - bad news about what for many years was Melbourne's best AM stereo station. :( Their new studios are in inner-city Richmond. The transmitter is 15 miles away in suburban Roweville. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:46:29 +1000 From: Peter Smerdon To: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: 3MP Ian, I'm sorry it's not good news for you. We do not have a "line-of-sight" link path from our new Richmond studios to the 3MP transmitter. We have had to mothball the stereo link to the transmitter - and are now using a mono landline. We cannot justify the extra cost of a stereo landline (at 2.5 times the cost of a mono one). Even tried to get DSL and use digital codecs -no DSL service at Rowville. ISDN is too slow for broadcast quality in stereo. No options left that don't cost "an arm and a leg". Regards, Peter Smerdon. From alfredot@inetarena.com Thu Apr 03 18:25:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 02:25:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 37721 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 02:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 02:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (206.129.216.13) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 02:25:41 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust104.tnt16.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [67.227.163.104]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h342LkC1005830 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:22:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:23:50 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-A300 review In-Reply-To: <1049031746.3014.34251.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > Finally, another unusual feature for a radio of its size is a > built-in AC power supply, but it was designed for 100-volt Japanese > power, so I'm a bit hesitant to plug it into an American AC socket > (which is claimed to be 110, 115, or 120 volts, but in the real > world, some areas get as high as 127 volts). Nevertheless, of course > it will also run fine on a set of AA batteries. Why not open the radio and replace the power transformer with one that has a 120 volt primary? Or, if you have a power transformer with a 25 volt secondary and a 120 volt primary, you could wire that up as an autotransformer that would put out about 99 volts across the "primary" coil. If you're really lucky, the existing power transformer in the radio might even have a tap on the primary that will allow for 120 volt operation (knock on wood). Alfredo From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 03 19:26:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 03:26:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 12031 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 03:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 03:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41015.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 03:26:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20030404032651.36399.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.16.56] by web41015.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 19:26:51 PST Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:26:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bad news re Melbourne's 3MP To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Ian, how widely used is cable F.M. in Australia and may we comment to 3MP? 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Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 03 19:34:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 03:34:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 97357 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 03:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 03:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 03:34:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2003 03:34:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 03:34:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-A300 review Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > if you have a power transformer with a 25 volt secondary and a 120 > volt primary, you could wire that up as an autotransformer that > would put out about 99 volts across the "primary" coil. I actually have a variable transformer that takes in normal 110/120V AC and puts out 0 to 130 volts depending on where I set the dial -- basically a 100% RF-noise-free dimmer control! However, it's clunky enough that I'd rather just run the Sony on batteries... it's really no big deal. > If you're really lucky, the existing power transformer in the radio > might even have a tap on the primary that will allow for 120 volt > operation (knock on wood). BTW, anybody know the details about Japan's electrical system? I've heard that some areas use 100 volts, while other areas use 120 volts. The use of 100V seems a bit strange, because the general rule is that the later a country was electrified, the more likely it is to use 220/240V power, as over time the advantages of a higher-voltage AC system were discovered (namely, higher voltage = less current = the power lines don't have to be as thick to provide the same amount of kW/h). But it could be a carry-over from experiments with DC power, or other historical circumstances. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Apr 03 19:48:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59240 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 03:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 03:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 03:48:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2003 03:48:40 -0000 Date: 4 Apr 2003 03:48:40 -0000 Message-ID: <1049428120.39708.83678.w75@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /stations/Magnavox.gif Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Block diagram of the Magnavox AM Stereo system. Taken from the Sony SRF-A1 service manual, dated December 1983. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/stations/Magnavox.gif To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Apr 03 19:49:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27776 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 03:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 03:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 03:49:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2003 03:49:49 -0000 Date: 4 Apr 2003 03:49:47 -0000 Message-ID: <1049428187.35487.53937.w24@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /stations/Kahn.gif Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Block diagram of the Kahn/Hazeltine AM Stereo system. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/stations/Kahn.gif To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Apr 03 19:50:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19595 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 03:50:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 03:50:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 03:50:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2003 03:50:58 -0000 Date: 4 Apr 2003 03:50:57 -0000 Message-ID: <1049428257.33883.15721.w28@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /stations/Motorola.gif Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Block diagram of the Motorola C-QUAM AM Stereo system. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/stations/Motorola.gif To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Apr 03 19:54:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98813 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 03:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 03:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 03:54:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2003 03:54:21 -0000 Date: 4 Apr 2003 03:54:19 -0000 Message-ID: <1049428459.54588.24812.w4@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /stations/Harris.gif Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Block diagram of the Harris AM Stereo system. This is the "sliding pilot tone" version; as the footnote indicates, it was later modified to use a fixed pilot tone frequency, as otherwise the receiver design was too complex to be practical. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/stations/Harris.gif To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Apr 03 20:06:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 04:06:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 53225 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 04:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 04:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 04:06:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2003 04:06:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 04:06:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-A300 review Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1198 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > BTW, anybody know the details about Japan's electrical system? I've > heard that some areas use 100 volts, while other areas use 120 volts. > The use of 100V seems a bit strange, because the general rule is that > the later a country was electrified, the more likely it is to use > 220/240V power, as over time the advantages of a higher-voltage AC > system were discovered (namely, higher voltage = less current = the > power lines don't have to be as thick to provide the same amount of > kW/h). But it could be a carry-over from experiments with DC power, > or other historical circumstances. Japan adopted electricity fairly early- around 1900 or so. The coltage setting of 90-100V @ 50Hz was more in line with battery voltages of the time. Since then, Japan has adopted both 50 and 60Hz cycle rates, and support voltage anywhere between 90 and 120V, and can vary anywhere throughout the country. I think Japan is the only major developed country with such a variable mains system. (America and the UK used to, but have long since adopted single cycle/voltage rates.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From powell@conterra.com Thu Apr 03 20:48:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 04:48:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 93124 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 04:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 04:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 04:48:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2003 04:48:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 04:48:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo coffee cup Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 172 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW For a grand total of 50 cents got 2 cups touting WITL 1010 in AM Stereo. When I looked it up it looks like it's no longer even on the air. The FM is Lansing MI. Powell From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Apr 03 21:40:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 05:40:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 90289 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 05:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 05:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 05:40:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2003 05:40:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 05:40:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 649 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1287 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Wilson" wrote: > > > Where CQuAM worldband radios do not exist, but ones with synchronous > detectors do, ISB would not only be receivable by a whole lot more > listeners, but also handle QRM & QSB a whole lot better. Perhaps someone > could tell me whether the FCC's officialising CQuAM would apply outside of > the medium wave band. Are you aware that the Sony 2010 (and maybe other) > worldband radios with synchronous detection could only have been made as > cheaply as they were with the production of ISB chips which were intended to > be used for KH stereo radios? >=20 >=20 To ISB a signal it is necessary to audio phase shift L-R by 90=B0 and this can be done through a matrix processor preceeding the exciter. It is possible to send this audio phase shifted signal into a C-QuAM exciter and end up with an Compatible ISB signal. It would still technically be a C-QuAM signal since the envelope of the original quadrature signal within the exciter has been multiplied by the=20 cosine of the angular modulation. Upon decoding with one of the Motorola chips the distortion will be properly removed but the audio phasing would have sort of a pseudo-stereo effect unless you had an audio phase shifter after the decoder. JSG From dav259@csiro.au Thu Apr 03 21:49:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 05:49:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 74003 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 05:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 05:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 05:49:39 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h345nc708967 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:49:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:49:38 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bad news re Melbourne's 3MP In-Reply-To: <20030404032651.36399.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, JNR wrote: > Ian, how widely used is cable F.M. in Australia > and may we comment to 3MP? I've no idea about cable ... And YES!!! ... any help would be appreciated! Otherwise this genuine success story seemingly is at an end. I've written to the Green Guide and the Herald-Sun Guide sugesting that the oners of 3AK/3MP switch their stereo talk station to mono - and let 3MP go back to stereo using 3AK's two year old stereo transmitter not located at Roweville where 3MP's is. Their general address is: easymusic@3mp.com.au Or the CEO (Jeff Chatfield) who does answer e-mails to: avation@earthlink.net Just between us I'm not sure whether I believe the engineer's e-mail message. He's misled me before - and had a message on the RADIO-TECH board saying AMS is dead in Oz. He may or may not be contributing to the situation. I simply don't know. Ian :( From dav259@csiro.au Thu Apr 03 22:06:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 06:06:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 99618 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 06:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 06:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 06:06:09 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34668709703 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:06:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:06:08 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: The 3MP sad saga Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- To: Green Guide ... and The Herald-Sun Guide Subject: No stereo Easy music 3MP has been in stereo since 1985. Since moving into new purpose built studios in Richmond it has been mono. Why is its sister talk station 3AK broadcasting in stereo when the higher rating music station is in mono? It doesn't make sense. Is it any wonder that Magic 693 in stereo has more than twice the listeners of struggling 3MP? Ian Davidson St. Kilda ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Davidson _--_|\ tel (H) 03 9534 8786 41 Smith Street / \ tel (W) 03 9545 8717 St. Kilda Beach Vic 3182 \_.--.*/ mobile: 0421 500 720 Australia v ian.davidson@csiro.au ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 04 07:48:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 15:48:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 6547 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 15:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 15:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 15:48:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2003 15:48:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:48:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC FM in Boston Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 289 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics from www.radioworld.com Boston Station Adds HD Radio Entercom has turned on digital radio at WQSX(FM) in Boston, according to the group's top engineer, Marty Hadfield. The station broadcasts at 93.7 MHz. [Shouldn't that be more like "at 93.5 through 93.9 MHz"? -K.T.] From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Apr 04 07:53:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 15:53:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 12556 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 15:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 15:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.36.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 15:53:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 07:53:01 -0800 Received: from 172.153.111.92 by oe54.pav2.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:53:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <007801c2f9e6$c0573450$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your Thoughts and Comments Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:49:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2003 15:53:01.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[458A5BD0:01C2FAC2] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.153.111.92] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jim Burgan wrote: > I wonder if CBS or anyone has one of these 'spinning disc' systems on dispplay ina museum or anywhere. I've always wanted to see one, especially if it still works... If I remember right, the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, MI has a working one. Kevin From fanfare@globility.com Fri Apr 04 08:15:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 16:15:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 15117 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 16:15:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 16:15:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 16:15:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2003 16:15:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 16:15:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: How to spin a survey Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 847 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.234.34 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy An excerpt from Radio World's latest "Newsbytes" at http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=2883 "A majority or plurality of people within every region of the country, every age group, every education level, every political persuasion (Democrat, Republican, Independent and Libertarian), every income level and every religion have a positive impression of local radio stations. Contrary to occasional reports of listener dissatisfaction among young people, the Zogby survey found that more than 80% of 18-29 year-olds are either 'satisfied' or 'very satisfied' with the performance of local radio." I look at the last line and I wonder what happened to the "30 and over" crowd. Could it be that they were not satisfied at all? IMHO, about all this survey says is that radio is appreciated by about 1/3 of the population. M.S. From don@idpt.com Fri Apr 04 09:17:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: don@idpt.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 17:17:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 9608 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 17:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 17:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.120) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 17:17:45 -0000 Received: from dialup-65.58.101.63.dial1.memphis1.level3.net ([65.58.101.63] helo=Executive) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 191Uoy-000681-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 09:17:44 -0800 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} How to spin a survey Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:17:09 -0600 Message-ID: <000601c2face$07580090$0100a8c0@Executive> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: From: "Don Johnson" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=32705644 X-Yahoo-Profile: htmldon " the Zogby survey found that more than 80% of 18-29 year-olds are either 'satisfied' or 'very satisfied' with the performance of local radio." I can vouch for that. I'm quite satisfied with radio. Everyone on this list keeps complaining that the programming is bad and I just don't see where you are coming from. I've got two AM talk stations (unfortunately not stereo) and 6 FM music stations that I regularly listen to and the only time I'm ever left wanting more is in the mornings when the stations think that I want to hear some stupid DJ's voice rather than the music that I tuned in for. " IMHO, about all this survey says is that radio is appreciated by about 1/3 of the population." So you people (referring to 30+) have a stranglehold on politics and everything else -- and yet you complain that my generation dares to have its desires answered in radio? :) _______________ Don Johnson don@idpt.com -----Original Message----- From: Mr.M S [mailto:fanfare@globility.com] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:15 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} How to spin a survey An excerpt from Radio World's latest "Newsbytes" at http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=2883 "A majority or plurality of people within every region of the country, every age group, every education level, every political persuasion (Democrat, Republican, Independent and Libertarian), every income level and every religion have a positive impression of local radio stations. Contrary to occasional reports of listener dissatisfaction among young people, the Zogby survey found that more than 80% of 18-29 year-olds are either 'satisfied' or 'very satisfied' with the performance of local radio." I look at the last line and I wonder what happened to the "30 and over" crowd. Could it be that they were not satisfied at all? IMHO, about all this survey says is that radio is appreciated by about 1/3 of the population. M.S. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 04 10:05:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 18:05:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 44178 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 18:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 18:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 18:05:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2003 18:03:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 18:03:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC stations Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 913 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie From the RADIO-L digital-radio mailing list: > To: RADIO-L@yahoogroups.ca > From: Chriss Scherer > Subject: Re: [RADIO-L] IBOC at NAB Radio magazine has a work in progress tracking the U.S. stations that have formally commenced IBOC operations. See http://www.beradio.com/eye_on_iboc for a list. This will be updated with the latest information from the NAB convention. Chriss Scherer, CSRE editor, Radio magazine ------------------------------- RADIO-L - a discussion forum for digital radio RADIO-L and DAB resources on the World Wide Web are temporarily unavailable. They will return shortly = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Post a message: RADIO-L@yahoogroups.ca To unsubscribe: RADIO-L-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.ca For administrative assistance: RADIO-L-owner@yahoogroups.ca Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://ca.yahoo.com/docs/info/tos.html From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Fri Apr 04 10:27:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 18:27:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 90730 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 18:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 18:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 18:27:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2003 18:26:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 18:26:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The 3MP sad saga Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 484 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.62.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > To: Green Guide > ... and The Herald-Sun Guide > Subject: No stereo > > > Easy music 3MP has been in stereo since 1985. Since moving into new > purpose built studios in Richmond it has been mono. I thought after over a year being in mono a few years ago it eventually switched back to stereo though ? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Apr 04 11:46:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 19:46:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 27414 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 19:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 19:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 19:46:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2003 19:46:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 19:46:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Where to buy a Sony WM-GX822 ?? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 589 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Anyone know where I could find one of these? I'm interested in purchasing one, but I can't find any on E-bay. I'm not sure how much I want to pay yet... I'm looking for prices on them before I make a decision. I have a Sony SRF-42, but it's not working, and I'd like to get one with a cassette recorder. If anyone has a WM-GX822 (even if you're not willing to sell it), how well does it perform on the AM band compared to other AM radios? Right now I'm using a mono Panasonic RQ-SW10 which gives good performance compared to the "crystal set" RQ-SW44 it replaced, which I still have. From ai4i@hotmail.com Fri Apr 04 12:33:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai4i@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 20:33:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 17050 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 20:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 20:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 20:33:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:33:04 -0800 Received: from 216.77.208.92 by dav33.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 20:33:04 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [ai4i@hotmail.com] To: References: <1049474484.963.71863.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 650 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:32:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2003 20:33:04.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[64DFD5B0:01C2FAE9] From: "Joel Wilson" Reply-To: "Joel Wilson" X-Originating-IP: [216.77.208.92] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127893550 X-Yahoo-Profile: ai4ijoel > ...Well, maybe not, but I do happen to think that despite not being in > Stereo, 1170 WWTR in Bridgewater, NJ is amongst the best-sounding mono > AM stations I've ever heard. As it should, because... Nope, check this out...the best sounding AM ever was WVWA, Pound Ridge, NY...LOL http://www.wvwa.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Apr 04 13:09:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 21:09:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 90074 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 21:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 21:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 21:09:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2003 21:09:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 21:09:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Toyota AMS Radio Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 412 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.49 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I finally got my antenna fixed in my car and discovered it had AM Stereo. It is in a Cressida and has CD & Cassette. ftp://209.193.77.58/uploads/Toyota-56801-AMStereoRadio.jpg Kevin, if you want, add this picture to the list of AMS car radios to the webpage. Does anyone have any info on this unit like which decoder chip uses? I have yet to find out how to remove it from the dash without breaking something From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Apr 04 15:40:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 23:40:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 98350 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 23:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 23:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 23:40:45 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-176.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.176]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h34Nefhp007213 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:40:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00e801c2fb04$31351ac0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bad news re Melbourne's 3MP Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:44:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sorry to hear of the loss. At this point I don't think that much can be done to reverse their decision. If DSL ever gets to Roweville would they resume stereo? In the mean time, I finally got paid for my contract work with K-Love, and I'll be dropping off a contribution to WCTS which has been running pilot only for some time. I'll be sure to drop it off in person so I can find out why. They really only sound good when it's truly in stereo. The music is too bland and lifeless otherwise. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > > From the engineer - bad news about what for many years was Melbourne's > best AM stereo station. :( > From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Apr 04 15:44:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 23:44:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 26954 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 23:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 23:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 23:44:49 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-176.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.176]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h34Nikhp008505 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:44:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <010001c2fb04$c2fe93a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where to buy a Sony WM-GX822 ?? Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:48:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've bought some oddball tubes from ebay, and they're not ones that show up every week or even every month. How long have you been looking there for one of these radios? I find that eventually things do show up. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" To: Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:46 PM Subject: {AMSF} Where to buy a Sony WM-GX822 ?? > Anyone know where I could find one of these? I'm interested in > purchasing one, but I can't find any on E-bay. I'm not sure how much > I want to pay yet... I'm looking for prices on them before I make a > decision. I have a Sony SRF-42, but it's not working, and I'd like to > get one with a cassette recorder. If anyone has a WM-GX822 (even if > you're not willing to sell it), how well does it perform on the AM > band compared to other AM radios? Right now I'm using a mono > Panasonic RQ-SW10 which gives good performance compared to the > "crystal set" RQ-SW44 it replaced, which I still have. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From rwagoner1@mac.com Fri Apr 04 17:25:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 01:25:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 97455 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 01:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 01:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 01:25:43 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030405012542.YSHS29997.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 20:25:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:25:44 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} How to spin a survey Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <858EF406-6705-11D7-8244-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If they are all so satisfied, why is listenership down so far??? Perhaps they need to ask those who no longer listen, rather than those few remaining who still do. On Friday, April 4, 2003, at 08:15 AM, Mr.M S wrote: > An excerpt from Radio World's latest "Newsbytes" > at http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=2883 > > "A majority or plurality of people within every region of the > country, every age group, every education level, every political > persuasion (Democrat, Republican, Independent and Libertarian), every > income level and every religion have a positive impression of local > radio stations. Contrary to occasional reports of listener > dissatisfaction among young people, the Zogby survey found that more > than 80% of 18-29 year-olds are either 'satisfied' or 'very > satisfied' with the performance of local radio." > > > I look at the last line and I wonder what happened to the "30 and > over" crowd. Could it be that they were not satisfied at all? > IMHO, about all this survey says is that radio is appreciated by > about 1/3 of the population. > > M.S. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner1@mac.com Fri Apr 04 17:30:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 01:30:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 93024 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 01:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 01:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 01:30:56 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030405013055.ZDOY10457.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 20:30:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:31:00 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 650 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <42254568-6706-11D7-8244-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I loved WVWA, especially when they ran that extremely slight reverb ... On Friday, April 4, 2003, at 12:32 PM, Joel Wilson wrote: > Nope, check this out...the best sounding AM ever was WVWA, Pound Ridge, > NY...LOL > http://www.wvwa.com > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Fri Apr 04 20:16:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 04:16:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 18958 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 04:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 04:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 04:16:56 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h354Gs705110 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 14:16:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 14:16:54 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The 3MP sad saga In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Dave wrote: > > Easy music 3MP has been in stereo since 1985. Since moving into new > > purpose built studios in Richmond it has been mono. > > I thought after over a year being in mono a few years ago it > eventually switched back to stereo though ? Crikey Dave! That's the second time you've exposed me this week. :) According to journalistic ethics - never let the facts get in the way of a good story. These TV guides will only print short and snappy letters. Therefore you've got to compose letters that way. Pity really. But I expect even now 80% of Melbornians have no idea that AMS exists/exsisted and 10% simply think it means you get two speakers instead of one. Ian <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 04 20:40:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 04:40:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 42981 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 04:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 04:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 04:40:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2003 04:40:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 04:40:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: The 3MP sad saga Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 114 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > Ian <:3 )~~8~ O.o Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Fri Apr 04 20:44:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 04:44:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 29580 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 04:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 04:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 04:44:30 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h354iT706145 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 14:44:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 14:44:29 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The 3MP sad saga In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, amymousie wrote: > > Ian <:3 )~~8~ > > O.o > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Hey Amy - could you believe it was just a coincidence? Otherwise tell us upsidedown people in Oz what it means! :) From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 04 20:55:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 04:55:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 50072 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 04:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 04:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 04:55:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2003 04:55:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 04:55:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: The 3MP sad saga Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 438 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, amymousie wrote: > > > > Ian <:3 )~~8~ > > > > O.o > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > Hey Amy - could you believe it was just a coincidence? > > Otherwise tell us upsidedown people in Oz what it means! :) What, you mean <:3 )~~8~ ? A mouse, with a bow on her tail.. ;) That is, me. :) Or is it O.o ? Think "raised eyebrow".. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Fri Apr 04 21:01:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 05:01:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 38685 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 05:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 05:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 05:01:07 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h35516706789 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:01:06 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:01:06 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The 3MP sad saga In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, amymousie wrote: > What, you mean <:3 )~~8~ ? A mouse, with a bow on her tail.. ;) That > is, me. :) > > Or is it O.o ? Think "raised eyebrow".. Sorry Amy I failed Mickey Mouse. Still ... I like it! From dav259@csiro.au Fri Apr 04 21:25:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 05:25:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 9390 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 05:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 05:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 05:25:07 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h355Ot707724; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:24:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:24:55 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: Subject: Our mission Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 I've been on AMS lists now for close to three years. I've rocked the boat, I've been flung, I've laughed, and I've cried. But I've remained positive. We now have four times the membership that we had three years ago. And I have to ask - as I do from time to time - what have "we" personally done for the good of our cause? With the sad news of our 3MP permanently (there's no such thing) dropping stereo I fear things are doomed in Oz unless we can buy some AMS receivers - or there's a renaissance in North America pretty soon. And there's so many things that could be working in our favour. The IBOC debacle. Digitally enhanced radios - Symphony etc. Discussing and bitching about the situation on this list probably makes many of us feel better. But in my view we have to do more to protect and advance what we love. Why don't we form a lobby group of sorts? Several of us should agree to heap praise on any US (or other) station that turns AMS on. And we should be ready to jump on any station that turns it off. I am willing to coordinate it - but it shouldn't be necessary. I don't thing people in the industry should participate - but ask yourself - why shouldn't I? We've gotta do something public! In my first year I devised the "worldwide AM stereo blitz" which came to nothing (except about three positive replies from good people who are still here). I'm not so ambitious now but do understand that if we do nothing - nothing much will change. Hey! - Some of our newer members might have some ideas. If so - PLEASE! - share them with us - no matter how silly they may seem. Together - we have to do something good for the cause. Maybe the IAAAS should be reinvented ... ??? Ian IAAAS Network News - Melbourne [International Alliance of Advocates for AM Stereo] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Apr 04 22:30:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 06:30:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 19446 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 06:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 06:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 06:30:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2003 06:30:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 06:30:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where to buy a Sony WM-GX822 ?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010001c2fb04$c2fe93a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1737 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key approx a week. I remember seeing one (or maybe it was an Aiwa HS-JS636D or similar) several months back, but it went for something like $150 or more and I wasn't prepared to pay that much then. How long do you think I should wait? Or, can you suggest any other places to look? Also do you think ordering one direct from Japan if they're still selling them would be a viable option? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I've bought some oddball tubes from ebay, and they're not ones that show up > every week or even every month. How long have you been looking there for > one of these radios? I find that eventually things do show up. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:46 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Where to buy a Sony WM-GX822 ?? > > > > Anyone know where I could find one of these? I'm interested in > > purchasing one, but I can't find any on E-bay. I'm not sure how much > > I want to pay yet... I'm looking for prices on them before I make a > > decision. I have a Sony SRF-42, but it's not working, and I'd like to > > get one with a cassette recorder. If anyone has a WM-GX822 (even if > > you're not willing to sell it), how well does it perform on the AM > > band compared to other AM radios? Right now I'm using a mono > > Panasonic RQ-SW10 which gives good performance compared to the > > "crystal set" RQ-SW44 it replaced, which I still have. > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > From alfredot@inetarena.com Fri Apr 04 23:00:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 07:00:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 75186 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 07:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 07:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (206.129.216.13) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 07:00:49 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust79.tnt17.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [65.227.179.79]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h356vQC1019685 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:57:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 23:00:15 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Electrical Distribution In-Reply-To: <1049474484.963.71863.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > Japan adopted electricity fairly early- around 1900 or so. The > coltage setting of 90-100V @ 50Hz was more in line with battery > voltages of the time. Since then, Japan has adopted both 50 and 60Hz > cycle rates, and support voltage anywhere between 90 and 120V, and > can vary anywhere throughout the country. I think Japan is the only > major developed country with such a variable mains system. (America > and the UK used to, but have long since adopted single cycle/voltage > rates.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Does anyone here know of any good websites or books on the history of power distribution systems? I'd like to find out why 60 Hz was picked as the standard in North America (as opposed to 50 Hz in much of the rest of the world) and how the transition occurred from 110 volts being the nominal powerline voltage to 115 volts, later to 117 volts, and finally to 120 volts. Also, how did power generating stations control the phase of their alternators before there was GPS? Inquiring minds want to know. Alfredo From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 05 00:11:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 08:10:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 12947 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 08:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 08:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 08:10:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2003 08:10:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 08:10:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Electrical Distribution Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5701 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'd like to find out why 60 Hz was picked as the standard in North > America (as opposed to 50 Hz in much of the rest of the world) Here's some info I got from the web.... another site notes that 60 Hz became the North American standard as introduced by Westinghouse, possibly because its rotary converters worked most efficiently at this frequency. What Voltage? What Frequency? After the War of the Currents [DC vs. AC] was settled there remained the question of what voltage and frequency would be used. The easy transformability of AC made the voltage question noncritical but compatibility with Edison's 110V bulb system would make that the RMS default. However, with respect to frequency there were conflicting needs. Low frequency is best for generating startup motor torque and has lower hysteresis and charging current losses, whereas high frequency keeps transformers small and light flicker to a minimum. (The light output from an incandescent bulb varies ~10% over a single 60 Hz cycle). When Tesla joined Westinghouse they were using 133 Hz. 8 1/3 Hz was proposed as an industrial standard. A 25 Hz compromise won the day but was soon supplanted by 60 Hz. In Ontario, 25 Hz remained the standard into the 1950's at which point Ontario Hydro converted 7 million appliances by hand to the 60 Hz North American standard. To this day, some plants at Niagara Falls produce 25 Hz for industry and most electric trains in North America run at that frequency. (Ironically, high voltage DC turns out to be the most efficient way to send power long distances -- since there are no charging losses -- and is used to exchange power with Mexico and Quebec. Did Edison have the last laugh?) 110V? 115V? 120V? They're all right. The service voltage from an unloaded U.S. wall socket attached to a lightly loaded service panel is 120V. However, house wiring is sized to allow a 2% voltage drop at rated load. Nominal 120V therefore drops to 117V under load. Similar drops can occur all along the mostly unregulated distribution network from a substation. The substations themselves do regulate the voltage for sustained loads, usually by electromechanical means. In Massachusetts, standard electrical service ("utilization voltage") ranges between 108 and 126V. In a brownout, however, the lower limit can go down to 104V. One continent, one power grid The U.S. and Canada (with the exception of Quebec and most of Texas) are tied together in a single large power grid. All generators are synchronized to an exact 60Hz standard using references calibrated to the NIST atomic clocks. Phase matching and power transfer between networks effected by phase-varying transformers (a leading phase pushes powers, a trailing phase pulls it). On average, though, the finite speed of light implies ~ 4000/186000 sec propagation delay between Nova Scotia and San Diego - more than the 16.7ms of a complete 60 Hz wavelength. The U.S. power grid is therefore a powerful generator of 60 Hz radio waves, and for those of us old enough to remember phonograph hum, it's a wonder we were ever rid of it! Further info on Canada's 25 Hz AC power from a newsgroup posting: From: John Botari (jb@desoto.wxe.sk.doe.ca) Subject: Re: 25 cycle radios on 60 cycles Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: 1995/04/18 In Southern Ontario (where I used to live), the electric power grid was changed over from 25Hz to 60Hz in the 1950s, after the commissioning of the Sir Adam Beck No. 2 generating station in Niagara Falls. The local power utility (Ontario Hydro) contracted with various firms to convert appliances in people's homes wherever necessary; they replaced electric fans and clocks outright on an exchange basis, and put new motors in phonograph turntables as well as in furnaces, washing machines, and other major appliances, all at no cost to the homeowners. Some items were not included in the program ... things which did _not_ require conversion included radios and other similar electronic devices (whether or not they had transformer-type power supplies) ... I can clearly recall that we had a couple of old 25Hz transformer- type sets around the house that continued to operate happily well into the late 1960s, some fifteen years after the 60Hz power grid conversion took place. Such devices were always readily recognizable because of the huge stacks of laminations in their power transformers. I believe that one of the other differences was that the line voltage went from 110v to 117v (nominal) when the grid went from 25Hz to 60Hz, but I'm not completely sure of this ... it evidently didn't make much of a difference to our radios back then, but with aging components, you might have to be careful! It's interesting to note that there is still a certain amount of 25Hz power around in Ontario; most of the units at the Sir Adam Beck No. 1 generating station, as well as a couple of smaller plants, are still running at this frequency. The 25Hz power is used by heavy industries (it apparently has some advantages in very large motors), and I've been in a couple of factories where some of the wall plugs are labelled "Caution - 25 cycle". They certainly have a different overall "sound" to them ... you don't realize how pervasive 60Hz noise is until you walk into a place where the underlying tone is significantly different. Incidentally, the original reason for the choice of 25Hz for the power-line frequency in this part of Canada was apparently for the convenience of an electric railway. These usually operate on 600V DC, and so they require large rotary converter substations to provide their power. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Apr 05 06:43:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 14:43:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 99765 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 14:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 14:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 14:43:39 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-200.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.200]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h35EhZhp028104 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:43:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00bf01c2fb82$547a0bc0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where to buy a Sony WM-GX822 ?? Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:47:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude We have, or have had (don't know if he's still here) a guy who imported AMS radios from Japan, but it tended to be a pricey way to do things. His name is Chuck Simpson. I don't think the volume of business was enough for him to continue, but he may still have some connections over there. If you're ambitious enough, by all means try ordering one direct. As far as waiting on ebay, months could go by before anyone listed some of the tubes I was interested in- mostly oddball industrial stuff used in broadcast gear, so be patient. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > How long do you think I should wait? Or, can you suggest any other > places to look? Also do you think ordering one direct from Japan if > they're still selling them would be a viable option? > From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Apr 05 06:57:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 14:57:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 81962 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 14:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 14:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 14:57:45 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-200.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.200]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h35Evghp001533 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:57:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00e301c2fb84$4d1b8820$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: a bit of bad news Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:01:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From the 3/26 Radio World p12 HD Radio Scorecard- Looks like three of Sentinel Publishing's stations are set to go IBOC- WWTR, WMTR and worst news of all WCTC. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Apr 05 09:25:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 17:25:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 30706 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 17:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 17:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 17:25:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20030405172536.98571.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.164.240.134] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Apr 2003 09:25:36 PST Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:25:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: 60Hz Power? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Alfredo wrote: "I'd like to find out why 60 Hz was picked" IIRC, there were a couple of reasons. You can see 25Hz flicker in light bulbs, whereas you can only see 60Hz out the corners of your eyes, not while you're looking directly on. In the favor of 25Hz however, it works great for gigantic rock-crushing motors at stone quarries, and our local utitlity had one small turbine that made 25Hz for them for some time in addition to steam heat. Transformer sizing and the chunk of iron to make them is also a factor in the Hertz wars. Also, when you are talking about time, the earth and its rotation is sectored into multiples of 12 ie: 24Hrs/day, 60 seconds/minute, 60 minutes/hour, etc...so 60Hz works great in that respect to time and clocks. BTW, you may recall that all frequency references in the 'old days' were listed in 'cycles per second' cps, or on radios kilocycles (KC) and megacycles (MC) until the standard was named after H. Hertz (Hz), hence KHz and MHz. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From ai4i@hotmail.com Sat Apr 05 11:55:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai4i@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 19:55:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 93924 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 19:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 19:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 19:55:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:55:42 -0800 Received: from 216.77.211.66 by DAV54.sea2.internal.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 05 Apr 2003 19:55:41 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [ai4i@hotmail.com] To: References: <1049550254.1072.5405.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 651 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 14:55:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2003 19:55:42.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[56B19DB0:01C2FBAD] From: "Joel Wilson" Reply-To: "Joel Wilson" X-Originating-IP: [216.77.211.66] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127893550 X-Yahoo-Profile: ai4ijoel > > I can vouch for that. I'm quite satisfied with radio. Everyone on this > list keeps complaining that the programming is bad and I just don't see > where you are coming from. I've got two AM talk stations (unfortunately > not stereo) and 6 FM music stations that I regularly listen to and the > only time I'm ever left wanting more is in the mornings when the > stations think that I want to hear some stupid DJ's voice rather than > the music that I tuned in for. > > I too was satisfied with a 300 song rotation, heavily processed audio, limited variety between stations, and 15-20 minutes per hour of completely irrelevant non-program material, back before my 30'th birthday. Joel Wilson Fort Lauderdale ================================= Proud 2-B a pioneering satellite radio subscriber AI4I is always on the trailing edge of technology ================================= From ai4i@hotmail.com Sat Apr 05 12:02:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai4i@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 20:02:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 22197 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 20:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 20:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.119) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 20:02:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 12:02:20 -0800 Received: from 216.77.211.66 by dav15.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 05 Apr 2003 20:02:20 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [ai4i@hotmail.com] To: References: <1049550254.1072.5405.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 651 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:02:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2003 20:02:20.0987 (UTC) FILETIME=[4460C8B0:01C2FBAE] From: "Joel Wilson" Reply-To: "Joel Wilson" X-Originating-IP: [216.77.211.66] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127893550 X-Yahoo-Profile: ai4ijoel > > I loved WVWA, especially when they ran that extremely slight reverb ... > WVWA was a fictitious creation from some very talented radio programmers who lampooned the trend in American radio, their sequel to "9" is called "99" and can also be found on the WVWA website or at http://www.reelradio.com./philpott/index.html#tomorrow Check out "Tomorrow Radio" while on that web page, it is a gem. Joel Wilson Fort Lauderdale ================================= Proud 2-B a pioneering satellite radio subscriber AI4I is always on the trailing edge of technology ================================= From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Apr 05 12:15:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 20:15:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 96923 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 20:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 20:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 20:15:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2003 20:15:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 20:15:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Our mission Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3017 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie From the other AM stereo mailing list, reposted here in response to Ian's post. As long as one person gives a damn about AM stereo, it will never die. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --------8< cut&paste >8-------------- > From: Dennis M. Falk > Subject: [Dennis' AM Stereo List] - Re: Our mission On 4/5/2003 at 3:24 PM Ian Davidson wrote: [...] >We now have four times the membership that we had three years ago. And I >have to ask - as I do from time to time - what have "we" personally done >for the good of our cause? You're talking of both lists, here. As for what have I done, I'm out there preserving the technology and getting it out to the public so AM stereo, whether CQUAM, ISB, or any of the other systems, will be used by anyone who gives a damn enougth to at least experiment with them. >With the sad news of our 3MP permanently (there's no such thing) dropping >stereo I fear things are doomed in Oz unless we can buy some AMS receivers >- or there's a renaissance in North America pretty soon. Your best bet is AM stereo radios from Japan. AMS is is alive and well there. Don't bother waiting for any "renassance" from here in the US- The corporates behind the broadcasters and receiver- manufacturing industries really couldn't care less. [...] >Why don't we form a lobby group of sorts? No matter how many you get in such a lobby group, it still won't matter. You're competing with the IBOC lobby that has HUNDREDS of millions of dollars at its disposal. (Money talks.) [...] >We've gotta do something public! I don't know if there is anything we honestly CAN do in this regard, except just to be vigilant, LET the IBOC fools make a spectacle of themselves, and pick up after their mess. Such a disaster is going to leave enough room after it collapses for community/low-power broadcasters to take up the slack, then there'll be a new generation willing to experiment in AM stereo---as long as the information on the AM stereo systems is out there, and not neatly buried under a mountain of patents, where they have to be fished out from total obscurity. You just can't fight big money.. :/ ..but you can clean up after them. :) >I'm not so ambitious now but do understand that if we do nothing - nothing >much will change. Like I said, there isn't much we CAN do, at least not here in the US. Outside the US, there's more of a chance, being that in many countries, there's more of a democratic approach to things like this. In the US, such channels are all but closed, and are open wide when you offer enough dough. America- where we don't take our rights seriously enough, or to be more accurate, we take them for granted. Not like many other countries, who have adopted our ideals for civil and human rights, and take those rights seriously. >Maybe the IAAAS should be reinvented ... ??? No; IAAAS is dead, with a tarnished reputation, thanks to a few. Reviving IAAAS would have such baggage with it, it would be unbearable. d.m.f. From michaelj@vcn.com Sat Apr 05 14:14:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 5 Apr 2003 22:14:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 90088 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 22:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2003 22:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 22:14:15 -0000 Received: from michaelj (unverified [209.193.86.62]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:14:14 -0700 Message-ID: <003b01c2fbc0$c3734800$3e56c1d1@mshome.net> To: References: <20030405172536.98571.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 60Hz Power? Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:14:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting to see old signs or old radio station ads from the 50s and 60s that have the kc on them. Even at KMER in Kemmerer, Wyoming and KVSI in Montpelier, Idaho.....the sign on the buildings say it. "KMERadio...950kc" and "KVSI 1450kc" respectively. MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: {AMSF} 60Hz Power? BTW, you may recall that all frequency references in the 'old days' were listed in 'cycles per second' cps, or on radios kilocycles (KC) and megacycles (MC) until the standard was named after H. Hertz (Hz), hence KHz and MHz. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 05 17:02:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 6 Apr 2003 01:02:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 9907 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2003 01:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2003 01:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2003 01:02:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2003 01:02:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:02:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: a bit of bad news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e301c2fb84$4d1b8820$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2222 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > From the 3/26 Radio World p12 HD Radio Scorecard- Looks like three > of Sentinel Publishing's stations are set to go IBOC- WWTR, WMTR > and worst news of all WCTC. These stations are actually owned by Greater Media. And of the three, I think only 1250 WMTR would have half a chance of using IBOC. WMTR is a 5 kW day/1 kW night Class B station with a decent signal throughout the area. The only trouble they'd run into is with 1260 WBUD towards the southwest, although in that direction they have their simulcast on 1170 WWTR to fill in their coverage. 1170 WWTR is a 243-watt daytimer -- the lowest-power AM station in the state of NJ. Their folded unipole antenna is short enough that you can barely see it above the surrounding trees. And I doubt all the IBOC equipment would even fit in the trailer the station runs out of! Besides, it is closely spaced to 1160 WVNJ towards the north, 1160 WOBM towards the south, and 1190 WLIB towards the east -- all of which I'm sure would not be happy to have IBOC hash all over their signals. Meanwhile, 1450 WCTC probably has the least chance of switching to IBOC, as their 1000-watt non-directional transmitter is located just 18 miles away from 5000-watt non-directional 1430 WNSW... and I don't think WNSW would like to have half of their signal heavily interfered with IBOC hash from WCTC. Also, WCTC is one of the infamous "graveyard channel" stations, with only about a dozen miles of useful coverage radius at night before the combined signals of hundreds of other stations on the channel wipes them out. IBOC would do absolutey NOTHING to eliminate or even reduce this problem -- if anything, it would make it far worse, assuming that IBOC ever gets approved for nighttime use in the first place. That being said, I'll believe it when it see it (or, rather, *hear* it). Just this afternoon, in fact, I was listening to 1450 WCTC in the same high-fidelity AM Stereo as usual, and also to 1250 WMTR and 1170 WWTR in their usual good-quality mono signals. In fact, since I got my first AM Stereo radio in 1995, I've *never* encountered WCTC transmitting without a Stereo signal. They're the one local station I can always rely on. From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Apr 05 17:02:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 6 Apr 2003 01:02:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 36400 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2003 01:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2003 01:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2003 01:02:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2003 01:02:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:02:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo coffee cup Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 622 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.51 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g WITL is one of those stations that I believe should never have been on the air in the first place, with 500 Watts directional during the day, and micro power at night. If it weren't already gone, it would be history under my AM Band Improvement Plan. Since my plan is unlikely to ever see the light of day, we will have to depend on IBOC to do the job. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > For a grand total of 50 cents got 2 cups touting WITL 1010 in AM > Stereo. When I looked it up it looks like it's no longer even on the > air. The FM is Lansing MI. > > > Powell From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 05 17:12:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 6 Apr 2003 01:12:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 14665 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2003 01:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2003 01:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2003 01:12:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2003 01:12:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:12:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 60Hz Power? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030405172536.98571.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 508 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > BTW, you may recall that all frequency references in the 'old days' > were listed in 'cycles per second' cps, or on radios kilocycles > (KC) and megacycles (MC) until the standard was named after H. > Hertz (Hz), hence KHz and MHz. Actually, to be truly correct, the prefix for "kilo" is a lowercase "k", thus the lopsided "kHz" is the proper way to write it. And case does matter in prefixes -- "m" is "milli", while "M" is "Mega". Thus, "1 mHz" would be "1 millihertz" -- 0.001 cycles per second! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 05 17:22:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 6 Apr 2003 01:22:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 49533 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2003 01:22:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2003 01:22:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2003 01:22:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2003 01:22:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:22:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 60Hz Power? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003b01c2fbc0$c3734800$3e56c1d1@mshome.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 801 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Interesting to see old signs or old radio station ads from the 50s > and 60s that have the kc on them. Even at KMER in Kemmerer, > Wyoming and KVSI in Montpelier, Idaho.....the sign on the buildings > say it. "KMERadio...950kc" and "KVSI 1450kc" respectively. As late as January 1998, 1170 WBRW in Bridgewater, NJ used the following recorded sign-on announcement: "Good morning. This is WBRW, Bridgewater. WBRW is owned and operated by the Bridgewater Broadcasting Company, and is authorized by the Federal Communications Commission to transmit on an assigned carrier frequency of eleven hundred and seventy kilocycles, with 243 watts. WBRW's mailing address is P.O. Box ???, Bridgewater, New Jersey, 08807." That was from memory, and I recall everything except their P.O. Box number. From baansy@yahoo.com Sat Apr 05 21:48:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 6 Apr 2003 05:48:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 99794 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2003 05:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2003 05:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2003 05:48:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2003 05:48:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 05:48:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: PIONEER KE8003ZH Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 297 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 61.9.128.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Does anyone out there remember this car radio cassette. I now have 2 of these sets, 1 in perfect working order with instruction manual. When did they come out? How much were they? Were these one of the best AM STEREO car radios ever made? Were they available anywhere else but here in Australia? From amstereorules@msn.com Sun Apr 06 00:54:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 6 Apr 2003 08:54:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 16506 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2003 08:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2003 08:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2003 08:54:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2003 08:54:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 08:54:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on nighttime skywave: hype vs. reality Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.76 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >I got into AM stereo because I was/am into radio, and >for one other reason which I will leave for the detectives here >figure out. > > John John: When will your employer's Symphony Radio be available to the public at large? From powell@conterra.com Sun Apr 06 05:59:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 6 Apr 2003 12:59:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 74274 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2003 12:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2003 12:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2003 12:59:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2003 12:59:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 12:59:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo coffee cup Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 563 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > WITL is one of those stations that I believe should never have been on > the air in the first place, with 500 Watts directional during the day, > and micro power at night. If it weren't already gone, it would be > history under my AM Band Improvement Plan. Since my plan is unlikely > to ever see the light of day, we will have to depend on IBOC to do the > job. You are right. IBOC will do the job, just like the stake through the vampire's heart whilst he sleeps. Powell From jim@burgan.net Sun Apr 06 07:01:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 6 Apr 2003 14:01:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 95466 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2003 14:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2003 14:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2003 14:01:16 -0000 Received: from jimspc ([12.221.234.107]) by sccimhc02.insightbb.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030406140116.ZYIA2540.sccimhc02.insightbb.com@jimspc> for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 14:01:16 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c2fc45$000a8e70$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <1049550254.1072.5405.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 651 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 09:01:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> I loved WVWA, especially when they ran that extremely slight reverb ... >WVWA was a fictitious creation from some very talented radio programmers who >lampooned the trend in American radio, their sequel to "9" is called "99" >and can also be found on the WVWA website or at >http://www.reelradio.com./philpott/index.html#tomorrow >Check out "Tomorrow Radio" while on that web page, it is a gem. Having grown up in Poundridge, I listened to WVWA 24/7 and won many on-air contests. This was definitely a station that AM Stereo could have saved (either that or if the Chief Engineer hadn't run off with that Intern- racking up over $1800 on the company credit card and a $700 bill at Radio Shack, and the resulting pregnancy that caused the lawsuit that closed their doors forever). NINE! From ai4i@hotmail.com Sun Apr 06 15:42:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai4i@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 6 Apr 2003 22:42:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 58979 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2003 22:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2003 22:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.124) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2003 22:42:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 15:42:42 -0700 Received: from 216.77.209.101 by dav20.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 06 Apr 2003 22:42:42 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [ai4i@hotmail.com] To: References: <1049635443.398.96945.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 652 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 18:42:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2003 22:42:42.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5B8EDD0:01C2FC8D] From: "Joel Wilson" Reply-To: "Joel Wilson" X-Originating-IP: [216.77.209.101] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127893550 X-Yahoo-Profile: ai4ijoel > Subject: 60Hz Power? > > Alfredo wrote: "I'd like to find out why 60 Hz was picked" > I remember reading that at any voltage, DC is safer to touch than AC. I wonder if this means that lower frequencies are also safer than higher frequencies. Would the North American standard 117 voltage be substantially safer to touch than twice that voltage? I don't think that small 90v batteries pose any threat at all. Finally, I wonder what the statistics are for accidental mains power line electrocution, both at 117v and 234v. I received a British clock radio a few years ago, plugged it into a 234v air conditioner outlet, and it worked fine, the clock ran exactly 20% fast, as it counted the AC cycles. The FM band went up to about 103-104Mhz, I think modern British radios go up to 108Mhz. I worked in the avionics industry a number of years back. Even today, aircraft use 5v & 28v @ 400hz. I think that is because the alternators or generators and transformers are much smaller, lighter, and more efficient than they would be @ a lower frequency. Joel Wilson Fort Lauderdale ================================= Proud 2-B a pioneering satellite radio subscriber AI4I is always on the trailing edge of technology ================================= From fanfare@globility.com Sun Apr 06 17:43:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 7 Apr 2003 00:43:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 47018 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 00:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 00:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 00:43:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2003 00:43:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 00:43:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How to spin a survey Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <858EF406-6705-11D7-8244-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 542 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.73 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > If they are all so satisfied, why is listenership down so far??? > > Perhaps they need to ask those who no longer listen, rather than those > few remaining who still do. > > Actually, the survey results remind me of the more obvious examples of faulty equivocation you're likely to encounter in "Logic 101". (This is only an example, not a statement of fact) "50% of pot smokers alo smoke cigarettes. Therefore all cigarette smokers smoke pot." M.S. From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Apr 06 18:42:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 7 Apr 2003 01:42:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 57131 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 01:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 01:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 01:42:38 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-3.skyweb.net [66.6.130.131]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h371uKGw086804 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 21:56:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3E90D7AE.363388F8@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:43:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: New Pictures added Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hello Guys.. I added another page to My website.. Its pictures taken at the SBE meet at the WOR transmitter site.. you can see the IBOC receiver and the Tubes glow of the Contential 317C transmitter.. However on this Night is when my HP digital camera took a Dump... HP replaced it for free however On this trip I did Not get Pictures of the IBOC exciter.. maybe On my Next trip. Tom and Kerry Have both invited Me For another visit...anyone care to join Me???? http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/wttm/wor.html Coming soon will Be Pictures of the WBBR transmitter site.. Neal From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 06 19:18:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 7 Apr 2003 02:18:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 52090 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 02:18:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 02:18:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 02:18:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2003 02:18:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 02:18:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AC vs. DC power, & more Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3457 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I remember reading that at any voltage, DC is safer to touch than > AC. Here's some info from the web, with some of my own comments added in: Which is more dangerous, AC or DC? ================================== The electric chair which uses AC electricity as a form of execution was originally designed by Thomas Edison's power company as part of his campaign to show that AC was much more dangerous than DC. He did this because he preferred the idea of making and distributing DC electricity to homes while his rival Tesla favoured AC. In fact, there's little to choose between the two for danger. It's the amount of electricity rather than the type that's important. The only difference really is that because DC flows in only one direction, this can affect your muscles. Muscles are operated by electrical signals from your nerves. Other electric currents passing through your body during electrocution can fool your muscles into contracting very strongly. This is dangerous because your hands could become 'stuck' when holding onto the source of electricity that is giving you the electric shock. This would make matters much worse for you as it would allow more and more electricity to affect your body. [Also, anybody attempting to free you by using their bare hands may get 'stuck' in the DC shock as well. So don't touch anybody who is getting a shock in an attempt to rescue them -- turn off the power first, or if that's not possible, use a broom stick or something else non-conductive to pry them away from it! -K.T.] With AC that's less likely to happen because the current is always changing direction: your muscles would tighten then relax very rapidly. You're more likely to be thrown away from the source, but that's not certain. [60 Hz AC power means that 60 times per second, the voltage coming out is actually 0 volts, as the sine wave changes from positive to negative. This is why an AC shock -- as I'm sure most of us have felt, especially as a child -- feels "tingly". -K.T.] On the other hand, and this is what the Tesla-Edison arguement was about, safe low voltage AC can be transformed into a dangerous high voltage supply. You can't do that with DC. All electricity has some dangers even a battery can cause a fire in the wrong circumstances. And over about 30 Volts there is a risk of electrocution from AC or DC. [Actually, with enough amperage, even 10 volts can kill you. -K.T.] > The FM band went up to about 103-104Mhz, I think modern British > radios go up to 108Mhz. In Europe, the FM band was gradually expanded from 104 MHz to 106 MHz and then finally to 108 MHz. I have a German-made car radio from the 1970s and its FM band -- what it calls "UKW", for "Ultrakurzwelle" ("ultra-shortwave" in English) -- stops at 104 MHz. > I worked in the avionics industry a number of years back. Even > today, aircraft use 5v & 28v @ 400hz. I think that is because the > alternators or generators and transformers are much smaller, > lighter, and more efficient than they would be @ a lower frequency. As I understand it, the alternator in automobiles produces an AC output of constant voltage but with varying frequency (Hz) depending on the engine speed (RPMs). This is internally converted to DC for your car's electrical system, but some alternators provide a tap-in to their AC output as well -- diesel engines use this to get a signal for the tachometer. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 06 22:53:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 7 Apr 2003 05:53:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 3216 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 05:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 05:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 05:53:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2003 05:53:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 05:53:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Digital AM: Kahn to the Rescue! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1392 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com... ========================== Kahn Pushes New AM Digital Technology AM Stereo proponent Leonard Kahn says he has developed a new technology that will restore AM audio to 15 kHz by using digital processing. "The system, Compatible AM Digital (Cam-D), unlike the pending proposal now before the FCC, will not increase adjacent or co-channel interference," he said in a statement. He said it could operate day or night and some Midwestern stations have agreed to test the system, based on a number of Kahn's patents. He stated his system would perform with a station's existing transmitter and antenna. Engineers queried about the system said the description was vague and lacked technical details. ========================== This sounds to me like good ol' Kahn ISB AM Stereo combined with receiver-based digital processing to synthesize the missing high frequency audio above a certain point, say, in the 7.5 to 15 kHz range. "MP3pro" uses a similar method to extend its frequency response from 8 to 16 kHz without sounding nearly as "artificial" as IBOC. Actually, MP3pro uses an extra low-bitrate digital stream to help it "guess" the missing high frequencies. Perhaps Kahn's system places an additional low-frequency subcarrier in the L-R component to convey this data -- essentially, a pilot tone modulated in the same fashion as RTTY. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Apr 07 00:55:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97890 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 07:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 07:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 07:55:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2003 07:55:03 -0000 Date: 7 Apr 2003 07:55:03 -0000 Message-ID: <1049702103.25117.48255.w7@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /amaxrad.jpg Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Artist's conception of a new AMAX Digitally Enhanced AM Stereo receiver, featuring Kahn Compatible AM Digital (CAM-D) technology. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/amaxrad.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Apr 07 08:13:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 7 Apr 2003 15:13:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 69219 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 15:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 15:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 15:11:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2003 15:11:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:11:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: What's the best AM Stereo portable radio? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 416 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, All things considered: 1) FM Stereo reception a) freedom from mixing products b) selectivity c) sensitivity d) freedom from "amplifier hiss" 2)AM-Stereo reception a) freedom from images b) selectivity c) sensitivity d) freedom from "amplifier hiss" What's the absolute best performing portable AM/FM <<--STEREO-->> radio? SRF-42? SRF-M100? SRF-AX51V? SRF-A100 Other? Best regards, Paul Bigelow From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Apr 07 08:20:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 7 Apr 2003 15:20:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 89298 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 15:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 15:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 15:20:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2003 15:20:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:20:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Source for Sony AM stereo radios Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello folks, I made an inquiry with a USA importer and here is the result: http://www.audiocubes.com Click on "Portable Audio" on the right and look at the "New products for April". I have no connection with these folks and have not placed an order (yet). These radios aren't real cheap (not real expesive, either), but they do seem to be available. Best regards, Paul Bigelow From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Apr 07 08:25:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 7 Apr 2003 15:24:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 15469 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 15:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 15:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 15:24:56 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 09:24:56 -0600 Message-ID: <00b201c2fd19$d8955430$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's the best AM Stereo portable radio? Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 09:24:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow Paul....you're gonna start quite the debate here! Best one I've heard and have is the SRF-A1 walkman (companion to the A100 radio). There's more high end I think. Just "sounds" better. pretty sensitive as well. I know this is immediately going to trigger Mr T's fact sheet on "well it's not done the right way and Sony doesn't use the right co-sine correction circuit blah blah blah....." Eh, it sounds great to me. I ain't that picky. I DO like a lot of high end, though. I don't like muddy sound. SRF-42 sounds pretty good too. I'd say it was my Aiwa recording walkman since it has good FM sensitivity and it records......except that the AM on it is quite crappy. And everything inside of there is damn-near microscopic.....so I can't figure out which little dot is the ceramic filter and how to widen it. I'd love to be able to do that. Anyways.....opinions are like a$$holes...... that's mine. MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: pabigelow To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: {AMSF} What's the best AM Stereo portable radio? Hello, All things considered: 1) FM Stereo reception a) freedom from mixing products b) selectivity c) sensitivity d) freedom from "amplifier hiss" 2)AM-Stereo reception a) freedom from images b) selectivity c) sensitivity d) freedom from "amplifier hiss" What's the absolute best performing portable AM/FM <<--STEREO-->> radio? SRF-42? SRF-M100? SRF-AX51V? SRF-A100 Other? Best regards, Paul Bigelow [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Apr 07 08:53:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 7 Apr 2003 15:53:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 92338 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 15:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 15:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 15:53:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2003 15:53:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:53:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's the best AM Stereo portable radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b201c2fd19$d8955430$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1606 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello Michael, Yep, the question should start a debate! The issues I have with many small "pocket-type" portables are mainly: 1) Poor FM RF performance -- mixing products all over the dial because the low volage mixers are swamped. 2) Amplifier hiss (heard at the lowest volume setting) with headphone/earphones/earbuds plugged in. If only a manufacturer would make a small, portable, digitally tuned AM-Stereo, FM-Stereo, DX "machine" with good sound.... None of the following radios (except one) are AM stereo but these are my opinions: The best FM RF performance I have heard with a "smallish-type" radio is the Sangean ATS-909. The radio has mixing products to be sure, but these are resonably controlled. The reason? The front end uses a Toshiba chip with a balanced FM mixer! A low voltage balanced FM mixer. I was floored. Unfortunately, the ATS-909 does not have AM stereo and has annoying amplifier hiss. The Sony ICF-SW7600GR has very low hiss but the FM performance is marginal. AM is OK. The Sangean DT-110 has OK FM and a not bad AM section. Hiss is sort of low. Modified the FM IF filter with a narrower Toko type. The best "ultra minature" receiver I've found. The Sangean DT-200 has OK FM (lower stereo threshold than the DT-110) and the AM is nice. Hiss is too high. The Sony SRF-M35. Poor FM section, bad selectivity, FM mixing products galore. AM section OK, good sensitivity. Too much amp hiss. The SRF-A1 has a nice AM section (stereo! - DUH!) but the FM section is disappointing to0 many mixing products. Hiss is present. Best regards, Paul Bigelow From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 10:22:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 7 Apr 2003 17:22:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 12550 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 17:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 17:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 17:22:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20030407172257.62370.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Apr 2003 10:22:57 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: KAHN Station? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio http://www.wbdhradio.com/index.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Apr 07 10:52:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 7 Apr 2003 17:52:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 32295 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 17:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 17:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 17:52:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2003 17:51:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 17:51:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's the best AM Stereo portable radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b201c2fd19$d8955430$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 806 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" < michaelj@v...> wrote: > Wow Paul....you're gonna start quite the debate here! Best one I've > heard and have is the SRF-A1 walkman (companion to the A100 radio). > There's more high end I think. Just "sounds" better. pretty > sensitive as well. I know this is immediately going to trigger Mr > T's fact sheet on "well it's not done the right way and Sony doesn't > use the right co-sine correction circuit blah blah blah....." Eh, > it sounds great to me. I ain't that picky. I DO like a lot of high > end, though. I don't like muddy sound. That's the neat thing about using the wrong "co-sine" correction circuit, it creates a synthetic high end to replace those missing highs for those who "don't like muddy sound." John From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Apr 07 11:07:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 7 Apr 2003 18:07:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 84021 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 18:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 18:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 18:07:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2003 18:07:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 18:07:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KAHN Station? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030407172257.62370.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 269 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > http://www.wbdhradio.com/index.html I thought that was a fake pesudo Kahn system, not the real thing, not even a good attempt to duplicate the Kahn system, he just calls it Kahn. John From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 12:30:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 7 Apr 2003 19:30:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 48283 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 19:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 19:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 19:30:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2003 19:30:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 19:30:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KAHN Station? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030407172257.62370.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 627 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > http://www.wbdhradio.com/index.html Yup. Or at least phased-ISB. WBDH is a Part 15 station (supposedly), so it doesn't have to fall under FCC license requirements in standards. The one quibble I have with it is I don't know the legality of commercial advertising on Part 15 stations. Not too happy about their politics, either. But their Shoutcast stream is indeed taken off-air on an ISB-capable radio, in stereo. (I do like the music- Big- band/jazz/light standards, with oldtime radio shows... Just not the politics.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 12:40:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 7 Apr 2003 19:40:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 85666 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 19:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 19:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 19:40:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2003 19:40:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 19:40:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KAHN Station? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 865 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > http://www.wbdhradio.com/index.html > > I thought that was a fake pesudo Kahn system, not the real thing, not > even a good attempt to duplicate the Kahn system, he just calls it > Kahn. One of my little pet peeves: ISB != (does not equal) Kahn. Not to say Kahn _isn't_ ISB, but if I can find ISB patents additionally from AT&T (filed in 1925!), Philco, RCA, NEC, and a Dutch patent from 1952 (Kahn's 1957 ISB patent is in what I call "brute" ISB- uses bandpass filters, not quadrature phasing as later), then I surely can't refer to ISB as "Kahn". (RCA filed a number of different AM stereo patents, for about 4-5 different systems, but settled on its AM/FM system to promote.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 12:57:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 7 Apr 2003 19:57:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 13570 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 19:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 19:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 19:57:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2003 19:57:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 19:57:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What's the best AM Stereo portable radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1284 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pabigelow" wrote: I have used separate pocket/portable radios for AM and FM, myself. Best AM stereo radio? The Sony SRF-A100. That was a beauty, and I do miss that radio.. :/ Damned earthquakes. :( It was wide as all get out, but considering how wide it was, it was satisfactorily selective, end even more so in narrow. And sensitive, too! Forced-AM stereo made this radio an excellent tool for DXing, even allowing me to hear Osaka, Japan on 828, in spite of WCCO and KHVH (at the time) on 830. I got a recording of it here somewhere, maybe on an 8mm tape in that now-hard-to-find multitrack audio-only mode, and no working 8mm machine here for it. :( The FM, as some have pointed out regarding the Sonys already, here, was both muddy in had very poor image/mixing rejection. I literally disabled the FM, I was that sick of it. Now, for FM, I forget the model number (kinda worn off) but it's a Magnavox pocket FM stereo/AM radio in a rainbow-plastic shell, bought back in the late '80s, and is still in use. Excellent image/mix rejection, clear audio, and very sensitive stereo trigger- Great for listening to some of the weaker local stations, even at timesw, ones from 60 miles away. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From marcelo@radioclube.com.br Mon Apr 07 13:39:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: marcelo@radioclube.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 7 Apr 2003 20:39:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 69927 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 20:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 20:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 20:39:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2003 20:39:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:39:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-42 AM Stereo/FM Stereo Walkman in the E-bay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 93 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "marcelofranc" X-Originating-IP: 200.171.30.173 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=114404417 X-Yahoo-Profile: marcelofranc Se eu morasse nos USA comprava rapidinho... _____________ If I live in the USA I would buy. From marcelo@radioclube.com.br Mon Apr 07 13:40:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: marcelo@radioclube.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 7 Apr 2003 20:40:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 40043 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2003 20:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2003 20:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2003 20:39:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2003 20:39:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:39:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-42 AM Stereo/FM Stereo Walkman in the E-bay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 171 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "marcelofranc" X-Originating-IP: 200.171.30.173 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=114404417 X-Yahoo-Profile: marcelofranc Se eu morasse nos USA comprava rapidinho... _____________ If I live in the USA I would buy. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3016930304&category=3281 From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Apr 07 17:47:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 8 Apr 2003 00:47:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 70754 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2003 00:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2003 00:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2003 00:47:15 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-231.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.231]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h380lBhp023007 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:47:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004401c2fd68$6b78cc20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Source for Sony AM stereo radios Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:47:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You sure any of those have AMS? The A300 looks like it could be converted if it doesn't already have it. Be sure to get a service manual with it. I usually get one after purchasing such stuff. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pabigelow" > I made an inquiry with a USA importer and here is the result: > > http://www.audiocubes.com > These radios aren't real cheap (not real expesive, either), but they > do seem to be available. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Apr 07 17:59:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 8 Apr 2003 00:59:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 42694 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2003 00:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2003 00:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2003 00:59:18 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-231.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.231]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h380xEhp027130 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:59:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009501c2fd6a$1a992500$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: temporary bail out Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:59:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gotta bail out of the daily discussions for a short period of time. I'll still be reading the mail on the website, but my computer needs a new hard drive and I don't want hundreds of emails waiting for me, so I'll be less active for the time being. I'll be back when I can. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bjackson@indyradio.com Mon Apr 07 19:25:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 8 Apr 2003 02:25:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 34052 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2003 02:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2003 02:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2003 02:25:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2003 02:25:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 02:25:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Digital AM: Kahn to the Rescue! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2081 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.118 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > From www.radioworld.com... > > ========================== > Kahn Pushes New AM Digital Technology > ** SNIP ** And to add to that...from R&R: Could this revolutionize AM? Audio guru Leonard Kahn announces "Cam- D" - Compatible AM Digital. Tired of lousy AM reception? Kahn Communications claims the new Cam-D system will "restore AM broadcasting to 15 KHz stereo fidelity by use of digital processing." But it's not - definitely not - tied to iBiquity's proposed AM In-Band On-Channel solution. Leonard Kahn says unlike iBiquity's HD Radio, his system "will not increase adjacent or co-channel interference. Therefore the system will be able to operate during the nighttime as well as daytime hours" The FCC hasn't yet approved iBiquity's AM system for night use. There's more, says Kahn: Cam-D is "fully compatible with the over half a billion radios" already out there. He says they'll hear "noticeably improved sound." And when you hear Cam-D on new receivers, it can deliver 15 KHZ stereo fidelity, using frequency compression, and digital transmission and reception techniques. Kahn says it also provides what engineers call better "fading performance" at night. Kahn says he's got customers for "Cam-D" in six states. The test stations in Michigan, Indiana, Ne- braska, Tennessee, Utah and Wisconsin range from a 500-watt daytimer to "major 50-kw stations with highly directional antennas." Leonard Kahn, who created an AM stereo system in the 1980s and fought Motorola and a regulation-resistant FCC to get it considered, is promising each Cam-D test station that his system will perform well with existing transmitters and antennas. Cam-D is based on several of Kahn's patents, as well as "brand new inventions." He's requesting the FCC to evaluate his Cam-D system and compare it to what he calls the "hybrid AM DAB system" of iBiquity. Kahn's system proposes to solve some of the AM problems that some listen- ers have reported with iBiquity. (Leonard Kahn: 212-983-xxxx) From baansy@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 20:10:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 8 Apr 2003 03:10:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 78780 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2003 03:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2003 03:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2003 03:10:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2003 03:10:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 03:10:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Reply from 5MU SOUTH AUSTRALIA Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1866 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 202.174.40.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Dear Andrew, Thank you for your inquiries regarding AM STEREO. I'll answer what questions I can - 1. When did you start broadcasting in stereo We started broadcasting in AM stereo in 1987 when we installed a new Harris 5000kw transmitter. 2. When did you stop. We ceased transmitting AM stereo in the early 90's (Exact date unknown). 3. Why did you stop. It was believed at the time that if we switched back to mono our 'footprint' (coverage area) would be bigger, also AM stereo was not a very popular medium. The ABA commenced the expansion of FM licences during the early 90's, which effectively killed the take-up of AM stereo. Recievers for AM stereo were expensive and generally not installed in cars or home stereo systems. 4. Did you use the "C-QUAM" system I have no idea what a "C-QUAM" system is. 5. Would you consider broadcasting in stereo again. 5MU will not broadcast in stereo for the following reasons: The cost to purchase a new AM stereo exciter, install it and tune-up the transmitter would not be recovered in the extra business we would recieve from broadcasting an stereo AM product. 5MU will not be broadcasting in stereo in the future. I hope this information is useful for your forum. Regards Paul Cook 5MU/Power FM PROGRAM DIRECTOR From: ANDREW BAANS To: dhoward@5mu.com.au Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: AM STEREO Hello, my name is Andrew Baans, I live in Adelaide and am a regular listener of 5MU. I remember a few years ago 5MU identified its self as "STEREO 1125 5MU" I was wondering 1. When did you start broadcasting in stereo 2. When did you stop. 3. Why did you stop. 4. Did you use the "C-QUAM" system 5. Would you consider broadcasting in stereo again. The people on the AM STEREO FORUM would be also interested in finding this out. From powell@conterra.com Mon Apr 07 20:58:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 8 Apr 2003 03:58:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 27538 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2003 03:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2003 03:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2003 03:58:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2003 03:58:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 03:58:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Those Memorex red ball portable radio / CD players Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 114 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The AM is fairly wide, a bit better than average but not as good as a SR III. Right now @ $27 clearance. Powell From bd6xray@lycos.com Mon Apr 07 23:23:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bd6xray@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 8 Apr 2003 06:23:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 49251 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2003 06:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2003 06:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2003 06:23:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2003 06:23:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 06:23:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AC vs. DC power, & more Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1184 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bd6xray" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.189.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83174981 X-Yahoo-Profile: bd6xray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: 60 Hz AC power means that 60 times per second, > the voltage coming out is actually 0 volts, as the sine wave changes > from positive to negative. Actually, there are two zero crossings per cycle, so there are 120 times per second that the voltage is 0 Volts. > As I understand it, the alternator in automobiles produces an AC > output of constant voltage but with varying frequency (Hz) depending > on the engine speed (RPMs). This is internally converted to DC for > your car's electrical system, but some alternators provide a tap-in > to their AC output as well -- diesel engines use this to get a signal > for the tachometer. This is correct. The alternator is a three phase generator with built-in rectifiers. The regulator is sort of a pulse width device. It watches the output voltage, and when it reaches a preset level (I think it's around 14.5), it cuts off the rotating field and thus the output. If the battery is low, this doesn't last long before the regulator kicks in the field again. I don't recall a typical rate, but it is "lots of times per second". Al Hajny From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 01:31:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 8 Apr 2003 08:31:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 78317 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2003 08:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2003 08:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2003 08:31:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2003 08:31:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 08:31:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What's the best AM Stereo portable radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1894 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I happen to like my Sony SRF-A300 a lot. It has excellent sensitivity and selectivity on AM, even with just the built-in antenna -- it's great for "casual" DXing. And although the bandwidth isn't particularly wide, it still sounds good, as it has proper low- distortion C-Quam decoding and good bass response. Downsides include tuning up to only 1660 kHz (at least on mine), no tone control (which would help to brighten up the treble), and of course the fact that it is a Japan-only radio, so you'll have to privately import it, and then the FM band will only tune up to 90 MHz unless you make some modifications. It is analog tuning, but it has a smooth, accurate, and large-scale dial, so that's not really a disadvantage. And for home use, the tuner with the best AM reception I have ever encountered, bar none, is the J.C. Penney/Modular Component System MCS 3050. Hook it up to a Terk AM Advantage or hard-wired Select-A- Tenna, and look out!! You will be pulling in stations like crazy -- in AM Stereo where available! You can even "null out" local stations and pull in DX catches, day and night, that no other affordable radio can hear. And it sounds good, too, with response up to about 7 kHz. A neat feature is that its presets also store the Mono/Stereo mode with each preset -- so, for example, for a weak FM station that you only want to listen to in mono, you can lock in the preset for it with mono mode engaged. Downsides include AM tuning only up to 1620 kHz, an FM tuner that's not as selective as it could be, and the fact that it hasn't been manufactured since the late 1980s -- although it is a fairly common flea market/garage sale/eBay catch, usually at a great price because nobody knows just how good it is. I got mine for $35 on eBay -- not bad for a radio whose performance on AM rivals that of some $350 communications receivers! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 01:39:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 8 Apr 2003 08:39:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 75444 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2003 08:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2003 08:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2003 08:39:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2003 08:39:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 08:39:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-A300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004401c2fd68$6b78cc20$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 683 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You sure any of those have AMS? The A300 looks like it could be > converted if it doesn't already have it. The Sony SRF-A300 definitely has AM Stereo, and Audiocube's price of $99 for it is very good. See my previous message for my own little review of the SRF-A300. It is basically the grown-up "big brother" of the classic SRF-A100, and although it doesn't have the original's spectacular hi-fi sound, it is still an excellent radio in its own right. Plus it has a dial light that glows a soft green at the touch of a button, and a clock-radio-like "Sleep" button -- neat features for those who like to catch some nighttime AM Stereo DXing before hitting the sack. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Apr 08 05:19:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 8 Apr 2003 12:19:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 47625 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2003 12:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2003 12:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2003 12:19:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2003 12:19:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 12:19:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo DX opportunity! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2592 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Here is an AM Stereo DX opportunity for those living along the Eastern Seaboard of the USA: 580 CJFX 25 kw AM Stereo currently appears to have a drastically altered signal pattern. Normally its pattern focuses northeast and east of Antigonish, NS. Usually it thunders into Cape Breton, with a strong secondary signal throughout western Newfoundland and Labrador. Not right now. My sources in Cape Breton say that CJFX is very weak there now. Here in greater Charlottetown PEI, smack dab in the middle of a major null, the signal is quite good - good enough that traffic lights, power lines and even parking garages don't bother it too much. Driving to and from work today and yesterday, I was treated to very clear, great sounding AM stereo. Normally, it would be a barely detectable signal buried in EMI. Their music is too "Lite" a "Lite Rock" for my tastes, many of the announcers are terrible - the afternoon drive guy clearing his throat repeatedly right on air, the evening jockess [6 pm to midnight] sounding like a 12 year old Radio Disney reject, the morning guy sounds like some sort of country station cast off. [they used to have good announcers but they were either kicked out by management, or got out while the getting is good]. The midday jockess - Rhonda - is good. Overnites - middnight to 6 am ADT, is computer automation. From 6 to 7 pm ADT Mon-Fri they run Celtic type music, then at 7 its back to Lite Rock. Let's see, Lite rocks are made out of styrofoam, I guess. So, I suspect that something has gone wrong and they are operating in a circular patterrn, or a heavily modified directional pattern. Could it be coincidence that they will soon be testing their 75kw FM which will replace the AM? Maybe they took one of the towers and are moving it up on nearby Connor's Mountain for the FM! LOL So try to catch this rare AM Stereo DX before they go dark. The AM site is only 12 years old, features 2 430 foot towers and is of course CQUAM. Ground conductivity is only 4, but if you dig out your atlas, you'll see that there is lots of salt water from there down the Eastern Seaboard, normally, along with CFRA Ottawa, being "protected territory". I suspect that the only thing holding a serious eastern seaboard dxer back will be nearby co-channels or strong local 1st adjacents - give it a try before "The X" becomes "The EX". Phil R. P.S. They ID as "The X". Frequency ID tends to mostly be 98.9 for the FM, often expressed as "ninety-eight-nine". Could this be the sequel to 9 and 99? "The EX Format" LOL From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 10:39:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 8 Apr 2003 17:39:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 72613 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2003 17:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2003 17:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2003 17:34:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2003 17:34:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:34:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Technics ST-Z1 ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 267 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I'm somewhat doubtful, but it's worth a shot if anybody is familiar with the model: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3017690418 Quote: "This tuner decodes both am and fm stereo signals I believe, but I cant find any stereo am signals." From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 11:03:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 8 Apr 2003 18:03:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 56968 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2003 18:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2003 18:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2003 18:03:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2003 18:02:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 18:02:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What's the best AM Stereo portable radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 806 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I seem to have a decent-quality (compared to other radios in the home) home stereo tuner, but alas, it has no AM Stereo capability. (a Technics SA-250) What would be a good one to get? I would want very good selectivity (here's a recording from a Panasonic Shockwave RQ-SW10 of a local station on 1170 ... blocks out DX's on 1150 and 1180) http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/KCBQ-day-badselectivity.mp3 Also, I would want good sensitivity... for example... bring in these stations (from the RQ-SW10): http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/AM-DX-820_930_980_1050_1280.mp3 at least as clear as this one: (also from the Shockwave) http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/KNX.mp3 What would be a good tuner? I would also want inputs for a cassette deck, turntable, and CD player/changer/recorder (when I get one) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 21:12:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 9 Apr 2003 04:12:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 30878 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2003 04:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2003 04:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2003 04:12:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20030409041209.58240.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.127.57.239] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 21:12:09 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AM Stereo Radios? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio SRF-A100 has fanastic AM & AM Stereo - FM bites, but you don't buy this one for FM. SRF-A1 is similar unit without the speakers. If you don't want a portable, consider using a Chrysler 5-band-EQ/Joystick AM Stereo radio or GM/Delco "UX-1", also with 5-band EQ and telltale "AM/ST" pushbutton. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 21:27:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 9 Apr 2003 04:27:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 33799 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2003 04:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2003 04:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2003 04:27:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2003 04:27:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 04:27:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Radios? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030409041209.58240.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 991 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > SRF-A100 has fanastic AM & AM Stereo - FM bites, but you don't buy > this one for FM. SRF-A1 is similar unit without the speakers. The FM on these Sonys is really not that bad, but it overloads easily in "DX" mode. If you're getting FM stations in places on the dial where they're not supposed to be, switch it to "Local" mode and it will clear up, at the expense of some sensitivity. However, selecting "DX" mode does allow me to experience an interesting phenomenon: I have a local FM station on 98.3 MHz, and another on 99.1 MHz. In "DX" mode on my SRF-A100, when I tune to 99.9 MHz, I hear the audio of both of these stations mixed together-- but their signals aren't perfectly synchronized, so I get to hear *platform motion* from *FM* Stereo! Normally, FM's "capture" effect prevents this, as you can only hear one station at a time, but with the capture defeated, FM Stereo would have some very bad problems with platform motion when signals start mixing together. From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Apr 09 06:43:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 9 Apr 2003 13:43:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 95441 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2003 13:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2003 13:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2003 13:43:31 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:43:31 -0600 Message-ID: <002a01c2fe9e$0299b1b0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Radios? Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:43:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welp, got to add another one to my collection yesterday. Interesting enough that Kevin T was talking about his MCS 3050 tuner yesterday here on the list, and then I walked into my favorite thrift store yesterday afternoon and there's one sitting on the shelf for $15. Mint condition, not a scratch on it. Works beautifully. Plugged it in and hooked it up to my receiver just long enough to make sure it worked and hear KEVA in stereo. It was late last night....I didn't have a lot of time to mess with it. It sounds pretty good, though. Bandwidth sounds about as good as my Marantz SR941 receiver that I use as my main home system. Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Apr 09 07:00:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 9 Apr 2003 14:00:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 11391 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2003 14:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2003 14:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2003 14:00:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2003 14:00:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 14:00:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Radios? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002a01c2fe9e$0299b1b0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1116 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking That's one great thrift store MJR! The other week I got a beautiful scratch free ADC sound shaper EQ at our local Cash Converters for $25 CDN. It does a beautiful job of bringing my Heath PT-1 tuner into AMAX mode. Before the EQ it sounded a bit shrill - now its sounds very sweet. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Welp, got to add another one to my collection yesterday. Interesting enough that Kevin T was talking about his MCS 3050 tuner yesterday here on the list, and then I walked into my favorite thrift store yesterday afternoon and there's one sitting on the shelf for $15. Mint condition, not a scratch on it. Works beautifully. Plugged it in and hooked it up to my receiver just long enough to make sure it worked and hear KEVA in stereo. It was late last night....I didn't have a lot of time to mess with it. It sounds pretty good, though. Bandwidth sounds about as good as my Marantz SR941 receiver that I use as my main home system. > > Michael n WYO > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Apr 09 07:07:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 9 Apr 2003 14:07:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 59738 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2003 14:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2003 14:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2003 14:07:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2003 14:07:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 14:07:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo DX opportunity! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3576 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking By the way, CJFX's AM site is popping on and off the air numerous times. This morning at breakfast it was strong on my SRF-42, but driving to work it was off the air. Something is definitely wrong. I can't see that ABL [Atlantic Broadcasters Limited] is going to shell out big bucks to repair it, with the FM being ugraded almost any day now from 2.75 kw to 75kw, plus an extra 100 feet or so of EHAAT, and the AM scheduled to be phased out after that - the CRTC normally allows up to 3 months - but often stations pull the plug before that to save on electricity, maintenance, and to pack the transmitter off to Nautel and then on to a Radio Disney station near you. For the meanwhile, when 580 is on the air, it should be a good DX opportunity - except for European DXers. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: > Here is an AM Stereo DX opportunity for those living along the > Eastern Seaboard of the USA: > > 580 CJFX 25 kw AM Stereo currently appears to have a drastically > altered signal pattern. Normally its pattern focuses northeast and > east of Antigonish, NS. Usually it thunders into Cape Breton, with > a strong secondary signal throughout western Newfoundland and > Labrador. Not right now. My sources in Cape Breton say that CJFX > is very weak there now. > > Here in greater Charlottetown PEI, smack dab in the middle of a > major null, the signal is quite good - good enough that traffic > lights, power lines and even parking garages don't bother it too > much. Driving to and from work today and yesterday, I was treated > to very clear, great sounding AM stereo. Normally, it would be a > barely detectable signal buried in EMI. > > Their music is too "Lite" a "Lite Rock" for my tastes, many of the > announcers are terrible - the afternoon drive guy clearing his > throat repeatedly right on air, the evening jockess [6 pm to > midnight] sounding like a 12 year old Radio Disney reject, the > morning guy sounds like some sort of country station cast off. [they > used to have good announcers but they were either kicked out by > management, or got out while the getting is good]. The midday > jockess - Rhonda - is good. Overnites - middnight to 6 am ADT, is > computer automation. From 6 to 7 pm ADT Mon-Fri they run Celtic > type music, then at 7 its back to Lite Rock. Let's see, Lite rocks > are made out of styrofoam, I guess. > > So, I suspect that something has gone wrong and they are operating > in a circular patterrn, or a heavily modified directional pattern. > Could it be coincidence that they will soon be testing their 75kw FM > which will replace the AM? Maybe they took one of the towers and > are moving it up on nearby Connor's Mountain for the FM! LOL So > try to catch this rare AM Stereo DX before they go dark. The AM site > is only 12 years old, features 2 430 foot towers and is of course > CQUAM. Ground conductivity is only 4, but if you dig out your > atlas, you'll see that there is lots of salt water from there down > the Eastern Seaboard, normally, along with CFRA Ottawa, > being "protected territory". > > I suspect that the only thing holding a serious eastern seaboard > dxer back will be nearby co-channels or strong local 1st adjacents - > give it a try before "The X" becomes "The EX". > > Phil R. > > P.S. They ID as "The X". Frequency ID tends to mostly be 98.9 for > the FM, often expressed as "ninety-eight-nine". Could this be the > sequel to 9 and 99? "The EX Format" LOL From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 09:59:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 9 Apr 2003 16:59:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 97330 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2003 16:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2003 16:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2003 16:59:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2003 16:59:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:59:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MCS 3050 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002a01c2fe9e$0299b1b0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1930 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics >> MCS 3050 tuner esterday here on the list, and then I walked into my favorite thrift store yesterday afternoon and there's one sitting on the shelf for $15. Mint condition, not a scratch on it. << Good catch! Mine came from a seller in Puerto Rico, of all places, and looks like it was sitting in a damp place for a long time, as it actually has rust on the metal cabinet... but it still works great! The MCS 3050 works well with an ordinary passive loop antenna (the kind that comes with most bookshelf stereo systems these days), but it really perks up when you use a "hard-wired" Terk AM Advantage or Select-A-Tenna tuned loop antenna! The sensitivity and selectivity are both fantastic; the only downside is that you have to constantly re-tune the antenna to match the tuner's frequency; for example, if you try to tune in 750 kHz but have the antenna set to 1200 kHz, you won't pick up much of anything. It's like adding a "Tuned RF" front end, the same as car radios and the GE Superadio series use. I haven't tried my MCS 3050 with an outdoor "long-wire" antenna and a good Earth ground; in a rural area with low electrical noise, that should _really_ bring in the DX! It does sound good, too, as the bandwidth is just the right compromise between selectivity and hi-fi sound -- I think it uses a 6 kHz filter. My only criticism is that the bass response is not as good as it could be, and it tends to get "crackly" in Stereo mode, but both of these are mostly limitations of the early MC13020-based decoder design (my MCS 3050 was manufactured in 1985). By the way, the MCS 3050 appears to use the same circuit design as the Sherwood TD130SB tuner (sold in Australia), except the Sherwood uses a 9 kHz channel spacing while the MCS is set for 10 kHz steps. Otherwise the blue flourescent display appears to be identical on both, and their control button layouts are very similar. From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Apr 09 10:17:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 9 Apr 2003 17:17:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 33562 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2003 17:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2003 17:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2003 17:17:27 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:17:26 -0600 Message-ID: <002d01c2febb$e5f9fba0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MCS 3050 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:17:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Too much interference at home for me to grab any decent DX. Same at my shop. The shop sits under overhead power/cable/telephone lines. So AM reception is crappy there. I can't even get a decent air check of KEVA...my local...in stereo at my shop. There's hum and buzz and squeel in the background. A few of you listened to the airchecks I did with a few of the radios tuned to my alfredo lite station. (www.cajuncomp.com/sounds) and had mentioned the hum that was probably coming from the 9V wall-wart I have powering my Alfredo. I thought some of you had mentioned how to remedy this. Is there a way I can put a capacitor across the power leads or something similar to get rid of that hum? Should I search for a filtered power supply or something?? Just curious. Give 'em a listen. You should be able to hear the hum. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:59 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: MCS 3050 The MCS 3050 works well with an ordinary passive loop antenna (the kind that comes with most bookshelf stereo systems these days), but it really perks up when you use a "hard-wired" Terk AM Advantage or Select-A-Tenna tuned loop antenna! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Apr 09 10:22:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 9 Apr 2003 17:22:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 93798 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2003 17:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2003 17:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2003 17:22:41 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:22:41 -0600 Message-ID: <003601c2febc$a148e150$5401010a@AM> To: Subject: OT: TV Stereo Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:22:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang Some questions just on my curiosity list about TV stereo. How early was this attempted/tried/discussed? Were there several systems, or was there always just the one MTS system we still use today? And, since TV audio is indeed FM, will an FM tuner decode it? For instance.....you're listening at 87.9 and you can pick up audio from a TV station there. If that TV station is broadcasting in stereo, will it pop in? I know that it won't...I've tried it. I'm guessing that would be because the stereo pilot tone contains the stereo info, and the pilot for FM is at 16khz, while the pilot for TV is at 14khz or something like that, right? Say if you had a forced-stereo FM tuner (if there IS such a thing) THEN would you be able to hear the TV audio in stereo? Just curious. Like I said....this has nothing to do with anything. I was just wondering about it and have been for a while. In digital TV, is the audio as well as picture information all included in the digital signal? Or is it just the picture, and the audio is still analog being transmitted separately? I would imagine it's digital....and if so.....does the AUDIO part of digital TV have better sound and bandwidth? Is it CD quality? Or is it squashy and compressed sounding using a compression scheme (like IBOC) ? Yes I enjoy picking your brains :) Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed Apr 09 11:27:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 9 Apr 2003 18:27:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 22215 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2003 18:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2003 18:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2003 18:25:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2003 18:25:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:25:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: TV Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003601c2febc$a148e150$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1757 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Hi gang > Some questions just on my curiosity list about TV stereo. > How early was this attempted/tried/discussed? Were there several systems, or was there always just the one MTS system we still use today? Several were proposed and were outlined in Stan Prentiss' book "AM Stereo & TV Stereo, New Sound Dimensions". Most of them used a AM-SC signal for L-R like FM Stereo while the one proposed by a Japanese company used an FM sub-carrier. Most if not all of the systems used compression/expansion for L-R because of the high noise level. Dolby, CX-TV, and dbx all proposed noise reduction systems. In the end the Zenith system was chosen for the subcarrier layout along with the dbx noise reduction which used both wideband and spectral compansion. The spectral part was very much like the treble knob on a stereo. >And, since TV audio is indeed FM, will an FM tuner decode it? For >instance.....you're listening at 87.9 and you can pick up audio from >a TV station there. If that TV station is broadcasting in stereo, >will it pop in? I know that it won't...I've tried it. I'm guessing >that would be because the stereo pilot tone contains the stereo info, >and the pilot for FM is at 16khz, while the pilot for TV is at 14khz >or something like that, right? FM Stereo uses a 19KHz pilot and a 38KHz subcarrier while the TV uses horizontal frequency of 15.734KHz for the pilot and 31.468KHz for the subcarrier. I dout the PLL in the FM Stereo decoder chip will pull that far but the increase of 20% in value of the timing cap on the decoder chip would allow you to receive it. You will still need to use the proper expansion to make it sound right. JSG From bjackson@indyradio.com Wed Apr 09 13:42:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 9 Apr 2003 20:42:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 13362 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2003 20:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2003 20:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2003 20:41:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2003 20:41:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 20:41:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MCS 3050 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1130 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.218.40.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: ** snip ** > The MCS 3050 works well with an ordinary passive loop antenna (the > kind that comes with most bookshelf stereo systems these days), but it > really perks up when you use a "hard-wired" Terk AM Advantage or > Select-A-Tenna tuned loop antenna! The sensitivity and selectivity > are both fantastic; the only downside is that you have to constantly > re-tune the antenna to match the tuner's frequency; for example, if > you try to tune in 750 kHz but have the antenna set to 1200 kHz, you > won't pick up much of anything. It's like adding a "Tuned RF" front > end, the same as car radios and the GE Superadio series use. > > > I haven't tried my MCS 3050 with an outdoor "long-wire" antenna and a > good Earth ground; in a rural area with low electrical noise, that > should _really_ bring in the DX! > If you're looking for an AM Advantage or Select-a-tenna clone, it looks like Radio Shack is blowing out their Tuned AM Loop Antenna for $9.97! - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - http://www.indyradio.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Apr 09 15:14:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 9 Apr 2003 22:14:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 5751 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2003 22:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2003 22:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2003 22:14:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2003 22:14:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:14:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: TV Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3023 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > Several were proposed and were outlined in Stan Prentiss' book > "AM Stereo & TV Stereo, New Sound Dimensions". Most of them used > a AM-SC signal for L-R like FM Stereo while the one proposed > by a Japanese company used an FM sub-carrier. I suspect that in addition to the manufacturer proposed systems, the committee also analyzed every imaginable analog stereo system. I have a large hand drawn spread sheet that I got from a committee member that lists the proposed systems, plus every other system you could possibly imagine, and gives their various performance parameters, and the formula for calculating the Signal to Noise Ratio for each one. > Most if not all of > the systems used compression/expansion for L-R because of the high > noise level. Dolby, CX-TV, and dbx all proposed noise reduction > systems. In the end the Zenith system was chosen for the subcarrier > layout along with the dbx noise reduction which used both wideband > and spectral compansion. The spectral part was very much like the > treble knob on a stereo. "much like the treble knob on a stereo"? Interestingly I was duped by an eBay seller a couple of years ago when I bought what was advertised as a McMartin FM stereo generator, for my collection of FM stereo generators. When I took it out of the box after it arrived, I found that an extra BNC connector had been added on the back, labeled "horiz-drv", or something similar, and I immediately thought "uh oh", what's this? There was also a Zenith asset tag, and I quickly realized that this FM stereo generator had been modified by Zenith to serve as a broadcast television stereo generator, and the extra input was to synchronize the stereo pilot, and sub carrier, with the television scanning signals. > FM Stereo uses a 19KHz pilot and a 38KHz subcarrier while the TV > uses horizontal frequency of 15.734KHz for the pilot and 31.468KHz > for the subcarrier. I dout the PLL in the FM Stereo decoder chip > will pull that far but the increase of 20% in value of the timing > cap on the decoder chip would allow you to receive it. You will > still need to use the proper expansion to make it sound right. The US television stereo system also differs from the FM stereo system in that the "L-R" sub carrier deviation is greater than the "L+R" deviation, so the matrixing would also need to be changed, although that is perhaps academic since you must add the proper expander in the "L-R" channel anyway. The "L+R" "mono" deviation in television is plus/minus 25 kHz, as compared to 68.25 kHz for FM, and I think the "L-R" deviation is about plus/minus 50 kHz in the television system, while it is 68.25 kHz for FM. I'm not sure off hand what the pilot injection level is in the television system, but the pilot sensitivity, in addition to the pilot frequency, may also require adjustment when modifying an FM tuner to receive broadcast television stereo. John From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Apr 09 16:35:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 9 Apr 2003 23:35:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 12373 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2003 23:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2003 23:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2003 23:35:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2003 23:35:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 23:35:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-A300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > The Sony SRF-A300 definitely has AM Stereo, and Audiocube's price of > $99 for it is very good. I'm guessing the SRF-AX51V does too, since it's written in huge letters on the front of the radio. It's a no-speaker Walkman with Japanese FM and TV band (their TV band is our FM band). http://www.audiocubes.com/images/f_sony_srfax51v.jpg It's $69. Now, how about that third one--the SRF-AX15? http://www.audiocubes.com/images/f_sony_srfax15.jpg I THINK that's a little AM Stereo logo on it, but I can't tell for sure. Anyway, it's just 45 bucks and it has a speaker and TV band as well. I may just have to make me a purchase! From baansy@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 19:24:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 10 Apr 2003 02:24:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 93027 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2003 02:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2003 02:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2003 02:24:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2003 02:24:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:24:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM STEREO RADIO PROJECT Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 352 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 202.174.40.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Just letting everyone know if they don't know already that in September, October and November of 1989 the Silicon Chip magazine here in Australia published a 2 chip portable AM STEREO radio project using the Motorla 13024 chip. Copies of these issues are still available from silicon chip and the circuit board is still available from RCS Radio. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 19:32:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 10 Apr 2003 02:32:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 37407 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2003 02:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2003 02:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2003 02:32:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2003 02:32:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:32:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: good AM Stereo home tuner or portable boombox? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 645 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key What are some good AM stereo tuners? I would want an excellent AM section (and a decent FM section would be a bonus), preferably at least 8KHz audio response on AM, excellent sensitivity & selectivity, antenna inputs would be nice, CD, cassette, and turntable/phono inputs are a must. A few models I'm thinking of (but haven't made a decision yet) are: Sansui X-1130, Marantz SR-940, and Sony STR-AV570. Which of those would be the best performing unit, regardless of price? Also, what's a good AM stereo boombox? How good is Sony's CFS-6000? OR are there any with a CD player, dual cassette player, and digital AM Stereo / FM Stero tuner? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 19:46:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 10 Apr 2003 02:46:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 25776 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2003 02:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2003 02:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2003 02:46:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2003 02:46:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:46:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-A300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1288 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.143 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I THINK that's a little AM Stereo logo on it, but I can't tell for > sure. The Sony SRF-A300, SRF-AX15, and SRF-AX51V are all Japanese-model radios with AM Stereo. This line-up of AM Stereo-equipped models from Sony also included the digitially tuned SRF-M100 and SRF-SX100RV which are not currently available from the AudioCube site. Pictures of all of these models and more are available on Alex's site at: http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/amstereo.htm > Anyway, it's just 45 bucks and it has a speaker and TV band as > well. $45 is a good price for it, but keep in mind that what it calls "FM/TV" is actually just an FM band that tunes from 76 to 108 MHz. This is because in Japan, their FM radio band goes from 76 to 90 MHz, and then the first three VHF TV channels there occupy the space that the rest of the world knows as 90 to 108 MHz FM. However, at the bottom of this expanded FM dial you will hear the audio of North American TV Channel 4 at 71.75 MHz (if the dial is calibrated to go down low enough -- my SRF-A300 does), Ch.5 at 81.75 MHz, and Ch.6 at 87.75 MHz. There's also the "Land Mobile Service" band from 72 to 76 MHz in which you may hear some strange computer-modem-like sounds, which are actually transmitters for paging services. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 19:59:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 10 Apr 2003 02:59:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 95056 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2003 02:59:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2003 02:59:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2003 02:59:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2003 02:59:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:59:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: good AM Stereo home tuner or portable boombox? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1231 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.143 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > A few models I'm thinking of (but haven't made a decision yet) are: > Sansui X-1130, Marantz SR-940, and Sony STR-AV570. Sony and Sansui made some great "multi-system" AM Stereo tuners and receivers for home use, but most of them ended up in Canada and Australia, because Motorola alleged that these infringed upon their U.S. patents -- which really wasn't true; Motorola was just opposed to the widespread availability of radios which could receive the other AM Stereo systems besides theirs. Most of these are rare, but one model that is fairly common is the Sony ST-JX220A. Just make sure it has the "A" at the end of the model number, and is clearly labelled on the front panel as an "AM Stereo/FM Stereo" tuner; the plain ST-JX220 did not have AM Stereo, nor did the *U.S.* version of the ST-JX220A. Also, I'm sure you've heard me rave about the MCS 3050 tuner, and here's your chance to own a complete MCS stereo system set-up, with the 3050 AM Stereo/FM Stereo tuner as well as a matching audio amplifier (with graphic equalizer) and dual cassette deck: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3017551608 Add some good speakers and you'd have a fantastic AM Stereo-equipped home audio system! From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Apr 10 00:39:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 10 Apr 2003 07:39:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 75456 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2003 07:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2003 07:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2003 07:39:10 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.165]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:37:10 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c2ff34$6660d700$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-A300 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:40:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The only 2 radios currently in production are the SRFA300 and the SRFAX15 (with a built in mono speaker) There are some dealers in Japan that still have stock on the AX51, but is over a year that this model has been out of Sony production. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:46 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-A300 From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Apr 10 07:21:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 10 Apr 2003 14:21:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 81550 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2003 14:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2003 14:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2003 14:21:48 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:21:48 -0600 Message-ID: <003a01c2ff6c$8bbcc3f0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: good AM Stereo home tuner or portable boombox? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:21:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgot to mention that at the same thrift store where I got the MCS3050 tuner, the companion dual cassette deck MSC3059 was also there. Didn't see the amp portion of the system. I did think about it....just don't have any need or use for the cassette deck. I've got several nice cassette decks that I don't even use any more. In this day and age of CD burners.....of which I have access to one at home, one here at the station, and one at my shop......it's a lot easier to copy and/or make my own compilations on CD. MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: good AM Stereo home tuner or portable boombox? Also, I'm sure you've heard me rave about the MCS 3050 tuner, and here's your chance to own a complete MCS stereo system set-up, with the 3050 AM Stereo/FM Stereo tuner as well as a matching audio amplifier (with graphic equalizer) and dual cassette deck: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3017551608 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 09:47:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 10 Apr 2003 16:47:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 53676 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2003 16:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2003 16:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2003 16:47:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2003 16:47:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:47:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: non-working SRF-42? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I got an SRF-42 I'd like to try to repair. My father knows radio repair, but I was wondering if anyone could suggest what to look at. The AM section is dead. I can hear audio - background hiss, and pops and clicks and stuff as I tune across the band, but no stations. I used another radio to check for L.O. (local oscillator) and the SRF-42 isn't generating any. My dad thinks maybe the switch isn't working right, like maybe something's broken so the AM section isn't turning on. Anyone have any ideas as to what to look at? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 16:16:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 10 Apr 2003 23:16:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 46945 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2003 23:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2003 23:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2003 23:16:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2003 23:16:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 23:16:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1207 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 207.200.166.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics New York City station 102.7 WNEW in now transmitting the IBOC ("HD Radio") digital system -- the first FM station in the area to do so. They are mentioning it in their liners as "High Definition Radio". WNEW did test IBOC about 2 or 3 years ago, but now the level of interference from the digital sidebands seems to be much less as compared to then. In their previous tests, a loud buzzing sound was heard on adjacent channels 102.5 and 102.9, but now only a comparatively quiet "whining" sound is heard in certain conditions. I have heard it as far away as 102.4 MHz, but at my location about 30 miles away from NYC, WNEW's upper digital sideband is not loud enough to interfere with 102.9 WMGK from Philadelphia. However, it may be possible that WNEW is transmitting the digital sidebands with a lower than normal power level, due to the difficulties involved with getting it set up from their transmitter site at the top of the Empire State Building, from which dozens of other FM and TV stations also transmit. Unlike IBOC on AM, IBOC-FM has multiple configurations possible, including the use of two separate antennas to transmit the analog and digital components of the signal. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Apr 11 07:11:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 11 Apr 2003 14:11:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 74802 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2003 14:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2003 14:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2003 14:11:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2003 14:11:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:11:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo DX opportunity! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2311 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: > Here is an AM Stereo DX opportunity for those living along the > Eastern Seaboard of the USA: > > 580 CJFX 25 kw AM Stereo currently appears to have a drastically > altered signal pattern. Normally its pattern focuses northeast and > east of Antigonish, NS. Usually it thunders into Cape Breton, with > a strong secondary signal throughout western Newfoundland and > Labrador. Not right now. My sources in Cape Breton say that CJFX > is very weak there now. > From other reports I've received from around Atlantic Canada, it certainly seems that CJFX has been broadcasting in a circular pattern, even at night. Former deep nulls now have decent reception. Stong signal locations to the east and north are now only moderate. Here is the CJFX pattern coverage according to Radio Locator - these look pretty accurate, based on official contours I've seen in the past: www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat? call=CJFX&service=AM&status=F&hours=U (Likely you'll have to paste this in, as it went to two lines.) The State of Maine on the left gives a pretty good scale as to coverage. The 130 mile scale tells it like it is. If you imagine the map as a clock dial, I would be in the null at about 10:30 on the clock dial. It sure isn't acting like a null any more. The map is also a textbook example of the combination of a low spot on the AM dial, combined with salt water. The over water coverage is not as useless as one might think at first blush, given the number of people in the area that earn their livlihood from the fishery. [Don't buy into the stereotype of the poor Atlantic Canadian fisher - there are a good number of rather lovely new homes, with a new SUV and a new 4 x4 King cab 3/4 ton loaded to the gills parked out in front, and a nice modern boat, packed with hi tech gear owned by fishers. That's not to say that everyone in the fishing industry is rich, certainly not, and its very hard work and risky as well, but don't believe what you might see on CBC TV!] It sure would be hard to duplicate this coverage, even restricted to over land areas, with one FM transmitter! Imagine the number of DAB transmitters required to duplicate the over land coverage. Phil R. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Fri Apr 11 15:46:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 11 Apr 2003 22:46:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 72025 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2003 22:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2003 22:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2003 22:46:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2003 22:46:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:46:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: TV Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 407 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.59.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan > >And, since TV audio is indeed FM, will an FM tuner decode it? In the UK the BBC developed NIcam digital stereo system has been used since 1989. So although we were 5 years behind Oz and the USA in getting any stereo tv system the quality surpasses that of FM type TV sound... I believe Australia were ahead of the US in broadcasting the first stereo tv progs in the mid / early 80's ? (Ian ?) From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Fri Apr 11 15:59:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 11 Apr 2003 22:59:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 88039 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2003 22:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2003 22:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2003 22:59:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2003 22:59:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:59:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Reply from 5MU SOUTH AUSTRALIA Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 374 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.59.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "baansy" wrote: > Dear Andrew, > > Thank you for your inquiries regarding AM STEREO. > > I'll answer what questions I can - > What a good succint reply. I'm not sure many stations would bother these days in giving susch a detailed response I've a good wideband stereo rec of 5MU from 1991, quality is excellent From dav259@csiro.au Fri Apr 11 18:10:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 12 Apr 2003 01:09:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 69317 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2003 01:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2003 01:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2003 01:09:40 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3C19d701972 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:09:39 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:09:39 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: TV Stereo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Dave wrote: > I believe Australia were ahead of the US in broadcasting the first > stereo tv progs in the mid / early 80's ? > > (Ian ?) Yes Dave - at the fear of telling you more porkies I'm sure we were one of the first. :) 'Neighbours' has always been in stereo and is (well was - I haven't watched it for years) one where you actually notice it. Frankly I don't think that many people worry about TV stereo here unless they're building a theatre system - good for watching and listening to movies. Yet I'd say well over half the sets sold would be in stereo. Only the really cheap sets don't seem to have it. With my eMTech digital stb I can't pick up the decent stereo sound on Melbourne's GTV9. It's only a problem with eMTech receivers and 9 in Melbourne. To get any sound I have to press a series of buttons and manually choose the alternate soundtrack. The decent sound should be MPEG2 but I'm stuck with AC3 (I think). I rang GTV and they said it's not their fault - which is pretty strange as all the other channels are OK. And it's not my receiver as on the google digital ng all Melbourne people with eMTechs are complaining. Yet those in other states pick up 9's sound fine. It's a damn nuisance as it stops you channel surfing during the ads. btw - pretty much all Aussie prime time programming is done in widescreen and it looks sensational - especially sport and movies. The only major primetime stuff that hasn't gone widescreen are ABC-TV's news and current affairs programs - and I expect their feeble govt budget probably is the cause. It's amazing how stations can show standard 4:3 vision on widescreen still giving a widescreen feeling by using widescreen graphics. eg. when stations cross to Aussie correspondents in Iraq it's full widescreen - if they use vision from CNN, NBC, Fox, Sky, or BBC the graphics are widescreen. And BBC World actually screens here on cable in 14:9 all the time. Though the takeup rate is still slow here - I think America is getting a bit left behind. Unlike IBOC - it's a good system ... and it works. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 11 20:36:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 12 Apr 2003 03:35:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 88739 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2003 03:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2003 03:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2003 03:35:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20030412033557.46766.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.118.184.191] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:35:57 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Head out to your local Radio Shack and pick-up the AM Loop antenna for just $9.97 ! Save $20 bucks. Good news, the best product in the store for under $10, and the bad news, no more AM loops. Part #15-1853. I mangaged to find just one in my area. I had to laugh - the store manager must have asked me 3 times - "Are you sure that you want this? You know that this will only work on AM? It won't work on FM". Yep, I know, and that's why I DO want it! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Apr 12 00:37:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 12 Apr 2003 07:37:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 72213 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2003 07:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2003 07:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2003 07:37:55 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.162]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 03:35:59 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c300c6$8e3a0ec0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: TV Stereo Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 03:38:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 One of the most amazing TVs I ever owned is a Zenith "Star Guide" TV, made right before Goldstar took them over, 1996, and it has a 2 speaker surround system that simply amazes me. You keep looking behind you for speakers that are not there. I don't know the physics of why it works so well, but boy, does it! Our new 27" Toshiba flat screen also does this. Simply amazing sound. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat Apr 12 00:52:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 12 Apr 2003 07:52:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 45869 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2003 07:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2003 07:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2003 07:52:25 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030412075223.MRTJ10457.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 03:52:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 00:52:28 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: TV Stereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002b01c300c6$8e3a0ec0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Those pre-Goldstar Zeniths were great. I've always been a bit disappointed that we lost a good company, now that Zenith exists in name only and doesn't manufacture anything themselves. I had my 1992 (or so) Zenith repaired recently, even though it probably cost me more than a new TV, because I can't find one with sound as good, let alone with picture/color quality that comes close. I think mine was about the last one that was actually made in the US (Illinois). On Saturday, April 12, 2003, at 12:38 AM, Christopher Cuff wrote: > One of the most amazing TVs I ever owned is a Zenith "Star Guide" TV, > made > right before Goldstar took them over, 1996, and it has a 2 speaker > surround > system that simply amazes me. You keep looking behind you for speakers > that > are not there. I don't know the physics of why it works so well, but > boy, > does it! > Our new 27" Toshiba flat screen also does this. Simply amazing sound. > CC > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 12 00:59:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 12 Apr 2003 07:59:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 54613 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2003 07:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2003 07:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2003 07:59:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2003 07:59:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 07:59:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: TV Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002b01c300c6$8e3a0ec0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1127 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > One of the most amazing TVs I ever owned is a Zenith "Star Guide" > TV, made right before Goldstar took them over, 1996, and it has a 2 > speaker surround system that simply amazes me. You keep looking > behind you for speakers that are not there. I don't know the > physics of why it works so well, but boy, does it! I had a NEC 27" stereo TV from around 1989/1990 that had a built-in 10-watt speaker amplifier. That's one of the things you don't see in TVs anymore. Hooked up directly to a pair of good speakers -- and a second pair in the back of the room, wired across the L and R + terminals for a "surround sound" matrix effect -- it could rival the amplifier power and sound quality of any bookshelf stereo system. Unfortunately, NEC doesn't even make TV sets anymore. Along with Mitsubishi and Sony, they were one of the better brands of their time. But amazingly enough, I have an el-cheapo Goldstar VCR from 1987 that still works! It's the kind where you have to twiddle little trimmer-pots behind a door to set the channels... and also has a manual Tracking knob and *off-screen* programming. :-) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 12 01:07:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 12 Apr 2003 08:07:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 89589 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2003 08:07:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2003 08:07:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2003 08:07:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2003 08:07:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 08:07:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ford AM Stereo - Blaupunkt vs. Visteon? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 902 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics To the fellow with the 2003 Ford Focus with an AM Stereo radio, that was discussed here recently... is this the Visteon OEM radio with blue/green flourescent display, or the Blaupunkt OEM radio with LCD display? I just looked in the 2003 Focus brochure and was surprised to see Ford using factory-equipped radios made by Blaupunkt. The model with RDS and MP3 playback even has the Blaupunkt name right on it. While I know the Visteon radios do, I doubt that these have AM Stereo capability... but does anyone know for sure? Of course, the brochure doesn't mention anything about AM Stereo -- not that it did in previous years, even with the Visteon radios. But at least these Blaupunkt radios still have the European-style "double-circle" Stereo indicator for FM -- some car radios don't even have any FM Stereo indicator anymore, such as those that Volkswagen has been using since 2002. From powell@conterra.com Sat Apr 12 07:22:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 12 Apr 2003 14:22:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 10580 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2003 14:22:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2003 14:22:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ziggy.conterra.com) (66.112.206.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2003 14:22:51 -0000 Received: from ziggy.conterra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ziggy.conterra.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3CEMoq9089325 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:22:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from powell@conterra.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by ziggy.conterra.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h3CEMowY089324 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:22:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ziggy.conterra.com: www set sender to powell@conterra.com using -f Received: from nb-209-213-26-022.backroads.net (nb-209-213-26-022.backroads.net [209.213.26.22]) by ziggy.conterra.com (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:22:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1050157370.3e98213a3e2db@ziggy.conterra.com> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:22:50 -0400 To: "" Subject: Sony Receiver References: <1050151588.1765.54685.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1050151588.1765.54685.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I have in my collection of junk one of the Sony AV receivers, the one a few steps below one that says AM stereo. It is dead as far as I can tell. There was a lightning hit, and it foofed the FM input. BUT I cannot find any fuses, except the one for the accessory socket on the back. Nothing else looks blown. I have yet to find any other fuses, which I think is strange. I am about ready to send this to the trash. Any ideas? Powell ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Apr 12 09:35:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 12 Apr 2003 16:35:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 80815 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2003 16:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2003 16:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2003 16:35:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2003 16:35:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 16:35:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: TV Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1380 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: in > TVs anymore. Hooked up directly to a pair of good speakers -- and a > second pair in the back of the room, wired across the L and R + > terminals for a "surround sound" matrix effect -- it could rival the > amplifier power and sound quality of any bookshelf stereo system. > That type of wiring for rear speakers is known as Hafler matrixing. The guy invented it back in the 60s and got a patent on it I think. I have found that if you connect the + of both speakers to the + of the appropiate channels and connect the - of both speakers to each other via a 33ohm 10W resistor in series that it sets the level for good reproduction of the Dolby surround encocing of many movies. If the output effeciency of the rear speakers is greatly different that the front ones then a 50ohm 10W power pot can be used instead of a fixed resistor value. You can even add a center speaker by connecting its + to the - of both rear speakers and its - to ground. If resistors are used you will need to use 2 resistors between the - of both rear speakers so you will have a center tap for the center speaker so the L+R will be balanced. The optimum setup is to have a dual 25ohm power pot for the variable centertap and a 50ohm power pot in series with the center speaker for complete level adjustment. JSG From powell@conterra.com Sat Apr 12 12:45:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 12 Apr 2003 19:45:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 86898 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2003 19:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2003 19:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2003 19:45:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2003 19:45:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 19:45:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: TV Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 756 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I now have a 1993 Zenith that was a friend of mine's. They got a new Sanyo. The old one kept tripping off, so they got a new one. The CRT was starting to get weak. I took it to the Zenith dealer who's been repairing TV's for years, and it refused to malfunction, but he did do a restore on the CRT, which you really cannot do on the newer sets very well. It's stereo, but for me....I watch such LITTLE TV except for DX. The TV I like the best is the 7 inch 1978 Panasonic AC-DC set, and yes, I lucked out on EBay, and actually found the DC power cord. Made in 1978, a small dot pitch on the CRT and as bright as the day it was new. But alas and alac ...it doesn't do AM stereo. Powell @ WKDK ( mono on 1240) playing 70's oldies this afternoon From powell@conterra.com Sat Apr 12 12:51:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 12 Apr 2003 19:51:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 73714 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2003 19:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2003 19:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2003 19:51:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2003 19:51:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 19:51:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ford AM Stereo - Blaupunkt vs. Visteon? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1480 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > To the fellow with the 2003 Ford Focus with an AM Stereo radio, that > was discussed here recently... is this the Visteon OEM radio with > blue/green flourescent display, or the Blaupunkt OEM radio with LCD > display? > > I just looked in the 2003 Focus brochure and was surprised to see > Ford using factory-equipped radios made by Blaupunkt. The model > with RDS and MP3 playback even has the Blaupunkt name right on it. > While I know the Visteon radios do, I doubt that these have AM Stereo > capability... but does anyone know for sure? > > Of course, the brochure doesn't mention anything about AM Stereo -- > not that it did in previous years, even with the Visteon radios. > But at least these Blaupunkt radios still have the European-style > "double-circle" Stereo indicator for FM -- some car radios don't > even have any FM Stereo indicator anymore, such as those that > Volkswagen has been using since 2002. I'll go look at our Newberry Ford dealer when I come back up on Tuesday to see what the radios in there are. The Escapes have the Visteon radio, and it was no better than the radio in the 1996 Ranger I have. Only it hadn't the computer noise that's crept in the Ranger over the span of 140,000 miles or so. It's a bad ground somewhere...wherever that bad ground IS! The 88 Cutlass Ciera has the muffly radio. I do have a UX-1 to go in that place... Powell From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Apr 12 17:40:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 13 Apr 2003 00:40:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 55497 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2003 00:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2003 00:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2003 00:40:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2003 00:40:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 00:40:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ford AM Stereo - Blaupunkt vs. Visteon? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 306 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.186 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > > The 88 Cutlass Ciera has the muffly radio. I do have a UX-1 to go in > that place... Watch out, some of the UX-1's are also "muffly" radio's, although some are fine, I'm speaking from personal experience with several UX1's. John From bjackson@indyradio.com Sat Apr 12 18:06:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 13 Apr 2003 01:06:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 18872 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2003 01:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2003 01:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2003 01:06:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2003 01:06:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 01:06:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ford AM Stereo - Blaupunkt vs. Visteon? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1517 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > To the fellow with the 2003 Ford Focus with an AM Stereo radio, that > was discussed here recently... is this the Visteon OEM radio with > blue/green flourescent display, or the Blaupunkt OEM radio with LCD > display? > Kevin, That would be me. I'm going to assume it's the Visteon, because it doesn't say Blaupunkt anywhere on it...Just Ford Premium Sound on it. BUT, it does have MP3 playback on the CD Player...but I only went with the single disc. > > Of course, the brochure doesn't mention anything about AM Stereo -- > not that it did in previous years, even with the Visteon radios. > But at least these Blaupunkt radios still have the European-style > "double-circle" Stereo indicator for FM -- some car radios don't > even have any FM Stereo indicator anymore, such as those that > Volkswagen has been using since 2002. The car came with a seperate instruction manual for the radio, explaining MP3 playback, etc...And same with it...No mention of AM Stereo anywhere. I, of course, on the lookout tuned in known stereo stations on every car I test-drove ;-) The only thing the manual says at all about stereo is "Stereo broadcasts are blended to mono to reduce background noise common in less than ideal receptions" Who writes this stuff anyway??? BTW, my car has the little "ST" indicator, so I am positive it's the VIsteon model. - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - http://www.indyradio.com From michaelj@vcn.com Sat Apr 12 22:05:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 13 Apr 2003 05:05:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 97169 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2003 05:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2003 05:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2003 05:05:31 -0000 Received: from michaelj (unverified [209.193.86.73]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 23:05:31 -0600 Message-ID: <001201c3017a$5f2f9e60$4956c1d1@mshome.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: TV Stereo Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 23:05:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow! Thanks!! I had been looking for some time now for a way to do this. I too have a couple of little small speakers in the back of my living room done with this "Hafler Matrixing". Yet I've noticed that it's almost TOO loud. Our couch is in the back of the room. You end up getting a lot more "echo" than I want. I've tried different methods including a resistor and a pot, but never done it like the description here. Might have to try it! MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 10:35 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: TV Stereo I have found that if you connect the + of both speakers to the + of the appropiate channels and connect the - of both speakers to each other via a 33ohm 10W resistor in series that it sets the level for good reproduction of the Dolby surround encocing of many movies. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From powell@conterra.com Sun Apr 13 02:45:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 13 Apr 2003 09:45:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 68724 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2003 09:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2003 09:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2003 09:45:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2003 09:45:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:45:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ford AM Stereo - Blaupunkt vs. Visteon? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 495 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > > > > The 88 Cutlass Ciera has the muffly radio. I do have a UX-1 to go in > > that place... > > Watch out, some of the UX-1's are also "muffly" radio's, although some > are fine, I'm speaking from personal experience with several UX1's. > John If both channels will work I'll be happy. Right channel is almost dead in my current radio. Powell From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Apr 13 07:27:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 13 Apr 2003 14:27:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 99058 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2003 14:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2003 14:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2003 14:27:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2003 14:27:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 14:27:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: TV Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c3017a$5f2f9e60$4956c1d1@mshome.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 650 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.253 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Wow! Thanks!! > I had been looking for some time now for a way to do this. I too have a couple of little small speakers in the back of my living room done with this "Hafler Matrixing". Yet I've noticed that it's almost TOO loud. Our couch is in the back of the room. You end up getting a lot more "echo" than I want. I've tried different methods including a resistor and a pot, but never done it like the description here. Might have to try it! > I have uploaded a image for the Hafler setup for surround sound. ftp://209.193.77.58/uploads/Hafler.gif JSG From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Apr 13 12:44:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 13 Apr 2003 19:44:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 72715 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2003 19:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2003 19:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2003 19:44:34 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id r.160.1ecd8f31 (4012) for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <160.1ecd8f31.2bcb181b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:44:27 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Still, IBOC is crappy, LOW-DEFINITION RADIO. When are they going to realize that AM and FM are NOT SUITED for digital radio? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sun Apr 13 13:17:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 13 Apr 2003 20:17:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 54786 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2003 20:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2003 20:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2003 20:17:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2003 20:17:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:17:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM /NAB Demos Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <160.1ecd8f31.2bcb181b@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq I agree. I just returned from the NAB convention in Las Vegas. I listened to the demo of IBOC AM in the Harris booth and it sounded like crap with voice. I listened to IBOC FM at the Nautel booth. It trades one set of artifacts in analog FM that pisses me off for a whole new set that also pisses me off. Then I bit my lip (so hard I bled) and went by the iBiquity booth. They had an off air pickup of KXMT, the IBOC AM station in town. You could beat it with a bad .mp3. It sucked. I went back at least a half dozen times to try and convince myself that maybe it sounded good. It didn't. Oh yes, don't ask about surround sound. It wont work. So basically this system is inferior to what we have now. Why does anybody want to use it?? Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Still, IBOC is crappy, LOW-DEFINITION RADIO. When are they going to realize > that AM and FM are NOT SUITED for digital radio? > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Apr 13 13:49:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 13 Apr 2003 20:49:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 31064 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2003 20:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2003 20:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2003 20:49:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2003 20:48:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:48:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM /NAB Demos Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.209 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > I agree. I just returned from the NAB convention in Las Vegas. > I listened to the demo of IBOC AM in the Harris booth and it > sounded like crap with voice. I listened to IBOC FM at the > Nautel booth. It trades one set of artifacts in analog FM that > pisses me off for a whole new set that also pisses me off. What are the artifacts in analog FM that "pisses you off"? John From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Apr 13 16:56:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 13 Apr 2003 23:56:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 41140 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2003 23:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2003 23:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2003 23:56:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2003 23:56:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:56:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM /NAB Demos Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 307 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.67 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: =snip= > Oh yes, don't ask about surround sound. It wont work. So > basically this system is inferior to what we have now. Why > does anybody want to use it?? Because it's "DIGITAL" and everything must be "DIGITAL". Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From marcelo@radioclube.com.br Sun Apr 13 17:29:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: marcelo@radioclube.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 14 Apr 2003 00:29:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 85396 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2003 00:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2003 00:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2003 00:29:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2003 00:29:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:29:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stereo AM x IBOC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 293 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "marcelofranc" X-Originating-IP: 200.171.246.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=114404417 X-Yahoo-Profile: marcelofranc Here in Brazil the stereo AM "it gave certain", few radios had adhered due to receivers and the digital one would be an alternative pra to give to quality the transmissions AM. How much the nocturnal transmissions the FCC already reviewed the decision not to authorize for the time being? From dav259@csiro.au Sun Apr 13 19:39:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 14 Apr 2003 02:39:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 79548 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2003 02:39:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2003 02:39:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2003 02:39:29 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3E2dR707253 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:39:27 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:39:27 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM /NAB Demos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, amymousie wrote: > > Oh yes, don't ask about surround sound. It wont work. So > > why does anybody want to use it?? > > Because it's "DIGITAL" and everything must be "DIGITAL". Then we should all support and promote 'Symphony' - the DIGITAL solution to analog problems. We should not let this chance get away! I've contacted our CBA (the equivalent of the NAB) and got no response. It would seem Aussie stations simply don't care - and will wait to see what happens. And if our ABA (read FCC) is involved the answer is a big fat NOTHING! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 13 20:35:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 14 Apr 2003 03:35:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 14795 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2003 03:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2003 03:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2003 03:35:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2003 03:35:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 03:35:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM /NAB Demos Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1998 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What are the artifacts in analog FM that "pisses you off"? Carver made some wonderful FM tuners in the '80s, but the rest of us have to live with constant and annoying background hiss on weaker FM Stereo signals. Either that, or you have to live with a radio that pretty much blends all except the strongest FM signals to mono, such as the way most car radios have worked in the past decade or so. I drive in an area with lots of hills and valleys and despite having the "ST" indicator constantly illuminated, most of what I hear from my car radio on FM is mono, or perhaps Stereo with so little separation that you can't distinguish it from mono. Also, plenty of FM stations are broadcasting audio with digital compression "artifacts" in it already -- whether it be from a computerized music storage system (older ones still use 192 kbps MP2, which can barely even achieve 13 kHz of frequency response with most music!), commercials that were sent in to the station as low-bitrate MP3 or Windows Media Audio files and sound correspondingly awful on the air, or even studio-to-transmitter links that use multiple layers of digital compression, adding to the quality loss. Satellite-delivered programming is also a common culprit, with even music shows like "Delilah" being sent down the stream as 128 kbps Joint Stereo MP2, which makes even a 96 kbps MP3 file sound great in comparison. Now, imagine this as being broadcast over yet another layer of digital compression in the IBOC signal? IBOC will only have a chance of sounding "hi-fi" on FM if the station uses all perfectly "clean" analog or uncompressed digital audio sources, and of course on AM it doesn't even sound "hi-fi" even when broadcasting the direct audio of a CD player, as WOR's audio samples demonstrate. And of course the Eureka-147 DAB system suffers from the same problem, although to a lesser degree -- E-147 DAB can sound *good*, but not *great* like pure analog AM Stereo or FM Stereo. From bjackson@indyradio.com Sun Apr 13 21:26:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 14 Apr 2003 04:26:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 16179 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2003 04:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2003 04:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2003 04:26:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2003 04:26:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 04:26:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM /NAB Demos Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2786 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > What are the artifacts in analog FM that "pisses you off"? > > Carver made some wonderful FM tuners in the '80s, but the rest of us > have to live with constant and annoying background hiss on weaker > FM Stereo signals. > ** SNIP ** Yes, the TX-11a sounds fantastic on FM...Brings in stations in Stereo with very little background noise. It's a shame that no one else these days puts as much effort into their tuners anymore. Even my Pioneer Elite receiver is just OK on FM, and the AM sucks. You know it's bad when "audiophile" magazines make comments like: "As usual, the AM specs aren't listed. We made a quick pass and it's on-par with many others. Frequency response of 50-3500 +- 6db, s/n ratio of 35db" That, btw, is a quote from a review of a newer Sony ES receiver. > Also, plenty of FM stations are broadcasting audio with digital > compression "artifacts" in it already -- whether it be from a > computerized music storage system (older ones still use 192 kbps MP2, > which can barely even achieve 13 kHz of frequency response with most > music!), commercials that were sent in to the station as low- bitrate > MP3 or Windows Media Audio files and sound correspondingly awful on > the air, or even studio-to-transmitter links that use multiple layers > of digital compression, adding to the quality loss. > > Satellite-delivered programming is also a common culprit, with even > music shows like "Delilah" being sent down the stream as 128 kbps > Joint Stereo MP2, which makes even a 96 kbps MP3 file sound great in > comparison. Now, imagine this as being broadcast over yet another > layer of digital compression in the IBOC signal? > Amen to that! Despite loving our company, I *hate* our audio...And the Emmis stations here in town are even worse! All of our audio in DadPro is now PCM...BUT they just converted it to PCM from Dolby AC-2 when we did the upgrade!!! Didn't bother to re-record anything! Plus, we have the digital board, digital processing, digital STL (which again uses AC-2 compression) and a digital FM exciter. On Saturday nights, we run the oldies show "SuperGold" from the bird, and, my God, it sounds like crap...Especially when you have some of the oldies with such screwed up stereo images. Emmis here in town sounds like they could be using even less than 96 kbps MP3's. You know it's bad when you can hear the harsh digital high-end loud and clear on their mono AM station, WIBC. It's even worse when they delay a talk show using Audio Vault...I swear they must be using the lowest sampling rate possible. After all, it's just talk, right? ;-) - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - http://www.indyradio.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 09:20:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 14 Apr 2003 16:19:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 84119 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2003 16:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2003 16:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2003 16:19:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2003 16:19:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:19:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FCC addresses the IBOC "hash" issue Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 711 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The FCC has filed a "Notice of Inquiry" regarding "Interference Immunity Performance Specifications for Radio Receivers". In other words, they want to try to reduce the problem of IBOC's "hash" by forcing manufacturers to make better radios. That's something they should have done a long time ago, but in this case, even the best receivers pick up adjacent channel interference from IBOC stations, so the results of this "cart before the horse" approach may come up to naught. The write-up in PDF format may be found at: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/audio/FCC-03-54A6.pdf They are accepting filed comments, under either ET Docket 03-65 or MM Docket 00-39 (I'm not sure which, both are listed). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 09:45:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 14 Apr 2003 16:45:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 25416 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2003 16:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2003 16:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2003 16:45:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2003 16:45:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:45:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Grundig Files for Bankruptcy Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 222 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Although the quality of their radios in the past few years has not lived up to their legacy, it is still disappointing to see this German radio manufacturer go kaput: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2945815.stm From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon Apr 14 10:35:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 14 Apr 2003 17:35:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 81469 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2003 17:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2003 17:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2003 17:30:44 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030414173042.FHBC7973.fed1mtao03.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:30:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:30:42 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig Files for Bankruptcy Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Grundig's high-quality but premium-priced TVs, VCRs, radios and other > equipment was expensive to produce and uncompetitive in a market > increasingly focused on price. That's a real problem. Sure, it's nice that you can buy a decent -- for the price -- VCR, TV or radio cheaper than ever before, but if you're looking for quality, you can't find it. Everything is based on price now, as the companies have done a good job of hiding how crappy their products are. Price is EVERYTHING now. It's why Zenith is gone as a real company, it's why hardly anything from Sony is made in Japan any more, and its why you can't even get a good pizza outside of Chicago and New York. I call it the Costco-ization of America. I just didn't realize it would happen in Germany. (If it happens in Germany, it must be happening everywhere). Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rjskadl@yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 18:40:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 15 Apr 2003 01:40:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 11976 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2003 01:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2003 01:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2003 01:40:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2003 01:40:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:40:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 670 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "RJSKADL" X-Originating-IP: 24.187.99.188 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > New York City station 102.7 WNEW in now transmitting the IBOC > ("HD Radio") digital system -- the first FM station in the area to do > so. They are mentioning it in their liners as "High Definition > Radio". Don't believe everything you hear on the radio. According to a friend of mine who works for Infinity, WNEW is not broadcasting IBOC that she knows of. She did say she would ask around to find out if anything was in the works for HD on the NYC Infinity Stations. Another friend inside Infinity told me that it is probably just program imaging. We shall see soon enough. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 20:44:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 15 Apr 2003 03:44:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 224 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2003 03:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2003 03:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2003 03:44:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2003 03:44:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 03:44:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1960 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Don't believe everything you hear on the radio. According to a > friend of mine who works for Infinity, WNEW is not broadcasting > IBOC that she knows of. Alas, there are already "impostor" IBOC stations. The FCC is now officially keeping track of what AM and FM stations claim to be using IBOC in their master database, either has Hybrid or full digital. But alas, most of those which claim to be using IBOC actually are not, and in fact, quite a few of them are transmitting in good ol' C-Quam AM Stereo! Here's the list of claimed AM "IBOC" stations from the FCC database today: KCBS AM INFINITY BROADCASTING OPERATIONS, INC. KNX AM INFINITY BROADCASTING OPERATIONS, INC. KOAL AM EASTERN UTAH BROADCASTING CO. KXNT AM INFINITY RADIO OPERATIONS INC. WBZ AM INFINITY BROADCASTING OPERATIONS, INC. WCTC AM THE SENTINEL PUBLISHING CO. WJLD AM RICHARDSON BROADCASTING CORPORATION WJNA AM SOUTH FLORIDA RADIO, INC. WKAT AM SPANISH MEDIA BROADCASTING, L.L.C. WMTR AM THE SENTINEL PUBLISHING CO. WOLF AM WOLF RADIO INC. WPEN AM GREATER PHILADELPHIA RADIO, INC. WRHB AM NEW WORLD BROADCASTING, INC. WRMR AM CLEVELAND CLASSICAL RADIO, LLC WTMJ AM JOURNAL BROADCAST CORPORATION WTWZ AM WOOD BROADCASTING CO. WWJ AM INFINITY BROADCASTING OPERATIONS, INC. WWNN AM WWNN LICENSE, LLC WWTR AM THE SENTINEL PUBLISHING CO. I can personally verify as of today that out of the Greater Media group (incl. Sentinel Publishing and Greater Phila. Radio), none are transmitting IBOC, and WCTC and WPEN are using AM Stereo and sounding great with it! Also, 710 WOR is suspiciously missing from this list, as is 700 WLW, although it seems WLW is only using IBOC for "testing" purposes, as opposed to a full-scale basis like WOR and KXNT. 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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:37:14 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day, Just a quick email to let you know that ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/ is now resolving - give it a shot! Thanks MJR for hosting the server! Enjoy, Matt From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Apr 15 10:07:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 15 Apr 2003 17:07:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 8249 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2003 17:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2003 17:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2003 17:07:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2003 17:06:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:06:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM /NAB Demos Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1250 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.180 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > What are the artifacts in analog FM that "pisses you off"? > > > > Carver made some wonderful FM tuners in the '80s, but the rest > > of us have to live with constant and annoying background hiss > > on weaker FM Stereo signals. > > ** SNIP ** > > Yes, the TX-11a sounds fantastic on FM...Brings in stations in > Stereo with very little background noise. It's a shame that no one > else these days puts as much effort into their tuners anymore. It was my understanding that Carver gets its low stereo background noise by using smoke and mirrors. Is its stereo background noise any better than a comparable quality tuner in mono mode, because the Carver apparently gets its low stereo background noise by aggressive blending, followed by steering logic to restore a stereo effect. The way it was explained to me, the Carver circuit analyses the unblended noisy Left and Right channel signals to derive steering signals which are then applied to the low noise blended mono signal to create a noise free "stereo" output. That's not my idea of really great engineering. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Apr 15 10:12:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 15 Apr 2003 17:12:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 36529 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2003 17:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2003 17:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2003 17:12:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2003 17:11:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:11:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FCC addresses the IBOC "hash" issue Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1739 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.180 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g I think you are blowing the IBOC part of this "Notice of Inquiry" way out of proportion to its context. As you yourself say this inquiry is way overdue, and should have been tackled long ago. Inferior receivers result in the waste of significant amounts of the radio spectrum, a limited natural resource. The real driving force behind this "Notice of Inquiry" appears to be Cell Phones, trunked radio systems, wireless data systems, and the like. The mention of IBOC appears pretty much to be an after thought, and hardly the reason for this "Notice of Inquiry", as you would have us believe. Specifically with respect to IBOC, how is this a "cart before the horse" approach? The FCC makes attempts to assign AM broadcast stations at least 40 kHz apart in any given metropolitan area, so given a decent receiver design, IBOC should not cause serious interference, except in a limited number of cases. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > The FCC has filed a "Notice of Inquiry" regarding "Interference > Immunity Performance Specifications for Radio Receivers". In other > words, they want to try to reduce the problem of IBOC's "hash" by > forcing manufacturers to make better radios. That's something they > should have done a long time ago, but in this case, even the best > receivers pick up adjacent channel interference from IBOC stations, > so the results of this "cart before the horse" approach may come up > to naught. > > The write-up in PDF format may be found at: > > http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/audio/FCC-03-54A6.pdf > > They are accepting filed comments, under either ET Docket 03-65 or > MM Docket 00-39 (I'm not sure which, both are listed). From rwagoner1@mac.com Tue Apr 15 10:27:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 15 Apr 2003 17:27:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 73894 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2003 17:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2003 17:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2003 17:14:45 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030415171442.QAJP10457.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:14:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:14:49 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM /NAB Demos Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Even without the "smoke and mirrors" circuit turned on (and I cannot tell you if you are correct or not, as I am not an engineer), the Carver is still the most selective, noise-free FM tuner I have ever tried. I bought a TX11b for its AM section, and kept it because of the FM. It is amazing. I can pick up stations clearly on the Carver that other tuners cannot even pick up as background hiss. Richard On Tuesday, April 15, 2003, at 10:06 AM, bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" > wrote: >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." >> wrote: >>>> What are the artifacts in analog FM that "pisses you off"? >>> >>> Carver made some wonderful FM tuners in the '80s, but the rest >>> of us have to live with constant and annoying background hiss >>> on weaker FM Stereo signals. >> >> ** SNIP ** >> >> Yes, the TX-11a sounds fantastic on FM...Brings in stations in >> Stereo with very little background noise. It's a shame that no one >> else these days puts as much effort into their tuners anymore. > > It was my understanding that Carver gets its low stereo background > noise by using smoke and mirrors. Is its stereo background noise any > better than a comparable quality tuner in mono mode, because the > Carver apparently gets its low stereo background noise by aggressive > blending, followed by steering logic to restore a stereo effect. The > way it was explained to me, the Carver circuit analyses the unblended > noisy Left and Right channel signals to derive steering signals which > are then applied to the low noise blended mono signal to create a > noise free "stereo" output. That's not my idea of really great > engineering. > > John > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty > Dollars for Trying! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 11:07:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 15 Apr 2003 18:07:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 14864 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2003 18:06:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2003 18:06:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2003 18:07:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2003 18:06:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:06:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FCC addresses the IBOC "hash" issue Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1852 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Specifically with respect to IBOC, how is this a "cart before the > horse" approach? The FCC makes attempts to assign AM broadcast > stations at least 40 kHz apart in any given metropolitan area, so > given a decent receiver design, IBOC should not cause serious > interference, except in a limited number of cases. The problem is that AM doesn't have FM's "capture" effect, and many AM stations have signals whose coverage extends far beyond their city of license. Larger AM stations often get measurable ratings in Arbitron markets 50 to 75 miles away from the station's city of license -- something you rarely, if ever, experience with FM stations. For example, New York City's 660 WFAN is currently doing well enough in the Philadelphia ratings to pose a challenge for Philly's own local sports station 610 WIP -- and meanwhile, Philly- area station 640 WWJZ (Radio Disney) is on the air with a 50,000-watt daytime signal, so if either WFAN or WWJZ used IBOC, they would cause large amounts of interference to the other. There are also plenty of situations where stations 20 kHz apart on the dial are less than 20 miles apart from each other -- even if both have non-directional signals! And with directional signals, stations on *first* adjacent channels -- right next to each other on the dial -- can be found less than 50 miles apart. The FCC rules were changed in 1991 to try to prevent this, but that doesn't affect stations that were applied for before 1991, regardless of when they finally get on the air -- thus, 1040 WJHR in Flemington, NJ came on the air in *1998*, right next door to NYC's 1050 WEVD. And, even worse, in accordance with the pre-1991 rules, WJHR affords no nighttime protection whatsoever to WEVD's signal -- in fact, their 1000-watt nighttime signal is aimed due East, directly at WEVD! From rwagoner1@mac.com Tue Apr 15 11:18:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 15 Apr 2003 18:18:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 55456 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2003 18:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2003 18:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2003 18:18:07 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030415181805.LYOZ10220.fed1mtao06.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:18:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:18:12 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FCC addresses the IBOC "hash" issue Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9E766906-6F6E-11D7-9B51-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner KFI and KNX in Los Angeles both get very good ratings in the San Diego market. KNX is just 20 kHz away from 1090 which transmits just South of the border. I grew up listening to KCBQ/San Diego, on 1070 ... just 20 kHz away from KIIS at 1150. KEZY/Anaheim at 1190 is sandwiched between 1170 from San Diego and 1210 from somewhere else (can't recall right now). Those aren't DX stations in my opinion, and it would have really ticked me off if IBOC was around and did back then what it seems to do now. It would seem to me that ANYTHING that causes extra interference should not be allowed to continue. The NRSC made AM go to 10 kHz high ends to reduce interference. But, then, I am not an engineer. Richard On Tuesday, April 15, 2003, at 11:06 AM, Kevin T. wrote: >> Specifically with respect to IBOC, how is this a "cart before the >> horse" approach? The FCC makes attempts to assign AM broadcast >> stations at least 40 kHz apart in any given metropolitan area, so >> given a decent receiver design, IBOC should not cause serious >> interference, except in a limited number of cases. > > The problem is that AM doesn't have FM's "capture" effect, and many > AM stations have signals whose coverage extends far beyond their city > of license. Larger AM stations often get measurable ratings in > Arbitron markets 50 to 75 miles away from the station's city of > license -- something you rarely, if ever, experience with FM > stations. For example, New York City's 660 WFAN is currently doing > well enough in the Philadelphia ratings to pose a challenge for > Philly's own local sports station 610 WIP -- and meanwhile, Philly- > area station 640 WWJZ (Radio Disney) is on the air with a 50,000-watt > daytime signal, so if either WFAN or WWJZ used IBOC, they would cause > large amounts of interference to the other. > > There are also plenty of situations where stations 20 kHz apart on > the dial are less than 20 miles apart from each other -- even if both > have non-directional signals! And with directional signals, stations > on *first* adjacent channels -- right next to each other on the dial > -- can be found less than 50 miles apart. > > The FCC rules were changed in 1991 to try to prevent this, but that > doesn't affect stations that were applied for before 1991, regardless > of when they finally get on the air -- thus, 1040 WJHR in Flemington, > NJ came on the air in *1998*, right next door to NYC's 1050 WEVD. > And, even worse, in accordance with the pre-1991 rules, WJHR affords > no nighttime protection whatsoever to WEVD's signal -- in fact, their > 1000-watt nighttime signal is aimed due East, directly at WEVD! > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Rent DVDs Online-No late fees! Try Netflix for FREE! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/YKLNcC/oEZFAA/i5gGAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 11:27:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 15 Apr 2003 18:27:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 14857 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2003 18:27:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2003 18:27:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2003 18:27:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2003 18:27:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:27:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Carver tuners on FM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 752 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I can pick up stations clearly on the Carver that other tuners > cannot even pick up as background hiss. Carver's literature for the TX-2 and TX-11 series tuners was quite adamant in the fact that even without the "smoke and mirrors" circuit turned on, the FM reception is still superior to that of almost any other radio. I don't have one myself, but it sounds like these Carver tuners are a top choice for FM if they can combine the sensitivity and selectivity of a very good car radio, with the ability to receive weak to moderate strength signals in Stereo -- even if it isn't *true* Stereo, it still sounds better than mono (which is what most car radios provide from weaker FM signals, even when the the "ST" indicator is on). From fanfare@globility.com Tue Apr 15 12:32:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 15 Apr 2003 19:32:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 7815 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2003 19:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2003 19:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2003 19:32:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2003 19:32:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:32:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Carver tuners on FM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1884 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.226.67 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I can pick up stations clearly on the Carver that other tuners > > > > cannot even pick up as background hiss. > > > Carver's literature for the TX-2 and TX-11 series tuners was quite > adamant in the fact that even without the "smoke and mirrors" circuit If you don't mind my saying so Kevin, before you go giving out any tuner Grammies, I think you should take another look at John's post. ({AMSF} Re: 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM /NAB Demos) It appears his grasp of FM tuners and their various characteristics, especially as they appear up the scale of performance, is worth a read. Most mass produced FM tuners of the early 80's were turning to single stage tuning as an economy. It is also one of the reasons why upscale tuners and their superior performance was so easy to notice. It is also the reason why offshore designers in the latter 80's and early 90's began legitimizing their designs again. Of course, part of it too was the CEA's requirement that they move to the the new "dBf" (dB per femtowatt) sensitivity designation. Seems some mfr's were stating the spec for a 75ohm input instead of the traditional 300 ohm. I have nothing against Bob Carver's designs. IMHO as far as his success is concerned, behind many successful men, you'll find a determined woman. Carver designs were not IMO noticeably more sensitive than most other FM tuners. As for AM-stereo, that was a different story. I don't know that anyone large group of consumers knew, until this group got started, what was acceptable performance in an AM Stereo tuner. By that time, the issue was becoming moot. As for FM, or AM, cost is a significant factor in this and practically every group I've witnessed, so the field of vision has to be narrowed to fit that requirement. M.S. From rwagoner1@mac.com Tue Apr 15 12:47:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 15 Apr 2003 19:47:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 97614 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2003 19:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2003 19:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2003 19:47:15 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030415194715.SIIL7973.fed1mtao03.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:47:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:47:21 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Carver tuners on FM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <12929506-6F7B-11D7-9B51-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner He also said that it was his understanding that ..., not that he knew how the circuit worked or what it did. I reviewed tuners in everyday performance back then for my radio column. The TX11b was the best for both AM and FM of all the tuners I tested. I'm not saying it was the best available, since I didn't test every tuner available. But it was far more selective and kept stereo (even without the circuit in question) than the Denon TU680 NAB, every Yamaha of the era, and of course the cheaper models. I'd say it does deserve a tuner Grammy. Or as I call them in my radio column, a Waggy. On Tuesday, April 15, 2003, at 12:32 PM, Mr.M S wrote: > If you don't mind my saying so Kevin, before you go giving out any > tuner Grammies, I think you should take another look at John's post. > ({AMSF} Re: 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM /NAB Demos) > It appears his grasp of FM tuners and their various characteristics, > especially as they appear up the scale of performance, is worth a > read. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 15:31:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 15 Apr 2003 22:31:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 35739 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2003 22:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2003 22:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2003 22:31:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2003 22:31:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:31:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FCC addresses the IBOC "hash" issue Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9E766906-6F6E-11D7-9B51-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 498 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 207.200.161.55 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > KFI and KNX in Los Angeles both get very good ratings in the San > Diego market. KNX is just 20 kHz away from 1090 which transmits > just South of the border. I spoke with KDIS's engineer back in January when Radio Disney made the switch from 710 to 1110. They actually wanted to use IBOC on 1110 in Pasadena/L.A., but couldn't because they had an "NRSC agreement" (?) with the station on 1090 from Tijuana. So, instead, 1110 KDIS is transmitting in AM Stereo and now everybody is happy. From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Apr 15 16:35:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 15 Apr 2003 23:35:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 76764 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2003 23:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2003 23:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2003 23:35:43 -0000 Received: from storefull-2116.public.lawson.webtv.net (lawson-public-ipmux-1-pip-2.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.5]) by smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 0BE53BED1 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2116.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA02531; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:35:42 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAigEBsFCeujhu0lNxRx/3Dn1cKC0CFGZZgrYVYUL1F+UC08qTc9oJ5cbt Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:35:42 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 661 Message-ID: <21817-3E9C974E-1368@storefull-2116.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 15 Apr 2003 12:35:53 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Sorry to hear about Grundig going bankrupt. I hear from sources that Rectocon//Jensen may also of gone bankrupt. Jensen speakers were once a premier line of loud speakers. Future supplies of Jensen radios and speakers appear uncertain at this time. And their are rumors of a major line of CB Radios, scanners, etc... may be gone. Best e-mail I heard in a while- was that their plant in China was spending an entire month off to celebrate the Chinese New Year!! Must be some party!! I haven't have any scanners to sell for months, and CB's aren't doing much better. Bill S. Omaha, NE William P. Snyder Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 593-6841 I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From fanfare@globility.com Tue Apr 15 18:58:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 16 Apr 2003 01:58:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 87872 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2003 01:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2003 01:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2003 01:58:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2003 01:58:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 01:58:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Carver tuners on FM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <12929506-6F7B-11D7-9B51-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1671 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.236 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > He also said that it was his understanding that ..., not that he knew > how the circuit worked or what it did. > > I reviewed tuners in everyday performance back then for my radio > column. The TX11b was the best for both AM and FM of all the tuners I > tested. I'm not saying it was the best available, since I didn't test > every tuner available. With the greatest of respect, I would not for a moment doubt your ability to evaluate a product fairly and conscientiously. Perhaps I was led astray a while back by an errant TX11A that was being used as a translator demod. on my favorite station. Every night around 1900hrs, the signal would fade right out and we'd be left with dead air. Because it ran 24x7 and did the same thing every night, I had to suspect the unit's sensitivity. I replaced it with a unit from the company I was a principle in at the time and the problem vanished. I think each piece of equipment that survives in the narrowing, yet heavily contested tuner/receiver market, deserves commendation. This should include Yamaha T-2, the Sansui TU9900, the Onkyo T9090, Magnum Dynalab's Etude, a couple of Kenwoods and a few others that rated a mention at the time. Finally, perhaps I was a little hard-nosed on Kevin's comment re how a tuner develops its sound. And, if there is a choice between that and straight mono, or a noisy signal, perhaps simulated stereo might be satisfactory. I've been in the tuner business for some 20 years now and nothing short of binaural accuracy is satisfactory to me, or in what we build. M.S. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 23:18:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 16 Apr 2003 06:18:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 82181 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2003 06:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2003 06:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2003 06:18:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2003 06:18:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:18:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Carver tuners on FM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 840 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > if there is a choice between that and straight mono, or a noisy > signal, perhaps simulated stereo might be satisfactory. BTW, the "smoke and mirrors" you describe has been used extensively in the MP3 audio world for years. It's called "Intensity Stereo". Lower frequencies are carried through as true stereo (up to 4 kHz in MP3's case), while high frequency audio is mono-ized and then issued a direction vector to place it within the left-to-right Stereo image. Wide-separation source audio can give this scheme trouble, but usually the results are surprisingly good, and in any event are better than what you'd get if the high frequencies were simply carried through in plain mono (analogous to the "high-blend" feature of an ordinary FM tuner, or to IBOC on AM, which has no Stereo separation whatsoever above 4 kHz!). From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Apr 16 15:25:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 16 Apr 2003 22:25:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 86188 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2003 22:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2003 22:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2003 22:25:15 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C74E22E82A for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E141A01A1 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030416181703.02e7cd90@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:21:58 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT; Sunshine Superman (Stereo mix) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know ware I can get a good quality version of Donovan - Sunshine Superman (stereo)? I've got one with many mp3 artifacts from the opennap servers. And why I'm at it, does the Please Please Me album exist by the Beatles in Stereo? I've got a few tracks again from the opennap servers, but my cd copy is in mono, yuck! Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Apr 16 17:50:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 00:50:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 78156 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 00:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 00:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 00:50:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2003 00:50:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:50:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030412033557.46766.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 667 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 65.121.7.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Head out to your local Radio Shack and pick-up the AM Loop antenna for just > $9.97 ! > I had to laugh - the store manager must have asked me 3 times - "Are you sure > that you want this? You know that this will only work on AM? It won't work on > FM". Yep, I know, and that's why I DO want it! I get complaints almost every week asking why The Patriot(WWTC- 1280) signal gets weak at night (we go directional to the NE.) If they can still hear it, I send them to Rat Shack to get just that antenna. Scott Todd catching up and will probably get my new hard drive tomorrow. From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Apr 16 18:02:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 01:02:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 49897 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 01:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 01:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (207.169.189.136) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 01:02:08 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy.eds.com [192.85.216.78]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h3H126M07202 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:02:06 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3H124Y04809 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:02:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3H122q04790 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:02:03 +1000 (EST) Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <2Y7Q6ACZ>; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:02:02 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF238D840@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:02:01 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Speaking of the Radio Shack AM Loops.. can anyone help me out and pick up a couple for me? I can transfer money to you via Paypal to cover costs and shipping to Australia? We've never been able to buy them in Australia as far as I know. (or Terk's for that matter) Thanks, Matt Brisbane, Australia =) -----Original Message----- From: amstereodude [mailto:stodd@sherbtel.net] Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2003 10:50 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Head out to your local Radio Shack and pick-up the AM Loop antenna for just > $9.97 ! > I had to laugh - the store manager must have asked me 3 times - "Are you sure > that you want this? You know that this will only work on AM? It won't work on > FM". Yep, I know, and that's why I DO want it! I get complaints almost every week asking why The Patriot(WWTC- 1280) signal gets weak at night (we go directional to the NE.) If they can still hear it, I send them to Rat Shack to get just that antenna. Scott Todd catching up and will probably get my new hard drive tomorrow. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From fanfare@globility.com Wed Apr 16 19:52:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 02:52:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 89745 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 02:52:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 02:52:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.eol.ca) (205.189.151.1) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 02:52:43 -0000 Received: from MTS-XP-1 (ppp-RAS3-3-171.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.246.171]) by mail.eol.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E6B5FB9F for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200304162251250279.0074AE8B@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF238D840@aubwm206> References: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF238D840@aubwm206> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:51:25 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Marv Southcott" Reply-To: fanfare@globility.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Matthew: I know the antenna you speak of is becoming very scarce. In case it is unattainable, attached is a diagram of an antenna that appeared before me a little while ago. We are building it for evaluation now. However, initial tests show it to be very god. The key to its performance as a DX antenna is to bring the ground to the antenna. In other words, the coax should be run to the antenna and a separate wire run from the shield, at the antenna, to the ground. Good luck, Marv *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/17/2003 at 11:02 AM Trim, Matthew L wrote: >Speaking of the Radio Shack AM Loops.. can anyone help me out and pick >up a >couple for me? I can transfer money to you via Paypal to cover costs and >shipping to Australia? > >We've never been able to buy them in Australia as far as I know. (or Terk's >for that matter) > >Thanks, > >Matt >Brisbane, Australia >=) > >-----Original Message----- >From: amstereodude [mailto:stodd@sherbtel.net] >Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2003 10:50 AM >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." >wrote: >> Head out to your local Radio Shack and pick-up the AM Loop antenna >for just >> $9.97 ! > >> I had to laugh - the store manager must have asked me 3 times - > "Are you sure >> that you want this? You know that this will only work on AM? It >won't work on >> FM". Yep, I know, and that's why I DO want it! > >I get complaints almost every week asking why The Patriot(WWTC- 1280) >signal gets weak at night (we go directional to the NE.) If they can >still hear it, I send them to Rat Shack to get just that antenna. > >Scott Todd >catching up and will probably get my new hard drive tomorrow. > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Apr 16 20:51:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 03:51:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 54592 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 03:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 03:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (207.169.189.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 03:51:37 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy.eds.com [192.85.216.78]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h3H3pZM15066 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:51:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3H3pWY26298 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:51:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3H3pVq26280 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:51:31 +1000 (EST) Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <2Y7Q623B>; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:51:31 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF238D845@aubwm206> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: i1197 now streaming online - check out the Sony ST-JX430A quality ! Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:51:24 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Hi, A new AM station is on the air in Brisbane, Australia - i1197 I am unofficially streaming the off air audio from my Sony ST-JX430A - unfortunately they are not in AM Stereo at the moment but are running a very wideband signal. Click below to listen (you will need Winamp 2.9 or greater as it has the Ogg Vorbis codec included) (www.winamp.com) http://xstream1.com:8610/i1197.ogg Apologies about the low bitrate and the occasional skipping. If anyone knows where I can get a cheap notch filter to get rid of the annoying heterodynes in the background (probably 9khz) please let me know. I have seen some circuits you can build yourself - perhaps I should have a go at one of them. Cheers, Matt From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Apr 16 21:06:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 04:06:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 67324 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 04:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 04:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 04:06:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2003 04:06:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 04:06:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200304162251250279.0074AE8B@mail.globility.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 846 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.58 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Hi Marv, For those of us who aren't on the email list, and don't receive the attcahments, is the diagram of this "God" like antenna available on line anywhere? Maybe you could post a copy in the files section, if it isn't available elsewhere. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Marv Southcott" wrote: > Hi Matthew: > > I know the antenna you speak of is becoming very scarce. In case it is unattainable, attached is a diagram of an antenna that appeared before me a little while ago. We are building it for evaluation now. However, initial tests show it to be very god. > > The key to its performance as a DX antenna is to bring the ground to the antenna. In other words, the coax should be run to the antenna and a separate wire run from the shield, at the antenna, to the ground. > > Good luck, > > Marv From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Apr 16 23:38:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 06:38:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 82038 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 06:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 06:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (207.169.189.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 06:38:57 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy.eds.com [192.85.216.78]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h3H6ctM16066 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:38:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3H6crY05534 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:38:53 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3H6cpq05525 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:38:51 +1000 (EST) Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <2Y7Q6QMR>; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:38:51 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF238D846@aubwm206> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Notch Filter Designs I found - has anyone made these? Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:38:44 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 AM Audio filters http://www.geocities.com/rbrucecarter/amaudio.htm I also found some good info regarding building an AM Loop antenna http://www.mindspring.com/~loop_antenna/ Marv, do these look any good? Cheers, Matt From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 01:17:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 08:17:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 43962 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 08:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 08:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 08:17:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2003 08:17:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:17:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WFAN stereo hum? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1884 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Although 660 WFAN in New York City no longer transmits in AM Stereo, I've discovered something strange when listening to them in "forced" Stereo mode on a Sony receiver... in stereo, WFAN's signal has what appears to be harmonics of a 60 Hz hum in the L-R component, i.e. out of phase. This disappears when listening in mono. Normally I'd dismiss this as interference, but in this case things are a bit different because it's very consistent -- I hear it all the time when listening to WFAN in forced AM Stereo. Also, it is a relatively "pure" AC hum, not a kind of buzzing or crackling that is characteristic of power line noise -- and I'm using a battery-powered portable radio, so it's not being generated in the radio itself. Finally, other stations around WFAN's dial position do not have any kind of "Stereo hum" like this, including 620 WSNR, 640 WWJZ, and 710 WOR. Again, it's not audible in mono mode, and since WFAN isn't transmitting an AM Stereo pilot tone, the vast majority of listeners won't notice any kind of hum in their signal. But, could WFAN still have their C-Quam exciter in place (but with the pilot turned off), and could it be actually transmitting this hum in the otherwise unused 'stereo' L-R component of their signal? Meanwhile, I do know for certain that 1530 WJDM in Elizabeth, NJ is transmitting in C-Quam "Stereo" with the pilot tone turned off. Listening in 'forced' Stereo, their audio is noticeably tilted towards the left channel, as if they are only feeding audio to the left channel input of their C-Quam exciter, which is still active despite having its pilot tone generator turned off. (And no, I am not confusing this with Kahn PowerSide -- WJDM is not a PowerSide station, nor have they ever been, and they did previously transmit in full C-Quam Stereo with the pilot tone active until about a year ago.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 01:39:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 08:39:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 31779 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 08:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 08:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 08:39:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2003 08:39:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:39:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFAN stereo hum? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1134 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Although 660 WFAN in New York City no longer transmits in AM Stereo, > I've discovered something strange when listening to them in "forced" > Stereo mode on a Sony receiver... in stereo, WFAN's signal has what > appears to be harmonics of a 60 Hz hum in the L-R component, i.e. > out of phase. This disappears when listening in mono. =snip= > Meanwhile, I do know for certain that 1530 WJDM in Elizabeth, NJ is > transmitting in C-Quam "Stereo" with the pilot tone turned off. > Listening in 'forced' Stereo, their audio is noticeably tilted > towards the left channel, as if they are only feeding audio to the > left channel input of their C-Quam exciter, which is still active > despite having its pilot tone generator turned off. (And no, I am > not confusing this with Kahn PowerSide -- WJDM is not a PowerSide > station, nor have they ever been, and they did previously transmit > in full C-Quam Stereo with the pilot tone active until about a year > ago.) Mind uploading samples of what you're hearing? *curious* Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Apr 17 02:07:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 09:07:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 13186 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 09:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 09:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 09:07:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2003 09:07:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:07:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Notch Filter Designs I found - has anyone made these? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF238D846@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 499 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.165 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > AM Audio filters > > http://www.geocities.com/rbrucecarter/amaudio.htm > That is similar to the notch filters used in my decoder board except mine are fixed at 10KHz instead of being switchable but mine have TrimPots for fine tuning. They are high Q and provide excellent rejection without suppressing the top end. You can find the Zip file at" http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/MC13028-Decoder.zip JSG From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Apr 17 03:20:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 10:20:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 9627 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 10:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 10:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 10:20:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2003 10:20:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:20:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT : Nick Ferrari / Clive Bull on LBC 97.3 (UK) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 292 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.62.93 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Worth a listen this guy. Not your average talkback host for the UK anyway. Have a listen if you can. 9am to midday UK time weekdays Also Clive Bull at 10pm to 1am weekdays both not afaiad to speak their mind etc same with callers.. http://www.virtuetv.com/clients/crysallis/lbc_973.asx From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Apr 17 06:45:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 13:45:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 94837 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 13:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 13:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 13:44:59 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:44:59 -0600 Message-ID: <003701c304e7$941f6db0$5401010a@AM> To: Subject: Today in History Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:45:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang Just looking over my show prep for the day, and in the "this day in history" page, it lists: This day in 1979 KHJ Los Angeles becomes the first AM station to broadcast in stereo. Hmmmmmmm........is this correct? I thought that XETRA had been doing it since 1969 or something like that. I guess it depends on how ya look at it. In any case, I wonder where they get there info, or why they would say this. What do you all think? Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Apr 17 07:00:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 14:00:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 36378 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 13:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 13:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 13:58:55 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:58:55 -0600 Message-ID: <003b01c304e9$864e37f0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WFAN stereo hum? Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:59:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are several stations in the Salt Lake City area that have distortion in them when in "forced stereo" mode. Sometimes when I'm in Utah I'll bring my SRF-42 along and I notice 4 or 5 that have quite notable hum/noise/distortion when listening to them. The Radio Disney outlet (for the time being) KBEE-860 has different grades of distortion in both channels.....gives them almost a "stereo" effect when listening in forced-stereo mode. KANN 1120 has the same type of distortion and I can guarantee ya that they have NEVER been in stereo. I wouldn't rule out that a while back when they did some upgrading....probably about 10 years ago or so.....that they may have bought a new Harris transmitter that may have the c-quam exciter on it but they're not using it. Don't know. On the Radio Disney note....I think I posted something about this before, but I've confirmed it that ABC/Disney is indeed purchasing KALL-910 from ClearChannel and they'll move the Radio Disney format over to KALL once all is said and done. KALL was one of the biggest AM Stereo promoters in Salt Lake City so I guarantee you they still have the capability for stereo and hopefully ABC/Disney will use it once they move RD over there. Meanwhile there is a new station coming on the air at 820 in Salt Lake. Don't know if it'll be stereo or not. Call letters are KUTR. Back some time ago, for the years that KUTR was on the air (on other frequencies) the format was music....Utah-oriented music. So I don't know if this is what the plans for KUTR are or not, but I see the possiblity of stereo. Don't know anything at all about them or what transmitter they've bought or if the towers are even up yet. They're owned by Simmons....and Simmons is not necessarily an AM Stereo hater. They don't have any current AM Stereo stations, but they also haven't bought any and turned the stereo off or anything like that. Who knows. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 2:17 AM Subject: {AMSF} WFAN stereo hum? Although 660 WFAN in New York City no longer transmits in AM Stereo, I've discovered something strange when listening to them in "forced" Stereo mode on a Sony receiver... in stereo, WFAN's signal has what appears to be harmonics of a 60 Hz hum [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 10:07:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 17:07:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 6850 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 17:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 17:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 17:07:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2003 17:07:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:07:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Today in History Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c304e7$941f6db0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1744 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Hi gang > Just looking over my show prep for the day, and in the "this day in history" page, it lists: > > This day in 1979 KHJ Los Angeles becomes the first AM station to broadcast in stereo. > > Hmmmmmmm........is this correct? I thought that XETRA had been doing it since 1969 or something like that. I guess it depends on how ya look at it. In any case, I wonder where they get there info, or why they would say this. What do you all think? Ah, something up my mousehole... ;) XETRA was indeed doing Kahn's phased-ISB stereo from about 1968-1969, then as a Top-40 station. Why? Mr. Kahn couldn't get the FCC to allow him to use his stereo system(s) much, so he opted for an out-of-country license that would be heard in the US- Namely that it was listenable in his home as far away as Los Angeles. XETRA is still owned by Kahn, for what it's worth. It broadcast from '68-'69 to about '89-'90 continuously in ISB stereo, although completely pilotless. It was not the first, though. The first high-power, single-broadcast-channel AM stereo broadcasts were experimental affairs from stations like WNBC, WCBS, KDKA, and a couple others, around 1959, during the 1959 FCC evaluations of the day, with systems made by RCA, Westinghouse, Philco, CBS...and Kahn. The first Motorola test transmissions were in 1976; Magnavox and Harris in '77. Harris fitted about 13 stations with stereo between 1978-1980, including KFI in '78. KFI, of course, had the longest continuous AM stereo service from '78 to 2001, including the switchover from Harris to C-QUAM in early 1984. Exactly -when-, I'm not sure of. Ah, well... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alinton@iol.ie Thu Apr 17 11:20:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 18:20:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 25653 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 18:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 18:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davros) (194.165.172.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 18:19:58 -0000 Received: from Spooler by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO000096; 17 Apr 03 19:19:58 +0100 Received: from spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 17 Apr 03 07:31:45 +0100 Received: from FR1.totalbroadcast.net (192.168.0.1) by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG000095; 17 Apr 03 07:31:43 +0100 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030417072913.0168a840@fr1> X-Sender: alinton@fr1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:31:41 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT; Sunshine Superman (Stereo mix) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030416181703.02e7cd90@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 18:21 16/04/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone know ware I can get a good quality version of > >Donovan - Sunshine Superman (stereo)? >I've got one with many mp3 artifacts from the opennap servers. Well that's strange, as I tried for ages to get a decent quality version, and found that all the ones I downloaded were full of artifacts too. I then ripped it myself from a compilation CD, and that sounded bad too! I guess there is something about the mix of the original that makes it difficult to compress. But I did finally get a good quality version. Let me know if you want a copy. rgds ----------------------------------- Andy Linton Waterford, Ireland ************************************************************** Scanned by MailScan Content-Security and Anti-Virus Software. Visit http://www.mwti.net for more info on eScan and MailScan. ************************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 11:34:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 18:34:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 73734 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 18:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 18:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 18:34:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2003 18:34:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:34:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT; Sunshine Superman (Stereo mix) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030417072913.0168a840@fr1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1164 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > something about the mix of the original that makes it difficult to compress. Unusual phasing of the high frequencies, while normally unnoticeable during regular playback, can driving the "Mid/Side" or "Joint" Stereo encoding of MP3 files nuts, even at high bit-rates. In this case it is best to use plain ("discrete") Stereo encoding with a bit-rate of at least 224 kbps.... or better yet, use a superior format like Ogg Vorbis (.OGG) or MusePack (.MPC). MusePack is particularly well refined for handling these "challenging" songs... it is a variable bit-rate system which go up to well over 1000 kbps on a frame-by-frame basis if the audio content warrants it -- unlike MP3, which strictly tops out at 320 kbps. Even in a "normal" modern pop music recordings, many songs contain a few brief moments where MusePack will hit 400+ kbps in order to fully capture the sound without "artifacts" -- while still maintaining an average bitrate of about 160 to 180 kbps for the whole file. Here is the place to get MPPENC, the MusePack encoder, as well as a plug-in for WinAmp to play back MPC files: http://www.personal.uni-jena.de/~pfk/mpp/ From alinton@iol.ie Thu Apr 17 12:12:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 19:12:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 57595 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 19:12:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 19:12:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davros) (194.165.168.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 19:12:26 -0000 Received: from Spooler by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO0000E8; 17 Apr 03 20:12:26 +0100 Received: from spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 17 Apr 03 20:12:14 +0100 Received: from FR1.totalbroadcast.net (192.168.0.1) by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG0000E7; 17 Apr 03 20:12:07 +0100 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030417201203.017e62c8@fr1> X-Sender: alinton@fr1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:12:06 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT; Sunshine Superman (Stereo mix) Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 18:21 16/04/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone know ware I can get a good quality version of > >Donovan - Sunshine Superman (stereo)? >I've got one with many mp3 artifacts from the opennap servers. Well that's strange, as I tried for ages to get a decent quality version, and found that all the ones I downloaded were full of artifacts too. I then ripped it myself from a compilation CD, and that sounded bad too! I guess there is something about the mix of the original that makes it difficult to compress. But I did finally get a good quality version. Let me know if you want a copy. rgds ----------------------------------- Andy Linton Waterford, Ireland ************************************************************** Scanned by MailScan Content-Security and Anti-Virus Software. Visit http://www.mwti.net for more info on eScan and MailScan. ************************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Thu Apr 17 12:22:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 19:22:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 44184 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 19:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 19:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 19:21:18 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 48F48289618 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E051800C4 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030417150929.02ca7ca0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:10:31 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Wor new samples Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone happen to have the website for WOR's new samples? I've saved the message but can't find it any ware. Better late then never then I'll give my thoughts on the madder of improvement. Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 15:56:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 17 Apr 2003 22:56:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 1329 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 22:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2003 22:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 22:55:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2003 22:55:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 22:55:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Wor new samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030417150929.02ca7ca0@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 277 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 207.200.166.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does anyone happen to have the website for WOR's new samples? You can find them here: http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/audio_samples.htm Caution, they are very large uncompressed WAV files... if you download all four of the new samples, that's about 40 megabytes! From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Apr 17 17:05:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 00:05:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 94240 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 00:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 00:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 00:05:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2003 00:05:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 00:05:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Wor new samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1062 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.124 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Does anyone happen to have the website for WOR's new samples? > > You can find them here: > > http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/audio_samples.htm > > Caution, they are very large uncompressed WAV files... if you > download all four of the new samples, that's about 40 megabytes! If you use linux/unix then use 'wget' and you can download one after the other from a que. Load up the que and walk off and let it download. There is a Windoze port available at: http://www.interlog.com/~tcharron/wgetwin.html To use it make a batch file or script depending which OS you use and run it with the following entries: wget http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/Audio/faith03.wav wget http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/Audio/frank03.wav wget http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/Audio/chicago03.wav wget http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/Audio/4non03.wav These are for the digital samples. If you wnat the Analog ones then get the links from WOR's page. JSG From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Thu Apr 17 18:19:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 01:19:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 97962 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 01:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 01:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 01:19:04 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A8EC289630 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 01:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA11D1A015E for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 01:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030417211413.02c774b0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:15:46 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Wor new samples In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030417150929.02ca7ca0@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No worries. I've got three 40 GB hard drives in this thing. No worry about room. At 10:55 PM 4/17/03 +0000, you wrote: >> Does anyone happen to have the website for WOR's new samples? > >You can find them here: > >http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/audio_samples.htm > >Caution, they are very large uncompressed WAV files... if you >download all four of the new samples, that's about 40 megabytes! > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 20:34:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 03:34:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 27040 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 03:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 03:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 03:34:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2003 03:34:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 03:34:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Wor new samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030417211413.02c774b0@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1366 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > No worries. > I've got three 40 GB hard drives in this thing. > No worry about room. I was thinking more about download time. On a "56K" or (gasp!) 28.8 modem, that would take at least several hours... although with the built-in data compression that modems use, you'd get a higher transfer rate, because WAV audio is uncompressed, and thus can be put through a data compression scheme with good results... unlike MP3 files, which are already highly compressed and thus you really can't squeeze them down to a smaller size or higher data transfer rate. But, hey... I started out using a 300 baud modem on an Atari 1200XL computer. While exploring the world of BBSes (do they even exist anymore!??), I never needed a 'pause' key, because the text would scroll slowly enough that I could keep up in reading it. 2400 baud on a PC seemed luxurious in comparison, especially while using an early DOS-based verion of AOL, circa 1994! (And thankfully that is the *last* time I was an AOL user... I switched to CompuServe in 1995, and I've been with them ever since.) Which reminds me... I believe Mr. Richards said the master control link between the WOR studios and their IBOC exciter is over a 300 baud modem on an ordinary phone line. This is the data link that issues the command for the IBOC to turn on at sunrise and off at sunset every day. From fanfare@globility.com Fri Apr 18 06:29:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 13:29:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 77398 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 13:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 13:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 13:29:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2003 13:29:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:29:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 683 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > Hi Marv, > > For those of us who aren't on the email list, and don't receive the > attcahments, is the diagram of this "God" like antenna available on > line anywhere? . However, initial tests show it to be very god. > > The design I seak of is available at the following URL http://beradio.com/ar/radio_shieldedloop_am_antenna/index.htm If you do a search on "am antenna" on that site you'll also come up with a variation on the above design which uses a hula hoop as a form. As for the design being "god" -like" John, if it were true, wouldn't that rate at least a capital? ;-)). M.S. From rwagoner1@mac.com Fri Apr 18 09:11:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 16:11:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 74798 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 16:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 16:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 16:11:29 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030418161127.KTRB10818.fed1mtao03.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:11:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:11:28 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <690003A5-71B8-11D7-9FC6-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I bought the antenna and found it does improve reception. I was able to get a small San Diego station relatively cleanly during the day; before hand using a home-made loop the station was unlistenable. However, -- and keep in mind the stupidity of the question lies in my non-engineering background -- does/can the antenna act to reduce the bandwidth of the signal? My TX11b seems to have fewer high frequencies than when I use my old loop. Is that even possible? Richard From fanfare@globility.com Fri Apr 18 09:42:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 16:42:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 81561 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 16:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 16:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 16:42:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2003 16:42:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:42:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1387 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.210 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > http://beradio.com/ar/radio_shieldedloop_am_antenna/index.htm > > If you do a search on "am antenna" on that site you'll also come up > with a variation on the above design which uses a hula hoop as a form. > If I may add, one of the most difficult aspects of AM reception is utilizing a good ground. In the case of the loop antenna, and assuming your receiver's ground is not of the 'floating' variety, you would want the ground to be taken right at the antenna. In other words, connect the ground wire to the coax shield near the antenna connection and run that wire to a good earth ground. If you're looking for simplicity and a rain gutter is available, you can try what has been proven quite useful during the Omega tests. If you live in a house that has a rain gutter, drive a ground rod into the soil near the downspout where it is shady. If a well grounded water tap is nearby, that might be adequate also. If the downspout dumps at ground level, instead of into a storm drain, you have the added advantage of the rainfall keeping the ground nice and moist. Connect the center conductor of the coax to the raingutter's downspout, and the shield to the ground rod. The latest KABL 'off-air' samples I'm going to submit later this weekend all used that antenna configuration. M.S. From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Apr 18 10:05:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 17:05:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 8943 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 17:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 17:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 17:05:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2003 17:05:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:05:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <690003A5-71B8-11D7-9FC6-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1625 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I bought the antenna and found it does improve reception. I was able > to get a small San Diego station relatively cleanly during the day; > before hand using a home-made loop the station was unlistenable. > However, -- and keep in mind the stupidity of the question lies in > my non-engineering background -- does/can the antenna act to reduce > the bandwidth of the signal? My TX11b seems to have fewer high > frequencies than when I use my old loop. Is that even possible? If the "Fantastic Loop" is a tuned loop, then not only can it reduce the bandwidth of the signal, but it will reduce the band width of the signal. I noticed this effect when using a "Select-Tenna" (SP?) with my TX11a, actually it's the whole reason I tried the "Select-Tenna" with the TX11a. The TX11a has a SNR problem using the stock antenna, and a serious 3rd order IM problem in the front-end when you feed it more signal to overcome the noise. The "Select-Tenna" eliminated the 3rd order IM problem while providing a greater enough signal to overcome the noise inherent in the TX11a. It also provided more pleasing audio, as the TX11a does not offer a deemphasis setting suitable for modern broadcasts, the choice being no deemphasis, or too much deemphasis. I understand that this is the difference in the TX11b, that the deemphasis in the TX11b is designed for modern AM audio, so the added hf rolloff provided by the tuned loop may result in unacceptably dull audio, sort of like the TX11a with its heavy deemphasis engaged. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Apr 18 10:12:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 17:12:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 57893 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 17:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 17:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 17:12:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2003 17:12:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:12:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 821 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > > If I may add, one of the most difficult aspects of AM reception is > utilizing a good ground. > > In the case of the loop antenna, and assuming your receiver's ground > is not of the 'floating' variety, you would want the ground to be > taken right at the antenna. In other words, connect the ground wire > to the coax shield near the antenna connection and run that wire to > a good earth ground. An earth ground shouldn't be necessary for the proper operation of a loop antenna of this sort. I do hear reports that a ground can affect the performance of a loop antenna, but if this is due to enhancing the "antenna effect" of this sort of unbalanced loop, the effect could just as easily be negative as it could be positive. John From fanfare@globility.com Fri Apr 18 11:37:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 18:37:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 9757 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 18:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 18:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 18:37:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2003 18:37:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:37:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 640 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.210 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > to the coax shield near the antenna connection and run that wire to > > a good earth ground. > > An earth ground shouldn't be necessary for the proper operation of a > loop antenna Interesting argument John. However, when you use the word "shouldn't", does that mean no one should bother trying it? Personally, I'd try it, as I have, and then make a judgement. If anyone is looking for more definitive information on the use of grounding might find the following URL insightful. http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx/antenna/ground/index.html From fanfare@globility.com Fri Apr 18 11:47:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 18:47:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 34888 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 18:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 18:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 18:47:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2003 18:47:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:47:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 605 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.210 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > much deemphasis. I understand that this is the difference in the > TX11b, that the deemphasis in the TX11b is designed for modern AM > audio, so the added hf rolloff provided by the tuned loop may result > in unacceptably dull audio, sort of like the TX11a with its heavy > deemphasis engaged. I think John is way too modest, Richard. I'd suggest you read the string he published on that very subject at http://www.midnightscience.com/_web/000003be.htm some 3+ years ago. Was very interesting ... nice piece John. M.S. From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Apr 18 12:56:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 19:56:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 2735 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 19:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 19:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 19:56:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2003 19:56:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:56:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2022 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > > The design I seak of is available at the following URL > > http://beradio.com/ar/radio_shieldedloop_am_antenna/index.htm > > If you do a search on "am antenna" on that site you'll also come > up with a variation on the above design which uses a hula hoop as > a form. Hi Marv, Thanks for the link. I once built a similar loop for the Carver TX11a I had at the time. My loop differed in that instead of using 7 feet of "three-pair foil shielded audio cable", I used 20 feet of single- pair foil shielded audio cable", but lets call it 21 feet for the sake of argument, giving us the same total length of wire in the antenna. This three times increase in the linear dimensions of the loop increases the area by a factor of nine, and results in a similar increase in the voltage output from the antenna. The reduction in the number of turns in the antenna to only two cuts the output voltage down to a third of what it would be with six turns, but between the area increase, and the turns reduction, there is a net increase of three times in the output of the loop. Unfortunately, while this solved the noise problem with my TX11a, it was too much for the TX11a, as it caused a third order IM problem in the TX11a's aperiodic front end to rear its ugly head. Ultimately I had to use a tuned loop to increase the signal, and decrease the noise, without provoking the third order IM problem of the TX11a. The tuned loop was a pain though, because it required a separate tuning adjustment, in addition to tuning the radio. This type of untuned loop will only work with radios designed for low impedance loops, and if the radio uses a tuned antenna circuit it may need to be readjusted to match actual loop being used. I like the hula hoop idea, that's an idea I have been spining around for years, but I didn't think you could still buy new hula hoops, and thought I would have to look for one at garage sales. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Apr 18 13:07:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 20:07:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 26083 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 20:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 20:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 20:07:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2003 20:07:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:07:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1396 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > to the coax shield near the antenna connection and run that wire > > > to a good earth ground. > > > > An earth ground shouldn't be necessary for the proper operation of > > a loop antenna > > Interesting argument John. However, when you use the > word "shouldn't", does that mean no one should bother trying it? > Personally, I'd try it, as I have, and then make a judgement. > > If anyone is looking for more definitive information on the use of > grounding might find the following URL insightful. > > http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx/antenna/ground/index.html "Shouldn't" means that they should try a ground and see what happens. These loops are flawed in that they are not balanced, and so exibit the "antenna effect", which will be influenced by a ground connection. I don't know if the shielding scheme used in this design is fully effective in eliminating the "antenna effect" of the unbalanced loop, or not, I have seen claims that it doesn't. While I haven't tried it myself, I have also heard claims that mounting the loop on top of a ground plane will help its performance. The Famous Heathkit BC-1A High Fidelity AM tuner used a similar shielded loop antenna made from shielded audio cable. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Apr 18 13:15:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 20:15:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 31771 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 20:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 20:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 20:15:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2003 20:15:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:15:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1254 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > much deemphasis. I understand that this is the difference in the > > TX11b, that the deemphasis in the TX11b is designed for modern AM > > audio, so the added hf rolloff provided by the tuned loop may > result > > in unacceptably dull audio, sort of like the TX11a with its heavy > > deemphasis engaged. > > > I think John is way too modest, Richard. I'd suggest you read the > string he published on that very subject at > > http://www.midnightscience.com/_web/000003be.htm > > some 3+ years ago. Was very interesting ... nice piece John. Well thank you Marv, but I just pulled that piece up, and without reading it I see I made a serious blunder in writing it. The post refers to the TX11b tuner, when the tuner I was talking about was the TX11a. As I no longer owned my TX11a, I had become confused by the model numbers. It may or may not make a difference, the AM front end of the TX11a and TX11b may very well be identical, in which case my comments also apply to the TX11b as well as the TX11a, but the references in the article should refer to the TX11a, not the TX11b. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Apr 18 13:32:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 20:32:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 57512 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 20:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 20:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 20:32:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2003 20:32:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:32:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 855 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > much deemphasis. I understand that this is the difference in the > > TX11b, that the deemphasis in the TX11b is designed for modern AM > > audio, so the added hf rolloff provided by the tuned loop may > > result in unacceptably dull audio, sort of like the TX11a with its > > heavy deemphasis engaged. > > > I think John is way too modest, Richard. I'd suggest you read the > string he published on that very subject at > > http://www.midnightscience.com/_web/000003be.htm > > some 3+ years ago. Was very interesting ... nice piece John. I wonder if the "rwagoner" whose now defunct web site is referenced in the message I was responding to three years ago is none other than "Richard"? John From rwagoner1@mac.com Fri Apr 18 13:35:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 20:35:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 18360 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 20:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 20:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 20:35:24 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030418203523.NGNY1983.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:35:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:35:18 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <446F66FC-71DD-11D7-9FC6-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner It is indeed very informative. Ironic, though ... the URL for the "ultimate AM antenna" from Carver (the beginning of the thread) was a link to my old web site URL. On Friday, April 18, 2003, at 11:47 AM, Mr.M S wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: >> much deemphasis. I understand that this is the difference in the >> TX11b, that the deemphasis in the TX11b is designed for modern AM >> audio, so the added hf rolloff provided by the tuned loop may > result >> in unacceptably dull audio, sort of like the TX11a with its heavy >> deemphasis engaged. > > > I think John is way too modest, Richard. I'd suggest you read the > string he published on that very subject at > > http://www.midnightscience.com/_web/000003be.htm > > some 3+ years ago. Was very interesting ... nice piece John. > > M.S. > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Make Money Online Auctions! 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Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Fri Apr 18 15:08:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 22:08:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 93442 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 22:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 22:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 22:08:06 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BBE3D30C40B for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E1E1800B7 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030418180150.02561410@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:04:29 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Stereo oldies now available Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. on WinMX, I'm connected to all of the opennap servers and the WinMX Pere Network. My user name there is: JH_Radio9261982 I've got plenty of stereo oldies and will be hanging out there for a while. Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Fri Apr 18 15:26:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 22:26:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 18760 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 22:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 22:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 22:26:01 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C6CA630C78B for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208881800D0 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030418181444.0253e0b0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:16:35 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Stereo oldies now available In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030418180150.02561410@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to let you know that while not all the songs have stereo in the song title, they are in folders called Stereo Mixes CD1, Stereo Mixes CD 2, and Stereo Mixes CD 3. Hope this helps. At 06:04 PM 4/18/03 -0400, you wrote: >Hi. >on WinMX, I'm connected to all of the opennap servers and the WinMX Pere Network. >My user name there is: >JH_Radio9261982 >I've got plenty of stereo oldies and will be hanging out there for a while. > > > >Love in Christ: > >John > >Bensalem, PA > >Send me an email > >Aim: RainAngelsRule > >MSN: > >RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com > >My website > >Welcome to Napster4TheBlind > >"Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Apr 18 15:30:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 22:30:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 58301 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 22:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 22:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 22:30:27 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.73]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:30:27 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT: Stereo oldies now available Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:30:06 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030418181444.0253e0b0@pop.GameBox.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Arg! John, are ya ever on in the mornings? When I'm at work at the radio station, I have WinMX there and we have a T1.....so it'd be a lot faster. I'm up there monday thru friday mornings from 7am to 11am mountain time. Here at my computer shop I'm on modem right now. As much into stereo as I am, I'd LOVE to see your collection and some of your goodies. I listened to my MP3 copy of "Sunshine Superman" today as well, and sure enough it's LOADED with compression artifacts. don't know what it is about that song! Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: John [mailto:JH_Radio@GameBox.net] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 4:17 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Stereo oldies now available Just to let you know that while not all the songs have stereo in the song title, they are in folders called Stereo Mixes CD1, Stereo Mixes CD 2, and Stereo Mixes CD 3. Hope this helps. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Apr 18 17:51:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41145 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 00:50:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 00:50:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 00:51:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 00:50:20 -0000 Date: 19 Apr 2003 00:50:18 -0000 Message-ID: <1050713418.18826.47577.w27@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /RS-AM-ant.pdf Uploaded by : amfmguy Description : Pop. Comm review of Radio Shack AM Antenna - You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/RS-AM-ant.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, amfmguy From fanfare@globility.com Fri Apr 18 17:56:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 00:56:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 70238 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 00:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 00:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 00:56:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 00:56:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:56:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The radio Shack AM Antenna Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 284 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy For all who have expressed an interest in the Radio Shack AM antenna, I have just uploaded a review that appeared in Popular Communications a while ago. It's in PDF and weighs about 260K. I expect it to be the first file turfed when Kevin begins looking for more file space. M.S. From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Fri Apr 18 19:55:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 02:55:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 69571 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 02:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 02:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 02:55:25 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9346D2108DF for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17EC018007A for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030418225027.02536cb0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:50:51 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo Oldies Now Available Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I can leave it up for ya though I'll be at school, it's my computer. No one touches it, and you can download to your heart content. It's still up now, but I'll probably have it closed before monday. But I'll open WinMX Easter Sunday night before I go to sleep, and will be on the open nap servers. Perhaps you've got some stuff that I don't have, or better yet AM Stereo unscoped airchecs, since I do not have an AM Stereo Radio yet. At 04:30 PM 4/18/03 -0600, you wrote: >Arg! John, are ya ever on in the mornings? When I'm at work at the radio >station, I have WinMX there and we have a T1.....so it'd be a lot faster. >I'm up there monday thru friday mornings from 7am to 11am mountain time. >Here at my computer shop I'm on modem right now. As much into stereo as I >am, I'd LOVE to see your collection and some of your goodies. > >I listened to my MP3 copy of "Sunshine Superman" today as well, and sure >enough it's LOADED with compression artifacts. don't know what it is about >that song! > >Michael n WYO > -----Original Message----- > From: John [mailto:JH_Radio@GameBox.net] > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 4:17 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Stereo oldies now available > > > Just to let you know that while not all the songs have stereo in the song >title, they are in folders called Stereo Mixes CD1, Stereo Mixes CD 2, and >Stereo Mixes CD 3. > Hope this helps. > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 20:41:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 03:40:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 20338 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 03:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 03:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 03:40:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20030419034058.61897.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.35.87] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:40:58 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Keeping the ball rollin To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Gang, what can we do to further analog stereo AM radio? It's obvious that Marv's Omega reception system on the AM MW band is the 'second coming of analog radio', but will the pro-digital artifact-heads wait long enough to hear this high quality analog AM Stereo? I'd even bet money that Leonard Kahn and his new analog hybrid AM stereo system is half-way decent, as it doesn't widen the bandwidth and trash adjacent stations up and down the band as does what I hear daily on WOWO. What can WE do to encourage the CQuam folks to 'stay the course' and some of the majors to give a try to the Omega and/or Kahn AM systems? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Apr 18 21:57:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 04:57:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 65372 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 04:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 04:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 04:57:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 04:57:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 04:57:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Keeping the ball rollin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030419034058.61897.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 583 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > What can WE do to encourage the CQuam folks to 'stay the course' and > some of the majors to give a try to the Omega and/or Kahn AM > systems? I know what the Kahn AM stereo system is, in a general sense at least, but what is the "Omega" AM system? Is it even legal for the "majors" to try the Kahn or Omega AM systems at this point, I thought C-Quam was the law of the land for Analog AM stereo systems, and of course "HD Radio" is coming on strong for Digital AM stereo operation. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 22:21:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 05:21:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 44489 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 05:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 05:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 05:21:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 05:21:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 05:21:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Keeping the ball rollin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 770 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > but what is the "Omega" AM system? It is a receiver-based design found in Fanfare's FTA-100P tuner which works with regular analog AM mono and C-Quam Stereo signals. I'm not sure of the exact details of how it works its magic, but it was developed by Omega Reception Technologies (ORT) and meets the "AMAX" performance specifications. In the Files section of this group (in the "mp3-usa" directory) there is an audio sample of the Fanfare tuner receiving 960 KABL in Stereo. According to Marv, it was recorded during the daytime at a distance of about 78 miles away from KABL's transmitter, in the Santa Monica area. Despite that distance, the Fanfare/ORT tuner provides clean, clear reception in full Stereo with virtually no background noise or hiss. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 03:46:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 10:46:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 98995 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 10:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 10:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 10:46:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 10:46:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:46:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Keeping the ball rollin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1153 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.76 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > but what is the "Omega" AM system? > > It is a receiver-based design found in Fanfare's FTA-100P tuner which > works with regular analog AM mono and C-Quam Stereo signals. I'm not > sure of the exact details of how it works its magic, but it was > developed by Omega Reception Technologies (ORT) and meets the "AMAX" > performance specifications. Probably like Motorola's Symphony... > In the Files section of this group (in the "mp3-usa" directory) there > is an audio sample of the Fanfare tuner receiving 960 KABL in Stereo. > According to Marv, it was recorded during the daytime at a distance > of about 78 miles away from KABL's transmitter, in the Santa Monica > area. Despite that distance, the Fanfare/ORT tuner provides clean, > clear reception in full Stereo with virtually no background noise or > hiss. Um, er... Santa Monica's a good 300 miles or so south of KABL's tower... :) KABL is in San Francisco, and its tower, like for many stations there, is just south of the city, in San Mateo County. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (West coast mousie.) From fanfare@globility.com Sat Apr 19 05:45:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 12:45:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 19830 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 12:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 12:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.eol.ca) (205.189.151.1) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 12:45:03 -0000 Received: from MTS-XP-1 (ppp-RAS3-4-101.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.247.101]) by mail.eol.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BF044B1C for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 08:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200304190845010045.00262429@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 08:45:01 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Keeping the ball rollin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Marv Southcott" Reply-To: fanfare@globility.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy At this point in time, the Omega system that Fanfare is involved in has not= hing whatever to do with transmission and everything to do with reception. = Therefore it is fully removed from the Kahn initiative. Although, it could = be easily adapted to any modulation system in use, anywhere. To clarify Kevin's comments, the Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM(C-Quam) tuner is, te= chnologically, where AM stereo should have been, had there been sustained s= upport. It has Omega involvement at the rf input stage. That involvement wi= ll increase in the next incarnation. I believe in value-added design, which= means anything we do to improve the design, short of it requiring a major = re-design, will be retrofittable.=20 Yes, in the context of this group's interests, the FTA-100 is a bit expensi= ve. But, as a pro gear in a broadcast monitor rack, it pays for itself eve= ry day. At least that's what I hear from Fox News. Not too long from now, you'll be treated to radio reception that will truly= establish a new paradigm. In other words, it will straighten the road to d= istant stations, not just throw some new pavement on an old highway. M.S. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/19/2003 at 4:57 AM bta_50g wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 >wrote: >>=20 >> What can WE do to encourage the CQuam folks to 'stay the course' and=20 >> some of the majors to give a try to the Omega and/or Kahn AM=20 >> systems?=20 > > >I know what the Kahn AM stereo system is, in a general sense at least,=20 >but what is the "Omega" AM system? Is it even legal for the "majors"=20 >to try the Kahn or Omega AM systems at this point, I thought C-Quam=20 >was the law of the land for Analog AM stereo systems, and of course=20 >"HD Radio" is coming on strong for Digital AM stereo operation. > >John > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From fanfare@globility.com Sat Apr 19 06:10:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 13:10:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 32199 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 13:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 13:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.eol.ca) (205.189.151.1) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 13:10:40 -0000 Received: from MTS-XP-1 (ppp-RAS3-4-101.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.247.101]) by mail.eol.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E254454F for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200304190910380936.003D9B8B@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:10:38 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Keeping the ball rollin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Marv Southcott" Reply-To: fanfare@globility.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy On 4/19/2003 at 10:46 AM amymousie wrote: >> > but what is the "Omega" AM system? >Probably like Motorola's Symphony... With respect Amy, no one here has really seen or heard either. However, I c= an tell you that it does not resemble the Symphony system. >> In the Files section of this group (in the "mp3-usa" directory)=20 >there=20 >> is an audio sample of the Fanfare tuner receiving 960 KABL in=20 >Stereo.=20 78 miles away from KABL's transmitter, in the Santa Monica=20 >> area. Despite that distance, the Fanfare/ORT tuner provides clean,=20 >> clear reception in full Stereo with virtually no background noise=20 >>or hiss. > >Um, er... Santa Monica's a good 300 miles or so south of KABL's=20 >tower... :) KABL is in San Francisco, and its tower, like for many=20 >stations there, is just south of the city, in San Mateo County. > If anyone knows CA, it should be our "West Coast Mousie". In fact, the rece= ption site, in the Santa Rosa area, would be a little south of her "20". = =20 From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Apr 19 06:14:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 13:14:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 7163 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 13:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 13:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 13:14:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 13:14:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:14:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Keeping the ball rollin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200304190845010045.00262429@mail.globility.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1646 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Marv Southcott" wrote: > At this point in time, the Omega system that Fanfare is involved in > has nothing whatever to do with transmission and everything to do > with reception. Therefore it is fully removed from the Kahn > initiative. Although, it could be easily adapted to any modulation > system in use, anywhere. > > To clarify Kevin's comments, the Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM(C-Quam) tuner > is, technologically, where AM stereo should have been, had there > been sustained support. It has Omega involvement at the rf input > stage. That involvement will increase in the next incarnation. I > believe in value-added design, which means anything we do to improve > the design, short of it requiring a major re-design, will be > retrofittable. > > Yes, in the context of this group's interests, the FTA-100 is a bit > expensive. But, as a pro gear in a broadcast monitor rack, it pays > for itself every day. At least that's what I hear from Fox News. > > Not too long from now, you'll be treated to radio reception that > will truly establish a new paradigm. In other words, it will > straighten the road to distant stations, not just throw some new > pavement on an old highway. After reading the above, why do I get the feeling that I have just eaten a bunch of empty calories? Based on what you say, it sounds like this "Omega" system is the work of the marketing department, and not the engineering department. Is there actually a technology here, or just slogans? If the "Omega" system is a technology, is it actually a new technology, and what is the technology? John From fanfare@globility.com Sat Apr 19 06:59:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 13:59:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 6770 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 13:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 13:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 13:59:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 13:59:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:59:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Keeping the ball rollin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1127 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > After reading the above, why do I get the feeling that I have just > eaten a bunch of empty calories? Based on what you say, it sounds > like this "Omega" system is the work of the marketing department, and > not the engineering department. Is there actually a technology here, > or just slogans? If the "Omega" system is a technology, is it > actually a new technology, and what is the technology? I'm wondering John, if it were your design, and you were in final stages of patent registration, what might your answer be if I posed the same question to you? :-)) For any further information, you have my previous posts to refer to. If your response is that I started it all, you'd be right, but that's all. I joined the group as having a vested interest in AM stereo. That's what the Fanfare FTA-100, FM/AM Stereo tuner is all about. As for the Omega design, it will debut in its own time. However, like I said a while back, I would not expect to see the schematic in Popular Electronics, or anywhere else for that matter. M.S. From fanfare@globility.com Sat Apr 19 07:00:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 14:00:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 15718 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 14:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 14:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 14:00:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 13:59:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:59:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Keeping the ball rollin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1127 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > After reading the above, why do I get the feeling that I have just > eaten a bunch of empty calories? Based on what you say, it sounds > like this "Omega" system is the work of the marketing department, and > not the engineering department. Is there actually a technology here, > or just slogans? If the "Omega" system is a technology, is it > actually a new technology, and what is the technology? I'm wondering John, if it were your design, and you were in final stages of patent registration, what might your answer be if I posed the same question to you? :-)) For any further information, you have my previous posts to refer to. If your response is that I started it all, you'd be right, but that's all. I joined the group as having a vested interest in AM stereo. That's what the Fanfare FTA-100, FM/AM Stereo tuner is all about. As for the Omega design, it will debut in its own time. However, like I said a while back, I would not expect to see the schematic in Popular Electronics, or anywhere else for that matter. M.S. From fanfare@globility.com Sat Apr 19 08:01:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 15:01:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 92348 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 15:01:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 15:01:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 15:01:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 15:01:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:01:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Keeping the ball rollin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200304190910380936.003D9B8B@mail.globility.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 633 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Marv Southcott" wrote: > > On 4/19/2003 at 10:46 AM amymousie wrote: > > >> > but what is the "Omega" AM system? > > >Probably like Motorola's Symphony... > > With respect Amy, no one here has really seen or heard either. However, I can tell you that it does not resemble the Symphony system. I case anyone picks up on this, I meant that no one here has heard either the Omega or the Symphony system actually playing, from a radio, in their presence. The MP3's I have uploaded are attested to by myself as reception of KABL from the location stated. That's all. M.S. From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Apr 19 10:56:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 17:56:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 70450 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 17:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 17:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 17:56:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 17:56:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 17:56:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Keeping the ball rollin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2338 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.244 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > > I'm wondering John, if it were your design, and you were in final > stages of patent registration, what might your answer be if I posed > the same question to you? :-)) For any further information, you > have my previous posts to refer to. Your previous posts on the subject are content free. You certainly have the right not to talk about your design, but to answer your question, If it were my design I would not drag the patent process into the discussion as a red haring, if I didn't want to talk about it at this point I would simply say so, rather than trying to hype the product without even saying what it is good for, and why someone might want it. Could you explain what being "in final stages of patent registration" has to do with the issue? If you are really "in final stages of patent registration", especially if you have also filed in any countries outside of the US, then I don't see what the patent process has to do with the issue? Perhaps I didn't phrase my question very well, I am not asking for the technical details of your design, I am just asking what your "Omega system" does for the user, or why she would find it desirable to own, what does it do for her? > If your response is that I started it all, you'd be right, but > that's all. I joined the group as having a vested interest in AM > stereo. That's what the Fanfare FTA-100, FM/AM Stereo tuner is all > about. I thought "John P." started it, but on checking the archives, I see that as you say, you did indeed start it, but I missed it even though it was in a response to your own post responding to one of my posts. > As for the Omega design, it will debut in its own time. However, > like I said a while back, I would not expect to see the schematic > in Popular Electronics, or anywhere else for that matter. Yes, you did say that a while back, in a somewhat different context that lead me to believe that you were insulting the intelligence many members of this group by insinuating that the design being discussed was far above the "Popular Electronics" level, and far too sophisticated for anyone in this group to understand. The context this time is slightly different, but just goes to further reinforce that impression. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Apr 19 11:02:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 18:02:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 84707 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 18:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 18:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 18:02:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 18:02:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:02:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Keeping the ball rollin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1401 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.244 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Marv Southcott" > wrote: > > > > On 4/19/2003 at 10:46 AM amymousie wrote: > > > > >> > but what is the "Omega" AM system? > > > > >Probably like Motorola's Symphony... > > > > With respect Amy, no one here has really seen or heard either. > > However, I can tell you that it does not resemble the Symphony > > system. > > I case anyone picks up on this, I meant that no one here has heard > either the Omega or the Symphony system actually playing, from a > radio, in their presence. While that may be the case with the "Omega system", how can you possibly say that with respect to "Symphony system", which is not your baby? How do you know who is here, and what they may, or may not, have heard actually playing from a radio in their presence? > The MP3's I have uploaded are attested to by myself as reception of > KABL from the location stated. That's all. Where are these KABL MP3's that you uploaded located? Are you saying the "Omega system" is or is not in use on these KABL MP3's? Since Marv is being modest about the significance of these KABL MP3's, does anyone else have any thoughts on their significance, and what they demonstrate? Do the MP3's demonstrate the reception of KABL both with, and without, the "Omega system" in use? John From fanfare@globility.com Sat Apr 19 11:53:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 18:53:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 3974 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 18:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 18:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 18:53:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 18:53:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:53:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Keeping the ball rollin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.214 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > does anyone else have any thoughts on their significance, and what > they demonstrate? Do the MP3's demonstrate the reception of KABL both > with, and without, the "Omega system" in use? > > John Perhaps it was a little presumptuous of me. Maybe members of this group don't want to be bothered with our progress. If that is the case, should I wait for the concensus you are asking for above? MS From fanfare@globility.com Sat Apr 19 12:00:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 19:00:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 9417 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 19:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 19:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 19:00:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 19:00:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:00:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Keeping the ball rollin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 921 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.214 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > > > > I'm wondering John, if it were your design, and you were in final > > stages of patent registration, what might your answer be if I posed > > the same question to you? :-)) For any further information, you > > have my previous posts to refer to. > > Your previous posts on the subject are content free. You certainly > have the right not to talk about your design, but to answer your > question, If it were my design I would not drag the patent process > into the discussion as a red haring, if I didn't want to talk about About all I can help you with here John, is to acknowledge that you have as much right to say what you want as I have not to. :-)) By the way, is the spelling you are looking for in the word "haring" not "herring"? MS From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat Apr 19 12:03:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 19:03:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 13105 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 19:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 19:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 19:03:15 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030419190315.SMPN25205.fed1mtao02.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:03:15 -0400 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:03:12 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Keeping the ball rollin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <916F93EC-7299-11D7-8BB3-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner This sounds -- on both sides -- way too personal. Yes, the group wants to know. But we also want details and comparisons. On Saturday, April 19, 2003, at 11:53 AM, Mr.M S wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: >> does anyone else have any thoughts on their significance, and what >> they demonstrate? Do the MP3's demonstrate the reception of KABL > both >> with, and without, the "Omega system" in use? >> >> John > > Perhaps it was a little presumptuous of me. Maybe members of this > group don't want to be bothered with our progress. If that is the > case, should I wait for the concensus you are asking for above? > > MS > > From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sat Apr 19 15:24:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 22:24:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 27075 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 22:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 22:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 22:24:58 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 62AD1210CB5 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD661800B7 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030419181807.02cad4f0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:20:30 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Keeping the ball rollin In-Reply-To: <916F93EC-7299-11D7-8BB3-0005021D3C76@mac.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm. I am wondering what this omega system sounds like. And how is it better then just an ordinary radio? Better reception, higher frequency response? Better stereo separation? Or ...????? Curious minds want to know. *Smile* Comparisons would be cool so I can hear the improvement. At 12:03 PM 4/19/03 -0700, you wrote: >This sounds -- on both sides -- way too personal. Yes, the group wants >to know. But we also want details and comparisons. > >On Saturday, April 19, 2003, at 11:53 AM, Mr.M S wrote: > >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: >>> does anyone else have any thoughts on their significance, and what >>> they demonstrate? Do the MP3's demonstrate the reception of KABL >> both >>> with, and without, the "Omega system" in use? >>> >>> John >> >> Perhaps it was a little presumptuous of me. Maybe members of this >> group don't want to be bothered with our progress. If that is the >> case, should I wait for the concensus you are asking for above? >> >> MS >> >> > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Apr 19 15:47:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 22:47:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 52084 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 22:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 22:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 22:47:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 22:47:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:47:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Keeping the ball rollin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <916F93EC-7299-11D7-8BB3-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1661 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.213 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Turns out I was mislead by several earlier posts into thinking the "Omega system" was some exotic new receiver technology, but it turns out it was really much ado about nothing. I found the KABL MP3 that Marv posted in the files section, which I assumed Marv had recently posted, but which turned out to be 10 months old. The explanation of what "Omega" is was right there in the text that accompanies the MP3 file. "Omega" isn't some wondrous new Receiver technology like "Symphony", it is simply the name of the design house that designed the AM receiver board used in the Fanfare tuner. There is only one MP3 and it doesn't demonstrate anything beyond the Fanfare tuner in operation. It is clear to me now that Marv recognized my confusion over the meaning of the term "Omega", and was having a bit of a laugh at my expense, pulling my leg as it were. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > This sounds -- on both sides -- way too personal. Yes, the group > wants to know. But we also want details and comparisons. > > On Saturday, April 19, 2003, at 11:53 AM, Mr.M S wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > >> does anyone else have any thoughts on their significance, and > >> what they demonstrate? Do the MP3's demonstrate the reception > >> of KABL both with, and without, the "Omega system" in use? > >> > >> John > > > > Perhaps it was a little presumptuous of me. Maybe members of this > > group don't want to be bothered with our progress. If that is the > > case, should I wait for the concensus you are asking for above? > > > > MS From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sat Apr 19 16:35:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 23:35:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 82008 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 23:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 23:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 23:35:10 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E3C28211E45 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5311800CA for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030419192920.02cc27a0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:30:05 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Keeping the ball rollin In-Reply-To: References: <916F93EC-7299-11D7-8BB3-0005021D3C76@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh! Okay. I see so since it is only to demonstrate the sound of the Fan fair tuner, that cool. Just thought it was a new design like you thought. At 10:47 PM 4/19/03 +0000, you wrote: >Turns out I was mislead by several earlier posts into thinking the >"Omega system" was some exotic new receiver technology, but it turns >out it was really much ado about nothing. I found the KABL MP3 that >Marv posted in the files section, which I assumed Marv had recently >posted, but which turned out to be 10 months old. The explanation of >what "Omega" is was right there in the text that accompanies the MP3 >file. "Omega" isn't some wondrous new Receiver technology like >"Symphony", it is simply the name of the design house that designed >the AM receiver board used in the Fanfare tuner. There is only one >MP3 and it doesn't demonstrate anything beyond the Fanfare tuner in >operation. It is clear to me now that Marv recognized my confusion >over the meaning of the term "Omega", and was having a bit of a laugh >at my expense, pulling my leg as it were. > >John > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner >wrote: >> This sounds -- on both sides -- way too personal. Yes, the group >> wants to know. But we also want details and comparisons. >> >> On Saturday, April 19, 2003, at 11:53 AM, Mr.M S wrote: >> >> > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: >> >> does anyone else have any thoughts on their significance, and >> >> what they demonstrate? Do the MP3's demonstrate the reception >> >> of KABL both with, and without, the "Omega system" in use? >> >> >> >> John >> > >> > Perhaps it was a little presumptuous of me. Maybe members of this >> > group don't want to be bothered with our progress. If that is the >> > case, should I wait for the concensus you are asking for above? >> > >> > MS > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jim@burgan.net Sat Apr 19 19:24:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 02:24:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 14715 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 02:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 02:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 02:24:18 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-234-107.client.insightbb.com[12.221.234.107]) by sccimhc02.insightbb.com (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030420022417im200ad5kie>; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 02:24:17 +0000 Message-ID: <003f01c306e3$f2a665c0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: Cc: , "Jim Burgan" References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Wor new samples (Off Topic Reply) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 21:24:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Kevin T. wrote: >But, hey... I started out using a 300 baud modem on an Atari 1200XL >computer. While exploring the world of BBSes (do they even exist >anymore!??), I never needed a 'pause' key, because the text would >scroll slowly enough that I could keep up in reading it. 2400 baud >on a PC seemed luxurious in comparison Interesting, Kevin. My first computer was an Atari 800 and after I purchased the ($375) interface module (it had 1 serial port and 1 parallel port and it plugged into the Atari data bus), I bought a 300 baud acoustic coupler/modem (for $200). You put the phone handset in the rubber cups and it chugged along at 300 bits per second (as you mentioned, it was slower than reading speed). A year or so later, I bought a 1200 baud Hayes modem (for $400) and in 1981 and began running a BBS, which continued through 1993. I upgraded to 2400 baud at some point, purchasing a used US Robotics 2400 baud modem for $300, and became the first Atari-specific BBS in the USA to run at 2400 bps. Matthew R. Singer had written BBS software called Forem (spelled that way on purpose), which was written in Atari Basic and was very easy to modify/customize but it had to have machine language subroutines for sending data through Atari's poor XIO path, and those routines allowed it to perform as fast as the big-boys (Zenith and Kaypro had PC's running CP/M (the basics of which which Bill Gates ripped off and it morphed into MSDOS). My BBS becamed the first Atari BBS in the USA with a hard drive, offering 10 megabytes of downloads and a great message center. It was a heritage BBS published in Antic and Analog (the two Atari magazines of the day). When Matt Singer got the Forem software rewritten for the new Atari 520 ST, I had the 2nd BBS in the USA running a BBS on the Atari 520 ST (Matt was first). Before pulling the plug in 1993, my BBS was the oldest, continuously operating Atari-specific BBS in America. We pioneered FidoNet mail on other platforms and did much to further the cause of modem communications. Along the way I bought an IBM and realized that Atari and Commodore (Amiga), Texas Instruments and other proprietary OS machines were soon to become dinosaurs (I never thought the Apple II would outlast the Atari 800/1200XL, since the Atari was the superior machine architecturally) but I blew that one! These days I have a cable modem that downloads a 10 megabyte file in about 30 seconds and I complain about slow it can be. My, how time flies when you're having fun! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 20:18:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 03:18:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 79571 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 03:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 03:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 03:18:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 03:18:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 03:18:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1125 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I tuned in 1520 WWKB this evening and heard a strange "raspy hissing" in the background... sure enough, a little investigation reveals that neighboring 1530 WSAI from Cincinnati is transmitting an IBOC digital signal tonight. Tuning in 1530 kHz, I can hear the reduced audio bandwidth, and on a "forced Stereo" radio I can hear the hissing and rumbling of the digital sidebands. On 1520 and 1540 kHz, there is a constant "digitally modulated" hiss that varies in loudness according to the strength of WSAI's skywave signal versus that of its neighboring stations, such as 1520 WWKB and 1540 WPTR. It is most noticeable when listening to WWKB in AM Stereo. At best, it's just a minor hiss in the background, but at worst (when WSAI is strong and WWKB is weak), it completely drowns out WWKB's signal with the "hash". I got some good examples of this on tape, and will post it as an MP3 file shortly. Meanwhile, for those who are within local or skywave listening range of 1530 WSAI's signal tonight, tune them in, check the adjacent channels, and hear the effects of an IBOC digital signal for yourself! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 20:21:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 03:21:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 48093 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 03:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 03:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 03:21:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 03:21:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 03:21:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Keeping the ball rollin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 230 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Um, er... Santa Monica's a good 300 miles or so south of KABL's=20 > tower... :) I'm sure others have corrected my typo by now, but make that Santa Rosa, not Santa Monica... those darn saints en Espa=F1ol are so easy to mix up! From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat Apr 19 20:27:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 03:27:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 87857 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 03:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 03:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 03:27:08 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030420032704.VMCH10818.fed1mtao03.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:27:04 -0400 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:27:03 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner On a completely unrelated note, I have used my Radio Shack antenna to successfully listen (relatively clearly) to the new "1450 The Fox" all-70s station out of North County San Diego. Without the antenna, I can barely get it; with the antenna, it is VERY listenable. Interestingly, it has made my TX11b almost a DX tuner ... it outdoes the Yamaha receiver, Superradio III, and my car stereos (Delco and Blaupunkt) on this station, at least. I haven't tried my Marantz 2215B or any of the Fishers yet. Unfortunately, I can now barely receive 610 KFRC/San Francisco any more. It gets drowned out by Fox Sports 610 from who knows where (I cannot stand sports radio, so I haven't listened long enough to hear where its coming from). Richard Wagoner (San Pedro, CA) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 20:43:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 03:43:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 38062 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 03:43:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 03:43:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 03:43:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 03:43:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 03:43:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Wor new samples (Off Topic Reply) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003f01c306e3$f2a665c0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1850 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > My first computer was an Atari 800 The Atari 800 was an *amazing* computer for its time (introduced in 1979, with the same basic 8-bit platform lasting until 1993). It had beautiful color graphics, multi-channel sound, a full-featured and easy to use Disk Operating System, a fairly nice BASIC language, and easy expandability all in one afforable package. Many people were (and are) similarly devoted to the Commodore 64, but the Atari had better graphics and sound and is more user-friendly -- no uppercase/lowercase character set nonsense or needing to PEEK and POKE all the time just to get graphics and sound in BASIC programs. The Atari ST and Commodore Amiga series were similarly neck-and-neck, both with their own advantages and disadvantages. These days, I find the ST platform more convenient simply because it uses the same floppy disk format as a DOS/Windows PC, making file transfer a snap. Amigas are still common for video graphics production (if your Cable TV system has a scrolling "Community Info" channel, chances are that it's run by an Amiga), while Atari STs are still popular for music production due to their built-in MIDI interface. The sad story is that Atari and Commodore were both eventually put out of business by poor management and marketing of their products. Multiple attempts have been made to revive both, none of which turned out to be successful. I believe a separate divison of Atari that produces arcade games and video game software may still be in business, but that's about it. I wonder whatever happened to Jack Tramiel -- former CEO of Commodore and then Atari. Like Leonard Kahn and Malcolm Bricklin, he was one of those 1980s businessmen who was full of innovative ideas, but never really managed to escape an aura of eccentricism and make it into the "big leagues". From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Apr 19 21:13:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 04:13:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 33894 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 04:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 04:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 04:13:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 21:13:32 -0700 Received: from 172.170.26.82 by bay7-dav52.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 04:13:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 00:13:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2003 04:13:32.0626 (UTC) FILETIME=[34A08320:01C306F3] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.170.26.82] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T wrote: > I tuned in 1520 WWKB this evening and heard a strange "raspy hissing" in the background... sure enough, a little investigation reveals that neighboring 1530 WSAI from Cincinnati is transmitting an IBOC digital signal tonight. Yes, they are making WWKB unlistenable tonight in South Carolina. There is also a good amount of hiss in 1510 WLAC. Kevin From zebra@strangeanimals.net Sat Apr 19 22:07:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 05:07:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 20060 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 05:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 05:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dragon.evil.net) (216.127.86.123) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 05:07:06 -0000 Received: from T30DOLPHIN (dsl081-068-101.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.68.101]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by dragon.evil.net (8.11.6/9.11.6) with ESMTP id h3K59ng16613 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:09:50 -0700 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Digest Number 664 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:07:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1050747196.544.57277.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "mike" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra Hello, one person was asking for a SRF-42 schematic I've made a zip file (5MB!) of all the pages, including stitched versions of the multi-page drawings. the files are large, but they are good sharp scans. feel free to encode them with djvu or something and repost - I don't have an encoder for that format. http://eeph.com/~dolphin/SRF-42.zip From zebra@strangeanimals.net Sat Apr 19 22:08:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 05:08:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 94820 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 05:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 05:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dragon.evil.net) (216.127.86.123) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 05:08:20 -0000 Received: from T30DOLPHIN (dsl081-068-101.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.68.101]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by dragon.evil.net (8.11.6/9.11.6) with ESMTP id h3K5B3g16646 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:11:03 -0700 To: Subject: RE:Sony SRF-42 service data Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:08:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "mike" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra Sorry, I forgot to change the subject, so I am reposting the same letter a second time. -mike Hello, one person was asking for a SRF-42 schematic I've made a zip file (5MB!) of all the pages, including stitched versions of the multi-page drawings. the files are large, but they are good sharp scans. feel free to encode them with djvu or something and repost - I don't have an encoder for that format. http://eeph.com/~dolphin/SRF-42.zip From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Apr 19 23:31:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 06:31:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 5719 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 06:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 06:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 06:31:22 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.1d0.7b7164e (4230) for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 02:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d0.7b7164e.2bd398b7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 02:31:19 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM /NAB Demos To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Digital CANNOT BE TRANSMITTED on AM and FM without degrading the analog signal quality on both bands. Analog AM and FM are FAR SUPERIOR to the crappy sound of IBOC. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Apr 19 23:31:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 06:31:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 76693 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 06:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 06:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 06:31:22 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.1ca.7d864c5 (4230) for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 02:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ca.7d864c5.2bd398b6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 02:31:18 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC addresses the IBOC "hash" issue To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih It would be better just to scrap IBOC (and it's crappy sound quality) altogether. The FCC doesn't seem to accept the truth that AM and FM are not suited for digital radio. AM and FM MUST REMAIN ANALOG; a separate band MUST BE CREATED for terrestrial digital radio. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From bjackson@indyradio.com Sun Apr 20 00:06:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 07:06:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 4203 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 07:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 07:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 07:06:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 07:06:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 07:06:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Yes, they are making WWKB unlistenable tonight in South Carolina. There is > also a good amount of hiss in 1510 WLAC. > > Kevin I ran tape on WSAI tonight from my Sony SRF-42 forced mode radio (I still say it has the worst tuning knob of any radio!). They were also knocking noise into 1520 WKWY just 20 miles away from my house. - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - http://www.indyradio.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 20 00:10:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 07:10:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 26531 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 07:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 07:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 07:10:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 07:10:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 07:10:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WSAI/WWKB IBOC audio sample Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 677 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's an MP3 recording of my reception of 1530 WSAI and 1520 WWKB on Saturday night, as received on my MCS 3050 tuner. It flips back and forth between WSAI (with their 5 kHz mono audio) and neighboring WWKB in AM Stereo -- which happened to be transmitting dead air for a few minutes, allowing an ideal representation of the amount of "hash" WSAI's digital IBOC signal was causing to be heard in the background of -- and sometimes on top of -- their signal. ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wsaiiboc.mp3 Both signals were received via skywave in central New Jersey, about 550 miles away from WSAI's transmitter and about 270 miles away from WWKB's transmitter. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Apr 20 00:24:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 07:24:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 43343 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 07:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 07:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 07:24:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 07:23:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 07:23:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM /NAB Demos Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1d0.7b7164e.2bd398b7@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 588 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.218 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Digital CANNOT BE TRANSMITTED on AM and FM without degrading the analog > signal quality on both bands. Analog AM and FM are FAR SUPERIOR to the crappy > sound of IBOC. Gee, and one would have thought MY feelings were strong on the subject, so strong that I created "no2iboc" here on Yahoo! Groups. :) I am humbled. :) And yes, IBOC is the biggest mistake in radio since Payola and the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Now that I got that out, back to digging around for AM stereo artifacts.... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 20 02:04:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 09:04:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 44443 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 09:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 09:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 09:04:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 09:04:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 09:04:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 102.7 WNEW using IBOC on FM /NAB Demos Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 237 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics BTW, to get back to the subject of this thread, "102.7 Blink" WNEW is now running new promo liners for IBOC, such as "New York's first FM station to broadcast in digital high definition HD Radio". (Yes, with that redundancy included!) From powell@conterra.com Sun Apr 20 03:37:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 10:37:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 63792 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 10:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 10:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ziggy.conterra.com) (66.112.206.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 10:37:33 -0000 Received: from ziggy.conterra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ziggy.conterra.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3KAbW15089023 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 06:37:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from powell@conterra.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by ziggy.conterra.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h3KAbWIZ089022 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 06:37:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ziggy.conterra.com: www set sender to powell@conterra.com using -f Received: from nb-209-213-26-022.backroads.net (nb-209-213-26-022.backroads.net [209.213.26.22]) by ziggy.conterra.com (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 06:37:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1050835051.3ea2786bf063b@ziggy.conterra.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 06:37:31 -0400 To: "" Subject: WSAI References: <1050820286.3482.5726.m8@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1050820286.3482.5726.m8@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Yup, driving to WKDK I heard the hash on 1520 and 1540 and those frequencies are toast....and it didn't taste good. I didn't hear anything on 1510 except WLAC, but I still have the standard mushy radio in the 88 Cutlass. Powell W4OPW and right now WKDK ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From powell@conterra.com Sun Apr 20 04:47:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 11:47:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 43771 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 11:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 11:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 11:47:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 11:47:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:47:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT...record EQ curves Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 270 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I know that US made 33.3's had the RIAA curve. I have 2 Decca ( UK) recordings one Ted Heath and the other Mantovani, I'll be playing later on this AM on WKDK. Does anyone know how different the UK EQ was from the us RIAA curve for these albums? Powell @ WKDK... From spfleck@citlink.net Sun Apr 20 05:41:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spfleck@citlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 12:41:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 46195 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 12:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 12:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay01.roc.frontiernet.net) (66.133.131.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 12:41:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 10910 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 12:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO steve) ([170.215.238.51]) (envelope-sender ) by relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.2) with SMTP for ; 20 Apr 2003 12:41:42 -0000 Message-ID: <002901c3073a$31b2b9c0$01c8a8c0@n2ubp.net> To: References: <1050820286.3482.5726.m8@yahoogroups.com> Subject: 710 WOR reception and an overhauled Kenwood Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 08:41:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Steve Fleckenstein" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2988995 X-Yahoo-Profile: n2ubp I just had my Kenwood TS-430S overhauled by a friend who is a retired E.E. His basement shop puts many pro sites to shame. Also added the 6 khz AM filter. Now with the new crystal filter and the rig aligned I can strongly hear the 710 IBOC whistle everyone complains about. Good radio in good shape = noise. Consumer radio off the shelf from WalMart = no noise. go figure ? Steve From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Apr 20 06:46:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 13:46:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 49645 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 13:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 13:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 13:45:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 13:45:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 13:45:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Ripflash Alternative Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 103 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.59.173 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Anyone got one of these ? Any good ? :- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3019443540 From powell@conterra.com Sun Apr 20 10:14:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 17:14:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 8913 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 17:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 17:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 17:14:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 17:14:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:14:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 293 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: YO ! Your mailbox is full. I sent WFIS the plots yesterday from here in Newberry. BTW can you imagine what the 1520 here in Newberry will be like when WLAC on 1510 turns on their IBOC. Fire sale? Powell From powell@conterra.com Sun Apr 20 10:15:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 17:15:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 63107 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 17:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 17:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 17:15:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 17:15:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:15:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 293 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: YO ! Your mailbox is full. I sent WFIS the plots yesterday from here in Newberry. BTW can you imagine what the 1520 here in Newberry will be like when WLAC on 1510 turns on their IBOC. Fire sale? Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Apr 20 10:49:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 17:49:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 79637 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 17:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 17:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 17:49:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 17:49:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:49:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 900 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.223 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: =snip= > BTW can you imagine what the 1520 here in Newberry will be like when > WLAC on 1510 turns on their IBOC. Fire sale? IBOC is an embarassment to all of us. One might recall that during all three AM stereo evaluations (1959, 1979, and 1982), the FCC insisted that any proposed AM stereo system adhere to the interference standards that have been in the books- and still are, last I know- for decades. This, right now, is the single biggest reason why IBOC should never be on AM, at least. The FCC has not only dropped the ball on this one, but it smells like bad money is involved. Looks like Payola all over again, only this time, it's the people behind IBOC buying their way in. One has to wonder if the FCC people actually listen to what they're regulating? Whatever happened to standards? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From powell@conterra.com Sun Apr 20 13:15:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 20:15:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 73067 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 20:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 20:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 20:15:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 20:15:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:15:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 296 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.20.153.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: . > > One has to wonder if the FCC people actually listen to what they're > regulating? > > Whatever happened to standards? > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Um Mousie Amy....the answer is no all that's left is LAWYERS.... Powell From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Apr 20 13:45:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 20:45:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 64889 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 20:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 20:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 20:45:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 20:45:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:45:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 911 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > IBOC is an embarassment to all of us. One might recall that during > all three AM stereo evaluations (1959, 1979, and 1982), the FCC > insisted that any proposed AM stereo system adhere to the > interference standards that have been in the books- and still are, > last I know- for decades. This, right now, is the single biggest > reason why IBOC should never be on AM, at least. The FCC has not only > dropped the ball on this one, but it smells like bad money is > involved. Looks like Payola all over again, only this time, it's the > people behind IBOC buying their way in. > > One has to wonder if the FCC people actually listen to what they're > regulating? > > Whatever happened to standards? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Can you say 'graft'? Sounds like there needs to be a Congressional investigation of the FCC. JSG From powell@conterra.com Sun Apr 20 14:12:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 21:12:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 90838 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 21:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 21:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 21:12:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 21:12:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:12:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 245 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.20.153.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > Can you say 'graft'? Sounds like there needs to be a Congressional > investigation of the FCC. > > JSG The wolves guarding the chicken house? They are in it too. Powell From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Apr 20 14:17:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 21:17:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 35387 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 21:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 21:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 21:17:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 21:17:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:17:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1950 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > IBOC is an embarassment to all of us. One might recall that during > all three AM stereo evaluations (1959, 1979, and 1982), the FCC > insisted that any proposed AM stereo system adhere to the > interference standards that have been in the books- and still are, > last I know- for decades. This, right now, is the single biggest > reason why IBOC should never be on AM, at least. The FCC has not > only dropped the ball on this one, but it smells like bad money is > involved. Looks like Payola all over again, only this time, it's the > people behind IBOC buying their way in. This is an interesting subject, and I have been wondering why it hasn't been discussed thoroughly here before? Before you accuse the FCC of being on the take, are you sure the hybrid IBOC system doesn't meet the interference standards, that as you point out are still in effect, and in fact are more stringent than they were only a few years ago? I just looked up the emission standards, and it appears to me that the hybrid IBOC system, at least at the digital sideband power levels being used by one well known broadcaster, meets the standards as they are currently written! Now it does appear to me that the standards as currently written are somewhat ambiguous, and as many of my relatives are/were lawyers, I am reading the standards in a light favorable to IBOC. Have you even read the FCC emission standard? Certainly there can be no question that the ultimate digital only version of IBOC easily meets the standards, can you explain why you think the hybrid IBOC system currently in use doesn't meet the FCC emission standards? It appears to me that the hybrid IBOC system is fully compliant with the existing emission regulations, and I suspect that the system was intentionally designed so that it would be in compliance with the standards. John From fanfare@globility.com Sun Apr 20 16:06:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 20 Apr 2003 23:06:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 81430 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2003 23:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2003 23:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2003 23:05:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2003 23:05:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:05:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Was "Keepin the ball rollin'" Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 920 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I have made a clarification of the file demonstrating KABL and the the Omega reception system that exists in the AMSF archives. I really don't know how the explanation got to include the FTA-100. However, I do apologize for any incorrect impression it was likely to foster. While a Fanfare tuner would be the logical destination for the Omega receiver circuit, it wasn't a part of any Fanfare tuner at that time. As for anything else alleged in the earlier string mentioning this inconsistency, I haven't a clue what the member is referring to. All Fanfare designs are done in-house, including the board layouts. Finally, it has been mentioned in private that further debate on this subject would be better carried out off the forum as it has little to do with the betterment of AM Stereo and more to do with defaming the intent of the group.. I agree. Whatever happens now is up to the moderator. M.S. From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sun Apr 20 18:53:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 01:53:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 47451 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 01:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 01:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 01:53:40 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F03E222B85 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 01:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37E51800C8 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 01:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030420211855.02153220@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:25:33 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: For Michael J. Richards Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there.... I'd send this to you personally but I neglected to save your e-mail address. WinMX is up for you when you get to work, so you can download what ever you'd like. On another note: I've just bought about $200 worse of LP's and 12 inches of today's music, including some dance mixes. When the records get here from shipping, I will record them in 16 Bits per sample at 48000 HZ Stereo waves for upload. (May be 44100 HZ though) This is the best quality I can produce and I will except no less if I'm doing the recording for now on in. This will be from a Techniques SL-1200 turntable, on first or second play of the album. It'll be up on WinMX on the open nap servers, along with the rest of my junk. Enjoy all. P.S. Michael, let me know if you've found me to see my collection. Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 20 19:35:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 02:35:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 90170 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 02:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 02:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 02:35:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2003 02:35:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 02:35:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT...record EQ curves Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 734 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I know that US made 33.3's had the RIAA curve. I have 2 Decca ( UK) > recordings one Ted Heath and the other Mantovani, I'll be playing > later on this AM on WKDK. Does anyone know how different the UK EQ > was from the us RIAA curve for these albums? Just play 'em and see what you get. The playback curve shouldn't be drastically different. I have a bunch of 45 RPM singles from the mid-'60s from Germany, Czechoslovkia, and Romania, and they all sound fine when played through a standard RIAA-spec turntable. Unfortunately, all are mono -- but even U.S.-made 45's from the '60s were mostly mono, because most were bought to be played on jukeboxes and carry-about record players, rather than on home stereo systems. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 20 19:44:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 02:44:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 5099 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 02:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 02:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 02:44:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2003 02:44:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 02:44:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 728 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I just looked up the emission standards, and it appears to me that > the hybrid IBOC system, at least at the digital sideband power > levels being used by one well known broadcaster, meets the > standards as they are currently written! This is true, but in the case of IBOC, the current standards for AM broadcasting are meaningless because they were only intended to be applicable to ANALOG signals. Transmitting a continuous digital data stream is a very different animal, and real-world experience has proven that the current analog-oriented regulations are not sufficent to allow these digital signals to be transmitted without causing objectionable levels of intereference for both local and distant listeners. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Apr 20 20:03:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 03:03:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 36403 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 03:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 03:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 03:03:27 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.4c.1b8d0e0d (3956) for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4c.1b8d0e0d.2bd4b97c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:03:24 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Why not call an INDEPENDENT investigation, headed by an ANTI-DEREGULATION ex-Senator, former government official or even former radio station owner or worker? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 20 20:47:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 03:47:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 34294 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 03:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 03:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 03:47:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2003 03:47:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 03:47:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WSAI transmitting IBOC again Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 752 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 1530 WSAI is transmitting IBOC again tonight. Depending on the strength of their signal, I can hear the "hash" on 1510, 1520, 1540, and 1550 kHz. Lovely, ain't it? However, I have to admit that WSAI's 5 kHz analog audio isn't as bad as I expected. It's at least as good as that of the better shortwave broadcast stations, without any of the awful "ringing" distortion of WOR's 5 kHz audio. I guess that means they're using an Omnia processor, like 700 WLW. And speaking of WLW, does anybody know if they're still using IBOC during the daytime? At this point I don't think Clear Channel would pay for two sets of IBOC equipment in one city, so if WLW is no longer using it, they might have simply swapped the IBOC exciter over to WSAI. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Apr 20 23:57:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 06:57:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 18382 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 06:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 06:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 06:57:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2003 06:57:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:57:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1396 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.207 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I just looked up the emission standards, and it appears to me that > > the hybrid IBOC system, at least at the digital sideband power > > levels being used by one well known broadcaster, meets the > > standards as they are currently written! > > This is true, but in the case of IBOC, the current standards for AM > broadcasting are meaningless because they were only intended to be > applicable to ANALOG signals. > > Transmitting a continuous digital data stream is a very different > animal, and real-world experience has proven that the current > analog-oriented regulations are not sufficent to allow these digital > signals to be transmitted without causing objectionable levels of > intereference for both local and distant listeners. Since it is very similar to a continious wave of white noise it is not much different than the white noise test signal used with the more restrictive mask where at 15KHz it is ~-36dBc. In the March 2003 issue of QST the spectral analisys shows the primary IBOC sidebands just below -30dBc at 15KHz. So in a manner of speaking this could be seen as a violation by ~6dB. In some of the earlier tests an engineer from one of the bigger broadcast conglomerates recomended that the IBOC sidebands be reduced by at least 6dB to reduce adjacent channel interference. JSG From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Apr 21 01:14:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 08:14:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 3044 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 08:14:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 08:14:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 08:14:17 -0000 Received: from michaelj (unverified [209.193.86.19]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 02:14:17 -0600 Message-ID: <00a001c307de$036216c0$1356c1d1@mshome.net> To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030420211855.02153220@pop.GameBox.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: For Michael J. Richards Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 02:14:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks John! It's 2:15am right now and I'm up with my 4-month old who still isn't sleeping through the night. Will check it out in the morning once I get to the station. Thanks Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:25 PM Subject: {AMSF} OT: For Michael J. Richards Hi there.... I'd send this to you personally but I neglected to save your e-mail address. WinMX is up for you when you get to work, so you can download what ever you'd like. On another note: I've just bought about $200 worse of LP's and 12 inches of today's music, including some dance mixes. When the records get here from shipping, I will record them in 16 Bits per sample at 48000 HZ Stereo waves for upload. (May be 44100 HZ though) This is the best quality I can produce and I will except no less if I'm doing the recording for now on in. This will be from a Techniques SL-1200 turntable, on first or second play of the album. It'll be up on WinMX on the open nap servers, along with the rest of my junk. Enjoy all. P.S. Michael, let me know if you've found me to see my collection. Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jim@burgan.net Mon Apr 21 06:42:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 13:42:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 98483 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 13:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 13:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 13:42:42 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-234-107.client.insightbb.com[12.221.234.107]) by sccimhc02.insightbb.com (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030421134242im200acmbbe>; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:42:42 +0000 Message-ID: <004701c3080b$e313e460$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:42:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >BTW can you imagine what the 1520 here in Newberry will be like when >WLAC on 1510 turns on their IBOC. Fire sale? As Brad Jackson mentioned earlier, there is a decent oldies station nearby on 1520 (WKWH 1 KW D, .25 KW Nights DA2) and WSAI was killing them most of the weekend. (like Brad, I live 20 miles (in a different direction) from the WKWH Xmitter site) and they have a great signal days and decent nights (we're in the south lobe). Since Clear Channel is bound and determined to sell AM IBOC (do they own stock?), it is only a matter of time until WLAC (1510) turns on their IBOC. With 50KW WLAC on 1510, and 50 KW WSAI on 1530, I would venture to say WKWH may be in trouble (WSAI is about 70 miles down I-74 from WKWH so even WSAI's day time :hash" causes problems). I agree.. it will be a 'fire sale' for all class B's on 1520 and then there's poooor old WKBW (or WWKB, as it's called these days). They are strong to the east of their towers, but anything to the west will also get clobbered by WSAI/WLAC IBOC sidebands. This is just one example of hundreds of potential messes on the AM dial with IBOC. Just what are they thinkin'? ===== On a separate note: I have always wondered this... WKBW is/was a class 1A clear (actually a 1B clear by the old way of things), and even though they elected to have a directional array to keep from wasting those precious watts over lake Erie and (to a lesser degree) to protect Oklahoma City's KOMA)isn't their contour protected between Buffalo and Oklahoma City? I find tons of class B's with substantial night time authorization on 1520, which is a US Clear Channel. The FCC didn't allow anyone to trash 1000 kHz between WCFL and KOMA did they? So what's the story about 1520kHz? -Jim- From jim@burgan.net Mon Apr 21 06:47:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 13:47:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 24543 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 13:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 13:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc01.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 13:47:45 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-234-107.client.insightbb.com[12.221.234.107]) by sccimhc01.insightbb.com (sccimhc01) with SMTP id <20030421134744im1002klgle>; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:47:44 +0000 Message-ID: <005701c3080c$97773e70$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSAI transmitting IBOC again Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:47:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >And speaking of WLW, does anybody know if they're still using IBOC >during the daytime? At this point I don't think Clear Channel would >pay for two sets of IBOC equipment in one city, so if WLW is no >longer using it, they might have simply swapped the IBOC exciter >over to WSAI. I haven't heard any IBOC activity on WLW for some time (well over a month) so your theory is probably correct. From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Apr 21 09:17:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 16:17:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 56416 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 16:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 16:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 16:17:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2003 16:17:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:17:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Was "Keepin the ball rollin'" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2165 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > I have made a clarification of the file demonstrating KABL and the > the Omega reception system that exists in the AMSF archives. I > really don't know how the explanation got to include the FTA-100. > However, I do apologize for any incorrect impression it was likely > to foster. While a Fanfare tuner would be the logical destination > for the Omega receiver circuit, it wasn't a part of any Fanfare > tuner at that time. > > As for anything else alleged in the earlier string mentioning this > inconsistency, I haven't a clue what the member is referring to. All > Fanfare designs are done in-house, including the board layouts. OK, here's a clue, this is a quote of the previous text that was posted with your KABL demonstration MP3 in the files section. "960 KABL in Oakland (San Francisco), CA, as received in AM Stereo on the Fanfare FTA-100P, featuring the new Omega Reception Technologies tuner, which provides superior performance and audio quality, especially from weak/distant signals." Note particularly how it says "the Fanfare FTA-100P, featuring the new Omega Reception Technologies tuner", the conclusion is obvious. Also if you weren't pulling my leg, why didn't you just refer me to the archives when I asked what "Omega" was? I found the answer to my question in the archives last night. Actually I had looked there before even asking, but as I don't often use that feature of the group, I misinterpreted the response to my first attempt as meaning that there had been no mention of "Omega" prior to your mentioning it on Friday. After I found the KABL MP3 file, and its accompanying text which had been posted nearly a year ago, I began to wonder why the subject hadn't come up before, so I took another look last night, and this time I found that there had previously been fairly extensive discussion of "Omega", as one would expect. So the original question of what "Omega" is has been answered, although you have raised a new question, which is why you wrote the original text as you did, that was posted with the KABL MP3? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Apr 21 09:23:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 16:23:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 59137 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 16:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 16:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 16:23:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2003 16:23:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:23:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 981 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > Since it is very similar to a continious wave of white noise it is > not much different than the white noise test signal used with the > more restrictive mask where at 15KHz it is ~-36dBc. In the March > 2003 issue of QST the spectral analisys shows the primary IBOC > sidebands just below -30dBc at 15KHz. So in a manner of speaking > this could be seen as a violation by ~6dB. In some of the earlier > tests an engineer from one of the bigger broadcast conglomerates > recomended that the IBOC sidebands be reduced by at least 6dB to > reduce adjacent channel interference. What is this "more restrictive mask" you are talking about? Have the regulations changed in the last couple of years? I will admit my copy is a couple of years old, guess I will have to try and down load the latest version from the FCC web site, but somehow I don't expect it to be any different from the copy I have. John From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Apr 21 10:05:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 17:05:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 13998 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 17:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 17:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 17:05:01 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CC6322260E8 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332031800D3 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030421123836.02498ec0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:44:14 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: private Was - "Keepin the ball rollin'" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. Can you please take this private? I think this would be better settled in private rather then on the list. Thank you. No problem with anyone hear, it just seems that it'd be better as there would be no more cans of worms opened on the subject. Peace to all! At 04:17 PM 4/21/03 +0000, you wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: >> I have made a clarification of the file demonstrating KABL and the >> the Omega reception system that exists in the AMSF archives. I >> really don't know how the explanation got to include the FTA-100. >> However, I do apologize for any incorrect impression it was likely >> to foster. While a Fanfare tuner would be the logical destination >> for the Omega receiver circuit, it wasn't a part of any Fanfare >> tuner at that time. >> >> As for anything else alleged in the earlier string mentioning this >> inconsistency, I haven't a clue what the member is referring to. All >> Fanfare designs are done in-house, including the board layouts. > >OK, here's a clue, this is a quote of the previous text that was >posted with your KABL demonstration MP3 in the files section. > >"960 KABL in Oakland (San Francisco), CA, as received >in AM Stereo on the Fanfare FTA-100P, featuring the >new Omega Reception Technologies tuner, which provides >superior performance and audio quality, especially >from weak/distant signals." > >Note particularly how it says "the Fanfare FTA-100P, featuring the new >Omega Reception Technologies tuner", the conclusion is obvious. > >Also if you weren't pulling my leg, why didn't you just refer me to >the archives when I asked what "Omega" was? I found the answer to my >question in the archives last night. Actually I had looked there >before even asking, but as I don't often use that feature of the >group, I misinterpreted the response to my first attempt as meaning >that there had been no mention of "Omega" prior to your mentioning it >on Friday. After I found the KABL MP3 file, and its accompanying text >which had been posted nearly a year ago, I began to wonder why the >subject hadn't come up before, so I took another look last night, and >this time I found that there had previously been fairly extensive >discussion of "Omega", as one would expect. > >So the original question of what "Omega" is has been answered, >although you have raised a new question, which is why you wrote the >original text as you did, that was posted with the KABL MP3? > >John > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 10:22:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 17:22:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 66639 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 17:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 17:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 17:22:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2003 17:22:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:22:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Was "Keepin the ball rollin'" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1283 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > "960 KABL in Oakland (San Francisco), CA, as received in AM Stereo > on the Fanfare FTA-100P, featuring the new Omega Reception > Technologies tuner, which provides superior performance and audio > quality, especially from weak/distant signals." That description was written by myself, while I was reorganizing the file collection. It has since been updated by Marv to reflect the fact that the recording was actually made from a prototype receiver, rather than from the FTA-100P model tuner: "960 KABL in Oakland (San Francisco), CA, as received in AM Stereo on the new, still experimental, Omega Reception Technologies tuner. This new tuner provides superior performance and audio quality, especially from weak/distant signals." p.s. John, in this thread I have had trouble determining whether you are merely curious about the nature of the Omega tuner or if you are purposely trying to be suspicious of its design and implementation. You are often skeptical of many things discussed here, and that is your prerogative, but sometimes it gets to the level where it appears that you have some sort of underlying agenda. If that is the case, you might as well be open about it, as I don't think the rest of us here are trying to disguise our beliefs or intentions. From powell@conterra.com Mon Apr 21 10:27:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 17:27:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 66451 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 17:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 17:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-gateway.matrixconsulting.net) (66.112.200.203) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 17:27:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 6009 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 17:27:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx.matrixconsulting.net) (65.199.24.6) by mx-gateway.matrixconsulting.net with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 17:27:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 6842 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 17:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bsae-skqpk3w8p5) (66.112.193.125) by mx.matrixconsulting.net with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 17:27:32 -0000 Organization: BEARly Organized To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:27:31 -0400 Subject: IBOC and the rules Message-ID: <3EA3F1C3.21854.122A83@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1050918833.1665.53686.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: powell@conterra.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW On 21 Apr 2003 at 9:53, > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:17:21 -0000 > From: "bta_50g" > Subject: Re: 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > IBOC is an embarassment to all of us. One might recall that > during > all three AM stereo evaluations (1959, 1979, and 1982), the > FCC > insisted that any proposed AM stereo system adhere to the > > interference standards that have been in the books- and still are, > > last I know- for decades. This, right now, is the single biggest > > reason why IBOC should never be on AM, at least. The FCC has not > > only dropped the ball on this one, but it smells like bad money is > > involved. Looks like Payola all over again, only this time, it's the > > people behind IBOC buying their way in. > > > This is an interesting subject, and I have been wondering why it > hasn't been discussed thoroughly here before? Before you accuse the > FCC of being on the take, are you sure the hybrid IBOC system doesn't > meet the interference standards, that as you point out are still in > effect, and in fact are more stringent than they were only a few years > ago? I just looked up the emission standards, and it appears to me > that the hybrid IBOC system, at least at the digital sideband power > levels being used by one well known broadcaster, meets the standards > as they are currently written! Now it does appear to me that the > standards as currently written are somewhat ambiguous, and as many of > my relatives are/were lawyers, I am reading the standards in a light > favorable to IBOC. Not REALLY the current NRSC mask was written for ANALOG and digital with it's constant ON was not really thought of. TECHNICALLY, while it MIGHT meet the mask IN REALITY it does not. With WSAI's IBOC off I can clearly hear stations on either sideband. With it on NADA. Even Paul Jellison. CC' regional director of engineering, said that when WOR went IBOC in the mornings, it was causing substantial interference into it's protected ***GROUNDWAVE*** signal. > Have you even read the FCC emission standard? Certainly there can be > no question that the ultimate digital only version of IBOC easily > meets the standards, can you explain why you think the hybrid IBOC > system currently in use doesn't meet the FCC emission standards? It > appears to me that the hybrid IBOC system is fully compliant with the > existing emission regulations, and I suspect that the system was > intentionally designed so that it would be in compliance with the > standards. > John When the analog is deleted, the digital will be moved on band. IBIQUITY found BIG loopholes and used them, and just too bad so sad for the interference. Paul Jellison said the daytime IBOC would be into the protected daytime coverage of a 1520 in Indiana. Too bad for them too I guess. I would HATE to be the owner of the my hometown competition WKMG on 1520 early mornings and late afternoon / evenings when WLAC turns on IBOC too! Powell From powell@conterra.com Mon Apr 21 10:32:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: powell@conterra.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 17:32:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 84991 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 17:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 17:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-gateway.matrixconsulting.net) (66.112.200.203) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 17:32:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 7274 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 17:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx.matrixconsulting.net) (65.199.24.6) by mx-gateway.matrixconsulting.net with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 17:32:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 10319 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 17:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bsae-skqpk3w8p5) (66.112.193.125) by mx.matrixconsulting.net with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 17:32:12 -0000 Organization: BEARly Organized To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:32:12 -0400 Subject: more record eq curves Message-ID: <3EA3F2DC.1529.1671AA@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1050918833.1665.53686.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: powell@conterra.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8062869 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW On 21 Apr 2003 at 9:53, Kevtronics wrote: > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 02:35:55 -0000 > From: "Kevin T." > Subject: Re: OT...record EQ curves > > > I know that US made 33.3's had the RIAA curve. I have 2 Decca ( UK) > > recordings one Ted Heath and the other Mantovani, I'll be playing > > later on this AM on WKDK. Does anyone know how different the UK EQ > > was from the us RIAA curve for these albums? > > Just play 'em and see what you get. The playback curve shouldn't be > drastically different. They seem slightly brighter..... I've done this before. I thought someone might know the differences. > I have a bunch of 45 RPM singles from the > mid-'60s from Germany, Czechoslovkia, and Romania, and they all sound > fine when played through a standard RIAA-spec turntable. > Unfortunately, all are mono -- but even U.S.-made 45's from the '60s > were mostly mono, because most were bought to be played on jukeboxes > and carry-about record players, rather than on home stereo systems. I have a lot of late 60's 45's and they are stereo for the most part. By then most record players were such that stereo records could be played on anything due to cartridge changes. Powell From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 10:41:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 17:41:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 90515 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 17:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 17:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 17:41:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2003 17:41:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:41:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1574 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > On a completely unrelated note, I have used my Radio Shack antenna to > successfully listen (relatively clearly) to the new "1450 The Fox" > all-70s station out of North County San Diego. Without the antenna, I > can barely get it; with the antenna, it is VERY listenable. > Interestingly, it has made my TX11b almost a DX tuner ... it outdoes > the Yamaha receiver, Superradio III, and my car stereos (Delco and > Blaupunkt) on this station, at least. I haven't tried my Marantz 2215B > or any of the Fishers yet. > > Unfortunately, I can now barely receive 610 KFRC/San Francisco any > more. It gets drowned out by Fox Sports 610 from who knows where (I > cannot stand sports radio, so I haven't listened long enough to hear > where its coming from). > > Richard Wagoner > (San Pedro, CA) I think that Fox Sports 610 would be KAVL from Lancaster. I don't really care for sports radio either. Only time I listen to it is to catch a baseball game on 600 KOGO San Diego (Padres), 850 KOA Denver (Rockies), 620 KTAR Phoenix (Diamondbacks), 980 KFWB Los Angeles or 1560 KNZR Bakersfield (Dodgers), 800 XEMMM Tijuana or 710 KSPN Los Angeles (Angels), 1000 KOMO Seattle (Mariners) but 1000 KCEO Vista interferes where I live - both are approx. same signal strength, with maybe KCEO being just a bit stronger, but they run a nostalgia format at night so that makes it a bit easier to listen for the play-by-play. I'm not sure if the Giants are on 680 KNBR San Francisco, though... From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 10:47:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 17:47:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 29681 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 17:47:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 17:47:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 17:47:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2003 17:47:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:47:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <690003A5-71B8-11D7-9FC6-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1163 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I bought the antenna and found it does improve reception. I was able to > get a small San Diego station relatively cleanly during the day; before > hand using a home-made loop the station was unlistenable. However, -- > and keep in mind the stupidity of the question lies in my > non-engineering background -- does/can the antenna act to reduce the > bandwidth of the signal? My TX11b seems to have fewer high frequencies > than when I use my old loop. Is that even possible? > > Richard Just curious... which small station, and where are you listening from? I remember one time using a Panasonic Shockwave RQ-SW10 and a Select-A-Tenna, I was able to pick up KGO and KNBR during the day once or twice from El Cajon, CA. I also heard WCCO 830 Minneapolis out from under KPLS Orange, WBBM 780 Chicago out from under KKOH Reno and 2nd-channel interference from 760 KFMB San Diego, and 870 WWL New Orleans out from under KRLA Glendale and adjacent-channel 860 XEMO Tijuana. I can still fairly reliably hear 1520 KOMA Oklahoma City with just the radio, and no external antenna. From jlehmann@attbi.com Mon Apr 21 13:37:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlehmann@attbi.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 20:37:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 94480 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 20:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 20:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc51.attbi.com) (204.127.198.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 20:37:14 -0000 Received: from amd (h00045a211584.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.30.163.53]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with SMTP id <2003042120172505100fs86ne>; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:17:26 +0000 To: Subject: 1090 WILD AM Stereo Boston Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:17:47 -0400 Message-ID: <009a01c30843$1376ce10$6401a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal From: "Jeff Lehmann" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=98257848 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn I just recorded some of 1090 WILD in AM Stereo from my Sangean SR-66. I can receive them with a fairly good signal, there's just a little high pitched whine in the background. It's about 15 minutes scoped down to about 3. If anyone wants me to send them an MP3, I'd be happy to. I've found that WILD, 740 WJIB, and 1360 WLYN are the stations currently broadcasting AM Stereo in the Boston area. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon Apr 21 13:37:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 20:37:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 7464 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 20:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 20:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 20:37:41 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030421203741.GYBS25205.fed1mtao02.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:37:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:37:43 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} more record eq curves Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3EA3F2DC.1529.1671AA@localhost> Message-Id: <1A186CDA-7439-11D7-B397-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner If you want, I can scan the rolloff curves for my Citation I preamp. It includes RIAA and about 5 others. Richard On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 10:32 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > On 21 Apr 2003 at 9:53, Kevtronics wrote: > >> Message: 14 >> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 02:35:55 -0000 >> From: "Kevin T." >> Subject: Re: OT...record EQ curves >> >>> I know that US made 33.3's had the RIAA curve. I have 2 Decca ( UK) >>> recordings one Ted Heath and the other Mantovani, I'll be playing >>> later on this AM on WKDK. Does anyone know how different the UK EQ >>> was from the us RIAA curve for these albums? >> >> Just play 'em and see what you get. The playback curve shouldn't be >> drastically different. > > They seem slightly brighter..... I've done this before. I thought > someone might know the differences. > > >> I have a bunch of 45 RPM singles from the >> mid-'60s from Germany, Czechoslovkia, and Romania, and they all sound >> fine when played through a standard RIAA-spec turntable. >> Unfortunately, all are mono -- but even U.S.-made 45's from the '60s >> were mostly mono, because most were bought to be played on jukeboxes >> and carry-about record players, rather than on home stereo systems. > > > I have a lot of late 60's 45's and they are stereo for the most part. > By then most record players were such that stereo records could be > played on anything due to cartridge changes. > > Powell > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > DVD Rentals with No Late Fees - Try Netflix for FREE! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/ZKLNcC/pEZFAA/i5gGAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Apr 21 14:52:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 21:52:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 15530 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 21:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 21:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 21:52:18 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.208]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:50:38 -0400 Message-ID: <003301c30850$64fb42e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <009a01c30843$1376ce10$6401a8c0@AMD> Subject: Memorex BoomBalls Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:53:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I got a supply of the Memorex Boomballs today, if anyone wanted one. These have become impossible to find, but our local Target transferred some from another store to the Middletown store. I have added the AM Stereo decoders to them already, and the cost including US mail or UPS is $59.00 (I only have 5...) Chris From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Apr 21 14:53:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 21:53:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 21352 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 21:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 21:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 21:53:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2003 21:53:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:53:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2081 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.199 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > > > Since it is very similar to a continious wave of white noise it is > > not much different than the white noise test signal used with the > > more restrictive mask where at 15KHz it is ~-36dBc. In the March > > 2003 issue of QST the spectral analisys shows the primary IBOC > > sidebands just below -30dBc at 15KHz. So in a manner of speaking > > this could be seen as a violation by ~6dB. In some of the earlier > > tests an engineer from one of the bigger broadcast conglomerates > > recomended that the IBOC sidebands be reduced by at least 6dB to > > reduce adjacent channel interference. > > What is this "more restrictive mask" you are talking about? Have > the regulations changed in the last couple of years? I will admit > my copy is a couple of years old, guess I will have to try and down > load the latest version from the FCC web site, but somehow I don't > expect it to be any different from the copy I have. I took a look on the FCC web site, and could find no mention of this "more restrictive mask" that you mention, in fact it appears that this regulation hasn't changed since Feb. 1, 1984, which surprised me. The FCC mask seems to call for only a -25dB level in the area of the IBOC sidebands as far as I can see, where did you get the -36 dB number, inquiring minds want to know? I also decided it was time to dig up a copy of this "QST" article everyone keeps referencing. I have never been very good with decoding the cryptic annotations used on modern spectrum analyzer displays, but it appears that the spectrum plot from the article that you mention was made with a resolution bandwidth of 1.0 kHz, while the FCC regulations specify a resolution bandwidth of 300 Hz. This would seem to make the -30dB IBOC sideband level shown in the spectrum plot super conservative relative to the -25dB requirement, as it would probably read even lower with a 300 Hz resolution bandwidth. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Apr 21 14:59:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 21:59:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 37116 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 21:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 21:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 21:59:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2003 21:59:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:59:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Was "Keepin the ball rollin'" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1993 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.199 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > p.s. John, in this thread I have had trouble determining whether you > are merely curious about the nature of the Omega tuner or if you are > purposely trying to be suspicious of its design and implementation. > You are often skeptical of many things discussed here, and that is > your prerogative, but sometimes it gets to the level where it > appears that you have some sort of underlying agenda. If that is > the case, you might as well be open about it, as I don't think the > rest of us here are trying to disguise our beliefs or intentions. Yes, I was merely curious about the "Omega" feature, or what it was supposed to do for you, especially if it was a feature of the Fanfare tuner, as I have been giving serious consideration to purchasing one. Now that I have a handle on what it is/does, I know that it is a feature that is irrelevant to my requirements for a tuner, so there is no reason to be suspicious of its design or implementation, as it is irrelevant to me. By that I am not saying there is anything wrong with the "Omega" feature, but simply that it is an extraneous feature from my perspective, although others may find it a very valuable feature to have. I think that is about as open as I can be about it. The bottom line is I am thinking of buying a Fanfare tuner, and wanted to know if the "Omega" feature was anything of concern to me. I have determined that it isn't, and in fact the impression I have from this discussion is that the "Omega" feature isn't even part of the technology used in the Fanfare tuner, what more can I say? The problem seems to have been that in the discussion during the last couple of days there were several misleading comments made about "Omega", not intentionally so, but misleading nevertheless, while through it all Marv remained his usual inscrutable self, making little meaningful effort to clarify the issue. John From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Apr 21 16:47:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 21 Apr 2003 23:47:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 57450 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2003 23:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2003 23:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2003 23:47:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2003 23:47:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 23:47:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Memorex BoomBalls Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c30850$64fb42e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 617 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > I got a supply of the Memorex Boomballs today, if anyone wanted one. These > have become impossible to find, but our local Target transferred some from > another store to the Middletown store. I have added the AM Stereo decoders > to them already, and the cost including US mail or UPS is $59.00 (I only > have 5...) > Chris For anyone interested, there are three in the Kingston NY Target for $19.95 I know Chris is up that way... may want to check it out. Saw them Saturday night while up there visiting relatives for Easter. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 19:20:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 02:20:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 8266 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 02:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 02:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 02:20:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2003 02:20:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 02:20:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Was "Keepin the ball rollin'" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3351 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.223 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: =snip= > Yes, I was merely curious about the "Omega" feature, or what it was > supposed to do for you, especially if it was a feature of the Fanfare > tuner, as I have been giving serious consideration to purchasing one. It might be in a future tuner. > Now that I have a handle on what it is/does, I know that it is a > feature that is irrelevant to my requirements for a tuner, so there is > no reason to be suspicious of its design or implementation, as it is > irrelevant to me. By that I am not saying there is anything wrong > with the "Omega" feature, but simply that it is an extraneous feature > from my perspective, although others may find it a very valuable > feature to have. I think that is about as open as I can be about it. I'm not entirely sure if you do have a handle on what Omega's technology is or does, but then again, you are correct: you aren't terribly concerned about the improvement in listenable reception this technology does, as gleamed from posts elsewhere in this forum, especially in the various skywave discussions. As I see it, it just seems to me that AM is irrelevant to you, except in the matter of curiosity in "obsolete" technologies. Just my impression, though, as even my opinion is more-or-less irrelevant, since I'm neither an expert nor a professional in the fields of radio and/or electronics engineering, nor have I ever claimed to be. > The bottom line is I am thinking of buying a Fanfare tuner, and wanted > to know if the "Omega" feature was anything of concern to me. I have > determined that it isn't, and in fact the impression I have from this > discussion is that the "Omega" feature isn't even part of the > technology used in the Fanfare tuner, what more can I say? This is what I know, and all I can tell you: Fanfare is considering the technology, and has been conducting evaluations of its own for this past year. Since the technology is itself in the patent process (and it takes a few years from file to patent), the technology probably won't become public knowledge until the patent is issued, for industrial security reasons. Very common practice in the electronics industry. > The problem seems to have been that in the discussion during the last > couple of days there were several misleading comments made about > "Omega", not intentionally so, but misleading nevertheless, while > through it all Marv remained his usual inscrutable self, making little > meaningful effort to clarify the issue. Not at all unlike you, and perhaps for similar reasons. At least I understand where Marv is coming from. Even I have reason to be deliberately vague about some things, which I really don't need or desire to go through. I do, however, agree with Kevin, here, that thinly-veiled insinuations do raise some concern here. Whether you are right or wrong, you give the impression of being perhaps uncomfortably adversarial, with the reactions by myself and others reflecting that impression, whether intended or not. I have said my peace on this particular matter, I will say no more concerning it, and continue focusing on why I'm here and what I'm interested in: analog AM stereo, in all its myriad forms and the experience thereof. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Apr 21 21:55:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 04:55:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 74651 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 04:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 04:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 04:55:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2003 04:55:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 04:55:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Was "Keepin the ball rollin'" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3191 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > As I see it, it just > seems to me that AM is irrelevant to you, except in the matter of > curiosity in "obsolete" technologies. No, that is incorrect, AM is not irrelevant to me, I consider AM to be an important local medium, it is only AM "DX" that is irrelevant to me, and even that isn't quite true, as the presence of the skywave is a bane on the medium that it would be better without. > Since the technology is itself in the patent process > (and it takes a few years from file to patent), the technology > probably won't become public knowledge until the patent is issued, > for industrial security reasons. Very common practice in the > electronics industry. I believe your view of the patent process is somewhat distorted. It is not uncommon for just the reverse of what you are saying to be true. Patents are often applied for specifically for the purpose of allowing a public disclosure of a technology, without losing the rights to the technology. The patent system in the US is different than that in most if not all of the rest of the world. There was an effort a couple of years ago to bring the US patent system into line with the rest of the world, I don't know if that ever came to fruition or not. In any case the US system was, and may still be, based on what is called the "first to invent". The patent system in the rest of the world is based on the "first to file" principle, which is obviously a lot simpler and more straight forward, as it is much easier to identify when a patent is filed, than when the subject matter was actually invented. I don't believe the actual issuing of the patent has much to do with anything, except in the US system, the application is, or was, confidential between you and the patent office until the patent actually issued. I am fairly certain that in the rest of the world, the subject matter of the patent application becomes public knowledge upon filing, although I could be wrong on that last point, but assuming I am not, if a company has filed in a country outside the US, the information became public when they filed the patent. A company may have valid reasons for wanting to keep a technology out of the public eye, but I don't believe those reasons have a lot to do with whether or not a patent that has been applied for has issued yet. If companies waited for patents to issue they would miss their market opportunity, and go out of business sooner rather than later. > I do, however, agree with Kevin, here, that thinly-veiled > insinuations do raise some concern here. Whether you are right or > wrong, you give the impression of being perhaps uncomfortably > adversarial, with the reactions by myself and others reflecting that > impression, whether intended or not. Would you care to point out those "thinly-veiled insinuations", I try to be up front? I think you are simply reacting to the fact that I think IBOC is the cats pajamas, and the future of AM stereo, and that I have no use for AM listening via skywave, and consider the skywave to be a bane on the MW band. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 22:36:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 05:36:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 8352 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 05:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 05:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 05:36:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2003 05:36:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:36:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FM IBOC "hash" Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1643 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.131 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here in New Jersey, the seasonal FM DXing was very good this past night, with stations from hundreds of miles away coming in clearly, filling in almost all the gaps between the local stations and even completely drowning out a few of the semi-local stations. That is, except for 102.5 and 102.9 MHz, on which I heard nothing except a white noise "hiss", as you would hear from a totally blank FM frequency. But wait a minute, whatever happened to 102.9 WMGK from Philadelphia, which I used to receive clearly all the time? Or the DX of stations on 102.5 MHz which I used to get in the past in similar atmospheric conditions? Thus, I think it is no coincidence that right between these channels, 102.7 WNEW in New York City is transmitting IBOC/"HD Radio".... Therefore, the "blank channel hiss" I am hearing on the adjacent channels is actually the FM version of IBOC "hash"! It's really quite sneaky, because this "hash" manifests itself as the same kind of sound we've heard for decades on the FM band -- only it is now a *transmitted* form of this white noise, rather than simply a byproduct of FM reception of an unoccupied frequency. There's a post office just a few miles from my house that used to have 102.9 WMGK playing on a boom-box in the back room. The reception was weak but consistently clear and listenable. Now, I guess they won't be tuning in that station anymore -- although I also have heard them listening to "Sunny 104.5" from Philly -- another station adjacent to a high-power NYC signal (Q-104.3) that would likewise be wiped out with the "hash" if 104.3 decided to also start using IBOC. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Apr 21 22:56:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 05:56:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 50889 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 05:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 05:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 05:56:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2003 05:56:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:56:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1530 WSAI testing IBOC tonight! (4/19) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 909 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.126 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > What is this "more restrictive mask" you are talking about? Have the > regulations changed in the last couple of years? I will admit my copy > is a couple of years old, guess I will have to try and down load the > latest version from the FCC web site, but somehow I don't expect it to > be any different from the copy I have. > > John I am going by the following image: ftp://209.193.77.58/uploads/nrsc.gif which has a dotted line representing a more restrictive mask. It was my understanding it was used for some kind of splatter test using a white noise type of signal, i.e. signal of continuous level, to test the emission mask of a NRSC compliant transmittion. Obviously the IBOC sidebands are very characteristic of a white noise signal and should meet this greater restriction in order to minimize interference. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 23:04:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 06:04:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 50209 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 06:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 06:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 06:04:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2003 06:04:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 06:04:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NRSC bandwidth regulations vs. IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1955 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.131 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What is this "more restrictive mask" you are talking about? The exact specifications can be found in the file "can-nrsc.pdf" in the PDFs section of the AM Stereo Forum's Files section, but here's the overview: The "more restrictive mask" is applicable when an AM station is transmitting the so-called "Standard Noise Test" signal, which is described as follows: "The purpose of the standard noise test signal is to provide a repeatable analytical test signal which is representative of actual program material used on [analog] AM broadcast stations. The test signal has spectral characteristics simulating typical music programming in average level and in percussive beats." As the document described in greater detail, the Standard Noise Test Signal is a specially weighted and pulsed form of white noise that is to be transmitted by an analog AM station while they are testing their NRSC bandwidth compliance. With this test in progress, their signal has to meet the more restrictive bandwidth regulation, which is shown as the dashed line on this graph: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/nrsc-graph.gif Basically, this more restrictive mask is what the NRSC bandwidth limit *should* have been, since it is more representative of *real-world* analog AM signals, and any analog AM station which is using a ~10 kHz "NRSC" audio filter should have no trouble meeting it. And in this regard, the current form of the IBOC system would *not* meet this standard unless the primary digital sidebands were reduced in level by at least 6 to 8 dB. I have personally observed WOR transmitting their IBOC sidebands both at this reduced level and at "full blast", and there *is* a significant difference. At "full blast", nearby stations on the dial will be completely obliterated by the interference, while at the reduced level, they usually will still be listenable, although still with an annoying level of background noise. From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon Apr 21 23:25:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 06:25:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 94390 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 06:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 06:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 06:25:34 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030422062530.LUWH10818.fed1mtao03.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 02:25:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 23:25:36 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} FM IBOC "hash" Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3A71DD8A-748B-11D7-BCE4-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner That's what I don't get. KROQ/Los Angeles (106.7 FM) is supposed to be broadcasting IBOC, yet 106.5 comes in as good as before, even in the car, out of San Diego. I wonder if KROQ really isn't turning on the IBOC. I tried writing to a source I know there, but there was no reply. On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 10:36 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > Here in New Jersey, the seasonal FM DXing was very good this past > night, with stations from hundreds of miles away coming in clearly, > filling in almost all the gaps between the local stations and even > completely drowning out a few of the semi-local stations. > > That is, except for 102.5 and 102.9 MHz, on which I heard nothing > except a white noise "hiss", as you would hear from a totally blank > FM frequency. But wait a minute, whatever happened to 102.9 WMGK > from Philadelphia, which I used to receive clearly all the time? Or > the DX of stations on 102.5 MHz which I used to get in the past in > similar atmospheric conditions? > > Thus, I think it is no coincidence that right between these channels, > 102.7 WNEW in New York City is transmitting IBOC/"HD Radio".... > Therefore, the "blank channel hiss" I am hearing on the adjacent > channels is actually the FM version of IBOC "hash"! It's really > quite sneaky, because this "hash" manifests itself as the same kind > of sound we've heard for decades on the FM band -- only it is now a > *transmitted* form of this white noise, rather than simply a > byproduct of FM reception of an unoccupied frequency. > > There's a post office just a few miles from my house that used to > have 102.9 WMGK playing on a boom-box in the back room. The > reception was weak but consistently clear and listenable. Now, I > guess they won't be tuning in that station anymore -- although I also > have heard them listening to "Sunny 104.5" from Philly -- another > station adjacent to a high-power NYC signal (Q-104.3) that would > likewise be wiped out with the "hash" if 104.3 decided to also start > using IBOC. > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty > Dollars for Trying! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Apr 22 01:14:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 08:14:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 6317 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 08:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 08:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 08:14:32 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.189.183f07e0 (4468) for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 04:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <189.183f07e0.2bd653e2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 04:14:26 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC and the rules To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih No...NRSC codes were written for ANALOG ONLY. The use of IBOC is actually a violation of NRSC guidelines. It's time that the commercial broadcast industry write off IBOC as a major disaster, and focus more on introducing DSP technology instead. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 05:43:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 12:43:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 5372 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 12:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 12:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 12:43:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20030422124357.43508.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:43:57 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: My Opinion Only To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio My opinion / summary regarding the Omega technology system: would you like to be able to set your portable AM radio next to your computer and be able to hear decent AM broadcasts without all the computer 'hash'? Would you like to keep your automobile AM station reception above the noise floor and have quality reception even under a bridge/viaduct/overpass? I know that I would, and I firmly believe that's what Omega will do for us. Omega doesn't cost the broadcaster 5 cents, all they need to do is to transmit a decent sounding AM (stereo/AMAX) signal, and Omega will dig the station out of the noisy RF environment. Broadcasters could save a whole lot of money by encouraging better receiver standards (Omega/AMAX)instead of adding expensive IBOC hissers to the AM band. The only reason I can see why broadcasters are wasting money on IBOC is to 'feel like they're in control' of the broadcasting situation, rather than relying on the receiver manufacturers to make a quality product. I'm quite surprised ClearChannel hasn't gotten into the radio receiver manufacturing business, as they could control the receivers that way. They could even sell them at a loss with technology that only makes their stations sound 'good'! The FTC lets CCC do whatever they want, so why doesn't CCC make radios like WLW's Crosley did many moons ago? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From mwdx@gentoo.net Tue Apr 22 07:42:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwdx@gentoo.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 14:42:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 31958 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 14:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 14:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay2.lanl.gov) (128.165.4.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 14:42:48 -0000 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h3MEglZ3021617 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:42:47 -0600 Received: from gentoo.net (romulus.lanl.gov [128.165.209.40]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h3MEgMmp020827 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:42:30 -0600 Message-ID: <3EA55505.1090106@gentoo.net> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:43:17 -0600 Organization: Pojoaque Medium Wave DXers Club User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, es, zh-cn, af, sq, ar, ar-dz, ar-bh, ar-eg, ar-iq, ar-jo, ar-kw, ar-lb, ar-ly, ar-ma, ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye, hy, ast, eu, be, bs, bg, ca, zh, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, hr, cs, da, nl, nl-be, en-au, en-bz, en-ca, en-ie, en-jm, en-nz, en-ph, en-za, en-tt, en-gb, en-zw, eo, et, fo, fi, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch, gl, ka, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, hu, is, id, in, ga, it, it-ch, ja, ko, ko-kp, ko-kr, lv, lt, mk-mk, ms, no, nb, nn, pl, pt, pt-br, ro, ru, gd, sr, sk, sl, sb, es-ar, es-bo, es-cl, es-co, es-cr, es-do, es-ec, es-sv, es-gt, es-hn, es-mx, es-ni, es-pa, es-py, es-pe, es-pr, es-es, es-uy, es-ve, sv, sv-fi, th, tr, uk, vi, cy, xh, yi, zu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Opinion Only References: <20030422124357.43508.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030422124357.43508.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mike Westfall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118377141 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6kuy Heh. Trade in your CC radio for a CCC radio! That'll be the day.... -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Apr 22 07:45:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 14:45:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 86815 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 14:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 14:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 14:45:03 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:45:03 -0600 Message-ID: <003e01c308dd$e204b5e0$5401010a@AM> To: References: <20030422124357.43508.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> <3EA55505.1090106@gentoo.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Opinion Only Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:45:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Westfall To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:43 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Opinion Only Heh. Trade in your CC radio for a CCC radio! That'll be the day.... -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 10:22:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 17:22:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 77984 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 17:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 17:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 17:22:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2003 17:22:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:22:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: eBay finds Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 483 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Sony SRF-A100 in mint condition: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3019304330 Realistic TM-152 new in box: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3019966941 Rotel RT-830 tuner... not sure if it has AM Stereo, but it does appear to have at least hi-fi mono AM with selectable bandwidth -- should make an easy and good conversion to AM Stereo if it is not already equipped: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3020001789 From mwradio@gmx.net Tue Apr 22 11:53:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 18:53:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 59296 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 18:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 18:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1.ispmail.dnbsi.com) (198.136.194.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 18:53:26 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool197-158.nas11.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.197.158]) by m1.ispmail.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BA3E8FBF4 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007901c30900$7246d300$06630780@espositojm2> To: Subject: OT: MP3 Editor? Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:53:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a few radio recordings that I have captured in .mp3 format. What is the easiest method/program to use to cut out commercial? I use totalrecorder to capture the .mp3 recordings. Are there any programs that allow splicing of an open .mp3 file? I don't like to edit, cut, and then rejoin multiple files. Thanks, Joe Esposito York, PA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 14:26:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 21:26:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 30769 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 21:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 21:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 21:26:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2003 21:26:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:26:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: MP3 Editor? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007901c30900$7246d300$06630780@espositojm2> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1321 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.161 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have a few radio recordings that I have captured in .mp3 format. > What is the easiest method/program to use to cut out commercial? "MP3Trim" probably comes the closest to what you want. It is designed to let you trim the beginning and end of MP3 files (to remove the lead-in and lead-out silence typical of songs directly "ripped" from CD), but if you make multiple copies of the MP3 file and then do some careful trimming you can get the desired results. Once you're done you can splice the separate MP3 files into a single file -- assuming it has no "ID3" tags -- by using this DOS command: COPY /B part1.mp3+part2.mp3+part3.mp3 complete.mp3 This will splice together "part1.mp3", "part2.mp3", and "part3.mp3" into a single file called "complete.mp3". You can add on additional parts to the merge as appropriate -- just keep putting + signs between the files to merge, and don't forget the /B switch in front. MP3Trim can be found here: http://www.logiccell.com/~mp3trim/ Another important feature of MP3Trim is the volume normalization. Many MP3 files actually exceed the maximum allowable volume level when they're encoded, causing "clipping"; thankfully, the MP3 format has a *lossless* way to increase or decrease the loudness in the file to a desired level below the point of clipping. From amstereorules@msn.com Tue Apr 22 15:36:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 22:36:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 82270 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 22:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 22:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 22:36:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2003 22:36:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:36:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Keeping the ball rollin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 547 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >As for the Omega design, it will debut in its own time. However, >like I said a while back, I would not expect to see the schematic in >Popular Electronics, or anywhere else for that matter. No, you won't see it in Popular Electronics, since it is out of print for 10 years, bought by Radio Electronics, which changed name to PopTronix; their January '03 was their last issue. If you want to read electronic magazine here, you need to read Nuts & Volts from Fortuna, California. There are a few eletronics mags publishing in Australia too. From amstereorules@msn.com Tue Apr 22 15:58:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 22:58:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 50183 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 22:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 22:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 22:58:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2003 22:58:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:58:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WSAI transmitting IBOC again Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 494 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: >And speaking of WLW, does anybody know if they're still using IBOC >during the daytime? At this point I don't think Clear Channel would >pay for two sets of IBOC equipment in one city, so if WLW is no >longer using it, they might have simply swapped the IBOC exciter >over to WSAI. Lucent supplied WLW with a test encoder setup last summer, so that night- time interference could be studied between WOR and WLW. From amstereorules@msn.com Tue Apr 22 16:19:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 23:19:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 65229 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 23:17:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 23:17:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 23:17:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2003 23:17:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:17:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC and the rules Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <189.183f07e0.2bd653e2@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: >It's time that the commercial broadcast >industry write off IBOC as a major disaster, and focus more on >introducing DSP technology instead. Where were you guys for the past 10 years when Lucent was developing their IBOC on the MW band? Bottom line is that the Mr Consumer wants the least costly radio for the job, and this IBOC thing will be a huge disappointment to Lucent in 10 years. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 16:45:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 23:45:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 34493 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 23:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 23:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 23:45:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2003 23:45:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:45:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC and the rules Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 596 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 207.200.161.55 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Bottom line is that the Mr Consumer wants the least costly radio > for the job, and this IBOC thing will be a huge disappointment to > Lucent in 10 years. I hate to break it to you, but Lucent has been a huge disappointment to *itself* in the past few years! BTW, "amstereorules", may we have a more personable clue to your identity? You can even create a nickname or pseudonym for yourself, if you wish... but I think that a lot of us here would be more comfortable talking to somebody named "Bill" or "George" or "Jennifer", rather than the entity known as "amstereorules". Kevin T. From marcelo@radioclube.com.br Tue Apr 22 16:49:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: marcelo@radioclube.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 23:49:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 37832 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 23:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 23:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 23:49:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2003 23:49:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:49:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC x AM STEREO Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 117 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jo=E3o_Marcelo_Franchozza?= X-Originating-IP: 200.171.247.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=114404417 X-Yahoo-Profile: marcelo_franchozza Somebody can explain to me which is the advantages and disadvantages between the IBOC and the AM stereo? Thank you. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 16:51:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 23:51:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 54915 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 23:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 23:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41004.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.3) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 23:51:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20030422235119.65060.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.86.249.115] by web41004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:51:19 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1090 WILD AM Stereo Boston To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <009a01c30843$1376ce10$6401a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Jeff, What are we talking about for file size? Someone will probably post it to the MP3 section of the AMS website. Nice to know you got a radio. By the way, are you going to the P.R.A.? 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Apr 22 17:19:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 00:19:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 90962 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 00:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 00:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 00:19:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 00:19:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:19:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC x AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 299 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.254 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g IBOC is a digital AM stereo system with all the advantages that=20 confers upon it. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Jo=E3o Marcelo Franchozza < marcelo@r...> wrote: > Somebody can explain to me which is the advantages and disadvantages=20 > between the IBOC and the AM stereo? Thank you. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 17:20:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 00:20:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 69320 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 00:20:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 00:20:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 00:20:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 00:19:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:19:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC and the rules Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1007 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.223 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > >It's time that the commercial broadcast > >industry write off IBOC as a major disaster, and focus more on > >introducing DSP technology instead. > Where were you guys for the past 10 years when Lucent was > developing their IBOC on the MW band? Bottom line is that the > Mr Consumer wants the least costly radio for the job, and this > IBOC thing will be a huge disappointment to Lucent in 10 years. Yet another in a string of disasters for Lucent, a company that since its divestiture from AT&T (the former Bell Labs), has had a string of failures, and a poor stock investment record. Why anyone would invest in this vastly-overpriced technology from a company with a dismal track record is way beyond me. And other than the codecs used, there really isn't anything that makes IBOC so special to warrant such high costs and fees. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Apr 22 17:30:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 00:30:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 38582 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 00:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 00:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 00:30:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 00:30:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:30:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC and the rules Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 624 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.254 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > BTW, "amstereorules", may we have a more personable clue to your > identity? You can even create a nickname or pseudonym for yourself, > if you wish... but I think that a lot of us here would be more > comfortable talking to somebody named "Bill" or "George" or > "Jennifer", rather than the entity known as "amstereorules". I don't know, we seem to be comfortable talking to mice here, although one of my cats, who often watches me type, drools when he sees mention of the mouse. What's so great about using a traditional name? John From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 17:34:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 00:34:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 11768 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 00:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 00:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 00:34:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 00:34:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:34:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC and the rules Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 563 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.223 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Bottom line is that the Mr Consumer wants the least costly radio > > for the job, and this IBOC thing will be a huge disappointment to > > Lucent in 10 years. > > I hate to break it to you, but Lucent has been a huge disappointment > to *itself* in the past few years! As I have repeatedly pointed out for some time. Lucent/iBiquity is a bad investment based on past history, so anything that comes from Lucent (even as "iBiquity"), I would be skeptical about. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From marcelo@radioclube.com.br Tue Apr 22 17:37:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: marcelo@radioclube.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 00:37:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 41380 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 00:37:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 00:37:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 00:37:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 00:37:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:37:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Research IBOC x AM STEREO - It also votes you!!! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 53 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jo=E3o_Marcelo_Franchozza?= X-Originating-IP: 200.171.247.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=114404417 X-Yahoo-Profile: marcelo_franchozza http://www3.enquetes.com.br/popenquete.asp?id=318095 From jlehmann@attbi.com Tue Apr 22 18:00:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlehmann@attbi.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 01:00:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 30513 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 01:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 01:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc02.attbi.com) (204.127.202.62) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 01:00:19 -0000 Received: from amd (h00045a211584.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.30.163.53]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02) with SMTP id <2003042300004200200o1690e>; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:00:42 +0000 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1090 WILD AM Stereo Boston Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:01:10 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c3092b$72ddd450$6401a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <20030422235119.65060.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal From: "Jeff Lehmann" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=98257848 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn It=92s 2.62 Megs. It seems like their audio is a little stronger in the left side, for some reason. I checked my radio on WJIB, so I know it's not my radio. 73 Jeff Lehmann - N1ZZN -----Original Message----- From: JNR [mailto:a1asurfradio@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 7:51 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1090 WILD AM Stereo Boston Jeff, What are we talking about for file size?=A0 Someone will probably post it to the MP3 section of the AMS website.=A0 Nice to know you got a radio.=A0 By the way, are you going to the P.R.A.? 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 19:23:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 02:23:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 4921 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 02:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 02:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 02:23:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 02:23:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:23:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC IS NOT TRUE STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 539 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.161 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > IBOC is a digital AM stereo system with all the advantages that > confers upon it. As well as all the _disadvantages_, as anybody with a digital cell phone is very much aware. And in its current form, IBOC on the AM band can hardly be called "stereo", because all audio content above 4 kHz is encoded and received in MONO. Out of the complete 15 kHz audio response it offers, that means only about a QUARTER of it is "stereo"! To me, that's like having color on only 1/4th of your TV screen -- would you call that "Color TV"? From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Apr 22 20:06:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 03:06:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 52283 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 03:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 03:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 03:06:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 03:06:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:06:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC and the rules Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 622 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.131.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > >It's time that the commercial broadcast > >industry write off IBOC as a major disaster, and focus more on > >introducing DSP technology instead. > Where were you guys for the past 10 years when Lucent was > developing their IBOC on the MW band? Bottom line is that the > Mr Consumer wants the least costly radio for the job, and this > IBOC thing will be a huge disappointment to Lucent in 10 years. Yea, Lucent probably bet the farm on IBOC and it may break them. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Apr 22 20:19:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 03:19:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 71911 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 03:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 03:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 03:19:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 03:19:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:19:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC x AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 822 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.131.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > IBOC is a digital AM stereo system with all the advantages that > confers upon it. > > John > Read As: IBOC is a digital AM stereo system with all the DISadvantages that confers upon it. It shouldn't even be called AM since the carrier is there for the analog sidebands to beat against. The IBOC sidebands could be received without the carrier. The only purpose for the carrier is for the PLL to lock onto which could be replaced by a burst signal like they do for NTSC color subcarrier. At 35kbps the actual reproducable fidelity is not even better than analog AM and is only stereo to 4KHz. The mono part is only real to 4KHz and the rest is synthetic. The sound quality of the GE SupeRadio III on a local station blows IBOC away. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Apr 22 20:21:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 03:21:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 84920 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 03:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 03:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 03:21:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 03:21:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:21:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC and the rules Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.131.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: Why anyone would invest > in this vastly-overpriced technology from a company with a dismal > track record is way beyond me. And other than the codecs used, there > really isn't anything that makes IBOC so special to warrant such high > costs and fees. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Maybe these fees are the bailout for Lucent. JSG From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Apr 22 20:30:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 03:30:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 91330 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 03:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 03:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (207.169.189.136) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 03:30:40 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy.eds.com [192.85.216.78]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h3N3UdK18519 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:30:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3N3Ubv01074 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:30:37 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3N3Ual01066 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:30:37 +1000 (EST) Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <2Y7Q8YFQ>; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:30:36 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F46F60@aubwm206> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Less than flattering FM IBOC report from Australia Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:30:36 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 http://www.aba.gov.au/abanews/conf/2002/papers/Gengaroli_2.pdf Some Quotes: The NRSC evaluated the data provided by ATTC and concluded that: "Listeners should not perceive an impact on the analog host signal, nor on the analog signals of carriers that are either co-channel or 2ndadjacent channel (+/- 400 kHz) with respect to the IBOC signal !" HOWEVER!! A limited number of listeners may perceive an impact outside the protected area on the analog signals of carriers that are 1stadjacent channel (+/- 200 kHz) with respect to the IBOC signal. The objective test results (attachment A) on IBOC interference to the host analog, shows that there is negligible effect on very selective receivers (automotive) but a reduction in audio signal-to- noise of up to 10-15 dB can result with less selective receivers (home stereos and portable receivers). The outcome of the field tests resulted in iBiquity concluding that, with IBOC turned on and off, listeners did not perceive any meaningful difference from the introduction of IBOC. In all receiver types tested, it was identified from objective testing that analog audio quality was reduced when IBOC digital sidebands were present on a 1st adjacent channel. The NRSC specifically identified that the audio quality of the analog aftermarket automotive radio, under moderate interference conditions was reduced from good to poor. Field test results indicate that there is some potential impact on analog first adjacent channels, but analysis of listening patterns conclude the number of affected listeners to be exceedingly small with, on average, only 0.6% of an FM stations existing analog listeners experiencing any impact from the introduction of IBOC. The NRSC identified that one of the greatest compatibility challenges facing FM IBOC was addressing the 1stadjacent channel interference potential to an existing analog service. This was after evaluating data in respect to moderate interference (+16 to +6 dB D/U) from subjective evaluation of audio in the field (speech programming). As outlined above, the interference levels on which FM services are planned in Australia for 1stadjacent channels are 25 dB D/U for continuous interference and 17 dB D/U for tropospheric interference. The moderate interference signal of +16 dB D/U used in IBOC tests, that causes a degrading of audio quality is very similar to the protection requirement that required in Australian where +17 dB D/U is required for protection against tropospheric interference. Given a similar protection ratio (D/U), it is assumed that subjective assessment of audio quality with a moderate interference signal of +16 dB (D/U) would result in similar results in Australian under tropospheric interference conditions. The test results show that with analog 1stadjacent channel interference, at a D/U of +6 and +16 dB, there is no difference in audio signal-to-noise with very selective receivers but the less selective receivers benefit from the greater protection ratio (D/U). With IBOC digital 1stadjacent channel interference at 6 dB (D/U), there is approximately a 20 dB reduction in audio signal-to-noise with very selective receivers whilst at 16 dB (D/U) there is an approximate 10 dB reduction. This reduction becomes approximately 10 dB and 3 dB respectively when the channel is subject to Additive White Gaussian Noise (AWGN) at a level of 30,000K. The addition of a background noise component to RF signals under test has been done to make the subjective evaluation more realistic and comparable to real world conditions. The NRSC concluded that the tradeoffs, necessary for adoption of FM IBOC in the USA, are relatively minor. One tradeoff identified is that that a small decrease in signal-to-noise will be evident to some listeners in localized areas, where 1stadjacent stations operating with the FM IBOC system, overlap the coverage of the desired analog station. Conclusion: The IBOC spectral emission, in all three modes of operation, falls within the emission standard for the Australian FM Sound Broadcasting Service. Objective test results conclude that on introduction of a Hybrid IBOC digital transmission there is potential for reduction of the host analog audio quality in home stereo receivers and portable radio receivers by a substantial reduction in the signal-to-noise. This should not be noticeable in car radio receivers (very selective receivers). Subjective assessments in the US broadcasting environment did not perceive any meaningful difference from the introduction of IBOC on the host analog audio quality. Objective test results conclude that on introduction of a Hybrid IBOC digital transmission there is potential for reduction of the 1stadjacent analog audio quality, in car radio receivers, by a reduction in the audio signal-to-noise. The reduction in audio quality was recorded in objective test results and experienced in the subjective assessments conducted in the US. This effect is not expected to be as great in Australia as a higher protection ratio is used in planning for protection against 1stadjacent channel interference. Nevertheless, objective and subjective test results show that a reduction in audio signal-to-noise results, and therefore the effect that this will have on Australian listening patterns will need to be assessed. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 20:40:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 03:40:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 22738 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 03:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 03:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41001.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.0) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 03:40:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20030423034056.71489.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.166] by web41001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:40:56 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1090 WILD AM Stereo Boston To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001601c3092b$72ddd450$6401a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio At least they're still stereo. They were supposed to go IBOC during Q1 of '03. 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Tue Apr 22 20:49:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41626 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 03:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 03:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 03:49:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 03:49:22 -0000 Date: 23 Apr 2003 03:49:21 -0000 Message-ID: <1051069761.145108.2187.w55@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/1090wild.mp3 Uploaded by : n1zzn Description : 1090 WILD in Boston, MA. Recorded on April 21, 2003 on a Sangean SR-66 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/1090wild.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, n1zzn From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 00:37:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 07:37:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 67881 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 07:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 07:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 07:37:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 07:37:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 07:37:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC and the rules Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 296 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.94 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: =snip= > Yea, Lucent probably bet the farm on IBOC > and it may break them. Anybody want to use a technology made by an eventually-defunct business that will remain proprietary for another decade at least? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 00:45:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 07:45:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 57796 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 07:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 07:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 07:45:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 07:45:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 07:45:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC and the rules Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 566 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.161 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Anybody want to use a technology made by an eventually-defunct > business that will remain proprietary for another decade at least? IBOC is the Digital Compact Cassette of the 2000s. Lots of hype, lots of promise, lots of bickering... and in the end, nothing except a big flop and a big money waste. 10 years after it turned out to be a failure, DCC is now no more than a small footnote in the history of recording media, and a small speed bump in the continued popularity of the analog medium it tried to replace. Where will IBOC be 10 years from now? From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Apr 23 01:02:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 08:02:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 91892 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 08:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 08:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 08:02:07 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.171]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 04:00:29 -0400 Message-ID: <007301c3096e$c00aed60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: DCC (was IBOC and the rules) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 04:02:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Having worked with DCC and DAT since its inception (on the service end), I can say one problem was the reliability. The systems were frought with problems since day 1. Using a spinning head, like a camcorder, the alignment was a nightmare. Portables fared worse. One hard thump, and it was to the scrap heap. Todays "solid stae memory" systems are SO much better, and in time, more space will become the norm. The HD based Archos type units are nice, but again, dealing with a hard drive means moving parts, which mean sudden and catastrophic failure is only a thump away. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Apr 23 06:37:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 13:37:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 51667 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 13:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 13:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 13:37:41 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 07:37:38 -0600 Message-ID: <003301c3099d$a6f6e660$5401010a@AM> To: References: <007901c30900$7246d300$06630780@espositojm2> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: MP3 Editor? Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 07:38:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can see what you're trying to do, Joe. And CoolEdit is probably going to be your best bet. It's one of the only ones that I know of that will actually "open up" the mp3. Otherwise, you have to convert the mp3 to a wav file, THEN you can use any kind of audio editing software to edit the wav file.....then you convert the wav file back over to an mp3. CoolEdit will take the mp3, open it up and you'll see the waveform on the screen just like a wav file. Do your editing and then just save it as an mp3 again. I'm surprised Kevin didn't suggest this beging the cooledit guru that he is. Then again, maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to do. Sounds like you have a few mp3 files that are recordings of radio stuff. You want to edit out the commercials. CE sounds like the way to go to me. MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Esposito To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: {AMSF} OT: MP3 Editor? I have a few radio recordings that I have captured in .mp3 format. What is the easiest method/program to use to cut out commercial? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Apr 23 06:54:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 13:54:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 92714 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 13:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 13:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 13:54:09 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 07:54:09 -0600 Message-ID: <006201c3099f$f5553d00$5401010a@AM> To: References: <001601c3092b$72ddd450$6401a8c0@AMD> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1090 WILD AM Stereo Boston Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 07:55:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds good Jeff! Nice job! Actually sounds like you're getting a little more high-end out of your SR-66 than usual. Mine seems a little more muddy than what this MP3 sounds like. Also, can I feel free to post this one up to the AM Stereo FTP site? Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Lehmann To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 6:01 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1090 WILD AM Stereo Boston It's 2.62 Megs. It seems like their audio is a little stronger in the left side, for some reason. I checked my radio on WJIB, so I know it's not my radio. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 09:01:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 16:01:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 60247 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 16:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 16:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 16:01:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 16:00:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:00:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: MP3 Editor? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c3099d$a6f6e660$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 783 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > CoolEdit will take the mp3, open it up and you'll see the waveform > on the screen just like a wav file. Do your editing and then just > save it as an mp3 again. When you do that, it has to *re-encode* the MP3 file, which causes a quality loss that is often quite drastic. Many programs can convert an MP3 file into a WAV file, upon which use you use Cool Edit or any other audio editing program, but once you're done editing the only way to not cause any quality loss is to keep it as an uncompressed WAV file. Sometimes you can get away with re-encoding at high bit-rates (256 or 320 kbps) because the quality loss is not too bad. But otherwise, the MP3Trim program provides as much editing as you can do *losslessly* to an MP3 file, without having to re-encode it. From fanfare@globility.com Wed Apr 23 09:32:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 16:32:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 72560 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 16:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 16:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 16:32:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 16:31:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:31:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: MP3 Editor? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1032 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.46 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > CoolEdit will take the mp3, open it up and you'll see the waveform > > on the screen just like a wav file. Do your editing and then just > > save it as an mp3 again. > > When you do that, it has to *re-encode* the MP3 file, which causes a > quality loss that is often quite drastic. Many programs can convert > an MP3 file into a WAV file, upon which use you use Cool Edit or any > other audio editing program, but once you're done editing the only > way to not cause any quality loss is to keep it as an uncompressed > WAV file. I'm not that conversant yet with Coll Edit, but wouldn't Joe be able to convert an .mp3 file in Cool Edit to a .wav, then save the edited as a .wav and also convert the edited .wav to an .mp3? It's kinda like resaving(uncompressing) a .jpg to a .tif, doing the edit, then saving the edited file as both a .tif and a .jpg ... the .tif for further edits and the .jpg for distribution, etc. MS From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 09:56:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 16:56:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 71303 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 16:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 16:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 16:56:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 16:56:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:56:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: MP3 Editor? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1049 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > convert an .mp3 file in Cool Edit to a .wav, then save the edited as a .wav and also convert the edited .wav to an .mp3? Yes, you CAN do that, but whenever you open one compressed file (original MP3, JPG, etc.) and re-save it into another compressed file (MP3, JPG, etc.), there is always a cumulative quality loss. MP3 works by removing parts of the sound that it thinks you can't hear. So when you take an MP3 file, futz around with it, and then re-save it into another MP3 file, the encoding upon re-saving tries to remove *more* of the sound, and if it cuts out too much, then you'll start to hear ugly compression "artifacts". This is the same thing as how JPG works. It blends together parts of the photo that it thinks you can't distinguish, and removes small details that it thinks you can't see. So if you take a JPG file, edit it, and the re-save it as another JPG file, there is always a cumulative quality loss -- unlike GIF, which is a *lossless* compressed image format, at least within its 256-color limit. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 09:57:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 16:57:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 12473 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 16:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 16:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 16:53:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 16:47:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:47:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: MP3 Editor? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c3099d$a6f6e660$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1019 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.94 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > I can see what you're trying to do, Joe. And CoolEdit is probably going to be your best bet. It's one of the only ones that I know of that will actually "open up" the mp3. Otherwise, you have to convert the mp3 to a wav file, THEN you can use any kind of audio editing software to edit the wav file.....then you convert the wav file back over to an mp3. CoolEdit will take the mp3, open it up and you'll see the waveform on the screen just like a wav file. Do your editing and then just save it as an mp3 again. I'm surprised Kevin didn't suggest this beging the cooledit guru that he is. Then again, maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to do. Sounds like you have a few mp3 files that are recordings of radio stuff. You want to edit out the commercials. CE sounds like the way to go to me. I personally use GoldWave (www.goldwave.com) for such editing, and it supports MP3 and OGG. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mwradio@gmx.net Wed Apr 23 10:57:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 17:57:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 63368 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 17:57:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 17:57:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1.ispmail.dnbsi.com) (198.136.194.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 17:57:19 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool196-59.nas11.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.196.59]) by m1.ispmail.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 45C0D8FAE7 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003301c309c1$ae01d680$06630780@espositojm2> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: MP3 Editor? Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:56:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm I definitely want to avoid re-encoding an already low bitrate .mp3 file. I was looking for a program that would work similar to virtualdub but for .mp3 editing. Virtualdub is for .avi editing and it has an option to do a "direct stream" save of the edited avi file which eliminates recompressing. Can this be done in CoolEdit, MP3Trim or Goldwave? I tried the demo of MP3Trim but it doesn't allow editing of larger .mp3 files in demo mode. Thanks, Joe Esposito (York, PA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: MP3 Editor? > > MP3 works by removing parts of the sound that it thinks you can't > hear. So when you take an MP3 file, futz around with it, and then > re-save it into another MP3 file, the encoding upon re-saving tries to > remove *more* of the sound, and if it cuts out too much, then you'll > start to hear ugly compression "artifacts". From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 12:13:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 19:13:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 31651 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 19:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 19:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 19:13:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 19:13:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:13:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: MP3 Editor? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c309c1$ae01d680$06630780@espositojm2> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 682 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.94 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Esposito" wrote: > I definitely want to avoid re-encoding an already low bitrate .mp3 file. > > I was looking for a program that would work similar to virtualdub but for > .mp3 editing. Virtualdub is for .avi editing and it has an option to do a > "direct stream" save of the edited avi file which eliminates recompressing. > > Can this be done in CoolEdit, MP3Trim or Goldwave? I tried the demo of > MP3Trim but it doesn't allow editing of larger .mp3 files in demo mode. Try this- May just be what you're looking for- mp3DirectCut: http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/%7Epesch/ It's free, too. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mwradio@gmx.net Wed Apr 23 12:37:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 19:37:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 8578 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 19:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 19:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1.ispmail.dnbsi.com) (198.136.194.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 19:37:00 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool197-92.nas11.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.197.92]) by m1.ispmail.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 21AA88FC2E for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <011e01c309cf$9ad47140$06630780@espositojm2> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: MP3 Editor? Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:36:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm ----- Original Message ----- From: "amymousie" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:13 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: MP3 Editor? > Try this- May just be what you're looking for- mp3DirectCut: > http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/%7Epesch/ > > It's free, too. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ That's exactly what I was looking for! And it's free and simple to use.... Thanks, Joe Esposito (York, PA) From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Apr 23 13:28:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 20:28:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 26112 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 20:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 20:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 20:28:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 20:28:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:28:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NRSC bandwidth regulations vs. IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 953 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.218 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > What is this "more restrictive mask" you are talking about? > > The exact specifications can be found in the file "can-nrsc.pdf" in > the PDFs section of the AM Stereo Forum's Files section, but here's > the overview: The "more restrictive mask" is applicable when an AM > station is transmitting the so-called "Standard Noise Test" signal, Kevin, thanks for the pointer to the "can-nrsc.pdf" file, I have given it a quick once through, but need to read it through in more detail to understand what it really means. Whatever it means, it isn't clear whether it applies in the U.S., since it appears to be a Canadian document? Since the discussion concerned allegations that the FCC was on the take with respect to IBOC, can any of the broadcasters in the group explain how this "more restrictive mask" relates to compliance with the FCC regulations? John From marcelo@radioclube.com.br Wed Apr 23 16:05:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: marcelo@radioclube.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 23:05:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 94995 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 23:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 23:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 23:05:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 23:05:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:05:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Still it did not vote? IBOC x AM STEREO Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 53 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jo=E3o_Marcelo_Franchozza?= X-Originating-IP: 200.171.246.123 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=114404417 X-Yahoo-Profile: marcelo_franchozza http://www3.enquetes.com.br/popenquete.asp?id=318095 From eh@mad.scientist.com Wed Apr 23 17:05:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: eh@mad.scientist.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Apr 2003 00:05:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 48163 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2003 00:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2003 00:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc53.attbi.com) (204.127.198.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 00:05:33 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (h0004ac962bf6.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.34.138.93]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with SMTP id <20030423231743053001a1jle>; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:17:43 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Electric Brain To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Antenna in Nashua, was Re: {AMSF} 1090 WILD AM Stereo Boston Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:17:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <001601c3092b$72ddd450$6401a8c0@AMD> <006201c3099f$f5553d00$5401010a@AM> In-Reply-To: <006201c3099f$f5553d00$5401010a@AM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200304241834.39715.eirikur1@attbi.com> From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61599074 X-Yahoo-Profile: eirikurh Hi, I'm the happy winner of the eBay auction for that MCS 5030 that some kind soul pointed-out here. The seller is a saint; it's in pristine, perfect, condition, and he packed it superbly. It seems to be a nice unit. I haven't opened it to check the build quality of the circuitry. So, I live maybe 40 miles (crow flies) from Boston..... I'd like to try to get WILD. Last night, using a Grundig Sattelit 700 I was getting Baltimore on 1090, not WILD. The 5030 didn't like a simple 20 foot random wire antenna. It wouldn't get stations that are reasonably strong on AM radios that have good ferrite loop antennas. Does anyone have antenna recommendations? I have not been using an AM tuner prior to this, and have no AM antennas at present. Sad to say, I live in a huge apartment building, on the north side. I can get 680, WRKO, from Boston on the Grundig and my Sangean ATS-803a. SelectAtennas have been mentioned on this group, and I assume that the Radio Shack loop (which has a direct connection option, right?) or the Terk would work. Is there any reason that the Justice amplified dual-ferrite antenna from C. Crane, would not be good for AM stereo? It is tuned, so I imagine it could be too narrow, but that would be surprising to me. Eirikur From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 19:37:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Apr 2003 02:37:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 53591 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2003 02:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2003 02:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 02:37:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2003 02:37:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:37:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Antenna in Nashua, was Re: 1090 WILD AM Stereo Boston Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200304241834.39715.eirikur1@attbi.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1227 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does anyone have antenna recommendations? The MCS-3050 tuner has no built-in AM antenna, and I doubt it would work well with a simple "random wire" antenna unless it is long and placed outdoors. It was designed to work with an AM loop antenna, the kind that most home stereo systems come with these days. A local electronics store might have an extra one on hand, or you could borrow one from somebody who has one of these radios but never listens to AM (blasphemy!). It will give you good reception of local stations and average reception of "DX" signals. A much better choice would be a *tuned* loop antenna, directly wired to the MCS-3050's "AM" and "GND" antenna terminals. I have a Terk "AM Advantage" antenna which comes with a wire to hook it up to a radio's antenna terminals and it works *fabulously* -- with it, my MCS-3050 has the best AM reception of any home tuner that I have ever used!! I believe Radio Shack's tuned loop antenna also has the direct-wired connection and in that case it should also make a good (and inexpensive) choice. There is also the famous Select-A-Tenna, although you have to pay extra for the direct-wired option and that's on top of its already expensive price. From eh@mad.scientist.com Wed Apr 23 20:31:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: eh@mad.scientist.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 24 Apr 2003 03:31:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 90121 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2003 03:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2003 03:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc01.attbi.com) (204.127.202.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 03:31:51 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (h0004ac962bf6.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.34.138.93]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <2003042402522500100e5t8be>; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:52:25 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Electric Brain To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: MCS 3050 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:52:07 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <001601c3092b$72ddd450$6401a8c0@AMD> <006201c3099f$f5553d00$5401010a@AM> <200304241834.39715.eirikur1@attbi.com> In-Reply-To: <200304241834.39715.eirikur1@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200304232252.07677.eh@mad.scientist.com> From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61599074 X-Yahoo-Profile: eirikurh I opened it up and found the insides to have about the expected build quality, but what is really outstanding is the layout. You couldn't ask for better delination of the subsystems or room to work. There's lots of space to add components. The physical build quality is good, with a full metal case for shielding. I like this unit more than I expected. The MCS 3050 is practically ideal for modifying the AM section. The FM front end is a shielded module, which I assume makes it not a unit for FM circuit mods. Is the schematic or service manual still available? From whence? I'm still stuck on the antenna issue. Eirikur From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 24 00:25:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 24 Apr 2003 07:25:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 95539 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2003 07:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2003 07:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 07:25:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2003 07:25:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 07:25:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony tuner on Aussie eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 811 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's something for the folks Down Under... a Sony ST-JX220A AM Stereo/FM Stereo tuner with matching audio amplifier: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3020464689 The ST-JX220A is a high quality multi-system tuner with selectable Wide and Narrow bandwidth and can be set for either 9 or 10 kHz AM channel spacing (with the 9 / 10 kHz whistle filter also switched to match). This model seems to be especially popular with AM Stereo listeners in Australia and Europe, and is known to have good DX reception as well as superb audio quality. p.s. Thanks to Matt Trim for pointing this out to me -- it did not come up on a search of "AM Stereo" at regular www.ebay.com. (Yes, I search eBay nearly every day for AM Stereo-related items, just to be sure I don't miss out on any goodies!) From eh@mad.scientist.com Thu Apr 24 02:04:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: eh@mad.scientist.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 24 Apr 2003 09:04:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 60163 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2003 09:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2003 09:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc51.attbi.com) (204.127.198.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 09:04:37 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (h0004ac962bf6.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.34.138.93]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with SMTP id <200304240802220510018pice>; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 08:02:22 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Electric Brain To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony tuner on Aussie eBay Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 04:02:01 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200304240402.02186.eh@mad.scientist.com> From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61599074 X-Yahoo-Profile: eirikurh Speaking of eBay, there's an MCS 3051 on there, and you'd think it a close relative of the 3050, but it appears to be a lower-end model, without AM stereo. Eirikur From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 24 06:46:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 24 Apr 2003 13:46:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 65015 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2003 13:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2003 13:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 13:46:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20030424134638.50440.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 06:46:38 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 06:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Great Editing with Sony MiniDisc To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The best way by far is to record airchecks onto MiniDisc and then use it's built-in Edit functions to divide and delete commercials (if they're not in stereo!). __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Apr 24 09:35:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 24 Apr 2003 16:35:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 16259 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2003 16:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2003 16:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 16:35:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2003 16:34:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:34:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Great Editing with Sony MiniDisc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030424134638.50440.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 406 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.228 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > The best way by far is to record airchecks onto MiniDisc and then use it's > built-in Edit functions to divide and delete commercials (if they're not in stereo!). I have a MiniDisc now. :) However, I wouldn't cut out commercials, since they often add the local flavor to any aircheck I would record. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 24 10:25:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 24 Apr 2003 17:25:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 76614 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2003 17:25:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2003 17:25:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 17:25:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2003 17:25:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:25:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Great Editing with Sony MiniDisc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1083 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have a MiniDisc now. :) However, I wouldn't cut out commercials since they often add the local flavor to any aircheck I would record. The main advantage of MiniDisc is convenience. The MiniDiscs themselves also are small and seem durable. However, in addition to relatively high cost of the equipment and media, it is a digitally compressed format, using Sony's "ATRAC" format. This system has improved in quality over the years, but you can still occasionally hear "artifacts" in the sound, especially when recorded from analog sources with background hiss. In addition, Sony's portable MiniDisc recorders intermittently generate enough RF hash to mar the reception of even fairly strong AM and shortwave signals that you might be trying to record. Sony has been trying to make MiniDisc the universal replacement for cassette tapes for over a decade (they even released some pre-recorded albums on MiniDisc). This objective has largely been a failure, but the MiniDisc format does have some advantages and most people who use it are satisfied with it. From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Thu Apr 24 11:04:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 24 Apr 2003 18:04:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 68334 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2003 18:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2003 18:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 18:03:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2003 18:03:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:03:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SRX-AF51V : Audiocubes order received! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1849 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, Placed an order with Audiocubes and received my SRF-AX51V yesterday. Service was great, communication great, the radio arrived quickly and in perfect condition. Overview: If you have not used an SRF-AX51V the first thing that strikes you is how small the radio is. It's very tiny. It does come with a vinyl case. It comes with earbuds but be aware, the plug is stereo subminiature. Standard stereo miniplugs will not fit. All instructions are Japanese, set markings are in English. Power requirements 2AAA batteries. The box is very small. No LOC/DX switch. Analog tuned, the dial marker is small but there is a reflective background so the red pointer really stands out. AM stereo: Coverage is from 520-1620 or so. The dial scale is cramped but accurate. Forced stereo, no indicator, there is a "tuning" LED. The LED does not have to be lit for AM stereo to be received. The radio is sensitive and selective. I have a fairly strong station at 760 next to 770 (KAAM) and the stations can be separated well. There is a mono switch to force mono operation. FM section: Coverage is from 76-108 (labeled 76-92 and Japan TV stations 1, 2, 3) Fairly sensitive and selective. Fewer mixing products than normally seen in these small receivers. Tuning is critical but can be managed OK. Japan Channel 4-13. This section can receive TV audio and because of the frequency allocations I can receive the weather band on this radio -- a nice (unintentional) touch. Sound: This radio sounds very good. With supplied earbuds there is no audio hiss at lowest volume levels. The set can play fairly loudly. The AM is crisp and the separation good. FM is crisp as well with great separation. There is no "Bass Boost". Conclusion: All in all this is fine, small, radio with great AM CQUAM reception. Best regards, Paul Bigelow From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Thu Apr 24 11:09:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 24 Apr 2003 18:09:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 12513 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2003 18:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2003 18:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 18:08:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2003 18:08:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:08:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Great Editing with Sony MiniDisc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 460 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, I've had the minidisc since the introduction. I was waiting for it. Still have my complete MZ-1 system in working order. I've progressed to other units over the years and have recently acquired an MZ-R10. It's amazing to place the MZ-1 next to the MZ-R10 and look at what miniaturization can do. Blanks were originally $14-$15 dollars a pop. Now with bulk purchases they can be had for about $1. Long live MiniDisc! Best regards, Paul Bigelow From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Apr 24 11:24:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 24 Apr 2003 18:24:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 77288 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2003 18:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2003 18:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 18:24:26 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.89]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:24:26 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Great Editing with Sony MiniDisc Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:24:14 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was really really jealous when my little brother showed me his. I've always wanted one, but never got around to it or could afford it. I'm sure the quality is marvelous since it's digital (even though compressed). I think the only thing that bothered me about it and kept me from getting one was the price, and also the fact that there aren't really too many "car stereos" with built-in md players and wherever and whenever you want to listen to it you kinda have to have the md player there with ya and something with a "line-in" on it. Kinda like having a portable MP3 player and always having to plug it in to a "line-in" or a cassette adaptor. In the car, this gets tedious because then do you not only have the wire hanging out of the cassette deck, then ya need a place to set it. Then that leads you to wanting to buy a 12V adaptor so that you're not constantly draining the thing's batteries. Now that's this thing, that has no place to sit in your sports car and it has 2 wires hanging off of it....one going to the radio, the other going to the cigarette lighter socket (wherever that may be) and so forth. I think that's why I just ended up using CDs. There's CD players everywhere, including car stereos. And with the avail of numerous CD burners and very frugal nature of CD-R's (down to a quarter a piece or less in bulk) it's a lot easier that way. Although I must admit, the MD would indeed be a wonderful way to get flawless air checks without tape hiss from a cassette. They could then be "recorded" into the puter and then burned to CD. I know that's how a lot of us here on the list do it, although not me personally. I know there was some discussion a little while back about somehow transferring the files directly from the MD straight over to the computer without having to "listen" to them and "record" them in. BIG timesaver if you've got an 80 minute air check, and not having to wait 80 minutes to transfer it into the computer. If I recall correctly, I think someone said it can only be done one way. That the newer MD players do have a port that'll hook up to the computer and Sony provides software that will take MP3's and convert them over to their format and export it over to the MD, but the software does not work the other way. anyways....just some thoughts from a fellow audio-phile :) Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: pabigelow [mailto:pbigelow@us.ibm.com] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 12:09 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Great Editing with Sony MiniDisc Hello, I've had the minidisc since the introduction. I was waiting for it. Still have my complete MZ-1 system in working order. I've progressed to other units over the years and have recently acquired an MZ-R10. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Apr 24 11:30:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 24 Apr 2003 18:30:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 49336 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2003 18:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2003 18:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 18:30:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2003 18:30:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:30:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony tuner on Aussie eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 330 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.60.125 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Here's something for the folks Down Under... a Sony ST-JX220A > AM Stereo/FM Stereo tuner with matching audio amplifier: > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3020464689 > Is'nt this a Canadian 110v version so no good for Oz/UK ? From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Apr 24 17:31:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 25 Apr 2003 00:31:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 88601 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2003 00:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2003 00:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2003 00:31:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2003 00:31:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:31:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Great Editing with Sony MiniDisc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2540 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.228 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I have a MiniDisc now. :) However, I wouldn't cut out commercials > since they often add the local flavor to any aircheck I would record. > > > The main advantage of MiniDisc is convenience. The MiniDiscs > themselves also are small and seem durable. However, in addition to > relatively high cost of the equipment and media, it is a digitally > compressed format, using Sony's "ATRAC" format. This system has > improved in quality over the years, but you can still occasionally > hear "artifacts" in the sound, especially when recorded from analog > sources with background hiss. In addition, Sony's portable MiniDisc > recorders intermittently generate enough RF hash to mar the reception > of even fairly strong AM and shortwave signals that you might be > trying to record. The artifacting is negligable, if noticed at all; only problem that I've noticed when recording at the SLP mode is that it does suffer from something similar to "joint stereo" effects with some stereophonic content. As for the interference, yes, it is very much a problem, but can be reduced if placed far enough away, at an angle, and in the receiving null of the receiver. > Sony has been trying to make MiniDisc the universal replacement for > cassette tapes for over a decade (they even released some pre- recorded > albums on MiniDisc). This objective has largely been a failure, but > the MiniDisc format does have some advantages and most people who use > it are satisfied with it. There is growingh interest in the US right now, especially over the last year. The places where MD has really been successful have been the UK and Japan, with the bulk of premastered MDs (made like CDs) being offered in the UK by more than a dozen retailers (at least online) from there, which I have ordered from some. Japan is especially best with the diverse selection of MD blanks. MD machines can be had relatively inexpensively (you can find some player-only MD machines that go for less than $50; recorders for as little as $80, though most recorders hoiver close to $200. Mine was used, via eBay, for $100, including 10 blank 80min discs.), with blanks that can be ordered for as low as $.49, but usually hover around $1-$1.50 per disc. I have 10 premastered MDs, and they do, in fact, sound great. Most impressive feature? Very low battery drainage on a single AA battery. Oh, and ATRAC is Dolby's baby, not Sony's. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Apr 25 00:47:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 25 Apr 2003 07:47:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 8853 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2003 07:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2003 07:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2003 07:47:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2003 07:47:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:47:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Great Editing with Sony MiniDisc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1278 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.123 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > The main advantage of MiniDisc is convenience. The MiniDiscs > themselves also are small and seem durable. However, in addition to > relatively high cost of the equipment and media, it is a digitally > compressed format, using Sony's "ATRAC" format. This system has > improved in quality over the years, but you can still occasionally > hear "artifacts" in the sound, especially when recorded from analog > sources with background hiss. In addition, Sony's portable MiniDisc > recorders intermittently generate enough RF hash to mar the reception > of even fairly strong AM and shortwave signals that you might be > trying to record. I find if you use a long enough cable and check your setup BEFORE recording noise is not a problem. > Sony has been trying to make MiniDisc the universal replacement for > cassette tapes for over a decade (they even released some pre- recorded > albums on MiniDisc). This objective has largely been a failure, but > the MiniDisc format does have some advantages and most people who use > it are satisfied with it. It's good to use in the field in broadcasting. It's FAR more durable than DAT, which is way far too fragile. Powell From jim@burgan.net Fri Apr 25 06:32:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 25 Apr 2003 13:32:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 25622 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2003 13:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2003 13:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc01.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2003 13:32:23 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-234-107.client.insightbb.com[12.221.234.107]) by sccimhc01.insightbb.com (sccimhc01) with SMTP id <20030425133223im1002kk9de>; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:32:23 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c30b2f$1a9f6cd0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Great Editing with Sony MiniDisc Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:32:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> Sony has been trying to make MiniDisc the >> universal replacement for >> cassette tapes for over a decade (they even released some pre- >> recorded >> albums on MiniDisc). This objective has largely been a failure, but >> the MiniDisc format does have some advantages and most people who >> use it are satisfied with it. >It's good to use in the field in broadcasting. It's FAR more durable >than DAT, which is way far too fragile. Agreed... Our news department has been using MD for years for actualities and nat sound. A few years ago we replaced all of our $700 Marantz cassette recorders with $150 MD's and they out-perform the cassettes 10-fold. They came with a stereo power mic and we use them. We are probably one of the only stations in Indiana with stereo actualities .... From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Apr 25 12:00:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 25 Apr 2003 19:00:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 14414 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2003 19:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2003 19:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2003 19:00:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2003 19:00:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:00:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Lucent Financial Woes Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 104 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Lucent pensioners up in arms at benefits cuts plan. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/30375.html From fanfare@globility.com Fri Apr 25 12:58:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 25 Apr 2003 19:58:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 77926 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2003 19:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2003 19:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2003 19:58:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2003 19:58:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:58:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?D=E9j=E0_vu_all_over_again=3F?= Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 475 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Is it "Re-regulation" or "de-regulation"? What has become of that one- time watchdog organization of engineers and bureaucrats? The following article from the San Franscisco Chronicle puts forth some interesting points, especially about radio ownership. I guess the phrase "good corporate citizen" has lost its meaning, at least it probably has to the people of Minot ND. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? file=/chronicle/archive/2003/04/24/ED108322.DTL M.S. From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Apr 25 14:15:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 25 Apr 2003 21:15:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 53201 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2003 21:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2003 21:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2003 21:15:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2003 21:15:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 21:15:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC blows into Chicago Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 93 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g News from today's paper. http://www.suntimes.com/output/feder/cst-fin-feder252.html John From dav259@csiro.au Fri Apr 25 18:25:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 26 Apr 2003 01:25:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 33481 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2003 01:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2003 01:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2003 01:24:03 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3Q1O2709571 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 11:24:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 11:24:02 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} =?iso-8859-1?q?D=E9j=E0_vu_all_over_again=3F?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Mr.M S wrote: > The following article from the San Franscisco Chronicle puts forth > some interesting points, especially about radio ownership. I guess > the phrase "good corporate citizen" has lost its meaning, at least it > probably has to the people of Minot ND. > > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/04/24/ED108322.DTL Marv - this is dangerous. Does the average Joe know that all six radio stations in Minot are owned by CC and programmed remotely? Why don't media outlets threatened by the prospective changes say something while they can? Could it be that the journos are alreading feeling threatened and don't want to upset bigger organisations that may end up as their employer? - that is if the majority of journos end up keeping their jobs at all ... very doubtful. - OT - btw I've just seen Bill O'Reilly "interview" Robert Reich on Fox News. O'Reilly refuted the statement that Fox was blatantly right wing. Reich then asked were there any policies where Bill actually took issue with the Bush govt. To which O'Reilly said 'the environment'. Any others? O'Reilly moved on. Reich asserted that he's not against news being presented in an entertaining way but with the Presidency, the Congress, and the Supreme Court all dominated by Republicans the media has a responsibility to present both sides of any argument. In seven minutes the poor guy managed to get two minutes of airtime - the rest was Bill. A good interviewer here and (from what we see) in the UK is one who asks the probing questions and then shuts up and lets the interviewee respond. If the interviewee doesn't answer the question it's put to them again. You don't even get a perception of what the interviewer's opinions are. Then O'Reilly closes his "show" saying 'the spin stops here'. I'm sure as soon as the cameras are switched off O'Reilly must smirk at those in the studio and say 'what a pile of cretins'. From dav259@csiro.au Fri Apr 25 18:43:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 26 Apr 2003 01:43:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 80228 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2003 01:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2003 01:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2003 01:43:23 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3Q1hM710340 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 11:43:22 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 11:43:22 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC blows into Chicago In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, bta_50g wrote: > News from today's paper. "This really sets us up for the 22nd century," said John Gehron, regional vice president of Clear Channel's Chicago operations. "It will be the best sound we've ever had in radio." John - let's hope that IBOC radios do make the market in July so people can experience "the best sound ever". And let's hope that digitally-enhanced analog Symphony receivers will hit the market in November demonstrating how good analog can sound. And as the FCC fiddles while radio burns ... let the market decide. Still ... as the responsible regulator one wonders whether the FCC could indeed run a bath. From fanfare@globility.com Sat Apr 26 06:19:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 26 Apr 2003 13:19:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 45861 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2003 13:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2003 13:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2003 13:19:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2003 13:19:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:19:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC blows into Chicago Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 769 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.49 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > "This really sets us up for the 22nd century," "It will be the best > sound we've ever had in radio." > > John - let's hope that IBOC radios do make the market in July so people > can experience "the best sound ever". > One of the first things that snaps out at me is its "News Release" flavor. When you don't listen to radio, but for content, and someone says "listen to the great stereo sound of HD-Radio." chances are it might be the first time in a while that person has paid atention to actual stereo FM. The reaction? Chances are the impression will last. But will the person go home and listen to the same station in analog stereo with the same interest? I doubt it. M.S. From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Apr 26 10:11:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 26 Apr 2003 17:11:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 42146 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2003 17:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2003 17:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2003 17:11:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2003 17:11:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 17:11:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Digital AM: Kahn to the Rescue! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 343 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Does anyone have any details on the specifications for Leonard Kahn's "Cam-D" system, or know anything about its basic operating principles? Also, it was said to be "fully compatible with the over half a billion radios already out there", does anyone know if this also means that it is compatible with Kahn's ISB AM stereo system? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Apr 26 10:15:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 26 Apr 2003 17:15:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 91374 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2003 17:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2003 17:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2003 17:15:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2003 17:15:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 17:15:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC x AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1197 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > Read As: IBOC is a digital AM stereo system with all the > DISadvantages that confers upon it. > > It shouldn't even be called AM since the carrier is there for the > analog sidebands to beat against. The IBOC sidebands could be > received without the carrier. The only purpose for the carrier > is for the PLL to lock onto which could be replaced by a burst > signal like they do for NTSC color subcarrier. This is a silly argument, AM is still AM whether the information being transmitted is analog, as in traditional broadcasting, or digital as in "HD Radio". As long as the Amplitude of the signal is being modulated it's still AM. And what of all those people that have warm fuzzy feelings when they listen to what they think is the good old fashioned kind of AM, but it's really digital AM coming from a transmitter like the Harris DX-50 and it's progeny, where the transmitter is really nothing more than a giant ADC, with the carrier switched between various discrete levels by digital means to create a simulation of an old fashioned analog wave, is that still AM, or some digital abomination? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Apr 26 10:22:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 26 Apr 2003 17:22:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 20027 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2003 17:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2003 17:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2003 17:22:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2003 17:22:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 17:22:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC x AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 693 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > Read As: IBOC is a digital AM stereo system with all the > DISadvantages that confers upon it. > > It shouldn't even be called AM since the carrier is there for the > analog sidebands to beat against. The IBOC sidebands could be > received without the carrier. The only purpose for the carrier > is for the PLL to lock onto which could be replaced by a burst > signal like they do for NTSC color subcarrier. Oh, I also meant to ask, how is this any different than with traditional analog AM where the carrier is also redundant, and need not be transmitted, with the carrier being reinserted in the receiver? John From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Apr 26 10:45:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 26 Apr 2003 17:45:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 66960 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2003 17:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2003 17:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2003 17:45:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2003 17:45:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 17:45:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC x AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 497 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > Oh, I also meant to ask, how is this any different than with > traditional analog AM where the carrier is also redundant, and need > not be transmitted, with the carrier being reinserted in the receiver? > John HAH! You ought to hear the response of the rabidly ANTI-AM guys, on SSB, [ on the ham bands] when you tell them they are really running AM, just with only 1 sideband and supressed carrier.... ! ! ! Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Apr 26 11:09:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 26 Apr 2003 18:09:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 72595 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2003 18:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2003 18:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2003 18:09:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2003 18:08:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:08:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC x AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1104 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.118 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > > > Read As: IBOC is a digital AM stereo system with all the > > DISadvantages that confers upon it. > > > > It shouldn't even be called AM since the carrier is there for the > > analog sidebands to beat against. The IBOC sidebands could be > > received without the carrier. The only purpose for the carrier > > is for the PLL to lock onto which could be replaced by a burst > > signal like they do for NTSC color subcarrier. > > This is a silly argument, AM is still AM whether the information being > transmitted is analog, as in traditional broadcasting, or digital as > in "HD Radio". As long as the Amplitude of the signal is being > modulated it's still AM. I think Mr. Byrns here is playing semantics, since the "AM" he's referring to is not the modulation method, but in reference to the mediumwave broadcast band that most simply refer to as "AM". In that regard, he is correct, it is MW stereo, but it's NOT AM stereo. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Apr 26 13:02:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 26 Apr 2003 20:02:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 47992 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2003 20:02:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2003 20:02:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2003 20:02:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2003 20:02:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:02:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC x AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1278 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > I think Mr. Byrns here is playing semantics, since the "AM" he's > referring to is not the modulation method, but in reference to the > mediumwave broadcast band that most simply refer to as "AM". In that > regard, he is correct, it is MW stereo, but it's NOT AM stereo. No, I am not referring to AM as the medium wave band! I am referring to transmitting information, be it analog or digital information by modulating the amplitude of a carrier, or carriers. Transmitting digital information by radio is little different than transmitting analog information, basically you can modulate the amplitude (AM), or the phase/frequency (PM/FM) of the carrier wave, or some combination of both. It makes no difference if the information being transmitted is analog, as in traditional broadcasting, or is digital as in IBOC, it is still AM, or PM/FM, or a combination of both. For example, computer modems transmit digital data by using a combination of amplitude or AM modulation, and phase modulation, or PM. It is not a matter of semantics, or the band in use, AM is AM irrespective of the type of information being transmitted, or the band being used for the transmission. John From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Apr 26 15:17:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 26 Apr 2003 22:17:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 14546 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2003 22:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2003 22:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2003 22:17:19 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.166]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:15:47 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c30c41$b6991880$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Great Editing with Sony MiniDisc Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:18:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 One caveat: Minidisc systems have a laser pickup like a CD player. They have a finite life, and are expensive to replace- they are also not too forgiving if dropped. I would go with the Ripflash with no moving parts. (just the dealer cost on the pickup is at the retail price of a complete new unit) I have both systems, and there are pluses and minuses for both. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 5:58 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Great Editing with Sony MiniDisc From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 26 17:16:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 00:16:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 64802 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 00:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 00:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 00:16:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2003 00:16:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:16:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC x AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1706 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > HAH! You ought to hear the response of the rabidly ANTI-AM guys, on > SSB, [ on the ham bands] when you tell them they are really > running AM, just with only 1 sideband and supressed carrier.... ! ! Although theoretically there should be no inherent difference, SSB always sounds inferior to AM, at least in the manner in which it is used on the ham radio bands. It takes a lot of fiddling and fine- tuning to reduce the "robotic" sound, which never quite goes away completely, especially when multiple participants in a QSO each have their transmitters a few Hz offset from each other. Also, the transmitted audio bandwidth rarely exceeds 2.5 kHz, with little bass response either, so even an average telephone sounds better. SSB is great for DXing, but when you just want to sit down and have an enjoyable conversation, AM is the best choice. Yes, it does hog a few more kHz's of spectrum on the band, but AM sounds like you're talking to an actual person, instead of a robot. The AM guys usually also run vintage transmitters with their own custom modifications and audio processing, and with a well-equipped receiver you can dial in as wide of a bandwidth as reception conditions will allow. You can often get "broadcast-quality" audio from end-to-end, which is to be expected for those who use modified AM broadcast transmitters! Of course, this also opens up the opportunity for AM Stereo on the ham radio bands, which can and has been done. Of course, ham radio operators haven't been allowed to broadcast music since the 1920s, but there's no reason why you can't give your voice a nice stereo reverb and maybe throw in a few stereo sound effects once in a while. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Apr 26 17:19:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 00:19:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 73525 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 00:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 00:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 00:19:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2003 00:19:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:19:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC x AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 589 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: >> Of course, this also opens up the opportunity for AM Stereo on the > ham radio bands, which can and has been done. Of course, ham radio > operators haven't been allowed to broadcast music since the 1920s, > but there's no reason why you can't give your voice a nice stereo > reverb and maybe throw in a few stereo sound effects once in a while. There are some running AM Stereo. And up on the AM Window there are audio clips: http://www.amwindow.org Powell W4OPW AM on 7290 with a Collins 32V-3 From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Apr 26 18:58:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 01:58:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 79634 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 01:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 01:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 01:58:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2003 01:58:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 01:58:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM stereo on the ham bands Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1080 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.118 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > >> Of course, this also opens up the opportunity for AM Stereo on > the > > ham radio bands, which can and has been done. Of course, ham > radio > > operators haven't been allowed to broadcast music since the 1920s, > > but there's no reason why you can't give your voice a nice stereo > > reverb and maybe throw in a few stereo sound effects once in a > while. > > There are some running AM Stereo. And up on the AM Window there are > audio clips: > > http://www.amwindow.org More specificly, http://www.amwindow.org/audio/htm/wa2fnq.htm Or just go to Jerry's page: http://www.wa2fnq.hamradios.com/amstrdoc.htm Or you could just download the two MP3s (thanks Jerry :) ): http://www.amstereo.audio- stream.net/amstereo/files/stations/amateur/WA2FNQ_2_Stereo.mp3 http://www.amstereo.audio- stream.net/amstereo/files/stations/amateur/WA2FNQ_Stereo.mp3 (Might need to cut & paste where appropriate.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jim@burgan.net Sat Apr 26 19:26:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 02:26:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 18632 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 02:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 02:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc01.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 02:26:20 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-234-107.client.insightbb.com[12.221.234.107]) by sccimhc01.insightbb.com (sccimhc01) with SMTP id <20030427022619im1002k51he>; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 02:26:19 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c30c64$638ace90$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: OT: O'Reilly and Reich Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:26:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > btw I've just seen Bill O'Reilly "interview" Robert Reich on >Fox News. O'Reilly refuted the statement that Fox was blatantly right >wing. Reich then asked were there any policies where Bill actually took >issue with the Bush govt. To which O'Reilly said 'the environment'. Any >others? O'Reilly moved on. Bill O'Reilly is not another conservative voice. He is a "San Francisco-Type Liberal" on some issues, and he frequently takes issue with Dubya's affairs and the views of the republican party. He openly admits having voted for many Liberal Democrats over the years. His voice is not that of conservatism, it is the voice of making people accountable for their actions, and he frequently uses facts to dispel emotion and hyperbole. I am not another follower of Rush, Sean and G Gordon... My views are not even close and I am not a Republican. But to say that Fox is "blatantly right-wing" is as inaccurate as saying the mainstream media does not have a liberal slant. The fact that Fox allows conservative voices like Hannity (who is frequently shut down by Alan Colmes,)is an indication of balance, not slant. Where are the conservative voices on CNN, CBS, NBC and ABC? To say those 4 networks reporting does not contain liberal slant is ludicrous. Again, I am not defending the right-wingers, Republicans or Dubya but I will defend the Fox statement that they are the home of news, "fair and balanced, we report you decide". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 26 20:51:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 03:51:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 78416 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 03:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 03:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 03:51:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2003 03:51:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 03:51:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: O'Reilly and Reich Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c30c64$638ace90$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 214 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I will defend the Fox statement that they are the home of news, > "fair and balanced, we report you decide". If you want that, watch the BBC or CBC. All American media sources have biases to them these days. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Apr 26 21:44:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 04:44:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 16069 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 04:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 04:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 04:44:32 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.17f.1a353e8b (4584) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <17f.1a353e8b.2bdcba2a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:44:26 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: O'Reilly and Reich To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Another good reason why we should OPPOSE further deregulation of the commercial media, as Michael Powell is threatening to do. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Apr 26 21:44:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 04:44:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 19933 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 04:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 04:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 04:44:31 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.b2.1bffd632 (4584) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:44:27 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC blows into Chicago To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Clear Channel is full of lies, anyway. Don't believe them. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Apr 26 21:54:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 04:54:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 91992 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 04:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 04:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf39bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.143) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 04:54:53 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.211.222.145]) by imf39bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030427045701.RDSR259.imf39bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:57:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c30c79$24322cb0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <001201c30c64$638ace90$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: O'Reilly and Reich Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:54:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are you serious ? I love the mantra.."We Report, You Decide" brilliant propoganda.... Look at who owns Fox........that says it all. "Fair and Balanced" makes me laugh... Fox is the National Enquirer of News.... Juan KB0GXM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: O'Reilly and Reich > btw I've just seen Bill O'Reilly "interview" Robert Reich on >Fox News. O'Reilly refuted the statement that Fox was blatantly right >wing. Reich then asked were there any policies where Bill actually took >issue with the Bush govt. To which O'Reilly said 'the environment'. Any >others? O'Reilly moved on. Bill O'Reilly is not another conservative voice. He is a "San Francisco-Type Liberal" on some issues, and he frequently takes issue with Dubya's affairs and the views of the republican party. He openly admits having voted for many Liberal Democrats over the years. His voice is not that of conservatism, it is the voice of making people accountable for their actions, and he frequently uses facts to dispel emotion and hyperbole. I am not another follower of Rush, Sean and G Gordon... My views are not even close and I am not a Republican. But to say that Fox is "blatantly right-wing" is as inaccurate as saying the mainstream media does not have a liberal slant. The fact that Fox allows conservative voices like Hannity (who is frequently shut down by Alan Colmes,)is an indication of balance, not slant. Where are the conservative voices on CNN, CBS, NBC and ABC? To say those 4 networks reporting does not contain liberal slant is ludicrous. Again, I am not defending the right-wingers, Republicans or Dubya but I will defend the Fox statement that they are the home of news, "fair and balanced, we report you decide". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Sat Apr 26 22:13:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 05:13:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 38297 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 05:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 05:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 05:13:56 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3R5Dt717672 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 15:13:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 15:13:55 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: O'Reilly and Reich In-Reply-To: <001201c30c64$638ace90$9802a8c0@jimspc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Jim Burgan wrote: > Again, I am not defending the right-wingers, Republicans or Dubya but I > will defend the Fox statement that they are the home of news, "fair and > balanced, we report you decide". I see ... the "no spin" area! Jim - if "they" report and "we" decide ... why do they need to help us by putting huge banners across the bottom of the screen about what we are supposed to be deciding about? Hey ... read them (try and do it from the other side). Do we really need to be told (on the screen) an interpretation of exactly what we are listening to? Ian > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Davidson _--_|\ CSIRO Minerals / \ tel +61 3 9545 8717 Box 312, Clayton South \_.--.*/ fax +61 3 9562 8919 Victoria, Australia 3169 v ian.davidson@csiro.au ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Apr 26 22:52:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 05:52:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 51839 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 05:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 05:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 05:52:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2003 05:52:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 05:52:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC x AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1919 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > > > Read As: IBOC is a digital AM stereo system with all the > > DISadvantages that confers upon it. > > > > It shouldn't even be called AM since the carrier is there for the > > analog sidebands to beat against. The IBOC sidebands could be > > received without the carrier. The only purpose for the carrier > > is for the PLL to lock onto which could be replaced by a burst > > signal like they do for NTSC color subcarrier. > > This is a silly argument, AM is still AM whether the information being > transmitted is analog, as in traditional broadcasting, or digital as > in "HD Radio". As long as the Amplitude of the signal is being > modulated it's still AM. > > And what of all those people that have warm fuzzy feelings when they > listen to what they think is the good old fashioned kind of AM, but > it's really digital AM coming from a transmitter like the Harris DX-50 > and it's progeny, where the transmitter is really nothing more than a > giant ADC, with the carrier switched between various discrete levels > by digital means to create a simulation of an old fashioned analog > wave, is that still AM, or some digital abomination? > > John From a marketing prespective it is misleading. People associate the sound quality of both analog AM and FM with the true character of those bands and modulation schemes. For IBOC the sound quality is purely determined by the bitrate and compression scheme regardless of whether it is done with AM or FM. In fact the sidebands probably closely resemble what a computer modem would produce which could be hetrodyned directly up to the transmitting frequency. On both bands it should be refered to as Digital Stereo leaving out the modulating scheme although the stereo for the MW band is a joke. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 26 23:25:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 06:25:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 88069 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 06:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 06:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 06:25:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2003 06:25:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 06:25:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC x AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 828 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > On both bands it should be refered to as Digital Stereo leaving out > the modulating scheme although the stereo for the MW band is a > joke. This would be even more confusing because just as most people think two speakers = "stereo", they think that digital tuning = "digital radio". "Digital" is a buzz-word whose meaning has been highly diluted by its over-use. Remember the '80s when manufacturers began selling "digital-ready" speakers and "digital-ready" headphones to accompany the widespread debut of CDs? And it doesn't help that for years there have been radio stations which use "digital" as their nickname, such as "Digital 102.7" WJSE in southern New Jersey -- not to be confused with neighboring "102.7 Blink" WNEW in New York City, which actually does broadcast in IBOC, at least some of the time. From dav259@csiro.au Sat Apr 26 23:34:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 06:34:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 21920 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 06:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 06:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 06:34:35 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3R6YY720858 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:34:34 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:34:34 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC x AM STEREO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > And it doesn't help that for years there have been radio stations > which use "digital" as their nickname, such as "Digital 102.7" WJSE > in southern New Jersey -- not to be confused with neighboring "102.7 > Blink" WNEW in New York City, which actually does broadcast in IBOC, > at least some of the time. In Kevin Redding's absence could I be the first to say ... Digital sucks ... From fanfare@globility.com Sun Apr 27 05:20:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 12:20:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 83885 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 12:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 12:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 12:20:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2003 12:20:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:20:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC x AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1664 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > On both bands it should be refered to as Digital Stereo leaving out > > the modulating scheme although the stereo for the MW band is a > > joke. > > This would be even more confusing because just as most people think > two speakers = "stereo", they think that digital tuning = "digital > radio". "Digital" is a buzz-word whose meaning has been highly > diluted by its over-use. Remember the '80s when manufacturers began > selling "digital-ready" speakers and "digital-ready" headphones to > accompany the widespread debut of CDs? > The term "digital" appears to have taken hold back when watches of that type began to appear. Certainly they were the rage for quite a while. However, instead of the word "digital" being the motivator, the term "Quartz", or "quartz-locked" became the buzz word. Why? One opinion would be that while watch movements had begun the transition to a "quartz" or crystal-controlled timing circuit, watch designs still included a lot of analog faces. My fave has both. Only because, like a lot of us have found, they're easier to see. However, the term "quartz-controlled" lasted as a qualitative term for a long time after and was being applied to anything that even appeared to need some sort of timing or synchronization. I think you'll agree, "digital" did move us towards a new paradigm in terms of timing circuit accuracy and reliability. In fact, one of the marketing slogans used by Seiko at the time of introducing their digital watches was, "Some day, all watches will be made like this." The rest is history. From jim@burgan.net Sun Apr 27 06:05:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 13:04:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 75392 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 13:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 13:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc01.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 13:04:55 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-234-107.client.insightbb.com[12.221.234.107]) by sccimhc01.insightbb.com (sccimhc01) with SMTP id <20030427130454im1002k7kde>; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:04:54 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c30cbd$98c845c0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <001201c30c64$638ace90$9802a8c0@jimspc> <000b01c30c79$24322cb0$af78fea9@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: O'Reilly and Reich Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 08:04:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >Are you serious ? Absolutely >I love the mantra.."We Report, You Decide" brilliant propoganda.... Propagnda? Have you ever watched Fox's reoprting (not the "issues shows", just the reporting? Give me ann example (or two) or reporter bia when reporting the news. >Look at who owns Fox........that says it all. Look at who owns CBS (Tisch), ABC (Eisner), CNN and other media companies? What makes Rupert any different? >"Fair and Balanced" makes me laugh... Why? You opinion is based on politics, not facts so I'm on the verge of giving up on this debate. >Fox is the National Enquirer of News.... Give me an example of Fox reporting that makes them the "National Enquirer" of news. CNN has used tabliod-style exploitation of every major news story from OJ Simpson to Jon Bonet Ramsey to Karen Peterson and you dare to call Fox an electronic rag? Look at NBC's Dateline history. This topic is way off topic and defending Republican issues makes me want to puke so I'm prety much done with this, except to say that I view this thread in a fair and unbiased way, and your opinions are based on political bias. I will reply off-group to further requests... I hate political discussions on radio forums.... From jim@burgan.net Sun Apr 27 06:07:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 13:07:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 65573 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 13:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 13:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc01.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.163) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 13:07:04 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-234-107.client.insightbb.com[12.221.234.107]) by sccimhc01.insightbb.com (sccimhc01) with SMTP id <20030427130703im1002klh9e>; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:07:03 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c30cbd$e5eef1a0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: O'Reilly and Reich Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 08:07:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >Jim - if "they" report and "we" decide ... why do they need to help us by >putting huge banners across the bottom of the screen about what we are >supposed to be deciding about? > >Hey ... read them (try and do it from the other side). > >Do we really need to be told (on the screen) an interpretation of exactly >what we are listening to? Not nearly as bad as Headline News....., but I see nothing 'policital in those (annoying) banners. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sun Apr 27 09:03:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 16:03:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 68045 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 16:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 16:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 16:03:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2003 16:03:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:03:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo on the ham bands Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1829 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Unfortunately these recordings of my station were made before I had installed new equipment to enhance the stereo effect, like stereo reverb. You can hear Pete, WA1SOV and myself usally every Sunday around 4:30 pm eastern on the 75 meter Ham band @3.825 MHz give or take a bunch depending on band activity. Pete is running an ISB system similar to KAHN using an exciter of his own design. You can see Pete's exciter at: http://home.worldnet.att.net/~broadcast_techniques/ WBCQ-2 is also using one but not in stereo. I'm running AM-FM similar to the old Belar/Magnavox systems. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > >> Of course, this also opens up the opportunity for AM Stereo on > > the > > > ham radio bands, which can and has been done. Of course, ham > > radio > > > operators haven't been allowed to broadcast music since the > 1920s, > > > but there's no reason why you can't give your voice a nice stereo > > > reverb and maybe throw in a few stereo sound effects once in a > > while. > > > > There are some running AM Stereo. And up on the AM Window there are > > audio clips: > > > > http://www.amwindow.org > > More specificly, http://www.amwindow.org/audio/htm/wa2fnq.htm > > Or just go to Jerry's page: > http://www.wa2fnq.hamradios.com/amstrdoc.htm > > Or you could just download the two MP3s (thanks Jerry :) ): > > http://www.amstereo.audio- > stream.net/amstereo/files/stations/amateur/WA2FNQ_2_Stereo.mp3 > > http://www.amstereo.audio- > stream.net/amstereo/files/stations/amateur/WA2FNQ_Stereo.mp3 > > (Might need to cut & paste where appropriate.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Apr 27 11:08:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 18:08:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 15570 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 18:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 18:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 18:08:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2003 18:08:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:08:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: O'Reilly and Reich Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c30cbd$e5eef1a0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2180 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.118 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > >Jim - if "they" report and "we" decide ... why do they need to help us by > >putting huge banners across the bottom of the screen about what we are > >supposed to be deciding about? > > > >Hey ... read them (try and do it from the other side). > > > >Do we really need to be told (on the screen) an interpretation of exactly > >what we are listening to? > > Not nearly as bad as Headline News....., but I see nothing 'policital in > those (annoying) banners. Most Americans have no idea just how biased American corporate media is untill they listen to the UK's BBC, Canada's CBC, Australia's ABC (Radio Australia), Germany's Deutsche Welle, or our own NPR (and regional Public Radio networks, like Jefferson Public Radio (http://www.jeffnet.org/), which is in my neck of the woods). In fact, most Americans have become so conditioned to corporate broadcasting being "unbiased", that they think NPR and the regional PR networks are too far to the left. Oh, and if you really want to hear liberals on the radio, San Francisco's KGO AM 810 (http://www.kgoam810.com/ - Careful, though- They're now using ChainCast streaming with Windows Media via the browser, and it is prone to crashing! :/ ) has a mix of both liberal and conservative talkshow hosts (Bernie Ward and Ray Taliaferro are amongst the liberal voices of KGO), with the least unbiased regional news team I've ever heard (a shame the ABC network news isn't anymore) in commercial radio. (Admittedly, I do show my bias- I am liberal, and I do vote Democratic, normally. And yes, I'm quite tired and weary from the barrage of arch-conservatives on the air and in the press, and quite appalled at what this government has done in my name, least of which is the desecration of broadcasting as we know it. I'm not here to get into any political arguments, since that's not the focus of this group, and as I said, I've become rather weary of it all.) Fairness in radio: Let all sides be heard, and let news be as unbiased as possible. America once set the standard, now we must return to that standard. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Apr 27 12:38:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 19:38:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 71981 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 19:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 19:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 19:38:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2003 19:38:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:38:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC x AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1457 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.161 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > On both bands it should be refered to as Digital Stereo leaving out > > the modulating scheme although the stereo for the MW band is a > > joke. > > This would be even more confusing because just as most people think > two speakers = "stereo", they think that digital tuning = "digital > radio". "Digital" is a buzz-word whose meaning has been highly > diluted by its over-use. Remember the '80s when manufacturers began > selling "digital-ready" speakers and "digital-ready" headphones to > accompany the widespread debut of CDs? > > And it doesn't help that for years there have been radio stations > which use "digital" as their nickname, such as "Digital 102.7" WJSE > in southern New Jersey -- not to be confused with neighboring "102.7 > Blink" WNEW in New York City, which actually does broadcast in IBOC, > at least some of the time. Yea the definition of "digital" has been polluted by the misuse of it. Although I have a pair of "digital-ready" headphones from KOSS and I wasn't confused by the terminology. The box even refered to the use for music from digital sources. The stream is no more or less digital than CDs and I would hope the majority of the public isn't that braindead. If the HD in HD-Radio stands for High Definition this would be even more confusing when used on the MW band, LD-Radio for Low Definition would be a better choice. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 27 16:10:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 23:10:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 52327 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 23:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 23:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 23:10:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2003 23:10:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:10:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fox News Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c30cbd$98c845c0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1273 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I hate political discussions on radio forums.... Me too. But just for the record, Fox News *is* inherently biased -- their use of the slogan "We Report, You Decide" makes them biased against the other news networks by strong implication that the objectivity of these other networks is somehow lacking. This is no different than negative political campaigning, only it's in the form of a TV network's slogan. Yes, this is part of the American way of life, but if you *really* think that you're serving your viewers better than the other networks, you shouldn't need to brag about it, and you shouldn't need to put them down through implication. It's also a bit ironic, since in the days before the Fox News network, the local news coming from Fox's flagship TV station in New York City always seemed to be more sensationalistic and tabloid- like than that of the other networks -- and that attitude carried through to many of Fox's TV shows, such as "Married With Children". Nevertheless, further discussions about this should be done in other places... we talk about many things here in the AM Stereo Forum, but politics is always one of the topics which we shouldn't get caught up into, because of its almost complete lack of relevancy to AM Stereo. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 27 16:19:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 27 Apr 2003 23:19:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 95921 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 23:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 23:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 23:19:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2003 23:19:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:19:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HD Radio, HDTV, SDTV, EDTV, etc.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1234 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If the HD in HD-Radio stands for High Definition this would be even > more confusing when used on the MW band, LD-Radio for Low > Definition would be a better choice. The consumer marketing name "HD Radio" is nothing more than an attempt to latch onto the opinions and expectations that the public has of HDTV... which in itself is a misnomer, because most of the digital broadcasts taking place -- both on the air and through cable or satellite TV -- are actually in SDTV ("Standard Definition"), which offers hardly any picture quality improvement over analog NTSC, and in some cases is noticeably *worse*, due to the "artifacts" in the video and audio caused by the use of "lossy" digital compression. And to add further confusion, Zenith is now promoting "EDTV", or "Enhanced Definiton" TV, which supposedly offers digital quality improvements without sacrificing compatibility with analog receivers. I'm still not sure, but I believe it works by taking a standard NTSC signal and converting it to 480p digital, bringing the same kind of "comb filtering" and other tricks that have been used in analog TV sets for years into the digital arena, similar to Motorola's DSP- based "Symphony" radio receiver design. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Apr 27 17:48:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 28 Apr 2003 00:48:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 62742 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2003 00:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2003 00:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2003 00:48:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2003 00:48:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:48:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HD Radio, HDTV, SDTV, EDTV, etc.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2205 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.216 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > If the HD in HD-Radio stands for High Definition this would be even > > more confusing when used on the MW band, LD-Radio for Low > > Definition would be a better choice. > > The consumer marketing name "HD Radio" is nothing more than an > attempt to latch onto the opinions and expectations that the public > has of HDTV... which in itself is a misnomer, because most of the > digital broadcasts taking place -- both on the air and through cable > or satellite TV -- are actually in SDTV ("Standard Definition"), > which offers hardly any picture quality improvement over analog NTSC, > and in some cases is noticeably *worse*, due to the "artifacts" in > the video and audio caused by the use of "lossy" digital compression. > This brings to mind the recent quality loss on most of DriecTV signals except for their pay per view. Almost all of their channels had the same picture quality as PPV but I have noticed signifigant signal degredation/artifacts in the channels in the basic packages. The premium movie channels also suffer but to a lesser extent. Since the addition of the local channels and high speed internet access I suspect that they have borrowed bandwidth from the original channels. FM IBOC has enough bandwidth to deliver a 256kbps datastream for CD quality sound but the proposed bitrate is way below this. The rest will be used for subscription data services. The same thing will probably happen here as more money can be made off subscription data services than the free stuff. > And to add further confusion, Zenith is now promoting "EDTV", or > "Enhanced Definiton" TV, which supposedly offers digital quality > improvements without sacrificing compatibility with analog receivers. > I'm still not sure, but I believe it works by taking a standard NTSC > signal and converting it to 480p digital, bringing the same kind of > "comb filtering" and other tricks that have been used in analog TV > sets for years into the digital arena, similar to Motorola's DSP- > based "Symphony" radio receiver design. I think SONY has had some sets that do 480p, maybe in their XBR line. JSG From marcelo@radioclube.com.br Sun Apr 27 17:55:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: marcelo@radioclube.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 28 Apr 2003 00:55:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 78965 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2003 00:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2003 00:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2003 00:55:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2003 00:55:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:55:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM STEREO x IBOC - VOTE - IS FAST Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 53 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jo=E3o_Marcelo_Franchozza?= X-Originating-IP: 200.171.247.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=114404417 X-Yahoo-Profile: marcelo_franchozza http://www3.enquetes.com.br/popenquete.asp?id=318095 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 28 08:47:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 28 Apr 2003 15:47:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 14122 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2003 15:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2003 15:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2003 15:47:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2003 15:33:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:33:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 220 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Catch it while you can... a high quality, crystal controlled C-Quam AM Stereo transmitter built by our own Chris Cuff. "Buy It Now" for US$125.00. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2172264853 From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Apr 28 09:40:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 28 Apr 2003 16:40:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 73661 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2003 16:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2003 16:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2003 16:40:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2003 16:39:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:38:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 922 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.105 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Interesting coincidence, just yesterday I was surfing around the web trying to find a web page that had a complete technical description of this exact transmitter. I discovered and bookmarked the web page sometime last year, or maybe it was even earlier? At any rate when I went looking for it yesterday, it was gone, and all I could find at the bookmarked web site was a resume for "Alfredo E. Torrejon", which seems to fit the "Alfredo Lite" name of this transmitter. Are the web pages describing this transmitter history now, if not does anyone know the "URL" where they can be found? John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Catch it while you can... a high quality, crystal controlled C-Quam > > > AM Stereo transmitter built by our own Chris Cuff. "Buy It Now" for > US$125.00. > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2172264853 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 28 10:08:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 28 Apr 2003 17:08:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 73644 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2003 17:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2003 17:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2003 17:08:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2003 17:08:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:08:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 580 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Are the web pages describing this transmitter history now, if not > does anyone know the "URL" where they can be found? Alfredo Torrejon was the original designer of the low-power AM Stereo transmitter, and he had a web site with full details and schematics for it, but unfortunately this is no longer available. Chris Cuff builds a simplified ("Lite") version of this transmitter which uses the same basic design but omits the extra audio processing that Alfredo's original version had (NRSC 10 kHz filtering and a rudimentary Optimod-like 3-band audio peak limiter). From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Apr 28 16:01:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 28 Apr 2003 23:01:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 80305 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2003 23:01:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2003 23:01:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2003 23:01:44 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8124F42068 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8821A009F for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030428190011.02b84cc0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:01:15 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Clear Channel Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah, I think alot of it is big management, though I've called some studio lines and had phones be on ring, or some absolutely rude people answer the phone and be short to the point ware it's like, why did I bother calling these people? For example, I called WIOQ the other day to see if Logan tapes the entertainment buzz thinggy he does around 4:30. It sounds so perfect, so without mistakes, and I am almost 99% positive that I heard edit's in the clips. Anyway, do you know I sat on the phone for ten minutes! It rang, and I'm sure someone was there, as the traffic was live, unless they really edited that good. No answer for ten minutes! That's absurd! Then again, I've had some really nice e-mails from Fornando, so who knows? At 12:44 AM 4/27/03 -0400, you wrote: >Clear Channel is full of lies, anyway. Don't believe them. > >73 and good DX from Eric >Amateur Radio Station N0UIH >Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN >Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 >DXing The World since 1981 >Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION >"For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > >------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 29 00:22:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 29 Apr 2003 07:22:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 97886 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2003 07:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2003 07:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2003 07:22:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2003 07:22:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:22:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1321 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics DXers can now breathe a "SAI" of relief now that 1530 WSAI is no longer transmitting an IBOC signal at night, as they had been doing continuously for about a week, causing large amounts of interference to stations like 1510 WLAC in Nashville and 1520 WWKB in Buffalo, NY as well as many smaller stations from 1510 through 1550 kHz. I don't know if daytime IBOC broadcasts continue or not, but at night WSAI is back to plain analog mono AM, although with the same restricted 5 kHz audio response as if they were transmitting IBOC. Unlike WOR, it is a clean, undistorted 5 kHz, but especially with their Oldies music format, sounds very dull and lifeless compared to any other good AM music station. The only possible benefit of this is a reduction in adjacent-channel interference, in case you're trying to DX stations on 1520 or 1540 kHz while WSAI's signal is strong. Meanwhile, despite elaborate exhibits by XM and Sirius satellite radio, the recently concluded 2003 New York Auto Show showed no signs of IBOC as a forthcoming automotive radio feature; in particular, the Ford Motor Co. display made no mention of it, despite their OEM radio manufacturer -- Visteon Corp. -- being one of the first to produce prototype IBOC/"HD Radio" car radios (which also thankfully support C-Quam AM Stereo). From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Apr 29 09:55:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 29 Apr 2003 16:55:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 42368 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2003 16:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2003 16:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2003 16:55:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2003 16:55:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:55:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1128 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.43 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Alfredo Torrejon was the original designer of the low-power AM > Stereo transmitter, and he had a web site with full details and > schematics for it, but unfortunately this is no longer available. > Chris Cuff builds a simplified ("Lite") version of this transmitter > which uses the same basic design but omits the extra audio > processing that Alfredo's original version had (NRSC 10 kHz > filtering and a rudimentary Optimod-like 3-band audio peak limiter). It's too bad that the full details and schematics for the low-power AM Stereo transmitter are no longer available, I guess I should have saved the stuff while I had the chance. I didn't realize that the "Alfredo Lite" was not the name of the original design, I thought that the "Lite" part just referred to the fact that it wasn't quite like the heavy iron built by Harris. It's too bad that the "Lite" version eliminates the NRSC audio filtering, that would be nice to have, and some kind of multi band limiting is essential to deal with the audio pre emphasis. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 29 11:10:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 29 Apr 2003 18:10:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 82367 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2003 18:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2003 18:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2003 18:10:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2003 18:09:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:09:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 677 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It's too bad that the "Lite" version eliminates the NRSC audio > filtering, that would be nice to have The original "full" version was capable of meeting the NRSC spectral mask, but for personal use, most people prefer an unrestricted audio response, as it may be their only chance to hear true high-fidelity AM radio. > and some kind of multi band limiting is essential to deal with the > audio pre emphasis. That is true, unfortunately some of the ICs used in the audio processor section of the original design are no longer available (at least not at a reasonable cost), thus part of the reason for the "Lite" version of the AM Stereo transmitter to be created. From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Apr 29 13:45:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 29 Apr 2003 20:45:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 58448 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2003 20:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2003 20:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2003 20:45:51 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.63]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:44:23 -0400 Message-ID: <006701c30e90$6db27fc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:46:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I had several reasons for designing the "Lite" as its called. Number one, was the cost factor. I had built my own design, using MC1496 balanced mixers in 1994. It worked well, but required a split power supply, and a LOT more parts. I built one of Alfredo's transmitters when I first saw his site, and was very pleased with it, but knew that it would not fly from an experimenter/enthusiasts eye- Due, as Kevin pointed out, to the discontinuation of the peak limiter ICs and a unit that was complex to build- And the cost. I would never have been able to make these at a price that the average fan could afford. Another reason for the lite was portability. I wanted battery operation- so they could be shown at any event at any time, without the need to be tethered to an AC source. It was a decision I have never regretted. There are now nearly 200 of the Lites world wide, all built as a non-profit endeavor. I am still making them, but as costs have tripled for PC boards, I have gone back to making them one at a time, plating and drilling every board by hand. And so it goes. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: bta_50g To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 29 20:11:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 03:11:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 24735 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 01:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 01:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 01:40:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 01:40:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:40:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1049 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > > Alfredo Torrejon was the original designer of the low-power AM > > Stereo transmitter, and he had a web site with full details and > > schematics for it, but unfortunately this is no longer available. > > Chris Cuff builds a simplified ("Lite") version of this transmitter > > which uses the same basic design but omits the extra audio > > processing that Alfredo's original version had (NRSC 10 kHz > > filtering and a rudimentary Optimod-like 3-band audio peak limiter). > > > It's too bad that the full details and schematics for the low-power AM > Stereo transmitter are no longer available, I guess I should have > saved the stuff while I had the chance. I have Alfredo's entire site saved locally, just for this reason. It's really up to Alfredo if his AM stereo pages could be put up elsewhere, and I'm hesitant on mailing any6one the entire archive. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 00:44:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 07:44:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 87681 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 07:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 07:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 07:44:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 07:44:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:44:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Very OT... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1162 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is about as off-topic as anything could get in this Forum, but I just thought I'd get some opinions on this. I just won an eBay for an electronic item, and the seller has an Asian name and lives in Toronto, Canada. Of course I did not see this until after I placed the winning bid. My question is, should I delay or cancel this order because of fear of SARS? Or am I just being crazy? I realise the actual risk is very low, but the government has made some rather broad statements about avoiding contact with certain parts of the world which have had numerous incidents of the disease, including much of Asia as well as Toronto. Of course, we were also told that plastic sheets and duct tape will save us from chemical attacks, so it's hard to tell what's just hype and what's reality. Still, last month I had two colds less than a week apart from each other, so that's not a good track record for me! Like I said, this is very off-topic... but this is going to sound silly no matter where I ask it, so I might as well do it in a place where I have the power to eliminate those who disagree with me... MWAhahahah!!! (....Just kidding!) From dav259@csiro.au Wed Apr 30 00:58:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 07:58:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 2887 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 07:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 07:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 07:58:41 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3U7wd709846 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:58:39 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:58:39 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Very OT... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > My question is, should I delay or cancel this order because of fear > of SARS? Or am I just being crazy? In my condidered opinion you're just being crazy ... As the Lone Ranger said to his trusted buddy as they headed towards the border: Onto Toronto pronto Tonto. - Dr Davidson :) From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 01:13:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 08:13:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 23847 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 08:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 08:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 08:13:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 08:13:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:13:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Very OT... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1502 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > This is about as off-topic as anything could get in this Forum, but I > just thought I'd get some opinions on this. =snip= > My question is, should I delay or cancel this order because of fear > of SARS? Or am I just being crazy? I realise the actual risk is > very low, but the government has made some rather broad statements > about avoiding contact with certain parts of the world which have > had numerous incidents of the disease, including much of Asia as > well as Toronto. Communicable virii require relatively close contact to transfer from host to host. Anyone who ever studied high-school biology (even in general sciences) knows this. This is necessary for the virii to stay alive. SARS is really not any more dangerous than the Flu (and based on the stats, less deadly! Keep in mind just in America alone, the flu death rate is just over 100,000 per year). Add to this that the mail, including parcel post, is irradiated in case of any biological terrors like anthrax or botulism being transported through the mails. Your hard-won item from Canada is safe. Amy. <:3 )~~9~ (PS: I'm not an optimist, but a realist- I have to consider illnesses, too, considering my own health is far from stable, so things like this I need to consider, and frankly, no-one has ever heard of illnesses spreading through the mail, even in the flu epidemic of 1919, that killed millions in the US alone.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 01:32:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 08:32:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 87490 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 08:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 08:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 08:32:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 08:32:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:32:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Very OT... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 952 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > This is about as off-topic as anything could get in this Forum, but I > just thought I'd get some opinions on this. > > I just won an eBay for an electronic item, and the seller has an > Asian name and lives in Toronto, Canada. Of course I did not see > this until after I placed the winning bid. Sorry for the second reply, but this does need to be said: SARS may have come from Asia, but it's not an Asian problem- It's a health problem, and that's all it means to me. Many Asians have been directly affected by this image that you'll get SARS if you have contact with any Asian, even from a SARS-affected location like Toronto, which isn't true. I wouldn't be too concerned concerning this, if I were you. One thing I'm glad about, coming from this SARS situation: the airlines are finally looking at the problem of ill people on flights. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Apr 30 01:33:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 08:33:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 35101 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 08:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 08:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 08:33:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:57:26 -0700 Received: from 172.174.152.14 by bay7-dav55.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:57:25 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030428190011.02b84cc0@pop.GameBox.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Clear Channel Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:57:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2003 03:57:26.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CA6CC00:01C30ECC] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.174.152.14] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John wrote: > For example, I called WIOQ the other day Anyway, do you know I sat on the phone for ten minutes! It rang, and I'm sure someone was there, as the traffic was live, unless they really edited that In more and more stations, Clear Channel is using a computer based automation system called "Prophet". This system allows them to run several clusters of radio stations in different markets from one station. To the average listener, it sounds "Live & Local", but the only "Local" people is a skeleton sales staff. They fly in the jocks on the weekends for remotes. The Prophet is an amazing system, but has ended many jock's careers in radio. The web page for it is http://www.prophetsys.com. The radio station I work for uses the "Phantom" system from Register Data Systems http://www.registerdata.com/phantominfo.html. It killed all of the board op jobs, as well as Afternoon Drive. It will flawlessly run the entire station for months at a time. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 01:52:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 08:52:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 1971 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 08:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 08:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 08:52:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 08:52:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:52:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Clear Channel, Prophet/profit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 850 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Clear Channel is using a computer based automation system called > "Prophet" In this case it's not quite so coincidental that "Prophet" is a homonym for "profit".... Nevertheless, I am lucky to live in an area where the #1 station is not owned by Clear Channel, plays their music directly from CDs and their liners and commercials from carts, and has a live board-op/DJ on hand at all times. It also happens to be the sister station of 1450 WCTC, the world's best 1000-watt AM Stereo news/talk station, which also has a live board op 24/7 and features live, local talk shows from 6 AM to 8 PM weekdays as well as a full news staff. Does it cost more to run a station like this? Yes. Is there really that much of an *immediate* benefit vs. using automation and voice- tracking? No. But is it worth it in the long run? Absolutely! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 02:01:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 09:01:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 29447 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 09:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 09:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 09:01:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 09:01:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:01:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Very OT... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 291 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Thanks for the quick responses, folks (and mice). I guess I've been listening to too many old wives' tales, like how you can catch a cold from a toothbrush. I guess now I can go back to worrying about other harmless things, like anthrax, phenylalanine, and the spread of Marxism. :-) From dav259@csiro.au Wed Apr 30 02:29:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 09:29:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 93189 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 09:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 09:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 09:29:24 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3U9TM713530 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:29:22 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:29:22 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Very OT... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > Thanks for the quick responses, folks (and mice). I guess I've been > listening to too many old wives' tales, like how you can catch a cold > from a toothbrush. > > I guess now I can go back to worrying about other harmless things, > like anthrax, phenylalanine, and the spread of Marxism. :-) No ... Let's really worry about AM stereo! This IBOC debacle should be turned into a plus for us (IBOC John excluded). Surely we have to get information out to the average joe about IBOC and AM stereo - and Symphony and Omega. Can't some on the list come up with suggestions as to how we all could do our bit to advance the cause? ))) AM stereo forever ((( Ian Melbourne From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 07:30:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 14:30:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 64499 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 14:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 14:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 14:30:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 14:29:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:29:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: the average IBOC joe Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 628 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Surely we have to get information out to the average joe about IBOC > and AM stereo - and Symphony and Omega. Well, we could register the web domain name "www.hdradiosucks.com" and have iBiquity buy it out from us for a pretty penny! BTW, it turns out "www.ibocsucks.com", "www.ibocsucks.org", and "www.ibocsucks.net" are all registered by the International Bank of Commerce -- LOL. Note that the legitimate IBOC/"HD Radio" page is located at http://www.hd-radio.com -- somebody got to http://www.hdradio.com first, but it says "This Site Is Under Construction since January 23rd of 2000" -- and I thought I was slow! From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Apr 30 08:16:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 15:16:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 2398 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 15:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 15:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 15:16:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 15:16:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:16:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Very OT... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.169 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g > > Surely we have to get information out to the average joe about IBOC > and AM stereo - and Symphony and Omega. The average Joe doesn't want "information", you need to get him a killer product that he can't live without. I'm not sure how "Symphony" plays into all this, but "Omega" should offer great synergy's with IBOC, greatly improving its performance once it becomes available. John From mwdx@gentoo.net Wed Apr 30 08:26:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwdx@gentoo.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 15:26:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 92082 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 14:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 14:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.lanl.gov) (128.165.4.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 14:31:07 -0000 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h3UEV6vE018788 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:31:06 -0600 Received: from gentoo.net (romulus.lanl.gov [128.165.209.40]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h3UEVxwY009677 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:32:00 -0600 Message-ID: <3EAFDE36.4050708@gentoo.net> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:31:18 -0600 Organization: Pojoaque Medium Wave DXers Club User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, es, zh-cn, af, sq, ar, ar-dz, ar-bh, ar-eg, ar-iq, ar-jo, ar-kw, ar-lb, ar-ly, ar-ma, ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye, hy, ast, eu, be, bs, bg, ca, zh, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, hr, cs, da, nl, nl-be, en-au, en-bz, en-ca, en-ie, en-jm, en-nz, en-ph, en-za, en-tt, en-gb, en-zw, eo, et, fo, fi, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch, gl, ka, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, hu, is, id, in, ga, it, it-ch, ja, ko, ko-kp, ko-kr, lv, lt, mk-mk, ms, no, nb, nn, pl, pt, pt-br, ro, ru, gd, sr, sk, sl, sb, es-ar, es-bo, es-cl, es-co, es-cr, es-do, es-ec, es-sv, es-gt, es-hn, es-mx, es-ni, es-pa, es-py, es-pe, es-pr, es-es, es-uy, es-ve, sv, sv-fi, th, tr, uk, vi, cy, xh, yi, zu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Prophet -> profit References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mike Westfall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118377141 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6kuy >>Clear Channel is using a computer based automation system called >>"Prophet" > > > In this case it's not quite so coincidental that "Prophet" is a > homonym for "profit".... This begs for a Slashdot-ism: 1. Install Prophet system 2. Fire everyone 3. ???? 4. PROFIT! -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 08:28:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 15:28:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 47244 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 15:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 15:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 15:21:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 15:21:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:21:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: My letter to www.radioworld.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2810 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This was inspired by the request on their web site for people to notify them of stations that are broadcasting in "HD Radio" -- but what about the "high definition" radio stations that are not digital and don't use the IBOC system? ==================================================================== From: kevtronics@yahoo.com To: radioworld@imaspub.com Subject: HD Radio stations > Radio World invites stations that are on the air in HD Radio to > notify us via e-mail to radioworld@imaspub.com. Hundreds of stations around the world have been broadcasting in high definition _analog_ AM Stereo for over two decades. Especially on the AM band, "HD Radio" is not truly "high definition". It is a highly compromised system whose audio quality can only approach that of a typical "web-cast" over a 56K modem. Analog AM Stereo offers audio frequency response up to 10 kHz -- two- thirds of the human range of hearing -- and accurate, full- dimensional stereo separation throughout this range. Subjectively, many listeners claim it sounds equal to or even better than FM stereo, due to the type of audio processing that AM Stereo stations use. AM Stereo-capable receivers continue to be manufactured today, by companies such as Visteon Corp., which now has prototype receivers which support both analog AM Stereo and iBiquity's "HD Radio" system. iBiquity's "HD Radio" on the AM band simply cannot match this level of quality and efficiency. It only offers accurate Stereo audio reproduction up to 4 kHz -- scarcely better than that of a telephone! All audio content above 4 kHz is only carried through in monaural and is digitally synthesized based on harmonics of lower frequencies -- providing a very harsh and artificial type of sound, as all of the audio samples of "HD Radio" that are available for public listening have demonstrated. iBiquity claims that "HD Radio" on the AM band will offer "near-FM quality". For that to be an accurate claim, major improvements will be needed; for now, "HD Radio" doesn't even match up to the quality of analog _AM_ radio that countless listeners have been enjoying for decades. IBOC DAB, a.k.a. "HD Radio" is indeed a noble idea, but iBiquity and its predecessors have spent well over a decade trying to get it to work and live up to its claims. Now, "HD Radio" finally does work... sort of. But at this point, it's equivalent to putting a Ferrari engine into a Hyundai car. If iBiquity wants to have a creditable final product, they should have started with a much better platform -- one that won't be a _step backwards_ from the current level of performance that traditional analog AM and FM radio offers. Kevin Tekel kevtronics@yahoo.com Founder & Webmaster of The AM Stereo Web Site http://www.AMStereoRadio.com From amstereorules@msn.com Wed Apr 30 09:32:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 16:32:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 69230 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 16:32:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 16:32:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 16:32:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 16:32:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:32:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Very OT... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 258 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.204.193 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >but "Omega" should offer great synergy's with IBOC, greatly >improving its performance once it becomes available. Synergy? Wasn't this word used to described the AOL -Time Warner merger? Now I feel I ate some empty calories. Remember, AMStereoRules From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 09:59:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 16:59:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 35596 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 16:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 16:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 16:59:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 16:58:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:58:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM stereo, was Re: Very OT... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1503 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > > > Thanks for the quick responses, folks (and mice). I guess I've been > > listening to too many old wives' tales, like how you can catch a cold > > from a toothbrush. > > > > I guess now I can go back to worrying about other harmless things, > > like anthrax, phenylalanine, and the spread of Marxism. :-) > > No ... > > Let's really worry about AM stereo! Certainly something I'd like to see more discussions of, here... :) While this forum has steadily grown, since December, the number of postsw have fallen off steadily per month since December's peak of 1004. This month will be just around 400 for the entire month, ending today. > This IBOC debacle should be turned into a plus for us (IBOC John excluded). I could certainly seeing it as a plus-- It's a cheaper, more fidelious option than IBOC, without worrying if the principle backer and licenser of the product going belly-up. AM stereo technology has a long and colorful history behind it, and an equally long history ahead of it as long as -someone- gives a damn about it. :) Besides, an AM stereo signal sounds better and more lifelike even on a mono radio, so even if you think there aren't any AM stereo listeners, you'll still deliver higher-quality audio to mono AM listeners. :) That what drew me to AM stereo was just such a circumstance many years ago. Amy, the Stereo mousie. :) <:3 )~~8~ From fanfare@globility.com Wed Apr 30 10:37:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 17:37:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 30146 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 16:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 16:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 16:15:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 16:14:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:14:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Very OT... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3859 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > This is about as off-topic as anything could get in this Forum, but I > just thought I'd get some opinions on this. > > I just won an eBay for an electronic item, and the seller has an > Asian name and lives in Toronto, Canada. Of course I did not see > this until after I placed the winning bid. > > My question is, should I delay or cancel this order because of fear > of SARS? Or am I just being crazy? I realise the actual risk is > very low, but the government has made some rather broad statements > about avoiding contact with certain parts of the world which have > had numerous incidents of the disease, including much of Asia as > well as Toronto. Being in Toronto, as I am, you can expect I've been following this thing pretty closely. All of the SARS cases are now confined to hospitals, meaning every known SARS victin is in the hospital being treated. All hospitals, clinics and doctor's offices are being very stringent on the rules. When you enter a hospital, if they'll even let you in, you must be decontaminated. All of those who have traveled from a supect area, such as the Chinas, are now under house quarantine. There were a couple of uneventful slip-ups, but they have been contained. The Toronto Public Health facility, once they knew what they were dealing with, did a remarkable job. In fact, the rules governing hospital workers, because they were, inadvertently, the main carriers in the hospital, were quarantined in the hospital for 10 days. Perhaps you saw the shot on TV of one nurse in an Asian country wanting to throw herself out the window, she was so distraught. Our nurses are on the verge of resigning, the pressure has been so heavy on them. I suspect the U.S. media, in typical fashion, sound-bit only those things that were sensational, stupid or demeaning to Canadians. It's the way they seem to see us. I apologize for Mel Lastman, Toronto's mayor. But he was coming off a Hepatitus Interferon therapy and not as coherent as he could be. His handlers were at fault for even letting him go on CNN with Aaron Brown that day. What the hel, more 'dumb Canadian' jokes for Jay and David. Yet, because Canada is a prime gateway to the U.S. for foreign visitors, we were the buffer ... having to handle most of the disease- bearing traffic that might have ended up in the U.S., had it not been for our Health workers acting as quickly as they did. As a result, U.S. health officials are taking credit for "handling" the situation and there not being any significant outbreak of SARS there. If you don't mind my going really O.T., take the nonsense about Canada's not wanting to get involved on the ground in the Gulf War. Canada is already in Bosnia, Afghanistan and has frigates patrolling the Persian Gulf protecting everyone's backside over there. We've had a liberal government for at least 8 years and you know what liberals think of the military. We don't have hardly any military resources left. They're all elsewhere helping interdict terrorist threats, or keeping the peace. Now our Royal Canadian Mounted Police are being called upon to train cops in Iraq. C'mon guys, leave us alone. We're doing ouir best with what we got. As for your trip Kevin, you have nothing to fear but fear itself. There's little liklihood your vendor was in any Asian country over the past 10 days. If you want to be warned about anything, make sure you have sufficient photo ID when you cross the border, and be prepared to explain your reasons for going back and forth. It used to be a right that Canadians and Americans could cross the 38th parallel freely. I guess that concept died on 9/11 and will take a long time returning. Sorry for the diatribe. It just felt it had to be said. M.S. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 11:03:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 18:03:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 50714 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 15:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 15:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 15:44:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 15:44:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:44:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Prophet -> one step below the "DJ 3000" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EAFDE36.4050708@gentoo.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 769 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > >>Clear Channel is using a computer based automation system called > >>"Prophet" BTW, I am reminded of the "DJ 3000" machine, as used on "KBBL" ("K-Babble") on The Simpsons: ========== Boss: This is the DJ 3000. It plays CDs automatically, and it has three distinct varieties of inane chatter. [presses a button] DJ 3000: [stilted] Hey, hey. How about that weather out there? Woah! _That_ was the caller from hell. Well, hot dog! We have a weiner. Bill: Man, that thing's great! Marty: _Don't_ praise the machine! Boss: If you don't get that kid an elephant by tomorrow, the DJ 3000 gets your job. [Marty punches it] DJ 3000: Those clowns in congress did it again. What a bunch of clowns. Bill: [laughs] How does it keep up with the news like that? From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Apr 30 11:32:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 18:32:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 1037 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 18:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 18:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 18:31:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 18:30:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:30:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Very OT... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5920 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Hear hear! The SARS situation was blown way out of proportion - with the chief offenders being the WHO. RE: IRAQ war - Canadians, like Americans, are very glad that that nut Saddam's regieme is at an end. Had Saddam attacked another country - as he did in the Gulf War, we would have been in on this. As he did not this time, we were in a bind - as was France and Germany. On the one hand - the precedent of attacking a country that hasn't invaded another [on this occassion]. On the other, the moral burden of trying to protect the victims inside IRAQ of oppression from their own government. While the American, British and Australian approach may be controversial with respect to international law, consider this - what if the Allies [America, Britain, Canada, Australia and others] had stood up to Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo. America was slow to enter WWI and WWII, but when they did, their impact was enormous. America learned from the past, and no one can accuse America of being slow thereafter! The USA gets a lot of flack around the world, and they are often misunderstood, but they really try to use their military might to make the world a better place. Sort of a kindly giant who without meaning to steps on some toes. But to Canada's credit - we haven't just played the role of UN peacekeeper. When IRAQ invaded Kuwait - we joined the fray. We were in Afghanistan, and there were a whole slate of adventures in the Balkans in between. To those Americans who say Canada should spend more on its armed forces - I agree 100%. Not that I agree that you should tell us what to do, but simply that a wealthy country of 31 million people ought to properly equip its armed forces in order to adequately protect itself, assist its allies, and still maintain its peacekeeping obligations. This sorry state all started with the cancellation of the AVRO Arrow [Canada's ultra-high tech Mach 3 interceptor [with bomber capability] in 1959, the most idiotic military decision Canada ever made. I suspect that in a year or so, you'll see the Canadian government take defence seriously - as Mr. "No new helicopters" Prime Minister, in most ways a good PM, except on defence, will enter a well deserved retirement. Whether its PM PM, Marathon Manley PM, or RoboCopps PM, hopefully our military will stand on guard for thee again. They have the skill and the bravery, they just need some bucks for new equipment. Now, I'll get off my soapbox and get back to demonstrating AM Stereo while we temporarily have a decent AM Stereo signal here. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > > Being in Toronto, as I am, you can expect I've been following this > thing pretty closely. All of the SARS cases are now confined to > hospitals, meaning every known SARS victin is in the hospital being > treated. All hospitals, clinics and doctor's offices are being very > stringent on the rules. When you enter a hospital, if they'll even > let you in, you must be decontaminated. All of those who have > traveled from a supect area, such as the Chinas, are now under house > quarantine. There were a couple of uneventful slip-ups, but they have > been contained. > > The Toronto Public Health facility, once they knew what they were > dealing with, did a remarkable job. In fact, the rules governing > hospital workers, because they were, inadvertently, the main carriers > in the hospital, were quarantined in the hospital for 10 days. > Perhaps you saw the shot on TV of one nurse in an Asian country > wanting to throw herself out the window, she was so distraught. Our > nurses are on the verge of resigning, the pressure has been so heavy > on them. > > I suspect the U.S. media, in typical fashion, sound-bit only those > things that were sensational, stupid or demeaning to Canadians. It's > the way they seem to see us. I apologize for Mel Lastman, Toronto's > mayor. But he was coming off a Hepatitus Interferon therapy and not > as coherent as he could be. His handlers were at fault for even > letting him go on CNN with Aaron Brown that day. What the hel, > more 'dumb Canadian' jokes for Jay and David. > > Yet, because Canada is a prime gateway to the U.S. for foreign > visitors, we were the buffer ... having to handle most of the disease- > bearing traffic that might have ended up in the U.S., had it not been > for our Health workers acting as quickly as they did. As a result, > U.S. health officials are taking credit for "handling" the situation > and there not being any significant outbreak of SARS there. > > If you don't mind my going really O.T., take the nonsense about > Canada's not wanting to get involved on the ground in the Gulf War. > Canada is already in Bosnia, Afghanistan and has frigates patrolling > the Persian Gulf protecting everyone's backside over there. We've had > a liberal government for at least 8 years and you know what liberals > think of the military. We don't have hardly any military resources > left. They're all elsewhere helping interdict terrorist threats, or > keeping the peace. Now our Royal Canadian Mounted Police are being > called upon to train cops in Iraq. C'mon guys, leave us alone. We're > doing ouir best with what we got. > > As for your trip Kevin, you have nothing to fear but fear itself. > There's little liklihood your vendor was in any Asian country over > the past 10 days. If you want to be warned about anything, make sure > you have sufficient photo ID when you cross the border, and be > prepared to explain your reasons for going back and forth. It used to > be a right that Canadians and Americans could cross the 38th parallel > freely. I guess that concept died on 9/11 and will take a long time > returning. > > Sorry for the diatribe. It just felt it had to be said. > > M.S. From marcelo@radioclube.com.br Wed Apr 30 12:00:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: marcelo@radioclube.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 19:00:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 17833 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 19:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 19:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 19:00:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 18:59:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:59:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SRF-A300 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 379 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jo=E3o_Marcelo_Franchozza?= X-Originating-IP: 200.171.30.173 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=114404417 X-Yahoo-Profile: marcelo_franchozza I finished to receive my Sony radio model SRF-A300 that I bought in Audio Cubes(www.audiocubes.com). Beyond pretty, it has a spectacular sound, also with all volume not distorse. Very sensible in the reception. Have enormous buttons and of simple operation. It operates with 4 batteries AAA(supplied) or AC. Excellent choice who to be wanted to acquire an excellent radio. From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Apr 30 12:12:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 19:12:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 90268 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 19:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 19:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 19:12:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 19:12:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:12:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM stereo, was Re: Very OT... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1011 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.73 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > AM stereo technology has a long and colorful history behind it, and > an equally long history ahead of it as long as -someone- gives a > damn about it. :) Besides, an AM stereo signal sounds better and > more lifelike even on a mono radio, Huh? Could you please explain why that should be? Given equivalent source material, and audio processing, the only reason an AM stereo signal should sound any different than an equivalent monophonic source, when received on a monophonic AM radio, would be as a result of the phase modulation used to transmit the stereo information in AM stereo systems. Is it the distortion heard in the receiver as a result of the phase modulation component of the AM stereo signal that makes AM stereo sound "better and more lifelike" on a monaural radio than a pure monaural signal does? The Audiophools discovered the nice euphonic sound of second harmonic distortion years ago. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Apr 30 12:38:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 19:38:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 36589 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 18:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 18:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 18:06:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 18:06:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:06:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM stereo, was Re: Very OT... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 915 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > AM stereo technology has a long and colorful history behind it, and > an equally long history ahead of it as long as -someone- gives a > damn about it. :) Besides, an AM stereo signal sounds better and > more lifelike even on a mono radio, Huh? Could you elaborate on the reasons behind this? Given the same audio sources, and processing, I see little reason why AM stereo broadcasts should sound better on a monophonic radio than a pure AM monophonic broadcast would. The only difference that I can see is the inevitable distortion received in the monophonic radio, caused by the phase modulation used to transmit the stereo information. Guess its that added even harmonic distortion that makes it sound "better and more lifelike", the Audiophools discovered the charms of second harmonic distortion years ago. John From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Apr 30 14:56:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 21:56:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 39023 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 21:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 21:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 21:49:48 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.144]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:48:22 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c30f62$87102620$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo, was Re: Very OT... Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:50:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 What it means is that a station that is equipped for proper stereo broadcast will more than likely have better procesing than a low-fi mono talk station. It DOES sound better on a mono radio. So if the station is using top notch processing, as would be needed for a quality stereo signal, it would sound better, on any radio. As for Phase modulation distortion heard in mono radios... I have never heard it on any of my sets- that was something from the very beginning that was quickly overcome. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: bta_50g From fanfare@globility.com Wed Apr 30 16:06:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 23:06:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 20539 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 22:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 22:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 22:26:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 22:25:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:25:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Very OT... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1427 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > No ... > > Let's really worry about AM stereo! > > This IBOC debacle should be turned into a plus for us (IBOC John excluded). > > Surely we have to get information out to the average joe about IBOC and AM > stereo - and Symphony and Omega. > > Can't some on the list come up with suggestions as to how we all could do > our bit to advance the cause? > > ))) AM stereo forever ((( Unfortunately, now that civilization is encroaching on rural antenna farms all over Canada, one problem that has reared its ugly head is how rf radiation can affect those who come into contact with it. In order to deal with that, the Canadian government has enacted "Safety Code 6". If you'd like to read it, the URL of the .pdf is; http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ehp/ehd/catalogue/rpb_pubs/99ehd237.pdf This is one of the reasons why the larger of Canada's radio groups are flipping their AM's to FM wherever they can. No doubt that problem is likely to become an issue in the U.S. in the not-too- distant future as urban sprawl continues. All it might take to get the bal rolling is a successful lawsuit that cited radiation induced sickness resulting in death. Aside from the "Crossed Fields" and "H Field" designs, I see newer 1/4 wave type antenna designs that may fill the bill. Are there any others out there we might be able to rely on? M.S. From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Apr 30 16:09:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 23:09:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 15762 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 23:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 23:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-2001-3.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 23:09:06 -0000 Received: from storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net (lawson-public-ipmux-1-pip-4.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.24]) by smtpout-2001-3.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 152E9BEFC for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA11180; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:09:05 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAgLSNhYt0E2PJF7WKwNnhhsRplQECFQCyT5VRrYpJTmBmkAZjZ7afSAiojw== Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:09:05 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 677 Message-ID: <13930-3EB05791-1049@storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 30 Apr 2003 08:05:46 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Question: Does anyone know a good radio station search engine for tech details, tower location, etc ?? I can't seem to get radiostation.com to work. William P. Snyder Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 593-6841 I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Apr 30 16:25:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 23:25:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 44111 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 23:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 23:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 23:25:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2003 23:25:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:25:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 677 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <13930-3EB05791-1049@storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 587 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, oldphones@w... wrote: > Question: Does anyone know a good radio station search engine for tech > details, tower location, etc ?? I can't seem to get radiostation.com > to work. > > William P. Snyder > Oldphones@ webtv. net > (402) 593-6841 > I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and > wiring items > http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage Try this URL: http://www.radio-locator.com/ Also in the US the FCC web page has the data at this URL: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/amq.html John From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Apr 30 16:37:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 30 Apr 2003 23:37:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 32120 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 23:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2003 23:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 23:18:24 -0000 Received: from storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net (lawson-public-ipmux-1-pip-4.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.24]) by smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 2BFC4BF2B for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA11516; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:18:24 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRzK4fj9FVwkaKwEHCPSJJHAGiPaAIVALgjQ6lqGL6UEJlsr2DbN2ryKQEz Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:18:23 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Call Sign Changes Message-ID: <13929-3EB059BF-1196@storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 30 Apr 2003 08:05:46 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 AN station update: KOIL Omaha has moved from 1180 to 1020 AM now running a country format (mono) 50,000 watts day , appox 500 to 1000 watts night This used to be KOTD and then KKSC until recently, and licensed to nearby Plattsmouth, NE I belive they have a null to the east to protect KDKA Pittsburgh, PA on the same channel. Radio Disney 1180 is now using the call KYDZ in place of KOIL. The KOIL call sign dates back to 1925 and was on 1290 AM for many years, then 1180, and now 1020. William P. Snyder Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 593-6841 I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Apr 30 17:09:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 00:09:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 97457 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 00:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 00:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 00:09:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2003 00:09:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 00:09:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Very OT... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1111 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > > This is one of the reasons why the larger of Canada's radio groups > are flipping their AM's to FM wherever they can. No doubt that > problem is likely to become an issue in the U.S. in the not-too- > distant future as urban sprawl continues. The "not-too-distant future" is not quite the correct term, "far- distant past" would probably describe the situation in the US more accurately. Housing developments and strip malls long ago were built right up to the fences around AM antenna systems in the US, the parking lots of some strip malls are even built over parts of the ground systems, running right up to base of the towers in some cases. > Aside from the "Crossed Fields" and "H Field" designs, I see newer > 1/4 wave type antenna designs that may fill the bill. Are there any > others out there we might be able to rely on? I thought the "Crossed Fields" antennas were long ago discredited? In any case how would a "Crossed Fields", "H Field", or "1/4 wave type antenna" solve the problem of urbanization? John From fanfare@globility.com Wed Apr 30 18:26:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 01:26:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 27033 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 01:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 01:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 01:25:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2003 01:25:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 01:25:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Very OT... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 605 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > I thought the "Crossed Fields" antennas were long ago discredited? In > any case how would a "Crossed Fields", "H Field", or "1/4 wave type > antenna" solve the problem of urbanization? Unless something has been seen, since this article on the CFA and EH antennas (sorry 'bout referring to it as the "H") http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/special-report/rw- antenna3.shtml or on the Kinstar antenna since; http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/special- report/01_rw_am_antenna_3.shtml I guess they won't. M.S. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 19:26:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 02:26:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 52739 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 02:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 02:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 02:26:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2003 02:26:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 02:26:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM stereo (on a mono receiver) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1862 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Given the same audio sources, and processing, I see little reason > why AM stereo broadcasts should sound better on a monophonic radio > than a pure AM monophonic broadcast would. In the 1980s, stations often were reported as "sounding better" on regular mono radios after upgrading to AM Stereo, but this was mostly due to the other technical improvements that accompanied the upgrade to Stereo -- most importantly better, more modern audio processing (out with the vintage Solid Statesmans and Audimax/Volumaxes and in with the multi-band gear). These days, the only real difference, if all other criteria is kept the same (source audio, audio processing, transmitter, antenna system, etc.), which could make an AM Stereo station sound better on a mono radio is that AM Stereo stations in the USA are required to use pre-emphasis according to the NRSC specs, while mono stations can use any type of pre-emphasis they want (or none at all) as long as they meet the NRSC spectral bandwidth mask. Indeed, in my area I have one mono AM station that uses virtually no pre-emphasis (although they sound VERY good, with their carefully adjusted Optimod 9100), and another that uses an amount of treble boost that is considerably greater than the NRSC spec (through their own custom-built audio processing and, yes, a "Solid Statesman" AM limiter, with the peak-flipping RELAY!). Tune in an AM Stereo station, however, and the NRSC pre-emphasis is a much better match for AMAX-type receivers, both Mono and Stereo. "Amy" was probably also talking about the fact that any AM Stereo station naturally sounds better than any IBOC station on a mono receiver, since the audio response is not harshly limited to 5 kHz and there's no awful hissing "hash" going on in the background of the audio and across at least 30 kHz's worth of dial space. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 19:26:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 02:26:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 7988 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 02:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 02:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 02:26:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2003 02:26:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 02:26:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM stereo, was Re: Very OT... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1204 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > > > AM stereo technology has a long and colorful history behind it, and > > an equally long history ahead of it as long as -someone- gives a > > damn about it. :) Besides, an AM stereo signal sounds better and > > more lifelike even on a mono radio, > > Huh? Could you please explain why that should be? Given equivalent > source material, and audio processing, the only reason an AM stereo > signal should sound any different than an equivalent monophonic > source, when received on a monophonic AM radio, would be as a result > of the phase modulation used to transmit the stereo information in AM > stereo systems. Is it the distortion heard in the receiver as a > result of the phase modulation component of the AM stereo signal that > makes AM stereo sound "better and more lifelike" on a monaural radio > than a pure monaural signal does? The Audiophools discovered the nice > euphonic sound of second harmonic distortion years ago. Congratulations! You just pretty much answered your own question. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 19:39:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 02:39:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 60094 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 02:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 02:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 02:39:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2003 02:39:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 02:39:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo (on a mono receiver) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 751 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > "Amy" was probably also talking about the fact that any AM Stereo > station naturally sounds better than any IBOC station on a mono > receiver, since the audio response is not harshly limited to 5 kHz > and there's no awful hissing "hash" going on in the background of the > audio and across at least 30 kHz's worth of dial space. Actually, I was thinking of phasing issues, which both analog AM stereo and IBOC require being dealt with, which DO affect the performance of a broadcaster, and I think does affect the fidelity of both the lows and highs, why it makes an AM stereo station sound better than a mono station on a mono radio. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Apr 30 21:05:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 04:05:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 96016 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 04:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 04:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 04:05:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2003 04:05:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 04:05:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo (on a mono receiver) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1701 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > These days, the only real difference, if all other criteria is kept > the same (source audio, audio processing, transmitter, antenna > system, etc.), which could make an AM Stereo station sound better on > a mono radio is that AM Stereo stations in the USA are required to > use pre-emphasis according to the NRSC specs, while mono stations > can use any type of pre-emphasis they want (or none at all) as long > as they meet the NRSC spectral bandwidth mask. Is this true, that AM stereo stations are required to use pre emphasis? It's just weird enough to be true, I will have to look it up. I seems strange that they would treat AM stereo differently than monaural AM, especially since FM stations are no longer required to use pre emphasis. > "Amy" was probably also talking about the fact that any AM Stereo > station naturally sounds better than any IBOC station on a mono > receiver, since the audio response is not harshly limited to 5 kHz > and there's no awful hissing "hash" going on in the background of > the audio and across at least 30 kHz's worth of dial space. I think I heard my first IBOC sideband hiss today, although I would hardly call it an "awful hissing hash", it was a pleasant soft continuos hiss on each side of the main carrier. What was unpleasant was the loud crackling noises each side of non IBOC stations, which I assume was because the IBOC sidebands probably cover-up the more raucous unpleasant noises, and the receivers AGC then probably pushes the level down to where you only hear the nice soft hiss. Now all I need is an IBOC capable radio. :) John From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Apr 30 21:09:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 04:09:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 3447 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 04:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 04:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 04:09:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2003 04:09:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 04:09:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM stereo, was Re: Very OT... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 709 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > > Is it the distortion heard in the receiver as a result > > of the phase modulation component of the AM stereo signal > > that makes AM stereo sound "better and more lifelike" on a > > monaural radio than a pure monaural signal does? > > The Audiophools discovered the nice euphonic sound of second > > harmonic distortion years ago. > > Congratulations! You just pretty much answered your own question. :) So you are saying AM stereo sounds better than monaural programs do on monaural AM radios because of the harmonic distortion added to the reproduced audio by the phase modulated stereo difference signal? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Apr 30 21:11:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 04:11:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 19805 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 04:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 04:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 04:11:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2003 04:11:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 04:11:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo (on a mono receiver) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 743 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > Actually, I was thinking of phasing issues, which both analog AM > stereo and IBOC require being dealt with, which DO affect the > performance of a broadcaster, and I think does affect the fidelity > of both the lows and highs, why it makes an AM stereo station sound > better than a mono station on a mono radio. I meant to include that in my "all other things being equal" list, but I forgot. It is my belief that many of the better sounding AM stations of the past, prior to AM stereo, actually realized the importance of this problem, and took steps to deal with it, while their competitors were left to wonder why they didn't sound as good. John From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Apr 30 22:48:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 05:48:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 53498 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 05:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 05:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 05:48:12 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.103.2d0ebe73 (4402) for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 01:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <103.2d0ebe73.2be20f19@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 01:48:09 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Prophet -> profit To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10540 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clear Channel's "Prophet" system has actually been UNPROFITABLE for them; how can they claim this to be "profitable" when they have had only one quarterly profit since 1996, and have consistently been bleeding red ink? The only way radio can ever be profitable again is by dropping the crappy IBOC system, outlawing voicetracking forever, and restoring ownership limits. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Apr 30 22:48:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 05:48:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 53595 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 05:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 05:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 05:48:17 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.c9.3302f3e7 (4402) for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 01:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 01:48:10 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10540 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why don't they ban the illegal IBOC broadcasts altogether, and continue to improve analog radio? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 01 08:24:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 15:24:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 98688 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 15:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 15:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 15:24:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2003 15:24:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:24:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo (on a mono receiver) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3533 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > the IBOC sidebands probably cover-up the more raucous unpleasant > noises, and the receivers AGC then probably pushes the level down > to where you only hear the nice soft hiss. If you're hearing the IBOC hash of a local station as a "nice soft hiss", either you're using a receiver with poor sensitivity or one that has very little AGC action... because the common experience with AM IBOC signals is exactly the opposite of what you describe. The IBOC digital sidebands are transmitted at only a fraction of the power of the station's main analog signal. Thus, when tuned to a channel adjacent or second-adjacent to an IBOC station, the AGC in most AM radios will *increase* the loudness of this "hash" to the point where it comes out actually *louder* than that of the station's main analog audio (since when played back at equally compensated levels, continuous hiss/white noise sounds louder than normal music/talk audio). I also assume you are trying to compare the "hash" of an IBOC station to the adjacent channel "monkey chatter" as heard from a regular analog AM station. To a certain extent I would agree that a continuous hiss would be less annoying than the "monkey chatter", but only if it is at a LOW level. The comparison also becomes skewed if you use an AMAX-type radio with automatically variable bandwidth because IBOC hash would hold it open at the full bandwith (maximum treble response), while being off-tuned to an analog station would keep it more towards the narrowest bandwidth setting. It also seems that you must not be using a receiver with an audio bandwidth any greater than 5 kHz, because otherwise you would hear an annoyingly constant hiss in the background of the IBOC station's main analog audio. Even on a new VW car radio which has AM audio flat to 6 kHz and then drops off like a cliff, I can still hear the hiss in the background enough for it to be annoying. In fact this 1 kHz difference is quite important because on this radio, the 6 kHz's worth of audio as heard from analog AM stations -- as well as 710 WOR at night (with the IBOC off) actually sounds quite crisp and clear and reasonably pleasant, even for music. But, when tuned to WOR with their IBOC on, I can instantly tell the difference with their 5 kHz audio -- that 1 kHz decrease in bandwidth might seem insignificant, but in reality 5 kHz audio sounds drastically worse than 6 kHz, and is not "hi-fi" or even "mid-fi" no matter how you adjust the tone controls. This is because that 1 kHz difference occurs right in the middle of the ear's most sensitive region in terms of distinguishing the high frequency "sibilants" which help make human voice easily understandable. Most sibilants occur at 4.5 kHz and above. This is why if somebody pronounces the letters "F" and "S" on a telephone, you can hardly tell the difference because with the phone's ~3 kHz bandwidth, you are not hearing any of the sibilant sounds which distinguish these letters. With IBOC's 5 kHz analog audio, you are only hearing 0.5 kHz's worth of these sibilants which is better than nothing but still does not provide a natural-sounding and clearly understanable sound. When this is increased to 6 kHz, that *triples* the amount of the sibilant region which you can hear, and voice becomes *drastically* more natural-sounding and understandable, as well as music becomes more life-like although both are still clearly inferior to the full 10 kHz audio that an analog AM station can provide. From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu May 01 09:39:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 16:39:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 48677 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 16:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 16:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 16:39:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2003 16:39:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:39:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 667 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Why don't they ban the illegal IBOC broadcasts altogether, and > continue to improve analog radio? Since when are the IBOC broadcasts illegal? As to why not continue to improve analog radio, it is a mature technology that has little room left for improvement, have you come up with a revolutionary way to improve traditional analog radio broadcasting technology? Another problem with analog radio is that the number of new features it can accommodate is limited. It is time to make a break from the past, and look toward the future. Low Level Modulation-The Choice Of The Old Generation John From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu May 01 09:51:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 16:51:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 93144 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 16:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 16:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 16:51:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2003 16:51:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:51:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: My letter to www.radioworld.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1391 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Analog AM Stereo offers audio frequency response up to 10 kHz -- > two-thirds of the human range of hearing -- and accurate, full- > dimensional stereo separation throughout this range. Subjectively, > many listeners claim it sounds equal to or even better than FM > stereo, due to the type of audio processing that AM Stereo stations > use. I know modern audio processing is a controversial subject, and tastes in processing vary widely, but I don't understand why "the type of audio processing that AM Stereo stations use" would make them sound better than FM stations? If this were true, and a majority of the radio audience felt the same way, wouldn't FM stations start using processing similar to this "type of audio processing that AM Stereo stations use"? I can only think of one thing that can be done in AM processing that can't be done with FM processing. Obviously you can't just plug an AM processor into an FM application without changing that aspect of the way it works, but I doubt this difference accounts for what you feel gives AM processing its superior sound compared to FM processing, and that difference could be easily compensated for if its effect actually proved to be of great importance to good sound. Low Level Modulation-The Choice Of The Old Generation John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 01 11:19:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 18:19:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 65804 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 18:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 18:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 18:19:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2003 18:19:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:19:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: My letter to www.radioworld.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2945 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I don't understand why "the type of audio processing that AM Stereo > stations use" would make them sound better than FM stations? FM's pre-emphasis curve provides up to a 17 dB boost of the high frequencies. In order to accommodate this while still achieving good modulation levels, the high treble much be aggressively compressed and limited. This creates "antiseptic sizzle" kind of sound that is a well known characteristic of FM radio, as well as pre-recorded cassette tapes (which use even more drastic pre-emphasis curves to overcome "tape hiss"). In many cases it is subjectively preferable to simply not deal with these high frequncies above 10 kHz, rather than have to limit their dynamic range to the point of annoyance and listener fatigue. Thus, when "competitive" amounts of audio processing are used, AM actually can sound *better* because of its NRSC 10 kHz audio response limitation. It also helps that audio content above 10 kHz mostly consists of harmonics and white noise which is not musically important, while the audio below 10 kHz can be subjected to greater amounts of audio processing without causing listener fatigue, especially since AM's NRSC pre-emphasis curve is less aggressive than FM's throughout the entire audio range. In "competitive" marketplaces AM also has an advantage in the quality of its audio processing. The extreme levels of peak limiting and clipping used to gain maximum loudness on FM often causes immediately noticeable amounts of distortion, especially in the bass. Even FM stations using the latest Optimod and Omnia processing and with the biggest budgets to spend on equipment and engineering still often sound distorted on the air. In comparison, I rarely, if ever, hear this kind of objectionable distortion from AM stations, no matter how big or small they are. Modern transmitters and audio processors can create highly modulated AM and AM Stereo signals which have absolutely *no* audible distortion, and even less-than-perfect stations sound very good on modern AM Stereo receivers which appear to have distortion reduction techniques which work even on mono signals. AM audio processing also often focuses more detail on the mid-range, so that the sound is not "all bass and all treble and nothing in between" as it often seems on FM. This creates a more "warm" and "mellow" type of sound which many listeners prefer, as more emphasis is placed on the most musically and vocally important audio frequencies. AM Stereo also entails the use of matrix processing, which is a whole other discussion of objective and subjective differences versus FM's discrete-channel processing. Suffice it to say that AM Stereo's matrix processing creates an active Stereo enhancement that provides a wider perceived Stereo separation, with much greater consistency than any passive Stereo enhancement effect like "Stereo-Wide", "IMX", or "SRS". From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu May 01 11:30:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 18:30:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 64585 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 18:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 18:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 18:30:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2003 18:29:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:29:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2403 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.238 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > Why don't they ban the illegal IBOC broadcasts altogether, and > > continue to improve analog radio? > > Since when are the IBOC broadcasts illegal? As to why not continue to > improve analog radio, it is a mature technology that has little room > left for improvement, have you come up with a revolutionary way to > improve traditional analog radio broadcasting technology? Another > problem with analog radio is that the number of new features it can > accommodate is limited. It is time to make a break from the past, and > look toward the future. > > Low Level Modulation-The Choice Of The Old Generation > John I'm not against new technology but trying to implement it in the already crowded AM band in a hybrid mode is the reason why we have these conflicts. Hybrid IBOC has to run in a crippled mode so broadcasters can maintain their audience during the transition phase. What percentage of market saturation of the new IBOC MW receivers will be needed before a broadcaster can go full digital and not loose a majority of their audience. How many years will it take for this market saturation to occur before full digital mode can be used by most stations. Are the people that interested in a new type of receiver for the MW band. The MW band is mostly talk and works just fine for that purpose. Although nighttime interference can be a proglem it is not a major issue for most of my local stations I listen to. When you say it's time to break from the past the first break I would make whould be from the MW band. Lower frequency means electrically longer wavelengths and bigger antenna farms which thanslates to more $$$. I was recently mentioned here that this was a factor why many Canadian AM stations were switching to FM, that these antenna farms were a money pit. The major broadcast conglermates have enough clout with the FCC to do this in a different band. If they would have thought of this earlier all kinds of spectrum were being auctioned off and they could of grabbed some for this purpose. The initial cost for this transistion may be more expensive but in the long run it will pay off. Enough people weren't willing to buy AM Stereo units for it to attain windespread use I think the situation for IBOC will be much worse. JSG From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu May 01 12:12:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 19:12:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 74834 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 19:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 19:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 19:12:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2003 19:11:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 19:11:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo (on a mono receiver) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4199 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.115 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > the IBOC sidebands probably cover-up the more raucous unpleasant > > noises, and the receivers AGC then probably pushes the level down > > to where you only hear the nice soft hiss. > > If you're hearing the IBOC hash of a local station as a "nice soft > hiss", either you're using a receiver with poor sensitivity or one > that has very little AGC action... because the common experience > with AM IBOC signals is exactly the opposite of what you describe. Interesting, I don't know about the sensitivity issue one way or the other, but I took the effect I was hearing to be the result of good AGC, not poor. The station in question is not a local station, but is in an adjacent market, although the transmitter site of this AM station is located nearly mid way between the central cities, and is not much further away from me than are the transmitters of the local FM stations. > The IBOC digital sidebands are transmitted at only a fraction of the > power of the station's main analog signal. Thus, when tuned to a > channel adjacent or second-adjacent to an IBOC station, the AGC in > most AM radios will *increase* the loudness of this "hash" to the > point where it comes out actually *louder* than that of the > station's main analog audio (since when played back at equally > compensated levels, continuous hiss/white noise sounds louder than > normal music/talk audio). The AGC does increase the IBOC adjacent channel hiss to a greater level relative to the carrier than it would be with a fixed gain receiver, but it also brings up the noise on channels adjacent to non IBOC stations too, and yesterday when the hiss was on, there were storms approaching in the distance, so there was a lot of static like adjacent channel noise around the non IBOC stations, which the AGC also brings up in level. This normal adjacent channel noise was not in the nature of a nice soft constant hiss, but rather was an annoying crackle type of static. I assume the hiss around the station that may have been transmitting IBOC was stronger than this annoying atmospheric noise, and so provided the dominant character to the noise heard around the IBOC station, with the AGC pushing both the IBOC hiss, and the lower level crackle like static down to a uniform level, the same average level as the crackle like static noise around the other stations, but without the irritating crackle like static type sound, just a nice pleasant constant level hiss. > I also assume you are trying to compare the "hash" of an IBOC > station to the adjacent channel "monkey chatter" as heard from a > regular analog AM station. To a certain extent I would agree that a > continuous hiss would be less annoying than the "monkey chatter", > but only if it is at a LOW level. The comparison also becomes > skewed if you use an AMAX-type radio with automatically variable > bandwidth because IBOC hash would hold it open at the full bandwith > (maximum treble response), while being off-tuned to an analog > station would keep it more towards the narrowest bandwidth setting. In my experience "monkey chatter" only appears when there is a significant carrier on the adjacent channel to "demodulate" it, in this case there are no significant carriers adjacent to the local stations, at least during daylight hours. > It also seems that you must not be using a receiver with an audio > bandwidth any greater than 5 kHz, because otherwise you would hear > an annoyingly constant hiss in the background of the IBOC station's > main analog audio. Even on a new VW car radio which has AM audio > flat to 6 kHz and then drops off like a cliff, I can still hear the > hiss in the background enough for it to be annoying. This is an effect I planned to investigate further, but I need to wait for the IBOC to be on again before I can investigate this point in more detail. The IBOC doesn't seem to be on today, assuming I wasn't imagining the whole thing yesterday. I'm not sure about the bandwidth of the car radio in question. Low Level Modulation-The Choice Of The Old Generation John From michaelj@vcn.com Thu May 01 13:31:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 20:31:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 27397 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 20:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 20:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 20:31:00 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.17]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id ; Thu, 1 May 2003 14:31:00 -0600 To: Cc: "ABDX@topica. com" Subject: Big switch in Utah Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:30:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well my hopes for an AM Stereo station in the Salt Lake City market have now been let down. The "big switch" occurred today. KALL-910 moved the news-talk programming and the call (KALL) letters over to 700. 700 was classic country. Both were mono. The classic country format is now history. ClearChannel sold 910 to ABC/Disney. 700 was already ClearChannel owned and had the KWLW calls. (see the similarity there?). 700 is now KALL-700. Still mono. No big surprise there. (Clearchannel). Meanwhile what I was HOPING for was a similar situation to occur as to what happened in Los Angeles when Radio Disney moved from 710 over to 1110.....they actually turned the stereo ON at 1110 since the equipment already existed over there. ABC/Disney now owns 910...new calls are KWDZ. KALL 910 was one of the dominant AM Stereo stations til they shut it off in the mid 90s. So I KNOW there's stereo equipment there. I was hoping ABC/Disney would turn the pilot back on at 910 when they put the radio disney format there. No dice. It's mono. I know it only happened today and I guess there's still some hope. I'll keep an ear on the radio and an eye on the stereo indicator at 910. Meanwhile Citadel-owned 860 KBEE-AM has had the radio disney format for several years now, and still does. The two are simulcasting until May 15th, when Citadel will pull the plug on the Disney and do something else.....which is unknown at the moment. 860 was another one that had stereo at one time back in the late 80s, but never did turn it on when they put the Disney format on it. Then again, Citadel is not known for their AM stereo support. As a matter of fact, they turned OFF the stereo at KBOI in Boise when they switched it from full service to news/talk. What I was hoping would make a difference here (as it did in L.A.) was the 860 was an affiliate....910 is DISNEY-OWNED. Sounded kinda funky....I think they may be feeding only one channel to the transmitter. Who knows....maybe they're working on getting the other STL working or something. They may have flipped over to the 2 STL's at midnight last night and realized that one channel was missing or something. They could be working on it. We can always hope, right? Would be nice for AM Stereo to return to Salt Lake City. DXers, keep a watchful ear so you can log the new stations with call changes now. 700 is now KALL - News/Talk, and 910 is now KWDZ - Radio Disney. My only other hope is a new station coming on soon at 820 there. New calls of that one are KUTR. It is rumored to be a music-formatted station....50KW day. I'm hoping for AM Stereo there. We'll see as soon as it comes on. I guess they're still building that one. Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu May 01 14:25:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 21:25:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 80204 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 21:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 21:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 21:08:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2003 21:08:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 21:08:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: My letter to www.radioworld.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5220 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I don't understand why "the type of audio processing that AM Stereo > > stations use" would make them sound better than FM stations? > > FM's pre-emphasis curve provides up to a 17 dB boost of the high > frequencies. In order to accommodate this while still achieving > good modulation levels, the high treble much be aggressively > compressed and limited. This creates "antiseptic sizzle" kind of > sound that is a well known characteristic of FM radio, as well as > pre-recorded cassette tapes (which use even more drastic pre- > emphasis curves to overcome "tape hiss"). You would have less of a probelm with cassette tapes if you used 120 usec equalization, rather than the more popular 70 usec equalization. > In many cases it is subjectively preferable to simply not deal with > these high frequncies above 10 kHz, rather than have to limit their > dynamic range to the point of annoyance and listener fatigue. Thus, > when "competitive" amounts of audio processing are used, AM actually > can sound *better* because of its NRSC 10 kHz audio response > limitation. > > It also helps that audio content above 10 kHz mostly consists of > harmonics and white noise which is not musically important, while > the audio below 10 kHz can be subjected to greater amounts of audio > processing without causing listener fatigue, especially since AM's > NRSC pre-emphasis curve is less aggressive than FM's throughout the > entire audio range. > > In "competitive" marketplaces AM also has an advantage in the > quality of its audio processing. The extreme levels of peak > limiting and clipping used to gain maximum loudness on FM often > causes immediately noticeable amounts of distortion, especially in > the bass. Even FM stations using the latest Optimod and Omnia > processing and with the biggest budgets to spend on equipment and > engineering still often sound distorted on the air. > > In comparison, I rarely, if ever, hear this kind of objectionable > distortion from AM stations, no matter how big or small they are. > Modern transmitters and audio processors can create highly modulated > AM and AM Stereo signals which have absolutely *no* audible > distortion, and even less-than-perfect stations sound very good on > modern AM Stereo receivers which appear to have distortion reduction > techniques which work even on mono signals. > > AM audio processing also often focuses more detail on the mid-range, > so that the sound is not "all bass and all treble and nothing in > between" as it often seems on FM. This creates a more "warm" and > "mellow" type of sound which many listeners prefer, as more emphasis > is placed on the most musically and vocally important audio > frequencies. As I said, modern audio processing is a controversial subject, so let's assume that AM processing as you have described it above gives better sound than FM processing. There is no reason why an FM station that wanted this superior sound couldn't use the NRSC AM pre emphasis curve on FM, along with all the AM processing you describe above, to achieve even better sound than it achieves on AM. Beyond a limit on the maximum allowed, there is no requirement that FM stations use any particular pre emphasis, so AM type pre emphasis could easily be used on FM. Even in the days when the FM regulations required the use of pre emphasis, the tolerance was so wide, that the NRSC AM pre emphasis curve would probably fit into the old FM pre emphasis mask. Oh, by the way I looked up the AM stereo pre emphasis regulations, and you were right, the NRSC pre emphasis curve is required for AM stations that are running stereo. So if it really sounds better, there is no reason why an FM station couldn't also use AM style pre emphasis and processing, with the following exception. > AM Stereo also entails the use of matrix processing, which is a > whole other discussion of objective and subjective differences > versus FM's discrete-channel processing. Suffice it to say that AM > Stereo's matrix processing creates an active Stereo enhancement that > provides a wider perceived Stereo separation, with much greater > consistency than any passive Stereo enhancement effect like "Stereo- > Wide", "IMX", or "SRS". This is the difference between AM and FM processing that I alluded to in my previous post. I thought the main reason for matrix processing, which is possible with the AM systems, but not the FM system, was to improve compatibility with monophonic radios. Assuming that the "Stereo enhancement" effect of matrix processing that you mention is really desirable, I don't see why you couldn't do the same on FM, as long as you were willing to accept a slight loss of overall loudness, it would be a tradeoff. I question if this so called "Stereo enhancement" effect of "matrix" processing really gives better sound for the stereo listener though. I myself would prefer that both AM and FM processing were restricted to a broad band AGC, and a multi band limiter, conservatively applied. Low Level Modulation-The Choice Of The Old Generation John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 01 16:07:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 1 May 2003 23:07:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 53318 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 23:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2003 23:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 23:07:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2003 23:07:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 23:06:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: My letter to www.radioworld.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2253 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 207.200.166.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You would have less of a probelm with cassette tapes if you used > 120 usec equalization, rather than the more popular 70 usec > equalization. That's not an issue when you record your own cassettes. But pre- recorded cassettes, especially those from Sony Music Entertainment that no longer use Dolby B NR, as so "sonically squished" that the level meters will often be pegging at +8 dB through the entire chorus of a song! > better sound than FM processing. There is no reason why an FM > station that wanted this superior sound couldn't use the NRSC AM > pre emphasis curve on FM Except in Canada, where FM stations are required to follow the standard 75 uS FM curve within +/- 1 dB up to 15 kHz. U.S. stations have a bit more flexibility, and a surprising amount are transmitting audio up to at least 17 to 18 kHz. Another improvement would be if North America switched to a 50 uS curve for FM, such as what Europe and Asia uses. Most receivers are built for the 50 uS curve anyway so it would actually sound better, in addition to freeing up some of the dynamic range of the high treble. > I myself would prefer that both AM and FM processing were > restricted to a broad band AGC, and a multi band limiter, > conservatively applied. I think we can agree that audio processing should be used as an *art* rather than as a *weapon* -- and this applies right down to the mixing and mastering of the CDs we listen to. CDs have had their own "Loudness Wars" over the past decade, with *heavy* amounts of multi-band compression, limiting, and clipping being applied, all with the goal of making the music "louder" and more "radio-like". Unfortunately a large fallacy supporting this is that it makes the music louder when played on the radio -- which is simply not true! As Robert Orban himself has discussed, excessively pre-processed CD audio basically defeats most of what an Optimod-type radio station processor can do, leaving it with nothing to do except have the AGC knock down the gain to prevent overmodulation. Thus, "hypercompressed" CDs commonly sound *quieter* when played on the air! More information on CD "hypercompression" can be found on this web site: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/cdpage/ From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu May 01 22:15:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 2 May 2003 05:15:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 4786 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 05:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2003 05:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2003 05:15:56 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.ac.3f17b739 (4246) for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 01:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 01:15:53 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10552 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBOC broadcasts have ALWAYS been illegal...it violates NRSC regulations. It also violates interference standards; it causes massive ACI. Besides, IBOC is NOT COMPATIBLE with our existing receivers; five billion receivers in the U.S. marketplace will have to be replaced if the inferior IBOC system ever comes to pass (and it won't). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu May 01 22:16:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 2 May 2003 05:16:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 36849 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 05:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2003 05:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2003 05:16:01 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.66.317e0364 (4246) for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 01:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <66.317e0364.2be35907@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 01:15:51 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10552 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only way we can look to the future, JSG, is to restore ownership limits. IBOC is SIMPLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH when analog is SUPERIOR. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri May 02 00:32:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 2 May 2003 07:32:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 24281 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 07:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2003 07:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2003 07:32:16 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.173]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 03:30:53 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c3107d$10989f60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Ripflash review Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 03:33:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Coming soon.... I am about to leave for work, but wanted to let everyone know that I will be posting a review of both Ripflashes this morning. The short version now- go with the first edition- reasons to follow in about 2 hours. Chris From ccuff@in4web.com Fri May 02 02:52:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 2 May 2003 09:52:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 17729 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 09:52:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2003 09:52:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2003 09:52:49 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 05:51:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c31090$9671a0b0$0d01a8c0@Chris1> To: Subject: Ripflash(continued) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 05:52:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, here are my observations on the Trio and the standard Ripflash: (both of these record both "on the fly" line in recording without a computer, or by USB PC recording) The Trio:- First impression, is that it is a beautiful unit. Tiny, with a precision look and feel. This model has an FM tuner built in, but it is only marginal. Only local stations will come in, and any movement of the headphone cord will cause fading. My opinion, is why bother with adding a radio if it cannot perform? Next, it has 128M of built in memory, NOT expandable. This is good for 2 hours of 128Kbps MP3's. The display is tiny, but full featured, showing ID tags, elapsed time, battery life, etc. It is also EL backlit. Nice touch. The buttons are difficult. Too few buttons for too many features. You have to be quick stepping between menus and functions or it defaults back to play mode. The power button is the record button. Keep it pressed a bit too long, and it starts voice recording. The built in speaker is only a token gesture. It is a 1/2" earbud element, fastened inside the front. The earphone jack is a 2.5mm jack, as is the line in jack. They give you adapters to go to 3.5mm (standard mini size) Battery is a rechargeable "gumstick" NiMh 1.2 volt battery. Sound quality through quality headphones is good, but at only 8mw per channel, there is no headroom- you will be keeping it at full blast all the time. Microphone recordings are fine. They give you everything you need as far as cables and accessories. Software loading was a breeze, no problems. Sidenote: I have 9 USB driven products. EVERY one has a different plug- ARRRGH! Onto the normal ripflash: Lower in cost,($99.00 at their website www.pogoproducts.com ) same basic memory, but expandable to 256Meg with smart media cards. Display cannot show text ID, no backlite. Uses standard AAA batteries. MUCH better control of unit- more buttons for each function, and you can use them without looking at the book each time. A little bigger in size, yet still "sub-shirtpocket" Sound is good, same lament about lack of headroom. 4 position preset GEQ (same as Trio) cc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri May 02 05:38:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 2 May 2003 12:38:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 32947 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 12:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2003 12:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2003 12:38:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20030502123818.18867.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 May 2003 05:38:18 PDT Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 05:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help in Utah? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey folks, can we write a letter or two out to Utah to encourage the AM Stereo be turned-on at the already equipped stations? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri May 02 05:45:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 2 May 2003 12:45:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 81202 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 12:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2003 12:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2003 12:45:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20030502124523.8380.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 May 2003 05:45:23 PDT Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 05:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: We Need to Comment to the FCC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio With the FCC hell-bent on removing the last "winner own-all" rules, we all need to comment to the FCC on NOT removing the 'cross-ownership' bans that exist. If they get removed, Clear Channel can own all your radio stations, TV stations, your 'local' newspaper and your local cable system as well as every billboard in town. As an example of how two-faced Mr. Mays at Clear Channel has gotten, read the following examples: ... Compare quotes from CEO Lowry Mays. In Fortune Magazine, February 18, 2003: "If anyone said we were in the radio business, it wouldn't be someone from our company," says Mays, 67. "We're not in the business of providing news and information. We're not in the business of providing well-researched music. We're simply in the business of selling our customers products." And in the company's April 9 press release regarding the pay-for-play decision: "Our radio stations have been entrusted by the government to provide the American public with the best news, information and entertainment that we possibly can," Mays added. "So when policymakers express concerns, we believe it's our duty to be responsive." It's clear that the company is changing its tune, most likely because of the increased scrutiny that it's been facing and the importance of staying in Congress' good graces with the upcoming FCC rule changes on June 2. Here are some of the best articles about Clear Channel's announcement and the most likely outcomes for musicians, labels and radio listeners: Habla usted Clear Channel? If the FCC allows the two biggest Spanish-language media companies in the U.S. to merge, it'll create a media conglomerate that will dwarf all competitors -- and could help GOP-friendly radio titan Clear Channel deliver Hispanic votes for Bush in '04. Eric Boehlert Salon.com, April 24, 2003 http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/04/24/univision/index.html Can't Buy a Thrill "Clear Channel is in the middle of a charm offensive," says Michael Bracy, who founded the Future of Music Coalition with indie rocker Jenny Toomey. "The FCC is right now considering rules that would make this look like child's play." by Josh Goldfein Village Voice, April 16, 2003 http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0316/sotc.php We haven't seen the last of pay-for-play ...Instead of funneling money through independent promoters to radio stations, record companies will now have to deal directly with Clear Channel programmers in seeking access to the airwaves. And, as in all things radio, money will talk. The radio giant said as much in a statement announcing the move, in which it promised a "new, restructured relationship with the recording industry . . . on specific group-wide contesting, promotions and marketing opportunities." By Greg Kot Chicago Tribune, April 13, 2003 http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/arts/chi-0304130407apr13,1,668938.sto ry Embattled channel searching for clear daylight By Abigail Rayner London Times, April 12, 2003 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,630-643078,00.html Clear Channel listens to its critics In a move that could dramatically change what gets played on the airwaves, the country's largest radio station owner, Clear Channel Communications, said Wednesday it will sever ties with independent music promoters. By L.A. Lorek San Antonio Express, April 10, 2003 http://news.mysanantonio.com/story.cfm?xla=saen&xlb=180&xlc=977795 Clear Channel Cuts Ties with Independent Promoters Clear Channel Communications Inc. on Wednesday said it would cut ties with music promoters who are paid by record labels to trumpet songs to radio stations, saying the long-standing practice gives the appearance of "pay for play." Reuters, April 9, 2003 http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=industryNews&storyID=2537052 If you want to know more about the indie promotion system, read Eric Boehlert's series of articles on Salon.com http://archive.salon.com/ent/clear_channel/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri May 02 07:10:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 2 May 2003 14:10:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 62937 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 14:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2003 14:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41013.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2003 14:10:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20030502141009.65662.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.43.26] by web41013.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 May 2003 07:10:09 PDT Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} We Need to Comment to the FCC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030502124523.8380.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Where is the docket for that? I have trouble navigating some of the FCC website because so much is there. By the way, does anyone know if WALE-Greenville, R.I. got fined yet? Thanks and 73! Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From mwradio@gmx.net Fri May 02 08:23:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 2 May 2003 15:23:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 53681 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 15:23:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2003 15:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1.ispmail.dnbsi.com) (198.136.194.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2003 15:23:20 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool197-57.nas11.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.197.57]) by m1.ispmail.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A4458FC67 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 08:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00d901c310be$a6f96a20$06630780@espositojm2> To: References: <000b01c31090$9671a0b0$0d01a8c0@Chris1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ripflash(continued) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:22:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm I have the standard Ripflash and used it a few times to record some talk shows on the radio. Like you said the buttons and menu is a bit tedious but it was acceptable for me. My biggest complaint was not having the option to use an external power supply. With two 750maH AAA rechargeable batteries you get maybe 8-10 hours of use. For anyone interested I would sell my 128MB Ripflash + 128MB Smartmedia Card for $90 shipped anywhere in the US. My one month old son and three year old daughter have made playing with these kind of gadgets nearly impossible..... E-mail if interested..... Joe Esposito ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" To: Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:52 AM Subject: {AMSF} Ripflash(continued) > Onto the normal ripflash: > Lower in cost,($99.00 at their website www.pogoproducts.com ) same basic memory, but expandable to 256Meg with smart media cards. > Display cannot show text ID, no backlite. > Uses standard AAA batteries. > MUCH better control of unit- more buttons for each function, and you can use them without looking at the book each time. > A little bigger in size, yet still "sub-shirtpocket" > Sound is good, same lament about lack of headroom. 4 position preset GEQ (same as Trio) > cc > From mwradio@gmx.net Fri May 02 08:50:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 2 May 2003 15:50:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 52517 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 15:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2003 15:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1.ispmail.dnbsi.com) (198.136.194.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2003 15:45:06 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool197-57.nas11.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.197.57]) by m1.ispmail.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EE9988FC54 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 08:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <013101c310c1$b1291ce0$06630780@espositojm2> To: Subject: Radio YourWay AM/FM Radio Recorder from PogoProducts? Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:44:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm PogoProducts has another mp3/wma recorder coming out in May: http://www.pogoproducts.com/radio_yourway.html This mp3/mwa recorder also has in internal AM/FM radio and supposedly the ability to "program" record times. I wonder how the AM end of the device will work? I have the Ripflash and if I move it anywhere near an AM radio I get a good bit of interference. I would hope if that if Pogoproducts is marketing this as a "radio recorder", the AM band is more than just an interference catcher..... It definitely looks like an interesting niche product... Joe Esposito From atv69nj@yahoo.com Fri May 02 12:02:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: atv69nj@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 2 May 2003 19:02:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 62711 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 19:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2003 19:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web13203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.188) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2003 19:02:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20030502190216.82275.qmail@web13203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.33.57.99] by web13203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 May 2003 12:02:16 PDT Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 679 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1051849816.1538.71552.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "atv69nj@yahoo.com" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127038768 X-Yahoo-Profile: atv69nj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how do you know that wsai dropped iboc? do you have any inside information to confirm this? Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 17 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. AM stereo (on a mono receiver) From: "Kevin T." 2. AM stereo, was Re: Very OT... From: "amymousie" 3. Re: AM stereo (on a mono receiver) From: "amymousie" 4. Re: AM stereo (on a mono receiver) From: "bta_50g" 5. AM stereo, was Re: Very OT... From: "bta_50g" 6. Re: AM stereo (on a mono receiver) From: "bta_50g" 7. Re: Prophet -> profit From: n0uiheric@aol.com 8. Re: 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC From: n0uiheric@aol.com 9. Re: AM stereo (on a mono receiver) From: "Kevin T." 10. Re: 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC From: "bta_50g" 11. Re: My letter to www.radioworld.com From: "bta_50g" 12. Re: My letter to www.radioworld.com From: "Kevin T." 13. Re: 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC From: "jsgilst" 14. Re: AM stereo (on a mono receiver) From: "bta_50g" 15. Big switch in Utah From: "Michael J. Richard" 16. Re: My letter to www.radioworld.com From: "bta_50g" 17. Re: My letter to www.radioworld.com From: "Kevin T." ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 02:26:04 -0000 From: "Kevin T." Subject: AM stereo (on a mono receiver) > Given the same audio sources, and processing, I see little reason > why AM stereo broadcasts should sound better on a monophonic radio > than a pure AM monophonic broadcast would. In the 1980s, stations often were reported as "sounding better" on regular mono radios after upgrading to AM Stereo, but this was mostly due to the other technical improvements that accompanied the upgrade to Stereo -- most importantly better, more modern audio processing (out with the vintage Solid Statesmans and Audimax/Volumaxes and in with the multi-band gear). These days, the only real difference, if all other criteria is kept the same (source audio, audio processing, transmitter, antenna system, etc.), which could make an AM Stereo station sound better on a mono radio is that AM Stereo stations in the USA are required to use pre-emphasis according to the NRSC specs, while mono stations can use any type of pre-emphasis they want (or none at all) as long as they meet the NRSC spectral bandwidth mask. Indeed, in my area I have one mono AM station that uses virtually no pre-emphasis (although they sound VERY good, with their carefully adjusted Optimod 9100), and another that uses an amount of treble boost that is considerably greater than the NRSC spec (through their own custom-built audio processing and, yes, a "Solid Statesman" AM limiter, with the peak-flipping RELAY!). Tune in an AM Stereo station, however, and the NRSC pre-emphasis is a much better match for AMAX-type receivers, both Mono and Stereo. "Amy" was probably also talking about the fact that any AM Stereo station naturally sounds better than any IBOC station on a mono receiver, since the audio response is not harshly limited to 5 kHz and there's no awful hissing "hash" going on in the background of the audio and across at least 30 kHz's worth of dial space. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 02:26:10 -0000 From: "amymousie" Subject: AM stereo, was Re: Very OT... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > > > AM stereo technology has a long and colorful history behind it, and > > an equally long history ahead of it as long as -someone- gives a > > damn about it. :) Besides, an AM stereo signal sounds better and > > more lifelike even on a mono radio, > > Huh? Could you please explain why that should be? Given equivalent > source material, and audio processing, the only reason an AM stereo > signal should sound any different than an equivalent monophonic > source, when received on a monophonic AM radio, would be as a result > of the phase modulation used to transmit the stereo information in AM > stereo systems. Is it the distortion heard in the receiver as a > result of the phase modulation component of the AM stereo signal that > makes AM stereo sound "better and more lifelike" on a monaural radio > than a pure monaural signal does? The Audiophools discovered the nice > euphonic sound of second harmonic distortion years ago. Congratulations! You just pretty much answered your own question. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 02:39:46 -0000 From: "amymousie" Subject: Re: AM stereo (on a mono receiver) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > "Amy" was probably also talking about the fact that any AM Stereo > station naturally sounds better than any IBOC station on a mono > receiver, since the audio response is not harshly limited to 5 kHz > and there's no awful hissing "hash" going on in the background of the > audio and across at least 30 kHz's worth of dial space. Actually, I was thinking of phasing issues, which both analog AM stereo and IBOC require being dealt with, which DO affect the performance of a broadcaster, and I think does affect the fidelity of both the lows and highs, why it makes an AM stereo station sound better than a mono station on a mono radio. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 04:05:08 -0000 From: "bta_50g" Subject: Re: AM stereo (on a mono receiver) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > These days, the only real difference, if all other criteria is kept > the same (source audio, audio processing, transmitter, antenna > system, etc.), which could make an AM Stereo station sound better on > a mono radio is that AM Stereo stations in the USA are required to > use pre-emphasis according to the NRSC specs, while mono stations > can use any type of pre-emphasis they want (or none at all) as long > as they meet the NRSC spectral bandwidth mask. Is this true, that AM stereo stations are required to use pre emphasis? It's just weird enough to be true, I will have to look it up. I seems strange that they would treat AM stereo differently than monaural AM, especially since FM stations are no longer required to use pre emphasis. > "Amy" was probably also talking about the fact that any AM Stereo > station naturally sounds better than any IBOC station on a mono > receiver, since the audio response is not harshly limited to 5 kHz > and there's no awful hissing "hash" going on in the background of > the audio and across at least 30 kHz's worth of dial space. I think I heard my first IBOC sideband hiss today, although I would hardly call it an "awful hissing hash", it was a pleasant soft continuos hiss on each side of the main carrier. What was unpleasant was the loud crackling noises each side of non IBOC stations, which I assume was because the IBOC sidebands probably cover-up the more raucous unpleasant noises, and the receivers AGC then probably pushes the level down to where you only hear the nice soft hiss. Now all I need is an IBOC capable radio. :) John ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 04:09:00 -0000 From: "bta_50g" Subject: AM stereo, was Re: Very OT... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > > Is it the distortion heard in the receiver as a result > > of the phase modulation component of the AM stereo signal > > that makes AM stereo sound "better and more lifelike" on a > > monaural radio than a pure monaural signal does? > > The Audiophools discovered the nice euphonic sound of second > > harmonic distortion years ago. > > Congratulations! You just pretty much answered your own question. :) So you are saying AM stereo sounds better than monaural programs do on monaural AM radios because of the harmonic distortion added to the reproduced audio by the phase modulated stereo difference signal? John ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 04:11:29 -0000 From: "bta_50g" Subject: Re: AM stereo (on a mono receiver) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > Actually, I was thinking of phasing issues, which both analog AM > stereo and IBOC require being dealt with, which DO affect the > performance of a broadcaster, and I think does affect the fidelity > of both the lows and highs, why it makes an AM stereo station sound > better than a mono station on a mono radio. I meant to include that in my "all other things being equal" list, but I forgot. It is my belief that many of the better sounding AM stations of the past, prior to AM stereo, actually realized the importance of this problem, and took steps to deal with it, while their competitors were left to wonder why they didn't sound as good. John ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 01:48:09 EDT From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: Prophet -> profit Clear Channel's "Prophet" system has actually been UNPROFITABLE for them; how can they claim this to be "profitable" when they have had only one quarterly profit since 1996, and have consistently been bleeding red ink? The only way radio can ever be profitable again is by dropping the crappy IBOC system, outlawing voicetracking forever, and restoring ownership limits. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 01:48:10 EDT From: n0uiheric@aol.com Subject: Re: 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Why don't they ban the illegal IBOC broadcasts altogether, and continue to improve analog radio? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:24:46 -0000 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: AM stereo (on a mono receiver) > the IBOC sidebands probably cover-up the more raucous unpleasant > noises, and the receivers AGC then probably pushes the level down > to where you only hear the nice soft hiss. If you're hearing the IBOC hash of a local station as a "nice soft hiss", either you're using a receiver with poor sensitivity or one that has very little AGC action... because the common experience with AM IBOC signals is exactly the opposite of what you describe. The IBOC digital sidebands are transmitted at only a fraction of the power of the station's main analog signal. Thus, when tuned to a channel adjacent or second-adjacent to an IBOC station, the AGC in most AM radios will *increase* the loudness of this "hash" to the point where it comes out actually *louder* than that of the station's main analog audio (since when played back at equally compensated levels, continuous hiss/white noise sounds louder than normal music/talk audio). I also assume you are trying to compare the "hash" of an IBOC station to the adjacent channel "monkey chatter" as heard from a regular analog AM station. To a certain extent I would agree that a continuous hiss would be less annoying than the "monkey chatter", but only if it is at a LOW level. The comparison also becomes skewed if you use an AMAX-type radio with automatically variable bandwidth because IBOC hash would hold it open at the full bandwith (maximum treble response), while being off-tuned to an analog station would keep it more towards the narrowest bandwidth setting. It also seems that you must not be using a receiver with an audio bandwidth any greater than 5 kHz, because otherwise you would hear an annoyingly constant hiss in the background of the IBOC station's main analog audio. Even on a new VW car radio which has AM audio flat to 6 kHz and then drops off like a cliff, I can still hear the hiss in the background enough for it to be annoying. In fact this 1 kHz difference is quite important because on this radio, the 6 kHz's worth of audio as heard from analog AM stations -- as well as 710 WOR at night (with the IBOC off) actually sounds quite crisp and clear and reasonably pleasant, even for music. But, when tuned to WOR with their IBOC on, I can instantly tell the difference with their 5 kHz audio -- that 1 kHz decrease in bandwidth might seem insignificant, but in reality 5 kHz audio sounds drastically worse than 6 kHz, and is not "hi-fi" or even "mid-fi" no matter how you adjust the tone controls. This is because that 1 kHz difference occurs right in the middle of the ear's most sensitive region in terms of distinguishing the high frequency "sibilants" which help make human voice easily understandable. Most sibilants occur at 4.5 kHz and above. This is why if somebody pronounces the letters "F" and "S" on a telephone, you can hardly tell the difference because with the phone's ~3 kHz bandwidth, you are not hearing any of the sibilant sounds which distinguish these letters. With IBOC's 5 kHz analog audio, you are only hearing 0.5 kHz's worth of these sibilants which is better than nothing but still does not provide a natural-sounding and clearly understanable sound. When this is increased to 6 kHz, that *triples* the amount of the sibilant region which you can hear, and voice becomes *drastically* more natural-sounding and understandable, as well as music becomes more life-like although both are still clearly inferior to the full 10 kHz audio that an analog AM station can provide. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:39:37 -0000 From: "bta_50g" Subject: Re: 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Why don't they ban the illegal IBOC broadcasts altogether, and > continue to improve analog radio? Since when are the IBOC broadcasts illegal? As to why not continue to improve analog radio, it is a mature technology that has little room left for improvement, have you come up with a revolutionary way to improve traditional analog radio broadcasting technology? Another problem with analog radio is that the number of new features it can accommodate is limited. It is time to make a break from the past, and look toward the future. Low Level Modulation-The Choice Of The Old Generation John ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:51:04 -0000 From: "bta_50g" Subject: Re: My letter to www.radioworld.com --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Analog AM Stereo offers audio frequency response up to 10 kHz -- > two-thirds of the human range of hearing -- and accurate, full- > dimensional stereo separation throughout this range. Subjectively, > many listeners claim it sounds equal to or even better than FM > stereo, due to the type of audio processing that AM Stereo stations > use. I know modern audio processing is a controversial subject, and tastes in processing vary widely, but I don't understand why "the type of audio processing that AM Stereo stations use" would make them sound better than FM stations? If this were true, and a majority of the radio audience felt the same way, wouldn't FM stations start using processing similar to this "type of audio processing that AM Stereo stations use"? I can only think of one thing that can be done in AM processing that can't be done with FM processing. Obviously you can't just plug an AM processor into an FM application without changing that aspect of the way it works, but I doubt this difference accounts for what you feel gives AM processing its superior sound compared to FM processing, and that difference could be easily compensated for if its effect actually proved to be of great importance to good sound. Low Level Modulation-The Choice Of The Old Generation John ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:19:15 -0000 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: My letter to www.radioworld.com > I don't understand why "the type of audio processing that AM Stereo > stations use" would make them sound better than FM stations? FM's pre-emphasis curve provides up to a 17 dB boost of the high frequencies. In order to accommodate this while still achieving good modulation levels, the high treble much be aggressively compressed and limited. This creates "antiseptic sizzle" kind of sound that is a well known characteristic of FM radio, as well as pre-recorded cassette tapes (which use even more drastic pre-emphasis curves to overcome "tape hiss"). In many cases it is subjectively preferable to simply not deal with these high frequncies above 10 kHz, rather than have to limit their dynamic range to the point of annoyance and listener fatigue. Thus, when "competitive" amounts of audio processing are used, AM actually can sound *better* because of its NRSC 10 kHz audio response limitation. It also helps that audio content above 10 kHz mostly consists of harmonics and white noise which is not musically important, while the audio below 10 kHz can be subjected to greater amounts of audio === message truncated === --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From eh@mad.scientist.com Fri May 02 13:05:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: eh@mad.scientist.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 2 May 2003 20:05:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 52720 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 20:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2003 20:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc03.attbi.com) (204.127.202.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2003 20:05:32 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (h0004ac962bf6.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.34.138.93]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with SMTP id <200305022005310030070if2e>; Fri, 2 May 2003 20:05:31 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Electric Brain To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: It's AM Stereo! Now, if I could only get enough signal, and there was decent programming.... Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 16:04:23 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20030502124523.8380.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030502124523.8380.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200305021604.23549.eh@mad.scientist.com> From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61599074 X-Yahoo-Profile: eirikurh Thanks to all the great traffic here, I have actually received an AM stereo signal. I can't get enough signal to get quieting, but my MCS 3050 turns on the stereo light for WILD (1090, near Boston, MA, USA). That means it will probably work pretty well for WBZ. The Terk "AM Advantage" loop antenna seems to work very well with this tuner. Having to tune the antenna as well as the radio is a bit annoying. The Terk is like a SelectaTenna with a direct connection. I see NO signal for WILD unless the antenna is tuned dead on the station, but at that point I get semi-acceptable mono, or rather annoying noisy stereo, with some heterodyning that may be a lack of selectivity in the tuner. I sound like I'm unhappy above, but I had a great night of fooling around, and it was a thrill to get it working! --Eirikur From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri May 02 14:20:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 2 May 2003 21:20:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 28591 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 21:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2003 21:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2003 21:20:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2003 21:20:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 21:19:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1470 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.176 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > IBOC broadcasts have ALWAYS been illegal...it violates NRSC > regulations. Huh, come again? How do you figure that "IBOC broadcasts have ALWAYS been illegal"? The NRSC doesn't make law, it doesn't even make regulations, it only makes recommendations. The Congress makes the laws, and empowers the FCC to make broadcasting regulations that have the force of law. The FCC says that IBOC broadcasts are perfectly OK, so where do you get off calling IBOC broadcasts illegal? > It also violates interference standards; Exactly which "interference standards" does IBOC violate? > it causes massive ACI. How is that? I am pretty sure I heard a station testing IBOC the other day, and the so called interference was very subtle, you wouldn't even notice it if you weren't looking for it, hardly what I would call "massive". For whatever reason I haven't heard it again since I heard it a couple of days ago, either I haven't listened at the right time, or they haven't been testing since I heard them the first time. > Besides, IBOC is NOT COMPATIBLE with our existing receivers; five > billion receivers in the U.S. marketplace will have to be replaced > if the inferior IBOC system ever comes to pass (and it won't). I don't know, if I was really hearing an IBOC broadcast the other day, it seemed to be perfectly compatible with my radio, I had no problem receiving it at all. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 02 16:09:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 2 May 2003 23:09:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 82542 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 23:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2003 23:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2003 23:09:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2003 23:09:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 23:09:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on 1530 WSAI Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030502190216.82275.qmail@web13203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 671 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > how do you know that wsai dropped iboc? do you have any inside > information to confirm this? That message was referring to the fact that 1530 WSAI is no longer "testing" IBCO during nighttime hours. WSAI may or may not have also discontinued use of IBOC during daytime hours... are there any local listeners here who could verify this? p.s. Please do not include the entire message digest in your reply. That is a very large waste of system resources. Please only include revelent portions of "back-quoted" text of the message you are replying to. All other extraneous text should be deleted from your message to make it more efficient and easy to read. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 02 16:24:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 2 May 2003 23:24:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 28585 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 23:24:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2003 23:24:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2003 23:24:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2003 23:24:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 23:24:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: It's AM Stereo! Now, if I could only get enough signal, and there was decent programming.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200305021604.23549.eh@mad.scientist.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1184 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The Terk is like a SelectaTenna with a direct connection. > I see NO signal for WILD unless the antenna is tuned dead on the > station As you mention, in a directly-connected configuration, the Terk is very selective and directional. One tip -- looking at the front of the antenna (with the "Terk" and "AM Advantage" logos facing you), the right side should be aimed towards the station for the best sensitivity. It may appear to work equally well when reversed (left side towards the station) but I've found that the right side has slightly better sensitivity. Also, make sure the tip of the Terk's antenna jack plug is connected to the tuner's antenna terminal, and the ring of the plug is connected to the tuner's ground terminal. (Use a VOM or multi-meter to check continuity.) This is another situation where it may seem to work equally well either way, but the correct polarity gives slightly better results. And always experiment with different antenna positions for the best results. Usually, the closer you have it to a window, the better. Even just a few feet can make a big difference -- prop it up with something to get extra height, if need be. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 02 16:29:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 2 May 2003 23:29:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 16368 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 23:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2003 23:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2003 23:29:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2003 23:29:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 23:29:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 638 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I am pretty sure I heard a station testing IBOC the other day, and > the so called interference was very subtle, you wouldn't even > notice it if you weren't looking for it, hardly what I would call > "massive". Unless this station (which you seem reluctant to identify?) is transmitting the IBOC sidebands at a reduced level, the amount of interference caused is far from being "very subtle". I have a report from a electric utility company employee in central New Jersey that when 710 WOR began transmitting IBOC, they received complaints from customers who thought this interference was being caused by AC power line noise! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 02 19:21:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 02:21:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 38498 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 02:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 02:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 02:21:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 02:21:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 02:21:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1624 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Much like AM Stereo, RDS (Radio Data System) is a useful but much under-appreciated broadcasting technology. Despite being virtually universal in Europe, it never has gained widespread acceptance in North America -- and is now nowhere to be found in New York City. Reportedly, the last hold-outs -- 94.7 WFME, 96.3 WQXR, and 102.7 WNEW -- have all recently stopped using it. (In WNEW's case, this could be because they are now transmitting in IBOC -- however, reportedly WNEW's 92 kHz SCA signal continues to be used.) A few suburban NJ/NY/CT stations are still using it, but otherwise, if you're in the New York City area, the RDS feature on your radio is now pretty much useless. In fact, last week I was at the New York Auto Show and came across a Mini Cooper that had its radio on (rare, since most cars have their battery disconnected at the show). Despite RDS and PTY buttons indicating the radio's support of RDS, even stations known to have used RDS in the past, such as WQXR, did not pop onto the display with scrolling RDS text. I didn't pay much attention to this at the time, but now I know the reason why! I've heard there is a small modulation/loudness penalty for transmitting the RDS signal -- something like 2 percent, and some stations have claimed that by turning off their RDS, they've been able to improve their signal coverage by some measurable amount. I think this is silly... just like AM Stereo, the actual difference in coverage area is pretty much non-existant, and many car radios with RDS (and/or AM Stereo) continue to be manufactured and sold, so why not use it? From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri May 02 19:46:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 02:46:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 99926 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 02:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 02:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 02:46:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 02:46:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 02:46:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 804 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > last week I was at the New York > Auto Show and came across a Mini Cooper that had its radio on (rare, > since most cars have their battery disconnected at the show). > Despite RDS and PTY buttons indicating the radio's support of RDS, > even stations known to have used RDS in the past, such as WQXR, did > not pop onto the display with scrolling RDS text. What might I ask is a "PTY" button, and for that matter what does an RDS button do? My wife's car has an RDS feature, although I haven't studied it carefully to see what it really does, but I don't think it has any buttons, if a station is broadcasting RDS the data just magically appears on the display without the need to push any buttons at all. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 02 20:19:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 03:19:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 57230 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 03:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 03:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 03:19:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 03:19:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 03:19:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 154 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What might I ask is a "PTY" button, and for that matter what does > an RDS button do? Yes, you might ask that question, and somebody might answer it. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 02 20:26:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 03:26:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 68060 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 03:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 03:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 03:26:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 03:26:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 03:26:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1257 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What might I ask is a "PTY" button, and for that matter what does > an RDS button do? Seriously, now... "PTY" is Program TYpe... a feature of RDS which allows you to have the radio automatically search for stations of a specific format, and even switch to the next one if the station you are listening to fades out. Of course, this would work best if all stations on the FM dial were transmitting RDS, and if all were issuing the proper PTY code -- there are some religious stations ("Family Radio" and the like) that set an incorrect PTY code, such as "Top 40" or "Adult Contemporary", in a vain attempt to gain more listeners, from those who "accidentally" come across their signal while searching for stations of a more popular format. An RDS button itself likely would turn the RDS feature on or off, in case you don't want to see the scrolling text display, for example. By the way, some Blaupunkt car radios have "fake RDS"... you can manually assign your own text labels to certain frequencies -- on *both AM and FM* -- just like the call letter labels that some TV sets let you add. However, unlike RDS data, these labels don't change as you drive out of the area and the stations on these frequencies are no longer the same. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 02 21:09:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 04:09:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 61791 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 04:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 04:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 04:09:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 04:09:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 04:09:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I've heard there is a small modulation/loudness penalty for > transmitting the RDS signal -- something like 2 percent, and some > stations have claimed that by turning off their RDS, they've been > able to improve their signal coverage by some measurable amount. > I think this is silly... just like AM Stereo, the actual difference > in coverage area is pretty much non-existant, and many car radios > with RDS (and/or AM Stereo) continue to be manufactured and sold, so > why not use it? For FM, this is not as silly as it sounds. All subcarriers, along with the baseband audio, must measure a total of 100% modulation-- Each subcarrier, whether RDS, SCA, IBOCC or even the pilot and stereo difference channel, takes a chunk out of that total modulation, and does greatly affect the coverage of the signal, even affect the coverage of the additional services. 2% actually can bite into the stereo coverage and the SCA coverage quite handily. So yes, the argument about stereo on FM is valid, but is not for AM. Should stereo be abandoned? I think having stereo is a just sacrifice, honestly. What about SCA and RDS? These are valuable services that can add to the income (at least in the case of SCA), and so the pluses & minuses should be weighed. :) Oh, and there can be more than one SCA service- Traditionally, there are services at +57, +67 and +92kHz. Some pager services also are used. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 02 21:11:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 04:11:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 89020 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 04:11:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 04:11:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 04:11:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 04:11:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 04:11:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1103 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > last week I was at the New York > > Auto Show and came across a Mini Cooper that had its radio on (rare, > > since most cars have their battery disconnected at the show). > > Despite RDS and PTY buttons indicating the radio's support of RDS, > > even stations known to have used RDS in the past, such as WQXR, did > > not pop onto the display with scrolling RDS text. > > What might I ask is a "PTY" button, and for that matter what does an > RDS button do? My wife's car has an RDS feature, although I haven't > studied it carefully to see what it really does, but I don't think it > has any buttons, if a station is broadcasting RDS the data just > magically appears on the display without the need to push any buttons > at all. There may be several "pages" of RDS text, and you can cycly through them or turn off the feature with the RDS button. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (I want a portable RDS radio- I have no use for a car radio.) From dav259@csiro.au Fri May 02 21:12:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 04:12:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 90522 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 04:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 04:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 04:12:38 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h434Ca706783 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 14:12:36 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 14:12:36 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: "IBOC John" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 3 May 2003, bta_50g wrote: > What might I ask is a "PTY" button, and for that matter what does an > RDS button do? John You are obviously a very clever man. Are you perchance an HR manager of some sort? You ask the obvious and unobvious questions which can't be answered with a simple yes or no. And that is good. But I have to wonder why you are here. Do you really support AM stereo? If so what is your agenda? Have you had any great listening experiences with IBOC? Please share them with us. You obviously know alot about radio. How do you think it should evolve? Please give us demonstrations of what you say (your line). We deserve to know. My agenda is this ... I've been listening to AM stereo for 18 years. I love it! It means heaps to me on a day to day basis. I'm not technical and don't really care what system I'm listening to as long as I can get my fill of hi-fi stereo radio from stations I like listening to. So far I've been fortunate. But I worry that it is dying in Australia and that there's nothing I can do to stop it. I know that the only way there'll be a renaissance here is if there's one in the US. So I need to support the cause worldwide for something that I believe in. I'd be happy if IBOC did succeed. The concept is perfect. I'd support it if it sounded as good as C-quam AMS and was available here. But from all reports except from iBiquiti and your good self I'm hearing that it's a dog. Can you please explain why you seem to support IBOC so much? Is it delivering what you want? If not - what exactly do you want? Hmmmmmmmm??? Ian Melbourne From bjackson@indyradio.com Fri May 02 23:04:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 06:03:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 50982 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 06:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 06:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 06:03:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 06:03:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 06:03:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1571 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Much like AM Stereo, RDS (Radio Data System) is a useful but much > under-appreciated broadcasting technology. Despite being virtually > universal in Europe, it never has gained widespread acceptance in > North America -- and is now nowhere to be found in New York City. > Reportedly, the last hold-outs -- 94.7 WFME, 96.3 WQXR, and 102.7 > WNEW -- have all recently stopped using it. (In WNEW's case, this > could be because they are now transmitting in IBOC -- however, > reportedly WNEW's 92 kHz SCA signal continues to be used.) > *snip* While, here in Indianapolis, we added RDS. Here's a piece of a memo we got: On another note, Jeff installed RDS on Retro this week. Now all three of our stations have their "moniker" visible on radios with RDS capability. You may get a kick out of knowing that last December while we were replacing the antenna for WFMS, we used our Hawthorne transmitter which doesn't send out the RDS signal. We got a call from a car salesman who likes to show that feature off to car customers. He thought since the "WFMS" didn't appear on the radio, that we weren't sending stereo. The public apparently has a lot of misconceptions about it. Also for radios set to search for a format, Retro is classed as "rock", WFMS as "country" and Gold as "oldies". The number of codes is limited and does not include "80's". Have a good weekend. Engineering ____________________________________ Max Turner Regional Engineering Manager Susquehanna Radio Corp. From eh@mad.scientist.com Sat May 03 00:26:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: eh@mad.scientist.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 07:26:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 63002 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 07:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 07:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc01.attbi.com) (204.127.202.61) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 07:26:38 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (h0004ac962bf6.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.34.138.93]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <2003050307263600100cng3ke>; Sat, 3 May 2003 07:26:36 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Electric Brain To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 03:25:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200305030325.25229.eh@mad.scientist.com> From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61599074 X-Yahoo-Profile: eirikurh Nice small, portable, RDS radio: Grundig Yacht-Boy 500. One of the nicest user interfaces, a huge LCD, and a raft of features. It's got super FM stereo audio (via headphones). The "real" Grundigs were always "tuner class" FM stereo receivers. It has a speaker and robust internal amp (the circuit cutely hijacks both channels of the headphone amp for driving the speaker). It has a bad rep, and is commonly available fairly cheap on eBay, etc. It's a general-coverage 150 Khz to 30 Mhz AM receiver about the size of a thick paperback. The bad rep comes from two things, first, it's not very sensitive. This is not a radio for pulling in distant fringe stations on any band. Secondly, the clever and intuitive user interface and large data display seem to intimidate people. I forget how to store or recall a memory when I don't use the radio for a couple of weeks, but I always figure it out immediately. I think it was a huge design win (and pretty), deserving a re-work of the front-end and better shielding of the digital stuff. If you go for a bigger pocket-book sized unit (4 D cells, and it will charge NiCads), you can go for the highly respected Grundig Sattelit 700, which has an even larger display and expands via cheap chips (door on front of radio for this!) to 512 (I am not kidding) programmable memories with names, modes, bandwidth, etc. Sat 700's are out of production (and the Chinese radio marketed by the U.S. distributor (now owns Grundig name in U.S.) as the Sattelit 800 is not a reasonable replacement. It's just not portable. It's boombox size. Decent radio if you get a refurb which has been properly aligned at R.L. Drake here in the U.S., who did the circuit design. This guy loves the 500, like me: http://www.geocities.com/grundigradioboy/yb500.htm Radio Netherlands full review: http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/yb500.html Just my 2 cents, Eirikur From eh@mad.scientist.com Sat May 03 00:59:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: eh@mad.scientist.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 07:59:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 81672 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 07:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 07:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc52.attbi.com) (216.148.227.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 07:59:26 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (h0004ac962bf6.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.34.138.93]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52) with SMTP id <2003050307041105200ag71le>; Sat, 3 May 2003 07:04:11 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Electric Brain To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} No more FM RDS in New York City Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 03:03:00 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200305030303.00300.eh@mad.scientist.com> From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61599074 X-Yahoo-Profile: eirikurh I am a big fan of RDS. My only real complaint with it is the seeming standard short 12 (or so) character display, which requires scrolling. Is that in the standard so that low-cost displays can be used? I just hate it. I'd like to have a display that can show the entire string from the RadioText stream, which never seems to be more than 40 or so characters. Scrolling is very cute and eye-catching, but it's like blinking web pages. Gets old fast. I don't like waiting to see the whole message. Something really freaky is up with RDS here in the backwater of New Hampshire. I hit the RDS/AF button by accident about a month ago, on my Grundig Sattelit 700, and by gosh, it switched to an "alternate frequency." This is on N.H. Public radio. They are actually sending the alternate frequencies (there's a standard mechanism for the alternate frequency list) that give fairly significant coverage area in the state. (Probably not good coverage up in the mountains and near the Canadian border.) I have not tried to see if my car tuner will automagically look for a better frequency when a given FM station fades (if RDS/AF is present). I should do that. I bet good European car radios do. RDS/AF is, of course, exactly something that a commercial station would never use. BBC, Deutche Velle, and other country-wide services in Europe are the big users. It's rather nauseating that tuners like the Teac H500 are lobotomized for the US market. The Boston area (I'm in "sudden" N.H.) has a number of stations with meaningful use of RDS. There's an NPR outlet, a couple of commercial stations that only send their call letters, and one wacky FM talk radio station that has insanely complete RDS, including the time signal for auto-setting the clock (if your radio has one, my Kenwood car tuner supports this). They constantly change the RadioText, giving call-in numbers, upcoming guests, etc, it's really very nice. Too bad that I hate their content, but I seriously admire and appreciate the effort. There's another station that sends the title and artist info for the current song (I haven't checked this to see if they are still doing it). I have email in to the chief engineer at NHPR (N.H. NPR), complimenting them on the RDS/AF, which I have never heard of in the U.S. I'm going to see if I can go do some volunteer technical work there. Eirikur From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat May 03 06:21:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 13:21:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 28089 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 13:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 13:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 13:21:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 13:20:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 13:20:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 370 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > For FM, this is not as silly as it sounds. All subcarriers, along > with the baseband audio, must measure a total of 100% modulation-- To perhaps over simplify things, the maximum allowed modulation was long ago changed from 100% to 110% for FM stations using SCA's in the US. John From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 03 07:08:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 14:08:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 39774 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 14:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 14:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 14:08:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 14:08:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 14:08:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > IBOC broadcasts have ALWAYS been illegal...it violates NRSC > > regulations. > > Huh, come again? How do you figure that "IBOC broadcasts have ALWAYS > been illegal"? The NRSC doesn't make law, it doesn't even make > regulations, it only makes recommendations. The Congress makes the > laws, and empowers the FCC to make broadcasting regulations that have > the force of law. The FCC says that IBOC broadcasts are perfectly OK, > so where do you get off calling IBOC broadcasts illegal? No, they didn't, really. > > It also violates interference standards; > > Exactly which "interference standards" does IBOC violate? Bandwidth. In practice it violates the NRSC mask, because the NRSC mask NEVER intended for the regulation to include a digital signal. > > it causes massive ACI. > > How is that? I am pretty sure I heard a station testing IBOC the > other day, and the so called interference was very subtle, you > wouldn't even notice it if you weren't looking for it, hardly what> >I would call "massive". EVERY bit of IBOC related noise I have heard would be classified as MORE than massive. In EVERY case the adjacent channels were rendered TOTALLY useless. For whatever reason I haven't heard it again > since I heard it a couple of days ago, either I haven't listened at > the right time, or they haven't been testing since I heard them the > first time. > > > Besides, IBOC is NOT COMPATIBLE with our existing receivers; five > > billion receivers in the U.S. marketplace will have to be replaced This is true. It is sorta compatible IF the bandwidth of the AM section is less than 3 kilohertz and that's not even taking into consideration the massive adjacent channel interference that will drive listeners away by the TENS of thousands. > > if the inferior IBOC system ever comes to pass (and it won't). OH yes it will, the listeners be damned. There's too much politics, and even if Lucent knows it will be DOA...it will still go through. > I don't know, if I was really hearing an IBOC broadcast the other >day, it seemed to be perfectly compatible with my radio, I had no >problem receiving it at all. When did you get your IBOC receiver, and how does it sound? Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 03 07:16:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 14:16:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 84189 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 14:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 14:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 14:16:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 14:16:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 14:16:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 920 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > I'd be happy if IBOC did succeed. The concept is perfect. DRM is the standard elsewhere. Ibiquity was to make their IBOC compatible with DRM as it started out using AAC, but then Lucent decided they had to use their PAC, which is FAR less competent, and very fragile. No skywave. DRM was made where it WOULD do skywave. It's been shown at the last 2 NAB's doing shortwave, and DRM doesn' bilk the broadcasters out of money with massive licensing fees. I'd support it > if it sounded as good as C-quam AMS and was available here. But from all > reports except from iBiquiti and your good self I'm hearing that it's a > dog. Elsewhere it will be DRM. > Can you please explain why you seem to support IBOC so much? Is it > delivering what you want? > If not - what exactly do you want? > Hmmmmmmmm??? HMMM indeed! Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 03 07:19:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 14:19:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 53402 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 14:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 14:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 14:19:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 14:19:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 14:19:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 417 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > While, here in Indianapolis, we added RDS. Here's a piece of a memo > we got: > Have a good weekend. > Engineering > ____________________________________ > Max Turner > Regional Engineering Manager > Susquehanna Radio Corp. There is one major group, IS it Susquehanna or Entercom, that is going to put RDS on ALL their FM's ? Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 03 07:23:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 14:23:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 52393 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 14:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 14:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 14:23:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 14:23:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 14:23:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 426 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > To perhaps over simplify things, the maximum allowed modulation >was long ago changed from 100% to 110% for FM stations using SCA's >in the US. > > John HAH! In a lot of big markets, probably no one is modulating that low. In Nashville the average is 130% and the stations sound uniformly horrid. One thing, with IBOC you can't do that. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 03 07:25:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 14:25:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 86299 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 14:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 14:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 14:25:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 14:25:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 14:25:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sherwood tuner Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 386 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I found one at a local thrift store, and it's been sitting there awhile. It's a something 6010 or 6100. I didn't see anything referring to AM Stereo on it. On another note, I have one of the series of Sony Receivers that some had AM stereo. It's DEAD. There was a lightning hit, and I cannot find a fuse anywhere, except the fuse for the outlets on the back. Any ideas? Powell From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat May 03 09:30:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 16:30:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 94135 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 16:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 16:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 16:30:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 16:30:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 16:30:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4218 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.46 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > > IBOC broadcasts have ALWAYS been illegal...it violates NRSC > > > regulations. > > > > Huh, come again? How do you figure that "IBOC broadcasts have > > ALWAYS been illegal"? The NRSC doesn't make law, it doesn't even > > make regulations, it only makes recommendations. The Congress > > makes the laws, and empowers the FCC to make broadcasting > > regulations that have the force of law. The FCC says that IBOC > > broadcasts are perfectly OK, so where do you get off calling IBOC > > broadcasts illegal? > > No, they didn't, really. OK, let's rephrase that, the FCC has not said that "IBOC broadcasts illegal", and has authorized IBOC broadcasting to proceed. > > > It also violates interference standards; > > > > Exactly which "interference standards" does IBOC violate? > > Bandwidth. In practice it violates the NRSC mask, because the NRSC > mask NEVER intended for the regulation to include a digital signal. That's your opinion. In reality it is a matter for the FCC or the courts to decide, or the congress could make IBOC explicitly illegal if they don't like the way the courts or the FCC ultimately resolve the issue. > > > it causes massive ACI. > > > > How is that? I am pretty sure I heard a station testing IBOC the > > other day, and the so called interference was very subtle, you > > wouldn't even notice it if you weren't looking for it, hardly > > whatI would call "massive". > > EVERY bit of IBOC related noise I have heard would be classified as > MORE than massive. In EVERY case the adjacent channels were rendered > TOTALLY useless. The adjacent channels are TOTALLY USELESS even without IBOC. IBOC eliminates the noisy hash you normally hear on the adjacent channels, and replaces it with a nice uniform hiss. > > For whatever reason I haven't heard it again > > since I heard it a couple of days ago, either I haven't listened > > at the right time, or they haven't been testing since I heard them > > the first time. > > > > > Besides, IBOC is NOT COMPATIBLE with our existing receivers; > > > five billion receivers in the U.S. marketplace will have to be > > > replaced > > This is true. It is sorta compatible IF the bandwidth of the AM > section is less than 3 kilohertz and that's not even taking into > consideration the massive adjacent channel interference that will > drive listeners away by the TENS of thousands. How do you figure that, there's no useful reception on the adjacent channels anyway, who do you think is listening to adjacent channels besides a few nuts on this group and other like minded groups. I thought this was supposed to be an AM stereo group, not a narrowly focused DX group? IBOC is AM stereo for the new millennium. > > > if the inferior IBOC system ever comes to pass (and it won't). > > OH yes it will, the listeners be damned. There's too much politics, > and even if Lucent knows it will be DOA...it will still go through. Ultimately it will be up to the listeners, just as with AM stereo, if the listeners don't vote with their wallet, and buy IBOC receivers than IBOC will fail, only time will tell. > > I don't know, if I was really hearing an IBOC broadcast the other > >day, it seemed to be perfectly compatible with my radio, I had no > >problem receiving it at all. > > When did you get your IBOC receiver, and how does it sound? I meant I had no trouble getting good reception of the IBOC transmission on my analog radio, if it was even an IBOC transmission in the first place. I haven't heard the unusual sidebands since I first heard them, so I am beginning to doubt that it was an IBOC transmission, although the station in question has been prominently mentioned in connection with IBOC, and was an early pioneer in previous advances in broadcasting like FM, so it makes sense that they would be an early convert to IBOC. Other than IBOC, I don't know what might explain the hiss I heard earlier this week on each side of their signal. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat May 03 09:32:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 16:32:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 51938 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 16:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 16:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 16:32:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 16:32:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 16:32:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1094 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.46 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson > wrote: > > I'd be happy if IBOC did succeed. The concept is perfect. > > DRM is the standard elsewhere. Ibiquity was to make their IBOC > compatible with DRM as it started out using AAC, but then Lucent > decided they had to use their PAC, which is FAR less competent, and > very fragile. No skywave. DRM was made where it WOULD do skywave. > It's been shown at the last 2 NAB's doing shortwave, and DRM doesn' > bilk the broadcasters out of money with massive licensing fees. Does DRM have a compatibility mode like "HD-Radio's" hybrid mode? IBOC won't fly in the US without a compatibility mode. Skywave is irrelevant, how many people are actually interested in listening to skywave signals, other than a few nuts in this and other DX groups? Well actually skywave is not irrelevant, it is a curse on the MW AM broadcast band. As far as massive licensing fees go, I think there will be more to hear on that score as time goes on. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat May 03 09:36:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 16:36:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 45679 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 16:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 16:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 16:36:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 16:36:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 16:36:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 861 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.46 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > To perhaps over simplify things, the maximum allowed modulation > >was long ago changed from 100% to 110% for FM stations using SCA's > >in the US. > > > > John > > HAH! In a lot of big markets, probably no one is modulating that > low. In Nashville the average is 130% and the stations sound > uniformly horrid. One thing, with IBOC you can't do that. That's not the fault of the station, most FM exciters can do 130% easy. The reason the sound is "uniformly horrid" is the fault of receivers that use IF filters that are too narrow. FM receivers must adjust to the realities of the FM band, just as AM receivers early on adjusted to the realities of the AM band by adopting a narrow bandwidth. John From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 03 09:39:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 16:39:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 12120 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 16:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 16:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 16:39:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 16:39:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 16:39:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4372 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > No, they didn't, really. > > OK, let's rephrase that, the FCC has not said that "IBOC broadcasts > illegal", and has authorized IBOC broadcasting to proceed. > > > > > It also violates interference standards; > > > > > > Exactly which "interference standards" does IBOC violate? > > > > Bandwidth. In practice it violates the NRSC mask, because the NRSC > > mask NEVER intended for the regulation to include a digital signal. > That's your opinion. In reality it is a matter for the FCC or the > courts to decide, or the congress could make IBOC explicitly illegal > if they don't like the way the courts or the FCC ultimately resolve > the issue. > > > > > it causes massive ACI. > > > > > > How is that? I am pretty sure I heard a station testing IBOC the > > > other day, and the so called interference was very subtle, you > > > wouldn't even notice it if you weren't looking for it, hardly > > > whatI would call "massive". > > > > EVERY bit of IBOC related noise I have heard would be classified as > > MORE than massive. In EVERY case the adjacent channels were rendered > > TOTALLY useless. > > The adjacent channels are TOTALLY USELESS even without IBOC. IBOC > eliminates the noisy hash you normally hear on the adjacent channels, > and replaces it with a nice uniform hiss. Well it also puts a "nice uniform hiss" well into the protected coverage of many stations. If you want to know who said so, Paul Jellison said the daytime coverage of WSAI's IBOC does indeed interfere with a 1520 . He also said that when WOR went IBOC at sunrise it caused interference well within WLW's local groundwave. > > > For whatever reason I haven't heard it again > > > since I heard it a couple of days ago, either I haven't listened > > > at the right time, or they haven't been testing since I heard them > > > the first time. > > > > > > > Besides, IBOC is NOT COMPATIBLE with our existing receivers; > > > > five billion receivers in the U.S. marketplace will have to be > > > > replaced > > > > This is true. It is sorta compatible IF the bandwidth of the AM > > section is less than 3 kilohertz and that's not even taking into > > consideration the massive adjacent channel interference that will > > drive listeners away by the TENS of thousands. > > How do you figure that, there's no useful reception on the adjacent > channels anyway, who do you think is listening to adjacent channels > besides a few nuts on this group and other like minded groups. I > thought this was supposed to be an AM stereo group, not a narrowly > focused DX group? IBOC is AM stereo for the new millennium. Wait now, the adjacents for HUNDREDS of miles will be adversely affected. I surely would HATE to be my local 1520 when WSAI and WLAC go IBOC full time. IBOC is the death of the MW band. > > > > if the inferior IBOC system ever comes to pass (and it won't). > > > > OH yes it will, the listeners be damned. There's too much politics, > > and even if Lucent knows it will be DOA...it will still go through. > > Ultimately it will be up to the listeners, just as with AM stereo, if > the listeners don't vote with their wallet, and buy IBOC receivers > than IBOC will fail, only time will tell. NO, the listeners HAVE no choice. I do expect a mandated end to analog, and far sooner than is ever realized. > > > I don't know, if I was really hearing an IBOC broadcast the other > > >day, it seemed to be perfectly compatible with my radio, I had no > > >problem receiving it at all. > > > > When did you get your IBOC receiver, and how does it sound? > > I meant I had no trouble getting good reception of the IBOC > transmission on my analog radio, if it was even an IBOC transmission > in the first place. I haven't heard the unusual sidebands since I > first heard them, so I am beginning to doubt that it was an IBOC > transmission, although the station in question has been prominently > mentioned in connection with IBOC, and was an early pioneer in > previous advances in broadcasting like FM, so it makes sense that they > would be an early convert to IBOC. Other than IBOC, I don't know what > might explain the hiss I heard earlier this week on each side of their > signal. > > John Powell From amstereorules@msn.com Sat May 03 10:01:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 17:01:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 66374 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 17:01:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 17:01:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 17:01:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 17:01:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:01:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 174 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.189.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >There is one major group, IS it Susquehanna or Entercom, that is >going to put RDS on ALL their FM's ? It is a company that made RDS deal with Entercom FM- owned stations. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 03 10:01:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 17:01:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 1281 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 17:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 17:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 17:01:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 17:01:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:01:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3788 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > > > > DRM is the standard elsewhere. Ibiquity was to make their IBOC > > compatible with DRM as it started out using AAC, but then Lucent > > decided they had to use their PAC, which is FAR less competent, and > > very fragile. No skywave. DRM was made where it WOULD do skywave. > > It's been shown at the last 2 NAB's doing shortwave, and DRM doesn' > > bilk the broadcasters out of money with massive licensing fees. > > Does DRM have a compatibility mode like "HD-Radio's" hybrid mode? > IBOC won't fly in the US without a compatibility mode. Skywave is > irrelevant, how many people are actually interested in listening to > skywave signals, other than a few nuts in this and other DX groups? Your comment about skywave has been proved false. Yes, DRM has multiple modes, some hybrid, and some features that IBOC doesn't have. It was reported that WSM's listenership is 66% skywave. Don't tell the many midwest stations that their skywave listeners aren't important. Paul Jellison, regional engineering director of Clear Channel is indeed a proponent of skywave, and is interested in how (good or poorly) IBOC handles it. The adjacent digital skywaving and causing interference for thousands of miles shows it a bad idea to put the digital signal on the adjacents. I think if you want to run IBOC, just turn off your analog. > Well actually skywave is not irrelevant, it is a curse on the MW AM > broadcast band. Sometimes it is , sometimes not. > As far as massive licensing fees go, I think there will be more to > hear on that score as time goes on. Lucent wants money. And some SW receivers now already have a DRM mode added, as in their DSP based radios. Don't expect IBOC on these for some time. ( Ten-Tec) It's like this, I often use WSB for my Atlanta Braves games. WCOS, 1400 is 8 miles from me, and during the day the signal is OK. At night it's barely useable. I also can a fair amount of the time listen on WPUB on 102.7. But there is a station on the same frequency 40 miles the other way and if there is the least bit of atmospheric 'enhancement' that's a no go. With all stations going IBOC, I'd get NO reception from the AM's and the adjacent interference would wipe out my FM reception. I expect I might not have ANY night IBOC signals. WVOC on 560 and WISW on 1320 have arrays that have NO chance of passing IBOC. I certainly do not expect Citadel to put out the money to re-do the 4 tower DA. WVOC's will most likely take well over $100,000 to redo the DA array there too. I'm not sure if Clear Channel will spend the money. I do notice that WBMQ 630 in Savannah, GA has given UP their night coverage. They are selling the land off and getting rid of the site. Going on their 5/8 wave 1400's tower as a diplex gives them about 40 watts at night, and with a dismal ground conductivity, they won't even cover but a small part of the city of license at night, and have substantially reduced day coverage. ( Because the antenna won't be out at Oat Island), I don't have ANY confidence in the manufacturers making a decent radio. They haven't been able to make a decent AM section in any of the aftermarket radios for decades now, except for exceptionally rare instances, and I don't expect it to start all of a sudden. A friend of mine who owns stations in GA, SC and NC bought a 2003 Lincoln with a high end radio. It sounds horrid. I have NEVER heard such a BAD AM section, the FM is deaf, and even music on the CD sounds horrid. The AM sounded like a stereo reel to reel played in mono with very bad azimuth. Even the static sounded bad! Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 03 10:05:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 17:05:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 86302 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 17:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 17:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 17:05:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 17:05:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:05:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 989 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > To perhaps over simplify things, the maximum allowed modulation > >was long ago changed from 100% to 110% for FM stations using SCA's > >in the US. > > > > John > > HAH! In a lot of big markets, probably no one is modulating that low. > In Nashville the average is 130% and the stations sound uniformly > horrid. One thing, with IBOC you can't do that. Keep in mind, for FM, modulation = bandwidth, not necessarily loudness. The added effect is that modulation = total ERP, which is why adding or taking a chunk of it for something else must effectively reduce coverage for other services, especially the main audio program and/or the stereo difference. Since all but two MW stereophonic schemes are co-channel, rather than subcarrier, this is not an issue, but is for subcarrier-based systems, like FM stereo. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 03 10:09:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 17:09:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 26346 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 17:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 17:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 17:09:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 17:08:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:08:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1025 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > > HAH! In a lot of big markets, probably no one is modulating that > > low. In Nashville the average is 130% and the stations sound > > uniformly horrid. One thing, with IBOC you can't do that. > > That's not the fault of the station, most FM exciters can do 130% > easy. The reason the sound is "uniformly horrid" is the fault of > receivers that use IF filters that are too narrow. Wrong, the reason is the horribly gross overprocessing. It's gotten to be an epidemic on the FM band. FM receivers must adjust to the realities of the FM band, just as AM receivers early on adjusted to the realities of the AM band by adopting a narrow bandwidth. Narrow bandwidth and no sensitivity and quality due to cheapness. My late 50's Zenith High Fidelity ( and it is sensitive and WIIIDE on AM) does well even with NRSC and the realities of the current AM band. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 03 10:10:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 17:10:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 22022 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 17:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 17:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 17:10:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 17:09:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:09:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 884 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson > > wrote: > > > I'd be happy if IBOC did succeed. The concept is perfect. > > > > DRM is the standard elsewhere. Ibiquity was to make their IBOC > > compatible with DRM as it started out using AAC, but then Lucent > > decided they had to use their PAC, which is FAR less competent, and > > very fragile. No skywave. DRM was made where it WOULD do skywave. > > It's been shown at the last 2 NAB's doing shortwave, and DRM doesn' > > bilk the broadcasters out of money with massive licensing fees. > > Does DRM have a compatibility mode like "HD-Radio's" hybrid mode? Yes, it does. (I believe DRM has something like 8 modes, total, maybe more.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 03 10:13:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 17:13:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 254 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 17:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 17:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 17:13:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 17:13:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:13:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 830 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > HAH! In a lot of big markets, probably no one is modulating that > low. > > In Nashville the average is 130% and the stations sound uniformly > > horrid. One thing, with IBOC you can't do that. > > Keep in mind, for FM, modulation = bandwidth, not necessarily > loudness. The added effect is that modulation = total ERP, which is > why adding or taking a chunk of it for something else must > effectively reduce coverage for other services, especially the main > audio program and/or the stereo difference. But the Nashville stations due to gross overprocessing sound horrid. I ran SCREAMING to WSM on the way through. But the worst FM I heard was KRMG-FM country format, that made a telephone sound good. [Tulsa OK ] Powell From amstereorules@msn.com Sat May 03 10:20:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 17:20:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 15580 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 17:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 17:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 17:20:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 17:20:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:20:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1873 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.189.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules Don, >The adjacent channels are TOTALLY USELESS even without IBOC. IBOC >eliminates the noisy hash you normally hear on the adjacent >channels, and replaces it with a nice uniform hiss. Adjacent MW channels are very usable, day and night, as long as a local station is not in vicinity. I believe the group is referring to the MW IBOC stations that occupy 50% more bandwidth with IBOC than without, and completely wipe out four adjacent channels. >For whatever reason I haven't heard it again since I heard it a >couple of days ago, either I haven't listened at the right time, or >they haven't been testing since I heard them the first time. WVAZ and WNUA are testing IBOC in your neck of the woods. Perhaps you were listening to these FM stations the other day. >How do you figure that, there's no useful reception on the adjacent >channels anyway, who do you think is listening to adjacent channels >besides a few nuts on this group and other like minded groups. I listen to the adjacents, especially at night. Who knows how many others listen, however I can tell you that WLW was a little upset at the loss of coverage in PA due to WOR's night IBOC test. >IBOC is AM stereo for the new millennium. In it's present form, it sounds like it's under water. Well regarded radio people, like Mark Howell, noted that as well. MW IBOC needs additional refinement, especially for night time use. >Ultimately it will be up to the listeners, just as with AM stereo, >if the listeners don't vote with their wallet, and buy IBOC >receivers than IBOC will fail, only time will tell. I agree with this remark. >I meant I had no trouble getting good reception of the IBOC >transmission on my analog radio, if it was even an IBOC transmission >in the first place. There is no mistaking IBOC on MW- You will know if you heard it. Remember, AMStereo Rules From amstereorules@msn.com Sat May 03 10:27:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 17:27:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 27694 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 17:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 17:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 17:27:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 17:27:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:27:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 550 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.189.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >That's not the fault of the station, most FM exciters can do 130% >easy. The reason the sound is "uniformly horrid" is the fault of >receivers that use IF filters that are too narrow. Woa Johnnie. Radio manufacturers are tightning their FM analog bandwidth in response to IBOC. Kenwood and Pioneer have some of the narrowest bandwidth I've heard in car radios. New home units from Sony, Philips, and Aiwa also have narrower bandwidth. You need 280kHz I.F. for decent FM reproduction, and they ae putting in 150. Remember, AMStereo Rules From amstereorules@msn.com Sat May 03 10:35:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 17:35:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 36167 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 17:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 17:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 17:35:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 17:35:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:35:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 575 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.189.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >I think if you want to run IBOC, just turn off your analog. Tell that to the station sales managers. >I don't have ANY confidence in the manufacturers making a decent >radio. They haven't been able to make a decent AM section in any of >the aftermarket radios for decades now, except for exceptionally >rare instances, and I don't expect it to start all of a sudden. They will be forced to make decent radios with MW IBOC. Think about it, you will need 30kHz I.F. bandwidth to capture it. >Even the static sounded bad! Wow now that is bad. Remember, AMStereoRules From amstereorules@msn.com Sat May 03 10:47:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 17:47:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 72584 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 17:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 17:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 17:47:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 17:47:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:46:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 737 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.189.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules Amy, >Keep in mind, for FM, modulation = bandwidth, not necessarily >loudness. The added effect is that modulation = total ERP, which is >why adding or taking a chunk of it for something else must >effectively reduce coverage for other services, especially the main >audio program and/or the stereo difference. Actually, FM transmitter power is constant- the frequency changes with modulation (deviation), not the ERP. Your ERP doesn't drop if you aren't transmitting anything. Loudness is based on how much FM deviation is used. Adding high frequency subcarriers reduces the modulation applied to each, which decreases S/N ratio and increases the noise. People associate that with reduced coverage. Remember, AMStereoRules From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 03 10:48:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 17:48:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 80828 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 17:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 17:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 17:48:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 17:48:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:48:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DRM hybrid mode (was Re: "IBOC John") Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1163 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: =snip= > > Does DRM have a compatibility mode like "HD-Radio's" hybrid mode? > > Yes, it does. (I believe DRM has something like 8 modes, total, maybe > more.) Yeah, yeah- Replying to myself. :) Thought I would elaborate further. DRM, unlike IBOC, does not broadcast as a "subcarrier" (for lack of a better term) in hybrid mode. Instead, it's in quadrature with the analog audio (DRM uses quadrature modulation for a number of modes, either for redundancy or to cram additional data for something like a stereo signal in a 9kHz total bandwidth), so that a forced-ISB receiver would hear the analog on one side (in phase) and digital hiss on the other side (made less noisy than with IBOC, due to the strength of the carrier (and proximity to it), again unlike IBOC). I could think of another way to broadcast hybrid digital on the MY/SW bands, but it remains to be tested, if it's ever experimented on: Transmitting the digital in an FM signal, similar to the RCA AM/FM system. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 03 10:55:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 17:55:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 94369 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 17:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 17:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 17:55:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 17:55:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:55:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 989 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > Amy, > >Keep in mind, for FM, modulation = bandwidth, not necessarily > >loudness. The added effect is that modulation = total ERP, which is > >why adding or taking a chunk of it for something else must > >effectively reduce coverage for other services, especially the main > >audio program and/or the stereo difference. > Actually, FM transmitter power is constant- the frequency changes > with modulation (deviation), not the ERP. Your ERP doesn't drop if > you aren't transmitting anything. Loudness is based on how much > FM deviation is used. Adding high frequency subcarriers reduces the > modulation applied to each, which decreases S/N ratio and increases > the noise. People associate that with reduced coverage. Yes, ERP is constant- What I said may seem misleading; however, subcarriers must take a chunk of total energy applied across the total bandwidth. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat May 03 11:33:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 18:33:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 21482 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 18:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 18:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 18:32:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 18:32:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 18:32:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio YourWay AM/FM Radio Recorder from PogoProducts? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013101c310c1$b1291ce0$06630780@espositojm2> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 957 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 213.121.67.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Esposito" wrote: > PogoProducts has another mp3/wma recorder coming out in May: > > http://www.pogoproducts.com/radio_yourway.html > > This mp3/mwa recorder also has in internal AM/FM radio and supposedly the > ability to "program" record times. > > I wonder how the AM end of the device will work? Guess it wonj't be that great, certainly no c-quam decoder! I have the Ripflash and if > I move it anywhere near an AM radio I get a good bit of interference. > > I would hope if that if Pogoproducts is marketing this as a "radio > recorder", the AM band is more than just an interference catcher..... > > It definitely looks like an interesting niche product... Very nice design but :- > Record over 4 hours of AM or FM broadcasts for later playback (32MB > Internal Memory) Over 4hrs with 32MB ?? Hardly! 128MB maybe. Why such little internal memory I woner ? > Joe Esposito From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat May 03 14:39:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 21:39:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 37965 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 21:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 21:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 21:39:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 21:39:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 21:39:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1420 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < amstereorules@m...> wrote: > Adjacent MW channels are very usable, day and night, as long as a > local station is not in vicinity. Exactly, if there isn't a local MW AM station in the vicinity, then there isn't really an "adjacent" channel. > I believe the group is referring > to the MW IBOC stations that occupy 50% more bandwidth with IBOC > than without, and completely wipe out four adjacent channels. I hope you mean two on each side, four on each side would really be getting carried away. Really if you apply the same crieterion to the IBOC signal as to the orignal, then it is really only one additional channel on each side > WVAZ and WNUA are testing IBOC in your neck of the woods. Perhaps > you were listening to these FM stations the other day. No it was AM, not FM, that I was listening to. > There is no mistaking IBOC on MW- You will know if you heard it. I don't know if it was IBOC or not, I heard an effect that I had never heard before, and I can't explain it any other way. The station in question has been noted as one that is going IBOC, so it seemed like a possible explanation for what I heard, guess I will have to try and contact the station, and see what they say. Low Level Modulation-The Choice Of The Old Generation Plate Modulation-The Choice Of The New Generation IBOC The Choice Of Future Generations John From bjackson@indyradio.com Sat May 03 14:43:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 21:43:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 88185 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 21:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 21:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 21:43:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 21:43:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 21:43:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.43 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > There is one major group, IS it Susquehanna or Entercom, that is > going to put RDS on ALL their FM's ? > > > Powell I can't confirm RDS (even though now all 3 of our Indy stations do run RDS)...But I can confirm that in our last all-staff meeting, we were told all of our stations (AM & FM) *would* run IBOC within the year :-( - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - http://www.indyradio.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat May 03 14:44:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 21:44:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 62939 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 21:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 21:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 21:44:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 21:44:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 21:44:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DRM hybrid mode (was Re: "IBOC John") Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3132 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > =snip= > > > > Does DRM have a compatibility mode like "HD-Radio's" hybrid > > > mode? > > > > Yes, it does. (I believe DRM has something like 8 modes, total, > > maybe more.) > > Yeah, yeah- Replying to myself. :) Thought I would elaborate > further. Glad you did, saved me the trouble of asking. > DRM, unlike IBOC, does not broadcast as a "subcarrier" (for lack of > a better term) in hybrid mode. Instead, it's in quadrature with the > analog audio (DRM uses quadrature modulation for a number of modes, > either for redundancy or to cram additional data for something like > a stereo signal in a 9kHz total bandwidth), Interesting, are you saying that DRM only uses one main data carrier, it doesn't use multiple carriers like IBOC, Eureka, Etc? Putting the digital information on a quadrature carrier seems foolhardy from several different points of view, not the least of which is that the compatibility with existing radios is very poor. A pure quadrature signal does cause ampliude modulation by its very nature, which will cause serious crosstalk from the digital channel into the analog channel even under ideal conditions. In addition various imperfections, like pass band asymmetry, in existing radios will cause further cross talk. Doesn't seem like a good idea to me, even before we consider the effects on the digital signal. > so that a forced-ISB > receiver would hear the analog on one side (in phase) and digital > hiss on the other side (made less noisy than with IBOC, due to the > strength of the carrier (and proximity to it), again unlike IBOC). Huh? How does the quadrature signal suddenly become an ISB signal? That requires that the same information is being transmitted on both the inphase and quadrature components of the signal, and that the information maintains a specified phase relationship before modulation on the quadrature carriers. I think you are seriously confused about the relationship between quadrature and ISB modulation, but still you do pretty well for a mouse. > I could think of another way to broadcast hybrid digital on the > MY/SW bands, but it remains to be tested, if it's ever experimented > on: Transmitting the digital in an FM signal, similar to the RCA > AM/FM system. That is very similar in nature to a quadrature system, but has additional spectral components added to maintain a constant envelope. The additional spectral components cause a spreading of the spectrum beyond a single MW AM channel. When these added components are removed by filters, additional crosstalk results. I would guess that the IBOC people thought of all these ideas, and found that the band separation approach was the only way to make the system work. Low Level Modulation-The Choice Of The Old Generation Plate Modulation-The Choice Of The New Generation IBOC The Choice Of Future Generations John From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat May 03 15:07:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 22:07:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 16138 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 22:07:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 22:07:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 22:07:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 May 2003 15:07:12 -0700 Received: from 172.145.220.156 by bay7-dav50.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 03 May 2003 22:07:12 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 18:07:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2003 22:07:12.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[59724580:01C311C0] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.145.220.156] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 bta_50g wrote: > Low Level Modulation-The Choice Of The Old Generation > Plate Modulation-The Choice Of The New Generation > IBOC The Choice Of Future Generations What about Pulse Duration Modulation? Long live FREE RADIO! Possum - Moderator of the AM DX Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amradiodx/ Plate Modulation-The Choice Of The New Generation From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat May 03 15:12:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 3 May 2003 22:12:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 96763 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 22:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2003 22:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 22:12:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2003 22:12:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 22:12:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 607 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" < possumhunter@n...> wrote: > bta_50g wrote: > > Low Level Modulation-The Choice Of The Old Generation > > Plate Modulation-The Choice Of The New Generation > > IBOC The Choice Of Future Generations > > What about Pulse Duration Modulation? That is simply "Plate Modulation" using a voltage controlled switching power supply, rather than a fixed power supply combined with a class B audio amplifier. Low Level Modulation-The Choice Of The Old Generation Plate Modulation-The Choice Of The New Generation IBOC The Choice Of Future Generations John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 03 17:05:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 00:05:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 66686 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 00:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 00:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 00:05:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 00:05:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 00:05:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "the station in question" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 401 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The station in question has been noted as one that is going IBOC, > so it seemed like a possible explanation for what I heard, guess I > will have to try and contact the station, and see what they say. Could you possibly beat around the bush any more thoroughly, John? As of yet, it is not a crime to transmit IBOC, so why do you apparently REFUSE to directly identify "the station in question"? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 03 17:11:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 00:11:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 78055 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 00:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 00:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 00:11:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 00:11:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 00:11:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 986 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I can't confirm RDS (even though now all 3 of our Indy stations do > run RDS)...But I can confirm that in our last all-staff meeting, we > were told all of our stations (AM & FM) *would* run IBOC within the > year :-( For years, Greater Media used RDS on all of their FM stations and AM Stereo on all of their AM stations... then they added 1170 WWTR and 1250 WMTR to their ownership, both of which are currently mono (despite the fact that both are literally the flick of a switch away from broadcasting in AM Stereo, with Stereo audio even coming over the STLs to the transmitter sites!). Greater Media also aquired a few additional FM stations, whose RDS status I am not certain of, but their "core" FM stations all use RDS, including one in Detroit which displays (or at least used to display) the artist and title of the currently playing song in the transmitted RDS text, and even set up a billboard showing this feature in real-time in order to help promote RDS. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat May 03 17:51:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63045 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 00:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 00:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 00:51:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 00:51:04 -0000 Date: 4 May 2003 00:51:01 -0000 Message-ID: <1052009461.131284.5646.w18@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /pdf/cc-iboc.pdf Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : A document by Clear Channel's Senior VP of Engineering, detailing the interference caused by 1500 WTOP's digital IBOC transmissions upon daytime reception of neighboring 1490 WARK. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/cc-iboc.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From jlehmann@attbi.com Sat May 03 17:55:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlehmann@attbi.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 00:55:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 36112 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 00:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 00:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc02.attbi.com) (204.127.202.62) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 00:55:56 -0000 Received: from amd (h00045a211584.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.30.163.53]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02) with SMTP id <20030504001626002001g3rte>; Sun, 4 May 2003 00:16:26 +0000 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 20:16:27 -0400 Message-ID: <003701c311d2$67c27f30$6401a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Jeff Lehmann" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=98257848 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn I was in New York last weekend, and I was able to get a very weak RDS signal from 105.1 WWPR. It said "POWER105". I could only get it right in the city, and even then, it was in and out. Unless you want to count 99.1 WAWZ, they're the only station in the city with RDS. All the Greater Media stations in Boston use RDS, and show the artist and song title. While I was in NY/NJ, I saw RDS on Greater Media's newly acquired 95.9 WRAT and 100.1 WJRZ. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:12 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: No more FM RDS in New York City > I can't confirm RDS (even though now all 3 of our Indy stations do > run RDS)...But I can confirm that in our last all-staff meeting, we > were told all of our stations (AM & FM) *would* run IBOC within the > year :-( For years, Greater Media used RDS on all of their FM stations and AM Stereo on all of their AM stations... then they added 1170 WWTR and 1250 WMTR to their ownership, both of which are currently mono (despite the fact that both are literally the flick of a switch away from broadcasting in AM Stereo, with Stereo audio even coming over the STLs to the transmitter sites!). Greater Media also aquired a few additional FM stations, whose RDS status I am not certain of, but their "core" FM stations all use RDS, including one in Detroit which displays (or at least used to display) the artist and title of the currently playing song in the transmitted RDS text, and even set up a billboard showing this feature in real-time in order to help promote RDS. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 03 19:13:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 02:13:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 24756 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 02:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 02:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 02:13:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 02:13:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 02:13:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DRM hybrid mode (was Re: "IBOC John") Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1238 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: =snip= > > DRM, unlike IBOC, does not broadcast as a "subcarrier" (for lack of > > a better term) in hybrid mode. Instead, it's in quadrature with the > > analog audio (DRM uses quadrature modulation for a number of modes, > > either for redundancy or to cram additional data for something like > > a stereo signal in a 9kHz total bandwidth), > > Interesting, are you saying that DRM only uses one main data carrier, > it doesn't use multiple carriers like IBOC, Eureka, Etc? Putting DRM uses COFDM, similar to IBOC's and E147's OFDM. To keep this in perspective, a pure tone in AM resembles a second carrier that hetrodynes against the main carrier. (C)OFDM is much like this, solid tones stacked upon one another, to produce a parallel PCM-like code, instead of serial PCM. In the case of DRM, the digital signal occupies 0 Hz - 4 (or 5, or 10) kHz from carrier, instead of IBOC's 10 - 15 kHz from carrier. You can find links to all the technical papers on DRM from http://www.drm.org/ As for the rest of your post, I'll leave others to dissect. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jim@burgan.net Sat May 03 20:02:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 03:02:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 31143 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 03:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 03:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc01.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 03:02:53 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-234-107.client.insightbb.com[12.221.234.107]) by sccimhc01.insightbb.com (sccimhc01) with SMTP id <20030504030252im1002kbele>; Sun, 4 May 2003 03:02:52 +0000 Message-ID: <000301c311e9$a6912c90$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC on 1530 WSAI Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 22:02:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> how do you know that wsai dropped iboc? do you have any inside >> information to confirm this? >That message was referring to the fact that 1530 WSAI is no longer >"testing" IBCO during nighttime hours. WSAI may or may not have also >discontinued use of IBOC during daytime hours... are there any local >listeners here who could verify this? I live 70 miles from Cincinnati, in South Central Indiana and I listened yesterday and again today and they appear to have dropped the IBOC during the daytime too. I heard none of the 'hash' that was covering a nearby 1st adjacent on 1520 last week. I'll keep checking it out and let you know if they resume IBOC on WSAI (or WLW). From jim@burgan.net Sat May 03 20:35:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 03:35:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 78285 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 03:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 03:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 03:35:05 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-234-107.client.insightbb.com[12.221.234.107]) by sccimhc02.insightbb.com (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030504033504im200ad2bve>; Sun, 4 May 2003 03:35:04 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c311ee$267200c0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 22:35:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 When WLW and WOR were testing IBOC at night, both were causing mutual interference. As I just posted, I live 70 miles west of Cincinnati and when WLW was testing IBOC, I could not hear WOR at all. I realize that WOR doesn't put much of their 50kw in our direction, but even though I live 75 miles from WLW's stick in Mason, OH, I could hear WOR at night with some interference from WLW. However when WLW had the IBOC generator turned on, I could hear nothing from WOR. On the other hand, WOR never, ever caused interference to WLW at any time until they turned on their IBOC testing. When WOR had their IBOC 'generator' turned on, it caused the 'hash' on WLW which was audible here, not much, but audible just the same. I have mentioned in the past that there is an almost-local station on 1520 kHz, WKWH in Shelbyville, Indiana. WKWH broadcasts with 1000 watts day, 250 watts night, DA2. When WSAI was testing IBOC, you could hear their 'white noise hash' 5 miles away from the WKWH transmitter site when they were on full daytime power, and you could hear the noise at the WKWH transmitter site when they were on night-time power. AM (MW) radio skywave may very well be a 'curse' as John put it, but it's there and will not allow IBOC to work properly at night, regardless of the changes. If they want to use IBOC on the FM band, so be it as it will cause few of the problems associated with IBOC on AM. On the other hand, there is no technology available that will stop the skywave carriers of co-channel stations from colliding at night and that is why, even when they kill the AM carriers and go full-frequency IBOC on the MW band, it will never work. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 03 21:10:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 04:10:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 61994 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 04:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 04:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 04:10:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 04:10:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 04:10:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c311ee$267200c0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 315 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: =snip= > AM (MW) radio skywave may very well be a 'curse' as John put it, but it's > there and will not allow IBOC to work properly at night, regardless of the > changes. Simply put, you cannot change the laws of physics. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat May 03 21:58:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 04:58:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 97335 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 04:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 04:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 04:58:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 04:58:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 04:58:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 321 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.203 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > They will be forced to make decent radios with MW IBOC. Think > about it, you will need 30kHz I.F. bandwidth to capture it. A nice WIDE ceramic filter for 15KHz analog audio just ripe for a Super High Fidelity C-QuAM conversion. JSG From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 04 05:21:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 12:21:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 35377 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 12:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 12:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 12:21:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 12:21:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 12:21:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC = how to kill radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 175 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > IBOC The Choice Of Future Generations > John IBOC The mode that will kill MW and local radio Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 04 05:51:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 12:51:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 60519 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 12:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 12:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 12:51:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 12:51:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 12:51:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: In an all digital world how many stations? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 906 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Ok, on the MW band we now have over 4000 stations. We'd need to pare down to around 1000 or less. On the current VHF band we call "FM" most of the rims shots in adjacent markets will have to go. That's the only way digital will work,and on the MW band this may be way too optimistic. And audio quality on our VHF band will be a slight step backwards even without analog. But the real deal is all new radios, and control of what you CAN listen to no longer will be in the consumer's hand. On HDTV there are digital flags that can be turned on to prevent the consumer from recording something, or allowing only a certain number of plays. Surely the digital flags can be hidden in the signal, and in case of an "emergency" the government holds the right to control what the consumer can listen to. And have no fear, both the far left and far right would use this to their advantage. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 04 05:55:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 12:55:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 65168 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 12:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 12:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 12:55:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 12:55:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 12:55:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 586 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I was wondering are there any new chips ( we have the Symphony) that has enhanced AM stereo capabilities? At the spring SCBA ( South Carolina Broadcasters Association) meeting Fred Broce, the Atlanta FCC Bureau chief spoke briefly about IBOC and made a passing statement that a Korean company was making a portable IBOC receiver. I aloud joked that battery life would be 30 minutes, which garnered a big laugh. Fred said I was close....1 hour! In addition to new chips, we need radios that have good battery life. I guess the battery makers don't want THAT to happen. Powell From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun May 04 06:11:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 13:11:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 2694 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 13:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 13:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 13:11:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 13:11:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 13:11:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 685 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" > wrote: > > > They will be forced to make decent radios with MW IBOC. Think > > about it, you will need 30kHz I.F. bandwidth to capture it. > > A nice WIDE ceramic filter for 15KHz analog audio just ripe > for a Super High Fidelity C-QuAM conversion. "15KHz analog audio", isn't that over kill for a MW broadcast receiver? You aren't Bob Carver, and this isn't the early 1980's. Where are you going to find a broadcast station transmitting "15KHz analog audio" today? Or is this to go with the Alfredo Light transmitter? John From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 04 06:20:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 13:20:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 80345 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 13:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 13:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 13:20:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 13:20:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 13:20:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1798 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" > > wrote: > > > > > They will be forced to make decent radios with MW IBOC. Think > > > about it, you will need 30kHz I.F. bandwidth to capture it. > > > > A nice WIDE ceramic filter for 15KHz analog audio just ripe > > for a Super High Fidelity C-QuAM conversion. > > "15KHz analog audio", isn't that over kill for a MW broadcast > receiver? You aren't Bob Carver, and this isn't the early 1980's. > Where are you going to find a broadcast station transmitting "15KHz > analog audio" today? Or is this to go with the Alfredo Light > transmitter? > > John 10 would do fine. But another grenade here, John. You have your band improvement, which won't work. Why don't we go world wide, and take all of North and South America to 9 kilohertz spacing, like the rest of the world and START at 520 Kilohertz. Originally the BC band started at 550 in the not too distant past because of a 50 kilohertz buffer from 500 which was the ship distress frequency. That was then reduced to 40 kilohertz. 500 has been abandoned. We could go to 9 kilohertz spacing and if necessary start at 520 or 530, which is the standard in the rest of the world, right? How many frequencies would we then gain? We could re-arrange the band, as was done in 1941, and clear up some of the mess we have. I'd be way more than hard on stations going dark. Unless a catastrophic event, turning a station off, the license is immediately cancelled. If a tower site is lost, and the station knew it was coming and did nothing, too bad. OK....start tossing more grenades. Powell W4OPW From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun May 04 07:05:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 14:05:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 68879 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 14:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 14:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 14:05:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 14:05:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 14:05:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "the station in question" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1207 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.229 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > The station in question has been noted as one that is going IBOC, > > so it seemed like a possible explanation for what I heard, guess I > > will have to try and contact the station, and see what they say. > > Could you possibly beat around the bush any more thoroughly, John? > As of yet, it is not a crime to transmit IBOC, so why do you > apparently REFUSE to directly identify "the station in question"? What do you mean "it is not a crime to transmit IBOC"? On more than one occasion I have read right here in this group that transmitting IBOC is "ILLEGAL", and in my book, "ILLEGAL" is a synonym for crime. I wouldn't want to get anyone into trouble by ratting on them. More to the point, I don't know if I can beat around the bush any more thoroughly or not, but I will make an effort. It shouldn't be any great mystery what the station is. My approximate location is known, and how many AM stations in my general area have been mentioned in the radio discussion groups as having plans to go IBOC? Only one that I have heard of, but then I am not really following the plans of the area stations. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun May 04 07:17:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 14:17:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 1561 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 14:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 14:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 14:17:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 14:17:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 14:17:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DRM hybrid mode (was Re: "IBOC John") Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1776 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.229 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > > wrote: > > =snip= > > > > DRM, unlike IBOC, does not broadcast as a "subcarrier" (for lack > > > of a better term) in hybrid mode. Instead, it's in quadrature > > > with the analog audio (DRM uses quadrature modulation for a > > > number of modes, either for redundancy or to cram additional > > > data for something like a stereo signal in a 9kHz total > > > bandwidth), > > > > Interesting, are you saying that DRM only uses one main data > > carrier, it doesn't use multiple carriers like IBOC, Eureka, Etc? > > DRM uses COFDM, similar to IBOC's and E147's OFDM. It sounds like the mouse got caught in a trap, and now she is trying to back off on her claim that unlike DRM, IBOC is "broadcast as a subcarrier", so now she admits that it is similar in nature to DRM and E147. > To keep this in perspective, a pure tone in AM resembles a second > carrier that hetrodynes against the main carrier. (C)OFDM is much > like this, solid tones stacked upon one another, to produce a > parallel PCM-like code, instead of serial PCM. > > In the case of DRM, the digital signal occupies 0 Hz - 4 (or 5, or > 10) kHz from carrier, instead of IBOC's 10 - 15 kHz from carrier. I suspect that IBOC relies on the frequency separation scheme for the bulk of its data because the "quadrature" scheme just doesn't work all that well as a compatibility mode. > You can find links to all the technical papers on DRM from > http://www.drm.org/ > > As for the rest of your post, I'll leave others to dissect. OK, sounds like a plan to me. John From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 04 08:03:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 15:03:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 39743 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 15:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 15:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 15:03:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 15:03:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 15:03:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DRM hybrid mode (was Re: "IBOC John") Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 881 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > I suspect that IBOC relies on the frequency separation scheme for the > bulk of its data because the "quadrature" scheme just doesn't work all > that well as a compatibility mode. From what I've heard from EXCELLENT engineers, is DRM occupies less space and is more robust then IBOC is. I wonder if you could do BOTH IBOC and DRM at the same time. One reason Ibiquity decided to NOT make IBOC incompatible with DRM is simple. MONEY. They also changed and used Lucent's PAC instead of AAC, not withstanding AAC works far better. Also, remember Ibiquity will exact big licensing fees. For the earliest users, the initial fee was waved. There will be yearly fees, and if you stream data, you pay royalties back on that also. Compatability with DRM would seem to prevent some of this. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 04 08:07:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 15:07:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 12061 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 15:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 15:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 15:07:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 15:07:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 15:07:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DRM hybrid mode (was Re: "IBOC John") Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1036 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW OOPS. See what happens when I don't proof read! And away we go. I removed a not. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > > From what I've heard from EXCELLENT engineers, is DRM occupies less > space and is more robust then IBOC is. I wonder if you could do BOTH > IBOC and DRM at the same time. > > > > One reason Ibiquity decided to make IBOC incompatible with DRM is > simple. MONEY. They also changed and used Lucent's PAC instead of > AAC, not withstanding AAC works far better. Also, remember Ibiquity > will exact big licensing fees. For the earliest users, the initial > fee was waved. There will be yearly fees, and if you stream data, you > pay royalties back on that also. Compatability with DRM would seem to > prevent some of this. Also using the inferior PAC, Lucent gets money from that. I guess by the time I'm 95 the systems will be somewhat better ( I'll be 57 in October )...... ]:) Taking requests for a plaid birthday cake... ( inside joke ) Powell From bjackson@indyradio.com Sun May 04 09:34:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 16:34:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 40828 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 16:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 16:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 16:34:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 16:34:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:34:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 634 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > "15KHz analog audio", isn't that over kill for a MW broadcast > receiver? You aren't Bob Carver, and this isn't the early 1980's. > Where are you going to find a broadcast station transmitting "15KHz > analog audio" today? Or is this to go with the Alfredo Light > transmitter? > > John I can find 3 stations right now with audio to at least 12.5khz, and one with audio out to at least 15khz (That's all the tx-11a will give me). I may not listen to religious stations, but they sure have crisp audio here! - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 04 09:41:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 16:41:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 58736 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 16:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 16:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 16:41:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 16:41:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:41:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 481 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: =snip= > reduced to 40 kilohertz. 500 has been abandoned. We could go to 9 > kilohertz spacing and if necessary start at 520 or 530, which is the > standard in the rest of the world, right? How many frequencies =snip= In the 0kHz ITU bandplan, it started at 540kHz, but presently, the lowest is indeed 531kHz. It, however, terminates near 1620kHz, not 1710kHz as the present US AM band. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 04 09:48:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 16:48:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 22239 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 16:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 16:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 16:48:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 16:48:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:48:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 859 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > "15KHz analog audio", isn't that over kill for a MW broadcast > > receiver? You aren't Bob Carver, and this isn't the early 1980's. > > Where are you going to find a broadcast station transmitting "15KHz > > analog audio" today? Or is this to go with the Alfredo Light > > transmitter? > > > > John > > I can find 3 stations right now with audio to at least 12.5khz, and > one with audio out to at least 15khz (That's all the tx-11a will give > me). I may not listen to religious stations, but they sure have crisp > audio here! If they're Crawford Broadcasting, which there's a good chance they might be, they have excellent engineers, and are quite AM stereo friendly. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 04 09:49:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 16:49:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 71206 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 16:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 16:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 16:49:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 16:49:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:49:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 516 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > > =snip= > > > reduced to 40 kilohertz. 500 has been abandoned. We could go to 9 > > kilohertz spacing and if necessary start at 520 or 530, which is > the > > standard in the rest of the world, right? How many frequencies > > =snip= > > In the 0kHz ITU bandplan, it started at 540kHz, but presently, the Bloody typos... :P 9kHz, not 0kHz. :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bjackson@indyradio.com Sun May 04 10:01:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 17:01:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 33781 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 17:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 17:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 17:01:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 17:01:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 17:01:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "the station in question" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3100 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > What do you mean "it is not a crime to transmit IBOC"? On more than > one occasion I have read right here in this group that transmitting > IBOC is "ILLEGAL", and in my book, "ILLEGAL" is a synonym for crime. > I wouldn't want to get anyone into trouble by ratting on them. > > More to the point, I don't know if I can beat around the bush any more > thoroughly or not, but I will make an effort. It shouldn't be any > great mystery what the station is. My approximate location is known, > and how many AM stations in my general area have been mentioned in the > radio discussion groups as having plans to go IBOC? Only one that I > have heard of, but then I am not really following the plans of the > area stations. > > John For some reason, Johns' posts lately reminded me of something I saw on another newsgroup once: Grey Troll - Who posts an inflammatory comment, and then claims later that they were asking a legitamate question. Viva-Troll - Who subsists on a diet of straight caffein, and sugar injections. 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Post your answers to alt.trolls.rule. Applicants will have made at least 5000 useless postings to newsgroups. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 04 10:41:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 17:41:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 28758 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 17:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 17:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 17:40:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 17:40:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 17:40:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 968 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > I was wondering are there any new chips ( we have the Symphony) that > has enhanced AM stereo capabilities? Not that I'm aware of. The supply of Motorolas is rather finite, yet Toshiba (and maybe a couple other Japanese/asian chipmakers) are still making AMS chips. What bothers me is this dependence on chip manufacturing that we have all become. Once the chips are gone, will anybody know how to make AM stereo radios if they so choose? I am beginning to doubt that. I doubt there's anyone here who can make one without using a C-QUAM chip. This is not to say chips are bad, but with the lack of a generic design or manufacture, and with manufacturers discontinuing such chip series, I'm feeling a bit hopeless about the matter. (I believe it CAN be done without chips, but it remains to be seen if anyone competant in experimenting will ever take the challenge.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun May 04 10:58:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 17:58:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 81033 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 17:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 17:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 17:58:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 17:58:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 17:58:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2037 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.87 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > > 10 would do fine. But another grenade here, John. You have your band > improvement, which won't work. Why don't we go world wide, and take > all of North and South America to 9 kilohertz spacing, like the rest > of the world and START at 520 Kilohertz. Originally the BC band > started at 550 in the not too distant past because of a 50 kilohertz > buffer from 500 which was the ship distress frequency. That was then > reduced to 40 kilohertz. 500 has been abandoned. We could go to 9 > kilohertz spacing and if necessary start at 520 or 530, which is the > standard in the rest of the world, right? How many frequencies would > we then gain? We could re-arrange the band, as was done in 1941, and > clear up some of the mess we have. I'd be way more than hard on > stations going dark. Unless a catastrophic event, turning a station > off, the license is immediately cancelled. If a tower site is lost, > and the station knew it was coming and did nothing, too bad. > > OK....start tossing more grenades. > > > Powell W4OPW After you add in the bandwidth limits of the ferrite antenna and any IF transformers the flat audio response would probably be around 10KHz. At one time I thought that the digital receivers should be made with 5KHz steps as some shortwave radios are. This would give the option of 5, 10 & 15KHz station spacing for low, medium & high fidelity boradcasts. It is also a characteristic of the BW of antenna circuits to have a narrower BW at the low end of the dial and wider BW at the top end because of the 3.2:1 frequency difference. Have 5KHz spacing at the low end, 10KHz spacing in the middle and 15KHz at the top end. For the MW band in America and the SW bands the lowest common denonimator for channel spacing is 5KHz. It is mainly the MW bands in the rest of the world that are at 9KHz spacing and that is not divisible by 5. Maybe the rest of the MW bands should switch to a multiple of 5KHz spacing. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun May 04 11:30:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 18:30:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 67182 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 18:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 18:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 18:30:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 18:30:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 18:30:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1877 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.87 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > What bothers me is this dependence on chip manufacturing that we have=20 > all become. Once the chips are gone, will anybody know how to make AM=20 > stereo radios if they so choose? I am beginning to doubt that. I=20 > doubt there's anyone here who can make one without using a C-QUAM=20 > chip. >=20 > This is not to say chips are bad, but with the lack of a generic=20 > design or manufacture, and with manufacturers discontinuing such chip=20 > series, I'm feeling a bit hopeless about the matter. >=20 > (I believe it CAN be done without chips, but it remains to be seen if=20 > anyone competant in experimenting will ever take the challenge.) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I have thought about this and it is not too hard to build a fixed 90=B0 QuAM receiver from discrete components but adding C-QuAM with all the enhancenemts necessary for good reception under marginal conditions would be expensive and impractible for the hobbiest. Besides a QuAM receiver maintains better signal integrity during interference than even the 3rd generation Motorola C-QuAM Chips. C-QuAM sounds pretty good when decoded as QuAM and isn't an issue unless there is a lot of stereo in the bass. I personally think that it makes no sense to have any separation below 180Hz and this is the frequency that BOSE chose for the crossover point for their Accoustimass system. At these low frequencies bass is non directional and there is actually a disadvantage to to have the bass heavy in only one channel. The bass requires the most power and will rob headroom from the rest of the audio frequency band for that channel. C-QuAM is mainly needed for the bass and is completely unnecessary for the top end. Except for some very old stereo recordings I don't know of any commercial produced music that has a heavy stereo mix in the bass. JSG From rwagoner1@mac.com Sun May 04 11:36:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 18:36:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 1899 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 18:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 18:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 18:36:47 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030504183641.YJWG29512.fed1mtao06.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 14:36:41 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 11:36:42 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "IBOC John" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <59AC1E50-7E5F-11D7-912D-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner On Sunday, May 4, 2003, at 06:20 AM, w4opw wrote: >>> A nice WIDE ceramic filter for 15KHz analog audio just ripe >>> for a Super High Fidelity C-QuAM conversion. >> >> "15KHz analog audio", isn't that over kill for a MW broadcast >> receiver? You aren't Bob Carver, and this isn't the early 1980's. >> Where are you going to find a broadcast station transmitting "15KHz >> analog audio" today? Or is this to go with the Alfredo Light >> transmitter? >> >> John > > > Actually I don't think its overkill. If you REALLY want to improve AM that's one way to do it. The problem with IBOC -- and I have reported on IBOC in my column for years and was very excited about it for years ... until I heard samples -- is that it uses tons of bandwidth and sounds absolutely awful. I can't believe anyone who has heard the samples can honestly say they sound good. Fair, at times, perhaps. But if you want to attract new listeners to AM with supposed improved sound .. and the sound they get is like the samples I have heard, then you'll kill AM anyway ... without even worrying about digital hash on the sidebands. Reminds me of the crappy analog AM stereo radios like the Radio Shack mini-tuner or the Kraco car stereos ... yes, they were AM stereo, but they sounded so bad that people who tried them to hear "improved AM" went back to FM and told everyone how bad AM sounded. AM never recovered from those terrible radios, and huge numbers of stations abandoned music. IBOC will do the same ... people spend big money for a new radio and think "that's it???" From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun May 04 12:17:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 19:17:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 78469 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 19:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 19:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 19:17:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 19:17:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 19:17:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1588 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.229 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > They will be forced to make decent radios with MW IBOC. Think > > > > about it, you will need 30kHz I.F. bandwidth to capture it. > > > > > > A nice WIDE ceramic filter for 15KHz analog audio just ripe > > > for a Super High Fidelity C-QuAM conversion. > > > > "15KHz analog audio", isn't that over kill for a MW broadcast > > receiver? You aren't Bob Carver, and this isn't the early 1980's. > > Where are you going to find a broadcast station transmitting "15KHz > > analog audio" today? Or is this to go with the Alfredo Light > > transmitter? > > > > John > > > 10 would do fine. But another grenade here, John. You have your band > improvement, which won't work. Why don't we go world wide, and take > all of North and South America to 9 kilohertz spacing, like the rest > of the world and START at 520 Kilohertz. If God had meant the MW band to have 9 kHz spacing he would have given us 9 fingers/thumbs instead of the 10 we have. But this is all small potatoes, my new unified improvement plan for the AM & FM bands is specifically designed to please the DXers, and the analog AM stereo fans, while multiplying the number of channels by an order of magnitude, and it does all this within the confines of the existing AM & FM bands. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun May 04 12:21:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 19:21:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 66592 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 19:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 19:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 19:21:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 19:21:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 19:21:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2557 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.229 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > > I was wondering are there any new chips ( we have the Symphony) > > that has enhanced AM stereo capabilities? > > Not that I'm aware of. The supply of Motorolas is rather finite, yet > Toshiba (and maybe a couple other Japanese/asian chipmakers) are > still making AMS chips. > > What bothers me is this dependence on chip manufacturing that we > have all become. Once the chips are gone, will anybody know how to > make AM stereo radios if they so choose? I am beginning to doubt > that. I doubt there's anyone here who can make one without using a > C-QUAM chip. Why does this dependence on chip manufacturing bother you? Do you worry about what will happen if Intel and AMD stop making the chips used in your PC? I suspect there are several people in this group that could easily build a C-QUAM radio without using a C-QUAM chip, after all that's how the first C-QUAM radios were built. C-QUAM is not so complicated that it can't be done without 13028 or whatever. Do you want to use generic analog IC's, discrete transistors, or even vacuum tubes? All you need is a VCO, PLL, VCA, several pseudo analog multipliers, and some miscellaneous op amps, and you are in business, it could even be done with tubes. Or for the computer types, just run the IF through an ADC and into your favorite generic DSP chip and let the software take it from there. > This is not to say chips are bad, but with the lack of a generic > design or manufacture, and with manufacturers discontinuing such > chip series, I'm feeling a bit hopeless about the matter. I don't see why you are feeling so hopeless about the matter, well maybe you should feel hopeless, but not for the reasons you give. There is no problem with building an AM stereo radio from generic parts if one were sufficiently motivated. The real problem is what are you going to listen to with it, that is the real reason you should feel hopeless. > (I believe it CAN be done without chips, but it remains to be seen > if anyone competant in experimenting will ever take the challenge.) OK, what exactly is the challenge, what are the goals for your chipless design, how good does it have to be, are you willing to compromise any performance parameters for the sake of simplicity? Do you really mean "without chips", or can generic analog building block chips be used? What about the DSP/software approach? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun May 04 12:24:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 19:24:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 67012 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 19:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 19:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 19:24:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 19:24:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 19:24:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 604 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.229 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > After you add in the bandwidth limits of the ferrite antenna and > any IF transformers the flat audio response would probably be > around 10KHz. You originally said "A nice WIDE ceramic filter for 15KHz analog audio just ripe for a Super High Fidelity C-QuAM conversion." Now you are trying to back pedal by claiming that didn't include the antenna, even though the IBOC radio with the nice WIDE ceramic filter would have already taken that into account, not to mention your explicit mention of "15KHz analog audio". John From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun May 04 13:11:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 20:11:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 85125 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 20:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 20:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 20:11:47 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.11.106e3420 (3996) for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 16:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11.106e3420.2be6cdfc@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 16:11:40 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10560 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think IBOC should be allowed on the FM band...their sidebands causes adjacent channel interference to the first and second adjacent channels. Keeping analog radio alive is in the best interests of the FCC, not going to the unproven IBOC scheme, which is ALREADY A FAILURE. FM needs to stay analog; multichannel audio is already allowed on the FM band (known as SCA). We don't need to be wasting our airwaves with a technology (IBOC) which WILL NEVER MATURE. Besides, IBOC radios will be expensive and will remain that way. Most Americans cannot afford to pay for radio; the only way to keep radio free of charge is to keep analog, and find a separate band for digital radio (like the industry has done in the rest of the world with the proven Eureka 147 system). Most Americans also cannot afford to replace all five billion radios in the U.S. marketplace. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun May 04 13:11:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 20:11:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 34333 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 20:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 20:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 20:11:47 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.84.1018fb7f (3996) for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 16:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <84.1018fb7f.2be6cdfd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 16:11:41 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC on 1530 WSAI To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10560 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You should also monitor WKRC 550; they may use the low-quality IBOC system on the Once-Mighty KRC next. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun May 04 13:11:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 20:11:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 13471 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 20:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 20:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 20:11:48 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.1c8.93601ad (3996) for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 16:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c8.93601ad.2be6cdfe@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 16:11:42 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No more FM RDS in New York City To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10560 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit St. Louis has only one station left transmitting RDS...KFUO-FM 99.1 in nearby Clayton, MO, which broadcasts a Classical music format. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun May 04 13:11:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 20:11:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 80706 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 20:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 20:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 20:11:51 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.16.2fc36b4f (3996) for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 16:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <16.2fc36b4f.2be6ce01@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 16:11:45 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10560 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At night, even with KMOX blasting away with 50 kW on 1120, I can still pull in KFAB (sometimes WBT or XERED) on 1110 and WBBR (sometimes KFAN) on 1130. If KMOX went to IBOC, it would ruin everything from 1070 to 1150 (even with a station on 1080 in Edwardsville sending Catholic programming to St. Louis). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun May 04 13:11:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 20:11:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 13602 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 20:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 20:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 20:11:53 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.18e.19c0dee7 (3996) for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 16:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <18e.19c0dee7.2be6cdfe@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 16:11:42 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} DRM hybrid mode (was Re: "IBOC John") To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10560 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone needs to get DRM compatible for C-QUAM AM Stereo, however. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun May 04 13:12:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 20:12:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 54245 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 20:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 20:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 20:12:03 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.5f.390190c3 (3996) for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 16:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5f.390190c3.2be6ce04@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 16:11:48 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10560 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, why don't you give up this IBOC baloney, and embrace the only truly proven radio technology, ANALOG? Analog still has room for improvement, while IBOC will never improve. Even the FCC forcing manufacturers to "build better receivers" will not change the situation. IBOC will still make five billion radios in the U.S. marketplace obsolete, and force the American public to buy new receivers it cannot afford. Radio is not about profit...it's about SERVING THE COMMUNITY. If you believe radio is only about profit, then YOU SHOULD GET OUT OF RADIO. Radio is not only a business, but also a COMMUNITY SERVICE. IBOC will not make radio the community servant it's supposed to be. Embrace C-QUAM AM Stereo...and get rid of the crappy IBOC system. IBOC is NOT THE FUTURE OF RADIO. The crisis is not in technology; the real crisis in radio is in HOW THE STATIONS ARE PROGRAMMED. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun May 04 13:51:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 20:51:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 92590 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 20:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 20:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 20:51:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 20:51:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 20:51:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 905 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > > > After you add in the bandwidth limits of the ferrite antenna and > > any IF transformers the flat audio response would probably be > > around 10KHz. > > You originally said "A nice WIDE ceramic filter for 15KHz analog audio > just ripe for a Super High Fidelity C-QuAM conversion." Now you are > trying to back pedal by claiming that didn't include the antenna, even > though the IBOC radio with the nice WIDE ceramic filter would have > already taken that into account, not to mention your explicit mention > of "15KHz analog audio". > > John Like I said, flat to 10KHz but there would still be a response at 15KHz. AM could reproduce good fidelity at a 3dB at 12.5KHz corner freq. and -18dB at 15KHz with everything truncated above 15KHz. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 04 14:09:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 21:09:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 48654 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 21:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 21:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 21:09:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 21:09:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 21:09:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 515 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You originally said "A nice WIDE ceramic filter for 15KHz analog > audio just ripe for a Super High Fidelity C-QuAM conversion." Now > you are trying to back pedal by claiming that didn't include the > antenna, even though the IBOC radio with the nice WIDE ceramic > filter would have already taken that into account, not to mention > your explicit mention of "15KHz analog audio". My question is, why do you take everything *so* seriously in this Forum, *except* for when people challenge your own comments? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun May 04 15:41:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 22:41:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 12328 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 22:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 22:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 22:41:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20030504224132.79046.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.127.57.251] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 May 2003 15:41:32 PDT Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 15:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Analog AM Stereo Sounds Great today. Tuner Challenge To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I'm sitting here listening to CFCO is glorious AM Stereo, and man does it sound wonderful! Gerry Rafferty's 'Baker Street' is cranked loud enough to blow my speakers! If people heard how decent CQuam AM stereo can sound - such as what I'm listening to right now, then there would be no incentive at all for IBOC - except greed. I'm listening to a station 100 miles away, and I'm even in a slight antenna null, yet "full-quieting" stereo, with superb stereo separation (well over 30dB) and high end frequency response. I'm listening on the ole faithful DELCO UX-1, and AFAIC, the UX-1 and 5-band Chrysler Infinity car stereos are the best AM receivers of the past 30 years (in addition to the Fanfare tuners)! I challange any radio manufacturer to build an IBOC radio that can even equal, yet exceed any of the above listed 3 radios. iBiquity, put your money where your mouth is: take my radio receiver challenge as I dare you to try and meet or exceed CQuam stereo AM for real stereo separation and frequency response from 100Hz-10,200Hz. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun May 04 18:00:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 01:00:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 20250 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 01:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 01:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 01:00:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 01:00:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 01:00:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 827 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.189 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > > > HAH! In a lot of big markets, probably no one is modulating that > > > low. In Nashville the average is 130% and the stations sound > > > uniformly horrid. One thing, with IBOC you can't do that. > > > > That's not the fault of the station, most FM exciters can do 130% > > easy. The reason the sound is "uniformly horrid" is the fault of > > receivers that use IF filters that are too narrow. > > Wrong, the reason is the horribly gross overprocessing. It's gotten > to be an epidemic on the FM band. And before that it was an epidemic in the AM band. At least this is one thing we agree on. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun May 04 18:05:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 01:05:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 87058 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 01:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 01:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 01:05:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 01:05:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 01:05:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1717 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.189 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > You originally said "A nice WIDE ceramic filter for 15KHz analog > > audio just ripe for a Super High Fidelity C-QuAM conversion." Now > > you are trying to back pedal by claiming that didn't include the > > antenna, even though the IBOC radio with the nice WIDE ceramic > > filter would have already taken that into account, not to mention > > your explicit mention of "15KHz analog audio". > > My question is, why do you take everything *so* seriously in this > Forum, *except* for when people challenge your own comments? I didn't think I took anything in this group too seriously, I try to just take it all as it comes. The only thing I take seriously about the group is that it is supposed to be a group of people interested in "AM Stereo", but when you dig beneath the surface, you find that it is really a group of MW broadcast band DXers, and digiphobes. I do try and cultivate a certain "character" with my comments, so you seem to indicate that I have been successful in that. I am somewhat confused by your comment that I am not serious "when people challenge your own comments", I usually see the opposite sort of reaction. It is pointless to get too serious about ones comments in a group like this, where everyone has their own agenda, and has their mind fixed. It is better to just say what needs to be said, get it out there, and then leave it alone to rest on its merit, or lack thereof. Low Level Modulation-The Choice Of The Old Generation Plate Modulation-The Choice Of The New Generation Out phasing Modulation-The Choice Of The Thinking Generation IBOC The Choice Of Future Generations John From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 04 18:16:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 01:16:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 10923 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 01:16:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 01:16:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 01:16:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 01:16:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 01:16:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} DRM hybrid mode (was Re: "IBOC John") Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18e.19c0dee7.2be6cdfe@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 241 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Someone needs to get DRM compatible for C-QUAM AM Stereo, however. Not likely since both uses fixed quadrature modulation. This is the same problem with IBOC. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 04 18:26:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 01:26:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 63620 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 01:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 01:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 01:26:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 01:26:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 01:26:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5f.390190c3.2be6ce04@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 857 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > John, why don't you give up this IBOC baloney, and embrace the only truly > proven radio technology, ANALOG? Analog still has room for improvement, while > IBOC will never improve. Even the FCC forcing manufacturers to "build better > receivers" will not change the situation. IBOC will still make five billion > radios in the U.S. marketplace obsolete, and force the American public to buy > new receivers it cannot afford. 5 billion? That's 15 radios for every man, woman and child in the US, which is extremely high. The average is between 3-5, based on personal experience, mostly dominated by car radios and alarm-clock radios. Officially, the figure has been 500 million, but I think this is way underestimated. Around one billion would be more accurate. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 04 18:29:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 01:29:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 68584 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 01:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 01:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 01:29:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 01:29:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 01:29:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > > > > > After you add in the bandwidth limits of the ferrite antenna and > > > any IF transformers the flat audio response would probably be > > > around 10KHz. > > > > You originally said "A nice WIDE ceramic filter for 15KHz analog > audio > > just ripe for a Super High Fidelity C-QuAM conversion." Now you are > > trying to back pedal by claiming that didn't include the antenna, > even > > though the IBOC radio with the nice WIDE ceramic filter would have > > already taken that into account, not to mention your explicit > mention > > of "15KHz analog audio". > > > > John > > Like I said, flat to 10KHz but there would still be a response at > 15KHz. AM could reproduce good fidelity at a 3dB at 12.5KHz corner > freq. and -18dB at 15KHz with everything truncated above 15KHz. This would be consistant with NRSC specs, which only specify a rolloff, not a cutoff, at 10kHz. This, by the way, is the loophole being used for IBOC's digital carriers, by ensuring the digital between 10-15kHz is set at about 10% of modulation. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 04 18:34:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 01:34:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 28598 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 01:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 01:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 01:34:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 01:34:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 01:34:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1779 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: >> > My question is, why do you take everything *so* seriously in this > > Forum, *except* for when people challenge your own comments? ZZZOT! > I didn't think I took anything in this group too seriously, I try to > just take it all as it comes. The only thing I take seriously about > the group is that it is supposed to be a group of people interested in > "AM Stereo", but when you dig beneath the surface, you find that it is > really a group of MW broadcast band DXers, and digiphobes. Digiphobes. Oh,come now John, we can see and smell a dead (digital) fish when it rots in the middle of the road. I do try > and cultivate a certain "character" with my comments, so you seem >to indicate that I have been successful in that. Wellllll I guess.......]:) > I am somewhat confused by your comment that I am not serious "when > people challenge your own comments", I usually see the opposite sort > of reaction. It is pointless to get too serious about ones >comments in a group like this, where everyone has their own agenda, >and has their mind fixed. And you don't have a [hidden] agenda? Yeah, RRRRRIGHT! [ big echo ] >It is better to just say what needs to be said, get >it out there, and then leave it alone to rest on its merit, or lack >thereof. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > Low Level Modulation-The Choice Of The Old Generation > Plate Modulation-The Choice Of The New Generation > Out phasing Modulation-The Choice Of The Thinking Generation > IBOC The Choice Of Future Generations ^ DEAF Powell > John From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 04 18:37:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 01:37:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 47338 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 01:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 01:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 01:37:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 01:37:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 01:37:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 569 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote:> > 5 billion? That's 15 radios for every man, woman and child in the >US, which is extremely high. The average is between 3-5, based on > personal experience, mostly dominated by car radios and alarm- >clock radios. > Officially, the figure has been 500 million, but I think this is way underestimated. Around one billion would be more accurate. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Maybe he's right if you count all I have Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 04 18:43:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 01:43:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 15795 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 01:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 01:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 01:43:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 01:43:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 01:43:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 944 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > > Wrong, the reason is the horribly gross overprocessing. It's gotten > > to be an epidemic on the FM band. > > And before that it was an epidemic in the AM band. At least this is one thing we agree on. > John At least the AM band with modern processing and transmitters sounds decent. I found a station in western Oklahoma with just a fantastic sound. It was a KW station in a very small town playing country music! At WKDK we have a late 60's RCA BTA 1R2,and a Optimod 9100B. We do modulate highly but not el smusho. I get calls on Saturday during my afternoon oldies. I play all kinds of stuff from the 50's to the 70's. I often get "cold" calls from travelers on the Interstate, AMAZED there's someone live on AM **OR** FM within 150 miles. Powell W4OPW and sometimes even WKDK! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 04 19:18:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 02:18:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 57113 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 02:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 02:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 02:18:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 02:18:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 02:18:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 386 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I do try and cultivate a certain "character" with my comments, so > you seem to indicate that I have been successful in that. There -- at least now you're honest about it. You *do* have an agenda here -- to purposely start needless and pointless arguments by nit-picking minor details whenever you feel that doing so would provoke such a result. In other words, you're a troll. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 04 19:41:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 02:41:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 36912 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 02:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 02:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 02:41:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 02:41:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 02:41:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2083 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > At WKDK we have a late 60's RCA BTA 1R2,and a Optimod 9100B. > We do modulate highly but not el smusho. The Optimod 9100 is the best of the bunch when it comes to making a station that is both VERY LOUD and very hi-fi, in Stereo where available. It can be pushed right up to the limits of what you can squeeze out of a legally modulated AM signal, without even a hint of distortion or harshness. In fact, it's far superior to any of the latest Optimod and Omnia *FM* processors, all of which often produce obnoxiously distorted audio. I'm talking about sheer, unadulterated *distortion* -- you can really hear the grunge when a strong bass line cuts through an otherwise soft acoustic passage, and it's mostly due to the extreme amount of digital clipping that these FM processors use -- they blatantly turn the bass waveforms into square waves, and then try to reduce the distortion this causes by filtering out some of the harmonics. Is it LOUD? Yes! But is it anywhere near "hi-fi"? NO! Lately I've been fooling around with a low-power FM transmitter, and it's always a breath of fresh air when I tune in my signal, compared to the garbage on the rest of the band. I'm using my own custom wide-band processing followed by a classic Gates SOLID STATESMAN limiter, set for about 5 to 7 dB of limiting. It's not the loudest on the dial, but it's clean and "punchy", and actually preserves some good dynamic range. In fact I'm looking to get another Gates so I can upgrade to FM Stereo! Meanwhile, you can get a taste of what this processing set-up sounds like from this MP3 audio sample: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/kevtronimod.mp3 It's still very much a "home-brew" set-up... for example, the audio transformer to couple live-level audio to the Gates' balanced input was taken from a Radio Shack "Science Fair" spring-clip project kit. And my "STL" to the remotely mounted transmitter (right at the antenna, to avoid feedline loss) is a 4-wire telephone cord... red and black for +12V and Ground, green and yellow for the audio! From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 04 19:46:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 02:46:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 23609 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 02:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 02:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 02:46:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 02:46:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 02:46:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2491 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: =3Dsnip=3D > I have thought about this and it is not too hard to build a fixed > 90=B0 QuAM receiver from discrete components but adding C-QuAM with > all the enhancenemts necessary for good reception under marginal > conditions would be expensive and impractible for the hobbiest. What I have seen from what few schems I've seen of the chips, C-QUAM=20 is not nearly as complicated in design as one might think, as far as=20 I can tell. (The biggest headache for figuring out how it works is=20 the dematrixing and cosine correctors to deliver proper stereo=20 decoding. Much of the rest of a basic decoder simply uses a sync=20 detector and a negative-modulation limiter. I need to further examine the IC designs, or even better, study a=20 schematic for a C-QUAM monitor, which I'm still waiting for from MJR. > Besides a QuAM receiver maintains better signal integrity during > interference than even the 3rd generation Motorola C-QuAM Chips. The heart of C-QUAM is QUAM, so this shouldn't be too hard to=20 incorporate. > C-QuAM sounds pretty good when decoded as QuAM and isn't an issue > unless there is a lot of stereo in the bass. I personally think > that it makes no sense to have any separation below 180Hz and this > is the frequency that BOSE chose for the crossover point for their > Accoustimass system. At these low frequencies bass is non=20 directional > and there is actually a disadvantage to to have the bass heavy in=20 only > one channel. The bass requires the most power and will rob headroom > from the rest of the audio frequency band for that channel. C-QuAM > is mainly needed for the bass and is completely unnecessary for the > top end. Except for some very old stereo recordings I don't know of > any commercial produced music that has a heavy stereo mix in the > bass. On this, I would disagree, in that bass does convey direction. Also,=20 QUAM detyection development has advanced sufficiently that it's=20 possible to get stereo separation as low as 5-10Hz (necessary=20 nowadays for C-QUAM's pilot at 25Hz NOT to interfere with the=20 reception, even in mono on a sync detector). Your solution is similar to the CBS QUAM system of the late 1950s,=20 which was to limit the quadrature difference audio from 300Hz to=20 3kHz. What I have seen designed since elimitated the cross-channel=20 problem in the detection. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 04 19:50:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 02:50:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 85081 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 02:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 02:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 02:50:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 02:50:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 02:50:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RDS for $5! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1037 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics In an old computer accessories catalog I came across an ad for the "Cadet" AM/FM receiver, which plugs into an expansion slot in your PC and is controlled through Windows software. Two unusual features are that it has AM reception (most PC radio cards are FM-only), and also has RDS on FM, with all the revelent RDS features, such as Program Type, Traffic Announcements, and it will even set your PC's clock if a station is sending the appropriate RDS signal. Well, lo and behold, this product is still around, and I came across one web site selling it for $5.44 a pop! Even after you throw in shipping, you get a complete PC-controlled AM/FM/RDS receiver for less than $16.00! You can order it here: http://www.thenerds.net/productpage.asp?pn=495417&d=1&s=1 Alas, no AM Stereo, and I don't have high hopes of its AM tuner working all that well with the computer interference, but it's still a neat toy, and a very cheap way to get a taste of RDS. Now... when are we going to see IBOC receivers at this kind of price? From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 04 19:53:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 02:53:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 97400 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 02:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 02:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 02:53:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 02:53:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 02:53:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 892 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "w4opw" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote:> > > 5 billion? That's 15 radios for every man, woman and child in the > >US, which is extremely high. The average is between 3-5, based on > > personal experience, mostly dominated by car radios and alarm- > >clock radios. > > > Officially, the figure has been 500 million, but I think this is > way underestimated. Around one billion would be more accurate. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > Maybe he's right if you count all I have Most aren't quite as radio-obsessed as we are, Powell... ;) Within reach of me are 5 radios, and another 5-10 more elsewhere around the property, and my mother has just three, and three would be closer to average. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 04 19:56:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 02:56:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 88979 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 02:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 02:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 02:56:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 02:56:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 02:56:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 627 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I do try and cultivate a certain "character" with my comments, so > > you seem to indicate that I have been successful in that. > > There -- at least now you're honest about it. You *do* have an > agenda here -- to purposely start needless and pointless arguments > by nit-picking minor details whenever you feel that doing so would > provoke such a result. > > In other words, you're a troll. I think that he thinks this is the acceptable behavior, since he did come in from UseNet, where such berhavior is ubiquitous. :/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun May 04 19:57:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 02:57:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 87758 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 02:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 02:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 02:57:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 02:57:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 02:57:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 567 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > 5 billion? That's 15 radios for every man, woman and child in the US, > which is extremely high. The average is between 3-5, based on > personal experience, mostly dominated by car radios and alarm-clock > radios. > > Officially, the figure has been 500 million, but I think this is way > underestimated. Around one billion would be more accurate. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Well I can count at least 10 within our household which includes home receivers, car radios and portables. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun May 04 20:02:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 03:02:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 66261 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 03:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 03:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 03:02:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 03:02:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 03:02:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 503 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I do try and cultivate a certain "character" with my comments, so > > you seem to indicate that I have been successful in that. > > There -- at least now you're honest about it. You *do* have an > agenda here -- to purposely start needless and pointless arguments > by nit-picking minor details whenever you feel that doing so would > provoke such a result. > > In other words, you're a troll. The iBiquity Mole Troll! From eh@mad.scientist.com Sun May 04 20:13:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: eh@mad.scientist.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 03:13:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 25651 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 03:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 03:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc01.attbi.com) (204.127.202.61) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 03:12:56 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (h0004ac962bf6.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.34.138.93]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <2003050503125500100csm6de>; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:12:55 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Electric Brain To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} No more FM RDS in New York City Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 23:11:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200305030303.00300.eh@mad.scientist.com> From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61599074 X-Yahoo-Profile: eirikurh (I didn't get a copy back in the list traffic. Sorry if this is a dupe.) I am a big fan of RDS. My only real complaint with it is the seeming standard short 12 (or so) character display, which requires scrolling. Is that in the standard so that low-cost displays can be used? I just hate it. I'd like to have a display that can show the entire string from the RadioText stream, which never seems to be more than 40 or so characters. Scrolling is very cute and eye-catching, but it's like blinking web pages. Gets old fast. I don't like waiting to see the whole message. Something really freaky is up with RDS here in the backwater of New Hampshire. I hit the RDS/AF button by accident about a month ago, on my Grundig Sattelit 700, and by gosh, it switched to an "alternate frequency." This is on N.H. Public radio. They are actually sending the alternate frequencies (there's a standard mechanism for the alternate frequency list) that give fairly significant coverage area in the state. (Probably not good coverage up in the mountains and near the Canadian border.) I have not tried to see if my car tuner will automagically look for a better frequency when a given FM station fades (if RDS/AF is present). I should do that. I bet good European car radios do. RDS/AF is, of course, exactly something that a commercial station would never use. BBC, Deutche Velle, and other country-wide services in Europe are the big users. It's rather nauseating that tuners like the Teac H500 are lobotomized for the US market. The Boston area (I'm in "sudden" N.H.) has a number of stations with meaningful use of RDS. There's an NPR outlet, a couple of commercial stations that only send their call letters, and one wacky FM talk radio station that has insanely complete RDS, including the time signal for auto-setting the clock (if your radio has one, my Kenwood car tuner supports this). They constantly change the RadioText, giving call-in numbers, upcoming guests, etc, it's really very nice. Too bad that I hate their content, but I seriously admire and appreciate the effort. There's another station that sends the title and artist info for the current song (I haven't checked this to see if they are still doing it). I have email in to the chief engineer at NHPR (N.H. NPR), complimenting them on the RDS/AF, which I have never heard of in the U.S. I'm going to see if I can go do some volunteer technical work there. Eirikur From dav259@csiro.au Sun May 04 20:51:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 03:51:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 70020 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 03:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 03:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 03:51:07 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h453p5704684 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:51:05 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:51:05 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "IBOC John" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 5 May 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > There -- at least now you're honest about it. You *do* have an > agenda here -- to purposely start needless and pointless arguments > by nit-picking minor details whenever you feel that doing so would > provoke such a result. > > In other words, you're a troll. Or even worse ... an HR Manager!! Kindly give us an example of how you are enjoying IBOC. Or really is it pie in the sky??? From eh@mad.scientist.com Sun May 04 21:07:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: eh@mad.scientist.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 04:06:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 53352 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 04:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 04:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc53.attbi.com) (204.127.198.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 04:06:53 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (h0004ac962bf6.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.34.138.93]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with SMTP id <2003050503113705300lijrae>; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:11:37 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Electric Brain To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1090 in Baltimore xmits stereo? Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 23:10:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200305042310.15736.eh@mad.scientist.com> From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61599074 X-Yahoo-Profile: eirikurh Better than usual signal tonight, but, oh, I'm not getting Boston's WILD, I'm getting Baltimore, and this on the MCS AM stereo tuner. It's in stereo, judging by ear, so it's not just fooling the indicator circuit. I can understand my high-performance boxes (Grundig SW) getting skywave from Baltimore, but I'm skeptical of the MCS tuner, even with the Terk AM Advantage antenna. Hmmm, so 1090 in Baltimore is stereo? Maybe WILD repeats some Baltimore programming without edits? Was I in a decent location, I'd try direction-finding with a ferrite-loop. I've got a good direction-finder radio that covers the old LW beacon band (getting AM/MW direction-finding for free) coming next week. That and a trip to my sister's place (not an apartment building full of interference) may get this figured-out. Eirikur From kfornal@cox.net Sun May 04 21:11:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 04:10:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 46525 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 04:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 04:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao02.cox.net) (68.1.17.243) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 04:10:51 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030505041049.CRYG24359.lakemtao02.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 00:10:49 -0400 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1090 in Baltimore xmits stereo? Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 00:09:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c312bc$2ceb8510$0301a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <200305042310.15736.eh@mad.scientist.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=128541479 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy If you are listening at night, it's WBAL 1090 Baltimore since WILD 1090=20 Boston is daytime only. Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org -----Original Message----- From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson [mailto:eh@mad.scientist.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:10 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} 1090 in Baltimore xmits stereo? Better than usual signal tonight, but, oh, I'm not getting Boston's WILD,=20 I'm getting Baltimore, and this on the MCS AM stereo tuner.=A0=A0 It's in=20 stereo, judging by ear, so it's not just fooling the indicator circuit. I can understand my high-performance boxes (Grundig SW) getting skywave=20 from Baltimore, but I'm skeptical of the MCS tuner, even with the Terk AM=20 Advantage antenna.=20 Hmmm, so 1090 in Baltimore is stereo?=A0=A0=A0 Maybe WILD repeats some Baltimore=20 programming without edits?=A0=A0=A0 Was I in a decent location, I'd try=20 direction-finding with a ferrite-loop. I've got a good direction-finder radio that covers the old LW beacon band=20 (getting AM/MW direction-finding for free) coming next week.=A0=A0 That and a=20 trip to my sister's place (not an apartment building full of interference)=20 may get this figured-out. Eirikur Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun May 04 21:37:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 04:37:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 19842 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 04:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 04:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 04:37:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 04:37:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 04:37:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5379 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > > wrote: >=20 > =3Dsnip=3D >=20 > > I have thought about this and it is not too hard to build a fixed > > 90=B0 QuAM receiver from discrete components but adding C-QuAM with > > all the enhancenemts necessary for good reception under marginal > > conditions would be expensive and impractible for the hobbiest. >=20 > What I have seen from what few schems I've seen of the chips, C-QUAM=20 > is not nearly as complicated in design as one might think, as far as=20 > I can tell. (The biggest headache for figuring out how it works is=20 > the dematrixing and cosine correctors to deliver proper stereo=20 > decoding. Much of the rest of a basic decoder simply uses a sync=20 > detector and a negative-modulation limiter. >=20 > I need to further examine the IC designs, or even better, study a=20 > schematic for a C-QUAM monitor, which I'm still waiting for from MJR. For a good decoder you would need extensive cosine signal processing before applying it to eliminate interference based distortion=20 especially on downward modulations. This was the downfall of the=20 13020 chip but was corrected in the later chips. Building a variable gain IF amp to apply cosine correction without introducing DC shift with few components is also an obstacle. Chip design makes all these problems easy to address and is not easy to economically do this with discrete components. >=20 > > Besides a QuAM receiver maintains better signal integrity during > > interference than even the 3rd generation Motorola C-QuAM Chips. >=20 > The heart of C-QUAM is QUAM, so this shouldn't be too hard to=20 > incorporate. One of the dislikes I have for C-QuAM over QuAM is that decoding is based on the envelope detector. Just as a regular QuAM signal will produce distortion with envelope detectors interference will produce the same effect. It shows up as harmonics of the mathematical product of both desired and interfering signal. At the receiver it can't be removed and it just becomes part of the envelope. In a C-QuAM decoder this corrupted envelope signal us used to develop a corrupted cosine signal, which is then modulated into the synchronously detected L-R signal. If there was any way to detect L-R with all the inherent shortcomings of the envelope detector C-QuAM is the way to do it. The envelope functions in a nonlinear manner when their is information in the quadrature channel hence the reason for predistorting both I & Q signals in C-QuAM for envelope compatibility. Synchronous detectors function linearly when there is interference only producing the sum of both desired and and interfering signals but does not produce nonlinear mixing of the signals. This was taken into account somewhat in the design of the later chips as the amount of cosine correction is reduced when interference increases. When it gets bad enough to produce more distortion than what the signal originally had cosine correction is completely shut off and L-R is detected as a pure QuAM signal but L+R is still detected with all the inherent shortcomings of the envelope detector. The newer chips do have enhanced envelope detection for L+R that works better than what is in the 13020 chip but it doesn't sound as good as pure synchronous detection under marginal conditions. If anyone doesn't belive this they can try this simple hack with the 13020 chip to obtain a synchronously detected L+R. Under interfering conditions it sounds better than the 13028 decoder I recently built. Here is a link to this: http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/13020-CrackleFix.gif >=20 > On this, I would disagree, in that bass does convey direction. Also,=20 > QUAM detyection development has advanced sufficiently that it's=20 > possible to get stereo separation as low as 5-10Hz (necessary=20 > nowadays for C-QUAM's pilot at 25Hz NOT to interfere with the=20 > reception, even in mono on a sync detector). >=20 > Your solution is similar to the CBS QUAM system of the late 1950s,=20 > which was to limit the quadrature difference audio from 300Hz to=20 > 3kHz. What I have seen designed since elimitated the cross-channel=20 > problem in the detection. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ While this is not an issue in transmittion and reception of AM-Stereo signals with the latest decoders and it doesn't matter where the source comes from but once it reaches the power amp large amounts of separation in the bass sacrifices maximum bass power output. A=20 mono bass signal can deliver twice as much punch coming from both speakers than just coming from one. I would say that 300Hz is a=20 little high for a cutoff point as to many of the bass harmonics are also mono-ed. At half that frequency there should be enough bass=20 harmonics to to convey good direction to the mono bass portion of the signal. It may not be quite as good as complete separation at 50Hz but for most music material most people wouldn't notice a big enough difference vs the power tradeoff that is sacrificed.=20 The Motorola exciters only produced L-R down to 100Hz while L+R went down to 50Hz. I guess this is a matter of taste but even in todays home theater systems and the 5.1 surround sound the 5 channels convey direction while the mono bass handeles the punch.=20 JSG From rwagoner1@mac.com Sun May 04 22:49:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 05:49:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 87353 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 05:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 05:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 05:49:49 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030505054946.CFLR1868.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 01:49:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 22:49:46 -0700 Subject: Re: numbers of radios Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <60C06B4D-7EBD-11D7-912D-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner On Sunday, May 4, 2003, at 07:53 PM, amymousie wrote: > Most aren't quite as radio-obsessed as we are, Powell... ;) Within > reach of me are 5 radios, and another 5-10 more elsewhere around the > property, and my mother has just three, and three would be closer to > average. > > Most people I know have at least one radio in every bedroom, a stereo/receiver in the main living room, one in the garage, and the ones in cars. Even then you're not counting Walkman-style radios. Three is way below average. On a completely unrelated topic, my favorite AM station over the past two months (not stereo, but good 70s oldies that aren't played anywhere else ... not even on my iPod, because I had completely forgotten about the songs) is switching back to classical. Personally I wish they put the classical on the FM and kept the AM as 1450 The Fox. But most stations I like go away fast. Says something about my taste I suppose ... From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun May 04 23:39:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 06:39:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 75099 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 06:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 06:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 06:39:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 06:39:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 06:39:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 900 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.180 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > > > > > Besides a QuAM receiver maintains better signal integrity during > > > interference than even the 3rd generation Motorola C-QuAM Chips. > > > > The heart of C-QUAM is QUAM, so this shouldn't be too hard to > > incorporate. > > One of the dislikes I have for C-QuAM over QuAM is that decoding > is based on the envelope detector. Just as a regular QuAM signal > will produce distortion with envelope detectors interference will > produce the same effect. It shows up as harmonics of the mathematical.... Sorry, how rude of me. ;-) I didn't catch that you were agreeing with me, being in a semi rant mode in dealing with the Mole Troll at times. Anyway enjoy the discussion about inferior envelope detectors and superior synchronous detectors. JSG From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon May 05 04:34:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 11:34:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 39189 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 11:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 11:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 11:34:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 11:34:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 11:34:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New WB-AMS recs of RSX Italy and 1593 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 44 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.58.181 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan In the Files section of amstereoforumeurope From fanfare@globility.com Mon May 05 08:16:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 15:16:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 49363 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 15:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 15:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 15:16:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 15:16:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 15:16:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: numbers of radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <60C06B4D-7EBD-11D7-912D-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 521 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.114 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > the songs) is switching back to classical. Personally I wish they put > the classical on the FM and kept the AM as 1450 The Fox. But most > stations I like go away fast. Says something about my taste I suppose > ... That is one of the most "interesting" format changes I have heard of to date. Why don't they know to know what other radio stations think they know? Better still, what do they know that we don't? MS From michaelj@vcn.com Mon May 05 08:19:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 15:19:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 76453 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 15:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 15:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 15:06:16 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 09:06:16 -0600 Message-ID: <00da01c31318$1f51c020$5401010a@AM> To: Subject: DOH! (OT a little) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:08:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know a lot of you guys are gonna laugh, but all I can say is THANKS A LOT!! Over the last little while (6 mos. to a year at least) we've had a LOT of discussion and talk about compression artifacts in music. Ya know....I guess I hadn't noticed before and thought MP3's were pretty much CD quality. Now that I've read so much about it and talked so much about it here on the list, I REALLY REALLY notice things that I didn't use to. And now I'm a LOT more critical. I guess it still beats having to buy the CDs, though. I've got my wife noticing it too....now I hear her say a lot more "boy that sounds like CRAP!". I think it's also the fact that there are so many MP3 encoders/decoders out now. I try whenever possible to find MP3's that were encoded using the fraunhafer L3ENC method since that's the best one from what I hear. Heck, they INVENTED the MP3 technology. I just wish that someone could come up with a program that could take MP3's that have really bad compression artifacts and fix them so that the swimming and squashing goes away. I know...it's OT, but I DO download a lot of mp3's for airplay and that's when I notice this the most, even though I'm on AM. True, that might make it possible for me to get away with a little more than someone playing MP3's on FM. But then again, with us being AM Stereo, it's noticible and yeah, you can hear the artifacts pretty good especially here in the studio on the Motorola monitor. Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Mon May 05 08:25:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 15:25:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 82771 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 15:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 15:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 15:25:17 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 09:25:16 -0600 Message-ID: <00e801c3131a$c7641bd0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:27:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While we're talking about detection and how everything works and so forth, any simple ideas about why I get some distortion in one channel when there's nothing in it? What I mean is that if there's a song that has wonderful stereo separation......such as a song that starts out with a guitar is just one channel....when that guitar is going on in the one channel, there is some distortion in the "quiet" channel. This is not noticable at all whenever there is audio content in both channels. But when there is something in only one channel, the other channel has distortion in it. This has been a problem since I installed the C-quam exciter here. I realize it may be a problem with the exciter. I know we've discussed "single-channel" modulation and how this can be associated with this problem. And yeah, I do find that if I turn the modulation down.....say to about 40 or 50 percent, then it is fine and when there's content in only one channel, the other channel is completely quiet. But you can't run that low. Not only is it illegal, but that really IS noticable to the common listener. Stereo or mono. It's LOW. So I'd rather modulate at 100% or 110% so that we're as loud as any other AM signal on the dial. Exciter problem? Transmitter problem? Could the signal into the McMartin transmitter coming from the exciter be too hot? That seems like it wouldn't be the case, but I don't know for sure. Any ideas?? I'd like to fix it. It's annoying at times, especially with a "classic country" format and lots of our music having glorious separation. I'd like to have the best separation possible, but find myself cutting down this separation some so that I can keep the distortion to a minimum. JSGilst...any thoughts? Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 05 09:48:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 16:48:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 84322 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 16:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 16:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 16:19:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 16:19:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 16:19:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: single-channel distortion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e801c3131a$c7641bd0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3213 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > any simple ideas about why I get some distortion in one channel > when there's nothing in it? What I mean is that if there's a song > that has wonderful stereo separation......such as a song that > starts out with a guitar is just one channel....when that guitar is > going on in the one channel, there is some distortion in the > "quiet" channel. What receiver are you using when you're hearing this? The kind of distortion you describe is a problem with certain radios, including Sony's AM Stereo decoder (which actually wasn't designed for the C-Quam system), such as found in the SRF-42, as well as some of the early AM Stereo decoders from Motorola, such as the MC13020, commonly used in 1980s radios. Basically, the greater the amount of Stereo separation in the audio, with single-channel audio being the maximum, the more that the receiver needs to apply "cosine correction" in order to properly decode the audio without extra distortion. The new C-Quam decoders from Motorola, found in most AM Stereo car radios from the early 1990s to present, do a much better job of this, and will rarely produce distorted sound, even from very highly modulated signals. Of course, there could still be a fault in your C-Quam exciter, in which case even the best AM Stereo receiver would produce this kind of distortion. But you really won't know for sure until you listen to it on a modern AM Stereo receiver. These are admittedly not that common in home or portable form, but it's not that difficult to acquire a GM/Delco or Chrysler "AMAX" car radio and hook it up to a 12V power supply and a set of speakers. These car radios from about 1994 to present do use the latest C-Quam decoder design and deliver some of the best quality you're ever going to get from AM Stereo. It also might depend on what kind of audio processing you're using at the station. The Optimod 9100 tends to reduce Stereo separation during single-channel audio in order to allow higher modulation to be used, but that is not as pleasing to the Stereo enthusiast, as audio that's supposed to be in a single channel starts coming out more towards the center and then "kicks back" to full separation once the other channel joins in(*). The Omnia and CRL processors maintain full separation at all times, which is better for 1960s-type Stereo music, but you might not get the same high levels of modulation from them as from the Optimod. (* this effect is quite easy to distinguish, and thus from the recordings I've heard, I can tell "France Bleu" on 864 kHz AM Stereo in Paris is using an Optimod 9100 audio processor!) But even slightly distorted audio is better than that of one of my local FM stations, which has some strange processing that detects single-channel audio and after a few seconds "mono-izes" it. It also detects out-of-phase audio in a similar manner and flips the phase to make it correct. Then when the incoming audio returns to normal, it cancels these modifications after a short delay. It is also rather "touchy", so sometimes it flips back and forth several times. You should hear it go crazy during the long single-channel intro of Al Stewart's "Year Of The Cat"! From droach@direct.ca Mon May 05 10:16:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: droach@direct.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 17:16:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 19580 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 17:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 17:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.222) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 17:16:18 -0000 Received: from dan.direct.ca ([64.180.122.175]) by priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030505171617.XDYP2199.priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net@dan.direct.ca> for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:16:17 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20030505101056.02a60ec0@mail.direct.ca> X-Sender: droach@direct.ca@mail.direct.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 10:22:43 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion In-Reply-To: References: <00e801c3131a$c7641bd0$5401010a@AM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Dan Roach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=75892843 X-Yahoo-Profile: rastadudeca 1) The transmission problem described can very likely be traced to an L+R gain problem. The C-QUAM exciter generates two L+R signals, one on the I carrier and one audio output to the transmitter. The I carrier is fixed inside the unit, and the audio output is trimmed in level to match it by modulating the transmitter and watching the output on a scope and mod monitor. Phase and modulation level must be matched exactly. Carrier shift in the transmitter will add an error term that could also account for the idle channel distortion. For real distortion try reversing the phase of the audio into the transmitter! 2) The weird audio effects you mention on the local FM station are almost certainly caused by a device called a Phase Chaser, made by Howe Audio in the 80's. It was designed to cancel out long-term stereo phase errors caused by misaligned analog tape head azimuth. It also included a phase flip and fill option: if two channels were right out of phase, it would reverse them; if one channel was missing, it would be filled with the other (mono). Some songs with odd stereo effects caused very strange results out of the phase chaser. The need for the device has been largely eliminated by the use of digital storage media, which do not suffer phase errors from misalignment. Most stations have removed them, since with today's equipment they cause more trouble than good... D At 04:19 PM 5/5/03 +0000, you wrote: > > any simple ideas about why I get some distortion in one channel > > when there's nothing in it? What I mean is that if there's a song > > that has wonderful stereo separation......such as a song that > > starts out with a guitar is just one channel....when that guitar is > > going on in the one channel, there is some distortion in the > > "quiet" channel. > >What receiver are you using when you're hearing this? The kind of >distortion you describe is a problem with certain radios, including >Sony's AM Stereo decoder (which actually wasn't designed for the >C-Quam system), such as found in the SRF-42, as well as some of the >early AM Stereo decoders from Motorola, such as the MC13020, commonly >used in 1980s radios. > >Basically, the greater the amount of Stereo separation in the audio, >with single-channel audio being the maximum, the more that the >receiver needs to apply "cosine correction" in order to properly >decode the audio without extra distortion. The new C-Quam decoders >from Motorola, found in most AM Stereo car radios from the early >1990s to present, do a much better job of this, and will rarely >produce distorted sound, even from very highly modulated signals. > >Of course, there could still be a fault in your C-Quam exciter, in >which case even the best AM Stereo receiver would produce this kind >of distortion. But you really won't know for sure until you listen >to it on a modern AM Stereo receiver. These are admittedly not that >common in home or portable form, but it's not that difficult to >acquire a GM/Delco or Chrysler "AMAX" car radio and hook it up to a >12V power supply and a set of speakers. These car radios from about >1994 to present do use the latest C-Quam decoder design and deliver >some of the best quality you're ever going to get from AM Stereo. > >It also might depend on what kind of audio processing you're using at >the station. The Optimod 9100 tends to reduce Stereo separation >during single-channel audio in order to allow higher modulation to be >used, but that is not as pleasing to the Stereo enthusiast, as audio >that's supposed to be in a single channel starts coming out more >towards the center and then "kicks back" to full separation once the >other channel joins in(*). The Omnia and CRL processors maintain >full separation at all times, which is better for 1960s-type Stereo >music, but you might not get the same high levels of modulation from >them as from the Optimod. > >(* this effect is quite easy to distinguish, and thus from the >recordings I've heard, I can tell "France Bleu" on 864 kHz AM Stereo >in Paris is using an Optimod 9100 audio processor!) > >But even slightly distorted audio is better than that of one of my >local FM stations, which has some strange processing that detects >single-channel audio and after a few seconds "mono-izes" it. It also >detects out-of-phase audio in a similar manner and flips the phase to >make it correct. Then when the incoming audio returns to normal, it >cancels these modifications after a short delay. It is also rather >"touchy", so sometimes it flips back and forth several times. You >should hear it go crazy during the long single-channel intro of >Al Stewart's "Year Of The Cat"! > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From fanfare@globility.com Mon May 05 10:16:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 17:16:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 50865 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 16:26:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 16:26:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 16:26:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 16:26:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 16:26:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e801c3131a$c7641bd0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1177 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.114 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > While we're talking about detection and how everything works and so forth, any simple ideas about why I get some distortion in one channel when there's nothing in it? What I mean is that if there's a song that has wonderful stereo separation......such as a song that starts out with a guitar is just one channel....when that guitar is going on in the one channel, there is some distortion in the "quiet" channel. This is not noticable at all whenever there is audio content in both channels. But when there is something in only one channel, the other channel has distortion in it. Quite often dealing with a 'known helps more than anything, Michael. I've used the "Private Investigations" cut from Dire Strait's "Love over Gold" album a lot. Around the 5:32 mark, a bottle can be heard to break, If it's in the left channel, that's step 1 completed. If it can be heard to break behind the left speaker, that's step 2. If you can tell how many pieces it has broken into, you're at or beyond step 3. I count 7. What tuner would have resolution that good? ;-)) MS From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon May 05 10:20:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 17:20:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 40720 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 17:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 17:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 17:20:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 17:20:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 17:20:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DOH! (OT a little) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00da01c31318$1f51c020$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 732 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.64 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > I know a lot of you guys are gonna laugh, but all I can say is THANKS A LOT!! I try whenever possible to find MP3's that were encoded using the fraunhafer L3ENC method since that's the best one from what I hear. Heck, they INVENTED the MP3 technology. I just wish that someone could come up with a program that could take MP3's that have really bad compression artifacts and fix them so that the swimming and squashing goes away. > > Michael n WYO The bast encoder out there for MP3 is LAME. It was first developed in the UNIX world but has since been ported to windows an a GUI slapped onto it. It is available at http://www.mp3dev.org JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon May 05 10:39:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 17:39:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 1611 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 17:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 17:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 17:39:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 17:39:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 17:39:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e801c3131a$c7641bd0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2749 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.64 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Here are 2 things that may cause this. The exciter is out of adjustment and probably needs to be tweaked and/or the martrix preprocessor is not set or calibrated properly. If the equipment is old enough components can drift and electrolytics can dry out and cause circuit changes. It is important to to have a matrix processor as this is what keeps single channel modulation below 75% to prevent this problem. The most popular ones are the Optimod 9100 and the Amigo AM and I don't know which one you have or if your using one at all. If you don't have one this is probably your problem. Anyone with other suggestions please add them. JSG --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > While we're talking about detection and how everything works and so forth, any simple ideas about why I get some distortion in one channel when there's nothing in it? What I mean is that if there's a song that has wonderful stereo separation......such as a song that starts out with a guitar is just one channel....when that guitar is going on in the one channel, there is some distortion in the "quiet" channel. This is not noticable at all whenever there is audio content in both channels. But when there is something in only one channel, the other channel has distortion in it. This has been a problem since I installed the C-quam exciter here. I realize it may be a problem with the exciter. I know we've discussed "single-channel" modulation and how this can be associated with this problem. And yeah, I do find that if I turn the modulation down.....say to about 40 or 50 percent, then it is fine and when there's content in only one channel, the other channel is completely quiet. But you can't run that low. Not only is it illegal, but that really IS noticable to the common listener. Stereo or mono. It's LOW. So I'd rather modulate at 100% or 110% so that we're as loud as any other AM signal on the dial. Exciter problem? Transmitter problem? Could the signal into the McMartin transmitter coming from the exciter be too hot? That seems like it wouldn't be the case, but I don't know for sure. Any ideas?? I'd like to fix it. It's annoying at times, especially with a "classic country" format and lots of our music having glorious separation. I'd like to have the best separation possible, but find myself cutting down this separation some so that I can keep the distortion to a minimum. JSGilst...any thoughts? > > Michael n WYO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jsgilst > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 10:37 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 05 10:44:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 17:44:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 43558 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 17:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 17:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 17:44:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 17:44:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 17:44:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DOH! (OT a little) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1764 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The bast encoder out there for MP3 is LAME. I used to think that too, but upon closer investigation, Fraunhofer's L3ENC handles some audio at 128 kbps much better than either LAME or Fraunhofer's own "FastEnc" encoder (used in most of their more recent products). In these cases, L3ENC preserves good quality up to 16 kHz, while the other encoders start dropping down to as low as 13 kHz of audio response and have more obvious "artifacts" in the sound. But, there are a lot of songs on which LAME sounds better than anything else -- you really just have to do a lot of trial-and-error experimentation to get the best results, particularly if you're sticking to a fixed bit-rate like 128 kbps. Other formats like MusePack (.MPC) and Ogg Vorbis (.OGG) are more stable, and both always use Variable Bit-Rate, so "challenging" audio will automatically be allocated a higher bit-rate in order to preserve good quality. Ogg Vorbis provides very good results around the 120 to 130 kbps range, while MusePack sounds nearly perfect at around 160 to 180 kbps, with very few songs giving it trouble. Unfortunately, both formats have rather limited support, but for personal use I have had no trouble in installing and using the necessary encoders and WinAmp plug-ins. Finally, in my experience, WMA (Windows Media Audio) is NEVER a good choice. It ALWAYS sounds worse than MP3 at equivalent bit-rates, with a distinctly "metallic" sound that is even more annoying than MP3's "twinkling" and "chattering" effects. RealAudio is the BEST at low bit-rates (less than 96 kbps), and has more "pleasing" artifacts (it just seems to add an overall "haze" or "congestion" to the sound), but that locks you into their own proprietary software. From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon May 05 11:05:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 18:05:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 26430 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 18:05:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 18:05:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 18:05:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 18:05:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:05:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 706 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.190 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > I do try and cultivate a certain "character" with my comments, > > > so you seem to indicate that I have been successful in that. > > > > There -- at least now you're honest about it. You *do* have an > > agenda here -- to purposely start needless and pointless arguments > > by nit-picking minor details whenever you feel that doing so would > > provoke such a result. > > > > In other words, you're a troll. > > The iBiquity Mole Troll! I know what "iBiquity" is, and I know roughly what a "Troll" is, but a "Mole Troll", what is that? John From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 05 11:07:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 18:07:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 26289 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 16:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 16:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 16:45:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 16:45:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 16:45:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e801c3131a$c7641bd0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 705 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > While we're talking about detection and how everything works and so forth, any simple ideas about why I get some distortion in one channel when there's nothing in it? What I mean is that if there's a song that has wonderful stereo separation......such as a song that starts out with a guitar is just one channel....when that guitar is going on in the one channel, there is some distortion in the "quiet" channel. =snip= =snip= Hey, MJR... This is what's called "crosstalk" between the sum and difference channels, and is usually a problem with the receivers, NOT the transmitters, normally. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Mon May 05 11:36:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 18:36:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 17761 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 18:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 18:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 18:36:13 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.61]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:36:13 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:35:27 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Kevin This occurs on any and all radios. I hear it in the studio when I'm on the air. This is on the Motorola C-quam modulation monitor. I hear it on my Sony SRF-42. Also in my car on my Mitsubishi stereo.....which I modified for AM Stereo with one of Chris' decoders. So I know I'm hearing with both the older chips and the newer chips and anyone out there is probably hearing it as well. True, the Motorola Modulation monitor has the older chipset.....it's the original "real mccoy". Meanwhile, I'm running 2 CRL processors. One is their "AM Stereo Matrix" processor, and the other is the "Stereo Preparation Processor". These are also from the 80s and were installed with the original Motorola Modulation Monitor and Motorola C-Quam Exciter (identical to the one on the AMS site). A little background here......this equipment was originally installed at KRPX in Price, UT in 1983. So this is all the original stuff. Last August, one of our owners acquired KRPX and apparantly one of the STL's wasn't working and he decided he didn't care about stereo over there, so he told me that if I wanted to come get it and install it at KEVA I could. So I did. I swapped him for our mono gear that we had here. One of the CRL processors (I think it's the AM Stereo Matrix processor) did have the factory modifications done to it in 1990 by CRL for the new 10khz NRSC limit. This is the equipment I'm using. I must say that the separation is truly wonderful coming out of the processors. They still work beautifully and apparantly using the "matrixing" method, they're doing it the right way. That's why I figured the problem is probably in the exciter somewhere, or maybe not configured quite right. I have an oscilloscope now, so I should be able to calibrate everything like it should be according to specs in the Motorola manual. Michael n Wyo -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:20 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion What receiver are you using when you're hearing this? The kind of distortion you describe is a problem with certain radios, including Sony's AM Stereo decoder [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon May 05 11:40:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 18:40:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 81739 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 18:40:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 18:40:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 18:40:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 18:40:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:39:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1088 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.190 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" > wrote: > > While we're talking about detection and how everything works and so > forth, any simple ideas about why I get some distortion in one > channel when there's nothing in it? What I mean is that if there's a > song that has wonderful stereo separation......such as a song that > starts out with a guitar is just one channel....when that guitar is > going on in the one channel, there is some distortion in the "quiet" > channel. =snip= > > =snip= > > Hey, MJR... This is what's called "crosstalk" between the sum and > difference channels, and is usually a problem with the receivers, > NOT the transmitters, normally. Where is it written that this is not a transmitter problem? Why do you think so many engineers lose their hair trying to get AM stereo to work, and many even go so far as to have nothing to do with it, encouraging many stations to drop the AM stereo system because of the problems? John From michaelj@vcn.com Mon May 05 11:41:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 18:41:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 59133 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 18:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 18:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 18:41:41 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.61]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:41:41 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:40:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL! That's one hell of a tuner Marv! This is why usually when I align things, I just disconnect one of the audio channels completely...then I know that one channel should be ABSOLUTELY dead. Michael n WYO KEVA Country AM Stereo 1240 -----Original Message----- From: Mr.M S [mailto:fanfare@globility.com] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:26 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Quite often dealing with a 'known helps more than anything, Michael. I've used the "Private Investigations" cut from Dire Strait's "Love over Gold" album a lot. Around the 5:32 mark, a bottle can be heard to break, If it's in the left channel, that's step 1 completed. If it can be heard to break behind the left speaker, that's step 2. If you can tell how many pieces it has broken into, you're at or beyond step 3. I count 7. What tuner would have resolution that good? ;-)) MS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Mon May 05 11:48:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 18:48:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 60194 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 18:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 18:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 18:48:31 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.61]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:48:31 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: DOH! (OT a little) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:47:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree how good the mouspack and ogg vorbis formats sound Kevin. Unfortunately, right now MP3 is the most widely-used format. And when you're searching for rare classic-country cuts that are hard to find, you take what you can get. I guess if I had a huge CD library that I wanted to digitize onto my computer, then yeah...I could use OGG and make sure it sounds great and everything is faithful with no artifacts. Then again, how many OGG CD players are there? How many portable OGG players are there? I agree with you, though, that I used to be a dead-set 128KB person. HAD to be at least 128KB fixed. VBR files seem to sound better because they can open up the bandwidth if they need to, to reproduce properly. So when I encode my own, I've been using VBR instead of CBR. At least I know that I can look for "lame" or "fraunhofer" and know that it's probably gonna be okay, or worth the download to check it out anyway. What about RealJukebox? I see that one a lot out there. (can ya tell I use Kazaa a lot?) There's a lot of them that say "made with Real Jukebox". They seem to be kinda flakey. Some are okay, others you can definitely hear the compression. Especially if the song has a quiet part or a very low beginning. You can hear the "swishing in the silence". Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:44 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: DOH! (OT a little) you really just have to do a lot of trial-and-error experimentation to get the best results, particularly if you're sticking to a fixed bit-rate like 128 kbps. Other formats like MusePack (.MPC) and Ogg Vorbis (.OGG) are more stable [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon May 05 12:04:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 19:04:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 77134 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 18:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 18:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 18:08:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 18:08:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:08:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e801c3131a$c7641bd0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2563 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.190 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Hi Michael, Are you hearing this distorted crosstalk in your modulation monitor, or just in a AM stereo receiver? If you are hearing it on the modulation monitor, how many dB down from 100% modulation is it? Are you sure the AM stereo exciter was correctly installed, there are a lot of issues to deal with there? Are you sure your McMartin transmitter can even do any better than this? Do you know that the RF stages have adequate phase amplitude response to properly pass the phase modulation component of the AM stereo signal, and is the McMartin's AM modulator sufficiently transparent to provide the kind of stereo separation you are looking for? Maybe a new transmitter is in order? John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" < michaelj@v...> wrote: > While we're talking about detection and how everything works and so forth, any simple ideas about why I get some distortion in one channel when there's nothing in it? What I mean is that if there's a song that has wonderful stereo separation......such as a song that starts out with a guitar is just one channel....when that guitar is going on in the one channel, there is some distortion in the "quiet" channel. This is not noticable at all whenever there is audio content in both channels. But when there is something in only one channel, the other channel has distortion in it. This has been a problem since I installed the C-quam exciter here. I realize it may be a problem with the exciter. I know we've discussed "single-channel" modulation and how this can be associated with this problem. And yeah, I do find that if I turn the modulation down.....say to about 40 or 50 percent, then it is fine and when there's content in only one channel, the other channel is completely quiet. But you can't run that low. Not only is it illegal, but that really IS noticable to the common listener. Stereo or mono. It's LOW. So I'd rather modulate at 100% or 110% so that we're as loud as any other AM signal on the dial. Exciter problem? Transmitter problem? Could the signal into the McMartin transmitter coming from the exciter be too hot? That seems like it wouldn't be the case, but I don't know for sure. Any ideas?? I'd like to fix it. It's annoying at times, especially with a "classic country" format and lots of our music having glorious separation. I'd like to have the best separation possible, but find myself cutting down this separation some so that I can keep the distortion to a minimum. JSGilst...any thoughts? > > Michael n WYO From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 05 12:15:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 19:15:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 57341 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 17:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 17:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 17:37:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 17:37:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 17:37:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: single-channel distortion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1526 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > any simple ideas about why I get some distortion in one channel > > when there's nothing in it? What I mean is that if there's a song > > that has wonderful stereo separation......such as a song that > > starts out with a guitar is just one channel....when that guitar is > > going on in the one channel, there is some distortion in the > > "quiet" channel. > > What receiver are you using when you're hearing this? The kind of > distortion you describe is a problem with certain radios, including > Sony's AM Stereo decoder (which actually wasn't designed for the > C-Quam system), such as found in the SRF-42, as well as some of the > early AM Stereo decoders from Motorola, such as the MC13020, commonly > used in 1980s radios. Yes, this is a problem with receiver design, particularly in the accurate demodulation and isolation of the I and Q signals. > Basically, the greater the amount of Stereo separation in the audio, > with single-channel audio being the maximum, the more that the > receiver needs to apply "cosine correction" in order to properly > decode the audio without extra distortion. =snip= Cosine correction is the principle functrion of realigning the Q with the I, since the Q is the cosine of I's sine signal. It's really a greatly simplified dephasing scheme that acts as the opposite of the quadrature phasor in a quadrature modulation scheme, such as for quadrature-phased ISB. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From droach@direct.ca Mon May 05 12:17:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: droach@direct.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 19:17:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 12976 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 18:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 18:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.221) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 18:20:42 -0000 Received: from dan.direct.ca ([64.180.122.175]) by priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030505182042.OAQG1575.priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net@dan.direct.ca> for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:20:42 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20030505112339.02a61a00@mail.direct.ca> X-Sender: droach@direct.ca@mail.direct.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 11:27:08 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? In-Reply-To: References: <00e801c3131a$c7641bd0$5401010a@AM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Dan Roach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=75892843 X-Yahoo-Profile: rastadudeca You wish. Actually, the transmission adjustments are many and delicate, and a very small error in L+R vs L+R(I) will cause this problem. It is not crosstalk in the normal sense, since L-R(Q) is not involved. It is a gain error caused by incorrect tracking between the two L+R channels. And unfortunately, it easy to cause on the transmitter end... D >Hey, MJR... This is what's called "crosstalk" between the sum and >difference channels, and is usually a problem with the receivers, NOT >the transmitters, normally. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Dan Roach S.W.Davis Broadcast Technical Services 200-1543 Venables St Vancouver, BC V5L 2G8 Tel 604 255 2200 Fax 604 255 4083 droach@direct.ca From michaelj@vcn.com Mon May 05 12:17:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 19:17:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 64923 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 19:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 19:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 19:17:08 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.61]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:17:08 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:16:21 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks John You're right on a lot of aspects. I'm kinda moving by the seat of my pants here. I'm NOT an engineer. I know a lot about a lot of this stuff, but technically I'm NOT an engineer. I had help from some engineers installing the gear, including Bob Carter (he's no longer on this list, but he was at the time) in North Carolina, who has the EXACT McMartin BA-1K transmitter that I have. So he told me exactly how and what to do. The distortion is on the modulation monitor and every and all radios that I listen to. Looking at the modulation monitor, I don't know how many DBs down it would be. I can tell ya that the meter on the channel with the content would be peaking about 40 or 45% and the other meter will show 15 or 20% on the meter, depending on what the content of the other channel is. The more content on the single channel, the more distortion on the quiet channel. Whether the exciter is installed properly, I'm assuming it is because it works. No, I didn't own a scope at the time and couldn't perform all of the proper measurements according to the Motorola manual. I know I know.....that's not cool. But this was my project. I didn't charge the station any money to do this because mangement could care less about stereo. Just a labor of love for me. I was hoping for the best...I knew it was working when it was removed from service at the other station, and I was hoping it would work for me. And it did. Well...for the most part. Like I said, as for the transmitter end, I know it should work. I've heard stations in stereo that I know for a fact have the same McMartin BA-1K transmitter, and like I said, Bob has the same transmitter for his backup and he told me exactly what to do...right down the putting in a resistor to attenuate the level coming from the exciter into the transmitter so that it wouldn't be too hot a level for the McMartin. Right down to the value of the resistor! As you've probably read by the time you'll see this message, I seemed to have had some luck calibrating levels into and out of the exciter this morning. I know it certainly sounds better. Haven't had a chance to check the separation problem but I'll do it later today or tomorrow. Thanks for your help! Michael -----Original Message----- From: bta_50g [mailto:jbyrns@rcn.com] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:08 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Hi Michael, Are you hearing this distorted crosstalk in your modulation monitor, or just in a AM stereo receiver? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon May 05 12:39:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 19:39:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 20146 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 18:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 18:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 18:03:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 18:03:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:03:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "IBOC John" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1448 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.190 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > I do try and cultivate a certain "character" with my comments, > > > so you seem to indicate that I have been successful in that. > > > > There -- at least now you're honest about it. You *do* have an > > agenda here -- to purposely start needless and pointless arguments > > by nit-picking minor details whenever you feel that doing so would > > provoke such a result. > > > > In other words, you're a troll. > > I think that he thinks this is the acceptable behavior, since he did > come in from UseNet, where such berhavior is ubiquitous. :/ I have been in the Yahoo Clubs/Groups since the previous millennium, when I used the handle "ground_wave". With respect to the "UseNet", I suspect a majority of the people here have probably "come in from UseNet". I think the difference between Yahoo Groups and UseNet is that UseNet is an open forum that allows all sides of an issue to be aired, however unpopular they may be, while Yahoo Groups because of its very nature tends toward censorship, either subtle, or not so subtle. Troll is a word that is often misused to characterize someone that doesn't agree with you. I think Kevin is just having trouble accepting the fact that there are people in the world that don't feel the same as he does about IBOC. John From michaelj@vcn.com Mon May 05 12:45:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 19:45:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 6688 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 18:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 18:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 18:54:21 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.61]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:54:21 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:53:36 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I LOVE IT and I AIN'T dropping it. I WILL figure this one out! Even WITH the crosstalk, it's still sound wonderful 95% of the time. It's not like ya have a whole song that has one channel quiet for the whole thing. Most songs, even if it's just a guitar riff or something, obviously the other channel will kick in with something. Kevin T can testify to this one....we discussed it a while back.....I think the song with the longest "single channel" content that I've ever heard is probably "Year Of The Cat" by Al Stewart. On the album version (long version) the piano solo at the beginning is like 34 seconds long and it's only in one channel. Cool stuff :) (counting the remaining hairs on my head).... Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: bta_50g [mailto:jbyrns@rcn.com] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:40 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Why do you think so many engineers lose their hair trying to get AM stereo to work, and many even go so far as to have nothing to do with it, encouraging many stations to drop the AM stereo system because of the problems? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Mon May 05 12:50:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 19:50:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 96020 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 18:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 18:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 18:38:37 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.61]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:38:37 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:37:51 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030505101056.02a60ec0@mail.direct.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Dan! That makes a lot of sense. From what I can see and tell, I had been using the exciter more-or-less in almost "transparent" mode. The needles on the front were barely moving. Today I tweaked around a little bit (just playing around for the heck of it) and discovered that the exciter probably WANTS more uumph from the processing. I had been adjusting the L+R modulation using the modulation monitor and actually turning the output of the CRL processor up or down. Apparantly (and please tell me if I'm correct here) I should adjust the level of the CRL processor out so that the meters on the exciter are showing average levels then leave it. THEN if I need to adjust the L+R level going into the transmitter, use the "L+R" pot on the front of the exciter. Then that way there is a nice level going into the exciter, and it's also a lot more able to process the audio with its own internal processing that is built-in, rather than having to try to process such a very low level, and taking that and amplifying it way up to feed the transmitter. This could also explain the level of background hiss that I've had in the signal since I put it in. Probably noise from the amp inside of the exciter being turned up so high. Make sense? Will have to get my scope over there and check it out. After changing the level into the exciter and backing down the L+R level on the front of the exciter, I was going to disconnect one channel from the audio chain and see if the distortion was still there. Unfortunately, I didn't get that far. I ran out of time. Usually when I adjust the levels, I use my Sony SRF-42 walkman and adjust the L-R pot on the processor for maximum separation by disconnecting one of the audio channels and adjusting until the other channel is completely quiet, maximizing separation. Too much or too little L-R leads to channel blending. Will keep ya posted. Thanks again for the comments! Michael n Wyo KEVA Country AM Stereo 1240 -----Original Message----- From: Dan Roach [mailto:droach@direct.ca] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:23 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion 1) The transmission problem described can very likely be traced to an L+R gain problem. The C-QUAM exciter generates two L+R signals, one on the I carrier and one audio output to the transmitter. The I carrier is fixed inside the unit, and the audio output is trimmed in level to match it by modulating the transmitter and watching the output on a scope and mod monitor. Phase and modulation level must be matched exactly. Carrier shift in the transmitter will add an error term that could also account for the idle channel distortion. For real distortion try reversing the phase of the audio into the transmitter! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From droach@direct.ca Mon May 05 13:04:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: droach@direct.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 20:04:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 53028 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 20:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 20:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 20:04:40 -0000 Received: from dan.direct.ca ([64.180.122.175]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030505200439.EJPL4735.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@dan.direct.ca> for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 14:04:39 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20030505130123.02a64d90@mail.direct.ca> X-Sender: droach@direct.ca@mail.direct.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 13:11:05 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030505101056.02a60ec0@mail.direct.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Dan Roach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=75892843 X-Yahoo-Profile: rastadudeca The correct procedure for L+R gain setting is: run the sample TX output of the exciter into the CQuam mod monitor. Apply tone to the exciter (both channels, say 1kHz) until the mod monitor reads, say 75% exactly. Disconnect the mod monitor from the exciter sample TX output, and connect to the sample from the main transmitter. Turn on the main transmitter, and adjust the L+R level on the exciter until the L+R mod level is also exactly 75%. You also need to look at the mod envelope from both sample and main tx on a scope to make sure they are in phase with one another. Now that you've done that, cover up the exciter L+R control and never adjust it again (unless you mess with pads between the exciter and main transmitter). If you want to adjust modulation, use the processor controls. The exciter L+R control is used to align the L+R and L+R(I) channels. It should never be adjusted to touch up modulation. Once set, you shouldn't need to mess with it again. To recap, the L+R and L+R(I) channels need to be trimmed to identical levels. You don't have access to L+R(I) gain--it's inside the exciter (where it's safe). You adjust the L+R gain as above, then don't need to touch it any more. But be careful of phase. There's a scope picture inside the exciter manual somewhere. You might be amused to know that a quick way of setting L+R gain in an emergency is to punch a tone into left channel only, and adjust L+R control for minimum residual in R channel. Ahem! D At 12:37 PM 5/5/03 -0600, you wrote: >Thanks Dan! That makes a lot of sense. From what I can see and tell, I had >been using the exciter more-or-less in almost "transparent" mode. The >needles on the front were barely moving. Today I tweaked around a little >bit (just playing around for the heck of it) and discovered that the exciter >probably WANTS more uumph from the processing. I had been adjusting the L+R >modulation using the modulation monitor and actually turning the output of >the CRL processor up or down. Apparantly (and please tell me if I'm correct >here) I should adjust the level of the CRL processor out so that the meters >on the exciter are showing average levels then leave it. THEN if I need to >adjust the L+R level going into the transmitter, use the "L+R" pot on the >front of the exciter. Then that way there is a nice level going into the >exciter, and it's also a lot more able to process the audio with its own >internal processing that is built-in, rather than having to try to process >such a very low level, and taking that and amplifying it way up to feed the >transmitter. This could also explain the level of background hiss that I've >had in the signal since I put it in. Probably noise from the amp inside of >the exciter being turned up so high. >Make sense? >Will have to get my scope over there and check it out. After changing the >level into the exciter and backing down the L+R level on the front of the >exciter, I was going to disconnect one channel from the audio chain and see >if the distortion was still there. Unfortunately, I didn't get that far. I >ran out of time. Usually when I adjust the levels, I use my Sony SRF-42 >walkman and adjust the L-R pot on the processor for maximum separation by >disconnecting one of the audio channels and adjusting until the other >channel is completely quiet, maximizing separation. Too much or too little >L-R leads to channel blending. > >Will keep ya posted. Thanks again for the comments! > >Michael n Wyo >KEVA Country AM Stereo 1240 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Roach [mailto:droach@direct.ca] > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:23 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion > > > 1) The transmission problem described can very likely be traced to > an L+R gain problem. The C-QUAM exciter generates two L+R > signals, one on the I carrier and one audio output to the transmitter. > The I carrier is fixed inside the unit, and the audio output is trimmed > in level to match it by modulating the transmitter and watching the > output on a scope and mod monitor. Phase and modulation level > must be matched exactly. Carrier shift in the transmitter will add > an error term that could also account for the idle channel distortion. > For real distortion try reversing the phase of the audio into the > transmitter! > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Dan Roach S.W.Davis Broadcast Technical Services 200-1543 Venables St Vancouver, BC V5L 2G8 Tel 604 255 2200 Fax 604 255 4083 droach@direct.ca From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 05 14:16:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 21:16:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 7095 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 21:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 21:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 21:04:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 21:04:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 21:04:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 558 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" > > wrote: =snip= > Where is it written that this is not a transmitter problem? I accept that I'm wrong in this issue. (And no, I never said it might not be the transmitter- I usually assume transmitter alignment is sufficient enough where this shouldn't be a problem, at least as heard on a mod monitor.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Mon May 05 15:24:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 22:24:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 52303 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 22:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 22:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 22:24:00 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.61]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:23:59 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:23:12 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030505130123.02a64d90@mail.direct.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks so much Dan! Got it! I will try that. I was just up there and doing a little aligning. I did make one important discovery. Apparantly, the exciter does indeed have its own internal L+R, but also has its own L-R setting as well. I guess I was under the perception that the L+R and L-R controls on the front of the processor controlled them totally. Apparantly not so. What I did was disconnect one channel from the back of the exciter. That means NO L-R componant coming from the processing because there's only one channel coming from the processor connected. Well gues what? On my walkman, it STILL appeared only in one side. It was wierd because I was sure with only one channel of audio going into the exciter, it'd be basically mono because there was no L-R information coming from the processing. Apparantly the exciter has its own L-R as well as L+R and it's calibrated already.....almost to the point where you could connect left and right audio coming from....hell...a CD PLAYER.....directly to the back of the exciter and you'd still have stereo. So now I see that the L+R and L-R on the front of the CRL AM Stereo Matrix processor only ADD TO the existing L+R and L-R that the exciter is already generating. Man, I love this stuff and it's STILL a learning process! Welp, now I know! I'm a perfectionist and a stickler, so I will probably connect up my scope and do the settings the right way. I will keep this email handy and not delete it. Thanks again for all your help Dan. Sounds like you know your C-quam. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Dan Roach [mailto:droach@direct.ca] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:11 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion The correct procedure for L+R gain setting is: run the sample TX output of the exciter into the CQuam mod monitor. Apply tone to the exciter (both channels, say 1kHz) until the mod monitor reads, say 75% exactly. Disconnect the mod monitor from the exciter sample TX output, and connect to the sample from the main transmitter. Turn on the main transmitter, and adjust the L+R level on the exciter until the L+R mod level is also exactly 75%. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Mon May 05 15:37:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 22:37:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 90588 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 22:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 22:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 22:28:12 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.61]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:28:11 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:27:25 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with ya Amy. That's why I know if everything's perfect on my modulation monitor, then it must be something in the radio. In this case it was happening on the radios AND the modulation monitor. Will get this all sorted out. I'm just glad I got all the responses. Seems like I asked about this once or twice since I did it last August and just couldn't seem to get any response. I remember Chuck Simpson (is he still around?) responded with "we'll get ya all fixed....start be getting your oscilloscope out...." and well.....I didn't have a scope at the time. Got one now, though. Thanks again to everyone....John...Dan...and JSGilstrap for all the help. Will keep all posted on the situation and then....well....I guess I'll just have to post some more air checks :) Michael n WYO I accept that I'm wrong in this issue. (And no, I never said it might not be the transmitter- I usually assume transmitter alignment is sufficient enough where this shouldn't be a problem, at least as heard on a mod monitor.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon May 05 15:45:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 22:45:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 15634 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 22:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 22:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 22:36:51 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4089D233D42 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A34C1A00A4 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030505182149.02b8cec0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:36:27 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Spin 'round the AM dial on Crisler Town And Country Limited Special Addition 2001 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, decided to check out the AM Stereo situation around here. Initial first impressions on music styles that I have never heard before... WTTM Excellent Stereo Separation, (Different type of music, I thought it interesting.) along with 990 WZZD (I didn't even know that Christian station was in AM Stereo!) They also had excellent Stereo separation. This stereo separation thing beats all FM's I've heard. Second thing I've noticed less bass on AM then FM, what is the frequency response of AM VS FM on this unit? Third thing I found most odd indeed that WTTM didn't come in on the scan thinggy, but when manually tuning 'round the dial, came in perfect stereo. (I wish dad would leave me alone in the car more often as he goes in the drug store.) WBCB is AM Stereo to, yes? If so, they were blabbering and I wanted music to check something out on. WPHT wasn't doing Frankky baby, as it was six o'clock tonight and Michael McConnish was on. Next time we should be at Cornwells drug store for a longer period! I also checked out the WOR situation. IBOC sounded like white noise on either side of 710. Am I not close enough to WOR? Do they not run IBOC that late at night? I was kinda trying to scan the dial as quickly as possible as I didn't know when dad would be coming out, so didn't check 690 or 730. Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon May 05 15:47:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 22:47:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 58115 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 22:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 22:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 22:47:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 22:47:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 22:47:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 586 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.236 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > Where is it written that this is not a transmitter problem? Why do > you think so many engineers lose their hair trying to get AM stereo to > work, and many even go so far as to have nothing to do with it, > encouraging many stations to drop the AM stereo system because of the > problems? > > John IBOC has much greater requirements for phase linearity and flat amplitude response out to 15KHz so I expect a lot more hair will be lost. If the IBOC engineers aren't bald yet the soon will be ;-) JSG From groucho@skyweb.net Mon May 05 15:56:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 22:56:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 80422 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 22:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 22:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 22:56:04 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-66.skyweb.net [66.6.130.194]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h45MvVFR052913 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 18:57:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3EB6EBBF.EFF46FBE@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:54:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Spin 'round the AM dial on Crisler Town And Country LimitedSpecial Addition 2001 References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030505182149.02b8cec0@pop.GameBox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 John where are you located???? My doors are always open for a tour of Both the studios and transmitter facilities or you can take a peek at the facilities at my website http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/wttm Neal Newman Chief Engineer-WTTM,WYGG,WUPC,W220AA John wrote: > Yep, decided to check out the AM Stereo situation around here. > Initial first impressions on music styles that I have never heard before... > WTTM Excellent Stereo Separation, (Different type of music, I thought it interesting.) > along with 990 WZZD (I didn't even know that Christian station was in AM Stereo!) They also had excellent Stereo separation. > This stereo separation thing beats all FM's I've heard. > > Second thing I've noticed less bass on AM then FM, what is the frequency response of AM VS FM on this unit? > Third thing I found most odd indeed that WTTM didn't come in on the scan thinggy, but when manually tuning 'round the dial, came in perfect stereo. > (I wish dad would leave me alone in the car more often as he goes in the drug store.) > WBCB is AM Stereo to, yes? If so, they were blabbering and I wanted music to check something out on. > WPHT wasn't doing Frankky baby, as it was six o'clock tonight and Michael McConnish was on. > Next time we should be at Cornwells drug store for a longer period! > I also checked out the WOR situation. > IBOC sounded like white noise on either side of 710. > Am I not close enough to WOR? Do they not run IBOC that late at night? > I was kinda trying to scan the dial as quickly as possible as I didn't know when dad would be coming out, so didn't check 690 or 730. > > > > Love in Christ: > > John > > Bensalem, PA > > Send me an email > > Aim: RainAngelsRule > > MSN: > > RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com > > My website > > Welcome to Napster4TheBlind > > "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon May 05 16:03:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 23:03:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 23495 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 23:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 23:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 23:03:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 23:03:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 23:03:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: DOH! (OT a little) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2678 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.236 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst When I first started listening to MP3s 128kbps sounded OK but I soon settled for a minimum of 192kbps and would only use a 160kbps if it wasn't available at 192kbps. For my own CDs I have lame tweaked for VBR at an average of 192kbps to 256kbps depending on program material and in most cases it is near CD quality. What I do notice is that since MP3 is a lossy process that the background reverberation sounds a bit hollow even at the high bitrate used but I don't notice much distortion if any. MP3 is the most widely used standard and even though other formats produce superior results I have settled on it until the better standard becomes widely used. I got my encoder tweaked to produce very satisfactory results. JSG --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > I agree how good the mouspack and ogg vorbis formats sound Kevin. > Unfortunately, right now MP3 is the most widely-used format. And when > you're searching for rare classic-country cuts that are hard to find, you > take what you can get. I guess if I had a huge CD library that I wanted to > digitize onto my computer, then yeah...I could use OGG and make sure it > sounds great and everything is faithful with no artifacts. Then again, how > many OGG CD players are there? How many portable OGG players are there? > I agree with you, though, that I used to be a dead-set 128KB person. HAD to > be at least 128KB fixed. VBR files seem to sound better because they can > open up the bandwidth if they need to, to reproduce properly. So when I > encode my own, I've been using VBR instead of CBR. At least I know that I > can look for "lame" or "fraunhofer" and know that it's probably gonna be > okay, or worth the download to check it out anyway. What about RealJukebox? > I see that one a lot out there. (can ya tell I use Kazaa a lot?) There's a > lot of them that say "made with Real Jukebox". They seem to be kinda > flakey. Some are okay, others you can definitely hear the compression. > Especially if the song has a quiet part or a very low beginning. You can > hear the "swishing in the silence". > > Michael n WYO > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@y...] > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:44 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: DOH! (OT a little) > > > you really just have to do a lot of trial-and-error > experimentation to get the best results, particularly if you're > sticking to a fixed bit-rate like 128 kbps. > > > Other formats like MusePack (.MPC) and Ogg Vorbis (.OGG) are more > stable > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Mon May 05 16:04:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 23:04:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 94038 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 23:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 23:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 23:04:05 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.61]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:04:04 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Spin 'round the AM dial on Crisler Town And Country LimitedSpecial Addition 2001 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:03:15 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3EB6EBBF.EFF46FBE@skyweb.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Neal Didn't realize y'all were using a Radio Systems board. That one is identical to the one we have in our FM that I installed. That is one SWEET board! We LOVE ours. The boss picked one up for us about 2 or 3 years ago. It was so damn easy to hook up to/from and configure. I love it and I'd recommend one to anyone as far as when it comes to ease of use and hookup. Nice studios....definitely adequate. I think all you guys would flip if ya saw ours! 2 little teeny tiny rooms. The whole station is a double-wide trailer. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Neal Newman [mailto:groucho@skyweb.net] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:55 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Spin 'round the AM dial on Crisler Town And Country LimitedSpecial Addition 2001 John where are you located???? My doors are always open for a tour of Both the studios and transmitter facilities or you can take a peek at the facilities at my website http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/wttm Neal Newman Chief Engineer-WTTM,WYGG,WUPC,W220AA John wrote: > Yep, decided to check out the AM Stereo situation around here. > Initial first impressions on music styles that I have never heard before... > WTTM Excellent Stereo Separation, (Different type of music, I thought it interesting.) > along with 990 WZZD (I didn't even know that Christian station was in AM Stereo!) They also had excellent Stereo separation. > This stereo separation thing beats all FM's I've heard. > > Second thing I've noticed less bass on AM then FM, what is the frequency response of AM VS FM on this unit? > Third thing I found most odd indeed that WTTM didn't come in on the scan thinggy, but when manually tuning 'round the dial, came in perfect stereo. > (I wish dad would leave me alone in the car more often as he goes in the drug store.) > WBCB is AM Stereo to, yes? If so, they were blabbering and I wanted music to check something out on. > WPHT wasn't doing Frankky baby, as it was six o'clock tonight and Michael McConnish was on. > Next time we should be at Cornwells drug store for a longer period! > I also checked out the WOR situation. > IBOC sounded like white noise on either side of 710. > Am I not close enough to WOR? Do they not run IBOC that late at night? > I was kinda trying to scan the dial as quickly as possible as I didn't know when dad would be coming out, so didn't check 690 or 730. > > > > Love in Christ: > > John > > Bensalem, PA > > Send me an email > > Aim: RainAngelsRule > > MSN: > > RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com > > My website > > Welcome to Napster4TheBlind > > "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon May 05 16:08:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 23:08:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 37364 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 23:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 23:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 23:08:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2003 23:07:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 23:07:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1043 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.236 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > Hi Michael, > > Are you hearing this distorted crosstalk in your modulation monitor, > or just in a AM stereo receiver? If you are hearing it on the > modulation monitor, how many dB down from 100% modulation is it? Are > you sure the AM stereo exciter was correctly installed, there are a > lot of issues to deal with there? Are you sure your McMartin > transmitter can even do any better than this? Do you know that the RF > stages have adequate phase amplitude response to properly pass the > phase modulation component of the AM stereo signal, and is the > McMartin's AM modulator sufficiently transparent to provide the kind > of stereo separation you are looking for? Maybe a new transmitter is > in order? > > John That is one thing to think about. If the exciter has a composite out that can be sent directly to the modulation monitor or the other AMS radios this would be a good way of eliminating any issues prior to the transmitter. JSG From groucho@skyweb.net Mon May 05 16:24:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 23:24:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 55100 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 23:22:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 23:22:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 23:22:48 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-66.skyweb.net [66.6.130.194]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h45NOFFR063999 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 19:24:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3EB6F200.D0284775@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 19:21:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Spin 'round the AM dial on Crisler Town And Country LimitedSpecial Addition 2001 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Yeah Michael I love Radio systems consoles. first off the factory is only 1 hour from where I live so I drive down to personally pick up Gear from them. If you Check out my NEW Y107 Pics Link... I do freelance work for Nassau broadcasting. My close Friend Mick is Nassaus CE.. They hire me to do wiring.. Check Out the New facilities we just Finished building for them last month... I still have some work to do over at WVPO and WYNS. "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Hey Neal > Didn't realize y'all were using a Radio Systems board. That one is > identical to the one we have in our FM that I installed. That is one SWEET > board! We LOVE ours. The boss picked one up for us about 2 or 3 years ago. > It was so damn easy to hook up to/from and configure. I love it and I'd > recommend one to anyone as far as when it comes to ease of use and hookup. > > Nice studios....definitely adequate. I think all you guys would flip if ya > saw ours! 2 little teeny tiny rooms. The whole station is a double-wide > trailer. > > Michael n WYO > > -----Original Message----- > From: Neal Newman [mailto:groucho@skyweb.net] > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:55 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Spin 'round the AM dial on Crisler Town And Country > LimitedSpecial Addition 2001 > > John where are you located???? > My doors are always open for a tour of Both the studios and transmitter > facilities > or you can take a peek at the facilities at my website > http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/wttm > Neal Newman > Chief Engineer-WTTM,WYGG,WUPC,W220AA > > John wrote: > > > Yep, decided to check out the AM Stereo situation around here. > > Initial first impressions on music styles that I have never heard > before... > > WTTM Excellent Stereo Separation, (Different type of music, I thought it > interesting.) > > along with 990 WZZD (I didn't even know that Christian station was in AM > Stereo!) They also had excellent Stereo separation. > > This stereo separation thing beats all FM's I've heard. > > > > Second thing I've noticed less bass on AM then FM, what is the frequency > response of AM VS FM on this unit? > > Third thing I found most odd indeed that WTTM didn't come in on the > scan thinggy, but when manually tuning 'round the dial, came in perfect > stereo. > > (I wish dad would leave me alone in the car more often as he goes in the > drug store.) > > WBCB is AM Stereo to, yes? If so, they were blabbering and I wanted > music to check something out on. > > WPHT wasn't doing Frankky baby, as it was six o'clock tonight and > Michael McConnish was on. > > Next time we should be at Cornwells drug store for a longer period! > > I also checked out the WOR situation. > > IBOC sounded like white noise on either side of 710. > > Am I not close enough to WOR? Do they not run IBOC that late at night? > > I was kinda trying to scan the dial as quickly as possible as I didn't > know when dad would be coming out, so didn't check 690 or 730. > > > > > > > > Love in Christ: > > > > John > > > > Bensalem, PA > > > > Send me an email > > > > Aim: RainAngelsRule > > > > MSN: > > > > RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com > > > > My website > > > > Welcome to > Napster4TheBlind > > > > "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 05 17:32:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 00:32:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 35142 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 00:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 00:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 00:32:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 00:32:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 00:32:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Spin 'round the AM dial on Crisler Town And Country Limited Special Addition 2001 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030505182149.02b8cec0@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1985 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John wrote: > Yep, decided to check out the AM Stereo situation around here. > Initial first impressions on music styles that I have never heard before... My own tastes are...eclectic. :) (Or "esoteric", if you mu8st. ;) ) > WTTM Excellent Stereo Separation, (Different type of music, I thought it interesting.) That's Neal's station, playing Bollywood/"Asian" music from India, largely. I don't think there's another AMS Indian station in the country-- And being that I'm on the west coast, nothing I'll ever hear, unless I got someone in the NYC/NJ area to record it for me. :) (Just how eclectic is my taste? Rock & Roll/R&B/Soul/classic rock/disco/top-40 oldies from the '50s to 1985, roughly (and yes, some more recent stuff, too); classical, some jazz (especially '20s/'30s), reggae, ska, middle-eastern, south-east asian, Indian, Indonesian, Okinawan, native-American pow-wow music in nthe style of popular songs (or more accurately, vice-versa), experimental electronic music, Mongolian/Tuvan throat singing, and the sounds of outer space. (Yes, I know there's a vacuum, thus no sound, but it's not an electromagnetic vacuum out there. :) ) Is THAT eclectic enough? ;) ) > along with 990 WZZD (I didn't even know that Christian station was in AM Stereo!) They also had excellent Stereo separation. > This stereo separation thing beats all FM's I've heard. I believe this is one of the Crawford stations- Mostly Christian, almost always AM stereo, and of high quality. > Second thing I've noticed less bass on AM then FM, what is the frequency response of AM VS FM on this unit? AM should be about 50Hz to 10+ kHz, most likely your's is out to about 7kHz. > Third thing I found most odd indeed that WTTM didn't come in on the scan thinggy, but when manually tuning 'round the dial, came in perfect stereo. Car radios are always funny that way. Don't know why, either. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 05 17:44:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 00:44:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 80318 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 00:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 00:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 00:44:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 00:44:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 00:44:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Spin 'round the AM dial on Crisler Town And Country Limited Special Addition 2001 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030505182149.02b8cec0@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1650 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > along with 990 WZZD (I didn't even know that Christian station was > in AM Stereo!) They also had excellent Stereo separation. Are you sure you weren't hearing 990 from Rochester, NY, a Crawford- owned AM Stereo station? 990 WZZD in Philly is mono and has been for years. > Second thing I've noticed less bass on AM then FM, what is the > frequency response of AM VS FM on this unit? The Chrysler AMAX radios do have a bit less bass response on AM than FM, but if you tweak up the graphic equalizer on the low end, you can make up for the difference, and if you have the Infinity speaker system, you can get very good deep bass, even on AM. > WBCB is AM Stereo to, yes? If so, they were blabbering and I wanted music to check something out on. 1490 WBCB supposedly is AM Stereo, but at my distant location I've never been able to get a consistent Stereo pilot from them. > IBOC sounded like white noise on either side of 710. > Am I not close enough to WOR? Do they not run IBOC that late at > night? Sunset time for May in NYC is 8:00 PM EST, and this is when 710 WOR shuts off their IBOC and switches to 6 kHz mono audio. They may still be experimenting with the different IBOC modes -- I noticed the "hash" sounded a bit different today than in previous weeks. However, WOR's 5 kHz analog audio with the IBOC on remains truly *horrible* -- it is totally ruined by horrendous "ringing" distortion on any kind of sibilant. It's especially obvious when somebody pronounces the letter "F", since this vocal sound produces almost pure white noise of 4.5 kHz and up, and this drives WOR's 5 kHz "brick wall" filter nuts! From droach@direct.ca Mon May 05 17:51:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: droach@direct.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 00:51:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 80481 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 00:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 00:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes44.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.224) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 00:50:58 -0000 Received: from dan.direct.ca ([64.180.122.175]) by priv-edtnes44.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030506005057.XIKK3906.priv-edtnes44.telusplanet.net@dan.direct.ca> for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 18:50:57 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20030505175209.02a7d920@mail.direct.ca> X-Sender: droach@direct.ca@mail.direct.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 17:57:24 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030505130123.02a64d90@mail.direct.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Dan Roach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=75892843 X-Yahoo-Profile: rastadudeca Disconnect one channel from the exciter input and you do not have mono, you have one channel only--a severe condition in C-QUAM. This is why the output control of the CRL matrix processor has a left only position. You switch to left only to check matrix balance in the CRL and the exciter, and to set the single channel limiter in the CRL (with the help of the cquam mod monitor) so that "illegal" combinations are not possible. Confusing CRL point#1: The L+R control is used to control drive level into the exciter. The L-R control is a matrix balance control, and turning it up does not increase separation! Confusing CRL point#2: most of the time when they use the word "limiting," they mean "clipping." Except with their studio FM processors. Sometimes. PS: They never use the word "clipping." at CRL. Carry on, and good luck! D At 04:23 PM 5/5/03 -0600, you wrote: >Thanks so much Dan! Got it! >I will try that. I was just up there and doing a little aligning. I did >make one important discovery. Apparantly, the exciter does indeed have its >own internal L+R, but also has its own L-R setting as well. I guess I was >under the perception that the L+R and L-R controls on the front of the >processor controlled them totally. Apparantly not so. What I did was >disconnect one channel from the back of the exciter. That means NO L-R >componant coming from the processing because there's only one channel coming >from the processor connected. Well gues what? On my walkman, it STILL >appeared only in one side. It was wierd because I was sure with only one >channel of audio going into the exciter, it'd be basically mono because >there was no L-R information coming from the processing. Apparantly the >exciter has its own L-R as well as L+R and it's calibrated >already.....almost to the point where you could connect left and right audio >coming from....hell...a CD PLAYER.....directly to the back of the exciter >and you'd still have stereo. So now I see that the L+R and L-R on the front >of the CRL AM Stereo Matrix processor only ADD TO the existing L+R and L-R >that the exciter is already generating. >Man, I love this stuff and it's STILL a learning process! Welp, now I >know! > >I'm a perfectionist and a stickler, so I will probably connect up my scope >and do the settings the right way. I will keep this email handy and not >delete it. >Thanks again for all your help Dan. Sounds like you know your C-quam. > >Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Roach [mailto:droach@direct.ca] > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:11 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion > > > The correct procedure for L+R gain setting is: > > run the sample TX output of the exciter into the CQuam mod monitor. > Apply tone to the exciter (both channels, say 1kHz) until the mod monitor > reads, say 75% exactly. Disconnect the mod monitor from the exciter > sample TX output, and connect to the sample from the main transmitter. > Turn on the main transmitter, and adjust the L+R level on the exciter > until the L+R mod level is also exactly 75%. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Dan Roach S.W.Davis Broadcast Technical Services 200-1543 Venables St Vancouver, BC V5L 2G8 Tel 604 255 2200 Fax 604 255 4083 droach@direct.ca From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 05 18:12:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 01:12:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 38221 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 01:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 01:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 01:12:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 01:12:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 01:12:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MP3 files Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1806 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > MP3 is the most widely used standard and even though other formats > produce superior results I have settled on it until the better > standard becomes widely used. There are a few easy steps to getting good results from MP3: * Avoid the "Xing", "Blade", and "QDesign" encoders AT ALL COSTS!!! Try both LAME and Fraunhofer and see which one gives better results for what you are encoding. * For anything less than 160 kbps, use JOINT STEREO, not plain ("discrete") Stereo -- and if you really want to produce a file of 96 kbps or less, go for the Fraunhofer encoder which supports "Intensity Stereo". (But DON'T use Intensity Stereo above 96 kbps-- it only sounds good at low bit-rates.) * If possible, select an appropriate frequency response limit. Unless you're using very high bit-rates (256+ kbps), set it to 16 kHz or less -- the MP3 format inherently is VERY inaccurate at encoding audio above 16 kHz, and will "waste" a lot of bits trying to do so, all for extreme high frequencies that you really can't hear anyway, especially from the typically poor specifications of a computer sound card. * In general, I'd use: Bit-rate/Sampling Rate/Stereo Method - Audio Cut-Off Frequency ============================================================== 192 kbps/44.1 kHz Stereo or Joint Stereo - 16+ kHz 160 kbps/44.1 kHz Stereo or Joint Stereo - 16 kHz 128 kbps/44.1 kHz Joint Stereo - 15-16 kHz 112 kbps/44.1 kHz Joint Stereo - 12-15 kHz 96 kbps/44.1 kHz Intensity Stereo - 10-13 kHz 64 kbps/22.05 kHz Intensity Stereo - 9-10 kHz 56 kbps/22.05 kHz Intensity Stereo - 8-10 kHz 48 kbps/22.05 kHz Intensity Stereo - 7-8 kHz Anything less than 48 kbps is pretty much useless for good quality Stereo from MP3. Experiment within the suggested cut-off frequency range for the best results. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 05 18:19:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 01:19:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 13674 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 01:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 01:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 01:19:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 01:19:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 01:19:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1160 WYNS, etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EB6F200.D0284775@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 623 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Check Out the New facilities we just Finished building for them > last month... I still have some work to do over at WVPO and WYNS. Could you check if 1160 WYNS is still AM Stereo or not? They are using a nice Stereo-equipped Nautel transmitter, so they should be, but since Nassau bought the station and brought it back on the air, WYNS has been simulcasting ESPN Radio along with (mono) 1230 WEEX, so they might have turned off the Stereo exciter completely. And while you're in the Northeast PA area, check out 1100 WGPA and 1400 WEST -- I *think* they're putting out AM Stereo signals, but I'm not 100% sure. From groucho@skyweb.net Mon May 05 18:23:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 01:23:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 91865 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 01:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 01:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 01:23:18 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-66.skyweb.net [66.6.130.194]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h461OjFR012641; Mon, 5 May 2003 21:24:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3EB70E33.43799B74@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 21:21:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "am@nrcdxas.org" , "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" , "broadcast@broadcast.net" , "radio-tech@broadcast.net" Subject: SPANISH on 1680am Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Has anyone in these groups heard an TOH ID for this New spanish station on 1680 am??? they are slamming me up here in New Jersey. anyone Please???? I cannot find anything on the internet for a Spanish station on 1680 Neal From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 05 18:24:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 01:24:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 238 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 01:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 01:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 01:24:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 01:24:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 01:24:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1680 WTTM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 581 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That's Neal's station, playing Bollywood/"Asian" music from India, > largely. I don't think there's another AMS Indian station in the > country At 10,000 watts daytime, 1680 WTTM is the most powerful Indian format station in the entire USA, and probably within the Western Hemisphere for that matter. The format it broadcasts, called "EBC Radio", upgraded from a 10-watt Class D mono FM station!! (And that tiny FM station is still running an Indian format on their own now, but even with horribly overmodulated audio, their signal obviously doesn't reach very far.) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 05 18:29:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 01:29:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 57955 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 01:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 01:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 01:29:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 01:29:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 01:29:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SPANISH on 1680am - KTFH? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EB70E33.43799B74@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 443 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Has anyone in these groups heard an TOH ID for this New spanish > station on 1680 am??? they are slamming me up here in New Jersey. > anyone Please???? I cannot find anything on the internet for a > Spanish station on 1680 I did a little searching and it seems that 1680 KTFH from SEATTLE, WA recently went on the air with a Spanish music format, within the past few months. If you're picking them up in NJ, that's cross-country DX! From dav259@csiro.au Mon May 05 18:36:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 01:36:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 48722 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 01:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 01:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 01:36:36 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h461aY700933 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 11:36:34 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:36:34 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Mongolian/Tuvan throat singing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 6 May 2003, amymousie wrote: > (Just how eclectic is my taste? Rock & Roll/R&B/Soul/classic > rock/disco/top-40 oldies from the '50s to 1985, roughly (and yes, > some more recent stuff, too); classical, some jazz > (especially '20s/'30s), reggae, ska, middle-eastern, south-east > asian, Indian, Indonesian, Okinawan, native-American pow-wow music in > nthe style of popular songs (or more accurately, vice-versa), > experimental electronic music, Mongolian/Tuvan throat singing, and > the sounds of outer space. (Yes, I know there's a vacuum, thus no > sound, but it's not an electromagnetic vacuum out there. :) ) Is THAT > eclectic enough? ;) ) Crikey Amy! You mean you don't like Nepalese high-altitude yodelling??? :) From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 05 18:42:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 01:42:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 88208 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 01:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 01:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 01:42:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 01:42:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 01:42:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MP3 files Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1420 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: encoding. > > * For anything less than 160 kbps, use JOINT STEREO, not plain > ("discrete") Stereo -- and if you really want to produce a file of > 96 kbps or less, go for the Fraunhofer encoder which supports > "Intensity Stereo". (But DON'T use Intensity Stereo above 96 kbps-- I would avoid joint stereo at all costs if I want to preserve stereo separation, since what affects one channel's encoding will invariably affect the other, and that's not good. This is especially true of very-wide stereo recordings. I presently use VBR, set with a maximum of 128kbps (minimum at 32), with the quality (set in LAME with RazorLame for Windows) at highest quality, which gives a cutoff at about 12kHz (satisfactory for AM stereo work), using discrete stereo, with independent VBR encoding per channel. The resulting average sizes are between 96 and 112kbps, with little distortion beyond the cutoff mentioned. I play my MP3s (for myself) on my Casio Pocket PC 2002, but not in the supplied Windows Media player, since it doesn't support VBR, but rather an older MP3 player I bought for an older version of Pocket PC (back then, Palm-sized PC), calledc "Pocket Player" by Conduits (http://www.conduits.com/ce/player/), whghich, sadly, is no longer available for purchase, but I kept my registration from 1999. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 05 18:54:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 01:54:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 28615 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 01:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 01:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 01:54:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 01:54:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 01:54:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1680 WTTM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1271 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > That's Neal's station, playing Bollywood/"Asian" music from India, > > largely. I don't think there's another AMS Indian station in the > > country > > At 10,000 watts daytime, 1680 WTTM is the most powerful Indian format > station in the entire USA, and probably within the Western Hemisphere There's one I get on 1600, though I know not where. There was also a nice one in Orlando when I was last there in 1996-- Neither are/were stereo. > for that matter. The format it broadcasts, called "EBC Radio", > upgraded from a 10-watt Class D mono FM station!! (And that tiny FM > station is still running an Indian format on their own now, but even > with horribly overmodulated audio, their signal obviously doesn't > reach very far.) This may be a problem they cannot solve, as Indian recordings, up until the early 1990s, were notoriously bad-sounding- Overmodulation into 4th-hand recording equipment that made early reggae sound like digtital in comparison. :) Nepalese music, which I think is better than Hindi music, also suffers from said bad production standards. And I do mean their sound is -gratingly- bad! The music's decent, otherwise. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 05 18:58:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 01:58:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 52514 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 01:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 01:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 01:58:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 01:58:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 01:58:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Mongolian/Tuvan throat singing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 262 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Tue, 6 May 2003, amymousie wrote: =snip= > Crikey Amy! > > You mean you don't like Nepalese high-altitude yodelling??? :) See my post just before this. ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon May 05 19:08:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 02:08:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 61749 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 02:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 02:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 02:08:53 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 312A626FBEB for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B78D180145 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030505215244.02a90790@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 21:53:51 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} SPANISH on 1680am In-Reply-To: <3EB70E33.43799B74@skyweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm. Okay was that Indian o or Spanish I heard? Not sure I" know the difference... Didn't give ID. Oh Neil, Bensalem, PA. Just outside of Philly is ware I am. At 09:21 PM 5/5/03 -0400, you wrote: > Has anyone in these groups heard an TOH ID for this New spanish >station on 1680 am??? > they are slamming me up here in New Jersey. >anyone Please???? I cannot find anything on the internet for a Spanish >station on 1680 > Neal > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Mon May 05 19:10:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 02:10:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 69828 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 02:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 02:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 02:10:21 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-66.skyweb.net [66.6.130.194]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h462BUFR029992 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:11:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3EB71915.DCC16F0B@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 22:08:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1680 WTTM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Nahhh I used to be the CE for that overmodulated 10 watt FM station kevin talks about. and before it was taken over by the New group it had really good audio. thats one thing I take pride in. it has nothing to do with what they are playing..Its just the Crap Ramsy transmitter they are using.. wish they would give me back my armstrong transmitter... thats just sitting there. I hope that station keeps sounding Like Crap. amymousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > That's Neal's station, playing Bollywood/"Asian" music from > India, > > > largely. I don't think there's another AMS Indian station in the > > > country > > > > At 10,000 watts daytime, 1680 WTTM is the most powerful Indian > format > > station in the entire USA, and probably within the Western > Hemisphere > > There's one I get on 1600, though I know not where. There was also a > nice one in Orlando when I was last there in 1996-- Neither are/were > stereo. > > > for that matter. The format it broadcasts, called "EBC Radio", > > upgraded from a 10-watt Class D mono FM station!! (And that tiny > FM > > station is still running an Indian format on their own now, but > even > > with horribly overmodulated audio, their signal obviously doesn't > > reach very far.) > > This may be a problem they cannot solve, as Indian recordings, up > until the early 1990s, were notoriously bad-sounding- Overmodulation > into 4th-hand recording equipment that made early reggae sound like > digtital in comparison. :) Nepalese music, which I think is better > than Hindi music, also suffers from said bad production standards. > > And I do mean their sound is -gratingly- bad! The music's decent, > otherwise. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon May 05 19:21:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 02:21:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 1613 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 02:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 02:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41009.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 02:21:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20030506022131.44716.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.42.39] by web41009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 May 2003 19:21:31 PDT Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 19:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1680 WTTM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3EB71915.DCC16F0B@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Sorry Neal, WTTM and on occasion WJNZ are the only stations here in R.I. on 1680. 73, Jay, N1WVQ P.S.: Is WHWH running ESPN? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon May 05 19:23:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 02:23:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 68323 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 02:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 02:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf54bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 02:23:15 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.153.109.102]) by imf54bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030506022523.NXFN25339.imf54bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:25:23 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c31376$738ff9f0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SPANISH on 1680am - KTFH? Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 22:23:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think you are hearing WTIR. From Orlando. Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: SPANISH on 1680am - KTFH? > Has anyone in these groups heard an TOH ID for this New spanish > station on 1680 am??? they are slamming me up here in New Jersey. > anyone Please???? I cannot find anything on the internet for a > Spanish station on 1680 I did a little searching and it seems that 1680 KTFH from SEATTLE, WA recently went on the air with a Spanish music format, within the past few months. If you're picking them up in NJ, that's cross-country DX! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon May 05 19:24:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 02:24:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 64204 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 02:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 02:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf54bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 02:24:39 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.153.109.102]) by imf54bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030506022647.NZGF25339.imf54bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:26:47 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c31376$a5afb3d0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <3EB70E33.43799B74@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} SPANISH on 1680am Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 22:24:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WTIR, Winter Park, Orlando is Spanish AC now Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman To: am@nrcdxas.org ; amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com ; broadcast@broadcast.net ; radio-tech@broadcast.net Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:21 PM Subject: {AMSF} SPANISH on 1680am Has anyone in these groups heard an TOH ID for this New spanish station on 1680 am??? they are slamming me up here in New Jersey. anyone Please???? I cannot find anything on the internet for a Spanish station on 1680 Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon May 05 19:41:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 02:41:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 19740 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 02:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 02:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 02:41:09 -0000 Received: from logs-wo.proxy.aol.com (logs-wo.proxy.aol.com [205.188.200.6]) by rly-ip04.mx.aol.com (v89.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN10-0505223617; Mon, 05 May 2003 22:36:17 2000 Received: from ibm (AC85D5E5.ipt.aol.com [172.133.213.229]) by logs-wo.proxy.aol.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h462b8Su274967 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004a01c31378$60d3c380$d386dd43@aoldsl.net> To: References: <3EB70E33.43799B74@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} SPANISH on 1680am Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 22:37:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Apparently-From: WannabeAmishman@aol.com From: "Possum Hunter" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Neal Newman" wrote: > Has anyone in these groups heard an TOH ID for this New spanish station on 1680 am??? It is South-Southeast of me. I think it is Wintergarden, FL? Long live FREE RADIO! Possum - Moderator of the AM DX Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amradiodx/ Plate Modulation-The Choice Of The New Generation From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon May 05 19:45:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 02:45:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 65541 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 02:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 02:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf38bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.61) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 02:45:50 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.153.109.102]) by imf38bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030506024759.WUIQ1246.imf38bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:47:59 -0400 Message-ID: <00a501c31379$9b85beb0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <3EB70E33.43799B74@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} SPANISH on 1680am Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 22:45:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neal, this from a previous message... Couldn't sleep much last night... Heard on the SR-III, nekkid (as Kevin would write) 1680 UNID, 4/28 0442- Song, with woman signing in Oriental language. Came up over TIR- Winter Park, for about 90 seconds,then gone (JG-FL) ......Could this be WTTM ? Juan Gualda Fort Pierce, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 05 20:23:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 03:23:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 9257 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 03:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 03:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 03:23:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 03:23:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 03:23:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MP3 files Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1165 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I would avoid joint stereo at all costs if I want to preserve > stereo separation, since what affects one channel's encoding will > invariably affect the other, and that's not good. Actually, "smart" MP3 encoders like LAME and Fraunhofer will automatically switch between Joint Stereo and Discrete Stereo on a frame-by-frame basis, depending on what would more accurately encoding the audio being dealt with. You can test this by creating a file where the first half is mono and the second half is single-channel or out-of-phase... encoded to MP3 in this "smart" Joint Stereo mode, the resulting MP3 file will show as 50% Joint Stereo and 50% Discrete Stereo (when analyzed with a program such as "EncSpot"). "Dumb" MP3 encoders like Xing and QDesign just use Joint Stereo for all of the frames, regardless of the needs of the audio being encoded, and that's when the problems you describe arise. > but not in the supplied Windows Media player, since it doesn't > support VBR VBR is an official part of the MP3 format. Even Fraunhofer's original MP3 player from 1997 supports VBR! If Windows Media Player doesn't support it, then it's defective. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 05 20:32:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 03:32:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 6395 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 03:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 03:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 03:32:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 03:32:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 03:32:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1680 WTTM (& 89.3 WCNJ) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1091 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This may be a problem they cannot solve, as Indian recordings, up > until the early 1990s, were notoriously bad-sounding- > Overmodulation into 4th-hand recording equipment that made early > reggae sound like digtital in comparison. :) Indeed, overmodulation-type distortion it is almost part of their musical style, especially with those high-pitched female lead vocals, such as in songs from the "Bollywood" movies. This reminds me of my Indian college roomates and their cassettes of this music... beautiful theatrical-style production, but horrible audio! Nevertheless, the station in question, 89.3 WCNJ in Hazlet, NJ, is inherently overmodulated, even during their station IDs and "this- program-sponsored-by" pseudo-commercials. Rumor has it they lack any good audio processing, so they just let the inherent overmodulation/ over-deviation clipping in the transmitter take care of handling the audio peaks. This could be part of the reason why WCNJ has been under constant FCC scrutiny for years, and always seems to be one violation away from losing their license! From jim@burgan.net Mon May 05 20:49:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 03:49:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 78638 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 03:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 03:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 03:49:35 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-234-107.client.insightbb.com[12.221.234.107]) by sccimhc02.insightbb.com (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030506034934im200acnb0e>; Tue, 6 May 2003 03:49:34 +0000 Message-ID: <00a701c31382$81ecc580$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 22:49:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I can't confirm RDS (even though now all 3 of our Indy stations do >run RDS)...But I can confirm that in our last all-staff meeting, we >were told all of our stations (AM & FM) *would* run IBOC within the >year :-( Durn Brad, we've been hoping we would be among the first station(s)in Central Indiana running IBOC. We now have an all digital chain (CD Link STL and digital Optimod) and a few months ago we changed our audio library from 32kHz/MPEG Layer 2 to 44.1 kHz linear audio getting ready for IBOC. I don't know about the AM, but all of our FM's (including the 3 non-coms)are supposed to be IBOC by Dec 31st. :-( (me too) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon May 05 21:03:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 04:03:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 88251 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 04:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 04:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 04:03:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20030506040338.53083.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.38.128] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 May 2003 21:03:38 PDT Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 21:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Setting Single Channel Gain To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mr. Dan Roach, thanks for the tune-up tips for setting L+R gain. If you're new to our list, then - WELCOME! Please continue to contribute tune-up tips here on our list. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon May 05 21:11:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 04:11:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 90614 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 04:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 04:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (207.169.189.136) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 04:11:27 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy.eds.com [192.85.216.78]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h464BQG11709 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 14:11:26 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h464BOT20603 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 14:11:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h464BMJ20585 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 14:11:22 +1000 (EST) Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <2Y7RGV7P>; Tue, 6 May 2003 14:11:22 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F46F80@aubwm206> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting AM Station Website - 2DU Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:11:18 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Actually contains some technical info regarding their TX equipment radiation patterns. http://www.2du.com.au/data.htm From jim@burgan.net Mon May 05 21:12:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 04:12:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 9834 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 04:12:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 04:12:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc01.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.163) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 04:12:26 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-234-107.client.insightbb.com[12.221.234.107]) by sccimhc01.insightbb.com (sccimhc01) with SMTP id <20030506041225im1002k5bre>; Tue, 6 May 2003 04:12:26 +0000 Message-ID: <00b801c31385$b370ad30$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Any new chips in the making? Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 23:12:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Powell wrote: >At the spring SCBA ( South Carolina Broadcasters Association) meeting >Fred Broce, the Atlanta FCC Bureau chief spoke briefly about IBOC and >made a passing statement that a Korean company was making a portable >IBOC receiver. I aloud joked that battery life would be 30 minutes, >which garnered a big laugh. Fred said I was close....1 hour! I don't know about that.. I have a Sprint PCs phone and as long as I stay on the digital network, I can go 2 or 3 days without recharging my battery (and I have a Sanyo "Vision Phone" with full-color display that is set to go 30 seconds (the max allowable) before turning the 'light off'. However, if I roam onto an analog network (which happens frequently 'cause the Sprint PCS network is pretty-much centered in large metros and interstate highways), the battery gets zapped at 3 times the digital rate. I'm not sure why, or if this would apply to IBOC vs analog MW/VHF radio, but it's a fact. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 05 21:17:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 04:17:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 4496 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 04:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 04:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 04:17:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 04:17:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 04:17:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MP3 files Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 614 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > > but not in the supplied Windows Media player, since it doesn't > > support VBR > > VBR is an official part of the MP3 format. Even Fraunhofer's > original MP3 player from 1997 supports VBR! If Windows Media Player > doesn't support it, then it's defective. This has more to do with StrongARM's inability to cope with floating- point algorithms, which Pocket Player fudges by using a fixed-point codec made by Xing that does know how to interpret VBR. This is the same problem with Ogg on Pocket PC. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 05 21:24:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 04:24:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 40715 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 04:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 04:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 04:24:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 04:24:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 04:23:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1680 WTTM (& 89.3 WCNJ) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1732 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > This may be a problem they cannot solve, as Indian recordings, up > > until the early 1990s, were notoriously bad-sounding- > > Overmodulation into 4th-hand recording equipment that made early > > reggae sound like digtital in comparison. :) > > Indeed, overmodulation-type distortion it is almost part of their > musical style, especially with those high-pitched female lead vocals, > such as in songs from the "Bollywood" movies. This reminds me of > my Indian college roomates and their cassettes of this music... > beautiful theatrical-style production, but horrible audio! Indeed! They've gotten much better in recent years, and are just about on par with what we consider quality production standards, now. > Nevertheless, the station in question, 89.3 WCNJ in Hazlet, NJ, is > inherently overmodulated, even during their station IDs and "this- > program-sponsored-by" pseudo-commercials. Rumor has it they lack any > good audio processing, so they just let the inherent overmodulation/ > over-deviation clipping in the transmitter take care of handling the > audio peaks. This could be part of the reason why WCNJ has been > under constant FCC scrutiny for years, and always seems to be one > violation away from losing their license! Propbably in keeping with the poor-quality mentality, I bet.. :/ In many "developing" countries, broadcast audio is spectacularly bad (listen to Latin American stations on the shortwave, you'll know what I mean), which I think is totally irresponsible, since anybody could put together a half-decent audio signal with little money. :) It just takes giving a damn. ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jim@burgan.net Mon May 05 21:42:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 04:42:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 74747 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 04:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 04:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 04:42:25 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-234-107.client.insightbb.com[12.221.234.107]) by sccimhc02.insightbb.com (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030506044224im200act0ve>; Tue, 6 May 2003 04:42:25 +0000 Message-ID: <00de01c31389$e3b0adc0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 23:42:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Wrong, the reason is the horribly gross overprocessing. It's gotten >> to be an epidemic on the FM band. >And before that it was an epidemic in the AM band. At least this is >one thing we agree on. It's kind of funny because many of the people who post about the evil FM's who squish their audio into a hyper-trash-masher-type-signal, are the same ones who loved AM radio of the 60's and 70's. You wanna talk about 'squished' audio, those 60's/70's AM stations using CBS Audimax/Volumax compression were so compressed that you could play Crazy Horses by the Osmonds, a fast/slow transition jingle into the First Time Ever I Saw Your Face, all back-to-back and the VU meters on the modulation monitor would hardly move off of 100%. Hyper-compression on AM served a purpose, it increased the station's coverage. I remember having hermetically sealed headphone cups was a necessity in those days because the compression would suck up the audio from your headphones and cause feedback on the air. Personally, I always loved the CBS compression with it's pumping, but by those standards, today's Optimods are tame with all the warnings about listener fatigue. If it can be achieved without distortion, the more compression the better is my motto. Especially since 75% of radio listening is done in the car, so you gotta fight road noise and poor acoustics. One of my pet peeves is having to ride the volume control so you can hear the soft and loud passages of music above the road noise. Very few stations in Indiana have much expansion... They have peak limiting and that's about it. Listening to the air signal at our Hot AC is no better than listening to it in "program" off the board. I frequently check to make sure I am listening to the external monitor because of the dynamics. Without going totally nuts and causing distortion, I say the more compression the better. "Listener fatigue" is a result of playing the same 30 currents and 300 song gold library, not the result of overly processed audio. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 05 22:27:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 05:27:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 70068 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 05:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 05:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 05:27:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 05:27:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 05:27:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: audio processing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00de01c31389$e3b0adc0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1524 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > many of the people who post about the evil FM's who squish their > audio into a hyper-trash-masher-type-signal, are the same ones who > loved AM radio of the 60's and 70's. The difference is that classic wide-band processing (Audimax/Volumax, et al) preserves the relative dynamics and equalization between the various frequency ranges in the audio, while modern multi-band processing does not. In essence, wide-band processing is equivalent to "riding the gain" very quickly and very accurately. All that is maniplated is the overall loudness of the audio at any instant. All other aspects of the audio are preserved as they were originally recorded. However, multi-band processing is equivalent of de-doing the work of the mixing and mastering engineers who created the music. And since everything is given equal treatment by the processor, it makes every song have a very consistent sound -- which is both a benefit and a detriment to the perceived quality of the music being played. And when pushed to its limits, as many "competitive" FM stations do, multi-band processing doesn't just result in "pumping" of the whole audio -- it results in "pumping" of each of the frequency bands, which creates a less obvious but more insidiously annoying effect to the audio. Combine this with the high amounts of brute-force clipping that are often used, and it is a recipe for disaster, unless put into the hands of an engineer who knows how to respect the compromise between "loudness" and fidelity. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 05 23:54:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 06:54:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 31496 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 06:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 06:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 06:54:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 06:54:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 06:54:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hello! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 836 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum I'd just like to say hello to all our new and returning members... within the past week alone, we gained about half a dozen members, and I believe we're now up to 175 total members -- more than any of us could have ever imagined just a year ago, I'm sure. Message activity seems to be picking up as well -- thankfully, most of which is relevant to the topic of AM Stereo! A number of hot- button issues will remain highly discussed, such as the "IBOC" and "DRM" digital AM radio systems, but it's good to see a variety of topics being talked about, from the past, present, and future of AM Stereo. So, again, a hearty welcome to all the new and returning members, and I hope you'll like what you find here in The AM Stereo Forum! Kevin Tekel kevtronics@yahoo.com Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum From groucho@skyweb.net Tue May 06 00:09:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 07:09:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 57532 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 07:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 07:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 07:09:56 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-66.skyweb.net [66.6.130.194]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h467BQFR028807 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 03:11:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3EB75F60.CC4E52F@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 03:08:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1680 WTTM (& 89.3 WCNJ) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 WCNJ sounded its best when I was the CE... I hope they do loose their License. maybe I will Get My transmitter and antenna back from them. they owe me enough that I could buy a Hummer If they ever pay me. Neal "Kevin T." wrote: > > This may be a problem they cannot solve, as Indian recordings, up > > until the early 1990s, were notoriously bad-sounding- > > Overmodulation into 4th-hand recording equipment that made early > > reggae sound like digtital in comparison. :) > > Indeed, overmodulation-type distortion it is almost part of their > musical style, especially with those high-pitched female lead vocals, > such as in songs from the "Bollywood" movies. This reminds me of > my Indian college roomates and their cassettes of this music... > beautiful theatrical-style production, but horrible audio! > > Nevertheless, the station in question, 89.3 WCNJ in Hazlet, NJ, is > inherently overmodulated, even during their station IDs and "this- > program-sponsored-by" pseudo-commercials. Rumor has it they lack any > good audio processing, so they just let the inherent overmodulation/ > over-deviation clipping in the transmitter take care of handling the > audio peaks. This could be part of the reason why WCNJ has been > under constant FCC scrutiny for years, and always seems to be one > violation away from losing their license! > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From rwagoner1@mac.com Tue May 06 00:42:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 07:42:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 13416 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 07:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 07:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 07:42:56 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030506074254.MSRY1868.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 03:42:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 00:42:54 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Clearing Out the Fantastic Loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5900C252-7F96-11D7-AE22-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 10:47 AM, pianoplayer88key wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: >> I bought the antenna and found it does improve reception. I was able >> to >> get a small San Diego station relatively cleanly during the day; >> before >> hand using a home-made loop the station was unlistenable. However, -- >> and keep in mind the stupidity of the question lies in my >> non-engineering background -- does/can the antenna act to reduce the >> bandwidth of the signal? My TX11b seems to have fewer high frequencies >> than when I use my old loop. Is that even possible? >> >> Richard > > Just curious... which small station, and where are you listening from? > > I WAS listening to KFSD 1450 The Fox. They're classical again, and while I enjoy classical (though not as much as other music), I don't enjoy it poorly done. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 06 01:21:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 08:21:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 61927 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 08:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 08:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 08:21:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 08:21:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 08:21:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Aussie AM Stereo car radio Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 599 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics For those of you in Australia, Europe, or other parts of the world that use 9 kHz AM channel spacing, here's a chance to be able to receive AM Stereo in your car -- a Pioneer KE-A633AM AM Stereo/ FM Stereo/Cassette receiver, in standard DIN size: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3022772152 It looks suspiciously similar to the (U.S. market) Sherwood CRD-210; perhaps both use the same basic chassis and circuitry. This one's not cheap -- the starting bid is AU $249 (US $157) -- but it does have Narrow/Wide Bandwidth selection so it should deliver good hi-fi AM Stereo. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue May 06 01:31:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 08:31:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 73733 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 08:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 08:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 08:31:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 08:31:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 08:31:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: SPANISH on 1680am - KTFH? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c31376$738ff9f0$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 672 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.174 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: Yea, WTIR beats in across the Gulf of Mexico into SE Texas at night from time to time. JSG > I think you are hearing WTIR. From Orlando. > > Juan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin T. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:29 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: SPANISH on 1680am - KTFH? > > > > Has anyone in these groups heard an TOH ID for this New spanish > > station on 1680 am??? they are slamming me up here in New Jersey. > > anyone Please???? I cannot find anything on the internet for a > > Spanish station on 1680 > From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue May 06 01:45:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 08:45:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 29188 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 08:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 08:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 08:45:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 08:45:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 08:45:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MP3 files Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1162 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.174 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I would avoid joint stereo at all costs if I want to preserve > > stereo separation, since what affects one channel's encoding will > > invariably affect the other, and that's not good. > > Actually, "smart" MP3 encoders like LAME and Fraunhofer will > automatically switch between Joint Stereo and Discrete Stereo on a > frame-by-frame basis, depending on what would more accurately > encoding the audio being dealt with. > LAME does a good job with this. More info about command line options and what they do for the LAME encoder can be found at http://www.r3mix.net Here are my personal settings for near CD quality using lame version 3.90 or newer: lame --nspsytune --vbr-new -V 1 -m j -d -p -h -b 96 \ --lowpass 21 --lowpass-width 2.5 --athtype 2 \ --ns-sfb21 2 -Z --scale 0.98 -X 0 \ FileName.wav FileName.mp3 Backslash characters at the end of each line mean that the line is continued on the next line in UNIX shell scripts. This produces bitrates from 175 to 256 kbps depending on the type of music. These aren't small but the goal is optimal sound quality. JSG From dav259@csiro.au Tue May 06 01:50:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 08:50:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 29480 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 08:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 08:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 08:50:30 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h468oT719526 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 18:50:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:50:29 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 6 May 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > As Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum I'd just like to say hello to all our > new and returning members... within the past week alone, we gained > about half a dozen members, and I believe we're now up to 175 total > members -- more than any of us could have ever imagined just a year > ago, I'm sure. Me too 3XY! Allo Allo from all us upsidedown people in Oz to all the newbies in recent months. It's great to have some new blood on board! Seems to me we have a much bigger list (which is good) but perhaps a higher proportion without the "fire in the belly" (which is OK). You all joined for one reason or another. Hopefully some of you will do anything you can to promote what we know and love. Don't only restrict yourselves in using this as a discussion/bitching board - be prepared to do what you can for the cause. Make an effort to educate your friends/acquaintances. Be prepared to get on talkback radio and mention AM stereo. Spare a few minutes to write to radio stations that turn AMS either off or on. Don't assume that you can't make a difference. When someone cries out for help do what you can - for them - and AM stereo. Together we can keep the magic spark alive! Ian Melbourne From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 06 01:58:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 08:58:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 55906 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 08:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 08:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 08:58:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 08:58:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 08:58:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MP3 files Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1121 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This produces bitrates from 175 to 256 kbps depending on the > type of music. These aren't small but the goal is optimal > sound quality. Most of your custom switches have been encapsulated into "alt-preset" settings for LAME, of which "--alt-preset standard" is the most popular. Still, MP2, MP3, and to some degree MusePack (MPC) are very inaccurate at encoding high frequencies above 16 kHz. If these frequencies were more audible to your ear, you'd never accept how much the quality is degraded. Thus, rather than "wasting bits" on these extra high frequencies that are only marginally audible even when fully preserved, I choose to employ a cut-off of 15 or 16 kHz, which allows these more audible lower frequencies to be more accurately encoded. Choosing a cut-off of less than 15.6 kHz also eliminates most of the TV monitor oscillator whines that sneak into many studio recordings as a constant 15.6 to 15.7 kHz "pilot tone" in the background, which serves no purpose except to confuse the audio encoder and annoy you when it becomes high enough to be audible (as it is on some recordings). From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue May 06 02:59:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 09:59:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 71747 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 09:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 09:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 09:59:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 09:59:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 09:59:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MP3 files Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2617 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.174 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > This produces bitrates from 175 to 256 kbps depending on the > > type of music. These aren't small but the goal is optimal > > sound quality. > > Most of your custom switches have been encapsulated into "alt-preset" > settings for LAME, of which "--alt-preset standard" is the most > popular. I may go back and take a better look at the "--alt-preset standard" and add what is missing from the options I want. I started tweaking lame before all these newer settings were developed. I did look at the "--alt-preset standard" briefly and decided at the time to stick with my previous settings. I also wanted a little edge over what the standard setting offered and didn't mind if the files were 25% larger. > > Still, MP2, MP3, and to some degree MusePack (MPC) are very > inaccurate at encoding high frequencies above 16 kHz. If these > frequencies were more audible to your ear, you'd never accept how > much the quality is degraded. Thus, rather than "wasting bits" on > these extra high frequencies that are only marginally audible even > when fully preserved, I choose to employ a cut-off of 15 or 16 kHz, > which allows these more audible lower frequencies to be more > accurately encoded. > The r3mix page, which doesn't seem to be up at the time, says that that ATH type 2 & 3 can handle the higher frequencies correctly and specifies a 19.5 KHz low pass filter for this reason. I have had good luck with it and I use these HiFi settings only for CD sources. I will agree with you that the earlier versions of lame before 3.90 tended to degrade the top end a bit making it sound a bit harsh but I was impressed with the latest version of lame when using it for full frequency encoding. It definitely had a more polished sound. > Choosing a cut-off of less than 15.6 kHz also eliminates most of the > TV monitor oscillator whines that sneak into many studio recordings > as a constant 15.6 to 15.7 kHz "pilot tone" in the background, which > serves no purpose except to confuse the audio encoder and annoy you > when it becomes high enough to be audible (as it is on some > recordings). If I encode just for frequencies below 16Khz then I switch to 32khz sample rate to save space for better quality frames. With this I usually use a filter that starts to roll off at 12.5KHz and is completely out at 15KHz for what I call my FM quality. With this I'm not looking for absolutely perfect encoding but for fairly good sounding music with an average bitrate of 128kbps which varies from 112 to 135 kbps. JSG From michaelj@vcn.com Tue May 06 07:55:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 14:55:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 52903 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 14:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 14:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 14:29:11 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 08:29:10 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01c313dc$209d04c0$5401010a@AM> To: References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030505130123.02a64d90@mail.direct.ca> <5.1.0.14.1.20030505175209.02a7d920@mail.direct.ca> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:31:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see (said the blind man!). Makes sense to me. Well I tried the little (ahem!) emergency trick. Looks like I had it pretty close. I disconnected one channel from the input of the processing completely. Can't seem to get it to where the one meter is showing on the modulation monitor while the other meter is completely dead sitting there. It's close, but yet that other meter is still moving a little bit. Also had to bring the modulation down a bit. I was getting some distortion in general, and I know that is probably because the tubes aren't in tip top shape right now. They're the same tubes (all 4) that were new when I put the equipment in back in August of last year. So I did quiet it down a bit (using the L+R pot on the CRL processor) and it's clean. Looks like there's very little distortion now on single-channel stuff. Listening on my Sony SRF-42 walkman, seems like I still can't get one channel to go completely dead, even when there is no audio in that channel....so I guess for the time being this is as good as it's gonna get. Maybe this is just a property of AM Stereo and that is as good as it gets. I know if our engineer were here he'd probably say "well, you have XX db's of separation and that is more than plenty and more than enough for the average listener". I know that for a while in our FM studio we matrixed the audio out of our cart decks. Meanwhile I had a matrix network set up in the production room on the recording cart machine. It's still that way as a matter of fact. I know there as well, when I recorded something with only one channel of audio, upon playback there was still SOMETHING on the other channel. Similarly, YEAH you could tell the audio was almost all to one side, but the other channel was not completely dead. So I have a feeling this may be a property of matrixing. By the way, the reason we did the matrixed-stereo for the carts was that we only have a mono cart deck in the AM studio.....therefore when you play back a cart in the AM, you get clean L+R mono, and when you play it in the FM it decodes the matrixed stereo into stereo. Works the same way the AM stereo system does. In one channel, you have L+R, in the other channel you have L-R and this is how it is recorded onto the cart. A stereo cart actually has 3 tracks on it and so does the head. A mono cart deck has 2 tracks on it. (one track is for cue tones). When you play back a normal stereo cart on a mono cart machine, ya get only one channel. I guess that's why I can only assume when you matrix the channels and then de-matrix them, you'll get some sort of residual. It won't be much, but there will be just a tad in the other channel if you've got single channel audio. As our engineer said, there's still LOTS of db's of separation and it's more than plenty for the average listener. I guess I'm just a perfectionist and I love stereo, and in stereo when one channel is dead it should be completely dead to have the ultimate separation and reproduction. I dunno....maybe with brand new tubes, and some TLC with my oscilloscope it is possible it could get better. I think it's pretty darn good right now, though. I will eventually take some time to sit down with the scope and the manual and make sure that everything is aligned properly. Don't know if I should until I get new tubes, though. One thing I notice is one channel has just a little bit more "sizzle" than the other. For example....Paul Harvey is on....and everything he says with an S in it ....the s sound is pretty clean in the right channel but it's a little more sizzly-splattery in the left. Make sense? Is this a componant of the tubes being worn? Is this something that's normal? Is it something that's out of alignment? I've always wondered about the high-end thing....the sizzling. I always thought it did it more when your tubes were getting worn out because it couldn't pass the higher frequencies cleanly. You guys are the engineers. You tell me. That's the update for this morning Michael KEVA Country AM Stereo 1240 From: Dan Roach To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion Disconnect one channel from the exciter input and you do not have mono, you have one channel only--a severe condition in C-QUAM. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From droach@direct.ca Tue May 06 09:12:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: droach@direct.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 16:12:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 32456 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 15:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 15:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 15:40:41 -0000 Received: from dan.direct.ca ([64.180.122.175]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030506154040.LOUC4735.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@dan.direct.ca> for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 09:40:40 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20030506083409.02a7dbd0@mail.direct.ca> X-Sender: droach@direct.ca@mail.direct.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 08:47:05 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion In-Reply-To: <000f01c313dc$209d04c0$5401010a@AM> References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030505130123.02a64d90@mail.direct.ca> <5.1.0.14.1.20030505175209.02a7d920@mail.direct.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Dan Roach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=75892843 X-Yahoo-Profile: rastadudeca Well, you've done what you can to balance the two L+R paths. However, there's a whole mess of other things that will ultimately affect stereo separation and stereo distortion. The most fundamental of these is called IPM, or incidental phase modulation. Remember that your McMartian transmitter was designed and manufactured long before AM stereo came along. Imagine modulating your transmitter in pure mono (easy to do, just set the exciter mode to mono). And turn off the pilot. Ideally, there should be no phase modulation of the L-R channel. If you use the mod monitor to measure the noise level of the L-R channel, you'll see that this is not the case. (The CQUAM mod monitor is the only AM stereo receiver that still operates in stereo without the pilot present). The IPM level will fundamentally determine how good your stereo performance will be, without respect to any other adjustments. Tube condition and tuning both affect IPM performance. Also many older transmitters need a few modifications for good AM stereo performance. Acceptable IPM numbers are -35 to -45. Anything in the mid -20's will give you a little stereo, but performance is seriously compromised. You have to turn off the pilot because otherwise its presence will modulate the L-R channel at a level of (ideally) -26 dB below 100% mod, masking the true IPM level. Once IPM is minimized, only then can you consider the phase equalizing circuits and bulk delay circuits inside the exciter. Once you realize the the L-R and L+R signals take very different paths through the transmitter (L-R goes through the RF circuits, L+R through the modulators and then the RF circuits), the need for delay equalizers becomes apparent. But IPM is where you have to start. Here endeth the lesson. Good luck! D At 08:31 AM 5/6/03 -0600, you wrote: >I see (said the blind man!). Makes sense to me. >Well I tried the little (ahem!) emergency trick. Looks like I had it >pretty close. I disconnected one channel from the input of the processing >completely. Can't seem to get it to where the one meter is showing on the >modulation monitor while the other meter is completely dead sitting >there. It's close, but yet that other meter is still moving a little >bit. Also had to bring the modulation down a bit. I was getting some >distortion in general, and I know that is probably because the tubes >aren't in tip top shape right now. They're the same tubes (all 4) that >were new when I put the equipment in back in August of last year. So I >did quiet it down a bit (using the L+R pot on the CRL processor) and it's >clean. Looks like there's very Dan Roach S.W.Davis Broadcast Technical Services 200-1543 Venables St Vancouver, BC V5L 2G8 Tel 604 255 2200 Fax 604 255 4083 droach@direct.ca From bjackson@indyradio.com Tue May 06 09:26:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 16:26:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 68084 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 16:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 16:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 16:26:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 16:25:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 16:25:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: No more FM RDS in New York City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a701c31382$81ecc580$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 920 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > Durn Brad, we've been hoping we would be among the first station(s) in Central Indiana running IBOC. We now have an all digital chain (CD Link STL and digital Optimod) and a few months ago we changed our audio library from 32kHz/MPEG Layer 2 to 44.1 kHz linear audio getting ready for IBOC. > I don't know about the AM, but all of our FM's (including the 3 non- coms)are supposed to be IBOC by Dec 31st. > :-( (me too) > Great...more hash spewing thru the Indiana airwaves...Just what we need :-) What's the point in making the music 44.1 linear? We did the same thing here at Susquehanna...By the time it gets compressed to hell with IBOC, it doesn't matter! I did notice that even though your 1330 WTRE still runs country music, Keith killed the C-Quam on it :-( - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - http://www.indyradio.com From bjackson@indyradio.com Tue May 06 09:38:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 16:38:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 97184 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 16:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 16:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 16:38:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 16:37:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 16:37:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c313dc$209d04c0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1837 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: By the way, the reason we did the matrixed-stereo for the carts was that we only have a mono cart deck in the AM studio.....therefore when you play back a cart in the AM, you get clean L+R mono, and when you play it in the FM it decodes the matrixed stereo into stereo. Works the same way the AM stereo system does. In one channel, you have L+R, in the other channel you have L-R and this is how it is recorded onto the cart. A stereo cart actually has 3 tracks on it and so does the head. A mono cart deck has 2 tracks on it. (one track is for cue tones *snip* This reminds me of when I worked for WINN-FM/WKRP (now WNVI)-AM...The AM was playing a Music of Your Life format in C-Quam, and the FM was a CHR. The owner, Pete Boise, besides making cash off the stations, also sold and installed C-Quam equipment. Therefore, the FM CHR station had mono cart decks, and the AM had stereo cart decks! He'd use WKRP to showcase how good AM stereo sounded! It's too bad that since then the stations have been sold 3 times, and the AM has ended up in mono, only one channel being fed to the xmter, still doing the music format. Pete is now doing engineering work for Radio One, Louisville...Had a chance to talk with him not too long ago while visiting WDJX...He says all the equipment was still in the racks last time he checked, but was a total mess from the new owners. BTW, he's looking for some C-Quam equipment he may still have around his place for me...*fingers crossed!* And, good news from my trip in Louisville...I can confirm that Salem's AM 900 is still putting out a nice clean stereo signal! The legal ID has some good stereo effects in it. - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - http://www.indyradio.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue May 06 09:41:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 16:41:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 34511 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 16:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 16:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 16:20:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 16:20:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 16:20:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: audio processing rant! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00de01c31389$e3b0adc0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3040 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > >> Wrong, the reason is the horribly gross overprocessing. It's gotten > >> to be an epidemic on the FM band. > > >And before that it was an epidemic in the AM band. At least this is > >one thing we agree on. > > It's kind of funny because many of the people who post about the evil FM's who squish their audio into a hyper-trash-masher-type- signal, are the same ones who loved AM radio of the 60's and 70's. BRAAAAPPP!!! [ sound of a loud raspy buzzer!] Not MEEEE! > You wanna talk about 'squished' audio, those 60's/70's AM stations using CBS Audimax/Volumax compression were so compressed that you could play Crazy Horses by the Osmonds, a fast/slow transition jingle into the First Time Ever I Saw Your Face, all back-to-back and the VU meters on the modulation monitor would hardly move off of 100%. And it sounded as bad as AM on FM. *****Don't know why there aren't quote arrows***** Hyper-compression on AM served a purpose, it increased the station's coverage. I remember having hermetically sealed headphone cups was a necessity in those days because the compression would suck up the audio from your headphones and cause feedback on the air. Me: We didn't have processing that could keep the positive peaks high enough in the EARLY days of processing. you > Personally, I always loved the CBS compression with it's pumping, but by those standards, today's Optimods are tame with all the warnings about listener fatigue. ****ME**** Not me. The Gates Levil Devil and Sta Levil REALLLY pumped. You > If it can be achieved without distortion, the more compression the > better is my motto. GAG! GAG ! GAG! > Especially since 75% of radio listening is done in the car, so you gotta fight road noise and poor acoustics. One of my pet peeves is having to ride the volume control so you can hear the soft and loud passages of music above the road noise. Very few stations in Indiana have much expansion... They have peak limiting and that's about it. Listening to the air signal at our Hot AC is no better than listening to it in "program" off the board. I frequently check to make sure I am listening to the external monitor because of the dynamics. Without going totally nuts and causing distortion, I say the more compression the better. "Listener fatigue" is a result of playing the same 30 currents and 300 song gold library, not the result of overly processed audio. Wrong answer on listening fatigue. Stations hear compress so hard, that if you record on a reel to reel recorder off air, the VU meter never moves under normal programming content, far to the detriment of sonic quality. You can limit properly with modern processing, and do it right, but the digital ones do it very well when PROPERLY adjusted. But those units have the capability of making things sound VERY bad VERY quickly if you do NOT know what you are doing, and a lot of folks do NOT! Powell From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue May 06 10:52:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 17:52:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 31522 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 16:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 16:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 16:52:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 16:51:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 16:51:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2529156457: Panasonic VP-8254A AM-Stereo (C-Quam) Signal Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030506152449.65382.qmail@web41706.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 978 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Mourgos wrote: > > > tom_richard1980@y... wrote: To: tom_richard1980@y... > From: tom_richard1980@y... > Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2529156457: Panasonic VP-8254A AM-Stereo (C-Quam) Signal > Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 08:20:36 PDT > > I saw this item for sale at eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM, and thought that you might be interested. > > Title of item: Panasonic VP-8254A AM-Stereo (C-Quam) Signal > Seller: techtool2003 > Starts: May-05-03 18:29:49 PDT > Ends: May-10-03 18:29:49 PDT > Price: Starts at $53.00 > To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2529156457 > I think this guy sold this awhile back as a perfect condition unit. His description now says the display has issues when you first turn it on sometimes. I suspsect that since he has a 100% postive feedback that he took it back because the purchaser was dissatisfied. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue May 06 11:49:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 18:49:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 40132 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 17:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 17:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 17:02:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 17:02:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 17:02:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c313dc$209d04c0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 584 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Listening on my Sony SRF-42 walkman, seems like I still can't get one channel to go completely dead, even when there is no audio in that channel....so I guess for the time being this is as good as it's gonna get. Sony units don't use true Motorola C-QuAM decoding but their own chipset developed for 4-Way their decoder. It's not the best unit to test for complete channel separation. You would be better off using a radio that uses one of the Motorola chips like a Chrysler or Delco unit. JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Tue May 06 12:10:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 19:09:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 78094 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 19:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 19:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 19:09:56 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.181]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 15:08:41 -0400 Message-ID: <001701c31403$2fa97d00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Ripflash(continued) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:10:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Dave,it is stereo, and has a little "S" on the display to indicate it- BUT- it is very picky about switching to stereo. I could only get the stero on when I was very close to 2 local stations. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Ripflash(continued) > Chris mine arrived this morning. So damn small! but it does what it > says well. Only thing not too important but the FM radio part is mono > only it seems, can you confirm this ? If so could a future firmware > update incl FM stereo. Also could more MP3 quality modes be added > maybe ie 64k mono / stereo ? > > Dave From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 06 12:54:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 19:54:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 5355 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 18:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 18:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 18:23:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 18:23:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 18:23:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Panasonic AM Stereo generator on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 357 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think this guy sold this awhile back as a perfect condition unit. I bought a similar Panasonic AM Stereo generator for this seller, and it works perfectly, just as was described in the auction. The only difference is mine is the multi-system model (C-Quam, Kahn, Harris, and Magnavox), while this one currently being auctioned is C-Quam-only. From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue May 06 13:26:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 6 May 2003 20:26:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 16484 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 19:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2003 19:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2003 19:05:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2003 19:05:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 19:05:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4909 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.196 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Hi Michael, When I asked if the "exciter was installed properly", I think I phrased my question wrong, I wasn't asking about the physical installation, and whether it was "working" or not, what I was wondering about was whether or not the exciter, along with the transmitter proper, had been adjusted as per the exciter manual, as there are a lot of things that must be just right for good AM stereo. It sounds like Dan has got you on the right path with this. I would do three basic things. First check the exciter using the built in "sample transmitter", to be sure it is operating properly, and can deliver the performance you expect. Then I would get the McMartin transmitter working as well as possible, and I would check around to see if there are any modifications that will improve it's performance when used for AM stereo operation. Once I knew the exciter was working properly, and the old transmitter was working as best it can, then I would tackle all the adjustments in the exciter, that's where that scope you bought comes in. I'm not sure that I believe you can successfully clone the exciter settings from another transmitter of the same make and model. Antique AM broadcast transmitters were far from being high precision laboratory instruments when they were new, and age has probably not helped them much. Different tuning, operating frequency, and power output settings will also contribute to the need for different exciter settings with some transmitters. Don't try to use your AM stereo radios for setting the exciter, that will lead you into a quagmire, use the modulation monitor, that's what it's for. If you have a complex antenna system that has AM stereo issues, then you may need to do something more involved. Read the manual through several times, until you are sure you understand everything it is really saying, before you start. I'm sure with the encouragement Dan has given you, you will soon have that old McMartin sending out really glorious AM stereo. Regards, John Byrns --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" < michaelj@v...> wrote: > Thanks John > > You're right on a lot of aspects. I'm kinda moving by the seat of > my pant here. I'm NOT an engineer. I know a lot about a lot of > this stuff, but technically I'm NOT an engineer. I had help from > some engineers installing the gear, including Bob Carter (he's no > longer on this list, but he was at the time) in North Carolina, who > has the EXACT McMartin BA-1K transmitter that I have. So he told me > exactly how and what to do. The distortion is on the modulation > monitor and every and all radios that I listen to. Looking at the > modulation monitor, I don't know how many DBs down it would be. I > can tell ya that the meter on the channel with the content would be > peaking about 40 or 45% and the other meter will show 15 or 20% on > the meter, depending on what the content of the other channel is. > The more content on the single channel, the more distortion on the > quiet channel. > Whether the exciter is installed properly, I'm assuming it is > because it works. No, I didn't own a scope at the time and couldn't > perform all of the proper measurements according to the Motorola > manual. I know I know.....that's not cool. But this was my > project. I didn't charge the station any money to do this because > mangement could care less about stereo. Just a labor of love for me. > I was hoping for the best...I knew it was working when it was > removed from service at the other station, and I was hoping it would > work for me. And it did. Well...for the most part. > Like I said, as for the transmitter end, I know it should work. > I've heard stations in stereo that I know for a fact have the same > McMartin BA-1K transmitter, and like I said, Bob has the same > transmitter for his backup and he told me exactly what to do...right > down the putting in a resistor to attenuate the level coming from > the exciter into the transmitter so that it wouldn't be too hot a > level for the McMartin. Right down to the value of the resistor! > > As you've probably read by the time you'll see this message, I > seemed to have had some luck calibrating levels into and out of the > exciter this morning. I know it certainly sounds better. Haven't > had a chance to check the separation problem but I'll do it later > today or tomorrow. > > Thanks for your help! > Michael > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bta_50g [mailto:jbyrns@r...] > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:08 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? > > > > Hi Michael, > > Are you hearing this distorted crosstalk in your modulation > monitor, or just in a AM stereo receiver? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 06 17:42:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 00:42:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 78844 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 00:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 00:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 00:42:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 00:42:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 00:42:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Panasonic AM Stereo generator on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 632 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.113 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I think this guy sold this awhile back as a perfect condition unit. > > > I bought a similar Panasonic AM Stereo generator for this seller, and > it works perfectly, just as was described in the auction. The only > difference is mine is the multi-system model (C-Quam, Kahn, Harris, > and Magnavox), while this one currently being auctioned is > C-Quam-only. I can honestly say I envy you, and you know why. It's a moot point, anyway, so I haven't fretted over it. (Not like I could have afforded it at this time, anyway.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue May 06 18:44:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 01:44:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 14679 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 01:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 01:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 01:44:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 01:44:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 01:44:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Panasonic AM Stereo generator on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 505 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.114 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I think this guy sold this awhile back as a perfect condition unit. > > > I bought a similar Panasonic AM Stereo generator for this seller, > and it works perfectly, just as was described in the auction. The > only difference is mine is the multi-system model (C-Quam, Kahn, > Harris, and Magnavox), You might as well throw it in the ash can, it can't be very useful if it doesn't also do the Belar/RCA system. John From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 06 18:55:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 01:55:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 3715 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 01:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 01:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 01:55:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 01:55:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 01:55:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Panasonic AM Stereo generator on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 780 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.113 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > I think this guy sold this awhile back as a perfect condition unit. > > > > > > I bought a similar Panasonic AM Stereo generator for this seller, > > and it works perfectly, just as was described in the auction. The > > only difference is mine is the multi-system model (C-Quam, Kahn, > > Harris, and Magnavox), > > You might as well throw it in the ash can, it can't be very useful if > it doesn't also do the Belar/RCA system. It was probably built after Belar bailed out of AM stereo in 1982. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Intent on resurrecting the RCA system after 21 years (or 43 years, depending how one sees it).) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 06 20:47:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 03:47:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 30369 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 03:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 03:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 03:47:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 03:47:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 03:47:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Panasonic AM Stereo generator on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 418 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It was probably built after Belar bailed out of AM stereo in 1982. The ICs inside it (and there are _lots_ of them) are dated 1984. Also, it produces the Harris system with a fixed 25 Hz pilot tone, which places its design during the final evolution of the Harris system in this AM-Stereo-event-filled year, when they dropped the pilot down from 55 Hz in order to make it "compatible" with C-Quam receivers. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 06 21:11:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 04:11:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 47903 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 04:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 04:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 04:11:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 04:11:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 04:11:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Panasonic AM Stereo generator on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 708 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.113 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > It was probably built after Belar bailed out of AM stereo in 1982. > > The ICs inside it (and there are _lots_ of them) are dated 1984. > Also, it produces the Harris system with a fixed 25 Hz pilot tone, > which places its design during the final evolution of the Harris > system in this AM-Stereo-event-filled year, when they dropped the > pilot down from 55 Hz in order to make it "compatible" with C-Quam > receivers. Yup, that would be when Harris converted most of the Harris stations' transmitters over to C-QUAM (although there were still non-C-QUAM Harris stations well into the early '90s). Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed May 07 04:25:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 11:25:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 71315 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 11:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 11:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 11:25:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 11:25:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 11:25:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT : Only FM mono with Trio ripflash in the UK ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 178 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 213.121.69.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Is this because of the different de-emphesis the USA use as strong locals only give mono here Has anyone tried the new firmware btw for the Trio ? Seems to have a few bugs From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed May 07 06:15:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 13:15:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 1605 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 13:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 13:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 13:15:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 13:15:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 13:15:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Alfredo Lite mods Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1138 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Last night I modified my Alfredo-Lite to use 6 D batteries, as it goes through AAs pretty fast. When the battery voltage slumps, I find range suffers and its more challenging to receive in stereo. Current processing is very modest - an Alesis Nanocompressor - a modern twist on old fashioned, single band compression/limiting. The best antenna results I've had to date is about 8 feet of wire verticle, tuned by a SAT-541M, with a decent ground. This gives a great signal in my house, pretty good on my 1/3 acre lot, then drops away rapidly off my property line. Has anyone tried mounting the Alfredo-Lite in a metal case? I have a couple rack mount cabinets - a one space and a two space - from old obsolete computer hubs. I'm wondering about grounding issues and the like. If I were to put the A-L in a metal case, what type of RF output connector would work best - should it be modified for coax? Even though its mono, the A-L sure sounds nice on a GE SRIII or a Heath PT-1. By contrast, the AM Stereo AMAX successor to the Delco UX-1 sounds pretty muddy. As well, has anyone tried a regulated power supply? From michaelj@vcn.com Wed May 07 07:05:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 14:05:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 5444 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 14:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 14:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 14:02:09 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 08:02:09 -0600 Message-ID: <001101c314a1$8a66f800$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:04:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks so much John. I appreciate your insight as well and I kinda knew what you meant. True, I'm using my SRF-42 walkman to listen to what I'm doing. Plus I also know that technically no matter what radio I'm using to listen, it won't be totally valid because I'm standing only a few inches away from the transmitter and it's gonna be subject to some overload, and the SRF-42 does indeed exhibit a little bit of that depending on which way I'm facing or it's facing. But for measurements and validity I am using the monitor. As far as our plant, it's nothing really too complicated. Just a typical 1kw 1-tower station. Our engineer a while back how important it is to have the modulation monitor as well if you're gonna do c-quam, because its measurement capabilities are unmatched by any radio. I agree that Dan's got me on the right road and things are looking really nice. I think already the stereo and sound is better than it's ever been. Dan, if you're reading this...did a quick check of the IPM and it is indeed way down when in mono and pilot is off. Not even registering 20% on the monitor's VU meter. So it's probably in that -30 to -40 range. Looking good. And sounding great! Will post some air checks soon! Michael n Wyo KEVA AM Stereo 1240 ----- Original Message ----- From: bta_50g To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Hi Michael, When I asked if the "exciter was installed properly", I think I phrased my question wrong, I wasn't asking about the physical installation, and whether it was "working" or not, what I was wondering about was whether or not the exciter, along with the transmitter proper, had been adjusted as per the exciter manual, as there are a lot of things that must be just right for good AM stereo. It sounds like Dan has got you on the right path with this. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed May 07 08:12:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84696 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 15:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 15:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 15:12:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 15:08:24 -0000 Date: 7 May 2003 15:08:20 -0000 Message-ID: <1052320100.4923.93392.w15@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /pdf/cam-d.pdf Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : PDF document containing details on Leonard Kahn's "CAM-D" system, which adds digital enhancement to the analog Kahn AM Stereo system, and claims to deliver FM-quality 15 kHz stereo audio without exceeding the +/- 10 kHz bandwidth currently allocated to analog AM stations. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/cam-d.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 07 08:16:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 15:16:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 48437 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 15:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 15:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 15:16:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 15:16:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:16:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT : Only FM mono with Trio ripflash in the UK ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 275 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > Is this because of the different de-emphesis the USA use as strong > locals only give mono here Shouldn't make any difference, since the same pilot and difference signals are used. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 07 08:39:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 15:39:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 5760 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 15:38:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 15:38:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 15:38:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 15:38:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:38:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cam-D )was Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1052320100.4923.93392.w15@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 798 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > File : /pdf/cam-d.pdf > Uploaded by : kevtronics > Description : PDF document containing details on Leonard Kahn's "CAM-D" system, which adds digital enhancement to the analog Kahn AM Stereo system, and claims to deliver FM-quality 15 kHz stereo audio without exceeding the +/- 10 kHz bandwidth currently allocated to analog AM stations. Be interesting to see someone dissect Mr. Kahn's claims, here. :) (First off, it's "MHz", not "mHz"- I don't think there's presently any technology that can squeeze broadcastable information in one milihertz, at least not until quantum modulation is perfected, but THAT is several years to decades down the road... ;) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed May 07 08:55:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 15:55:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 92677 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 15:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 15:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 15:55:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 15:55:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:55:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c314a1$8a66f800$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1093 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.249 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" < michaelj@v...> wrote: > Dan, if you're reading this...did a quick check of the IPM and it is > indeed way down when in mono and pilot is off. Not even registering > 20% on the monitor's VU meter. So it's probably in that -30 to -40 > range. Looking good. And sounding great! I hate to be the bearer of bad news. I don't have a Motorola C-Quam monitor, and even if I did I would have a hard time connecting it to your TX, but I do have one of the meters that I cannibalized from a Motorola C-Quam monitor sitting here on my mouse pad, and it looks like 20% is only -14 dB, not anywhere near the -30 to -40 dB range. I would have the engineer check the tuning of the TX for minimum IPM, and I would also check with the experts on the McMartin transmitter to see if there are any known mods to improve this. I used to know a guy who went around tweaking C-Quam systems to get them to work correctly. IIRC he said IPM was numero uno on the list of problems, and your informal reading doesn't sound too good. John From michaelj@vcn.com Wed May 07 09:00:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 16:00:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 97277 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 16:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 16:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 16:00:23 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 10:00:23 -0600 Message-ID: <002f01c314b2$0f8cb640$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Cam-D )was Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:02:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would LOVE to hear some samples of how this system sounds....both digital and analog, as well as a "dial scan" on both sides of the frequency (to verify any if at all...interference from the digital carriers such as what IBOC produces). I'm wondering about the test stations. He mentioned KSL 1160, as well as KKDS 1060 (both in Salt Lake City). I'm only an hour away from Salt Lake, and do band scans at least once daily, plus I'm actually in Salt Lake City once a week. If there HAS been any recent testing, I don't recall ANY interference whatsoever with either of these two stations. KSL is clean as ever (they're probably the cleanest AM on the Salt Lake dial). Meanwhile I actually listen to KKDS when I'm down there. They run Westwood One's Standards 'Great Songs and Great Memories' format, plus they're live during afternoon drive. Again, I've never heard any kind of interference at all. If they HAVE been testing, then I am ALL FOR this digital system because it is apparantly completely transparent. I wish Leonard had a web site so that he could post samples and so forth. Thinking about asking John Dehnel about it.....he's the CE at KSL. I know he was always a big Kahn supporter......may be why he went ahead and tested Leonard's new system on KSL. Should be interesting ! Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 07 09:13:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 16:13:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 41374 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 16:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 16:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 16:12:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 16:12:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 16:12:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Quantum modulation Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1623 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I probably piqued the curiosity of some here when I mentioned quantum modulation, so I thought I would explain what I'm thinking, here. :) Quantum modulation, or the method of changing a particle's spin, is already being used to study properies of electrons, and you'll find a few pages on quantum modulation online. Its application to photons (ie: the electromagnetic spectrum, ie: radio waves :) ) would be the next major logical step in the development of broadcast modulation technology. It could be thought of as modulating the phase of a carrier signal without any elements of amplitude or frequency shifts, but not phasing as we presently know it, but rather, phasing the natural spin of the photon particles. The result is a signal, with any amount of data, and no more than 1 Hz wide. The methods of receiving and broadcasting this form of modulation is still ahead of any consumer/industrial-level technology, as far as I'm aware, and can't be applied to present AM, PM or FM techniques, but the method of data modulation could be expressed as an analog or digital phasing of a photon particle's spin. When do I expect quantum modulation to be developed for broadcasting? Within perhaps the next 20-30 years, and commercially viable by the end of the century. This could probably be done now, but since quantum computing is right now in the most primitive stages of development, it might be a while before it can be practically applied. Something to look forward to in the coming years. :) (What, you thought I only had azn interest in the "technology of the past"? ;) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 07 09:21:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 16:21:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 27805 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 16:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 16:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 16:21:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 16:21:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 16:21:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Cam-D )was Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002f01c314b2$0f8cb640$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1968 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > I would LOVE to hear some samples of how this system sounds....both digital and analog, as well as a "dial scan" on both sides of the frequency (to verify any if at all...interference from the digital carriers such as what IBOC produces). I'm wondering about the test stations. He mentioned KSL 1160, as well as KKDS 1060 (both in Salt Lake City). I'm only an hour away from Salt Lake, and do band scans at least once daily, plus I'm actually in Salt Lake City once a week. If there HAS been any recent testing, I don't recall ANY interference whatsoever with either of these two stations. KSL is clean as ever (they're probably the cleanest AM on the Salt Lake dial). Meanwhile I actually listen to KKDS when I'm down there. They run Westwood One's Standards 'Great Songs and Great Memories' format, plus they're live during afternoon drive. Again, I've never heard any kind of interference at all. When I read the file, this is exactly what I was thinking- And had you in mind. :) One thing you could do is contact KSL and KKDS and _ask_ when they're doing tests, and if they'd do it while you're in town. Since you have a forced-stereo radio already (your SRF-42), you have the perfect tool to check it out. :) > If they HAVE been testing, then I am ALL FOR this digital system because it is apparantly completely transparent. That's what all MW stereo systems should be- Transparent. Something IBOC has never been. I do question the use of 8-bit digital, though. > I wish Leonard had a web site so that he could post samples and so forth. Thinking about asking John Dehnel about it.....he's the CE at KSL. I know he was always a big Kahn supporter......may be why he went ahead and tested Leonard's new system on KSL. > Should be interesting ! Well, keep us informed, MJR... :) And since we have your AMS FTP site... ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Wed May 07 09:25:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 16:25:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 39114 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 16:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 16:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 16:25:32 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 10:25:32 -0600 Message-ID: <003501c314b5$92ec9480$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:27:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John What I was trying to get across is that if you look at your meter. Look at the bottom scale. It shows db's. goes from -20 on up. When I put the exciter in mono and turn off the pilot, the needle does not even REGISTER up to the -20 mark. It's below it. It bounces around below it. The needle registers around 8 or 10%. I actually set the peak indicator thumbwheels until the peak light started coming on.....and that was at 10. So....according to the modulation monitor, the needle is peaking at 10% on the percentage scale, which is below the -20db mark on the bottom (db) scale on the meter. I agree that it probably needs to be checked with a scope and so forth and of course the work performed by a real engineer and not some dumb engineer wannabe like myself. Also, there were a couple of models of modulation monitors that Motorola put out. Mine's the brown-faced model 1310. Is that the model your meter came out of? If not, the meter might be different. Should be about the same, though. Michael KEVA AM Stereo 1240 ----- Original Message ----- From: bta_50g To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:55 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" < michaelj@v...> wrote: > Dan, if you're reading this...did a quick check of the IPM and it is > indeed way down when in mono and pilot is off. Not even registering > 20% on the monitor's VU meter. So it's probably in that -30 to -40 > range. Looking good. And sounding great! I hate to be the bearer of bad news. I don't have a Motorola C-Quam monitor, and even if I did I would have a hard time connecting it to your TX, but I do have one of the meters that I cannibalized from a Motorola C-Quam monitor sitting here on my mouse pad, and it looks like 20% is only -14 dB, not anywhere near the -30 to -40 dB range. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Wed May 07 09:36:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 16:36:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 45136 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 16:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 16:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 16:36:27 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 10:36:27 -0600 Message-ID: <004401c314b7$196843a0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Cam-D )was Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:38:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah.....now all I need is an MD player/recorder...then I could air check it for y'all :) Will maybe try to contact them and see what they have to say. I just fired off an email to KSL....will keep you all posted on what they have to say about it and if they'll be doing it again. Michael n Wyo ----- Original Message ----- From: amymousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: {AMSF} Cam-D )was Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, When I read the file, this is exactly what I was thinking- And had you in mind. :) One thing you could do is contact KSL and KKDS and _ask_ when they're doing tests, and if they'd do it while you're in town. Since you have a forced-stereo radio already (your SRF-42), you have the perfect tool to check it out. :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed May 07 12:12:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 19:12:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 3963 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 19:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 19:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 19:12:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 19:11:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 19:11:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Cam-D )was Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002f01c314b2$0f8cb640$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2422 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" < michaelj@v...> wrote: > I would LOVE to hear some samples of how this system sounds....both digital and analog, as well as a "dial scan" on both sides of the frequency (to verify any if at all...interference from the digital carriers such as what IBOC produces). I'm wondering about the test stations. He mentioned KSL 1160, as well as KKDS 1060 (both in Salt Lake City). I'm only an hour away from Salt Lake, and do band scans at least once daily, plus I'm actually in Salt Lake City once a week. If there HAS been any recent testing, I don't recall ANY interference whatsoever with either of these two stations. KSL is clean as ever (they're probably the cleanest AM on the Salt Lake dial). Meanwhile I actually listen to KKDS when I'm down there. They run Westwood One's Standards 'Great Songs and Great Memories' format, plus they're live during afternoon drive. Again, I've never heard any kind of interference at all. > If they HAVE been testing, then I am ALL FOR this digital system because it is apparantly completely transparent. > I wish Leonard had a web site so that he could post samples and so forth. Thinking about asking John Dehnel about it.....he's the CE at KSL. I know he was always a big Kahn supporter......may be why he went ahead and tested Leonard's new system on KSL. > Should be interesting ! Take a closer look at Leonard's filing, he says in the foot note on page 3 that the system has never been tested "on-the-air". Reading between the lines it would seem reasonable to assume that the system has not even been built at this point. He says the "core signal" has had extensive "on-the-air" testing, which of course is simply our old friend the Kahn ISB AM stereo system. The footnote indicates that the slow speed data system has been successfully tested "on-the-air", but later in the main body of the filing he hedges on that, stating that the slow speed data system was tested at KSL, but that the system tested at KSL didn't use spread spectrum modulation, but rather used some other unspecified form of modulation, which seems like an important point. From the filing it sounds like the Fidelity Restoration system, hasn't yet been built or tested. Hopefully Leonard will have a complete system for KSL to test soon. Technical comments to follow later, when I feel more like typing. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed May 07 12:22:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 19:22:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 31736 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 19:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 19:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 19:20:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 19:19:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 19:19:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003501c314b5$92ec9480$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2856 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Hi Michael, I was going by your original comment that it was "Not even registering 20% on the monitor's VU meter." It appears that "20% was a typo, and you meant -20 dB, which is 10%, or 6 dB better. I don't remember which C-Quam monitor my meter came out of. It has three scales, a percentage modulation scale that reads up to 140%, a second percentage modulation scale that reads up to 40%, and is basically 10 dB more sensitive than the first scale, and finally a "dB" scale that reads from -20 dB up to +3 dB. It really doesn't matter though, I just threw the meter comment in for "color", as it was sitting here, 20% = -14 dB, and -20 dB = 10% on most modulation meters. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" < michaelj@v...> wrote: > John > What I was trying to get across is that if you look at your meter. > Look at the bottom scale. It shows db's. goes from -20 on up. > When I put the exciter in mono and turn off the pilot, the needle > does not even REGISTER up to the -20 mark. It's below it. It > bounces around below it. The needle registers around 8 or 10%. > I actually set the peak indicator thumbwheels until the peak light > started coming on.....and that was at 10. So....according to the > modulation monitor, the needle is peaking at 10% on the percentage > scale, which is below the -20db mark on the bottom (db) scale on the > meter. I agree that it probably needs to be checked with a scope > and so forth and of course the work performed by a real engineer and > not some dumb engineer wannabe like myself. Also, there were a > couple of models of modulation monitors that Motorola put out. > Mine's the brown-faced model 1310. Is that the model your meter > came out of? If not, the meter might be different. Should be about > the same, though. > > Michael > KEVA AM Stereo 1240 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bta_50g > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:55 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any new chips in the making? > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" < > michaelj@v...> wrote: > > > Dan, if you're reading this...did a quick check of the IPM and > > > it is indeed way down when in mono and pilot is off. Not even > > > registering 20% on the monitor's VU meter. So it's probably in > > > that -30 to -40 range. Looking good. And sounding great! > > > I hate to be the bearer of bad news. I don't have a Motorola > > C-Quam monitor, and even if I did I would have a hard time > > connecting it to your TX, but I do have one of the meters that I > > cannibalized from a Motorola C-Quam monitor sitting here on my > > mouse pad, and it looks like 20% is only -14 dB, not anywhere near > > the -30 to -40 dB range. > > Michael > KEVA AM Stereo 1240 > From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed May 07 13:03:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 20:03:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 41882 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 20:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 20:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 20:03:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 20:03:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 20:03:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cam-D )was Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2477 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > wrote: > > > File : /pdf/cam-d.pdf > > Uploaded by : kevtronics > > Description : PDF document containing details on Leonard > Kahn's "CAM-D" system, which adds digital enhancement to the analog > Kahn AM Stereo system, and claims to deliver FM-quality 15 kHz stereo > audio without exceeding the +/- 10 kHz bandwidth currently allocated > to analog AM stations. > > Be interesting to see someone dissect Mr. Kahn's claims, here. :) > > (First off, it's "MHz", not "mHz"- I don't think there's presently > any technology that can squeeze broadcastable information in one > milihertz, at least not until quantum modulation is perfected, but > THAT is several years to decades down the road... ;) ) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ It may take several years for the Cam-D system to mature to where if functions flawlessly. Just look now long IBOC has been worked on and where it is now. It is still not ready for prime time and the people who started this long ago had well intentions and dreams that it would work well while meeting good compatibility with existing receivers. Neither one of these issues has reached satisfactory levels and interfere with each others goal. I have my douts if any kind of high speed digital stream used to convey audio information will ever be successful and not cause signifigant interference to existing receivers. I think the best hope is to keep the transmittion conpletely analog and look to advanced receiver technology like Omega or Symphony to improve reception. Also you don't need a flat 15KHz response for good sounding stereo. Some FM stations and/or radios don't even have this. From my testing with mp3 encoding filters a lowpass with a 12.5KHz corner frequency with an attenuation of 12-15dB at 15KHz and everything truncated above that gives a good FM quality sound. This could be used for stations during daytime hours in less crowded markets and where the station density is too great for this a 10KHz corner frequency would be used. It is only the full time music stations that need the extra bandwidth while talk shows and sports do just fine with 10KHz audio. At night all stations would use 10KHz audio. Also It would help to use some kind of dynamic low pass filter to attenuate some of the irrelavent highs proir to transmittion. JSG From amstereorules@msn.com Wed May 07 16:03:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 23:03:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 99900 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 23:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 23:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 23:03:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 23:03:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 23:03:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SPANISH on 1680am Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EB70E33.43799B74@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 219 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >Has anyone in these groups heard an TOH ID for this New spanish >station on 1680 am??? This is WTIR formerly Travelers Info Radio Winter Haven, Florida. Spanish adult contemporary format. Remember, AMStereoRules From amstereorules@msn.com Wed May 07 16:21:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 23:21:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 8834 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 23:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 23:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 23:21:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 23:21:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 23:21:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1680 WTTM (& 89.3 WCNJ) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EB75F60.CC4E52F@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 327 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >I hope they do loose their License. maybe I will Get My transmitter >and antenna back from them. If the xmitter and antenna belong to you, and you have receipts, take them to court to get your property. Without either item, they are off the air. Then you report them to the FCC after 30 days. Remember, AMStereoRules From amstereorules@msn.com Wed May 07 16:39:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 23:39:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 55293 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 23:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 23:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 23:39:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 23:39:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 23:39:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: single-channel distortion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c313dc$209d04c0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1675 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >I disconnected one channel from the input of the processing >completely. Can't seem to get it to where the one meter is showing >on the modulation monitor while the other meter is completely dead You will never ever get the other meter dead, no matter how hard you try- there is always residual sound in the other channel with one channel driven. This is due to the matrix/de mattrix process. Read the difference in DB between channels, that is your stereo separation. Anything better than 25DB is excellent, ok? >Also had to bring the modulation down a bit. I was getting some >distortion in general, and I know that is probably because the >tubes aren't in tip top shape right now. Remember that 75% single channel modulation is equivalent to 150% when both channels are driven. This is too hot, and clampers in the modulator should take care of that. >They're the same tubes (all 4) that were new when I put the >equipment in back in August of last year. You should test your tubes in the modulator and transmitter monthly. Phasing is extremely important in the entire AM stereo process. It is used in the matrix, and then again in the transmitter. So tip top tubes are the rule. >and in stereo when one channel is dead it should be completely dead >to have the ultimate separation and reproduction. Yes I used to agree when I got my first CD player. By gosh that other channel was completely dead. You will never ge this with AM or FM stereo. >I will eventually take some time to sit down with the scope and the >manual and make sure that everything is aligned properly. Can we get copies of the encoder manual and modulation monitor manual? From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed May 07 16:43:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 23:43:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 83904 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 19:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 19:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 19:21:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2003 19:21:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 19:21:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Ripflash(continued) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c31403$2fa97d00$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.63.195 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > Dave,it is stereo, and has a little "S" on the display to indicate it- BUT- > it is very picky about switching to stereo. I could only get the stero on > when I was very close to 2 local stations. > Chris Yes I had to walk up to a local high spot to prove this. It's somewhat deaf vompared to my other FM personals so made me wonder for a minute. Very good MP3 rec and esp playback though From amstereorules@msn.com Wed May 07 17:11:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 00:11:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 34623 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 00:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 00:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 00:11:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 00:11:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 00:11:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Any new chips in the making? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 173 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >I used to know a guy who went around tweaking C-Quam systems to get >them to work correctly. IIRC he said IPM was numero uno on the list >of problems You mean Don Wilson? From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 07 18:42:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 01:42:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 82371 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 01:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 01:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 01:42:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 01:42:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 01:42:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: single-channel distortion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 807 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: =snip= > >and in stereo when one channel is dead it should be completely dead > >to have the ultimate separation and reproduction. > Yes I used to agree when I got my first CD player. By gosh that > other channel was completely dead. You will never ge this with AM > or FM stereo. You'll get 20-30dB separation with C-QUAM. (For comparison, the RCA system claimed 40dB separation, with a minimum of ~20dB separation under noisy/weak conditions.) > >I will eventually take some time to sit down with the scope and the > >manual and make sure that everything is aligned properly. > Can we get copies of the encoder manual and modulation monitor > manual? Been asking MJR for these, myself. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 07 18:51:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 01:51:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 46850 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 01:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 01:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 01:51:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 01:51:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 01:51:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: My two cents on Kahn's "Cam-D" (or $0.03 Canadian) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3702 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Maybe I flatter ourselves too much, but am I the only one who thinks that Mr. Kahn might have gained inspiration for his "Cam-D" system from directly or indirectly observing the discussions in this Forum? It just seems a bit coincidental that Cam-D is almost exactly what several of us have been proposing for years -- digitally enhanced analog AM Stereo, with a low-bitrate digital data stream to help reproduce the high audio frequencies more clearly than regular wide-bandwidth analog AM is able to provide from its current bandwidth allocation. However, when you stop and think about it, Cam-D is really just a sugar-coated version of the Kahn AM Stereo system, which the FCC rejected nearly a decade ago -- and in some other parts of the world, Kahn AM Stereo has essentially been obsolete since as early as 1985, as Motorola's C-Quam was more quickly made the AM Stereo standard in such countries as Australia. Still, I believe the concept of Cam-D is inherently viable -- however, *realistically speaking*, I think it would only have a chance of FCC approval if it were applied to the Motorola C-Quam system, rather than to the essentially-defunct Kahn system. After all, Mr. Kahn touts Cam-D's "compatibility" -- but seems to ignore the fact that it would be incompatible with millions of existing C-Quam receivers, and would fly in the face of the hundreds of stations that have made large investments in C-Quam transmitting equipment. Mr. Kahn also seems to be a bit too fixated on the "15 kHz fidelity" aspect of Cam-D, and completely overlooks the fact that as it currently stands, the 10 kHz NRSC/AMAX analog AM standard already offers fidelity so much greater than a typical narrow-bandwidth AM receiver that any average listener can instantly tell the difference and would likely be completely satisfied with the current level of fidelity that AM radio can offer in many real-world situations using current all-analog receiver designs. I'm lucky to have a Chrysler "Infinity Gold" AMAX-type AM Stereo radio in my family's 1995 Jeep, and on signals of at least moderate strength, it opens up to a good, flat ~9 kHz bandwidth, followed by a sharp low-pass filter to cut out the 10 kHz carrier whistles and any residual noise above that point. With its accurate NRSC de-emphasis and new-generation C-Quam decoder, it sounds absolutely spectacular, from both mono and Stereo AM stations, both local and distant, day and night. Along with comparable receivers such as the GE Superadio III and Denon TU-680NAB, if *everybody* could hear this kind of quality from AM radio every day, I think the whole issue of IBOC would be moot, since it would be a huge step *backwards*, both in the way it degrades analog reception and in the horribly artifact-filled pseudo-stereo digital sound it delivers. The best thing that could happen to AM radio *right now* would be for the FCC to do whatever it takes to help get receivers on store shelves that have *good* AM and AM Stereo tuners, so that anybody can walk into their favorite electronics store and buy a home, auto, or portable receiver with an AM tuner that sounds better than a telephone and picks up more than just static and a handful of local signals. *Then*, once this level of consistent quality is achieved, we can start thinking about digital enhancements to AM radio, such as adding Cam-D-like digital high frequency reproduction on top of existing analog AM signals, without sacrificing any quality or compatibility. So, I think Kahn's Cam-D is an inherently good idea -- but the priorities behind it are not as realistic as they should be in order for it to be a success. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 07 18:58:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 01:58:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 61975 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 01:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 01:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 01:58:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 01:58:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 01:58:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: single-channel distortion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1113 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You'll get 20-30dB separation with C-QUAM. (For comparison, the RCA > system claimed 40dB separation, with a minimum of ~20dB separation > under noisy/weak conditions.) Playing the single-channel piano intro of "Year Of The Cat" through my Panasonic AM Stereo generator in C-Quam mode, as directly received at 450 kHz on a Toshiba TA8124 decoder, I've measured 25 dB of Stereo separation -- and that's across the entire 0-10 kHz audio range. At the specific 1 kHz separation measurement commonly used, it likely would be at least 30 dB, if not more -- and it certainly *sounds* as wide as I've ever heard from AM Stereo. Considering that 30 dB is about as much Stereo separation as you can squeeze out of a Stereo LP record, I think that this is more than sufficient, especially since C-Quam's matrix processing tends to provide an expanded Stereo effect all by itself, so that it often sounds "wider" than FM Stereo, even if the actual dB separation measurement is not as great as what FM can provide (about 55 to 60 dB on the best receivers, and more like 35 to 40 dB on typical receivers). From eh@mad.scientist.com Wed May 07 23:30:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: eh@mad.scientist.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 06:30:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 71283 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 06:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 06:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc53.attbi.com) (204.127.198.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 06:30:26 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (h0004ac962bf6.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.34.138.93]) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with SMTP id <2003050805531005300fcsgee>; Thu, 8 May 2003 05:53:10 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Electric Brain To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Spin 'round the AM dial on Crisler Town And Country Limited Special Addition 2001 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 01:51:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200305080151.30331.eh@mad.scientist.com> From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61599074 X-Yahoo-Profile: eirikurh Arg, hear this: The MCS 350 tuner doesn't have the extended AM band. That interesting-sounding Bollywood station in NJ is proudly on 1680. My MCS tuner only goes up to 1620. Drat! Eirikur From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 07 23:45:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 06:45:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 92677 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 06:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 06:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 06:45:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 06:45:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 06:44:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: workaround for non-Expanded Band tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200305080151.30331.eh@mad.scientist.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 610 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That interesting-sounding Bollywood station in NJ is proudly on > 1680. My MCS tuner only goes up to 1620. Drat! Yes, that's my dilemma too. But, with the hard-wired Terk loop antenna, if you tune it just right, you can pick up stations on the MCS tuner at 900 kHz lower on the dial than what they're transmitting at (2 x its IF of 450 kHz). So, if 1680 WTTM is coming in with a strong signal, tune in 780 kHz on your MCS, fiddle with the Terk, and see what you get. If it can capture enough of a signal through this method, your tuner will have no trouble decoding AM Stereo with full quality! From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 07 23:51:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 06:51:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 31225 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 06:51:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 06:51:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 06:51:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 06:51:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 06:51:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Spin 'round the AM dial on Crisler Town And Country Limited Special Addition 2001 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200305080151.30331.eh@mad.scientist.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 350 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Eirikur Hallgrimsson wrote: > Arg, hear this: The MCS 350 tuner doesn't have the extended AM band. > > That interesting-sounding Bollywood station in NJ is proudly on 1680. My > MCS tuner only goes up to 1620. Drat! I was able to nudge up my TM-152 to 1680....but I'm on the west coasst. :) From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu May 08 00:40:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 07:40:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 12530 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 07:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 07:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 07:40:38 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.b6.1c9852de (2519) for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 03:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 03:40:32 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is FIVE BILLION, according to the Virginia Center for The Public Press. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From eh@mad.scientist.com Thu May 08 00:43:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: eh@mad.scientist.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 07:43:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 24366 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 07:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 07:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc03.attbi.com) (204.127.202.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 07:43:16 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (h0004ac962bf6.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.34.138.93]) by attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with SMTP id <2003050807233800300b7tase>; Thu, 8 May 2003 07:23:39 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Electric Brain To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Quantum modulation Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 03:21:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200305080321.58406.eh@mad.scientist.com> From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61599074 X-Yahoo-Profile: eirikurh I'm glad somebody's thinking about this. Pardon a quick question: In standard RF broadcasting, is there an actual flow of electrons to the receiver? I thought that the signal propagated as a wave and induced RF AC current in the antenna. My mental model sees this as a back and forth flow of electrons that "are naturally there" in the antenna. I have no problems with spin modulation, I'm just wondering how the signal propagates. It sounds like the "quantum teleportation" effect discovered a few years ago might be involve. I just love the elegance of quantum computers. Let alternate universes do the work.... A new technology like that, giving us a lot more channels with more bandwidth (making broadcasting and wireless data cheap) would certainly be a welcome thing. Eirikur From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 08 00:54:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 07:54:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 47880 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 07:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 07:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 07:54:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 07:54:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 07:54:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 501 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > It is FIVE BILLION, according to the Virginia Center for The Public Press. Globally, maybe... But in a nation of only 300 million, 5 billion would be *15* radios for every man, woman and child in the country. That's 30 to 50 radios per household! The figure published has been 500 million, and that, I think, is quite conservative-- I estimate 1 billion (~6-10/household, or about 3 for every man, woman & child). Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 08 01:05:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 08:05:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 32797 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 08:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 08:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 08:05:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 08:05:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 08:05:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Quantum modulation Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200305080321.58406.eh@mad.scientist.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1936 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Eirikur Hallgrimsson wrote: > I'm glad somebody's thinking about this. Pardon a quick question: > In standard RF broadcasting, is there an actual flow of electrons to the > receiver? I thought that the signal propagated as a wave and induced RF > AC current in the antenna. My mental model sees this as a back and forth > flow of electrons that "are naturally there" in the antenna. There is a flow of electrical energy, yes, which is why it's called the "electromagnetic" spectrum. However, the radiant energy is photons, not electrons, but they are converted from and to electrical energy, which a radio tunes and amplifys, so it may be received. (I'll be fair about this: I think there are several here who could explain this far, far better than I, and even correct me. I do not, and have never claimed I know everything, or anything, correctly. This mouse can be, and often is, wrong.) > I have no problems with spin modulation, I'm just wondering how the signal > propagates. It sounds like the "quantum teleportation" effect discovered > a few years ago might be involve. I just love the elegance of quantum > computers. Let alternate universes do the work.... The photon would be transmitted as normal, except it retaqins the spin encoded at that point on reception. Much the same as amplitude, phase, or frequency gets transmitted. > A new technology like that, giving us a lot more channels with more > bandwidth (making broadcasting and wireless data cheap) would certainly be > a welcome thing. Developing this technology would also solve one of the greatest mysteries of our time: SETI. Brief solid carriers have been found, but nothing consistant, and we have, at this point in our technological development, have no way of interpreting the received signal, since to an AM or FM detector, it has no information. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 08 01:51:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 08:51:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 98434 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 08:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 08:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 08:51:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 08:51:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 08:50:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Spin 'round the AM dial on Crisler Town And Country Limited Special Addition 2001 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 267 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I was able to nudge up my TM-152 to 1680....but I'm on the west > coasst. :) Yes, but the MCS-3050 has digital tuning... so you can't really tweak its tuning range. It does at least cover 1620 kHz, though, unlike some older radios which only went up to 1610. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 08 01:55:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 08:55:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 73349 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 08:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 08:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 08:55:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 08:55:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 08:55:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Spin 'round the AM dial on Crisler Town And Country Limited Special Addition 2001 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 471 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I was able to nudge up my TM-152 to 1680....but I'm on the west > > coasst. :) > > Yes, but the MCS-3050 has digital tuning... so you can't really tweak > its tuning range. > > It does at least cover 1620 kHz, though, unlike some older radios > which only went up to 1610. Ah, I was unaware this was digitally-tuned. Might've read it ands slipped my mind. Ah, well. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From fanfare@globility.com Thu May 08 03:57:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 10:57:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 14164 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 10:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 10:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.eol.ca) (205.189.151.1) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 10:57:37 -0000 Received: from MTS-XP-1 (ppp-RAS3-1-132.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.244.132]) by mail.eol.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0333642032 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 07:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200305080657340405.0034A088@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 06:57:34 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Marv Southcott" Reply-To: fanfare@globility.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Wouldn't 0.000002% of that business be something to look forward to ;-)) MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/8/2003 at 3:40 AM n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: >It is FIVE BILLION, according to the Virginia Center for The Public Press. > >73 and good DX from Eric >Amateur Radio Station N0UIH >Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN >Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 >DXing The World since 1981 >Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel >PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION >"For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 08 06:21:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 13:21:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 89386 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 13:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 13:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 13:21:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20030508132136.55743.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 May 2003 06:21:36 PDT Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 06:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kahn's Cam-D AMS & the FCC 'hands off plan' To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin T. wrote "but am I the only one who thinks that Mr. Kahn might have gained inspiration for his "Cam-D" system from directly or indirectly observing the discussions in this Forum?" No, you're not the only one, as you, JGilstrap, myself, and others, all have had visions of this sort of AMS through the years. The key is, a decent AMS radio negates the desire or 'need' for IBOC. There are only 2 reasons for IBOC: #1- Radio Stations feeling like they are "in control" of their signals and audience; and #2- greed of iBiquity to try and recoupe their R&D costs for a crappy artifact-ridden fake stereo AM IBOC system. There is no best interest of audio quality and RF health of the AM MW rf band, nor for the consumer's best interests. Mr. Kahn's plan is a good one if slightly modified to be compatible with existing AMS. In addition, since the FCC is so big on 'not regulating anything anymore' (like owning 1200 stations), why don't they be stupid (again) and "let the marketplace decide"?? They could continue to allow C-Quam, but then allow Kahn/H-ISB, allow Kahn CAM-D, allow DRM, and even IBOC and anybody that can stay within its +/- 10KHz bandwidths and maintain decent analog audio frequency response to AMAX standards? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 08 06:24:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 13:24:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 94039 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 13:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 13:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 13:24:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20030508132403.97997.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 May 2003 06:24:03 PDT Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 06:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Invite 'Uncle Leonard' to our plan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey gang, what do you think about us contacting our old buddy Uncle Leonard Kahn and invite him to work WITH us in maintaining/enhancing analog AM stereo? I know he hates C-Quam, but we could work with Lenny in persuading the FCC to let our buddy try-out his CAM-D system and fire-up some of the old Kahn ISB in the process? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Thu May 08 07:03:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 14:03:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 75708 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 14:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 14:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 14:03:19 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 08:03:19 -0600 Message-ID: <000e01c3156a$e4800e20$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:05:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know I know :) I just don't have a scanner and we're talking quite a few pages and the schematics are all these "fold-out" types that are the equivelant of 2 or 3 8.5x11 pages put together. Still trying to figure out how I'm going to do it. It's gonna be a bear to do. I know....I'm probably one of the few that still has the full manuals.....complete. if there's something specific you're looking for (one page or two) let me know and that I can probably fax to you. Michael n Wyo ----- Original Message ----- From: amymousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: Been asking MJR for these, myself. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Thu May 08 07:11:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 14:11:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 96721 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 14:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 14:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 14:10:49 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 08:10:48 -0600 Message-ID: <001701c3156b$f0659920$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:13:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know this is something that is probably right in front of me and has been answered, but how do you measure the db's of separation? Look at the 2 meters on the modulation monitor and when I have something in one channel only, look at the db scale on the meters and see where the audio is on the one channel, and then look at the other meter and see where the residual is at on that meter? Just curious. Michael n wyo ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion > You'll get 20-30dB separation with C-QUAM. (For comparison, the RCA > system claimed 40dB separation, with a minimum of ~20dB separation > under noisy/weak conditions.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 08 07:34:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 14:34:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 99938 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 14:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 14:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 14:34:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 14:34:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 14:34:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Invite 'Uncle Leonard' to our plan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030508132403.97997.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1496 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I know he hates C-Quam, but we could work with Lenny in persuading > the FCC to let our buddy try-out his CAM-D system and fire-up some > of the old Kahn ISB in the process? Mr. Kahn does (and perhaps always will) have his die-hard supporters, but for many others in the radio industry, just hearing his name does not conjure up the most favorable image. Call him the Ralph Nader of the radio industry, if you will, for his persistance to the point of arrogance. Also, there's a reason why he's never really had any corporate business partners... not because his AM Stereo system didn't have any supporters, but because Mr. Kahn always wanted to do things by himself. I don't believe he has ever licensed his AM Stereo or PowerSide system exciters to have the equipment built by anybody else except his own company, Kahn Communications. I would presume that Mr. Kahn is open to suggestions, but that's really all we can probably do on that side of things. However, working the other way, keep in mind that any station using the Kahn PowerSide system already has a fully functioning Kahn AM Stereo exciter ready to be used, literally at the flick of a switch. Thus, we can contact our local PowerSide stations and especially if they have ever used AM Stereo in the past, we can suggest that they participate in testing of the "Cam-D" system. BTW: Leonard R. Kahn c/o Kahn Communications, Inc. 501 Fifth Avenue Suite 2002 (20th Floor) New York, NY 10017 (212) 983-6765 From michaelj@vcn.com Thu May 08 08:31:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 15:31:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 25878 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 15:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 15:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 15:26:01 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 09:26:00 -0600 Message-ID: <003d01c31576$722b4b30$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:28:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THANK YOU! That's what I needed to hear. I didn't know exactly how good it would get. That's why I figured...maybe it just DOESN'T get all the way quiet ever. GOOD! That probably means that no, it ain't perfect but it ain't supposed to be. That this is probably as good as it gets. I'm not gonna bust my butt trying to improve it til that other channel is completely dead! :) I guess it COULD be somewhat better. On the db scale on the meters, when I have only one channel, the meter on that channel is peaking at about -5 db, the other dead channel rises to about the -20 db mark on the meter. So there ya go. Separation is roughly 15db, right? Sounds pretty damn good. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: amstereorules To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 5:39 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: single-channel distortion >I disconnected one channel from the input of the processing >completely. Can't seem to get it to where the one meter is showing >on the modulation monitor while the other meter is completely dead You will never ever get the other meter dead, no matter how hard you try- there is always residual sound in the other channel with one channel driven. This is due to the matrix/de mattrix process. Read the difference in DB between channels, that is your stereo separation. Anything better than 25DB is excellent, ok? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 08 08:41:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 15:41:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 31262 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 15:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 15:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 15:39:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20030508153900.84241.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 May 2003 08:39:00 PDT Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: KAHN Stations Listing Anyone? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Anybody have a list handy of the KAHN stations in 1991? These would be the people we want to contact about the testing of his new CAM-D system! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 08 09:27:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 16:27:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 73488 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 16:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 16:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 16:26:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 16:26:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 16:26:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Invite 'Uncle Leonard' to our plan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1927 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I know he hates C-Quam, but we could work with Lenny in persuading > > the FCC to let our buddy try-out his CAM-D system and fire-up some > > of the old Kahn ISB in the process? > > Mr. Kahn does (and perhaps always will) have his die-hard supporters, > but for many others in the radio industry, just hearing his name does > not conjure up the most favorable image. Call him the Ralph Nader of > the radio industry, if you will, for his persistance to the point of > arrogance. Actually, his ability to be a persistant nuisance was consistant throughout all three FCC evaluation periods (1959, 1979, and 1982), and may have (inadvertantly) sabotaged the 1959 AM stereo decision because of it. This, in itself, might actually work in our favor, because his effort to introduce Cam-D may directly sabotage ANY attempt at digital audio on the MW band. :) > Also, there's a reason why he's never really had any corporate > business partners... not because his AM Stereo system didn't have any > supporters, but because Mr. Kahn always wanted to do things by > himself. I don't believe he has ever licensed his AM Stereo or > PowerSide system exciters to have the equipment built by anybody else > except his own company, Kahn Communications. You're forgetting Hazeltine. And most AM stereo system developers -didin't- license their systems, except Motorola, which was why Motorola was as successful as it had become, as there were half a dozen transmitter/exciter manufacturers globally for C-QUAM, and at least two dozen radio/receiver manufacturers, including 2 or three chip manufacturers. Now, as to whether he got his idea for Cam-D from here, I don't know, nor do I think so, but the premise seems dissimilar to anything I recall seeing here before. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (~25 AMS systems found, and growing.....) From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 08 09:36:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 16:36:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 62975 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 16:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 16:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 16:36:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 16:36:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 16:35:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KAHN Stations Listing Anyone? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030508153900.84241.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 636 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Anybody have a list handy of the KAHN stations in 1991? These would be the > people we want to contact about the testing of his new CAM-D system! From that time, I remember that KSL (SLC, UT), KNBR & KFRC (SF, CA), CKLG (Vancouver, BC), and I think XETRA (Tijuana, BCN, Mexico for San Diego, CA- Kahn's own station) were all broadcasting Kahn's ISB system in that year, although KNBR and XETRA were bowing out at the time. (XETRA went to an all-sports mono format, and KNBR also did similar, but did have stereo Christmas music.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 08 09:45:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 16:45:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 23832 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 16:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 16:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 16:45:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 16:45:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 16:45:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn's Cam-D AMS & the FCC 'hands off plan' Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030508132136.55743.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1223 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: =snip= > Mr. Kahn's plan is a good one if slightly modified to be compatible with > existing AMS. In addition, since the FCC is so big on 'not regulating anything > anymore' (like owning 1200 stations), why don't they be stupid (again) and "let > the marketplace decide"?? They could continue to allow C-Quam, but then allow > Kahn/H-ISB, allow Kahn CAM-D, allow DRM, and even IBOC and anybody that can > stay within its +/- 10KHz bandwidths and maintain decent analog audio frequency > response to AMAX standards? Actually, I'm kinda expecting a total free-for-all insofar as stereophonic modulation methods-- Not the same as "let the market decide", but more like "go ahead, we don't give a flying fnarg anymore" type decision. And yes, Powell is hell-bent on opening up the broadcast bands even further, and handing all local media, broadcast & print, to the mega- conglomerates, and said as much that, just a few days ago. Deregulation, my fat mousie ass- More like desecration and destruction. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Trying to preserve all AM stereo systems from the forthcoming melee......Anyone remember the CB band???) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 08 10:03:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 17:03:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 42579 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 17:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 17:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 17:03:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 17:03:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 17:03:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KAHN Stations Listing Anyone? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1434 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Anybody have a list handy of the KAHN stations in 1991? I have a list from June 1985, but a list from just before the C-Quam decision would be more realistic in terms of stations that might still be interested in using a form of the Kahn AM Stereo system. I do know that 1560 WQXR/WQEW in New York City was one of the last Kahn hold-outs, using it right up to when they had to turn it off in 1994, mostly because the station's engineer was a friend of Kahn's and even helped him fight in court. After they had to turn off the Kahn, WQEW remained in mono until about 1996 when they finally "gave in" and switched to C-Quam AM Stereo. With that in use, they were NYC's best-sounding AM Stereo station until December 1998 when they flipped to Radio Disney, and the AM Stereo has not been seen on 1560 WQEW since, except for a few sporadic "test" broadcasts, perhaps when an engineer wants to see if the C-Quam exciter is still working. In NYC today -- Kahn's home city -- both 1280 WADO and 1600 WWRL are transmitting Kahn PowerSide. WADO even has a Kahn AM Stereo modulation monitor in their equipment rack, but unfortunately they are a Spanish news-talk station with telephone-quality mono audio, so any use of hi-fi Stereo would be wasted on them. 1600 WWRL still plays a lot of music and was in C-Quam AM Stereo from about 1997 to August 2000, so they would be the best choice for testing Cam-D in NYC. From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu May 08 10:09:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 17:09:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 59867 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 17:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 17:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 17:09:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 17:08:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 17:08:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200305080657340405.0034A088@mail.globility.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 510 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.57 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Doesn't sound all that exciting, that's only 10,000 radios, only a couple days production, what would you use the factories for the rest of the year? John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Marv Southcott" wrote: > Wouldn't 0.000002% of that business be something to look forward to > ;-)) > > MS > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 5/8/2003 at 3:40 AM n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > >It is FIVE BILLION, according to the Virginia Center for The Public > >Press. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 08 10:32:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 17:32:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 5007 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 17:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 17:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 17:32:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 17:32:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 17:32:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 403 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > Doesn't sound all that exciting, that's only 10,000 radios, only a > couple days production, what would you use the factories for the rest > of the year? My understanding of Fanfare is, all their radios are hand-built in- house, for the best possible quality. I am sure Marv would correct/clarify that. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From fanfare@globility.com Thu May 08 11:00:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 18:00:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 64173 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 18:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 18:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 18:00:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 18:00:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 18:00:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 641 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > > > > Doesn't sound all that exciting, that's only 10,000 radios, only a > > couple days production, what would you use the factories for the > rest > > of the year? > > My understanding of Fanfare is, all their radios are hand-built in- > house, for the best possible quality. I am sure Marv would > correct/clarify that. > > I think that's John sticking his tongue out Amy, but he can't find the hole. I think they call it "tongue-in-cheek" ;-)) Anyways, you'd be right. MS From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 08 11:02:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 18:02:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 82339 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 18:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 18:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 18:02:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 18:02:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 18:02:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WPTR's excuse Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1962 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Crawford-owned 1540 WPTR in Albany, NY used to be an excellent 50,000- watt AM Stereo music station... but for the past year or so, they've been broadcasting in plain, lifeless mono. Their excuse? Here's how the engineering firm that services WPTR explains it: "We turned off the AM stereo because we are receiving subtantial interference from a Canadian station at night, and were receiving numerous complaints from listeners in the North and Northwest, some less than 20 miles from our transmitter. This allowed us to set the carrier frequency precisely to 1540Khz, (it is fixed at -10Hz and phase modulated in the stereo mode), and set the negative modulation to 98% instead of about 88% needed to protect the stereo pilot and stereo modulation." I know WPTR is using a good, high-quality Nautel transmitter... so what kind of lousy C-Quam exciter and/or audio processing are they using if they have to limit the negative modulation to only 88%? They should speak to Neal at WTTM who is running -100% modulation in AM Stereo with absolutely no trouble. And the real truth about this nighttime "interference" in AM Stereo mode is that it was caused by Crawford's strange practice of off- setting the carrier frequency by about 10 to 15 Hz, as this engineer explains, with the claimed benefit of changing any "platform motion" experienced by fringe-area listeners into more of a "fluttering" effect, which they claim would be less annoying to hear. However, when the skywaves come rolling in, WPTR's off-frequency carrier made their signal nearly useless, even for mono listeners, as the "fluttering" caused by the mixing of WPTR and other signals on 1540 kHz would often render their signal completely unlistenable. So, they switched it back to being on-frequency along with shutting off the Stereo, and they think that killing the Stereo is what made the improvement, when it was really the correction of their carrier frequency! From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 08 15:31:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 22:31:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 69881 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 22:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 22:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 22:28:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 22:28:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 22:28:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 976 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Doesn't sound all that exciting, that's only 10,000 radios, only > a > > > couple days production, what would you use the factories for the > > rest > > > of the year? > > > > My understanding of Fanfare is, all their radios are hand-built in- > > house, for the best possible quality. I am sure Marv would > > correct/clarify that. > > > > I think that's John sticking his tongue out Amy, but he can't find > the hole. I think they call it "tongue-in-cheek" ;-)) Anyways, you'd > be right. Heh, with Mr. Byrns, it's hard to tell. :) And I'm glad that for once, I was right. I don't expect that often. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (I'll get to the emails soon.. Headache's subdued for now, and I think I have some time....) From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 08 15:31:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 22:31:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 23419 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 22:31:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 22:31:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 22:31:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 22:31:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 22:31:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WPTR's excuse Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 301 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =BIG SNIP!= I wonder why Crawford doesn't just align their stations at +/-25Hz and turn off the pilot at night? That'll solve some of their problems, and they can stay off frequency like they like to do. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu May 08 15:32:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 22:32:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 69621 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 22:32:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 22:32:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 22:32:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 22:32:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 22:32:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Quantum modulation Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200305080321.58406.eh@mad.scientist.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1304 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.114 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Eirikur Hallgrimsson wrote: > I'm glad somebody's thinking about this. Pardon a quick question: > In standard RF broadcasting, is there an actual flow of electrons to the > receiver? I thought that the signal propagated as a wave and induced RF > AC current in the antenna. My mental model sees this as a back and forth > flow of electrons that "are naturally there" in the antenna. > > I have no problems with spin modulation, I'm just wondering how the signal > propagates. It sounds like the "quantum teleportation" effect discovered > a few years ago might be involve. I just love the elegance of quantum > computers. Let alternate universes do the work.... > > A new technology like that, giving us a lot more channels with more > bandwidth (making broadcasting and wireless data cheap) would certainly be > a welcome thing. > > Eirikur It is electromagnetic radiation in a waveform. Both the electrical and magnetic parts of the wave compliment each other maintaining the intregity of the signal. Light is also electromagnetic radiation but in quantum physics it can be described as a photon particle or a wave but never both at the same time. This is a dilema in science at the moment as the complete solution evades us. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu May 08 15:35:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 22:35:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 16324 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 22:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 22:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 22:35:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 22:35:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 22:35:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WPTR's excuse Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 540 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.114 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 > wrote: >=20 > =3DBIG SNIP!=3D >=20 > I wonder why Crawford doesn't just align their stations at +/-25Hz=20 > and turn off the pilot at night? That'll solve some of their=20 > problems, and they can stay off frequency like they like to do. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ FCC only allows a =B120Hz variation of the carrier although they probably could get buy with it and the FCC wouldn't bat an eye=20 at it. JSG From amstereorules@msn.com Thu May 08 15:48:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 22:48:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 72476 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 22:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 22:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 22:48:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 22:48:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 22:48:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: single-channel distortion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c3156a$e4800e20$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >I just don't have a scanner and we're talking quite a few pages and >the schematics are all these "fold-out" types that are the >equivelant of 2 or 3 8.5x11 pages put together. Still trying to >figure out how I'm going to do it. It's gonna be a bear to do. Take it to a printer. Mario Orazio Remember, AMStereoRules Mario Orazio is a pseudonym of a well known engineer who wishes to remain anonymous. Send your questions or comments to him in care of this group. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 08 15:48:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 22:48:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 3268 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 22:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 22:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 22:48:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 22:48:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 22:48:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WPTR's excuse Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 739 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T."=20 =20 > > wrote: > >=20 > > =3DBIG SNIP!=3D > >=20 > > I wonder why Crawford doesn't just align their stations at +/- 25Hz=20 > > and turn off the pilot at night? That'll solve some of their=20 > > problems, and they can stay off frequency like they like to do. > >=20 > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >=20 > FCC only allows a =B120Hz variation of the carrier although they > probably could get buy with it and the FCC wouldn't bat an eye=20 > at it. True that, on both counts. Not like anyone would stop it, considering=20 today's FCC. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 08 16:07:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 23:07:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 94504 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 23:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 23:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 23:07:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 23:07:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 23:07:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WPTR's excuse Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 629 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 207.200.166.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > FCC only allows a =B120Hz variation of the carrier although they > probably could get buy with it and the FCC wouldn't bat an eye=20 > at it. Back in 1984, B.E. suggested that if all AM stations had their=20 carrier frequencies synched to a central standard, like NIST's atomic=20 clock or what we now have as GPS, nighttime platform motion would be=20 completely eliminated -- as well as the various beat notes and=20 fluttering effects that are caused even between co-channel mono=20 stations. By the way, iBiquity similarly wants all IBOC stations to have their=20 carriers synched to GPS -- I guess so they will all "hash" evenly. :-) From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 08 16:22:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 23:22:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 21630 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 23:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 23:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 23:22:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 23:20:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 23:20:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: single-channel distortion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 500 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > >I just don't have a scanner and we're talking quite a few pages and > >the schematics are all these "fold-out" types that are the > >equivelant of 2 or 3 8.5x11 pages put together. Still trying to > >figure out how I'm going to do it. It's gonna be a bear to do. > Take it to a printer. I think I've suggested a Kinko's or similar service before, but if I haven't, them I'm doing so now. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 08 16:36:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 8 May 2003 23:36:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 60768 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 23:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2003 23:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 23:36:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2003 23:34:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 23:34:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WPTR's excuse Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1128 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > FCC only allows a =B120Hz variation of the carrier although they > > probably could get buy with it and the FCC wouldn't bat an eye=20 > > at it. >=20 > Back in 1984, B.E. suggested that if all AM stations had their=20 > carrier frequencies synched to a central standard, like NIST's=20 atomic=20 > clock or what we now have as GPS, nighttime platform motion would=20 be=20 > completely eliminated -- as well as the various beat notes and=20 > fluttering effects that are caused even between co-channel mono=20 > stations. As far as I could tell, this can easily be done inexpensively, and=20 probably replace the crystal, by building an inexpensive atomic-clock=20 receiver (for WWVB, 60kHz) with a PLL control circuit to not only=20 maintain the exact frequency, but to act as reference for the local=20 oscillator of the transmitter. Doing this keeps the transmitter=20 tuned, at least by reference, with a reference oscillation of exactly=20 60kHz that could be added or multiplied accordingly for the frequency=20 of license, which would hardly ever drift. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 08 18:53:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 9 May 2003 01:53:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 9067 invoked from network); 9 May 2003 01:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2003 01:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2003 01:53:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2003 01:53:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 01:53:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WPTR's excuse Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 809 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics For what it's worth, somebody's putting out a solid blank carrier on 1540 AM tonight, with WPTR heard fluttering around in the background underneath it. I think this might be 50,000-watt Philadelphia daytimer 1540 WNWR "accidentally" leaving their transmitter on overnight. So far I haven't heard any audio coming from whoever this is, just dead air. I know WPTR was having problems with 1540 CHIN from Toronto -- that's the "Canadian" station their engineer refers to. But if it was that much of a problem, why didn't they just adjust their carrier frequency to be exactly synchronized with CHIN's, and then assuming that both stations have reasonably stable transmitters, the problem would be solved, without even needing to *think* about killing the Stereo at WPTR as part of the "solution". From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu May 08 21:05:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 9 May 2003 04:05:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 86946 invoked from network); 9 May 2003 04:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2003 04:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41015.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2003 04:05:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20030509040546.67187.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.35.75] by web41015.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 May 2003 21:05:46 PDT Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 21:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kahn's Cam-D AMS & the FCC 'hands off plan' To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Despite being born three years after CB really took off, I do know of the Chicken Band. "Bray-kur bray-kur Mousie, what's yer twenny?" Ahh, good old 27.185MHz, a.k.a. CB Ch. 19. Not that 75M has been in good taste of late. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 08 22:03:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 9 May 2003 05:03:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 84902 invoked from network); 9 May 2003 05:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2003 05:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2003 05:03:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2003 05:03:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 05:03:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kahn's Cam-D AMS & the FCC 'hands off plan' Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030509040546.67187.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 340 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > Despite being born three years after CB really > took off, I do know of the Chicken Band. > > "Bray-kur bray-kur Mousie, what's yer twenny?" > > Ahh, good old 27.185MHz, a.k.a. CB Ch. 19. Not > that 75M has been in good taste of late. *giggle* :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From n0uiheric@aol.com Fri May 09 02:40:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 9 May 2003 09:40:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 62920 invoked from network); 9 May 2003 09:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2003 09:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2003 09:40:07 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.cb.32da5184 (4340) for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 05:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 05:39:58 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Globally, it would be more in the area of 20-25 billion. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 09 03:19:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 9 May 2003 10:19:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 77114 invoked from network); 9 May 2003 10:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2003 10:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2003 10:19:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2003 10:19:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:19:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 817 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Globally, it would be more in the area of 20-25 billion. You have never been in a poor country, have you? :) It's highly unlikely every man, woman & child on the planet posesses 4 radios, individually. Maybe per household, but when many households have 3 to 10+, I doubt you'll see 40 radios. Most of the 6 billion people of Earth would consider having that many radios a luxury. (Whole villages in India, for example, are still served by a single radio and a single TV. Electricity is a luxury for most.) Semi-related, but while I agree (in principle) with your anti-IBOC and Clear Channel stances, I do think you're overdoing it. (Just one opinion from one mouse.) Could you tone it down a smidge? (a very tired) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (finds bed) From fanfare@globility.com Fri May 09 08:25:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 9 May 2003 15:25:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 38199 invoked from network); 9 May 2003 14:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2003 14:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2003 14:57:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2003 14:56:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:56:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Radios that would need to be IBOC'd Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 831 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy (Changed the suject line Globally, it would be more in the area of 20-25 billion. 73 and good DX from Eric ------------------------- How does this analog/digital debacle work out now. The eastern hemisphere is on AM-MW or SW; FM, and/or some form of Eureka E147 and/or DRM. The northern half of the western hemispher is on analog AM and FM, and/or Eureka 147 or HD-radio. The southern half will be on analog typically with urban markets using some form of digitality. It seems to me that DRM would be the most logical digital choice for long distance service which, according to what I've learned would make it incompatible with HD-radio. With that in mind, I think 0.00002% would be a tad greedy for us, not to mention a nightmare for any mass product manufacturer to plan a profitable production. ;-)) MS From michaelj@vcn.com Fri May 09 15:35:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 9 May 2003 22:35:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 86171 invoked from network); 9 May 2003 22:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2003 22:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2003 22:35:22 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.13]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 16:35:22 -0600 To: Subject: Aren't you glad you don't live here?? Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:35:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Hi all Though I'd post a few pics I just went outside and snapped with the digital camera. It's been like this all day long. And gee....I though it was May. Welcome to Evanston, Wyoming. These were taken right outside the front door of my shop. Follow this link: http://www.1240keva.com/winterpics Michael n WYO From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 09 16:51:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 9 May 2003 23:51:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 43624 invoked from network); 9 May 2003 23:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2003 23:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2003 23:51:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2003 23:51:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 23:51:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Aren't you glad you don't live here?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 564 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > > Hi all > Though I'd post a few pics I just went outside and snapped with the digital > camera. > It's been like this all day long. > And gee....I though it was May. > Welcome to Evanston, Wyoming. > These were taken right outside the front door of my shop. Been wintery weather here in the redwood coast of Northern California, too- Very rainy, with snow in the hills & mountains, and at least 10 degrees below normal. This has been one strange spring. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 09 19:14:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 02:14:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 46154 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 02:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 02:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 02:14:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2003 02:14:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 02:14:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC + full-quality AM Stereo *is* possible! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4044 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics A closer examination of the NRSC's report on the AM IBOC system reveals that it *is* possible to transmit IBOC and full-quality analog AM Stereo simultaneously! The digital sidebands of the IBOC signal consist of three parts: the "primary" sideband, located at 10 to 15 kHz away from the station's carrier, the "secondary" sideband at 5 to 10 kHz, and the "tertiary" sideband, phase modulated underneath the analog audio at 0 to 5 kHz. The digital IBOC signal is received in either of two modes: "core" mode, which provides a 20 kbps data stream used for monaural audio with a claimed 15 kHz audio frequency response, and an "enhanced" mode, which adds on an additional 16 kbps stream (for 36 kbps total) which can provide one of three things: marginal-quality Stereo sound, mono audio with improved quality, or 16 kbps' worth of throughput for data services unrelated to the audio being reproduced. Now, the way these two schemes come together is that the primary sidebands are used to provide the "core" mode digital audio, while the secondary and tertiary sidebands are used to provide the "enhanced" mode features. But what iBiquity hasn't talked about is that you don't necessary *need* to make use of the "enhanced" mode features, and can simply broadcast only a "core" mode IBOC signal. This means only the "primary" sidebands, from 10 to 15 kHz, would be transmitted -- leaving the spectrum space up to 10 kHz completely untouched by the digital sidebands. Thus, the same 10 kHz's worth of analog AM mono *or Stereo* audio could be transmitted without any direct effect except the presence of the primary IBOC digital sidebands from 10 to 15 kHz. True wide-bandwidth radios would receive this as a constant high-frequency hiss, while AMAX receivers and any other AM radios with an audio bandwidth of 10 kHz or less would not be affected by any noticeable degree. Of course, this does nothing to solve the interference that the IBOC signal would cause to adjacent- and second-adjacent channels. However, anybody who tunes in the IBOC station directly would not have to suffer with telephone-like 5 kHz audio and constant background hiss from the "enhanced" digital sidebands below 10 kHz. Except for those with very wide-bandwidth receivers, the received audio quality would be idential to that of a regular AM or AM Stereo station. And for those with digital IBOC/"HD Radio" receivers, the "core" mode digital audio would still be present, delivering reasonably clear mono audio. With a dual-mode IBOC/AM Stereo receiver, such as similar to Visteon's design, the listener would have a choice of two modes: analog AM Stereo with 10 kHz response, or "pseudo-FM-like" digital mono audio with 15 kHz response. And as you might already be thinking of, these two modes could be blended together in varying degrees, to provide good quality Stereo audio with separation up to 10 kHz and main "digitally enhanced" mono audio up to 15 kHz, which might actually be worthy of the description "FM-quality". Also... working backwards through this same reasoning, one can presume that it would be possible to transmit only the secondary and tertiary sidebands up to 10 kHz, without the 10-15 kHz primary sidebands present, which would deliver 16 kbps' worth of data throughput, *without* causing any great interference to adjacent channels. This 16 kbps could be used to either provide marginal- quality mono digital audio all by itself, or could be used in addition to the analog audio, for various enhancement effects, perhaps enough to create some sort of acceptable Stereo effect. The only catch is that this method of broadcasting IBOC would not be compatible with AM Stereo, and the analog audio would still be limited to the same 5 kHz as it is with the current IBOC system. However, this would be a "hash-free" system which would be much friendlier to nearby stations on the dial, and presumably could even be used at night without causing any great amounts of interference. From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri May 09 21:35:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 04:35:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 99262 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 04:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 04:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 04:35:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2003 04:35:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 04:35:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WPTR's excuse Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1504 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.121 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Back in 1984, B.E. suggested that if all AM stations had their > carrier frequencies synched to a central standard, like NIST's > atomic clock or what we now have as GPS, nighttime platform motion > would be completely eliminated -- as well as the various beat notes > and fluttering effects that are caused even between co-channel mono > stations. Would this really work? Well it would certainly eliminate "beat notes". I Hardly know what "platform motion" is, but I had the impression it was caused by co-channel interference causing the phase of the recovered carrier in the C-Quam receiver to vary, giving rise to the so called "platform motion" effect. Do I have this right, or wrong? If this is correct, you could get phase perturbations in the recovered carrier even if all co-channel carriers were locked to the same frequency. The phase of all co-channel carriers at the receiver would not be the same due to different propagation paths, and if the amplitude of the various interfering carriers varied as a result of sky wave propagation, the resulting carrier phase seen by the receiver would also vary, giving rise to the "platform motion" effect. I don't see how synching all carriers to a central standard would help this problem? The only fix for "platform motion" is for the FCC to prohibit the use of AM stereo during the nighttime hours. Give me Digital, or give me Mono. John From dav259@csiro.au Fri May 09 21:51:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 04:51:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 15026 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 04:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 04:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 04:51:08 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4A4p7716267 for ; Sat, 10 May 2003 14:51:07 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:51:07 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aren't you glad you don't live here?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 9 May 2003, Michael J. Richard wrote: > Though I'd post a few pics I just went outside and snapped with the > digital camera. It's been like this all day long. And I've been complaining with winter beckoning that sometimes our top doesn't get to 20 degrees (68 F). Ian Melbourne (World's most liveable city - tied with Vancouver where it's currently 57 F / 14 C. It's sunny in Melbourne - 77 F / 25 C.) From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri May 09 22:16:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 05:16:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 73638 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 05:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 05:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 05:16:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20030510051604.47361.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.219] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 May 2003 22:16:04 PDT Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 22:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aren't you glad you don't live here?? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well its fairly miserable here in Auckland New Zealand today Its rained continuosly all day and the temperatures remained all day on about 13 or 14 C all day (57F) but I guess its winter here with short days for the next 3 months.Isnt Melbourne cold in Winter?Michael BTW We have no AM stereo here-just lots of dull networks. Ian Davidson wrote:On Fri, 9 May 2003, Michael J. Richard wrote: > Though I'd post a few pics I just went outside and snapped with the > digital camera. It's been like this all day long. And I've been complaining with winter beckoning that sometimes our top doesn't get to 20 degrees (68 F). Ian Melbourne (World's most liveable city - tied with Vancouver where it's currently 57 F / 14 C. It's sunny in Melbourne - 77 F / 25 C.) Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri May 09 22:19:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 05:19:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 93577 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 05:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 05:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 05:19:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2003 05:19:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 05:19:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC + full-quality AM Stereo *is* possible! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1384 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.238 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: [Snip] > This means only the "primary" sidebands, from 10 to 15 kHz, would be > transmitted -- leaving the spectrum space up to 10 kHz completely > untouched by the digital sidebands. Thus, the same 10 kHz's worth > of analog AM mono *or Stereo* audio could be transmitted without any > direct effect except the presence of the primary IBOC digital > sidebands from 10 to 15 kHz. True wide-bandwidth radios would > receive this as a constant high-frequency hiss, while AMAX receivers > and any other AM radios with an audio bandwidth of 10 kHz or less > would not be affected by any noticeable degree. [Snip] > The only catch is that this method of broadcasting IBOC would not be > compatible with AM Stereo, and the analog audio would still be > limited to the same 5 kHz as it is with the current IBOC system. > However, this would be a "hash-free" system which would be much > friendlier to nearby stations on the dial, and presumably could even > be used at night without causing any great amounts of interference. OK, I think I understand now. The sound of the IBOC digital sidebands is "hiss" when heard while listening to the IBOC station, but they are "hash" when they are heard as interference while listening to adjacent stations. Give me Digital, or give me Mono. John From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 09 23:23:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 06:23:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 23646 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 06:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 06:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 06:23:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2003 06:23:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 06:23:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aren't you glad you don't live here?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030510051604.47361.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Well its fairly miserable here in Auckland New Zealand today Its rained continuosly all day and the temperatures remained all day on about 13 or 14 C all day (57F) but I guess its winter here with short days for the next 3 months.Isnt Melbourne cold in Winter?Michael BTW We have no AM stereo here-just lots of dull networks. Down in Wellington, Ben Lennard runs a low-power AMS station, I thought you would like to know. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri May 09 23:27:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 06:27:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 10094 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 06:27:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 06:27:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 06:27:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20030510062739.80674.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.219] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 May 2003 23:27:39 PDT Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 23:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aren't you glad you don't live here?? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Down in Wellington, Ben Lennard runs a low-power AMS station, I thought you would like to know. :) What frequency is it please? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 09 23:52:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 06:52:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 51128 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 06:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 06:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 06:52:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2003 06:52:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 06:52:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aren't you glad you don't live here?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030510062739.80674.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 342 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > Down in Wellington, Ben Lennard runs a low-power AMS station, I > thought you would like to know. :) > > What frequency is it please? From Ben's own site: http://www.lennard.net.nz/lennardelectronics/electronics/amstereo.html 999kHz Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 10 00:06:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 07:06:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 88546 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 07:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 07:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 07:06:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2003 07:06:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 07:06:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC + full-quality AM Stereo *is* possible! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 732 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > OK, I think I understand now. The sound of the IBOC digital > sidebands is "hiss" when heard while listening to the IBOC station, > but they are "hash" when they are heard as interference while > listening to adjacent stations. That's pretty much the way to describe it, because when tuned to the IBOC station, the primary and secondary digital sidebands are in the 5 to 15 kHz audio range -- causing the "hiss" -- and when tuned to an adjacent channel next to an IBOC station, these sidebands are received in the radio's 0 to 5 kHz audio range -- causing the "hash". And then there's the second-adjacent channel "squeal", too. > Give me Digital, or give me Mono. That makes about as much sense as "DANGER: 10,000 OHMS." From dav259@csiro.au Sat May 10 01:43:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 08:43:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 4296 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 08:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 08:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 08:43:37 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4A8ha725199 for ; Sat, 10 May 2003 18:43:36 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:43:36 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aren't you glad you don't live here?? In-Reply-To: <20030510051604.47361.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 9 May 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > Well its fairly miserable here in Auckland New Zealand today Its rained > continuosly all day and the temperatures remained all day on about 13 or > 14 C all day (57F) Sorry Michael & Ross - I was wrong (not the first time!). I got our temp from the www.wunderground.com site and maybe I clicked on Melbourne, Florida. I did a long coastal walk this arvo - believing what I read - in shorts t-shirt and thongs and nearly froze to death. Still it was 17 C and sunny. I should have got our temp from the radio! btw - have a look at http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=aus.radio.broadcast NZ hasn't got a radio newsgroup and lots of us Aussies want to talk about Kiwi radio. Please join the current NZ thread. Ian West Wellington From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat May 10 02:44:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 09:44:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 81061 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 09:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 09:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 09:44:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20030510094437.2999.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.97.2.242] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 May 2003 02:44:37 PDT Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 02:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aren't you glad you don't live here?? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What do you listen to over there? 3AW? Magic693(is it still on the air) Is 3AK still on or are they on 1116 now?We have 702AM blocks that out here-I'll join We have an LPFM list and a NZ Radio list but its mostly broadcasters who work on the radio on that. Michael Ian Davidson wrote:On Fri, 9 May 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > Well its fairly miserable here in Auckland New Zealand today Its rained > continuosly all day and the temperatures remained all day on about 13 or > 14 C all day (57F) Sorry Michael & Ross - I was wrong (not the first time!). I got our temp from the www.wunderground.com site and maybe I clicked on Melbourne, Florida. I did a long coastal walk this arvo - believing what I read - in shorts t-shirt and thongs and nearly froze to death. Still it was 17 C and sunny. I should have got our temp from the radio! btw - have a look at http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=aus.radio.broadcast NZ hasn't got a radio newsgroup and lots of us Aussies want to talk about Kiwi radio. Please join the current NZ thread. Ian West Wellington Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jim@burgan.net Sat May 10 04:02:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 11:02:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 15122 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 11:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 11:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 11:02:12 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-244-33.client.insightbb.com[12.221.244.33]) by sccimhc02.insightbb.com (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030510110212im200acopve>; Sat, 10 May 2003 11:02:12 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c316e3$9c0ef8c0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aren't you glad you don't live here?? Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 06:02:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >Michael n WYO >Hi all >Though I'd post a few pics I just went outside and snapped with the digital >camera. >It's been like this all day long. >And gee....I though it was May. >Welcome to Evanston, Wyoming. >These were taken right outside the front door of my shop. As much as I hate cold weather, you got it pretty good considering what we've had this week. We have had severe thunderstorm watches/tornado watches almost every day for the past 9 days, including a watch that just expired. We have used more paper in our EAS unit the past than in any week I can remember. Plenty of warnings too and weather like this just kills my productivity at work (I am the Chief Engineer for a 4 station cluster, and I voicetrack 7-midnight on our Hot AC). We've had lightning damage at 2 of our transmitter locations, not to mention the time spent covering the weather on the air. We had snow on the ground from a week before Christmas until the 2nd or 3rd week of March, and I was never so sick of Cold weather and snow in my life as I was this past winter, but it was still better than all of this severe stuff... Not to mention the SPC has us a in a moderate risk again today for severe t'storms and tornados. Fortunately, after today no rain/storms in the forecast for the next 5 or 6 days. I guess it woulc be worse... I could be in Oklahoma City (or poor old Moore, Oklahoma). F2 to F5 'naders almost every day this week.... From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat May 10 07:26:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 14:26:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 3282 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 14:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 14:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 14:26:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2003 14:26:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:26:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aren't you glad you don't live here?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 811 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross > wrote: > > > > Down in Wellington, Ben Lennard runs a low-power AMS station, I > > thought you would like to know. :) > > > > What frequency is it please? > > From Ben's own site: > http://www.lennard.net.nz/lennardelectronics/electronics/amstereo.html Someone needs to clue Ben in on the fact that AM stereo is just as old as FM stereo, having also been developed in the 1950's, if not earlier. Ben also doesn't seem to realize that you won't find an explanation of how AM stereo works on Alfredo's web site, that the only thing to be found there is Alfredo's resume, which makes no mention of his involvement in AM stereo technology. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat May 10 07:35:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 14:35:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 42468 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 14:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 14:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 14:35:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2003 14:35:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:35:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC + full-quality AM Stereo *is* possible! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1256 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > OK, I think I understand now. The sound of the IBOC digital > > sidebands is "hiss" when heard while listening to the IBOC > > station, but they are "hash" when they are heard as interference > > while listening to adjacent stations. > > That's pretty much the way to describe it, because when tuned to the > IBOC station, the primary and secondary digital sidebands are in the > 5 to 15 kHz audio range -- causing the "hiss" -- and when tuned to > an adjacent channel next to an IBOC station, these sidebands are > received in the radio's 0 to 5 kHz audio range -- causing the > "hash". I wouldn't characterize that difference in spectral content as the difference between "hiss" and "hash". To me true "hash" is characterized by other types of spectral differences. > And then there's the second-adjacent channel "squeal", too. What is "second-adjacent channel squeal", I never heard of that before? Is "second-adjacent channel squeal" an IBOC related issue, or a more general AM band problem? > > Give me Digital, or give me Mono. > > That makes about as much sense as "DANGER: 10,000 OHMS." It makes more sense than claims that IBOC isn't stereo. John From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 10 10:09:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 17:09:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 81693 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 17:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 17:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 17:09:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2003 17:09:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 17:09:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC + full-quality AM Stereo *is* possible! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 505 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > > Give me Digital, or give me Mono. > > That makes about as much sense as "DANGER: 10,000 OHMS." > It makes more sense than claims that IBOC isn't stereo. > John UNLESS the software for MW has had a MAJOR upgrade, the answer is no it's NOT stereo right now. Oh, the reason WSAI is not running IBOC is the software for the exciter kept crashing. Powell From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat May 10 10:41:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 17:41:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 61545 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 17:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 17:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 17:41:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2003 17:41:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 17:41:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WPTR's excuse Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2278 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > Would this really work? Well it would certainly eliminate "beat > notes". I Hardly know what "platform motion" is, but I had the > impression it was caused by co-channel interference causing the phase > of the recovered carrier in the C-Quam receiver to vary, giving rise > to the so called "platform motion" effect. Do I have this right, or > wrong? If this is correct, you could get phase perturbations in the > recovered carrier even if all co-channel carriers were locked to the > same frequency. The phase of all co-channel carriers at the receiver > would not be the same due to different propagation paths, and if the > amplitude of the various interfering carriers varied as a result of > sky wave propagation, the resulting carrier phase seen by the receiver > would also vary, giving rise to the "platform motion" effect. I don't > see how synching all carriers to a central standard would help this > problem? The only fix for "platform motion" is for the FCC to > prohibit the use of AM stereo during the nighttime hours. > > Give me Digital, or give me Mono. > > John If you were standing still there would be spots where if the carriers were the same strength they would completely null like what happens in multipath FM or completely reinforce each other. Depending on how you were traveling in relation to the 2 transmitters their would be null spots and there would be reinforced spots in that the received relative phase would change for each signal creating a very slow moving platform motion determined by the speed of your travel. If you were to travel in a circle with a fixed radius around one of the antennas so the received phase would not change the other signal's phase would change the fastest at the 2 points on the circle where you were traveling the fastest towards or away from the other signal. I don't think you could travel fast enough in a car to produce the fast moving platform motion we usually experience when the carriers are many Hz apart. The wavelength of the signal would also have an effect on the speed with the top end of the dial being 3 times as fast as the bottom end of the dial with all things else being the same. JSG From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat May 10 10:58:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 17:58:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 95112 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 17:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 17:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 17:58:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2003 17:58:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 17:58:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cam-D )was Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.251 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > wrote: > > > File : /pdf/cam-d.pdf > > Uploaded by : kevtronics > > Description : PDF document containing details on Leonard > Kahn's "CAM-D" system, which adds digital enhancement to the analog > Kahn AM Stereo system, and claims to deliver FM-quality 15 kHz > stereo audio without exceeding the +/- 10 kHz bandwidth currently > allocated to analog AM stations. While the Cam-D digital sidebands may be contained within the confines of the current 20 kHz AM broadcast channel, I can't imagine them not having a similar effect on the adjacent channels, to that of the IBOC sidebands. Leonard's petition was a little vague about the levels of the QPSK/8PSK digital carriers. At +/- 9 kHz, they are right in the middle of the adjacent channels, in the range of 0 Hz to 2 kHz relative to the carriers of the adjacent channels. I think you guy's will hate the interference caused by Cam-D nearly as much as that of IBOC, maybe more. > Be interesting to see someone dissect Mr. Kahn's claims, here. :) I don't know about "dissecting Mr. Kahn's claims", but I have some questions about his proposal, and the history of related AM broadcast technology and regulation. Leonard's proposal seems to consist of three major elements, first a core analog AM stereo system, second an added digital "fidelity restoration" signal to extend the audio frequency response of the analog system to 15 kHz, and finally a "slow-speed digital data stream". The first element of the system, the "core stereo signal" is the Kahn ISB AM stereo system, which has the endorsement of many "engineers", and which has been thoroughly discussed in the past, so there is no need to say much about it here. The digital "fidelity restoration" system is interesting, and reminds me of nothing so much as Zenith's 1980's compatible "HDTV" system. In that system Zenith added a digital signal to the normal NTSC analog television signal to provide a widescreen picture by adding digitally transmitted "side panels". The "side panels" were grafted onto the normal NTSC analog picture to produce a wide screen picture. IIRC, I think the digital signal also included some additional information to increase the high frequency resolution of the core analog portion of the picture. Leonard starts by questioning the use of 16 bit "digitalization", and the 60 dB stereo separation of the "pending AM DAB system", calling them examples of the tendency of the "pending AM DAB system" to "over- specify". Either Leonard doesn't understand the operation of modern lossy coders, or he is using the ignorance of others on this issue to cannily attack the "pending AM DAB system". Leonard does not specify the level at which the QPSK/8PSK digital sub carriers of the "fidelity restoration" system are transmitted, but it is easy to imagine that they could cause as much or more adjacent channel interference as the digital sidebands of the "pending AM DAB system", more disclosure on this issue is needed. Leonard talks about how his system uses a "frequency compression ratio" of only 50/1, while the "pending AM DAB system" uses a "frequency compression ratio" of 70/1. Does anyone know exactly how this "frequency compression ratio" is defined? I think I understand roughly how the Cam-D "fidelity restoration" system works in the "mixed highs" mode, but I am confused how it works in the "normal" mode, and why the 11.5 kHz high and low pass filters remain in what are the left and right channel high frequency audio paths in that mode? Could this be a drawing error, where the "mixed highs"/"normal" switch should have followed the 11.5 kHz high and low pass filters, rather than proceeding them? Rather than this hybrid approach to "fidelity restoration", I have to wonder why not go back to 30 kHz AM broadcast channels if 15 kHz audio response is really important? The Cam-D digital sidebands will probably cause much worse adjacent channel interference than 15 kHz analog audio response ever would, although it might me less annoying in some respects, as it would be of a constant level, rather than correlated with the content of the interfering program. My view is that an honest 8 kHz audio response is good enough, but then I have a tin ear, so I wouldn't want to force 8 kHz on everyone. The change from 20 kHz channels to 30 kHz channels slipped in while I wasn't paying attention, about the time that AM stereo came in. Does anyone know the details of why this change was made? I know that at least as far back as the 1950's, some broadcast stations had been petitioning the FCC to reduce the AM audio band width to 5 kHz, and the channel width to 10 kHz, to reduce interference from adjacent channels. I know WSM was one of these stations, I have a paper on this subject by the WSM engineering staff somewhere around here, from about the 1960 time frame. The "slow-speed digital data stream" in Cam-D brings to mind a lot of questions about the history of AM radio data systems, does anyone here know this history? I seem to remember that there was some sort of AM slow-speed data standard at one time that didn't get off the ground. I did a web search, and found that apparently there haven't even been any proposals yet for an AM version of RBDS, so I assume the system I vaguely remember must have been older, probably from the time of the earlier FM data system? Does anyone have any information on other proposed AM data systems, and how they transmitted the data? Leonard's use of spread spectrum technology for the Cam-D "slow-speed digital data stream" is interesting. I am curious if he uses spread spectrum in Cam-D because of its inherent advantages, or simply because it was the only thing that would work with the Kahn ISB system, without making changes to the core ISB system? I need to crunch a few numbers, but there would seem to be a few other possible ways to skin this cat, some of which may have fewer drawbacks than does the Cam-D "slow-speed data stream". Give me Digital, or give me Mono. John From bjackson@indyradio.com Sat May 10 13:24:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 20:24:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 1826 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 20:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 20:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 20:24:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2003 20:24:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:23:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cam-D )was Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: >My view is > that an honest 8 kHz audio response is good enough, but then I have a > tin ear, so I wouldn't want to force 8 kHz on everyone. Ah, that explains some of your lo-fi comments, such as: > Give me Digital, or give me Mono. > > John ...And why you are one of the (few?) people looking forward to IBOC. - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - WGLD/WGRL/WFMS From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat May 10 13:43:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 20:43:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 40412 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 20:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 20:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 20:43:23 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030510204321.TOBI17907.fed1mtao06.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 10 May 2003 16:43:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:43:17 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Cam-D )was Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <073898E3-8328-11D7-8D7B-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner On Saturday, May 10, 2003, at 01:23 PM, bradleyj923 wrote: > ...And why you are one of the (few?) people looking forward to IBOC. > > That is a good question. Because, even though there are limitations to MP3s, WAV files, etc., EVERY comparison of Ibiquity's IBOC system sounds markedly WORSE than real analog files (other than those chosen to purposely make AM sound bad). And even those purposely chosen still sound better than IBOC on balance. Compare the IBOC samples with the reception I get from my TX-11B (stereo), Fisher (mono) GE SuperRadio III, other GE portables, my Delco tube radio, and even my Marantz 2215b, and the IBOC samples sound like absolute crap. Yet the IBOC sampes are supposed to be under ideal conditions. As someone who was once excited about IBOC, then fairly neutral, I find it strange for ANYONE who has heard the samples to think that IBOC sounds better than anything else available, at least as it is delivered by Ibiquity. Maybe I'm just missing something myself. I'd still rather have clean, clear mono than crap ... even if it does go stereo. And a recent Radio World even pointed out the MANY transmitters that just won't pass IBOC correctly, and you have a MAJOR problem, besides the interference problem. It appears that IBOC can only help those that don't need help. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat May 10 16:45:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 23:45:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 4022 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 23:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 23:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 23:44:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2003 23:44:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 23:44:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cam-D )was Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1777 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > Rather than this hybrid approach to "fidelity restoration", I have to > wonder why not go back to 30 kHz AM broadcast channels if 15 kHz audio > response is really important? The Cam-D digital sidebands will > probably cause much worse adjacent channel interference than 15 kHz > analog audio response ever would, although it might me less annoying > in some respects, as it would be of a constant level, rather than > correlated with the content of the interfering program. My view is > that an honest 8 kHz audio response is good enough, but then I have a > tin ear, so I wouldn't want to force 8 kHz on everyone. The change > from 20 kHz channels to 30 kHz channels slipped in while I wasn't > paying attention, about the time that AM stereo came in. > > John I,ve been saying this all along as way to improve AM fidelity but I also realize that the reduction to 10KHz audio did help the nighttime interference problem and in very crowded areas daytime interference issues as well. The area of 7.5-12.5KHz for music is what delivers the crispness and cutting it in half at 10KHz makes the top end sound a bit cheap. I have found that the minimum flat response for good music reproduction is at 12.5KHz with a reduced response at 15KHz. Few will notice a signifigent response loss if averything above 15KHz is omitted. This also probably reflects the frequency response that many stations are capable of without aggressive EQ compenstation. I don't know why the NRSC requirement made all stations go to 10KHz audio for daytime when many stations could transmit a wider bandwidth and not cause interference. As for voice based programming a 10KHz response does a very good job. JSG From bjackson@indyradio.com Sat May 10 16:45:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 23:45:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 28275 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 23:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 23:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 23:45:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2003 23:45:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 23:45:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Cam-D )was Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <073898E3-8328-11D7-8D7B-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1351 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Compare the IBOC samples with the reception I get from my TX-11B > (stereo), Fisher (mono) GE SuperRadio III, other GE portables, my Delco > tube radio, and even my Marantz 2215b, and the IBOC samples sound like > absolute crap. Yet the IBOC sampes are supposed to be under ideal > conditions. And I know, I know...What a lot of us have are not "common" radios...But why punish us for having a decent freakin' radio??? > > As someone who was once excited about IBOC, then fairly neutral, I find > it strange for ANYONE who has heard the samples to think that IBOC > sounds better than anything else available, at least as it is delivered > by Ibiquity. > I'm *not* anti-digital...Jim Burgan and I used to work together in the early-mid 90's, and I think he'd agree, I'm pretty up on new technologies...Why else would I have bought a DAT deck, DCC, MIni disk, etc. when they first came out? But, in most of those cases, the audio was *better*. That's NOT the case with IBOC. FM may work, but I don't see the real point of it. AM just isn't working. I know they say "if at first you don't succeed, try, try again," but come on IbiQuity...You've been trying and failing for years now! Give it a rest! - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 10 18:04:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 01:04:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 72797 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 01:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 01:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 01:04:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2003 01:04:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 01:04:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Aren't you glad you don't live here?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 334 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Someone needs to clue Ben in on the fact that AM stereo is just as > old as FM stereo, having also been developed in the 1950's, if not > earlier. Someone needs to clue IBOC-John in on the fact that Ben was referring to the C-Quam system, which was indeed developed in the 1970s. My kingdom for a troll-free Yahoo! Group.... From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat May 10 18:10:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 01:10:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 66868 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 01:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 01:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 01:10:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20030511011010.58750.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.76] by web41202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 May 2003 18:10:10 PDT Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Skip To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can AM Stereo sound ok on skip? If it does it means Australia could be listened to from New Zealand-anyway we can get the eastcoast on the right nights and what sort of reciever can be obtained in NZ for AMS?Michael Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 10 18:21:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 01:21:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 86547 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 01:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 01:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 01:21:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2003 01:21:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 01:21:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC + full-quality AM Stereo *is* possible! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 998 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I wouldn't characterize that difference in spectral content as the > difference between "hiss" and "hash". To me true "hash" is > characterized by other types of spectral differences. Listen to a strong local IBOC station (like I can every day from WOR) and you'll know the difference. > What is "second-adjacent channel squeal", I never heard of that > before? Is "second-adjacent channel squeal" an IBOC related issue, > or a more general AM band problem? IBOC's primary +/- 10-15 kHz sideband becomes heard as noise in the 5-10 kHz audio region when tuned to a second adjacent channel (20 kHz away from the IBOC station), with a distinct "squealing" effect to it, especially on wide-bandwidth receivers. > It makes more sense than claims that IBOC isn't stereo. IBOC on the AM band only offers stereo separation in the audio range of 400 Hz to 4 kHz. Thus, only about a quarter of IBOC's 15 kHz total audio response has any stereo separation to it -- the rest is pure mono. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat May 10 18:33:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 01:33:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 65800 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 01:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 01:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 01:33:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20030511013354.96563.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.22.34] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 May 2003 18:33:54 PDT Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Winter of 2002-2003 was the worst - and the spring ain't so good neither! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jim Burgan wrote about the long winter, to which I reply: You're right about this past winter in the Midwest Jim - a Thanksgiving snowstorm, and then another one on Christmas and then the snow never once left the ground until just after St. Patrick's Day - I thought I was the only one in the Great Lakes Region that thought that this was the world's longest winter - as it was! After this terrible 6-month long winter, finally some decent normal weather until last night when we had 6 simultaneous warnings on the NOAA weather radio all at once! After this cold front the temp will be over 20 degrees (F) below normal for this time of the year :( But the worst part - it makes tons of static crashes on CFCO's beautiful stereo AM signal! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 10 18:42:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 01:42:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 62381 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 01:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 01:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 01:42:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2003 01:42:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 01:42:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: ADA Multi-Tuner w/AM Stereo on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1091 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's one of the more interesting AM Stereo-equipped high-end tuners, the Audio Design Associates (ADA) MT-3000 "Multi-Tuner": http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3023294788 The MT-3000 can accomodate three separate tuner modules, with AM Stereo, FM Stereo, TV Stereo, and Shortwave modules available. This particular one has one AM Stereo and two FM Stereo modules installed. ADA's specs for the AM Stereo module include 520-1730 kHz tuning (with 10 or 1 kHz tuning steps), 25-10,000 Hz audio response in "Normal" mode and 25-15,000 Hz response in "Wide" mode, 35 dB Stereo separation, and switchable 10 kHz notch filter. The MT-3000 appears to use Motorola's MC13022 C-Quam decoder chip with improved audio quality and automatic Stereo blend of weak/unstable signals. Its FM tuner is also unique, with a tuning range of 87.3 to 108.7 MHz and fine tuning steps of 10 kHz (so you can tune 100.01, 100.02, 100.03, etc.). Apparently, the MT-3000 is still in production, so it joins Fanfare's FTA-100P in the small group of high-end receivers with AM Stereo. From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat May 10 18:56:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 01:56:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 57645 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 01:56:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 01:56:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 01:56:55 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030511015651.UIYL17401.fed1mtao08.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 10 May 2003 21:56:51 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:56:54 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} ADA Multi-Tuner w/AM Stereo on eBay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner 25 - 10,000 in normal mode; 25 - 15,000 in wide mode. WE'RE READY FOR HI-FI 30 KHz SPACING!!!!! On Saturday, May 10, 2003, at 06:42 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > Here's one of the more interesting AM Stereo-equipped high-end > tuners, the Audio Design Associates (ADA) MT-3000 "Multi-Tuner": > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3023294788 > From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 10 19:35:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 02:35:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 38118 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 02:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 02:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 02:35:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2003 02:35:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 02:35:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Skip Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030511011010.58750.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 770 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Can AM Stereo sound ok on skip? If it does it means Australia could be listened to from New Zealand-anyway we can get the eastcoast on the right nights and what sort of reciever can be obtained in NZ for AMS?Michael Very much so, yes. The longest DX in AM stereo I ever had was over 2000 miles. 1000+ miles aren't all that uncommon, but it does depend on the station's power, to some degree. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumeurope/files/RSX_Wideband_S tereo_2am_27th_April_2003.wma The above was recorded in England of a station in Italy, over 1000 miles. (You might need to copy and splice the URL together, and join the group to download it.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat May 10 20:06:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 03:06:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 97779 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 03:06:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 03:06:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 03:06:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2003 03:06:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 03:06:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC + full-quality AM Stereo *is* possible! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 387 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.53 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > And then there's the second-adjacent channel "squeal", too. > > What is "second-adjacent channel squeal", I never heard of that > before? Is "second-adjacent channel squeal" an IBOC related issue, or > a more general AM band problem? > I guess you could call it a SQueaL Server for the AM band ;-) JSG From alinton@iol.ie Sat May 10 20:29:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 03:29:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 64006 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 03:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 03:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davros) (194.165.175.124) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 03:29:26 -0000 Received: from Spooler by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO000051; 11 May 03 04:29:27 +0100 Received: from spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 11 May 03 04:28:56 +0100 Received: from FR1.totalbroadcast.net (192.168.0.1) by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG00004E; 11 May 03 04:28:49 +0100 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030511042757.03817760@fr1> X-Sender: alinton@fr1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 04:28:46 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ford card stereos AMS? In-Reply-To: References: <20030509040546.67187.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Hi all, Does anyone know if any Ford car radios feature AMS? thanks >---------------------------------- Andy Linton Waterford, Ireland ************************************************************** Scanned by MailScan Content-Security and Anti-Virus Software. Visit http://www.mwti.net for more info on eScan and MailScan. ************************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat May 10 21:31:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 04:31:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 55948 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 04:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 04:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41015.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 04:31:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20030511043156.59516.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.18.203] by web41015.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 May 2003 21:31:56 PDT Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 21:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ¿Donde esta Chris Cuff? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030511042757.03817760@fr1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Does anyone know where he is? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 10 23:34:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 06:34:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 78281 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 06:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 06:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 06:34:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2003 06:34:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 06:34:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ford card stereos AMS? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030511042757.03817760@fr1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 340 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Andy Linton wrote: > > >Hi all, > > Does anyone know if any Ford car radios feature AMS? Ford (which presently uses Visteon radios) have had AMS continuously since the mid-80s, and still do in some of their higher-end cars.....at least here in the US and Canada. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Sun May 11 00:35:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 07:35:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 49170 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 07:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 07:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 07:35:28 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4B7ZQ721146 for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 17:35:26 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 17:35:26 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aren't you glad you don't live here?? In-Reply-To: <20030510094437.2999.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 10 May 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > What do you listen to over there? 3AW? Magic693(is it still on the air) > Is 3AK still on or are they on 1116 now?We have 702AM blocks that out > here-I'll join We have an LPFM list and a NZ Radio list but its mostly > broadcasters who work on the radio on that. Michael 702 in Oz is the ABC's Sydney metro station - 2BL. I listen to all the AM stations. Poor 3AK moved from 1503 to 1116 and is in an awful mess. The CEO (and biggest stockholder) recently wrote to the ASX trying to remove two other directors on the board. Instead the two directors removed him as soon as they found out. The interim CEO is the guy who created The Reject Shops in Melbourne. People are starting to call 3AK Reject Radio. 3AW is as always the powerhouse talker. And Magic 693 is really doing great things in AM stereo. It rates competitively with the FM music stations. And the govt owned ABC station 3LO recently became the top rating station in Melbourne for the first time I can ever remember. It's great that an enthusiastic bunch on award wages can outrate their opposition overpaid "stars" on commercial stations. Can you give me the address of the NZ Radio list? Ian From dav259@csiro.au Sun May 11 01:04:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 08:04:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 16044 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 08:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 08:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 08:04:13 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4B84B722275 for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 18:04:11 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 18:04:11 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Skip In-Reply-To: <20030511011010.58750.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 10 May 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > Can AM Stereo sound ok on skip? If it does it means Australia could be > listened to from New Zealand-anyway we can get the eastcoast on the right > nights and what sort of reciever can be obtained in NZ for AMS?Michael I'm no expert on DXing - in fact I don't know what skip means (other than a white Aussie) - but I do know with the right equipment you can pick up AM stereo a huge way away. A guy in Napier (NZ) sent me a tape of (I think) KOMA in Oklahoma. It fades in and out a bit but at all times it's in stereo. This is another reason why it would be tragic if the AM band as we know it disappears. Ian From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 11 03:25:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 10:25:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 52251 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 10:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 10:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 10:25:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2003 10:25:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 10:25:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cam-D )was Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 455 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > I don't know why the NRSC requirement made all stations go > to 10KHz audio for daytime when many stations could transmit > a wider bandwidth and not cause interference. As for voice > based programming a 10KHz response does a very good job. > JSG I do. The exceptional over use of processing ( as is now rampant on the FM band) causing splatter. A cure ? Welllll hmmmm! Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 11 03:26:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 10:26:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 63503 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 10:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 10:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 10:26:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2003 10:26:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 10:26:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Skip Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030511011010.58750.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 132 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "w4opw" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Can AM Stereo sound ok on skip? YES Powell From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun May 11 08:06:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 15:06:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 38198 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 15:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 15:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 15:06:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2003 15:06:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 15:06:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Skip Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1195 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > On Sat, 10 May 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: >=20 > > Can AM Stereo sound ok on skip? If it does it means Australia could be > > listened to from New Zealand-anyway we can get the eastcoast on the right > > nights and what sort of reciever can be obtained in NZ for AMS?Michael >=20 > I'm no expert on DXing - in fact I don't know what skip means (other than > a white Aussie) - but I do know with the right equipment you can pick up > AM stereo a huge way away. >=20 > A guy in Napier (NZ) sent me a tape of (I think) KOMA in Oklahoma.=20 It > fades in and out a bit but at all times it's in stereo. This is another > reason why it would be tragic if the AM band as we know it disappears. >=20 > Ian An ISB system like Kahn's is best at maintaining channel separation during asymetrical sideband fading compared to=20 the other ones but the Harris system with synchronous detection would not distort under these conditions like all the encevlope based ones. The best would be an ISB system using synchronous detection and in transmittion would resemble a fixed 90=B0 QuAM with the L-R component audio phase shifted by +90=B0 JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Sun May 11 12:55:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 19:55:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 24220 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 19:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 19:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 19:55:54 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.149]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 15:54:47 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c317f7$6e86e100$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20030511043156.59516.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_{AMSF}_=BFDonde_esta_Chris_Cuff=3F?= Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 15:56:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I'm here..... just "limited"..... Dad getting ready for surgery finally, a lot to do now, unfortunately not about radio... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 12:31 AM Subject: {AMSF} ¿Donde esta Chris Cuff? > Does anyone know where he is? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 11 13:52:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 20:52:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 24140 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 20:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 20:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 20:52:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2003 20:52:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 20:52:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: AM & FM bandwidth Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1624 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I do. The exceptional over use of processing ( as is now rampant > on the FM band) causing splatter. A cure ? Welllll hmmmm! IBOC proves that with today's AM band in the USA, you really can't put out a signal wider than +/- 10 kHz without causing lots of trouble. The NRSC 10 kHz standard isn't the best for music, but with a good wide-band receiver and good, clean audio processing at the station, it can still sound fantastic in either mono or Stereo. Plus it eliminates second-adjacent-channel interference. That is very important for areas like here in central NJ where we have one station on 1430 kHz and another on 1450 kHz (both in AM Stereo, by the way!) that are less than 20 miles apart and are both non-directional during the daytime. FM is another story entirely. Adjacent FM channels shouldn't bleed over onto each other (at least if the stations aren't using IBOC!), but with less than perfectly selective receivers, they often do. And on FM, a more selective receiver doesn't muffle the treble response, it increases the distortion. Some new radios, especially car radios, are stuck in "narrow" mode all the time on FM and as a result sound quite poor. The really good FM tuners use a variable bandwidth, narrowing down the filter for weak signals but increasing the bandwidth for clean sound from strong signals. I've found that my 1996 VW car radio does that on FM, but this feature is extremely rare on home and portable radios -- a few high-end home tuners give you a choice of wide or narrow bandwidths on FM, but I haven't seen any with automatic FM bandwidth control. From amstereorules@msn.com Sun May 11 14:23:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 21:23:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 50722 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 21:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 21:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 21:23:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2003 21:23:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 21:23:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC + full-quality AM Stereo *is* possible! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 273 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >Oh, the reason WSAI is not running IBOC is the software for the >exciter kept crashing. Wow, if the software crashes, doesn't the station go off the air? ... Since the xmitter is connected to the computer by CAT5 cable. How did this get past the FCC? Mario Orazio From amstereorules@msn.com Sun May 11 14:58:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 21:58:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 59683 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 21:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 21:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 21:58:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2003 21:58:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 21:58:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ADA Multi-Tuner w/AM Stereo on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >25 - 10,000 in normal mode; 25 - 15,000 in wide mode. WE'RE READY >FOR HI-FI 30 KHz SPACING!!!!! Yah baby! From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun May 11 16:47:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 23:47:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 22473 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 23:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 23:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 23:47:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2003 23:47:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:47:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4044 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g In message 9561 the mousie mused thus, "What bothers me is this=20 dependence on chip manufacturing that we have all become. Once the=20 chips are gone, will anybody know how to make AM stereo radios if they=20 so choose? I am beginning to doubt that. I doubt there's anyone here=20 who can make one without using a C-QUAM chip." In message 9563 JSG attempted to reassure her with this, "I have=20 thought about this and it is not too hard to build a fixed 90=B0 QuAM=20 receiver from discrete components but adding C-QuAM with all the=20 enhancenemts necessary for good reception under marginal conditions=20 would be expensive and impractible for the hobbiest. Besides a QuAM=20 receiver maintains better signal integrity during interference than=20 even the 3rd generation Motorola C-QuAM Chips. C-QuAM sounds pretty=20 good when decoded as QuAM and isn't an issue unless there is a lot of=20 stereo in the bass." It seemed to me that if you have transistors available, it shouldn't=20 be much harder to actually implement a true C-Quam decoder with cosine=20 correction and all, but being an anacrophile, I was interested in the=20 idea of a minimalist C-Quam decoder that might be more easily=20 implemented with thermionic vacuum tubes. One simple approach I have=20 been toying with is using an angle detector to recover the "L-R"=20 signal, since "L-R" is roughly proportional to the angle, and an angle=20 detector can be approximated with a frequency discriminator followed=20 by an integrator. I wanted to investigate the potential performance of some of these=20 nontraditional C-Quam decoders, but I am too lazy to work out all the=20 mathematical equations that would be necessary to calculate the=20 distortion and cross talk, so I created a spread sheet that=20 implemented a C-Quam generator, and four different C-Quam decoders.=20=20 The following qualitative comments are an interim report on what I=20 found, I will report quantitative numbers for separation and=20 distortion as soon as I can add spectral analysis to the spread sheet. The four decoders I implemented were as follows: Decoder "L+R" "L-R" #1 full C-Quam Envelope Cosine corrected "Q" #2 QUAM decoder "I" "Q" #3 modified QUAM Envelope "Q" #4 Envelope & Angle Envelope Angle For a test signal I used a "left" only signal at various percentages=20 of envelope modulation. Of the three nontraditional decoders, the=20 QUAM decoder gave the worst performance, and the Envelope/Angle=20 decoder gave the best performance for both distortion and separation,=20 with the modified QUAM decoder giving an intermediate performance.=20=20 With a left only signal and 80% envelope modulation, the full C-Quam=20 decoder gave a perfect distortion free output on the left channel, and=20 no output on the right channel, as expected. The QUAM decoder had=20 quite a bit of "ripple" on the negative modulation peaks, which I=20 assume was third harmonic distortion. The modified QUAM decoder, and=20 the Envelope/Angle decoder didn't show this ripple effect at 80%=20 envelope modulation with a left only signal. Reducing the envelope=20 modulation to 50% eliminated the ripple on the QUAM output wave form.=20=20 At the 50% modulation point I would estimate the separation for the=20 QUAM decoder was about 17.9 dB. For the modified QUAM decoder=20 separation was about 20.5 dB. And for the Envelope/Angle decoder the=20 separation was about 23.5 dB. Don't let the decimal point confuse=20 you, the precision of these estimates is nowhere near as great as the=20 decimal points might imply. These preliminary results give me hope that a simple vacuum tube based=20 C-Quam decoder can be built that will give reasonable performance=20 using a frequency discriminator and integrator to detect the C-Quam=20 stereo difference, or "L-R" signal. Hopefully I will have some more qualitative results to report in a few=20 days time, after the mood strikes me to extend the spread sheet to=20 calculate the harmonic content of the left and right channel wave=20 forms. Give me Digital, or give me Mono John From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun May 11 17:13:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 12 May 2003 00:13:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 52585 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 00:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2003 00:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2003 00:13:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2003 00:13:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:13:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC + full-quality AM Stereo *is* possible! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > >Oh, the reason WSAI is not running IBOC is the software for the > >exciter kept crashing. > Wow, if the software crashes, doesn't the station go off the air? ... > Since the xmitter is connected to the computer by CAT5 cable. How > did this get past the FCC? > > Mario Orazio With some lubrication. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun May 11 17:52:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 12 May 2003 00:52:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 95461 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 00:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2003 00:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2003 00:52:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2003 00:52:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:52:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM & FM bandwidth Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2076 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.210 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I do. The exceptional over use of processing ( as is now rampant > > on the FM band) causing splatter. A cure ? Welllll hmmmm! > > IBOC proves that with today's AM band in the USA, you really can't > put out a signal wider than +/- 10 kHz without causing lots of > trouble. The NRSC 10 kHz standard isn't the best for music, but with > a good wide-band receiver and good, clean audio processing at the > station, it can still sound fantastic in either mono or Stereo. Plus > it eliminates second-adjacent-channel interference. That is very > important for areas like here in central NJ where we have one station > on 1430 kHz and another on 1450 kHz (both in AM Stereo, by the way!) > that are less than 20 miles apart and are both non-directional during > the daytime. > The situation in densly populated areas especially in the NE need this 10KHz BW all the time but in my area we have only 2 stations that are 30KHz apart, most are 40KHz apart and a few are as wide as 60KHz apart. For daytime there is no reason why all of these stations couldn't broatcast a full 15KHz audio. I feel that this regulation should be conditional depending on where the 2nd adjacents are by distance to a station wishing to have a wider mask. With a Kahn exciter in powerside mode this could be used to limit the interfering sideband while the other sideband could have full BW where there is only 2nd adjacents on one side of the carrier to deal with. This is a manageable issue and with the computing power and DSP technology this is a simple task. I would think that a few stations in the NE could have one of their sidebands extend past 10KHz for daytime. Radios with a wide ceramic filter out past 10KHz will have no issues dealing with stations 30KHz apart although with my GE SR III that has a wide LC based IF filter has issues with the 2 stations 30KHz apart in my area. I could imagine that in the NE this is a problem and that the GE radio is almost too wide for this market. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun May 11 19:06:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 12 May 2003 02:06:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 3110 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 02:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2003 02:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2003 02:06:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2003 02:06:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:06:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 6491 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > In message 9561 the mousie mused thus, "What bothers me is this=20 > dependence on chip manufacturing that we have all become. Once the=20 > chips are gone, will anybody know how to make AM stereo radios if they=20 > so choose? I am beginning to doubt that. I doubt there's anyone here=20 > who can make one without using a C-QUAM chip." >=20 > In message 9563 JSG attempted to reassure her with this, "I have=20 > thought about this and it is not too hard to build a fixed 90=B0 QuAM=20 > receiver from discrete components but adding C-QuAM with all the=20 > enhancenemts necessary for good reception under marginal conditions=20 > would be expensive and impractible for the hobbiest. Besides a QuAM=20 > receiver maintains better signal integrity during interference than=20 > even the 3rd generation Motorola C-QuAM Chips. C-QuAM sounds pretty=20 > good when decoded as QuAM and isn't an issue unless there is a lot of=20 > stereo in the bass." >=20 > It seemed to me that if you have transistors available, it shouldn't=20 > be much harder to actually implement a true C-Quam decoder with cosine=20 > correction and all, but being an anacrophile, I was interested in the=20 > idea of a minimalist C-Quam decoder that might be more easily=20 > implemented with thermionic vacuum tubes. One simple approach I have=20 > been toying with is using an angle detector to recover the "L-R"=20 > signal, since "L-R" is roughly proportional to the angle, and an angle=20 > detector can be approximated with a frequency discriminator followed=20 > by an integrator. >=20 > I wanted to investigate the potential performance of some of these=20 > nontraditional C-Quam decoders, but I am too lazy to work out all the=20 > mathematical equations that would be necessary to calculate the=20 > distortion and cross talk, so I created a spread sheet that=20 > implemented a C-Quam generator, and four different C-Quam decoders.=20=20 > The following qualitative comments are an interim report on what I=20 > found, I will report quantitative numbers for separation and=20 > distortion as soon as I can add spectral analysis to the spread sheet. >=20 > The four decoders I implemented were as follows: >=20 > Decoder "L+R" "L-R" > #1 full C-Quam Envelope Cosine corrected "Q" > #2 QUAM decoder "I" "Q" > #3 modified QUAM Envelope "Q" > #4 Envelope & Angle Envelope Angle >=20 > For a test signal I used a "left" only signal at various percentages=20 > of envelope modulation. Of the three nontraditional decoders, the=20 > QUAM decoder gave the worst performance, and the Envelope/Angle=20 > decoder gave the best performance for both distortion and separation,=20 > with the modified QUAM decoder giving an intermediate performance.=20=20 > With a left only signal and 80% envelope modulation, the full C-Quam=20 > decoder gave a perfect distortion free output on the left channel, and=20 > no output on the right channel, as expected. The QUAM decoder had=20 > quite a bit of "ripple" on the negative modulation peaks, which I=20 > assume was third harmonic distortion. The modified QUAM decoder, and=20 > the Envelope/Angle decoder didn't show this ripple effect at 80%=20 > envelope modulation with a left only signal. Reducing the envelope=20 > modulation to 50% eliminated the ripple on the QUAM output wave form.=20=20 > At the 50% modulation point I would estimate the separation for the=20 > QUAM decoder was about 17.9 dB. For the modified QUAM decoder=20 > separation was about 20.5 dB. And for the Envelope/Angle decoder the=20 > separation was about 23.5 dB. Don't let the decimal point confuse=20 > you, the precision of these estimates is nowhere near as great as the=20 > decimal points might imply. >=20 > These preliminary results give me hope that a simple vacuum tube based=20 > C-Quam decoder can be built that will give reasonable performance=20 > using a frequency discriminator and integrator to detect the C-Quam=20 > stereo difference, or "L-R" signal. >=20 > Hopefully I will have some more qualitative results to report in a few=20 > days time, after the mood strikes me to extend the spread sheet to=20 > calculate the harmonic content of the left and right channel wave=20 > forms. >=20 > Give me Digital, or give me Mono >=20 > John There are a couple approaches, one using envelope and angle detector where a limited signal is applied to the angle detector whos output is Tan=D8 and is multiplied by the envelope sighal with a 4 quadrant multiplier. This would provide a properly cosine corrected L-R while L+R comes from the envelope. While a C-QuAM signal detected as QuAM does show signifigant distortion with test tones, on actual stereo program material it is hardly noticeable unless you have heavy single channel modulation in the bass. This was pointed out by David Hershburger of Harris and that this distortion to the ear appeared as increased treble boost and not as distortion. While he pointed this out about envelope detectors receiving a QuAM signal the inverse is probably not much different. If you have a MC13020 based decoder, circuitry can be added to have a switchable C-QuAM to QuAM decoder so A/B tests can be preformed. It was after I did=20 this to my TM-152 that I almost always left it in the QuAM position especially at night for the synchronously detected L+R which was much cleaner than the envelope. This issue with being competely C-QuAM compatible is a lot of work for little gain. The SONY radios don't decode properly but still have good sound and if this is good enough for SONY then I'm sure that a pure QuAM decoder decoding C-QuAM built by a hobbiest is good enough for most. The Sansui system used an r'e multiplier to dematrix the L+R and L-R into L and R signals instead of an add/subtract=20 matrix to provide sort of a pseudo cosine correction. Although I=20 have not listened to a Sansui AMS receiver decoding C-QuAM, for=20 those who have could attest to the sound quality. I think most=20 people would find that a synchronously detected receiver provides better sound over envelope based systems for nighttime listening and also eliminates distortion caused by mistuning. I consider this a good trade off instead of having complete C-QuAM=20 compatibility. Isn't Excel great for a quick signal analisys. It will even do FFT to evaluate spectral content although this is more complex to set up. Since it handles complex numbers I have used it to analyze the various AMS systems as well as passive LCR filters. JSG From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 11 19:49:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 12 May 2003 02:49:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 48766 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 02:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2003 02:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2003 02:49:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2003 02:49:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:49:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 707 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: (in response to a little challenge I made, with both messages snipped for brevity- Both worthy posts) I'm beginning to think, here, that RCA's 1959 experimental AM stereo radio, which is in the "RCA Review" that's available on the FTP site, should be more than adequate for C-QUAM decoding (or for almost every other AM stereo system), since it WAS designed for not only RCA's AM/FM system, but QUAM/ISB as well, since its detector -is- a synchronous detector. This can equally applied in a solid-state receiver of similar design, as well. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 11 19:56:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 12 May 2003 02:56:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 14356 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 02:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2003 02:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2003 02:56:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2003 02:56:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:56:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Oh, and I'm interested in seeing these Excel spredsheets, too, and I'm sure a few others here, as well. There is an Excel viewer for Windows at M$, for those who don't have Excel, or don't want to install the full Excel package: http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx If there's enough room here for the Files section, why not post them there? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun May 11 21:23:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 12 May 2003 04:23:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 71809 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 04:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2003 04:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2003 04:23:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2003 04:23:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 04:23:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 839 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > Oh, and I'm interested in seeing these Excel spredsheets, too, and > I'm sure a few others here, as well. There is an Excel viewer for > Windows at M$, for those who don't have Excel, or don't want to > install the full Excel package: > http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx > > If there's enough room here for the Files section, why not post them > there? :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Oh, I don't know if I'm ready to post them. Some of them are works of art and I'm not quite ready to part with them. ;-) I may post some in a truncated version. I don't know if the excel viewer supports the analisys too pack necessary for the FFT and complex numbers. Some of the results are on my webpage at: http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo JSG From michaelj@vcn.com Mon May 12 06:40:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 12 May 2003 13:40:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 36073 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 13:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2003 13:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2003 13:40:50 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 07:40:49 -0600 Message-ID: <000d01c3188c$19815420$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Aren't you glad you don't live here?? Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:40:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Been the strangest spring here too. Can't seem to shake the winter stuff. We ended up with a snow advisory before the day was over with and ended up getting about 3 inches of snow or something near that. After the sun went down the roads got REAL slushy. Nothing closed, though. The next day things melted off and we had snow showers on and off. Then yesterday it wasn't quite as bad. And today it's beautiful and gonna hit 60 degrees. Go figure. If I snapped a picture today it'd look like a summer scene complete with me wearing short pants. (Yikes, THAT'S a scary thought!) Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: amymousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Aren't you glad you don't live here?? This has been one strange spring. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Mon May 12 06:58:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 12 May 2003 13:58:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 12503 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 13:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2003 13:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2003 13:58:12 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 07:58:11 -0600 Message-ID: <003801c3188e$86c1db20$5401010a@AM> To: References: <001001c316e3$9c0ef8c0$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aren't you glad you don't live here?? Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:58:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I'll take the snow over the tornadoes any day! :) Last week we had several "thunder-snow" storms. makes me REALLY nervous with lightning and stuff. I'm kinda protective of my precious AM Stereo equipment at the station. Afraid something could get fried and not be fixable. Then I'd be up (the) creek without a paddle :( MJR ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 5:02 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aren't you glad you don't live here?? As much as I hate cold weather, you got it pretty good considering what we've had this week. We have had severe thunderstorm watches/tornado watches almost every day for the past 9 days, including a watch that just expired. We have used more paper in our EAS unit the past than in any week I can remember. Plenty of warnings too and weather like this just kills my productivity at work (I am the Chief Engineer for a 4 station cluster, and I voicetrack 7-midnight on our Hot AC). We've had lightning damage at 2 of our transmitter locations, not to mention the time spent covering the weather on the air. We had snow on the ground from a week before Christmas until the 2nd or 3rd week of March, and I was never so sick of Cold weather and snow in my life as I was this past winter, but it was still better than all of this severe stuff... Not to mention the SPC has us a in a moderate risk again today for severe t'storms and tornados. Fortunately, after today no rain/storms in the forecast for the next 5 or 6 days. I guess it woulc be worse... I could be in Oklahoma City (or poor old Moore, Oklahoma). F2 to F5 'naders almost every day this week.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon May 12 11:12:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 12 May 2003 18:12:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 79413 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 18:12:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2003 18:12:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2003 18:12:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2003 18:11:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 18:11:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1271 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: >=20 > There are a couple approaches, one using envelope and angle > detector where a limited signal is applied to the angle detector > whos output is Tan=D8 and is multiplied by the envelope sighal with > a 4 quadrant multiplier. This would provide a properly cosine > corrected L-R while L+R comes from the envelope. I should have known my results with the Envelope and Angle signals was=20 too good to be true. On rechecking my work, I see that somehow I=20 managed to multiply the angle signal by the envelope, rather than=20 using the pure angle signal as I had intended. When the equations are=20 modified to reflect this, the envelope & angle approach drops, from=20 way out in front of the pack, to last place in performance for non=20 traditional C-Quam decoders, behind even the pure Quam approach. I=20 think the envelope times the angle worked so well because for smaller=20 angles, =D8 is a fair approximation for Tan(=D8). I guess it's back to=20 the drawing board, to see if I can figure out a way of generating a=20 signal proportional to the angle times the envelope, that is as simple=20 as generating a pure angle signal, although I am not hopeful, but=20 first I need to brush up on my calculus. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon May 12 11:33:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 12 May 2003 18:33:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 85019 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 18:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2003 18:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2003 18:33:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2003 18:15:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 18:15:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 716 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > I'm beginning to think, here, that RCA's 1959 experimental AM stereo > radio, which is in the "RCA Review" that's available on the FTP > site, should be more than adequate for C-QUAM decoding (or for > almost every other AM stereo system), since it WAS designed for not > only RCA's AM/FM system, but QUAM/ISB as well, since its detector > -is- a synchronous detector. I can't find any mention in the RCA paper of a receiver with a "synchronous detector", can you point me to the page where this is mentioned in connection with one of RCA's receiver designs? Also I don't follow how the RCA receiver would decode ISB? John From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 12 12:06:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 12 May 2003 19:06:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 15382 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 19:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2003 19:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2003 19:06:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2003 19:05:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 19:05:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1107 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > > > I'm beginning to think, here, that RCA's 1959 experimental AM stereo > > radio, which is in the "RCA Review" that's available on the FTP > > site, should be more than adequate for C-QUAM decoding (or for > > almost every other AM stereo system), since it WAS designed for not > > only RCA's AM/FM system, but QUAM/ISB as well, since its detector > > -is- a synchronous detector. > > > I can't find any mention in the RCA paper of a receiver with a > "synchronous detector", can you point me to the page where this is > mentioned in connection with one of RCA's receiver designs? Also I > don't follow how the RCA receiver would decode ISB? Back when this was first noted here, a few months ago, it was pointed out that the schematic from p. 324 has a sync detector. Looking at it, this would be the circuitry off of V3-A/B, a 6AL5. I'm sure others who read tube-based schematics better than I could correct me. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon May 12 13:54:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 12 May 2003 20:54:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 69728 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 20:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2003 20:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2003 20:54:52 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.f.112038ff (30970) for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 16:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:53:57 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios that would need to be IBOC'd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't give in to corporate greed...KEEP AM AND FM ANALOG ONLY! There should be a SEPARATE BAND for digital radio. We don't need our airwaves desecrated by low-quality digital radio! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon May 12 13:56:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 12 May 2003 20:56:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 18690 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 20:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2003 20:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2003 20:56:39 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.19d.14d6bb7a (30970) for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 16:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19d.14d6bb7a.2bf163e3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:53:55 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC + full-quality AM Stereo *is* possible! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This report IS A FABRICATION. We all should know that stations CANNOT TRANSMIT AM Stereo and the crappy IBOC system simultaneously. The only choice is C-QUAM; REJECT IBOC-DAB! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 12 15:31:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 12 May 2003 22:31:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 42717 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 22:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2003 22:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2003 22:31:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2003 22:31:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:31:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC + full-quality AM Stereo *is* possible! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19d.14d6bb7a.2bf163e3@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 207.200.161.234 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This report IS A FABRICATION. We all should know that stations > CANNOT TRANSMIT AM Stereo and the crappy IBOC system > simultaneously. The only choice is C-QUAM; REJECT IBOC-DAB! Who "fabricated" what? It is entirely possible to transmit full- bandwidth C-Quam AM Stereo and core-mode IBOC simultaneously. I'm not saying I *endorse* this mode of operation -- but it *is* possible! From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 12 17:56:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 00:56:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 57592 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 00:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 00:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 00:56:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 00:56:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 00:56:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios that would need to be IBOC'd Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 489 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Don't give in to corporate greed...KEEP AM AND FM ANALOG ONLY! There should > be a SEPARATE BAND for digital radio. We don't need our airwaves desecrated > by low-quality digital radio! There should be a movement to get Eureka 147 into the US. In the Eureka proposal, there is -nothing- that says the system must be in Band III or L-Band, as is presently implemented. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (A somewhat less dogmatic mousie.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 12 18:09:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 01:09:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 92808 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 01:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 01:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 01:09:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 01:09:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 01:09:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FCC proposal to ease restriction rules (Yahoo! News) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 139 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030512/ap_on_bi_ge/media_ownership_6 (Cut & paste as appropriate.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon May 12 23:51:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 06:51:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 94704 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 06:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 06:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 06:51:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 06:51:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 06:51:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1622 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > >=20 > > There are a couple approaches, one using envelope and angle > > detector where a limited signal is applied to the angle detector > > whos output is Tan=D8 and is multiplied by the envelope sighal with > > a 4 quadrant multiplier. This would provide a properly cosine > > corrected L-R while L+R comes from the envelope. >=20 >=20 > I should have known my results with the Envelope and Angle signals was=20 > too good to be true. On rechecking my work, I see that somehow I=20 > managed to multiply the angle signal by the envelope, rather than=20 > using the pure angle signal as I had intended. When the equations are=20 > modified to reflect this, the envelope & angle approach drops, from=20 > way out in front of the pack, to last place in performance for non=20 > traditional C-Quam decoders, behind even the pure Quam approach. I=20 > think the envelope times the angle worked so well because for smaller=20 > angles, =D8 is a fair approximation for Tan(=D8). I guess it's back to=20 > the drawing board, to see if I can figure out a way of generating a=20 > signal proportional to the angle times the envelope, that is as simple=20 > as generating a pure angle signal, although I am not hopeful, but=20 > first I need to brush up on my calculus. >=20 > John Here is a block diagram of how I would approach it. With most of the design fairly straigntforward it is in providing an accurate=20 Tan=D8 output that is difficult. http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/SimpleCQuAMDecoder.gif JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 13 00:09:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 07:09:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 45379 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 07:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 07:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 07:09:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 07:09:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:09:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 996 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Here is a block diagram of how I would approach it. With most of > the design fairly straigntforward it is in providing an accurate=20 > Tan=D8 output that is difficult. > http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/SimpleCQuAMDecoder.gif I wonder what decoder chip my Sony SRF-A300 uses. It is a typical=20 Sony "forced Stereo" dial-tuning radio, however, it does do proper=20 C-Quam decoding. I verified this with my multi-system AM Stereo=20 generator -- the received distortion is at the lowest when=20 transmitting in C-Quam mode, unlike other Sony radios which work best with the Magnavox system (including the SRF-42). But I don't know if the SRF-A300 uses a Motorola or Toshiba C-Quam=20 decoder modified for forced-Stereo operation, or if it uses one of=20 Sony's own designs. But in that case wouldn't they have to license=20 the Cosine Correction circuitry from Motorola? Sort of like how if=20 you want to make a real MTS TV Stereo receiver you need the DBX=20 decoder which is a proprietary system. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 13 00:34:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 07:34:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 72063 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 07:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 07:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 07:34:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 07:34:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:34:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1039 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > But I don't know if the SRF-A300 uses a Motorola or Toshiba C-Quam > decoder modified for forced-Stereo operation, or if it uses one of > Sony's own designs. But in that case wouldn't they have to license > the Cosine Correction circuitry from Motorola? Sort of like how if > you want to make a real MTS TV Stereo receiver you need the DBX > decoder which is a proprietary system. Actually, dbx, having been around longer than MTS stereo, shouldn't be proprietary at this time, expired patents & such. :) Same with CBS's (now Soney's) CX system, Dolby's NR systems and National Semiconductor's DNR. Just the trademark royalties remain on these. :) Insofar as cosine correction, I don't think it's even original to Motorola, just that it makes an implementation in C-QUAM (which, for what it's worth, is completely expired). I think even RCA recommended cosine correction for QUAM and modified QUAM systems back in 1960. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue May 13 01:33:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 08:33:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 50784 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 08:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 08:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 08:33:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 08:33:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:33:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1050 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Here is a block diagram of how I would approach it. With most of > > the design fairly straigntforward it is in providing an accurate=20 > > Tan=D8 output that is difficult. > > http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/SimpleCQuAMDecoder.gif >=20 But in that case wouldn't they have to license=20 > the Cosine Correction circuitry from Motorola? Sort of like how if=20 > you want to make a real MTS TV Stereo receiver you need the DBX=20 > decoder which is a proprietary system. Here's the expired Motorola patent which uses a Tan=D8 generator from =D8 but uses an FM detector and intergrater to obtain the pure phase modulation. At http://www.uspto.gov do a search for Pat # 4,278,839 . It doesn't give any component values and exact values would be needed for accuracy. You will need to check out=20 the images to see the schematic. If the LM1981 chip used for the Magnavox system was designed slightly different all that would be needed is to add this Tan=D8 converter.=20 JSG From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 13 02:56:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 09:56:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 92836 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 09:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 09:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 09:56:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 09:56:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:56:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1971 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > Here is a block diagram of how I would approach it. With most of > > > the design fairly straigntforward it is in providing an=20 accurate=20 > > > Tan=D8 output that is difficult. > > > http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/SimpleCQuAMDecoder.gif > >=20 > But in that case wouldn't they have to license=20 > > the Cosine Correction circuitry from Motorola? Sort of like how=20 if=20 > > you want to make a real MTS TV Stereo receiver you need the DBX=20 > > decoder which is a proprietary system. >=20 > Here's the expired Motorola patent which uses a Tan=D8 generator > from =D8 but uses an FM detector and intergrater to obtain the > pure phase modulation. At http://www.uspto.gov do a search for > Pat # 4,278,839 . It doesn't give any component values and exact > values would be needed for accuracy. You will need to check out=20 > the images to see the schematic. If the LM1981 chip used for the > Magnavox system was designed slightly different all that would be > needed is to add this Tan=D8 converter.=20 Reminds me, I still need to finish getting and sorting the various=20 AMS patents and upload them to the AMS FTP sites, although some I may=20 never get immediately without references. Of the early systems,=20 finding any patents for the CBS, EMI and GE systems has been=20 difficult, but not RCA, Philco or Westinghouse, and for the later=20 systems, I really haven't focused too much (I do need to), but don't=20 see any for Belar's modifications of the RCA system; otherwise,=20 finding the later ones should be easy. Found that AT&T filed two systems (quadrature and ISB) on the same=20 day, Dec. 31, 1925, only to have patents approved nearly 2 years=20 apart, in 1926 and 1928. I still need to check the 1941 AM/FM patent=20 the RCA system is based on. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Yes, I do read AM stereo technical papers for relaxation.) From fanfare@globility.com Tue May 13 05:10:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 12:10:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 78849 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 12:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 12:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 12:10:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 12:09:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:09:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios that would need to be IBOC'd Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 799 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > > There should be a movement to get Eureka 147 into the US. In the > Eureka proposal, there is -nothing- that says the system must be in > Band III or L-Band, as is presently implemented. As I understand it, the optimum frequency for Eureka 147 is around 325MHz. In Canada and other countries it goes into the "L" band. I've not read anything conclusive on testing beyond that frequency range. To me, the FM Digital system proposed in 1996 offered the most promise for on-band digital but, under its original configuration, would have wiped out the SCA band and deprived the industry of one of its primary cash cows. If you're interested, take a look at http://www.broadcastsignallab.com/white_papers/sbe96a.pdf MS From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 13 08:00:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 15:00:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 87088 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 15:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 15:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 15:00:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 15:00:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:00:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 905 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > National Semiconductor's DNR. BTW, I have a stand-alone DNR processor, and it's fantastic for reducing hiss and extending dynamic range from just about any analog audio source -- radio, cassettes, LPs, etc. For today's highly pre-processed music it's even good for adding some extra dynamic range to CDs, MP3s, and the like. Many good AM Stereo-equipped car radios also have DNR built-in, whether or not it's specifically mentioned. I know the AMAX-type Chrysler and Delco radios have it, and it is a switchable option on many older Blaupunkt radios (both those with AM Stereo and those without). One place DNR should be found but is rare is on cassette decks -- I consider it a necessity for playing non-Dolby tapes, and while playing a non-Dolby tape with Dolby B NR on does give an interesting effect, it's not nearly as effective and sonically correct as playing it with DNR. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 13 08:05:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 15:05:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 2736 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 15:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 15:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 15:05:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 15:05:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:05:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 186 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > the LM1981 chip used for the Magnavox system I know this has probably been asked before, but does anybody have the data sheet for the LM1981? Or any other sort of specs for it? From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue May 13 08:16:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 15:16:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 16647 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 15:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 15:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 15:16:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 15:16:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:16:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios that would need to be IBOC'd Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 538 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.63 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > > > > There should be a movement to get Eureka 147 into the US. In the > > Eureka proposal, there is -nothing- that says the system must be > > in Band III or L-Band, as is presently implemented. > > As I understand it, the optimum frequency for Eureka 147 is around > 325MHz. You must be mistaken, everyone knows that the frequencies below 1 GHz are not suitable for digital radio! John From fanfare@globility.com Tue May 13 09:21:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 16:21:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 63904 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 16:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 16:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 16:21:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 16:20:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:20:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios that would need to be IBOC'd Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 481 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.168 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: As I understand it, the optimum frequency for Eureka 147 is around > > 325MHz. > > You must be mistaken, everyone knows that the frequencies below 1 GHz > are not suitable for digital radio! > > John Mode 1 Eureka is for use with VHF frequencies. Mode II was developed for "L" band. Perhaps the following doc will help clear the matter; http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1995-02.pdf MS From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 13 09:45:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 16:45:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 82444 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 16:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 16:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 16:45:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 16:44:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:44:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1426 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > National Semiconductor's DNR. > > > BTW, I have a stand-alone DNR processor, and it's fantastic for > reducing hiss and extending dynamic range from just about any analog > audio source -- radio, cassettes, LPs, etc. For today's highly > pre-processed music it's even good for adding some extra dynamic range > to CDs, MP3s, and the like. I have thought that all radios should have a noise-reduction circuit, especially for AM stereo. I did once experiment with using a cassette deck's DNR circuit while listening to AM stereo stations, and thought it made a great improvement without losing the highs. :) Were I to design any AM stereo radio, a Dolby/DNR-type circuit would certainly be included. :) Here for more on National's DNR (download PDFs as approriate): http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM1894.html > One place DNR should be found but is rare is on cassette decks -- I > consider it a necessity for playing non-Dolby tapes, and while playing > a non-Dolby tape with Dolby B NR on does give an interesting effect, > it's not nearly as effective and sonically correct as playing it with > DNR. Odd, since I had Dolby/DNR decks, but then, I think there's a trend now to not include -any- NR circuits in any tape decks, and has certainly been rare in radios. After all, cheap first, quality second. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 13 09:49:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 16:49:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 20693 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 16:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 16:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 16:49:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 16:48:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:48:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 359 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > the LM1981 chip used for the Magnavox system > > > I know this has probably been asked before, but does anybody have the > data sheet for the LM1981? Or any other sort of specs for it? You're not the only one who wants to look at it. :) (Count me as one.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue May 13 10:16:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 17:16:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 85628 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 17:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 17:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 17:16:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 17:15:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:15:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2221 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > > wrote: > > > > > > I'm beginning to think, here, that RCA's 1959 experimental AM > > > stereo radio, which is in the "RCA Review" that's available on > > > the FTP site, should be more than adequate for C-QUAM decoding > > > (or for almost every other AM stereo system), since it WAS > > > designed for not only RCA's AM/FM system, but QUAM/ISB as well, > > > since its detector -is- a synchronous detector. > > > > > > I can't find any mention in the RCA paper of a receiver with a > > "synchronous detector", can you point me to the page where this is > > mentioned in connection with one of RCA's receiver designs? Also > > I don't follow how the RCA receiver would decode ISB? > > Back when this was first noted here, a few months ago, it was > pointed out that the schematic from p. 324 has a sync detector. > Looking at it, this would be the circuitry off of V3-A/B, a 6AL5. > > I'm sure others who read tube-based schematics better than I could > correct me. :) Yes, the radio shown in schematic form on page 324 does not use a "synchronous detector". Who pointed out the "synchronous detector", "when this was first noted here"? V3-B, half of the first 6AL5, is used as an envelope detector to recover the "L+R" monophonic component of the signal. The envelope detector circuit is floating and also provides a -(L+R) signal to the matrix. V3-A, the other half of the first 6AL5, is used as an AGC rectifier. Both halves of V6, the second 6AL5, are used in a frequency discriminator circuit to recover the "L-R", or stereophonic difference signal which also feeds the matrix. I still don't understand how this radio could ever recover ISB stereo broadcasts? Are you sure that you are not confused by the fact that AM/FM stereo broadcasts, without pre emphasis, can be recovered by slope detection in two off tuned monophonic radios, just as ISB AM stereo signals can also be recovered by the filtering action of two off tuned monophonic radios? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue May 13 10:24:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 17:24:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 78369 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 17:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 17:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 17:24:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 17:23:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:22:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios that would need to be IBOC'd Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 732 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > > As I understand it, the optimum frequency for Eureka 147 is around > > > 325MHz. > > > > You must be mistaken, everyone knows that the frequencies below > > 1 GHz > > are not suitable for digital radio! > > > > John > > Mode 1 Eureka is for use with VHF frequencies. Mode II was developed > for "L" band. Perhaps the following doc will help clear the matter; > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1995-02.pdf Nope, that report doesn't address the oft repeated contention in this group that frequencies below 1 GHz are not suitable for digital radio! John From g_keighron@yahoo.ie Tue May 13 10:43:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: g_keighron@yahoo.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 17:43:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 6753 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 17:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 17:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 17:43:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 17:42:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:42:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radios that would need to be IBOC'd Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1119 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Graham Keighron" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138665970 X-Yahoo-Profile: g_keighron > frequencies below 1 GHz are not suitable for digital radio! With the current spectrum allocation in the USA, that is true. Between TV, mobile phones, amateur radio, military communications, and other two-way communications, there really is no room for Eureka-147-type digital radio to exist in its own band below 1 GHz in the USA right now. And now, they're going to kill off even more of the UHF TV band to make room for mobile phones -- at least another 10 channels taken off the top, I believe. That certainly doesn't help stations like WFMZ in Reading, PA, a successful independent station on Channel 69, the current top of the UHF TV band. Actually, as of late 2001, there were 39 stations in the country still broadcasting on channels above 69, although if any are left today, they must not have (m)any viewers, since all are "translator" stations and new TVs that can tune the channel 70-83 range haven't been made in well over a decade. BTW, I've also heard that Channel 37 is not an official UHF TV channel, as it's part of a frequency allocation for U.S. military communications. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue May 13 10:56:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 17:56:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 26268 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 17:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 17:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 17:56:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 17:56:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:56:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What to do when the chips run out? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 422 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.175 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > the LM1981 chip used for the Magnavox system > > > I know this has probably been asked before, but does anybody have the > data sheet for the LM1981? Or any other sort of specs for it? The only thing I have is the block diagram of the chip published in the Stan Prentiss book. It does give component values for a multisystem decoder. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue May 13 11:07:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 18:07:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 63861 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 18:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 18:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 18:07:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 18:07:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:07:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios that would need to be IBOC'd Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1213 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.175 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > > > > > > As I understand it, the optimum frequency for Eureka 147 is around > > > > 325MHz. > > > > > > You must be mistaken, everyone knows that the frequencies below > > > 1 GHz > > > are not suitable for digital radio! > > > > > > John > > > > Mode 1 Eureka is for use with VHF frequencies. Mode II was developed > > for "L" band. Perhaps the following doc will help clear the matter; > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1995-02.pdf > > Nope, that report doesn't address the oft repeated contention in this > group that frequencies below 1 GHz are not suitable for digital radio! > > John I never said that. I just don't think it should be used in over crowded bands like MW in the US. I also don't think that the potential for LPFM should be sacrificed so these stations can use IBOC. This is the main reason why the NAB had congress kill LPFM because they wanted to use the free slots in between the channels for IBCO where LPFM was to be put. JSG From fanfare@globility.com Tue May 13 14:37:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 21:37:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 12910 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 21:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 21:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 21:31:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2003 21:31:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:31:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios that would need to be IBOC'd Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1021 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.168 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > > Mode 1 Eureka is for use with VHF frequencies. Mode II was developed > > for "L" band. Perhaps the following doc will help clear the matter; > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1995-02.pdf > > Nope, that report doesn't address the oft repeated contention in this > group that frequencies below 1 GHz are not suitable for digital radio! > > John Regardless of the opinions expressed on the forum, the fact remains, based on a quote from the referenced article; (speaking of Eureka DAB in the UK) - A national SFN can be economically implemented at VHF with large transmitter spacings and using existing broadcasting transmitter sites. - The terrestrial propagation of signals, over terrain typically found in the UK and into buildings, is generally better at VHF than L-band. As JSG mentions. I also agree that booting LPFM so that digital noise will not become a source of complaint is a bit thin. MS From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 13 18:29:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 14 May 2003 01:29:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 52275 invoked from network); 14 May 2003 01:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2003 01:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2003 01:26:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2003 01:26:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 01:26:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: When IBOC is actually "OOBOC"... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2143 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics IBOC officially stands for "In-Band, On-Channel". The "On-Channel" part is already questionable, since the current AM and FM IBOC systems place the primary digital sidebands on the *adjacent* channels. However, even the "In-Band" part is questionable as well, when you consider FM stations on 107.9 MHz. 107.9 is the highest FM broadcasting channel, because the aircraft communications band begins at 108.0 MHz. Analog FM radio signals are allocated a +/- 100 kHz bandwidth (for a total of 200 kHz), so this fits in perfectly, as FM stations on 107.9 MHz have signals whose allocated space ends exactly at 108.0 MHz. However, consider IBOC. It places the digital sidebands on the adjacent channels, all the way out to +/- 200 kHz. In this case, a station on 107.9 MHz using IBOC would be putting out a signal all the way up to 108.1 MHz. Oops! Not good! Well, you can say, "it fits within the FM signal mask", which is true, and is the same for 107.9 MHz as it is for any other FM radio channel. However, that doesn't change the fact that an IBOC station on 107.9 MHz would still be transmitting a signal within the aircraft radio band, where no other FM broadcasting station has ever been allowed to transmit before. So, the question is, is it *legal* for FM stations on 107.9 MHz to transmit IBOC? iBiquity will probably jump through the FCC's loopholes and say "yes"... but is that really the correct answer? In any case, use of iBiquity's digital system on 107.9 FM shouldn't be called "IBOC", but rather "OOBOC", since it's actually "OUT-OF-band, in-channel". Note that the same thing would likely apply to IBOC stations on the AM band at 1700 kHz. There is some confusion about whether or not 1710 kHz is a legitimate AM broadcasting channel as well, as some say it has been allocated to low-power TIS (Traveller's Information Service) stations, but the FCC database shows no licensed TIS stations on 1710 kHz in the entire country, and quite a few radios have been manufactured which only tune up to 1700 kHz. So, by that interpretation, an AM IBOC signal on 1700 kHz would also be "OOBOC"! From bjackson@indyradio.com Tue May 13 18:38:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 14 May 2003 01:38:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 87998 invoked from network); 14 May 2003 01:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2003 01:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2003 01:37:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2003 01:37:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 01:37:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radios that would need to be IBOC'd Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 241 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > You must be mistaken, everyone knows that the frequencies below 1 GHz > are not suitable for digital radio! > > John Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I heard a troll :-) From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue May 13 18:48:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 14 May 2003 01:48:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 22150 invoked from network); 14 May 2003 01:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2003 01:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.94) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2003 01:48:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 May 2003 18:48:22 -0700 Received: from 172.133.22.251 by bay7-dav37.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 14 May 2003 01:48:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios that would need to be IBOC'd Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:48:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2003 01:48:22.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6BD6850:01C319BA] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.133.22.251] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 bta_50g wrote: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1995-02.pdf > > Nope, that report doesn't address the oft repeated contention in this group that frequencies below 1 GHz are not suitable for digital radio! Very true, John. Eric, who knows more about radio transmissions systems than Marconi, Hertz, Tesla and Leonard Kahn together says frequencies below 1 GHz are not suitable for digital radio, so it MUST be true no matter WHAT that report says. Long live FREE RADIO! Possum - Moderator of the AM DX Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amradiodx/ Plate Modulation-The Choice Of The New Generation From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue May 13 18:48:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 14 May 2003 01:48:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 26313 invoked from network); 14 May 2003 01:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2003 01:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2003 01:48:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2003 01:48:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 01:48:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CRL AM Stereo Matrix Limiter for sale Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio I have a CRL AM stereo matrix limiter that I may be moving out the door. Anyone interested? Make an offer. From michaelj@vcn.com Wed May 14 07:46:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 14 May 2003 14:46:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 3850 invoked from network); 14 May 2003 14:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2003 14:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2003 14:45:32 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 08:45:31 -0600 Message-ID: <003f01c31a27$785f8b00$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CRL AM Stereo Matrix Limiter for sale Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:45:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wish I had the money for it. I'd get it just to get it or for spare parts. This is the one of the processors in our air chain. The other we have is the CRL Stereo Preparation Processor. Or I could hook it up to my Alfredo Lite. That could be fun :) Anyways...anyone want to float me a loan? Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: wgliradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: {AMSF} CRL AM Stereo Matrix Limiter for sale I have a CRL AM stereo matrix limiter that I may be moving out the door. Anyone interested? Make an offer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mwdx@gentoo.net Wed May 14 09:27:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwdx@gentoo.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 14 May 2003 16:27:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 98376 invoked from network); 14 May 2003 15:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2003 15:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.lanl.gov) (128.165.4.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2003 15:16:32 -0000 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h4EFGVfD021528 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 09:16:31 -0600 Received: from gentoo.net (romulus.lanl.gov [128.165.209.40]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h4EFGvwY019596 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 09:16:57 -0600 Message-ID: <3EC25DA3.7030506@gentoo.net> Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:15:47 -0600 Organization: Pojoaque Medium Wave DXers Club User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, es, zh-cn, af, sq, ar, ar-dz, ar-bh, ar-eg, ar-iq, ar-jo, ar-kw, ar-lb, ar-ly, ar-ma, ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye, hy, ast, eu, be, bs, bg, ca, zh, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, hr, cs, da, nl, nl-be, en-au, en-bz, en-ca, en-ie, en-jm, en-nz, en-ph, en-za, en-tt, en-gb, en-zw, eo, et, fo, fi, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch, gl, ka, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, hu, is, id, in, ga, it, it-ch, ja, ko, ko-kp, ko-kr, lv, lt, mk-mk, ms, no, nb, nn, pl, pt, pt-br, ro, ru, gd, sr, sk, sl, sb, es-ar, es-bo, es-cl, es-co, es-cr, es-do, es-ec, es-sv, es-gt, es-hn, es-mx, es-ni, es-pa, es-py, es-pe, es-pr, es-es, es-uy, es-ve, sv, sv-fi, th, tr, uk, vi, cy, xh, yi, zu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} When IBOC is actually "OOBOC"... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mike Westfall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118377141 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6kuy You mean "OOBAC" don't you? -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From dougharding@mindspring.com Wed May 14 11:54:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 14 May 2003 18:54:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 50483 invoked from network); 14 May 2003 16:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2003 16:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2003 16:58:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2003 16:56:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:56:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radios that would need to be IBOC'd Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1402 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Keighron" wrote: > > frequencies below 1 GHz are not suitable for digital radio! > > > With the current spectrum allocation in the USA, that is true. > Between TV, mobile phones, amateur radio, military communications, and > other two-way communications, there really is no room for > Eureka-147-type digital radio to exist in its own band below 1 GHz in > the USA right now. > > > And now, they're going to kill off even more of the UHF TV band to > make room for mobile phones -- at least another 10 channels taken off > the top, I believe. That certainly doesn't help stations like WFMZ in > Reading, PA, a successful independent station on Channel 69, the > current top of the UHF TV band. > > > Actually, as of late 2001, there were 39 stations in the country still > broadcasting on channels above 69, although if any are left today, > they must not have (m)any viewers, since all are "translator" stations > and new TVs that can tune the channel 70-83 range haven't been made in > well over a decade. > > > BTW, I've also heard that Channel 37 is not an official UHF TV > channel, as it's part of a frequency allocation for U.S. military > communications. I could be wrong but I believe channel 37 is the frequency of hydrogen and is used by radio astronomy. That is why it is not used anywhere on earth. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed May 14 14:24:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 14 May 2003 21:24:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 95236 invoked from network); 14 May 2003 21:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2003 21:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2003 21:09:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20030514210904.13756.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2003 14:09:04 PDT Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ford AM Stereo - which cars have (had) them? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey you Ford automobile people: somebody had said that either the Ford Escort or Taurus has AM Stereo in their goofball oval radios - which cars have them? a co-worker is looking to get a Ford, and I'm trying to steer him towards the AMS radio model if he can still get one? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed May 14 16:50:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 14 May 2003 23:50:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 70390 invoked from network); 14 May 2003 22:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2003 22:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.19) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2003 22:17:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 May 2003 15:17:01 -0700 Received: from 172.165.233.11 by bay7-dav47.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 14 May 2003 22:17:00 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20030514210904.13756.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford AM Stereo - which cars have (had) them? Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:16:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2003 22:17:01.0213 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AADACD0:01C31A66] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.165.233.11] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > somebody had said that either the Ford Escort or Taurus has AM Stereo in their goofball oval radios - which cars have them? All Ford "ETR" and "ESR" radios from 1986 to 1991 have a place for an AM Stereo board to be installed, but VERY few actually had the board. There are no labels that will tell you if it is a C-QUAM radio or not, except some, but not all C-QUAM radios had a Motorola patent notice sticker on top of the radio chassis. Starting in 1987, Ford was having production problems and purchased ESR look-alike radios from Clarion. Most, but not all of these Clarion radios had rotten FM tuners and great AM Stereo tuners! The Clarion radios have no AM Stereo ID stickers on them, but can be IDed by the tape transport. If you have to push the FF and RW buttons together to reverse the tape, it is a Clarion. Most of the DIN size snap-in radios from the early '90s are AM stereo, the ones that are not are very simple to upgrade by installing the missing C-QUAM chip and related components. All Ford "Mach" series radios have AM Stereo. I understand that most of the Vistion made Ford radios support C-QUAM. > >a co-worker is looking to get a Ford, and I'm trying to steer him towards the AMS radio model if he can still get one? The only sure-fire way to KNOW you are getting a car with AM Stereo is to tune to a known stereo station and see if it lights the Stereo indicator. Sell your friend on a Chrysler product. Chrysler still markets the famous AMAX radio as the Infinity GoldT AM stereo/FM stereo radio with full-logic cassette and CD players, graphic equalizer, clock and six Infinity speakers. I heard one in a Jeep Grand Cherokee. It sounds wonderful. Kevin From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu May 15 02:34:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 15 May 2003 09:34:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 50569 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 09:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2003 09:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2003 09:34:19 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.d.10a6f6cd (4592) for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 05:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 05:34:09 EDT Subject: Stop The FCC and The Illegal Monopolies! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Stop Media Monopoly Dear friend, On June 2, the Federal Communications Commission is planning on authorizing sweeping changes to the American news media. The rules change could allow your local TV stations, newspaper, radio stations, and cable provider to all be owned by one company. NBC, ABC, CBS and Fox could have the same corporate parent. The resulting concentration of ownership could be deeply destructive to our democracy. Congress is supposed to guard against monopoly power. But the upcoming rule change could change the landscape for all media and usher in an era in which a few corporations control your access to news and entertainment. Please join me in asking Congress and the FCC to support a diverse, competitive media landscape by going to: http://www.moveon.org/stopthefcc/ You can also automatically have your comments publicly filed at the FCC. When the folks at MoveOn.org talk to Congresspeople about this issue, the response is usually the same: "We only hear from media lobbyists on this. It seems like my constituents aren't very concerned with this issue." A few thousand emails could permanently change that perception. Please join this critical campaign, and let Congress know you care. Thanks. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 15 10:10:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 15 May 2003 17:10:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 439 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 17:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2003 17:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2003 17:08:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2003 17:07:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:07:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Stop The FCC and The Illegal Monopolies! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 203 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.216 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Subject: Stop Media Monopoly I have signed. Have you? Please do, for all our sakes. > http://www.moveon.org/stopthefcc/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 15 11:00:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 15 May 2003 18:00:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 98818 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 18:00:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2003 18:00:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2003 18:00:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2003 17:59:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:59:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Realistic TM-152 on Aussie eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 217 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Realistic TM-152 AM Stereo tuner on eBay in Australia: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3024352400 Useable anywhere with 220-240V AC power (Europe, Asia, etc.). Current bid is AU $1.00! From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu May 15 14:37:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 15 May 2003 21:37:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 14652 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 21:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2003 21:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2003 21:37:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20030515213730.35555.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.64] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:37:30 PDT Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AMS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030514210904.13756.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is what I found on a "cached site" =20 "AM stereo isn't used in NZ, although RNZ AM Transmitters are AMS ready and= their stereo signal may be switched on I'm told." =20 What a waste of spectrum as AM here is totally adequate and be better in AM= Stereo if you want stereo sound. =20 Michael =20 N A T I O N A L N E W S S T O R Y RELATED LINKS =BB Subscribe to INL Archives=20 Funding boost for Radio New Zealand 07 May 2003=20 Radio New Zealand is being given a $14.58 million funding boost in the budg= et.=20 Broadcasting Minister Steve Maharey said the money, spread over four years,= was for a nationwide FM service and to meet the rising costs of Radio New = Zealand's core services.=20 National Radio would get an additional $3.396m over four years to progressi= vely establish FM service across the country and $2.646m a year to maintain= its programming.=20 About 93 percent of the population would be able to receive the FM service = by 2006, the same penetration currently achieved by Concert FM, Mr Maharey = said.=20 All major radio networks in New Zealand operate on the FM band.=20 The FM service would be rolled out over the next three years, starting with= the four main centres by the end of 2004.=20 The AM service would be retained for those listeners unable to tune in to t= he FM band.=20 Mr Maharey said National Radio provided "an essential service". No other br= oadcaster approached its range and depth of coverage.=20 The funding, to be allocated in the budget, was the first boost in resource= s for core services since 1997.=20 Radio New Zealand International would get $600,000 over four years to enabl= e it to increase its daily broadcasts of original programming, particularly= Pacific current affairs.=20 "The funding package will enable Radio New Zealand to continue to meet its = charter obligations, cover operating cost increases, maintain quality progr= amming and editorial services and address recruitment issues," Mr Maharey s= aid in prepared speech notes to a Radio New Zealand staff function.=20 Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kfornal@cox.net Thu May 15 15:11:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 15 May 2003 22:10:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 18701 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 22:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2003 22:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao02.cox.net) (68.1.17.243) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2003 22:10:32 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030515221031.UZWO24359.lakemtao02.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:10:31 -0400 To: Subject: IBOC Standard-Setting 'Temporarily Suspended' Over PAC Concerns Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:10:01 -0400 Message-ID: <003601c31b2e$bde0fcb0$0301a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=128541479 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy From a Radio World email 5/15: Breaking News from RW Online: IBOC Standard-Setting 'Temporarily Suspended' Over PAC Concerns Has radio's digital rollout hit a pothole? Standards-setting activity for IBOC has been temporarily suspended by the steering committee of the National Radio Systems Committee's DAB subgroup. This development, sources said, puts the onus on Ibiquity to continue to tweak PAC or chose another audio coding algorithm. Growing concerns about the performance of Ibiquity's PAC codec on AM at low bit rates has led the steering committee to make this decision. Also as a result of this action, Radio World has learned, some major radio groups are slowing their adoption of IBOC until the codec issue is resolved, according to NRSC sources. In a memo to members of the NRSC obtained by RW Online, the steering committee stated: "The NRSC has long considered flexibility to be an important feature of IBOC digital radio systems, and is concerned that PAC operating at bit rates between 36 kbps and 96 kbps (the maximum coding rate used in the hybrid FM IBOC system) could also have quality issues that may need to be investigated by Ibiquity." NRSC DAB Subcommittee Chairman Milford Smith stressed the performance of the codec at low bit rates is one problem and that the NRSC still supports IBOC. "The overall system is really great and works well." Yet, "Our goal from the start has been to have both an AM and FM solution. We don't think we've got an AM solution." Smith and several NRSC sources said the standards-setting process would resume when Ibiquity has demonstrated the problem is resolved. Ibiquity has two choices: continue to tweak PAC or chose another audio coding algorithm such as AAC or MPEG. Ibiquity used AAC previously, and several NRSC sources said they thought the system audio quality with AAC was better than it is with PAC. After a recent private demonstration at National Public Radio, several NRSC sources said they found the artifacts on the system using PAC "unacceptable." In a statement today, Ibiquity responded: "At this time, we concur with their decision to temporarily delay these efforts until the issue is resolved. ... We have an on-going improvement plan and anticipate resolution of the AM audio quality issue as soon as possible." Kenwood, meanwhile, said it is still prepared to go forward with its receiver launch this summer despite the NRSC action. Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu May 15 20:26:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92932 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 03:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2003 03:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2003 03:26:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2003 03:26:02 -0000 Date: 16 May 2003 03:26:01 -0000 Message-ID: <1053055561.283990.67024.w8@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /digital/iboc-old.mp3 Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Audio sample of the previous version of the AM IBOC system (from 1999), which used AAC encoding at 92 kbps instead of IBOC's current PAC encoding at 36 kbps. Note that this previous version of IBOC also fit within a +/- 10 kHz bandwidth, as opposed to IBOC's current +/- 15 kHz bandwidth on AM. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/digital/iboc-old.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu May 15 21:33:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 16 May 2003 04:33:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 53190 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 04:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2003 04:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2003 04:33:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2003 04:33:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 04:33:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1053055561.283990.67024.w8@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.95 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > group. > > File : /digital/iboc-old.mp3 > Uploaded by : kevtronics > Description : Audio sample of the previous version of the AM IBOC system (from 1999), which used AAC encoding at 92 kbps instead of IBOC's current PAC encoding at 36 kbps. Note that this previous version of IBOC also fit within a +/- 10 kHz bandwidth, as opposed to IBOC's current +/- 15 kHz bandwidth on AM. > > You can access this file at the URL > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/digital/iboc-old.mp3 > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files > > Regards, > I think I've heard that before but forgot about it. It still has that wishy-washy underwater sound but it is defintely better than the PAC incoding. It definetly has a fuller stereo separation than PAC although I thought that AAC at 92kbps would sound better than that. I've gotten better results with LAME and 22KHz sample rate with a VBR in the 70-80kbps range without all those artifacts. I 've just really started playing with ogg and it will produce better quality at lower bitrates although it doesn't have sample rate and lowpass filtering which helps improve quality while lowering bitrates. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 15 22:44:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 16 May 2003 05:44:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 45570 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 05:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2003 05:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2003 05:44:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2003 05:44:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 05:44:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 897 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I 've just really started playing with ogg and it will produce > better quality at lower bitrates although it doesn't have sample > rate and lowpass filtering which helps improve quality while > lowering bitrates. Ogg Vorbis (.OGG) is actually quite impressive in the 64 kbps range. Like RealAudio, it has a more "graceful" degradation of the sound at lower bit-rates, with an overall "haze" or "congestion" to the sound, rather than specific artifacts that you can easily put your finger on (like WMA's "metallic" sound and MP3's "twinkly/ chattery" effects). The most aurally offensive part of the current AM IBOC system, however, is the "spectral replication" of the treble above 4 kHz, which sounds totally harsh and artificial. If they could at least contain this "fake treble" effect to frequencies above 8 kHz, like "MP3pro", then it would offer significantly better quality. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu May 15 23:06:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 16 May 2003 06:06:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 97552 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 06:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2003 06:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2003 06:06:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2003 06:06:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 06:06:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1236 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.95 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Ogg Vorbis (.OGG) is actually quite impressive in the 64 kbps range. > Like RealAudio, it has a more "graceful" degradation of the sound at > lower bit-rates, with an overall "haze" or "congestion" to the sound, > rather than specific artifacts that you can easily put your finger on > (like WMA's "metallic" sound and MP3's "twinkly/ chattery" effects). > Have you been using the ogg encoder under Linux or a port to windoze or mac? Under Linux there is a program called sox that does a bunch of sound file manipulations including low pass filtering. I sure would like to have access to the polyphase low pass filtering that is used in lame and use it to process the wav file before sending it to ogg. A GUI based program called Audacity is a free sound editor that comes with SuSE but I have yet to get to work on the distro I normally use. I would imagine that a lowpass filtered ogg file would produce high quality at low enough bitrates to make it feasable for it to be used with IBOC and still have acceptable sound. Not that I support IBOC but I'm sure stations would enjoy the better sounding royalty free format over PAC, ACC or MP3. JSG From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri May 16 05:46:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 16 May 2003 12:46:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 22908 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 12:46:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2003 12:46:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2003 12:46:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20030516124607.27186.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2003 05:46:07 PDT Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 05:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Quality issues with IBOC encoding hits the fan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Ut-oh, a pothole in the quality of IBOC - naw? http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=3148 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 16 08:59:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 16 May 2003 15:58:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 17376 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 15:58:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2003 15:58:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12808.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2003 15:58:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20030516155857.87535.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2003 16:58:57 BST Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:58:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20T.?=" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I would imagine that a lowpass filtered ogg file would produce high > quality at low enough bitrates to make it feasable for it to be used > with IBOC and still have acceptable sound. At the bit-rates IBOC is trying to use on AM (as low as 20 kbps for mono "core" mode), it's difficult to get good sound no matter what format they use. However, even though it is proprietary, the format that probably comes the closest is RealAudio. At 20 kbps mono, it can deliver surprisingly clear 10 kHz audio, or 14.5 kHz audio with a minor amount of high frequency artifacting. And at 32 kbps, the results are the same in Stereo -- 10 kHz audio with good, full-separation Stereo sound, or "High Response" 13.8 kHz audio with somewhat less realistic Stereo quality, but still much better than what IBOC's PAC has demonstrated at 36 kbps. Here's a demo of what an AM station might sound like if IBOC used 32 kbps Stereo "High Response" RealAudio... this is from a tape of 1630 KCJJ when Chris Cuff was on the air talking about AM Stereo and giving away radios as prizes... it was taken from a cassette recorded directly from KCJJ's audio board, without any on-air audio processing, so it can use the full 13.8 kHz audio response, with quality that I think varies between marginally acceptable and surprisingly good: http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/stations/North-America/ USA/Iowa/kcjj1.rm (cut and paste the long link together if it wraps around) __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri May 16 09:53:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 16 May 2003 16:53:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 75416 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 16:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2003 16:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80513.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2003 16:16:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20030516161656.68082.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.232.195.134] by web80513.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:16:56 PDT Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OOOOBAC? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1053020464.845.72804.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW > Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:15:47 -0600 > From: Mike Westfall > Subject: Re: When IBOC is actually "OOBOC"... > > You mean "OOBAC" don't you? > > -- > Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Mike, is that what you say when you pick up something too heavy and inujure your back? Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri May 16 10:36:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 16 May 2003 17:36:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 31858 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 17:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2003 17:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2003 17:36:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2003 17:35:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:35:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OOOOBAC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030516161656.68082.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 559 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:15:47 -0600 > > From: Mike Westfall > > Subject: Re: When IBOC is actually "OOBOC"... > > > > You mean "OOBAC" don't you? > > > > -- > > Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O > > > Mike, is that what you say when you pick up something > too heavy and inujure your back? > > Powell > > ===== > powell@c... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > 4 O's in the subject line , must stand for Overly Obnoxious Out Band Adjacent Channel JSG From fanfare@globility.com Sat May 17 16:08:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 17 May 2003 23:08:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 5205 invoked from network); 17 May 2003 23:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2003 23:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2003 23:08:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2003 23:08:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 23:08:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC Standard-Setting 'Temporarily Suspended' Over PAC Concerns Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003601c31b2e$bde0fcb0$0301a8c0@OMNIBOOK> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.53 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Fornal" wrote: > From a Radio World email 5/15: > > Breaking News from RW Online: IBOC Standard-Setting 'Temporarily > Suspended' Over PAC Concerns > > Has radio's digital rollout hit a pothole? > > Standards-setting activity for IBOC has been temporarily suspended by > the steering committee of the National Radio Systems Committee's DAB > subgroup. > > This development, sources said, puts the onus on Ibiquity to continue to > tweak PAC or chose another audio coding algorithm. It's hard to believe that, since Keith passed on this news item, the board has practically gone flat. Is everyone in a state of shock? There had been a lot of talk about the PAC algorithm having a finite life. Is this the end of digital on AM? John P says no. But that's to be expected. JSG must be biting halfway through his tongue, knowing he could suggest a fix. Eric must be holding onto his sides from laughing and Kevin seems at a loss for words ... something we've not seen yet. And Amy, well she must be preening her whiskers, waiting for the next technical challenge. Some people still do like to exercise their minds, I guess. From dav259@csiro.au Sat May 17 19:18:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 02:18:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 52770 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 02:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 02:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 02:18:22 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4I2IK712633 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 12:18:20 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 12:18:20 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Standard-Setting 'Temporarily Suspended' Over PAC Concerns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 17 May 2003, Mr.M S wrote: > It's hard to believe that, since Keith passed on this news item, the > board has practically gone flat. Is everyone in a state of shock? Hard indeed! Marv - My flabber has never been so gasted ... Here we are with exactly the info we need to proliferate to the average joe and all and sundry sit on their hands. If this happened in Oz I'd be writing to the papers and getting on talkback and trying to protect and promote what we've got - and what works. I trust you all have nice warm hands. Ian Melbourne From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 17 19:35:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 02:35:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 2012 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 02:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 02:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 02:35:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2003 02:35:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 02:35:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC Standard-Setting 'Temporarily Suspended' Over PAC Concerns Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2702 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: =snip= > It's hard to believe that, since Keith passed on this news item, the > board has practically gone flat. Is everyone in a state of shock? It's a surprising turn of events, but as I see it, it's only the delay of the inevitable. As for the lack of traffic, yes, I noticed. We were getting to a good level of activity that might defy the monthly traffic decline here, and I thought we could squeek past 600 posts for the month...then it stopped. Must be everyone readying themselves for the big Memorial Day weekend (here in the US), or some such. > There had been a lot of talk about the PAC algorithm having a finite > life. Is this the end of digital on AM? John P says no. But that's to It -does- deliver a terrible blow to Lucent/iBiquity, and the very source of iBiquity's licensing scheme, and perhaps will be enough for Lucent (iBiquity's sole remaining parent company) to go under, since they were banking on the high royalty fees to bail their sorry asses out of the quagmire they've been for -years-. The collapse of iBiquity means the effective collapse of digital broadcasting in the US at this time. This is what happens when being dependent on proprietary systems for what is supposed to be a broadcast standard. > be expected. JSG must be biting halfway through his tongue, knowing > he could suggest a fix. Eric must be holding onto his sides from > laughing and Kevin seems at a loss for words ... something we've not > seen yet. And Amy, well she must be preening her whiskers, waiting > for the next technical challenge. Some people still do like to > exercise their minds, I guess. Heh.. ;) I'm always looking for some way to keep AM stereo, particularly C-QUAM, since it's the standard, a viable system, both on the broadcasting and receiving ends, and encourage experimentation- - Anything to keep AM stereo alive and in the public's hands, and keep it all from falling into obscurity, which it may very well do. I don't know how many here would be interested in experimentingt with different AM stereo systems, or would like to see AM stereo radio projects (any system, particularly C-QUAM) or anything like that. I hardly see anyone here talking much about AM stereo DX catches, and we all know just how bad the situation with receivers is. I really miss the days of the electronics hobbyist. And yes, I'm still looking forward to anyone answering my challenge for C-QUAM without dependence on anything proprietary, especially decoder chips. :) I just hope I'm not the only one who cares about AM stereo the way I do. AM stereo forever. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat May 17 19:42:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 02:42:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 4413 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 02:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 02:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf33bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.213) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 02:41:37 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.234.171]) by imf33bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030518024349.IUQB1358.imf33bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 22:43:49 -0400 Message-ID: <004301c31ce7$0152e9e0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Standard-Setting 'Temporarily Suspended' Over PAC Concerns Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 22:41:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I can put my two cents in here. IBOC is ALL this group has been talking about. It's been months since the AM Stereo group has actually talked about AM Stereo, or have I missed something ? Stopping the Monopoly and IBOC. IBOC has always been suspect. This is not NEW news. Stopping the monopolies I agree with, but this is about AM Stereo, is it not ? It would warm my heart if this group actually got back to talking about AM Stereo. Juan Gualda KB0GXM Fort Pierce, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:18 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Standard-Setting 'Temporarily Suspended' Over PAC Concerns On Sat, 17 May 2003, Mr.M S wrote: > It's hard to believe that, since Keith passed on this news item, the > board has practically gone flat. Is everyone in a state of shock? Hard indeed! Marv - My flabber has never been so gasted ... Here we are with exactly the info we need to proliferate to the average joe and all and sundry sit on their hands. If this happened in Oz I'd be writing to the papers and getting on talkback and trying to protect and promote what we've got - and what works. I trust you all have nice warm hands. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Sat May 17 19:46:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 02:46:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 38544 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 02:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 02:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 02:46:20 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4I2kI713602 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 12:46:18 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 12:46:18 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Standard-Setting 'Temporarily Suspended' Over PAC Concerns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 18 May 2003, amymousie wrote: > I just hope I'm not the only one who cares about AM stereo the way I > do. Amy - let's hope you go down in radio history as the mouse that roared. Let's all roar for AM stereo! Frankly I'd be lost without it. Ian From dav259@csiro.au Sat May 17 19:54:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 02:54:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 19907 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 02:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 02:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 02:54:24 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4I2sN713980 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 12:54:23 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 12:54:23 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Standard-Setting 'Temporarily Suspended' Over PAC Concerns In-Reply-To: <004301c31ce7$0152e9e0$af78fea9@juan> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 17 May 2003, Juan / John Gualda wrote: > It would warm my heart if this group actually got back to talking about > AM Stereo. Juan - not only talk about it - but promote it!! If I lost access to my daily serve of AMS in Melbourne I'd be forced to listen to the repetitive drivel which is Clear Channel's Gold-FM. Perish the thought ... Ian :-/ From jim@burgan.net Sat May 17 19:55:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 02:55:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 50305 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 02:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 02:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 02:55:34 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-223-134-76.client.insightbb.com[12.223.134.76]) by sccimhc02.insightbb.com (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030518025534im200adhd6e>; Sun, 18 May 2003 02:55:34 +0000 Message-ID: <002601c31ce8$f5dc9410$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <004301c31ce7$0152e9e0$af78fea9@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Standard-Setting 'Temporarily Suspended' Over PAC Concerns Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 21:55:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Juan Gualda of Fort Pierce, FL posted: >It would warm my heart if this group actually got back to talking about AM Stereo. I love AM Stereo.... Any AM station that broadcasts with C-Quam stereo, properly done (such-as Susquahana's Gold-Based AC, WZZB 1390 AM Seymour Indiana) is a pure joy to listen to. It sounds better than most FM's. If you are fortunate enough to have a quality AMAX certified AM Stereo receiver, and if you happen to be driving up/down I-65 between Indianapolis and Louisville, when you hit the 50 mile-marker (Seymour exit), punch up this "Small Town" (home of John Mellencamp) radio station. 1 kw days, 74 watts nights. Incredible audio, and kudos to Bob Hawkins, the CE who put together the majority of this award winning audio chain. OK Juan.... is yer heart warm enough??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 17 20:10:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 03:10:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 49049 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 03:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 03:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 03:10:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2003 03:10:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 03:10:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Standard-Setting 'Temporarily Suspended' Over PAC Concerns Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1815 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Sun, 18 May 2003, amymousie wrote: > > > I just hope I'm not the only one who cares about AM stereo the way I > > do. > > Amy - let's hope you go down in radio history as the mouse that roared. Lord knows I've been trying. :) Sometimes one has to turn around and acknowledge a squeek amongst the rows of shouting. We're all here for AM stereo, right? Well, most of us, I hope. At least Mr. Byrns contributed -something- constructive and useful to my challenge, as well as JSG, who has beep putting AMS-related projects on his page. :) > Let's all roar for AM stereo! Whether a squeek or a roar, I'm going to keep a focus on AM stereo, hoping for the survival of AMS. This is what we all should be focused on. (And three cheers to Marv for keeping his company committed to AM stereo! :) ) > Frankly I'd be lost without it. I cannot imagine life without the experience of AM stereo, even of hearing mono DX in forced stereo. There is nothing quite like it. Even if we have to focus on getting AM stereo on the shortwave, we must keep AMS alive and in the spotlight for anyone interested in listening or experimenting. Instead of bemoaning the lack of receivers, we must encourage the building of same, even if hand-made (like Chris Cuff's or Fanfare's). To hell with the NAB or the FCC, we want AM stereo, even if we must do it ourselves. And we will, or die trying. If anyone offers to make a hand-made AMS radio, help the cause by buying one. The same with transmitters. AM stereo is not going to survive if we leave it all in the hands of corporates. It's up to -us- to keep it alive, every one of us. It will be a long and hard road, but it's a journey I'm willing to take. Are you? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 17 20:27:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 03:27:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 91537 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 03:27:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 03:27:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 03:27:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2003 03:27:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 03:27:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Standard-Setting 'Temporarily Suspended' Over PAC Concerns Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004301c31ce7$0152e9e0$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1754 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > If I can put my two cents in here. IBOC is ALL this group has been talking about. It's been months since the AM Stereo group has actually talked about AM Stereo, or have I missed something ? Stopping the Monopoly and IBOC. Just in the last couple weeks, both John Byrns and JSG have taken up my challenge to desigtn and (hopefully) build a C-QUAM radio without any proprietary ICs, or ideally, without ICs at all. (And I see no reason why it -can't- be done with tubes, and it certainly can be done in solid-state. :) I commend both Byrns and JSG for coming up with ideas. :) ) > IBOC has always been suspect. This is not NEW news. Stopping the monopolies I agree with, but this is about AM Stereo, is it not ? Correct. > It would warm my heart if this group actually got back to talking about AM Stereo. I, for one, am dedicated to AM stereo. There has been some AMS talk, but I do agree IBOC talk has overshadowed AMS talk here considerably. We currently have 181 subscribers, and who knows how many who are reading in without subscribing. Everyone who comes here sees this group is for AM stereo, and yet, when they see the messages, we seem, for all practical purposes, fixated on the IBOC situation. IBOC is bad news, yes. So is the whole monopoly thing. But I would rather hear about AM stereo- The latest catch, the latest radios (especially if they're hand-made-- You know the maker cared enough to make one just for you :) ), the latest experiments and modifications....and so forth. Even to look back at any of the two dozen or so AM stereo systems developed over the past decades. :) AM stereo for all of us, NOW. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat May 17 20:46:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 03:46:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 17089 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 03:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 03:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf33bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.213) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 03:46:02 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.234.171]) by imf33bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030518034814.LNZG1358.imf33bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 23:48:14 -0400 Message-ID: <006801c31cf0$01637590$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Standard-Setting 'Temporarily Suspended' Over PAC Concerns Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 23:46:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well Said ! Long Live AM Stereo ! I am putting out a challenge to everyone on this list. Let's double our efforts on AM Stereo. Positive news..downloading of good AM Stereo audio.....let's put out an effort to get the stations on the fence to go Stereo. IBOC is a thing of the past. Let's chat about Stereo on the medium wave band, and what the positive aspects are for a Mom and Pop station. AM Stereo is on quite a few more stations than IBOC on AM...... many more. Spread the word ! Juan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > If I can put my two cents in here. IBOC is ALL this group has been talking about. It's been months since the AM Stereo group has actually talked about AM Stereo, or have I missed something ? Stopping the Monopoly and IBOC. Just in the last couple weeks, both John Byrns and JSG have taken up my challenge to desigtn and (hopefully) build a C-QUAM radio without any proprietary ICs, or ideally, without ICs at all. (And I see no reason why it -can't- be done with tubes, and it certainly can be done in solid-state. :) I commend both Byrns and JSG for coming up with ideas. :) ) > IBOC has always been suspect. This is not NEW news. Stopping the monopolies I agree with, but this is about AM Stereo, is it not ? Correct. > It would warm my heart if this group actually got back to talking about AM Stereo. I, for one, am dedicated to AM stereo. There has been some AMS talk, but I do agree IBOC talk has overshadowed AMS talk here considerably. We currently have 181 subscribers, and who knows how many who are reading in without subscribing. Everyone who comes here sees this group is for AM stereo, and yet, when they see the messages, we seem, for all practical purposes, fixated on the IBOC situation. IBOC is bad news, yes. So is the whole monopoly thing. But I would rather hear about AM stereo- The latest catch, the latest radios (especially if they're hand-made-- You know the maker cared enough to make one just for you :) ), the latest experiments and modifications....and so forth. Even to look back at any of the two dozen or so AM stereo systems developed over the past decades. :) AM stereo for all of us, NOW. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat May 17 20:48:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 03:48:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 39243 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 03:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 03:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 03:48:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20030518034848.24121.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.227] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 May 2003 20:48:48 PDT Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 20:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Recievers To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We don't have any "listenable AM Stereo" as such as here in NZ but believe we used to have the Harris system-Would recievers be made to recieve C Quam on a "Harris" built radio or reverse a C quam reciever recive Harris AMS? I yet don't have a reciever to get AMS but am looking to see whats available. Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 17 20:59:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 03:59:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 42470 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 03:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 03:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 03:59:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2003 03:59:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 03:59:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC Standard-Setting 'Temporarily Suspended' Over PAC Concerns Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006801c31cf0$01637590$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1440 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > Well Said ! > > Long Live AM Stereo ! Long may AM stereo thrive and be viable. :) > I am putting out a challenge to everyone on this list. Let's double our efforts on AM Stereo. Positive news..downloading of good AM Stereo audio.....let's put out an effort to get the stations on the fence to go Stereo. IBOC is a thing of the past. Let's chat about Stereo on the medium wave band, and what the positive aspects are for a Mom and Pop station. We must encourage AM stereo worldwide, on all bands under 30MHz, not just on the mediumwave broadcast band. And I endorse your challenge: To paraphrase Ian, what are YOU doing (positively) for AM stereo? Let's build some radios, let's build some mini-transmitters. :) Let's keep AM stereo alive for generations to come! :) > AM Stereo is on quite a few more stations than IBOC on AM...... many more. And heard on almost every continent (except Amtarctica). There are at least 500 stations broadcasting C-QUAM globally. There are tens of millions of C-QUAM radios, at least in the US alone still in operation. It's not dead yet, it hasw a chance. > Spread the word ! It's up to all of us to keep AM stereo alive. WE are responsible for whether it lives or dies. Like I said, there are 181 subscribers here- And we all came for AM stereo. Keeping the pilot light on.... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 17 21:10:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 04:10:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 70566 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 04:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 04:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 04:10:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2003 04:10:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 04:10:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Recievers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030518034848.24121.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1148 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > We don't have any "listenable AM Stereo" as such as here in NZ but believe we used to have the Harris system-Would recievers be made to recieve C Quam on a "Harris" built radio or reverse a C quam reciever recive Harris AMS? > I yet don't have a reciever to get AMS but am looking to see whats available. When I chatted with Ben Lennard a couple years back, he mentioned that C-QUAM is the standard in NZ today. Nevertheless, here's a fixed- QUAM Harris decoder based on a Motorola C-QUAM chip (MC13020, from the time this was published) from the 1985 Stan Prentiss book: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/usa/misc/harris/ In theory, a C-QUAM decoder chip could be made to decode any of the AM stereo systems invented over the decades. The problem is, there isn't much incentive to decode other systems other than C-QUAM, and I do worry that decoder chips may well disappear. (I hope not, but that's why my non-IC AM stereo challenge-- I want AM stereo to survive without dependence on the whims of radio manufacturers and chip makers.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat May 17 21:12:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 04:12:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 14160 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 04:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 04:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf47bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 04:12:22 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.234.171]) by imf47bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030518041434.CFDN3393.imf47bis.bellsouth.net@juan>; Sun, 18 May 2003 00:14:34 -0400 Message-ID: <007c01c31cf3$af4a7930$af78fea9@juan> To: , Subject: Pirate Radio 1610 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 00:12:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Pirate is still on as I write this. Many jingles and oldies. I tried to call the number given, I got an answering machine. Oldies with some great Pam jingles. The quality of this pirate is pretty good. Music sounds very hi-fi. Old spots and jingles with a good mixture of quality tunes. Juan Fort Pierce, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat May 17 21:36:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 04:36:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 98409 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 04:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 04:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 04:36:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2003 04:36:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 04:36:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Recievers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1392 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.63 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > Nevertheless, here's a fixed- > QUAM Harris decoder based on a Motorola C-QUAM chip (MC13020, from=20 > the time this was published) from the 1985 Stan Prentiss book: >=20 > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/usa/misc/harris/ >=20 >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ As far as a straight QuAM decoder fixed at 90=B0 driving the Env Det Pin with a buffered signal from the I Det will do the job=20 along with using a large cap to disable the err amp on pin 5=20 like Harris does in the book. The Harris approach which uses several op amps to de and re matrix the signal adds more complexity than necessary and the use of the lock signal alone to do the switching for the I det signal is flawed because the lock signal at pin 10 only goes low when there is a signal going into the chip and the PLL is out of lock. This means that when there is no signal at the chip the lock pin is high and L+R is taken from the I Det. While this is usually not a major=20 problem for DTR it is a royal pain for mechanically tuned radios. The simplist approach is to use a switch operated by the user. If a DPDT switch is used both the cap on the err amp at pin 5 and the buffered signal going into Env Det will provide a switch operated C-QuAM or QuAM receiver. For info on this here are the details: http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/13020-CrackleFix.gif JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 17 21:53:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 04:53:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 24399 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 04:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 04:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 04:53:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2003 04:53:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 04:53:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Pirate Radio 1610 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007c01c31cf3$af4a7930$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 456 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The Pirate is still on as I write this. Many jingles and oldies. I > tried to call the number given, I got an answering machine. That may be the station on 1610 kHz in Toronto, Ontario. I've heard their 1000-watt signal at night, and I do recall that they have an Oldies format. I don't know what their call sign is, and Canadian stations only have to announce their call sign once every 24 hours, so you'll just have to go by this description. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat May 17 22:22:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 05:22:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 11993 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 05:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 05:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 05:22:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2003 05:22:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 05:22:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC Standard-Setting 'Temporarily Suspended' Over PAC Concerns Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2237 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.63 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: >=20 > Heh.. ;) I'm always looking for some way to keep AM stereo,=20 > particularly C-QUAM, since it's the standard, a viable system, both=20 > on the broadcasting and receiving ends, and encourage experimentation- > - Anything to keep AM stereo alive and in the public's hands, and=20 > keep it all from falling into obscurity, which it may very well do. >=20 > I don't know how many here would be interested in experimentingt with=20 > different AM stereo systems, or would like to see AM stereo radio=20 > projects (any system, particularly C-QUAM) or anything like that. >=20 > I hardly see anyone here talking much about AM stereo DX catches, and=20 > we all know just how bad the situation with receivers is. >=20 > AM stereo forever. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ As far as experimenting with different systems a linear version of ISB should be looked at. The use of non-linear transmittion methods based on the envelope detector hobble the receiver from receiving an undistorted signal during moderate levels of=20 interference. The use of synchronous detection for both L+R & L-R provides a great improvement in signal quality over envelope detection. The use of ISB addresses the major issues of asymetrical sideband receptoin during DX skywave listening. For broadcasters C-QuAM did address the problem of headroom issues for the envelope that plagued QuAM but audio phase shifting L-R by 90=B0 mostly eliminates this problem. This envelope compatibility issue is over hyped and for most listening does not produce adverse effects. I don't consider this envelope compatibility issue to be a good tradeoff for the superior sound quality that synchronous detection offers. If a linear based system using all synchronous detection was chosen in the early 80's and required the higher quality radios to be manufactured with synchronous detectors, even mono ones then today the envelope compatibility issue would be a thing of the=20 past.=20 The transmittion of linear ISB would be a QuAM transmitter with L-R phase shifted by 90=B0 in relation to L+R and reception would be the reverse of that. This method is known as the phasing method and is outlined in the ARRL handbook. JSG From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun May 18 00:38:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 07:38:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 86317 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 07:38:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 07:38:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 07:38:46 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.4a.1ce6b6c7 (4592) for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 03:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4a.1ce6b6c7.2bf89281@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 03:38:41 EDT Subject: A hypothetical situation To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's take this hypothetical situation. Let's say you have just purchased a group of radio stations, both AM and FM. What would you do, from a technical standpoint, with the stations that you have purchased? If I had purchased a group of AM and FM radio stations, the first thing I would do is my own research on what the programming needs are for the market. For instance, let's say the FM is programming country music, and there are four other radio stations who are programming the same thing. You find that there's no station playing hits from the 1970s and 1980s. So, would you keep your FM country, or switch to 1970s and/or 1980s oldies? In my case, I would switch to oldies from the 1970s or 1980s. Technically, I would not adopt IBOC under any circumstances. AM Stereo would be MANDATORY on all AM stations, regardless of format. FM stations would remain Stereo, again without regard to format. For instance, both of St. Louis' FM talk stations, 90.7 KWMU and 97.1 KFTK, broadcast in Stereo. I would prefer programming music formats on most of the AM stations to show off AM Stereo's capabilities; I would have one local-oriented News/Talk station on the air, though, but using Stereo music in commercials and Stereo sound effects in the station ID package (called "breakers", "sweepers" or "stingers"). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 18 02:01:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 09:01:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 86398 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 09:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 09:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 09:01:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2003 09:01:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 09:01:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: "textbook" AMAX/AM Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2800 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I just had a chance to examine the circuitry of a Chrysler "Infinity Gold" AMAX receiver and it's as close to a "textbook" implementation of AM Stereo as I've seen. This particular radio was made by Alpine in Japan, while other Chrysler AMAX radios were made by Mitsubishi, and there is a noticeable difference in design and performance between both. The Mitsubishi-made model tunes up to 1700 kHz (an easy way to distinguish it) and uses a custom version of the MC13022 C-Quam chip with a 7.5 kHz ceramic filter. Meanwhile, this Alpine-made version (which tunes up to 1710 kHz) uses an official Motorola MC13022, along with the companion MC13025 tuner chip, and a 6 kHz ceramic filter. This design is right out of Motorola's data sheet for the MC13022, and has all the AMAX features except noise blanking. The selectivity is better than that of the Mitsubishi design, and it has a larger difference in the automatic varable IF bandwidth between weak signals (narrow) and strong signals (wide). Despite the 6 kHz filter, it matchs up well to the NRSC emphasis curve, and of course has a nice 10 kHz notch/low-pass filter to cut out the adjacent carrier whistle. With appropriate tone control settings delivers surprisingly crisp and clear audio from AM signals in all conditions, and on a strong AM Stereo station, the quality will really blow you away -- it is easily *the* best-sounding AM Stereo radio I have ever used! It not only has absolutely *no* distortion, even in instances of highly modulated single-channel audio, it also locks into Stereo mode very quickly (often, nearly instantaneously), and it doesn't blend to mono unless the signal is especially weak or unstable. With the additon of noise-blanking, this would represent the ultimate state of what analog AM can achieve in "real world" conditions, and when tuned to any halfway-decent AM station -- even mono -- it is so far ahead of the rubbish that IBOC calls "near-FM-quality" than if you did a comparison between the two, I have no doubt that at least 90% of the listeners would prefer AMAX-quality analog AM over IBOC, and that there would be no demand for any digital AM system which delivers quality *inferior* to what analog AM has been able to accomplish for over a decade. So, as IBOC has encountered yet another stumble in its repeated attempts to become viable, I am reminded of a slogan for AMAX-quality AM Stereo that I thought of a while ago: "The Future of AM Radio is Now." That sums up the key points: AM Stereo is here, it works well in a wide variety of real-world situations, it is economical for both broadcasters and receiver manufacturers to implement, and it delivers the highest audio quality on the AM band. Why even *think* about using anything else? From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 18 02:22:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 09:22:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 75696 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 09:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 09:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 09:22:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2003 09:22:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 09:22:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "textbook" AMAX/AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 680 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > That sums up the key points: AM Stereo is here, it works well in a > wide variety of real-world situations, it is economical for both > broadcasters and receiver manufacturers to implement, and it delivers > the highest audio quality on the AM band. Why even *think* about > using anything else? That pretty much sums up AM stereo-- It -is- inexpensive (compared to IBOC, HELL YES!), it works well both locally and in DX, and can deal with noisy conditions decently. All that, and it sounds better on mono radios, too. :) AM stereo: When you care to send the very best. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 18 02:39:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 09:39:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 15128 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 09:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 09:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 09:39:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2003 09:39:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 09:39:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A hypothetical situation Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4a.1ce6b6c7.2bf89281@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1386 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Let's take this hypothetical situation. Let's say you have just purchased a > group of radio stations, both AM and FM. What would you do, from a technical > standpoint, with the stations that you have purchased? If I were to own stations, I would have two considerations: one technical, and one concerning programming. Both are equally important to me, so what I would do would be this: On the technical side, I would try to ensure the best possible stereophonic sound, regardless if AM or FM. On the AM side, I think this would be more critical, since the best possible C-QUAM signal will deliver the best sound in mono as well, over conventional AM modulation schemes. Reining in the phasing issues that plague normal AM broadcasting is a natural plus, in my book. :) FM has its own issues, but again, I would be looking for a quality signal over quantity. Now, as to programming, I would insist that, regardless of format (and even that, attempt to be as unique as possible while still being pleasant enough to listen to), that all, or almost all programming be done live, in-house, with live hosts, a request line, and on-duty engineers to make sure everything works. I would insist on serving the community with local news coverage and support. The community comes first, to me. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 18 02:53:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 09:53:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 45359 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 09:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 09:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 09:53:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2003 09:53:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 09:53:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Experimenting with AMS systems Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1137 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > As far as experimenting with different systems a linear version > of ISB should be looked at. The use of non-linear transmittion I have no problem with this-- I think of all quadrature-based systems=20 equally (C-QUAM, QUAM, ISB), all with the same potential of=20 performance. =3Dsnip=3D > The transmittion of linear ISB would be a QuAM transmitter with > L-R phase shifted by 90=B0 in relation to L+R and reception would > be the reverse of that. This method is known as the phasing > method and is outlined in the ARRL handbook. Just as been perscribed in AM stereo patents dating back to 1926. While I may favor RCA's AM/FM system, I think all systems have=20 potential to deliver, and all should be equally experimented on, if=20 not for listenability, then at least for the sake of knowing whether=20 it can be done or not, and HOW it is done. :) My "dream" radio would be capable of C-QUAM/QUAM/ISB reception by=20 sync detection, as well as AM/FM (RCA/Belar) and AM/PM (Magnavox),=20 including forced reception in each, each for their own reasons. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun May 18 05:43:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 12:43:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 20844 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 12:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 12:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf62bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.109) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 12:43:04 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.234.171]) by imf62bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20030518124516.ZWUL11617.imf62bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 08:45:16 -0400 Message-ID: <003301c31d3b$077770d0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Pirate Radio 1610 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 08:43:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 1610 Pirate is from Southern Florida. They gave the phone number with a 954 area code. They are ID'ing as KQB. They were coming in better that usual last night. I hear it most weekends, and sometimes during the week. Juan From: Kevin T. Re: Pirate Radio 1610 > The Pirate is still on as I write this. Many jingles and oldies. I > tried to call the number given, I got an answering machine. That may be the station on 1610 kHz in Toronto, Ontario. I've heard their 1000-watt signal at night, and I do recall that they have an Oldies format. I don't know what their call sign is, and Canadian stations only have to announce their call sign once every 24 hours, so you'll just have to go by this description. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougharding@mindspring.com Sun May 18 11:59:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 18:59:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 21461 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 18:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 18:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 18:59:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2003 18:59:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:59:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Pirate Radio 1610 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c31d3b$077770d0$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 545 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.174.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > The 1610 Pirate is from Southern Florida. They gave the phone number with a 954 area code. They are ID'ing as KQB. > > They were coming in better that usual last night. I hear it most weekends, and sometimes during the week. > First let me say hello to everyone. I am a new member of the Forum. The 954 area code is Ft. Lauderdale Broward County Florida. I live in Coral Gables/Miami and I have not been able to receive them on 1610. When do they broadcast? From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun May 18 12:15:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 19:15:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 1982 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 19:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 19:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf43bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.147) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 19:15:50 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.234.171]) by imf43bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030518191802.VIMM1461.imf43bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 15:18:02 -0400 Message-ID: <007f01c31d71$e59baa80$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Pirate Radio 1610 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 15:15:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings Doug. I usually hear it during the evening / night on the weekends. They ID as KQB, play oldies and old commercials. I remember hearing a swap shop commercial about a month or two ago. Lots of old Pam jingles, an all around decent sounding station. If i hear it tonight, I will post on here. Juan in the amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > The 1610 Pirate is from Southern Florida. They gave the phone number with a 954 area code. They are ID'ing as KQB. > > They were coming in better that usual last night. I hear it most weekends, and sometimes during the week. > First let me say hello to everyone. I am a new member of the Forum. The 954 area code is Ft. Lauderdale Broward County Florida. I live in Coral Gables/Miami and I have not been able to receive them on 1610. When do they broadcast? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 18 16:59:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 18 May 2003 23:59:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 47535 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 23:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2003 23:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2003 23:59:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2003 23:59:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:59:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Your dream AM stereo radio? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 425 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Hmmm, let's see if this sparks some discussion, here. :) OK, what is your dream radio? What features and bells & whistles wsould you like, aside from AM stereo, of course? :) Or, expanding on the AM stereo part, what extra features would you like? More modes? C'mon, be creative! Perhaps some smartass might actually -build- one of these, if inspired enough. :) So, come on, now- Your dream radio. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun May 18 17:29:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 00:29:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 99590 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 00:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 00:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 00:29:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20030519002937.97850.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.227] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 May 2003 17:29:37 PDT Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 17:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Your dream AM stereo radio? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has to be real powerful in dragging AM stations even in the daytime(can tell usually by the amount of static it gets)-"atmospheric static" and good sensitivity too and also be really good in dragging FM thats almost inaudible due to attenuation-It gets 9&10Khz steps-Also gets shortwave and gets as well 24mHz to say 40 or 50mHz as well and gets longwave too.Can connect ariels both AM and FM to it. Michael amymousie wrote: Hmmm, let's see if this sparks some discussion, here. :) OK, what is your dream radio? What features and bells & whistles wsould you like, aside from AM stereo, of course? :) Or, expanding on the AM stereo part, what extra features would you like? More modes? C'mon, be creative! Perhaps some smartass might actually -build- one of these, if inspired enough. :) So, come on, now- Your dream radio. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jon@kenneke.com Sun May 18 17:39:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 00:39:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 14209 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 00:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 00:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 00:39:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4J0cxe30532 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 17:38:59 -0700 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 17:38:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: PLL module for Alfredo-lite In-Reply-To: <20030519002937.97850.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: jon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664 X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke Hi Folks... (Warning, I am posting something for sale...but it is very AMS!) I finally got around to finishing the PLL add-on for the Alfredo-lite. It uses push button entry for frequency selection (enter in 4 times desired freq, of course), and works like a champ. If anyone is interested, i'd be happy to sell a couple of these. $79.95, shipped in the US. Let me know if you are interested. -- Jon Kenneke, General Manager Kenneke Communications - http://www.kenneke.com PO Box 3126 - Albany, OR 97321-0702 Radio Takena KTK - http://www.radiotakena.org From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 18 17:56:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 00:56:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 63957 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 00:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 00:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 00:56:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2003 00:56:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 00:56:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: PLL module for Alfredo-lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 715 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jon wrote: > > Hi Folks... > > (Warning, I am posting something for sale...but it is very AMS!) > > I finally got around to finishing the PLL add-on for the Alfredo- lite. It > uses push button entry for frequency selection (enter in 4 times desired > freq, of course), and works like a champ. > > If anyone is interested, i'd be happy to sell a couple of these. $79.95, > shipped in the US. Let me know if you are interested. I'm sure some of us would like to poke our noses into the schems... :) I have always felt the Alfredo Lite could be PLL-tuned, so naturally, I'm interested. Not yet to buy, though- Budget-minded mousie, here. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jon@kenneke.com Sun May 18 18:09:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 01:09:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 57613 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 01:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 01:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 01:09:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4J19eM30698 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 18:09:40 -0700 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:09:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: PLL module for Alfredo-lite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: jon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664 X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke I'll try and get the schems up one of these days (as usuall, it a hand drawn thing) j On Mon, 19 May 2003, amymousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jon wrote: > > > > Hi Folks... > > > > (Warning, I am posting something for sale...but it is very AMS!) > > > > I finally got around to finishing the PLL add-on for the Alfredo- > lite. It > > uses push button entry for frequency selection (enter in 4 times > desired > > freq, of course), and works like a champ. > > > > If anyone is interested, i'd be happy to sell a couple of these. > $79.95, > > shipped in the US. Let me know if you are interested. > > I'm sure some of us would like to poke our noses into the schems... :) > > I have always felt the Alfredo Lite could be PLL-tuned, so naturally, > I'm interested. Not yet to buy, though- Budget-minded mousie, here. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- Jon Kenneke, General Manager Kenneke Communications - http://www.kenneke.com PO Box 3126 - Albany, OR 97321-0702 Radio Takena KTK - http://www.radiotakena.org From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 18 18:20:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 01:20:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 28055 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 01:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 01:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 01:20:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2003 01:20:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 01:20:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2136 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > OK, what is your dream radio? What features and bells & whistles > wsould you like, aside from AM stereo, of course? :) From all the reviews I've heard of it, the Denon TU-680NAB seemed to be pretty close to a "dream" radio, as-is. However, its "narrow" bandwidth mode is merely an *audio* filter, and it has some unused circuit traces on the board which may have been for a true narrow- bandwidth IF circuit, which would have been a welcome addition to aid DXing. Even better would be an automatically variable bandwidth, like that of AMAX car radios -- which I don't think any home receiver has made use of, not even in the communications receiver genre. Basically, I'd love to combine the Denon's superb audio quality with the MCS 3050 tuner's superb reception -- and then that would be one *fantastic* radio, at least for home use. The Chrysler and GM/Delco AMAX car radios are already as close to "dream" status as I could ever desire, although when transplanted to home use, they don't seem to perform nearly as well; without the presence of a ton and a half of steel as the ground, they pick up more electrical interference when used indoors, and they don't have the advantage of a directional loop antenna to help null it out. But speaking of which, if I had only one dream which could come true, I would fix all of the noisy power lines everywhere. Although there are certainly many more sources of AM radio interference to deal with, that alone would cure a lot of problems and make AM listening, both on the road and indoors, much more pleasant and annoyance-free. Then, if I had another wish, I would call for the instant removal of all LED-type traffic light signals. Those things are nothing but a total AM RFI nightmare!! Some of the newer ones, where the actual LEDs are more closely spaced, are not so bad, but most give an obnoxiously loud "RAZZZZ" or "HSSSHHH" on even the strongest AM signals as you drive underneath them. And there are even monetary incentives being given to replace conventional traffic lights with LED signals, due to the lower energy consumption -- GRRR!! From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun May 18 18:23:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 01:23:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 77327 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 01:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 01:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 01:23:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2003 01:23:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 01:23:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: PLL module for Alfredo-lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 198 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jon wrote: > > I'll try and get the schems up one of these days (as usuall, it a hand > drawn thing) Looking forward to it. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun May 18 21:05:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 04:05:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 28150 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 04:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 04:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 04:05:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2003 04:05:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 04:05:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 999 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 129.44.56.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > Hmmm, let's see if this sparks some discussion, here. :) > > OK, what is your dream radio? What features and bells & whistles > wsould you like, aside from AM stereo, of course? :) Or, expanding on > the AM stereo part, what extra features would you like? More modes? > > C'mon, be creative! Perhaps some smartass might actually -build- one > of these, if inspired enough. :) > > So, come on, now- Your dream radio. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ A protable it would need to be. It would have an AM and FM stereo/mono switch. A second switch would switch the unit from wide to narrow regardless of stereo mode. It would have a GREAT cassette deck to aircheck with. The AM would have to be very sensitive and the FM as well. Analog tuning with an accurate dial and a nice sounding pair of speakers. It would have to perform flawlessly in high RF fields. Antenna connectors on the back for external elements. From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun May 18 21:11:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 04:11:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 72628 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 04:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 04:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.98) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 04:11:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 May 2003 21:11:29 -0700 Received: from 172.173.219.211 by bay7-dav41.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 19 May 2003 04:11:29 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Your dream AM stereo radio? Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 00:11:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2003 04:11:29.0694 (UTC) FILETIME=[B95553E0:01C31DBC] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.173.219.211] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 amymousie wrote: > OK, what is your dream radio? It would be an AMAX certified car radio with Multisystem AM Stereo, X-band on AM, as well as Short-wave from 1.8 - 30 MHz tuning. It would also have FM Stereo and have a switch to disable the stereo blend circuit for both AM and FM. It would have preamp outputs and have a CD deck or CD changer controls on the unit as well as the remote control. It would fit in a standard DIN mount. It would be kind of like a souped up Becker Mexico or Blaupunkt Berlin. Or.... An AM Stereo enabled Grundig Sattlit700 with Stereo speakers My other choice is already in production, but I just cannot afford Marv's price at this time. Or just bring back the Kenwood KRC-959 with X-Band tuning That was one GOOD multisystem AM Stereo tuner! Now, since it is MY dream, Bring back the AM Stereo system that isn't afraid of the dark, KAHN ISB, so my favorite songs won't whoosh back and forth between left and right during selective fading. Yes I heard platform motion on WPCI 1490 this weekend on a modern AM Stereo radio in a Ford Cobra. Possum Long ago when men cursed and beat the ground with sticks, it was called Witchcraft............... Today, it's called Golf. From rwagoner1@mac.com Sun May 18 21:15:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 04:15:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 74637 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 04:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 04:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 04:14:56 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030519041454.RADT11963.fed1mtao01.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 00:14:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:14:57 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <73345EA9-89B0-11D7-B4C6-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner On Sunday, May 18, 2003, at 06:20 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > From all the reviews I've heard of it, the Denon TU-680NAB seemed to > be pretty close to a "dream" radio, as-is. I wish I could remember why, but the Denon didn't impress me nearly as much as the Carver. That's why I bought the Carver, even though it cost more (though if I waited a relatively short time, the Denon's were being sold as clearance for something like $299. What I want is extremely full sound, with clear, tight bass (as in my Fisher tube receiver) along with stereo. Or maybe just a Carver tx11b with remote control ... From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun May 18 22:41:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 05:41:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 94925 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 05:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 05:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 05:41:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2003 05:41:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 05:41:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1682 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.237 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Basically, I'd love to combine the Denon's superb audio quality with > the MCS 3050 tuner's superb reception -- and then that would be one > *fantastic* radio, at least for home use. > > The Chrysler and GM/Delco AMAX car radios are already as close to > "dream" status as I could ever desire, although when transplanted to > home use, they don't seem to perform nearly as well; without the > presence of a ton and a half of steel as the ground, they pick up > more electrical interference when used indoors, and they don't have > the advantage of a directional loop antenna to help null it out. > I have to say one thing about the radios that use the 13020 chip being all analog it is extremely sensitive. The 13028 seems to completely cut out when the signal drops below a certain level. The Motorola patent 5,249,204 issued in Sept '93 describes the use of digital circuitry to obtain the envelope from the synchronously detected I & Q signals. This allows for the processing of the Env, I & Q signals for minimum distortion. It also provides phase error correction probably for platform motion. While these features allow for superior signal processing the inherent characteristics of digital processing would produce this kind of cut out when the signal drops below the threshold level for good sampling. It was filed in Aug '91 so I don't know if this technology found its way into the 13028 but I was told by someone who talked to a Motorola Rep and said that the 13028 used extensive digital signal processing and the datasheet says that it contains 679 active transistors. JSG From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon May 19 00:55:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 07:55:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 81866 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 07:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 07:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 07:55:46 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030519075543.RVTM18731.fed1mtao06.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 03:55:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 00:55:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Subject: Wideband WNBC (not stereo) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <4B87112E-89CF-11D7-B4C6-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking around one of my favorite sites, www.reelradio.com, I found=20 this: > On August 22, 1988, Michael DeMonti started recording WNBC Time=20 > Machine programs using a stereo AM tuner and a HI-FI VHS recorder =97=20 > six hours overnight, all night long, Midnight 'til 6AM, for ten days. > > Michael writes, "The sound quality is very good for AM but for some=20 > reason, it doesn't sound like stereo. These tapes were made in the=20 > weeks prior to the end of WNBC." > > Two hours of talk programming were not included, but thanks to Michael=20 > for his contribution of 58 hours of WNBC overnight from August, 1988!=20 > This is an extraordinary gift to the REELRADIO REPOSITORY and this=20 > page will be updated often, and there will be some new early-hour=20 > airchecks of Don Imus , as well. We agree with Michael that these are=20 > not AM Stereo recordings, but they are 10Khz (wideband) AM monaural=20 > recordings, and yes, the sound quality is very good! As mentioned they are not stereo, but once again they demonstrate that=20 analog AM can sound damn good. Richard Wagoner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jim@burgan.net Mon May 19 04:56:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 11:56:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 40118 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 11:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 11:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 11:56:33 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-223-134-76.client.insightbb.com[12.223.134.76]) by sccimhc02.insightbb.com (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030519115632im200acmqne>; Mon, 19 May 2003 11:56:32 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c31dfd$b0d9a1d0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 06:56:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Then, if I had another wish, I would >call for the instant removal of >all LED-type traffic light signals. >Those things are nothing but a >total AM RFI nightmare!! >Some of the newer ones, where the >actual LEDs are more closely spaced, >are not so bad, but most give an >obnoxiously loud "RAZZZZ" or "HSSSHHH" >on even the strongest AM >signals as you drive underneath them. >And there are even monetary >incentives being given to replace >conventional traffic lights with >LED signals, due to the lower energy >consumption -- GRRR!! I've read about this before but I have yet to hear an example. They have replaced several conventional stoplights locally with the new LED-type signals and they have not affected any frequency I listen to regularly (700 kHz, 840 kHz, 890 kHz, 1010kHz, 1070kHz, 1390 kHz). I have not parked under/near one of these and done a band scan, but so far I hear nothing out of them locally. None of our LED traffic lights are over a year old yet, so perhaps they are of some new shielded design, but the ones in use here seem to cause no RFI problems that I've heard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon May 19 06:25:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 13:25:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 47207 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 13:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 13:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.98) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 13:25:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 May 2003 06:25:18 -0700 Received: from 172.173.3.197 by bay7-dav41.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 19 May 2003 13:25:18 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <4B87112E-89CF-11D7-B4C6-0005021D3C76@mac.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wideband WNBC (not stereo) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:25:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2003 13:25:18.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[175AD1C0:01C31E0A] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.173.3.197] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 > Michael writes, "The sound quality is very good for AM but for some reason, it doesn't sound like stereo. These tapes were made in the weeks prior to the end of WNBC." He must have used a C-QUAM only radio to record WNBC. I used to listen on a Kenwood Multisystem car stereo and they sounded 90 miles wide. I am 90% sure WNBC was a Kahn station. The best sounding Kahn stations were WQXR and WBT. Possum Long ago when men cursed and beat the ground with sticks, it was called Witchcraft............... Today, it's called Golf. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 19 07:52:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 14:52:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 85798 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 14:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 14:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 14:52:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2003 14:52:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:52:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Wideband WNBC (not stereo) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 431 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I am 90% sure WNBC was a Kahn station. Yes, 660 WNBC was in Kahn AM Stereo until the end of their music format, at which point the WFAN sports format made its debut in C-Quam Stereo, which remained on the station until about a year ago. The C-Quam exciter has since been removed from WFAN's air-chain, but I have word that it has been put in safe keeping, in case they ever have the intention to make use of it again. From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon May 19 08:35:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 15:35:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 28890 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 15:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 15:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 15:35:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2003 15:35:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:35:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1305 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.126 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > OK, what is your dream radio? What features and bells & whistles > > wsould you like, aside from AM stereo, of course? :) > > From all the reviews I've heard of it, the Denon TU-680NAB seemed to > be pretty close to a "dream" radio, as-is. IF you can get a working one it's OK. Denon's quality control on this model was non existant. A group ordered a dozen of these, and had to send 10 back, and out of the other 2 non of them work properly now. > Then, if I had another wish, I would call for the instant removal of > all LED-type traffic light signals. Those things are nothing but a > total AM RFI nightmare!! Some of the newer ones, where the actual > LEDs are more closely spaced, are not so bad, but most give an > obnoxiously loud "RAZZZZ" or "HSSSHHH" on even the strongest AM > signals as you drive underneath them. And there are even monetary > incentives being given to replace conventional traffic lights with > LED signals, due to the lower energy consumption -- GRRR!! I have never seen this problem. Problem is the COST of changing the burned out lamps in addition to power consumption. Cost of changing a lamp is NOT small considering the time and equipment to do it. Powell From geoffp@cox.net Mon May 19 09:59:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: geoffp@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 16:59:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 88077 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 14:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 14:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 14:57:47 -0000 Received: from Phoenix ([68.2.86.38]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20030519145745.LEF11297.fed1mtao02.cox.net@Phoenix> for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 10:57:45 -0400 Message-ID: <002201c31e17$025594b0$1102a8c0@Phoenix> To: "amstereoforum" Subject: Sony SRF-M100 9-10KHz? Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:57:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Geoff Perkins" Reply-To: "Geoff Perkins" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=147905257 X-Yahoo-Profile: narrowband45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I'm new to this forum, but I think this may be the only place I can find an answer to this question :- I have a Sony SRF-M100 AM Stereo portable that works just fine in Japan (9KHz spacing), but is it possible to reset the AM spacing to US standards (10KHz), and also possibly to cover the full US FM band? I'm an engineer, so schematics could help too. Any help would be appreciated. Many thanks, Geoff. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Mon May 19 13:15:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 20:15:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 85325 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 20:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 20:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 20:15:17 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.192]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 16:14:23 -0400 Message-ID: <002601c31e43$753a4120$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <002201c31e17$025594b0$1102a8c0@Phoenix> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-M100 9-10KHz? Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:15:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Hi Geoff- This model was designed only for the Japan domestic market. The stepping cannot be changed, as it is programmed into the microprocessor. There were a few Sonys with "world-wide" tuning available, but this one is not. (I had a go-around with Sony about this model, and it seems the firmware code was not burned into the MPU IC for world wide use) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Perkins To: amstereoforum Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:57 AM Subject: {AMSF} Sony SRF-M100 9-10KHz? > Hello, > I'm new to this forum, but I think this may be the only place I can find an answer to this question :- > I have a Sony SRF-M100 AM Stereo portable that works just fine in Japan (9KHz spacing), From michaelj@vcn.com Mon May 19 15:11:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 22:11:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 58219 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 21:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 21:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 21:43:45 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.79]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 15:43:44 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:42:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to agree on the LED traffic light signals. WYDOT just changed out ALL of our signals here in Evanston (all 10 of 'em!) to LED lights. I have had zero problems and have never had any buzz going under them. A set is right outside my shop about 25 feet away from where I'm sitting. As much as I'm in the Salt Lake City metropolitan area, most over there have been changed over as well and again...this includes listening to AM and listening to distant signals or whatever. I never get any interference from the LED traffic lights. Michael n WYO > obnoxiously loud "RAZZZZ" or "HSSSHHH" on even the strongest AM > signals as you drive underneath them. And there are even monetary > incentives being given to replace conventional traffic lights with > LED signals, due to the lower energy consumption -- GRRR!! I have never seen this problem. Problem is the COST of changing the burned out lamps in addition to power consumption. Cost of changing a lamp is NOT small considering the time and equipment to do it. Powell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 19 15:24:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 22:24:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 67546 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 18:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 18:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 18:13:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2003 18:13:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 18:13:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another article on the IBOC stumble Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4334 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is from: http://beradio.com/ar/radio_currents_28/index.htm NRSC Suspends IBOC Standard-Setting Washington - May 15, 2003 - The National Radio Systems Committee, a co-sponsored effort of the National Association of Broadcasters and the Consumer Electronics Association, created a DAB subcommittee that has been responsible for evaluating systems for use in the United States. The subcommittee has been focused on Ibiquity Digital's IBOC for some time. The NRSC DAB subcommittee released a letter to its members stating that the groups efforts in setting a standard have been temporarily suspended. The following is excerpted from the memo: As a result of growing concerns over the audio quality of iBiquity's low bit-rate codec, the NRSC DAB Subcommittee is temporarily suspending its IBOC DAB standards-setting process. This action is being taken, by unanimous approval of the DAB Subcommittee's Steering Committee, in accordance with the Subcommittee's long-standing goal of supporting the development of a digital radio system offering significant improvements over existing AM and FM analog services. These concerns have arisen recently, as a result of both information submitted to the NRSC by iBiquity as well as by demonstrations of the Ibiquity AM IBOC system at the 2003 CES, at NAB2003, and at the studios of National Public Radio (NPR) in Washington, D.C. The NPR event was a private audio demonstration organized by Ibiquity; at that time Ibiquity stated the audio being demonstrated was based on the latest version of Ibiquity's proprietary audio coding algorithm, PAC, and was the version to be implemented in first generation IBOC receivers. DAB Subcommittee members who attended the NPR demonstration do not consider the audio quality demonstrated by the Ibiquity 36kb/s PAC technology to be suitable for broadcast. This demonstration confirms subjective test data produced by iBiquity and reviewed by the NRSC early in 2003 (Ibiquity ultimately withdrew this subjective test data submission from consideration by the NRSC, indicating that improvements to PAC were currently being made). In order to allow time for Ibiquity to resolve any matters relating to its audio coding technology prior to continuation of NRSC standardization, the DAB Subcommittee is temporarily suspending its IBOC DAB standard-setting process. The NRSC will consider resuming standard-setting immediately when Ibiquity has demonstrated to the NRSC that the audio coding problems of concern have been resolved. Ibiquity released the following statement: "Due to some specific concerns about the current state of the AM audio quality, the NRSC has temporarily suspended standard setting efforts for IBOC digital broadcasting. At this time, we concur with their decision to temporarily delay these efforts until the issue is resolved. The NRSC has not expressed any concerns about the core system architecture or implementation of IBOC. There are no issues with coverage, reception or functionality. The issue is in the audio coder and has to do specifically with AM audio quality. The resolution will be a software upgrade, and no other changes to the system will be necessary. As such, we have an on-going improvement plan and anticipate resolution of the AM audio quality issue as soon as possible. Ibiquity and its partners continue to support radio's transition to digital broadcasting and look forward to capitalizing on the potential for HD Radio." At issue is the quality of the encoding algorithm currently being used by Ibiquity. The PAC algorithm, while designed for low bit-rate transmission, has apparently been judged to provide insufficient quality by the NRSC subcommittee. At the NAB2003 convention, similar comments were the topic of discussion among convention attendees, particularly for the AM service. Ibiquity previously had used AAC coding in many tests. The PAC algorithm, developed by Lucent, was implemented more recently. Ibiquity is the result of USA Digital Radio and Lucent Digital Radio merging. Several receiver manufacturers had planned to introduce commercially available IBOC receivers this summer. There is no word yet on whether this announcement will affect that rollout. From ccuff@in4web.com Mon May 19 15:55:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 19 May 2003 22:55:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 44264 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 22:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 22:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 22:22:41 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.133]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 18:21:47 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c31e55$4175d2c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: LED traffic lites Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 18:23:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I haven't heard any interference lately either- only at first- with a few of the first ones. I will say this- they are obnoxiously bright! Just think- soon, we will have LED headlights- it's coming.... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:42 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? > I have to agree on the LED traffic light signals. WYDOT just changed out > ALL of our signals here in Evanston (all 10 of 'em!) to LED lights. I have > had zero problems From dav259@csiro.au Mon May 19 17:32:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 20 May 2003 00:32:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 24792 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 00:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2003 00:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2003 00:32:40 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4K0Wc709222 for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 10:32:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:32:38 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Oz digital trials Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Trials of digital radio down under have been delayed seven months due to an unresolved local Council development application for a 3 meter (10 foot) extension to a radio antenna in Sydney. The trials will be of Eureka 147 - but Commercial Radio Australia (read NAB) still hasn't given up on IBOC or DRM. A spokesperson for CRA has said "a problem with IBOC is the current lack of IBOC-capable digital radios". Funny about that ... Ian From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 19 18:56:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 20 May 2003 01:56:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 10059 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 01:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2003 01:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2003 01:56:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2003 01:56:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 01:56:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: LED traffic lites Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003001c31e55$4175d2c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1510 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I haven't heard any interference lately either- only at first- with > a few of the first ones. I will say this- they are obnoxiously > bright! Here in NJ we got the first LED traffic lights around 1998-1999, and these early models where you can see the individual "dots" (round LEDs) in each "light" are all obnoxious sources of RFI -- sometimes even on the FM band! Due to the long life, these will undoubtedly be in service for many years, generating this obnoxious RF "hash". Newer LED traffic lights, installed within the past year or two, which use a more coherent grid of rectangular LEDs, don't seem to be as bad, but will still often generate a loud hiss or buzz on anything less than very strong AM signals as you drive underneath them. Thankfully, about 25% of new traffic light installations in my area still are using conventional RFI-free incandescent lamps. In fact, one of these was just put up right in front of the Lucent/iBiquity headquarters here in Warren, NJ -- perhaps the IBOC folks don't like "hash" to be coming from their traffic light?? p.s. I have spoken with an RFI representative from the electric company in my area (JCP&L), and they say they are fully aware of the AM radio interference problem with LED traffic lights, but unfortunately since these are not the electric company's property, they can't do anything about this problem -- same thing with the IBOC "hash" around 710 WOR's signal, which some customers mistake for electrical interference!! From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon May 19 21:51:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 20 May 2003 04:51:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 39034 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 04:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2003 04:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2003 04:51:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2003 04:51:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 04:51:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WNBC Kahn Airchain Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 174 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.101.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I am 90% sure WNBC was a Kahn station. http://www.w3am.com/wnbc400.jpg From 1983 until 1988 From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon May 19 22:00:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 20 May 2003 05:00:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 51758 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 05:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2003 05:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2003 05:00:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2003 05:00:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 04:59:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WNBC Kahn Airchain Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1499 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.101.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > I am 90% sure WNBC was a Kahn station. > > http://www.w3am.com/wnbc400.jpg > > From 1983 until 1988 Audio came from 30 Rock into a 4 band crossover special made called the WNBC audio processor (all it was was a crossover, did no compression... it's at the tippy top of rack one). It was then sent into the eight Inovonics 220 compressors you see (Left L, M1, M2, H and Right). From there, it went back into the WNBC audio processor to be recombined and moved on to the WNBC Audio Limiter, which was a 3 band crossover (the silver unit under the Belar). Out of that it went to the Superdynamic limiters seen on the right pieces 3, 4 and 5 below the Belar. After that, audio returned to the WNBC Audio Limiter and moved to the Kahn stuff twoards the botton of rack 2. The CRL SEP-400's were part of the backup chain (left rack to the bottom). The DAP-310 fed the RCA 5 kw 3rd transmitter. It sounded supurb... but I know a station that sounded better ;) I need to seriously encode audio from WNYG (circa 2000). We were using Moseley and CRL/CBS gear and the station blows the Time Machine airchain away.... I wish we had more time there. Audio was recorded on an MK Dymek AM5 tuner (for those who don't know, it is the benchmark in wideband AM reception). Audio is almost flat 50-15k in the wideband mode. From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon May 19 23:14:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 20 May 2003 06:14:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 19808 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 06:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2003 06:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2003 06:14:51 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030520061448.JFLV18769.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 02:14:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 23:14:47 -0700 Subject: RDS Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5BBE83BC-8A8A-11D7-B4C6-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KIIS-FM Launches 'Hear It, Like It, Buy It' Service Using dMarc's dRDS technology, L.A. listeners who see the song/artist text display on their car or portable radio will be prompted to call 877-SONG-NOW to buy the CD. dMarc's Ryan Steelberg tells R&R that prices will be competitive with online and offline alternatives, using different fulfillment vendors. Station revenue from CD sales will vary according to dMarc contract terms. "This is really an amazing new medium for both established and new artists to garner sales of their albums and promote local performances," says Steelberg. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue May 20 00:52:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 20 May 2003 07:52:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 58442 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 07:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2003 07:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2003 07:52:00 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.15f.20a1a3e3 (4340) for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 03:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15f.20a1a3e3.2bfb3893@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 03:51:47 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Your dream AM stereo radio? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would go along with including shortwave, but only the international broadcast bands, for mobile applications. The basic models should include only the four most popular bands (the 6, 9, 11 and 15 MHz bands; the 11 MHz band can be substituted with the 13 MHz band). Only these bands should be included: 120 Meters: 2.3-2.5 MHz (2300-2500 kHz) 90 Meters: 3.2-3.4 MHz (3200-3400 kHz) 60 Meters: 4.65-5.1 MHz (4650-5100 kHz) 49 Meters: 5.7-6.3 MHz (5700-6300 kHz) 41 Meters: 7.3-7.8 MHz (7300-7800 kHz) 31 Meters: 9.3-10 MHz (9300-10000 kHz) 25 Meters: 11.5-12.2 MHz (11500-12200 kHz) 22 Meters: 13.5-13.9 MHz (13500-13900 kHz) 19 Meters: 15-15.85 MHz (15000-15850 kHz) 16 Meters: 17.5-17.9 MHz (17500-17900 kHz) 13 Meters: 21.4-21.9 MHz (21400-21900 kHz) The 75 Meter Band (3.8-4.0 MHz, or 3800-4000 kHz) should only be included for European and Asian markets. The only digital provision would be for DRM for the shortwave frequencies. The high-end models should also include the NOAA Weather Radio frequencies (162.4-162.55 MHz) and all the above shortwave bands. The mid-level models should include a minimum of six shortwave bands. The basic models should have the minimum of four shortwave bands. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 20 00:52:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 20 May 2003 07:52:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 92062 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 07:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2003 07:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2003 07:52:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2003 07:52:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:52:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RDS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5BBE83BC-8A8A-11D7-B4C6-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1658 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Using dMarc's dRDS technology, L.A. listeners who see the > song/artist text display on their car or portable radio will be > prompted to call 877-SONG-NOW to buy the CD. It RDS can make a comeback in the USA, then I think AM Stereo can as well (after all, the installed base of AM Stereo-capable receivers is likely greater than that of RDS-capable receivers) -- especially now that IBOC is "on hold" and may not ever be able to recover. iBiquity's latest prediction on when IBOC receivers would become available was the "first half of 2003"... now when is it going to be? 2004? And by then, will anybody really care anymore? iBiquity must have hired the same marketing department that said HDTV sets would arrive in stores in 1995, and that by now, *everybody* would be watching HDTV. You also have to remember that the first IBOC receivers, if/when they become available, won't be cheap -- and even if they were, that wouldn't be a guarantee of success. Right now, you can buy a cheap DVD player for about the same price as a cheap mono VCR... but the VCRs have the advantage of being able to record, and when played on the mono TV sets that most people still have (and are still buying), the quality is acceptable for the average consumer -- thus, mono VCRs continue to be sold, even though they have been obsolete for over two decades! p.s. Methinks Kenwood's current "HD Radio-Ready" receivers will become as much of a relic as Philco's pre-WWII radios that said: "Built to receive television sound The Wireless Way, when used with Philco Television Picture Receiver, without wires, plug in, or connections of any kind." From dougharding@mindspring.com Tue May 20 05:01:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 20 May 2003 12:01:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 86110 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 11:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2003 11:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2003 11:59:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2003 11:59:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:59:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15f.20a1a3e3.2bfb3893@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 274 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding My dream AM Stereo radio would be an aftermarket Car Stereo with CD and cassette that received AM stereo and was AMAX certified with a wide/narrow band switch for AM. Actually I wish there was at least one AM stereo aftermarket car stereo period. Right now there are none. From fanfare@globility.com Tue May 20 05:45:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 20 May 2003 12:45:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 18466 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 12:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2003 12:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2003 12:43:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2003 12:43:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:43:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RDS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5BBE83BC-8A8A-11D7-B4C6-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1584 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > KIIS-FM Launches 'Hear It, Like It, Buy It' Service > > Using dMarc's dRDS technology, L.A. listeners who see the > song/artist text display on their car or portable radio will be > prompted to call 877-SONG-NOW to buy the CD. dMarc's Ryan > Steelberg tells R&R that prices will be competitive with online > and offline alternatives, using different fulfillment vendors. IMHO, sounds like a job for "Smart Card". Back in '94 I did a study of Coupon radio which married a card swiper with a buffer in the radio's front end. When a special was broadcast from your favorite station e.g pizza at 50% off if card swiped and redeemed within a certain timeframe - you then took the card to the advertiser's store where they downloaded the info from your card and you walked away with a pizza at 50% off). A Smart Card system built into a car radio (they are already in use in Europe), can record whatever you want it to for download onto a computer that is equipped with a reader. The computer could even make the call and arrange the purchase. As a an added benefit one might be able to download a couple of tracks in MP3 to maintain interest until the CD arrives. Simple enough. All it takes is a receiver design with some vision and a retail infrastructure that can support the system. We already have the payment gateways in place. All that would be needed then is a fulfillment system and there are lots of those around. M.S. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 20 08:44:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 20 May 2003 15:44:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 85548 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 15:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2003 15:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2003 15:44:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2003 15:43:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:43:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Your dream AM stereo radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15f.20a1a3e3.2bfb3893@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 961 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > I would go along with including shortwave, but only the international > broadcast bands, for mobile applications. The basic models should include > only the four most popular bands (the 6, 9, 11 and 15 MHz bands; the 11 MHz > band can be substituted with the 13 MHz band). Only these bands should be > included: =snip= While I agree wit5h the inclusion of shortwave (I would include longwave, too), what I've learbed over the years is that the shortwave broadcast bands change almost constantly--- AND a number of SW broadcasters broadcast OUTSIDE the assigned ITU bands (like North Korea, at 6650kHz), not to mention the AMer hams in the various amateur bands (like Jeff WA2FNQ's AMS signals on 75m on the east coast). What I would want is at least 150kHz-30MHz, continuous, if not even lower (down to 15kHz?). (Must be the experienced DXer & SWLer in mke. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 20 10:01:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 20 May 2003 17:01:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 92555 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 17:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2003 17:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2003 17:01:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20030520170125.1763.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 May 2003 10:01:25 PDT Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How to present AMS when IBOC is down To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi all, been recovering from pneumonia, so not up to 'fighting' speed just yet, but we have a golden opportunity to quote the quotes from Radio World - (make sure you give RW credit for the quotations), and present it in the appropriate manner to the FCC by commenting on 99-325 and suggesting that they allow Leonard Kahn's system to be tested during the 'one-year' test period that I had previously suggested. They (the FCC) should allow mutliple transmitting and RECEIVING standards to be tested to improve the AM Band. I suggest we push for AMAX standards, and/or other new technology such as the Omega reception system that all radios that have the iBquity FM IBOC must have an AM section meeting stereo AMAX standards. Please do your part to flood the FCC with comments at this time! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From eh@mad.scientist.com Tue May 20 13:01:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: eh@mad.scientist.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 20 May 2003 20:01:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 86609 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 20:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2003 20:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc51.attbi.com) (204.127.198.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2003 20:01:25 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (h0004ac962bf6.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.34.138.93]) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with SMTP id <20030520200124051001v3k4e>; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:01:24 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Electric Brain To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Your dream AM stereo radio? Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:58:41 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200305201558.41450.eh@mad.scientist.com> From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61599074 X-Yahoo-Profile: eirikurh 1) Pass-band tuning (TRF front end) My Grundig Sattelit 700 does this. It allows tuning the detector center on the station but offsetting the pass band to attenuate an adjacent station. 1a) Q / Bandwidth continuous control. This is probably at the IF. 2) Built-in (for portables) or optional external "hot-rod" dual ferrite antenna like an old direction finder (Hallicrafters, Bendix, et. al.) and the C. Crane Justice AM antenna. On the portable radio, the antenna must extend a bit and rotate to take advantage of nulling. 3) Synchronous Detector (ala Grundig and Sony Shortwave radios) or other circuitry to compensate for fading. Hmmm, AGC (Automatic Gain Control) should go without saying, but it's a tough job. Fading isn't all that different from the swells and fades in some of my favorite music. I don't know that a synch detector can be built that won't have serious audio distortion. I'm not an expert on them. 4) Perhaps this could be a software radio. Antenna -> TRF amp -> DAC -> software goodness. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuradio/ I've been thinking of trying to design and build my own radio with all sorts of control of the circuit (zillions of knobs). Nay-saying friends say that stray inductance and capacitance in a breadboard version would make it difficult. I suppose I should eat my own dogfood and just build the TRF front end and go digital, but that wasn't what I was thinking of. Eirikur From dav259@csiro.au Tue May 20 17:13:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 21 May 2003 00:13:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 96367 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 23:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2003 23:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2003 23:09:49 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4KN9l706846 for ; Wed, 21 May 2003 09:09:47 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:09:47 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: IBOC receivers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 20 May 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > iBiquity's latest prediction on when IBOC receivers would become > available was the "first half of 2003"... now when is it going to > be? 2004? And by then, will anybody really care anymore? This is stupid - and makes me angry. Why should people who appreciate hi-fi stereo sound be deprived of it because some dickheads with their snouts in the trough persist with this complete stuff-up? The NAB in particular should have a good look at itself!!! Ian From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 20 17:21:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 21 May 2003 00:21:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 51466 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 23:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2003 23:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2003 23:36:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2003 23:36:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 23:36:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: How to present AMS when IBOC is down Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030520170125.1763.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2241 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Hi all, been recovering from pneumonia, so not up to 'fighting' speed just yet, Ugh, I know how you feel. Us mice get hit -hard- by things like pheumonia, especially us diabetic mice. :( I wish you a speedy recovery. > but we have a golden opportunity to quote the quotes from Radio World - (make > sure you give RW credit for the quotations), and present it in the appropriate > manner to the FCC by commenting on 99-325 and suggesting that they allow > Leonard Kahn's system to be tested during the 'one-year' test period that I had > previously suggested. They (the FCC) should allow mutliple transmitting and > RECEIVING standards to be tested to improve the AM Band. I suggest we push for > AMAX standards, and/or other new technology such as the Omega reception system > that all radios that have the iBquity FM IBOC must have an AM section meeting > stereo AMAX standards. Please do your part to flood the FCC with comments at > this time! The FCC is currently being unundated with upwards to 150,000 (!) comments on the ownership ruling docket, according to one of the two Democratic members of the FCC board (who urges EVERYONE to comment on the ruling, especially to defeat it), who was just on San Francisco's KGO AM 810 Monday night (which I heard via the web, live), which he stated was unprecidented, since they'd normally get a few hundred to a few thousand comments. I do think the following: 1: AM should remain adherent to the NRSC 10kHz curve, at least, along with AMAX compatibility. 2: C-QUAM should remain the -industry- standard for broadcasting and reception, EXCEPT that all other systems be allowed for operation and experimentation on an as-is/optional basis, PROVIDING that all systems adhere, at least as a minimum, to STRICK interference standards. 4: Digital transmission schemes, until they can be TRANSPARENTLY implemented, must remain EXPERIMENTAL, work with interference standards, as well as quality standards, which at which point, once it it is perfected for commercial implementation, ONLY THEN may it be introduced commercially, and perhaps introduced as a standard. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 20 17:53:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 21 May 2003 00:53:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 34376 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 00:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2003 00:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2003 00:53:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2003 00:53:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 00:52:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200305201558.41450.eh@mad.scientist.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1044 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 1a) Q / Bandwidth continuous control. This is probably at the IF. Some high-end receivers had a "Selectivity" or "Fidelity" control which provided a continuously variable IF bandwidth -- in the 1930s!! High-fidelity AM radio was a reality back then -- but program material rarely took advantage of it, except for a few special "hi-fi" broadcasts by stations above 1500 kHz, like 1560 W2XR in New York City (which became WQXR, and then later WQEW). > Antenna -> TRF amp -> DAC -> software goodness. Forget that... if somebody could make a regenerative receiver with AM Stereo, I'd be all for it. I've never built or used one myself, but in the late '20s and early '30s, radio magazines were raving about the simplicity and performance of regenerative radio designs, and modern solid-state recreations of these schematics are also reported to work fantastically. By using the built-in oscillation, you even get CW (Morse Code) and SSB reception at no extra cost. Or, even better... how about a crystal radio with AM Stereo? :-) From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 20 18:18:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 21 May 2003 01:18:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 37494 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 01:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2003 01:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2003 01:18:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2003 01:18:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 01:18:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC receivers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 915 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Tue, 20 May 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > > > iBiquity's latest prediction on when IBOC receivers would become > > available was the "first half of 2003"... now when is it going to > > be? 2004? And by then, will anybody really care anymore? > > This is stupid - and makes me angry. > > Why should people who appreciate hi-fi stereo sound be deprived of it > because some dickheads with their snouts in the trough persist with this > complete stuff-up? Ian, depending on one's point of view, those two lines could be interpreted either way, that is, pro-digital, or pro-AMS. > The NAB in particular should have a good look at itself!!! Kinda hard, when it's made up pretty much of corporates, and not so much the Little Guys who might be hurt by some of these boneheaded decisions, such as the support of IBOC. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 20 18:20:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 21 May 2003 01:20:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 94397 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 01:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2003 01:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2003 01:20:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2003 01:20:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 01:20:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: How to present AMS when IBOC is down Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 304 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: =bigsnip= > The FCC is currently being unundated with upwards to 150,000 (!) Arrrgh, typos, the mouse's curse! :/ INUNDATED Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 20 18:34:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 21 May 2003 01:34:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 60575 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 01:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2003 01:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2003 01:34:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2003 01:34:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 01:34:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1929 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > 1a) Q / Bandwidth continuous control. This is probably at the IF. > > Some high-end receivers had a "Selectivity" or "Fidelity" control > which provided a continuously variable IF bandwidth -- in the 1930s!! > High-fidelity AM radio was a reality back then -- but program > material rarely took advantage of it, except for a few special > "hi-fi" broadcasts by stations above 1500 kHz, like 1560 W2XR in > New York City (which became WQXR, and then later WQEW). Not to mention quadrature-phased AM was already a reality before 1920- - SSB by means of quadrature phasing was filed in 1915, and patented in 1923, as Patent # 1,449,382, to a J.R.Carson of NYC, for AT&T. > > Antenna -> TRF amp -> DAC -> software goodness. > > Forget that... if somebody could make a regenerative receiver with > AM Stereo, I'd be all for it. I've never built or used one myself, > but in the late '20s and early '30s, radio magazines were raving > about the simplicity and performance of regenerative radio designs, > and modern solid-state recreations of these schematics are also > reported to work fantastically. By using the built-in oscillation, > you even get CW (Morse Code) and SSB reception at no extra cost. Yes, they work- Most radios before 1960 -were- regenerative, which were inherently de-Q'ed, if I recall. I've had a solid-state regenerative AM/SW radio, made from a kit from....Radio Shack! And yes, it worked great.. :) I see no reason why a regenerative AMS radio can't be built. > Or, even better... how about a crystal radio with AM Stereo? :-) Also not impossible, as long as the circuit is not considerably voltage-driven, and something I would like to see...and hear. :) Anyone here want to take up the4se challenges, along with my challenge for an IC-less C-QUAM radio, or even a tube-based one? ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 20 18:46:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 21 May 2003 01:46:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 90408 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 01:46:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2003 01:46:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2003 01:46:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2003 01:46:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 01:46:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 750 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Also not impossible, as long as the circuit is not considerably > voltage-driven, and something I would like to see...and hear. :) BTW, I've seen a schematic for a one-transistor "crystal" radio, with no battery or other source of power indicated. Is this possible? I've made a solar-powered transistor radio, but never a transistor radio powered solely by the incoming airwaves. p.s. At my home, with a sufficient antenna, I can hear 710 WOR with nothing more than a diode and an earphone. Also, if I don't hook up a C-Quam decoder chip to anything (no IF input or ground), it picks up WOR's signal (along with various shortwave signals at night). Perhaps I'll make a recording of WOR's IBOC hash, as received on a crystal radio! From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 20 21:09:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 21 May 2003 04:09:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 88952 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 04:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2003 04:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2003 04:09:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2003 04:09:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 04:09:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1867 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I don't know if Yahoo! Groups burped and my response didn't take, so this will be try #2. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Also not impossible, as long as the circuit is not considerably > > voltage-driven, and something I would like to see...and hear. :) > > BTW, I've seen a schematic for a one-transistor "crystal" radio, with > no battery or other source of power indicated. Is this possible? > I've made a solar-powered transistor radio, but never a transistor > radio powered solely by the incoming airwaves. It's quite possible. Most transistor Xtal sets, though, uses the transistor in a powered amplifier, but yes, it can be done. For more on crystal radio sets, there are plenty of links online- Here are some: http://www.midnightscience.com/ http://www.thebest.net/wuggy/ http://www.techlib.com/electronics/crystal.html http://uweb.superlink.net/bhtongue/ http://www.aaroncake.net/circuits/cradio.htm http://www.electronics-tutorials.com/receivers/crystal-radio-set.htm http://www.crystalradio.net/ http://journeytoforever.org/edu_radio.html http://hibp.ecse.rpi.edu/~john/xtal.html http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/AdamVon/crystal1.html http://www.glynn.k12.ga.us/~opool/XTAL/radio.htm http://www.qsl.net/kc4iwt/xtal/SWMystery.htm > p.s. At my home, with a sufficient antenna, I can hear 710 WOR with > nothing more than a diode and an earphone. Also, if I don't hook up > a C-Quam decoder chip to anything (no IF input or ground), it picks > up WOR's signal (along with various shortwave signals at night). > Perhaps I'll make a recording of WOR's IBOC hash, as received on a > crystal radio! This can be done with just about any electromagnetic pickup with a strong signal. Might be interesting to hear what your decoder chip sounds like in that circumstance.. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From eh@mad.scientist.com Tue May 20 22:05:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: eh@mad.scientist.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 21 May 2003 05:05:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 66784 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 05:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2003 05:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc53.attbi.com) (204.127.198.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2003 05:05:56 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (h0004ac962bf6.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.34.138.93]) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with SMTP id <2003052104265305300fnkfke>; Wed, 21 May 2003 04:26:53 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Electric Brain To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 00:24:10 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200305210024.10429.eh@mad.scientist.com> From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61599074 X-Yahoo-Profile: eirikurh > BTW, I've seen a schematic for a one-transistor "crystal" radio, with > no battery or other source of power indicated. Is this possible? I THINK so. There's a guy in the over-unity free power scene with a schematic on his page for a circuit that should charge a cap up to the voltage at the transmitter, or higher. You'd need a very low current circuit, but that's possible with FETs. Personally, if it's flowing through my body, I feel entitled to do whatever I like with a signal. Eirikur From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu May 22 10:42:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 22 May 2003 17:42:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 70673 invoked from network); 22 May 2003 17:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2003 17:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2003 17:42:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2003 17:41:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:41:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: anyone know about Panasonic RQ-SW10 Shockwave (not AM Stereo)? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1491 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I have one which is pretty good on sensitivity (much better than a newer model) (not so great on selectivity) but it just recently stopped functioning after I dropped it from a table. My dad (who's a radio engineer) and I have narrowed down the list of possible problems, but I was wondering if anyone knows where I could get a schematic or service manual for the thing? The AM and FM radio basically quit (I can still make the PLL-synthed dial go up and down the band, but no sound comes out), but the tape still works ok. Basically, on the radio, when I tune to AM and put it next to another AM radio, then the IF beat tone generated by the RQ-SW10 is fixed to 910KHz plus/minus a little drift (sometimes finding its way up to 920, 930, or even around 940KHz). The FM section's generated IF tone is fixed around 94.3MHz or so. That tells me something's wrong with the IF section or something like that... I don't know for sure. When I tune around (or try to, that is) on both bands, the tuning indicator does not light (even though I have stations near me that are capable of lighting it with the FM antenna disconnected or with the headphones in - DX set to local, and AM stations that light the tuning indicator 3 channels off the correct one), but when I shove it inside my brother's computer (which generates a lot of RF but disappears a very short distance away from the computer) it lights brightly all across the band. Anyone know where to get a service manual or schematic? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 22 11:35:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 22 May 2003 18:35:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 51585 invoked from network); 22 May 2003 18:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2003 18:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12801.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2003 18:34:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20030522183421.44834.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 May 2003 19:34:21 BST Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 19:34:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: Is iBiquity watching us? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20T.?=" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The following article is from www.radioworld.com... what caught my interest is iBiquity's denial of the "report" that production of IBOC radios would be delayed until 2004. I haven't heard of this "report" anywhere else except for my own speculation in this Forum. So, are the folks at iBiquity monitoring this Forum? Perhaps, because there's really no way to tell who views the message activity here. Also, this is likely the most active place on the internet for discussions about IBOC -- there is one "HD Radio Forum", but it has a whopping 16 members and a grand total of 8 messages posted! Anyway, here's the article... Ibiquity: Receiver Rollout Remains This Summer Contrary to a published report, Ibiquity Digital says the HD Radio receiver rollout will begin as scheduled this summer. The terrestrial digital radio technology developer was reacting to a report that said the receiver rollout would be pushed to '04 because of the recent pause in standards-setting for IBOC. Ibiquity SVP/Co-COO Jeff Jury said, "We're pushing forward on all fronts. We believe this will be resolved. It will be in the short term." The DAB Subcommittee of the National Radio System Committee has "temporarily suspended" standards-setting activities for IBOC. Specifically, the group wants to see improvement in Ibiquity's PAC codec on AM at low bit rates, although the group praises the Ibiquity system overall. Ibiquity has an improvement plan in place, but doesn't want to get specific on exactly when the issues in question would be resolved. Kenwood plans to ship initial HD Radios to retailers in June and ramp up deliveries in August. Stations continue to go on the air with HD Radio. Ibiquity said after the recently-completed Public Radio Conference, two additional non-commercial stations recently licensed Ibiquity's technology, KUSC(FM), Los Angeles and KUOW(FM), Seattle. WUSF(FM), Tampa was the first pubcaster to license and later go on the air with IBOC. __________________________________________________ It's Samaritans' Week. Help Samaritans help others. Call 08709 000032 to give or donate online now at http://www.samaritans.org/support/donations.shtm From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu May 22 13:08:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 22 May 2003 20:08:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 99977 invoked from network); 22 May 2003 20:07:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2003 20:07:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2003 20:07:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2003 20:07:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 20:07:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2543 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.105 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > Yes, they work- Most radios before 1960 -were- regenerative, which > were inherently de-Q'ed, if I recall. I've had a solid-state > regenerative AM/SW radio, made from a kit from....Radio Shack! And > yes, it worked great.. :) Sure there were cheap regenerative radio kits from Radio Shack and the like, but I don't follow how you come to the conclusion that "Most radios before 1960 -were- regenerative, which were inherently de- Q'ed"? As far as I know there were virtually no commercially produced regenerative broadcast receivers before 1960, or after 1960 for that matter, unless you go back far enough, say pre 1930, then you might find a lot of regenerative radios. Or are you British? The British seemed to be into regenerative MW receivers, maybe even as late as the 1950's. > I see no reason why a regenerative AMS radio can't be built. I'm not really very familiar with regenerative receiver designs, could you elaborate on how you would apply the regenerative principle to building an AM stereo radio? > > Or, even better... how about a crystal radio with AM Stereo? :-) > > Also not impossible, as long as the circuit is not considerably > voltage-driven, and something I would like to see...and hear. :) This is an interesting problem. I don't think a crystal radio would work at all well with C-Quam. I would think you would want to use something like Kahn's ISB AM stereo system, where you could simply use the two radio approach, or the AM/FM system flavor where the FM deviation is proportional to (L-R)/(1+L+R), where you could use an envelope detector for the "L+R" signal, and some flavor of a frequency discriminator circuit, without limiting, to recover the "L-R", and then use a transformer matrix to feed the headphones you built from sound powered telephone elements. > Anyone here want to take up the4se challenges, along with my > challenge for an IC-less C-QUAM radio, or even a tube-based one? ;) This doesn't sound like much of a challenge at all. How do you think the developers of C-Quam buit the first C-Quam radios? The big challenge is making it as simple as I would like. If you are willing to include a simple PLL circuit, then it is an easy matter to build a reasonable C-Quam receiver with either transistors or tubes. Can I use a magnetic amplifier in my tube PLL? The problem seems to come if you want to avoid the PLL and still do a reasonable job decoding C- Quam. John From rwagoner1@mac.com Thu May 22 13:43:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 22 May 2003 20:43:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 299 invoked from network); 22 May 2003 20:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2003 20:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2003 20:43:20 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030522204320.KGUC18769.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Thu, 22 May 2003 16:43:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:43:17 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is iBiquity watching us? Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030522183421.44834.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <048A350A-8C96-11D7-8803-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner There was a story I read somewhere that did indeed ask if production would be delayed. The link was from this group, but the story was elsewhere. It will also be in my column this week at http://members.cox.net/rwagoner (now) and on the Daily Breeze site, www.dailybreeze.com (Friday). On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 11:34 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > The following article is from www.radioworld.com... what caught my > interest > is iBiquity's denial of the "report" that production of IBOC radios > would > be delayed until 2004. I haven't heard of this "report" anywhere else > except for my own speculation in this Forum. > > So, are the folks at iBiquity monitoring this Forum? Perhaps, because > there's really no way to tell who views the message activity here. > Also, > this is likely the most active place on the internet for discussions > about > IBOC -- there is one "HD Radio Forum", but it has a whopping 16 > members and > a grand total of 8 messages posted! > > Anyway, here's the article... > > > Ibiquity: Receiver Rollout Remains This Summer > > Contrary to a published report, Ibiquity Digital says the HD Radio > receiver > rollout will begin as scheduled this summer. The terrestrial digital > radio > technology developer was reacting to a report that said the receiver > rollout would be pushed to '04 because of the recent pause in > standards-setting for IBOC. > > Ibiquity SVP/Co-COO Jeff Jury said, "We're pushing forward on all > fronts. > We believe this will be resolved. It will be in the short term." > > The DAB Subcommittee of the National Radio System Committee has > "temporarily suspended" standards-setting activities for IBOC. > Specifically, the group wants to see improvement in Ibiquity's PAC > codec on > AM at low bit rates, although the group praises the Ibiquity system > overall. > > Ibiquity has an improvement plan in place, but doesn't want to get > specific > on exactly when the issues in question would be resolved. > > Kenwood plans to ship initial HD Radios to retailers in June and ramp > up > deliveries in August. > > Stations continue to go on the air with HD Radio. > > Ibiquity said after the recently-completed Public Radio Conference, two > additional non-commercial stations recently licensed Ibiquity's > technology, > KUSC(FM), Los Angeles and KUOW(FM), Seattle. WUSF(FM), Tampa was the > first > pubcaster to license and later go on the air with IBOC. > > > > __________________________________________________ > It's Samaritans' Week. Help Samaritans help others. > Call 08709 000032 to give or donate online now at > http://www.samaritans.org/support/donations.shtm > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important > Questions. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/uetFAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From dav259@csiro.au Thu May 22 16:18:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 22 May 2003 23:18:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 56324 invoked from network); 22 May 2003 23:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2003 23:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2003 23:18:51 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4MNIn712799; Fri, 23 May 2003 09:18:49 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:18:49 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum , Subject: DOC-234736A1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-ID: From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 from Scott: Ian- at least one good opinion from within our FCC. Would you please forward this to the AMS lists? I'm not subscribed to them at my workplace. Scott Todd http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-234736A1.doc From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 22 16:41:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 22 May 2003 23:41:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 6704 invoked from network); 22 May 2003 23:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2003 23:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2003 23:41:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2003 23:41:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 23:41:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DOC-234736A1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4054 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson =20 wrote: >=20 > from Scott: >=20 >=20 > Ian- at least one good opinion from within our FCC. Would you=20 please > forward this to the AMS lists? I'm not subscribed to them at my=20 workplace. This is the commissioner I heard on KGO Monday, who is urging=20 everyone to comment on Docket 02-277, which I urge everyone to do so=20 as well. Go to www.fcc.gov, click on the ECFS Express button, and=20 select the docket to comment on. I did so, and you should too. Below, I got this morning from MoveOn.org. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ *********** >From: Eli Pariser, MoveOn.Org >Subject: District Meetings on Media Monopoly Dear MoveOn member, Outrage about the FCC's proposed media rule change keeps growing. Over 175,000 people have already signed our "Stop the FCC" petition -- a truly astonishing number given the near blackout on this issue in the major news media. We've been told that members of Congress are=20 talking about the number of emails and phone calls they've received. Next week, Representatives and Senators will be in their home=20 districts for a one-week break. It's a perfect time to let them=20 know how we feel in person. Common Cause, one of the country's=20 leading civic groups, is convening grassroots meetings with the=20 district offices of key members of the House and Senate. We need=20 your help to let Congress know we care about media deregulation.=20=20 An hour of your time could leave an indelible impression. You can see if there's a meeting in your area and register at: http://meetings.commoncause.ctsg.com In the past, MoveOn members have really enjoyed these meetings:=20 they provide a great opportunity to join a diverse group of folks=20 in talking about important issues, and they really make a powerful=20 impact. You can sign up to participate at the website above. Sincerely, --Eli Pariser MoveOn.org May 21st, 2003 P.S. Common Cause's update and invitation to the meetings is below. ---------------- May 21, 2003 COUNT DOWN TO FCC VOTE ON MEDIA MONOPOLIES Common Cause, MoveOn.org Sponsor District Meetings With Members of Congress: You Are Invited! Congratulations to all of you who have worked so hard to urge the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) against loosening current media ownership rules and to postpone the June 2 vote on the issue to allow adequate public education and input. Click Here to Attend a Meeting in Your District: http://meetings.commoncause.ctsg.com Thanks to your efforts, MoveOn.org and Common Cause have collected more than 200,000 signatures on an online petition to FCC Chairman Michael Powell urging him to reconsider his position on relaxing the current regulations. We are presenting print copies of the petitions to FCC officials next week. In addition, thousands more Americans have faxed, phoned and e-mailed their elected representatives on the issue. Just today, Common Cause and MoveOn.org organized a nationwide teleconference with reporters and newspaper editorial boards, explaining the issue and urging them to cover the story, as it has received virtually no coverage from the major television networks. The teleconference included musicians Mike Mills of R.E.M. and Stone Gossard of Pearl Jam. There is still more you can do before June 2. Congress is in recess next week, and with MoveOn.org, we invite you to attend meetings in your district or state with your U.S. Representative or Senator. These constituent meetings are critical in helping members of Congress understand your concerns about the rule changes before the FCC. Common Cause will supply you with meeting materials and be available to answer any questions you might have. Remember: the American people own the airwaves, and broadcasters are supposed to use them to serve the public interest =96 not the interests of a handful of media moguls! Click Here to Attend a Meeting in Your District: http://meetings.commoncause.ctsg.com Click Here for the FCC Issue Center: http://www.commoncause.org/action/fcc.htm From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 22 16:53:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 22 May 2003 23:53:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 37943 invoked from network); 22 May 2003 23:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2003 23:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2003 23:53:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2003 23:53:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 23:53:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: anyone know about Panasonic RQ-SW10 Shockwave (not AM Stereo)? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1390 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Basically, on the radio, when I tune to AM and put it next to another > AM radio, then the IF beat tone generated by the RQ-SW10 is fixed to > 910KHz plus/minus a little drift (sometimes finding its way up to 920, > 930, or even around 940KHz). The FM section's generated IF tone is That would be second harmonic. Most radios' IF is at 455kHz (x2 would be 910). Some radios are 450, 460, or 465kHz, but rarely 470kHz. (940) > fixed around 94.3MHz or so. That tells me something's wrong with the FM's IF is 10.7MHz, so as with AM, it's broadcast freq. +/- IF = mixer freq. In this case, the radio is either stuck at 105MHz or 83.6. > IF section or something like that... I don't know for sure. When I > tune around (or try to, that is) on both bands, the tuning indicator > does not light (even though I have stations near me that are capable > of lighting it with the FM antenna disconnected or with the headphones > in - DX set to local, and AM stations that light the tuning indicator > 3 channels off the correct one), but when I shove it inside my You didn't say if it was 4 channels above or below the proper frequency, but yes, your IF is off-- You probably need to either realign the IF trim pot or replace it. (At least that's this mousie's guess. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 22 16:57:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 22 May 2003 23:57:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 48719 invoked from network); 22 May 2003 23:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2003 23:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2003 23:57:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2003 23:57:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 23:57:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Is iBiquity watching us? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030522183421.44834.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1039 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > The following article is from www.radioworld.com... what caught my interest > is iBiquity's denial of the "report" that production of IBOC radios would > be delayed until 2004. I haven't heard of this "report" anywhere else > except for my own speculation in this Forum. Or it's just a coincidental guess. I'm betting moreso on that. > So, are the folks at iBiquity monitoring this Forum? Perhaps, because > there's really no way to tell who views the message activity here. Also, > this is likely the most active place on the internet for discussions about > IBOC -- there is one "HD Radio Forum", but it has a whopping 16 members and > a grand total of 8 messages posted! There are also IBOC issues on rec.radio.broadcasting, rec.radio.shortwave and alt.radio.digital, as well as other IBOC/digital boards on other message-board services throughout the internet, as well as the various radio clubs- like the NRC, for example. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Thu May 22 17:16:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 23 May 2003 00:16:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 65554 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 00:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 00:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 00:16:46 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0243621620F for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 00:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291971800C7 for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 00:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522195545.0304dcc0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 20:16:33 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: WNBC Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey. Did the "Their's only one day.... 66, WNBC" jingle play before the switch to WFAN? How come WNBC switched? And why don't radio stations use good jingles anymore! At least most of the top40 ones don't. It's all the liners, and no fun jingles to sing along to. Some of the top40 liners, bleh bleh bland! Why not come up with something a little more creative? You're listening to (insert number one hit music station)? Please! Try go away. Come up with better liners and jingles. Make them more interesting. Like KQLZ had some cool ones, and so did KHJ Loss Angeles. Love there news theam! Or Killer Oldies 1290 KMEN. Oh yes I do listen to other stuff thereto then oldies a and rock, but it's hard to find stations doing originality in the jingles and liners that they create. Why? Man, radio has changed so much, Thank you Clear Channel and Telecommunications act of 1996. *sigh* Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereorules@msn.com Thu May 22 17:39:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 23 May 2003 00:39:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 46619 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 00:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 00:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 00:39:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2003 00:39:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 00:39:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DOC-234736A1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 186 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules This document is infeccted with a script per my Norton anti-virus software. Open at your own risk. "If HD Radio doesn't sound better, what's the point?" --Omnia -Mario Orazio From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu May 22 17:40:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 23 May 2003 00:40:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 7150 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 00:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 00:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 00:40:31 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-231.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.231]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h4N0eAoF016635 for ; Thu, 22 May 2003 19:40:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005801c2c41c$7d35c740$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: Fw: for the AMS lists Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:49:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Found this about a month ago on the bnet radiotech forum- thought you might get a few yucks out of it. :) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" > Here's my list of IBOC acronyms: Interfering buzzing obnoxious crud > Interference blasting other channels > Interfering buzz off channel > Interfering buzz obstructs coverage > Interfering buzz obsolescence conspiracy > Interference bothering other channels > Interference beside our carrier > > and: HD Radio - Hissing Distorted Radio > > Dave Hershberger > Principal Engineer > AXCERA > > > Funny, > > I'll add my fav: > > It Bothers Other Channels > > 73 de > > n8uhn > > Bill > > From amstereorules@msn.com Thu May 22 17:41:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 23 May 2003 00:41:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 9413 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 00:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 00:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 00:41:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2003 00:41:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 00:41:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: anyone know about Panasonic RQ-SW10 Shockwave (not AM Stereo)? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 125 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules If you can dial in station frequencies, but the tuner doesn't go to them, then suspect your synthesizer chip. -Mario Orazio From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu May 22 18:19:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 23 May 2003 01:19:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 42236 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 01:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 01:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 01:19:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 May 2003 18:19:01 -0700 Received: from 172.163.148.66 by bay7-dav25.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 23 May 2003 01:19:00 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:17:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2003 01:19:01.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[4ADB7EC0:01C320C9] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.163.148.66] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 amymousie wrote: >Most radios before 1960 -were- regenerative, Most radios made after 1930 were Superhets. The radios from the 1920s were mostly TRF, Nuetradyne, Regenerative, Crystal, or Superhets, depending on price. adios from the teens were mostly crystal and Regenerative. > > I see no reason why a regenerative AMS radio can't be built. The problem is the Am Stereo circuits all pull their signal from the IF. There is no IF in non-Superhetrodyne radios. They all work at the original RF Frequency. You would be best off to use the Kahn ISB system with two tuners. I would use the Hazeltine Nuetradyne system because it is the most stable of the non Superhetrodyne detector circuits. > > Anyone here want to take up these challenges, along with my challenge for an IC-less C-QUAM radio, or even a tube-based one? ;) Before I lost my first house, I had an Altec Lansing Stereo ready AM-FM tuner from the early 60s. It had IF outputs for both AM and FM for external stereo decoders. I built a decoder board using a Multisystem chip from Sony, so I made a tube type AM Stereo radio in 1987. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu May 22 18:19:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 23 May 2003 01:19:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 42547 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 01:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 01:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.122) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 01:19:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 May 2003 18:19:05 -0700 Received: from 172.163.148.66 by bay7-dav18.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 23 May 2003 01:19:05 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} anyone know about Panasonic RQ-SW10 Shockwave (not AM Stereo)? Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:28:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2003 01:19:05.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D3CEE60:01C320C9] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.163.148.66] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 pianoplayer88key wrote: > Anyone know where to get a service manual or schematic? Panasonic is real good about customer support and supplying service manuals. You should call them. If they can't help you, Howard W. Sams has service manuals for just about every piece of consumer electronics ever made. Kevin From rwagoner1@mac.com Thu May 22 18:36:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 23 May 2003 01:36:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 12567 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 01:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 01:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 01:36:04 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030523013604.MVSM18769.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Thu, 22 May 2003 21:36:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:36:03 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WNBC Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522195545.0304dcc0@pop.GameBox.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Emmis bought WNBC and moved WFAN to the frequency, if my memory serves right. And the success of WFAN spawned a ton of copycats, none of which has any listeners. Los Angeles has THREE all-sports stations (4 if you count 690 from San Diego). COMBINED they still have less than a 1.0 share. I agree with you on everything, especially the jingles. Stations are so boring now. Richard On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 05:16 PM, John Holcomb II wrote: > Hey. > Did the > "Their's only one day.... 66, WNBC" > jingle play before the switch to WFAN? > How come WNBC switched? > And why don't radio stations use good jingles anymore! > At least most of the top40 ones don't. It's all the liners, and no fun > jingles to sing along to. > Some of the top40 liners, bleh bleh bland! Why not come up with > something a little more creative? > You're listening to (insert number one hit music station)? Please! Try > go away. Come up with better liners and jingles. Make them more > interesting. > Like KQLZ had some cool ones, and so did KHJ Loss Angeles. Love there > news theam! Or Killer Oldies 1290 KMEN. > Oh yes I do listen to other stuff thereto then oldies a and rock, but > it's hard to find stations doing originality in the jingles and > liners that they create. > Why? > > Man, radio has changed so much, Thank you Clear Channel and > Telecommunications act of 1996. *sigh* > > > > > > > > Love in Christ: > > John > > Bensalem, PA > > Send me an email > > Aim: RainAngelsRule > > MSN: > > RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com > > My website > > Welcome to > Napster4TheBlind > > "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu May 22 18:36:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 23 May 2003 01:36:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 91149 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 01:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 01:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 01:36:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2003 01:36:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 01:36:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DOC-234736A1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 330 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > This document is infeccted with a script per my Norton anti-virus > software. Open at your own risk. > > "If HD Radio doesn't sound better, what's the point?" --Omnia > > -Mario Orazio Use Open Office available at www.openoffice.org JSG From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu May 22 18:41:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 23 May 2003 01:41:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 92504 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 01:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 01:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.118) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 01:41:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 May 2003 18:41:02 -0700 Received: from 172.163.148.66 by bay7-dav14.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 23 May 2003 01:41:02 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522195545.0304dcc0@pop.GameBox.net> Subject: Jingles Was: OT: WNBC Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 21:40:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2003 01:41:02.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E7AA8E0:01C320CC] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.163.148.66] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John Holcomb II wrote: > And why don't radio stations use good jingles anymore! The BEST jingles ever was the Anita Kerr package for WLS! The JAM "Logoset" package for WABC was a close second. If you have a shortwave radio, WBCQ is running re-sings of Pams "Jet Set" jingle package. Kevin From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu May 22 19:20:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95887 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 02:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 02:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 02:20:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2003 02:20:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 02:20:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DOC-234736A1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 261 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < amstereorules@m...> wrote: > This document is infeccted with a script per my Norton anti-virus > software. Open at your own risk. Too late, I already opened it hours ago, should I be worried? John From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 22 19:40:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53359 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 02:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 02:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 02:40:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2003 02:40:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 02:40:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DOC-234736A1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 300 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > This document is infeccted with a script per my Norton anti-virus > software. Open at your own risk. Seen the doc, nothing popped up on my AV...and I have a GOOD AV, not Norton or Symmantec. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alfredot@inetarena.com Thu May 22 23:58:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45644 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 06:58:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 06:58:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 06:58:15 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust198.tnt17.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [65.227.179.198]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4N6rs5p025876 for ; Thu, 22 May 2003 23:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 23:56:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your dream AM stereo radio? In-Reply-To: <1053532168.2040.80508.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > > no battery or other source of power indicated. Is this possible? > > I've made a solar-powered transistor radio, but never a transistor > > radio powered solely by the incoming airwaves. > > It's quite possible. Most transistor Xtal sets, though, uses the > transistor in a powered amplifier, but yes, it can be done. If you did it, you would need to have one or a few strong signals in your area in order to develop enough voltage to power the amplifier--and you would probably want a germanium transistor in the amplifier stage (because the base-emitter voltage drop is lower in germanium transistors). You'd need to design the radio so that broadband RF from the antenna hits the diode used to power the amplifier. Think of that as a "net" that captures almost all of the RF energy available in much the same way as tuna fishing nets that catch dolphins and other sea creatures. Then, you would have some RF filtering and your amplifier. There are two ingenious things that you could do to squeeze a lot of gain out of the amplifier: 1) Make the amplifier a "reflex" stage, like what a lot of Radio Shack Science Fair AM kits did. This means that the RF goes through the stage, gets detected by a germanium diode, and the resulting audio is passed through the same stage, on top of the RF. 2) Introduce a small amount of positive RF feedback to the above circuit to boost selectivity and sensitivity. Years ago, I had a portable radio made by American Motors that used the technique in (2). The radio only used two transistors, one for the regenerative-reflex stage, and another to drive the earpiece. Power was supplied by two penlight cells. Despite the small size of the ferrite rod in that radio, if the batteries were fresh, the radio was sensitive enough to clearly receive the CBC French language station in Toronto (860 kHz, 50 kW) from Buffalo, NY. I think that it might have gotten CFTR, as well. Unfortunately, I was a dumb kid when I had the radio, and I thought, "some Elmer's glue could fix that loose ferrite rod that's taped onto the circuit board." I did not notice that the variable capacitor in this radio was of an open-frame construction until the glue got into it and stuck all of the mica dielectric sheets together. Alfredo From alfredot@inetarena.com Fri May 23 00:04:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97673 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 07:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 07:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 07:04:08 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust198.tnt17.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [65.227.179.198]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4N6xl5p026475 for ; Thu, 22 May 2003 23:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 00:02:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo pages In-Reply-To: <1053532168.2040.80508.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Since some people asked about them a few weeks ago, I've put the AM Stereo pages back up, with some updates and corrections. They may be accessed through http://www.inetarena.com/~alfredot/electronics.html I originally took the pages down because (1) I kept getting requests regarding where to find the obsolete ICs in the schematics and (2) when I lost my job at TriQuint, I wanted for people (i.e. prospective employers or recruiters) to be able to find my resume easily, rather than having it buried somewhere in html-land. Alfredo From rwagoner1@mac.com Fri May 23 01:18:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18162 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 08:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 08:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 08:18:12 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030523081813.PQOC18769.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 04:18:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 01:18:15 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DOC-234736A1 Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1A56B946-8CF7-11D7-8803-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Another reason I'm a happy Mac user ... On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 07:20 PM, bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < > amstereorules@m...> wrote: >> This document is infeccted with a script per my Norton anti-virus >> software. Open at your own risk. > > > Too late, I already opened it hours ago, should I be worried? > > John > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Get A Free Psychic Reading! > Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/aM1XQD/od7FAA/uetFAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 23 01:48:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77227 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 08:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 08:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 08:48:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2003 08:48:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:48:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DOC-234736A1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1A56B946-8CF7-11D7-8803-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 615 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Another reason I'm a happy Mac user ... Note that in this case, the document is perfectly readable when you view the MS Word .DOC file with a simple ASCII text viewer. Just scroll past some of the formatting "garbage" at the top of the file and then you'll see the document in plain text. Then you can scroll down to the end of the file, and if it was saved with the "Allow Fast Saves" option turned on, then often it contains bits and pieces of personal information that its creator had no knowledge of being included in the file. So, if you value your privacy, never enable "Fast Saves" in MS Word! From dav259@csiro.au Fri May 23 02:13:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27692 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 09:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 09:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 09:13:34 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4N9DU708439 for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 19:13:30 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:13:30 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Let's promote AMS and Symphony Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Hey - after you've said your bit to the FCC - why not try and publicise AMS to the radio enthusiasts in North America? They say any publicity is good publicity. And if things are anything like here - there must be plenty of people who've never heard or it - even if they have actually heard it. Start a new thread on: http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.radio.broadcasting These people are talking about IBOC. Let's start getting them to think about C-quam. Ian From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 23 02:14:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30465 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 09:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 09:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 09:14:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2003 09:14:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:14:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: DOC-234736A1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1A56B946-8CF7-11D7-8803-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 356 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Another reason I'm a happy Mac user ... I use Windows (ME, to be precise), and I tested the file, and it was clean. If it makes anyone feel better, I made a quick webpage conversion of the file, here: http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/DOC-234736A1.htm Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Fri May 23 03:21:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30587 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 10:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 10:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 10:20:59 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4NAKw711170; Fri, 23 May 2003 20:20:58 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:20:57 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum , Subject: UK Update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Hey UK Dave!! - from East Sussex ... We need a UK report. You are one of a few trying to bring NATO together. And that wouldn't be such a bad thing at the minute. Will George, the younger, ever listen to Europe again? What is the state of stereo radio in "the mother country"? You started the European version of the AMS Forum. Well done!! How good and accepted is Eureka DAB? And what does it cost the average punter? What receivers do you have? And how much were they? Has programming improved? Is there any localism left? How are AM and FM stations surviving? ... and please Marv and Phil - give us an update on how Eureka is making waves in Canada. Personally - I would embrace the new technology if it sounded as good or hopefully better than what we hear now. But I don't want to destroy localism. I'd prefer local AM stereo with all it's blips and blops rather than some generic pure clear sound coming from Mars ... or a Murdoch controlled NYC. Ian Melbourne From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri May 23 03:33:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93487 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 10:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 10:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 10:33:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20030523103313.56314.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.195] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2003 03:33:13 PDT Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 03:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} UK Update To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus --- Ian Davidson wrote: > I'd prefer local AM stereo with all it's > blips and blops rather > than some generic pure clear sound coming from Mars > ... or a Murdoch > controlled NYC. > >I think its the same everywhere now its networked,the sound is compressed,full of ads every 10 mins,no AM Stereo as they say its not viable saying its a small market,cut throat,tons of repetative music from a top 40 perspective with one or two classic hits and more of the sameness like NZ as its foreign owned and run. Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From spfleck@citlink.net Fri May 23 04:19:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spfleck@citlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4269 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 11:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 11:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 11:19:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2003 11:19:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:19:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WNBC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 186 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Steve Fleckenstein" X-Originating-IP: 170.215.247.204 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2988995 X-Yahoo-Profile: n2ubp > I agree with you on everything, especially the jingles. Stations are so boring now. That is because the stations don't care if anyone is listening. Only if anyone is advertising. From dav259@csiro.au Fri May 23 04:21:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55736 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 11:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 11:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 11:20:59 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4NBKv713541; Fri, 23 May 2003 21:20:57 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 21:20:57 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: Ben Lennard Subject: Re: {AMSF} UK Update In-Reply-To: <20030523103313.56314.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 23 May 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > >I think its the same everywhere now its networked,the > sound is compressed,full of ads every 10 mins,no AM > Stereo as they say its not viable saying its a small > market,cut throat,tons of repetative music from a top > 40 perspective with one or two classic hits and more > of the sameness like NZ as its foreign owned and run. > Michael Thanks Michael NZ is a small country - about the same size as my state - Victoria. I don't want to insult anyone here. But what Michael is saying is exactly what's happening everywhere. And you lot in North America are suffering the same thing on a somewhat grander scale. There was a time ... still is here! ... that radio was/is local. Besides AMS - which just makes it sound so much god-damned better (sorry Scott) what is there? DRM? DAB? Take your pick. I'd love to buy one of these receivers tomorrow. But it's not happening either here or in NZ. In my view we must support AM stereo ... and that's not much for NZ Michael. Somebody recently said either here or on the google board that NZ was going digital. Seems to me they got it wrong the first time. Let's hope NZ gets it right now ... Ben ..... ??? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri May 23 05:54:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39178 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 12:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 12:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 12:54:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20030523125440.64720.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2003 05:54:40 PDT Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 05:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Author is one who knows To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" Not only is the acronym list appropriate, but the author is none other than a person I revere - Dave Hershberger, engineer extroidinaire of the HARRIS AM STEREO SYSTEM!!!! > Here's my list of IBOC acronyms: Interfering buzzing obnoxious crud > Interference blasting other channels > Interfering buzz off channel > Interfering buzz obstructs coverage > Interfering buzz obsolescence conspiracy > Interference bothering other channels > Interference beside our carrier > > and: HD Radio - Hissing Distorted Radio > > Dave Hershberger > Principal Engineer > AXCERA __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri May 23 08:57:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72389 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 15:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 15:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 15:57:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2003 15:57:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:57:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: DOC-234736A1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1A56B946-8CF7-11D7-8803-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 487 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Another reason I'm a happy Mac user ... The Mac might not be susceptible to the OE type virus, I don't know anything about that one way or the other, but I had the distinct impression that the Mac was susceptible to the Macro virus in Word documents, assuming that is what this is? I avoid the problem entirely by using a version of Word, 5.1, that is naturally immune to this sort of stuff. John From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri May 23 09:05:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32444 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 16:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 16:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 16:05:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2003 16:05:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:05:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: PAMS and JAMS jingles available for download Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 173 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding If you go to the PAMS web site you can download a 10 minute sampler of their jingles and even buy the complete collection on CD. JAMS also lets you download demo packages. From jim@burgan.net Fri May 23 09:25:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71648 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 16:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 16:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 16:24:56 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-223-134-248.client.insightbb.com[12.223.134.248]) by sccimhc02.insightbb.com (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030523162456im200adgrae>; Fri, 23 May 2003 16:24:56 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c32147$da1e9da0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522195545.0304dcc0@pop.GameBox.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jingles Was: OT: WNBC Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:24:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >The BEST jingles ever was the Anita Kerr package for WLS! >The JAM "Logoset" package for WABC was a close second. >If you have a shortwave radio, WBCQ is running re-sings of Pams "Jet Set" >jingle package. What is the frequency of WBCQ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jim@burgan.net Fri May 23 09:29:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67813 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 16:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 16:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc01.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.163) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 16:29:42 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-223-134-248.client.insightbb.com[12.223.134.248]) by sccimhc01.insightbb.com (sccimhc01) with SMTP id <20030523162941im1002kkmqe>; Fri, 23 May 2003 16:29:41 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01c32148$843c1d80$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522195545.0304dcc0@pop.GameBox.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jingles Was: OT: WNBC Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:29:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>The BEST jingles ever was the Anita Kerr package for WLS! >>The JAM "Logoset" package for WABC was a close second. >>If you have a shortwave radio, WBCQ is running re-sings of Pams "Jet Set" >>jingle package. >What is the frequency of WBCQ? Forget it... I found them 7.415,9.330 and 17.4965. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri May 23 10:01:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53194 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 17:01:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 17:01:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.114) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 17:01:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 May 2003 10:01:16 -0700 Received: from 172.133.77.31 by bay7-dav10.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 23 May 2003 17:01:15 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} PAMS and JAMS jingles available for download Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:01:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2003 17:01:16.0172 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC4594C0:01C3214C] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.133.77.31] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 douglasharding wrote: > If you go to the PAMS web site you can download a 10 minute sampler of their jingles and even buy the complete collection on CD. What I want is the "Music, Music, Music" package from Commercial. It is from 1959, I think. I used to hear it on WQOK 1440 and I have heard the jingles on old airchecks of WNOE and KOIL. The lyrics for one of the jingles was: "More hit music music music, that helps you start your day, from radio one-four-four-oh, WQOK" then it was tagged with a shouting "GREENVILLE!" I am also looking for the "Time to turn so you won't burn" jingle from Pams. WAPE 690 used to play it every 30 minutes. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 23 10:25:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5461 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 17:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 17:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 17:25:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2003 17:24:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:24:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: PAMS and JAMS jingles available for download Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What I want is the "Music, Music, Music" package from Commercial. That reminds me of a liner (produced in-house) that a local Gospel station uses, that goes something like this: "Music, music, music, music, music, music, music, music, music!.... it's the afternoon show with Melissa Prayer, on Harvest Radio, 1070 WKMB." Yes, it's a Gospel station and the DJ's (supposedly) real name is Melissa Prayer... she's also the PD of the station. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 23 10:27:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65394 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 17:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 17:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 17:27:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2003 17:27:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:27:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} PAMS and JAMS jingles available for download Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 330 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie What I would love to have is a collection of generic jingles, tags and such, in stereo, either very cheap or free (I'm not that well- budgeted), and a source for reasonably-inexpensive custom Sonovox- type IDs. There's some AMS stuff here, for what it's worth: ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net/AMS-promo-stuff/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 23 10:51:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32545 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 17:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 17:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 17:51:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2003 17:50:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:50:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 990 WALE on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 130 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Anybody want to buy a 50,000-watt AM station for $1,000,000? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2322240250 From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri May 23 11:39:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33742 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 18:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 18:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.9) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 18:39:20 -0000 Received: from logs-wp.proxy.aol.com (logs-wp.proxy.aol.com [205.188.201.135]) by rly-ip05.mx.aol.com (v90_r2.6) with ESMTP id RELAYIN7-0523143746; Fri, 23 May 2003 14:37:46 -0400 Received: from ibm (AC839BD0.ipt.aol.com [172.131.155.208]) by logs-wp.proxy.aol.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h4NIY3Ei278803 for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 14:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002401c32159$e6dc2960$8a86dd43@aoldsl.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} PAMS and JAMS jingles available for download Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:33:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Apparently-From: DodgeRamTrucker@aol.com From: "Possum Hunter" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 amymousie wrote: > What I would love to have is a collection of generic jingles, tags and such, in stereo, Try Ken R. Productions http://www.kenr.com/ Kevin From kfornal@cox.net Fri May 23 11:55:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55060 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 18:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 18:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 18:55:07 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030523185503.VSAW23518.lakemtao03.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 14:55:03 -0400 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} 990 WALE on eBay Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:54:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c3215c$be830030$0301a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=128541479 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You missed your chance. The station sold for $2.85 million Tuesday at the bankruptcy auction in Phoenix, AZ. The station has already flipped from brokered talk to Spanish. Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:51 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} 990 WALE on eBay Anybody want to buy a 50,000-watt AM station for $1,000,000? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=2322240250 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Click Here! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereorules@msn.com Fri May 23 12:39:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92734 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 19:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 19:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 19:39:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2003 19:39:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:39:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WNBC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 230 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >That is because the stations don't care if anyone is listening. Only >if anyone is advertising. Advertisers care if anyone is listening, don't they? "If HD Radio doesn't sound better, what's the point?" --Omnia Mario Orazio From rwagoner1@mac.com Fri May 23 13:43:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42158 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 20:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 20:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 20:43:34 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030523204333.TCRK27188.fed1mtao07.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 16:43:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:43:32 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WNBC Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <37AA4504-8D5F-11D7-8803-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner No. You would think they do, but they don't. That's why the all-sports stations make money even when they have no listeners. On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 12:39 PM, amstereorules wrote: >> That is because the stations don't care if anyone is listening. Only >> if anyone is advertising. > Advertisers care if anyone is listening, don't they? > "If HD Radio doesn't sound better, what's the point?" --Omnia > > Mario Orazio > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important > Questions. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/uetFAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri May 23 13:50:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17572 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 20:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 20:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 20:50:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20030523205057.14233.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.195] by web41207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2003 13:50:57 PDT Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WNBC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <37AA4504-8D5F-11D7-8803-0005021D3C76@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Our in Auckland NZ 1332 kHz I is now a sports network station-It was the old AM Stereo station back in the 80's but of course no AM Stereo these days and no AMS locally now. Michael --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > No. You would think they do, but they don't. That's > why the all-sports > stations make money even when they have no > listeners. > > On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 12:39 PM, amstereorules > wrote: > > >> That is because the stations don't care if anyone > is listening. Only > >> if anyone is advertising. > > Advertisers care if anyone is listening, don't > they? > > "If HD Radio doesn't sound better, what's the > point?" --Omnia > > > > Mario Orazio > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ---------------------~--> > > Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To > Life's Important > > Questions. > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/uetFAA/CPMolB/TM > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ~-> > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 23 16:18:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54298 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 23:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2003 23:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 23:18:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2003 23:18:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 23:18:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} PAMS and JAMS jingles available for download Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002401c32159$e6dc2960$8a86dd43@aoldsl.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 305 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > amymousie wrote: > > What I would love to have is a collection of generic jingles, tags and > such, in stereo, > > Try Ken R. Productions http://www.kenr.com/ Or: http://www.instantradiostation.com/ ? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 23 17:12:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72000 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 00:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 00:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 00:12:20 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-132.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.132]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h4O0CHoF016620 for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 19:12:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006201c2c4e1$b91768c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <37AA4504-8D5F-11D7-8803-0005021D3C76@mac.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WNBC Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:22:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude A lot of those buys are packaged in with some other stations that actually have listeners. I find that if a sports station has some live, local programming, they usually will have a halfway decent audience- WFAN in NYC and KFAN in MSP are two examples. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" To: Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 2:43 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WNBC > No. You would think they do, but they don't. That's why the all-sports > stations make money even when they have no listeners. > > On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 12:39 PM, amstereorules wrote: > > >> That is because the stations don't care if anyone is listening. Only > >> if anyone is advertising. > > Advertisers care if anyone is listening, don't they? > > "If HD Radio doesn't sound better, what's the point?" --Omnia > > > > Mario Orazio > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ---------------------~--> > > Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important > > Questions. > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/uetFAA/CPMolB/TM > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ~-> > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 23 17:46:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61155 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 00:46:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 00:46:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 00:46:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 00:46:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 00:46:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WNBC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006201c2c4e1$b91768c0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 401 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > A lot of those buys are packaged in with some other stations that actually > have listeners. I find that if a sports station has some live, local > programming, they usually will have a halfway decent audience- WFAN in NYC > and KFAN in MSP are two examples. People like listening to local hosts, period. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri May 23 17:54:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78479 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 00:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 00:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 00:54:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20030524005401.9176.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.195] by web41202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2003 17:54:01 PDT Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WNBC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Sports Radio does quite well in this country as our main sports Rugby,Rugby League and Cricket are all live on pay TV here wheres the radio broadcasts it live in real time when hese games are on. Michael --- amymousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" > wrote: > > A lot of those buys are packaged in with some > other stations that > actually > > have listeners. I find that if a sports station > has some live, > local > > programming, they usually will have a halfway > decent audience- WFAN > in NYC > > and KFAN in MSP are two examples. > > People like listening to local hosts, period. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 23 18:16:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90864 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 01:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 01:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 01:16:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 01:16:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 01:16:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WNBC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1068 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WFAN in NYC and KFAN in MSP are two examples. Interestingly, Infinity's sports station 610 WIP in Philadelphia is actually facing competition in the ratings from NYC's 660 WFAN -- which is also owned by Infinity! It seems quite a few people would rather listen to a station from 80 miles away, than a local station with the same format, because of WFAN's superior programming (it is pretty much *THE* leading sports station in the USA). However, for News/Talk, the opposite is true... NYC's 710 WOR used to get consistent ratings in Philly, but ever since Philly got its own local 50,000-watt AM Stereo News/Talk station (1210 WPHT), WOR dropped off the chart entirely, although their fellow NYC competitor 770 WABC does show up most of the time. And speaking of which, there's the old Dan Ingram joke (paraphrased): "I've got some terrible news... the ratings just came in, and WABC is only in 13th place... in PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA!" Pittsburgh is a good 300 miles from NYC, so that must have been based solely on nighttime skywave listening! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 23 18:54:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95721 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 01:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 01:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 01:54:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 01:54:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 01:54:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: It's Better Off Cancelled! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030523125440.64720.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 896 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > Here's my list of IBOC acronyms: > > Interfering buzzing obnoxious crud > > Interference blasting other channels > > Interfering buzz off channel > > Interfering buzz obstructs coverage > > Interfering buzz obsolescence conspiracy > > Interference bothering other channels > > Interference beside our carrier > > > > and: HD Radio - Hissing Distorted Radio > > > > Dave Hershberger > > Principal Engineer > > AXCERA Of course, technical issues are not the only flaws of IBOC. Here's a few others: IBOC = It Benefits Only Coporations IBOC = Increased Benefits for Obese Corporations IBOC = Independent Broadcasters Obliterated by Cost IBOC = Independent Broadcasters Obliterated by Corporations and, my favorite: IBOC = It's Better Off Cancelled also: HD Radio = Huge Disaster Meanwhile.... C-QUAM = Clear Quality Using Analog Methods C-QUAM = Clear Quality Using Affordable Methods From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri May 23 19:34:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66688 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 02:34:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 02:34:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 02:34:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 May 2003 19:34:30 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 May 2003 02:34:29 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereo@bellsouth.net Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: The buying of the FCC Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 02:34:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2003 02:34:30.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[009E43E0:01C3219D] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 PBS's NOW with Bill Moyers tonight has a segment of the FCC and among other things all the free vacations the NAB has given Michael Powell and other FCC commissioners; it sounds as though the US has the best FCC NAB money can buy. Hopefully those on the west coast still have time to catch this program. Michael Powell, especially, seems to be very arrogant, refusing to attend the all too few hearings on lifting ownership rules; he says he too busy, but tonight's report indicates he is never too busy to take a free vacation. http://www.publicintegrity.org is a bi-partisen watchdog group trying to inform the public (read taxpayersP of this, since the media is barely covering this important issue. A quote from their web-site: "Federal Communications Commission officials have been showered with nearly $2.8 million in travel and entertainment over the past eight years, most of it from the telecommunications and broadcast industries the agency regulates, a new study by the Center for Public Integrity has found. A Penchant for Secrecy Why is the FCC so determined to keep key data from the public? WASHINGTON, 5/22/2003 — When the Federal Communications Commission decides on June 2 whether to dramatically loosen restrictions on media ownership, ..........." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It's probably a good idea to phone or write your U.S. senator about this important issue, as it seems the Michael Powell's FCC is virtually ignorning all public comments. (now maybe if you were to write your comments on the back of a thousand dollar bill....... some attention might be paid! :) ) donn st petersburg,fl _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 23 19:50:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88816 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 02:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 02:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 02:50:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 02:50:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 02:50:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: It's Better Off Cancelled! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 196 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > C-QUAM = Clear Quality Using Affordable Methods Something I have been saying all along. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri May 23 20:35:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5637 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 03:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 03:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 03:35:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 03:35:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 03:35:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} anyone know about Panasonic RQ-SW10 Shockwave (not AM Stereo)? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 433 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > pianoplayer88key wrote: > > Anyone know where to get a service manual or schematic? > > Panasonic is real good about customer support and supplying service manuals. > You should call them. If they can't help you, Howard W. Sams has service > manuals for just about every piece of consumer electronics ever made. > > Kevin How do I contact H Sams? From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 23 20:53:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86070 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 03:53:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 03:53:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 03:53:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 03:52:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 03:52:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} anyone know about Panasonic RQ-SW10 Shockwave (not AM Stereo)? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 598 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: > > pianoplayer88key wrote: > > > Anyone know where to get a service manual or schematic? > > > > Panasonic is real good about customer support and supplying service > manuals. > > You should call them. If they can't help you, Howard W. Sams has service > > manuals for just about every piece of consumer electronics ever made. > > > > Kevin > > How do I contact H Sams? http://www.samswebsite.com/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 23 22:35:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38731 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 05:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 05:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 05:35:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 05:35:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 05:35:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: anyone know about Panasonic RQ-SW10 Shockwave (not AM Stereo)? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 588 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics BTW, if this Panasonic "Shockwave" walkman-style radio is anything like the one my friend had a few years ago (with the vibrating bass earphones), then its AM tuner is quite lousy, with a very narrow bandwidth (maybe 2.5 kHz at best) and yet poor selectivity, and lots of internal synthesizer noise covering up reception of weaker signals. If you want good (mono) AM reception and great AM sound quality from an afforable walkman-type radio, try the blue Lennox Sound "AM/FM Sports Radio" that Wal-Mart sells for $5.00. For that price, its quality on AM is absolutely amazing. From alfredot@inetarena.com Sat May 24 01:48:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72359 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 08:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 08:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 08:48:30 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust135.tnt17.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [65.227.179.135]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4O8i8Ot006249 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 01:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 01:46:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: anyone know about Panasonic RQ-SW10 Shockwave (not AM Stereo)? In-Reply-To: <1053685269.9549.30594.m2@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon wrote: > > Basically, on the radio, when I tune to AM and put it next to > another AM radio, then the IF beat tone generated by the RQ-SW10 is fixed to > 910KHz plus/minus a little drift (sometimes finding its way up to > 920, 930, or even around 940KHz). The FM section's generated IF tone is > fixed around 94.3MHz or so. Most likely, this "IF beat note" that you're listening to is the local oscillator. 910 kHz and 94.3 MHz are below the normal tuning ranges of the local oscillators in an AM/FM radio. To tune 530 kHz, the AM local oscillator would have to run at 980 kHz, and to tune 87.9 MHz, the local oscillator would be at 98.6 MHz. Typically, the reverse bias on the varactors would be about 1 volt under these conditions. I would bet that if you put a voltmeter on the tuning line of that radio, you will find 0 volts or something close to that. Possibly, what happened when you dropped the radio was that you damaged the quartz crystal that the PLL uses for its reference oscillator. Alfredo From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat May 24 02:33:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2146 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 09:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 09:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 09:33:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 09:33:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 09:33:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: anyone know about Panasonic RQ-SW10 Shockwave (not AM Stereo)? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2052 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > BTW, if this Panasonic "Shockwave" walkman-style radio is anything > like the one my friend had a few years ago (with the vibrating bass > earphones), then its AM tuner is quite lousy, with a very narrow > bandwidth (maybe 2.5 kHz at best) and yet poor selectivity, and lots > of internal synthesizer noise covering up reception of weaker > signals. > > If you want good (mono) AM reception and great AM sound quality from > an afforable walkman-type radio, try the blue Lennox Sound "AM/FM > Sports Radio" that Wal-Mart sells for $5.00. For that price, its > quality on AM is absolutely amazing. This one (well.. that is, when it was working..) blows away a newer model I have. AM audio quality is the same, but sensitivity is much better on this older one than a newer one I have. Mine doesn't have the vibrating bass earphone option. Is the Lennox one digital or analog? I prefer digital, but if it's an exceptional tuner I would accept analog (Sony SRF-42, for example - not "exceptional" tuner by my definition but AM Stereo makes up for it somewhat) If I was going to just get another one, what should I get? I sometimes can be fairly hard on them. I play tapes (and use the fast forward and rewind buttons and change tapes so much that I'd probably be better off with an MP3 CD Player, but I'm taking a Rio Volt SP250 back cause it's too flimsy a design for me) a lot. I also listen to AM stations, some of which are > 100 miles away with <= 5,000 watts transmit power (daytime stations). FM stations, if I ever listen to them, with the exception of maybe one or two local stations, are at least 100 miles away from me, adjacent-channel to strong local stations, and I live on the wrong side of a hill. What type of walkman/whatever would you/anyone recommend, or does anyone know what the performance of some other (even older) models of Sony, Panasonic, etc were like? I'm thinking about getting a Sony WM-GX822, but I can't find one ANYWHERE. :( From amstereorules@msn.com Sat May 24 06:19:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97079 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 13:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 13:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 13:19:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 13:19:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:19:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WalMart Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 482 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >If you want good (mono) AM reception and great AM sound quality from >an afforable walkman-type radio, try the blue Lennox Sound "AM/FM >Sports Radio" that Wal-Mart sells for $5.00. WalMart doesn't stock this anymore on their web site or stores. "If HD Radio doesn't sound better, what's the point?" -- Omnia Mario Orazio Mario Orazio is the pseudonym of a well-known engineer who wishes to remain anonymous. Send your questions or comments to him in care of this group. From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat May 24 06:51:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39760 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 13:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 13:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 13:51:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 13:51:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:51:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WalMart Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.84 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < amstereorules@m...> wrote: > > "If HD Radio doesn't sound better, what's the point?" -- Omnia This misses the point that sound quality isn't everything, there are other important qualities for a broadcast system to have. Besides, sound quality was thrown to the wind years ago with the rise of modern audio processing. John From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat May 24 07:07:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66510 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 14:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 14:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 14:07:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 14:07:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 14:07:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-42's for Ebay UK ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 102 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 213.121.68.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Have you any spare Chris ? I would be interested to see what response if you put a few on ebay uk ? From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 24 08:11:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6283 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 15:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 15:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 15:11:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 15:11:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 15:11:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WalMart Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 542 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > >If you want good (mono) AM reception and great AM sound quality from > >an afforable walkman-type radio, try the blue Lennox Sound "AM/FM > >Sports Radio" that Wal-Mart sells for $5.00. > WalMart doesn't stock this anymore on their web site or stores. It's still there under a different name right now. Blue only. The Family Dollar chain has them in different colors. Blue, green, icky purple and an almost white light blue metallic. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 24 08:24:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17674 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 15:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 15:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 15:24:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 15:20:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 15:20:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WalMart Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 725 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" > wrote: > > >If you want good (mono) AM reception and great AM sound quality > from > > >an afforable walkman-type radio, try the blue Lennox Sound "AM/FM > > >Sports Radio" that Wal-Mart sells for $5.00. > > WalMart doesn't stock this anymore on their web site or stores. > > > > It's still there under a different name right now. Blue only. > The Family Dollar chain has them in different colors. Blue, green, > icky purple and an almost white light blue metallic. Awww, I -like- pipple! :) (And lime green, for what it's worth. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 24 12:10:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36066 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 19:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 19:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 19:10:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 19:10:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:10:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WalMart Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 750 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" > wrote: > > It's still there under a different name right now. Blue only. > > The Family Dollar chain has them in different colors. Blue, green, > > icky purple and an almost white light blue metallic. > > Awww, I -like- pipple! :) (And lime green, for what it's worth. :) ) >> Amy. <:3 )~~8~ The green is a dark forest green. I also got a $20 CD boombox from WalMart...Lennoxsound. I hooked up some expensive headphones and listened to a CD. Not a TRACE of hiss in the audio circuits....amazingly decent. The AM is quite wide on the radio...but the FM is NOT stereo! Powell From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat May 24 13:51:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74007 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 20:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 20:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 20:51:52 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.c.119f3ae6 (4426) for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 16:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 16:51:49 EDT Subject: Sports Radio, was OT: WNBC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the few exceptions to the rule is independently-owned KFNS. The station is actually an AM/FM simulcast: the AM is licensed to Wood River, IL and operates on 590 kHz with 1 kW day and night, while the FM is licensed to Troy, MO, and operates on 100.7 MHz with 6 kW ERP at 100 meters (328 feet) above average terrain. The AM and FM are on opposite ends of town; the FM was added because much of the Westplex (the area consisting of the western two-thirds of St. Charles County, plus Warren, Lincoln and northern Franklin County) is in the AM's null toward KOMJ Omaha, NE. The station airs a mix of local sports talk and ESPN Sports Radio, well-programmed by veteran St. Louis sportscaster Mike Claiborne. KFNS consistently gets higher than a 1.0, but not by much. The last book I saw had them at a 1.3 rating. Their owners, Missouri Sports Radio LLC, added KRFT 1190 De Soto, MO over the winter; they carry Fox Sports Radio. They're 10 kW days, with an application to add 22 watts at night, which may not make it to De Soto from their transmitter site near East St. Louis, IL. By contrast, KXEN's 500-watt nighttime AM Stereo service probably makes it into Festus from their transmitter site in Mitchell, IL. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat May 24 14:47:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45073 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 21:47:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 21:47:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 21:47:26 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030524214727.CAFI18769.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 17:47:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 14:47:22 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WalMart Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4CABECA0-8E31-11D7-8803-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Pardon my language, but that's BS. If sound quality wasn't everything, exactly what advantages was IBOC supposed to provide? That is the ONLY thing hyped about it since research began on it years ago. Sounds to me like trying to change the subject now that people can actually hear for themselves how bad IBOC sounds, at least on AM. "Oh, well, sound quality wasn't really the reason we were working on this. It was really, uh, um, yeah, oh, nice day, huh?" On Saturday, May 24, 2003, at 06:51 AM, bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < > amstereorules@m...> wrote: >> >> "If HD Radio doesn't sound better, what's the point?" -- Omnia > > This misses the point that sound quality isn't everything, there are > other important qualities for a broadcast system to have. Besides, > sound quality was thrown to the wind years ago with the rise of modern > audio processing. > > John > > > From amstereoforum@widgets.acme.com Sat May 24 15:15:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoforum@widgets.acme.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79987 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 22:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 22:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 22:15:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 22:15:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 22:15:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: I am considering putting an SR-66 on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 137 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "megryan65000" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.52.187 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148564542 X-Yahoo-Profile: megryan65000 Here's the candidate description: http://www.dslextreme.com/users/flaxmeal/sr66.html Is anyone here interested? What is a fair price? From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 24 15:34:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25252 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 22:34:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 22:34:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 22:34:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 22:34:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 22:34:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WalMart Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4CABECA0-8E31-11D7-8803-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1386 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Pardon my language, but that's BS. If sound quality wasn't everything, > exactly what advantages was IBOC supposed to provide? That is the ONLY > thing hyped about it since research began on it years ago. Sounds to me > like trying to change the subject now that people can actually hear for > themselves how bad IBOC sounds, at least on AM. "Oh, well, sound > quality wasn't really the reason we were working on this. It was > really, uh, um, yeah, oh, nice day, huh?" Richard, as I see it, I think the only real reason Mr. Byrns likes IBOC is that it's "digital", the "new" technology, one of those who believes in "progress for the sake of progress", rather than whether or not it actually works better than the technology it is supposed to replace. Reminds me of DCC, though. Or 8mm video for home use (not just camcorders). (And yes, I got in on support for 8mm when it was introduced-- And it was indeed better, but the digital audio's AGC/compander left much to be desired.) Frankly, there is AM technology that blows away most commercial AM receivers that would rival FM & digital, including noise reduction, etc.- Why bother with a plainly inferior digital system when there are things like Symphony & Omega-- And I really am looking forward to Omega. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 24 16:48:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5877 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 23:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 23:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 23:48:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2003 23:48:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 23:48:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: From MSNBC.com: "Stop Michael Powell now" Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 988 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Found at: http://www.msnbc.com/news/752664.asp?0dm=C13QO May 23, 2003 / 12:33 PM ET STOP MICHAEL POWELL NOW The three largest local phone companies control 83 percent of home telephone lines. The top two long-distance carriers control 67 percent of that market. The four biggest cellular phone companies have 64 percent of the wireless market. The five largest cable companies pipe programming to 74 percent of the cable subscribers nationwide. Here's the new, obviously quite worrisome study by the Center for Public Integrity. Moyers' NOW has a another big report on the topic tonight, and here's Boehlert again on the FCC: more bad news from Mr. Powell. Someone stop this man. Dad? How about restoring a little honor to the family with the world's first father/son resignation. Tell him no inheritance of all those fancy lecture fees and book deals unless he does The Right Thing. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 24 17:03:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65079 invoked from network); 25 May 2003 00:03:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2003 00:03:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2003 00:03:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2003 00:03:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 00:03:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FCC Commissioner Jonathan S. Adelstein's comments on media ownership Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 20996 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie To further get interest on the subject- and hopefully encourage=20 further postings of public comments on Docket 02-277 on the FCC=20 website (http://www.fcc.gov/), I'm going to post Mr. Adelstein's=20 comments here. Warning, this will be long! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [FREE THE AIRWAVES FROM THE GRIP OF MONOPOLY NOW!] =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Posted on the web at:=20 http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/DOC-234736A1.htm =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 Remarks by FCC Commissioner Jonathan S. Adelstein Before The Media Institute May 20, 2003 =20 "Big Macs and Big Media: The Decision to Supersize" =20 This is a great day to speak at The Media Institute. We're on the=20 eve of the most sweeping and potentially destructive overhaul of the=20 FCC's media rules in the history of American broadcasting. But I'm=20 not sure we really know what we're about to unleash.=20=20 I'm fresh off the trail of media ownership hearings Commissioner=20 Copps and I held across the country =96 the so-called Magical Mystery=20 Tour. One of our participants, Ben Bagdikian, former dean of the=20 School of Journalism at UC Berkeley, spoke before a packed audience=20 at San Francisco's City Hall. In 1983, when the first edition of his=20 book The Media Monopoly was released, he wrote that, "50 corporations=20 dominated most of every mass medium." The number then dropped with=20 each new edition =96 to 29 firms in 1987, 23 in 1990, 14 in 1992 down=20 to 10 in 1997. The 2000 edition found that just six conglomerates=20 were supplying most of America's media.=20 This trend will only accelerate after June 2nd. In fact, we're=20 likely to witness a tsunami of mergers =96 an unprecedented wave of=20 consolidation. When this wave recedes, we'll find far fewer media=20 companies left standing. Some of you in this room today may be swept=20 away by that wave. But its principal victim may be our democracy.=20 Lou Dobbs' Moneyline last week ran an online poll asking=20 whether "too few corporations own too many media outlets." Now this=20 show's audience has a high-end demographic. Yet ninety-eight percent=20 said yes =96 ninety-eight percent. I wonder who the other two percent=20 were?=20=20 I would guess that one percent were investment bankers salivating at=20 the prospect of getting a piece of the action. After all, during the=20 first month after the 1996 Act, more than $2 billion in radio=20 transactions took place, and I've heard a lot more than that are in=20 the wings today. In fact, Merrill Lynch says the "Gold Rush" has=20 already begun. Deutsche Bank predicts that hundreds of TV stations=20 will be sold or swapped. And the other one percent of Moneyline viewers? They probably=20 already work for the big media companies that hope to come out on=20 top. That leaves about 100 percent of the general audience =96 the=20 citizens whose interests the Commission is sworn to protect =96 opposed=20 to today's concentration levels, let alone the more powerful media=20 empires to come.=20=20 That fits with what I witnessed at hearings across the country. Of=20 the hundreds of citizens I heard from, many extremely articulate, not=20 one person stood up to say, "I want to see even more concentration in=20 our media ownership." Not one. And that's what we see in the=20 comments pouring in to the FCC =96 virtually none from the public=20 say "please, let big media companies get bigger =96 I can't wait to see=20 what they'll produce with all those economies of scale." The Free=20 Press and the Future of Music recently surveyed about 10,000 citizen=20 comments and found that only 11 people supported relaxing the rules =96=20 about 1/10 of one percent. Aside from these 11 people, the only=20 other proponents for further media consolidation appear to be=20 companies in deal-making mode or their advocates. We heard opposition from the NRA to Tom Petty, from Barry Diller to=20 Pearl Jam, from Norman Lear to Ted Turner. Why is this chorus so in=20 tune? Americans instinctively hold a deep hostility to big media.=20=20 It violates every tenet of a free democratic society to let a handful=20 of powerful companies control our media.=20=20 FCC proceedings typically generate comment from a handful of=20 affected companies and inside-the-Beltway types. But this one is=20 radically different. Now, we're getting tens of thousands of=20 comments weekly, which is unprecedented =96 and nearly all in one=20 direction. More than 137,000 citizens have weighed in so far. I've heard the argument, "What does public outrage matter? The=20 FCC's got a job to do, spurred on by Congress and the courts, and we=20 can't make these decisions by popular vote."=20=20 Let me tell you why I believe it matters. The FCC is charged by law=20 to serve the public interest. And the public has zero interest in=20 seeing media conglomerates grow bigger. The public knows=20 instinctively what the FCC is supposed to do =96 protect them from=20 large entities gaining too much control over critical channels of=20 communication. A majority of five unelected bureaucrats shouldn't=20 substitute their own judgment =96 or the judgment of self-interested=20 corporate CEOs =96 for the protection of the American people.=20=20 Americans take this matter =96 the media that they watch, listen to=20 and read every day =96 very personally. That became clear to me as I=20 listened to hundreds of them express profound insights in passionate=20 one- or two-minute statements. In a nutshell, people think further=20 media consolidation will only accelerate trends they already find=20 alarming. They think it will only increase sensationalism,=20 crassness, violence, homogenization and lack of serious news coverage=20 across the public airwaves.=20=20 Dismissing the public's views is a recipe for disaster, and it will=20 have consequences we're already beginning to see. We have in our=20 hands a lit match, and we're moving closer to a powder keg of public=20 anger that may be about to explode.=20 Could that explain why the Commission shied away from floating=20 specific proposals for public comment? We can predict the outcome:=20 the public outcry would be deafening. To borrow an image from a=20 recent speech by the Chairman, in this case the penguins aren't just=20 swimming, they're screeching loudly. And it's tough to sneak a smelly=20 dead fish past a bunch of angry penguins.=20=20=20 =20 People always notice what happens to their media, even if=20 they don't always know why. Many will notice the results from=20 relaxing the rules whether or not they complained in advance. So=20 what kind of backlash might result if the FCC pushes this too far?=20 One of my neighbors stopped me this weekend and asked if I had any=20 part in this media debate. He wanted to know if the "fix is in" for=20 even greater consolidation. He concluded, "well, if you can't do=20 anything to stop it, you'd better regulate the hell out of the few=20 left standing."=20=20 One very possible backlash is that the public may someday soon=20 demand more intrusive content regulation or a return to the=20 prescriptive solutions of the past. Most people agree with my view=20 that content-neutral structural regulation is highly preferable to=20 content regulation. But if the FCC whittles away the last vestiges=20 of structural regulation, pressure for more intrusive regulation may=20 boil over, threatening the First Amendment values The Media Institute=20 holds so dear.=20 We're already hearing a growing refrain for media reform from people=20 upset by the content of today's programming =96 by the rampant bad=20 taste, sensationalism, sex, violence and lack of positive family=20 programming on TV; by the explicit language and homogenization on the=20 radio dial; by the stories not being covered in the news media,=20 particularly when the media's corporate self-interests are at stake =96=20 which we have seen in this very proceeding. People all over, not=20 just in Minot, North Dakota, have drawn a direct link between=20 consolidation, with its absentee ownership, and the failure to meet=20 the needs of local communities.=20=20 So I caution those seeking further consolidation, including many of=20 you in this room: use any increased efficiencies you may gain=20 wisely. For if not, people might very well demand to see in license=20 renewal proceedings or in quarterly reports more specific evidence of=20 how owners are meeting the needs of local communities. They might=20 try to return to a world where license renewals bring an opportunity=20 for others to show how they would serve the public interest better.=20 They might demand ascertainment studies or more rigid standards for=20 broadcast decency. They might also seek to force a more balanced=20 perspective of viewpoints on the airwaves or the labeling of=20 corporate cross-promotions. I'm not saying I support these measures,=20 but the public may call for more oversight if they become frustrated=20 by consolidation. Now, I try to remain the eternal optimist, and hold out hope, even=20 as time fades, that extremist proposals can still be moderated.=20=20 There are yet some ways of moving the match away from the powder=20 keg. Reasoned compromise can diffuse this issue. Rather than=20 allowing massive consolidation, we should take a conservative=20 approach that gradually permits additional mergers we can evaluate=20 before completely unleashing the industry.=20=20 But hopes fade with time and with setbacks in the opposite=20 direction. Commissioner Copps and I were refused the traditional=20 courtesy we requested of a few more weeks time to seek common ground =96 and to study more thoroughly the impact of the proposals before we=20 vote on them. And we were denied the opportunity to air the specific=20 proposals publicly, which would have assisted us in avoiding=20 unintended consequences and sustaining the order in court. Despite these setbacks, the Chairman has challenged us to join in a=20 commitment to finding solutions. So today I would like to offer some=20 thoughts on at least some aspects of the issues raised in the=20 proceeding. At the outset, let me say that I cannot support any part of an order=20 that fails to reaffirm the most basic tenet of our 70 years of=20 American broadcast regulation: that in return for the free and=20 exclusive use of valuable and scarce public spectrum, broadcasters=20 have a special obligation to serve the public interest. Nor could I=20 support an order that finds that broadcasters are just another voice=20 in a crowd of ever-expanding and fungible media channels. And I=20 wouldn't think that broadcasters would cozy up to this "just another=20 voice" characterization either. For if broadcasters are no different=20 from cable channels or web sites in the grand media scheme, what's=20 the basis for the must carry rules and the "free" digital television=20 channels broadcasters were awarded?=20=20 Despite the oft-repeated exhortation that technology has changed=20 everything, a simple fact remains. No technological advances have=20 made it possible for every person who wants to broadcast in a local=20 community to do so. We therefore must reaffirm that the public=20 interest is served by promoting all three of the basic principles=20 that form the foundation of American broadcasting system: localism,=20 diversity, and competition =96 not just competition alone.=20=20 =20 First, we must consider how to hold broadcasters=20 accountable to the public for the benefits they claim will result=20 from consolidation. Proponents of relaxing the rules tout=20 efficiencies as justifying newspaper-TV combinations, or TV duopolies=20 and triopolies.=20=20 So let the buyer disclose upfront what he or she commits to do with=20 those efficiencies.=20=20 What better programming, particularly locally-originated and=20 oriented programming, will the buyer produce? Will they hire=20 additional reporters to investigate local news stories? What better=20 coverage will result of local events and local artists? Will each=20 entity retain separate editorial discretion, and will the overall=20 editorial budget be increased? How will the owner treat complaints=20 of stories not being covered? Will the broadcaster improve its=20 emergency broadcasting capabilities, or invest in better technology=20 to alert the community to dangerous conditions? Before allowing=20 media companies to expand into traditionally-protected areas, the=20 public should know how it will benefit them. The FCC should then require an annual showing from the consolidated=20 broadcaster that it met its commitments. Were efficiencies channeled=20 into meeting the localism and diversity needs of the community, or=20 did they go straight to the bottom line? The Commission has=20 consistently required broadcasters seeking waivers of ownership rules=20 to make specific, tangible representations of the benefits of=20 consolidation. So given all the benefits claimed in this proceeding,=20 this should be an easy showing for merging parties. And it will=20 allow the FCC and the Congress to make more informed decisions on=20 future levels of concentration. =20 Second, diversity concerns stemming from cross-ownership=20 of a broadcast station with other media outlets like newspapers or=20 cable should be addressed based upon a specific showing of the=20 diverse voices available in individual local markets and the power of=20 the proposed combination to undermine diverse viewpoints. The=20 Supreme Court has said that "promoting the widespread dissemination=20 of information from a multiplicity of sources" is of the highest=20 order. So safeguarding diversity should not be subject to abstract=20 diversity scenarios that hypothetical markets of certain sizes may=20 engender. Given diversity's paramount position in our democracy, it=20 shouldn't be given short shrift by rules that neither reflect the=20 realities of available viewpoints nor the power of particular=20 combinations.=20 Third, with respect to the national cap, while I clearly prefer to=20 keep the cap at the 35% level that Congress established, in my=20 opinion, the only other number that makes legal and policy sense is=20 40%, the number the market is at today. Before we increase the=20 national cap, however, we must examine whether UHF stations should=20 continue to retain a 50% discount and whether the increased power of=20 the broadcast networks should be offset by safeguards for the=20 retention of independently-produced content. Both of these issues=20 are inextricably linked to an increase in the cap, and should be=20 considered in further detail before any increase in the national cap=20 takes effect. The UHF discount was put in place to reflect technical limits of the=20 UHF signal in reaching the full audience of a VHF station. Today,=20 however, 85% of the population is receiving broadcast television=20 stations through cable or DBS. If restraints on the ability to reach=20 a full audience have eroded due to cable carriage, so too should the=20 UHF discount. If the whole purpose of this exercise is to update our=20 rules in light of technological developments, we cannot ignore some=20 just because we don't like the outcome of more stringent limits.=20=20 =20 Likewise, with the change in the network cap from 25% to=20 35% and the repeal of the Financial Interest and Syndication Rules=20 and the Prime Time Access Rule, we have seen the near extinction of=20 independent production companies and independent creative=20 entrepreneurs. Whereas 10 years ago, 85% of the programs on=20 television were created and produced by entities independent of the=20 networks, today only 15% to 20% are independently produced. Does=20 network ownership restrain competition and diversity of content=20 production? How have the trends over the past decade affected the=20 diversity of viewpoints from different sources and encouraged=20 competition from small businesses?=20=20 Without the answers to questions like these in this or a further=20 rulemaking proceeding, it's difficult to move forward with confidence=20 that we know the full impact of our decisions. I'm not saying I know=20 the final answers. At a minimum, though, we should have well thought=20 out and intellectually-coherent answers to these questions before we=20 raise the network ownership cap.=20=20=20 From the outset of broadcasting, policymakers have always understood=20 that localism and diversity are inefficient. If efficiencies were=20 all that mattered, Congress would have told the FCC to give out=20 national or regional broadcast licenses. After all, the most=20 efficient possible structure is for one large company, let's call it=20 Pravda, to gather the news for everyone. American broadcasting has=20 never been about maximizing bottom-line efficiencies over all else.=20=20 Going back to 1927, the Federal Radio Commission reported to Congress=20 that it would assign station frequencies to serve as many communities=20 as possible. It specifically sought to prevent New York and Chicago=20 stations from dominating the airwaves. Today our inquiry should not=20 veer off this course.=20=20 Localism continues to be the core organizational principle of the=20 Commission's dispersal of valuable spectrum rights. Nothing in the=20 1996 Act jettisoned this core principle. In fact, the 1996 Act's=20 legislative history strongly reaffirms localism over efficiencies,=20 saying "Localism is an expensive value. We believe it is a vitally=20 important value, however, [and] should be preserved and enhanced."=20=20 So to avoid backlash from the public and its representatives, it=20 will be up to many of you in the room today to prove that=20 efficiencies gained by any relaxation of broadcast ownership rules=20 are channeled in the direction of serving local communities and local=20 residents.=20=20 I often hear from industry sources, "we're just giving people what=20 they want. After all, that's our business. And as we get bigger, we=20 just have more resources and ability to deliver a better quality=20 product." This is certainly true to some extent. But let me extend a warning=20 about this. You might call it the "McDonaldization" of the American=20 media. McDonald's spends a lot trying to give people what they=20 want. They only put products out after expensive field testing.=20=20 Every product is analyzed to satisfy the greatest number of people,=20 even if the local community may have its own unique tastes. Don't=20 get me wrong, I like McDonald's, and eat there sometimes. But I don't=20 eat there every day. And even if I did, I know it wouldn't be very=20 healthy.=20=20 The same goes for the media. People also need a balanced media=20 diet =96 a diverse menu, if you will. But it's a lot harder to set up=20 a broadcast station than a new restaurant. Any of us with a few=20 resources can open an alternative, say a health food store, right=20 next to a fast food restaurant. But not just anybody can open a TV=20 or radio station. In fact, those are nearly impossible businesses=20 for upstarts to break into, and the barriers to entry may rise even=20 higher after June 2nd. The spectrum can't support everyone deciding=20 to start their own TV and radio station. Neither cable nor the=20 Internet has changed the huge market power granted by federal license=20 to use scarce broadcast spectrum, particularly when that license=20 comes with the requirement to be carried on cable. If these scarce=20 licenses weren't valuable, their price wouldn't continue to skyrocket=20 as they have in recent years.=20=20=20=20 The scarcity of the public's airwaves is the very reason it's up to=20 the FCC to ensure a diversity of owners and viewpoints. Fast food=20 chains are welcome to spread as fast as the market will bear. People=20 will always find another place to eat. But they won't always find a=20 diversity of viewpoints in their media unless we do our jobs. And we=20 won't be fulfilling our duties if we treat the media like we treat=20 fast food.=20=20 Unlike typical consumer products, the media produces significant=20 positive and negative externalities. The media is where people=20 receive information and guidance for their democracy and their way of=20 life. A broadcaster is still in some senses a gatekeeper =96 deciding=20 which issues are important to a community, whether any particular=20 speaker gains access to the airwaves, and how various sides of an=20 issue are presented. So while mass-produced media may be more=20 efficient, it may have disastrous results for our democracy.=20=20 Put simply, Big Macs and big media don't have the same repercussions=20 for our communities. And while a person may decide Supersizing their=20 Big Mac meal sounds good in the short term, they may find it leads to=20 damaging results in the long term.=20=20 I'm afraid that the FCC isn't only about to further McDonaldize the=20 media =96 it's about to Supersize it. Once we place our order on June=20 2nd, we'll all have to digest what comes our way. And the public may=20 be about to experience a giant "Maalox moment." I, for one, hope=20 that we take it slowly and avoid indigestion.=20=20 Thank you, and I would be happy to take a few questions or comments.=20 From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 24 17:47:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15640 invoked from network); 25 May 2003 00:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2003 00:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2003 00:47:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2003 00:47:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 00:47:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: June 2! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 480 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Just remember, post comments to the FCC and contact your congresscritters (rats though they may be) before June 2, to stop Michael Powell and this media ownership ruling... Go here to comment on Docket 02-277 online: http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/ecfs/Upload?hot_docket=1006400938%7C02-277% 7CBroadcast+Ownership&Send=Continue (Cut&paste as appropriate.) Please do this, for all our sakes. Especially for our children, since this is the legacy we leave them. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun May 25 00:29:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33443 invoked from network); 25 May 2003 07:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2003 07:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2003 07:29:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2003 07:29:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 07:29:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: anyone know about Panasonic RQ-SW10 Shockwave (not AM Stereo)? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1412 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key If that's the case, would it be possible to repair/replace it (on my own rather than taking it into a shop) or would I be better off trying to buy another one for $5 on ebay, or if I can find one somewhere, try to find a Sony WM-GX822 for < $20? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alfredo E. Torrejon" wrote: > wrote: > > > > Basically, on the radio, when I tune to AM and put it next to > > another AM radio, then the IF beat tone generated by the RQ-SW10 is fixed to > > 910KHz plus/minus a little drift (sometimes finding its way up to > > 920, 930, or even around 940KHz). The FM section's generated IF tone is > > fixed around 94.3MHz or so. > > Most likely, this "IF beat note" that you're listening to is the > local oscillator. 910 kHz and 94.3 MHz are below the normal tuning > ranges of the local oscillators in an AM/FM radio. To tune 530 kHz, the > AM local oscillator would have to run at 980 kHz, and to tune 87.9 MHz, > the local oscillator would be at 98.6 MHz. Typically, the reverse bias on > the varactors would be about 1 volt under these conditions. I would bet > that if you put a voltmeter on the tuning line of that radio, you will > find 0 volts or something close to that. Possibly, what happened when you > dropped the radio was that you damaged the quartz crystal that the PLL > uses for its reference oscillator. > > Alfredo From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun May 25 11:31:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10057 invoked from network); 25 May 2003 18:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2003 18:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2003 18:31:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2003 18:31:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 18:31:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WalMart Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1998 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > Pardon my language, but that's BS. If sound quality wasn't > > everything, exactly what advantages was IBOC supposed to provide? > > That is the ONLY thing hyped about it since research began on it > > years ago. Sounds to me like trying to change the subject now > > that people can actually hear for themselves how bad IBOC sounds, > > at least on AM. "Oh, well, sound quality wasn't really the reason > > we were working on this. It was really, uh, um, yeah, oh, nice > > day, huh?" > > Richard, as I see it, I think the only real reason Mr. Byrns likes > IBOC is that it's "digital", the "new" technology, one of those who > believes in "progress for the sake of progress", rather than whether > or not it actually works better than the technology it is supposed > to replace. Amy, I think Richard is overreacting as a result of his dislike for anything new, or anything he doesn't understand. He obviously hasn't read any of the old papers that discuss the goals of the IBOC digital transmission system. If sound quality were the sole criterion for a broadcast transmission system, this group wouldn't be populated by those who insist on preserving skywave reception at any cost. Some other desirable qualities for a broadcast transmission system to have, in addition to good sound quality, are noise free reception, the ability to implement features like providing information on the current programming for display on the receiver, and provision for the protection of intellectual property rights. I'm sure there are others I haven't mentioned, but that is a short list of features that the traditional analog system doesn't provide. Certainly a data channel can be grafted onto the analog system, but IMHO a noise free analog AM system in the MW band, is little more than a pipe dream. John From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun May 25 17:59:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79666 invoked from network); 26 May 2003 00:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2003 00:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2003 00:58:59 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.1c5.98283eb (4116) for ; Sun, 25 May 2003 20:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c5.98283eb.2c02c0bf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 20:58:39 EDT Subject: John, GIVE UP ON IBOC! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, any claims you make concerning IBOC are flat out lies. Most Americans cannot afford the extremely high cost of IBOC receivers. Noise-free analog radios are possible...you just have to give the research types a fair chance. If you're such a supporter of this crappy IBOC system, then YOU SHOULD GET OUT OF THE RADIO BUSINESS FOREVER. Frequencies below 1 GHz (1000 MHz) are not suited for digital radio. You should really fight to get the Pentagon off the L-Band, since they are illegally using this band, which is reserved for digital audio broadcasting worldwide. The FCC should get the Department of Defense to find new frequencies for telemetry, and put DAB on the L-Band instead of desecrating AM and FM. Face it, John...ANALOG IS SUPERIOR TO DIGITAL. Give up IBOC, and accept the fact that analog AM and FM will be around forever. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 25 20:02:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14580 invoked from network); 26 May 2003 03:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2003 03:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2003 03:02:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2003 03:02:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 03:02:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: June 2! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 408 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/ecfs/Upload?hot_docket=1006400938%7C02- > 277%7CBroadcast+Ownership&Send=Continue > > (Cut&paste as appropriate.) BTW, for more "Yahoo-friendly" handling of long URLs, I highly recommend use of TinyURL. In this case, it turned your long URL into: http://tinyurl.com/cnvy Just go to http://tinyurl.com and enter the URL you want to convert-- it's easy, simple, and free! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 26 01:13:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83319 invoked from network); 26 May 2003 08:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2003 08:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2003 08:13:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2003 08:13:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 08:13:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo mentioned in my local newspaper Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 695 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This Sunday's "Star-Ledger" newspaper, covering northern and central New Jersey, included an article about radio in NJ, with a full station list and a write-up about NJ's radio history as well as the current radio scene here. In the history section, they included this, which caught my eye: "WPAT (930 AM) was the first AM stereo station in New Jersey, switching its signal to stereo in 1984." The article also spent quite a bit of time talking about 1680 WTTM and their innovative South Asian format, but unfortunately didn't mention that WTTM broadcasts in AM Stereo. To read the complete article, it can be found online here: http://radio-info.com/boards/nj/index.cgi?read=17589 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 26 01:19:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27463 invoked from network); 26 May 2003 08:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2003 08:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2003 08:18:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2003 08:18:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 08:18:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ten Thousand and Counting... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 242 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics For what it's worth, I noticed that the message I just posted came up as number 10000. So, I would just like to thank everybody here for making this possible -- to have such a consistently popular and active group. Long live AM Stereo! From amstereorules@msn.com Mon May 26 04:17:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33170 invoked from network); 26 May 2003 11:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2003 11:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2003 11:17:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2003 11:17:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:17:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Wal*Mart $5 Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 253 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >It's still there under a different name right now. Blue only. >The Family Dollar chain has them in different colors. Blue, green, >icky purple and an almost white light blue metallic. Powell Thanks for the tip, wow the best $5 I spent all weekend. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon May 26 15:00:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70687 invoked from network); 26 May 2003 22:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2003 22:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2003 22:00:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2003 22:00:30 -0000 Date: 26 May 2003 22:00:29 -0000 Message-ID: <1053986429.436466.3123.w1@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/Len-dx.mp3 Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Audio sample of nighttime DXing with the $5.00 Wal-Mart Lennox Sound radio. Includes central NJ reception of 670 WSCR, 760 WJR, 800 CKLW, 840 WHAS, 890 WLS, and 1000 WMVP, all received using only the built-in antenna. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/Len-dx.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon May 26 15:11:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1725 invoked from network); 26 May 2003 22:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2003 22:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2003 22:11:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20030526221102.75467.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.127.59.23] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 May 2003 15:11:02 PDT Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Speak Now or Forever Hold Your Peace To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Folks, if ever there was a time to write or call your Congressman, now is the time. Contact your Congressman to let them know that the FCC's 'secret vote' on June 2nd is something that needs the 'light of day' as this is the most important vote since the FCC in 1934. Having monopolies for the broadcast media merging with print media, is not right. The media companies have already proven that when given an inch that they take a mile - and that proof if the Telecommunications Act of 1996 - the FCC gave Clear Channel / Jacor and inch back then, and in less than 7 years they own 1/4 of the stations and looking for more. The 1996 Telecom Act did NOT increase DIVERSITY, did NOT increase COMPETITION, and did not serve the PUBLIC. Michael isn't his father's Powell, and his arrogance is not going unnoticed. comment on 02-277 (if the FCC isn't overloaded with comments yet) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From jim@burgan.net Mon May 26 16:28:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5585 invoked from network); 26 May 2003 23:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2003 23:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc01.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.163) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2003 23:28:28 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-223-134-248.client.insightbb.com[12.223.134.248]) by sccimhc01.insightbb.com (sccimhc01) with SMTP id <20030526232827im1002kkbte>; Mon, 26 May 2003 23:28:27 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c323de$8530b6e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Commissioner Jonathan S. Adelstein's comments on media ownership Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:28:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >Amymousie posted: > The three largest local phone companies control 83 percent of >home telephone lines. 25 years ago better than 83% of home telephones were provided by ONE company. >The top two long-distance carriers control 67 >percent of that market. 25 years ago, nearly 90% of the long-distance calls were handled by ONE company (the same one who controlled more than 83% of the home phone business. Before I digress from residential phone service, let me say the above company was AT&T. They, through their local network of "Bell System" operations (100% owned by AT&T), also owned nearly all production of phone equipment (Western Electric, a wholly owned subsidiary of AT&T manufactured nearly all home phones), and you had to lease them through your local Bell system. You never owned the equipment. You had to pay to have a second line wired, then lease the equipment then pay a monthly charge for the additional service. They even charged customers extra for Touch Tone service, which was actually cheaper for them to use to switch calls than the pulse dialing and was actually cheaper for them to run, yet they charged consumers extra for saving themselves money. They charged what few competitors they had outrageous prices to access their long-distance network and to license their technology... GTE was the only real competitor, but they operated using much of Western Electric's switching equipment. The sound quality of long-distance calls was pathetic by today's standards and the rates were unbelievable. When I got my first phone service in 1973, an out-of-state-call cost more than 40 cents per minute, and in-state calls were nearly as much. The fact that the top two carriers control 67 percent of the long-distance marker these days is more reflective of marketing than anything else. There have never been more choices for long distance companies. As for local service, a few months ago, I switched my residential service from SBC/Ameritech to The Neighborhood (MCI) and now pay a flat rate of $50 a month for local and long-distance service, with unlimited local and long distance calls. Most of my adult life I have paid phone bills in excess of $100 a month, now my bill never exceeds the $50 a month. I must admit that customer service (with SBC/Ameritech and MCI) has been less than good, but the money I am saving more than offsets any CS problems. >The four biggest cellular phone companies >have 64 percent of the wireless market. I don't think that is a bad ratio, but there are still plenty of competitors out there. Verizon and Cingular have the biggest networks so far, but as Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile and the others expand their networks, the prices will drop with competition. When I got my first Cellphone in 1988, the cost was astronomical,,, It was with Cellular One and I paid over $80 a months for 300 minutes. That same service today on Sprint PCS costs me about $30 a month, plus I have unlimited nights and weekends and can call my wife 24/7 free. >The five largest cable >companies pipe programming to 74 percent of the cable subscribers >nationwide. I agree that cable and satellite providers are a sore spot in my book. Cable rates rise faster than about any other consumer service and the service is terrible. I actually a satellite dish (Dish Network's Dish 500) and get nearly 200 channels for $40 a month. I have a cable mode supplied by Insight/Comcast and because I am not a cable subscriber they charge me $10 more a month for Internet service than they do their cable customers. I resent that because it doesn't cost them a penny more to provide my service than it does a cable customer. As for my dish programming, The same thing on cable would cost me twice that much. As for dish providers, in 1995 there were 4 major operators, Primestar (which was actually owned by Cox Cable, Time Warner Cable, Comcast Cable, TCI cable and others), Echostar (today's Dish Network), Direct TV/USSB and a variety of C-Band services/packages. Primestar was bought out by Direct TV, and they folded the Primestar customer base into Direct -TV and in the past year Direct TV has been trying to purchase Dish Network (it may already be done). The price wars between Direct TV,Primestar and Dish Network have kept prices fairly low with few price increases over the years. When Primestar was gobbled by Direct TV, prices went up. If the Direct TV/Dish merger goes through (assuming it hasn't already done so), it will kill satellite competition and rates will skyrocket the same way cable's have. Therefore, I'm in your corner on this one. I am not against consolidation or large corporations, but I generally oppose government control of anything in the business world or my private life (Libertarian with a capitol L). I am no friend of Clear Channel or Infinity, but any attempt at getting less government in my life is fine with me (within reason). -Jim Burgan - From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 26 16:33:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7226 invoked from network); 26 May 2003 23:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2003 23:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2003 23:33:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2003 23:33:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:33:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Speak Now or Forever Hold Your Peace Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030526221102.75467.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 630 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: =snip= > comment on 02-277 (if the FCC isn't overloaded with comments yet) I would not be surprised if it's well over 200,000 comments so far, but please, if you haven't, I urge all of you to do so. I have, and you should to. Also, spread the word as far as possible about this. Tell them about Commissioner Adelstein's opposition, tell them about Docket 02-277! If you believe in the rights and freedoms of being an American, oppose 02-277! This may be your last chance to save what's left of the meaning of being American. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon May 26 17:36:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79369 invoked from network); 27 May 2003 00:36:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2003 00:36:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2003 00:36:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2003 00:36:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 00:36:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FCC Commissioner Jonathan S. Adelstein's comments on media ownership Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c323de$8530b6e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4561 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > >Amymousie posted: > > The three largest local phone companies control 83 percent of > >home telephone lines. > > 25 years ago better than 83% of home telephones were provided by ONE > company. > > >The top two long-distance carriers control 67 > >percent of that market. > > 25 years ago, nearly 90% of the long-distance calls were handled by ONE > company (the same one who controlled more than 83% of the home phone > business. And 5 years after that- 20 years ago- AT&T was broken up into the seven "baby Bells", and long distance was finally opened up to the various carriers.....except the Baby Bells. AT&T's monopoly was strong for a very long time, but their aggregious behavior became too much for Americans, and so Congress broke them up. It was necessary, although how they did it, I wouldn't have agreed with, since it didn't place these seven regional Bell companies into competition with each other until much later. Was America better served? Not initially, no, as at the time, there wasn't just one national monopoly, but seven regional monopolies, and it wouldn't be until around 1990 that most would even see any sort of competition, locally or long-distance. JUst as an aside, 25 years ago, AT&T was forced to allow subscribers to own their own phones, and rather quickly, the two biggest phone relailers were AT&T...and Radio Shack. =snip= > >The four biggest cellular phone companies > >have 64 percent of the wireless market. > > I don't think that is a bad ratio, but there are still plenty of competitors > out there. Verizon and Cingular have the biggest networks so far, but as > Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile and the others expand their networks, the prices > will drop with competition. This situation isn't as bad now as it was when it started. Here in Northwestern California, which is semi-rural, we have between 6 and 8 services, with the three biggest being Edge Wireless, Sprint, and U.S. Cellular. Cellular is pretty close to saturation, locally and nationally, so this really isn't a problem yet, although most who get one of those calling plans with free phones may not realize that the cellphone company still owns your phone. I managed to buy one at a reasonable cost, so if I decide to switch, I have my own phone- Even though it's an older, but still digital, model. > When I got my first Cellphone in 1988, the cost was astronomical,,, It was > with Cellular One and I paid over $80 a months for 300 minutes. > That same service today on Sprint PCS costs me about $30 a month, plus I > have unlimited nights and weekends and can call my wife 24/7 free. The cost of equipment and implementing the technology was astronomical, to put it into perspective. 14 years later, there isn't much more that can be done on setting up the networks, just the upkeep and advancing technologies, so nowadays the costs are much lower than they were in the beginning. The savings- not to mention the competitiveness for yoyur business- is passed on to you in lower bills. =snip= > I am not against consolidation or large corporations, but I generally oppose > government control of anything in the business world or my private life > (Libertarian with a capitol L). I am no friend of Clear Channel or > Infinity, but any attempt at getting less government in my life is fine with > me (within reason). In some ways, I agree, but in others, I don't, especially in the realm of business. If you take away the rules, it becomes a free-for- all, and the consumer is the ones who will hurt. There NEEDS to be ownership limits to prevent anything like this from happening. And Mr, Adelstein is correct- When given the opportunity to take away any local responsibility, the corporate broadcasters salivate like there's no tomorrow, because they -don't- really give much of a damn what they're doing as long as they get rich. With rights, there are responsibilities. Take away the responsibilities, and whatch how your rights get abused. We don't live in a "nice" world where rules and laws are unnecessary, and everyone treats everyone else with kindness and respect- No, we live in a very selfish world, where any opportunity to advance at the expense of others is encouraged. That's why we have laws, and regulations. That's why we're supposed to have a government-- To keep everybody in check without interfering with their rights. And for what it's worth, I'm a liberal, with a little "l". Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon May 26 18:35:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35050 invoked from network); 27 May 2003 01:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2003 01:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2003 01:34:59 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-193.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.193]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h4R1YuoF022341 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 20:34:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005001c2c748$c8617c80$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <1c5.98283eb.2c02c0bf@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} John, GIVE UP ON IBOC! Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:44:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Disagree if you must, Eric, but your lack of civility is as bad as his support of IBOC and does nothing to advance the cause of AM stereo. No wonder Bob Carter doesn't want you on any of his lists. And under what law is the US military's use of L-band illegal? Before Eureka 147 came along, about the only ones in the whole world using those freqs. were the US military. And until the UN or WARC sets up some sort of international FCC, there will never be complete compliance by *anybody*. Even China is using 6955 for some of their broadcasts- not an internationally recognized international broadcast freq. (though a lot of pirates frequent that spot. :) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > If > you're such a supporter of this crappy IBOC system, then YOU SHOULD GET OUT OF > THE RADIO BUSINESS FOREVER. Frequencies below 1 GHz (1000 MHz) are not suited > for digital radio. > You should really fight to get the Pentagon off the L-Band, since they are > illegally using this band, which is reserved for digital audio broadcasting > worldwide. From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon May 26 20:37:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45969 invoked from network); 27 May 2003 03:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2003 03:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2003 03:37:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2003 03:37:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 03:37:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WalMart Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2244 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > > wrote: > > > Pardon my language, but that's BS. If sound quality wasn't > > > everything, exactly what advantages was IBOC supposed to provide? > > > That is the ONLY thing hyped about it since research began on it > > > years ago. Sounds to me like trying to change the subject now > > > that people can actually hear for themselves how bad IBOC sounds, > > > at least on AM. "Oh, well, sound quality wasn't really the reason > > > we were working on this. It was really, uh, um, yeah, oh, nice > > > day, huh?" Oh the sun is shining...after the tornado... ]:) > Amy, I think Richard is overreacting as a result of his dislike for > anything new, or anything he doesn't understand. He obviously hasn't > read any of the old papers that discuss the goals of the IBOC digital > transmission system. If sound quality were the sole criterion for a > broadcast transmission system, this group wouldn't be populated by > those who insist on preserving skywave reception at any cost. DRM. not IBOC. Some > other desirable qualities for a broadcast transmission system to have, > in addition to good sound quality, are noise free reception, the > ability to implement features like providing information on the > current programming for display on the receiver, and provision for the > protection of intellectual property rights. Translate gouging the broadcasters and consumers for money. I'm sure there are others > I haven't mentioned, but that is a short list of features that the > traditional analog system doesn't provide. Certainly a data channel > can be grafted onto the analog system, but IMHO a noise free analog AM > system in the MW band, is little more than a pipe dream. It's not possible. Just get a super dooper rip roaring bolt producing thunderstorm and functionality fails....IMMEDIATELY. AND if there is a tornado involved lives can be lost because tha digital signal failed badly enough that the message didn't get through. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon May 26 20:47:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98274 invoked from network); 27 May 2003 03:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2003 03:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2003 03:47:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2003 03:47:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 03:47:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Phone service or now disservice? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 737 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Phone service now is not as reliable as it was when it was one company. LD service is cheap. Worldcom MCI went bankrupt. Quest may be next. AT&T is in VERY shaky condition. I worked at BellSouth (then Southern Bell ) for 28 years, and they are right now the best of the baby bells and probably the only one that understands DSL. I took my money and made my own retirement. Better than what BS offered but less than $1000 a month. BUT, look at it this way, if there were a WIDESPREAD disaster, some of the LEC's ( local exchange carriers) may not be able to re establish service. Same to LD companies. Oh, well. And cellular? If the wire line services fail, they don't work either. I'm glad I have my ham license. Powell From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon May 26 20:59:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83131 invoked from network); 27 May 2003 03:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2003 03:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2003 03:59:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2003 03:59:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 03:59:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Wal*Mart $5 Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 889 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > >It's still there under a different name right now. Blue only. > >The Family Dollar chain has them in different colors. Blue, green, > >icky purple and an almost white light blue metallic. > Powell Thanks for the tip, wow the best $5 I spent all weekend. Could someone hook me up with a link to a pic of one, or any other info on one? I might want to run to local walmart and try one out. I listened to the mp3 that was posted on the list and it had good DX - better on those stations than I was able to get on a Panasonic RQ-SW10 in Virginia. (My RQ-SW44 couldn't hear them at all.) Since that radio, for $5, has such a good tuner, anyone know of anything for, say, $10 or $15, that is at least that good, only has AM (Stereo), tunes 530-1700KHz or more with at least 7.5 KHz frequency response? From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon May 26 21:07:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74511 invoked from network); 27 May 2003 04:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2003 04:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2003 04:07:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 May 2003 21:07:29 -0700 Received: from 172.149.76.139 by bay7-dav42.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 27 May 2003 04:07:29 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phone service or now disservice? Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 00:07:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2003 04:07:29.0528 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D7CE780:01C32405] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.149.76.139] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III wrote: > Oh, well. And cellular? If the wire line services fail, they don't work either. I'm glad I have my ham license. I do need to get me a ham ticket! Oh well, if it gets real bad, I could get on 11 Meters (CB Band) with my old "Super bowl" Alligator Radio with about 5KW AM and 8KW PEP, SSB. That radio is like AT&T, It will reach out and touch someone! I should dig that radio out and make sure it still works. LOL It has been 10 or 15 years since I was on the CB. BTW, if you want info on the CB Radio Superbowl go here: www.angelfire.com/nj/earplugger/ We are talking about RFI Hell! Kevin From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon May 26 22:23:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6664 invoked from network); 27 May 2003 05:23:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2003 05:23:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2003 05:23:16 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.12.311bed60 (16930) for ; Tue, 27 May 2003 01:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12.311bed60.2c04503d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 01:23:09 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} John, GIVE UP ON IBOC! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, I worked in commercial radio. And I must tell you, most commercial broadcasters (especially those who work for Clear Channel) are LESS CIVIL than I am. They're just downright anti-social, if you ask me. International regulations require that the L-Band only be used for digital audio broadcasting. The United States Department of Defense is in violation of international regulations by continuing to use this band for telemetry. There is no evidence, to the best of my knowledge, that the FCC ever "grandfathered" this provision. Even if they used this before Eureka 147 was perfected, the FCC should have found new frequencies for the Department of Defense long ago. The use of the L-Band for broadcasting only may have been sanctioned by the ITU, of which the United States, to the best of my knowledge, is a member. IBOC-DAB should never come to pass in this country...it is in the best interests of the United States to keep AM and FM analog only, and force the FCC to find new frequencies for DoD telemetry. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon May 26 22:23:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42296 invoked from network); 27 May 2003 05:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2003 05:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2003 05:23:25 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.1a4.14ff3618 (16930) for ; Tue, 27 May 2003 01:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a4.14ff3618.2c045046@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 01:23:18 EDT Subject: OT: FCC Filing Re: 02-277 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's what I filed on 02-277 (edited for the list): I am writing to comment on the Commission's comprehensive examination of it's rules on multiple ownership of local market radio stations. I strongly believe that the present rules have created an anti-competitive environment in commercial broadcasting that has resulted in the loss of over 11,000 jobs in the last five years, and a switch to unreliable automation systems and voicetracking from very reliable on-air talent. If this continues, in my honest opinion, it would mean the death the commercial broadcast industry from a lack of creativity in programming, lack of acceptance of existing technologies, lack of interest in serving the public, failure to invest in new talent, and the loss of it's remaining listeners. The current rules have raised major barriers to entry, not only in station ownership, but also in broadcast employment. Many stations have been left in the hands of unqualified corporate owners (most notably Clear Channel Communications) run largely by whites. Not enough African-Americans are being encouraged to own a piece of commercial broadcasting's pie; nor are enough Hispanics, Native Americans and Asian-Americans. Arab-Americans are, for the most part, not being encouraged to own commercial broadcast facilities The disabled are totally shut out of station ownership. Not enough viewpoints are presented on our airwaves; nor are there enough sources and outlets for the diverse viewpoints that are in the marketplace. That doesn't stop there. The broadcast workplace continues to be basically a whites-only and able-bodied-only society. During the entire time I was looking for work in commercial broadcasting, the vast majority of people that worked at commercial broadcast outlets were primarily white. I saw very few African-Americans in support positions in commercial radio; Native Americans, Asian-Americans, Arab-Americans, Hispanics and the disabled were basically absent from the commercial broadcast workplace. This translates to a homogeneous (whites-only, able-bodied-only) broadcast workplace which, in my humble opinion, is not in the best interests of the commercial broadcast industry. A homogeneous broadcast workplace also does not foster better relations between commercial broadcasters and the communities they claim to serve. In all my radio station visits to apply for work, I didn't see many facilities adapted for access to workers who, due to a physical disability, are confined to wheelchairs. An inaccessible broadcast workplace also does not foster better community relations on the part of the commercial broadcaster. These stations are operating in violation of the accessibility guidelines, as outlined in the Americans with Disabilities Act. What many stations don't realize is that state and federal government agencies will underwrite up to fifty percent of the cost of adapting the station for wheelchair access under the Americans with Disabilities Act; many stations can receive a tax credit (especially here in Missouri, with a "circuit breaker" tax credit for hiring the disabled now in effect). These stations don't know how much in salaries and taxes they would save by hiring a worker with even a minor disability. The biggest lie of commercial broadcasters is conspicuously placed on their employment applications; their illegitimate claim to be an "equal opportunity employer". How can they be an "equal opportunity employer" when they only offer most of their positions to able-bodied whites? If they won't offer employment opportunities to ethnic minorities and the disabled, then they CANNOT LEGALLY claim to be an "equal opportunity employer". Discrimination on the basis of race is a violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, while discrimination on the basis of disability in employment and accessibility to employment is a clear violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. In other words, commercial radio has become an UNEQUAL opportunity employer. Commercial radio also is a very anti-family business. A number of broadcast workers have had bad experiences in relocating to other markets; often pulling them away from family members and loved ones. A disconcertingly large number of broadcast workers either remain single or have wound up getting divorced at least once. What if this personality doesn't want to relocate from his/her hometown because their families need them? What if that person is married, and doesn't see any logic in risking that particular marriage in the name of career advancement? There's no justifiable need to discriminate against them just because they have the majority of their family members, friends or loved ones living in that market. I strongly believe that homegrown talent (talent born, raised and/or trained for the commercial broadcast business in the market a particular station is in) is just as good, if not better, than the talent many radio stations import from other markets; they're generally less expensive to pay than talent brought in from outside the market. I see no logic in discriminating against homegrown talent. Discrimination against homegrown talent is also discrimination on the basis of orgin; which is illegal under the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Commercial radio needs to be more family-friendly; encouraging marriage and family over singleness, staying close to family and friends over leaving his/her hometown for a town in which they don't know anything about or anyone in, and more pro-family attitudes in hiring. Commercial broadcasters should also be more open to hiring homegrown talent. In other words, they should encourage more radio people to stay in their hometowns if they don't want to try their hand in other markets, and should make hiring homegrown talent more of a priority than bringing in out-of-market talent who don't know anything about the market. On-air policies that favor more homegrown talent should be actively encouraged, not discouraged. Many commercial radio stations do not count non-commercial radio experience as ACTUAL WORK EXPERIENCE. Not counting non-commercial radio experience as actual work experience puts no value on the HARD WORK of radio personalities who have worked hard for many years in non-commercial radio. Not only does not counting non-commercial work experience toward his/her next commercial job negate the value of hard work, but is also ILLEGAL. This policy is indicative of very negative attitudes in commercial broadcast employment. No matter if that person has worked commercially or primarily in non-commercial radio, both types of radio station experience is ACTUAL WORK EXPERIENCE in legal terms. Corporate owners are especially guilty of these negative attitudes against non-commercial broadcast workers, past and present. In the opinion of this displaced commercial broadcast worker, it's HIGH TIME that commercial radio stations be REQUIRED to count non-commercial broadcast experience as actual work experience. I also believe that commercial broadcasters should be required to work with the colleges and universities that own the majority of non-commercial educational radio stations to help place new air talent in their first commercial jobs. Otherwise, commercial stations are cutting themselves off from a huge pool of viable air talent and support personnel. Creativity in programming has also declined. Who wants to listen to Howard Stern proffering female dates to lesbians, doing play-by-play of couples having sexual relations, cutting down ethnic minorities, or outraging the Roman Catholic Church with his "Virgin Mary Kong" skit? Absolutely no one. Who wants to listen to Bubba "The Hate Sponge" (he has no right to be called "The Love Sponge") killing a live animal on the air? Absolutely no one. Sex-driven or bloodthirsty "shock radio" is not the kind of programming that is considered to be creative, nor is it entertaining to the vast majority of American radio listeners. Politically-driven "shock radio", like Rush Limbaugh, may be okay for listeners. Where has all the creativity gone in radio? It's gone to non-commercial educational radio stations. College radio has been the most creative when it comes to radio programming since the commercial broadcast business became virtually unregulated. College and public radio has seen an increase in listenership due to their high quality programming, high standards of creativity, strict adherence to FCC rules (one prime example of strictly adhering to FCC rules can be found at non-commercial KCFV Ferguson, MO, operating at 89.5 MHz), and high production standards. One sad example of commercial broadcasting's inability to deliver high-quality programming occurred on September 11, 2001. Through my monitoring of the radio dial that day, Clear Channel Communications' six St. Louis area radio stations had to rely on other outlets; a result of their decimation of dedicated news operations. Clear Channel-owned stations across the United States had to rely on television networks (such as CNN) for continuing coverage of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon (very likely without permission), as well as the radio networks available to them. An even worse example was at it's Miami stations; they put people on the air that had NO NEWS EXPERIENCE. Clear Channel Communications has persisted in putting on inexperienced air talent instead of air talent that has put in 15 years (like myself) or more in both commercial and non-commercial radio. Overnight programming has basically lost it's personality; these stations are either automated or use voicetracked DJs in this time slot (in violation of Rule 73.1208). Some weekend shifts have gone that route, in addition to a number of weekday airshifts, too. These questionable moves have wiped out many of the "springboard shifts" in which air talent have depended on to build name recognition. In other words, commercial radio is trying to wipe out it's "farm system". Today's anti-competitive environment has encouraged too much corporate ownership of commercial radio stations, and not enough local ownership of these same stations. Further deregulation of the commercial broadcast business, especially radio, would not be in the best interests of the industry or commercial radio's remaining listeners. In fact, further deregulation of commercial radio (as well as television and the rest of commercial media) would lead to a basically totalitarian media system in the United States; similar to that in the People's Republic of China or the former Soviet Union. Many corporate owners are also demanding unrealistic profit margins that are totally unattainable. It's no wonder the majority of the major radio monopolies are still bleeding red ink. I strongly believe that corporate radio station owners have lost the trust and confidence of the radio audience. It's time that the FCC ban ownership of commercial radio stations by corporations (such as Clear Channel Communications) with no real visions for radio as a servant of the public interest, and place these stations in the hands of individuals and companies (like Crawford Broadcasting Company) who have REAL VISION for the commercial radio business; those who believe in commercial radio not only as a business, but as a public service to it's listeners. In other words, I don't think companies like Clear Channel Communications should ever own radio stations again. In addition, I don't think American broadcast owners should own any stations outside North America. Clear Channel Communications, for instance, owns a number of stations outside North America. In my honest opinion, a multitude of owners would be better for the commercial radio business than placing commercial radio in fewer hands, as has been the case since 1996. National ownership of local radio should not be as encouraged as it is currently; more local and regional ownership of local radio should be strictly encouraged. Too many radio stations are attempting to cover entire markets with powers that do not allow them to cover the whole area. One example is KIRL St. Charles, MO. The station is owned by Bronco Broadcasting Company, and operates on 1460 kHz. The station's 5,000-watt daytime power/pattern does not adequately cover the Illinois suburbs during the day; it's 500-watt nighttime array (which is currently off the air) can only cover St. Charles and northern St. Louis County, MO adequately. Yet, it's attempting to serve the entire St. Louis metropolitan area. If I had owned that station, I would be better off serving St. Charles and the northern suburbs of St. Louis than trying to serve the entire market, which the station's signal cannot adequately cover. It's also the same on FM; a Class A signal in a metro area only covers a portion of that area, not the entire metro area. So, a Class A would be better serving that particular part of town than trying to serve a market it cannot adequately cover. Another type of owner that should be encouraged is one who is willing to put on a suburban-oriented format in a large or major market. Sadly, one proven technology has been largely neglected since 1996; AM stereo. The requirement of AM stereo operations on the expanded AM band, between 1610 and 1700 kHz, has kept the number of AM Stereo stations above the 300-station mark. The claim that "AM stereo is dead" is largely bogus; another corporate lie. However, a number of leading broadcasters, largely led by Clear Channel Communications, have dropped this proven technology because of illegitimate claims over the number of receivers (24 million in the marketplace at last check, and the number is slowly increasing) and coverage concerns (AM stereo has NOT been proven to reduce coverage, unlike FM stereo, as corporate broadcasters like Clear Channel Communications and Journal Broadcasting have illegitimately claimed without any technical proof). I also believe that the "AM is dead" claim that commercial broadcasters have claimed for over a quarter of a century is also bogus. I still see potential in AM radio, even for music formats that FM stations refuse to carry. I strongly believe that stereophonic broadcasting-only policies, such as one largely embraced by Crawford Broadcasting Company, is in the best interests of commercial radio. In addition, the AM stereo-only preference in the expanded AM band (1610-1700 kHz) should be extended to the former Class I-A Clears. In other words, AM stations operating with 50,000 watts of power utilizing non-directional antenna systems at all hours should, regardless of format, be required to broadcast in AM stereo. Some of these stations still carry music programming; including WSM Nashville, TN (operating at 650 kHz). Should the AM stereo-only mandate be extended to the former I-A Clears, WGN (720 kHz) Chicago, IL; WJR (760 kHz) Detroit, MI; WBAP (820 kHz) Fort Worth, TX; WLS (890 kHz) Chicago, IL and WPHT (1210 kHz) Philadelphia, PA would already be in compliance. The others should be given a maximum of two years to comply. Instead, broadcasters are testing an unproven technology called In-Band, On-Channel Digital Audio Broadcasting (IBOC-DAB). The results, so far, have been very disappointing. IBOC-DAB is totally incompatible with analog broadcasting; it is an audio version of a fax machine. In other words, all of the five billion receivers in the marketplace would become obsolete if conversion to IBOC-DAB becomes mandatory. Also, a vast majority of smaller and independent broadcasters; mostly on AM but also smaller FM stations, would be forced to leave the air if IBOC-DAB conversion becomes mandatory. Demand for terrestrial DAB is non-existent; just look at Canada and Europe. Listeners in Canada and Europe still listen to local AM and FM stations. And, what's more, the AM and FM bands ARE NOT ALLOCATED anywhere in the world for terrestrial DAB; the L-Band (used for the proven Eureka 147 system in Canada and Europe) has been allocated worldwide for terrestrial DAB. The Pentagon is actually in violation of international regulations by using the L-Band for it's interests, rather than moving to another band to make way for DAB. I strongly believe that DAB should be banned below 1 GHz (1000 MHz). American radio listeners will continue to accept analog broadcasting; so it would be in the best interests of the broadcast industry to keep the AM and FM bands going in it's present, analog form. The only appropriate place for DAB in the United States is on the new satellite services like XM Satellite Radio. One of the worst things I have seen in recent years has been the lack of interest in public service. Clear Channel Communications led the way when, for example, it closed down a charity for less fortunate children at one of it's Chicago stations, WNUA (FM). Infinity Broadcasting's KMOX (AM) has not broadcast an editorial on a subject of importance to it's St. Louis audience, as far as I know, since Rod Zimmerman left as General Manager. One thing in this department that has sickened me is charging non-profit and charitable organizations to air public service announcements on commercial radio stations (once again, Clear Channel Communications led the way). This is actually EXTORTION, which violates local, state and federal laws. PSAs are supposed to be aired FREE OF CHARGE to the non-profit and charitable organization. To top it all off, music-oriented stations are once again receiving financial inducements from record companies to air certain songs on their stations. Clear Channel Communications also leads in the area of acceptance of payola. These days, payola comes in other forms; anyone who doesn't book a concert at a Clear Channel-owned concert venue would have his/her songs yanked off Clear Channel's radio stations in an instant. Accepting payola is considered FRAUD; that's also in violation of local, state and federal laws. No radio station, regardless of size, should EVER accept a dime from record companies to air records on that particular station. As a DJ, I have never accepted one dime from a record company for playing certain songs on the air. How have these rules affected my hometown, St. Louis? Most of the commercial FMs are concentrated in the hands of four owners: Infinity Broadcasting, Clear Channel Communications, Emmis Communications and Bonneville International. Even Radio One owns one FM in the St. Louis market. The only commercial FM that remains independent is KFUO-FM, which operates on 99.1 MHz and is owned by the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. By contrast, the only St. Louis area AMs owned by the major corporate entities are Infinity's KMOX (1120 kHz), Bonneville's WRTH (1430 kHz) and Clear Channel's KATZ (1600 kHz). The remaining AMs are either locally-owned or owned by smaller companies. Seven years ago, St. Louis FM radio stations had such diverse owners as CBS, Zimmer Radio Group, American Radio Systems, Emmis Communications, Heritage Media, Universal Broadcasting Company and Coltre Broadcasting Company (formerly known as Bethalto Broadcasting Company) Just three years ago, St. Louis had seven stations broadcasting in AM stereo (even though one was only doing it at night); today, four stations still broadcast in AM stereo (two are owned by Crawford Broadcasting Company). Most of the stations that promote any semblance of diversity are non-commercial educational radio stations, such as Double Helix Corporation's KDHX (88.1 MHz), or smaller independent broadcasters, such as Norman Broadcasting Company's WGNU (920 kHz). WGNU also presents diverse viewpoints on their talk shows; a rarity in local radio. The commercial radio industry, especially corporate broadcasters, no longer deserve my respect; this comes not only from the perspective of a former broadcast worker, but also from the perspective of a radio listener. It has performed a major public disservice by abandoning me, the listener on Main Street, in favor of satisfying the "suits" on Wall Street. It has abandoned legitimate, "play by the rules" personalities, such as myself, in favor of illegitimate, "break all the rules" personalities like Howard Stern and Bubba "The Hate Sponge". I urge the Commission to ignore the demands of the National Association of Broadcasters, who are not serving the best interests of the commercial radio industry, and totally reregulate the commercial broadcast industry. If a virtually unregulated, hostile, anti-competitive environment is allowed to continue, then commercial radio will lose it's remaining audience. The industry will no longer be attractive to college students considering careers in radio, and, most of all, a continuation of an illegally homogeneous workforce which will ruin the industry. Reregulation of commercial broadcasting may be too late to save my career, but is needed to preserve the careers of other legitimate, "play by the rules" personalities. The illegitimate, "break all the rules" personalities like Stern and Bubba should be taken off the air permanently, and not be allowed to ever return to the airwaves. Commercial radio is in desperate need of cleanup; only reregulation will return sanity and high standards to a once-viable industry. (Note: These comments were filed in February 2002.) 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon May 26 22:23:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85000 invoked from network); 27 May 2003 05:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2003 05:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2003 05:23:28 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.f5.2d540d16 (16930) for ; Tue, 27 May 2003 01:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 01:23:21 EDT Subject: Comments from a station owner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These comments on radio consolidation was forwarded by John Tudenham (W0JRP), a former DJ at KIXZ 940 Amarillo, TX. He worked under the name John Roberts at KIXZ back in the 1960s. These comments are from independent station owner Al Germond, who runs KFRU 1400/KPLA 101.5/KBXR 102.3 in Columbia, MO and KWOS 950/KOQL 106.1 in Jefferson City. Germond is also a broadcast band DXer (AM and FM). The two AMs run News/Talk, KPLA runs Soft AC, KBXR runs Modern AC and KOQL is a CHR station, in direct competition with Zimmer's KTXY 106.9. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------- There's much truth in what you're saying. Radio in the USA has been taken over by Wall Street and the banks who dictate the terms to operators who are bound to their quarterly-report mentality. Stations compete for diminishing revenue streams working around the expanding band of conglomeratized retailers who don't/won't advertise. The gov't was compelled to loosen ownership regs in two stages between 1992-6 so stations would survive in clusters where economies are possible. Advertising schedules are now spread across multiple stations -- both good and bad -- in a buckshot approach to marketing that's mostly determined by ratings. Many of the stations on the air today should be euthanized! Especially those with inadequate/incomplete coverage. For example, why would anyone build a 6kW FM station licensed to Brookline, Mo., and expect it to (a) cover the Greene/Christian MSA (b) be competitive with that limited, perhaps un-upgradable signal/coverage? At least as part of a cluster, it becomes a weak sister ad reps can toss in as a bonus. I suspect many AM stations are being kept alive because of their perceived potential as IBOC outlets. IBOC -- which really stands for in band *OFF* channel is the still unproved digital system the NAB and all the Big Boys have staked their future on if radio is to go digital. So far, IBOC has been recommended for daytime applications only and the inventor is rushing tests aimed at proving it will work at night. Loading up AM's sidebands with digital signals while restricting the analog signal's fidelity -- cutting it in half -- is the prescription for AM's doom but no one so far is willing to challenge NAB and the Big Boys. Back to AM's investors: they hope IBOC works on AM because it would make their standard broadcast signals sound like analog FM and thus be more valuable. But as daytimers? [!] I've yet to see any discussion of this on any midwest message board though I've raised the issue a few times on the NY Radio Message Board. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------- I agree with Al on everything except one thing; the placement of a number of 6 kW signals. One could surely donate the station to a college or public radio network to expand it's reach. Brookline, MO, the town he mentions, is a small town just west of Springfield. I would suppose this would make a good student-run station for Southwest Missouri State University. What we need is more non-commercial educational stations (with or without NPR membership) and more community-oriented radio stations, not corporate-run radio based on failed "economies of scale". 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon May 26 22:42:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23955 invoked from network); 27 May 2003 05:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2003 05:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41007.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2003 05:42:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20030527054223.10828.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.19.124] by web41007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 May 2003 22:42:23 PDT Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 22:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comments from a station owner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Eric, You are a very wise man. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dav259@csiro.au Tue May 27 03:43:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85894 invoked from network); 27 May 2003 10:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2003 10:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2003 10:43:05 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4RAh4713893 for ; Tue, 27 May 2003 20:43:04 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:43:04 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: thanks Amy! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Poor old Davo Downunder has had a bad day today - almost accepting that 3MP may forever (forever doesn't exist!) be in mono. So I thought I'd say something nice. (perhaps a change?) So - here it is ... Amy! Over several years we've had our heros and combatants. We've had Alex and Chris powering our cause. (And JE and others ...) But Amy has given this list a new dynamic and new hope! All power to you Amy - who always talks positively (which is more than I sometimes do). I salute you! Davo Downunder ______________ ... and Eric - keep punching! ... and IBOC John - why don't you buy a widescreen digital TV? - I'm sure you all would be happy together. You could criticise it till the cows come home. (Ooops - I've got one - and like it ... cause it works - not like IBOC). From jim@burgan.net Tue May 27 09:25:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44663 invoked from network); 27 May 2003 16:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2003 16:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2003 16:19:41 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-223-134-248.client.insightbb.com[12.223.134.248]) by sccimhc02.insightbb.com (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030527161940im200adfu9e>; Tue, 27 May 2003 16:19:40 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c3246b$c95494d0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phone service or now disservice? Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:19:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >I do need to get me a ham ticket! Oh well, if it gets real bad, I could get >on 11 Meters (CB Band) with my old "Super bowl" Alligator Radio with about >5KW AM and 8KW PEP, SSB. That radio is like AT&T, It will reach out and >touch someone! I should dig that radio out and make sure it still works. LOL >It has been 10 or 15 years since I was on the CB. I am embarrassed to admit it, but I had one of those alligator radios too. I had a tube-type Robyn driving a 500 watt homemade linear amp. I had the usual beams (horizontal and vertical) plus a ground plane... The only problem... My next door neighbor (who played the organ in her church) had a very expensive Hammond organ in her home. Even when it was turned off, every time I fired up the 500 watter, I blasted through her organ (not to mention all the nearby TVs that got wrecked signals). I didn't get a chance to use it very much, but that sucker sure got out when the skip was rollin'.... OK... I've now posted two off-topic messages.. one to Amymousie of political variety and this one. I promise to get back on topic and shut up now. ---Lurk More On - From dav259@csiro.au Tue May 27 17:50:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90073 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 00:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2003 00:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2003 00:50:31 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4S0oT720829 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 10:50:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:50:29 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: AM IBOC put on hold due to poor audio quality Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 from: http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.radio.broadcasting > Shame on you. Now you've hit upon the reason for IBOC - to > sell equipment and make patent royalties. Keep in mind who is head of the FCC right now, and what the government is trying to do. Why would the government care about improving audio quality on radio or television? They don't. So why are they so forceful in getting things like IBOC and HDTV out as quick as possible? So that everyone will have to buy and purchase new radios and tvs, and make a quick artificially forced boost in the economy on paper. IBOC, just another attempt to get everyone to buy more consumer products and spend spend spend. and ... > I believe WOR is testing IBOC. > > Can anyone hear it? If so what's it sound like? A dog's > breakfast??? Is that like saying "The dog's breakfast will fit in the box, but you might not like the breakfast?" From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 27 17:52:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36134 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 00:52:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2003 00:52:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2003 00:52:46 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-91.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.91]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h4S0qhoF019173 for ; Tue, 27 May 2003 19:52:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004401c2c80c$0f014760$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Wal*Mart $5 Radio Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:02:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No, but if there's enough room inside the case, you could add one of Chris Cuff's decoders and a stereo headphone jack. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > Since that radio, for $5, has such a good tuner, anyone know of > anything for, say, $10 or $15, that is at least that good, only has AM > (Stereo), tunes 530-1700KHz or more with at least 7.5 KHz frequency > response? From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 27 21:18:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39649 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 04:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2003 04:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2003 04:18:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2003 04:18:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 04:18:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: thanks Amy! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2011 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.93 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > Poor old Davo Downunder has had a bad day today - almost accepting that > 3MP may forever (forever doesn't exist!) be in mono. Awww... :( I wish I could grant you a miracle, but I can't. :( > So I thought I'd say something nice. (perhaps a change?) > > So - here it is ... > > Amy! *eeep?* > Over several years we've had our heros and combatants. We've had Alex > and Chris powering our cause. (And JE and others ...) > > But Amy has given this list a new dynamic and new hope! > > All power to you Amy - who always talks positively (which is more than I > sometimes do). > > I salute you! Umm.. *blush* I at least try. I'm no angel, just a mouse in the middle of all this, but I do care about AM stereo, enough that even with the brouhaha that is the AM broadcast band (seemingly hopeless, I admit), but I see AM stereo as something beyond just the AM band (but not counting the AM broadcast band out just yet), and something that all of us should explore in one way or another, whether just listening or experimenting with lesser-known AMS systems. I'm not out to be on top of the AM stereo community, but I try to do my part for it, in as positive way as I can think of, hopefully I'll be able to do more. But I will never stoop so low as to resort to name-calling or other forms of harassment to fuirther my cause- I want to be a positive role model, and encourage others to do things positively for AM stereo. Hopefully my efforts will result in, amongst other things, a diable AM stereo radio that won't rely on limited parts, or can be designed to deal with substitute parts. (Similarly for a transmitter.) I want AM stereo to live beyond the corporate whims. I don't want it to die in total obscurity. I want that knowlege left in the hands of those who will care for it at least for the next century. I give a damn. I hope those who read this do too. For the future, Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 27 21:20:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18517 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 04:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2003 04:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2003 04:20:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2003 04:20:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 04:20:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Wal*Mart $5 Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 528 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.93 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: =snip= > Since that radio, for $5, has such a good tuner, anyone know of > anything for, say, $10 or $15, that is at least that good, only has AM > (Stereo), tunes 530-1700KHz or more with at least 7.5 KHz frequency > response? Maybe not for $5 or $15, but for about $50, someone could probably make a handmade pocket AM stereo radio for you to enjoy-- I'm not sure if Chris Cuff has any of his left, but he might. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue May 27 23:24:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21931 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 06:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2003 06:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2003 06:24:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2003 06:24:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 06:24:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Samson C com 16 Compressor/Limiter Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 958 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.173.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Anyone looking for a great stereo compressor/limiter should look at the Samson C com 16. I picked one up for $99. It emulates the older Optical compressors (like the Urei and the Orban 424's) and yields an obviously compressed sound WITHOUT the harsh pumping and chopping side effects that are well known from DBX and Alesis units. I was able to drive it at a 6:1 ratio with fast attack and release times and it sounded great.. even at very high levels of gain reduction (I had mine up past -12). There is an enhancer circuit that restores any highs that are lost due to aggressive compression. There are factory presets (some of which are quite good) and a mode for manual use. Controls are for Threshold/Attack/Release/Ratio and Output. Ins and Outs are balanced 1/4 inch jacks and there is a switch for +4/-10 operation. I'm going to test it next in an actual AM airchain (between the AGC and a Four band limiter) and see how it does. From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed May 28 11:37:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46368 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 18:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2003 18:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.94) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2003 18:36:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 May 2003 11:36:56 -0700 Received: from 172.149.190.10 by bay7-dav37.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 28 May 2003 18:36:55 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <001601c3246b$c95494d0$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phone service or now disservice? Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:12:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2003 18:36:56.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DA0B410:01C32548] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.149.190.10] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jim Burgan wrote: > I am embarrassed to admit it, but I had one of those alligator radios too. I actually had 3 set-ups: A Galaxy Saturn (Export Model) radio driving a 100 Watt modulator driving a home brew linear made with a pair of 4CX3000 tubes. It would give me 5KW on AM and 8KW PEP. That was feeding a home brew 6 element Yagi. A Browning "Screaming Eagle" driving a Maco 750 for 800 Watts AM into a Moonraker 4 Antenna And the mobile was a President Lincoln (Export) driving a Texas Star DX-750 into a Francis Amazer. The way the FCC has started enforcing the rules again, I wouldnt even THINK about putting stations on the air like that now! How about a nice, tame Cobra 29LTD? > > OK... I've now posted two off-topic messages.. one to Amymousie of political variety and this one. Well, CB radio is AM! LOL Kevin From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed May 28 11:56:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72931 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 18:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2003 18:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2003 18:56:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2003 18:56:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:56:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: some stations received on a Panasonic RQ-SW10.... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5587 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key The links to the "attachments" are at the bottom of the post RQSW10-night-1 KNBR 680 - adjacent channel to 690 (radio gets rotated at end of this segment). Broadcasting a Giants game - hear announcer mention upcoming giants vs padres game, pac bell park. San Francisco station with a poor signal at the time it was recorded. KCBS 740 - San Francisco - fairly strong, as usual. KKOB 770 - Albuquerque, NM - adjacent to 760 KFMB, which broadcasts with 50,000 watts at night approx 7-8 miles N/NW of me. KOA 850 - Denver, CO (adjacent to XEMO 860) KTWO 1030 - Casper, WY (adjacent to KURS 1040) RQSW10-night-2 KCBS 740 - San Francisco, CA - very good signal KGO 810 - San Francisco, CA - fairly good signal. Calls heard on adjacent channel while tuned to 820. May also be able to make out either WBAP Ft Worth on 820, or a mexican station ~ 100 miles E of my location. KXNT 840 - Las Vegas, NV - "AM 840 KXNT." Fairly good signal KOMO 1000 - Seattle, WA - co-channel interference from 250-watt KCEO in Vista, CA playing nostalgia KNX 1070 - Los Angeles, CA - traffic, weather, top of hour ID, and start of CBS News. This one's also fairly strong daytime. KRLD 1080 - Dallas, TX - CBS News KOMA 1520 - Oklahoma City, OK - sports, and ID, and start of a commercial. I think KFBK 1530 Sacramento is guilty of producing the occasional chirps of adjacent channel interference on this one. (Any suggestions on a good portable that would receive this signal at least as good as KCBS, KXNT, or KNX's signal?) The above two linked WAV's were nighttime reception. The ones below are of daytime reception. RQSW10_day_1 KOGO 600 - local station, call heard while briefly tuned to 590 KFI 640 - Los Angeles, CA - call heard while tuned to 630, also on 640. KRLA 870 - somewhere in LA area - faint signal, out from under adjacent channel interference from 860 XEMO KNWZ 970 Coachella and KFWB 980 Los Angeles are barely audible. (Any suggestions on a decent radio that would receive their signals at least as strong as KCBQ, or if not that strong, at least as strong as KFI or XEPRS?) XEPRS 1090 - Rosarito, Baja Calif Norte - Mighty 1090 Sports Talk station - reason signal isn't stronger is cause it's directional and I happen to be in/near one of the nulls I think, even though it's 50,000 watts. KCBQ 1170 - here's an example of how poor the selectivity is on my radio when a 50,000-watt station 5-6 miles away from me has an ERP of approx 200 to 300 kW in my direction. Tuned in steps from tail end of 1140 going up to 1220. There's another station, KSDO, on 1130 which is heard on 1140 (KCBQ is heard under that, but comes to dominance on 1150, continues to 1200 (weird distortion on 1160 and 1180), another station on 1210 (KPRZ San Marcos), then comes back on 1220. Would be heard on 1230 also but I left that one off cause of overpowering adjacent channel interference from KSON 1240. KPOP 1360 - includes 1340 and 1350 adjacent channels RQSW10_day_2 Audio on this one may be distorted/muddy on strong stations cause my radio was turned up too loud XESURF 540 - Tijuana - K-SUrf - call heard on 530, ID on 540 KOGO 600 - Padres play by play, heard from 580 to 620 - fairly long (approx 3 1/2 minutes) XETRA 690 - X-Tra Sports 690 ("and 1150") - transmitting from Baja CA with 77,500 watts - Loose Cannon Talk going into a break, with ID. KSPN 710 - ESPN Radio 710 Los Angeles - traffic, then start of another segment of a sports talk show KBRT 740 - Avalon, CA (Catalina Island S of Long Beach, W of San Clemente (approx) 820 - Mexicali, Baja Calif Norte - faint signal XEMO 860 - Padres baseball in espanol (also on 840 and 850 KRLA 870 - adjacent to 860, weak signal KECR 910 - Family Radio affiliate - also include 900 to 930. KHJ 930 - Los Angeles - weak signal KFWB 980 - Los Angeles - weak signal, sounds like maybe a Dodgers baseball game KURS 1040 - San Diego - 370 watts daytime XED 1050 - Mexicali, BCN - weak signal KNX 1070 - Los Angeles - business hour clip not included, but I can sometimes faintly hear KDIS 1110 Los Angeles out from under fairly severe 2nd adjacent channel signal from KSDO 1130 San Diego. KCBQ 1170 - spreads wide (including 1150 to 1230 (another station on 1210 and 1240 (adjacent heard on 1230 some)). This one's 50kW with an equivalent of 200-300kW toward me, from 6 miles away or so. KSON 1240 - Radio Disney 1250 - not sure if that's a station from Santa Barbara, or still more sideband of KCBQ 1170. KFRN 1280 - Long Beach - weak signal. This one broadcasts in AM Stereo - what would be a good radio that would get a fairly clear signal on this one with the built-in antenna? 1290 - Santa Barbara - very faint 1320 - KKSM Oceanside, if you can hear anything there 1340 - ok.. so it's 2nd adjacent channel 1360 KPOP, but the pulses you hear in the background noise are probably the contributions of AM 1340 in Santa Barbara. 1450 - Escondido, CA (recently reverted back to classical music format). Any ideas on how to get a good signal at night without too much co-channel interference? :) 1490 - the hint that something's there is probably coming either from Calexico or Santa Barbara. KVTA 1520 - barely perceptible from Port Hueneme, CA (if you can hear anything at all) instead of putting attachments on the list, they're going onto my web space... here they are: http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/RQSW10-night-1.mp3 http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/RQSW10-night-2.mp3 http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/RQSW10_day_1.mp3 http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/RQSW10_day_2.mp3 From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed May 28 16:29:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3476 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 23:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2003 23:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2003 23:29:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2003 23:29:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:29:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: repairing Panasonic RQ-SW10 Shockwave (also Sony SRF-42)? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 255 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Another idea I just had about repairing the RQ-SW10 - I also have a Sony SRF-42 that is also not functioning, and is there a way I could possibly use the C-Quam chip from the SRF-42 in the RQ-SW10 (if I get it working) and add AM Stereo to the Panasonic? From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 28 17:44:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12765 invoked from network); 29 May 2003 00:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2003 00:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2003 00:44:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2003 00:44:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:44:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: An improvement.... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 250 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.93 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie An improvement this month over last month, but as this is the 553rd for May, and 10,027th post overall, we still have yet to tie March's 618 posts, but definitely an improvement! Let's hope next month sees even more activity. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed May 28 17:50:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26859 invoked from network); 29 May 2003 00:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2003 00:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (207.169.189.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2003 00:50:39 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy.eds.com [192.85.216.78]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h4T0ob409032 for ; Thu, 29 May 2003 10:50:37 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4T0oYt17841 for ; Thu, 29 May 2003 10:50:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4T0oXr17822 for ; Thu, 29 May 2003 10:50:33 +1000 (EST) Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 29 May 2003 10:50:32 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F46FCA@aubwm206> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Infinity Gold's (AM Stereo) radio's not available in Oz Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:50:32 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 =( -----Original Message----- From: Ben.Bartlett@daimlerchrysler.com [mailto:Ben.Bartlett@daimlerchrysler.com] Sent: Wednesday, 28 May 2003 12:29 PM To: matthew.trim@eds.com Subject: Chrysler Jeep Web Site Feedback Matthew, Thank you for your query via our Chrysler website. Unfortunately the stereo unit you requested is not available in Australia as a spare part. If you require any further information regarding any Chrysler accessories, please contact your nearest authorised dealer. Kind Regards, Ben Bartlett Marketing Coordinator - Accessories Service & Parts Marketing Client Services Division DaimlerChrysler Australia Pacific Telephone: 03-9566-6327 Fax: 03-9561-0709 matthew.trim@eds.com 05/19/2003 02:17 PM Please respond to matthew.trim To: mbox_177_chrysler-jeep-info@wK-COOP cc: Subject: Chrysler Jeep Web Site Feedback DealerCode : 0 DealerName : Title : Mr FirstName :Matthew LastName :Trim Email : matthew.trim@eds.com Current Vehicle Brand? : Holden Car Age (years) : 5 or more Model you are interested in? : Other Brochure :0 Comments :Hi, I am interested in buying an "Infinity Gold" premium cd/cassette player, that is equipped with "AM Stereo" as found in your American Chrysler vehicles. Is this unit available in any of your Australian lineup and can it be purchased as a spare part? Thanks, Matt Note: Please DO NOT Contact Me with future marketing communications, including updates and special offers. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed May 28 17:51:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32910 invoked from network); 29 May 2003 00:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2003 00:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2003 00:51:17 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-65.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.65]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h4T0pEoF007875 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 19:51:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002501c2c8d5$05099ae0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: repairing Panasonic RQ-SW10 Shockwave (also Sony SRF-42)? Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:01:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Two questions for you before you go any further- First, is there any extra room in the Panasonic? Some radios are so compact as to be not worth the effort. Second- how good are you at removing SMT components? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" is there a way I could > possibly use the C-Quam chip from the SRF-42 in the RQ-SW10 (if I get > it working) and add AM Stereo to the Panasonic? > From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed May 28 17:56:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25536 invoked from network); 29 May 2003 00:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2003 00:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2003 00:56:45 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-65.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.65]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h4T0uVoF009543; Wed, 28 May 2003 19:56:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002e01c2c8d5$c24b4fe0$827dfea9@home1> To: , Subject: truly bipartisan Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:06:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was listening to conservative talker Laura Ingraham on my drive home tonight, and she came out against the proposed media consolidation as did conservative monetary commentator Lou Dobbs and another conservative pundit that Laura quoted (whose name I can't remember) who said there's nothing conservative about the concentration of power anywhere. The opposition truly cuts across partisan lines. Now the only question is whether Mr. Powell is listening. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 28 18:27:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39789 invoked from network); 29 May 2003 01:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2003 01:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2003 01:27:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2003 01:27:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 01:27:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: truly bipartisan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002e01c2c8d5$c24b4fe0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1442 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.93 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Well, squeek and ye shall receive. :) Fresh posts! :) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Was listening to conservative talker Laura Ingraham on my drive home tonight, and she came out against the proposed media consolidation as did conservative monetary commentator Lou Dobbs and another conservative pundit that Laura quoted (whose name I can't remember) who said there's nothing conservative about the concentration of power anywhere. The opposition truly cuts across partisan lines. Now the only question is whether Mr. Powell is listening. The question is, are the other two Republican commissioners listening? Yes, it does cross both parties- Fewer opportunities for competition is bad for business, since less money changes hands, so the Republicans have something to be concerned about. For Democrats, like myself, it means the loss of diversity and opportunities for different voices. The only group I can think of that would be happy with the ruling, would be Libertarians, since they would rather see all fields unregulated, and prefer the "let the marketplace decide" approach, since they strongly believe in NO government involvement. I personally believe in both the business and diversity/opportunity aspects of opposition to Docket 02-277-- It should be a field where everyone has an opportunity to make a living in broadcasting, and to be heard. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alfredot@inetarena.com Wed May 28 18:31:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5727 invoked from network); 29 May 2003 01:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2003 01:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2003 01:31:16 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust252.tnt8.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [67.227.229.252]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4T1QlOt007444 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 18:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:29:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: anyone know about Panasonic RQ-SW10 Shockwave (not AM Stereo)? In-Reply-To: <1053872553.1264.76840.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > If that's the case, would it be possible to repair/replace it (on my > own rather than taking it into a shop) or would I be better off trying > to buy another one for $5 on ebay, or if I can find one somewhere, try > to find a Sony WM-GX822 for < $20? If you can get another Panasonic radio for $5, go that route, since the crystal, if you happen to find a suitable replacemnt, will probably cost almost as much when you factor in shipping and handling. Also, many parts suppliers have minimum orders of about $25. Alfredo From alfredot@inetarena.com Wed May 28 19:04:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33688 invoked from network); 29 May 2003 02:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2003 02:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2003 02:04:19 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust99.tnt17.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [65.227.179.99]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4T1xsOt011057 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 18:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:02:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WalMart In-Reply-To: <1053971155.1289.74021.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > those who insist on preserving skywave reception at any cost. Some > other desirable qualities for a broadcast transmission system to have, > in addition to good sound quality, are noise free reception, the > ability to implement features like providing information on the > current programming for display on the receiver, and provision for the > protection of intellectual property rights. I don't mean to sound confrontational (though I will probably sound somewhat ignorant), but is there a pressing issue with the protection of intellectual property rights on the radio? If I'm reading this correctly, you're saying that there are problems with people in the radio audience "bootlegging" copyrighted material on the radio. I haven't seen any documentation anywhere else that says this is the case. Most syndicated programs don't even run copyright notices, though I assume that these shows are protected under copyright laws in the same way that movies, CDs, and even the local evening TV newscasts are. If someone wanted to get musical recordings without paying for them, my guess is that in this day and age, they would try to look for mp3 files on the Internet rather than taping the desired songs off the radio, where the outros will be truncated by segues and the intros will likely be talked over. The capability to send data over the radio sounds cool from an engineer's point of view. However, I think that the underutilization of FM RDS technology amongst American broadcasters shows that text or other data streaming is not part of the business model that American broadcasters embrace. Developing meaningful data content to accompany radio broadcasts takes staff, time, and effort, which in the end translates to additional expense for the broadcaster. From most broadcasters' points of view, it seems that this additional expense is not a good investment in the quest for better ratings. Alfredo From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu May 29 05:53:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53189 invoked from network); 29 May 2003 12:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2003 12:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2003 12:53:08 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-012scfairp0496.dialsprint.net ([63.189.177.242] helo=earthlink.net) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19LMu3-00075l-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 May 2003 05:53:08 -0700 Message-ID: <3ED6032C.80AB4290@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:55:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} An improvement.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I would like to second the complimentary posts about Amy's contributions to the group. Dick W. amymousie wrote: > An improvement this month over last month, but as this is the 553rd > for May, and 10,027th post overall, we still have yet to tie March's > 618 posts, but definitely an improvement! Let's hope next month sees > even more activity. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 29 10:32:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72495 invoked from network); 29 May 2003 17:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2003 17:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2003 17:08:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2003 16:33:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:33:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} An improvement.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3ED6032C.80AB4290@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 269 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.19.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Dick W wrote: > I would like to second the complimentary posts about Amy's contributions to the > group. > Dick W. Thank you, Dick. I do appreciate that, as well as from Downunder Davo (Ian). :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From fanfare@globility.com Thu May 29 11:41:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74856 invoked from network); 29 May 2003 18:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2003 18:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2003 18:17:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2003 17:58:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:58:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT - The Media, deregulation and the news Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 998 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy There is a service on line called Cable Broadcast News. Most of you will know about it. It is a "pay-to-view" news service. It is also one of the services that it appears will benefit from deregulation. If news media is slack in its reporting of events from which it will derive no direct benefit, or perhaps suffer some negative impact, services like these will, for a price, pick up the slack. Although you have to wonder how objective they might be in editorializing when they too are reliant on the media for sustenance. Tbere is a flip side to this as well. Perhaps newspapers will go back to reporting instead of theorizing on events and their impact in a sensationalist way. In any event, if you want to read what Commissioner Adelstein said today, without having to pay for it, here is a good URL; (make sure you pick up the whole address (ends with HTML extension) http://www.statesman.com/business/content/auto/epaper/editions/today/b usiness_e34df82432e9f0b100d0.html MS From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu May 29 12:01:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20960 invoked from network); 29 May 2003 18:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2003 18:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2003 18:44:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 May 2003 11:44:43 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 May 2003 18:44:42 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: FCC's proposal to abdicate their responsibilities to the public Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:44:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2003 18:44:43.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E4EDF80:01C32612] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Time is of the essence in letting our opinions be known in reference to further deregulation of media ownership. Today's Stuart News had a lead editorial, that must have been ghost written by Michael Powell; I have responded and my email to the editor is at the bottom of this email. Letters to the editor are limited to 400 words, so I didn't really get to say everything I wanted. For those of you in Florida, you might want to contact Senator Graham;I just have, his phone number is (202)224-3041, I actually had a live person answer the phone, no voice mail! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ now off to the post office, I had to call (772) 567-xxxx to get an address.(attn Juan). Now my email to the editor; hopefully will encourage others to do the same. Oh and Scott , Michael Powell IS Listening...... not to the public of course, but to ClearChannel, Rupert Murdoch, the NAB and the White House. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I must take issue with your lead editorial of 29 May 2003. While Scripps-Howard and a few other media corporations seem to be truly committed to unbiased news coverage; there are many more corporations that do not feel it necessary to serve the public interest. One can read Bob Betcher's radio columns and see the disgust that many Treasure Coast residents have with corporate radio and this is not just a Treasure Coast issue, radio has gone downhill since the 1996 Telecommunications Act relaxed media ownership.  Now the FCC is wanting to relax the rules even more, abdicating their duty to protect the public interest. Commercial radio frequencies are not infinite, there are only so many frequencies and government control is necessary, which is precisely why the FCC was founded. If anyone caught the news on WQCS or on any public radio station this morning, they may have heard the story about ClearChannel owning 6 out of 8 radio stations in Minot, North Dakota and when there was a civil emergency this past January , a ammonia leak, it took local officials over an hour to reach someone at the radio stations to let them know about the emergency.  Most corporate radio is automated at night, the lights are on, but no one is home; and the public should be able to depend on radio to get local emergency news and other news at any time day or night not just Monday - Friday during the day. I urge radio listeners to contact Representative Mark Foley or Senator Graham and let them know your feelings on whether or not we should encourage just a few corporations to control our public airwaves. donn r tillman p o box 952 st petersburg,fl 33731-0952 _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 29 15:05:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25262 invoked from network); 29 May 2003 22:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2003 22:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2003 22:03:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2003 22:03:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:03:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 824 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics For at least the second day in a row, there is no IBOC signal to be heard from New York City station 710 WOR. They are back to a clean, clear, hash-free analog AM signal, although with the same limited 6 kHz audio bandwidth as they had been using at night since the beginning of their IBOC broadcasts last Fall. However, on both "normal" and "wide-band" AM receivers, WOR's signal now sounds considerably better without the IBOC digital signal in use, with improved loudness and audio quality and a welcome lack of interfering "hash" on and around their signal on the dial. If Mr. Richards or Mr. Ray are still participating in this Forum and reading this, perhaps they can fill us in with some notice if WOR has made the decision to discontinue use of IBOC, or if this is just a temporary technical situation? From michaelj@vcn.com Thu May 29 15:23:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49887 invoked from network); 29 May 2003 22:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2003 22:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2003 22:23:55 -0000 Received: from michaelj (unverified [209.193.86.68]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 29 May 2003 16:23:55 -0600 Message-ID: <003b01c32630$5ea408c0$2256c1d1@mshome.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 710 WOR dumps IBOC Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:19:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd bet they're using their backup because they are doing software and/or hardware upgrades on the main and/or the IBOC exciter and IBOC stuff. With them being the pioneer, I can't imagine them discontinuing it, nor if they HAD discontinued it, I wouldn't imagine that they'd admit to it here and be subject to your (and many many other people's) gloating. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:03 PM Subject: {AMSF} 710 WOR dumps IBOC For at least the second day in a row, there is no IBOC signal to be heard from New York City station 710 WOR. They are back to a clean, clear, hash-free analog AM signal, although with the same limited 6 kHz audio bandwidth as they had been using at night since the beginning of their IBOC broadcasts last Fall. However, on both "normal" and "wide-band" AM receivers, WOR's signal now sounds considerably better without the IBOC digital signal in use, with improved loudness and audio quality and a welcome lack of interfering "hash" on and around their signal on the dial. If Mr. Richards or Mr. Ray are still participating in this Forum and reading this, perhaps they can fill us in with some notice if WOR has made the decision to discontinue use of IBOC, or if this is just a temporary technical situation? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From krichards@wor710.com Thu May 29 17:39:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78492 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 00:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 00:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 00:39:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 00:39:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 00:39:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WOR having HD exciter upgraded Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3616 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 66.47.86.250 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 WOR has been using the same "laboratory" model Ibiquity exciter since we turned on the IBOC. It needed some additional hardware upgrades and bench testing at Ibiquity's lab, so it has been on vacation since last nite. Be back in a day or so, as soon as it's been gone over by our HD friends. We also are getting ready to convert to stereo, so we took this opportunity to rewire the racks in Lyndhurst, complete with a new T1 circuit from Verizon back and forth from 1440 Broadway. Been watching the board, but its kinda the same old stuff, so I can't add anything and I do not think trading insults is worthwhile, which seems to be the case sometimes here. Some people have too much free time on their hands. We have work to do. I will add this...I would not read too much into the recent NRSC announcement regarding IBOC, remember they were hearing a software version that was ancient, and yes it did have issues. The new versions are better, and with the current upgrade our HD signal will be even better. This has not stopped any of the manufacturers plans, and exciters are still being installed in preparation for the radio rollouts in the upcoming months. With XM and Sirius coming on line fast and furious now, HD no matter how good or bad, seems to have touched a nerve in many Broadcaster's minds. So that is why many exciters have been shipped and now everybody is just dying to get their hands on the new radios. This is evidenced by the numerous broadcasters who have turned on the HD signal even though they have no HD radios, sound Familiar? In markets both large and small, if you look at the list, it is amazing where HD radio is now, and where it is going. The good news is Kenwood will be releasing the new HD radios in a few weeks, and Visteon is right behind them, and many stations are now turning on the HD carriers for the first time. So shortly we will finally have some radios to evaluate, especially the Visteon combo HD and C-Quam. I demonstrated the WOR HD radio at our SBE meeting last week, and we were also listening to Blink 102.7. Everyone was quite amazed how in the WOR conference room WOR's HD signal was clean, despite being in the middle of the office building, while all the analog signals were noisy. Remember, everyone is welcome at the SBE meetings, you can bitch and moan here, but to see "it" in operation, touch the dials, hear "it" in operation and discuss the issues with your fellow engineers trying to figure all of this out, is where it's at. These boards are a poor substitution for the real thing. Likewise WNEW's HD signal was pretty good, although they have yet to get a digital path and diversity set up yet, due to airchain issues which they are still working on. The FM HD signal is very transparent and reveals Blink's analog audio issues quite clearly, since they are driving the HD airchain from a backup system temporarily. I think Kevin here wrote something about HD radio's frequency response is only 5khz, WRONG, I can get 12khz right through the HD chain from front to back cleanly on this software load. The oscillator and the VU meters and the ear do not lie on this one.... By the way, the stereo separation on this software load was about 40db on a very quick and not too exacting test...pretty good for anyone trying to get stereo through our limited available bitstream. I thought I would clear up that misconception.... More News when I get closer to WOR's first morning show in Stereo, coming soon..... Thanks, Kerry Richards Chief Engineer WOR-AM Buckley Broadcasting Corporation From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 29 18:19:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92819 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 01:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 01:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 01:19:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 01:19:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 01:19:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR having HD exciter upgraded Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3639 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > We also are getting ready to convert to stereo, so we took this > opportunity to rewire the racks in Lyndhurst, complete with a new > T1 circuit from Verizon back and forth from 1440 Broadway. Hopefully studio upgrades will be forthcoming as well. The level of background noise, hiss, and hum in WOR's audio is often annoyingly high. For whetever reason, sometimes I even hear a "phone line hum" (i.e. multiple harmonics of a 60 Hz hum) on WOR's live in-studio programming, such as the Bob Grant show. > The new versions are better, and with the current upgrade our HD > signal will be even better. Alas, Kerry, you've been saying this for months and months... and at least from what we've been able to hear from it, IBOC/"HD Radio" *still* sounds no better than a Windows Media web-cast on a 28.8K modem! The digital compression artifacts are simply *atrocious*. You say it's already much better than it used to be -- sorry, but that's mule muffins. Anybody with a good set of ears can listen to the "new" and "old" audio samples on WOR's site, and the *only* difference between them is that the "new" ones have some degree of "Stereo" to them. But blend the resulting audio to mono and it sounds *exactly* the same as the "old" IBOC! > Remember, everyone is welcome at the SBE meetings, you can bitch > and moan here, but to see "it" in operation, touch the dials, hear > "it" in operation and discuss the issues with your fellow engineers > trying to figure all of this out, is where it's at. These boards > are a poor substitution for the real thing. Actually, just the opposite is true! When you listen to IBOC "in person" at whatever you have set up over at WOR, you're hearing it with its limitations covered up by the background noise in the room and by whatever speakers you're using. Just the noise of a single cooling fan running in a room can disguise a lot of the defects in an audio source that would otherwise be clearly noticeable in a controlled environment, such as using a good set of closed-ear headphones in a quiet room in one's home, as people who download your IBOC audio samples can arrange. So, yes, in a noisy transmitter room or conference room, IBOC might sound "okay"... but if it can't sound equally "okay" in a whisper- quiet living room using true high fidelity audio reproduction, then what good is it? > I think Kevin here wrote something about HD radio's frequency > response is only 5khz, WRONG, I can get 12khz right through the HD > chain from front to back cleanly on this software load. The > oscillator and the VU meters and the ear do not lie on this one.... I was talking about ACCURATE frequency response, not digitally synthesized "spectral replication". At least in its current form, AM IBOC only has accurate frequency response up to about 4.2 kHz. Above that point, everything is very synthetic and artificial-sounding, due to the digital techniques used. > By the way, the stereo separation on this software load was about > 40db on a very quick and not too exacting test...pretty good for > anyone trying to get stereo through our limited available > bitstream. Yes, but the Stereo separation is chopped off at that same 4.2 kHz limit. Above that point, IBOC is MONO! And even 32 kbps RealAudio can do full Stereo separation up to 13.8 kHz, so IBOC's "PAC" system is clearly inferior. And if AM IBOC could sound at least as good as 32 kbps RealAudio, I wouldn't be complaining so much. I've listened to BBC Radio 2's web-cast through this format and I think it sounds great for that low of a bit-rate... but IBOC doesn't! From krichards@wor710.com Thu May 29 19:09:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93850 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 02:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 02:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 02:09:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 02:09:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 02:09:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Note on Kevin and his comments Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 66.47.86.250 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Here we go again... Everyone should know that Kevin Tekel who runs this board is not a professional engineer, has never been to WOR or an SBE meeting. Yet he makes claims like "noisy room" etc, which are grossly innaccurate. I cannot concieve how you (Kevin Tekel)continue to make up all of your details about IBOC, C-Quam and AM Stereo yet you have no professional experience in the operation or installation of any of this equipment. Until such time that you care to gain this experience, come to an SBE meeting, see and hear the new HD Radio in person in operation, how can any of your claims be valid? The plain fact is the new AM Stereo system that is now going into operation is the HD radio scheme. Whether you like it or not, and there are several hundred Broadcasters big and small who have invested considerable time, money, and faith in this new AM Stereo system. Yet you Kevin Tekel, a self proclaimed AM Stereo "expert" continue to trash, make up false data, and continue to promote an older technology which is dying a slow death. Furthermore, you make claims and statements about WOR, IBOC, the equipment and the people who operate this new technology, which are false. In your mind the HD demo at last weeks SBE meeting was in a noisy room, try telling that to the forty engineers that were there. Were you there? Everybody see what I'm talking about? If you were really into AM Stereo as you claim, you would at least have made a minor effort to get to an HD demo to see how it works and hear it for yourself, and talk to the other engineering professionals who are trying to come to terms with the current state of commercial broadcasting from a technical standpoint. Therefore any comments you make carry little or no value from a technical standpoint, and therefore can be considered a poor form of entertainment for those who waste time thinking they have some real, logical, or truth to them, which clearly they do not. If you want to express your opinions that is one thing, but to dispute the technical issues from your point of view is illogical, since you have NO practical experience, and are not a professional engineer, and do not work for any Radio station, and more importantly have never operated the HD radio scheme anywhere in the world. Those that read this board should keep an open mind about AM Stereo, be it C-Quam, or HD or Kahn or two tin cans and a string. Clearly Kevin Tekel has already made up his mind and those readers here I'm sure can clearly see this. Need I say more? I'm excited by this new technology, just like I was about C-Quam when I installed it, I've kept an open mind about it and talked freely how it works. What have I done to be trashed and insulted by the SYSOP of this Forum? This situation alone pretty much describes Kevin Tekel's point of view, and perhaps should be brought to the attention of Yahoo. The very fact that professional engineers take the time to even answer some of Kevin's questions here, and respond to his made up technical ideas is crazy. I answered his recent post because I know several other engineers wanted to know what we were up to, and why we shut off the HD scheme for a few days. Despite the fact I had a pretty good idea we were being "as usual" stalked by Kevin Tekel, which seems to be his full time occupation. Thanks, Kerry..... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 29 20:40:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58138 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 03:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 03:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 03:40:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 03:40:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 03:40:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Note on Kevin and his comments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 801 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This situation alone pretty much describes Kevin Tekel's point of > view, and perhaps should be brought to the attention of Yahoo. All I have to say is that if IBOC can't stand up to the criticism of its skeptics, then it is surely not worthy of consideration for full-fledged use. And it should be noted that Mr. Richards' sweeping dismissal of my technical comments illustrates the fact that iBiquity and its proponents cannot justify or even make excuses for their IBOC system on any kind of detailed basis. When technical concerns are met with a response of "you just have to hear it in person", that definitely is an indication of a large inadequacy on their behalf. That kind of response didn't fly for Motorola, nor for Kahn... now why should we accept it from IBOC? Kevin T. From w6yn@juno.com Thu May 29 20:43:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25991 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 03:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 03:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 03:43:53 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCeom1luh0WALT+uBsVnnlKQ=">; Thu, 29 May 2003 23:43:34 EDT Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HZD9NXB4; Thu, 29 May 2003 23:43:34 EDT To: amstereo@topica.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:40:39 -0700 Subject: Re: (AM Stereo) truly bipartisan Message-ID: <20030529.204040.712.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,14-15,20-21,25-32,34-87 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: W6YN Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn What I see being overlooked is "What does the public want?" The business of broadcasting doesn't exist for the employees or other interests. The public determines what goes on and stays on the air. I worked in the LA radio market from the 1950's through the '70s. Of course those stations are now Mexican programming. Almost all broadcasting in the area is now some niche formula. But I digress...The public doesn't care who owns the stations - they will listen to what interests them. The market is expanding with satellite programming ( XM and Sirius ) and Dish Network audio services etc. I, as a listener have hundreds of choices and all of the providers are trying to entice me to be the commodity that they will sell to advertisers. Sure I feel nostalgia for the mom and pop studio/transmitter sites that I pass on the highway. Those were fun days. Just like the job I had attending an AM transmitter as I built amateur radio equipment in the maintenance shop in between the half hourly transmitter meter readings. What a racket! I loved it! Anyway - Times change and just as no one is tending that transmitter any more so have many other things also changed. The changes they are a coming. The public doesn't care as long as they can find the programming that interests them. Ever notice that hardly anyone listens to NPR or PBS compared to the balance of the offerings? Remember - I was just a few years ago when AMers were going dark with owners walking away from them. Now they are hot items all because of government getting out of programming issues (That silly "fairness doctrine"). Thanks for letting me ramble. 73, Don On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:44:07 -0600 Scott Todd writes: > Interesting point, Don, but I think you're comparing apples to > oranges. > That was *network* radio and TV. There was plenty of local > ownership as the > networks themselves only owned a few flagship stations and > affiliates could > often arrange their schedules to their needs or desires. As an > affiliate > they knew they'd end up taking so much programming, but they weren't > beholden to them 24/7. Usually there had to be someone there to run > the > local spots, too, so if any other sort of emergency came along there > would > be someone there to break in with an announcement. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "W6YN Don Milbury" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: (AM Stereo) truly bipartisan > > > > Gee - No one seemed concerned when ALL network broadcasting was > in the > > hands of NBC, ABC and CBS. > > Now they have a small piece of the total pie. > > The conservative position would be for less meddling by government > unless > > there is a clear problem. I don't see a problem at this time. > > > > 73, Don > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:06:29 -0600 Scott Todd > > writes: > > > Was listening to conservative talker Laura Ingraham on my drive > home > > > tonight, and she came out against the proposed media > consolidation > > > as did conservative monetary commentator Lou Dobbs and another > > > conservative pundit that Laura quoted (whose name I can't > remember) > > > who said there's nothing conservative about the concentration of > > > power anywhere. The opposition truly cuts across partisan > lines. > > > Now the only question is whether Mr. Powell is listening. > > > > > > Scott Todd From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu May 29 20:54:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90649 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 03:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 03:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 03:54:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 03:54:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 03:54:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR having HD exciter upgraded Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2351 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.206 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" < krichards@w...> wrote: > > I think Kevin here wrote something about HD radio's frequency > response is only 5khz, WRONG, I can get 12khz right through the HD > chain from front to back cleanly on this software load. The > oscillator and the VU meters and the ear do not lie on this one.... > By the way, the stereo separation on this software load was about > 40db on a very quick and not too exacting test...pretty good for > anyone trying to get stereo through our limited available bitstream. Just to be fair, I think it is worth noting that Perceptual Coders, which is what I assume HD Radio's PAC is, are typically capable of delivering ruler flat frequency response right up to their upper frequency limit, with vanishingly low distortion, and excellent stereo separation, when tested with single tones. A much more complex test signal is needed to truly stress a Perceptual Coder. As far as separation goes, although it seems to be a given on this board that large separation numbers are necessary for good AM stereo, I think stereo separation is greatly overrated as a quality metric, and much lower separation will provide excellent stereo reproduction. It is interesting that you say you were able to pass "12khz right through the HD chain from front to back", this seems inconsistent with Kevin's claims about the use of "digitally synthesized 'spectral replication'" in the AM IBOC system. Kevin hasn't explained what "spectral replication" is, or how it is used in AM IBOC, so I have to assume that it is used to synthesize missing highs in the receiver, that are not actually transmitted. If this were the case, would the transmitter even pass high frequencies like 12 kHz? I guess it might when presented with simple test signals like a continuous 12 kHz tone, but what about lower frequency test signals, why doesn't the "spectral replication" appear as distortion when doing single tone testing? Does the coder have the ability to turn off the "spectral replication" in the receiver when a simple test signal is being transmitted and reproduced? There are a lot of questions about this "spectral replication" that need answering. Kevin, can you point us to any sources of information on the use of "spectral replication" in PAC? John From dav259@csiro.au Thu May 29 21:23:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71365 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 04:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 04:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 04:23:22 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4U4NL703908 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 14:23:21 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:23:21 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR having HD exciter upgraded In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 30 May 2003, Kerry Richards wrote: > The good news is Kenwood will be releasing the new HD radios in a few > weeks, and Visteon is right behind them, and many stations are now > turning on the HD carriers for the first time. So shortly we will > finally have some radios to evaluate, especially the Visteon combo HD > and C-Quam. Finally more C-Quam radios available!!! :) What types of radios are Visteon gonna put on the market? This combo idea is great. In some markets we may end up with IBOC stations fighting it out with Q-Quam stations. And the winner will be ... [watch this space] (Eric - insert your prediction here.) From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu May 29 21:27:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79205 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 04:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 04:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 04:27:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 04:27:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 04:27:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Note on Kevin and his comments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2219 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 128.200.251.94 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > Everyone should know that Kevin Tekel who runs this board is not a > professional engineer, has never been to WOR or an SBE meeting. I am not a professional engineer. I collect records and CDs. I have a nice stereo. I've been trained as an audio engineer (recording studio operation, basically) and as a radio producer and on-air guy, but haven't done much of that in the past decade. Still, I hope my opinions are not going to be summarily dismissed like Kevin's were. The files that have been posted on WOR's website sound horrid, and I would never listen to a radio that was spitting out such hash. To me, the sound resembles a mismatched woofer and tweeter. The woofer is doing OK, but the tweeter is spitting out a nasty, distorted, hashed-up version of what's supposed to be the audio. There seems to be a gap in the middle range where there is no frequency response to speak of. I'm sure WOR or Ibiquity have some technical evidence that this is not true, but I'm afraid my ears don't care about that. It almost sounds like two different audio sources going at once--perhaps a large boombox with the bass up and a tiny AM transistor job with half-dead batteries and the volume turned up to maximum. It's not just inaccurate, it is extremely UNPLEASANT, and if I ever do get an HD radio, I will be listening to the limited bandwidth analog AM rather than the HD. I know there are radio engineers and other folks working very hard on this technology, and they do not like hearing it ripped apart by people like me, but they're just going to have to get over it. They are about to do something bad to AM radio, and I'm very unhappy about it. I hope the codec IS improved to the point where I can tolerate it. I pride myself on my fairness. When you post files to your site that indicate that it IS "getting there," I'll be the very first to come on this board to announce your victory. But all the evidence I have right now--which is the evidence on WOR's website--is that you have a VERY, VERY long way to go. It is not close. It is not in the ballpark. It is unacceptible. And it is with a great sense of relief that I find the NRSC agrees with me. narkspud From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Thu May 29 22:37:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58292 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 05:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 05:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 05:37:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 05:37:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 05:37:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Note on Kevin and his comments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 904 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.98.169 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: Kerry, I sure hope what was demonstrated at the SBE meeting last month was better than what was heard at NAB in April. If what was heard at the SBE meeting was no different, I must disagree with you. One of my engineering colleagues went back three times to the iBiquity booth trying to convince himself that this sounded good. He was left shaking his head. I think everyone is putting too much stock in trying to compete with other mediums. Garbage programming is still garbage no matter what you pump it thru. Yet we have the FCC ready to really stick a fork in the industry on June 2 and pile the garbage higher. We have consultants and programmers who have no idea how to format radio stations and radio wonders why people are tuning out? It's not the technology, it's the morons programming it. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu May 29 22:50:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83183 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 05:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 05:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 05:50:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 05:50:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 05:50:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Note on Kevin and his comments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1466 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > This situation alone pretty much describes Kevin Tekel's point of > > view, and perhaps should be brought to the attention of Yahoo. > > All I have to say is that if IBOC can't stand up to the criticism of > its skeptics, then it is surely not worthy of consideration for > full-fledged use. More accurately, that if it cannot stand up to criticism by its PEERS, it is not ready for full use. > And it should be noted that Mr. Richards' sweeping dismissal of my > technical comments illustrates the fact that iBiquity and its > proponents cannot justify or even make excuses for their IBOC system > on any kind of detailed basis. When technical concerns are met with > a response of "you just have to hear it in person", that definitely > is an indication of a large inadequacy on their behalf. That kind of > response didn't fly for Motorola, nor for Kahn... now why should we > accept it from IBOC? And everything I've heard from broadcasting peers who have heard it demoed recently, under PRESENT (not old) software and PRESENT *not old) codecs have voiced their dismay. Even the NAB is pulling back at this time. Otherwise, I'm staying out of this squabble, and concentrate on why I'm here in the first place: AM stereo....... (And a mild diversion into Macromedia Flash-based clocks, especially some UK/Ireland TV clock reproductions.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner1@mac.com Thu May 29 22:59:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97724 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 05:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 05:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 05:59:45 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030530055944.BGKC11297.fed1mtao02.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 01:59:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:59:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: AM Radio Kit To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Anyone ever build one of these? Are they adaptable for stereo? Seems you could make a nice mini-AM stereo receiver, and perhaps even add an amp and speakers. http://www.gatewayelex.com/kits16.htm#KIT273 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 29 23:32:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30847 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 06:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 06:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 06:32:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 06:32:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 06:32:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Spectal Band Replication Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1147 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kevin, can you point us to any sources of information on the use of > "spectral replication" in PAC? Read up on RCA/Thomson's "MP3Pro" format. Just like IBOC, it uses "Spectral Band Replication" ("SBR") in order to reproduce the high treble frequencies, usually of 8 kHz and above. The European DRM system also uses SBR to handle the high treble, above 5 kHz or so. As I have said, SBR works by synthesizing the high frequencies based on harmonics of the lower frequencies which it does encode fully. However, it also includes a low-bitrate data stream (4 kbps or less) to help it correctly "guess" these treble frequencies more accurately. This is mostly in order to handle high treble sound effects that do not have any part of their sound occuring below the SBR's cut-off frequency, such as tambourine rasps, crystal chimes, and the like. However, as you might imagine, it can easily use this function to help it reproduce test tones accurately, thereby allowing it to pass conventional frequency response tests without revealing the sonic limitations of the SBR system that become apparent with normal voice and music. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 29 23:45:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57228 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 06:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 06:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 06:45:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 06:43:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 06:43:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Radio Kit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Anyone ever build one of these? Are they adaptable for stereo? > Seems you could make a nice mini-AM stereo receiver, and perhaps > even add an amp and speakers. That looks like a miniaturized version of the classic transistor AM radio kit. It mentions having a "tuned RF" front end, and makes no mention of it being a "superhererodyne" type of receiver, in which case unfortunately it cannot be converted to AM Stereo since there is no IF signal for the AM Stereo decoder to use. From rwagoner1@mac.com Fri May 30 00:20:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97513 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 07:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 07:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 07:20:14 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030530072010.CZSG25083.fed1mtao08.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 03:20:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 00:20:11 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Insults/Ignorance from John Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <26B99E78-926F-11D7-9681-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Considering that I have covered IBOC extensively in my radio column since it began development, I have read every story that has appeared in Radio World, I have interviewed numerous people involved in its development as well as excellent engineers who may not be involved but who are extremely knowledgeable about the system, and I was once a huge supporter of IBOC -- until I heard actual samples -- I can honestly state that you don't know what you are talking about. You, John, are obviously jumping to conclusions when it comes to what I think of anything new and what I understand. The FACT is that IBOC's main purpose was to improve sound quality. SECONDARY effects are those you mentioned. Explain to me what difference any of the secondary effects -- RDS, "noise-free" reception, etc., make if no one can stand to listen to the primary program due to really, really crappy sound quality? Unless your hearing is very bad, there is no way you can honestly state that IBOC AM sounds good. Or even fair. Richard On Sunday, May 25, 2003, at 11:31 AM, bta_50g wrote: > I think Richard is overreacting as a result of his dislike for > anything new, or anything he doesn't understand. He obviously hasn't > read any of the old papers that discuss the goals of the IBOC digital > transmission system. From rwagoner1@mac.com Fri May 30 00:47:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6133 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 07:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 07:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 07:47:04 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030530074704.BHIW18769.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 03:47:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 00:46:58 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Apology, Kind of, to John Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <26B99E78-926F-11D7-9681-0005021D3C76@mac.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner After reading what I wrote, I realize the tone of my recent post was somewhat inappropriate. I do not wish to start a war, but I don't like being told that I "dislike anything new or anything that I don't understand." Especially since I do understand. I have understood since the days of USA Digital when I spoke with some of the lead engineers that the primary focus of IBOC AM was to bring "FM-like sound quality" to AM (and I consider "noise-free" part of sound quality improvement; my Carver tuner receives virtually noise-free AM through its special noise reduction circuits, helping it's sound quality to be better than other AM tuners). Back then, in fact, it was thought impossible to have RDS-type systems on the AM IBOC system. It does appear that secondary effects have become more important than sound quality now that samples show how bad IBOC sounds ... keeping in mind that I have never heard it in person, just on the WOR site. And to show that my mind is still open, I have to say that I don't think WOR would commit to so much IBOC testing if the management and engineering staff didn't believe in it. Unless you believe in IBOC conspiracies So, John, I am sorry f my reply was harsh, and I am sorry that you feel you had to insult me because you disagree with my position. Richard From dav259@csiro.au Fri May 30 02:16:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10249 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 09:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 09:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 09:16:53 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4U9Gp716965 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 19:16:51 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 19:16:51 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} Apology, Kind of, to John In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 30 May 2003, Richard Wagoner wrote: > So, John, I am sorry my reply was harsh, and I am sorry that you feel > you had to insult me because you disagree with my position. Richard - you are a very reasonable man - and have nothing to apologies for. Frankly from an Oz perspective I'm jealous - and wish IBOC (or anything!) was being tested here. I love radio - and would support any system that makes it sound better. I enjoy talk radio as much as music radio and can totally understand why WOR is testing IBOC. And I applaud them for doing it. If IBOC worked I'd be the first to start replacing heaps of radios. Even if it was being tested here I'd buy a receiver and enjoy listening to "the experience" - good or bad - just to keep my oar in the water. I think our AMS situation is in a slow decline. But if Aussies could start purchasing AMS radios (as in the Visteon IBOC combo) I could rally the cause here much better. It's hard to promote AMS - then say to someone who wants it that you can't buy a receiver at the moment. Well done Richard! And keep writing your radio column. It's a shame that most US dailies don't see fit to have a weekly radio column. And Donn - what a good post! If that doesn't rally the troups nothing will. To those of you who can't be bothered trying to raise your concerns by contacting your local members and newspapers about the FCC's proposed liberalisation just don't complain after you hear the affect and its consequences. I also can't understand why many of you aren't lobbying on the alt.radio.broadcasting and rec.radio.broadcasting newsgroups. This is not an AMS issue - it's something that every "radiophile" in the US should be concerned about. If you're simply too lazy to do anything more constructive why not at least start a thread on all of this? And IBOC John - have a good day. Don't forget your minidisk player. Ian Melbourne From dav259@csiro.au Fri May 30 03:49:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97366 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 10:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 10:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 10:49:43 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4UAnf720620 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 20:49:41 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 20:49:41 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Someone left the cake out in the rain Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Hey ... just when you think MacArthur Park has gone to God Magic 693 plays it in its "60s at Seven" show. It's now "Six O'ClocK Rock" on Magic at six o'clock - using Johnny O'Keiff's (JOK) local hit of the same name. JOK was our Elvis Presley - and died similarly early in similar circumstances. Then it's "60's at Seven" - followed by "Your Hit Parade" which I wont go into now. MacArthur's Park is melting in the dark All the sweet, green icing flowing down... Someone left the cake out in the rain I don't think that I can take it 'cause it took so long to bake it And I'll never have that recipe again Oh, no! Crikey! They don't write lyrics like that anymore. And Magic played it in massive stereo! - something we didn't hear on radio at the time. The very knowledgeable Bill Howie said it's strange that this famous hit is called MacArthur Park when Richard Harris actually sings MacArthurs Park. Since 1968 I'd never noticed this. We are blessed in Melbourne at the moment with Magic 693. But Easy Music 3MP seems gone. Can anyone shead any light on who actually wrote MacArthur Park - and who conducted the orchestra? In my life my first hearing of it was a defining moment of sorts. I was hooked and loved the huge orchestra. Someone left the cake out in the rain ... Ian St. Kilda Beach From krichards@wor710.com Fri May 30 04:46:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24626 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 11:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 11:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 11:46:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 11:46:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:46:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Criticisim? No Problem.... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2475 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 66.47.86.250 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 IBOC has it's critic's, so does C-Quam, so does everything else in our universe. But I think we need to consider the source when trying to communicate. I have taken a lot of heat here, but I can well understand why. In most cases I have answered the questions, kept an OPEN mind, and tried to explain as best I could. When I get a complaint or critique from someone like Neal Newman, or Mr. Mouse, or WGIL Radio here...I take them quite seriously because they eminate from a fellow Professional engineer, who has some modicum of experience and more than likely a good idea of what the real issues are. Some of this discourse is in fact enjoyable, and good for getting other points of view. But when those who clearly do not get it, and only want to annoy or cloud the technical issues or take a poke at an issue where they have in fact no idea what in the world they are talking about, who has the time to waste on this kind of thing? I have repeatedly said here any audio sample on a web page is not an accurate representation of what is actually happening. On the other hand not everyone is here in NYC, and cannot come out to hear and see this new emerging technology. That's why we have those samples, they are not for any audiophile's use as a comparison to any other audio. We have reached out to everyone interested in AM Stereo numerous times, invited them to WOR and the SBE demos, tours and meetings etc etc. If you are in Toledo, I can understand your inability to come in a timely fashion, but it seems we have a situation where one of the major so called "AM Stereo Expert" is 1/2 hour away from the WOR transmitter complex, but continues to complain, tells of its problems, make technical accusations, and generally has no idea of what is happening in any real broadcast environment, do we take his comments seriously? Somehow this expert does have time to go to hamfests and radio shows where according to reports we heard was trying to show some small AM Stereo demonstration, which has no real effect in any broadcast environment, and amounts to nothing more than a toy. I do not have time to play with toys, I have come a long way since I had my first radio station in the basement when I was a kid, but some folks never grow up or come up out of the basement, as is clearly the case in point here. Get my point? It is not my loss, since I am not keeping my head in the ground like a stubborn ostrich. Kerry..... From fanfare@globility.com Fri May 30 04:58:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94625 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 11:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 11:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 11:58:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 11:58:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:58:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Apology, Kind of, to John Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2950 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.141 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: I do not wish to start a war, but I don't like > being told that I "dislike anything new or anything that I don't > understand." Especially since I do understand. I have understood since > the days of USA Digital when I spoke with some of the lead engineers > that the primary focus of IBOC AM was to bring "FM-like sound quality" > to AM (and I consider "noise-free" part of sound quality improvement; > It does appear that secondary > effects have become more important than sound quality now that samples > show how bad IBOC sounds ... keeping in mind that I have never heard it > in person, just on the WOR site. > IMO, Richard, you've hit the proverbial nail on the head when you mention "effects". Having witnessed radio when it was for real in the 50's and 60's. Right through the through the Elvis and the Beatles era it was awesome. Radio really was a big a part of everyone's life. Yes, TV took it's toll, but when the tellie was off, the radio was on. People like company and radio was, and still is, just that. It was also a time when musicians and vocalists had to trade on their talent. It was a wonderful era because you always got to hear the real deal. Unfortunately, beginning in the latter 60's, solid state took a humungous leap and high powered amplifiers became the rage. With that music underwent a similar change where "loudness" began to take over from the talent side of music and began to concentrate on its effect. At that point a lot of garage groups began springing up, many of them musically bereft of talent, but quite adept with flashy guitar licks and fuzzbox techniques that finally peaked with heavy metal. So what's my point, you ask. I think it all depends what you are born into. I was born listening to the likes of Frank Sinatra, and big bands that delighted your every sense. You could sing the songs then because you could hear the words. As time progressed, the predominant instruments became the guitar, bass, a kick drum and a 1/2 ton of amplifiers and speakers. However, regardless of what was popular when you were a kid, that was your music. What else was there. Radio continues to do what radio does best. It reflects what it thinks is its listener's values at the time. Some get it right, some don't. As Richard says, "effect" seems still to be more important. So, in the absence of music appreciation we get "loudness". While the emergence of Country has tempered the "effect" somewhat, we won't go anywhere in appreciating the true value of radio until it stops spinning the bottle on format and sound quality and begins to take a stand on what's really good for their listeners. If glue was invented to stick things together, why then do some people inhale it? Some might say "Because they like it." Our problem is that too many condone it. MS From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri May 30 06:03:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52687 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 13:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 13:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 13:03:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 13:03:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:03:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC rave reviews Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 7298 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Since apparently we non-broadcast engineers [both inside and outside=20 New Jersey] just don't know what we are talking about and should not=20 be playing with our toys in the basement, may I remind Kerry that if=20 nobody ever played with toys in their basement, or their garage,=20 workshop, lab - whatever - innovation as we know it would cease. I=20 suspect that the germ of the idea for IBOC did commence in someone's=20 basement, while someone was playing with their "toys". Non-broadcast engineer that I am, I can understand that an AM=20 station makes its money in its 25mv/m, 15 mv/m and cross your=20 fingers, its 5 mv/m contours. Human created noise has virtually=20 pounded the once proud 0.5 mv/m contour into oblivion. Of course=20 there are my fellow DXers, for which the 0.5 mv/m contour is a=20 pounding signal, or for our less technically inclined cousins, who=20 drag out a sensitive radio to listen to that far away ball game.=20=20 Here in Canada, the AM band is being cleared - just for what we=20 don't know - as virtually everything moves to FM while DAB putts=20 along, making AM Stereo look like a major success story by=20 contrast. An entry level AM Stereo radio never cost $300.00. Mention AM IBOC to a broadcast engineer in Canada, and you just may=20 hear peals of laughter. In basement theory, it is a neat=20 idea. It certainly could work nicely in practice, but oops, first=20 you have to eliminate skywave. I suspect you may hear peals of=20 laughter from broadcast engineers in the United States, when the=20 topic of L-Band Eureka 147 comes up, unless of course a 15 mile=20 radius coverage area is impressive to you. The fact of the matter is that while Kevin T., Chris, myself and=20 many others on this list are working in our basements, Tom and Kerry=20 are also working a few floors up from the basement to do the same=20 thing - make improvements to technology. If IBOC on AM is ever=20 perfected and its alleged problems rectified it won't be because=20 some bean counters at iBiquity=20 made some big discovery. It will be because Kerry or Tom or others=20 like them, applying the same principles of experimentation and=20 development honed in the basement, took the reported mess that is=20 IBOC and=20 ironed the bugs out of it. So Kerry, don't go trashing us just=20 because we are not broadcast engineers. We may not have the=20 knowledge to fully tune a multi tower array to perfection, but we do=20 know the sound of distortion, digital artifacts and unacceptable=20 interference when we here it. I have never heard IBOC, either=20 through an IBOC receiver, or its alleged effects on analogue=20 receivers. I can't pick up 710 WOR because I'm smack dab in the=20 middle of 720 CHTN's saturation zone - watching their carrier=20 dancing on my oscilloscope located - you guessed it - in my=20 basement. Therfore I can't claim that IBOC trashes the band. I can=20 only refer to its reported or alleged difficulties. Soon I'll likely=20 hear it for myself, and then I'll decide. In the meanwhile, its=20 alleged effects have been well reported, both inside and outside=20 this forum.=20 But since I don't have my P Eng specialized in broadcast=20 communications, my opinion based on broadcasting, marketing, law and=20 mere electronic tinkering simply don't count. I'll let the=20 journalists take over here: Broadcast DXing The FCC Gets An Earful by Bruce Conti =20 =20 Low-Power FM (LPFM) radio, In-Band On Channel (IBOC) digital, and=20 broadcast ownership rules have the FCC under quite a barrage. Here's=20 a roundup of the=20 latest activity. An LPFM Alternative=97A New Broadcast Band? LPFM radio lost much of its potential after the National Association=20 of Broadcasters (NAB) and National Public Radio (NPR) pushed the FCC=20 into requiring that LPFM stations meet the same adjacent channel=20 interference criteria as high-power commercial FM broadcasters. At=20 power levels of 10 to 100 watts, initially LPFM radio stations were=20 only required to protect stations on second adjacent frequencies.=20 Higher power broadcast stations are required to protect out to the=20 third adjacent channel. The change in LPFM rules enforcing third adjacent channel protection=20 significantly reduced the number of available frequencies for new=20 LPFM stations, especially in urban areas where the FM broadcast band=20 is overcrowded. In addition, the effectiveness of LPFM is expected=20 to be further reduced by interference from IBOC digital. The Citizens Broadcast Band Discussion Group (CBBDG) has petitioned=20 the FCC for a Notice of Inquiry regarding the establishment of a new=20 broadcast band, essentially to provide access to broadcasting where=20 the watered-down LPFM has failed. The petition was submitted by Kyle=20 Drake, a radio engineer also concerned with issues involving AM IBOC=20 digital broadcasting, including involvement with a petition to the=20 FCC for reconsideration of the Report and Order giving approval for=20 stations to begin IBOC digital broadcasting. The CBBDG petition calls for the establishment of a new broadcast=20 band reserved exclusively for private citizens and small community=20 groups. Unused portions of the L-band, millimeter waves, and=20 infrared broadcasting are proposed as possibilities for the new=20 broadcast band. (Infrared was developed by petition co-signatory=20 Nickolaus Leggett, one of the original petitioners for a low-power=20 FM service that eventually led to LPFM.) It's hoped that the=20 petition will open the door to public comment, to demonstrate the=20 need for public access to the broadcast media, and further define=20 technical parameters of the new band. As of this writing an FCC file=20 number had not yet been assigned to the petition. Watch for its=20 release on the FCC website. Kahn Alternative To AM IBOC In an April 5 press release for the NAB Show in Las Vegas, Kahn=20 Communications, Inc., announced the development of Compatible AM=20 Digital (Cam-D) as an alternative to AM IBOC digital. The new=20 technology would provide for 15-kHz wideband stereo on AM without=20 causing interference to adjacent channels or nighttime skywave=20 reception problems, and wouldn't require any changes to existing=20 transmission equipment=97issues plaguing implementation of AM IBOC=20 digital. Some have renamed IBOC as IBAC (in-band adjacent channel)=20 because the digital signal is broadcast on upper and lower sidebands=20 out to the adjacent channels. Not only does the AM IBOC digital=20 signal cause harmful interference to adjacent channels, but some AM=20 facilities will require major modifications to broadcast the digital=20 signal. Some antenna systems cannot handle the wideband IBOC digital=20 signal, especially directional antenna arrays using narrow tuned=20 elements. =20 Taken from an online excerpt of the July 2003 Popular Communications=20 magazine. Kerry, usually your professionalism enhances your credibility, but=20 when you trash those who are not broadcast engineers as kids playing=20 with toys in their basements, your advocacy of IBOC takes on a=20 distictly "ringing" sound - blame it on the Optimod??? Come on,=20 take the high road, don't try to promote your views by trying to rub=20 our noses in the dirt. Phil R. PEI Canada P.S. Are there any 50kw AM stations, say in NYC, Boston, Philly=20 etc. running or testing IBOC at night besides WOR so I can try to=20 hear the alleged effects of IBOC? =20=20=20 From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri May 30 06:32:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72203 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 13:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 13:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 13:32:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 13:32:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:32:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sad news Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1201 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Some sad news... for the past several weeks, it appears 920 CJCH has ceased broadcasting in CQUAM. CJLS will soon be on exclusive FM, [3 FM sites, previously 2 FM and 1 AM] then shutting down 1340 which has been CQUAM. 580 CJFX will soon be dark, after several weeks of omni 25Kw CQUAM, it appears they are reducing their power for a phased out shutdown of the AM. AM lovers take note, while CJFX's new 75 kw FM site is cranking out a good solid Class C1 signal [approximate 50 mile radius, 0.5 mv/m contour, 50/50 curve] on 98.9 mhz on eastern mainland Nova Scotia and eastern Prince Edward Island, its old stomping ground of Cape Breton Island has been seriously pruned. Coverage is still good along coastal Inverness and Richmond counties, but the FM provides a virtually useless signal in the heart of Cape Breton. Not surprising, as there is a tight ridge of hills about 30 air miles from the transmitter site which shadow the FM into oblivion. Proof that switching from AM to FM can wreck havoac on coverage, at least in certain directions. As a result of the above, I can no longer receive AM Stereo, except for my little transmitter located, in my basement :) Phil R. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri May 30 07:38:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75225 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 14:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 14:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 14:38:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20030530143838.40255.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2003 07:38:38 PDT Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IBOC makes the local newspaper To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If you review my comments to the FCC, this is why I asked for another year to analyze ALL potential transmitting OR RECEIVING methods to improve AM radio. As I indicated back then, the current IBOC-AM system is "NOT YET ready for primetime broadcasting" and should only be one of several EXPERIMENTAL systems testing during a one-year time span. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2003105300118 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From ido8bit@godisdead.com Fri May 30 08:27:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido8bit@godisdead.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91995 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 15:27:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 15:27:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 15:27:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 15:27:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:27:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Pioneer TX-221ZA tuner connector pinout? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 294 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "motenchi_youta" X-Originating-IP: 211.28.150.57 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102500048 X-Yahoo-Profile: motenchi_youta I picked up a Pioneer TX-221ZA AM stereo tuner today, but it was part of a mini system and has a 6 pin connector on the back. Does anybody have a pinout for this connector? Looking inside I found test points marked B+ and GND, but connecting 12V DC at these points does not power it up. From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri May 30 09:34:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35719 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 16:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 16:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 16:34:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 16:34:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 16:34:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Spectal Band Replication Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2345 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Kevin, can you point us to any sources of information on the use of > > "spectral replication" in PAC? > > Read up on RCA/Thomson's "MP3Pro" format. Just like IBOC, it uses > "Spectral Band Replication" ("SBR") in order to reproduce the high > treble frequencies, usually of 8 kHz and above. The European DRM > system also uses SBR to handle the high treble, above 5 kHz or so. Can you cite any references that describe the "RCA/Thomson's MP3Pro" algorithms? On second thought let's leave that for later, as it is irrelevant if the "HD Radio" system doesn't actually use the "RCA/ Thomson's MP3Pro" algorithms, so let's deal with that first. How do you know that "HD Radio" is using the "RCA/Thomson's MP3Pro Spectral Band Replication" algorithm, as opposed to some other "Spectral Band Replication" algorithm"? For that matter, how do you know that "HD Radio" even uses any form of "Spectral Band Replication" in the first place? How do you know that the high frequency artifacts you have detected aren't simply due to a limited number of bits being used to code the top octave or so? > As I have said, SBR works by synthesizing the high frequencies based > on harmonics of the lower frequencies which it does encode fully. > However, it also includes a low-bitrate data stream (4 kbps or less) > to help it correctly "guess" these treble frequencies more > accurately. This is mostly in order to handle high treble sound > effects that do not have any part of their sound occuring below the > SBR's cut-off frequency, such as tambourine rasps, crystal chimes, > and the like. I am surprised that they would devote as much as 4 kbps to coding the top octave, when only 36 kbps or so are available in the first place. I would think that the data stream devoted to the high frequencies would be dynamically determined, and would sometimes be greater than 4 kbps, and sometimes less, depending on the nature of the signal being coded. I would think that "Spectral Band Replication" would be pretty much unnecessary if they are able to devote 4 kbps to coding the highest frequencies. Inquiring minds want to know what is really going on here, and if anyone on this list actually knows how the "PAC" coder really works? John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 30 09:49:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73471 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 16:48:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 16:48:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12805.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 16:48:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20030530164854.6106.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2003 17:48:54 BST Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:48:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Criticisim? No Problem.... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20T.?=" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > But when those who clearly do not get it, and only want to annoy or > cloud the technical issues or take a poke at an issue where they have > in fact no idea what in the world they are talking about, who has the > time to waste on this kind of thing? Having printed out and read thousands of pages of IBOC documentation dating back to the days of "USA Digital Radio" in 1999, I do think I have a good idea of what I am talking about. And if you want to prove me wrong, by all means, be my guest! However, your attempts to dismiss and discredit me don't count... it's the IBOC system we're talking about, and if you can't can't do that, I welcome you to invite someone else here who can. > I have repeatedly said here any audio sample on a web page is not an > accurate representation of what is actually happening. By claiming this, you are trying to invalidate the entire concept of digital audio! Uncompressed CD-quality digital audio, such as what you have posted to the WOR web site, is as "perfect" of a representation of what is coming out of your IBOC receiver as what today's technology can handle. What we hear is what you get -- there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. And it may even be considered SUPERIOR to listening to a "live" IBOC demonstration, because it offers the capability to listen closely using headphones, which make digital artifacts and Stereo separation much more noticeable than when using a set of speakers. In fact, during critical listening, I always use high-quality headphones. AM Stereo passes this "headphone test"... but IBOC does not. And until major improvements are made, I reserve the right to call it as I hear it! What I hear right now is a 50,000-watt major market station that sounds worse, both in analog and in gee-whiz digital, than a 243-watt station down the road from me which has its studio in a trailer. With their B.E. AM-500 transmitter and Optimod 9100, this peanut-whistle AM station (1170 WWTR in Bridgewater, NJ) sounds better than any other licensed mono AM station I have ever heard. And like others in the radio industry have said, if IBOC can't even sound as good as analog AM has for decades, then what's the point? When I can purchase a $50 IBOC radio that sounds better than a $50 GE Superadio III, I'll change my mind... but not a moment sooner. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 30 09:54:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58673 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 16:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 16:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 16:54:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 16:54:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 16:54:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC noise. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1226 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie And no, I don't mean the adjacent-channel hash! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: =BIIIIGsnip!= > Kerry, usually your professionalism enhances your credibility, but > when you trash those who are not broadcast engineers as kids playing > with toys in their basements, your advocacy of IBOC takes on a > distictly "ringing" sound - blame it on the Optimod??? Come on, > take the high road, don't try to promote your views by trying to rub > our noses in the dirt. I think Mr. Richards' comments do a big disservice to himself, WOR, professional broadcast engineers, and IBOC by criticizing us non- professional engineer-types (or non-engineers, for that matter, such as myself)-- We are your potential audience, so please, don't belittle us! I, like Phil and others, like to tinker with things from time to time, so I understand experimenting. I'm just a mouse- I don't matter all that much. But I'll be damned if I take such insults. I lose respect for anyone who does that, amd Mr. Richards has lost any respect I had towards anyone at WOR, and only furthers my entrenchment against IBOC. I'm sorry, but I don't like being insulted. Nobody does. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 30 09:59:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1493 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 16:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 16:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 16:59:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 16:59:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 16:59:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Pioneer TX-221ZA tuner connector pinout? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 503 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "motenchi_youta" wrote: > I picked up a Pioneer TX-221ZA AM stereo tuner today, but it was part > of a mini system and has a 6 pin connector on the back. > > Does anybody have a pinout for this connector? Can you describe the connector, or take a picture and post it somewhere? (Not to the list itself, since attatchments aren't allowed.) If we have a better idea, someone here should be able to help you with your dilemma. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 30 10:23:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88719 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 17:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 17:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 17:23:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 17:22:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:22:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CJCH, CJLS, & more Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 773 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Some sad news... for the past several weeks, it appears 920 CJCH has > ceased broadcasting in CQUAM. Don't hesistate to give them a call and ask what's what. It could always be a minor technical issue, such as temporary use of a backup transmitter while maintenance is being done on the main Stereo-equipped transmitter. As for 1340 CJLS, they are an excellent locally owned full-service AM Stereo station with a great music format. While visiting Yarmouth last summer, my radio dial never budged away from them. At that time they already had two FM simulcasts, but in Yarmouth itself the only strong signal was their main 1340 AM Stereo signal. Just like 1000 CKBW in Bridgewater, NS, if CJLS gives up their AM signal entirely, it will be missed! From spfleck@citlink.net Fri May 30 10:26:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spfleck@citlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29945 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 17:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 17:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 17:26:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 17:26:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:26:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: "professional" engineer Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 724 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Steve Fleckenstein" X-Originating-IP: 170.215.247.204 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2988995 X-Yahoo-Profile: n2ubp To me a "professional" is someone who is paid for their service. No more, no less. I have known "professional" engineers in various fields who knew what they were doing, those who didn't know squat, and those who knew squat but were culturaly subhuman and couldn't get a point across in a friendly manner if they tried. I also know non "professioanl" folk with 40 years or more of real life making a living in electronics that have a better grasp of certain aspects of radio technology than certain "professionals" in the same field. To sum it up. Waving the "professional" placard all over a newsgroup, telling us that someone can't p*ss with the big dogs suggests more elitism than practical knowledge. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 30 10:39:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17808 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 17:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 17:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12804.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 17:39:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20030530173908.16357.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:39:08 BST Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:39:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: IBOC makes the local newspaper To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20T.?=" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2003105300118 I found the following comment in the article interesting, as Greater Media's two flagship AM stations, 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, NJ and 950 WPEN in Philadelphia, both proudly broadcast in AM Stereo. WPEN often uses the tag line "Stereo 95 AM" on the air, and the logo on their web site mentions AM Stereo as well. (Greater Media also owns 1170 WWTR, the small mono AM station whose sound quality I have praised here.) >>> Milford Smith, chairman of NRSC?s digital audio subcommittee, said members had heard reports that iBiquity?s technology produced poor-quality AM sound but reviewed the iBiquity FM audio and found it acceptable. But after the demonstration, members turned thumbs down on the AM. Mr. Smith described it as "swirling, watery," during an interview. He is vice president for engineering at Greater Media, Inc., an East Brunswick, N.J., firm that owns radio stations and newspapers. <<< __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 30 11:14:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92756 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 18:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 18:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 18:14:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 18:14:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:14:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "professional" engineer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1711 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Fleckenstein" wrote: > > To me a "professional" is someone who is paid for their service. No > more, no less. > > I have known "professional" engineers in various fields who knew > what they were doing, those who didn't know squat, and those who knew > squat but were culturaly subhuman and couldn't get a point across in > a friendly manner if they tried. > > I also know non "professioanl" folk with 40 years or more of real > life making a living in electronics that have a better grasp of > certain aspects of radio technology than certain "professionals" in > the same field. > > To sum it up. Waving the "professional" placard all over a newsgroup, > telling us that someone can't p*ss with the big dogs suggests more > elitism than practical knowledge. Very well said, Mr. Fleckensteine. While the term can mean they're actually employed doing the work, or had been at one point, it also means a certain code of conduct, and sadly, there are alot of professionals who don't act professionally. I don't like elitist attitudes, because they cut themselves off from the feedback they need to hear. I just don't find snobbery credible, and thankfully, I know of several true professionals here that aren't snobs, and I feel have very credible input, whether it be WTTM, Neal, or Fanfare's Marv, or columnist Richard Wagoner, or MJR of KEVA, or Powell Way, III... :) No-one's perfect (nor do I expect perfection, least of all from myself), but I find these individuals credible, because they don't talk down, and they do listen. I'm sorry, WOR- Did you say something? You were talking above me. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri May 30 12:34:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36712 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 19:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 19:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 19:34:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 19:34:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 19:34:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM IBOC vs Analog Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1233 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Just my two cents. I am a former Broadcasting Engineer who was a member of SBE back in the 70s and 80s. I am now in management. I have been a huge fan of wideband AM and AM stereo for the last 19 years. I am always open to new ideas so I went to the WOR web site to hear what all the post were about. I listened to the analog and digital demos of Frank and Chicago and I had people I now work with listen. The digital does sound brighter but everyone liked the analog better. Why, because although the digital was brighter and sounded more FM like there was a bad swishing out of phase sound to it. Not as bad as short wave radio audio but it was noticeable and annoying. I am lucky to own one of the new Fanfare Amax AM stereo tuners and a Carver TX-11a wideband AM stereo tuner. I know how good analog wideband AM can sound and it frustrates me because the solution would be for manufactures to make better analog radios. Not adopt a swishing internet sounding digital system. The FCC should require all radios to at least meet Amax specs and if they have FM stereo then they should also be required to have AM C-quam stereo. The FCC should also require all AM stations to broadcast in c-quam stereo. As I said just my two cents. From michaelj@vcn.com Fri May 30 12:41:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50706 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 19:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 19:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 19:41:14 -0000 Received: from michaelj (unverified [209.193.86.57]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 13:41:14 -0600 Message-ID: <001a01c326e2$b42e3f60$3956c1d1@mshome.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "professional" engineer Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:36:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Amy I appreciate the compliment. I've said several times that I am NOT an engineer. Yet I do know a LOT about all of this stuff and the more I ask, the more I learn. The tons of engineering that I do know I have learned from professional engineers (such as Scott Todd, Bob Carter, Steve Fleckenstein, and indeed Dennis Silver who IS our true professional engineer but rarely makes trips up here from Salt Lake City, UT where he resides because he trusts ME to handle things or can talk me through just about anything over the phone). I never claimed to be a professional engineer. Paid? Well when I do engineering work, it is billed at $25 an hour which is almost a professional engineer rate and the company is happy to pay me that. But still, I'm not a professional. As I always say, I'm not an engineer but I do know a lot about this stuff. I guess if that discounts my knowledge and makes me a 5th grader who can't play on the high-school kids' playground then so be it. I DO appreciate all the help I've been given here on the list. I have a might-fine sounding C-Quam AM STEREO station that I have totally engineered myself and I'm quite proud of it. I noticed when I needed technical help I was hoping to have a reply from Tom or Kerry who both seemed to be quite good with C-quam and loved it when it was around. Never heard from them, though. I respected their knowledge but I guess it wasn't worth offereing since I'm not a "professional engineer", just (maybe in their minds?) a guy pretending to be one. Thanks again for all the help gang. There's at least ONE good-sounding AM Stereo station on the air thanks to all of you! Michael n WYO KEVA AM Stereo 1240 ----- Original Message ----- From: amymousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:14 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: "professional" engineer --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Fleckenstein" wrote: > > To me a "professional" is someone who is paid for their service. No > more, no less. > > I have known "professional" engineers in various fields who knew > what they were doing, those who didn't know squat, and those who knew > squat but were culturaly subhuman and couldn't get a point across in > a friendly manner if they tried. > > I also know non "professioanl" folk with 40 years or more of real > life making a living in electronics that have a better grasp of > certain aspects of radio technology than certain "professionals" in > the same field. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Fri May 30 13:00:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40417 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 20:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 20:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 20:00:04 -0000 Received: from michaelj (unverified [209.193.86.57]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 14:00:04 -0600 Message-ID: <002001c326e5$553f8ba0$3956c1d1@mshome.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM IBOC vs Analog Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:54:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well said Douglas. VERY well-said. Something we've been all saying for quite some time. Better-sounding AM Analog radios would do the trick. It doesn't sound bad. It's the crappy RADIOS that make AM sound bad. Now, the other side of the coin.....Ibiquity...WOR....and others...ALLOW ME: Well with digital you don't have things like static, power line noise, crackling, and all of the other kinds of interference that analog AM is subject to. Even Kerry pointed out in his post that it was clean and crystal clear in the conference room whereas in analog they couldn't hardly get it before and the building's fluorescent lighting and steel and stuff interfered big time as well as lots of static and interference from the computer sitting next to the wall in the room next door. In digital, all of that goes away. I think that's what they're trying to get across anyway. My view is that I'd still rather put up with the interference, powerline noise and electrical interference and have a nice wide crisp sound, verses sounding like i'm listening to an internet feed with swishing and artifacts. Then again, maybe I'm comparing apples to oranges. I'm looking at comments from guys in the nation's largest city and metropolitan area. My comments are coming from me, a guy in a small town in the country's LEAST-populated state. An engineer wanna-be. Gotta remember the programming, folks. I have a wide-band AM Stereo radio in my car. Any AM sounds good on that thing. That doesn't mean I'm going to go to the Salt Lake City metro and listen to AM. Because it sounds bad? Nope. Because I hate chatters and talkers and that's about all there is down there. True, I do listen to a lot, but it's the classic country AM (860 KBEE) or the adult standards AM (KKDS 1060). I just don't like talk. I like music. I'm a radio guy. I play music. Once in a while there's a talk host I'll listen to, like Dr. Laura or Phil Hendrie. And those? I'll listen to them even on my wife's CRAPPY AS CRAPPY CAN BE radio in her Chevy 2001 Impala. Programming is a big difference. Especially if you're offering something they can't get anywhere else, no matter WHAT radio we're talking about. Want to improve AM? Better analog AM radios and more music. I love all of these stations that are going IBOC. BIG DEAL! It's still just a bunch of chatting and phone conversations and news and talk. Hell, a REALAUDIO codec can sound great for voice! Been listening to lots of segments of "Car Talk" online on my 56k modem connection. When the guys are talking and taking calls it sounds marvelous. But when they go to break or come in from break and there's music going it sounds like crap. I know in the posted samples, WOR does indeed post the analog and digital version. I don't think the analog version is a very accurate representation when the analog audio they are posting is cut off with their IBOC-required 6khz filter. Let us see what it would sound like in true wide-band analog like all the other analog stations in the country are broadcasting....10khz. I know I know.....just showing us what the "legacy analog signal which travels alongside the digital carrier" sounds like. anyway MY two cents. I'll shut up now Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: douglasharding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:34 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM IBOC vs Analog Just my two cents. I am a former Broadcasting Engineer who was a member of SBE back in the 70s and 80s. I am now in management. I have been a huge fan of wideband AM and AM stereo for the last 19 years. I am always open to new ideas so I went to the WOR web site to hear what all the post were about. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri May 30 13:13:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72278 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 20:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 20:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 20:13:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 20:13:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 20:13:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Criticisim? No Problem.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 395 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.96.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Kerry, Nothing from me is aimed at you. By beef is *still* with iBiquity. I am not encouraged because of what was heard at the NAB after I heard iBiquity had improved the quality in the latest version. Unless I get to hear WOR, my next chance to hear it won't be until Philadelphia in October. For some, it may be acceptable with a minor improvement. For me, it has a LONG way to go. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri May 30 15:24:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7406 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 22:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 22:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.118) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 22:24:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 May 2003 15:24:35 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2003 22:24:33 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Bcc: Subject: Michael Powell's opinions on derugulation Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:24:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2003 22:24:35.0676 (UTC) FILETIME=[402B39C0:01C326FA] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 note: I have had this post bounce 3 times today, when addressed to the am stereo forum, so this time I am sending blind copies to people on the forum,that I can locate an email address for: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NPR has been doing a series of the further deregulation proposed by the FCC, this morning Michael Powell was interviewed.   Michael Powell, is very articulate, just as his father is and on the surface what he said seems to make sense, until you really think about it.  Most of the public will probably take him at his word, that if this next step in deregulation doesn't go through, it will be the end of free to air television and radio.  He also believes that fewer owners of media outlets will mean better and more local news, I suspect he also believes in the tooth fairy.   He also said that ClearChannel is not that big, that they own 1200 stations out of 16,000 stations.  What he didn't say was that the stations they own outright are usually the stronger signals in most markets; in some markets they only stations receivable are ClearChannel; ClearChannel did not go on a buying binge for 250 watt stations or daytime only stations, true they do own some, where they had to buy blocks of stations to get the powerhouse station they lusted after.  Also in addition to outright ownership there are another several hundred radio stations operated and programmed by ClearChannel under Limited Partnership Agreements.   Michael Powell could probably see air-conditioners to people in the artic circle.   donn not in the market for anything ( i.e. B.S.) from salesman/politician/NAB spokesperson Powell.     _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri May 30 16:15:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89814 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 23:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 23:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 23:15:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 23:15:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 23:15:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Comments to go with wgliradio's comments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4043 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote:> > One of my engineering colleagues went back three times to the > iBiquity booth trying to convince himself that this sounded good. > He was left shaking his head. Actually it was six times on two different days.... but whose counting. I also listened to the demos at the Harris and Nautel booths. Bad is still bad. I went in with an open mind after iBiquity said they were going to improve things and was disappointed. I must say it took a lot of guts to demo this stuff at a show like NAB and claim it sounded good. It makes you wonder if they really know what good audio is, if they've kidded themselves in to thinking it sounds good and if they don't really know should they be trying to design this equipment in the first place. One of the comments I heard on the floor was "I have to justify going IBOC to my management and audio quality is not a reason". Hmmm.... well I'm glad the NRSC finally woke up and relized that the audio stinks too. And I do think their decision carrys some weight. Right now IBOC isn't going anywhere without them. PAC just hasn't cut it. From what I understand the original systems used AAC and sounded much better. But ibiquity can't licencse a system with AAC or MP4 so we have to invent PAC. It's all $$$ and unfortunately $$$ will win out over technology. Sirrus and XM radio will make their dent in the market. But it's not a quality issue it's a programming issue. They're using similar, crappy technology. People are turning to them because they're fed up with the lousey programming on regular radio. But IBOC sounds even worse than they do. So let me see.... the plan is to put the cruddy programming that's on radio now on an even worse sounding system and hope to regain what? Good quality programming on our present AM and FM systems will hold listeners better. Us engineering types should stop fighting and go beat the P.D.s in the head. It's OK to experiment. If we didn't we wouldn't get anywhere. And that's what IBOC is. Just a big experiment. Maybe the people at iBiquity will come up with a miracle and make it sound good. I will wait and see but at the same time I think other technologies should be investigated too. We shouldn't be so closed minded and just look at the technology being developed by one company. Well, there's that $$$ thing again so let's shove something inferior down the American publics throats. Hey, they're having trouble selling digital television so what makes anyone think digital radio will fair any better? Why should people throw their eqipment away and spend their hard earned money on something digital just to get the same bad programming? Figure that one out. Excuse my rantings. I've spent 30+ years in radio and the industry. Radio got in my blood when I was a teenager.... more years ago than I care to think of. Now it's like watching an old friend get poisoned and being told it's for his own good. Again, Kerry I commend you for playing around with this stuff. Good luck with your conversion to stereo. I know it's exciting and it will also give you the opportunity to get things in the station the way you want them. I also hope you'll be open to other technologies if they become available. Maybe even stuff a CQAM card in that DX-50 so you can be stereo 24 hours a day. You and Tom have the infastruce and the know how to do it. Make some real radio history man. I'm looking foward to hearing more audio clips on your web site as things progress. Sorry I can't resist this and I don't want anyone to take this as a liberal comment because it isn't but.... When you go stereo could you get Bob Grant to come out of the right speaker and some of his callers to come out of the left? It would be politically correct. Hey, what can I say? I'm a listener. I do listen to some talk radio programming so I don't think it's all bad. Straight ahead pal!! Jerry Mehrab WA2FNQ Manager, RF Systems HBO From amstereorules@msn.com Fri May 30 16:51:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81924 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 23:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 23:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 23:51:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 23:51:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 23:51:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Criticisim? No Problem.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 458 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >When I get a complaint or critique from someone like Neal Newman, or >Mr. Mouse, or WGIL Radio here...I take them quite seriously because >they eminate from a fellow Professional engineer, Hey, I'm a professional Engineer. >some folks never grow up or come up out of the basement, as is >clearly the case in point here. C'mon Kerry, get real. You are working on the biggest toy of your life at WOR, and enjoying every minute of it! -Mario Orazio From amstereorules@msn.com Fri May 30 17:03:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43973 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 00:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 00:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 00:03:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 00:03:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 00:03:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM IBOC vs Analog Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 396 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >I am lucky to own one of the >new Fanfare Amax AM stereo tuners and a Carver TX-11a wideband AM >stereo tuner. I know how good analog wideband AM can sound and it >frustrates me because the solution would be for manufactures to make >better analog radios. Not adopt a swishing internet sounding digital >system. Which sounds better to your ears, the TX-11a or the Fanfare AMAX? -Mario Orazio From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri May 30 17:10:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62744 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 00:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 00:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 00:10:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 00:10:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 00:10:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Criticisim? No Problem.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 888 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.219 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < amstereorules@m...> wrote: > >When I get a complaint or critique from someone like Neal Newman, or > >Mr. Mouse, or WGIL Radio here...I take them quite seriously because > >they eminate from a fellow Professional engineer, > Hey, I'm a professional Engineer. > > >some folks never grow up or come up out of the basement, as is > >clearly the case in point here. > C'mon Kerry, get real. You are working on the biggest toy of your > life at WOR, and enjoying every minute of it! Mario, I think you are missing the point, if you have a 317C-3 in your basement, that you saved from the landfill, and are just working on it for fun, not getting paid, and not having to keep it up 24/7, then it is a toy. If you work on a DX-50 at WOR, must keep it running 24/7, and are being paid for doing it, then it is not a toy. John From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri May 30 18:35:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23091 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 01:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 01:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 01:35:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 01:35:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 01:35:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fanfare FTA-100B17L vs Carver TX-11a Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 350 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.229.173 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > Which sounds better to your ears, the TX-11a or the Fanfare AMAX? > > -Mario Orazio I think my Fanfare FTA-100B17L sounds better then my Carver TX-11a. I am guessing the reason is the Fanfare has the latest stereo decoder chip and is spec to the AMAX standard. From tomray@wor710.com Fri May 30 20:02:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45189 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 03:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 03:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 03:02:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 03:02:55 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65079 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 19:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2003 19:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2003 19:49:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2003 19:49:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 19:48:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1005 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.84.162.218 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 31 May 2003 03:02:55 -0000 Kevin: We are upgrading to a different analog audio card in the exciter.....this one started to show some instability. Ya gotta love that the exciter is a computer. Thank God it's not a Sound Blaster or a $9 Internet special. It should be back in house and back on the air Monday. Regarding phone calls on WOR, we have spent considerable time and money installing ISDN lines for all talk shows. Everything between the phone company CO and the studio phone systems is digital data. ISDN doesn't hum, buzz, whistle or make obnoxious noises. What you are hearing are the connections from people who call in. They are on normal analog lines and sets.....and we have absolutely no control over that. "A call is only as good as the network it's on" should be amended to say, "and the $5 K-Mart phone connected to 50 year old copper cable that should have been replaced 15 years ago" in this case. Tom Ray Corporate Director of Engineering Buckley Broadcasting/WOR NYC tomray@wor710.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 30 20:16:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50809 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 03:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 03:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 03:16:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 03:16:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 03:16:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 710 WOR audio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1885 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.141 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > ISDN doesn't hum, buzz, whistle or make obnoxious noises. What you > are hearing are the connections from people who call in. I wasn't talking about phone calls being aired on WOR. I was talking about the hiss and hum in WOR's own *in-studio* audio programming. For example, whenever the news announcer or talk show host stops talking for a moment, there is a very annoying and very noticeable "rush-up" of background hiss in WOR's audio. And sometimes during or in between programming elements there is a noticeable AC hum (and/or harmonics of it) in the audio. I don't hear any of these flaws from WOR's competition. And on an FM station, it would be unthinkable! Yet, with all of WOR's high-tech digital equipment -- not even including the use of IBOC -- your station's audio quality is consistently reminiscent of what AM stations were like 25 years ago when everything was analog end-to- end and the infamous Audimax/Volumax team was in charge of the audio processing. And this, indeed, may be one of the limiting factor's of WOR's audio quality through the digital IBOC audio. When a perceptual audio encoder is faced with hiss and hum in the incoming audio, it has to "waste" bits trying to encode this useless part of the audio. As a result, the *desired* audio content has less bandwidth to work with, and thus the quality suffers even more than what IBOC's low-bitrate encoding inherently entails. Like I said, I hope these issues are being addressed as part of WOR's studio equipment upgrades. Because moreso than ever before, with IBOC, the "GIGO" rule applies -- "Garbage In, Garbage Out". But feed it with clean, hiss- and hum-free audio, and the result will benefit *all* of WOR's listeners, including the 100% that are listening to the analog half of your IBOC signal, as well as the 0% that are listening to the digital half! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 30 20:33:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76323 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 03:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 03:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 03:33:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 03:33:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 03:33:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Comments to go with wgliradio's comments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 742 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.141 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > When you go stereo could you get Bob Grant to come out of the right > speaker and some of his callers to come out of the left? It would > be politically correct. Hey, what can I say? I'm a listener. A similar method of broadcasting out-of-phase audio in both channels would be great for the politicians who talk out of both sides of their mouth. :-) Seriously, though, Neal's own 1680 WTTM in Princeton, NJ regularly broadcasts in-studio talk shows and debates in which the various mics are pan-potted to the left channel, center, and right channel. It sounds marvelous to hear the give-and-take in real living Stereo, and because of C-Quam's matrix processing, mono listeners don't lose any loudness either, so everybody wins! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 30 20:46:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55918 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 03:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 03:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 03:46:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 03:46:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 03:45:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Criticisim? No Problem.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 938 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.141 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If you work on a DX-50 at WOR, must keep it running 24/7, and are > being paid for doing it, then it is not a toy. I do happen to be in charge of a radio station that's running 24/7, including the fault-tolerant computer-based automation system, digital and analog audio processing, STL, outdoor transmitter housing, and antenna, all of which I designed and installed myself. I also have compiled and organized a music collection of nearly 700 songs which is used on the station. But since it's a low-power Part 15 station that actually is running out of my basement, I guess it's just a toy, right? Even though it sounds better and is more reliable (with computer automation proudly based on DOS!) than just about any other station on the dial. Regardless, my station is also quite possibly the only one in the world which has an IBM ThinkPad and a Gates Solid Statesman working together in harmony in the audio chain! From dav259@csiro.au Fri May 30 20:48:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46918 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 03:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 03:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 03:48:10 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4V3m8703359 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:48:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:48:08 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Criticisim? No Problem.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 31 May 2003, IBOC John wrote: > Mario, I think you are missing the point, if you have a 317C-3 in your > basement, that you saved from the landfill, and are just working on it > for fun, not getting paid, and not having to keep it up 24/7, then it > is a toy. If you work on a DX-50 at WOR, must keep it running 24/7, > and are being paid for doing it, then it is not a toy. So what, John, precisely is your point here? Boyz love their toyz. Most of us aren't engineers but we know what we hear. And I expect most of us in the Forum love AM stereo simply because it sounds so good. We all have ears. Most of us are blessed with two. And that's what generally makes stereo sound better than mono. If the stereo sound is crappy I'm quite happy to press the mono button. Clear mono sound is better than distorted stereo sound. Since 1985 I've never ever considered to listening to an AMS station in mono. Ian From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri May 30 21:02:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39690 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 04:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 04:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf35bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.217) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 04:02:46 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.211.235.65]) by imf35bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030531040500.XXKD22718.imf35bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 00:05:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c32729$7eac0150$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 00:02:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting..... By the way, just my two cents of being in Radio for 20+ years.... I remember doing remotes in Iowa on the old "before digital" copper twisted pair phone lines, and they sounded awesome when the line was quiet, and that was about 80 to 90% of the time. It was a big deal in the town I lived in , when they upgraded. It never was the same. Remotes sounded like crap. New technology, crappier sound.....But the calls went thru faster....hi BTW, it was like a step into the old days to only have to dial 5 numbers to reach someone in this town.....this was only 11 years ago.....weird.... Juan Fort Pierce, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ray To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 3:48 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Kevin: We are upgrading to a different analog audio card in the exciter.....this one started to show some instability. Ya gotta love that the exciter is a computer. Thank God it's not a Sound Blaster or a $9 Internet special. It should be back in house and back on the air Monday. Regarding phone calls on WOR, we have spent considerable time and money installing ISDN lines for all talk shows. Everything between the phone company CO and the studio phone systems is digital data. ISDN doesn't hum, buzz, whistle or make obnoxious noises. What you are hearing are the connections from people who call in. They are on normal analog lines and sets.....and we have absolutely no control over that. "A call is only as good as the network it's on" should be amended to say, "and the $5 K-Mart phone connected to 50 year old copper cable that should have been replaced 15 years ago" in this case. Tom Ray Corporate Director of Engineering Buckley Broadcasting/WOR NYC tomray@wor710.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri May 30 21:42:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55480 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 04:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 04:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.116) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 04:42:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 May 2003 21:42:02 -0700 Received: from 172.167.230.253 by bay7-dav12.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 31 May 2003 04:42:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Criticisim? No Problem.... Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 00:41:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2003 04:42:02.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA713D50:01C3272E] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.167.230.253] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: >Even though it sounds better and is more reliable (with computer automation proudly based on DOS!) Kevin, What automation program are you using? I am now running Airmix under Windows ME for my Part 15. Sometimes, and it isn't often, Windows and/or Airmix freaks out and I have to re-boot the system. > >my station is also quite possibly the only one in the world which has an IBM ThinkPad and a Gates Solid Statesman working together in harmony in the audio chain! I have an IBM ThinkPad 600E that is happy working with a Gates Level Devil. Kevin From baansy@yahoo.com Fri May 30 21:44:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13830 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 04:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 04:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41808.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.142) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 04:44:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20030531044417.93347.qmail@web41808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.174.40.26] by web41808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2003 21:44:17 PDT Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Pioneer TX-221ZA tuner connector pinout? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ANDREW BAANS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a pioneer tx 333za tuner with a 6 pin plug on the back. I took the lid off and found the connections were labled on the circuit board. I actually got one of these working by poking wires through the holes and soldering them to the circuit board on the other side. I was able to run this model on 12 volts and feed the outputs to an amplifier. amymousie wrote:--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "motenchi_youta" wrote: > I picked up a Pioneer TX-221ZA AM stereo tuner today, but it was part > of a mini system and has a 6 pin connector on the back. > > Does anybody have a pinout for this connector? Can you describe the connector, or take a picture and post it somewhere? (Not to the list itself, since attatchments aren't allowed.) If we have a better idea, someone here should be able to help you with your dilemma. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri May 30 22:10:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48237 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 05:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 05:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 05:10:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 05:10:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 05:10:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 901 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.163.197 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Regarding phone calls on WOR, we have spent considerable time and > money installing ISDN lines for all talk shows. Everything between > the phone company CO and the studio phone systems is digital data. > ISDN doesn't hum, buzz, whistle or make obnoxious noises. What you > are hearing are the connections from people who call in. They are on > normal analog lines and sets.....and we have absolutely no control > over that. "A call is only as good as the network it's on" should be > amended to say, "and the $5 K-Mart phone connected to 50 year old > copper cable that should have been replaced 15 years ago" in this > case. > I can second that! Garbage into the hybrid doesn't get cleaned up by the hybrid... it just tries to make the most of what's there and that sometimes means exaggerating noise. From baansy@yahoo.com Fri May 30 22:24:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95549 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 05:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 05:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 05:24:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 05:24:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 05:24:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM STEREO COLLECTION Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 859 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 202.174.40.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Just letting everyone know some of the AM STEREO radios I have in my collection which you may or may not have heard of. ADD ZEST RAX 310 car radio cassette. This set has RCA pre outs and a connection for a cd stacker or player. The FM band tunes from 76 to 90 Mhz. TEAC CR800 home stereo. This set has double cassette with dolby and a seven band graphic equalizer. The mono swich works on AM and FM. I was able to tune to a station on 1629 khz but it does not tune higher even though the digital display goes up to 1710. PHILLIPS DC 666 This set was a factory fitted radio in toyotas here in Australia from late 80's to early 90's. PIONEER KE8003ZH car radio cassette This set is four speaker. It has dolby NR, also has music search. The AM band has wide/narrow switch. CLARION PH-90891 car radio cassette. Stereo can be turned off in AM and FM From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 30 22:53:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86657 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 05:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 05:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 05:53:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 05:53:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 05:53:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 5-digit dialing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c32729$7eac0150$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1535 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.141 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > BTW, it was like a step into the old days to only have to dial 5 > numbers to reach someone in this town.....this was only 11 years > ago.....weird.... Rutgers University still has 5-digit dialing -- and that's across four different campuses in three different towns. Every phone is assigned a legitimate number with full exchange and area code for outside calls, but for on-campus calls, you only have to dial the last 5 digits. That's actually inside an area code (732) which is stupidly arranged where you have to dial the area code ALL the time, even when dialing across the street... not so nice for those of us who don't feel like paying the extra $0.99 per month for Touch-Tone dialing. (Ten digits of pulse dialing takes a long time, especially since no phones and only some modems support "fast pulse" dialing.) I also dislike the proliferation of "illegal" area codes. As the original scheme was laid out, area codes had to have either a 0 or 1 as the middle digit, and the last two digits couldn't be the same (so area code 501 is okay, but not 500 or 511). This helped avoid confusion between the area code and exchange and made area codes easier to memorize. But in the mid-'90s, that scheme got tossed out the window and since then "illegal" area codes have flourished, leading to confusion-prone numbers such as 732-232-xxxx or 964-946-xxxx. But that's life, especially these days when everybody has to have separate numbers for their home phone, cell phone, fax machine, modem, and pager. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 30 23:05:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84640 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 06:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 06:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 06:05:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 06:05:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 06:05:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: A day left.... o.o Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 211 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Hoohey, we have a day left in the month, and this post officially ties with March's 618. Looks like this month turns out to be better than the last two! :) Let's hope we can keep this up? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 30 23:09:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48346 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 06:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 06:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 06:09:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 06:09:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 06:09:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Criticisim? No Problem.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1141 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.141 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kevin, What automation program are you using? I am now running > Airmix under Windows ME for my Part 15. Sometimes, and it isn't > often, Windows and/or Airmix freaks out and I have to re-boot the > system. I use a DOS audio player called "MPXPLAY", combined with my own custom GW-BASIC program and DOS batch file which randomizes the music playlist and inserts a random liner after every other song. MPXPLAY steps through the programmed playlist and provides cross-fading between the songs and liners. MPXPLAY can play WAV, MP2, MP3, MusePack (MPC), Ogg Vorbis (OGG), and AC3 files, and can be downloaded free from this site: http://mpxplay.cjb.net This system has run 100% glitch-free for over 2 months now -- continuously 24/7 except for about once a month when new music is added into the system. It even automatically recovers from power outages up to several hours long, as the computer is a laptop with battery back-up, and the other components of the air-chain come on automatically when the AC power is restored. > I have an IBM ThinkPad 600E that is happy working with a Gates > Level Devil. Sounds like fun! From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri May 30 23:16:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49401 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 06:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 06:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 06:16:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 06:16:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 06:16:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 5-digit dialing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1776 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > I also dislike the proliferation of "illegal" area codes. As the > original scheme was laid out, area codes had to have either a 0 or 1 > as the middle digit, and the last two digits couldn't be the same (so > area code 501 is okay, but not 500 or 511). This helped avoid > confusion between the area code and exchange and made area codes > easier to memorize. But in the mid-'90s, that scheme got tossed out > the window and since then "illegal" area codes have flourished, > leading to confusion-prone numbers such as 732-232-xxxx or > 964-946-xxxx. But that's life, especially these days when everybody > has to have separate numbers for their home phone, cell phone, fax > machine, modem, and pager. Not, and never really have been illegal, but actually the #1# and #0# schemes were due to technical issues with the automated rotary exchange system, and were already considered for abandonment before AT&T broke up. The exchange computers are a bit more flexible, now, but I'm surprised you still need to dile the area code locally-- Here in 707-land, -no-one- needs to dial the 1+707 anymore to call locvally, or long-distance (BIG area-code region!). But the expance into the middle-digit became absolutely necessary, first for the proliferation of fax machines, then for extra lines for computers, then for cell phones- Especially cell phones! (Surprisingly, needing a separate area code for cellphones here in 707-land hasn't been an issue, since it's a relatively-sparsely- populated region, with two major centers, each 200 miles apart from each other.) Gotta love California. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Why yes, I have a cellphone, why do you ask? ;) ) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 30 23:20:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27938 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 06:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 06:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 06:20:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 06:20:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 06:19:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1466 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.141 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I can second that! Garbage into the hybrid doesn't get cleaned up > by the hybrid... it just tries to make the most of what's there and > that sometimes means exaggerating noise. In terms of on-air phone calls, the more limiting factor these days are the digital cell phones that everybody is using. There is hardly ever a perfect call from one of these. You either get lousy, artifact-filled audio (I've never heard a digital cell phone which can handle the sound of a human breath without severe quality degradation), or a call which starts breaking up and becomes unintelligible, or a combination of both. Sometimes even a schedule phone interview guest calls in using one of these digital cell phones. Hopefully more radio stations will not be hesitant to say "call back using a REAL phone, so we can actually understand you". And once in a while I'll hear a caller whose phone is surprisingly "hi-fi". A telephone doesn't necessarily have to be limited to the traditional 300-3000 Hz audio response; which proper design and audio equalization, I do believe at least a 150-4000 Hz response is possible through a standard analog phone line without any special equipment. In fact, back in the '60s, the illustrious LEONARD KAHN patented a method to extend the telephone's low end response down to 150 Hz for superior voice quality. He later went after AT&T in the 1990s when their "TrueVoice" system was essentially the same thing. From amstereorules@msn.com Fri May 30 23:34:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82603 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 06:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 06:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 06:34:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 06:34:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 06:34:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 5-digit dialing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 748 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >area codes had to have either a 0 or 1 as the middle digit, and the >last two digits couldn't be the same This was due to the mechanical switching equipment used until the last 10~15 years in all central offices. Lucent's 5ESS Switch changed it all. There is nothing "illegal" about the new numbering plans. And with number portability introduced later this year, you can actually take your cell phone number with you if you move and/or transfer to different telephone company. >(Why yes, I have a cellphone, why do you ask? ;) ) How does a mouse speak on a cell phone? For this group, I'd imagine you have some sort of electronic device that converts your squeaks into written words, similar to a TDD for the deaf. -Mario Orazio From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 31 00:25:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75668 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 07:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 07:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 07:25:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 07:25:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 07:25:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 5-digit dialing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 999 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > >area codes had to have either a 0 or 1 as the middle digit, and the > >last two digits couldn't be the same > This was due to the mechanical switching equipment used until the > last 10~15 years in all central offices. Lucent's 5ESS Switch > changed it all. There is nothing "illegal" about the new numbering > plans. And with number portability introduced later this year, you > can actually take your cell phone number with you if you move and/or > transfer to different telephone company. Absolutely correct on both accounts. :) > >(Why yes, I have a cellphone, why do you ask? ;) ) > How does a mouse speak on a cell phone? For this group, I'd imagine > you have some sort of electronic device that converts your squeaks > into written words, similar to a TDD for the deaf. I don't need it for much, usually receive wake-up squeeks from my mum. You know how parents are. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 31 01:19:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2371 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 08:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 08:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 08:19:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 08:19:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 08:19:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Somewhat OT: UK/Ireland TV clocks...in Flash Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1238 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Of late I have been looking at something not seen in America, as far as I know: the on-screen TV station clock. Only recently have broadcasters in the UK and Ireland pretty much ceased using clocks to lead up to shows, now, but a few sites have put stills & videos and such of these clocks, along with other "test cards" and other IDs. In particular, one clever person by the name of Dave Jeffery has made Macromedia Flash reconstructions of many of these, including working Flash clocks, which can be found on three sites: UK TV clocks made in Flash: http://625.uk.com/tv_logos/flash2.htm More Flash TV clocks!: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/ilove/tv/testcards The Irish side of Flash-made TV clocks: http://www.irish- tv.com/flash.htm I did save the .swf files from my Temporarey Internet Files directory and associated them with my web browser (IE here) so they can be viewed. :) Plus, here's everything one would possibly want to explore about TV in the British Isles: http://625.uk.com http://www.mb21.co.uk/ http://www.meldrum.co.uk/mhp/ http://www.irish-tv.com/ (Plenty of further links from these sites!) Now we return you to further AM stereo musings and other such while May winds down into June. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 31 01:24:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45083 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 08:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 08:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 08:24:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 08:24:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 08:24:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: UK/Ireland TV clocks...in Flash Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 775 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.141 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Only recently have broadcasters in the UK and Ireland pretty much > ceased using clocks to lead up to shows, now, but a few sites have > put stills & videos and such of these clocks, along with other > "test cards" and other IDs. Speaking of clocks, 710 WOR is one of the few radio stations in the greater NYC area that still has a hard-wired top-of-the-hour beep. I know 1030 WBZ in Boston also has one, which is actually an EBS-like clashing-pitch two-tone "BRAAAP!" Still, that's something you don't hear too much anymore, especially on FM -- and CBS News's "bong" doesn't count, because I believe it's sent over the network, not locally originated. (And they've long since retired the Univac computer originally responsible for generating the "bong" sound.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 31 01:32:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94788 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 08:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 08:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 08:32:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 08:32:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 08:32:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: UK/Ireland TV clocks...in Flash Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1356 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Only recently have broadcasters in the UK and Ireland pretty much > > ceased using clocks to lead up to shows, now, but a few sites have > > put stills & videos and such of these clocks, along with other > > "test cards" and other IDs. > > Speaking of clocks, 710 WOR is one of the few radio stations in the > greater NYC area that still has a hard-wired top-of-the-hour beep. > > I know 1030 WBZ in Boston also has one, which is actually an EBS- like > clashing-pitch two-tone "BRAAAP!" > > Still, that's something you don't hear too much anymore, especially > on FM -- and CBS News's "bong" doesn't count, because I believe it's > sent over the network, not locally originated. (And they've long > since retired the Univac computer originally responsible for > generating the "bong" sound.) The CBS "bong" used to be a part of CBS' top-of-the-hour TV programming, too, and yes, hourly chimes are rarely heard here in the US.. Quite sad, it was a fixture of radio for so long, and certsainly something I miss. In the rest of the world, it's still likely to be heard. Ah, for some sense of dignity in broadcasting...... Hourly chimes, a full, legal ident with call letters, local programming....... What the bloody hell has gone wrong????? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat May 31 06:29:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30441 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 13:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 13:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf41bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.144) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 13:29:50 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.199.197]) by imf41bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030531133204.IQRM16983.imf41bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:32:04 -0400 Message-ID: <002201c32778$b678ba70$af78fea9@juan> To: Subject: Car Stereo Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 09:29:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My beloved Buick Park Avenue was in an accident and is a total loss. I am purchasing a Ford Crown Victoria (96) and need to buy an aftermarket radio. I am looking for one with a sensitive, selective FM side, and a good AM side too.Trouble is, if you have ever tried to listen to AM in the car stereo shops, it's tough to tell, as usual you just hear noise. I am removing the AM stereo Delco from the buick, and will have this great radio for sale soon. One other thing that bothers me, the Crown Vic has one of those in the windshield antennas...I remember how lousy these used to work in the 70's..........I hope they are better then they used to be. Any advice would be appreciated. Juan Fort Pierce, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat May 31 07:24:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24557 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 14:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 14:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 14:24:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 14:24:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:24:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: UK/Ireland TV clocks...in Flash Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 213.121.66.118 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan This is a great uk site many video clips incl local clocks etc. My region is Meridian ex-TVS ex Southern TV tv-ark.co.uk From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 31 09:40:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58469 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 16:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 16:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 16:40:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 16:40:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 16:40:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: UK/Ireland TV clocks...in Flash Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 731 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > This is a great uk site many video clips incl local clocks etc. My > region is Meridian ex-TVS ex Southern TV > > tv-ark.co.uk Yes, also very good- Has screenshots and videos for just about every region of the UK. On the 625.uk.com site, one of the Flash clocks just happens to be a TVS "rainbow" clock. :) (I wish there were more Flash clocks there, representing other regions-- I was disappointed no Welsh TV reconstructions were created there-- Guess I'll have to fire off an email there... :) ) (Just a note: The BBC Flash clocks on the BBC site and on the 625 site only have one redundant clock between them.) Have fun. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 31 10:34:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26083 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 17:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 17:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 17:34:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 17:34:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:34:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Car Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201c32778$b678ba70$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 541 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > My beloved Buick Park Avenue was in an accident and is a total loss. > > I am purchasing a Ford Crown Victoria (96) and need to buy an aftermarket radio. > > One other thing that bothers me, the Crown Vic has one of those in the windshield antennas...I remember how lousy these used to work in the 70's..........I hope they are better then they used to be. Might want to run a carfax on it. Ford normally doesn't use windshield antennas. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 31 10:46:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87811 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 17:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 17:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 17:46:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 17:46:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:46:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: bandwidth of IBOC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1617 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW That IBOC takes the bandwidth of frequencies that the signal was not intended to be in is the main problem. First AND second adjacents. When WSAI was testing before the software became flaky and they stopped testing, Paul Jellison, regional Engineering director said it was obliterating the Indiana 1520 some 75 miles away at night, and someone from that station confirmed that the WSAI IBOC signal at night could be heard IN the station's control room on their air monitor. WSAI's digital signal EVEN was causing grief to WLAC during the early evenings and nights. Down this way if WLAC and WSAI go IBOC, all the 1520's here will have to sign off. The main reason that Ibiquity went to PAC is...it's their own, and AAC is someone elses, so they save money. Too bad it sounds BAAAD at low data rates. I have heard both WOR and WSAI's analog signal when IBOC is running. Even on a crummy sounding radio ( CC Radio) the audio sounded much less pleasing. It sounded flat and telephonic...as if the very bottom end had been rolled off, and sounded much more lifeless. On a wideband radio, WSAI's audio with the IBOC turned off and the bandwidth not restored, was EXCEPTIONALLY irritation to listen to. Fully implemented, I expect I will have NO local MW stations I can hear from where I am. What will it be like 10 years from now? I'm afraid to think of the ramifications. The most powerful 2 stations here, both 560 and 1320 have NOT ANY chance of IBOC working on their DA patterns. Maybe then I'll go to jail for trying to listen to skywave! < causic comment tossed in> Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 31 11:14:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37751 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 18:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 18:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 18:14:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 18:14:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:14:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Oh my ....I'm famous now.... ]:) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 274 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW WKDK is now up on Scott Fybush's site, and WBCU also. 2 full service community oriented AM stations that actually serve the community and play music! http://www.fybush.com Note my wideband radios in the main studio.....( I brought them up to show Scott..) Powell From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat May 31 12:07:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59840 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 19:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 19:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 19:07:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 19:07:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:07:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Car Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 508 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" > wrote: > > My beloved Buick Park Avenue was in an accident and is a total loss. > > > > I am purchasing a Ford Crown Victoria (96) and need to buy an > aftermarket radio. I love my Blaupunkt DigiCeiver. Hell of an AM section (sensitivity wise) and the selectivity on FM is second to none. Nice job on your station in SC! What's your format? From fanfare@globility.com Sat May 31 12:38:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23001 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 19:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 19:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 19:38:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 19:38:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:38:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Car Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 795 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.225 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > > > > I am purchasing a Ford Crown Victoria (96) and need to buy an > > aftermarket radio. > > > I love my Blaupunkt DigiCeiver. Hell of an AM section (sensitivity > wise) and the selectivity on FM is second to none. Having read your comments about the digiceiver before, I asked around of others in the BC biz who were looking for a good car radio. Only one had tried it and his comments were rather graphic. To wit; "It's the deafest (expletive deleted) thing I've ever tried." My apologies to you, sir. I'm not trying to discredit, only make you aware that nothing's ever perfect, or second to none. I've learned that in spades over 21 years of being in the FM receiver business. MS From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat May 31 13:14:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3678 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 20:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 20:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 20:14:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 20:14:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:14:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Car Stereo (receiver design) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1920 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" > wrote: > > > > > > I am purchasing a Ford Crown Victoria (96) and need to buy an > > > aftermarket radio. > > > > > > I love my Blaupunkt DigiCeiver. Hell of an AM section (sensitivity > > wise) and the selectivity on FM is second to none. > > Having read your comments about the digiceiver before, I asked around > of others in the BC biz who were looking for a good car radio. Only > one had tried it and his comments were rather graphic. To wit; "It's > the deafest (expletive deleted) thing I've ever tried." My apologies > to you, sir. I'm not trying to discredit, only make you aware that > nothing's ever perfect, or second to none. I've learned that in > spades over 21 years of being in the FM receiver business. > > MS The Digiceiver IS second to none... a great leap forward in receiver design that will only be championed by the Motorola Symphony chipset. I have spent years hearing about great tuners. Never have I used a tuner that is so obviously better than anything else in selectivity for FM and sensitivity for AM. Even my former benchmarks (for FM, the HH Scott 312 for home use and the Clarion 8203R for auto) aren't even close. The best features of the Digiceiver are the adaptive IF (which is defeatable... it can cause some distortion if there is lots of capture from another co-channel), the ability to defeat the blend circuit (why manufacturer's do this is beyond me... some are so bad that it sounds like a bad cassette tape rolling off the head) and seperate tone controls for AM/FM/CD so you can tweak the AM section for a nice sound without screwing with FM or CD. For those who like other features, I have yet to make the CD skip and it plays all sorts of CD-R's from all different burners. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 31 13:57:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19227 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 20:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 20:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 20:57:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 20:57:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:57:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Car Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 794 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" > > wrote: > > > My beloved Buick Park Avenue was in an accident and is a total > loss. > > > > > > I am purchasing a Ford Crown Victoria (96) and need to buy an > > aftermarket radio. > > > I love my Blaupunkt DigiCeiver. Hell of an AM section (sensitivity > wise) and the selectivity on FM is second to none. > > Nice job on your station in SC! What's your format? Full service, lots of local news and LOTS of local sports, music is AC with oldies. Right now I'm doing 60's and 70's oldies. Did 2 hours of 50's oldies earlier. Powell From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat May 31 14:48:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57924 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 21:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 21:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 21:48:17 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030531214811.LEJW2488.fed1mtao08.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 17:48:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:48:16 -0700 Subject: Re: Way OT: UK/Ireland TV clocks...in Flash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <95B1FE88-93B1-11D7-ABD7-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I think the Univac was put into service for Los Angeles Unified School District's Student Information Services ... On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 01:24 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > (And they've long > since retired the Univac computer originally responsible for > generating the "bong" sound.) > > > From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat May 31 15:25:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62455 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 22:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 22:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf23bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.195) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 22:25:28 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.199.197]) by imf23bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030531222741.OSMY24149.imf23bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 18:27:41 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c327c3$8a33ea70$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Car Stereo Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:25:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Antenna is the rear defroster, not in the front as I had thought. Juan > I am purchasing a Ford Crown Victoria (96) and need to buy an aftermarket radio. > > One other thing that bothers me, the Crown Vic has one of those in the windshield antennas...I remember how lousy these used to work in the 70's..........I hope they are better then they used to be. Might want to run a carfax on it. Ford normally doesn't use windshield antennas. Powell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat May 31 16:11:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6694 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 23:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 23:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 23:11:56 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-249.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.249]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h4VNBSoF019742 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 18:11:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002701c2cb22$a6dfb300$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: OT- cell phones and talk shows- was Re: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:21:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It's already happening. Laura Ingraham doesn't take callers on cell phones. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Sometimes even a schedule phone interview guest calls in using one of > these digital cell phones. Hopefully more radio stations will not be > hesitant to say "call back using a REAL phone, so we can actually > understand you". From fanfare@globility.com Sat May 31 17:04:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98590 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 00:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 00:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 00:04:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 00:04:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 00:04:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Car Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c327c3$8a33ea70$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 590 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > The Antenna is the rear defroster, not in the front as I had thought. > > > Same thing in the Intrigue. I'm testing a mobile version of our FM- 2G FM antenna. We've modified it to concentrate at 90MHz for those who like the NPE band. It also does pretty well on AM on a car radio. I had one on my Suburban fof about four years running into a Cybernet underdash receiver. While it's price tag might deter some, it has been a hit with those who travel a lot or live in marginally serviced areas. MS From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat May 31 17:56:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59339 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 00:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 00:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf39bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.143) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 00:56:10 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.199.197]) by imf39bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030601005824.QJRQ8516.imf39bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 20:58:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c327d8$97faef90$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Car Stereo Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:56:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anybody else had any experience with the rear defroster/ antenna ? If I remember correctly, the AM worked ok, but the FM was terrible on the Crown Vic car. The car belongs to my mother, and she is selling it to me, as apposed to trading it in. Anyway, I don't remember a whole lot about the reception...and it could be the stock Ford radio is not good. I have never been too impressed with them....anyway, I will find out tomorrow when I pick up the car. Juan Subject: {AMSF} Re: Car Stereo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > The Antenna is the rear defroster, not in the front as I had thought. > > > Same thing in the Intrigue. I'm testing a mobile version of our FM- 2G FM antenna. We've modified it to concentrate at 90MHz for those who like the NPE band. It also does pretty well on AM on a car radio. I had one on my Suburban fof about four years running into a Cybernet underdash receiver. While it's price tag might deter some, it has been a hit with those who travel a lot or live in marginally serviced areas. MS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat May 31 18:16:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96814 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 01:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 01:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 01:16:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 01:16:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 01:16:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 5-digit dialing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2494 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < amstereorules@m...> wrote: > > area codes had to have either a 0 or 1 as the middle digit, and > > the last two digits couldn't be the same > > This was due to the mechanical switching equipment used until the > > last 10~15 years in all central offices. Lucent's 5ESS Switch > > changed it all. Could you further explain this assertion? What was it that the # 5 ESS could do that previous switches couldn't do, that allowed the use of areas codes where the middle digit wasn't a 1 or a 0? It seems to me that you have this argument backwards, I would think that even the dumbest switch could deal with the numbering system we have today, while the scheme where the middle digit of the areas code is a 1 or a 0 takes a little bit more intelligence in the switch, but nothing that the more sophisticated electromechanical switches couldn't deal with, as the ESS didn't exist when the original numbering plan was put in place. I thought the new area code system generally requires a 1 to be prefixed to out of area numbers, preceding the area code? Even the dumbest electromechanical switch can handle this scheme, and is the reason the "1" prefix was invented in the first place, in the early days of Direct Distance Dialing, to enable the really dumb switches to deal with the area codes. The more sophisticated electromechanical switches recognized the 1 and 0 in the middle position of the area/ office code, and routed the call accordingly, with no need for a prefixed "1". Now with the new area code system we have come full circle, and require the "1" prefix on out of area calls, to be able to distinguish an area code from an office code. The only other way I can think of to do it would be to wait and see if more than 8 digits are dialed, but this delays the call somewhat, and can cause misdialing. What am I missing here, why does it take a # 5 ESS to deal with the new area/office code scheme? Why can't the older ESS machines do it, for that matter why can't an electromechanical switch do it? I understand that other new features like number portability are going to require a more sophisticated switch, although even there, I suspect an electromechanical switch could handle the job, as long as it had access to a computer database to do the number translations. Inquiring minds want to know why a # 5 ESS is required for this job, is there an iBiquity connection in all this? John From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat May 31 18:40:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37396 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 01:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 01:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.126) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 01:40:47 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-012scfairp0292.dialsprint.net ([63.189.177.38] helo=earthlink.net) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19MHq1-0005ID-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 31 May 2003 18:40:46 -0700 Message-ID: <3ED95A2A.E74F9C37@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:43:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Searching for AM STEREO on eBay References: <002501c327c3$8a33ea70$af78fea9@juan> From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Something a little off topic: A lot of people are not aware when they do a search on their internet browser or on eBay, etc., that they need to put phrases in quotation marks (") if they want to locate the exact item. For instance, if you were searching on eBay for something pertaining to AM Stereo in the title, just searching for AM Stereo without the quotation marks might result in a lot of items that don't actually have AM Stereo in the title. As an example, using AM Stereo without quotation marks might also bring up FM Stereo/ AM Mono, because the full title contains both AM and Stereo (although not in the right order). However, if you include the quotation marks around "AM Stereo", your search will only pull in items that contain the complete phrase AM Stereo. You can also add other words outside the quotation marks. As an example, you could search for "AM Stereo" Denon. That would pull up only Denon units and only those with AM Stereo. eBay also has an option that allows you to place a check mark in a field marked "in titles & descriptions", which not only searches through the titles, but through the item descriptions as well. I don't know if this will help anyone, but perhaps there is a member of our group that didn't know this! : ) Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Sat May 31 18:51:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52966 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 01:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 01:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 01:51:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 01:51:42 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66264 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 12:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 12:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 12:31:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 12:31:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 12:31:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 710 WOR audio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1634 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Jun 2003 01:51:40 -0000 Ah. You mentioned specifically the phone calls in your post, that's why I addressed that. Most of the time when you hear a "rush up", that is during a newscast. The news anchor position is located directly in the center of the news room.....there is no studio for news. And it's not intended to be soundproofed. If they shut up, the compression will pick up on the background noise, and there's a lot of noise in the newsroom. You also need to remember that, as opposed to our competitor, WOR is still utilizing 30 year old studio equipment that is troublesome and prone to buzzes and hums. This is being addressed in our rebuild. I have also been working on balancing the noise gates to prevent most of the rush up. Not an easy job. But corporate wants the analog signal loud, and that's what I give them. It should also be pointed out that the majority of our listeners are not listening in an environment where any excess noise makes an impact on them. Our listeners are typically listening in the car or on a simple table radio at home. And their main concern is that they are listening to their favorite program. We don't process for audiophiles nor do we pretend we do. Our radio networks, on the other hand, have simply peak limiting to prevent clipping the satellite uplink, and the audio is sent out pristine. Then again, we also encode with subaudible cueing so we roll off starting at about 60Hz, and it becomes an MP3 format at the uplink, so no matter what we do to it, once it hits the subaudible encoder and leaves the building, it's no longer as clean as we can make it. TR From tomray@wor710.com Sat May 31 18:52:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69617 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 01:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 01:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 01:52:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 01:52:37 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67977 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 12:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 12:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 12:38:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2003 12:38:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 12:38:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 866 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Jun 2003 01:52:34 -0000 Kevin: You're right about digital cell phone calls, but you should expand that to include MOST cell phone calls. We live in the largest City in the US....you'd think the cell phone companies would get their act together. However, this statement: > Sometimes even a schedule phone interview guest calls in using one of > these digital cell phones. Hopefully more radio stations will not be > hesitant to say "call back using a REAL phone, so we can actually > understand you". > is not fully realistic. When you get the governor, mayor, or a member of congress scheduled, you are told when they will call you, not the other way around. The first time you tell Pataki to have his driver pull over to a phone booth so he can be understood will be the last time you will get him as an interview. Sometimes you need to take what you're given. TR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 31 19:13:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52818 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 02:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 02:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 02:13:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 02:13:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 02:13:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Searching for AM STEREO on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3ED95A2A.E74F9C37@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 871 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.131 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > A lot of people are not aware when they do a search on their > internet browser or on eBay, etc., that they need to put phrases > in quotation marks (") if they want to locate the exact item. This also works with just about every Internet search engine out there (Yahoo, Google, etc.). BTW, Yahoo obtains its web search results from Google, so you might as well use Google (www.google.com) in the first place -- it has no on-screen advertising and lets you view a Cached version of web sites that no longer exist. eBay also supports wildcards when searching, so you can search for "Sony SRF*" and it'll bring up all of the Sony SRF-series radios (SRF-42, SRF-A100, etc.) that might be up for auction at that particular time. It's also useful to append an * onto the end of a particular word you're searching for, which will usually bring up more results. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat May 31 20:23:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72199 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 03:23:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 03:23:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 03:23:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 03:23:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 03:23:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Searching for AM STEREO on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 707 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > This also works with just about every Internet search engine out > there (Yahoo, Google, etc.). BTW, Yahoo obtains its web search > results from Google, so you might as well use Google (www.google.com) > in the first place -- it has no on-screen advertising and lets you > view a Cached version of web sites that no longer exist. Actually, Yahoo!'s serch engine is no longer powered by Google (and no, the results weren't FROM Google, just the search engine itself was the Google search engine, which Yahoo! was licensed to use), and is now powered by a search engine made by Hewlett-Packard. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat May 31 20:25:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: AMstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14022 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 03:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 03:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 03:25:45 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030601032536.NFRG2488.fed1mtao08.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:25:36 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:25:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Subject: Interesting ... To: AMstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone sent this to my bulletin board > 5/31.5/03 - "Digital radio still working bugs out. Sandards panel > deals firm setback." > "WASHINGTON -- A company named iBiquity Digital Corp. threw an > invitation-only shindig at National Public Radio several weeks ago to > showcase its technology for a new generation of digital radio > receivers." > "Called high-definition, or HD, radio, its ultraclear audio and other > innovations are regarded as the future of the medium, the biggest > advance in radio technology since FM." > "But iBiquity's demonstration was not well received. In fact, it went > so badly that it seems likely to delay the nationwide transition to > digital radio, which involves an obscure standards-setting > organization called the National Radio Systems Committee. The > committee was organized by the National Association of Broadcasters > and the Consumer Electronics Association." More at > www.post-gazette.com/nation/20030530radionat5.asp. Larry's tip. > > L.A. talk radio at http://members.tripod.com/~chinesecookery/ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From fanfare@globility.com Sat May 31 20:27:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2446 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 03:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 03:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 03:27:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 03:27:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 03:27:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Car Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c327d8$97faef90$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1567 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > Has anybody else had any experience with the rear defroster/ antenna ? > When GM strated putting a dipole in the windshield it was fraught with a lot of problems. Not only was it an 'iffy" performer, if the windshield got damaged, you had to pay for a windshield with an antenna. In my suburban, I had 3 windshields replaced due to stone bruises that cracked into the driver's view and 3 rear windows (with defroster coil). In any case, the insurance company raised my glass coverage to $250 deductible. Not surprisingly about $50. less than the total cost of either window. The rear window antenna in the Intrigue does not work very well at all. I live in the suburbs of Toronto. My favorite classical station transmits from behind the CN tower at about 700 feet. I get picket fencing in areas I never have had with a standard fender antenna. I think it's obvious that Detroit has found yet another way to glean a little more bottom line efficiency in their build by eliminating the need for a retractible antenna and incorporating both the antenna and the defroster coil in the rear window. Unfortunately, it is again at the expense of the buyer's right to the best reception scenario available, i.e a fender antenna. In defense, the manufacturer will say that antennas get ripped off in car washes. Car washes have taken steps so that they don't rip stuff of cars. The same thing happened to AM stereo. And that I would classify as a real "ripoff" ;-)) MS From fanfare@globility.com Sat May 31 20:35:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83001 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 03:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 03:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 03:35:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 03:35:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 03:35:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Interesting ... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 346 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Someone sent this to my bulletin board > > > 5/31.5/03 - "Digital radio still working bugs out. Sandards panel > > deals firm setback." Snip, snip> I would add this one to the pile as well, Richard. You gotta love the passion. "http://www.johnrook.com/" MS From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat May 31 20:35:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11273 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 03:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 03:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 03:35:54 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030601033547.MYJU4511.fed1mtao07.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:35:47 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:35:56 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Car Stereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <275B40D4-93E2-11D7-ABD7-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner The rear window antennas work fine on GM cars that I have driven, including my mom's Buick. I don't think it's obvious. > I think it's obvious that Detroit has found yet another way to glean > a little more bottom line efficiency in their build by eliminating > the need for a retractible antenna and incorporating both the antenna > and the defroster coil in the rear window. Unfortunately, it is again > at the expense of the buyer's right to the best reception scenario > available, i.e a fender antenna. In defense, the manufacturer will > say that antennas get ripped off in car washes. Car washes have taken > steps so that they don't rip stuff of cars. The same thing happened > to AM stereo. And that I would classify as a real "ripoff" ;-)) > > MS > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat May 31 21:30:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56031 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 04:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 04:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 04:30:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20030601043034.56348.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.118.176.107] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 May 2003 21:30:34 PDT Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Top of the Hour Chime? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Anybody know what happened to WJR's smooth 'chime' that used to sound at the top of the hour for the last 30 years? I wish that it would return. Does any of the other ABC-owned stations have a TOH chime (still)? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat May 31 21:39:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87335 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 04:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 04:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 04:39:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20030601043915.26124.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.118.176.107] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 May 2003 21:39:15 PDT Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: It Doesn't get any better than this To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Gang, I have been listening to CFCO this weekend on a new AM Stereo radio - and boy does it sound great! It doesn't distort on C-Quam heavy one-channel stereo audio, and the separation is fantastic! Audio frequency response meets or exceeds AMAX, and it has a 10KHz cut-off filter. High-end isn't quite as high as an SRF-A100 on full treble, but the sound is much, much "fuller" and much better bass response. When I get some CD's converted to WAV files I'll have to post one. In fact, I think I'll mail a CD of this CFCO recording to the folks at WOR and have them compare this to the IBOC. The CD's I'm recording are straight out of the tuner - no EQ, no filters, no monkeybusiness. I'm impressed. If everybody could hear this radio, they would buy one tomorrow and forget about digital. In fact, they should put a 'Digital' label on it (for the digital display) and leave it at that. A decent quality C-Quam radio is damn hard to beat, and I don't think HD/IBOC can beat it or even meet it. I'm tuning into a 10KW station a 2-hour drive away (CFCO) that sounds better than a local FM on a car tuner! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 00:02:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92496 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 07:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 07:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 07:02:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 07:02:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 07:02:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Dream radio redux Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1464 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Y'know, I never did fully describe my ideal radio, now did I? :) Well, I should deal with that, now. :) Let's see... AM stereo and FM stereo, obviously...but what else? Hmm.... One equally comfortable at home or as a portable, but no built-in speaker(s)- I like headphones, or I can find decent externals, if needed. Digitally tuned, suitable for world use. Antenna, power, line & headphone connects, and batteries when used as a portable. On the AM section, LW/MW/SW coverage up to 30 MHz, and as low as it can get- 150 kHz or lower. (I once tricked a Radio Shack DX-380 to tune down to 15 kHz.) As many AM stereo modes as possible (ideally any of the quadrature systems, incliding ISB, QUAM & C-QUAM, as well as AM/FM (RCA) & AM/PM (Magnavox)), as well as NBFM and SSB (that can work under a syunc detector). Perhjaps any arrangement between a sync detector and a PM/FM (direct conversion, not slope-detection) could be used, like a reverse of the RCA system, which I -think- is what the "Noise Free Radio" system is, but I haven't found anything yet on it. On the FM, also set up for world use, have tunable SCA and an experimental "Crosby" mode. Gee, that sounds like a lot, doesn't it? :) My poor SW radio's slowly going bad on my, so, well..... This is what I wish for. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (If I could find something on the old Soviet/OIRT FM stereo system, I might suggest adding that, too. Yes, I might be a radio masochist. :) ) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 00:17:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51733 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 07:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 07:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 07:17:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 07:17:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 07:17:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Car Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1531 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.131 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think it's obvious that Detroit has found yet another way to > glean a little more bottom line efficiency in their build by > eliminating the need for a retractible antenna and incorporating > both the antenna and the defroster coil in the rear window. "Cheapening-out" has been rampant in the automotive industry for years. For example, the 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee came with a power antenna and a locking gas cap. In 1996, Jeep reverted to a fixed antenna and a non-locking gas cap. No doubt this was done in order to accomodate the cost of the slight exterior and interior redesign the Grand Cherokee got that year. BTW, for those looking for a replacement fender-mount antenna, consider a Hirschmann. Some models, such as those installed in older Mercedes cars, are not only power-operated but also feature a rocker switch on the dashboard which lets you manually adjust the antenna's height (useful for reducing strong FM signal overload on less sophisticated radios) or retract it completely while the radio is on (to play tapes or CDs). My 1981 Mercedes 240D came with one of these neat Hirschmann antennas as standard equipment, and actually has *two* factory-installed coaxial cables running from the radio area in the dashboard to the trunk -- one for the AM/FM radio antenna, and another for an optional CB radio! (Even if you didn't order the car with a CB, you still got the extra cable, although you'd never know it unless you remove the trunk lining and see the end of it tucked away.) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 00:33:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48738 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 07:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 07:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 07:33:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 07:33:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 07:33:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: It Doesn't get any better than this Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030601043915.26124.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1195 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.131 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If everybody could hear this radio, they would buy one tomorrow and > forget about digital. Sounds good... what kind of radio is this? But you're right... switching from an old-generation AM Stereo radio (like your SRF-A100) to a modern AM Stereo radio using the latest C-Quam/AMAX design is like switching from a ceramic-cartridge phonograph to a magnetic- cartridge turntable. It's the same basic technology, but the improvement in quality is tremendous... and it proves that analog AM radio has a *lot* of potential that most listeners never get to experience. It's just like when you have somebody who's never heard an LP on anything better than a cheap BSR record changer, and play for them something like this: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/lp.mp3 That's one of the most interesting tracks from one of the greatest Stereo demonstration LPs ever recorded, "Persuasive Percussion". This is from the original 1959 LP, as played through a brand new Technics SL-BD20D turntable, processed with analog Dynamic Noise Reduction (DNR) and a bit of digital click/pop removal from Cool Edit Pro. And be warned, this song (called "I Love Paris") has a surprise ending!! From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 01:50:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71654 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 08:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 08:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 08:50:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 08:50:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 08:50:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dream radio redux Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 118 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Oh, yeah... And the seven NOAA weather frequencies, too. :) It's late, and I forgot about that. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 03:14:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23779 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 10:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 10:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 10:14:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 10:14:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 10:14:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 5-digit dialing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3443 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < > amstereorules@m...> wrote: > > > area codes had to have either a 0 or 1 as the middle digit, and > > > the last two digits couldn't be the same > > > This was due to the mechanical switching equipment used until the > > > last 10~15 years in all central offices. Lucent's 5ESS Switch > > > changed it all. I expect this was also available with a #1 ESS. Nortel's DMS series and all the other electronic switches probably could do that too. > Could you further explain this assertion? What was it that the # 5 > ESS could do that previous switches couldn't do, that allowed the >> use of areas codes where the middle digit wasn't a 1 or a 0? don't know. > It seems to me that you have this argument backwards, I would think > that even the dumbest switch could deal with the numbering system we > have today, while the scheme where the middle digit of the areas code > is a 1 or a 0 takes a little bit more intelligence in the switch, but > nothing that the more sophisticated electromechanical switches > couldn't deal with, as the ESS didn't exist when the original > numbering plan was put in place. It was very interesting that #5 crossbar in our area SC could not do overseas DDD but step switches could. > I thought the new area code system generally requires a 1 to be > prefixed to out of area numbers, preceding the area code? Even the > dumbest electromechanical switch can handle this scheme, and is the > reason the "1" prefix was invented in the first place, in the early > days of Direct Distance Dialing, to enable the really dumb switches to > deal with the area codes. The more sophisticated electromechanical > switches recognized the 1 and 0 in the middle position of the area/ > office code, and routed the call accordingly, with no need for a > prefixed "1". Now with the new area code system we have come full > circle, and require the "1" prefix on out of area calls, to be able to > distinguish an area code from an office code. > > The only other way I can think of to do it would be to wait and see if > more than 8 digits are dialed, but this delays the call somewhat, and > can cause misdialing. At one time DC and some large cities dialed area code and # for LD and 7 digits for local. ( No 1 first) That is changed. > What am I missing here, why does it take a # 5 ESS to deal with the > new area/office code scheme? Why can't the older ESS machines do >it, > for that matter why can't an electromechanical switch do it? for electronic ones it might be that the software upgrade was too much. > I understand that other new features like number portability are going > to require a more sophisticated switch, although even there, I suspect > an electromechanical switch could handle the job, as long as it had > access to a computer database to do the number translations. I don't think there are very many non electronic switches left. In the Bellsouth territory there are NONE...all are digital, with SOME #5 ESS's that are going to be eventually replaced with Nortel's DMS series. > Inquiring minds want to know why a # 5 ESS is required for this job, > is there an iBiquity connection in all this? I guess cause that all falls back to the original owner AT&T or their name this week.. Powell From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Jun 01 03:39:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37062 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 10:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 10:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 10:39:46 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-012scfairp2541.dialsprint.net ([63.189.176.255] helo=earthlink.net) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19MQFd-0001FJ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 03:39:46 -0700 Message-ID: <3ED9D87F.B7394B97@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 06:42:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} It Doesn't get any better than this References: <20030601043915.26124.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 A number of years ago when WGUL in the Tampa Bay area was still broadcasting in AM Stereo, I drove to a point approximately equidistant between their AM and FM transmitter towers, and switched back and forth between AM & FM on my (AMS) car radio. Everyone in the car agreed that the AM sounded better. Dick W. "John P." wrote: > Gang, I have been listening to CFCO this weekend on a new AM Stereo radio - and > boy does it sound great! It doesn't distort on C-Quam heavy one-channel stereo > audio, and the separation is fantastic! Audio frequency response meets or > exceeds AMAX, and it has a 10KHz cut-off filter. High-end isn't quite as high > as an SRF-A100 on full treble, but the sound is much, much "fuller" and much > better bass response. When I get some CD's converted to WAV files I'll have to > post one. > In fact, I think I'll mail a CD of this CFCO recording to the folks at WOR and > have them compare this to the IBOC. The CD's I'm recording are straight out of > the tuner - no EQ, no filters, no monkeybusiness. I'm impressed. If everybody > could hear this radio, they would buy one tomorrow and forget about digital. > In fact, they should put a 'Digital' label on it (for the digital display) and > leave it at that. A decent quality C-Quam radio is damn hard to beat, and I > don't think HD/IBOC can beat it or even meet it. I'm tuning into a 10KW > station a 2-hour drive away (CFCO) that sounds better than a local FM on a car > tuner! > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Jun 01 06:16:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31781 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 13:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 13:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 13:16:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 13:16:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 13:16:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Searching for AM STEREO on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3ED95A2A.E74F9C37@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 626 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.55.154 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Dick W wrote: > Something a little off topic: A lot of people are not aware when they do a > search on their internet browser or on eBay, etc., that they need to put phrases > in quotation marks (") if they want to locate the exact item. For instance, if > you were searching on eBay for something pertaining to AM Stereo in the title, > just searching for AM Stereo without the quotation marks might result in a lot of > items that don't actually have AM Stereo in the title. > But also "am stereo" brings up all the non am stereo radio's also so not ideal :-( From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 09:51:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58213 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 16:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 16:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 16:51:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 16:51:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:51:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dream radio redux Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 318 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Heh, one of these days, I'm going to get all my thoughts together on one subject and write just one post on it. Instead, this is my second addendum to my own dream radio. :) Another thing I forgot to add to the wishlist, is DRM, or at least the facilities to add DRM when something can be added. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 09:54:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73772 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 16:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 16:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 16:54:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 16:54:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:54:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dream radio redux Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 248 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Ah, heck- A third addendum. I really need to do something about this. :P Probably the least necessary thing I would want to add, but would be a nice touch is DNR. :) OK, I think that's enough. I'll shut up for a few hours. :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alfredot@inetarena.com Sun Jun 01 11:10:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94332 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 18:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 18:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 18:10:17 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust122.tnt16.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [67.227.163.122]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51I5gOt026218 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:08:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: (AM Stereo) truly bipartisan In-Reply-To: <1054305574.421.90302.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > Anyway - Times change and just as no one is tending that transmitter any > more so have many other things also changed. The changes they are a > coming. The public doesn't care as long as they can find the programming > that interests them. Ever notice that hardly anyone listens to NPR or PBS > compared to the balance of the offerings? Noncommercial station ratings are usually not published by Radio and Records Online and other sources, but the listenership to NPR affiliates in some markets is quite high. Some non-comm ratings are listed on the Radio Research Consortium Web site http://www.rrconline.org/arbitron/ From this report, the Portland FM NPR station pulls in a 7.8 share. Compare this to the top AM news competitors, KEX (4.2 share) and KXL (3.8 share). The downside is that KEX and KXL have discussions of local issues, whereas the NPR outlet has limited coverage of state-wide news and no local issues talk shows. Alfredo From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Jun 01 12:01:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15419 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 19:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 19:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 19:01:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 19:01:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 19:00:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dream radio redux Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 779 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > Heh, one of these days, I'm going to get all my thoughts together on > one subject and write just one post on it. Instead, this is my second > addendum to my own dream radio. :) > > Another thing I forgot to add to the wishlist, is DRM, or at least > the facilities to add DRM when something can be added. And don't forget to allow for the capability of adding an IBOC decoder. Given that litany of AM stereo systems you want to be able to decode, it sounds like what you really need is some sort of "mainframe" that includes the front-end and a selectable bandwidth phase linear IF section, which a number of slots where various AM stereo decoders could be plugged in as necessary. John From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 12:04:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44026 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 19:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 19:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 19:04:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 19:04:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 19:04:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: (AM Stereo) truly bipartisan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1999 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alfredo E. Torrejon" wrote: =snip= > KXL (3.8 share). The downside is that KEX and KXL have discussions of > local issues, whereas the NPR outlet has limited coverage of state- wide > news and no local issues talk shows. Sothedrn Oregon/Northwestern California has a regional version of NPR, called Jefferson Public Radio (JPR) (http://www.jeffnet.org/). I'm pretty much right in its southernmost listening area. They do cover regional issues. The most popular stations locally here are KHUM, KMUD, and KHSU. KHSU is the only non-commercial one of these. The other two are commercial versions of public radio, all locally generated. In addition, also popular here is a mostly-BBC broadcaster, KZPN. KHUM has a more rock-oriented version of itself, KSLG. The only networked commercial station that's doing really well is "Cool 105.5", KKHB, althouygh the two country stations, KRED and KEKA, are doing decently, as far as I can tell. All the above are FM. AM is now all talk radio, except for spanish on KNCR full service on KURY, and country on KPOD- But those three are weak here. Last I checked, KHUM was the only one locally using RDS, although that was before KSLG started, so trhey might be using it too. Don't have an RDS-capable radio handy. :( )Yes, that's on my wishlist, too, for my dream radio. :P ) Oh, and just to add to it, I'm always hearing about something being said on NPR, but not so often on the talkies. Good sign people are listening to NPR. :) (When KHSU was the only public-radio outlet, NPR actually was very popular on it, and I think still is. But with JPR broadcasting here, some of that has become redundant.) Much of NPR's programming, including news (and a live feed, I think) is at http://www.npr.org/, so enjoy, if you can't hear NPR on your local radio. Closest thing we have in the US to a CBC/BBC/(Aussie)ABC we have. (I do liken it most to CBC, I admit.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 12:09:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28726 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 19:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 19:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 19:09:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 19:09:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 19:09:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dream radio redux Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1356 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > Heh, one of these days, I'm going to get all my thoughts together on > > one subject and write just one post on it. Instead, this is my second > > addendum to my own dream radio. :) > > > > Another thing I forgot to add to the wishlist, is DRM, or at least > > the facilities to add DRM when something can be added. > > > And don't forget to allow for the capability of adding an IBOC > decoder. Given that litany of AM stereo systems you want to be able > to decode, it sounds like what you really need is some sort of > "mainframe" that includes the front-end and a selectable bandwidth > phase linear IF section, which a number of slots where various AM > stereo decoders could be plugged in as necessary. Aside from DRM/IBOC (it'll be easier to deal with DRM, considering the codec issue), there only needs to be two detectors: A sync detector to cover all the quadrature systems, and an FM/PM discriminator (possibly PLL based). The quadrature systems are just a matter of wiring, it seems, and what few extra stages that would be necessary. (JSG probably could design something for that, since like him, I prefer sync detection over envelope detection. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 01 14:19:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49125 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 21:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 21:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 21:19:55 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-95.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.95]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h51LJooG003295 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 16:19:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001301c2cbdc$2b69e8c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (AM Stereo) truly bipartisan Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 17:29:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude From whom (as if I really care!)? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "amymousie" > Oh, and just to add to it, I'm always hearing about something being > said on NPR, but not so often on the talkies. Good sign people are > listening to NPR. :) From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 01 14:22:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81925 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 21:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 21:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 21:22:19 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-95.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.95]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h51LMEoG003988 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 16:22:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001701c2cbdc$818c62a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (AM Stereo) truly bipartisan Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 17:32:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Scratch that last one- I can think of a few that do- Rush Limbaugh, Micheal Medved and Dennis Prager: all to tell us just how badly NPR bungled their handling of the news! ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "amymousie" > Oh, and just to add to it, I'm always hearing about something being > said on NPR, but not so often on the talkies. Good sign people are > listening to NPR. :) From fanfare@globility.com Sun Jun 01 14:52:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53227 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 21:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 21:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 21:52:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2003 21:52:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:52:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Car Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <275B40D4-93E2-11D7-ABD7-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 451 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > The rear window antennas work fine on GM cars that I have driven, > including my mom's Buick. I don't think it's obvious. > > > I think it's obvious that Detroit has found yet another way to glean > > a little more bottom line efficiency in their build by eliminating > > the need for a retractible antenna I think we're entitled to disagree, Richard. MS From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jun 01 16:40:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60383 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 23:40:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 23:40:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 23:40:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 16:39:59 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 23:39:59 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Car Stereo Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 23:39:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2003 23:39:59.0948 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DABD8C0:01C32897] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Hi Juan, Let me know one way or another as to whether or not you receive the c.d. by Wednesday or Thursday. In reference to you car being totaled; hopefully you didn't suffer any injuries. Rear defroster/antennas can work out well, I hope the car you're buying from you mom has good radio reception. My parents' have a 2003 Toyota Avalon and their rear window antenna works well so I know it's possible. Also I wrote a letter to the editor of the Stuart News and it was published today (Sunday 1 June 2003). I was disagreeing with their lead editorial from Thursday's paper advocating Michael Powell's further deregulation of the media. I would have written to Bob Betcher as well, but as far as I know I am still a "person-non-grata" in his book! Anyway, I'm glad it appeared in the Sunday paper, since Sunday's paper has a greater circulation than Monday through Saturday. donn here is the url for the letter to the editor; mine is the third letter on this url. http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/the_news_letters/article/0,1651,TCP_1032_2002893,00.html _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bjackson@indyradio.com Sun Jun 01 19:43:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17942 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 02:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 02:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 02:43:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2003 02:43:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 02:43:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Searching for AM STEREO on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 529 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > But also "am stereo" brings up all the non am stereo radio's also so > not ideal :-( Doing a quick search tonight finds a few AM stereo radios: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3027066005&category=3281 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=2176757202&category=932 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=2177039342&category=932 - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - http://www.indyradio.com From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jun 01 19:53:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34726 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 02:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 02:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 02:53:27 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.14d.1fd1767a (4246) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14d.1fd1767a.2c0c1623@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:53:23 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR having HD exciter upgraded To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The winner is...C-QUAM AM Stereo, HANDS DOWN! No Digital on AM! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jun 01 19:53:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34889 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 02:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 02:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 02:53:32 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.93.2e9ab772 (4246) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <93.2e9ab772.2c0c1625@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:53:25 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (AM Stereo) truly bipartisan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Fairness Doctrine should really be restored...this is why corporate radio is so unattractive to listeners in the first place! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jun 01 19:53:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49018 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 02:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 02:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 02:53:32 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.1c1.a6c5518 (4246) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c1.a6c5518.2c0c1626@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:53:26 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 710 WOR dumps IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBOC should be banned permanently...a separate band MUST BE FOUND (even if it means allocating part of the current UHF-TV band). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jun 01 19:53:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87252 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 02:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 02:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 02:53:36 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.a8.1dbcc5b2 (4246) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:53:28 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: truly bipartisan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think America should get rid of the Libretarians...they're for turning the United States into another Somalia. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jun 01 19:53:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26336 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 02:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 02:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 02:53:38 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.1e9.9f6e4b0 (4246) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e9.9f6e4b0.2c0c1627@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:53:27 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC's proposal to abdicate their responsibilities to the public To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donn, I've already contacted the elected officials where I live AND where I work. Where I live (MO), I've contacted Senators Kit Bond and Jim Talent (both Republicans) and Representative William L. Clay, Jr. (a Democrat). Representative Clay and Senator Bond have already written back; Representative Clay has already expressed his concern over what further deregulation will do to consumers. Where I work (IL), I've contacted Senators Dick Durbin (D) and Peter Fitzgerald (R), plus Representative John Shimkus (R). Further deregulation will also hinder further development of AM Stereo, but also put more harm on our economy by needlessly putting thousands more people out of work. None of the 13,000 job cuts in radio since 1996 were needed, either. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 20:03:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16897 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 03:03:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 03:03:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 03:03:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2003 03:03:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 03:03:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Searching for AM STEREO on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 451 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Doing a quick search tonight finds a few AM stereo radios: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3027066005&category=3281 Note that the "&category=..." tags in eBay URLs are not needed to view the item's page and may be omitted. That way the URL should fit onto a single line without wrapping around. By this method, the first URL in shortened form would be: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3027066005 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 20:14:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96654 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 03:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 03:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 03:14:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2003 03:14:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 03:14:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New WOR-HD audio sample Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1207 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics On Sunday afternoon I caught 710 WOR not only transmitting without IBOC (as they have for the past week), but also with full 10 kHz analog audio bandwidth. I'm not sure if they were using the Harris DX-50 transmitter or the old Continental, either way, it sounded very good, despite WOR's perpetually aggressive audio processing. With a good wide-bandwidth receiver, I recorded a sample of WOR's "High Definition" analog audio, at a location 25 miles from their transmitter site, using only the radio's built-in ferrite bar antenna. You can listen and judge for yourself the quality and fidelity of the resulting audio: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/710wor.mp3 I think *this* is what is really worthy of being called "HD Radio". It may not be in Stereo, but it is crisp, clean, and noise-free. Alas, mono analog AM radio may be 85-year-old technology, but when done right, it still has a lot to offer. p.s. Note if you are browsing the FTP site, ignore the file called "wor-hifi.mp3". It is the result of an upload attempt that stopped halfway, and with the FTP server's permissions, I couldn't delete or overwrite this file. "710wor.mp3" is the full, correct version of this file. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Jun 01 20:15:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79531 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 03:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 03:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf39bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.143) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 03:15:39 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.87.66]) by imf39bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030602031751.EFDJ4364.imf39bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:17:51 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c328b5$3ddb4e00$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: truly bipartisan Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:15:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey now..... Less Government is good. God Bless the Libretarians. Never electable, but IMHO, they have the right message. Less Government , means more Liberty and Freedom. Just my two cents.... Turn the US into Somalia ? What the F*** . Where do you get that from ? Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: n0uiheric@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: truly bipartisan I think America should get rid of the Libretarians...they're for turning the United States into another Somalia. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Sun Jun 01 21:10:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52551 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 04:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 04:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 04:10:57 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h524At703678 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:10:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:10:55 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC's proposal to abdicate their responsibilities to the public In-Reply-To: <1e9.9f6e4b0.2c0c1627@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > by needlessly putting thousands more people out of work. None of the > 13,000 job cuts in radio since 1996 were needed, either. This is the real tragedy! Profits ahead of jobs. It's bad enough in other industries - but in the media it is wreckless and dangerous. Frankly we (the listening public) deserve better. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 21:19:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48177 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 04:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 04:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 04:19:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20030602041941.32472.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.195] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:19:41 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC's proposal to abdicate their responsibilities to the public To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Should come to New Zealand-They say they broadcast only for their shareholders.As for AM Stereo They never heard of it here. michael --- Ian Davidson wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > > > by needlessly putting thousands more people out of > work. None of the > > 13,000 job cuts in radio since 1996 were needed, > either. > > This is the real tragedy! > > Profits ahead of jobs. It's bad enough in other > industries - but in the > media it is wreckless and dangerous. > > Frankly we (the listening public) deserve better. > > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Jun 01 21:42:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74790 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 04:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 04:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 04:42:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:42:26 -0700 Received: from 172.202.12.72 by bay7-dav31.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 04:42:25 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <1c1.a6c5518.2c0c1626@aol.com> Subject: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:42:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2003 04:42:26.0132 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DA3C940:01C328C1] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.202.12.72] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > IBOC should be banned permanently...a separate band MUST BE FOUND (even if it means allocating part of the current UHF-TV band). A better and cheaper alternative would be to allocate 88.MHz to 91.9 MHz to Digital Audio Broadcasting. Since the "Educational" FM band is not being used for it's intended purpose, It would be no great loss to get rid of the Non-Profit stations that now occupy that band. This new Digital band could be used to re-locate former Daytime AMs to help clear up the "Clears" and allow the AM Clears to simulcast on the Digital Band indefinitely. The best plan would re-locate all of the Class B and D stations to Digital only, leaving Class 1-A 50KW Non-Directional 24 Hour stations on the AM band. simulcasting on Digital only on the condition they broadcast in C-QUAM Stereo and meet certain audio standards on the analog signal. Over 60% of their programming must be produced in the main studio located in the City Of License. Channels like 880 that have more than one Class A station would have all but one station re-located to the former Class 3 channels. Class C Locals would remain as-is, but would be allowed a digital channel if they agree to broadcast in C-QUAM on the AM. Class Bs on the X-band would be upgraded to Class 1-A 50KW ND 24 Hour stations, with an option to remain at 10KW only on the condition they broadcast in Stereo. The former "Superpower" stations from the 30's would be allowed a maximum of 1,000,000 Watts, minimum of 50 KW 24 hours. All AMs would be allowed to go silent, Reduce power, Broadcast in Mono, and /or broadcast test tones for any time needed from 24:00 - 23:59 on Sundays for repairs and maintenance. One company could not own more than 4 AM stations nationwide, Including class 1-As and Class Cs. In order to conserve the limited space on the new digital band, AM-FM combos and clusters in the same market would be required to broadcast their AMs and former AMs on digital sub carriers on their existing FM signals. All school owned educational FM stations would be moved to 88.MHz with a maximum ERP of 50 watts. Kevin From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Jun 01 21:55:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79587 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 04:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 04:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 04:55:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2003 04:55:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 04:55:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1013 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.114.55 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > > A better and cheaper alternative would be to allocate 88.MHz to 91.9 MHz to > Digital Audio Broadcasting. Since the "Educational" FM band is not being > used for it's intended purpose, It would be no great loss to get rid of the > Non-Profit stations that now occupy that band. Well gee, how nice you lump us all together. I realize alot of these stations are NPR repeaters, but some DO serve the purpose they were intended to.... teach the next generation about radio... even though that seems to be difficult when I also have to tell them that there aren't many on-air jobs open because stations don't use nights and weekends to break in new talent. So we do it (and do it right)! > All school owned educational FM stations would be moved to 88.MHz with a > maximum ERP of 50 watts. How generous. Now our spot on the dial can be taken up by more cookie-cutter radio. Serving the public interest again! From ian_davidson@hotmail.com Mon Jun 02 01:30:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian_davidson@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86069 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 08:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 08:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 08:30:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 01:30:21 -0700 Received: from 138.194.15.102 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 08:30:21 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ian_davidson@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC's proposal to abdicate their responsibilities to the public Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:30:21 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2003 08:30:21.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[35113A60:01C328E1] From: "Ian Davidson" X-Originating-IP: [138.194.15.102] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83045090 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Then Michael Start spreading the word! When IBOC fails there could well be a renaissance in AM stereo in North America - which would inevitably spill over here. I've read where many NZBC stations are AMS ready - it just never happened. But anything's possible! I find it a bit sad the way NZ radio has been "set free". Sure you get more quantity - but what of quality? It's also strange that NZ went that way when we haven't. Generally your country seems to follow Betty Windsor and we follow Uncle Sam. In this instance I think Oz got it right. Ian Melbourne >From: Michael and Ross Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: >amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC's proposal to >abdicate their responsibilities to the public Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 >21:19:41 -0700 (PDT) > >Should come to New Zealand-They say they broadcast only for their >shareholders.As for AM Stereo They never heard of it here. michael --- Ian >Davidson wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > This is the >real tragedy! > > Profits ahead of jobs. It's bad enough in other > >industries - but in the > media it is wreckless and dangerous. > > Frankly >we (the listening public) deserve better. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 01:54:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23730 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 08:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 08:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 08:54:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20030602085405.41591.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.195] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 01:54:05 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 01:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC's proposal to abdicate their responsibilities to the public To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus --- Ian Davidson wrote: >I've read where many NZBC stations are AMS ready - it just never happened. But anything's possible! Well theyre spending $ on those stations that have an almost total coverage in AM to simulcast them in FM Mono. They cite reasons like AM doesn't cover well in buildings,computerised enviroments ,who has AM Stereo recievers etc etc. As for the rest of our stations they will never go AM Stereo as some are partly owned by the clear channel here with some owned by Canwest and the rest by UCB Religious Holdings-and they never would use above 1602AM here. Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 03:11:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98891 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 10:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 10:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 10:11:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2003 10:11:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 10:11:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC's proposal to abdicate their responsibilities to the public Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 546 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" wrote: =snip= > It's also strange that NZ went that way when we haven't. Generally your > country seems to follow Betty Windsor and we follow Uncle Sam. In this > instance I think Oz got it right. I think so, too. The way radio seems to be arranged in Australia seems far fairer than our free-for-all here in the US, INCLUDING the powerr limits for all non-government broadcasters- 5kW is plenty strong enough to cover most large cities. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From spfleck@citlink.net Mon Jun 02 04:20:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spfleck@citlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43157 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 11:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 11:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 11:20:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2003 11:20:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 11:20:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 494 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Steve Fleckenstein" X-Originating-IP: 170.215.247.204 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2988995 X-Yahoo-Profile: n2ubp --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > > Well gee, how nice you lump us all together. I realize alot of > these stations are NPR repeaters,................ In my region this bandwidth would be better served with a bit more "Non-Prophet" radio and less "We're goin' to save your souls, sinners" style of broadcasting. I can put up with one or two anti Satan stations on the band, but not 5 or 10 and half of them are all the same simulcast. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 05:55:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62250 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 12:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 12:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 12:55:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20030602125503.64475.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 05:55:03 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 05:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: This is one Sweet Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I can't pull your chains any more - this spectacular radio I'm listening to is the Fanfare FTA-100. The Fanfare makes listening to the radio fun again. Think back 20 years when you could listen to FM with some actual separation, great sensitivity and lack of background noise and the 1st AM Stereo stations were on the air with some great separation and decent frequency response as well. If I had to say what one item made this different from every other radio on the planet is the really great stereo separation on both the AM & FM bands and the "full" sound that seems to be missing from tuners these days. Very smooth stereo blending, in fact it takes about 5 seconds for the AM stereo to go from a mono blend to a stereo blend. This is not a DXing radio, but better yet, one with some damn good bandwidth. The AM is definitely AMAX stereo and appears to go out to almost the 10.2KHz limits (with whistle filter) and the FM appears to be 300KHz wide! Listening to music on WJR-AM Sunday morning would bring a tear to your eyes knowing how decent they sound and that half of their listeners don't even realize what spectacular stereo audio they broadcast. Truly an unbelievable "full" sounding radio - it may be best to say it has a warm analog audio sound despite being in the digital age. When this tuner gets the "Omega treatment" for noise reduction, no radio will be able to touch it, as I doubt there's any that can now. How about a mobile version Mr. Fanfare? I give it 5 stars! * * * * * of 5. PS: I wish I had the money to ship an FTA-100 to iBiquity and tell them this is what we want AM radio to sound like - no artifacts, no swirlies, no hash! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dougharding@mindspring.com Mon Jun 02 07:35:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23085 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 14:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 14:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 14:35:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2003 14:35:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:35:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: This is one Sweet Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030602125503.64475.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2854 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I agree! I purchased two of these just a month ago. One for the bedroom and one for the living room. Here in Miami a new classical music station on AM 1360 has signed on and on the fanfare tuner they sound better then most FM stations here in Miami. Unfortunatly they are not broacasting C-quam stereo yet but I am trying to talk them into it. They were going to try IBOC digital stereo first. I also own a Carver TX-11a which I have in my den and I think the Fanfare sounds better on both AM and FM. It really does have a very warm sound to it and yes it does go out to 10.2khz on AM. Marv did tell me that before they shipped my two they installed an upgrade that brought the noise level down 6db. Anyone hearing this tuner and comparing it to IBOC would reach the same conclusion I have which is If The current AM stereo broadcast system sounds this good why fix something that is not broken. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > I can't pull your chains any more - this spectacular radio I'm listening to is > the Fanfare FTA-100. The Fanfare makes listening to the radio fun again. > > Think back 20 years when you could listen to FM with some actual separation, > great sensitivity and lack of background noise and the 1st AM Stereo stations > were on the air with some great separation and decent frequency response as > well. If I had to say what one item made this different from every other radio > on the planet is the really great stereo separation on both the AM & FM bands > and the "full" sound that seems to be missing from tuners these days. Very > smooth stereo blending, in fact it takes about 5 seconds for the AM stereo to > go from a mono blend to a stereo blend. This is not a DXing radio, but better > yet, one with some damn good bandwidth. The AM is definitely AMAX stereo and > appears to go out to almost the 10.2KHz limits (with whistle filter) and the FM > appears to be 300KHz wide! Listening to music on WJR-AM Sunday morning would > bring a tear to your eyes knowing how decent they sound and that half of their > listeners don't even realize what spectacular stereo audio they broadcast. > Truly an unbelievable "full" sounding radio - it may be best to say it has a > warm analog audio sound despite being in the digital age. When this tuner gets > the "Omega treatment" for noise reduction, no radio will be able to touch it, > as I doubt there's any that can now. How about a mobile version Mr. Fanfare? > I give it 5 stars! * * * * * of 5. > > PS: I wish I had the money to ship an FTA-100 to iBiquity and tell them this is > what we want AM radio to sound like - no artifacts, no swirlies, no hash! > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 09:14:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78993 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 16:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 16:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 16:14:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2003 16:14:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 16:14:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: A sad day... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 614 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie A sad day for broadcasting in America- The FCC, as expected, has approved, along party lines, Docket 02-277. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story&cid=513&e=3&u=/ap/20030602/ap_on_go_ot/media_ownership (Cut & paste as needed.) More than 500,000 comments against this ruling, and still, they go against the Public's will. It's time we need to pressure our congresscritters (rats though they may be) to change the FCC, since it's THEIR responsibility to oversee the FCC as a Congressional agency. I am otherwise speechless and appalled. This is America at its worst. Amy, a sad mousie. <:3 )~~8~ From ido8bit@godisdead.com Mon Jun 02 09:24:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido8bit@godisdead.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86374 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 16:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 16:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 16:24:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2003 16:24:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 16:24:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Pioneer TX-221ZA tuner connector pinout *with pics*? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1516 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "motenchi_youta" X-Originating-IP: 211.28.150.57 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102500048 X-Yahoo-Profile: motenchi_youta --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "motenchi_youta" > wrote: > > I picked up a Pioneer TX-221ZA AM stereo tuner today, but it was > part > > of a mini system and has a 6 pin connector on the back. > > > > Does anybody have a pinout for this connector? > > Can you describe the connector, or take a picture and post it > somewhere? (Not to the list itself, since attatchments aren't > allowed.) > > If we have a better idea, someone here should be able to help you > with your dilemma. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I've put some pictures up at: http://www.geocities.com/motenchi_youta/tx221za.html One idea that I had... The tuner has memory, but no memory battery on the PCB. Maybe it requires standby power from the system via the multi-pin connector? I know some car radios will not power up at all if the standby power is not connected. Maybe this tuner won't power up without standy power connected in addition to the main power? Also, there are points on the board marked AC. On this PCB they aren't connected. There's enough space in the case for a small transformer, perhaps a standalone version of this tuner was also made? I've found a few mentions service manual for the system it is meant to used with via google. It's not available for download though. I'm reluctant to buy a copy of the manual dealer on the otherside or the world when it may not contain the information that I need. From fanfare@globility.com Mon Jun 02 09:50:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16224 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 16:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 16:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 16:50:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2003 16:50:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 16:50:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FCC rules in favor of expansion Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 459 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy FCC Changes Media Ownership Rules On 3-2 Vote WASHINGTON-June 2: The Federal Communications Commission this morning voted to change the nation's media ownership rules, raising television ownership caps to 45 percent and permitting television- newspaper cross-ownership. Here's the FCC's press release describing the Commission's vote this morning on media ownership limits: http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2003/db0602/DOC- 235047A1.pdf From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 10:23:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73206 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 17:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 17:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 17:23:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20030602172345.93361.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 10:23:45 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Actually mentions C-QUAM Stereo! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From the WJR-AM 760 Website: "Today, WJR operates still on 760 kHz with 50,000 watts (non-directionally) and is Michigan’s eighth oldest continuously licensed AM broadcast station. Licensee of the ABC information Network affiliate is ABC Inc. (a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Walt Disney Co.). Offices and studios are located at 3011 West Grand Boulevard, Ste. 800, Detroit, MI 48202. Michael Fezzey is President and General Manager of the full-service, news/talk formatted outlet, which operates 24 hours a day in C-QUAM AM stereo. " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Jun 02 10:30:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33151 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 17:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 17:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 17:30:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:30:12 -0700 Received: from 172.128.96.233 by bay7-dav29.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 17:30:11 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:29:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2003 17:30:12.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F25F2B0:01C3292C] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.128.96.233] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Steve Fleckenstein wrote: > In my region this bandwidth would be better served with a bit more "Non-Prophet" radio and less "We're goin' to save your souls, sinners" style of broadcasting. Another good reason to do away with the non-profit FM band! It was never intended to be a pulpit for "Brother Stair" or Gene Scott to rant from 24/7. Kevin From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Jun 02 11:23:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40574 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 18:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 18:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 18:23:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2003 18:23:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:23:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2828 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.240 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" < possumhunter@n...> wrote: > > A better and cheaper alternative would be to allocate 88.MHz to 91.9 > MHz to Digital Audio Broadcasting. Since the "Educational" FM band > is not being used for it's intended purpose, It would be no great > loss to get rid of the Non-Profit stations that now occupy that > band. This new Digital band could be used to re-locate former > Daytime AMs to help clear up the "Clears" and allow the AM Clears to > simulcast on the Digital Band indefinitely. > > The best plan would re-locate all of the Class B and D stations to > Digital only, leaving Class 1-A 50KW Non-Directional 24 Hour > stations on the AM band. No, No, that isn't good enough, forget the "Digital Audio Broadcasting" completely, here's the real "AM" improvement plan. All existing US MW AM stations would be reassigned to the FM band, which would be reorganized as follows. Channel spacing in what is currently known as the FM broadcast band would be reduced from the current 200 kHz spacing in the US, to 20 kHz creating 1,000 broadcast channels in the 88 to 108 MHz band. Modulation would be changed from FM, to AM stereo, after all "AM-Stereo-Rules". Since new radios would be needed anyway there would be no requirement to cater to legacy radios with compromised systems like C-Quam. The Harris QUAM AM stereo system with a "fixed angle" of 90 degrees would be the standard. In the current MW band, 10 "clear channel" stations would be assigned in what is now known as the "X-band", from 1,600 to 1,700 kHz. There would be only one station on each of these channels in the US, whose primary function would be to provide nighttime skywave service over wide areas. These 10 channels would be auctioned off by the FCC, and the use of AM stereo would be required. The rest of the MW band from 540 kHz to 1,600 kHz would be opened up to unlicensed enhanced "part 15" community and personal broadcasting. Anyone would be free to start a community or personal radio station in this band, as long as they complied with the technical restrictions. The station operator would be free to pick the frequency of his/her choice as long as they kept their carrier frequency within 20 Hz of a multiple of 10 kHz. Field strength would be limited to 10 mV/M at one kilometer, and anyone caught cheating on the field strength limit would be forever banned from further broadcasting in the MW community/personal broadcast band. Transmitters would also be required to meet an emission mask similar to that used on the MW band in the US today. The use of AM stereo would be encouraged, but not required, in this community/personal broadcasting band. There you have it, the comprehensive "AM-Stereo-Rules" AM broadcast improvement plan. John From fanfare@globility.com Mon Jun 02 11:35:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74805 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 18:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 18:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 18:35:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2003 18:35:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:35:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: This is one Sweet Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030602125503.64475.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 953 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > I can't pull your chains any more - this spectacular radio I'm listening to is > the Fanfare FTA-100. The Fanfare makes listening to the radio fun again. > It's nice to be vindicated for taking such a narrow-minded approach to AM stereo. A very warm and heartfelt thank you to John P and to Doug H for airing their own, independent findings. IMHO, it is clearly a waste not to have AM stereo in operation everywhere. Certainly, we've been able to make improvements on the original concept. That's what progress is all about. I'm sure the same would apply to IBOC if it were considered a benefit to broadcast reception in its present form. We could have said the jury is still out on that. But it looks like the Judge has declared a mistrial. I can also tell you that our philosophy of "non obsolescence" means the original investment is never lost. MS From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Jun 02 13:33:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88848 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 20:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 20:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 20:33:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2003 20:33:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:33:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: This is one Sweet Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030602125503.64475.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2299 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.179 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > I can't pull your chains any more - this spectacular radio I'm > listening to is the Fanfare FTA-100. The Fanfare makes listening to > the radio fun again. > > Think back 20 years when you could listen to FM with some actual > separation, great sensitivity and lack of background noise and the > 1st AM Stereo stations were on the air with some great separation > and decent frequency response as well. If I had to say what one > item made this different from every other radio on the planet is the > really great stereo separation on both the AM & FM bands and the > "full" sound that seems to be missing from tuners these days. Maybe someone can explain to me what causes "really great stereo separation"? I suspect that this has nothing to do with the electrical separation, which some here have claimed must be 40 dB or better for really great stereo, but I suspect really great stereo can be achieved with relatively low electrical separation, and in fact I suspect that "really great stereo separation" may imply poor electrical separation! I have been thinking about this issue since listening to the Omega/Fanfare KABL file on my wife's computer a couple of weeks ago, as my antique computer is not capable of playing these files. I noticed that on the KABL file, the stereo sound extended over a foot on each side of the computer speakers, which are set only 12 inches apart, with a distance of 24 inches at the most between the speakers and my ears. I have noticed the same effect with some commercials, and parts of DVDs on our television set, where the speakers are only 22 inches apart, and the listening distance is about 14 feet. I have also heard the same effect on my car radio, although not in a long time, as I mostly listen in mono on the car radio. I have never noticed this effect on a large stereo system where the speakers are set wider apart. Does anyone know exactly how this wider than the speakers effect is achieved? I suspect that it is a psycho acoustic effect that is achieved by some processing somewhere in the audio chain, which could be the broadcast station, in the television set, or in the computer, does anyone have any ideas on this? John From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Jun 02 14:14:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53394 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 21:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 21:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.114) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 21:14:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:14:29 -0700 Received: from 172.164.204.55 by bay7-dav10.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 21:14:29 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: This is one Sweet Radio Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:14:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2003 21:14:29.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4691800:01C3294B] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.164.204.55] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 bta_50g wrote: >Does anyone know exactly how this wider than the speakers effect is achieved? The station could be using a Modulation Sciences StereoMaxx Spatial Image Enlarger, or using the built in Stereo expander in the Audio Processor. Both the Omnia and Optimod AM Stereo processors have stereo expanders, but I think the StereoMaxx sounds better. Kevin From fanfare@globility.com Mon Jun 02 14:49:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65456 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 21:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 21:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 21:49:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2003 21:49:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 21:49:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Actually mentions C-QUAM Stereo! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030602172345.93361.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 428 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > From the WJR-AM 760 Website: > > "Today, WJR operates still on 760 kHz with 50,000 watts (non- directionally) and > is Michigan's eighth oldest continuously licensed AM broadcast station. We have another FTA-100 user in the (Wayne County MI) are that regulary receives WJR, CFCO and WGN Chicago in AM stereo, and this with a Terk antenna. MS From amstereorules@msn.com Mon Jun 02 15:43:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98898 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 22:43:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 22:43:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 22:43:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2003 22:43:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 22:43:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: This is one Sweet Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 917 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >I noticed that on the KABL file, the stereo sound >extended over a foot on each side of the computer speakers, which >are set only 12 inches apart, with a distance of 24 inches at the >most between the speakers and my ears. Does anyone know exactly how >this wider than the speakers effect is achieved? Yes, there is deliberate phasing introduced between the two stereo channels, where some_(not all)_of the right channel frequencies are sent to the left channel out of phase, and some of the left channel is sent to the right channel. This actually degrades the original stereo separation from the source material, however it gives the listener the illusion that they are listening to much larger and far spaced speakers. SRS Laboratories invented one approach to this scheme. JOHN P:Congrats on the Fanfare purchase. What was the selling end price? -Mario Orazio Remember, AMStereoRules From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 16:37:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79870 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 23:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 23:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 23:37:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2003 23:36:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:36:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: This is one Sweet Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1863 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The station could be using a Modulation Sciences StereoMaxx Spatial > Image Enlarger, or using the built in Stereo expander in the Audio > Processor. Both the Omnia and Optimod AM Stereo processors have > stereo expanders, but I think the StereoMaxx sounds better. I'm pretty sure 1600 WWRL in New York City used a StereoMaxx during their AM Stereo days (1997-2000), and they were one heck of a great- sounding station, especially during the long time in which they forgot to enable their NRSC filter, resulting in a transmitted audio bandwidth of almost 18 kHz! The StereoMaxx gives a very full, rich, and spacious sound, and yet amazingly retains full separation from older recordings, unlike a passive boost of the L-R component which actually *reduces* the separation from songs that are already pushing things all the way to the Left and Right. It also sounds great in MONO, too, another sign of its highly refined approach to stereo expansion. The overall effect is not "in-your-face", but if you listen to the same music on a regularly-processed station, especially on FM, it suddenly sounds much more "thin" and "weak". Here's one stunning example of how WWRL sounded with their StereoMaxx and unrestricted audio bandwidth: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/usa/ny/wwrlnews.mp3 The one time I heard this same song on an FM station, it sounded like a completely different recording, and it frankly was very disappointing in comparison to how it sounded on 1600 WWRL. (And BTW, this particular aircheck of WWRL was recorded at a location outside of their 0.5 mV/m coverage area, using a Sony SRF-A100 and a little help from a Terk AM Advantage antenna.) If you can wait for the download, here's another excellent example of WWRL in AM Stereo: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/usa/ny/wwrlhist.mp3 Alas, if only IBOC could sound this good! From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Jun 02 16:59:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2578 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 23:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 23:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.111) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 23:59:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:59:22 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:59:21 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: Senator Dorgan's proposal to overturn FCC decision Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:59:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2003 23:59:22.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCF2CBD0:01C32962] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 This gentleman from North Dakota was on the PBS News Hour (as was Michael, lying through his teeth, Powell). DORGAN PREDICTS CONGRESS WILL OVERTURN FCC DECISION TO LIFT OWNERSHIP LIMITS He says FCC's decision is "dumb" and "dangerous" (WASHINGTON, D.C.) --- Senator Byron Dorgan (D-ND) predicted Monday Congress will overturn the Federal Communications Commission's (FCC) decision to lift media ownership limits, calling the decision both "dumb and dangerous." "This is the fastest, most complete cave-in to corporate interests I've Dorgan, who was joined at the press conference by the Ranking Member of the Senate Commerce Committee, Fritz Hollings (D-SC) and former Senate Republican Leader Trent Lott (R-MS), said Congress had a number of options to block implementation of the rule which he predicted would "let loose an orgy of corporate mergers and acquisitions" if allowed to stand. Congress could invoke a "Resolution of Disapproval" – a little used provision that, in effect, gives Congress the right to veto Executive branch rules. It could simply add an amendment to an appropriations bill barring the use of federal funds to implement the new rules. Finally, Congress could approve the Hollings-Stevens bill, which Dorgan has co-sponsored, which would mandate that current ownership caps stay in place. Broadcasters operate on air waves that belong to the public, Dorgan noted. "Broadcasters have an obligation to serve the public interest, specifically, by providing localism and a diversity of voices. Concentrating ownership of stations that broadcast over those airwaves into fewer and fewer hands advances neither the cause localism nor diversity." http://dorgan.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=204445 _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 19:33:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89487 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 02:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 02:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 02:33:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2003 02:33:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 02:33:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: This is one Sweet Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1650 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yes, there is deliberate phasing introduced between the two > stereo channels, where some_(not all)_of the right channel > frequencies are sent to the left channel out of phase, and some of > the left channel is sent to the right channel. This actually > degrades the original stereo separation from the source material, > however it gives the listener the illusion that they are listening > to much larger and far spaced speakers. This is a common effect, especially as found in stereo TV sets (as the "Stereo Wide" or "SRS" mode) and a few older stereo system components (the "IMX Stereo Expander"). However, *true* AM Stereo matrix processing works differently, as it expands the Stereo effect as much as possible *without* causing this "wrapping around" which degrades the actual separation between the two channels. This is what creates AM Stereo's consistently "wide" and "spacious" sound, without making it sound artificially "spaced-out". Matrix processing can also increase the level of single-channel audio as much as 6 dB, making wide-separation stereo music (like '50s/'60s Oldies) really "jump out at you", at lot more vividly than FM Stereo. Not every AM Stereo station has this kind of "world class" sound. But for the ones that do, given a good receiver using a modern C-Quam decoder design, they can sound really, REALLY good! And as for 960 KABL, from my own listening when I was visiting S.F., they do indeed have "world class" AM Stereo audio, with especially good high- frequency separation, which gives them extra "precision" to their sound. And remember, KABL is proudly owned by CLEAR CHANNEL!!! From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jun 02 20:48:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33846 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 03:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 03:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 03:48:07 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.108.23738982 (3996) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <108.23738982.2c0d7472@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:48:02 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dream radio redux To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBOC is UNACCEPTABLE. There shall be NO RADIOS marketed with this unproven technology. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jun 02 20:48:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76984 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 03:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 03:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 03:48:06 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.142.12ca1642 (3996) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <142.12ca1642.2c0d7473@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:48:03 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 5-digit dialing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was the same way in Missouri until the early 1990s. Missouri only had three Area Codes; 314 covering east central and southeastern Missouri (covering an area from roughly Hannibal in the north to the Arkansas border in the south, and from the Lake of The Ozarks in the west to the Mississippi River in the east), 417 covering southwestern Missouri (from the Kansas and Oklahoma borders in the west to West Plains in the east, and from the Arkansas border in the south to the southwestern shores of the Lake of The Ozarks in the north) and 816 covering northern and northwestern Missouri, from the Mississippi River north of Hannibal in the east to the Kansas and Nebraska borders in the west, and from the Iowa border to the northwestern shores of the Lake of The Ozarks in the south). 314 now serves only St. Louis and immediate suburbs; the far western and southern suburbs of St. Louis are now in the 636 Area Code (still a local call, though), which was activated in 1998. The rest of the area was converted to Area Code 573 in 1993. 816 was also split in two: 816 now serves the immediate Kansas City area, while the rest of northern and northwestern Missouri switched to Area Code 660. The Missouri Public Service Commission even proposed an overlay for the St. Louis area, adding Area Code 557 to overlay the 314 area code. The only Missouri area code that remains intact is Area Code 417, which includes Springfield, Joplin and Branson. In Illinois, by contrast, the 312 Area Code has been split into several different Area Codes...630, 708, 773 and 847, among others. Area Code 618, which serves southern Illinois, has still not been split up. One unique situation is in Georgia, where Area Code 678 overlays two others; 404 and 770. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian_davidson@hotmail.com Mon Jun 02 21:10:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian_davidson@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69238 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 04:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 04:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 04:10:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:10:24 -0700 Received: from 138.194.15.102 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 04:10:22 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ian_davidson@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dream radio redux Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:10:22 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2003 04:10:24.0987 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EF612B0:01C32986] From: "Ian Davidson" X-Originating-IP: [138.194.15.102] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83045090 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 >From: n0uiheric@aol.com > >IBOC is UNACCEPTABLE. There shall be NO RADIOS marketed with this unproven >technology. A few days ago WOR's Tom Ray mentioned Visteon IBOC/C-Quam combo radios? Does anyone know what these will be - and how much? Hmmmmmm?? And Eric - before you go home please write out 100 times IBOC is UNACCEPTABLE. :) _________________________________________________________________ ninemsn Extra Storage is now available. Get larger attachments - send/receive up to 2MB attachments (up to 100 percent more per e-mail). Go to http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/home&pgmarket=en-au From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Jun 02 21:18:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35280 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 04:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 04:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 04:18:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2003 04:18:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 04:18:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2505 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.161 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > No, No, that isn't good enough, forget the "Digital Audio > Broadcasting" completely, here's the real "AM" improvement plan. > > All existing US MW AM stations would be reassigned to the FM band, > which would be reorganized as follows. Channel spacing in what is > currently known as the FM broadcast band would be reduced from the > current 200 kHz spacing in the US, to 20 kHz creating 1,000 broadcast > channels in the 88 to 108 MHz band. Modulation would be changed from > FM, to AM stereo, after all "AM-Stereo-Rules". Since new radios would > be needed anyway there would be no requirement to cater to legacy > radios with compromised systems like C-Quam. The Harris QUAM AM > stereo system with a "fixed angle" of 90 degrees would be the > standard. > > In the current MW band, 10 "clear channel" stations would be assigned > in what is now known as the "X-band", from 1,600 to 1,700 kHz. There > would be only one station on each of these channels in the US, whose > primary function would be to provide nighttime skywave service over > wide areas. These 10 channels would be auctioned off by the FCC, and > the use of AM stereo would be required. The rest of the MW band from > 540 kHz to 1,600 kHz would be opened up to unlicensed enhanced "part > 15" community and personal broadcasting. Anyone would be free to > start a community or personal radio station in this band, as long as > they complied with the technical restrictions. The station operator > would be free to pick the frequency of his/her choice as long as they > kept their carrier frequency within 20 Hz of a multiple of 10 kHz. > Field strength would be limited to 10 mV/M at one kilometer, and > anyone caught cheating on the field strength limit would be forever > banned from further broadcasting in the MW community/personal > broadcast band. Transmitters would also be required to meet an > emission mask similar to that used on the MW band in the US today. > The use of AM stereo would be encouraged, but not required, in this > community/personal broadcasting band. > > There you have it, the comprehensive "AM-Stereo-Rules" AM broadcast > improvement plan. > > John What a great idea! ;-D Only one problem. The multipath at 100MHz would wreck havoc on a QuAM signal. You would need to use Linear ISB which also doesn't rob headroom from the PEP for the in phase channel like QuAM does. JSG From alfredot@inetarena.com Mon Jun 02 23:56:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54101 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 06:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 06:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 06:56:49 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust137.tnt16.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [67.227.163.137]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h536pZOt013154 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:54:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Subject: Re: Re: truly bipartisan In-Reply-To: <1054527061.3404.52556.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > I think America should get rid of the Libretarians...they're for turning the > United States into another Somalia. > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Now, how did the Libertarians get pulled into this?? Eric, could you please include quotes from the postings that you're replying to? Alfredo From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Jun 03 00:34:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69589 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 07:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 07:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 07:34:17 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.134.208f575b (3858) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 03:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <134.208f575b.2c0da973@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 03:34:11 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think that the NCE subband on FM should be reallocated for DAB. The U.S. must find a suitable band above 1000 MHz (1 GHz) for DAB. Isn't satellite radio enough for digital? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Jun 03 00:34:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45680 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 07:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 07:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 07:34:16 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.b9.32810638 (3858) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 03:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 03:34:13 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: truly bipartisan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Libretarian party wants to turn the United States into a lawless nation...that's what total deregulation will bring. LAWLESSNESS! Regulation is designed to bring DISCIPLINE, SANITY and ORDER to business. Somalia has no functioning government...do you want the U.S. to be without a functioning government? Do you want people killing each other for their religious or political views? This is what's happening in Somalia. This is what the Libretarians want in the United States. They want al-Qaeda running loose. Libretarianism is a REAL THREAT to the United States. It must be squashed. We need discipline, sanity and order...that only comes through REGULATION. And U.S. broadcasting needs to be strictly regulated. That's the only way we can get listeners back. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Jun 03 00:34:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44581 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 07:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 07:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 07:34:17 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.133.20921170 (3858) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 03:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <133.20921170.2c0da972@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 03:34:10 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} A sad day... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think President Bush should pressure Michael Powell to resign as FCC Chairman when he gets back, and replace him and two other Republican Commissioners with anti-Deregulation commissioners. The rules the FCC passed today are NOT NEW...they're out of the Nineteenth Century! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 01:00:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52378 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 08:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 08:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 08:00:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2003 07:36:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:36:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <134.208f575b.2c0da973@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 309 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > I don't think that the NCE subband on FM should be reallocated for DAB. The > U.S. must find a suitable band above 1000 MHz (1 GHz) for DAB. Isn't satellite > radio enough for digital? If you don't want local content, sure. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From spfleck@citlink.net Tue Jun 03 02:05:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spfleck@citlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23460 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 09:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 09:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 09:05:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2003 09:05:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 09:05:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Inexpensive Clock Radio with Decent AM Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 722 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Steve Fleckenstein" X-Originating-IP: 170.215.247.204 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2988995 X-Yahoo-Profile: n2ubp I have one of these at home. It was a Christmas gift from my Grandmother in 1968. It is AM only , very basic, but has what I consider good basic audio and reception qualities. This is not my auction so I can't vouch for the seller or the condition of the radio up for auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=2176791304&r=0&t=0&indexURL=0#ebayphotohosting 1960's General Electric Solid State Am Radio with Alarm Clock Model C2420F - Light Beige color case. Bronze metallic radio dial and clock face. Both have white markings/ numbers, and radio has white hands. There are 5 knobs, and a snooze button. Radio plays great and picks up stations well. The alarm also works fine loud. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Jun 03 02:59:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41592 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 09:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 09:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf43bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.146) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 09:59:23 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.153.120.213]) by imf43bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030603100137.OZPZ24687.imf43bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:01:37 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c329b6$d0d9d7b0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: truly bipartisan Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:59:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cuba has all that you mention, discipline, sanity and order... AND they guarantee everyone a job....Granted it may not pay well, and you have no Civil Rights, but there is plenty of Regulation. As a matter of fact EVERYTHING is regulated, including free speech. Doesn't sound so good, or does it ? I don't think that's what I want. The more shackles, the less freedom. As far as radio and TV goes, I believe in some regulation, but we will never go back to the days before 1996. Sad but true. All we can do is to try to get Legislative Branch of our government to look into trying to stop what is happening......don't hold your breath, but at least we can try. How much $$$ has Billy Tauzin received from the NAB ? How much has the NAB spent to fly FCC commisioners to various junkets ? I am furious when I hear these stories. If enough people call the Senators and Representatives, something might actually get done, although I think the horse is out of the barn. Our current administration is owned by big business, but if enough people yell, the voices of the people can be heard. I wrote to Congress, did you ? JMHO Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: n0uiheric@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 3:34 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: truly bipartisan The Libretarian party wants to turn the United States into a lawless nation...that's what total deregulation will bring. LAWLESSNESS! Regulation is designed to bring DISCIPLINE, SANITY and ORDER to business. Somalia has no functioning government...do you want the U.S. to be without a functioning government? Do you want people killing each other for their religious or political views? This is what's happening in Somalia. This is what the Libretarians want in the United States. They want al-Qaeda running loose. Libretarianism is a REAL THREAT to the United States. It must be squashed. We need discipline, sanity and order...that only comes through REGULATION. And U.S. broadcasting needs to be strictly regulated. That's the only way we can get listeners back. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Jun 03 03:00:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50002 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 10:00:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 10:00:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.19) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 10:00:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 03:00:28 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:00:27 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dream radio redux Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:00:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2003 10:00:28.0401 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5F8B610:01C329B6] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Ian Davidson wrote: >A few days ago WOR's Tom Ray mentioned Visteon IBOC/C-Quam combo radios? Does anyone know what these will be - and how much? Hmmmmmm?? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If I'm not mistaken, the Visteon radio is only available in the Ford automobile purchased, so the cost could be anywhere between 15,000 to 60,000 $US, depending on what model Ford or Lincoln purchased. donn _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 06:14:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47072 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 13:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 13:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 13:14:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20030603131452.94044.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 06:14:52 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Check with Fanfare To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." 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Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 07:39:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41824 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 14:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 14:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 14:39:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2003 14:38:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:38:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Inexpensive Clock Radio with Decent AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have one of these at home. It was a Christmas gift from my > Grandmother in 1968. It is AM only , very basic, but has what I > consider good basic audio and reception qualities. I have what is basically the 1970s version of this same radio (it's actually shown in the opening theme of the TV show "Who's The Boss?", in the daughter's bedroom), and it does have a very good AM tuner, although the tuning dial is rather stiff and hard to tune. Also, it is basically a transistorized "All-American Five" radio -- a huge ceramic resistor in series with the clock motor and radio board serves to bleed off the AC line voltage. Nevertheless, it does actually make a successful conversion to AM Stereo, and with a little tweaking, it can even cover the Expanded Band. Just be mindful of the unshielded AC voltages you might encounter inside the case! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=2176791304&r=0&t=0&indexURL=0#ebayphotohosting Keep in mind that anything after the item number in an eBay address is not necessary, including "&r=0&t=0" and so forth. Better yet, just post the item number (2176791304) and then anybody can look it up at: http://pages.ebay.com/search/items/search_item.html From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 07:42:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33370 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 14:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 14:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 14:42:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2003 14:42:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:42:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dream radio redux Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 450 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does anyone know what these will be - and how much? If everything goes as planned (which seems unlikely at this moment), these IBOC-equipped Visteon AM Stereo/FM Stereo radios will be installed into the 2004 model year Ford/Lincoln/Mercury automobiles. Visteon has sold some radios on the aftermarket, but likely the only way to obtain one without buying a whole new car is to go through the Ford Motor Co. parts/accessories department. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 08:36:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45153 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 15:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 15:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12810.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.137) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 15:36:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20030603153600.7741.qmail@web12810.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 16:36:00 BST Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:36:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: Quote from Imus To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20T.?=" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Funny, but true... Imus: The FCC is going to vote today on whether to deregulate these whatever, and of course we at Viacom support that because we want to own everything... McCord: Sure we do! Imus: ...we want to own everything and be able to do everything and we'll decide what you're going to hear. You don't need to be flipping around the dial there... McCord: No! Imus: ...trying to find something... McCord: Just shut up and listen! Imus: ...yeah, just listen. We report and we also decide! __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jun 03 09:23:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39296 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 16:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 16:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 16:23:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2003 16:23:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 16:23:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1480 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > What a great idea! ;-D > > Only one problem. Actually that isn't the only problem. > The multipath at 100MHz would wreck havoc on > a QuAM signal. You would need to use Linear ISB OK, Linear ISB it is. As it happens after I typed my message specifying QUAM, I realized that for non technical reasons linear ISB would better fit the system design brief, but I decided I wouldn't change what I had first typed, and posted the message as originally typed. > which also doesn't > rob headroom from the PEP for the in phase channel like QuAM does. I'm not sure I follow this, although maybe I need to think about it more? I would think the worst case "PEP" would be the same for either system, the worst case "PEP" just occurs under different modulation conditions for the two systems. Thinking about some of the "interesting" cases, it even seems that the QUAM system would have a "PEP" headroom advantage over the linear ISB system. For example with maximum "PEP" equal to 4 times the carrier power, QUAM can handle a single channel signal level about 4.3 dB greater than can linear ISB, if my calculator is giving me the correct answers, I will have to double check the answer, and give it a more rigorous look to be sure. If the "PEP" is a worry, there would be more to be gained by reducing the carrier level, since the system is designed for synchronous detection anyway. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 15:26:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75340 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 22:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 22:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 22:26:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2003 22:26:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 22:25:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: No more IBOC stations on AM? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1628 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Out of all the AM stations which have transmitted an IBOC signal within the past year, the following are all currently *not* using IBOC: 700 WLW Cincinnati, OH 710 WOR New York, NY 840 KXNT North Las Vegas, NV 960 KABL Oakland (San Francisco), CA 1530 WSAI Cincinnati, OH The following two have used IBOC but I'm not sure of their current status: 880 KIXI Mercer Island (Seattle), WA 1200 WCHB Taylor (Detroit), MI There was also Lucent's low-power IBOC test station, 1700 WI2XAM in Warren, NJ, which is no longer on the air at all. Is it possible that there are *no* stations currently transmitting IBOC on the AM band? Are there any others that I've missed? We've talked about AM Stereo "offenders" -- stations that have stopped broadcasting in AM Stereo, for various reasons -- many times before... but it seems that we now have a growing list of *IBOC* "offenders". Most prominent of these is 710 WOR, whose engineers have suddenly gone silent, while the station has begun transmitting a full-time, full-bandwidth analog signal for the first time since last October (despite claims that "it's unlikely you'll ever hear full 10 kHz analog audio from WOR again") and is now almost a week beyond the claimed date when their IBOC generator "maintenance" or "upgrade" was supposed to be complete. Of course, I'm not *complaining* about this, however, it seems quite suspicious that just as AM IBOC has collectively reached a large stumbling block (with concerns about its poor audio quality and unreliable hardware), all of the formerly constant news and updates about it have mysteriously gone quiet. From fanfare@globility.com Tue Jun 03 16:02:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3536 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 23:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 23:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 23:02:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2003 23:02:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 23:02:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stations transmitting in AM Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 240 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.131 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Where can I find a reasonably current list of AM stereo stations to link the Fanfare site to? BTW, any info you think prospective AM stereo listeners should be made aware of, please send the URL's to me via the group. Many thanks, MS From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 16:41:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26186 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 23:41:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 23:41:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 23:41:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2003 23:36:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 23:36:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Stations transmitting in AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 855 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Where can I find a reasonably current list of AM stereo stations to > link the Fanfare site to? > > BTW, any info you think prospective AM stereo listeners should be > made aware of, please send the URL's to me via the group. All you need to know is: http://www.AMStereoRadio.com/ It's not case sensitive -- I just type it like that to be fancy. :-) I try to keep the AM Stereo station listing up-to-date, but I haven't received all that many updates or corrections recently. I do, however, try to keep the list of and photos of AM Stereo receivers accurate, as whenever I encounter a previously unknown AM Stereo receiver I usually add it to the web site right away. Also, don't forget to link to this group right here, of course! I'm glad that the AM Stereo Forum has become so active, but we're always happy to welcome new members. From amstereorules@msn.com Tue Jun 03 16:49:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17146 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 23:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 23:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 23:49:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2003 23:47:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 23:47:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: iBiquity News Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4129 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules Well, it looks like "it's over Johnny" if Lucent doesn't improve their PAC compander to NRSC's satisfaction. Who is the Amherst Alliance anyway? Analog captures all of the music, unlike MW IBOC which throws away 97% of the music. >http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993772 > >US digital radio revolution stalls > >Crystal-clear digital radio was set to hit America this September - >but the technology has run into trouble. The US National Radio >Systems Committee (NRSC) last week decided the system's sound >quality is not good enough to broadcast. > >As a result, the NRSC has suspended its digital radio standards- >setting process, which is vital to the launch of new radio sets. The >NRSC says digital radio cannot be rolled out to consumers until >iBiquity Digital of Columbia, Maryland - the company that is >providing the digital technology - gets it right. > >iBiquity Digital planned to use a technology called in-band, >on-channel (IBOC) broadcasting that squeezes both the old analog >radio and the new digital radio signals into the frequencies >currently used by AM and FM channels. Listeners would need an IBOC- >compatible radio to receive the digital signals, but these cannot be >manufactured until the NRSC sets the standards. > >The official suspension of the standards is a victory for the >Amherst Alliance, a protest group that includes broadcasters, audio >webcasters and what spokesman Donald Schellhardt calls "good old- >fashioned concerned citizens". > >In October 2002, Amherst petitioned the Federal Communications >Commission to abandon IBOC and test alternative systems, such as the >proven European Eureka system that has been adopted, or is being >adopted, by most other countries. > >Slow data streams > >iBiquity Digital was formed two years ago from the merger of Lucent >Digital Radio, a division of Lucent Technologies, and USA Digital >Radio. IBOC uses Lucent's Perceptual Audio Coder (PAC) software to >compress sound into very slow digital data streams - similar to that >of a fast dial-up modem. PAC constantly analyses the sound and >throws away what it calculates the ear does not need to hear. > >The overriding advantage is that the data rates are so slow that the >digital signal can be broadcast alongside existing analogue AM and >FM stations, without the need for extra radio frequencies. iBiquity >claims "richer-sounding music" and "compact-disc-like quality". > >But Amherst has warned all along that the sound quality of IBOC is >poor and that its signals will interfere with analogue radio. NRSC >now agrees. > >There are "growing concerns over the audio quality", says the NRSC, >blaming "poor performance" of the technology at low digital bit >rates. This raises concerns over performance at higher bit rates. >When bit rates are too low, digital sound becomes coarse, like >cellphone sound. Crucially, the signal can also interfere with the >standard AM or FM radio signal it sits beside. > >Eureka-based Digital Audio Broadcasting system uses much higher data >rates - up to 196 kilobits per second - and needs completely new >frequencies to carry the high-speed signals. Amherst says eight >years of broadcasts and booming sales of digital radios in the UK >have proven Eureka's sound quality to be good, largely free of >interference and "superior" to IBOC. > >In February 2003, the powerful National Association of Broadcasters >(NAB) accused Amherst of trying to "throw sand in the gears" with >"frivolous charges and makeweight issues". But now the NRSC, which >is sponsored by the NAB, has thrown its own sand by complaining >about the IBOC sound quality and freezing official approval unless >it improves. > >Charles Hutton, a radio engineer from Seattle who works with the >Amherst Alliance, says: "I'm amazed at the NRSC's decision. Everyone >thought IBOC audio quality was mediocre at best... Finally the >Emperor was found to have no clothes." > >iBiquity says it concurs with the NRSC's decision to delay roll-out >of digital radio. "We have an ongoing improvement plan," says a >spokesman. > >Barry Fox From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 17:18:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68264 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 00:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 00:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 00:18:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2003 00:11:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 00:11:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: iBiquity News Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 973 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Who is the Amherst Alliance anyway? I don't think the Amherst Alliance actually carries any weight in the broadcasting industry. I may agree with some of what they're saying, but their excessively outspoken ramblings get in the way of the success and legitimacy of their own cause. They're like a little Chihuahua dog constantly barking and gnawing at the FCC's heels. Even if the Amherst Alliance didn't exist, I think the NRSC still would have reached the same conclusion. iBiquity was blatantly deceptive by conducting all their NRSC tests of IBOC using the old AAC audio encoding system, and then switching to PAC once they were given the green light, saying that "it should sound the same as AAC, so there's no need to re-test everything". They even claimed that the switch to PAC would provide an improvement in audio quality, when in fact it has turned out to be a large step backwards. Like I said before, IBOC = "It's Better Off Cancelled"! From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Jun 03 18:28:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50081 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 01:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 01:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 01:28:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:28:04 -0700 Received: from 172.129.36.183 by bay7-dav54.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 01:28:04 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <134.208f575b.2c0da973@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:11:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2003 01:28:04.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BA0EB20:01C32A38] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.129.36.183] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > I don't think that the NCE subband on FM should be reallocated for DAB. Why not? It is hardly used for the original intended purpose. Take the nation's number 59 radio market for example: There is not one single Non-Com station being used to teach broadcasting. They are all NPR repeaters or religious stations with the same ranting, big mouthed preachers. To give credit where credit is due, One out of market station that can be heard here is using their non-com license as intended. WNCW Spindale, NC does have a teaching program and is live and local for most of the day. What is interesting is WNCW is the only Non-Com near here with enough audience that it could not only survive, but thrive as a commercial station. It is time to end tax payer supported "Public" radio. If a radio station cannot stand on its own, it should go silent to make room for stations that can. > >Isn't satellite radio enough for digital? Satellite radio does have a good function: You can put popular syndicated programming and Networks such as NPR on the bird to free up local stations for local programming, or to turn some stations silent to reduce interference on both the AM and FM bands. So, if you enjoy listening to Rush ranting for 3 hours, listen to the satellite. If you want to hear local DJs and local information and sports, tune to the local station. Another great use for Satellite radio is to put all of the homogenized & Pasteurized over-researched canned programming that corporate broadcasters such as Clear Channel, Cox, Entercom, and Barnstable produce on the bird then they sell off their local stations to small owners. If you actually like to listen to "Hot Country", "The Planet", "B-93.7", "Hot 98.1", "Lite Rock FM", "Kiss Country", "Rock 101", "My FM", "Star 103", Oldies 106", or "107.3 Jamz", no problem. Just tune in the nationwide satellite channel of the canned program of your choice. As for me, I would rather listen to a Live & Local Smooth Jazz station or Celtic station in AM Stereo. Too bad the only one on the dial is a certain Part 15 station. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Jun 03 18:28:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14466 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 01:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 01:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.119) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 01:28:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:28:06 -0700 Received: from 172.129.36.183 by bay7-dav15.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 01:28:06 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: truly bipartisan Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:14:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2003 01:28:06.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CA2A3B0:01C32A38] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.129.36.183] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > We need discipline, sanity and order...that only comes through REGULATION. Isn't that what Hitler said? Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Jun 03 18:28:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31241 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 01:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 01:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.122) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 01:28:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:28:08 -0700 Received: from 172.129.36.183 by bay7-dav18.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 01:28:08 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <001a01c329b6$d0d9d7b0$af78fea9@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: truly bipartisan Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:35:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2003 01:28:08.0533 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DFED850:01C32A38] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.129.36.183] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Juan / John Gualda wrote: > Cuba has all that you mention, discipline, sanity and order... AND they guarantee everyone a job....Granted it may not pay well, and you have no Civil Rights, but there is plenty of Regulation. As a matter of fact EVERYTHING is regulated, including free speech. Doesn't sound so good, or does it ? I think Eric would be very happy in Cuba. Radio Havana on 6.000 MHz sounds very much like out NPR, with the same types of programming and political views. I will have to say that the quality of programming on Radio Havana is overall, MUCH better than NPR. In a time that other countries are cutting their International Short-wave radio budget, Cuba has been busy upgrading their studio and transmitter facilities. RHC's on-air sound is proof they spent their money in the right places, but I do wish the warble jammer they put on WRMI would blow a tube or a PA transformer. Perhaps a group of vigilante DXers should invade Cuba and go drive some nails into the Jammer's antenna feed line. While we are at it, let's kill the Cuban on 1180, as well as Radio Marti's 1180 transmitter! I am sure it wouldn't be hard to get the licensed stations on 1180 to sponsor the event! Kevin From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Jun 03 19:03:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10131 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 02:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 02:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 02:03:27 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-192.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.192]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5423LoG004101 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:03:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006101c32a3d$75785d60$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030602172345.93361.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Actually mentions C-QUAM Stereo! Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:03:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Get some good, non digitally compressed stereo audio samples of them from your new Fanfare tuner, John. I'd love to win a sweepstakes or something so I could get me one too. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > From the WJR-AM 760 Website: From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Jun 03 19:09:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67399 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 02:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 02:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf25bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.199) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 02:09:12 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.35.16.188]) by imf25bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030604021126.IEJI22535.imf25bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:11:26 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c32a3e$4bb68e60$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} No more IBOC stations on AM? Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:09:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBAC was a lose / lose situation....Obvious to those "in the know" IBAC R.I.P. Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:25 PM Subject: {AMSF} No more IBOC stations on AM? Out of all the AM stations which have transmitted an IBOC signal within the past year, the following are all currently *not* using IBOC: 700 WLW Cincinnati, OH 710 WOR New York, NY 840 KXNT North Las Vegas, NV 960 KABL Oakland (San Francisco), CA 1530 WSAI Cincinnati, OH The following two have used IBOC but I'm not sure of their current status: 880 KIXI Mercer Island (Seattle), WA 1200 WCHB Taylor (Detroit), MI There was also Lucent's low-power IBOC test station, 1700 WI2XAM in Warren, NJ, which is no longer on the air at all. Is it possible that there are *no* stations currently transmitting IBOC on the AM band? Are there any others that I've missed? We've talked about AM Stereo "offenders" -- stations that have stopped broadcasting in AM Stereo, for various reasons -- many times before... but it seems that we now have a growing list of *IBOC* "offenders". Most prominent of these is 710 WOR, whose engineers have suddenly gone silent, while the station has begun transmitting a full-time, full-bandwidth analog signal for the first time since last October (despite claims that "it's unlikely you'll ever hear full 10 kHz analog audio from WOR again") and is now almost a week beyond the claimed date when their IBOC generator "maintenance" or "upgrade" was supposed to be complete. Of course, I'm not *complaining* about this, however, it seems quite suspicious that just as AM IBOC has collectively reached a large stumbling block (with concerns about its poor audio quality and unreliable hardware), all of the formerly constant news and updates about it have mysteriously gone quiet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Jun 03 19:36:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2334 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 02:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 02:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 02:36:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2003 02:36:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 02:36:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4144 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.131.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > >=20 > > What a great idea! ;-D > >=20 > > Only one problem. >=20 > Actually that isn't the only problem. >=20 > > The multipath at 100MHz would wreck havoc on=20 > > a QuAM signal. You would need to use Linear ISB >=20 > OK, Linear ISB it is. As it happens after I typed my message=20 > specifying QUAM, I realized that for non technical reasons linear ISB=20 > would better fit the system design brief, but I decided I wouldn't=20 > change what I had first typed, and posted the message as originally=20 > typed. >=20 > > which also doesn't > > rob headroom from the PEP for the in phase channel like QuAM does. >=20 > I'm not sure I follow this, although maybe I need to think about it=20 > more? I would think the worst case "PEP" would be the same for either=20 > system, the worst case "PEP" just occurs under different modulation=20 > conditions for the two systems. Thinking about some of the=20 > "interesting" cases, it even seems that the QUAM system would have a=20 > "PEP" headroom advantage over the linear ISB system. For example with=20 > maximum "PEP" equal to 4 times the carrier power, QUAM can handle a=20 > single channel signal level about 4.3 dB greater than can linear ISB,=20 > if my calculator is giving me the correct answers, I will have to=20 > double check the answer, and give it a more rigorous look to be sure. If you look at the I & Q vectors for both QuAM and ISB generated from QuAM you will see that during a single channel transmittion that modulates the I channel +100% the Q channel for QuAM is at its maximum peak during PEP and this puts the composite envelope at 12% greater voltage wise than what the envelope would be during a mono transmittion or 25% greater power wise. This turned out to be one of the main selling points of the non-linear systems since it maintained maximum loudness for mono receivers, having the envelope equal to L+R. Now I guess some sort of Level Devil could be used to attenuate both L+R & L-R channels diring heavy stereo separation so that the composite envelope always had maximun PEP. The other issue is on -100% single channel modulation, the strength of the I signal goes to zero and Q is at its maximum and the phase goes to 90=B0. Now this not a problem for a QuAM receiver but it is a major problem=20 for C-QuAM since 1/Cos90=B0=3DInfinity, hence the reason for the 70%=20 limit of heavy single channel modulation. For ISB the picture changes for both +100% & -100% modulations. I & Q modulating signals are 90=B0 out of phase so when I is at +100% Q is at zero and the same is true at -100% modulation. While this is easily demonstrated with single Sin & Cos waves it still applies to multiple waves. For the I channel if all the peaks and troughs of the Cos waves ad up to to the maximum =B1100% modulation the signal on the Q channel has the corrosponding=20 Sin waves that are a the zero crossing. This shows that ISB addresses the peak modulation limits associated with QuAM. It also allows an ISB version of C-QuAM to handle -95% haevy single channel modulation before cosine correction goes haywire. If a high quality audio phase shifter is uesd to develop L-R @ 90=B0 a C-QuAM exciter could be used to generate a compatible ISB signal. It could take the form of a matrix processor preceeding the exciter. Not that I would choose a Non-Linear system over a Linear system but existing C-QuAM exciters could be used.=20 >=20 > If the "PEP" is a worry, there would be more to be gained by reducing=20 > the carrier level, since the system is designed for synchronous=20 > detection anyway. >=20 > John For the higer modulating frequencies the envelope could extend down to -125% modulation eliminating the need for the asymetrical +125% -100% modulating scheme. This would not affect existing mono radios since the BW is narrow enough to attenuate the higher=20 frequencies so the envelope does not exceed -100% modulation. Reducing the carrier level to achieve =B1150% modulation could still be possible and maintain a -100% envelope for narrow BW radios. JSG=20 From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Jun 03 19:58:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97192 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 02:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 02:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 02:58:34 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:58:33 -0700 Received: from 172.129.36.183 by bay7-dav50.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 02:58:33 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stations transmitting in AM Stereo Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:58:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2003 02:58:33.0974 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FCF7160:01C32A45] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.129.36.183] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 > BTW, any info you think prospective AM stereo listeners should be made aware of, please send the URL's to me via the group. This is interesting: 1110 WBT is throwing a Kahn Pilot this evening but with Mono programming. WBT was one of the pioneer Kahn stations, I wonder if they are working on the Kahn HiFi AM system? Kevin From dav259@csiro.au Tue Jun 03 20:43:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5171 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 03:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 03:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 03:43:45 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h543hgh08071 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:43:42 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:43:41 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: truly bipartisan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Possum Hunter wrote: > > We need discipline, sanity and order...that only comes through > > REGULATION. > > Isn't that what Hitler said? Clever Kevin ... but it's also what most leaders (past and present) would say - particularly about broadcasting. Eric - Keep punching! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 01:10:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41733 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 08:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 08:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 08:10:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2003 08:10:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:10:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1110 WBT - Kahn? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 831 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is interesting: 1110 WBT is throwing a Kahn Pilot this evening > but with Mono programming. WBT was one of the pioneer Kahn > stations, I wonder if they are working on the Kahn HiFi AM system? At this point, I doubt that Kahn's "Cam-D" system has gone past the on-paper design stage. However, if WBT is truly transmitting a 15 Hz pilot tone (and it's not just an errant beat note from a co-channel station), they could also be gearing up to use Kahn PowerSide, which is generated using a fully-functional Kahn AM Stereo exciter, which can have its 15 Hz pilot tone enabled in PowerSide mode. Aside from the 25 Hz C-Quam pilot tone, the FCC has no jurisdiction over any other pilot tones, therefore it is perfectly legal to transmit a Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone, as long as the transmitted audio remains monaural. From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 04 01:13:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34322 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 08:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 08:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 08:13:59 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.231]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:13:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c32a71$54f02080$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: a one dollar FM radio Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:14:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 OK, so it's not am stereo- or even stereo at all- but knowing how a lot of us like to find a bargain, and to tinker, I thought I would let you all know about this find. While in our local Dollar store, I saw a bin of these auto-scan FM radios. At a buck, I figured, "why not?" These are not bad at all- they use the Philips TDA7088 single " FM radio on a chip" (data sheet online- just google it) They are cute little things, in several colors of transparent cases, and come with detachable stereo earbuds. It never ceases to amaze me what you can find for a dollar. Chris From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 04 01:17:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32151 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 08:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 08:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 08:17:03 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.231]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:16:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c32a71$c2f7da00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: out of service Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:17:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 To all that have emailed me recently, I apologize for my lack of correspondence. Dad is in the hospital now (not dire, fortunately) and I am up to my arse in alligators for the time being. Things should be back to normal soon, (soon being 4 to 6 weeks). Chris From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 04 01:19:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92416 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 08:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 08:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 08:19:20 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.231]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:18:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c32a72$14bee900$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1110 WBT - Kahn? Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:19:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I suspect a phasing problem from an adjacent station- I frequently get a false + on WBT. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 4:10 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: 1110 WBT - Kahn? From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 01:22:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90921 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 08:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 08:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 08:22:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2003 08:22:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:22:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1110 WBT - Kahn? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1192 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > This is interesting: 1110 WBT is throwing a Kahn Pilot this evening > > but with Mono programming. WBT was one of the pioneer Kahn > > stations, I wonder if they are working on the Kahn HiFi AM system? > > At this point, I doubt that Kahn's "Cam-D" system has gone past the > on-paper design stage. However, if WBT is truly transmitting a 15 Hz > pilot tone (and it's not just an errant beat note from a co-channel > station), they could also be gearing up to use Kahn PowerSide, which > is generated using a fully-functional Kahn AM Stereo exciter, which > can have its 15 Hz pilot tone enabled in PowerSide mode. > > Aside from the 25 Hz C-Quam pilot tone, the FCC has no jurisdiction > over any other pilot tones, therefore it is perfectly legal to > transmit a Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone, as long as the transmitted > audio remains monaural. I vaguely recall seeing an FCC memo somewhere that specificly says only the C-QUAM pilot tone may be used, and that all others must run pilotless- Except Kahn's ISB which was specificly diosallowed, except in the form of PowerSide. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 04 01:24:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99165 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 08:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 08:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 08:24:07 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.231]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:23:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c32a72$bfb42b40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: WalMart $5 radios Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:24:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I still have nearly 500 circuit boards for making complete am stereo/fm sterero radios, based on these $5 radios- BUT- the maker of these radios threw a wrench in the works- they changed their IC to a different type. So now, to use the boards, I would have to get the original Samsung KA22425 IC separately. Still hoping to find a case maker to build a cabinet for these. Chris From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 01:25:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52168 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 08:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 08:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 08:25:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2003 08:25:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:25:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: a one dollar FM radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c32a71$54f02080$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 797 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > OK, so it's not am stereo- or even stereo at all- but knowing how a lot of > us like to find a bargain, and to tinker, I thought I would let you all know > about this find. > While in our local Dollar store, I saw a bin of these auto-scan FM radios. > At a buck, I figured, "why not?" > These are not bad at all- they use the Philips TDA7088 single " FM radio on > a chip" (data sheet online- just google it) > They are cute little things, in several colors of transparent cases, and > come with detachable stereo earbuds. > It never ceases to amaze me what you can find for a dollar. Sounds like the ones Walgreens were recently selling for $5. And yes, I have one of these, to give it a test run. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 05:48:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72828 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 12:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 12:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 12:48:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20030604124801.38288.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 05:48:01 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 05:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IBOC Status WCHB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin wrote: "The following two have used IBOC but I'm not sure of their current status: 880 KIXI Mercer Island (Seattle), WA 1200 WCHB Taylor (Detroit), MI" I can add that 1190 WOWO Ft. Wayne still has their continous 'hiss' bleeding over from 1200, so I am lead to believe that WCHB still has their IBOC turned-on during the daylight hours (minimum). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From fanfare@globility.com Wed Jun 04 06:06:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35318 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 13:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 13:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.138) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 13:05:58 -0000 Received: from MTS-XP-1 (ppp-RAS3-4-1.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.247.1]) by smtp1.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F1115524 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 03:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200306040905580250.0033117C@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: <006101c32a3d$75785d60$827dfea9@home1> References: <20030602172345.93361.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> <006101c32a3d$75785d60$827dfea9@home1> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 09:05:58 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Actually mentions C-QUAM Stereo! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Marv Southcott" Reply-To: fanfare@globility.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Hi Scott: Obviously I am delighted at the comments John P. has made with respect to o= ur FTA-100. However, at $1,695. and having a young family, John could easil= y find much more appropriate places to spend those kinds of funds.=20 How John came about having an FTA-100 in his possession was because of uniq= ue location between CFCO and WJR, both of them 'benchmark' stations, he wou= ld be able to determine for us what the true capabilities of the FTA-100 re= ally are. So, I sent him an FTA-100 to do some testing for us. While his co= mments reflect the FTA-100 to be a good performer, I know John to have a lo= t of integrity and his comments would be born out with audio samples. Unfor= tunately, John will have to return the unit as it must go back on the bench= to be documented. Then it is off to Chicago, and then Seattle. I ahve to u= se the same unit for all tests in order for the samples to be accurate. The whole purpose of this exercise is to gain some performance and operatio= nal information from people who know receivers. That can't be done very wel= l at our factory because both CHUM and WWKB are in mono now. And, without t= he facility to record some real AM-stereo, I find selling the unit to be a = little more work than it would be had we some kind of demo that would prove= what I am about to say. Since I got into the radio manufacturing business in 1983, I have been asso= ciated with tuners that, in their time, could be honestly referred to as re= ference quality, "benchmark" performers. Our FM has already been dubbed as = such and it pleases me no end that all the work we did to get it to that le= vel has been recognized. John P's tests have proven to me, and others that = the Fanfare FTA-100 in AMS-stereo can attract the same "reference-quality, = benchmark" recognition. Also, with no other tuners around, such as the Carv= er TX-11A, etc. the FTA-100 is the only unit now available to the AM broadc= ast industry to provide such a definitive off-air reference. BTW, the FTA-1= 00 incorporates the first of a number of modifications from Omega. Albeit a= minor modification, it has affected the noise figure in a very positive ma= nner. Also, as a working reference, AM radio stations could use FTA-100 to set ce= rtain processing levels that they know will acommodate the shortcomings of = a number of different kinds of radios. This would be preferable to having t= o listen to as many radios as WOR professes to do in order to get the 'punc= hiest' signal. Using the FTA-100, they would also be able to set up to acco= mmodate a good tuner; something they may not have heard for so long, they'v= e forgotten what one really sounds like. In any event, I wanted you to know that you were on the list of those whom = I would like to evaluate the FTA-100. Are you still interested? I will tell the group that John P. was involved in a performance project on= our behalf. He will share the results with you regardless. In any event, i= t's time to tell the world.=20 Cheers, Marv *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/3/2003 at 9:03 PM Scott Todd wrote: >Get some good, non digitally compressed stereo audio samples of them from >your new Fanfare tuner, John. I'd love to win a sweepstakes or something >so >I could get me one too. > >ST > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John P." > > >> From the WJR-AM 760 Website: > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From fanfare@globility.com Wed Jun 04 06:37:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8977 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 13:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 13:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 13:37:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2003 13:37:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 13:37:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Actually mentions C-QUAM Stereo! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200306040905580250.0033117C@mail.globility.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 982 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Marv Southcott" wrote: > Hi Scott: > > Obviously I am delighted at the comments John P. has made with respect to our FTA-100. However, at $1,695. and having a young family, John could easily find much more appropriate places to spend those kinds of funds. > > > I will tell the group that John P. was involved in a performance >project on our behalf. He will share the results with you >regardless. In any event, it's time to tell the world. Sorry Scott and JohnP; I guess I won't have to tell the group ... they already know. As you can see, this message was intended for Scott Todd. But there's nothing in it I wouldn't share with you all if it were proper to do so. These are the trials of having SMTP problems and getting distracted at the same time. BTW $1,695. is for the FTA-100 broadcast unit (comp O/P. bal audio) "Carrier Sense" is an FM option. Soon, it will have RS232 data I/O. MS From jim@burgan.net Wed Jun 04 06:48:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86267 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 13:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 13:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 13:48:30 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-232-43.client.insightbb.com[12.221.232.43]) by sccimhc02.insightbb.com (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030604134829im200acp2ue>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:48:29 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01c32a9f$fb03e910$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 5-digit dialing Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:48:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know this has nothing to do with AMS, and I said I would not post off-topic again, but I just can't help myself. I live in Central Indiana (home of Indiana Bell, Ameritech and now SBC). We had 4 digit dialing well into the 60's... 5 digit for a short time, then the "named exchanges" (DRexel, TEnnison, WOodlawn), which quickly became 7 digit numeric. For the past couple of years, we've had to dial 10 digits for all calls outside of our exchange, even if it's the same area code. Trivia question: Of the 3 examples of exchanges, DRexel is my home exchange in Indiana, but TEnnison and WOodlawn are historic exchanges for radio.... Anyone want to make a guess as to the city? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jun 04 07:03:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24824 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 14:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 14:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 14:03:21 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:03:20 -0600 Message-ID: <003a01c32aa2$0e8e9640$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Actually mentions C-QUAM Stereo! Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:03:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good luck Marv and congrats John! I am quite envious. I haven't gotten to be part of a lot of "beta testing" programs but always wanted to. Gives ya a "sneak preview" of things to come before anyone else. There's no way I could ever afford one, but if there is a "wish list" I have for AM Stereo equipment, the Fanfare tuner would be at the top. I type this as I sit here in the studio doing my morning air shift, listening to the beautiful output of the Genuine Motorola C-Quam AM Stereo modulation monitor. Obviously this is the best-sounding AM Stereo I've heard and I would imagine the Fanfare tuner is comperable. Although as I'm sure many engineers would say, there could never be a radio that sounds like the modulation monitor does. This being because of various factors like "the monitor picks up everything...all frequencies....because it is more than a wide-band receiver, it's actually tuned only to ONE frequency, it's not really a tuner" and "it is probably a little too bright because of preemphasis / deemphasis circuitry" and stuff like that. Still sounds absolutely fantastic. Although I might note that I've posted airchecks done directly off the monitor, and some done with my Sony SRF-42 and most list-members preferred the sound of the SRF-42 because the sound from the monitor was almost too bright and too thin. And true if we were like many of the AMs out there with aggressive processing and a processing REALLY pushing the high end, then it would be almost TOO MUCH high end. Right now I know it's pretty nice and in our FM studio you can switch back and forth between the FM air and AM air and not tell a whole lot of difference. The sound is beautiful, and I imagine the fanfare tuner is quite similar. I guarantee ya if all AM radios sounded this good, there's no way AM would have gone the fate it did. Anyways.....I digress. Sorry for drifting off topic. Enjoy your new toy John. And Marv, if I ever win a sweepstakes (where IS my Publishers Clearing House mailer????) you'll get my order for a Fanfare FTA-100 right away! Michael n (stereo) n WYO KEVA AM Stereo 1240 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr.M S To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Actually mentions C-QUAM Stereo! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Marv Southcott" wrote: > Hi Scott: > > Obviously I am delighted at the comments John P. has made with respect to our FTA-100. However, at $1,695. and having a young family, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 08:08:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85656 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 15:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 15:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 15:07:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2003 15:07:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 15:07:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Robert Orban on IBOC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 580 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Now groundbreaking news here, but this was posted by Robert Orban ("the father of modern audio processing") in an Internet newsgroup: "The hold [on AM IBOC] was due to questions about the codec's subjective quality, not about robustness of the RF coverage. The primary issue regarding RF is, in fact, the HD sidebands' potential for causing interference to stations that can now be received satisfactorily outside of their primary (FCC protected) coverage areas. Broadcasters in the US recognize that this will be a necessary tradeoff if HD AM is widely implemented." From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jun 04 12:36:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36330 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 19:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 19:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 19:36:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2003 19:35:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:35:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1404 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" < possumhunter@n...> wrote: > n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > I don't think that the NCE subband on FM should be reallocated for > > DAB. > > Why not? It is hardly used for the original intended purpose. How do you figure that, what was the original purpose of the NCE sub- band? > Take the nation's number 59 radio market for example: There is not > one single Non-Com station being used to teach broadcasting. How is that relevant, why should any Non-Com stations be expected to "teach broadcasting"? If you are thinking that the original purpose of the NCE sub-band was to "teach broadcasting", I can find no mention of that in the FCC Rules. I am looking at a copy of the Federal Communications Commission "Rules Governing Broadcast Services", Effective June 25, 1940, Revised to January 16, 1948, and I can see no mention of anything about "teaching broadcasting" in the section on the service to be provided by NCE FM stations, the word "Education" in the designation seems to apply exclusively to the Radio Listener, and not to people learning to work in radio. The wording of the section on the "operation and service" provided by NCE stations is virtually identical to the wording in the latest revisions of the FCC rules, where I also can't find any mention of a purpose of NCE stations being to "teach broadcasting". John From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jun 04 12:44:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51417 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 19:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 19:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 19:44:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2003 19:43:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:43:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3773 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: >=20 > If you look at the I & Q vectors for both QuAM and ISB generated > from QuAM you will see that during a single channel transmittion > that modulates the I channel +100% the Q channel for QuAM is at > its maximum peak during PEP and this puts the composite envelope > at 12% greater voltage wise than what the envelope would be during > a mono transmittion or 25% greater power wise. I agree with that, although I am not sure I understand its relevance=20 to my "AM-Stereo-Rules" AM improvement plan, which is essentially a=20 fresh sheet of paper, and as such need not cater to any existing=20 receiver technology? Also I suspect that with a given "maximum peak PEP", QUAM will allow a=20 considerably higher single channel modulation level than will linear=20 ISB. I will check this and get back with another post. > This turned out to > be one of the main selling points of the non-linear systems since it > maintained maximum loudness for mono receivers, having the envelope > equal to L+R. Now I guess some sort of Level Devil could be used > to attenuate both L+R & L-R channels diring heavy stereo separation > so that the composite envelope always had maximun PEP. The other > issue is on -100% single channel modulation, the strength of the I > signal goes to zero and Q is at its maximum and the phase goes to > 90=B0. Now this not a problem for a QuAM receiver but it is a major > problem for C-QuAM since 1/Cos90=B0=3DInfinity, hence the reason for > the 70% limit of heavy single channel modulation. For ISB the > picture changes for both +100% & -100% modulations. I & Q modulating > signals are 90=B0 out of phase so when I is at +100% Q is at zero and > the same is true at -100% modulation. While this is easily > demonstrated with single Sin & Cos waves it still applies to > multiple waves. For the I channel if all the peaks and troughs of > the Cos waves ad up to to the maximum > =B1100% modulation the signal on the Q channel has the corrosponding=20 > Sin waves that are a the zero crossing. This shows that ISB > addresses the peak modulation limits associated with QuAM. It also > allows an ISB version of C-QuAM to handle -95% haevy single channel > modulation before cosine correction goes haywire. If a high quality > audio phase shifter is uesd to develop L-R @ 90=B0 a C-QuAM exciter > could be used to generate a compatible ISB signal. It could take the > form of a matrix processor preceeding the exciter. Not that I would > choose a Non-Linear system over a Linear system but existing C-QuAM > exciters could be used.=20 I'm not sure what this discussion of C-Quam's problems has to do with=20 my "AM-Stereo-Rules" AM improvement plan? C-Quam is not an option=20 there, straight QUAM, or linear ISB, are the only viable choices=20 mentioned so far. > > If the "PEP" is a worry, there would be more to be gained by > reducing=20 > > the carrier level, since the system is designed for synchronous=20 > > detection anyway. >=20 > For the higer modulating frequencies the envelope could extend > down to -125% modulation eliminating the need for the asymetrical > +125% -100% modulating scheme. This would not affect existing mono > radios since the BW is narrow enough to attenuate the higher=20 > frequencies so the envelope does not exceed -100% modulation. > Reducing the carrier level to achieve =B1150% modulation could still > be possible and maintain a -100% envelope for narrow BW radios. Existing mono radios are not a concern, remember we are talking about=20 AM Stereo operation in the 88 - 108 MHz band, where the existing=20 receivers have FM detectors. Compatibility with existing mono, or=20 stereo, radios is not a concern with the 88-108 MHz band portion of my=20 plan. John From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 12:45:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57618 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 19:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 19:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 19:45:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2003 19:45:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:45:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WalMart $5 radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c32a72$bfb42b40$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 673 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I still have nearly 500 circuit boards for making complete am stereo/fm > sterero radios, based on these $5 radios- BUT- the maker of these radios > threw a wrench in the works- they changed their IC to a different type. So > now, to use the boards, I would have to get the original Samsung KA22425 IC > separately. > Still hoping to find a case maker to build a cabinet for these. > Chris What would your price be on them? I'd prefer not to have to pay more than about $10 or $15 for one. Also, which radio at wal-mart is it? Could you / someone link me to a pic / website about one on the net? From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 14:57:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89549 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 21:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 21:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 21:57:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2003 21:57:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:57:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Yamaha AM stereo tuner Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 936 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Lifted from the broadcast net email list by a GREAT Chicago area engineer: FYI Yamaha has it's TX-492 AM Stereo tuner available in the US...but not widely known. It's available at Tweeter for $230.(!!) Stocked at their warehouses and they do mail order. Client needed an off-air tuner in the office not related to the studios. It would also function as a B/U to the studio air system. So I went looking.... Since it's stereo, the AM will have decent audio bandwidth. That's the goal of the whole effort. Am picking one up tomorrow. Will be nice to have good audio in the office again without worrying about the audio being killed as a result of the mod-monitor being left in a test mode position or when it needs to go out for service. And....be able to tell clients where they can get decent sounding tuners. ************************************************* Well when I have money I may have to get one. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 15:11:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26003 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 22:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 22:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 22:11:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2003 22:11:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:11:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WalMart $5 radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 200 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Well I just found them at "Fred's" a store like Dollar General, Family Dollar, etc. AND colors not found anywhere else. NOW I have a metallic blue one, also there is a silver metallic one. Powell From kfornal@cox.net Wed Jun 04 15:13:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4819 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 22:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 22:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao04.cox.net) (68.1.17.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 22:13:28 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030604221328.SGBS13930.lakemtao04.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:13:28 -0400 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Yamaha AM stereo tuner Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:12:12 -0400 Message-ID: <003101c32ae6$5cca6ac0$0301a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=128541479 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't find any indication that this receiver is AM Stereo. Here is a link to the manual from the Yamaha website. http://www.yamaha.com/menuitems/manuals/yec/TX-492.pdf Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III [mailto:w4opw@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 5:57 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Yamaha AM stereo tuner Lifted from the broadcast net email list by a GREAT Chicago area engineer: FYI Yamaha has it's TX-492 AM Stereo tuner available in the US...but not widely known. It's available at Tweeter for $230.(!!) Stocked at their warehouses and they do mail order. Client needed an off-air tuner in the office not related to the studios. It would also function as a B/U to the studio air system. So I went looking.... Since it's stereo, the AM will have decent audio bandwidth. That's the goal of the whole effort. Am picking one up tomorrow. Will be nice to have good audio in the office again without worrying about the audio being killed as a result of the mod-monitor being left in a test mode position or when it needs to go out for service. And....be able to tell clients where they can get decent sounding tuners. ************************************************* Well when I have money I may have to get one. Powell Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Click Here! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 15:35:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58419 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 22:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 22:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 22:35:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20030604223532.17721.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.195] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 15:35:32 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: {AMSF} Yamaha AM stereo tuner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003101c32ae6$5cca6ac0$0301a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus If the word "Stereo" is mentioned they will try and bluff you it has AM Stereo-It has to be in black and white AM Stereo --- Keith Fornal wrote: > I can't find any indication that this receiver is AM > Stereo. Here is a > link to the manual from the Yamaha website. > > http://www.yamaha.com/menuitems/manuals/yec/TX-492.pdf > > > Keith Fornal > Treasurer > Dutch Island Lighthouse Society > www.dutchislandlighthouse.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: Powell E. Way III [mailto:w4opw@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 5:57 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Yamaha AM stereo tuner > > Lifted from the broadcast net email list by a GREAT > Chicago area > engineer: > > > > > > FYI > > Yamaha has it's TX-492 AM Stereo tuner available in > the US...but not widely known. It's available at > Tweeter for $230.(!!) Stocked at their warehouses > and > they do mail order. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From bjackson@indyradio.com Wed Jun 04 15:38:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11614 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 22:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 22:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 22:38:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2003 22:38:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:38:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: FCC Comments Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 I know this posting is a little off tpoic, but I know there are people on this list who know MUCH more about the FCC and its policies than I do. There is proposal before the FCC to do some FM frequency swapping (to move some rim-shot FM's around) that I'm interested in commenting on. However, I'll admit that when it comes to procedure, I'm a little confused. Here is the information I have from the FCC Daily digest: MB Docket # 03-98 RM - 10688 If it helps, the address at the FCC web site is (may need to cut & paste) http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-03- 1122A1.doc From what I can tell, the public has until July 21 to comment on this proposal...But I don't know exactly *how* to do so. Near the end of the file it talks about "Parties who choose to file by paper must file an original and four copies of each filing. Filings can be sent by hand or messenger delivery, by commercial overnight courier, or by first-class or overnight U.S. Postal Service mail"...but later says "For purposes of this restricted notice and comment rule making proceeding, members of the public are advised that no ex parte presentations are permitted from the time the Commission adopts a Notice of Proposed Rule Making until the proceeding has been decided and such decision is no longer subject to reconsideration by the Commission or review by any court"...What the heck does all that mean? Do I need to really send 4 copies, or is this something that can be done online? Thanks! - Brad Jackson From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 04 15:46:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5359 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 22:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 22:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 22:46:00 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.235]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:45:31 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c32aeb$262d73e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <003101c32ae6$5cca6ac0$0301a8c0@OMNIBOOK> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Yamaha AM stereo tuner Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:46:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 It is NOT am stereo. The board in the export model does not have the space obn the board for the components, either. Only the Japan domestic one is- same model #. If you change the Japan model to 10kc spacing, the stereo indicator on the LCD does not work Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Fornal From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 15:49:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88786 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 22:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 22:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 22:48:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20030604224859.84584.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.195] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 15:48:59 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Yamaha AM stereo tuner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001401c32aeb$262d73e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus --- Chris Cuff wrote: > It is NOT am stereo. The board in the export model > does not have the space > obn the board for the components, either. Only the > Japan domestic one is- > same model #. If you change the Japan model to 10kc > spacing, the stereo > indicator on the LCD does not work > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Fornal > > Is AM Stereo common in Japan? Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 04 15:55:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67837 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 22:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 22:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 22:55:23 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.235]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:54:55 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c32aec$75f14360$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20030604224859.84584.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Yamaha AM stereo tuner Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:55:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Yes- Most of Japan's station use it, but the Japanese manufacturers are getting out of am stereo. Only a very few models left. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Ross To: Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 6:48 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Yamaha AM stereo tuner > > --- Chris Cuff wrote: > > > > Is AM Stereo common in Japan? > Michael > From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 04 15:57:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43889 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 22:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 22:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 22:57:57 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.235]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:57:29 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01c32aec$d2007680$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WalMart $5 radios Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:58:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 It can not happen. The cost in raw parts, with no profit, including the $5 Walmart radio is up around 45 to 50 dollars. Another reason the project stalled. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key > > What would your price be on them? I'd prefer not to have to pay more > than about $10 or $15 for one. From alinton@iol.ie Wed Jun 04 16:00:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13753 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 23:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 23:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davros) (194.165.169.235) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 23:00:14 -0000 Received: from Spooler by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO00044E; 5 Jun 03 00:00:14 +0100 Received: from spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 5 Jun 03 00:00:06 +0100 Received: from FR1.totalbroadcast.net (192.168.0.1) by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG00044D; 5 Jun 03 00:00:02 +0100 X-MSReally-From: alinton@iol.ie Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030604235926.034cfc80@fr1> X-Sender: alinton@fr1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 00:00:00 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: [RT] AM Stereo RX's..Yamaha TX-492 available in US. Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From another list... >From: Mike McCarthy--Field acount >To: radio-tech@broadcast.net >Subject: [RT] AM Stereo RX's..Yamaha TX-492 available in US. >Sender: radio-tech-admin@broadcast.net > >FYI > >Yamaha has it's TX-492 AM Stereo tuner available in >the US...but not widely known. It's available at >Tweeter for $230.(!!) Stocked at their warehouses and >they do mail order. > >Client needed an off-air tuner in the office not >related to the studios. It would also function as a >B/U to the studio air system. So I went looking.... > >Since it's stereo, the AM will have decent audio >bandwidth. That's the goal of the whole effort. > >Am picking one up tomorrow. Will be nice to have good >audio in the office again without worrying about the >audio being killed as a result of the mod-monitor >being left in a test mode position or when it needs to >go out for service. > >And....be able to tell clients where they can get >decent sounding tuners. > >MM > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). >http://calendar.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ > >BNetRadio, the internet radio station FOR the Broadcast Industry can now >be heard on ANY cellphone in the US. http://www.bnetradio.com >_______________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >Radio-tech mailing list >Radio-tech@broadcast.net >http://www.broadcast.net/mailman/listinfo/radio-tech ----------------------------------- Andy Linton Waterford, Ireland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From fanfare@globility.com Wed Jun 04 16:09:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33774 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 23:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 23:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.138) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 23:09:21 -0000 Received: from MTS-XP-1 (ppp-RAS3-3-187.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.246.187]) by smtp1.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1FC15AC2 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200306041909200481.025B7886@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:09:20 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Yamaha AM stereo tuner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Marv Southcott" Reply-To: fanfare@globility.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Hi Powell: Do you run into Bob larson (WUSN) in your travels? Also Pete Maus is a good= friend of mine .. all from Chicagoland. Cheers, Marv *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/4/2003 at 9:57 PM Powell E. Way III wrote: >Lifted from the broadcast net email list by a GREAT Chicago area=20 >engineer: > > > > > >FYI > >Yamaha has it's TX-492 AM Stereo tuner available in >the US...but not widely known. It's available at >Tweeter for $230.(!!) Stocked at their warehouses and >they do mail order. > >Client needed an off-air tuner in the office not >related to the studios. It would also function as a >B/U to the studio air system. So I went looking.... > >Since it's stereo, the AM will have decent audio >bandwidth. That's the goal of the whole effort. > >Am picking one up tomorrow. Will be nice to have good >audio in the office again without worrying about the >audio being killed as a result of the mod-monitor >being left in a test mode position or when it needs to >go out for service. > >And....be able to tell clients where they can get >decent sounding tuners. > > >************************************************* > > >Well when I have money I may have to get one.=20 > > > >Powell > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jun 04 17:09:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66060 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 00:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 00:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 00:09:08 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-125.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.125]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h55092oG008948 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:09:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003201c32af6$a87ea7a0$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: lost another one Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:08:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This one hurts to report- KYMN Northfield moved their studios to a location in town (it had been co-located with the transmitter in a cornfield) and they didn't want to spend the extra money for two audio lines, so they are no longer stereo. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jun 04 18:09:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69057 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 01:09:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 01:09:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 01:09:14 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-69.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.69]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h55198oG028628 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:09:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00e201c32aff$0e5feae0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030602172345.93361.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> <006101c32a3d$75785d60$827dfea9@home1> <200306040905580250.0033117C@mail.globility.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Actually mentions C-QUAM Stereo! Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:37:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Marv, I'd consider it a great honor to have the opportunity to test an FTA-100. What I lack, however, is AM stereo stations. There are only three within 75-80 miles of home- 930, 1150 and 1090, all three daytimers; nothing local. WCTS has been pilot only for a year or more, and KYMN dropped it recently with a studio move. What should I make the recordings on? Unfortunately I don't have any truly modern means of recording anything. I'd have to pull a DAT deck or something out of one of our studios at the station. My work address would be the best way to get it to me. Please send it to me in care of KKMS radio, 2110 Cliff Rd., Eagan, MN 55122. I'd be interested in seeing how it performs in the high RF environment of my station workshop. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marv Southcott" > > Also, as a working reference, AM radio stations could use FTA-100 to set certain processing levels that they know will acommodate the shortcomings of a number of different kinds of radios. This would be preferable to having to listen to as many radios as WOR professes to do in order to get the 'punchiest' signal. Using the FTA-100, they would also be able to set up to accommodate a good tuner; something they may not have heard for so long, they've forgotten what one really sounds like. > > In any event, I wanted you to know that you were on the list of those whom I would like to evaluate the FTA-100. Are you still interested? > From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 18:12:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62406 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 01:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 01:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 01:12:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20030605011238.82915.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.195] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:12:38 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Actually mentions C-QUAM Stereo! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00e201c32aff$0e5feae0$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus You are very fortunate- We have None (nil) AM Stereo stations in New Zealand:-(((( Michael --- Scott Todd wrote: > Marv, > > I'd consider it a great honor to have the > opportunity to test an FTA-100. > What I lack, however, is AM stereo stations. There > are only three within > 75-80 miles of home- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 18:17:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9904 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 01:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 01:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 01:17:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 01:17:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 01:17:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: lost another one (KYMN) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c32af6$a87ea7a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1058 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This one hurts to report- KYMN Northfield moved their studios to a > location in town (it had been co-located with the transmitter in a > cornfield) and they didn't want to spend the extra money for two > audio lines, so they are no longer stereo. Is the former "Stereo KYMN" pure mono now, or have they left the Stereo pilot tone on, so that Delco radios will open up to full bandwidth? By the way, KYMN's web site at http://www.kymn.com doesn't appear to be working right now, but Google's cache of it shows this text proudly displayed on the main page: "1080 AM Stereo KYMN is a locally-focused radio station located in Northfield Minnesota, about 35 miles south of the Twin Cities. We were the Midwest's first AM Stereo radio station and, unlike many other AM Stereo stations who have dropped the service, we still broadcast in full stereo." Alas, maybe KYMN can install a Stereo Reverb unit at the transmitter site. That would give them a distinctive "sonic signature" on the air, and then they could still call themselves "Stereo". From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 18:23:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97099 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 01:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 01:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 01:23:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 01:23:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 01:23:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: FCC Comments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1147 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.43 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > I know this posting is a little off tpoic, but I know there are > people on this list who know MUCH more about the FCC and its policies > than I do. > > There is proposal before the FCC to do some FM frequency swapping (to > move some rim-shot FM's around) that I'm interested in commenting on. > However, I'll admit that when it comes to procedure, I'm a little > confused. > > Here is the information I have from the FCC Daily digest: > > MB Docket # 03-98 > RM - 10688 =snip= I'll help you here, as best as I can. Go to http://www.fcc.gov Click on the "ECFS Express" logo on the left. Since the docket number is NOT one of those immediately listed, find the link under "Other Comments" on the left that says "Use the expert version of..". Next, on the _right_, where it says "ECFS Main Links", you should see listed second "Submit a filing". From THERE you file under a two-step process. Bote: Where it says "1. Proceeding", the entry field is where to put the Docket number. The rest should be self-explanatory. Good luck! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 18:25:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63553 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 01:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 01:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 01:25:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 01:25:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 01:25:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Yamaha AM stereo tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030604224859.84584.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 148 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.43 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: =snip= > > Is AM Stereo common in Japan? Yes. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 18:35:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58410 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 01:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 01:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 01:35:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 01:35:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 01:35:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Actually mentions C-QUAM Stereo! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e201c32aff$0e5feae0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1568 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What I lack, however, is AM stereo stations. There are only three > within 75-80 miles of home- 930, 1150 and 1090, all three > daytimers; nothing local. Remember that the true beauty of of a hi-fi AMAX tuner is that it makes even mono stations sound fantastic. Alas, even though I am within range of at least ten AM Stereo stations with daytime signals strong enough to be clearly and enjoyable received, I can say that the best-sounding AM station in my area broadcasts in mono -- as they should, as the station was built from the ground up with all new equipment in 1997, and uses an Optimod 9100 that's clearly adjusted to provide the perfect compromise between loudness and audio quality. Even with the 10 kHz NRSC audio limit, they still sound much better than FM! > What should I make the recordings on? Unfortunately I don't have > any truly modern means of recording anything. As long as it doesn't generate too much RFI, an ordinary VHS "Hi-Fi Stereo" VCR can provide *fantastic* audio recording that is nearly indistinguishable from CD quality. Or, good ol' CrO2 or Metal cassette tape with Dolby C NR can also provide excellent results -- that's what I personally use for almost all of my recordings. Then, with any halfway-decent computer, you can hook up the VCR or tape deck to the Line Input of the sound card, record the airchecks to WAV files and burn them to CD. It's rather time-consuming, but the results are well worth it when you can pop a CD into any player and hear beautiful AM or AM Stereo sound at your command! From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Jun 04 18:42:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98829 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 01:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 01:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-2001-2.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 01:42:12 -0000 Received: from storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net (lawson-public-ipmux-1-pip-5.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.25]) by smtpout-2001-2.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 3F72679BC0 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id SAA14114; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:42:12 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRxHuTxNgtueJfFJqE2eqbsPwzoogIUBq9deYuVEGdXmAWlHhoqaBguReo= Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:42:11 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Clear Channel buys Omaha station Message-ID: <7287-3EDE9FF3-864@storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 3 Jun 2003 06:56:53 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Well folks, Clear Channel is at it again, buying another station. It was announced today that Webster Communications is selling it's only station to Clear Channel Communications. The previous owner wanted to retire and agreed to sell KEFM - FM 96.1 for an unspecified amount. A Clear Channel spokesperson said that KEFM 's format fits in nicely with CC's other Omaha and Lincoln properties > KFAB-AM, KGOR-FM, KQRC-FM and KXKT-FM and several Lincoln FM stations. KEFM also has good coverage in the capital city of Lincoln, with it's transmitter 1/2 way between Lincoln and Omaha. KEFM 96.1 traces it roots back to it's original ownership by station KOIL and had the KOIL-FM call until 1976 & then became KEFM. KEFM later left the air after a severe thunderstorm , tornado blew down it's tower in the summer of 1980. Webster Comm acquired the license and put KEFM back on the air in 1983. Now it looks like KEFM will join the Clear Channel family of stations. No immediate changes in format or personnel are planned according to the CC spokesperson. (You bet!!) No word on if the studios might get re-located to the KFAB building. It will be interesting to talk to JIm the CE and another engineer, Chuck that worked for KEFM until recently doing a saturday night program. Chuck does transmitter engineering for a number of smaller stations such as KVSS-FM, KWPN-FM, KTIC-AM, etc... The only independent stations left in town are all religious oriented stations + Plus the educational stations. William P. Snyder Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 593-6841 I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 18:53:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34460 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 01:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 01:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 01:53:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 01:53:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 01:53:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Actually mentions C-QUAM Stereo! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030605011238.82915.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 304 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.43 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > You are very fortunate- We have None (nil) AM Stereo > stations in New Zealand:-(((( Just the low-power private station in Wellington on 999, but being that you're on the -other- side of North Island... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 18:58:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55122 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 01:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 01:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 01:58:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20030605015839.21316.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.195] by web41201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:58:39 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Actually mentions C-QUAM Stereo! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus --- amymousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and > Ross > wrote: > > You are very fortunate- We have None (nil) AM > Stereo > > stations in New Zealand:-(((( > > Just the low-power private station in Wellington on > 999, but being > that you're on the -other- side of North Island... > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > I don't even know if its still on air We have a local mono on 990Khz here only a couple of miles to the Tx from here-Its in Palmerston North 250 miles from here __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Wed Jun 04 19:05:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50106 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 02:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 02:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 02:05:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 02:05:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 02:05:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WFTU thinking about stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 536 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Found out that 1570 WFTU may be thinking about going stereo. WFTU is in Riverhead LI and it would be the first AM stereo on Long Island since WLIM shut it off more than 2 years ago. Right now, WFTU is running CRL processing into a BE AM-1. All they need is a card and a C-Quam processor. I would be doing the install so I am looking at a CRL Amigo and a Arianne multiband AGC over a 9100. I'm hoping to drum up support for this switchover. WFTU is an educational AM playing jazz/Rock and is owned by Five Town's College. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 19:13:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96604 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 02:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 02:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 02:13:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 02:13:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 02:13:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Actually mentions C-QUAM Stereo! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030605015839.21316.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 754 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.43 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > --- amymousie wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and > > Ross > > wrote: > > > You are very fortunate- We have None (nil) AM > > Stereo > > > stations in New Zealand:-(((( > > > > Just the low-power private station in Wellington on > > 999, but being > > that you're on the -other- side of North Island... > I don't even know if its still on air We have a local > mono on 990Khz here only a couple of miles to the Tx > from here-Its in Palmerston North 250 miles from here Why not send off an email to Ben Lennard and ask him, using this form: http://www.lennard.net.nz/contactform.html Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Jun 04 19:23:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95167 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 02:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 02:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-2001-2.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 02:23:40 -0000 Received: from storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net (lawson-public-ipmux-1-pip-5.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.25]) by smtpout-2001-2.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 0F6AA79B9D for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA16285; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:23:39 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQqhtjIlkdSGn9vgoD2xiNT3w0OuwIVAKkIIcKduQjc9kRoB2Wv5Nhqkgir Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:23:39 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CBS tone Message-ID: <7290-3EDEA9AB-659@storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 31 May 2003 14:27:40 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 RE; The CBS hourly tone, haven't heard this for a long time, most stations seem to bypass the hourly news feed and insert a combination of national and local news into the 5, 6 minute hour break and add plenty of commercials , And I live in a realiitly small market Omaha, Nebraska Both KKAR (Cbs) and KFAB (ABC) seems bent on doing local news mixed with network news cuts, they don't go to the full feed unless something really BIG is happening. Only late at night or on a weekend might you get a live network feed. And what happened to the length of these feeds??? 2 to 3 minutes MAX> Whatever happened to the 5 1/2 minute NBC news feed, years ago ...?? KFAB had a 5& 1/2 minute Newsfeed Then " now back to serenade in the night on KFAB in omaha at 5 and a half minutes past (two, three, four) O'clock" and they even simulcasted the news with KGOR-FM ( kfab's fm station) ? news?/ on FM?? heresy. and KGOR would queue up the next rock and roll song after the news feed. Just a thought. William P. Snyder Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 593-6841 I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 19:25:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95959 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 02:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 02:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 02:25:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 02:25:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 02:25:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Searching for AM STEREO on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1061 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.19.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Dick W wrote: (deleted for brevity) > > search on their internet browser or on eBay, etc., that they need > to put phrases > > in quotation marks (") if they want to locate the exact item. (deleted for brevity) > But also "am stereo" brings up all the non am stereo radio's also so > not ideal :-( Sometimes this is folks don't realize the existance of AM stereo. Other times, it's the manufacturer's fault, and the seller is copying the "mistake". For example, I am now looking at 3 service manuals for t******s (by p*******c) tuners, all labeled "FM/AM Stereo Tuner". It's easy to understand the confusion created. I used to do searches for "am stereo", "stereo am" "c-quam" in all variants, with and without the hyphen, ad infinitium. Then I learned (ok, stole) a search from an e-Bay seller, which I'll post here. "am stereo" -"fm am" -"grand am" It works, and I have it in a favorite. Happy listening! From bjackson@indyradio.com Wed Jun 04 19:32:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96164 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 02:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 02:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 02:32:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 02:32:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 02:32:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: FCC Comments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 892 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > I'll help you here, as best as I can. > > Go to http://www.fcc.gov > > Click on the "ECFS Express" logo on the left. > > Since the docket number is NOT one of those immediately listed, find > the link under "Other Comments" on the left that says "Use the expert > version of..". > > Next, on the _right_, where it says "ECFS Main Links", you should see > listed second "Submit a filing". From THERE you file under a two- step > process. > > Bote: Where it says "1. Proceeding", the entry field is where to put > the Docket number. The rest should be self-explanatory. > > Good luck! > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ OK...Thanks. That will work for *me*. But that's a little complicated to try to pass along to some other people = who I hope to also have comment on it. Can it be done via snail mail? -Brad From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Jun 04 20:02:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31186 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 03:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 03:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 03:02:35 -0000 Received: from storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net (lawson-public-ipmux-1-pip-5.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.25]) by smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 7F1D6BE91 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id UAA18258; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:02:35 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQqUpL595svHTT6rkgdzCvzxWE6SgIUNlz1mEjWZIXp0NLPnBbYiDwql4w= Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 22:02:34 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5 digit dialing Message-ID: <7283-3EDEB2CA-1345@storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 31 May 2003 14:27:40 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I am into telephones, and i concur with much of what have been said about the 5 digit dialing and Area codes. I had 5 digit dialing when i first had phone service, it was a step-by-step exchange 1 plus the last 4 digits 1-4605 or you could dial 872-4605 to get me. 4 plus 4 digits gave you Auburn telephones or dial 274-XXXX You dialed "00" to acess long distance, you gave the operator y0ur phone number ( no ANI in this exchange) , then a long series of routing codes, the area code and 7 digit number all repeated with dial pluses ARRRH!!!! Once the call hit the Bell System it sped up consierablely Thank God the old GTE equipment is gone. 402-872 is now digital. BTW _ Omaha had 6 digit #'s in the 1950's My dad had REgent 1538 that became 556-1538 when 7 digit #'s were introduced in 1960, a neccessity for DDD >> Direct Distance Dialing ALL exchanges got a 3 digit prefix even if the 7 digits weren't needed for a local call. Some cities like Kansas City, Dallas kept the old exchange names MElrose became MElrose 1 , Melrose 4, etc... 631,, 634 etc.. GRand 1, GRand 2 471, 472.... On the area codes ---- the old crossbar and step by step equipment lacked a lot of flexability so 1 followed by a x1x or x0x area code indiacted a long distance call vs. local Modren digital / ESS systems aren't bound to this convention. The huge demand for phone #'s for faxes, modems, cell phomes , home and business lines, pagers have required the need for more prefixes and area codes in the more populated states. So we end up with "wierd" area codes!! that look like exchange prefixes. and exchange prefixes that look like the x1x , or x0x area codes.... confusing, isn't it? 972-414-xxxx In some larger cities 10 digit #'s Local numbers are needed where there are multiple area codes. When an area (city) starts running out of usable prefixes, a new area code gets assigned by Bellcore. Locally, Nebraska is still with just two area codes 402 and 308. Across the missouri river Western Iowa is 712. Iowa now is up to 5 codes. I can see Lincoln splitting off from Omaha as a new area code in the next few years. William P. Snyder Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 593-6841 I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 20:12:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67772 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 03:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 03:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 03:11:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 03:11:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 03:11:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Yamaha AM stereo tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030604223532.17721.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 573 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > If the word "Stereo" is mentioned they will try and > bluff you it has AM Stereo-It has to be in black and > white AM Stereo > --- Keith Fornal wrote: > > I can't find any indication that this receiver is AM > > Stereo. Here is a > > link to the manual from the Yamaha website. > > > > > http://www.yamaha.com/menuitems/manuals/yec/TX-492.pdf BAWWW! It's not fair! Chris, maybe you know then, is the AM on it decent or is it muffldy ? I need a good TUNER. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 20:13:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96991 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 03:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 03:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 03:13:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 03:13:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 03:13:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Yamaha AM stereo tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200306041909200481.025B7886@mail.globility.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 343 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Marv Southcott" wrote: > Hi Powell: > > Do you run into Bob larson (WUSN) in your travels? Also Pete Maus is a good friend of mine .. all from Chicagoland. > > Cheers, > > Marv > Don't know them. MM is on 2 of the broadcast.net lists I am on. Powell W4OPW and sometimes even WKDK! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 20:21:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14164 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 03:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 03:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 03:21:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 03:21:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 03:21:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFTU thinking about stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 930 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Found out that 1570 WFTU may be thinking about going stereo. I think all they need to know is that right now, thousands of listeners (and potential listeners) in their area already have the capability to listen to them in Stereo, and as AM Stereo-equipped radios continue to be manufactured (especially Visteon's new C-Quam/IBOC radio expected to be included in 2004 model year vehicles), that number will surely increase. > Right now, WFTU is running CRL processing into a BE AM-1. All they > need is a card and a C-Quam processor. I would be doing the > install so I am looking at a CRL Amigo and a Arianne multiband AGC > over a 9100. The Optimod 9100 is amazing for its ability to deliver a VERY LOUD signal that is also very clean and distortion-free, however, the Amigo AM delivers wider Stereo separation, especially during single- channel audio (like the intro to "Here Comes The Sun" or "Year Of The Cat"). From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 20:33:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52125 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 03:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 03:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 03:33:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 03:33:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 03:33:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC's proposal to abdicate their responsibilities to the public Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030602041941.32472.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1844 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.19.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Should come to New Zealand-They say they broadcast > only for their shareholders.As for AM Stereo They > never heard of it here. > michael > --- Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 n0uiheric@a... wrote: ... > > > 13,000 job cuts in radio since 1996 were needed, > > either. > > Profits ahead of jobs. It's bad enough in other > > industries - but in the > > media it is wreckless and dangerous. > > > > Frankly we (the listening public) deserve better. > ===== > Michael&Ross I can remember a teevee news story about a railroad accident in Minot, ND, where one of the tankers was leaking anhydrous ammonia. Lethal stuff. All of the stations in Minot are owned by a well known media conglomerate, and the police could not get in touch with any of the station personel for hours. One life lost and hundreds injured. A major disaster for a town and all of the radio stations in it are playing satellite delivered music. And according to the story, the conglomerate's response to all this was, 'We aren't there to provide news and information. Our purpose is to provide a product for our customers'. There was a time when stations broadcast "in the public interest". As of late, it looks as though the governing body has been neglecting the public. From the non decision in 1982 to adopt a standard for AM stereo broadcast to the more recent developments in station ownership and the (seemly never ending) transition to digital television. Where's the "backwards compatibility" in that last item anyway? I really dread the day when another major disaster hits yet a bigger city than Minot, and the citizens turn on their radios only to hear more-of-the-same-fast-food-style programming. But it can only be inevitable. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 20:59:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45138 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 03:58:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 03:58:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 03:58:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 03:58:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 03:58:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: FCC Comments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 376 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.43 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > OK...Thanks. That will work for *me*. But that's a little complicated > to try to pass along to some other people = who I hope to also have > comment on it. Can it be done via snail mail? Yes. Remember getting to the Expert Version page? All info is there on how to submit. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 21:16:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55753 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 04:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 04:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 04:16:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 04:16:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 04:16:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2357 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.19.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > IBOC should be banned permanently...a separate band MUST BE FOUND (even if > it means allocating part of the current UHF-TV band). > > A better and cheaper alternative would be to allocate 88.MHz to 91.9 MHz to > Digital Audio Broadcasting. How about the following... -Reallocate TV channels 5 and 6 for digital radio. This spectrum is already in use for FM broadcast in other parts of the world so it wouldn't be too much of a hardship for the manufacturers since much of the hardware is already wired for this part of the spectrum. -Reallocate from 88.1 to 89.9 for hobby/neighborhood broadcasting. LICENSE the users in this area and allow a maximum of 2 watts and non- directional antenna. This would conceivabaly require yet another addition to part 95. The commercial stations shouldn't complain since the hobbyists are sandwiched between digital (which everyone knows is perfect!), and the educational stations which we will.... -Reallocate (?) from 90.1 to 91.9, and the same 50W ERP restrictions you propose. > The former "Superpower" > stations from the 30's would be allowed a maximum of 1,000,000 Watts, I know WLW used to pump half a megawatt out of their Blaw-Knox. Didn't know of a station north of Mexico to transmit with the second comma. > > One company could not own more than 4 AM stations nationwide, Including > class 1-As and Class Cs. In order to conserve the limited space on the new > digital band, AM-FM combos and clusters in the same market would be required > to broadcast their AMs and former AMs on digital sub carriers on their > existing FM signals. Let's not forget to add a requirement to have a good chunk of the station's programming originating out of their local studio. And have staff on hand 24-7 with the station's hot line number shared with the local 9-1-1 facilities. (How easy it is to forget, "If you want a dog, ask for a horse!)" > > All school owned educational FM stations would be moved to 88.MHz with a > maximum ERP of 50 watts. > > Kevin Nuff said. Maybe then we can get some of the heart and soul back in radio. Till then, I can still provide a more entertaining show on long trips with a 2 hr tape, an auto-reverse Walkman, and a "Sound- Feeder". From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Jun 04 21:23:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36224 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 04:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 04:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 04:23:46 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.1c8.ab526d1 (30970) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 00:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c8.ab526d1.2c101fcb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 00:23:39 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dream radio redux To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBOC will drive up the cost of a radio...such a radio you mention, Ian, will most likely cost in the area of $1,000. No one can afford it. Shortwave is cheaper than IBOC, that's for sure. IBOC is unproven technology; no matter how many times transmitters are upgraded, IBOC will never approach the superior quality of analog transmissions. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 21:29:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2894 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 04:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 04:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 04:29:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20030605042943.38303.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.222] by web41207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:29:43 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DAB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1c8.ab526d1.2c101fcb@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Here they talking about DAB in the FM band-Whats it like compared to iboc? It would be cheaper to use AM Stereo and people can still keep their radiograms(get AM&SW only)(some people still have those here!) and if they want quality buy an AM Stereo/FM Stereo reciever. Michael --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > IBOC will drive up the cost of a radio...such a > radio you mention, Ian, will > most likely cost in the area of $1,000. No one can > afford it. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 21:42:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95252 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 04:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 04:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 04:42:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 04:42:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 04:42:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DAB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030605042943.38303.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 585 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.43 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Here they talking about DAB in the FM band-Whats it > like compared to iboc? > It would be cheaper to use AM Stereo and people can > still keep their radiograms(get AM&SW only)(some > people still have those here!) and if they want > quality buy an AM Stereo/FM Stereo reciever. Possible, since Eureka DAB uses something like 1.5 MHz per ensemble, and China did experiment with DABensembles in part of the FM broadcast band (Band II). Some DAB receivers are frequency-modifiable. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 21:48:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34097 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 04:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 04:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 04:48:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 04:48:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 04:48:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Mouse-cellany. Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 441 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.43 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Just added a bookmark to the Link page for www.part15.org and the Medium Wave Alliance (same link) for those of us (like me) who have Alfredo Lite transmitters. I'm trying to find the true stereo version of "Expressway To Your Heart", a classic 1960s song by the Soul Survivers. Hmm, can't think much more right now, except: http://causenet.commoncause.org/afr/issues/alert/?alertid=2446521 Do it, for radio's sake. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Wed Jun 04 22:00:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48367 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 05:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 05:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 05:00:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 05:00:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 05:00:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFTU thinking about stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 506 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.164.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > The Optimod 9100 is amazing for its ability to deliver a VERY LOUD > signal that is also very clean and distortion-free, however, the > Amigo AM delivers wider Stereo separation, especially during single- > channel audio (like the intro to "Here Comes The Sun" or "Year Of > The Cat"). We're looking for a little cleaner sound and I'm looking to sound somewhat different with the Arianne/CRL system www.translantech.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 22:09:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74024 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 05:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 05:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 05:09:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 05:09:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 05:09:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1660 WWRU to go full-time 10 kW directional Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2198 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The USA's first Expanded Band station is about to become the first with a full-time 10 kW directional signal. 1660 WWRU, licensed to Jersey City, NJ (formerly WJDM/Elizabeth, NJ), has been transmitting a four-tower 10 kW directional nighttime signal for about a year now, while their daytime signal has remained 10 kW non-directional. However, WWRU has just been granted a Construction Permit to switch to a directional signal during the daytime as well, with 10 kW aimed right towards New York City, just like their current nighttime signal. Alas, in reality, WWRU is the "New York" flagship for the Radio Unica Spanish news/talk/music network, and thus all of these upgrades have been done with the intent of providing a stronger signal in the Big Apple. However, this comes at the expense of the original intent that got the station on the air in the first place, and indeed fostered the creation of the entire Expanded Band -- for them to better serve the listeners of Elizabeth, NJ, a large city which had no full-time radio station in the mid-1990s. Putting 1660 WJDM on the air in late 1995 rectified that, however, just months later, the station was sold and quickly forgot all about the people of Elizabeth, leaving them back at square one, with daytime-only 1530 WJDM as the only station licensed to serve the local area -- and by a more strict interpretation of the FCC rules, 1530 WJDM shouldn't even be on the air at all, since it's well past the five-year point when the "parent" of an Expanded Band station is supposed to go dark. Nevertheless, at this point, at least 1660 WWRU is broadcasting a full-time AM Stereo signal, but unfortunately Radio Unica is produced in mono, so there's no chance for true Stereo sound from them. Hopefully, though, they'll at least maintain status quo in this regard when the daytime signal upgrade is complete. Meanwhile, 1530 WJDM is also broadcasting an AM Stereo signal, of sorts -- with the pilot tone turned off and the right audio channel completely silent. On a "forced Stereo" receiver, WJDM's audio clearly as a strong list to the left, and this is not because of anything to do with Kahn Power-Side. From rwagoner1@mac.com Wed Jun 04 23:22:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66170 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 06:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 06:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 06:22:28 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030605062218.GUDO4644.fed1mtao06.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 02:22:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:22:29 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: lost another one (KYMN) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <153D8D93-971E-11D7-A179-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Is that something new to Delco? My '91 S-10 AM stereo was wide open as long as the switch was pressed, even for mono. Seems like we had this discussion before ... On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 06:17 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > Is the former "Stereo KYMN" pure mono now, or have they left the > Stereo pilot tone on, so that Delco radios will open up to full > bandwidth? From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Jun 04 23:51:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62390 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 06:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 06:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 06:51:11 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.1e.12c04c45 (16930) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 02:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e.12c04c45.2c104259@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 02:51:05 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: truly bipartisan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, we need more regulation to insure that we have diverse opinions. We don't want illegal monopolies like Clear Channel, Viacom and Cumulus Media brainwashing us with Communist propaganda. We need local radio, and the only way it can be done is through ownership limits. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Jun 04 23:51:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3000 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 06:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 06:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 06:51:11 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.184.1bee33b5 (16930) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 02:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <184.1bee33b5.2c104256@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 02:51:02 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, it's time to end corporate-controlled commercial radio in the United States. Taxpayer-supported public radio provides the only centrist news and talk. Commercial radio provides extremist programming (either extreme right wingers like Rush Limbaugh, Dr. Laura and Bill O'Reilly, or extreme left wingers like George Noory). Why would you want to cut the only centrist news and talk programming still available on the radio? The last bastion of free speech? There are several stations in the St. Louis market used primarily to train DJs. The most notable ones are 89-1 The Wood (KCLC 89.1 FM), which runs an album-oriented Adult Contemporary format from Lindenwood University in St. Charles, MO; 89.5 The Wave (KCFV), running an Alternative Rock format from St. Louis Community College's Florissant Valley campus in Ferguson, MO, and 89.9 WLCA, which broadcasts a similar format from Lewis and Clark Community College in Godfrey, IL. Many colleges and universities have had to either drop Broadcasting and/or complete Mass Communications programs altogether in recent years, due to budget pressures and the shrinking radio job market. Many major market NPR member stations are union shops. For instance, the University of Missouri-St. Louis had to drop broadcasting from their Mass Communications program in 1997 as part of an agreement between the management of KWMU (90.7 FM) and the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA). Many of these Christian stations on the NCE band are there because there aren't any slots available on the commercial band (AM or FM). In 1997, Jacor Communications bought St. Louis' only Contemporary Christian radio station, WCBW (104.9 FM), and changed format to Urban Contemporary, moving the format and KMJM calls from 107.7 FM. There are no Christian radio stations on the commercial FM band in the immediate St. Louis area; the Contemporary Christian station that eventually signed on the air, Joy FM (97.7 FM Potosi, MO/94.1 FM Bowling Green, MO), barely covers the market. Many Christians in the northern suburbs cannot depend on either signal, so they're forced to tune into WIBI (91.1 FM) out of Carlinville. When St. Louis got another Christian FM in 1996, no commercial frequency was available for Bott Broadcasting Company for KSIV-FM; they had to buy non-commercial KSLH (91.5 FM) instead. Christian radio is meant as an outreach ministry, not as a way to make money. Many are not-for-profit; they put every dime they make from the donations received from businesses and churches into the operation. Public radio is also not-for-profit; each dime received from donors is put toward the overall operation. We need more non-commercial educational radio stations...not fewer. Corporate radio should be eliminated, not public radio. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 00:29:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13424 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 07:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 07:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 07:29:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 07:29:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 07:29:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: truly bipartisan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1a8.151afb46.2c104254@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 433 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > No, that wasn't what Hitler said. When we had ownership limits, we had > discipline and sanity. Hitler actually cozied up to big business in Germany; Der > Fuehrer would have cozied up to someone like Lowry Mays if he were still around. > Hitler didn't cozy up to small business at all. The dictionary definition of Fascism, for what it's worth. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner1@mac.com Thu Jun 05 00:38:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48395 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 07:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 07:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 07:38:01 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030605073752.HBUX4644.fed1mtao06.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 03:37:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 00:37:59 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <184.1bee33b5.2c104256@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I disagree completely, and additionally feel it is SO off-topic that it should be moved to another list. On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 11:51 PM, n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > Actually, it's time to end corporate-controlled commercial radio in the > United States. Taxpayer-supported public radio provides the only > centrist news and > talk. From rwagoner1@mac.com Thu Jun 05 00:42:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84428 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 07:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 07:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 07:42:24 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030605074214.HCLS7020.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 03:42:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 00:42:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Ramsey Kits To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3E9C6AAA-9729-11D7-8DF0-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I realize I am risking being clobbered by this question, but do the Ramsey AM transmitter kits have decent bandwidth at all? Such as the AM25? Can stereo be added? Richard Looking for AM stereo broadcasting on the cheap ... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 01:35:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66804 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 08:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 08:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 08:35:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 08:35:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 08:35:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: lost another one (KYMN) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <153D8D93-971E-11D7-A179-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1542 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is that something new to Delco? My '91 S-10 AM stereo was wide open > as long as the switch was pressed, even for mono. Seems like we had > this discussion before ... The newer AMAX type (1993+) Delco radios have an automatically variable bandwidth, with at least three manual steps: without the "AM ST" button pushed in, you're stuck with narrow-bandwidth mono reception (maybe 3 kHz's worth of audio at best). Pushing the button in gives you a medium bandwidth, with about a 6 kHz response. However, when an AM Stereo signal is tuned in, it opens up to full AMAX bandwidth, with the ultimate amount of audio response and Stereo separation depending on the signal strength. The downside of this, though, is that mono AM stations cannot be received with full bandwidth, no matter how strong they are -- nor can signals be received in AM Stereo in narrow bandwidth mode, as would be optimum for DXing or in cases of adjacent channel interference. The Chrysler AMAX radios are a bit more sophisticated in that the variable bandwidth is in effect all the time, for both mono and Stereo signals. Strong mono stations (yes, even WOR these days) sound fantastic with the full AMAX quality, and weak signals can still be received in full Stereo as long as they are stable enough to allow the Stereo blend to remain open. I'm not sure exactly how the Ford/Visteon radios behave, but they do have some sort of automatically variable bandwidth, allowing both mono and Stereo signals to be received with AMAX-quality audio. From dav259@csiro.au Thu Jun 05 01:38:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71476 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 08:38:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 08:38:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 08:38:27 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h558cQh27807 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:38:26 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:38:26 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: IBOC radios / PBS In-Reply-To: <1c8.ab526d1.2c101fcb@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > IBOC will drive up the cost of a radio...such a radio you mention, > Ian, will most likely cost in the area of $1,000. No one can afford > it. Well not even as a lover of radio would I ever spend A$1700 on a radio even if it had AMS and golden knobs. This is ludicrous. The few AMS radios sold here were a little dearer than AM-mono/FM-stereo similar models but only by up to about 20% - and every penny well worth it. I've just seen yesterdays PBS Newshour - which is screened Mon-Friday on our free-to-air (broadcast) govt owned SBS. It featured quite a piece on the FCC ruling and surprisingly several Republican members were strongly against it. Michael Powell appeared to read everything from a script. It makes you wonder if he could actually put a few words together by himself. Perhaps when there are fewer owners more people might appreciate PBS and NPR - which seem to be run on a shoestring by people who care. Ian Melbourne From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 01:41:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11653 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 08:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 08:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 08:41:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 08:41:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 08:41:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Just a reminder Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 339 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics There are better and more relevant places in which to discuss the FCC's decision about de-regulation of the radio industry and the associated politics. We are here to talk about AM Stereo and all directly related aspects, to which that particular issue has only a minor and tangential relation. Kevin T. Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 02:11:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30236 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 09:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 09:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 09:11:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 09:11:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 09:11:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another approach? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 613 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Although the Alfredo & Alfredo Light C-QUAM transmitters are, as far as I know, the only C-QUAM transmitter designs online, and short of commercial broadcast exciters, the only ones available...or so it seems. There is, however, a few pages that mention an exciter project intended for amateur radio, that as far as I could tell, could be modified for AM stereo modes. One such page is here: http://www.seboldt.net/k0jd/r2t2stn.html I don't have much further info on the R2 & T2 modules, but I'm sure others here can find out, and see if it's possible to modify for various AMS modes. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Jun 05 05:31:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37412 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 12:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 12:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 12:31:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 12:31:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:31:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ramsey Kits Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E9C6AAA-9729-11D7-8DF0-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2116 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I believe its posible to add AM Stereo to the AM25, but its probably a major rebuild. I like Ramsey's FM gear - in spite of the spurs - but consider this: 1. Years ago, when I asked the Ramsey Techs what the top end frequency response on the AM25, they replied - 3,000 Hz. 2. I have heard annecdotes from people who say they get up to 10,000 Hz top end out of the Ramsey AM25. Confusing? Possibly the Tech measured it with a "typical" AM receiver, and the receiver rolled it off. All they had to do is use a crystal radio! lol I have an Alfredo-Lite, built by our Chris Cuff, and it is absolutely delightful. Even my wife, who thinks my Zenith Trans- oceanics [H-500, L-600, Royal 1000D, near mint] are ugly [everyone else, male or female, thinks they are gorgeous], thinks the A-L is quite cute looking, with its clear plastic case. More importantly, the A-L works very well, a beautiful open sound on a GE SR III, and great stereo sound on a Sony SRF-42. Harmonic performance is good and there are no obnoxious spurs either. Power, as I understand it, is variable fron 2 to 10 mw. A Select-A-Tenna 541M [the one with the jack] makes a pretty good antenna tuner - the best results I've had by far. If you are looking for a micropower AM transmitter, stereo or mono, I'd go this route, the next time Chris is making a batch. BTW, in honour of CKBW Bridgewater NS, currently 98.1 Mhz but for many years on 1000 Khz, I went with the 1000 Khz frequency - perfectly open by day, a bit of 10khz whistle at night, courtesy of WINS. Phil R. PEI Canada P.S. With regular use, the A-L whips through AA alkalines pretty fast. I rigged upa 4 D cell and 2 D cell holders from RS, wired them in series, and now my A-L goes seemingly forever on 6 D Duracells. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I realize I am risking being clobbered by this question, but do the > Ramsey AM transmitter kits have decent bandwidth at all? Such as the > AM25? Can stereo be added? > > Richard > > Looking for AM stereo broadcasting on the cheap ... From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Jun 05 05:45:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 459 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 12:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 12:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 12:45:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 12:45:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:45:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: lost another one (KYMN) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2903 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking With my 1995 era Delco [UX-1 sucessor] there appear to be 3 bandwidths - narrow {AM ST out], wider [AMST in], and AMAX [when the AM ST button is in, and a fairly strong AM Stereo signal is received. Picking up WTTM or CJLS [my two favourite AM Stereo sunset/sunrise stations] or in the past CJCH provided medium bandwidth stereo - my Sony SRF-42 makes it clear that these stations were/are broadcasting much beyond this medium bandwidth sound. CJFX, now on omnidirectional - as one of their 2 towers was taken apart and relocated for their 75kw of FM, has enough signal to open up the bandwidth. Of course, any day now, CJFX will be going dark, with CJLS due to follow - both are AM to FM flips with the usual CRTC requirement to surrender the AM license, after a brief period of simulcasting. CJFX previously has one low power FM, and CJLS two. CJFX's low power FM was replaced by the high power FM, same frequency, while CJLS will be retaining its low power FM repeaters. Low power is a relative term here - ranging from 2,750 to 6,000 watts in these examples. By the way, it appears that CJCH's dropping of AM Stereo was a conscious move - they are now modulating much louder in mono. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Is that something new to Delco? My '91 S-10 AM stereo was wide open > > as long as the switch was pressed, even for mono. Seems like we had > > this discussion before ... > > The newer AMAX type (1993+) Delco radios have an automatically > variable bandwidth, with at least three manual steps: without the > "AM ST" button pushed in, you're stuck with narrow-bandwidth mono > reception (maybe 3 kHz's worth of audio at best). Pushing the button > in gives you a medium bandwidth, with about a 6 kHz response. > > However, when an AM Stereo signal is tuned in, it opens up to full > AMAX bandwidth, with the ultimate amount of audio response and Stereo > separation depending on the signal strength. The downside of this, > though, is that mono AM stations cannot be received with full > bandwidth, no matter how strong they are -- nor can signals be > received in AM Stereo in narrow bandwidth mode, as would be optimum > for DXing or in cases of adjacent channel interference. > > The Chrysler AMAX radios are a bit more sophisticated in that the > variable bandwidth is in effect all the time, for both mono and > Stereo signals. Strong mono stations (yes, even WOR these days) > sound fantastic with the full AMAX quality, and weak signals can > still be received in full Stereo as long as they are stable enough > to allow the Stereo blend to remain open. > > I'm not sure exactly how the Ford/Visteon radios behave, but they do > have some sort of automatically variable bandwidth, allowing both > mono and Stereo signals to be received with AMAX-quality audio. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jun 05 05:56:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3537 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 12:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 12:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 12:56:35 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-107.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.107]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h55CuToG026348 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:56:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000d01c32b61$dfaa2e00$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: lost another one (KYMN) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:56:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No idea. I'll have to check next time I drive the Pathfinder down to work (has an AMS conversion radio.) Should know in a week or so. I'd like to get a more premium grade radio with AMS for my Escort, but I've got a bad front speaker which I need to replace first. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > Is the former "Stereo KYMN" pure mono now, or have they left the > Stereo pilot tone on, so that Delco radios will open up to full > bandwidth? From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jun 05 06:17:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3806 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 13:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 13:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 13:17:50 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-107.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.107]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h55DHjoG003569 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:17:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002101c32b64$d81b5620$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Actually mentions C-QUAM Stereo! Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:17:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Unfortunately every VCR made these days generates so much RFI that it interferes with the very signals I'm trying to receive. I'm about 40 miles away from most of the TV towers, and I have to keep the antenna a good 10+ ft. from the VCR to get a viewable picture. As for Dolby C- it's OK as long as it's played back in C. On everything else it sounds horrid. I use B or none at all. As for burning to CD, I don't have a CD burner nor the time to do all that; too much to do between family and work. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > As long as it doesn't generate too much RFI, an ordinary VHS "Hi-Fi > Stereo" VCR can provide *fantastic* audio recording that is nearly > indistinguishable from CD quality. Or, good ol' CrO2 or Metal > cassette tape with Dolby C NR can also provide excellent results -- > > Then, with any halfway-decent computer, you can hook up the VCR or > tape deck to the Line Input of the sound card, record the airchecks > to WAV files and burn them to CD. It's rather time-consuming, but > the results are well worth it when you can pop a CD into any player > and hear beautiful AM or AM Stereo sound at your command! > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jun 05 06:41:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76120 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 13:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 13:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 13:41:33 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-78.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.78]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h55DfQoG012510 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:41:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007f01c32b68$27f581e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <3E9C6AAA-9729-11D7-8DF0-0005021D3C76@mac.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ramsey Kits Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:41:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I haven't heard too much that's good about the AM-25, though I don't have any first hand experience. Stereo could be added, but I think it would be more trouble than it's worth. There is a place on the Alfredo Lite where a signal could be tapped off to feed what would be the oscillator output of the Ramsey. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 2:42 AM Subject: {AMSF} Ramsey Kits > I realize I am risking being clobbered by this question, but do the > Ramsey AM transmitter kits have decent bandwidth at all? Such as the > AM25? Can stereo be added? > > Richard From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Jun 05 07:31:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3518 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 14:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 14:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 14:31:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 14:31:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:31:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ramsey Kits Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007f01c32b68$27f581e0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2050 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 64.236.235.240 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq The AM-25 is a tough way to go for AM stereo but it can be done. I did it. Mine is on the air but if you drive it with a CQAUM exciter you still may find it has unsatisfactory IQM performance in the final. In other words as the final amplitude modulates it also produces unwanted phase modulation type products. This shows up as crud in the L-R channel. The Ramsey engineers can't design to save their lives. Anyway, I'm using the AM-25 to drive a an RF final with a series modulator that I homebrewed. Audio for the modulator comes from a Radio Design Labs line amplifier. Stereo is not CQUAM. I injected the L-R signal into the PLL of the Ramsey to produce sort of a Magnavox signal. A 25 Hz pilot lights up CQUAM receivers and they will hear stereo but probably with some distortion. It sounds real good on my Sony SRF-42. As far as the audio of the AM-25 goes it is far better than 3KHz on the top end and with a little modification can sound OK. I but as I said I decided to chuck it and go my own way. Right now it is probably the best sounding AM station on my block. Credit for the audio processing goes to another member of this board. Visit the web site at: http://www.Wa2fnq.Hamradios.com/gli/1290gli.htm Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I haven't heard too much that's good about the AM-25, though I don't have > any first hand experience. Stereo could be added, but I think it would be > more trouble than it's worth. There is a place on the Alfredo Lite where a > signal could be tapped off to feed what would be the oscillator output of > the Ramsey. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Wagoner" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 2:42 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Ramsey Kits > > > > I realize I am risking being clobbered by this question, but do the > > Ramsey AM transmitter kits have decent bandwidth at all? Such as the > > AM25? Can stereo be added? > > > > Richard From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 07:37:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84341 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 14:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 14:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 14:28:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 14:27:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:27:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC is back on 710 WOR - but improved Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1657 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Alas, 710 WOR's brief renaissance of high-quality analog radio is now over -- I tuned them in this morning and their IBOC digital signal has made a reapparance. However, whatever changes/updates they made to the IBOC generator have resulted in a definite improvement. Their analog audio sounds like it's still limited to 5 kHz, however, the large amount of "ringing" distortion that previously marred it is now gone, resulting in a much cleaner sound than before. I will check after sunset tonight to see if they keep it at 5 or 6 kHz at night or switch it to the full 10 kHz when the IBOC sidebands are off. More importantly, the level of interference that WOR's digital sidebands are causing to nearby channels is much less -- even less than when they first started broadcasting in IBOC last October. On a moderately selective radio, I can now actually receive 690 and 740 kHz with a decent amount of clarity, although 700 and 720 kHz are still obliterated by the "hash" and 730 kHz still has the annoying "squealing" effect. However, it's definitely better than before, when even on my most selective receivers, WOR's IBOC signal was clobbering the band with "splatter" all the way from 680 to 750 kHz. WOR may indeed be transmitting their digital sidebands at a lower strength than before, so hopefully they won't just increase it back up to full blast, just below the NRSC mask, because then most of these improvements would be negated. As for the digital side of their signal, we'll just have to wait until new audio samples are available -- if ever -- to judge what, if any, improvements in quality have been made. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 07:44:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17469 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 14:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 14:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 14:42:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 14:42:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:42:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ramsey Kits Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 557 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I tried a Ramsey AM-1 once and it was an absolute piece of garbage. Even with upgraded capacitors (with a claimed improvement in stability), it transmitted more FM than AM, and drifted all over the band. The AM-25 obviously should be an improvement, but I've never heard much good about it. If Chris can make an "Alfredo Lite" for you, then that would be the absolute best choice in its price range, aside from getting lucky on eBay and obtaining a secondhand AM Stereo signal generator (like Panasonic's multi-system and C-Quam-only models). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 08:02:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85733 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 14:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 14:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 14:36:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 14:35:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:35:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: lost another one (KYMN) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 662 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > it appears that CJCH's dropping of AM Stereo was a conscious move - they are now modulating much louder in mono. That's probably not so much a conscious move as it is an equipment fault, as with any properly adjusted equipment, there is no difference in maximum modulation level between mono and AM Stereo -- both can be and commonly are modulated to the maximum level of +125 and -100 percent. I know that the 1680 WTTM of which you speak is transmitting their beautiful AM Stereo sound at something like +123% and -99%, just a smidge below the legal limits, as all AM stations -- even mono -- commonly do to avoid any chance of overmodulating. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Jun 05 08:08:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36618 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 15:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 15:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 15:08:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 15:06:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:06:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ramsey Kits Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2242 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking The Ramsey FM25A and especially the FM25B are actually quite good, although certainly not professional broadcast quality - especially with regard to spurs, harmonics etc. Hook them up to a spectrum analyzer, and I suspect they would shock just about ever member of the forum. But they sound pretty good, better than the typical overprocessed commercial FM. The FM10A is a drifty toy, not as good as the same or cheaper priced Canakit VCO & BA1404 chip combo, that uses high quality capacitors and is fairly stable. North Country radio carries some AM and FM transmitter kits which might be of interest. I haven't tried them, but they look interesting. There is a cheap Vectronics AM transmitter kit that is supposed to be pretty decent - mono of course. However, my vote for the most "pro" microbroadcaster transmitter, AM or FM, would be the Alfredo-Lite. Although I like my FM-25B, I really haven't used it since I got my Alfredo-Lite, while Canadian stations are flipping from AM to FM in droves, I flipped from FM Stereo to AM Stereo! My range is poor, but that is due to the low power output and the fact that I haven't done anything exotic antenna wise. Essentially, my signal sticks to my 1/3 acre lot, and anything deep fringe beyond that is wiped out by EMI. I'm totally legal and plan to keep it that way. Without an antenna tuner, its hard to receive in stereo - but when I use the SAT 541M as an antenna tuner on the Alfredo - Lite to tune a short wire antenna - 8 feet -, stereo works great. Phil R. Playing with my toys in my basement! ;) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I tried a Ramsey AM-1 once and it was an absolute piece of garbage. > Even with upgraded capacitors (with a claimed improvement in > stability), it transmitted more FM than AM, and drifted all over the > band. > > > The AM-25 obviously should be an improvement, but I've never heard > much good about it. If Chris can make an "Alfredo Lite" for you, then > that would be the absolute best choice in its price range, aside from > getting lucky on eBay and obtaining a secondhand AM Stereo signal > generator (like Panasonic's multi-system and C-Quam-only models). From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 10:35:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99404 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 17:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 17:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 17:15:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 17:14:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 17:13:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ramsey Kits Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 671 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: =snip= > Without an antenna tuner, its hard to receive in stereo - but when I > use the SAT 541M as an antenna tuner on the Alfredo - Lite to tune a > short wire antenna - 8 feet -, stereo works great. The best thing you can possibly do would be to get either an antenna tuner or a tuned loading coil (I knew someone who knew about tuned coils), and attatch that ground wite to a good ground- either to a set of rods hammered deep enough or your cold-water pipes. Doing this will still keep you legal, and you'/ll get much more coverage out of your Alfredo Lite. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Jun 05 12:22:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98880 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 19:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 19:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 19:22:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 19:22:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 19:22:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2271 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.212 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > > > If you look at the I & Q vectors for both QuAM and ISB generated > > from QuAM you will see that during a single channel transmittion > > that modulates the I channel +100% the Q channel for QuAM is at > > its maximum peak during PEP and this puts the composite envelope > > at 12% greater voltage wise than what the envelope would be during > > a mono transmittion or 25% greater power wise. > > I agree with that, although I am not sure I understand its relevance > to my "AM-Stereo-Rules" AM improvement plan, which is essentially a > fresh sheet of paper, and as such need not cater to any existing > receiver technology? > > Also I suspect that with a given "maximum peak PEP", QUAM will allow > a considerably higher single channel modulation level than will > linear ISB. I will check this and get back with another post. OK, as promised I had a chance to take a more rigorous look at the situation, this time on paper using trigonometry, rather than with vectors in my head. Once I got all my plus and minus signs correct, at least I hope I have them correct, I found that the "PEP" for single channel modulation with linear ISB is lower than with QUAM. and my suspicion stated in the last paragraph above was incorrect. At first I couldn't understand why the vector analysis didn't work, until finally I realized that doing it in my head I had lost track of a small but important point that messed up the answer. Drawing the vectors on paper, rather than in my head, I got the same answer as with the trigonometry based solution. So it looks like linear ISB wins over QUAM for my "AM-Stereo-Rules" AM improvement plan on at least three points: 1.) Non technical advantage 2.) Lower sensitivity to platform motion 3.) Lower "PEP" for single channel modulation. Although it is not clear if the lower "PEP" requirement with single channel modulation is actually a benefit that can be realized, as the worst case "PEP" requirement seems to be identical for both systems, the input conditions which cause the worst case "PEP" are just different for the two very similar systems. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 15:06:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16133 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 22:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 22:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 22:04:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2003 22:03:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:03:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC is back on 710 WOR - second opinion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 857 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Listening more closely on a variety of radios this afternoon, the changes to 710 WOR's IBOC/"HD Radio" signal are not quite as drastic as it first appeared. The distortion is still present in their 5 kHz analog audio, and is especially annoying on higher-quality radios, although the combination of a narrow-bandwidth car radio and road noise effectively masks most of it. And their IBOC sidebands might be at a slightly lower level than before, but not by much. On a sensitive receiver, WOR's IBOC signal still causes "splatter" all the way from 680 to 750 kHz on the dial. WOR's engineers adamantly claim that this is caused by "front end overload" in my receiver, not by anything they're transmitting, but that doesn't explain why I have obvserved it more than 50 miles away from their transmitter site, even on very selective receivers. From mwdx@gentoo.net Thu Jun 05 16:04:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwdx@gentoo.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64834 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 22:58:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2003 22:58:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.lanl.gov) (128.165.4.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2003 22:58:47 -0000 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h55MwkeH019406 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:58:46 -0600 Received: from gentoo.net (romulus.lanl.gov [128.165.209.40]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h55MwkpR017190 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:58:46 -0600 Message-ID: <3EDFCB3C.70305@gentoo.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:59:08 -0600 Organization: Pojoaque Medium Wave DXers Club User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, es, zh-cn, af, sq, ar, ar-dz, ar-bh, ar-eg, ar-iq, ar-jo, ar-kw, ar-lb, ar-ly, ar-ma, ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye, hy, ast, eu, be, bs, bg, ca, zh, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, hr, cs, da, nl, nl-be, en-au, en-bz, en-ca, en-ie, en-jm, en-nz, en-ph, en-za, en-tt, en-gb, en-zw, eo, et, fo, fi, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch, gl, ka, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, hu, is, id, in, ga, it, it-ch, ja, ko, ko-kp, ko-kr, lv, lt, mk-mk, ms, no, nb, nn, pl, pt, pt-br, ro, ru, gd, sr, sk, sl, sb, es-ar, es-bo, es-cl, es-co, es-cr, es-do, es-ec, es-sv, es-gt, es-hn, es-mx, es-ni, es-pa, es-py, es-pe, es-pr, es-es, es-uy, es-ve, sv, sv-fi, th, tr, uk, vi, cy, xh, yi, zu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5 digit dialing References: <7283-3EDEB2CA-1345@storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: <7283-3EDEB2CA-1345@storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mike Westfall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118377141 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6kuy oldphones@webtv.net wrote: > Locally, Nebraska is still with just two area codes 402 and 308. > Across the missouri river Western Iowa is 712. Iowa now is up to 5 > codes. I can see Lincoln splitting off from Omaha as a new area code in > the next few years. There's only one area code (505) for all of New Mexico. Even so, I still have to dial all ten digits when calling Albuquerque... Until I figured that out, I was a bit confused with calls not being able to be completed. -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 17:08:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60998 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 00:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2003 00:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 00:08:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2003 00:08:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 00:08:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC is back on 710 WOR - second opinion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1387 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > WOR's engineers adamantly claim that this is caused by "front end > overload" in my receiver, not by anything they're transmitting, but > that doesn't explain why I have obvserved it more than 50 miles away > from their transmitter site, even on very selective receivers. Actually, I would agree somewhat with the "front-end overload" hypothesis. The radio effectively sees the digital subband as being either with reduced carrier (it would be ~15-0 dB off of the carrier, which by the way, is what causes distorted audio when you tune off a carrier, anyway), and be receivable within the radio's selective bandwidth. (If you're radio can receive +/- 10kHz, even with, say, a ~6dB reduction at 10kHz- the NRSC curve- as long as any part of the digital subband is within the detectable bandwidth, it'll get at least that portion of it. And it will be LOUD, even if it's -35dB from carrier, which is what they're supposed to be set at.) I hope I made any sense. :) So, on most radios, you WILL hear the IBOC subbands within the first- and second-adjacent channels quite readily, just because the digital falls within a detectable bandwidth. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (You see, that's the problem I have with IBOC- there is NO respect for radios or near-adjacent-channel nearby broadcasters.) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 18:34:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23030 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 01:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2003 01:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 01:34:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2003 01:34:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 01:34:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC is back on 710 WOR - second opinion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3225 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > and be receivable within the radio's selective bandwidth. (If > you're radio can receive +/- 10kHz, even with, say, a ~6dB > reduction at 10kHz- the NRSC curve- as long as any part of the > digital subband is within the detectable bandwidth, it'll get at > least that portion of it. The issue is that even on a high quality car radio -- which are naturally more selective than home radios because of their Tuned RF front end -- with a narrow 3 kHz filter, I can still hear "splatter" from WOR's signal throughout the range of 680 to 750 kHz. Obviously, in a normal situation, a radio with a +/- 3 kHz bandwidth tuned to 750 kHz would not hear any trace of a signal on 710 kHz, unless you were practically parked at the transmitter site and had enough RF to *truly* overload the radio's front end. At 50+ miles away, even a 500,000-watt station should pose no threat to reception of a frequency 40 kHz away. (And thanks to directional arrays, that does happen -- for example, the main "beam" of 900 CHML's sharply directional daytime signal has an effective radiated power of over 800,000 watts!) And more importantly, this "splatter" that I have been hearing whenever WOR's IBOC signal is active is pseudo-modulated along with their analog audio -- it is not a constant hiss. It is a harsh kind of "crackle" that rises and falls in intensity along with WOR's audio. I'm no expert, but this seems awfully similar to the type of "splatter" that is caused when an ordinary AM station overmodulates. Since this "splatter" I'm hearing does *not* occur when WOR isn't broadcasting IBOC, and *only* appears when their IBOC signal is active, I wonder if their modulation meters are taking into account the modulation that is "taken up" by the digital sidebands? Say you take a plain analog AM signal modulated to +125% / -100%, which is perfectly legal... then you add IBOC sidebands on top of it. Doesn't that push the total modulation past the legal limit? IBOC isn't like AM Stereo -- not all of it is contained as phase modulation... its primary and secondary sidebands are modulated as plain old AM. And if the station is still modulating the analog audio at the legal limit, like WOR is, then how does that leave any "room" to accomodate the digital sidebands, without pushing the total combined analog+digital modulation level past +125%? This is somewhat similar to the distinction between resistive and reactive loads on an AC power line. If you put a reactive power load on an AC line, then it won't show up on an ordinary electric meter (designed to measure kW/h) -- but that doesn't mean that the electricity isn't being consumed... it just isn't being *measured*. p.s. to WOR's engineers -- please keep in mind that I am *not* accusing WOR of transmitting in an illegal manner. I am simply trying to think of ways to explain what I am experiencing, because it has yet to be explained by WOR, iBiquity, or anyone else. iBiquity's field tests may have overlooked this issue, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist -- just ask anybody within a ~75 mile radius of WOR's transmitter site who is trying to receive 690 WPHE or 740 WGSM while WOR's IBOC signal is active. From alfredot@inetarena.com Thu Jun 05 18:35:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99896 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 01:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2003 01:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 01:35:15 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust230.tnt15.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [67.227.162.230]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h561UaOt023262 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:33:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo receiver bites the dust In-Reply-To: <1054713349.456.45390.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Does anybody have information on the power transformer used in the Technics SA929 receiver? The transformer has two secondary windings, a high-current winding with a center tap and a low current winding without a center tap. The identifying markings are a Matsushita logo and: FP-1 SLT5M460 ETP66PU87A Alfredo From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 19:27:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1869 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 02:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2003 02:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 02:27:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2003 02:27:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 02:27:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC is back on 710 WOR - second opinion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2421 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > and be receivable within the radio's selective bandwidth. (If > > you're radio can receive +/- 10kHz, even with, say, a ~6dB > > reduction at 10kHz- the NRSC curve- as long as any part of the > > digital subband is within the detectable bandwidth, it'll get at > > least that portion of it. > > The issue is that even on a high quality car radio -- which are > naturally more selective than home radios because of their Tuned RF > front end -- with a narrow 3 kHz filter, I can still hear "splatter" > from WOR's signal throughout the range of 680 to 750 kHz. > > Obviously, in a normal situation, a radio with a +/- 3 kHz bandwidth > tuned to 750 kHz would not hear any trace of a signal on 710 kHz, > unless you were practically parked at the transmitter site and had > enough RF to *truly* overload the radio's front end. At 50+ miles > away, even a 500,000-watt station should pose no threat to reception > of a frequency 40 kHz away. (And thanks to directional arrays, that > does happen -- for example, the main "beam" of 900 CHML's sharply > directional daytime signal has an effective radiated power of over > 800,000 watts!) I'll let the more technical get into the rest of your post, but please keep in mind a +/-3kHz filter is NOT a "brick wall" filter, but a filter that rolls off at -6dB from 3kHz, and may have audio registering up to 10kHz or so, depending on how many dB down along the roll-off it goes. (This is also how the NRSC curve works, and why iBiquity justifies the IBOC subbands at a reduced power to the carrier based on the curve. Unfortunately, the curve, as has been pointed out, was intended for analog audio, which is less prominent at those frequencies to begin with -before- the curve is implemented, and not a steady digital source, as the IBOC subbands are.) A common misconception is that bandwidth filters cut off at the frequency specified, which isn't true- That's where it starts to roll off, and the rolloff is given as a decrease in decibels at that frequency. What is passed after that is attenuated, but not necessarily elimidated, and the attenuation follows a curve. Now I'll let the experts pick things over, to correct both of us. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Hey, if FCC politics are off-topic here, shouldn't IBOC be, too, since it isn't about AM stereo? :) ) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 19:48:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32229 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 02:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2003 02:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 02:48:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2003 02:48:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 02:48:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC is back on 710 WOR - second opinion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1138 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'll let the more technical get into the rest of your post, but > please keep in mind a +/-3kHz filter is NOT a "brick wall" filter, > but a filter that rolls off at -6dB from 3kHz, and may have audio > registering up to 10kHz or so, depending on how many dB down along > the roll-off it goes. What I am hearing is much different than the high-frequency hiss that plagues reception of adjacent and second-adjacent channels surrounding an IBOC signal. I am hearing wide-band crackling "splatter" that is audible even with a strict "brick wall" filter at 3 kHz or less. You may refer to two audio samples I uploaded to the group's Files section to get an example of what I am hearing, both during normal daytime operation of WOR's IBOC signal, at during their special nighttime testing back in January: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/digital/ > (Hey, if FCC politics are off-topic here, shouldn't IBOC be, too, > since it isn't about AM stereo? :) ) IBOC, as it currently exists, is a method of broadcasting stereo audio on the AM band, therefore it is allowed to be discussed here, just like DRM. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Jun 05 20:19:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14481 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 03:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2003 03:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 03:19:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2003 03:19:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 03:19:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC is back on 710 WOR - second opinion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 771 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Kevin, I'm not an IBOC proponent but I've said this before and I'll say it again: There is no splatter or spurious garbage from WOR here on Long Island. I'm in Northport which is @35 - 40 miles east of NYC in a good signal area for WOR. 740 doesn't count because their transmitter is down the road but I can listen to 730 and 690 just fine with no problem. The only thing I hear is the IBOC sidebands where they should be. I wish I knew why you're hearing what you're hearing but it's not happening here. Sorry. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: -- just ask anybody within a ~75 mile > radius of WOR's transmitter site who is trying to receive 690 WPHE > or 740 WGSM while WOR's IBOC signal is active. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Jun 05 21:39:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4203 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 04:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2003 04:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.244.97) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 04:39:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:39:04 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav40.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 04:39:04 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: General Motors AM Stereo Radio Pic's Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:38:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2003 04:39:04.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F4E3BC0:01C32BE5] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey check this out, I found it on a local Garbage heap. It has a button for AMS. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Jun 05 21:41:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38774 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 04:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2003 04:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 04:41:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2003 04:41:29 -0000 Date: 6 Jun 2003 04:41:29 -0000 Message-ID: <1054874489.2610.27819.w69@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Im000251.jpg Uploaded by : kc8gpd Description : AM Stereo GM You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Im000251.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kc8gpd From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Jun 05 21:43:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42224 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 04:43:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2003 04:43:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.244.203) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 04:43:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:43:30 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav68.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 04:43:29 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Fw: {AMSF} General Motors AM Stereo Radio Pic's Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:43:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2003 04:43:30.0181 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D77E350:01C32BE6] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I uploaded the pic's to the file section of the group. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis 88.3 FM Stereo AM 1610 Real Community Radio!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:38 AM Subject: {AMSF} General Motors AM Stereo Radio Pic's Hey check this out, I found it on a local Garbage heap. It has a button for AMS. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 21:48:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8715 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 04:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2003 04:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 04:48:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2003 04:48:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 04:48:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC is back on 710 WOR - second opinion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2120 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I wish I knew why you're hearing what you're hearing but it's not > happening here. Sorry. Keep in mind that 710 WOR is a directional signal. Therefore, in addition to varying amounts of effective radiated power, there will also be other variations in how their signal is received in various areas. One prominent example of this is 620 WSNR. In certain parts of New Jersey, the sidebands of their directional signal are so unbalanced that they're effectively received as a single-sideband station, causing large amounts of distortion in their audio. WSNR is not *transmitting* with this flaw, and listeners in other directions don't hear it at all, but it is an artifact of reception of their signal. Similarly, I have noticed this effect of wideband "splatter" from WOR's IBOC signal throughout Somerset and Middlesex Counties in NJ, but this is in the "minor" lobe of their directional signal -- the "legacy" lobe aimed at Philadelphia. WOR's major lobe, aimed straight at NYC, may very well act differently when it accomodates their IBOC signal. Indeed, in my area I have noticed that WOR's upper sidebands are stronger than their lower sidebands. For example, 680 kHz can provide listenable reception of a distant daytime signal, while 730 kHz is *completely* obliterated by the IBOC hiss -- yet both are 20 kHz away from WOR's carrier. Obviously, WOR is not transmitting with one side of their signal stronger than the other, but that's how all my radios receive it in this area. I also did not have any problems with the kind of "splatter" I have described from Lucent's IBOC test station 1700 WI2XAM, when they were on the air, even when driving right past the Lucent offices at which they were transmitting from. Obviously WI2XAM was only 50 watts, not 50,000 like WOR, but I'd think that any such splatter, if it existed, would be at least as strong at within a few hundred feet of a 50-watt signal as it is at 25 to 50+ miles from a 50,000-watt signal.... but instead, no splatter was to be heard from WI2XAM, beyond the normal occupied bandwidth of their IBOC signal. From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Jun 06 05:26:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45854 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 12:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2003 12:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 12:26:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2003 12:26:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:26:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC is back on 710 WOR - second opinion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.64 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > One prominent example of this is 620 WSNR. In certain parts of > New Jersey, the sidebands of their directional signal are so > unbalanced that they're effectively received as a single-sideband > station, causing large amounts of distortion in their audio. WSNR > is not *transmitting* with this flaw, and listeners in other > directions don't hear it at all, but it is an artifact of reception > of their signal. From what you say it sounds like they *are* *transmitting* with this flaw, at least if you consider the antenna array to be part of the transmission system. It is not an artifact of *reception*, it is an artifact of *transmission* > Indeed, in my area I have noticed that WOR's upper sidebands are > stronger than their lower sidebands. For example, 680 kHz can > provide listenable reception of a distant daytime signal, while > 730 kHz is *completely* obliterated by the IBOC hiss -- yet both are > 20 kHz away from WOR's carrier. Hmmm, I think a remedial math class may be in order here! John From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Jun 06 06:04:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70555 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 13:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2003 13:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 13:04:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2003 13:04:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:04:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT - CRTC encouraging live to air programming! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 12562 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I saw this recent decision by the CRTC and thought the group may be interested. Even though it does not deal with AM Stereo, it does deal with concentration of ownership, voice tracking versus live to air, etc. etc. It also gives a bit of a basis to compare how the CRTC deals with things compared to the FCC. I am not reproducing the whole decision - just relevant portions. Broadcasting Decision CRTC 2003-171 Ottawa, 3 June 2003 Andrew Newman and Andrew Bell, on behalf of a corporation to be incorporated St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador Newfoundland Broadcasting Company Limited St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador Applications 2001-0588-4 and 2002-0199-7 Public Hearing at St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador 10 December 2002 FM radio station in St. John's The Commission approves the application by Andrew Newman and Andrew Bell, on behalf of a corporation to be incorporated, for a broadcasting licence to operate an English-language FM radio station in St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador. The competing application by Newfoundland Broadcasting Company Limited is denied. The applications 1. At the 10 December 2002 public hearing, the Commission considered competing applications by Andrew Newman and Andrew Bell, on behalf of a corporation to be incorporated (Newman/Bell) and by Newfoundland Broadcasting Company Limited (NBCL). Each applicant requested a broadcasting licence to operate an English-language FM radio station in St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador. The applications were not technically mutually exclusive. Newman/Bell proposed to operate at 101.1 MHz (channel 266C) with an effective radiated power (ERP) of 20,000 watts1, while NBCL proposed to operate at 95.7 MHz (channel 239C) with an ERP of 100,000 watts. Each applicant, nevertheless, strongly maintained that the St. John's radio market could not support the licensing of two new radio stations at this time. 2. Newman/Bell proposed to operate a commercial FM radio station that would offer an adult contemporary music format targeted to adults aged 24-54 years, with a particular appeal to females within that group. All of the programming broadcast by the station would be locally produced and most of it would be live-to-air. 3. The proposed licensee corporation of Newman/Bell would be controlled by two shareholders: Andrew Bell (51%) and Andrew Newman (49%). The applicant stated that Mr. Newman is an experienced broadcaster familiar with the St. John's radio market and that Mr. Bell has many years of business experience in Newfoundland and Labrador, including 11 years of media buying. 4. NBCL proposed to operate a commercial FM radio station that would offer an easy listening/adult contemporary music format targeted to the 18-49 year age group, particularly to female listeners. All of the programming broadcast by the station would be produced locally and would feature Newfoundland and Labrador artists prominently in the music mix. While the applicant planned to offer some live-to-air segments, it intended to make extensive use of voice tracking. 5. NBCL is ultimately controlled by Mr. Geoff W. Stirling of St. John's and is the licensee of radio station CHOZ-FM St. John's and its eight retransmitters located in eastern, north-central and western Newfoundland. NBCL is also the licensee of television station CJON-TV St. John's and its 15 rebroadcasting stations located across the province. CJON-TV is the only source of private television service available over the air in Newfoundland and Labrador. In addition, Mr. Stirling owns The Newfoundland Herald, a weekly entertainment newsmagazine. [snip] 11. In its assessment of applications for new commercial radio stations, the Commission takes into account four main factors or bases of comparison that it has identified as being relevant. While the relative importance of the factors will vary depending on the specific circumstances of the market, these factors are: the impact of a new entrant on existing stations; the competitive state of the market; the diversity of news voices in the market; and the quality of the applications2. Impact of a new entrant, competitive state of the market and diversity of news voices 12. The Commission's predisposition lies clearly in favour of increased competition and diversity, and the improvements in the overall quality of available services that these promote. At the same time, the Commission generally seeks to assure itself that the competitive impact of a new entrant to a radio market will not impinge unduly on the ability of existing stations to meet their programming responsibilities under the Act. 13. The competitive state of a market, as a factor in the Commission's consideration of applications proposing new commercial radio stations, is generally most relevant where an applicant is the licensee of an existing station in that market. The Commission's concern is not only that its licensing actions not create an undue competitive imbalance in the market but also, in such cases, that competition is promoted as much as is possible. [snip] Quality of the applications 23. The Commission uses four main criteria when assessing the quality of applications for new radio stations: commitments to support the development of Canadian talent; Canadian content commitments; the quality of the business plan, including the proposed format; and proposals for local programming and plans for providing reflection of the local community. [snip] 35. NBCL's business plan was also predicated on its ability to use the existing infrastructure of its current broadcasting holdings to launch the proposed station and to make extensive use of voice tracking with live assist technology3 to reduce programming expenses. The applicant planned to draw on the resources of over 40 existing staff currently shared between CHOZ-FM and CJON-TV, including on-air personalities and news staff. It stated that it would need to hire only between four and six new employees and that these new staff members would also be shared with its existing radio and television stations. [snip] 41. A key element of Newman/Bell's application was its commitment to reflect the needs of the local market by offering a substantial amount of local, live-to-air spoken word and music programming, and broadcasting a minimal amount of automated programming. The applicant submitted that automated programming lacks immediacy and, consequently, diminishes a broadcaster's ability to deliver relevant real-time local programming to its listeners. It claimed that the existing commercial radio stations in St. John's rely heavily on automated programming and contended that its commitment to offer a high level of live-to-air programming would significantly enhance local reflection and diversity in the market. 42. Specifically, Newman/Bell made a commitment to broadcast at least 14 hours of live-to-air programming in each broadcast day and to schedule this programming between 6 a.m. and 8 p.m. In each broadcast week, the station would offer a minimum of 3.5 hours of locally-produced news programming, focusing on local stories and including local sports and weather information. As part of its news programming, the station would broadcast local three-minute newscasts live-to-air on the hour and on the half-hour, each weekday, during the morning and afternoon drive periods. The station would air a 90-second "Feedback" segment twice each weekday, consisting of edited listener responses to a daily topic identified in a "question of the day". It would also broadcast a one-hour community access program, on either Saturday or Sunday, programmed by and targeted to local high school students. 43. In addition, Newman/Bell made a commitment to offer a weekly one- hour live broadcast from a local club featuring local talent as well as musicians from other parts of Newfoundland and Labrador. The applicant stated that it would not air commercial messages during this broadcast and that its annual budget for the initiative would be over and above the other programming expenses detailed in its business plan. In response to questioning at the hearing, Newman/Bell explained that, given the inherent uncertainties involved in securing a long term venue for a live broadcast from a local club, it could not agree to abide by this commitment by condition of licence. The applicant, nevertheless, confirmed that it would carry out the project. 44. For its part, NBCL proposed to offer 19 hours of live-to-air programming in each broadcast week. The live-to-air programming would include 4 hours of news, weather, traffic reporting and other information programming with 5-minute newscasts on the half-hour during the morning and afternoon drive period on weekdays. During the remaining 107 hours of the broadcast week, the applicant planned to broadcast voice tracking programming using live assist technology. [snip] 46. In the Commission's view, each of the applicants provided adequate plans for local programming and local reflection in their applications. Nevertheless, in its assessment of the two applications, the Commission concludes that the implementation of the programming proposals presented by Newman/Bell and, in particular, its commitment to broadcast a substantial amount of live- to-air programming on a daily basis throughout the broadcast day and the broadcast week, will provide the greater contribution to the level of local programming and local reflection available on the radio airwaves in St. John's. In comparison, NBCL proposed to offer a limited amount of live-to-air programming over the broadcast week and to schedule its programming dedicated to showcasing Newfoundland and Labrador talent in the very early morning hours on the weekends, times when there are significantly smaller radio audiences. 47. The Commission considers that both applicants have presented proposals for viable radio stations that would increase the range of choice available to listeners in St. John's. However, the licensing of Newman/Bell's proposal would provide a new radio voice in the market and thus add to the diversity of news voices and heighten the level of competition. By way of comparison, approval of NBCL's application would not contribute to the diversity of news voices. 48. For all of the reasons discussed in this decision, the Commission considers that the new FM station proposed by Newman/Bell will contribute to the furtherance of the objectives of the Act, particularly with respect to local and regional reflection, and that it is consistent with the Commission's criteria for evaluating competitive applications for commercial radio stations. 49. In light of the above, the Commission approves the application by Newman/Bell for a broadcasting licence to operate an English- language FM radio station in St. John's at 101.1 MHz (channel 266C) with an ERP of 20,000 watts. The competing application by NBCL is denied. 50. The Commission strongly expects Newman/Bell to fulfil its commitment to broadcast a minimum of 14 hours of live-to-air programming in each broadcast day and to schedule this programming between 6 a.m. and 8 p.m. [snip] Phil's Editorial Commentary This is an example of a much more proactive, regulatory CRTC, in sharp contrast to its decisions in recent years. What has given the CRTC more "moxey" is the behavior exhibited by various chains, such as Newcap, in gobbling everything up. Prior to this decision, there were only two commercial players in Newfoundland radio - Newcap and Newfoundland Broadcasting. Here in PEI - of 4 commercial stations, 3 are owned by MBS Radio, 1 by Newcap. But, Newcap has a LMA with MBS for CHTN, and thus MBS Radio controls 100% of private radio here on PEI. The CRTC last year ordered that by this summer, CHTN has to leave the LMA. It will be interesting to see what creative arguments MBS Radio comes up with to get around this! Needless to say, if I had the $ or several interested investors, I would be submitting an application to the CRTC for a new station to serve the Montague-Souris market. My heart would want AM Stereo, my head and my banker would want FM Stereo. depending on frequency allocations, it just might have to be AM after all. Phil R. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jun 06 06:10:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91154 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 13:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2003 13:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 13:10:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20030606131042.20900.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 06:10:42 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 06:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: General Motors AM Stereo Radio Pic's To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio A great find! Your radio appears to be a 1987-1990 Chevy Beretta or Corsica UX-1 radio, as it has the A/C controls built into the radio's faceplace. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 06 09:16:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80239 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 16:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2003 16:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 16:16:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2003 16:15:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:15:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC is back on 710 WOR - second opinion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 293 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hmmm, I think a remedial math class may be in order here! I meant to say 690 kHz and 730 kHz. WOR's digital sidebands are definitely stronger on 730 than on 690 at my location, although both are 20 kHz away from the carrier and WOR is transmitting equal strength on both sidebands. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Jun 06 11:48:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36695 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 18:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2003 18:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 18:48:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2003 18:48:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 18:48:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC is back on 710 WOR - second opinion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1205 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 64.236.235.240 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Kevin, I'm just disputing your statment of "ask anyone within a 75 mile radius of WOR". Just guessing at where you are and knowing where I am we're both inside that red line on the Radio Locator map and I'm a lot closer to the WOR transmitter than 75 miles. I'm probably closer than you are. WOR has one of the stronger signals out here. All I'm saying is I can't confirm your report. I believe you're hearing what you're hearing but I don't know why. There can be 1000 reasons, some of which I've explained here before. Sorry. I'm not taking sides. I just call them as I see them. I may be the area of the Meadowlands in a couple of weeks. If I have a chance I'll give a listen. Unfortunately I'll be sitting in the middle of how many 50,000 watt stations? You got me curious. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I wish I knew why you're hearing what you're hearing but it's not > > happening here. Sorry. > > Keep in mind that 710 WOR is a directional signal. Therefore, in > addition to varying amounts of effective radiated power, there will > also be other variations in how their signal is received in various > areas. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Jun 06 13:37:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90185 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 20:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2003 20:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 20:37:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2003 20:37:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 20:37:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1213 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: So it looks like linear ISB > wins over QUAM for my "AM-Stereo-Rules" AM improvement plan on at > least three points: > > 1.) Non technical advantage > > 2.) Lower sensitivity to platform motion > > 3.) Lower "PEP" for single channel modulation. > > Although it is not clear if the lower "PEP" requirement with single > channel modulation is actually a benefit that can be realized, as the > worst case "PEP" requirement seems to be identical for both systems, > the input conditions which cause the worst case "PEP" are just > different for the two very similar systems. > > John I guess another way of looking at it is for the same modulating levels for both I & Q vectors and the same carrier level ISB has lower PEP than QuAM. This means that overall signal strength can be increased for ISB so it will have the same PEP as QuAM but will have a greater effective loudness which translates to better s/n ratio. While this is about 1.8db greater for ISB over QuAM for the positive peak of the I modulating signal it is not a huge gain but I guess every little bit helps. I may try to do a vector drawing to demonstrate. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 06 18:47:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22974 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 01:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 01:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 01:47:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 01:47:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 01:47:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC is back on 710 WOR - second opinion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1836 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm just disputing your statment of "ask anyone within a 75 mile > radius of WOR". Perhaps this is true in *certain directions* and not in others, due to WOR's directional array. Back in 1997 or so, while tower maintenance was being done, WOR transmitted as 10 kW non-directional for a while. It would be interesting if they could try this again, as it would help to reveal how their directional array is affecting their IBOC signal. (For what it's worth, when 1680 WTTM was testing IBOC duing previous ownership, the head of engineering for Nassau Broadasting told me that at that time, IBOC could *not* be used on directional stations at all, hence the choice to use it on non-directional WTTM, versus their other AM stations.) Another interesting observation is that with my MCS-3050 tuner, when I tune to 760 kHz and adjust my Terk AM Advantage loop antenna in a manner which maximizes the strength of 770 WABC's signal, I hear a kind of "crackling splatter" coming from WABC on this adjacent channel. The same method also produces "crackling splatter" from WOR on adjacent channels when they are transmitting a pure analog signal. But if I readjust the Terk antenna so that it isn't focused upon WABC or WOR's signal, this "cracking splatter" interference goes away entirely. But when WOR is transmitting IBOC, this "crackling splatter" occurs *all the time*, and does *not* go away no matter how I adjust the antenna! And indeed, I hear it on all of my radios, throughout Somerset and Middlesex Counties in NJ, approximately 20 to 60 miles away from WOR's transmitter. Clearly, this is caused by these receivers' inability to properly accomodate the extra bandwidth and constant modulation intensity of WOR's IBOC signal.... so much for IBOC being "compatible" with "legacy" analog receivers! From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Jun 06 19:14:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5558 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 02:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 02:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 02:14:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 02:14:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 02:14:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 738 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.240 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > > I guess another way of looking at it is for the same modulating > levels for both I & Q vectors and the same carrier level ISB > has lower PEP than QuAM. This means that overall signal strength > can be increased for ISB so it will have the same PEP as QuAM > but will have a greater effective loudness which translates to > better s/n ratio. While this is about 1.8db greater for ISB over > QuAM for the positive peak of the I modulating signal it is not a > huge gain but I guess every little bit helps. I may try to do a > vector drawing to demonstrate. > > JSG Here is a vector drawing. http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/ISB+QuAM-Vectors.gif JSG From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 06 19:23:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61361 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 02:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 02:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 02:23:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 02:23:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 02:23:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC is back on 710 WOR - second opinion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1280 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.196 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Another interesting observation is that with my MCS-3050 tuner, when > I tune to 760 kHz and adjust my Terk AM Advantage loop antenna in a > manner which maximizes the strength of 770 WABC's signal, I hear a > kind of "crackling splatter" coming from WABC on this adjacent > channel. The same method also produces "crackling splatter" from WOR > on adjacent channels when they are transmitting a pure analog signal. > But if I readjust the Terk antenna so that it isn't focused upon WABC > or WOR's signal, this "cracking splatter" interference goes away > entirely. > > But when WOR is transmitting IBOC, this "crackling splatter" occurs > *all the time*, and does *not* go away no matter how I adjust the > antenna! And indeed, I hear it on all of my radios, throughout > Somerset and Middlesex Counties in NJ, approximately 20 to 60 miles > away from WOR's transmitter. > > Clearly, this is caused by these receivers' inability to properly > accomodate the extra bandwidth and constant modulation intensity of > WOR's IBOC signal.... so much for IBOC being "compatible" with > "legacy" analog receivers! Nope, THAT is simple, no-nonsense front-end overload. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 06 20:10:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91667 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 03:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 03:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 03:10:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 03:10:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 03:10:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC is back on 710 WOR - second opinion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 435 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Nope, THAT is simple, no-nonsense front-end overload. Yes, but even 50 miles away from the transmitter, even on a highly selective car radio?? I guess this is evidence that analog AM receivers just weren't designed to accomodate the presence of digital signals on the band. Putting IBOC on the AM band is like driving a Hummer down a jogging path at Central Park. *Can* it be done? ...Yes. But *should* it be done? ...No. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 06 20:13:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80744 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 03:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 03:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 03:13:27 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-56.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.56]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h573CLoG029429; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:13:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004601c32ca2$bbe6e020$827dfea9@home1> To: , Subject: Fw: [RT] Clear Channel to Acquire FCC Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:12:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [RT] Clear Channel to Acquire FCCMany a truth was said in jest... This guy could write for The Onion (an online satirical magazine that runs articles similar to what you see here.) From the radiotech forum. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd [RT] Clear Channel to Acquire FCC Gray Frierson Haertig radio-tech@broadcast.net Thu, 05 Jun 2003 11:35:45 -0700 a.. Previous message: [RT] Digital Weatherman -/Sliced bread b.. Next message: [RT] CCA 10,000GX c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WASHINGTON (AP)--The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) announced today that it has agreed to be acquired by Clear Channel Communications (CCU) of San Antonio, Texas. In announcing the deal, FCC Chairman Micheal Powell said "This transaction will greatly expedite the demise of the antiquated concept of local ownership of media outlets. Critics of deals such as this need to understand that Clear Channel embodies all that is good and decent in the broadcast industry, and anyone that believes otherwise clearly isn't listening to the news." In a statement issued today, Clear Channel CEO Lowry Mays said "This acquisition is a perfect strategic fit for Clear Channel. The FCC has been a wonderful business partner for the past several years, and has carried out our directions with great enthusiasm. We are proud to welcome the FCC into the Clear Channel family of companies." Although terms of the deal were not immediately available, It is said that the acquisition will include all components, operating units and assets of the FCC, except for its soul, which was sold in a prior transaction to Satan, Inc. in 1996. Clear Channel, which owns broadcast facilities, shopping malls, billboard advertising, and concert promotion units all across North America, has been on an acquisition binge for the past several years, and has recently broadened the scope of its acquisitions to include government entities. In a recent deal, CCU purchased a 50% interest in the U.S. Congress, and is reportedly close to striking a deal to purchase The White House. Clear Channel already has been integrally running the George Bush presidency. Clear Channel's Stock stood at $42.09 at the close of Monday's trading, up $1.39, or 3.42% -- Telecommunications Engineering Gray Frierson Haertig & Assoc. 820 North River Street, Suite 100 Portland, Oregon 97227 503-282-2989 503-282-3181 FAX gfh@haertig.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Previous message: [RT] Digital Weatherman -/Sliced bread b.. Next message: [RT] CCA 10,000GX c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 06 20:19:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94286 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 03:19:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 03:19:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 03:19:22 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-56.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.56]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h573JGoG001076 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:19:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007201c32ca3$940a4be0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <000d01c32b61$dfaa2e00$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: lost another one (KYMN) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:19:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Got a chance to hear it this afternoon- pilot still on. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" > No idea. I'll have to check next time I drive the Pathfinder down to work > (has an AMS conversion radio.) > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin T." > > > > > Is the former "Stereo KYMN" pure mono now, or have they left the > > Stereo pilot tone on, so that Delco radios will open up to full > > bandwidth? From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 06 20:22:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79144 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 03:22:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 03:22:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 03:22:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 03:22:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 03:22:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC is back on 710 WOR - second opinion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 609 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.196 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Nope, THAT is simple, no-nonsense front-end overload. > > Yes, but even 50 miles away from the transmitter, even on a highly > selective car radio?? Yup. WOR's a 50kW blowtorch, so yes, even at 50 miles. > I guess this is evidence that analog AM receivers just weren't > designed to accomodate the presence of digital signals on the band. It also could hamper IBOC receivers, unless they actually deal with the overload, which most receivers don't. IBOC hurts everybody, except those with money to burn. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 06 20:25:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10673 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 03:25:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 03:25:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 03:25:13 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-56.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.56]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h573P7oG002458 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:25:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008f01c32ca4$655da340$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: WSAI Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:25:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I read today on the bnet techforum that WSAI is again transmitting IBOC. Can anyone confirm? Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 06 20:35:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16050 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 03:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 03:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 03:35:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 03:35:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 03:35:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: [RT] Clear Channel to Acquire FCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004601c32ca2$bbe6e020$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 325 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.196 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > WASHINGTON (AP)--The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) announced > today > that it has agreed to be acquired by Clear Channel Communications (CCU) > of > San Antonio, Texas. =snip= LOL! Sadly, it seems almost too true... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Fri Jun 06 20:46:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24703 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 03:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 03:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 03:46:57 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h573kth26280 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:46:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:46:55 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [RT] Clear Channel to Acquire FCC In-Reply-To: <004601c32ca2$bbe6e020$827dfea9@home1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Scott Todd wrote: > WASHINGTON (AP)--The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) > announced today that it has agreed to be acquired by Clear > Channel Communications (CCU) of San Antonio, Texas. A good post Scott ... funny ... and (almost) true. :( Our moderator has tried to infer we should stay on-topic ... yet there's heaps of messages about $1 radios, chips, IBOC hash, etc. I presume most on this list love radio. And especially AM stereo. But this latest FCC deregulation thing is a repeat of its 1996 mistake. It's even made local radio and TV here in Oz - possibly because of the Rupert Murdoch connection. I've asked before - and I'll ask again - what have you (out of the 170 of us) done to try and prevent this disaster? There seems to be a chance that Congress can veto the FCC's decision. Don't complain after the event. COMPLAIN NOW! Ian Melbourne From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 06 20:57:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62979 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 03:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 03:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 03:57:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 03:57:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 03:57:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [RT] Clear Channel to Acquire FCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1713 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.196 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Scott Todd wrote: > > > WASHINGTON (AP)--The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) > > announced today that it has agreed to be acquired by Clear > > Channel Communications (CCU) of San Antonio, Texas. > > A good post Scott ... funny ... and (almost) true. :( Sad, but true. > Our moderator has tried to infer we should stay on-topic ... yet there's > heaps of messages about $1 radios, chips, IBOC hash, etc. Not to mention the moderator has been responsible for a good deal of the above, and that this particular group is the most political of the AMS groups online. (It also is the largest, presently, at 184 subscribers, and who knows how many lurking non-subscribers.) > I presume most on this list love radio. And especially AM stereo. Of course. > But this latest FCC deregulation thing is a repeat of its 1996 mistake. And then some. > It's even made local radio and TV here in Oz - possibly because of the > Rupert Murdoch connection. If it wasn't for him, pushing for relaxation of ownership rules in the mid 1980s, and SUCCEEDING, we wouldn't have this mess. > I've asked before - and I'll ask again - what have you (out of the 170 of > us) done to try and prevent this disaster? I have posted my comment, of over 700,000 on the ruling. I have sent emails to my congresscritters. I have tried to raise awareness here. > There seems to be a chance that Congress can veto the FCC's decision. > > Don't complain after the event. COMPLAIN NOW! Now is the time to contact your congresscritters! I have, have YOU? (to my fellow intelligent Americans) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Fri Jun 06 21:24:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98053 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 04:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 04:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 04:24:55 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h574Orh27912; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:24:53 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:24:53 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: Steve Dinius <10kc@fmtc.com> Subject: DO SOMETHING!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 7 Jun 2003, amymousie wrote: > Now is the time to contact your congresscritters! I have, have YOU? > (to my fellow intelligent Americans) Well squeaked Amy! According to the Steven Dinius calendar it will be summer in America in 14 days time. Your hands will be warm. STOP SITTING ON THEM! Ian From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 06 21:45:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 896 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 04:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 04:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 04:45:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 04:45:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 04:45:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: [RT] Clear Channel to Acquire FCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 804 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Not to mention the moderator has been responsible for a good deal > of the above, and that this particular group is the most political > of the AMS groups online. The Moderator reminds the members of this Forum that if anyone has any concerns with the manner in which The Moderator is managing this Forum, they should be addressed via personal e-mail to The Moderator. After all, The Moderator is open to suggestions. But The Moderator once again reminds everybody that The AM Stereo Forum is not a place in which to discuss politics, and never has been, lest flame wars erupt, as they often do in any kind of political discussions. And The Moderator is sure that The Moderator isn't the only one here who doesn't care to see those kinds of arguments in this Forum! Signed, The Moderator From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 06 22:28:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54783 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 05:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 05:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 05:28:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 05:28:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 05:28:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: [RT] Clear Channel to Acquire FCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 163 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.196 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: Hmm, I'm hopelessly reminded of another group that no longer exists. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 07 00:01:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45499 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 07:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 07:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 07:01:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 07:01:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 07:01:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: [RT] Clear Channel to Acquire FCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 705 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hmm, I'm hopelessly reminded of another group that > no longer exists. How does a mouse have that long of a memory? Anyway, I'm here to talk about... ........................................................... ..........._...._.....___.._____..____.___...____..___..... ....../\...|\../|..../...\...|...|.....|..\.|.....|...|.... ...../__\..|.\/.|....\___....|...|___..|__/.|___..|...|.... ..../....\.|....|........|...|...|.....|.\..|.....|...|.... .../......\|....|....\___|...|...|___..|..\.|___..|___|.... ........................................................... ...how about you? (if the above ASCII art doesn't make any sense, switch to a monospaced font, like Courier or Monaco.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 07 00:41:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70781 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 07:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 07:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 07:41:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 07:41:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 07:41:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: [RT] Clear Channel to Acquire FCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1626 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.169 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Hmm, I'm hopelessly reminded of another group that > > no longer exists. > How does a mouse have that long of a memory? It's long enough to remember when radio was still good, and AM stereo filled the airwaves. :) > Anyway, I'm here to talk about... > > > ........................................................... > ..........._...._.....___.._____..____.___...____..___..... > ....../\...|\../|..../...\...|...|.....|..\.|.....|...|.... > ...../__\..|.\/.|....\___....|...|___..|__/.|___..|...|.... > ..../....\.|....|........|...|...|.....|.\..|.....|...|.... > .../......\|....|....\___|...|...|___..|..\.|___..|___|.... > ........................................................... Then drop the IBOC discussions, or at the very least, refrain from the incindiary WOR posts. I'm not the only one uncomfortable with what's transpired over the last several months. At least the FCC issues pertaining to media ownership are tangental to AM stereo, since it very much concerns the very future of AM stereo (and the livlihood of people like Neal, Powell, MJR, and Marv). Just one look at ClearChannel and Infinity proves my point. I wouldn't be so fired up about Docket 02-277 if it waswn't for what it meant to AM stereo and diversity in broadcasting. > ...how about you? I think my record here concerning AM stereo discussions speaks for itself. > (if the above ASCII art doesn't make any sense, switch to a > monospaced font, like Courier or Monaco.) I use Lucida Console, myself, for monospaced fontage. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 07 01:48:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76413 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 08:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 08:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 08:48:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 08:48:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 08:48:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: [RT] Clear Channel to Acquire FCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1182 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Then drop the IBOC discussions, or at the very least, refrain from > the incindiary WOR posts. Alas, we all have our preference of things we would rather not have to deal with in our pursuit of advancing the cause of AM Stereo. For you, it's the above (although somehow DRM and Eureka 147 is perfectly relevant here, while IBOC is not?). For me, it's disucssions about political actions which can and do quickly degenerate into the same old "liberal vs. conservative" and "capitalist vs. socialist" flame wars. And need I even mention the "Clear Channel Sucks" mantra and the troubles it caused on the former AM Stereo list to which you refer? But since this is an unmoderated group and everybody is allowed to speak equally, that leads to a simple conclusion: either nobody can talk about anything, for fear of whatever they bring up not being a preferred topic of discussion to all the other members, or we all just somehow get along with each other and allow some latitude for the concept of free speech to exist, within the confines of topics which are generally constructive and relevant to the overall intent and goals of this group and its membership. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 07 03:25:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37196 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 10:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 10:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 10:25:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 10:25:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 10:25:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: [RT] Clear Channel to Acquire FCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2397 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Then drop the IBOC discussions, or at the very least, refrain from > > the incindiary WOR posts. > > Alas, we all have our preference of things we would rather not have > to deal with in our pursuit of advancing the cause of AM Stereo. For > you, it's the above (although somehow DRM and Eureka 147 is perfectly > relevant here, while IBOC is not?). For me, it's disucssions about To me, at least, no more relevant. > political actions which can and do quickly degenerate into the same > old "liberal vs. conservative" and "capitalist vs. socialist" flame > wars. And need I even mention the "Clear Channel Sucks" mantra and > the troubles it caused on the former AM Stereo list to which you > refer? I agree about the partisanism, as it causes nothing but trouble, and alienates at least half those reading them. However, we must realize that there WILL be some political issues that need to be addressed, such as the recent media ownership ruling and its subsequent aftermath-- Ownership does determine the survival of AM stereo, amongst other things. > But since this is an unmoderated group and everybody is allowed to > speak equally, that leads to a simple conclusion: either nobody can > talk about anything, for fear of whatever they bring up not being a > preferred topic of discussion to all the other members, or we all > just somehow get along with each other and allow some latitude for > the concept of free speech to exist, within the confines of topics > which are generally constructive and relevant to the overall intent > and goals of this group and its membership. I think the best any moderator can hope for is civility, regardless of the topic, and at least try to retain SOME degree of relevance to the intended subject matter of the forum. But also, the moderator is regarded by his/her group members with the same rules and expectations he/she imposes on the group, or it all goes to hell, since the moderator doesn't set a good example of proper conduct-- The moderator, regardless of forum, is not above the rules and standards he/she sets, and must never assume infallibility. (And above all else, trying not to take him/herself too seriously. :) ) Right now, this mouse needs sleep, and tend to a headache. I hate headaches. :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Jun 07 07:10:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2649 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 14:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 14:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 14:09:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 14:09:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:09:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2350 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > > I guess another way of looking at it is for the same modulating > > levels for both I & Q vectors and the same carrier level ISB > > has lower PEP than QuAM. This means that overall signal strength > > can be increased for ISB so it will have the same PEP as QuAM > > but will have a greater effective loudness which translates to > > better s/n ratio. While this is about 1.8db greater for ISB over > > QuAM for the positive peak of the I modulating signal it is not a > > huge gain but I guess every little bit helps. I may try to do a > > vector drawing to demonstrate. > > > > JSG > > Here is a vector drawing. > > http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/ISB+QuAM-Vectors.gif This diagram only illustrates the case where the left or right channel only is modulated. Obviously the "PEP" of the two systems, QUAM and linear ISB, is identical for other simple cases like Left = Right (monophonic), or Left = -Right modulation. With the appropriate inputs to the left and right channels, the locus of the vector for linear ISB will be identical to that of QUAM. So in practice the situation boils down to the statistics of the stereo program material being transmitted, and the nature of the audio processing being used. Audio processing will have its effect on QUAM, and straight Left and Right processing will keep the QUAM signal well out of the high "PEP" areas, while straight "matrix" processing can push the signal into the high "PEP" areas. A combination of the two processing schemes would seem to offer the best compromise. I haven't a clue how audio processing strategies affect the "PEP" of linear ISB stereo, perhaps someone can elaborate on this? The question of QUAM vs. linear ISB AM Stereo seems more complex to me than a simple SSB vector diagram would imply, although it would seem reasonable that linear ISB would have the advantage on typical stereo program material, but I haven't any proof of that, and don't really have any idea of the statistics of typical stereo program material. I'm not sure this subject can be discussed in a meaningful way without a comprehensive discussion of the audio processing technology being used along with it. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Jun 07 07:14:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51342 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 14:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 14:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 14:14:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 14:14:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:14:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [RT] Clear Channel to Acquire FCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 770 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > Our moderator has tried to infer we should stay on-topic ... yet > there's heaps of messages about $1 radios, chips, IBOC hash, etc. I would agree that "$1 radios" are Off Topic if the discussion is simply about the "$1 radios" themselves, but if the "$1 radios" are being discussed in the context of using them as fodder for modifications to C-Quam, or IBOC AM Stereo radios, then they are On Topic. "chips" are clearly On Topic, if they are "AM Stereo" related chips. "IBOC hash" is part of the IBOC AM Stereo system, and as such is On Topic. I think gratuitous WOR bashing is Off Topic, and is in the same vein as "political" discussions about the FCC, and Clear Channel. John From dougharding@mindspring.com Sat Jun 07 07:43:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85743 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 14:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 14:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 14:43:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 14:43:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:43:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC AM is on topic Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 571 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.174.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding IBOC AM and discussions about the hash it produces is on topic. If IBOC AM is adopted around the country then it is the end of all analog AM and AM stereo. I cannot think of a more important discussion on this forum. Kevin does need to keep us informed about how WOR is doing in their testing of IBOC. I admit he probably should not bash them but if they are messing up reception of other stations we need to know about it. Due to the lack of home radios 1$ radios if they are wideband AM are also on topic and if they are convertable to AM stereo. Just my two cents. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Jun 07 13:33:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13002 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 20:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 20:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 20:33:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2003 20:33:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:33:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo planned for new Dutch MW stations Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 574 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.62.233 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Ruad Poeze tells me the following on the alt.radio.uk newsgroup :- > Any chance of any these being AM stereo seeing as it's allowed in Holland > though no one bothers. There is a small crowd now in the UK at least who own > am stereo receivers / radio's The plan is to have them all in AM stereo. At this stage we are working hard to get the UK branch launched with at least one outlet, and Dutch services on 2 or 3 outlets. Ruud Quality Radio repr. of Radlon in NL. -------- Full thread is under the subject 'AM from the Netherlands' on the alt.radio.uk newsgroup From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jun 07 16:20:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75009 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 23:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2003 23:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 23:20:16 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.198.1b617220 (16930) for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <198.1b617220.2c13cd25@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:20:05 EDT Subject: Comments Filed on ET Docket 03-65: Receiver Interference Immunity Inquiry To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Federal Communications Commission has opened it's inquiry into immunity standards for receivers from interference. The docket number is 03-65. My comments (which I filed 6/7/03) are below. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- I am commenting on the Notice of Inquiry in FCC Docket 03-65, concerning receiver interference immunity specifications. Receiver manufacturers have not done a very good job in incorporating technology that keeps televison and radio receivers from receiving interference from amateur radio transmitters. As a licensed Amateur Radio Operator, I receive interference on my television sets and radio receivers when I transmit in the 144-148 MHz spectrum. Even with six watts, that's just too much interference, even at close range. In this area, receiver manufacturers should be required to include circuitry that filters out interference from nearby HF, VHF and UHF amateur radio transmitters. I also own a shortwave converter for my car radio, due to the lack of innovative and informative programming produced by the illegal corporate monopolies. Luckily, I live 20 miles from the nearest 100 kW FM transmitters, so I can enjoy shortwave programming in my car. When I'm near an AM transmitter, I can easily get the local AM station coming through even with the shortwave converter turned on. Unfortunately, these converters do not include circuitry that filters out interference from nearby AM and FM transmitters. In this area, it would be best if shortwave converters for car radios include circuitry that filters out interference from nearby AM and FM transmitters. As for car radios in general, facilities to receive IBOC-DAB broadcasts should never be included under any circumstances. Test transmissions have shown that In-Band, On-Channel Digital Audio Broadcasting is totally incompatible with today's receivers; the FCC should give up on the inferior IBOC technology in favor of improving superior analog technology. The task here is to exclude IBOC-DAB from any receiver requirements, and improve on analog technology instead. All receivers sold in the United States should be required to receive Motorola's Compatible Quadrature Amplitude Modulation AM Stereo system, which has basically been perfected. Not only should AM and FM be required in all receivers sold in the United States, but also a minimum of four shortwave broadcast bands (6, 9, 13 and 15 MHz, or the 49, 31, 22 and 19 meter bands) and the NOAA Weather Radio bands (between 162.400 and 162.550 MHz) in the least expensive models; the more expensive models may have more shortwave broadcast bands included. In markets close to the Canadian border (like Detroit or Buffalo), these receivers should also include the L-Band for reception of the Canadian DAB stations. Other minimum requirements included in receivers are circuitry that filters out interference from nearby broadcast, amateur radio, public service and other radio service transmitters, use of digital signal processing technology (such as Motorola's Symphony DSP circuit), and, for radios that include shortwave, the proper circuitry to receive shortwave stations broadcasting with Europe's DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale) system. As for television receivers, they should not only include circuitry to filter out amateur radio interference, but also circuitry to filter out interference from nearby TV and FM transmitters. The interference is most pronounced on VHF-TV Channel 6. The least expensive television sets usually don't have circuitry to filter out intereference from nearby FM transmitters (especially if one is in a city with a local station on 88.1 MHz, such as St. Louis). I have a pair of black and white television sets; both do not have the necessary circuitry to filter out interference from nearby FM transmitters. The problem at my location is not with KDHX (88.1 MHz), but with KCLC (89.1 MHz), licensed to St. Charles, MO. In addition, I also receive IF interference from KDNL, licensed to St. Louis, MO on UHF-TV Channel 30, on UHF-TV Channel 14. This happens only when my television antenna is pointed toward the station. Therefore, making circuitry that filters out interference from nearby FM and TV transmitters to all television channels, as well as dual tuners for analog and digital TV, should be required. The FCC should also abandon the failed "marketplace" approach. The "marketplace" approach has, so far, prevented superior AM Stereo technology from reaching it's full marketplace potential. It has illegally kept the public from hearing the CD-like separation that AM Stereo provides. In addition, the "marketplace" approach has illegally kept the public from having more choices on the radio by not requiring the inclusion of the shortwave broadcast bands. Since the Cold War has long since ended, it's high time that consumers be allowed to have the choice of selecting from literally hundreds of the world's leading shortwave broadcasters without paying a subscription fee. The so-called "marketplace" approach is really anti-market, and takes away consumer rights. With regard to spectrum management, the FCC has not done a very good job. The FCC should look for a new band for the Department of Defense; their use of the L-Band violates international regulations. The L-Band is reserved for digital audio broadcasting worldwide (the U.S. included). The DoD should clear off the L-Band to make way for the proven Eureka 147 digital audio broadcasting system. The FCC has also done a poor job concerning management of the AM and FM broadcast bands. There are far too many AM radio stations on the air, especially on the "local" channels of 1230, 1240, 1340, 1400, 1450 and 1490 kHz. The FCC should have set aside more FM spectrum long ago for non-commercial educational radio stations; these days, they're the only alternatives (other than the world's shortwave broadcasters) to corporate-controlled radio. The FCC needs to improve both receiver specifications and spectrum management, if our communications system is ever to be competitive with the rest of the world. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Jun 07 19:26:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29516 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 02:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 02:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 02:26:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2003 02:26:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 02:26:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Wow! Awesome AM tuner I got (ha ha not quite...) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1165 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I picked up a Sony mp3 CD sports walk/discman D-NS921F with mp3 CD playback and AM/FM/TV/Weather tuner. I'm not much into FM/TV/Weather listening (but I can't get our weather station)... but the AM section is what I want to mention. It has fairly decent sensitivity - about the minimum I'd expect on a portable, but the selectivity is not quite there. For example, on a Panasonic RQ-SW10, which has similar sensitivity, I can hear a local 50kW station (7 miles away from me with an ERP upwards of 200-300kW) on 1170 up to 1230 or so, but on this Sony I hear it all the way up to 1710. Also, it doesn't feature a belt-clip, something I would almost require on a portable cause I would use it a lot when jogging. I'm thinking about taking it back, but I would like to know if anyone knows of a good MP3 CD player that's rugged like this one is, but also includes a belt-clip or something like that, and a GOOD QUALITY AM tuner with excellent sensitivity and selectivity? It doesn't have to have AM Stereo, but it'd be nice. Also, I would want it to be able to put out plenty of volume. Right now I'm open to any brand, unless someone has some recommendations. From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Jun 07 19:57:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 233 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 02:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 02:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.97) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 02:57:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:57:25 -0700 Received: from 172.203.47.208 by bay7-dav40.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 02:57:25 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wow! Awesome AM tuner I got (ha ha not quite...) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:57:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2003 02:57:25.0903 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0E3A1F0:01C32D69] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.203.47.208] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 pianoplayer88key wrote: > I would like to know if anyone knows of a good MP3 CD player that's rugged like this one is, but also includes a belt-clip or something like that, and a GOOD QUALITY AM tuner with excellent sensitivity and selectivity? I would look at the Panasonic SL-SV550 Portable CD Player with FM/AM Tuner and MP3 Playback. It retails for $89.99 and the street price is around $69 bucks. While I have not listened to this model, I have no complaints agaist other Panasonic products. Panasonic stuff will meet advertised specs, and do it for a long time to come. I am still using Panasonic Stereo gear from the '70s and it still meets spec! Possum "I would rather live as a wolf, knowing that I was being hunted, because I would be free as long as I was alive. A sheep lives only as long as it pleases the shepherd to fleece it, then it is slaughtered, or left to the wolves." : Easyrunner in Misc.survivalism From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Jun 07 20:17:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85608 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 03:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 03:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 03:17:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2003 03:17:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 03:17:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wow! Awesome AM tuner I got (ha ha not quite...) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1250 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key My recent Panasonic RQ-SW44V Cassette AM/FM shockwave has a horrible AM tuner and a not-much-better FM tuner. :( Any other suggestions? (my older Panasonic RQ-SW10 is much better but it's broken right now) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > pianoplayer88key wrote: > > I would like to know if anyone knows of a good MP3 CD player that's rugged > like this one is, but also includes a belt-clip or something like that, and > a GOOD QUALITY AM tuner with excellent sensitivity and selectivity? > > I would look at the Panasonic SL-SV550 Portable CD Player with FM/AM Tuner > and MP3 Playback. It retails for $89.99 and the street price is around $69 > bucks. While I have not listened to this model, I have no complaints agaist > other Panasonic products. Panasonic stuff will meet advertised specs, and do > it for a long time to come. I am still using Panasonic Stereo gear from the > '70s and it still meets spec! > > Possum > "I would rather live as a wolf, knowing that I was being hunted, because I > would be free as long as I was alive. A sheep lives only as long as it > pleases the shepherd to fleece it, then it is slaughtered, or left to the > wolves." : Easyrunner in Misc.survivalism From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Jun 07 21:00:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15259 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 04:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 04:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 04:00:46 -0000 Received: from logs-wp.proxy.aol.com (logs-wp.proxy.aol.com [205.188.201.135]) by rly-ip03.mx.aol.com (v89.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN8-0608000010; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:00:10 -0400 Received: from ibm (ACCB2FD0.ipt.aol.com [172.203.47.208]) by logs-wp.proxy.aol.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h583utEi157417 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <014d01c32d71$faf01be0$1586dd43@aoldsl.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wow! Awesome AM tuner I got (ha ha not quite...) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:56:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Apparently-From: DodgeRamTrucker@aol.com From: "Possum Hunter" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 pianoplayer88key wrote: > My recent Panasonic RQ-SW44V Cassette AM/FM shockwave has a horrible AM tuner and a not-much-better FM tuner. :( Any other suggestions? I am not sure if they market a mp3 CD with a tuner, and they are a "El-Cheapo" brand name, but Lennox Sound has impressed many people on this list, including myself, with their AM-FM portable radio that retails for $5 bucks! Other Lennox AM tuners I have heard were also MUCH better than I expected. Kevin From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Jun 07 21:07:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26720 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 04:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 04:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 04:07:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2003 04:07:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 04:07:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wow! Awesome AM tuner I got (ha ha not quite...) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <014d01c32d71$faf01be0$1586dd43@aoldsl.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 772 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > pianoplayer88key wrote: > > My recent Panasonic RQ-SW44V Cassette AM/FM shockwave has a horrible AM > tuner and a not-much-better FM tuner. :( Any other suggestions? > > I am not sure if they market a mp3 CD with a tuner, and they are a > "El-Cheapo" brand name, but Lennox Sound has impressed many people on this > list, including myself, with their AM-FM portable radio that retails for $5 > bucks! Other Lennox AM tuners I have heard were also MUCH better than I > expected. > > Kevin I've heard about that $5 radio. Which one is it? like do they have it on a website or does Wal-Mart have it on a site? I'd like to check one out, but not knowing what to look for doesn't help. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 00:55:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41047 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 07:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 07:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 07:55:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2003 07:55:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 07:55:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Wow! Awesome AM tuner I got (ha ha not quite...) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: > > pianoplayer88key wrote: > > > My recent Panasonic RQ-SW44V Cassette AM/FM shockwave has a > horrible AM > > tuner and a not-much-better FM tuner. :( Any other suggestions? > > > > I am not sure if they market a mp3 CD with a tuner, and they are a > > "El-Cheapo" brand name, but Lennox Sound has impressed many people > on this > > list, including myself, with their AM-FM portable radio that retails > for $5 > > bucks! Other Lennox AM tuners I have heard were also MUCH better than I > > expected. > > > > Kevin > > I've heard about that $5 radio. Which one is it? like do they have > it on a website or does Wal-Mart have it on a site? I'd like to check > one out, but not knowing what to look for doesn't help. Oh, by the way, I'd want an AM tuner that at the absolute minimum has sensitivity comparable to or better than the Sony SRF-42. Also, I remember an older Sony walkman that I got several years ago (AM/FM analog tuner and auto-stop cassette) for $30 at a scratch and dent section of a now-defunct-i-think department store that had a pretty good tuner on the AM section. Eventually the tuning and volume knobs came off, and I eventually junked the unit. I now wish I hadn't... Oh well... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 00:57:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68201 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 07:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 07:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 07:57:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2003 07:57:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 07:57:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: radios with good AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 815 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've heard about that $5 radio. Which one is it? It's the Lennox Sound "AM/FM Sports Radio", model PR-35M. It's sold in clear plastic packaging with headphones included. It actually looks a lot like a walkie-talkie so you might overlook it on the shelft. I have heard of more expensive Lennox Sound radios with digital tuning also having surprisingly good AM audio quality. Some low- priced Emerson and AudioPhase radios are also known to have very good AM and make good conversions to AM Stereo. Philips/Magnavox radios are among the best on AM, and make great conversions to AM Stereo, but not the analog tuning models, which are no better than average. However, I believe the ones with digital tuning have a specified audio response of 40-8000 Hz on AM, which actually meets the AMAX standard! From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 01:33:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95298 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 08:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 08:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 08:33:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2003 08:33:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 08:33:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: radios with good AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1095 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I've heard about that $5 radio. Which one is it? > > It's the Lennox Sound "AM/FM Sports Radio", model PR-35M. It's sold > in clear plastic packaging with headphones included. It actually > looks a lot like a walkie-talkie so you might overlook it on the > shelft. > > I have heard of more expensive Lennox Sound radios with digital > tuning also having surprisingly good AM audio quality. Some low- > priced Emerson and AudioPhase radios are also known to have very > good AM and make good conversions to AM Stereo. > > Philips/Magnavox radios are among the best on AM, and make great > conversions to AM Stereo, but not the analog tuning models, which > are no better than average. However, I believe the ones with > digital tuning have a specified audio response of 40-8000 Hz on AM, > which actually meets the AMAX standard! Would that lennox be like this one? (I'm not planning on bidding though - it's more than $5) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3028455870&category=3281 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 01:48:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43701 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 08:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 08:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 08:48:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2003 08:48:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 08:48:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: radios with good AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 227 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Would that lennox be like this one? (I'm not planning on bidding > though - it's more than $5) Yup, that's exactly it... but don't even think about paying $10 + shipping for one, when you can get one for $5 at Wal-Mart! From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 01:53:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84400 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 08:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 08:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 08:53:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20030608085301.56952.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.222] by web41203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 01:53:01 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 01:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: radios with good AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Do even walkmans have AM Stereo? They'd be great for travelling when theres no AM stereo to recieve. Michael --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > Would that lennox be like this one? (I'm not > planning on bidding > > though - it's more than $5) > > Yup, that's exactly it... but don't even think about > paying $10 + > shipping for one, when you can get one for $5 at > Wal-Mart! > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 03:25:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11912 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 10:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 10:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 10:25:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20030608102506.67082.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.222] by web41203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 03:25:06 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 03:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Attitudes On newsgroups To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus I just read a radio newsgroup and the attitude about AM Stereo. "Oh please. Could we be spared the whole "if only they were in AM stereo everything would be right" line that's trotted out over and over. When will you understand that AM stereo is a non starter for probably 99.9% of the listeners? And it will never be a reason why people would switch to a radio station. Yes, it's unfortunate for those who have AM stereo radios that one of the functions is no longer relevant.But wide bandwidth audio in mono or stereo is what makes it more enjoyable to those who even notice these things. 3MP sounds pretty reasonable given the fairly heavy audio processing for an "easy music" station. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 03:36:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99324 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 10:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 10:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 10:36:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2003 10:36:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 10:36:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: radios with good AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I've heard about that $5 radio. Which one is it? > > It's the Lennox Sound "AM/FM Sports Radio", model PR-35M. It's sold > in clear plastic packaging with headphones included. It actually > looks a lot like a walkie-talkie so you might overlook it on the > shelft. Also the Wal Mart latest models have a different name with the same model #. Wal Mart has ONLY had blue. Family Dollar Stores have this radio in different colors, and now the FRED'S discount store has them and even more different colors. I want a RED one. > I have heard of more expensive Lennox Sound radios with digital > tuning also having surprisingly good AM audio quality. Some low- > priced Emerson and AudioPhase radios are also known to have very > good AM and make good conversions to AM Stereo. I have a Lennox Sound CD boom box, and the audio from it is amazing. With expensive headphones, I could hear NO hiss whatsoever. The AM is wide, the FM is mono. > Philips/Magnavox radios are among the best on AM, and make great > conversions to AM Stereo, but not the analog tuning models, which > are no better than average. However, I believe the ones with > digital tuning have a specified audio response of 40-8000 Hz on AM, > which actually meets the AMAX standard! Everything I'm seeing audiowise doesn't have the Magnavox name on it. I have a Phillips CD/Cassette boombox with tuner, and it'd digital, AM is OK, but I didn't think it went out to 8K. It does have excellent bass response for a small unit, not overdone or fakey. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 03:37:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30225 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 10:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 10:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 10:37:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2003 10:37:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 10:37:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: radios with good AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 359 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Would that lennox be like this one? (I'm not planning on bidding > though - it's more than $5) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3028455870&category=3281 Yes that's it. Too much money! And don't forget you'd have to pay shipping. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 08:11:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20872 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 15:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 15:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 15:11:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2003 15:11:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 15:11:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM bandwidth limitiations Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 184 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW What bandwidth restrictions are foist on the MW band in other countries. A friend of mine claims all of Europe AM is restricted to 5 kilohertz audio? What's the REAL story? Powell From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sun Jun 08 10:15:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21049 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 17:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 17:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 17:15:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2003 17:15:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 17:15:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kevin: I bet this is why Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 521 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Kevin, I was discussing things the other night with wgliradio. Here's what I think is the answer to why I probably don't hear the IBOC noise you do out here in my part of Long Island. The station on 690 KHz here is out of Ansonia, CT and is most likely stronger than what you're hearing out of Philly. With that and WGSM down the road I bet the problem gets masked even though 710 is pretty strong here. I gotta get myself in a better spot to listen. It's just another nail in the coffin for IBOC. Jerry WA2FNQ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 10:18:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43409 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 17:17:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 17:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 17:17:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2003 17:17:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 17:17:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM bandwidth limitiations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > What bandwidth restrictions are foist on the MW band in other > countries. A friend of mine claims all of Europe AM is restricted to > 5 kilohertz audio? What's the REAL story? If this were true, the recordings of France Bleu and Italy's Radio Studio X wouldn't sound so good, yes? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 10:30:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62785 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 17:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 17:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 17:30:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20030608173022.22414.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.127.51.250] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 10:30:22 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 10:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Convertible Radio PHOTOS? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Can somebody post a photo of the imfamous WalMart AM Radio that makes a great AMS conversion candidate? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Jun 08 11:11:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56270 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 18:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 18:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 18:11:37 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-44.skyweb.net [66.6.130.172]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h58IF9ek011385 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:15:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3EE378A4.6442FCA8@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 13:55:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kevin: I bet this is why References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hey Jerry do you have a good quality SW receiver? I am using a Collins R-390A and the IBOC Signal From 710 is really strong here. taking out WPHE 690 even with the bandwidth set at 4kc. I see the signal set at 4kc starting at 693Kc upto 728kc If I open the Receiver Bandwidth to 8Kc I see the signal From 692.5kc to 733.5kc at 16kc bandwidth I see It from 691kc to 735kc even at 16kc I can here the station On 740 But then again they are running what 20 kW? 690 is totally useless here in NJ.. BTW when WOR had the IBOC off while they were getting it updated WPHE 690 came in loud and Clear at 20 over S9. when the IBOC returned. 690 disappeared.. and they run only 1 kw daytime only.. all I have to say is good thing I don't Own WPHE.. sorry Tom and Kerry. But If I owned WPHE I would Have the FCC all over Ibiquity and Rick Buckleys ASS like Fly paper..Freedom of speech.. I only report what I hear at my home.. Neal..ka2caf wa2fnq wrote: > Kevin, > > I was discussing things the other night with wgliradio. Here's what > I think is the answer to why I probably don't hear the IBOC noise you > do out here in my part of Long Island. The station on 690 KHz here is > out of Ansonia, CT and is most likely stronger than what you're > hearing out of Philly. With that and WGSM down the road I bet the > problem gets masked even though 710 is pretty strong here. I gotta > get myself in a better spot to listen. > > It's just another nail in the coffin for IBOC. > > Jerry WA2FNQ > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sun Jun 08 11:56:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13935 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 18:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 18:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 18:56:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2003 18:56:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 18:56:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kevin: I bet this is why Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EE378A4.6442FCA8@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2270 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Hi Neal, I don't have anything in the house up and running that would cover the BC band. I may be taking a trip west of here in a couple of weeks. If I do I may have a chance to give a listen. You can hear the digital 0n 700 and 720 pretty good though. Sounds like iBiquity has more than just a bad audio problem. Imagine putting that garbage on 75 meters?? Boy, would that get the sidebanders p**ing and moaning. 73 for now. Jerry --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > Hey Jerry do you have a good quality SW receiver? > I am using a Collins R-390A and the IBOC Signal From 710 is really strong here. > > taking out WPHE 690 even with the bandwidth set at 4kc. > I see the signal set at 4kc starting at 693Kc upto 728kc > If I open the Receiver Bandwidth to 8Kc I see the signal From 692.5kc to 733.5kc > at 16kc bandwidth I see It from 691kc to 735kc > even at 16kc I can here the station On 740 But then again they are running what > 20 kW? 690 is totally useless here in NJ.. BTW when WOR had the IBOC off while > they were getting it updated WPHE 690 came in loud and Clear at 20 over S9. > when the IBOC returned. 690 disappeared.. and they run only 1 kw daytime only.. > all I have to say is good thing I don't Own WPHE.. sorry Tom and Kerry. > But If I owned WPHE I would Have the FCC all over Ibiquity and Rick Buckleys ASS > like Fly paper..Freedom of speech.. I only report what I hear at my home.. > Neal..ka2caf > wa2fnq wrote: > > > Kevin, > > > > I was discussing things the other night with wgliradio. Here's what > > I think is the answer to why I probably don't hear the IBOC noise you > > do out here in my part of Long Island. The station on 690 KHz here is > > out of Ansonia, CT and is most likely stronger than what you're > > hearing out of Philly. With that and WGSM down the road I bet the > > problem gets masked even though 710 is pretty strong here. I gotta > > get myself in a better spot to listen. > > > > It's just another nail in the coffin for IBOC. > > > > Jerry WA2FNQ > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 12:28:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56326 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 19:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 19:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 19:28:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2003 19:28:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 19:28:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM bandwidth limitations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1702 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If this were true, the recordings of France Bleu and Italy's Radio > Studio X wouldn't sound so good, yes? :) Independent AM stations like "Radio Studio X" can generally use any audio bandwidth they want in Europe, but government-run stations are more strictly regulated. In the UK and Ireland, the standard AM audio bandwidth is 6 kHz. In continental Europe, where stations from mulitple countries frequently occupy adjacent channels, the bandwidth is 4.5 kHz (which unfortunately "France Bleu" must abide to, despite their use of AM Stereo). Both of these specs actually have more of a gradual drop-off specified, so careful audio processing could squeak a few more useable kHz's out, but these days the AM Optimod comes standard with a choice of 4.5 and 6 kHz "brick wall" filters so that's what most stations use. By the way, Australia follows exactly the same specs as North America's NRSC standard, except all of the kHz limits are multiplied by 9/10ths to fit their 9 kHz channel spacing. So, effectively, they have a 9 kHz audio bandwidth limit on AM, although in practice, not all stations abide by it, especially those which use AM Stereo. And speaking of which... does Canada really need the NRSC bandwidth spec anymore? With the way they're clearing out their AM band, stations in Canada could easily transmit hi-fi 15+ kHz audio and not step onto each other, at least during the daytime. And since they're not going to use IBOC, this could be a way to give the remaining Canadian AM stations an extra incentive for their listeners; anybody with a good wide-bandwidth radio would be able to enjoy true hi-fi sound from stations like 630 CFCO and 740 CHWO. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 12:37:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18084 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 19:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 19:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 19:37:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2003 19:37:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 19:37:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin: I bet this is why Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 951 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I may be taking a trip west of here in a couple of weeks. If I do I > may have a chance to give a listen. You can hear the digital 0n 700 > and 720 pretty good though. Check out 680 WINR from Binghamton, NY. Even at about 125 miles away, whenever WOR's digital signal is off, I can hear them weakly but clearly here in cental NJ. But as soon as WOR turns on their IBOC hash, WINR is almost completely covered up by the "splatter". (Of course, WINR has some of the most distorted, overmodulated audio I have ever heard from a licensed AM station, but that's beside the point!) Same thing with 740 WSGM from Long Island. With WOR's IBOC off, they come in perfectly loud and clear, with a minimum of background noise. But as soon as WOR switches on their IBOC, poor WSGM is almost completely gone, totally covered up with the incessant "splatter". And to the IBOC supporters -- this is NOT "WOR-bashing". I simply report what I hear!! From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 08 13:48:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57147 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 20:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 20:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 20:48:05 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-119.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.119]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h58KlxoG014052 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:48:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007101c32dff$4205e9a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030608102506.67082.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Attitudes On newsgroups Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:47:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Well, stereo was one of THE big reasons FM took over AM. If you could take two identically formatted AM stations, one mono, the other stereo, folks most likely WOULD choose the stereo station if there were a decent selection of AMS radios available. It's only a nonstarter because receiver manufacturers didn't provide AMS in any great quantities. One other related question would be why other countries didn't mandate AM stereo on radios with FM stereo? Only in the US was there no official standard (til 93, at least.) Over here manufacturers were afraid of the Wrath of (Leonard) Kahn and his numerous lawsuits, and later a benignly apathetic and overworked FCC. What's the excuse elsewhere? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Ross" > I just read a radio newsgroup and the attitude about > AM Stereo. > > "Oh please. Could we be spared the whole "if only > they were in AM stereo everything would be right" line > that's trotted out over and over. When will > you understand that AM stereo is a non starter for > probably 99.9% of the listeners? And it will never be > a reason why people would switch to a radio > station. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 08 14:17:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24712 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 21:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 21:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 21:17:45 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-119.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.119]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h58LHfoG021922 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:17:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000801c32e03$67ea6520$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: KBGG Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:17:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If there was any wonder when or whether KBGG 1700, Des Moines, would ever go stereo, I would doubt it now. According to the Upper Midwest Broadcasting page that station has been acquired by Citadel from Wilks Broadcasting. This was the only AM in the group of stations. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jim@burgan.net Sun Jun 08 14:49:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 752 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 21:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 21:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc01.insightbb.com) (63.240.76.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 21:49:00 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-232-43.client.insightbb.com[12.221.232.43]) by sccimhc01.insightbb.com (sccimhc01) with SMTP id <20030608211024im1000kj5ge>; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:10:24 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c32e02$62734680$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <008f01c32ca4$655da340$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSAI Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:10:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >Scott Todd wrote: >I read today on the bnet techforum that WSAI is again transmitting IBOC. >Can anyone confirm? I know the above was posted on Friday, but I've had a busy weekend and just read the post. I ran out to the car radio and checked (4PM Sunday) and there's no sign of the IBOC sideband noise and WKWH (1520 kHz Shelbyville, IN) is clear (when WSAI is transmitting IBOC, they kill WKWH, even though I live 75 miles from the WSAI transmiter and 20 miles from WKWH's). From rwagoner1@mac.com Sun Jun 08 16:09:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65623 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2003 23:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2003 23:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2003 23:09:22 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030608230913.LYYF7020.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:09:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:09:22 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Attitudes On newsgroups Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <007101c32dff$4205e9a0$827dfea9@home1> Message-Id: <3DDF8DB2-9A06-11D7-97D7-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Bad programming and high commercial load didn't help either, as well as the lack of bandwidth. On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 01:47 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > Well, stereo was one of THE big reasons FM took over AM. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 20:50:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11487 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2003 03:50:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2003 03:50:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2003 03:50:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2003 03:50:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 03:50:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Stereo -> Mono? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1004 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics My uncle was cleaning out his basement, and to make a long story short, I now have a *huge* vintage Stromberg-Carlson speaker in my possession. The cabinet is 33"H x 22"W x 19"D, and it's a three-way speaker with a 12" woofer -- and needless to say it sounds great. But, apparently it's from the 1950s, before Stereo became common, because he only ever had one. I'd love to hook it up to my stereo system, but my question is, is there any simple way to hook it up as a "center channel" speaker, without electrically shorting out the Left and Right channels, so I could still add separate "satellite" speakers to maintain Stereo separation? I do have one stereo system with a dedicated Center channel output, but it's only active in Dolby Pro Logic mode, which doesn't maintain proper separation when playing regular stereo recordings. I suppose some sort of active crossover would do the trick -- are there any schematics for one that would be not too difficult or expensive to build? From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Jun 08 21:23:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97817 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2003 04:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2003 04:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2003 04:23:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:23:03 -0700 Received: from 172.148.149.224 by bay7-dav53.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 04:23:03 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <3EE378A4.6442FCA8@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kevin: I bet this is why Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 00:22:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2003 04:23:03.0799 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1BA1870:01C32E3E] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.148.149.224] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Neal Newman wrote: >Freedom of speech.. I only report what I hear at my home.. Yup, just like I did after the night test of WLW and WOR. I heard the same hash and splatter as Kevin hears in NJ, yet I am 620 miles away fromWOR's transmitter! I am 336 Miles from WLW's transmitter plant. I live within the .15 mv/M ground wave contour of WSB 750 and get WSB with a beutiful signal 24 Hours a day, yet I could hear the IBOC garbage in the background from WOR! I am 118 Miles north of WSN's Transmitter. I was getting even worse interference from WOR on CHWO 740. I am 628 Miles away from CHWO. I am REAL sure receiver front end overload of my GE Superradio II or Factory Toyota AM-FM-Tape-CD was NOT a factor in the interference. At 587 Miles away, WGN 720 was a lost cause, as was WPTF 680 only 222 Miles away. CBF 690 was out of the question and CKAC 730 was toast as well. BTW, I have a steady 15KHz pilot from WBT 1110 this evening. I am 93 Miles away from the transmitter, well within the .15mv/M contour. I *THINK* I heard Stereo seperation on a local spot a while ago, but I am tired and my ears could be playing tricks on me. It was also in a thunderstorm, and Lightnng crashes always seem to sound louder in the left Channel of Kahn ISB. Long live FREE RADIO! Possum - Moderator of the AM DX Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amradiodx/ Plate Modulation-The Choice Of The New Generation From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Jun 08 21:36:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89283 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2003 04:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2003 04:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2003 04:36:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2003 04:36:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 04:36:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin's AM Improvement plan Was: 710 WOR dumps IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3148 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/ISB+QuAM-Vectors.gif >=20 >=20 > This diagram only illustrates the case where the left or right channel=20 > only is modulated. Obviously the "PEP" of the two systems, QUAM and=20 > linear ISB, is identical for other simple cases like Left =3D Right=20 > (monophonic), or Left =3D -Right modulation. With the appropriate=20 > inputs to the left and right channels, the locus of the vector for=20 > linear ISB will be identical to that of QUAM. So in practice the=20 > situation boils down to the statistics of the stereo program material=20 > being transmitted, and the nature of the audio processing being used. > Yes there will be instances where the 'I' channel peaks and the 'Q' channel is not at the zero crossing for ISB but the instances when this will happen is much less than QuAM and will be much closer to the 0=B0 phase position where for QuAM the phase will definitely not be close to 0=B0 but somewhere around 25=B0 for +100% modulation and and 90=B0 for -100% modilation. I just see this as a natural advantage that ISB has ove a QuAM signal. Even for a non-linear ISB system like Kahn this helps the decoder's distortion correction for L-R=20 minimize with the effects that interference has on the recovered signal if the phase is moving towards 0=B0 instead of away especially on downward modulation.=20 =20 > Audio processing will have its effect on QUAM, and straight Left and=20 > Right processing will keep the QUAM signal well out of the high "PEP"=20 > areas, while straight "matrix" processing can push the signal into the=20 > high "PEP" areas. A combination of the two processing schemes would=20 > seem to offer the best compromise. I haven't a clue how audio=20 > processing strategies affect the "PEP" of linear ISB stereo, perhaps=20 > someone can elaborate on this? >=20 > The question of QUAM vs. linear ISB AM Stereo seems more complex to me=20 > than a simple SSB vector diagram would imply, although it would seem=20 > reasonable that linear ISB would have the advantage on typical stereo=20 > program material, but I haven't any proof of that, and don't really=20 > have any idea of the statistics of typical stereo program material. >=20 > I'm not sure this subject can be discussed in a meaningful way without=20 > a comprehensive discussion of the audio processing technology being=20 > used along with it. >=20 > John While I couldn't draw a diagram with many vectors representing a typical music program and still be readable, the point proven is that for every wave on the 'I' channel there will be a wave on the 'Q' channel that is 90=B0 out of phase during stereo=20 separation so any wave on the 'I' channel during its peak will have a corrosponding wave at its zero crossing with an intensity determined by the amount of separation. This greatly reduces the incidence of the phase being far away from 0=B0 during =B1100%=20 modulation where for regular QuAM it greatly ingreases it. This in turn reduces the burden that processors, both discrete and matrix, have to deal with in making the signal acceptable for transmittion. JSG From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Jun 08 21:40:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8998 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2003 04:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2003 04:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2003 04:40:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2003 04:40:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 04:40:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: You want a REALLY good AM antenna?????? 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From dav259@csiro.au Sun Jun 08 21:52:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31310 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2003 04:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2003 04:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2003 04:52:38 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h594qbh08349 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:52:37 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:52:37 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Attitudes On newsgroups In-Reply-To: <007101c32dff$4205e9a0$827dfea9@home1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Scott - you always answer messages by just sticking everything up the top. I'll try an explain things within your message (and both you and Amy know what I'm talking about). On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Scott Todd wrote: Michael from NZ's message was about how Aussies on our radio newsgroup are sick of me trying to promote AMS. > Well, stereo was one of THE big reasons FM took over AM. And stereo was why I wanted to embrace commercial FM stations when they were introduced here in 1980. They (unlike North America) were and are always in stereo. The great shame was that I didn't like any of them. Then in 1985 we got (second class) AM stereo. And I was never so happy to hear stations I liked in stereo. That's where my love affair began. As Eric might say - it was the programming. > If you could take > two identically formatted AM stations, one mono, the other stereo, folks > most likely WOULD choose the stereo station if there were a decent selection > of AMS radios available. It's only a nonstarter because receiver > manufacturers didn't provide AMS in any great quantities. They hardly supplied any here at all. Indeed - the vast majority of radio listeners in Oz thing that AMS is a myth. > One other related question would be why other countries didn't mandate AM > stereo on radios with FM stereo? Only in the US was there no official > standard (til 93, at least.) Over here manufacturers were afraid of the > Wrath of (Leonard) Kahn and his numerous lawsuits, and later a benignly > apathetic and overworked FCC. What's the excuse elsewhere? We in Oz have no excuse. Unfortunately we are too small. In my view the fault lies in the FCC. They have gone from stuff-up to stuff-up to the latest IBOC stuff-up. Alot of you people in America seem to champion the freedom of the market. As long as the "bottom line" looks OK you think all and sundry should surely be happy. This seems to me to be the way radio works in the US. All being run by beancounters. The rich may get richer and the poor may get poorer - but the majority are better off ... look at the bottom line. Compare your TV and radio production with Europe. Europe has heaps of production centres and heaps of alternative views. In the US you have two big production centres in LA and NYC. Why doesn't stuff come out of Chicago or Miami? What about all those wonderful cities like New Orleans? Why can't they produce something? Why are you lot in the US so apathetic? Is this really the system you want in the country that you love? Bugger the big end of town profits! Bugger Dr Laura and all who try and emulate her. Bugger Fox News! Alot of you recently would be expected to hate France as it wasn't prepared to enter or condone the war against weapons of mass destruction. It's likely that France simply wanted its oil supply from Iraq to be maintained. It's also likely that the US wanted to contol the supply - and it appears the US as always has won. (Unfortunately with our support.) But you people have to stand up. Nothing in America will change while you all sit on your hands. The FCC is there to "regulate". Don't think about communism or socialism - they are not important. Think about what is right. Whatever you call it. You have a country of 270 million with very few news or broadcast production centres. Think how it compares to Europe. Are you happy with it? What sort of country do you want America to be? Even embracing IBOC seems to some of us others to be an American dream - as in at least America thought of it (and it would be good if it worked!). AM stereo works! I've listened to it for 18 years. I'm convinced. Let us all fight to see it as the "standard" for all world AM broadcasts. Ian Melbourne From rwagoner1@mac.com Sun Jun 08 22:15:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3321 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2003 05:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2003 05:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2003 05:15:25 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030609051513.PNLO6170.fed1mtao07.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 01:15:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:15:23 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Stereo -> Mono? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5F44A6CA-9A39-11D7-97D7-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Not a practical solution, but the old Harman Kardon Citation I preamplifier had a center channel output for doing exactly what you want to do, though you'd need another amplifier as well. Unfortunately they sell on ebay for hundreds of dollars. Built in the early-mid 1960s. On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 08:50 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > My uncle was cleaning out his basement, and to make a long story > short, I now have a *huge* vintage Stromberg-Carlson speaker in my > possession. The cabinet is 33"H x 22"W x 19"D, and it's a three-way > speaker with a 12" woofer -- and needless to say it sounds great. > > But, apparently it's from the 1950s, before Stereo became common, > because he only ever had one. I'd love to hook it up to my stereo > system, but my question is, is there any simple way to hook it up as > a "center channel" speaker, without electrically shorting out the > Left and Right channels, so I could still add separate "satellite" > speakers to maintain Stereo separation? > > I do have one stereo system with a dedicated Center channel output, > but it's only active in Dolby Pro Logic mode, which doesn't maintain > proper separation when playing regular stereo recordings. I suppose > some sort of active crossover would do the trick -- are there any > schematics for one that would be not too difficult or expensive to > build? > From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jun 08 23:12:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91078 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2003 06:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2003 06:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2003 06:12:16 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.11c.2319c179 (4592) for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 02:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11c.2319c179.2c157f3b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 02:12:11 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Attitudes On newsgroups To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, there was also the so-called "marketplace" approach, which has turned out to be a massive failure. The FCC made the near-fatal mistake of taking a "hands-off" approach; if the FCC had taken the "hands-on" approach, as in mandating a standard in the 1980s and fighting Leonard Kahn, then we would have had more AM Stereo receivers and stations. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 23:33:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29680 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2003 06:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2003 06:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2003 06:33:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2003 06:33:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 06:33:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Is WBT 1110 broadcasting IBOC? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 636 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is from the rec.radio.broadcasting newsgroup... From: Karl (Karypises300@yahoo.com) Subject: Is WBT 1110 broadcasting IBOC? (interference to 1100 WTAM) Newsgroups: rec.radio.broadcasting Date: 2003-06-08 07:23:03 PST Has WBT 1110 Charlotte been broadcasting in "digital" (a.k.a. IBOC) for the past few weeks? They seem to be "splattering" either side of their center carrier quite annoyingly of late. I like to catch the 12:00-1:00 weeknight repeat of Coast to Coast AM on WTAM 1100 Cleveland, but it has been difficult of late with all the QRM (ham radio term for adjacent interference) from Charlotte NC. Any ideas? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 09 00:07:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43717 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2003 07:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2003 07:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2003 07:07:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2003 07:07:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 07:07:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: 5.8 GHz? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 696 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Okay, if I'm allowed to be a bit more off-topic... what's the deal with these new 5.8 GHz cordless phones? How can they get any kind of good signal range with that high of a frequency? I always was led to believe that even at UHF frequencies, signals are often blocked by things as small as leaves on a tree, and the higher you go, the more "line of sight" diminishes into "point to point". I know that the 2.4 GHz region, also used by cordless phones, is pretty crowded, with things like microwave ovens and wireless computer networks using it, but what was so bad about 900 MHz anyway? That was a definite improvement over the old 46/49 MHz phones, and is still quite popular today. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 09 00:26:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4518 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2003 07:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2003 07:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2003 07:26:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2003 07:26:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 07:26:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: 5.8 GHz? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1311 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.225 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Okay, if I'm allowed to be a bit more off-topic... what's the deal > with these new 5.8 GHz cordless phones? How can they get any kind of > good signal range with that high of a frequency? > > I always was led to believe that even at UHF frequencies, signals are > often blocked by things as small as leaves on a tree, and the higher > you go, the more "line of sight" diminishes into "point to point". It's still "line of sight", but yes, you get "interesting" conditions with things like....raindrops. (Try 10GHz rainscatter DX! Heck, there are some audiofiles on a few ham sites that demonstrate it.) > I know that the 2.4 GHz region, also used by cordless phones, is > pretty crowded, with things like microwave ovens and wireless > computer networks using it, but what was so bad about 900 MHz anyway? > That was a definite improvement over the old 46/49 MHz phones, and > is still quite popular today. So many complain about 1 or 2 watts of cellphone usage while they cook with 500 watts of resonant-reflected 2.4GHz microwaves in a properly-shielded box... As for 900MHz, that's the Part 15 band, so alot of things get used there, including wireless TV links, cordless phones and such. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alinton@iol.ie Mon Jun 09 01:43:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61520 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2003 08:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2003 08:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davros) (194.165.174.219) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2003 08:43:32 -0000 Received: from Spooler by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO0001CA; 9 Jun 03 09:43:32 +0100 Received: from spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 9 Jun 03 09:43:15 +0100 Received: from FR1.totalbroadcast.net (192.168.0.1) by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG0001C9; 9 Jun 03 09:43:08 +0100 X-MSReally-From: alinton@iol.ie Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030609093854.02df0460@fr1> X-Sender: alinton@fr1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 09:43:06 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Stereo -> Mono? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it's for a front center speaker you'll want to feed it with L+R, i.e. mono. So you'd need to buffer the L and R line level outputs of your amp, combine them and then amplify for that lovely sounding speaker. I'd guess you'll need a decent amplifier for it though... A single 072 or 5532 op-amp could be used for the buffer. You could use it as a sort-of surround speaker by feeding it with L-R, the + legs of the L and R's speaker feeds. But it'll need to be placed behind you. But a speaker like that would be wasted if used this way. good luck! At 03:50 09/06/2003 +0000, you wrote: >My uncle was cleaning out his basement, and to make a long story >short, I now have a *huge* vintage Stromberg-Carlson speaker in my >possession. The cabinet is 33"H x 22"W x 19"D, and it's a three-way >speaker with a 12" woofer -- and needless to say it sounds great. > >But, apparently it's from the 1950s, before Stereo became common, >because he only ever had one. I'd love to hook it up to my stereo >system, but my question is, is there any simple way to hook it up as >a "center channel" speaker, without electrically shorting out the >Left and Right channels, so I could still add separate "satellite" >speakers to maintain Stereo separation? > >I do have one stereo system with a dedicated Center channel output, >but it's only active in Dolby Pro Logic mode, which doesn't maintain >proper separation when playing regular stereo recordings. I suppose >some sort of active crossover would do the trick -- are there any >schematics for one that would be not too difficult or expensive to >build? > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > >11c06319.jpg >11c06386.jpg > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. ----------------------------------- Andy Linton Waterford, Ireland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Jun 09 12:59:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49204 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2003 19:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2003 19:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2003 19:59:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2003 19:59:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 19:59:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo -> Mono? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2377 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.242 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > My uncle was cleaning out his basement, and to make a long story > short, I now have a *huge* vintage Stromberg-Carlson speaker in my > possession. The cabinet is 33"H x 22"W x 19"D, and it's a three-way > speaker with a 12" woofer -- and needless to say it sounds great. > > But, apparently it's from the 1950s, before Stereo became common, > because he only ever had one. I'd love to hook it up to my stereo > system, but my question is, is there any simple way to hook it up as > a "center channel" speaker, without electrically shorting out the > Left and Right channels, so I could still add separate "satellite" > speakers to maintain Stereo separation? > > I do have one stereo system with a dedicated Center channel output, > but it's only active in Dolby Pro Logic mode, which doesn't maintain > proper separation when playing regular stereo recordings. I suppose > some sort of active crossover would do the trick -- are there any > schematics for one that would be not too difficult or expensive to > build? Well there are 2 ways of going about doing this. You can use 2 10K resistors and sum it down to mono and send this signal to a another amp for this speaker. You will need a line level pre out on the stereo amp for the signal though otherwise you can take the signal off of the speaker outputs and use 2 47K resistors summed down to mono and a 3rd resistor of 1k to ground in a 'Y' configuration to attenuate the signal down to line level. The other way, although impracticle, is to use to 2 stepdown transformers with a 2:1 ratio to isolate the L & R speaker outs from each other. The transformers would probably need to have a physical size of what would be used in a 30W tube amp for the output. The primary would be 16ohms and the secondary would be 4ohms. Each of the primary of the transformers would be connected to each of the speaker outs and the secondarys would be connected in series to form an 8ohm source to drive the center speaker. This is the most effecient way to dirve the center speaker without using a 3rd amp. Transformers can also introduce distortion that may be similar to what a tube amp produces. Some people like this sound, others don't and would just be a matter of taste. It might be fitting for an old speaker like this. JSG From dav259@csiro.au Mon Jun 09 16:36:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28425 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2003 23:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2003 23:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2003 23:36:48 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h59Nakh29482 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:36:46 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:36:46 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Opposition Builds To FCC Ownership Decision Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 From another list ... Some House lawmakers plan to introduce legislation to bring back regulations preventing additional media consolidation. The announcement by several Democrats and Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) came after Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Sen. John McCain said that panel would consider similar legislation. "The American people are outraged," Sanders said. "We must rescind the FCC decision and that's what we intend to do." Sanders said the decision by the commission's three Republican members came despite what he called widespread opposition, including comments from 750,000 people who contacted the FCC to criticize the change in regulations. Rep. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) said the new regulations fail to protect the interest of the public. "Since the FCC won't do its job, it's up to Congress to do its job," Brown said. Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) said he's drafting a bill that would include restoring the Fairness Doctrine, which would require TV and radio stations to provide discussion of conflicting views on some public issues. It would also cap radio ownership and bring the limit on TV households back to 35 percent. FCC Chairman Michael Powell has said the change in regulations was necessary to update obsolete restrictions and to make the regulations enforceable. The lawmakers proposed amending the appropriations bill to keep the FCC from getting the money needed to implement the new rules, rescinding the changes it made this week and adding a few more regulations. A House rollback of FCC rules would have to go through the Energy and Commerce Committee. That committee's chairman, Rep. Billy Tauzin (R- LA), supports the FCC's new rules. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Jun 09 17:02:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46804 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 00:02:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 00:02:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 00:02:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20030610000218.35309.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.54.58.222] by web41209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:02:18 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Opposition Builds To FCC Ownership Decision To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus --- Ian Davidson wrote: > > From another list ... >Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) said he's drafting a bill that would include restoring the Fairness Doctrine, which would require TV and radio stations to provide discussion of conflicting views on some public issues. It would also cap radio ownership and bring the limit on TV households back to 35 percent. This won't happen in NZ we are under a totally different rule here(We have a triopoly here-TRN,Radio works and UCB Rhema)Who has the most money owns the frequencies and small operators are bought out and they network all. Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 09 18:14:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73095 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 01:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 01:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 01:14:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 01:14:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 01:14:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo -> Mono? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Well, the speaker cabinet may say Stromberg-Carlson on the front, but removing the 29 screws (!) that secure the back panel revealed one of these: http://www.tubelink.com/speaker/UNIVERSITY/MODEL-6303_UNIT_1.html On the magnet cover, it says "University Model 6303, 30 Watts, 8-16 Ohms, 3-Way Diffaxial Speaker System, White Plains, NY, Made in USA." It's the only self-contained 3-way speaker I've seen, with a "brilliance" control knob. The bass response and power handling are excellent, but it's always rather heavy on the mid-range, regardless of where the "brilliance" control is set. Any clues on the age of this kind of speaker? The only other marking on it is "63B 4 4" in white print directly on the speaker cone. Perhaps early 1960s? I don't think multi-way speakers were quite as sophisticated as this in the 1950s. Anyway, the speaker cabinet is huge enough -- it can comfortably fit a 20-inch television set on top -- and has enough free space that I could mount a radio chassis *inside* it, and have the control panel stick out of the front. It could be anything from an old Becker or Blaupunkt AM/FM/LW/SW car radio to a big vacuum tube set like a Grundig or Telefunken... there's a *lot* of room inside! From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon Jun 09 19:21:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10487 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 02:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 02:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 02:21:49 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030610022144.ZTLP28502.fed1mtao01.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:21:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:21:47 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo -> Mono? Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4957065E-9AEA-11D7-A090-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Where did you find the old Diet Pepsi can? Inside the speaker? On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 06:14 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > Well, the speaker cabinet may say Stromberg-Carlson on the front, but > removing the 29 screws (!) that secure the back panel revealed one of > these: > > http://www.tubelink.com/speaker/UNIVERSITY/MODEL-6303_UNIT_1.html > > On the magnet cover, it says "University Model 6303, 30 Watts, 8-16 > Ohms, 3-Way Diffaxial Speaker System, White Plains, NY, Made in USA." > > It's the only self-contained 3-way speaker I've seen, with a > "brilliance" control knob. The bass response and power handling are > excellent, but it's always rather heavy on the mid-range, regardless > of where the "brilliance" control is set. > > Any clues on the age of this kind of speaker? The only other marking > on it is "63B 4 4" in white print directly on the speaker cone. > Perhaps early 1960s? I don't think multi-way speakers were quite as > sophisticated as this in the 1950s. > > Anyway, the speaker cabinet is huge enough -- it can comfortably fit > a 20-inch television set on top -- and has enough free space that I > could mount a radio chassis *inside* it, and have the control panel > stick out of the front. It could be anything from an old Becker or > Blaupunkt AM/FM/LW/SW car radio to a big vacuum tube set like a > Grundig or Telefunken... there's a *lot* of room inside! > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Get A Free Psychic Reading! 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Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 09 20:21:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40666 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 03:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 03:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 03:21:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 03:21:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:21:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo -> Mono? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4957065E-9AEA-11D7-A090-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 797 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Where did you find the old Diet Pepsi can? Inside the speaker? Nope... that's not my picture at all. I just linked to the web site because it shows the same model of speaker that I have. My cabinet has just one of these big speakers inside, and looks like it hadn't been opened in at least 40 years. There wasn't even a trace of dust inside -- it's a nice tightly sealed cabinet. I just wish it had caster wheels on it... with no handles, it makes an Ampeg Gemini II guitar amp seem easy to carry around in comparison! Obligatory AM Stereo content: if I had another one of these humungous speakers, they would be fantastic for AM Stereo listening... of course, the pair of them would take up half my flippin' living room, but at least they'd make nice solid pieces of furniture. From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Jun 09 20:24:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27697 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 03:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 03:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 03:24:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 03:23:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:23:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo -> Mono? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1139 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Well, the speaker cabinet may say Stromberg-Carlson on the front, but > removing the 29 screws (!) that secure the back panel revealed one of > these: > > http://www.tubelink.com/speaker/UNIVERSITY/MODEL-6303_UNIT_1.html > > On the magnet cover, it says "University Model 6303, 30 Watts, 8-16 > Ohms, 3-Way Diffaxial Speaker System, White Plains, NY, Made in USA." > > It's the only self-contained 3-way speaker I've seen, with a > "brilliance" control knob. The bass response and power handling are > excellent, but it's always rather heavy on the mid-range, regardless > of where the "brilliance" control is set. > > Any clues on the age of this kind of speaker? The only other marking > on it is "63B 4 4" in white print directly on the speaker cone. > Perhaps early 1960s? I don't think multi-way speakers were quite as > sophisticated as this in the 1950s. I am pretty sure they are from the 1950s. When stereo on LPs came out in 1958, those old dinosaurs started to disappear, by the early 1960s they were pretty much history. John From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jun 09 21:06:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44105 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 04:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 04:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 04:06:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 04:06:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 04:06:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Is WBT 1110 broadcasting IBOC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 981 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > This is from the rec.radio.broadcasting newsgroup... > > > From: Karl (Karypises300@y...) > Subject: Is WBT 1110 broadcasting IBOC? (interference to 1100 WTAM) > Newsgroups: rec.radio.broadcasting > Date: 2003-06-08 07:23:03 PST > > Has WBT 1110 Charlotte been broadcasting in "digital" (a.k.a. IBOC) > for the past few weeks? > > They seem to be "splattering" either side of their center carrier > quite annoyingly of late. > > I like to catch the 12:00-1:00 weeknight repeat of Coast to Coast AM > on WTAM 1100 Cleveland, but it has been difficult of late with all > the QRM (ham radio term for adjacent interference) from Charlotte NC. > > Any ideas? I don't hear stuff on either side. I'll check during the day as I am 90 miles from them and get a decent day signal. I have to listen on the Sony ICF-2010 in sync mode at night due to a good deal of selective fading. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 09 21:21:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51385 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 04:21:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 04:21:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 04:21:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 04:21:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 04:20:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo -> Mono? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 445 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > Obligatory AM Stereo content: if I had another one of these humungous > speakers, they would be fantastic for AM Stereo listening... of > course, the pair of them would take up half my flippin' living room, > but at least they'd make nice solid pieces of furniture. And you'll need a tube-based C-QUAM radio to compliment the pair. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jun 10 00:32:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54689 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 07:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 07:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 07:32:02 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.60]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:31:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c32f22$75b69780$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Opposition Builds To FCC Ownership Decision Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:32:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 In an interciew with M Powell on CBS Newsradio88, Powell said "we plan on lawsuits- we are bracing for them now, and ultimately, the courts will decide the final outcome" interesting.... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 7:36 PM Subject: {AMSF} Opposition Builds To FCC Ownership Decision > From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 00:51:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89324 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 07:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 07:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 07:51:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 07:51:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:51:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Opposition Builds To FCC Ownership Decision Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c32f22$75b69780$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 601 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > In an interciew with M Powell on CBS Newsradio88, Powell said "we plan on > lawsuits- we are bracing for them now, and ultimately, the courts will > decide the final outcome" "The people's will be damned, we know better than those lowly peons," as Junior Powell looks down his nose in his plush leather chair, "We shall prevail in the name of the Almighty Dollar, so *tppppht!*" I really don't like this guy..... And we want to entrust him to the future of AM stereo and broadcasting? I don't think so! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alfredot@inetarena.com Tue Jun 10 02:00:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82347 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 09:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 09:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 09:00:41 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust94.tnt8.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [67.227.229.94]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A8trOt007513 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 01:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 01:54:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Attitudes On newsgroups In-Reply-To: <1055139141.4564.91098.m11@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Ian Davidson writes: > Alot of you people in America seem to champion the freedom of the market. > As long as the "bottom line" looks OK you think all and sundry should > surely be happy. This seems to me to be the way radio works in the US. > All being run by beancounters. The rich may get richer and the poor may > get poorer - but the majority are better off ... look at the bottom line. > > Compare your TV and radio production with Europe. Europe has heaps of > production centres and heaps of alternative views. In the US you have two > big production centres in LA and NYC. Why doesn't stuff come out of > Chicago or Miami? What about all those wonderful cities like New Orleans? > Why can't they produce something? Why are you lot in the US so apathetic? > > Is this really the system you want in the country that you love? Last weekend, I got something neat in the mail: a 6-CD Portland radio history documentary that aired on KJUN 104.1 (now KFIS) when its current transmitter site went on the air in the summer of 2001. In the documentary were airchecks, ranging from about 1960 to 1993 of a variety of pop music stations that existed in the metro area through the years. The 1960s and 1970s airchecks were quite different from what one hears on American music radio today because: 1) There were newscasts with in-depth coverage. 2) The personalities had a real command of their programs, seamlessly integrating music, weather/traffic reports, banter, and the commercials. 3) More time and energy was put into production (station IDs, jingles, etc). 4) The personalities' sense of humor was more intelligent than what passes for humor on the radio today (yet not so bookish as to sound elitist). My subtle, yet important, point behind this is that all of these airchecks were of commercial radio stations. People turned profits broadcasting this stuff (and in the case of KISN 910, very handsome profits). Today, some people who get frustrated with what comes out of the conglomerate-run radio Play-Doh Fun Factories go overboard and denounce all commercial radio as being flawed. As a former staffer and program director at a university station, I used to hear this dunderheaded viewpoint ad-nauseum (commercial radio is bad, playlists are bad, charts are bad, smooth-talking DJs are bad, making money is bad, capitalism is bad...you name it, it's bad). I think that these airchecks from years gone by prove the anti-commercial people wrong. I am all for capitalism; I just don't agree with the business model under which Clear Channel, et al. operate. Alfredo From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 02:20:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69997 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 09:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 09:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 09:20:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 09:20:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:20:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Attitudes On newsgroups Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1128 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alfredo E. Torrejon" wrote: Alfredo, I for one, have never really thought commercial rasdio was bad. (On the contrary, actually, as long as the station is an active and integral part of the community it's a part of.) My beef is with CORPORATE broadcasting, since they're not interested in serving the community-- Actuaqlly, not interested in serving at all! Just dole it out and tell you you7 like this crap because they say so. I have never been against capitalism, as long as it's responsible capitalism, because responsible capitalists make money the old- fashioned way: They EARN it. :) But to add to this, I'm also bothered by the community/public-radio bashing that goes on, too. Both have roles in the community; both are very important to the community. For a better community, we need respect and service, and whether commercially or non-commercially, it can be done. (And no, it doesn't matter what KIND of music is offered- Respect and serve your listeners and your community, and they will respect and serve you in kind. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Jun 10 04:50:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98619 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 11:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 11:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 11:50:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 11:50:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:50:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo -> Mono? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4351 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Sounds like a pretty good find. I have a pair of speakers that my brother and I built in the 70s - 35 inches high, 24 inches wide, 17 inches deep. They have been remodeled numerous times, with various drivers in them. Early in their life - 1981 to be exact, they lived through the great speaker fire of Antigonish - the 15 inch pro driver could not handle the power of the Peavey CS-800 we used in the DJ business. Thanks to quick wits and a fire extinguisher, the cabinets were fine. By the way, the CS-800 is still going strong - not even a drunken St.F.X. student pouring beer inside it could hurt it - credit going in part to the cooling fan blowing out through the top vents. Current driver lineup includes a 15 inch driver [20 pound magnet structure here!] taken out of a horn load Traynor sound reinforcement cabinet, and two RS 3.5 by 3.5 compression horns. I jack the crossover frequency up higher to increase power handling and smooth the sound. These are in my basement, now refinished in oak venear, where I play with my toys. Current amp is a nice little 8 watt per channel tube amp I built from a kit - its the same rig that AES sells for $140. 8 watts per side does rather nicely with 100 db/watt/m speakers. I have rigged up an input selector, so a TEAC CD changer feeds one input, and the lovely 16 tube Heath PT-1 AM/FM tuner feeds the other input. Most of the time, I have the select switch to tuner. The PT-1 is as hot as a firecracker on FM [which is mono], and has superb sound up to 9.5 khz on AM wide, with an impressive whistle filter for 10 khz. Kevin, if the midrange is a little too strong, try a different crossover capacitor - should be under the bell housing, based on the picture you attached. Let's say the existing one is 15 uf - try replacing it with a 10 uf - this will raise your crossover frequency resulting quite often in smoother sound. Or, replace a 20 uf with a 15 uf etc. Don't use a larger value cap, only a smaller value. Keep the voltage rating high - at least 50 volts, better yet 60 or more. I have blown far too many 50 volt crossover caps! Also, for best sound avoid a non-polarized electrolytic cap - use a nice mylar one [can be pretty pricey though] or maybe even a Solen from AES. An Auracap is probably overkill. Are you accustomed to horn drivers? If not, just give it some time. I have been a horn driver addict since I was a kid - I hate the sound of any tweeter but a horn tweeter, and the only good midrange is a horn midrange properly crossed over and padded down to reason. The only dome tweeter I've ever liked is the dome in the RS Minimus 7 and recent RS update - XV-44 or something like that - a fine sounding mini speaker with 17 db less efficiency than these big oak speakers. Others are free to disagree with my preferences - of course, it is a matter of taste. If I had to live with factory built speakers intended for the home market, it would have to be Klipsch, otherwise, good factory pro speakers, or best, custom built speakers made by yours truly. Amazing what some formulas, a signal generator, scope etc. can do! I'm not a big fan of piezo tweeters - give me a good dynamic compression horn any day! Another good use for the speaker is get a nice Heathkit or other tube AM/FM mono tuner, a mono tube amp, recap it, then feed the speaker with this combo for a vintage system. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Where did you find the old Diet Pepsi can? Inside the speaker? > > Nope... that's not my picture at all. I just linked to the web site > because it shows the same model of speaker that I have. My cabinet > has just one of these big speakers inside, and looks like it hadn't > been opened in at least 40 years. There wasn't even a trace of dust > inside -- it's a nice tightly sealed cabinet. I just wish it had > caster wheels on it... with no handles, it makes an Ampeg Gemini II > guitar amp seem easy to carry around in comparison! > > Obligatory AM Stereo content: if I had another one of these humungous > speakers, they would be fantastic for AM Stereo listening... of > course, the pair of them would take up half my flippin' living room, > but at least they'd make nice solid pieces of furniture. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Jun 10 05:05:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24422 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 12:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 12:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 12:05:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 12:05:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:05:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT Re: Attitudes On newsgroups Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3990 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Here here! It is certainly possible to run a commecial station, make tons of money, serve the public really well, have staff that are happy and love their work - CJFX years ago. It is even possible for a chain to do this - MacLean Hunter's radio wing years ago, before MBS Radio [Clear Channel Wannabee] came along. The key is find your niche, evolve yes, but stick with the basic concept. Unique stations that succumb to a "me too" philosophy generally suffer poor ratings, and go into the red. If all your competitors are playing "Lite Rock", Classic Rock, Kickin Country, Good Time Oldies etc. [Lite Rocks are styrofoam, right?] do something different. How about real rock, with a bit of a crossover country twist and some Celtic thrown in, and real news, like CJFX used to be when they made tons of money - before they "me tooed" themselves into the red. Phil R. P.S. Radio should make money, serve the public and be fun - for the listeners, the staff and the owners. I don't really have anything against public radio - e.g. the CBC any more, but the CBC is not my cup of tea. Campus radio? Been there, done that, and it always holds a special place in my heart. -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alfredo E. Torrejon" wrote: > Ian Davidson writes: > > > Alot of you people in America seem to champion the freedom of the market. > > As long as the "bottom line" looks OK you think all and sundry should > > surely be happy. This seems to me to be the way radio works in the US. > > All being run by beancounters. The rich may get richer and the poor may > > get poorer - but the majority are better off ... look at the bottom line. > > > > Compare your TV and radio production with Europe. Europe has heaps of > > production centres and heaps of alternative views. In the US you have two > > big production centres in LA and NYC. Why doesn't stuff come out of > > Chicago or Miami? What about all those wonderful cities like New Orleans? > > Why can't they produce something? Why are you lot in the US so apathetic? > > > > Is this really the system you want in the country that you love? > > Last weekend, I got something neat in the mail: a 6-CD Portland > radio history documentary that aired on KJUN 104.1 (now KFIS) when its > current transmitter site went on the air in the summer of 2001. In the > documentary were airchecks, ranging from about 1960 to 1993 of a variety > of pop music stations that existed in the metro area through the > years. The 1960s and 1970s airchecks were quite different from what one > hears on American music radio today because: > 1) There were newscasts with in-depth coverage. > 2) The personalities had a real command of their programs, seamlessly > integrating music, weather/traffic reports, banter, and the commercials. > 3) More time and energy was put into production (station IDs, jingles, > etc). > 4) The personalities' sense of humor was more intelligent than what passes > for humor on the radio today (yet not so bookish as to sound elitist). > My subtle, yet important, point behind this is that all of these > airchecks were of commercial radio stations. People turned profits > broadcasting this stuff (and in the case of KISN 910, very handsome > profits). Today, some people who get frustrated with what comes out of > the conglomerate-run radio Play-Doh Fun Factories go overboard and > denounce all commercial radio as being flawed. As a former staffer and > program director at a university station, I used to hear this dunderheaded > viewpoint ad-nauseum (commercial radio is bad, playlists are bad, charts > are bad, smooth-talking DJs are bad, making money is bad, capitalism is > bad...you name it, it's bad). I think that these airchecks from years > gone by prove the anti-commercial people wrong. I am all for > capitalism; I just don't agree with the business model under which Clear > Channel, et al. operate. > > Alfredo From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Tue Jun 10 09:04:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4876 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 16:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 16:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 16:04:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 16:04:22 -0000 Date: 10 Jun 2003 16:04:21 -0000 Message-ID: <1055261061.4748.89154.w36@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /AM_Stereo_Audio_-_Magnet_n_Steel_(2[1].1)-edited.mp3 Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : CFCO Audio (1) from FTA-100 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM_Stereo_Audio_-_Magnet_n_Steel_%282%5B1%5D.1%29-edited.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, toledohamradio From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Tue Jun 10 09:06:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60111 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 16:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 16:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 16:06:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 16:05:00 -0000 Date: 10 Jun 2003 16:04:59 -0000 Message-ID: <1055261099.3804.94409.w52@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /CFCO_Stereo_ID.mp3 Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : CFCO Stereo AM Station ID FTA-100 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/CFCO_Stereo_ID.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, toledohamradio From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 10:08:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11756 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 17:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 17:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 17:07:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 17:07:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:07:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Retry of CFCO Snippet loaded in the FILES area Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 108 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "toledohamradio" X-Originating-IP: 209.45.202.244 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Try the file "MagnetSteel" in our "Files" section for another very small snippet of CFCO from the FTA-100. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 12:07:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8977 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 19:06:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 19:06:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 19:06:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 19:06:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:06:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: .DSN and .LYT files Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 441 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie You would think someone with Labcenter Proteus schematic/PCB design software would think to export to EPS, since not everyone has, or can afford to buy Proteus. (At least EPS is portable, and can be easily converted to PDF for further portability.) (THere's a PCB layout .LYT and schematic .DSN pair of files in the files section, that seem to be AM stereo related, but since I don't have the software, I can't tell.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oscar@globility.com Tue Jun 10 12:22:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55789 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 19:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 19:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 19:22:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 19:22:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:22:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Attitudes On newsgroups Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2786 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.240 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alfredo E. Torrejon" wrote: Today, some people who get frustrated with what comes out of > the conglomerate-run radio Play-Doh Fun Factories go overboard and > denounce all commercial radio as being flawed. As a former staffer and > program director at a university station, I used to hear this dunderheaded > viewpoint ad-nauseum (commercial radio is bad, playlists are bad, charts > are bad, smooth-talking DJs are bad, making money is bad, capitalism is > bad...you name it, it's bad). I think that these airchecks from years > gone by prove the anti-commercial people wrong. I am all for > capitalism; I just don't agree with the business model under which Clear > Channel, et al. operate. > > Alfredo Right on Alfredo! It's not always the content that's at fault, but more correctly it's what drives the content. There appears to be less interest in making content relevant. Radio's original intent was to entertain people. In order to sustain the effort, "commercial" radio was born through the vision of entrepeneurs who saw that its news broadcasts offered welcome information and its music, comedy and drama entertained the mind. Awareness grew so much that radio became a welcome companion in more and more households. The core values still remain, but those who are presently in charge of content only know Arbitron. It's like everyone stopped thinking about what makes life more enjoyable. According to what I hear and others have said, instead of working on innovative format development, all many of them seem to be doing is waiting for the next Arbitron. We all know apathy exists everywhere. IMO, it's as much plain laziness as it is a lack of empowerment. However, attitudes do change attitudes is when someone champions the cause that can release the apathy. Radio being as widely diverse as it is has to look at what the public really wants in the long run, not just the flavor of the day. Also, the public and the broadcasters alike have to become more aware that not all radios sound the same. Some sound better than others, which means all could sound better, given the necessary design time. We see that in Amy's challenge to build a better mouse... oops, sorry, more efficient AM radio. Finaly, those that are not aware of that fact might say the "loudest" station is the most popular, so why bother. Sure, it may be heard above the crowd, but so can a crying baby. And, I might add, in terms of listenability, they might easily rank about the same. Think about it! Unfortunately, the quality of music has given way to loudness. And loudness is really of value only to those who have lost much of their hearing because of it. Who are we pandering to?? M.S. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 12:39:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51019 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 19:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 19:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 19:39:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 19:39:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:39:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Attitudes On newsgroups Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 566 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: =snip= > Radio being as widely diverse as it is has to look at what the > public really wants in the long run, not just the flavor of the day. > Also, the public and the broadcasters alike have to become more aware > that not all radios sound the same. Some sound better than others, > which means all could sound better, given the necessary design time. > We see that in Amy's challenge to build a better mouse... oops, > sorry, more efficient AM radio. *squeek?* ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oscar@globility.com Tue Jun 10 13:00:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55961 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 20:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 20:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 20:00:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 20:00:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:00:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: You want a REALLY good AM antenna?????? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1055 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.240 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3029450897&category=4672 > > The BEST. > > For those who don't know what McKay Dymek is, they made top shelf AM > and FM tuners in the 1970's and early 1980's. The Dymek AM5 AM > wideband tuner is still, to this day, the best AM reciever I have > ever heard for high fidelity AM. In the wideband mode, it is flat > out past 10kHz. If you EVER see one (they're woodgrain finish with > smoked dial), grab it. You won't be sorry. The McKay Dymek AM tuner is a classic and the last of a breed that used dual conversion in its design. I had one on loan for awhile when I was researching AM receivers. It was a good benchmark design which I hope those who know the Dymek will find we've met and surpassed with the FTA-100. M.S. For those who may write directly at times, Yahoo's servers says my original Email address is bouncing, which it is not. Therefore I ask you not to change your address book. From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jun 10 15:00:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3073 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 22:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 22:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 22:00:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 22:00:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:00:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Attitudes On newsgroups Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3889 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.225 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > > Right on Alfredo! It's not always the content that's at fault, but > more correctly it's what drives the content. That sounds like theology. It sounds like you are saying that you can have good content, but if the motivation behind it is "faulty", then it is not good. > There appears to be less > interest in making content relevant. Radio's original intent was to > entertain people. In order to sustain the effort, "commercial" radio > was born through the vision of entrepeneurs who saw that its news > broadcasts offered welcome information and its music, comedy and > drama entertained the mind. But radio with pictures came along, and has taken over the majority of the responsibility for news, comedy, and drama, leaving only music for the old form of radio. > Awareness grew so much that radio became > a welcome companion in more and more households. Ditto the new radio with pictures, which has largely replaced radio in that capacity. > The core values still remain, but those who are presently in charge > of content only know Arbitron. The bills do have to be paid. > It's like everyone stopped thinking > about what makes life more enjoyable. According to what I hear and > others have said, instead of working on innovative format > development, all many of them seem to be doing is waiting for the > next Arbitron. OK, if it is so easy let's hear some ideas for "innovative formats", and a plan to pay for them. > We all know apathy exists everywhere. IMO, it's as much plain > laziness as it is a lack of empowerment. However, attitudes do > change attitudes is when someone champions the cause that can > release the apathy. What are you waiting for, I appoint you champion of the cause. > Radio being as widely diverse as it is has to look at what the > public really wants in the long run, not just the flavor of the > day. The "flavor of the day" seems to be what the public wants in the short run, that's what drives it, what do you think the public wants in the "long run". I think the problem here may be "the public" vs. an "elite" minority. > Also, the public and the broadcasters alike have to become more > aware that not all radios sound the same. Some sound better than > others, which means all could sound better, given the necessary > design time. This seems to be an age old issue, and it isn't at all clear to me that "the public" wants a radio that sounds better, at least in the sense that radio people, or audiophiles might define better. Over the years examples abound of "the public" choosing degraded sound quality when they could have more faithful reproduction from the same hardware. > We see that in Amy's challenge to build a better mouse... oops, > sorry, more efficient AM radio. "efficient", what exactly does that mean in terms of a radio receiver? > Finaly, those that are not aware of that fact might say the > "loudest" station is the most popular, so why bother. Sure, it may > be heard above the crowd, but so can a crying baby. And, I might > add, in terms of listenability, they might easily rank about the > same. Think about it! Being able to be heard more easily above the crowd could be an advantage when someone is surfing the dial looking for a station to listen to, and if the "listenability" actually ranks the same, why not? > Unfortunately, the quality of music has given way to loudness. > And loudness is really of value only to those who have lost much of > their hearing because of it. Who are we pandering to?? Radio today is not a home medium, it is mobile medium often listened to in the automotive environment where the noise level can be high, hence the compression that is a significant part of the "loudness" equation serves a real, and useful purpose. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jun 10 15:07:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1670 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 22:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 22:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 22:07:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 22:07:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:07:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: You want a REALLY good AM antenna?????? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1371 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.225 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" > wrote: > > > > For those who don't know what McKay Dymek is, they made top shelf > > AM and FM tuners in the 1970's and early 1980's. AM for sure, but I wasn't aware that McKay Dymek made any FM tuners, at least in the 1970s and early 1980s time frame. > The McKay Dymek AM tuner is a classic and the last of a breed that > used dual conversion in its design. There were a number of different McKay Dymek AM tuner models, did they all use "dual conversion", or just the models that included short wave reception? What is the advantage of "dual conversion" in a MW AM broadcast receiver? > I had one on loan for awhile when > I was researching AM receivers. It was a good benchmark design which > I hope those who know the Dymek will find we've met and surpassed > with the FTA-100. Since the McKay Dymek AM tuner was the last of the breed that used dual conversion in its design, what advanced design features does the FTA-100 incorporate to set it apart from the crowd? > For those who may write directly at times, Yahoo's servers says my > original Email address is bouncing, which it is not. Perhaps your ISP has put Yahoo on its "spamers" list and rejects incoming mail from Yahoo accounts? John From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Jun 10 15:28:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55697 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 22:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 22:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 22:28:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 22:28:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:28:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1055261099.3804.94409.w52@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 437 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 213.121.69.150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > group. > > File : /CFCO_Stereo_ID.mp3 > Uploaded by : toledohamradio > Description : CFCO Stereo AM Station ID FTA-100 > Nice clips but a bit short though ie a few mins maybe ? From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 15:45:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96235 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 22:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 22:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 22:45:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 22:45:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:45:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Alternate methods of C-QuAM Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1559 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.16.94 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb Greetings, I have been interested in radio for as long as I can remember, and in AM stereo for as long as I've known about it. I can remember the "myths" (all you need are 2 radios, one tuned below, one above), et al. Now I know the "myths" were attempts to produce 'stereo' from an ISB transmission, and any seperation noted using any other system (Magnavox was popular in KC where I grew up) were largely in one's audio imagination. Sort of like a $500 power cord would make a difference in a PROPERLY DESIGNED audio system, but that's another rant. Most of us who are so technically inclined know that there are different methods for generating (and receiving) an FM stereo signal using the present Zenith system. 1) L+R is transmitted in baseband, and L-R modulates a double sideband carrier supressed subcarrier(?) at 2X the 19KC pilot. 2) L and R channels are switched back and forth, one to the other at the subcarrier rate. More on the subject of the forum, I have been working on an alternate method for generating the QuAM signal required in the C- QuAM system. While space doesn't permit me to outline the details for what I've been working on, let me just say that there's really nothing new under the AM sun. Aside to Amy, it is possible to have a C-QuAM receiver that glows in the dark. Remember, the 7360 makes a terrific balanced modulator, and there were many other fine tubes that were used for chroma demods. That leaves the subject of a "gain modulator". This I leave to you. Happy listening!!! From oscar@globility.com Tue Jun 10 16:49:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75688 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 23:49:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2003 23:49:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 23:49:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2003 23:49:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:49:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: You want a REALLY good AM antenna?????? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 629 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: >> > Perhaps your ISP has put Yahoo on its "spamers" list and rejects > incoming mail from Yahoo accounts? > > John If they did, they might have been a little more specific and really done me some good.(just kidding John ... I couldn't resist the temptation :-)) I don't know a lot about McKay Dymek, except that their AM tuner was good stuff back then. And I haven't a clue about them being into FM. What makes the FTA-100 stand out in a crowd? Sensitivity, selectivity, low noise, honest sound. All of which will soon be demonstrated here. M.S. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 17:15:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95768 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 00:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 00:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 00:15:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2003 00:15:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:15:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Retry of CFCO Snippet loaded in the FILES area Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1107 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Try the file "MagnetSteel" in our "Files" section for another very > small snippet of CFCO from the FTA-100. Can you clue is in as to where this recording was made? Assuming for the moment that your e-mail address is to be taken literally and you're in the Toledo area, that's about a good 80 miles away from CFCO's transmitter site. Thus, your audio samples of CFCO, although short, are a good example of how the Fanfare tuner compensates for weaker signals by reducing the bandwidth and increasing the amount of noise reduction, while still maintaining full Stereo separation and a reasonable amount of treble response. Now, the question is... would IBOC work *at all* in this same condition? Preliminary tests from 710 WOR showed that the IBOC receiver dropped to analog mode at about 75 miles from the transmitter, and that was well within the 2.5 mV/m coverage area of WOR's 50,000-watt Class A signal. CFCO's signal in the Toledo area is considerably weaker than that, and yet, obviously the Fanfare tuner was able to provide Stereo audio that is entirely clear and listenable. From radiocolchester@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 17:25:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radiocolchester@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61069 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 00:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 00:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 00:25:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2003 00:25:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:25:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Making radio history Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 674 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." X-Originating-IP: 66.159.147.38 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=126373133 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester I am purchasing Chris Cuff's AM Stereo "Alfredo Lite" Transmitter and hope to be on the air here in Norwich CT in Mid July after programming issues have been worked out. I jus twanted to let you all know.....when I do get on the air, I will be making radio history, as MY statiuon wil lthe the First and Only AM Stereo Station, EVER(to my knowledge..and I'm only 19)...in New Loncdon County, Connecticut and Southern Rhode Island. We have or have had abou6 6 AM Stations and I don't think any of them were ever stereo. Paul B. Walker, Jr. Operations Manager New London County and Southern Rhode Island's First and Only AM Stereo Station...1620 WPBW Norwich, CT! From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Jun 10 17:33:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98028 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 00:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 00:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (207.169.189.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 00:33:23 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy.eds.com [192.85.216.78]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h5B0XL518762 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:33:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5B0XI207624 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:33:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5B0XHO07614 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:33:17 +1000 (EST) Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:33:17 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F46FEF@aubwm206> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: i1197 Brisbane - Mono Wideband MP3's uploaded Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:33:07 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Hi, I just finished uploading these to the ftp site: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/i1197-mono-small-1.mp3 (1.5mb) ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/i1197-mono-large-2.mp3 (15mb) I don't think they are using the NRSC mask somehow - these sound amazing! Off Air signal from a Harris MW-1A - approximately 10 miles from TX site. Sony ST-JX420A in Wideband mode! Enjoy, Matt From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Jun 10 18:35:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87488 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 01:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 01:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (207.169.189.136) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 01:35:30 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy.eds.com [192.85.216.78]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h5B1ZN512546 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:35:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5B1ZL207581 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:35:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5B1ZKO07563 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:35:20 +1000 (EST) Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:35:20 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F46FF0@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: i1197 Brisbane - Mono Wideband MP3's uploaded Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:35:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Whoops.. the small one is a bit of a dud file - I'll try and fix it up tonight - if you can handle the 15mb file it is MUCH better quality. (no whistle in the background either!) > -----Original Message----- > From: Trim, Matthew L > Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 10:33 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: i1197 Brisbane - Mono Wideband MP3's uploaded > Importance: High > > Hi, > > I just finished uploading these to the ftp site: > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/i1197-mono-small-1.mp3 (1.5mb) > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/i1197-mono-large-2.mp3 (15mb) > > I don't think they are using the NRSC mask somehow - these sound amazing! > > Off Air signal from a Harris MW-1A - approximately 10 miles from TX site. > > Sony ST-JX420A in Wideband mode! > > Enjoy, > > Matt > > > > From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 18:43:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55244 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 01:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 01:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 01:43:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20030611014324.36195.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.148] by web41207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:43:24 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: i1197 Brisbane - Mono Wideband MP3's uploaded To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F46FF0@aubwm206> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus --- "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Whoops.. the small one is a bit of a dud file - I'll > try and fix it up > tonight - if you can handle the 15mb file it is MUCH > better quality. > (no whistle in the background either!) > >What was the whistle-It actually sounds like the TV as 1197 has a high pitched TV Hetrodyne. ps I can often tell what AM stations I am listening to with its hetrodyne. ie "1251 has a high pitched whistle,1476 has none 828 has a warbling low whistle and 1080 has a screech and in the old days 1000khz had a rumble only" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Jun 10 18:48:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64239 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 01:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 01:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (207.169.189.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 01:48:09 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy.eds.com [192.85.216.78]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h5B1m8515368 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:48:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5B1m3213355 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:48:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5B1m1O13323 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:48:01 +1000 (EST) Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:48:01 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F46FF2@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} RE: i1197 Brisbane - Mono Wideband MP3's uploaded Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:47:56 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Not sure what caused the whistle - but it wasn't in the rest of the MP3's - I think I accidentally uploaded an old MP3 I recorded some time ago... The correct files have ID tags and info from Messer - A great way of creating airchecks! Get it for free from here: http://www.dago.pmp.com.pl/messer/ Cheers, Matt =) -----Original Message----- From: Michael and Ross [mailto:alnairgrus@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 11:43 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: i1197 Brisbane - Mono Wideband MP3's uploaded --- "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Whoops.. the small one is a bit of a dud file - I'll > try and fix it up > tonight - if you can handle the 15mb file it is MUCH > better quality. > (no whistle in the background either!) > What was the whistle-It actually sounds like the TV as 1197 has a high pitched TV Hetrodyne. ps I can often tell what AM stations I am listening to with its hetrodyne. ie "1251 has a high pitched whistle,1476 has none 828 has a warbling low whistle and 1080 has a screech and in the old days 1000khz had a rumble only" From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jun 10 18:55:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40653 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 01:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 01:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.244.194) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 01:55:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:55:38 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav59.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:55:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alternate methods of C-QuAM Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:55:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2003 01:55:38.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E831BE0:01C32FBC] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When you get your alternate method of C-QuAM worked out, send me a schematic, pcb layout, and a little info, etc. and I will post it to my website. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis 88.3 FM Stereo AM 1610 Real Community Radio!!!!! http://www.qsl.net/kc8gpd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 19:23:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50064 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 02:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 02:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 02:23:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2003 02:23:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:23:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of C-QuAM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4421 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > Greetings, > I have been interested in radio for as long as I can remember, and Welcomje aboard! > in AM stereo for as long as I've known about it. I can remember > the "myths" (all you need are 2 radios, one tuned below, one above), > et al. Now I know the "myths" were attempts to produce 'stereo' from > an ISB transmission, and any seperation noted using any other system Correct, it works for ISB quite well. Others using a quadrature system would need dematrixing, at least, and at best a proper sync detector with I and Q outputs. > (Magnavox was popular in KC where I grew up) were largely in one's > audio imagination. Sort of like a $500 power cord would make a > difference in a PROPERLY DESIGNED audio system, but that's another > rant. Just as all quadrature systems have some phase, PM or FM systems (Magnavox was AM/PM; RCA/Belar/Sansui were AM/FM) would have some element of quadrature in them- There aren't any "pure" AM stereo systems without one or the other as a by-product. I have never heard a Magnavox in operation, live. None were here on the west coast. > Most of us who are so technically inclined know that there are > different methods for generating (and receiving) an FM stereo signal > using the present Zenith system. There are different techniques with the same results, yes. > 1) L+R is transmitted in baseband, and L-R modulates a double > sideband carrier supressed subcarrier(?) at 2X the 19KC pilot. That's the way it's supposed to be, at least. (Although the Crosby FM system would be interesting to experiment, and if I can find info on the old Soviet FM system.....) > 2) L and R channels are switched back and forth, one to the other at > the subcarrier rate. Never heard of this technique, and by the sound of the description, I wouldn't think it would work with analog radio. (It's how digital works, though- Sequential alternation between channel samples.) > More on the subject of the forum, I have been working on an > alternate method for generating the QuAM signal required in the C- > QuAM system. While space doesn't permit me to outline the details for > what I've been working on, let me just say that there's really > nothing new under the AM sun. Quite true. After all, quadrature theory has been applied since 1915, with the first stereo quadrature patents filed on December 31, 1925, and the earliest application of AM/FM or AM/PM dates back to about 1937. (RCA's system is based on a 1941 patent.) And just about every proposal I have seen (except for one 1946 patent, that uses an AM subcarrier at 60kHz of the main AM carrier- sounds familiar, doesn't it?) (The youngest AMS system patent, issued in 1987, was to Sansui, for a variant of RCA's AM/FM system.) > Aside to Amy, it is possible to have a C-QuAM receiver that glows > in the dark. Remember, the 7360 makes a terrific balanced modulator, > and there were many other fine tubes that were used for chroma > demods. That leaves the subject of a "gain modulator". This I leave > to you. Avsolutely correct. :) You might be interested in RCA's 1960 paper on AM stereo, if you haven't seen it yet- It's here at: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/usa/misc/rca/ Don't view these in IE, though, since it does choke on large B&W GIFs; instead, download all 31 files, a total of 14.2 MB. Worth the download, though. Of interest is the schematic in rca14.gif (pp. 324/325), and the surrounding section in rca13, 14, 15 & 19.gifs, but the rest is worthwhile, too. The trick, though, is getting a proper C-QUAM decoding from the quadrature detector (which the above schematic looks like it has a sync detector as well as the FM discriminator- Not bad, for 1959/1960 :) ), without resorting to any prepackaged ICs (although I can forgive a few transistors- The aformentioned schematic has some). Again, welcome aboard, and I'm sure a few of us look forward to your thoughts on the subject. :) AM stereo must survive, and it's up to us to do it. > Happy listening!!! And happy experimenting! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (I need to find another 1-bit-to-1-bit TIFF to GIF (batch-capable) converter, since my copy of CompuShow32 (demo mode) expired, so I can't finish with sorting out my patent collection, with the source files being TIFF....) From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 19:35:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51111 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 02:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 02:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 02:35:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2003 02:35:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:35:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: i1197 Brisbane - Mono Wideband MP3's uploaded Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F46FF0@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 697 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Whoops.. the small one is a bit of a dud file - I'll try and fix it up > tonight - if you can handle the 15mb file it is MUCH better quality. > (no whistle in the background either!) Even with the computer or video RFI, the short ID one sounded great. :) And the half-hour one? Even mono, THIS is the way AM reception should sound! Fantastic sound, Matt! Too bad we were unsuccessful in getting i1197 (formerly Switch) to go stereo, but these sound super-clear. :) (Most Americans, for what it's worth, aren't used to the Euro-urban formula, but it is somewhat close to US pop today.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Jun 10 19:44:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25825 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 02:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 02:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (207.169.189.136) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 02:44:56 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy.eds.com [192.85.216.78]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h5B2it508566 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:44:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5B2ir214938 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:44:53 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5B2irO14934 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:44:53 +1000 (EST) Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:44:53 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F46FF5@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: i1197 Brisbane - Mono Wideband MP3's uploaded Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:44:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Thanks Amy, Yeah I am amazed at the quality myself! We're still trying to get them into CQUAM - their poor Harris MW-1A is only running at 500w fulltime (which is their licensed nightime power - 1kw daytime) I think they have reduced their modulation slightly but it has really cleaned up the sound! - also they don't seem to be running very heavy compression anymore which is a change. :) -----Original Message----- From: amymousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 12:36 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: i1197 Brisbane - Mono Wideband MP3's uploaded --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Whoops.. the small one is a bit of a dud file - I'll try and fix it up > tonight - if you can handle the 15mb file it is MUCH better quality. > (no whistle in the background either!) Even with the computer or video RFI, the short ID one sounded great. :) And the half-hour one? Even mono, THIS is the way AM reception should sound! Fantastic sound, Matt! Too bad we were unsuccessful in getting i1197 (formerly Switch) to go stereo, but these sound super-clear. :) (Most Americans, for what it's worth, aren't used to the Euro-urban formula, but it is somewhat close to US pop today.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 19:49:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74603 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 02:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 02:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 02:49:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2003 02:49:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:49:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alternate methods of C-QuAM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 516 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > When you get your alternate method of C-QuAM worked out, send me a schematic, pcb layout, and a little info, etc. and I will post it to my website. Lord knows we could use more C-QUAM transmitter plans, beyond the Alfredo & A. Lite designs. (But at least Alfredo's AMS site makes excellent reference material to mounce off from.) (Sorry, Reverend. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Deist mousie, but that's unimportant, here. :) ) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 20:47:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38635 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 03:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 03:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 03:47:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20030611034711.91985.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.118.190.81] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:47:11 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FTA-100 Fanfare sounds great To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin wrote: "Can you clue is in as to where this recording was made? Assuming for...about a good 80 miles away from CFCO's transmitter site." You are correct, I'm a good two-hour drive away from their 10KW transmitter, and I am NOT in the CFCO primary area of coverage either. Using just the Radio Shack Loop Antenna (which also cuts the bandwidth by just a hair) I made the recording a good 80 miles+ (by air) from their transmitter. The tuner was set to 'wide' bandwidth, but it cuts it down automatically to compensate for the fact that I had only 1 bar lit on the signal strength meter, whereas WJR lit up 3 bars of signal. The recordings I made were direct to an audio CD, and I've been trying to convert some audio CD snippets into MP3s so I can share how great these sound. You should hear a Frank Sinatra tune - fantastic separation with almost no signal - and this isn't with the Omega system yet either! I also have to add that I made a preliminary statement in error regarding the FTA-100 not being a great DX tuner, as I failed to take into account the atmospheric conditions at the time, nor did I compare it to other rigs in a 'scientific test'. So I conducted some additional tests comparing the same distance stations to both the Sony SRF-A100 and to the Chrysler 5-band EQ AMS receiver in addition to the FTA-100, and the Fanfare whipped both of them in weak signal stereo reception. A great tuner - too bad some of the radio conglomerates don't realize the FTA-100 already has the answer to great AM audio reception - not digitizing the RF, but making a decent AM receiver. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 21:44:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26845 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 04:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 04:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 04:44:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2003 04:44:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:44:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FTA-100 Fanfare sounds great Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030611034711.91985.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 352 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: =snip= > with almost no signal - and this isn't with the Omega system yet either! Marv can correct us on this, but I do believe in a previous post he said this FTA-100 you're presently testing IS the one with Omega. All I can say is, "killer DX". ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 21:55:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53488 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 04:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 04:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 04:55:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2003 04:55:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:55:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of C-QuAM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 433 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: =update= > (I need to find another 1-bit-to-1-bit TIFF to GIF (batch-capable) > converter, since my copy of CompuShow32 (demo mode) expired, so I > can't finish with sorting out my patent collection, with the source > files being TIFF....) Found one, "irfanView", which does what I need. Back to preparing my AMS patent archives.... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Jun 11 05:45:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74956 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 12:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 12:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 12:45:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2003 12:45:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:45:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: i1197 Brisbane - Mono Wideband MP3's uploaded Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F46FEF@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 588 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.62.38 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Hi, > > I just finished uploading these to the ftp site: > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/i1197-mono-small-1.mp3 (1.5mb) > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/i1197-mono-large-2.mp3 (15mb) > > I don't think they are using the NRSC mask somehow - these sound amazing! > > Off Air signal from a Harris MW-1A - approximately 10 miles from TX site. > > Sony ST-JX420A in Wideband mode! > > Enjoy, Great sound. So when does the station launch ? NO plans to be stereo then ? > > Matt From dougharding@mindspring.com Wed Jun 11 07:07:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32124 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 14:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 14:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 14:07:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2003 14:07:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:07:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FTA-100 Fanfare sounds great Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 797 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Last month I purchased two Fanfare FTA-100s from Fanfare. Marv told me that they had installed an update in them that lowered the noise floor over 6db. This was not the Omega update. Marv said he is going to include me in the Omega update when it happens later this year which he said "will blow the doors off every radio made as it evolves". --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > =snip= > > > with almost no signal - and this isn't with the Omega system yet > either! > > Marv can correct us on this, but I do believe in a previous post he > said this FTA-100 you're presently testing IS the one with Omega. > > All I can say is, "killer DX". ;) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oscar@globility.com Wed Jun 11 07:37:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35041 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 14:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 14:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 14:37:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2003 14:37:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:37:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FTA-100 Fanfare sounds great Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1124 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: an update in them that lowered the noise floor > over 6db. This was not the Omega update. Marv said he is going to > include me in the Omega update when it happens later this year which > he said "will blow the doors off every radio made as it evolves". > >but I do believe in a previous post he > > said this FTA-100 you're presently testing IS the one with Omega. To clarify, both Doug's and the unit tested by John had the first stage Omega treatment. The second stage will occur later on this year. While I'm not taken by the remix done either by the station or the ditributor, the Sinatra cut John spoke of just about knocked me of my chair. I did not expect stereo separation like that from any AM source. John will likely put up a snipit of it very soon, You be the judge. In any event, you now know what I mean by "throwaway AM". Offshore manufacturers have been leading the listening public, and then the broadcaster, down the garden path for years with their minimalist cr..pola. M.S. From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jun 11 08:27:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56543 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 15:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 15:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 15:27:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2003 15:27:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:27:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of C-QuAM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3094 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.112 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > Greetings, > I have been interested in radio for as long as I can remember, and > in AM stereo for as long as I've known about it. I can remember > the "myths" (all you need are 2 radios, one tuned below, one above), > et al. Now I know the "myths" were attempts to produce 'stereo' from > an ISB transmission, and any seperation noted using any other system > (Magnavox was popular in KC where I grew up) were largely in one's > audio imagination. Actually this isn't quite the myth you make it out to be, two radios will also work as a crude decoder for AM/FM systems, as the developer of one system suggested. The FM is detected by slope detection, and the polarity of the L-R signal in "matrixing" is controlled by which side of the carrier you tune to. Of course the separation depends on the "slope" vs. the FM deviation, but the separation of Kahn's two radio decoder also depends on the sharpness of the IF filters. > Most of us who are so technically inclined know that there are > different methods for generating (and receiving) an FM stereo signal > using the present Zenith system. > 1) L+R is transmitted in baseband, and L-R modulates a double > sideband carrier supressed subcarrier(?) at 2X the 19KC pilot. > 2) L and R channels are switched back and forth, one to the other > at the subcarrier rate. Actually method #2 isn't quite that simple, you left out two crucial steps in the process. > More on the subject of the forum, I have been working on an > alternate method for generating the QuAM signal required in the C- > QuAM system. While space doesn't permit me to outline the details > for what I've been working on, let me just say that there's really > nothing new under the AM sun. There is plenty of space here, I'm sure many in the group would be interested in hearing more about your "alternate method for generating the QuAM signal required in the C- QuAM system." At the very least why don't you give us some idea of the advantages and disadvantages of your alternate method, and how it compares with the other "alternate methods"? > Aside to Amy, it is possible to have a C-QuAM receiver that glows > in the dark. I don't think Amy, or anyone else doubted that, have you built one? > Remember, the 7360 makes a terrific balanced modulator, > and there were many other fine tubes that were used for chroma > demods. The 6AR8 will do a similar job, but there are other ways to build a balanced modulator, which may be better suited to a C-Quam radio that "glows in the dark." One of the problems with the 7360 is that I can't see a simple way to get a control signal out of it for the VCO in the PLL, other balanced modulator circuits seem to work out better in this respect. Have you figured out a clever way of generating a control voltage for the VCO using a 7360? > That leaves the subject of a "gain modulator". This I leave > to you. A pretty good job of decoding can be done without even using a "gain modulator". John From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jun 11 08:33:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72778 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 15:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 15:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 15:33:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2003 15:33:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:33:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FTA-100 Fanfare sounds great Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030611034711.91985.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1364 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.112 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > Using just the Radio Shack Loop Antenna (which also cuts the > bandwidth by just a hair) I made the recording a good 80 miles+ > (by air) from their transmitter. I would think a "Loop Antenna" would cut the bandwidth of the FT-100 by more than "just a hair". I assume the reason the bandwidth was cut by just a hair, was that the Radio Shack Loop Antenna was being heavily loaded by the input circuit of the FTA-100, which would reduce its "Q", increasing the bandwidth? Has anyone smashed a Radio Shack Loop Antenna to see what is inside, specifically how many turns in the main loop, and how many turns in the coupling loop. I have a "SAT", which the manufacturer told me has 22 turns in the main loop, and two turns in the coupling loop. I found that a single turn coupling loop taped to the back of the "SAT" gave better performance, greater sensitivity, and greater selectivity, than the built in coupling loop when used to connect directly to the input terminals of a radio. I believe the coupling loop in the "SAT" was not intended for connection to a radio receiver, but was actually intended for connection to a long wire antenna, which the "SAT" would then inductively couple to a radio without facilities for connecting an external antenna. John From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 10:04:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79499 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 17:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 17:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 17:04:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2003 17:01:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:01:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: radios with good AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 602 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Would that lennox be like this one? (I'm not planning on bidding > > though - it's more than $5) > > Yup, that's exactly it... but don't even think about paying $10 + > shipping for one, when you can get one for $5 at Wal-Mart! I picked one up the other day and it's really nice. :) I'm able to hear stations I couldn't hear on other radios, and it has good audio quality to boot. :) Now I can listen to the Dodgers games on KFWB 980 Los Angeles (listening from El Cajon, CA). I couldn't hear 980 with other radios. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 10:13:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 469 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 17:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 17:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 17:13:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2003 17:05:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:05:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: radios with good AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 524 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Speaking of good AM, what would be some radios with excellent selectivity? I live about 7 miles from a 50,000-watt daytimer on 1170, and on most radios I have I hear it several channels up the dial, up to the mid 1200s or higher. What would be a good radio (on a tight budget, for example akin to that $5 Lennox radio) that has good audio bandwidth, and has 1170 nearly disappearing by the time you tune up to 1190 or 1200? (the Lennox, although it's a good radio, still has 1170 audible up past another station on 1210) From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 10:35:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97181 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 17:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 17:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 17:35:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2003 17:35:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:35:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of C-QuAM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1811 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.84 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > wrote: > > Greetings, > > I have been interested in radio for as long as I can remember, and > > in AM stereo for as long as I've known about it. I can remember > > the "myths" (all you need are 2 radios, one tuned below, one above), > > et al. Now I know the "myths" were attempts to produce 'stereo' from > > an ISB transmission, and any seperation noted using any other system > > (Magnavox was popular in KC where I grew up) were largely in one's > > audio imagination. > > Actually this isn't quite the myth you make it out to be, two radios > will also work as a crude decoder for AM/FM systems, as the developer > of one system suggested. The FM is detected by slope detection, and > the polarity of the L-R signal in "matrixing" is controlled by which > side of the carrier you tune to. Of course the separation depends on > the "slope" vs. the FM deviation, but the separation of Kahn's two > radio decoder also depends on the sharpness of the IF filters. This happens to be the Westinghouse system, relevant patents being #s 3,069,679, 3,076,057, 3,087,995, 3,099,714, and 3,103,555. TIFF scans can be obtained from the US Patent & Trademark Office's archives via http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm I plan to make DJVU archives of these and other AMS patents in the near future, but for the time being, I'm putting them together as GIF sets. (Viewers for DJVU files, which are like PDF files, only smaller, may be found here: Windows, Mac (9/X), and Pocket PC versions here: http://www.lizardtech.com/download/?f=0&d=1 UNIX/Linux & variants, may be found here: http://djvu.sourceforge.net/ ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Jun 11 11:43:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72655 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 18:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 18:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 18:43:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2003 18:43:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:43:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo in New Zealand used another standard ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 343 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.59.210 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan > NZ uses another standard for am stereo which was not selected in australia > and the rest of the world as the default standard. We all went on to use > motorola's C-quam system while NZ and a select few other countries chose > kahn? i believe Is this true ? How long did ams last in NZ and what stations tried it how long etc ? (Ian ?) From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 14:11:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43510 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 21:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2003 21:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 21:10:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20030611211056.45153.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.148] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:10:56 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in New Zealand used another standard ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus i think we were Harris here on Radio I 1332AM but that went in 1990 when it went to 98.2 FM Stereo-it is now one of a clone networked owned by TRN from Auckland. I think Radio Pacific when it was on 1593AM was am stereo for a short time but never heard that one. Currently we have no AMS till I buy one of Chris Cuff's Transmitters:-) Michael --- Dave wrote: > > NZ uses another standard for am stereo which was > not selected in > australia > > and the rest of the world as the default standard. > We all went on > to use > > motorola's C-quam system while NZ and a select few > other countries > chose > > kahn? i believe > > Is this true ? How long did ams last in NZ and what > stations tried it > how long etc ? (Ian ?) > > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 17:50:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4042 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 00:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 00:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 00:50:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2003 00:50:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:50:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC has "platform motion"! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 772 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The following article refers to IBOC as having "swirling or phasing sounds as well as platform-motion effects associated with Motorola AM stereo skywave reception". It also states that "most of the software tricks employed to fix this problem involve hiding the artifacts rather than eliminating them." You can read the entire article at: http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/guywire/gw-06-10-03.shtml I say, at this point, trying to squeeze any kind of hi-fi audio out of IBOC is like putting lipstick on a pig. Either way, the end result still ain't pretty. Now, more than ever, is the time for alternative systems with proven performance -- such as the Fanfare/Omega tuner -- to lead the way towards high-quality AM and FM radio for the 21st century. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 19:34:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61082 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 02:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 02:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 02:34:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2003 02:34:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 02:34:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC has "platform motion"! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 510 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.84 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > Now, more than ever, is the time for alternative systems with proven > performance -- such as the Fanfare/Omega tuner -- to lead the way > towards high-quality AM and FM radio for the 21st century. I certainly would -love- to have a LW/MW/SW radio outfitted with the Omega technology....if I could afford it, somehow. Don't know how it would handle multiple modes or forced-stereo reception, though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jun 11 20:15:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 210 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 03:15:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 03:15:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 03:15:20 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-100.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.100]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5C3FFoG019209 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:15:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00c201c33090$df74bf20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Making radio history Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:15:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude While there haven't been many, a few have actually made their part 15 stations profitable. Keep us posted and let us know what you're doing and if you gain any sort of a following. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > I jus twanted to let you all know.....when I do get on the air, I > will be making radio history, as MY statiuon wil lthe the First and > Only AM Stereo Station, EVER(to my knowledge..and I'm only 19)...in > New Loncdon County, Connecticut and Southern Rhode Island. We have or > have had abou6 6 AM Stations and I don't think any of them were ever > stereo. > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jun 11 20:22:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56464 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 03:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 03:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 03:22:35 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-100.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.100]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5C3MUoG021565 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:22:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00cf01c33091$e2a410a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Alternate methods of C-QuAM Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:22:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude This has been done since the late 60s, early 70s. RCA used a Moseley design in their first solid state FM stereo generator which used this technique, thanks to ICs becoming more common. AFAIK the only time FM stereo was done with L-R modulating the DSB subcarrier was in the vacuum tube and early solid state era. RCA did have a solid state FMS gen (the BTS-1) which came out before the much simpler tube type BTS-1A, but most were overwhelmingly hollow state. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "amymousie" > > 2) L and R channels are switched back and forth, one to the other > at > > the subcarrier rate. > > Never heard of this technique, and by the sound of the description, I > wouldn't think it would work with analog radio. (It's how digital > works, though- Sequential alternation between channel samples.) From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jun 11 20:26:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84907 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 03:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 03:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 03:26:39 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-100.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.100]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5C3QYoG022808 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:26:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00e601c33092$73eee3a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Attitudes On newsgroups Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:26:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Touche'! You said it better than I ever could. I remember the oldies show that my friend the late Ugly Del Roberts used to do, and it was GREAT radio- almost always something interesting to say, though he did tend to play a few songs a bit too much. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" I used to hear this dunderheaded > viewpoint ad-nauseum (commercial radio is bad, playlists are bad, charts > are bad, smooth-talking DJs are bad, making money is bad, capitalism is > bad...you name it, it's bad). I think that these airchecks from years > gone by prove the anti-commercial people wrong. I am all for > capitalism; I just don't agree with the business model under which Clear > Channel, et al. operate. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 22:09:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33727 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 05:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 05:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 05:09:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2003 05:09:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 05:09:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Omega...and shortwave? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 167 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.84 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Am I the only one who thinks the Omega technologies being applied to Marv's FTA-100 would make an excellent enhancement to shortwave listening? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Thu Jun 12 01:03:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52970 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 08:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 08:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 08:03:22 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5C83Kh17610 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:03:20 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:03:20 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in New Zealand used another standard ? In-Reply-To: <20030611211056.45153.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > > Is this true ? How long did ams last in NZ and what > > stations tried it how long etc ? (Ian ?) Dave - I think Michael's answered this on aus.radio.broadcast. It seems NZ adopted AMS in a minor way in the 80s. Radio i in Aukland was the flagship station. But the trouble was the government very soon thereafter deregulated their radio industry - much worse than the FCC's 1996 and current actions. Naturally the AM stations clamored to get on the FM band (as did Radio i) which left seemingly only talk sport religeous and community stations on the AM band. It seems the result of this stupidity is that pretty much all profitable stations are owned by just three networks - none of which I believe is locally owned. One is owned by CanWest - which is also big in TV and controls the Oz 10 Network - even though this is supposed to be against our rules. [Michael or Ben - please explain.] It appears the result is that they've got plenty of quantity and not much quality. There was some discussion on the Oz ng about this recently and many living in regional areas in Oz would like us to adopt the Kiwi model. For example those in our Capital - Canberra (Prince Charles described it as a city without a soul and he's not wrong) - probably only receive about 10 local stations - whereas if it was in NZ they'd get well over 20. And let's face it - most people don't seem to care who owns their favourite stations - as long as they like what they hear. I don't like the owners of Magic 693 but it doesn't stop it being my favourite station and I think it's probably one of the most professionally and well run stations in the world. Excuse my waffle Dave ... Now what was the question again??? Ian Melbourne From dav259@csiro.au Thu Jun 12 02:09:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71582 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 09:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 09:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 09:09:30 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5C99Sh20628 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:09:28 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:09:28 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: A really great radio station! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 I don't understand the technical aspects of this reply - but I do know that Magic 693 is the best AM stereo station in the southern hemisphere! What other station managers (Gary doesn't do any on-air shifts) would be still working at 6:40 pm? And have the courtesy of replying to a loyal listener? We are very lucky in Melbourne! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:39:17 +1000 From: Gary Hoffman To: dav259@csiro.au Subject: RE: Stereo Magic G'day Ian, You picked an interesting day to check out our "sound". We altered quite dramatically a few weeks ago when we discovered our Optimod processor wasn't working properly - giving us quite a one-dimensional and thin sound. We dumped the Optimod and put two "Dominator" processors across the line (one here and one at the transmitter) as a temporary measure, and I have been quite happy with the sound which has been much more dynamic. It's only failing was a slight loss of impact in the mid (voice) range. Our techs have been playing with a new processor which they took to the transmitter this afternoon to install. They had to switch to the stand-by (mono) transmitter while this happened, which is I guess when you started listening. After the installation they were supposed to call me to do some sound tests, but as I haven't heard from them I've assumed all didn't go well and we are back on the Dominators. Our sound is much much better than it was a few weeks ago, but we are quietly confident of making it even better, so keep listening. Regards, Gary Hoffman -----Original Message----- From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 18:13 To: Gary Hoffman Subject: Stereo Magic Hi Gary After a not too good day at work I was really depressed coming home as I couldn't get my fix of my favourite tracks in stereo. Then when I got home I could see your stereo pilot light had gone out. And I hoped that it had something to do with the weather. Yet within 20 minutes the pilot light lit up and you're sounding better than ever. Thanks so much Gary for running such a great professional radio station. You have a fantastic team and not even one weak link. I love your "Sixties at Seven" show and am glad you still have "Your Hit Parade". Not too many listeners would write to compliment you but I'm sure us Magic listeners are a very happy bunch. Keep up the good work! Ian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Davidson _--_|\ tel (H) 03 9534 8786 41 Smith Street / \ tel (W) 03 9545 8717 St. Kilda Beach Vic 3182 \_.--.*/ mobile: 0421 500 720 Australia v ian.davidson@csiro.au ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 02:27:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51210 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 09:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 09:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 09:27:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2003 09:27:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:27:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A really great radio station! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 853 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > I don't understand the technical aspects of this reply - but I do know > that Magic 693 is the best AM stereo station in the southern hemisphere! > > What other station managers (Gary doesn't do any on-air shifts) would be > still working at 6:40 pm? And have the courtesy of replying to a loyal > listener? > > We are very lucky in Melbourne! They obviously recognize the value of having earned a loyal listener, something that we Americans once took pride in, but now is totally, unrelentingly, unrepentatively lacking by today's broadcasters on this side of the planet, which I feel we Americans should take great shame for ever letting this come to this. :( No-one wants to earn loyalty and respect anymore- They expect it handed to them. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 02:34:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34856 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 09:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 09:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41214.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 09:34:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20030612093436.39321.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.148] by web41214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 02:34:36 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 02:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in New Zealand used another standard ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus We have 3 major networks -Canwest-owns the radio works,TRN partly owned by the clear network and some other companies overseas and finally Rhema which is religious and owned by UCB. Generally boring-Even Radio Hauraki (which isnt too bad-classic rock) is owned by the radio network and networked was the "Pirate station" to break the state monopoly in 1966. bTW In Dunedin pop 110,000 Hauraki is on AM and on our radio yahoo group someones saying why cant it be FM Stereo instead its AM but they'll never use ams! Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Jun 12 05:32:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 91501 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 12:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 12:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 12:32:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2003 12:32:50 -0000 Date: 12 Jun 2003 12:32:49 -0000 Message-ID: <1055421169.10948.99141.w37@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Sinatra_ShortCFCO.mp3 Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : Brief audio clip of "That's Life" from Frank Sinatra. Excellent AM Stereo from Fanfare FTA-100 tuner. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Sinatra_ShortCFCO.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, toledohamradio From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 05:36:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98537 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 12:36:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 12:36:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 12:36:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2003 12:36:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:36:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Does IBOC/IBAC/ HD Radio Sound this Good? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 371 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "toledohamradio" X-Originating-IP: 209.45.202.244 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Keeping in mind that it's an MP3 copy of the original audio file, but I've yet to hear any IBOC / HD Radio sound that good on AM as the file that I just uploaded of Frank Sinatra. Keep in mind I'm well over an hour away from CFCO, using just a Radio Shack AM loop. Whaddaya think, is the FTA-100 a killer tuner, or what? Long live analog artifact-free AM stereo! From oscar@globility.com Thu Jun 12 06:34:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17634 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 13:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 13:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 13:34:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2003 13:34:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:34:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Omega...and shortwave? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2664 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.236 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > Am I the only one who thinks the Omega technologies being applied to > Marv's FTA-100 would make an excellent enhancement to shortwave > listening? :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I dunno, Amy. The Omega technology in its present form is capable of providing considerably better reception for frequencies from 50Hz through 1.2GHz. In the latest issue of RW Online, Guy Wire referred to HD-Radio as "radio's most important technological innovation in more than 50 years." That would have been FM. Perhap the only problem that exists really is that HD-radio must do an almost total makeover of the commercial radio broadcast spectrum in order to 'fit itself in'. And from that point on, what you got is what you got. I still maintain, one of the saddest things to happen to the science of radio broadcast transmission is the lack of cooperation between those designing transmission methods and those designing receivers. Incidentally, the fault doe not lie completely with one or the other. FMX was a pretty good example of marketing a receiver technology before they were sure the transmission system would support it. However, in more instances it seems that, when a new transmission method is born, the receiver manufacturer is faced with the challenge of building the ultimate receiver. Then the $5. a copy junk artists get involved and radio, as art form, ends up in the dumper. However, that in itself is not the problem. It's like "Tell a lie enough times and, with no rebuttal, it becomes the truth." AM radio receivers have been so bad over the years, the radio stations listening to them have been left to think that's how good(bad) they sound. Why wouldn't they gravitate to IBOC? It levels the playing field, doesn't it? With HD radio they'd sound good on every radio .... right? Wrong!! What about the $5. a copy artists? Again, it's not a collaberative effort between transmision method and receiver design. It is a set of receiver chips commissioned by the transmission mogul that tell the receiver manufacturer who's boss. And it ain't him. If you are wondering why we're still in this forum, think of John P's words when he spoke of the sound of AM's WJR being so good it brought tears to his eyes because no one else could hear it. But that's the problem. IMO, HD-radio, in its present form, is like using a paint,with no aggregate in it, to paint a busy highway . It may look good, but what are you going to do when it rains? Besides, who would paint a highway anyway? ;-)) Guess my 2 cents worth just made it to a nickel. MS From bharrisonb@yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 07:09:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bharrisonb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27959 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 14:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 14:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 14:09:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2003 14:09:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:09:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: In need of AM Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 566 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bharrisonb" X-Originating-IP: 64.215.218.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69885139 X-Yahoo-Profile: bharrisonb This morning I was listening to WRKO - Boston, a non-AM stereo broadcaster, on a non-C-QUAM radio. There was a commercial for (I think) the Mass. Travel Indusrty. Unfortunately, the tape must have been stereo (and produced for FM stereo stations) because the voice over was greatly attenuated, and the music background was strong. Looks like their mix from a stereo input source to a mono output was severely challenged (perhaps only taking a left or right feed, rather than a mix). If only they were using C-QUAM, the ad would have been fine ! - Bob ... From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jun 12 07:33:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82854 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 14:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 14:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 14:33:33 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-226.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.226]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5CEXSoG002556 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:33:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002301c330ef$9ea77f00$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} In need of AM Stereo Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:33:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not necessarily- the channels could be out of phase. Nowadays most studio equipment is stereo, and it pays to keep everything stereo without summing to mono except right before the audio processing. I spent several days getting the audio chains stereo on my stations with the excuse that if Salem ever wants to go IBOC we'd be ready on the audio chain. Pretty much all of the other engineers in our chain will insist on it with any new studio project. Of course the real reason is if I can scrounge up enough AMS equipment I can surreptitiously add it. My biggest roadblock is getting card 10 for my 9100B processors. At almost $2K apiece I'll have to hope I find some that aren't being used. If I can find just one, the co-located transmitter would be stereo within a day. Plus two of my stations are on a dual mono T-1 STL. That would be expensive to change over. Anyone got two sets of 10kHz Catlink cards they'd like to trade for a set of 15k cards? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "bharrisonb" > This morning I was listening to WRKO - Boston, a non-AM stereo > broadcaster, on a non-C-QUAM radio. There was a commercial for (I > think) the Mass. Travel Indusrty. Unfortunately, the tape must have > been stereo (and produced for FM stereo stations) because the voice > over was greatly attenuated, and the music background was strong. > Looks like their mix from a stereo input source to a mono output was > severely challenged (perhaps only taking a left or right feed, rather > than a mix). > > If only they were using C-QUAM, the ad would have been fine ! From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jun 12 08:07:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2900 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 15:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 15:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 15:07:12 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:07:12 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01c330f4$4da8d6d0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Does IBOC/IBAC/ HD Radio Sound this Good? Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:07:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John LOVE IT!!! MAN this sounds good! The separation is beautiful! Kudos to Marv at Fanfare for creating such a great receiver! I'm sure there's some credit due to CFCO's engineering department as well. It has to sound good on BOTH ends of the signal to sound good :) I am really impressed how clean it is with you being quite a distance away. That's like me trying to get an aircheck of a Salt Lake city station from where I'm at. Even with a loop antenna, they don't come in THAT clear. Not even KSL at 50kw. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:36 AM Subject: {AMSF} Does IBOC/IBAC/ HD Radio Sound this Good? Keeping in mind that it's an MP3 copy of the original audio file, but I've yet to hear any IBOC / HD Radio sound that good on AM as the file that I just uploaded of Frank Sinatra. Keep in mind I'm well over an hour away from CFCO, using just a Radio Shack AM loop. Whaddaya think, is the FTA-100 a killer tuner, or what? Long live analog artifact-free AM stereo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jun 12 08:56:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69149 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 15:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 15:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 15:56:40 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-226.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.226]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5CFuYoG007871 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:56:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003501c330fb$3b2dfce0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <000f01c330f4$4da8d6d0$5401010a@AM> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Does IBOC/IBAC/ HD Radio Sound this Good? Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:56:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude John, Have you shared these audio samples with the stations you recorded? I'd bet they'd be happier than a pig in a mud puddle to hear them. Finally, proof positive that AM CAN sound good. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" > John > LOVE IT!!! > MAN this sounds good! The separation is beautiful! > Kudos to Marv at Fanfare for creating such a great receiver! I'm sure there's some credit due to CFCO's engineering department as well. It has to sound good on BOTH ends of the signal to sound good :) From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 10:28:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72684 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 17:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 17:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 17:28:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2003 17:28:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:28:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Omega...and shortwave? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6652 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > Am I the only one who thinks the Omega technologies being applied > to > > Marv's FTA-100 would make an excellent enhancement to shortwave > > listening? :) > > I dunno, Amy. The Omega technology in its present form is capable of > providing considerably better reception for frequencies from 50Hz > through 1.2GHz. I could certaqinly imaging this, based on the AMS reception examples: FM and TV broadcast fringe reception: Video/audio noise greatly reduced, and reception areas greatly expanded, stereo reception near equal to mono reception, SCA coverage far more usable.... It seems to greatly reduce platform motion and listenability for the under-30 (MHz) listeners, reducing or greatly negating many complaints SW listeners have had over the years.. (I don't think it would eliminate the jammers, though, sorry. :) ) Hell, it would (I hope!) breathe new life to SW reception, and it's more stable than DRM reception! Speaking of, who needs IBOC/DRM/HDTV reception, anyway? :) But even for digital receivers, it would still greatly improve reception and stability. Even those who complain about Eureka DAB reception would get far better coverage with these enhancements! If just these preliminary enhancements to a single AM tuner are any indication, EVERYBODY could benefit, analog, digital, even the custom esoteric listener. Everyone wins with Omega. :) (And I give Omega & Fanfare permission to use any of that as they wish. :) ) > In the latest issue of RW Online, Guy Wire referred to HD-Radio > as "radio's most important technological innovation in more than 50 > years." That would have been FM. Perhap the only problem that exists > really is that HD-radio must do an almost total makeover of the > commercial radio broadcast spectrum in order to 'fit itself in'. And > from that point on, what you got is what you got. FM broadcasting, at least in mono, has been around since the late 1930s, but yes, stereo for FM....and AM, don't forget!....came about around 50 years ago, and did change (at least for FM, anyway) the dynamics of listening, although stereo FM reception wouldn't be the norm with consumers until the mid-late 1970s. (The same problem with color TV- In both cases, it took 15-25 years to catch on. AM stereo WAS poised for success, but since the industry wanted instant successes, they weren't going to wait as long as stereo FM and color TV had to catch on, hence AM stereo was decried as a "spectacular failure"- Which it never really was! AMS receivers still account for only 10-15 percent of all AM receivers, but compare this to MTS stereo TV audio- There's only a 15% saturation -there-, and it's called a success!) > I still maintain, one of the saddest things to happen to the science > of radio broadcast transmission is the lack of cooperation between > those designing transmission methods and those designing receivers. > Incidentally, the fault doe not lie completely with one or the other. It's a number a factors, but one glaring one is very much responsible: Transistor radios. No, I have nothing against solid- state, and I personally thing transistors are as good as tubes, but when the el-cheapo $5 transistor knockoffs came in from Japan in the late 1950s/early 1960s, flooding the market, they did 2 things: lowered the bottom line (Oooh, look- MONEY! $$$$), and gave the impression everyone was OK with bad audio, since everyone had transistor radios. That did it- Companies built on the cheap to compete, and radio stations assumed that's all they would be heard on, so, why bother with quality? Well, look where we are now! It's VERY difficult now for radiomakers to sell quality products because they're not cheap enough, and it's left to esoteric makers (like Marv) who do cater to the high-end crowd. That's why AM stereo is so difficult to sell- There's already enough perception that you can't get quality on AM (I seem to recall something called "Apex", that was from before my time, hmmm....), and that AMS radios are too expenbsive to make- Compared to the $5-$20 marhet, US$. $50 is not good enough. > FMX was a pretty good example of marketing a receiver technology > before they were sure the transmission system would support it. > However, in more instances it seems that, when a new transmission > method is born, the receiver manufacturer is faced with the challenge > of building the ultimate receiver. Then the $5. a copy junk artists > get involved and radio, as art form, ends up in the dumper. As seen since the pocket transister radio era.... > However, that in itself is not the problem. It's like "Tell a lie > enough times and, with no rebuttal, it becomes the truth." AM radio > receivers have been so bad over the years, the radio stations > listening to them have been left to think that's how good(bad) they > sound. Why wouldn't they gravitate to IBOC? It levels the playing > field, doesn't it? With HD radio they'd sound good on every > radio .... right? Wrong!! What about the $5. a copy artists? Those cheap transister radios started the lie, now everyone thinks that's the truth. We AMSers know the truth, and it ain't as bad as they think. And I won't get into the "lie is truth" trick now used in politics- This ain't the place for that. :) > Again, it's not a collaberative effort between transmision method and > receiver design. It is a set of receiver chips commissioned by the > transmission mogul that tell the receiver manufacturer who's boss. > And it ain't him. > > If you are wondering why we're still in this forum, think of John P's > words when he spoke of the sound of AM's WJR being so good it brought > tears to his eyes because no one else could hear it. But that's the > problem. IMO, HD-radio, in its present form, is like using a > paint,with no aggregate in it, to paint a busy highway . It may look > good, but what are you going to do when it rains? Besides, who would > paint a highway anyway? ;-)) Sad to know only a handful really know the true value of AM stereo, even of those who do have AMS radios- almost all in cars, they wouldn't kn ow any better or even notice the "stereo" indicator flashing ion when they listen on the AM dial. It's all noise to them, keeping them sane while waiting in a traffic jam. > Guess my 2 cents worth just made it to a nickel. I'll raise your Cdn$.05 to US$.05. :) There, more value for your nickel. ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 10:36:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25957 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 17:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 17:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 17:36:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2003 17:36:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:36:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Omega...and shortwave? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 495 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > (I seem to recall something called "Apex" "Apex" was the name for high-frequency, high-fidelity AM radio in the '20s and '30s. At first, frequencies ranging anywhere from 20 to 500+ MHz were used, but eventually they settled onto the 40-46 MHz band. But this was simultaneous with the development of FM, so the "Apex" band gradually converted into the Armstrong FM band in the late '30s. I believe the smaller educational stations were the last to still be using AM on the band. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Jun 12 11:25:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97432 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 18:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 18:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 18:25:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2003 18:25:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:25:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A really great radio station! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 395 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.60.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > I don't understand the technical aspects of this reply - but I do know > that Magic 693 is the best AM stereo station in the southern hemisphere! > Better than 3mp then Ian ?! Looking forward to a nice MD of Magic some year ;-) I trust you will be campaigning for the new Brissy station on 1197 to use c-quam ? From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Jun 12 12:24:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65265 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 19:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 19:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 19:23:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2003 19:23:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:23:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Alternate methods of C-QuAM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00cf01c33091$e2a410a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1745 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > This has been done since the late 60s, early 70s. RCA used a > Moseley design in their first solid state FM stereo generator which > used this technique, thanks to ICs becoming more common. Didn't the Collins FM stereo generator use this technique? I assume the Collins dates from prior to the late 60s? > AFAIK the only time FM stereo was done > with L-R modulating the DSB subcarrier was in the vacuum tube and > early solid state era. I always assumed that the original Orban FM Optimod used the "L-R" technique, but that is an assumption, and could easily be completely wrong. If my assumption is wrong, then the original Optimod must use technique #3, as technique #2 certainly doesn't fit. > RCA did have a solid state FMS gen (the BTS-1) which came > out before the much simpler tube type BTS-1A, but most were > overwhelmingly hollow state. Did RCA actually deliver any BTS-1s to paying customers? The BTS-1 may be one of the exceptions that proves the rule, but I had always understood that RCA production model numbers had a letter suffix. Hence the "BTS-1" would be a pre production design, while the "BTS-1A" would be the first version of RCA's production FM stereo generator. It would be interesting to know if there were actually any BTS-1s installed at customer sites after the FCC approved commercial FM stereo broadcasting? From what little I have been able to divine about the BTS-1, I would have to question whether it would have been able to meet the FCC technical standards for FM stereo. If anyone is wondering what the BTS-1A was, you can learn a little about it at this URL: http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/BTS-1A.html John From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 12:47:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38854 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 19:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 19:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 19:47:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2003 19:47:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:47:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Omega...and shortwave? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1145 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > (I seem to recall something called "Apex" > > > "Apex" was the name for high-frequency, high-fidelity AM radio in the > '20s and '30s. At first, frequencies ranging anywhere from 20 to 500+ > MHz were used, but eventually they settled onto the 40-46 MHz band. > But this was simultaneous with the development of FM, so the "Apex" > band gradually converted into the Armstrong FM band in the late '30s. > I believe the smaller educational stations were the last to still be > using AM on the band. More accurately, 1500-1600, the 26MHz band (now presently used for auxillary studio links, boith AM and NBFM), the early FM band between 40-45MHz, and scattered channels up to 500MHz. From message 8017 in this group, of Feb. 12, I posted these links: > Taken from: > http://members.aol.com/jeff560/jeff.html > > these show the distribution of Apex AM and FM stations between 1939- > 1942: > http://members.aol.com/jeff560/1939apex.html > http://members.aol.com/jeff570/1940fm.html > http://members.aol.com/jeff1070/1942fmra.html Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jun 12 16:22:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66142 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 23:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2003 23:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 23:22:23 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-225.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.225]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5CNLwoG010190 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:22:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001501c33139$78f7aba0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Alternate methods of C-QuAM Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:22:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There must have been a few- I've got one in my collection. Don't know what station it came out of; got mine from Mike Dorrough. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "bta_50g" > It would be interesting to know if there were actually any BTS-1s > installed at customer sites after the FCC approved commercial FM > stereo broadcasting? From what little I have been able to divine > about the BTS-1, I would have to question whether it would have been > able to meet the FCC technical standards for FM stereo. From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Jun 12 17:01:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53428 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2003 00:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2003 00:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (207.169.189.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2003 00:01:25 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy.eds.com [192.85.216.78]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h5D01M521467; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:01:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5D01F204320; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:01:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5D018O04234; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:01:09 +1000 (EST) Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:01:08 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F46FFF@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Cc: "'michaelj@vcn.com'" Subject: Posting of 1197 Aircheck to aus.radio.broadcast Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:01:06 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day MJR, Is it OK if post a link to the 1197 aircheck on aus.radio.broadcast ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/i1197-mono-large-2.mp3 (15mb) I want give some kudos to the engineer involved and get the word out that AM can be hi-fi! All we need now is an AMS exciter! Cheers, Matt From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Jun 12 17:33:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51161 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2003 00:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2003 00:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2003 00:33:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2003 00:33:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:33:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Alternate methods of C-QuAM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c33139$78f7aba0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1387 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.119 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > There must have been a few- I've got one in my collection. Don't > know what station it came out of; got mine from Mike Dorrough. Neat, I have long wondered if there were any of those around. Do you know any details of its design and operation? Do you have the Instruction Manual, or schematic for it? Does it look like the pictures at the following URLs, or is it yet another variation? http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/stuff/First_BTS-1.jpg http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/stuff/howstereoworks.jpg The BTS-1 in the pictures has only a single pre emphasis network, so I assume it only processed the "L-R" signal and the 38 kHz sub carrier output was connected to the "SCA" sub carrier input on the exciter, unlike the BTS-1A which provided a composite output. If this is true, an external matrix would have been needed as an accessory, as well as some means compensating for the differing time delays through the BTS- 1 sub carrier generator, and the main channel input to the exciter. If your BTS-1 looks like these pictures, any answers you can provide to these mysteries would be greatly appreciated. If your BTS-1 doesn't look like this, how is it different? Is it totally different, or just slightly different, like maybe including a matrix generate the "L+R" and "L-R" audio signals? John From dav259@csiro.au Thu Jun 12 18:05:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51069 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2003 01:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2003 01:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2003 01:05:48 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5D15kh05802 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:05:46 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:05:46 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: FCC Ruling Brings Rivals Together Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 It appears Lott's wife had a good look at this and has turned into a pillar of salt ... :) [from another list] California Senator Barbara Boxer and Mississippi's Trent Lott are rarely on the same side of an issue. But when the FCC voted to ease media ownership restrictions last week, a bipartisan jolt brought together the liberal Boxer, the conservative Lott and scores of other lawmakers positioned somewhere in between. "In all the years I've been here, I've not seen such deeply held feelings across ideologies," Boxer said. The Senate is poised to possibly overturn some of the new rules. The congressional debate also speaks to the muscle of local broadcasters. According to the Center For Responsive Politics, the NAB has given about $1 million to lawmakers during each of the last two elections, with about 60% going to Republicans. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 18:22:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67418 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2003 01:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2003 01:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2003 01:22:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2003 01:22:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:21:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Omega...and shortwave? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1774 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > More accurately, 1500-1600, the 26MHz band (now presently used for > auxillary studio links, boith AM and NBFM), the early FM band > between 40-45MHz, and scattered channels up to 500MHz. Speaking of early high-frequency AM, FM, and TV broadcasting, I used to have a Philco AM/shortwave radio, circa 1940-1941, which had this label on the back: "Built to receive television sound, the Wireless Way -- when used with Philco Television Picture Receiver, without wires, plug in, or connections of any kind." I wonder if this meant that the planned pre-WWII Philco TV sets wouldn't have any built-in sound capability, hence the term "Television *Picture* Receiver"? I would imagine the TV receiver would have its audio IF at a frequency within the AM band, and then any regular AM radio positioned nearby and tuned to that frequency would be able to receive the AM sound transmitted by the TV station you were watching. This would have actually been a win-win situation for Philco, had this system prospered, because this essentially prevented radios from becoming obsolete, as it was featured TV would do. Another broadcasting oddity worth of study is the French 819-line TV system that they used from after WWII until the mid-'80s. Even by today's standards, that was a remarkably high-resolution picture, although it remained a black & white system until the end, since as the rest of Europe was standardizing on the 625-line PAL color TV system in the '60s, France invented their own variation of it called SECAM, which is still in use today. There were some attempts to add SECAM color to the 819-line system, just as the British did early experiments with NTSC color added to their own 405-line system, but nothing materialized from that. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 19:15:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6860 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2003 02:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2003 02:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2003 02:15:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2003 02:15:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:15:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Omega...and shortwave? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3725 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > More accurately, 1500-1600, the 26MHz band (now presently used for > > auxillary studio links, boith AM and NBFM), the early FM band > > between 40-45MHz, and scattered channels up to 500MHz. > > Speaking of early high-frequency AM, FM, and TV broadcasting, I used > to have a Philco AM/shortwave radio, circa 1940-1941, which had this > label on the back: > > "Built to receive television sound, the Wireless Way -- when used > with Philco Television Picture Receiver, without wires, plug in, or > connections of any kind." > > I wonder if this meant that the planned pre-WWII Philco TV sets > wouldn't have any built-in sound capability, hence the term > "Television *Picture* Receiver"? I would imagine the TV receiver > would have its audio IF at a frequency within the AM band, and then > any regular AM radio positioned nearby and tuned to that frequency > would be able to receive the AM sound transmitted by the TV station > you were watching. Only one broadcaster, owned by Westinghouse, was actually in the AM broadcast band in the 1950s. Others were in the 2MHz band. All of these were of the 30 (and greater) mechanical TV systems of the day. The higher-definition electronic TV systems were given berths in the same band as FM broadcasters- 42-50MHz. Here are the TV stations from 1930, 1931 and 1939: http://members.aol.com/jeff570/1930tv.html http://members.aol.com/jeff560/1931tv.html http://members.aol.com/jeff570/1939tv.html By 1942, they had already moved to the VHF TV bands we know, using 405 lines and later, 525 lines. > This would have actually been a win-win situation for Philco, had > this system prospered, because this essentially prevented radios from > becoming obsolete, as it was featured TV would do. All mechanical and low-definition electronic TV systems were indeed in the AM and shortwave bands from the late 1920s up until the final phaseout just as the war started. > Another broadcasting oddity worth of study is the French 819-line TV > system that they used from after WWII until the mid-'80s. Even by Early-mid 1990s, actually. France was the last of the world's nations to abandon pre-color and non-standard broadcasting systems (SECAM is considered standard, even with France's "inverted" luminance), even dropping the -7MHz AM mono audio in favor of NICAM digital audio, in use in most of the rest of Europe, now. > today's standards, that was a remarkably high-resolution picture, > although it remained a black & white system until the end, since as > the rest of Europe was standardizing on the 625-line PAL color TV > system in the '60s, France invented their own variation of it called > SECAM, which is still in use today. There were some attempts to add > SECAM color to the 819-line system, just as the British did early > experiments with NTSC color added to their own 405-line system, but > nothing materialized from that. Correct. The British went to the German PAL development after several years of experimentation with color schemes. Of note, you ARE correct that the UK did indeed use NTSC for a while, even on 625 lines, and did test broadcast of satellite relays (ie: the first trans-Atlantic broadcast via Telstar 1, which was in color) and the 1964 olympics relayed from Japan (first color broadcast of the Olympics in the world). PAL, of course, is based on NTSC, which the chroma phase (the basis of the NTSC color system) was reversed every alternating line. The result is that the phasing was constantly being properly aligned, and ended up with a far more stable color transmission system. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 23:48:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73690 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2003 06:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2003 06:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2003 06:48:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2003 06:48:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 06:48:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Omega...and shortwave? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 261 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > Only one broadcaster, owned by Westinghouse, was actually in the AM > broadcast band in the 1950s. Others were in the 2MHz band. All of Er, 1930s. Damn typos. :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 13 00:11:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64941 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2003 07:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2003 07:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2003 07:11:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2003 07:10:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:10:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Omega...and shortwave? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 914 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > France was the last of the world's nations to abandon pre-color and > non-standard broadcasting systems (SECAM is considered standard, > even with France's "inverted" luminance) As the old joke goes, SECAM = "Something Essentially Contrary to Accepted Methods". And it's true, too... the USSR and the Communist Bloc nations purposely adopted SECAM as their color TV standard, specifically because it wouldn't be compatible with Western Europe's PAL signals. And I suppose the same could be said about their long-time reliance on low-band 66-73 MHz FM, with its own "Polar Modulation" FM Stereo system as well. And if you think about it, IBOC is to DRM as SECAM is to PAL... in other words, IBOC relies on a proprietary, non-standard design (iBiquity's PAC audio codec), even when an alternative with superior performance and greater international support (DRM) is available and becoming successful. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Jun 13 10:23:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92178 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2003 17:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2003 17:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2003 17:23:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2003 17:23:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:23:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: PT-1 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2096 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking For those who are interested in wideband tube gear, there is a Heathkit PT-1 for sale on eBay - Item # 3029544682 I have a PT-1 and they are an excellant tuner. 1958 to 1962 vintage. AM wide is 6db or so down at 9000 Hz. 16 tubes FM is very sensitive and good sounding. The AM Stereo output is just to allow the old pre 1961 simulcast stereo [one channel on Am, the other on FM] technique. BTW, I have a schematic [Sam's photofact] so if someone gets one and needs a copy, I would certainly lend a hand. They often go cheap on eBay. My first, which I gave to one of my brothers [the other brother already had a PT-1] set me back $34US plus shipping. My second, the factory wired and tested Heath version, which is mint in box and was never used before I got it, cost me less than $12US!!! Shipping is a bit pricey, as they are fairly heavy - but it is not outrageous. For anyone wanted to dream up a glow in the dark AM Stereo tuner, this would be a great basis - you'd just then need to build a tube decoder. Otherwise, I'm confident it could be modified quite easily to work with Chris Cuff's decoder board, or left stock for a terrific mono system. I know I sound like a PT-1 salesman - but I just want every good working or easy to fix PT-1 to get a good home - sort of like kittens, with my apologies to Amy! Think of it as the poor person's substitute for a Fanfare! The first time I ever heard wide-band AM was in the 70s on a, you guessed it, PT-1. The PT-1 is not quite AMAX compatiable - as its rolloff between 6 khz and 9 khz is more modest than AMAX rigs, and it doesn't have any rolloff between 2 and 6 khz. I use a simple 10 band per side EQ to tame what is otherweise overly bright midrange - works well. If I were 11 years old, I'd be able to enjoy WQEW 1560 Radio Disney at night, as the PT-1 picks them up flawlessly here. But alas, I am not 11 years old. Phil R. [getting ready for some Dxing on my recently acquired Kenwood R- 1000, and some more good hi-fi listening on my PT-1, along with my other "Toys" in my basement! lol From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Jun 13 14:48:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67549 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2003 21:48:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2003 21:48:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2003 21:48:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2003 21:48:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:48:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: PT-1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1485 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.141 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: > > I know I sound like a PT-1 salesman - but I just want every good > working or easy to fix PT-1 to get a good home - sort of like > kittens, with my apologies to Amy! How about the AJ-30, are they worth saving? The AJ-30 is like a PT-1 with advanced styling, sort of like a fully grown cat. In addition to the mice, the AJ-30 will also take care of the rats. One thing I don't care for about the PT-1/AJ-30 is that they are built on those crummy 1950/60s style phenolic printed circuit boards. Much nicer are the AJ-20/AJ-21 AM only tuners which are built with point to point hand wiring, although the circuitry is somewhat simplified from that of the PT-1/AJ-30. The AJ-20/AJ-21 are essentially the legendary BC-1A AM tuner rendered with contemporary styling, a revised power supply, and an added bandwidth selector switch, to allow the option of a narrow IF bandwidth, in addition to the wide bandwidth of the original BC-1A. > The PT-1 is not quite AMAX compatiable - as its rolloff between 6 > khz and 9 khz is more modest than AMAX rigs, and it doesn't have any > rolloff between 2 and 6 khz. I use a simple 10 band per side EQ to > tame what is otherweise overly bright midrange - works well. Why not add a simple equalizer circuit to put it within AMAX specs? Probably a simple 75 usec de emphasis network, with shelving added above 6 kHz, would come pretty close. John From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Jun 13 15:43:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5384 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2003 22:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2003 22:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2003 22:43:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2003 22:43:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:43:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Omega...and shortwave? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1747 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > PAL, of course, is based on NTSC, which the chroma phase (the basis > of the NTSC color system) was reversed every alternating line. The > result is that the phasing was constantly being properly aligned, and > ended up with a far more stable color transmission system. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ PAL alternated the R-Y component of the Chroma and not The B-Y. This had the effect of every other line of color being off phase by an equal amount in opposite directions if the pahse was not properly alligned. The effect was that the eye blended the difference together to get the right color if the phase deviation wasn't too bad. This was really necessary with the older tube sets as they didn't have the phase accuracy that the IC chips do. With PAL using a delay line of one horiz line the QuAM chroma signal could be separated and into to separate AM components which added in better detection. It is the characteristic of the of the chroma singals's frequency in relation to the horiz frequency that causes the chroma signal to be out of phase on every other line. In NTSC this gives the advantage to completely separate the chroma from the luma using a comb filter but since PAL alternates the phase of the R-Y component thus negating the out of phase characteristic of the chroma signal only the B-Y component is fully separated from the luma and not R-Y. Both systems have their pluses and minuses but I think NTSC has a better advantage in some ways now with the 3 line comb filters and the highly accurate phase of the IC decoders. The issue of constantly having the adjust the hue of the older sets for accaptable color is a thing of the past. JSG From alfredot@inetarena.com Fri Jun 13 17:51:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85988 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2003 00:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2003 00:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2003 00:51:31 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust82.tnt17.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [65.227.179.82]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5E0knOt021574 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:49:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of C-QuAM In-Reply-To: <1055298941.2223.51116.m2@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon The Mouse squeaked: > > 1) L+R is transmitted in baseband, and L-R modulates a double > > sideband carrier supressed subcarrier(?) at 2X the 19KC pilot. > > That's the way it's supposed to be, at least. > > (Although the Crosby FM system would be interesting to experiment, > and if I can find info on the old Soviet FM system.....) Yes, yes, my Comrade. I, too would like to know about the Soviet "Polar Modulation" FM Stereo system. I've seen mention of it on the Internet, but no technical details on its operation. > > 2) L and R channels are switched back and forth, one to the other > at > > the subcarrier rate. > > Never heard of this technique, and by the sound of the description, I > wouldn't think it would work with analog radio. (It's how digital > works, though- Sequential alternation between channel samples.) I've seen it done, and it does work. The trick, however, is that you need a well designed filter at the output of the switch because not only will you find the L+R baseband audio and the 38 kHz L-R subcarrier there, but you will also find the odd harmonics of the subcarrier. That filter would have to roll off very sharply above 53 kHz and have a flat group-delay characteristic. The old stereo generator (I think it was made by Wilkinson) used at WITR when they were a Class-D station in the mid to late 1970s employed this technique. There was also a pirate radio FM Stereo generator kit that used this technique, with a 4066 CMOS switch at the heart of the circuit. Last and certainly least, the Rohm BA1404 employs this technique, albeit very poorly (the switching duty cycle in a unit that I tested was not 50%). Regarding the quest for an all-discrete (possibly vacuum tube) C-QUAM detector, you could just use a diode-ring circuit for your I and Q detectors! You could derive the I and Q reference carriers using passive components. What might be tricky is that pesky cosine corretion circuit. I wonder if you could build an AC-coupled error amplifier that would drive a variable gain circuit implemented using either a beam deflection tube or 12BA6 remote cutoff pentodes? Alfredo From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 13 18:28:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91703 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2003 01:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2003 01:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2003 01:28:38 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-78.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.78]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5E1SWoG023215 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:28:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000f01c33214$4e6b5ea0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Alternate methods of C-QuAM Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:28:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've got a set of schematics with it and a few engineering notes, but no manual as such. It would take me awhile to find them. Mine lacks the meter; in fact that whole panel it's on is not a removeable one, but is a solid front panel. The switches and fuse holders are in slightly different spots, but otherwise it looks very similar. Mine also has a 2RU auxiliary panel with four transformers and space for two preemphasis networks though there's only one on the SG itself. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "bta_50g" > If your BTS-1 doesn't look like this, how is it different? Is it > totally different, or just slightly different, like maybe including a > matrix generate the "L+R" and "L-R" audio signals? From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 13 20:10:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39746 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2003 03:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2003 03:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2003 03:10:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2003 03:10:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 03:10:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of C-QuAM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1625 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.95 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alfredo E. Torrejon"=20 wrote: > The Mouse squeaked: >=20 > > > 1) L+R is transmitted in baseband, and L-R modulates a double=20 > > > sideband carrier supressed subcarrier(?) at 2X the 19KC pilot. > >=20 > > That's the way it's supposed to be, at least. > >=20 > > (Although the Crosby FM system would be interesting to=20 experiment,=20 > > and if I can find info on the old Soviet FM system.....) >=20 > Yes, yes, my Comrade. I, too would like to know about the=20 Soviet > "Polar Modulation" FM Stereo system. I've seen mention of it on the > Internet, but no technical details on its operation. Probably time I fired off an email to the Ostankino broadcasting=20 facility in Moscow (http://www.tvtower.ru/) and see what response I=20 get. They have been trying to phase out the old Soviet FM band, but=20 even with the lack of new radios for the band (from what I know), the=20 services on that band still remain popular that it's still in use. =3Dsnip=3D > Regarding the quest for an all-discrete (possibly vacuum > tube) C-QUAM detector, you could just use a diode-ring circuit for=20 your I > and Q detectors! You could derive the I and Q reference carriers=20 using The basic phasor. > passive components. What might be tricky is that pesky cosine=20 corretion > circuit. I wonder if you could build an AC-coupled error amplifier=20 that > would drive a variable gain circuit implemented using either a beam > deflection tube or 12BA6 remote cutoff pentodes? Well, at the bery least, thanks to JSD, there's the tang=D8 circuit for=20 AM stereo, patent # 4,278,839. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 01:03:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91935 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2003 08:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2003 08:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41011.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2003 08:03:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20030614080326.23408.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.37.193] by web41011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 01:03:26 PDT Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 01:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: This sux & question for Scott To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio 1680 Jamz will go Radio Ditzy on Monday, yes, this Monday (6/16)! That sucks! Scott, what was the station that was rundown & for sale around where you are. It was 15-something. 1590? No $, just curious. I thought it was 1570, which Salem bought apparently. 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 10:14:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14400 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2003 17:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2003 17:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2003 17:12:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2003 17:12:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:12:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 776 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.95 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Here it is, the middle of the month, or just about, and this is the 328th post of the month, putting us at half of last month's total posts of 653, which isn't bad, really, unless you think about it. It started out great, with over 140 posts in 5 days! However, the last several days have been rather quiet. Especially now with 188 subscribers. Are you all giving up on AM stereo? No curiosity at all on how it works? What about AM stereo history- Interested at all? And if you had the $$$, would you insist on Omega in your AM stereo radio? :) Oh, and happy Father's Day and Flag Day this weekend here in the US. Not having a father, I can't pass along wishes to my own, so... May the DJs be cool, The music hot, And all in glorious AM stereo! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Jun 14 10:33:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41738 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2003 17:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2003 17:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2003 17:33:26 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-012scfairp0247.dialsprint.net ([63.189.176.247] helo=earthlink.net) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19REu5-0000RY-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:33:25 -0700 Message-ID: <3EEB5C7E.B8B85994@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 13:33:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Ford Taurus Radio References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I recently had occasion to rent a Ford Taurus on a vacation trip, and I was pleased at the excellent sound quality of the AM radio. (FM was good also.) I don't know if the radio had AMS or not, but since I was in the Adirondack mountains in upper NY state, there may not have been any nearby daytime stereo. But the overall sound quality of the AM radio was excellent. Dick W. From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat Jun 14 10:51:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60473 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2003 17:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2003 17:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2003 17:51:33 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030614175133.TRTR21474.fed1mtao02.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 13:51:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:51:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Subject: LARP Letter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A portion of my letter to Don Barrett of laradio.com was printed today.=20 Nothing major, but at least it gives a little publicity. Unfortunately,=20 any mention of analog stereo was cut. > ** Digital Radio > =93Everyone got excited over the concept of bringing the typical AM=20 > radio up in quality and to have fm compete better with satellite=20 > radios, but it seems to be harder than originally thought. Now a ton=20 > of money has been invested, and the Ibiquity is pushing hard. > > Not being an engineer, I don't know whether or not the problems can be=20 > overcome. The people at WOR seem genuinely thrilled by it, but local=20 > engineers I have spoken with think it's spreading only because of the=20 > money involved. I guess time will tell. > > I'd be a bit afraid [at least on AM] to push a system that renders all=20 > current radios obsolete, creates radios with really poor battery life,=20 > and uses a system that interferes with nearby signals. But that's me.=94= =20 > - Richard Wagoner =A0 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 13:37:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76817 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2003 20:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2003 20:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41211.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2003 20:37:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20030614203736.53088.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.148] by web41211.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 13:37:36 PDT Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 13:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus --- amymousie wrote: Are you all giving up on AM stereo? No curiosity at all on how it works? What about AM stereo history- Interested at all? Send some AM Stereo music files recorded off the radio please so we can hear more of it? Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jun 14 13:55:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19288 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2003 20:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2003 20:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2003 20:55:08 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-95.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.95]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5EKt0oG012075 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 15:55:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001701c332b7$43e215c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030614080326.23408.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} This sux & question for Scott Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 15:55:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The last station to sell was 1530- went to Starboard, a Catholic broadcaster. That signal never did have good metro coverage. It was licensed to Shakopee. 1570 has been in Salem's hands for several years now. Doubt they'd sell. 1590 is the New Richmond WI station- owned by Hubbard Broadcasting. I heard they were going to be sold and downgraded to allow the Watertown MN station on 1600 to upgrade, but Hubbard backed out. 1400 up in Virginia MN is still dark- will need its studios transmitter rebuilt, though one prod studio is still together(good equipment, too); tower could stand to be replumbed. Seller is asking $100K, but bet you could get it for just over $70K. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > 1680 Jamz will go Radio Ditzy on Monday, yes, > this Monday (6/16)! That sucks! > > Scott, what was the station that was rundown & > for sale around where you are. It was > 15-something. 1590? No $, just curious. I > thought it was 1570, which Salem bought > apparently. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Jun 14 14:37:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29252 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2003 21:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2003 21:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2003 21:37:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2003 21:37:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:37:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AFN Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 337 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.56.247 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan This booms in on 873 khz from Frankfurt Germany nighttime often swamping France Bleu on 864 khz. Audio sounds quite crisp with the wideband switch in. It beats a few of the BBC stations for bandwidth IMO Wwhere does this network take most of it's programming from ? They even replay the Country Top 40 shame it's not am stereo... From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jun 14 14:48:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29987 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2003 21:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2003 21:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2003 21:48:29 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-95.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.95]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5ELmNoG026324 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 16:48:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004301c332be$b8b74760$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030614080326.23408.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> <001701c332b7$43e215c0$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} This sux & question for Scott Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 16:48:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Should have read "studios and transmitters rebuilt". The mouse isn't the only one here to think faster than they type. :) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" > 1400 up in Virginia MN is still dark- will need its studios transmitter > rebuilt, From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jun 14 15:47:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56106 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2003 22:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2003 22:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2003 22:46:59 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-95.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.95]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5EMkroG009498 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:46:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004f01c332c6$e50aa7a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AFN Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:47:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude AFN is a composite of radio services. In some ways it more resembles radio of old- a bit of everything since they have to serve the diverse tastes of those in the military. Ditto your comments about not being AMS. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" > Wwhere does this network take most of it's programming from ? They > even replay the Country Top 40 shame it's not am stereo... From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 16:30:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43859 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2003 23:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2003 23:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2003 23:30:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2003 23:30:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:30:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AFN Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1201 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.95 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > This booms in on 873 khz from Frankfurt Germany nighttime often > swamping France Bleu on 864 khz. Audio sounds quite crisp with the > wideband switch in. It beats a few of the BBC stations for bandwidth > IMO > > Wwhere does this network take most of it's programming from ? They > even replay the Country Top 40 shame it's not am stereo... The Armed Forces Network, originally the Armed Forces Radio & Television Network, is a worldwide service (with some regional differences) intended for the U.S. armed forces, with programming from the different networks, syndications and other popular broadcast services from the US. This used to be the one place where you could hear all the top-of-the-hour news broadcasts from all the major networks (ABC, NBC, CBS, Mutual), but I don't know how it's playing out these days- There have been rumors of them taking down their MW and SW broadcasts, going entirely to FM via satellite delivery. Germany makes sense, since Europe's largest American bases are still there. The SW service used to be much saner to listen to than VOA on warm, sunny days. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 16:31:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33538 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2003 23:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2003 23:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2003 23:31:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2003 23:31:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:30:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1934 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Are you all giving up on AM stereo? No curiosity at all on how it > works? What about AM stereo history- Interested at all? The ultimate measure of any group's success is quality, not quantity. For about a year now, IBOC has been a consistently popular topic of discussion here, however, recently there isn't much to talk about, because of it's stumble over the audio quality issue, and the failure of any new AM stations to begin transmitting it (indeed, the overall number of AM stations using IBOC has *decreased* quite significantly in recent months). However, iBiquity claimed last month that the AM IBOC audio quality issued would be "resolved in the next several weeks", and that their report on nighttime use of IBOC would be "finished and made publicly available in the very near future". While we patiently wait for those claims to materialize, there is one topic worthy of discussion here -- Fanfare's revolutionary AM Stereo tuner and its amazing performance. From the brief audio samples posted so far, it is the *quietest* analog AM tuner that I've ever heard. To be able to pull in an AM Stereo signal from 80 miles away with virtually no background hiss, and yet with very good fidelity and stereo separation, is a true accomplishment, and a testament to the true quality that analog AM (and FM) radio is capable of achieving. I would love to hear more from the Fanfare tuner -- and remember that the ftp.amstereoradio.com server is available for the uploading of larger files. It would also be interesting to hear samples of how this tuner performs with weak/distant *FM* signals, as I'm sure I'm not the only one who has never been happy with the hissy, scratchy sound that FM often delivers in these conditions -- and how ordinary tuners attempt to disguise these flaws by drastically reducing, or even completely eliminating, the stereo separation and high-frequency response. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 16:37:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56905 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2003 23:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2003 23:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2003 23:37:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2003 23:37:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:37:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030614203736.53088.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 565 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.95 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > --- amymousie wrote: > Are you all giving up on AM stereo? No curiosity at > all on how it works? What about AM stereo history- > Interested at all? > > Send some AM Stereo music files recorded off the radio > please so we can hear more of it? There are two sites with AM stereo audio for your pleasure: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/ http://amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/ (under the "stations" directory) Happy browsing and listening! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 16:41:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91329 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2003 23:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2003 23:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2003 23:41:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2003 23:41:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:41:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AFN Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1355 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This booms in on 873 khz from Frankfurt Germany nighttime often > swamping France Bleu on 864 khz. Audio sounds quite crisp with the > wideband switch in. It beats a few of the BBC stations for > bandwidth. Could you record an MP3 sample for us to hear? I've always wanted to get a better taste for European Longwave and AM/Mediumwave radio, besides the few stations that are operating in AM Stereo. How about a band-scan, pausing for a few seconds at each listenable station on the dial? That would be interesting to hear, especially if recorded at night with stations from multiple countries in multiple languages coming in. And don't forget Longwave, too -- as a poor American, I've never actually gotten to listen to European/Asian longwave broadcast radio in person, either locally or by DX. All I get on the Longwave band on this side of the pond is a few airport beacons, a few "images" from local AM station, and other assorted forms of RF interference. I'm lucky enough to have a classic Becker car radio that tunes 150-300 kHz Longwave and 5.9-6.3 MHz Shortwave as well as regular AM and FM (up to 104 MHz), but its AGC circuit is in need of repair -- I have to turn the volume *way* up to hear weak signals, and then quickly turn it back down once a strong signal is tuned in, lest I blow out my speakers (and ears). From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 17:36:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 437 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 00:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 00:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 00:36:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2003 00:36:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 00:36:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3871 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.95 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Are you all giving up on AM stereo? No curiosity at all on how it > > works? What about AM stereo history- Interested at all? > > The ultimate measure of any group's success is quality, not > quantity. For about a year now, IBOC has been a consistently popular > topic of discussion here, however, recently there isn't much to talk > about, because of it's stumble over the audio quality issue, and the > failure of any new AM stations to begin transmitting it (indeed, the > overall number of AM stations using IBOC has *decreased* quite > significantly in recent months). Actually, I think most of us here would wish that anything IBOC would just go away, or simply didn't exist. I sure know that's how I feel. As for quality, this is debatable as to what one considers "quality", and franklly, argumentative posts tend to jeopardize this goal, especially with some people's quixotic behavior about certain topics- particularly IBOC. > However, iBiquity claimed last month that the AM IBOC audio quality > issued would be "resolved in the next several weeks", and that their > report on nighttime use of IBOC would be "finished and made publicly > available in the very near future". This is getting tiring. > While we patiently wait for those claims to materialize, there is one > topic worthy of discussion here -- Fanfare's revolutionary AM Stereo > tuner and its amazing performance. From the brief audio samples > posted so far, it is the *quietest* analog AM tuner that I've ever > heard. To be able to pull in an AM Stereo signal from 80 miles away > with virtually no background hiss, and yet with very good fidelity > and stereo separation, is a true accomplishment, and a testament to > the true quality that analog AM (and FM) radio is capable of > achieving. The FanFare/Omega tuner is indeed a major development, but it's simply not the only thing worthy of discussing with regards to AM stereo-- Such as DX catches, experimentation with AM stereo, designing new receivers & transmitters, who's turning on/off the C- QUAM switch, who's using -alternate- AM stereo systems.....I could go on. > I would love to hear more from the Fanfare tuner -- and remember that > the ftp.amstereoradio.com server is available for the uploading of > larger files. It would also be interesting to hear samples of how > this tuner performs with weak/distant *FM* signals, as I'm sure I'm > not the only one who has never been happy with the hissy, scratchy > sound that FM often delivers in these conditions -- and how ordinary > tuners attempt to disguise these flaws by drastically reducing, or > even completely eliminating, the stereo separation and high- frequency > response. Considering Marv said the Omega technology operates between 30kHz and 1.2GHz, it would be interesting hearing the Omega circuitry under a variety of conditions- including all-out DX- across that spectrum. Too bad such receivers won't sell except to the most dedicated, particularly since you can't sell this to the $5-$20 market. There once was a time when radios were expensive- almost as expensive as cars in their days- and people bought them and respected them as fine additions to their homes-- even if they didn't have that much means to pay for them. Today, people balk at radios costing more than $100, but would still gladly buy the CC Radio from C. Crane & Co. or the Bose WaveRadio. As good as his radios are, Marv's radios may never become popular sellers, but may become legends like the McMartins and such. (At least I hope so!) I would love a custom tuner of that quality, but that's just a pipedream for this mousie. But I need shortwave, at least. MW is just getting difficult these days, -without- IBOC. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Jun 14 18:17:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35669 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 01:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 01:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 01:17:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2003 01:17:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:17:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of C-QuAM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2552 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alfredo E. Torrejon" < alfredot@i...> wrote: > The Mouse squeaked: > > > > 1) L+R is transmitted in baseband, and L-R modulates a double > > > sideband carrier supressed subcarrier(?) at 2X the 19KC pilot. > > > > That's the way it's supposed to be, at least. > > > > (Although the Crosby FM system would be interesting to experiment, > > and if I can find info on the old Soviet FM system.....) > > Yes, yes, my Comrade. I, too would like to know about the Soviet > "Polar Modulation" FM Stereo system. I've seen mention of it on the > Internet, but no technical details on its operation. > > > > 2) L and R channels are switched back and forth, one to the > > > other at the subcarrier rate. > > > > Never heard of this technique, and by the sound of the > > description, I wouldn't think it would work with analog radio. > > (It's how digital works, though- Sequential alternation between > > channel samples.) > > I've seen it done, and it does work. The trick, however, is that > you need a well designed filter at the output of the switch because > not only will you find the L+R baseband audio and the 38 kHz L-R > subcarrier there, but you will also find the odd harmonics of the > subcarrier. That filter would have to roll off very sharply above > 53 kHz and have a flat group-delay characteristic. > The old stereo generator (I think it was made by Wilkinson) used > at WITR when they were a Class-D station in the mid to late 1970s > employed this technique. Was the Wilkinson stereo generator tube or solid state? I have an old tube Wilkinson stereo generator and it uses the "L-R" DSB approach of method #1 above. > Regarding the quest for an all-discrete (possibly vacuum > tube) C-QUAM detector, you could just use a diode-ring circuit for > your I and Q detectors! You could derive the I and Q reference > carriers using passive components. How do you derive the "I and Q reference carriers using passive components"? The only way I can think of to do this would require an impossibly high Q, narrow bandwidth filter, is there another way? > What might be tricky is that pesky cosine corretion > circuit. I wonder if you could build an AC-coupled error amplifier > that would drive a variable gain circuit implemented using either a > beam deflection tube or 12BA6 remote cutoff pentodes? The performance of C-Quam seems tolerable even without cosine correction, a simple piece wise linear approximation circuit might be good enough for practical purposes. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Jun 14 18:25:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50725 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 01:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 01:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 01:24:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2003 01:24:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:24:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Alternate methods of C-QuAM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c33214$4e6b5ea0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1568 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I've got a set of schematics with it and a few engineering notes, > but no manual as such. It would take me awhile to find them. Mine > lacks the meter; in fact that whole panel it's on is not a > removeable one, but is a solid front panel. The switches and fuse > holders are in slightly different spots, but otherwise it looks very > similar. Mine also has a 2RU auxiliary panel with four transformers > and space for two preemphasis networks though there's only one on > the SG itself. An auxiliary matrix panel is exactly what I was assuming would be needed with the BTS-1, so that answers one mystery. I assume the auxiliary matrix panel may have originally been used with the experimental Crosby FM stereo system, to adapt the BTX-1A "SCA" generator for the Crosby FM stereo system. The space for the pre emphasis networks on the matrix panel also addresses another issue that I only hinted at. I can't imagine that the tolerances of those Daven pre emphasis networks was good enough to allow using them in the "L+R" and "L-R" audio paths without degrading the separation, putting them on the matrix panel in the Left and Right audio paths eliminates that potential problem. The only remaining mystery is how they delayed the "L+R" audio to the main channel modulator to match the delay of the "L-R" audio in the BTS-1 due to the 38 kHz bands filter that the BTS-1 doubtless contained? They must have had also had an auxiliary delay panel to deal with that. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 19:26:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7944 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 02:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 02:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 02:26:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2003 02:26:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 02:26:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1386 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Such as DX catches, experimentation with AM stereo, designing new > receivers & transmitters, who's turning on/off the C-QUAM switch, > who's using -alternate- AM stereo systems.....I could go on. I've seen plenty of that here, even just within the past week. If you could go on, then by all means, do so! > There once was a time when radios were expensive- almost as > expensive as cars in their days- and people bought them and > respected them as fine additions to their homes-- even if they > didn't have that much means to pay for them. Alas, a radio used to be a *piece of furniture* -- TV sets, too. Nowadays, I find the styling of most "bookshelf" stereo systems to be absolutely HIDEOUS. I wonder when they will ever run out of ways to make something as simple as a *speaker* look even more garish and offending to the eye. Whatever happened to woodgrain cabinets? Aluminum front panels? Real knobs and switches with a solid, tactile feel to their operation? Legible control legends? Soft backlit dials, meters, and displays, instead of gaudy video-game-like multi-colored displays that would put Las Vegas casinos to shame? Comparable integrated stereo systems from 20 or 30 years ago may have sounded like crap (believe me, I've had my fair share of Yorx, XAM, Korvettes, Precor, Realistic, and the like), but at least they didn't *look* like crap. :-) From dav259@csiro.au Sat Jun 14 20:12:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19190 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 03:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 03:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 03:12:45 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5F3Chh28969; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:12:43 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:12:43 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Cc: Kevin Redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, amymousie wrote: > Oh, and happy Father's Day and Flag Day this weekend here in the US. > Not having a father, I can't pass along wishes to my own, so... Living in Oz - not much is changing - except month by month the AMS situation is gradually getting worse. It's difficult to post positive messages here. But I'll keep fighting till hopefully a US renaissance occurs and maybe then it will get a kick-start here again. My poor old man has gone to God - and he really loved music and radio. He did a wireless course in the army. When I was a kid he built many radios and big speaker boxes. I can't remember a weekend when he wasn't dabbling around in the garden or his shed dragging his homemade speaker with the huge extension cord about with him (in the days prior to transistor radios). He particularly liked 3XY's 'Champagne of Music' program on Sunday mornings (in the days before it became me too 3XY). They played alot of big band stuff plus several popular classical tracks and stuff that was successful on Broadway and on the silver screen. My big regret is that I could never interest him in AMS. I guess by this time he'd lost his love of radio as he knew it. In retrospect I should have given him an AMS tuner and let nature take its course. God bless all our fathers! Ian From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Jun 14 20:54:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54209 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 03:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 03:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 03:54:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2003 03:54:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 03:54:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 774 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > > However, iBiquity claimed last month that the AM IBOC audio > > quality issued would be "resolved in the next several weeks", and > > that their report on nighttime use of IBOC would be "finished and > > made publicly available in the very near future". > > This is getting tiring. I'm sure it won't last long, after a decent interval the NRSC will simply go ahead and standardize IBOC with the AAC coder rather than PAC. > As good as his radios are, Marv's radios may never become popular > sellers, but may become legends like the McMartins and such. (At > least I hope so!) I didn't know the McMartins were legends? Which McMartin models are particularly noteworthy? John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 21:26:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93969 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 04:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 04:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 04:25:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2003 04:25:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 04:25:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1191 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm sure it won't last long, after a decent interval the NRSC will > simply go ahead and standardize IBOC with the AAC coder rather than > PAC. I think iBiquity will try their best to hang on to PAC, since it is their own proprietary design. Not only is AAC not all that better in quality, it is also based in MPEG, which means two things: iBiquity will have to pay licensing fees to Fraunhofer, the German company which developed MPEG audio (most popularly used as MPEG Layer III, or "MP3"), and also, since AAC is an industry standard, other developers will be able to design their own IBOC decoders, just like how you can construct a functional Digital Radio Mondial (DRM) receiver by interfacing a communications receiver to your computer and running the received digital data stream through AAC decoder software. Eureka 147 DAB is the most "open" of all the digital radio standards, which is yet another reason why corporate radio in the USA is against it; E-147 simply uses a pure MP2 audio stream, which can even be captured bit-by-bit and then played back through any device which supports MP2 files (such as Windows Media Player, RealPlayer, QuickTime, etc.). From baansy@yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 22:13:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62013 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 05:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 05:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 05:13:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2003 05:13:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 05:13:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Is there AM STEREO in BENDIGO? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 551 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 61.9.128.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy From Adelaide South Australia at night time I can receive a few AM STEREO STAIONS from NSW, ACT and VICTORIA. 3UZ "SPORT 927" lights the stereo light. Tuning up to 945khz I've noticed the stereo light also comes on. This station is called "SPORT 927" for BENDIGO area. On a clear night 1053 2CA CANBERRA I can receive in stereo. AM STEREO has been forgotten about in SOUTH AUSTRALIA. 5DN was the last AM STEREO station here. They turned off their AM STEREO several years ago now. I have found a few AM STEREO radios in second hand stores. From baansy@yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 22:51:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70499 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 05:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 05:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 05:51:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2003 05:51:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 05:51:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: BEST AM POCKET RADIO MADE Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 169 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 61.9.128.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy I've just found a SANGEAN website which claims has the best AM pocket radio ever made the SANGEAN DT200V http://www.ccrane.com/sangean_dt200v_in_radio_AM_FM_index.asp From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 23:01:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57247 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 06:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 06:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 06:01:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2003 06:01:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 06:01:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: BEST AM POCKET RADIO MADE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 373 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "baansy" wrote: > I've just found a SANGEAN website which claims has the best AM pocket > radio ever made the SANGEAN DT200V > > http://www.ccrane.com/sangean_dt200v_in_radio_AM_FM_index.asp I'm skeptical of any claims from C. Crane & Co., so... Take it as you will. (Even if they are local to me.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 00:58:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52002 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 07:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 07:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 07:58:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2003 07:58:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 07:58:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: BEST AM POCKET RADIO MADE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 485 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm skeptical of any claims from C. Crane & Co., so... Take it as > you will. (Even if they are local to me.) If it's like any other Sangean product, then it has good AM reception, but very narrow bandwidth, and hissy reception of weak signals (due to an overactive AGC and no Noise Reduction feature). Note that Radio Shack sold an exact copy of this radio under the "Optimus" brand, and it often goes for a considerably lower price on eBay than the equivalent Sangean model. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 04:22:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29372 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 11:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 11:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 11:22:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2003 11:22:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:22:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1073 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > > > > However, iBiquity claimed last month that the AM IBOC audio > > > quality issued would be "resolved in the next several weeks", and > > > that their report on nighttime use of IBOC would be "finished and > > > made publicly available in the very near future". > > > > This is getting tiring. > > I'm sure it won't last long, after a decent interval the NRSC will > simply go ahead and standardize IBOC with the AAC coder rather than > PAC. Not hardly likely with all the money Lucent has to lose if they do so. It's going to be PAC. AAC has no chance. > > As good as his radios are, Marv's radios may never become popular > > sellers, but may become legends like the McMartins and such. (At > > least I hope so!) > > I didn't know the McMartins were legends? Which McMartin models >are particularly noteworthy? This isn't the same McMartin that made radio transmitters is it? Powell From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 15 04:47:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26983 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 11:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 11:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 11:47:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2003 11:46:59 -0000 Date: 15 Jun 2003 11:46:59 -0000 Message-ID: <1055677619.446679.72970.w48@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-intl/AFN Europe 873 khz.MP3 Uploaded by : amstereofan Description : Short recording of AFN on 873 khz from the Frankfurt tx (mono) heard nightime recorded on a Sony ST-JX220a in Brighton UK You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-intl/AFN%20Europe%20873%20khz.MP3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, amstereofan From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Jun 15 08:06:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10744 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 15:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 15:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 15:06:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2003 15:06:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:06:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 961 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > Not hardly likely with all the money Lucent has to lose if they do > so. It's going to be PAC. AAC has no chance. Time will tell. > > I didn't know the McMartins were legends? Which McMartin models > >are particularly noteworthy? > > This isn't the same McMartin that made radio transmitters is it? I'm assuming that is the McMartin Amy is talking about, but that is part of my question, and we will have to wait for her to weigh in with the answer. McMartin was big in "SCA" receivers, and FM rebroadcast receivers, and they also built some AM air monitor type receivers, but all the McMartin receivers I know of were single frequency crystal controlled receivers, not necessarily something a mouse would consider to be a "legend", so I am curious what she is talking about here? John From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 15 12:37:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92473 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 19:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 19:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 19:37:58 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-126.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.126]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5FJbqoG015549 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:37:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002101c33375$a812cb20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:38:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The answer is all too simple- they're being marketed to a generation that grew up on video games. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Whatever happened to woodgrain cabinets? Aluminum front panels? Real > knobs and switches with a solid, tactile feel to their operation? > Legible control legends? Soft backlit dials, meters, and displays, > instead of gaudy video-game-like multi-colored displays that would > put Las Vegas casinos to shame? > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 12:39:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29755 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 19:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 19:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 19:39:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2003 19:39:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:39:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1055677619.446679.72970.w48@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 347 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Short recording of AFN on 873 khz from the Frankfurt tx (mono) > heard nightime recorded on a Sony ST-JX220a in Brighton UK Through Cool Edit's spectrum analysis of this recording, it appears that AFN is transmitting with a 7.5 kHz audio bandwidth. They do sound good, though, and it would be nice to hear a station like that in AM Stereo. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 15 12:57:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23536 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 19:57:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 19:57:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 19:57:27 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-126.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.126]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5FJvMoG020103 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:57:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005b01c33378$618f9e00$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:57:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Methinks the mouse had a bit of brain-fade. Probably meant McIntosh. I wouldn't put much of anything Mc Martin made as being a legend, though I do preserve some of their equipment for historical purposes. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III" > > I didn't know the McMartins were legends? Which McMartin models > >are particularly noteworthy? > > This isn't the same McMartin that made radio transmitters is it? > > Powell > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From dougharding@mindspring.com Sun Jun 15 15:55:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15373 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 22:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 22:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 22:55:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2003 22:55:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:55:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another possible AM IBOC problem? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1048 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.199.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I have a friend who just bought three XM satellite digital radios for his house. He first bought a SONY for the living rooms. Then he bought a Delphi for the bedroom and a PC XM radio for his den. Here is what happen. If you have all three radios on at the same time tuned to the same station there is up to a one second delay in their audio (just say one thousand and one). Remember they are all tuned to the same station. It sounds like you are in a huge stadium as you walk around his house. He is upset because this means you can only have one on at a time without being driven crazy. Has WOR or anyone else tested this for AM IBOC? Is the same thing going to happen? Since there are no radios available right now for us to test this I hope if WOR has two digital radios available they will see if the same thing happens. I will say it again. Why are we fixing analog wideband AMAX AM stereo when it is not broken? All digital audio must be at some point converted to analog to be heard. Why not keep it analog to start with? Just my 5 cents. From dav259@csiro.au Sun Jun 15 15:57:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19052 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 22:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 22:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 22:57:02 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5FMv0h25104 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:57:00 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:57:00 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is there AM STEREO in BENDIGO? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, baansy wrote: > From Adelaide South Australia at night time I can receive a few AM > STEREO STAIONS from NSW, ACT and VICTORIA. > > 3UZ "SPORT 927" lights the stereo light. Tuning up to 945khz I've > noticed the stereo light also comes on. This station is called "SPORT > 927" for BENDIGO area. > > On a clear night 1053 2CA CANBERRA I can receive in stereo. I guess you can't pick up Magic 693 as 5SY - Streaky Bay is on the same frequency. Where is Streaky Bay? What about 3AK on 1116? It's still broadcasting in stereo with no pilot. > AM STEREO has been forgotten about in SOUTH AUSTRALIA. 5DN was the > last AM STEREO station here. They turned off their AM STEREO > several years ago now. What about 5MU - Murray Bridge? I believe they were a great AMS station with the same power output as Adelaide stations. 5AN (ABC-891) comes into Melbourne each night like a local. Ian Melbourne From jlehmann@attbi.com Sun Jun 15 16:53:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlehmann@attbi.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84030 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2003 23:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2003 23:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc13.attbi.com) (204.127.198.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 23:53:26 -0000 Received: from amd (h00045a211584.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.30.163.53](untrusted sender)) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003061523412201500d9lvce>; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:41:22 +0000 To: Subject: 1360 WLYN Stereo off Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:41:44 -0400 Message-ID: <006f01c33397$ade4b0f0$6401a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal From: "Jeff Lehmann" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=98257848 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn It appears that 1360 WLYN in Lynn, MA has turned off the stereo. It did show up fine on my TM-152 until I checked it today, and it was gone. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 17:33:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58772 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 00:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 00:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 00:33:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2003 00:33:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:33:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Another possible AM IBOC problem? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1268 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > I have a friend who just bought three XM satellite digital radios for > his house. He first bought a SONY for the living rooms. Then he bought > a Delphi for the bedroom and a PC XM radio for his den. Here is what > happen. If you have all three radios on at the same time tuned to the > same station there is up to a one second delay in their audio (just > say one thousand and one). Remember they are all tuned to the same > station. It sounds like you are in a huge stadium as you walk around > his house. He is upset because this means you can only have one on at > a time without being driven crazy. Has WOR or anyone else tested this > for AM IBOC? Is the same thing going to happen? Since there are no > radios available right now for us to test this I hope if WOR has two > digital radios available they will see if the same thing happens. I > will say it again. Why are we fixing analog wideband AMAX AM stereo > when it is not broken? All digital audio must be at some point > converted to analog to be heard. Why not keep it analog to start with? > Just my 5 cents. Yes, and yes, but I forget how long the delay is- Something like a second or so. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 17:38:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15471 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 00:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 00:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 00:38:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2003 00:38:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:37:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005b01c33378$618f9e00$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 493 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Methinks the mouse had a bit of brain-fade. Probably meant McIntosh. I > wouldn't put much of anything Mc Martin made as being a legend, though I do > preserve some of their equipment for historical purposes. When I thought of McIntosh, I thought of their amplifiers. What I should've said was H.H.Scott, just that McMartin was what came to mind at the time. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Hardly perfect, even for a mouse.) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 19:10:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20695 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 02:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 02:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 02:10:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2003 02:10:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:10:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1360 WLYN Stereo off Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006f01c33397$ade4b0f0$6401a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 786 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It appears that 1360 WLYN in Lynn, MA has turned off the stereo. > It did show up fine on my TM-152 until I checked it today, and it > was gone. According to their web site at http://www.wlyn.com they have an e-mail address at wlyn@wlyn.com and their phone number is 781-639-0769. You may want to drop them a line and ask what's what. However, since you noticed the lack of Stereo on a Sunday, they could have been doing transmitter site maintenance, which usually is done on weekends, at which time a mono backup transmitter might have temporarily been in use. Keep in mind that 1360 WLYN is an Ethnic station, and if any of their customers would pay a few extra bucks to have their show broadcast in Stereo, that would be all the more reason for them to keep it active. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 19:17:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4611 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 02:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 02:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 02:17:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2003 02:17:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:17:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Another possible AM IBOC problem? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1146 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yes, and yes, but I forget how long the delay is- Something like a > second or so. WOR claims that with IBOC in use, there is about an 8 to 9 second latency caused by the encoding, buffering, and decoding process of the digital signal. In normal programming, they delay their analog audio by an equal amount in order to maintain acceptable synchronization between the analog and IBOC digital signals -- which is important no matter how strong the signal is, because when an IBOC station is first tuned in, it takes several seconds for the digital audio to buffer and then start playing -- during which time the analog signal will be heard. (And reportedly, the Visteon receiver has a wide enough analog bandwidth that you can hear the hiss of the IBOC sidebands during this time!) However, obviously this is unacceptable for live sporting events in which listeners might carry a radio to the game to hear the play-by-play. In this case, WOR usually turns off the delay of their analog signal, which would make listening to them in IBOC digital mode a very confusing experience whenever the signal "blends" back to analog. From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Jun 15 20:56:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96182 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 03:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 03:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 03:56:16 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-101.skyweb.net [66.6.130.229]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h5G3xrb9015203 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:59:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3EED3FC0.248AACF4@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:55:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1360 WLYN Stereo off References: <006f01c33397$ade4b0f0$6401a8c0@AMD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 seems my Boss Must have made a trip to Lynn ,Mass Every new station no matter how good it sounds He must touch. it at least once He did this to my station also... But I fought with him to keep the stereo.. Neal Jeff Lehmann wrote: > It appears that 1360 WLYN in Lynn, MA has turned off the stereo. It did > show up fine on my TM-152 until I checked it today, and it was gone. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 15 22:14:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35231 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 05:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 05:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 05:14:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2003 05:14:39 -0000 Date: 16 Jun 2003 05:14:36 -0000 Message-ID: <1055740476.40223.81568.w3@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /TimeInBottleMP3.mp3 Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : CFCO from FTA-100 partial "Time In A Bottle" You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/TimeInBottleMP3.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, toledohamradio From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 23:58:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21599 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 06:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 06:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41003.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.2) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 06:58:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20030616065843.20289.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.36.252] by web41003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:58:43 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1360 WLYN Stereo off To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3EED3FC0.248AACF4@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Why must he thwart such a beautiful thing as A.M. stereo? I'm grateful that you've been able to keep WTTM stereo! 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 00:03:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19021 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 07:03:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 07:03:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41003.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.2) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 07:03:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20030616070323.20764.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.36.252] by web41003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:03:23 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} This sux & question for Scott To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004301c332be$b8b74760$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Thanks for the info. Now, if only I had $70k! How much would a stereo 1kW XMTR. go for new? Is Jeff from Nautel still on? I know he said a 50kW blast job would go for $160k. I just like asking questions! 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 02:10:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64878 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 09:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 09:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 09:10:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2003 09:10:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:10:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hmmm, AM stereo & sync detectors Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 182 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Found a page with some info, scans & datasheet links concerning AM stereo and sync detectors, here: http://user.netonecom.net/~swordman/Radio/ShortWaveRadio.htm Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jlehmann@attbi.com Mon Jun 16 04:48:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlehmann@attbi.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88681 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 11:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 11:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.attbi.com) (204.127.202.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 11:48:19 -0000 Received: from amd (h00045a211584.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.30.163.53](untrusted sender)) by attbi.com (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20030616114818016001kvgoe>; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:48:18 +0000 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1360 WLYN Stereo off Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:48:43 -0400 Message-ID: <007d01c333fd$3cdfaca0$6401a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030616065843.20289.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Jeff Lehmann" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=98257848 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Good News, It=92s back in stereo this morning. Must have just been them working on the transmitter or something like someone suggested. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: JNR [mailto:a1asurfradio@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:59 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1360 WLYN Stereo off Why must he thwart such a beautiful thing as A.M. stereo?=A0 I'm grateful that you've been able to keep WTTM stereo! 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 From jwelton@nautel.com Mon Jun 16 05:40:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28017 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 12:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 12:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.25.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 12:40:47 -0000 Received: FROM jeff BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Mon Jun 16 09:44:08 2003 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:40:00 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: This sux & question for Scott Cc: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Message-ID: <3EED9069.26183.7D7CA4@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1055752072.711.14401.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff_welton > How much would a stereo 1kW XMTR. go for new? Is > Jeff from Nautel still on? Yep, I'm still here, when I'm in country (just got back from an installation in the eastern UK - gawd, I love Ipswich!). Figure about $12.5k for an ND1. BTW, anyone in northern Europe or the UK with a comm receiver and DRM software should start scanning 1296 kHz. Rumor has it there's a 200kW AM gearing up to test DRM on that frequency, beginning today. Don't know the program schedule, but you might be able to find it on Radio Netherlands' website. It would be interesting if someone was able to upload a sample for comments. I'll stay clear; I'm prejudiced. Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jun 16 06:37:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39640 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 13:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 13:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 13:37:37 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:37:37 -0600 Message-ID: <002001c3340c$733f0e30$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:37:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually Amy, I think that people finally shut up about IBOC here on this list. That seemed to always be the hot topic spewing out tons of messages (leading to the heavy use of the DELETE key on my keyboard). Most of us still care and are still here. I write this as I'm on air playing classic country, hearing it on my in-studio monitor - which is a direct line off the Motorola C-quam modulation monitor. Long live C-quam! :) MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: amymousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: {AMSF} Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Here it is, the middle of the month, or just about, and this is the 328th post of the month, putting us at half of last month's total posts of 653, which isn't bad, really, unless you think about it. It started out great, with over 140 posts in 5 days! However, the last several days have been rather quiet. Especially now with 188 subscribers. Are you all giving up on AM stereo? No curiosity at all on how it works? What about AM stereo history- Interested at all? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jun 16 07:14:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92288 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 14:14:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 14:14:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 14:14:18 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:14:18 -0600 Message-ID: <008501c33411$93337fa0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:14:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmmm.....even AFN is running satellite. Seriously, I think the "your kind of country" slogan is partial to the Westwood One Country network. sound is quite nice, though! Definitely a satellite network, though. Not live. Interesting. Been trying to hear AFN on shortwave, but had no luck. Any shortwave listeners out there know of an AFN frequency that's pretty solid and always there and should be easy to pick up? MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 1:39 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum > Short recording of AFN on 873 khz from the Frankfurt tx (mono) > heard nightime recorded on a Sony ST-JX220a in Brighton UK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 07:16:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21607 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 14:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 14:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41010.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.9) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 14:16:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20030616141634.98646.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.36.252] by web41010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:16:34 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: This sux & question for Scott To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3EED9069.26183.7D7CA4@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I've never been to Ipswich, but lemme guess: you're thinking about vacationing there (or should I say "holiday?!") right? Sounds like it was fun. I wish I could hear how DRM sounds. Isn't it supposed to sound better than IBOC as well as be compatible w. A.M. Stereo? $12½k sounds pretty low! Good to know there are still bargains out there! 73 and good to see you still there! Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jun 16 07:22:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92401 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 14:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 14:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 14:22:43 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:22:43 -0600 Message-ID: <00a801c33412$c0789710$5401010a@AM> To: References: <005b01c33378$618f9e00$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:22:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL! Thanks Scott! I was about to comment the same thing. For the years I've been in the biz, just about ANYTHING McMartin is a P.O.S. Although I must say our I shouldn't bad-mouth them too badly. Our McMartin BA-1K transmitter is performing quite well still and sounds wonderfully beautiful in stereo. It's pretty rock-solid and pretty simple to work on. Sure wish it didn't eat tubes the way it does. And honestly folks, I find this quite strange, but I STILL have the tubes (Amperex ceramic ones---4-400C the number) in there that were put in there back when I did the stereo conversion last august. I have NEVER seen tubes last this long. I don't see how being stereo could lengthen the life of the tubes, I'm just calling this one as I see it. True, the tubes are showing their wear, negative peaks are up and yeah, it's time to change them. But I'm more used to a 4 to 6 month tube life from this transmitter...not the 10 months they've been in there. Go figure! Go McMartin! :) Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 1:57 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Methinks the mouse had a bit of brain-fade. Probably meant McIntosh. I wouldn't put much of anything Mc Martin made as being a legend, though I do preserve some of their equipment for historical purposes. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 09:52:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42037 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 16:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 16:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 16:52:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2003 16:52:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:52:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008501c33411$93337fa0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 994 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Hmmmm.....even AFN is running satellite. Seriously, I think the "your kind of country" slogan is partial to the Westwood One Country network. sound is quite nice, though! Definitely a satellite network, though. Not live. Interesting. Been trying to hear AFN on shortwave, but had no luck. Any shortwave listeners out there know of an AFN frequency that's pretty solid and always there and should be easy to pick up? AFN dropped shortwave a few years back, last I heard. A shame, too-- It was actually a BETTER source for American news on SW than VOA has ever been, simply because they used the domestic top-of-the-hour (and half-hour) news feeds from the networks without any prejudice. America... The least inclined towards shortwave... The lowest shortwave listenership in the world, per capita. (That's why the BBC had dropped SW to America a couple years ago, too.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 10:36:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67584 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 17:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 17:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 17:36:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2003 17:36:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:36:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: This sux & question for Scott Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030616141634.98646.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1891 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > I've never been to Ipswich, but lemme guess: > you're thinking about vacationing there (or > should I say "holiday?!") right? Sounds like it > was fun. I wish I could hear how DRM sounds.=20 > Isn't it supposed to sound better than IBOC as > well as be compatible w. A.M. Stereo? DRM's "simulcast" mode does indeed use quadrature, but no, it's not=20 compatible with C-QUAM AM stereo as far as I am aware, although one=20 CAN broadcast stereo audio on it. (The standard allows for stereo in=20 20kHz mode, but there have been several DRM broadcasts using stereo=20 in 10kHz mode.) Here are links to a couple stereo DRM samploes: From a German-language listener's page at:=20 http://www.sender-tabelle.de/AM/DRM.htm we have the following recording of Europe's RTL network on 6095: http://www.sender-tabelle.de/AM/stereo_347.mp3 Here is the recording that USED to be on Radio Netherlands' page at: http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/html/drm_latest.html of a test transmission from Rampisham, UK as received in=20 Thessilonika, Greece: http://www.amstereo.audio- stream.net/amstereo/files/systems/DAB/DRM/rampisham_stereo.mp3 (cut&paste as appropriate) > $12=BDk sounds pretty low! Good to know there are > still bargains out there! Keep that in mi9nd with the cost broadcasters are paying for IBOC! Also,l I think that since many (most, actually) transmitters are hand- made, I think transmitter makers should continue to support C-QUAM=20 cards & exciters as long as there's even a small interest. If I'm not mistaken, Motorola has abandoned even usingt the C-QUAM=20 trademark at least 2 years ago, and with the relevant patents, the=20 system is now completely in the public domain, so unlike certaqin=20 other systems, C-QUAM is now completely royalty-free, and need not be=20 attatched to the Motorola name any longer. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Jun 16 11:01:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21360 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 18:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 18:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 18:01:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2003 18:01:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:01:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DRM Official Launch today Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 238 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.59.244 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Many official SW and MW (AM) broadcasts have started today as you amy know. Andy Sennit of Radio Netherlands tells me he is 'enjoying 30.9k FM quality on 1296khz from the BBC World Service... I will upload a sample if he sends me one From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 11:05:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46103 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 18:05:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 18:05:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 18:05:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2003 18:05:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:05:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001c3340c$733f0e30$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 852 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Actually Amy, I think that people finally shut up about IBOC here on this list. That seemed to always be the hot topic spewing out tons of messages (leading to the heavy use of the DELETE key on my keyboard). Most of us still care and are still here. I write this as I'm on air playing classic country, hearing it on my in-studio monitor - which is a direct line off the Motorola C-quam modulation monitor. > Long live C-quam! :) Well, I certainly still care, as one could tell by how much I do post here. :) As long as at least ONE person still cares, it's not dead. Thankless, lonely, and ridiculed, maybe, but not dead. :) Let's hope it NEVER gets down to just one person. (And let's get more Part 15 broadcasters out there! :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jun 16 12:01:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89076 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2003 19:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2003 19:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2003 19:01:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2003 19:01:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:01:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another building block for AM Stereo that glows in the dark Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1157 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Tube freak and AM Stereo fan that I am, here is another old Heathkit tuner that offers wideband AM: Item # 2178722511 On ebay of course. Hopefully someone will get it who love it! John had mentioned about the PC boards on PT-1s. I know that a lot of the early PC boards were pretty problematic, but the 3 PT-1s I've had the pleasure of knowing and working on were good in that department. All it takes though is someone coming along with a soldering gun, rather than an iron, or an inept kit builder or whatever, to alter this happy state. I have a Heathkit AJ-11 which is point to point. Unfortunately, AM sensitivity is very poor on it, and the wide/narrow does not switch properly. Possibly a bad paper cap, bad select switch, wiring error etc. etc. Point to point is great when its neat, tidy and roomy under the chassis, but spending too much time with a ZTO Y600 made me appreciate PC boards a great deal!!! Plus, wideband tube tuners provided a cozy spot for a mouse to take a nap, after she has been working on converting it to AM Stereo;) If I were a cat, and all mice were as smart as Amy, I'd stick to birds... Phil R. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Jun 16 17:24:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48518 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 00:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 00:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 00:24:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 00:24:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:24:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: When did WINS and VOCM drop stereo ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 360 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.61.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Just found an old tape with some (in uk) dx recs of WINS 1010 and VOCM 590 both clips I have uploaded in the files section mention stereo. Not bad I guess with 50 ft of wire accross the garden at the time using a Yaesu FRG7700 Shame WINS does'nt stream. I see they are still using the 'you give us 20mins we'll give you the world' catchphrase even now From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Jun 16 17:26:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46247 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 00:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 00:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 00:26:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 00:26:42 -0000 Date: 17 Jun 2003 00:26:42 -0000 Message-ID: <1055809602.20748.99024.w48@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/VOCM old DX rec from UK with mention of am stereo.mp3 Uploaded by : amstereofan Description : As file description rec late 80's ? You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/VOCM%20old%20DX%20rec%20from%20UK%20with%20mention%20of%20am%20stereo.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, amstereofan From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Jun 16 17:28:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64620 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 00:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 00:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 00:28:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 00:28:40 -0000 Date: 17 Jun 2003 00:28:38 -0000 Message-ID: <1055809718.39657.37272.w29@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/Old DX rec from UK of WINS 1010 with mention of stereo.mp3 Uploaded by : amstereofan Description : Rec late 80's DX from uk with mention of stereo You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/Old%20DX%20rec%20from%20UK%20of%20WINS%201010%20with%20mention%20of%20stereo.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, amstereofan From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jun 16 17:40:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65007 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 00:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 00:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 00:40:05 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-151.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.151]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5H0e0oG007633 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:40:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004301c33469$09e02200$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030616070323.20764.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} This sux & question for Scott Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:40:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude BE has them for about $13k. You could rebuild the existing transmitter for about $3000, a Harris MW-1A and get a good used AMS generator and monitor for a kilobuck more. Chances are you could get a good used transmitter for even less than $3K. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > Thanks for the info. Now, if only I had $70k! > How much would a stereo 1kW XMTR. go for new? Is > Jeff from Nautel still on? I know he said a 50kW > blast job would go for $160k. > > I just like asking questions! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 17:45:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78759 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 00:45:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 00:45:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 00:45:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 00:45:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:45:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1055809718.39657.37272.w29@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1772 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Old DX rec from UK of WINS 1010 with mention of stereo All of the "Group W" stations used to mention "...in AM Stereo" in their ID: 1010 WINS, 1020 KDKA, 1030 WBZ, and 1060 KYW -- all 50,000-watt powerhouses with a News/Talk or all-News format. WINS was the first to drop Stereo; in 1995, they upgraded and rebuilt their transmitter site (taking several adjancent-channel stations off the air, and getting CFRB to accept more interference from them), and they neglected to include AM Stereo as part of the new transmitter set-up. (By the way, 1010 WINS claims to be "the most listened-to radio station in America", based on their New York City ratings extrapolated to an estimated number of people listening to them at any given time.) KYW gave up the ghost some time in 1997 or early '98; first, they removed the "...in AM Stereo" from their ID, and then within a matter of months, the AM Stereo was gone from their signal. Even back then, KYW was already hopeful of IBOC -- but now, half a decade later, now that IBOC is actually on the air, I haven't heard anything about KYW expressing any interest in using it. WBZ still possesses a backup transmitter that is fully equipped for AM Stereo broadcasts, but since the installation of a new main transmitter in the Fall of 2001, they haven't regularly broadcast in Stereo. Earlier this year, WBZ claimed they would soon begin transmitting IBOC, but I have heard nothing further about it, and to this day, WBZ remains a plain mono analog AM station, except for sporadic periods when they fire up their Stereo-equipped backup transmitter (and yes, their programming continues to be produced with full Stereo audio, although most of the time, only the people in WBZ's studios can hear it!). From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jun 16 17:58:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70768 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 00:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 00:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 00:58:16 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-229.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.229]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5H0wBoG013587 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:58:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008a01c3346b$940e0e40$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:57:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Or a few watts more if you're out in the country. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "amymousie" As long as at least ONE person still cares, it's not dead. > Thankless, lonely, and ridiculed, maybe, but not dead. :) Let's hope > it NEVER gets down to just one person. (And let's get more Part 15 > broadcasters out there! :) ) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 18:16:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46437 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 01:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 01:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 01:16:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 01:16:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:16:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Another building block for AM Stereo that glows in the dark Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 369 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: =snip= > Plus, wideband tube tuners provided a cozy spot for a mouse to take > a nap, after she has been working on converting it to AM Stereo;) Hehe... :) > If I were a cat, and all mice were as smart as Amy, I'd stick to > birds... I'll take that as a compliment. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 18:23:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63047 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 01:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 01:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 01:23:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 01:23:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:23:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: When did WINS and VOCM drop stereo ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 379 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > Just found an old tape with some (in uk) dx recs of WINS 1010 and > VOCM 590 both clips I have uploaded in the files section mention > stereo. Not bad I guess with 50 ft of wire accross the garden at the > time using a Yaesu FRG7700 Nice DX! :) Best I ever had was Japan from here. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 18:32:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74853 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 01:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 01:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 01:32:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 01:32:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:32:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Another building block for AM Stereo that glows in the dark Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 917 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Plus, wideband tube tuners provided a cozy spot for a mouse to > take a nap, after she has been working on converting it to AM > Stereo;) As a human, part of my enjoyment from using vaccum-tube equipment is the very distinctive "toasted bakelite" smell. In addition to the gentle orange glow filtering out through the ventilation holes, that is one characteristic which solid-state radios will never be able to replicate. Same thing with a "magic tuning eye"! BTW, I also used to enjoy using vacuum-tube television sets, both black & white and color, but unfortunately none are in my possession right now. I'm still looking for a duplicate of the "portable" 9-inch GE color set, circa early '70s, that my parents had. It had the picture tube on the left, and the controls and speaker grille on the right. Of course, it weighed a ton, but it had a handle on top, so that's what made it "portable". From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Jun 16 18:36:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66959 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 01:36:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 01:36:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 01:36:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 01:35:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:35:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hmmm, AM stereo & sync detectors Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 526 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > Found a page with some info, scans & datasheet links concerning AM > stereo and sync detectors, here: > > http://user.netonecom.net/~swordman/Radio/ShortWaveRadio.htm Do you have any links to vacuum tube based PLL's, with high loop gain and low phase error? It would be nice to have an op amp to amplify the control voltage from the phase detector for the VCO, but vacuum tube op amps seem a little messy for a consumer type device. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Jun 16 18:38:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94128 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 01:38:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 01:38:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 01:38:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 01:38:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:38:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a801c33412$c0789710$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 688 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" < michaelj@v...> wrote: > Sure wish it didn't eat tubes the way it does. And honestly folks, > I find this quite strange, but I STILL have the tubes (Amperex > ceramic ones---4-400C the number) in there that were put in there > back when I did the stereo conversion last august. I have to admit that I am not up with the contemporary technology, and don't know what a "4-400C" is? I am only familiar with the old glass ones. I am having a hard time imagining a "ceramic" 4-400, how they are constructed, and cooled? Are they a plug in replacement for a 4- 400A, or do they require a new socket and cooling system? John From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 19:03:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49681 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 02:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 02:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 02:03:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 02:03:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:03:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008a01c3346b$940e0e40$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 930 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: (referring to my mentioning that we need more Part 15 broadcasters out there.) > Or a few watts more if you're out in the country. Some countries have their own versions of the US's Part 15 radio rules with varying degrees. Some actually allow private broadcasting outright without a license- Indonesia and Micronesia are two such countries. ((Micronesia's rules only allowed state radio stations to be licensed, which weas found out in a dispute between a staste station and a private one over regulations and fees, a couple years back. Micronesia only has one state-run station.) Places like Canada, New Zealand and Ireland have Part-15-like rules that allow low-power broadcasting. I'm not sure about Australia, though. But yes, rural low-power broadcasting is quite flexible in the US, as long as interference is minimal. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 19:09:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70113 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 02:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 02:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 02:09:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 02:09:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:09:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Another building block for AM Stereo that glows in the dark Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 817 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Plus, wideband tube tuners provided a cozy spot for a mouse to > > take a nap, after she has been working on converting it to AM > > Stereo;) > > As a human, part of my enjoyment from using vaccum-tube equipment is > the very distinctive "toasted bakelite" smell. In addition to the > gentle orange glow filtering out through the ventilation holes, that > is one characteristic which solid-state radios will never be able to > replicate. Same thing with a "magic tuning eye"! The "glow in the dark" part could be done with LEDs (but there's some trade-off), and "magic eye" tubes! I miss those things! Small ones don't take much voltage, as far as I know, and could be integrated into a solid-state radio. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 19:10:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91762 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 02:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 02:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 02:10:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 02:10:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:10:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hmmm, AM stereo & sync detectors Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 656 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > Found a page with some info, scans & datasheet links concerning AM > > stereo and sync detectors, here: > > > > http://user.netonecom.net/~swordman/Radio/ShortWaveRadio.htm > > > Do you have any links to vacuum tube based PLL's, with high loop gain > and low phase error? It would be nice to have an op amp to amplify > the control voltage from the phase detector for the VCO, but vacuum > tube op amps seem a little messy for a consumer type device. Hadn't looked, really Amy. <:3 )~~8~ . From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 19:25:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13722 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 02:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 02:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 02:25:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20030617022532.37219.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.127.57.59] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:25:32 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: 1360 WLYN Stereo off To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Somebody wrote: "1360 WLYN Stereo...Good News, It’s back in stereo this morning" - Please, please, please just don't assume that the stereo is off-air for maintenance. This is a good reason to call the station and let them know that you enjoy listening to them in stereo, and hope that mono is only temporary. You gotta let-em know that you're listening, or off it may go. Let them know how many millions of receivers are still out there, and that top of the line still have them in cars. I wrote to WSPD when CC told them to turn the AM stereo switch off, and the engineer said he thought he was the only one that cared about the stereo - so, give them a reason to fight to keep it on!!! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 19:27:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11571 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 02:27:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 02:27:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 02:27:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20030617022709.32025.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.127.57.59] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:27:09 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Did you hear the file? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio What did you think of the file: TimeInBottleMP3.mp3 ?? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 19:28:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96566 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 02:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 02:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 02:28:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20030617022852.31592.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.148] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:28:52 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus --- amymousie wrote: >Places like Canada, New Zealand and Ireland have > Part-15-like rules that allow low-power broadcasting. I'm not sure about Australia,though. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ We have FM lowpower B/C here on 88.1-88.4 and 106.63 to 107.5 at relaxed to cover to 108 and also to 88.1-88.7 (except Auckland) on 1 July this year currently at 300mW going to 500mW on 1/7 Theres none on AM unfortunately In Australia they use 87.6 to 88.9 I think-I'm sure Ian in Melbourne or someone can correct me. As for AM Australia uses the 1611-1701 but for narrowcasting and ethnic programming.(it sounds like a mishmash in NZ at nightime getting the various eastern states) Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 19:31:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84781 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 02:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 02:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 02:31:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20030617023100.33654.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.148] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:31:00 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Did you hear the file? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030617022709.32025.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Sounds great but can't afford a $3600 radio!(Fanfare) Michael --- "John P." wrote: > What did you think of the file: TimeInBottleMP3.mp3 > ?? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 19:46:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91296 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 02:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 02:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 02:46:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 02:46:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:46:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Did you hear the file? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030617023100.33654.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 329 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Sounds great but can't afford a $3600 radio!(Fanfare) Most of us caqn't afford it, either. (I assume Marv's quote wasw US$1800 -- If Canadian $, it would still be about US$1100 or thereabouts. Still too high for most of us.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 19:50:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63301 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 02:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 02:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 02:50:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 02:50:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:50:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1055809602.20748.99024.w48@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 473 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > File : /mp3-usa/VOCM old DX rec from UK with mention of am stereo.mp3 > Uploaded by : amstereofan > Description : As file description rec late 80's ? VOCM is one of the last of Newfoundland's (Canada) legacy broadcasters from the time when Newfoundland was ab independant nation. Actually, I think it's the last VO call left there, now. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Jun 16 20:18:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39175 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 03:18:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 03:18:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 03:18:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 03:18:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:18:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: MCS 3050 C-Quam Tuner Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 85 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Just won an MCS 3050 C-Quam tuner and matching amp. Shall see if it is any good. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Jun 16 20:18:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38158 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 03:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 03:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 03:18:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 03:18:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:18:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MCS 3050 C-Quam Tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 253 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wgliradio" wrote: > Just won an MCS 3050 C-Quam tuner and matching amp. Shall see if it > is any good. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3030175401&category=3280&rd=1 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 20:33:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64134 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 03:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 03:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 03:33:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 03:33:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:33:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MCS 3050 C-Quam Tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1335 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Just won an MCS 3050 C-Quam tuner and matching amp. Shall see if > it is any good. When "hard-wired" to a Select-A-Tenna or Terk AM Advantage loop antenna, the MCS-3050 is an exceptionally sensitive and selective radio, yet with reasonably good fidelity (I think it uses a 6 kHz filter). My MCS-3050 pulls in DX better than any other radio I have -- even car radios. The only real drawbacks are that it only tunes up to 1620 kHz, and its implementation of the MC13020 C-Quam decoder can cause a kind of "crackly" distortion on highly processed/modulated stations. A selectable bandwidth would have been nice, too, although its standard bandwidth is a very good compromise -- pulling in adjacent channel stations in no problem, and yet with a little treble EQ, it sounds very good from stronger AM stations, both mono and Stereo. For a J.C. Penney brand, I am very impressed with the quality of this tuner. In addition to the great performance, it has a very clearly laid-out circuit board, with lines and text labels to identify the RF Front End, AM Stereo, FM Stereo, Audio Output, and Power Supply sections. And for even better performance, literally within minutes of opening the case you can have one of Chris's MC13028 decoder boards soldered in and ready to go, bypassing its built-in MC13020 decoder. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 20:38:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92630 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 03:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 03:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 03:38:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 03:38:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:38:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MCS 3050 C-Quam Tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 435 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Just won an MCS 3050 C-Quam tuner and matching amp. Shall see if > it is any good. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3030175401 That matching amp/EQ looks very nice as well (wish I had one!). Does anybody know what the Japanese OEM for "MCS" was? I think it was something like NEC or Mitsubishi, as "MCS" made some great stuff -- from tuners to turntables, amps, speakers, cassette decks, and the like. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Jun 16 20:41:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99234 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 03:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 03:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 03:41:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 03:41:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:41:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MCS 3050 C-Quam Tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1008 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Just won an MCS 3050 C-Quam tuner and matching amp. Shall see if > > it is any good. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3030175401 > > That matching amp/EQ looks very nice as well (wish I had one!). > > Does anybody know what the Japanese OEM for "MCS" was? I think it > was something like NEC or Mitsubishi, as "MCS" made some great > stuff -- from tuners to turntables, amps, speakers, cassette decks, > and the like. My stepmom had MCS equipment. The AM (althogh not stereo) did have a fairly nice audio response and was VERY sensitive (she lived near WGBB and I marveled, in my early years in radio, how her tuner didn't overload). The FM was quite good as well. What's funny is her old set (1983) was digital and went to 1710! I always thought MCS was well made, and JC PEnny stopped selling electronic equipment before MCS could get crappy like Radio Shack and everyone else did. From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 20:45:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26306 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 03:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 03:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 03:45:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 03:45:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:45:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MCS 3050 C-Quam Tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 788 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.18.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Just won an MCS 3050 C-Quam tuner and matching amp. Shall see if > > it is any good. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3030175401 > > That matching amp/EQ looks very nice as well (wish I had one!). > > Does anybody know what the Japanese OEM for "MCS" was? I think it > was something like NEC or Mitsubishi, as "MCS" made some great > stuff -- from tuners to turntables, amps, speakers, cassette decks, > and the like. In the early days, some of it was made by NEC. The better part of it, especially in later years was Matsushita. I happened to see one in a pawn shop here in Wichita (didn't have the $$$ to get it at the time tho. :( ), and it looked very "panasonicy". From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 21:20:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62182 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 04:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 04:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 04:20:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 04:20:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:20:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Alternate methods of QuAM paper Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 498 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.18.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb I have uploaded the better part of a paper I have written on this subject. While space does not permit me to upload the last 2 pages, there should be enough info for you to get the "meat" of what I am proposing on this. It can be found in the files section in the folder "quampliphase". Instead of taking more time to put it into text format, I have taken the quick (and lazy), and scanned these straight out of my notebook. For your enjoyment and (hopefully positive) criticism. From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 21:43:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3479 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 04:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 04:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 04:43:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 04:43:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:43:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of C-QuAM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3753 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.18.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > wrote: > > in AM stereo for as long as I've known about it. I can remember > > the "myths" (all you need are 2 radios, one tuned below, one above), > > Actually this isn't quite the myth you make it out to be, two radios > will also work as a crude decoder for AM/FM systems, as the developer > of one system suggested. The FM is detected by slope detection, and > the polarity of the L-R signal in "matrixing" is controlled by which > side of the carrier you tune to. Of course the separation depends on > the "slope" vs. the FM deviation, but the separation of Kahn's two > radio decoder also depends on the sharpness of the IF filters. Something I hadn't quite considered, at least until you mentioned it. Especially when I was considering using a slope detector for a simple C-QuAM decoder. > > > Most of us who are so technically inclined know that there are > > different methods for generating (and receiving) an FM stereo signal > > using the present Zenith system. > > 1) L+R is transmitted in baseband, and L-R modulates a double > > sideband carrier supressed subcarrier(?) at 2X the 19KC pilot. > > 2) L and R channels are switched back and forth, one to the other > > at the subcarrier rate. > > Actually method #2 isn't quite that simple, you left out two crucial > steps in the process. If you have a copy of "Audio Anthology 4", you'll find where I got my information. Makes the 2 transistor decoder found in cheep stereos (before ICs were popular in that application), easier to understand. 1 transistor is a composite amp, the other a doubler. The switching is done in the diodes at the end of the decoder. I also own a Yamaha T-70 tuner that does the same thing, albeit with a 4016 analog switch. Was going to use my '13022 in this tuner, but it has a 450KC discriminator. Hmmmm. > > > More on the subject of the forum, I have been working on an > > alternate method for generating the QuAM signal required in the C- > > QuAM system. While space doesn't permit me to outline the details > > for what I've been working on, let me just say that there's really > > nothing new under the AM sun. > > There is plenty of space here, I'm sure many in the group would be > interested in hearing more about your "alternate method for generating > the QuAM signal required in the C- QuAM system." At the very least > why don't you give us some idea of the advantages and disadvantages of > your alternate method, and how it compares with the other "alternate > methods"? > > > Aside to Amy, it is possible to have a C-QuAM receiver that glows > > in the dark. > > I don't think Amy, or anyone else doubted that, have you built one? > > > Remember, the 7360 makes a terrific balanced modulator, > > and there were many other fine tubes that were used for chroma > > demods. > > The 6AR8 will do a similar job, but there are other ways to build a > balanced modulator, which may be better suited to a C-Quam radio that > "glows in the dark." One of the problems with the 7360 is that I > can't see a simple way to get a control signal out of it for the VCO > in the PLL, other balanced modulator circuits seem to work out better > in this respect. Have you figured out a clever way of generating a > control voltage for the VCO using a 7360? > > > That leaves the subject of a "gain modulator". This I leave > > to you. > > A pretty good job of decoding can be done without even using a "gain > modulator". Looks like I'll have to pop the lid on the T-70. (Now let's see. Hmmm. Uhhhh, maybe. Yyyyyes!!!!) > > John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 21:51:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37299 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 04:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 04:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 04:51:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 04:51:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:51:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 850 KFUO goes IBOC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 907 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Below is a message from another radio group. KFUO is a religious station (owned by a Lutheran church) in the St. Louis, MO area. The odd thing is that despite being a Class B station, KFUO is daytime-only -- normally, daytimers are Class D. =================================================================== Name: James F. Date: 6/16/03 5:43 p.m. "209.240.198.62" writes: A local station in town just went IBOC and I'm really ticked off. The station, KFUO AM 850 is taking up 100 kHz of bandwidth. Yes, 100 kHz. I can hear this "digital noise" as low as 800 kHz, and as high as 900 kHz. There's a station on 880 that's located about 35 miles from here that I "used" to enjoy. Not anymore. It is totally wiped out with this "digital interference", (and the Feds thought LPFM would cause interference, ha-ha yeah right). This IBOC has got to go -- it's really, I mean really nasty. James From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 22:03:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10437 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 05:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 05:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 05:03:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 05:03:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:03:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Another building block for AM Stereo that glows in the dark Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1785 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.18.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > Plus, wideband tube tuners provided a cozy spot for a mouse to > > > take a nap, after she has been working on converting it to AM > > > Stereo;) > > > > As a human, part of my enjoyment from using vaccum-tube equipment > is > > the very distinctive "toasted bakelite" smell. In addition to the > > gentle orange glow filtering out through the ventilation holes, > that > > is one characteristic which solid-state radios will never be able > to > > replicate. Same thing with a "magic tuning eye"! > > The "glow in the dark" part could be done with LEDs (but there's some > trade-off), and "magic eye" tubes! I miss those things! Small ones > don't take much voltage, as far as I know, and could be integrated > into a solid-state radio. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ The smallest ones I've seen were in the dial pointers of certain Eico tuners in the late 50's and early 60's. As I recall, these were type DM-70, tho don't quote me on it. What I _do_ know, however, are that they were called "exclamation point" tubes on account of their unique shape. Comparing these to the modern vacuum flourescent display shows a lot of similarity in construction, right down to the use of a directly heated filament. The VF display tho is more efficient in it's use of power, requiring a scant 30-35 volts Ebb. And for a solid state tuner that used a true magic eye tube, 1 comes to mind. The McIntosh MX-113 used one for a multipath indicator. Had a winding on the pwr xfmr for plate voltage. And don't forget the numerous Marantz tuners (and receivers) that used o'scope tubes. The ULTIMATE in magic eye tubes! From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 22:21:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97813 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 05:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 05:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 05:21:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 05:21:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:21:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ignorance on a tangent Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 465 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.18.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb Looking over the publication "Introduction To The Motorola C-QuAM AM Stereo System", I find that, "...any sequence of operations which results in L-R is a valid decoding algorithm. Even non-PLL decoders are allowed since a discriminator, integrator, tangent function sequence results in L-R." Forgive my ignorance here, but discriminators abound, and integrators are used to turn FM into PM. Any suggestions for a good tangent function using an op-amp? From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 22:39:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64530 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 05:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 05:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 05:39:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 05:39:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:39:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ignorance on a tangent Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 776 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.249 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > Looking over the publication "Introduction To The Motorola C- QuAM > AM Stereo System", I find that, "...any sequence of operations which > results in L-R is a valid decoding algorithm. Even non-PLL decoders > are allowed since a discriminator, integrator, tangent function > sequence results in L-R." > Forgive my ignorance here, but discriminators abound, and > integrators are used to turn FM into PM. Any suggestions for a good > tangent function using an op-amp? Although incomplete in the values, you could take a look at US Patent # 4,278,839 from the USPTO.gov website. And yes, it';s a tangent function generator specificly for the decoding of C-QUAM. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 22:57:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15398 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 05:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 05:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 05:57:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 05:57:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:57:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ignorance on a tangent Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 295 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.249 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie To look up a patent issue, just go here: http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm and enter the patent number (in this case, 4,278,839 -with- the commas). I do recommend you click on the "Images" icon near the top for the actuall TIFF scans, which include the schematics. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 23:35:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32977 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 06:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 06:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 06:35:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 06:35:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:35:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ignorance on a tangent Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1002 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.16.186 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > wrote: > > Looking over the publication "Introduction To The Motorola C- > QuAM > > AM Stereo System", I find that, "...any sequence of operations > which > > results in L-R is a valid decoding algorithm. Even non-PLL decoders > > are allowed since a discriminator, integrator, tangent function > > sequence results in L-R." > > Forgive my ignorance here, but discriminators abound, and > > integrators are used to turn FM into PM. Any suggestions for a good > > tangent function using an op-amp? > > Although incomplete in the values, you could take a look at US Patent > # 4,278,839 from the USPTO.gov website. Thanks for the info. Now if I can get my TIFF viewer to work with MSIE, I'll be able to see the diagrams. > > And yes, it';s a tangent function generator specificly for the > decoding of C-QUAM. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jim@burgan.net Mon Jun 16 23:40:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64862 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 06:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 06:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc02.asp.att.net) (204.127.203.184) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 06:40:48 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-233-146.client.insightbb.com[12.221.233.146]) by sccmmhc02.asp.att.net (sccmmhc02) with SMTP id <20030617061202mm2006jk5qe>; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:12:02 +0000 Message-ID: <003001c33497$623a7490$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:12:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >Kevin T. wrote: >WINS was the first to drop Stereo; in 1995, they upgraded and rebuilt >their transmitter site (taking several adjancent-channel stations off >the air, and getting CFRB to accept more interference from them), and >they neglected to include AM Stereo as part of the new transmitter >set-up. They also purchased KLRA (1010) in Little Rock and took it dark to expand their southern lobe. It improved WINS' coverage substantially, but there are a dozen or so daytimers on 1010 with night-time flea power. When WINS did the upgrade in 1995, they increased the noise platform on 1010 subatantially (east of the Mississippi) , ruining the night signals of these daytimers (not that they were owed any protection). From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 23:57:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97049 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 06:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 06:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 06:57:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 06:57:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:57:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ignorance on a tangent Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 492 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.249 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > Thanks for the info. Now if I can get my TIFF viewer to work with > MSIE, I'll be able to see the diagrams. That's why I have been saving them and converting them to GIFs, and plan to bundle them into PDFs and DJVUs. In the meantime, if you have QuicxkTime installed, it acts as a TIFF plug-in for IE. I could probably mail you the GIFs for now, until I do post my AMS patent archives. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 00:29:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29354 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 07:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 07:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 07:29:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 07:29:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:29:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ignorance on a tangent Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 917 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.249 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > wrote: > > > Thanks for the info. Now if I can get my TIFF viewer to work with > > MSIE, I'll be able to see the diagrams. > > That's why I have been saving them and converting them to GIFs, and > plan to bundle them into PDFs and DJVUs. In the meantime, if you have > QuicxkTime installed, it acts as a TIFF plug-in for IE. > > I could probably mail you the GIFs for now, until I do post my AMS > patent archives. Better yet, I put them here: http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/tangent01.gif http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/tangent02.gif http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/tangent03.gif http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/tangent04.gif http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/tangent05.gif http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/tangent06.gif Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Jun 17 00:29:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43273 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 07:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 07:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 07:29:21 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.1c4.b378954 (4340) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c4.b378954.2c201d4c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:29:16 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think they should go with IBOC, period. AM Stereo should be the mandated standard, not IBOC. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 00:47:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68571 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 07:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 07:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 07:47:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 07:47:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:47:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Walmart $5 radio Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 280 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I don't know why, but for some reason my ear thinks I am hearing stereo separation during a baseball game on the AM side of the dial... while operating a weed eater or lawn mower, and wearing headphones inside of ear protectors. Any explanation for why this is happening to me? From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Jun 17 02:49:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96504 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 09:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 09:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay1.softcomca.com) (168.144.1.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 09:49:28 -0000 Received: from M2W081.mail2web.com ([168.144.251.192]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5576); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:49:27 -0400 Message-ID: <123820-22003621794927587@M2W081.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: This sux & question for Scott Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:49:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-Path: jwelton@nautel.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2003 09:49:27.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDF94220:01C334B5] From: "jwelton@nautel.com" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Originating-IP: 24.222.130.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff_welton :Jay commented: >I've never been to Ipswich, but lemme guess: >you're thinking about vacationing there (or >should I say "holiday?!") right? Sounds like it >was fun.=20=20 It was. I was staying in Ipswich and working in Orford Ness (on the east coast). Beautiful countryside! Think I'd need a substantial pay increase to spend any amount of time there, tho'! >I wish I could hear how DRM sounds.=20 There are some older samples online at www.drm.org, and I suspect there will be some newer samples loaded as the inaugural transmissions progress.= =20 The official launch was yesterday. The Orford Ness site on 1296 kHz will be broadcasting daily between the 16th and 19th, from 1900 to 2230 (I think - schedule is on the DRM website). >Isn't it supposed to sound better than IBOC as >well as be compatible w. A.M. Stereo? That's a subjective comparison that I'm not in a position to make, as I've got interests in both! I will say that I was impressed by the quality - there weren't any artifacts that I could detect, listening to speech and some pretty complex musical selections ranging from classical to progressive rock. This was listening to a test broadcast with about a bitrate (as I recall) of around 30k. I like that anyone with an RF front end with 12kHz output connected to their computer can purchase the DRM decoder software for about 50 euros (US$60.00) That puts it into the "affordable" range for most of us. And yes, I don't see any reason why you couldn't broadcast a reasonable quality stereo signal... reducing bitrate to 20kHz didn't degrade audio quality at all, we weren't able to make the receiver at the transmitter site unlock until we dropped 70dB of attenuation into the antenna input. Oh, and the spectrum drops like a rock on the sidebands. At 5kHz from carrier, the spec is -30dB, then 10dB/octave after that, to -60dB at +/-30kHz. I can't say how it performs in hybrid mode, we weren't looking at that, but after last week I'm just may become a convert - pricing RF front ends now! >73 and good to see you still there! Good to still be here! Since the end of April, I've been in Baltimore, Tulsa, Amarillo, Okinawa, Bangkok, all over India, Frankfurt and Ipswich, with more to come... going to be a busy summer!!! :further, the smartest mouse south of the 49th parallel (there are some pretty smart Canadian mice!) stated: >Here is the recording that USED to be on Radio Netherlands' page at: >http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/html/drm_latest.html >of a test transmission from Rampisham, UK as received in=20 >Thessilonika, Greece: >http://www.amstereo.audio- >stream.net/amstereo/files/systems/DAB/DRM/rampisham_stereo.mp3 Coincidentally, this test was run by VT Merlin Communications, who are operating the transmitter I put in last week in Ipswich. Incidentally, there are some 1296 kHz tests on the web (forget where at the moment) that were broadcast on a 500kW 1950's vintage tube transmitter (albeit at a reduced power level), also from the Orford Ness site. I like that the technology can be made compatible with older gear (whoops, lost my manufacturing rep hat - I guess I should be UPSET about that!). The interesting thing is that, as the signal is square waves, transmitter power has to be significantly lower than if it was an analogue signal (for example, our 200kW AM is capable of 80kW in DRM mode), but the models indicate we can put a usable signal into Geneva from the east coast of England with 80kW. Sure couldn't do that with current analogue technology (although what happens after the Symphony chipset and the latest Fanfare products hit the streets remains to be seen). Enough rambling. Regards, Jeff Welton Customer Service Dept. Nautel Ltd. Tel: 902-823-3900, ext. 127 Fax: 902-823-3183 jwelton@nautel.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Tue Jun 17 03:57:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23006 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 10:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 10:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.210) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 10:57:56 -0000 Received: from user-2036.bbd05wfd.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.39.244] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19SE9z-0001eH-SE for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:57:55 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:56:46 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Jeff - Nautel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Jeff, How come to came to the UK to install? I thought one of our service providers, NTL or whoever could handle Nautel installs? What station in Ipswich and what size transmitter? I may be able to hear them here in London at night. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jun 17 07:53:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87059 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 14:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 14:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 14:53:37 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:53:37 -0600 Message-ID: <004c01c334e0$3bfbc420$5401010a@AM> To: References: <20030617022709.32025.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Did you hear the file? Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:53:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heard it and loved it, John. Sounded beautiful as ever. I still can't believe the sound is that clean and clear from that far away. Once again, kudos to Marv at Fanfare. Keep in mind if you want to upload some longer airchecks than what there is space for in the Yahoo files area, there's plenty of room at the amstereoradio.com ftp site. ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com . These little bitty samples are leaving me wanting more :) Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:27 PM Subject: {AMSF} Did you hear the file? What did you think of the file: TimeInBottleMP3.mp3 ?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From droach@direct.ca Tue Jun 17 08:53:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: droach@direct.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49200 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 15:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 15:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes47.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 15:53:34 -0000 Received: from dan.direct.ca ([64.180.122.175]) by priv-edtnes47.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030617155334.BVCR20881.priv-edtnes47.telusplanet.net@dan.direct.ca> for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:53:34 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20030617085856.02bd4d00@mail.direct.ca> X-Sender: droach@direct.ca@mail.direct.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:01:47 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues In-Reply-To: References: <00a801c33412$c0789710$5401010a@AM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Dan Roach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=75892843 X-Yahoo-Profile: rastadudeca Hi there: The original sender was in error. The 4-400C is a medium sized glass tetrode. The C in this case denotes the third version... the C is a ruggedized upgrade of the 'A.' Interestingly enough, the manufacturer still marks a large number of C production with the A label, because many users keep ordering the A, which has not been manufactured for many, many years. And no, I have never seen a 'B' either. Perhaps somone on this list can shed light on that mystery.... D At 01:38 AM 6/17/03 +0000, you wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" < >michaelj@v...> wrote: > > Sure wish it didn't eat tubes the way it does. And honestly folks, > > I find this quite strange, but I STILL have the tubes (Amperex > > ceramic ones---4-400C the number) in there that were put in there > > back when I did the stereo conversion last august. > >I have to admit that I am not up with the contemporary technology, and >don't know what a "4-400C" is? I am only familiar with the old glass >ones. I am having a hard time imagining a "ceramic" 4-400, how they >are constructed, and cooled? Are they a plug in replacement for a 4- >400A, or do they require a new socket and cooling system? > >John > From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 09:00:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98570 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 16:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 16:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 16:00:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 16:00:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:00:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: This sux & question for Scott Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <123820-22003621794927587@M2W081.mail2web.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 259 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.249 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jwelton@n..." wrote: > :further, the smartest mouse south of the 49th parallel (there are some > pretty smart Canadian mice!) stated: I'll take that as a compliment, too! :) *giggle* Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 09:01:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19328 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 16:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 16:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 16:01:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20030617160155.53260.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:01:55 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Interesting Comments from Radio Magazine To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From the pages of the June issue of RADIO magazine: Editor Chriss Scherer writes: “Some believe that IBOC will be another dark chapter in the radio history book, like AM stereo, RBDS, Amax and quad FM. The preface to the closing IBOC chapter may have been written. We'll see if the complete text follows.” Also from the same issue Kevin McNamara writes: "I would suspect that the implementation of AM IBOC would present a major challenge to engineers for many of the same reasons I stated earlier regarding the FM system. The ultimate effects of improperly tuned phasing systems and network components will become apparent quickly. At least IBOC is not being permitted to be used in nighttime operation yet and you can scrap that AM stereo exciter. Also, what will happen when the AM listener is traveling near power lines or a multitude of other noise sources? Does the IBOC receiver blend to static?" What do they mean scrap the AM Stereo exciter? You can use it without IBOC? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 09:04:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72394 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 16:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 16:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 16:04:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 16:04:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:04:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Did you hear the file? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004c01c334e0$3bfbc420$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 699 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.249 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Heard it and loved it, John. Sounded beautiful as ever. I still can't believe the sound is that clean and clear from that far away. Once again, kudos to Marv at Fanfare. Keep in mind if you want to upload some longer airchecks than what there is space for in the Yahoo files area, there's plenty of room at the amstereoradio.com ftp site. ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com . These little bitty samples are leaving me wanting more :) MJR, just remember many of us either forget or don't know the login/password to upload, since it's not an anonymous upload anymore, just for downloading. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jun 17 09:06:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80622 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 16:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 16:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 16:06:31 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:06:30 -0600 Message-ID: <006d01c334ea$6a9ea7c0$5401010a@AM> To: References: <00a801c33412$c0789710$5401010a@AM> <5.1.0.14.1.20030617085856.02bd4d00@mail.direct.ca> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:06:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about that John. Got ya off on the wrong tangent! And thanks for the clarification Dan. No, they ARE glass....I was talking about the thing in the middle (pardon me.....brain isn't working this morning...don't remember the proper name) is ceramic. Otherwise the other Eimac tubes that used to be available had a metal thing in the middle. I'm talking about the thing that houses the filaments. Is that the tetrode? Something like that. Like I said...I'm NOT an engineer....I just know a lot about this stuff. ANYWAY...... I know there was never a 4-400B, although before we put the conversion kit in this transmitter, it used the 4-500B tubes. They were larger and more expensive. I believe the conversion involved changing out a few caps and one of the transformers (the filament transformer?). The 4-400C's are less expensive. The Amperex tubes are about the only ones available. The cheaper "chinese" tubes don't work well. I've had one of them actually melt, another just plain burn out quick. The Amperexes are okay and about all that's left. Other than that, the Eimac 4-400C's were the best, sounded the best, and had the best life. But when Eimac sold their tube division, they quit manufacturing them. I've contacted the company that bought Eimac's tube division and they said they did not, nor plan to start manufactuing the 4-400C's. MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Roach To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:01 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Hi there: The original sender was in error. The 4-400C is a medium sized glass tetrode. The C in this case denotes the third version... the C is a ruggedized upgrade of the 'A.' Interestingly enough, the manufacturer still marks a large number of C production with the A label, because many users keep ordering the A, which has not been manufactured for many, many years. And no, I have never seen a 'B' either. Perhaps somone on this list can shed light on that mystery.... > >I have to admit that I am not up with the contemporary technology, and >don't know what a "4-400C" is? I am only familiar with the old glass >ones. I am having a hard time imagining a "ceramic" 4-400, how they >are constructed, and cooled? Are they a plug in replacement for a 4- >400A, or do they require a new socket and cooling system? > >John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jun 17 09:08:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46269 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 16:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 16:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 16:08:53 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:08:51 -0600 Message-ID: <000701c334ea$be790660$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Did you hear the file? Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:08:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the username and password are both "amstereo" if I remember if that's how I set it. There's been lots of uploads lately. I'm sure someone here on the list can clarify. If not, then I can reset it or something. Either that or I think that I did indeed make it anonymous once again, and just restricted everything to the uploads folder only. I think that's what I did. MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: amymousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:04 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Did you hear the file? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Heard it and loved it, John. Sounded beautiful as ever. I still can't believe the sound is that clean and clear from that far away. Once again, kudos to Marv at Fanfare. Keep in mind if you want to upload some longer airchecks than what there is space for in the Yahoo files area, there's plenty of room at the amstereoradio.com ftp site. ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com . These little bitty samples are leaving me wanting more :) MJR, just remember many of us either forget or don't know the login/password to upload, since it's not an anonymous upload anymore, just for downloading. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jun 17 10:16:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82780 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 17:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 17:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 17:16:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 17:16:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:16:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006d01c334ea$6a9ea7c0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 841 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" < michaelj@v...> wrote: > Sorry about that John. That's OK, al little confusion is good for the soul. > No, they ARE glass....I was talking about the thing in the middle > (pardon me.....brain isn't working this morning...don't remember the > proper name) is ceramic. Otherwise the other Eimac tubes that used > to be available had a metal thing in the middle. I'm talking about > the thing that houses the filaments. Is that the tetrode? You mean the thing that hangs down from the nipple on the top? I believe that's the Anode/Plate, whichever you choose to call it. The extra grid makes it a tetrode. Are you sure it is ceramic, or could it be Graphite? I believe some may also have been made of tantalum, although that may also be a metal as far as I know. John From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jun 17 10:50:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7373 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 17:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 17:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 17:50:33 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.76]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:50:33 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:50:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit GRAPHITE!!! YES! That is it John! Geez...my brain needs an overhaul. Sorry for all the confusion. YES, the amperex tubes have a graphite center instead of a metal center. Now you know why I'm not an engineer. I can't even get the terminology right. I just know what kinds of tubes we gotta get and the ones that I'd LIKE to have aren't made anymore. So the graphite ones are the best we can do. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: bta_50g [mailto:jbyrns@rcn.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:16 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" < michaelj@v...> wrote: > Sorry about that John. That's OK, al little confusion is good for the soul. > No, they ARE glass....I was talking about the thing in the middle > (pardon me.....brain isn't working this morning...don't remember the > proper name) is ceramic. Otherwise the other Eimac tubes that used > to be available had a metal thing in the middle. I'm talking about > the thing that houses the filaments. Is that the tetrode? You mean the thing that hangs down from the nipple on the top? I believe that's the Anode/Plate, whichever you choose to call it. The extra grid makes it a tetrode. Are you sure it is ceramic, or could it be Graphite? I believe some may also have been made of tantalum, although that may also be a metal as far as I know. John Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From droach@direct.ca Tue Jun 17 11:06:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: droach@direct.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5444 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 18:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 18:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 18:06:28 -0000 Received: from dan.direct.ca ([64.180.122.175]) by priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030617180626.FEB21498.priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net@dan.direct.ca> for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:06:26 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20030617110647.02bd9c60@mail.direct.ca> X-Sender: droach@direct.ca@mail.direct.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:14:36 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues In-Reply-To: <006d01c334ea$6a9ea7c0$5401010a@AM> References: <00a801c33412$c0789710$5401010a@AM> <5.1.0.14.1.20030617085856.02bd4d00@mail.direct.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Dan Roach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=75892843 X-Yahoo-Profile: rastadudeca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ya, last time I checked the 4-500 was about 4 times the cost of the 4-400. Main difference is the filament voltage. The part you can see attached to the plate cap is--wait for it--the plate. Not ceramic because it needs to conduct electricity. Eimac's glass tube division was sold off as "Proton," tried for a year or so to make the 4-400C, never could get it right. I agree, the Eimac's were very good when they were still available. English Electric made a similar tube that was quite good too--now all gone but Amperex (French Freedom tubes) and the Chinese. There ya go, more than anyone needs to know about the 4-400 and its brothers and sisters... Dan At 10:06 AM 6/17/03 -0600, you wrote: >Sorry about that John. Got ya off on the wrong tangent! And thanks for >the clarification Dan. No, they ARE glass....I was talking about the >thing in the middle (pardon me.....brain isn't working this >morning...don't remember the proper name) is ceramic. Otherwise the other >Eimac tubes that used to be available had a metal thing in the >middle. I'm talking about the thing that houses the filaments. Is that >the tetrode? Something like that. Like I said...I'm NOT an engineer....I >just know a lot about this stuff. ANYWAY...... >I know there was never a 4-400B, although before we put the conversion kit >in this transmitter, it used the 4-500B tubes. They were larger and more >expensive. I believe the conversion involved changing out a few caps and >one of the transformers (the filament transformer?). The 4-400C's are >less expensive. The Amperex tubes are about the only ones available. The >cheaper "chinese" tubes don't work well. I've had one of them actually >melt, another just plain burn out quick. The Amperexes are okay and about >all that's left. Other than that, the Eimac 4-400C's were the best, >sounded the best, and had the best life. But when Eimac sold their tube >division, they quit manufacturing them. I've contacted the company that >bought Eimac's tube division and they said they did not, nor plan to start >manufactuing the 4-400C's. > >MJR n WYO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan Roach > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:01 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues > > > Hi there: > > The original sender was in error. The 4-400C is a medium sized glass > tetrode. The > C in this case denotes the third version... the C is a ruggedized upgrade > of the 'A.' > Interestingly enough, the manufacturer still marks a large number of C > production with > the A label, because many users keep ordering the A, which has not been > manufactured > for many, many years. And no, I have never seen a 'B' either. Perhaps > somone on this > list can shed light on that mystery.... > > > > > >I have to admit that I am not up with the contemporary technology, and > >don't know what a "4-400C" is? I am only familiar with the old glass > >ones. I am having a hard time imagining a "ceramic" 4-400, how they > >are constructed, and cooled? Are they a plug in replacement for a 4- > >400A, or do they require a new socket and cooling system? > > > >John > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT >3dd610f.jpg >3dd614b.jpg > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jun 17 11:12:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24453 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 18:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 18:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 18:12:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 18:12:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:12:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ignorance on a tangent Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1573 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.154 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > Looking over the publication "Introduction To The Motorola C-QuAM > AM Stereo System", I find that, "...any sequence of operations which > results in L-R is a valid decoding algorithm. Sounds like an interesting paper, that would make a good addition to the files section of the group. > Even non-PLL decoders > are allowed since a discriminator, integrator, tangent function > sequence results in L-R." Don't you need to multiply the output of the discriminator/integrator by the envelope amplitude before taking the tangent? That is assuming that the discriminator is preceded by a limiter, if it isn't then you do get a multiplication by the envelope amplitude, but the integrator is now working on the product of the envelope amplitude and the derivative of the angle, which I assume will create an error term. I still haven't gotten around to looking this up in a Calculus text to see exactly what kind of error this creates. > Forgive my ignorance here, but discriminators abound, and > integrators are used to turn FM into PM. Any suggestions for a good > tangent function using an op-amp? Don't forget the envelope term! As far as the tangent goes, my brief investigation of this a month or so ago seemed to indicate that for a simple decoder the tangent function was not necessary, and the distortion was tolerably low, at least if the station is not really pushing the processing hard, "matrix" processing I think they call it on this group. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jun 17 11:16:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49582 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 18:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 18:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 18:16:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 18:16:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:16:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ignorance on a tangent Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 681 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.154 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > Although incomplete in the values, you could take a look at US > Patent # 4,278,839 from the USPTO.gov website. > > And yes, it';s a tangent function generator specificly for the > decoding of C-QUAM. I used to work with the inventor of that circuit back in 1967, if there is real interest I could try and look him up to see if he has any additional information on it, although at this late date I suspect that he wouldn't have anymore than is in the patent. It looks like a simple piece-wise linear approximation circuit to me, the resistor values ought to be easy enough to work out. John From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Jun 17 15:42:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51055 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 22:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 22:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 22:42:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 22:42:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:42:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DRM Sample sites Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 220 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.56.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan 2 good ones one from Ian's part of the world the other mine http://www.owdjim.gen.nz/chris/radio/DRM/DRM.html http://www.addx.de/drm/drmclips.php The AM/MW stereo one sounds good! :- http://www.addx.org/drm/531a.mp3 From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Jun 17 16:25:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82480 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 23:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 23:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 23:25:37 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.19b.16ac4afe (4116) for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19b.16ac4afe.2c20fd6b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:25:31 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 850 KFUO goes IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I noted the IBOC sidebands on KFUO 850...it's wiping out everything from 820 to 870 kHz; white noise has been noted on WCBW 880 Highland, IL. This has been noted on my Jensen AM Mono/FM Stereo car radio and on my General Electric Superadio III. Highland is actually located 25 miles ENE of downtown St. Louis. My QTH is located 10 miles from the KFUO transmitter site, located on the campus of Concordia Lutheran Seminary in Clayton, MO. As far as I know, KFUO-FM 99.1 (it's co-owned FM station featuring Classical music) is not operating IBOC. I'm glad it wasn't KMOX broadcasting IBOC...otherwise, it would have wiped out everything from 1090 to 1170! As far as sound quality is concerned, the analog audio of KFUO is, at best, muddy. Crawford's KJSL 630 and KSTL 690 have far superior sound quality, even in mono. Before the IBOC equipment went in, KFUO had decent sound quality. At least the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod hasn't yet desecrated the FM with low-quality IBOC. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Jun 17 16:34:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98819 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2003 23:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2003 23:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 23:31:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2003 23:31:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:31:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ignorance on a tangent Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3308 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" =20 > wrote: > > Looking over the publication "Introduction To The Motorola C-QuAM=20 > > AM Stereo System", I find that, "...any sequence of operations which=20 > > results in L-R is a valid decoding algorithm. >=20 > Sounds like an interesting paper, that would make a good addition to=20 > the files section of the group. >=20 > > Even non-PLL decoders=20 > > are allowed since a discriminator, integrator, tangent function=20 > > sequence results in L-R." >=20 > Don't you need to multiply the output of the discriminator/integrator=20 > by the envelope amplitude before taking the tangent? That is assuming=20 > that the discriminator is preceded by a limiter, if it isn't then you=20 > do get a multiplication by the envelope amplitude, but the integrator=20 > is now working on the product of the envelope amplitude and the=20 > derivative of the angle, which I assume will create an error term.=20 I=20 > still haven't gotten around to looking this up in a Calculus text to=20 > see exactly what kind of error this creates. >=20 > > Forgive my ignorance here, but discriminators abound, and=20 > > integrators are used to turn FM into PM. Any suggestions for a good=20 > > tangent function using an op-amp? >=20 > Don't forget the envelope term! As far as the tangent goes, my brief=20 > investigation of this a month or so ago seemed to indicate that for a=20 > simple decoder the tangent function was not necessary, and the=20 > distortion was tolerably low, at least if the station is not really=20 > pushing the processing hard, "matrix" processing I think they call it=20 > on this group. >=20 > John Yes you do need to multiply the Tan=D8 signal by the envelope for proper decoding. While a freq discriminator and an intergrator can be used to derive the PM the intergrator does not pass DC and=20 the phase conponent without being envelope modulated is DC unbalanced for a regular QuAM type signal. Since the area underneath the curve of the limited PM component i.e. not being remodulated by the=20 envelope, is unbalanced the PM signal will seek to become balanced as it passes through the intergrator. To see what the phase term looks like during heavy single channel modulation here is a pix: http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/PhasePlot.gif As you can see the area underneath the positive swing of the phase is much less than on the negative swing. It is important that proper DC balance be maintained during remodulating of the envelope. If not distortion will result. Also if you notice the PM for a ISB signal is balanced and would not be an issue. Proper DC balanced is restored when remodulated by the envelope. This is why Motorola decoders always obtained the L-R term after cosine correction for the PLL loop filter for better stereo recovery. Now if you realy wanted to use the freq disc and intergrator you would also need to employ a DC balance loop filter thad would send a correction voltage back to the input of the intergrator to obtain proper decoding. Since a loop filter would be needed anyway you might as well use a PLL as the complexity would be about the same. Here is my approach using a PLL. http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/SimpleCQuAMDecoder.gif JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 17:24:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28204 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 00:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 00:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 00:24:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 00:23:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:23:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Did you hear the file? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c334ea$be790660$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1146 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There's been lots of uploads lately. I'm sure someone here on the > list can clarify. Yes, there have been a lot of uploads, but they are all legitimate AM Stereo recordings, and very high-quality ones, too, from Japan: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/ I'd love to know what receiver was used; the audio bandwidth varies between 10 and 15 kHz, depending on how the MP3 file was encoded, and it has a very sharp 9 kHz notch filter to cut out the adjacent carrier whistle. Some of the recordings were apparently made at night, as adjacent channel "chatter" is evident in the background. Still, the quality is excellent, with treble response very accurately matched to whatever pre-emphasis curve was used, and wide Stereo separation, with low distortion. If the person who uploaded these files is in this group, could you please fill us in with some details about them? I.e., when and where they were recorded, and what receiver was used? And p.s., thanks for using LAME with high-quality VBR... that's how all MP3 files should be encoded. They may take a bit longer to download, but the extra quality is well worth it. From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jun 17 17:37:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28192 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 00:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 00:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 00:37:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 00:37:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:36:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of QuAM paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2895 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > I have uploaded the better part of a paper I have written on this > subject. While space does not permit me to upload the last 2 pages, > there should be enough info for you to get the "meat" of what I am > proposing on this. It can be found in the files section in the > folder "quampliphase". Instead of taking more time to put it into > text format, I have taken the quick (and lazy), and scanned these > straight out of my notebook. For your enjoyment and (hopefully > positive) criticism. My major criticism is that you left us hanging 4/5 of the way through your paper, just at the point where it appeared things were about to get interesting. You should badger Kevin to make room for posting the final installment in the files section. Or you could modify the jpgs, as I was able to do, to cut their size in half by converting the gray background grid to a solid white. On the last page of the chapters you did post, you had just finished morphing the QUAM diagram, from the first page, into a variant of the QUAM diagram that many C-QUAM papers start with, either two full carrier AM transmitters with their carriers at 90 degrees, one feed with the Left channel signal, and the other with the Right channel signal, and the outputs of the two transmitters mixed together to create the QUAM signal, or a minor variant with two balanced modulators, one for the Left, and the other for the Right, with carriers at 90 degrees, and an un-modulated carrier at 45 degrees, all mixed together to create the "QUAM" output. Your 4 input summer seems to be a slight variant on this latter approach mixing in two carriers at zero and 90 degrees, which could either be replaced by one at 45 degrees, or could be considered to be the first approach I mentioned if you consider each carrier to be associated with the signal from the balanced modulator that it also feeds, creating two full carrier AM signals. I am left wondering where you went with this, and if it ties in with your original title which was "Alternate methods of C-QuAM", and/or with the Ampliphase transmitter. I have often wondered if there might be a clever way to use the two RF chains in the Ampliphase transmitter, with a new exciter, to generate a C-QUAM signal in a new and clever way, but I haven't really tried to follow through on the idea. I am very curious where you go with the rest of your paper, do you finally generate a C-QUAM signal? Do you generate either a QUAM or a C-QUAM signal in a way that it can drive the two RF chains in an Ampliphase transmitter directly? Looking forward to the next installment. Anyone who wants to know more about the RCA Ampliphase transmitters can find additional information at this URL: http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/Ampliphase.html John From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Jun 17 18:52:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89596 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 01:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 01:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (207.169.189.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 01:52:00 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy.eds.com [192.85.216.78]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h5I1pxw20738 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:51:59 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5I1pv617240 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:51:57 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5I1ptV17230 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:51:56 +1000 (EST) Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:51:55 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F4701B@aubwm206> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Motorola AM Stereo Exciter - $975 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:51:46 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day, I've been in contact with Martin at Transcom regarding the Motorola CQUAM exciter they have advertised on their fmamtv.com site. He said he would take $975 which he feels is a good price - anyone who is interested for their station, please feel free to contact him via email on: transcom@fmamtv.com - it's out of my price range unfortunately. I guess it's not bad if it's a working and tested unit ....? Cheers, Matt From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 19:19:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4164 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 02:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 02:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 02:19:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 02:19:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:19:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of QuAM paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3754 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.18.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > wrote: =snip= > > My major criticism is that you left us hanging 4/5 of the way through > your paper, just at the point where it appeared things were about to > get interesting. You should badger Kevin to make room for posting the > final installment in the files section. Or you could modify the jpgs, > as I was able to do, to cut their size in half by converting the gray > background grid to a solid white. Not a bad idea really, at least until I can format the thing to a more space-friendly format. > > On the last page of the chapters you did post, you had just finished > morphing the QUAM diagram, from the first page, into a variant of the > QUAM diagram that many C-QUAM papers start with, either two full > carrier AM transmitters with their carriers at 90 degrees, one feed > with the Left channel signal, and the other with the Right channel > signal, and the outputs of the two transmitters mixed together to > create the QUAM signal, or a minor variant with two balanced > modulators, one for the Left, and the other for the Right, with > carriers at 90 degrees, and an un-modulated carrier at 45 degrees, all > mixed together to create the "QUAM" output. Your 4 input summer seems > to be a slight variant on this latter approach mixing in two carriers > at zero and 90 degrees, which could either be replaced by one at 45 > degrees, or could be considered to be the first approach I mentioned > if you consider each carrier to be associated with the signal from the > balanced modulator that it also feeds, creating two full carrier AM > signals. > If the paper shows anything, it's a journey to exactly what you mentioned. On the 9th page, I wind up with 2 AM signals in quadrature, though the phasor assignments are reversed for the left and right channels. It occured to me that with the 2 Armstrong modulators connected in such a way, the 90 deg carrier generator for the left channel modulator provides an in phase carrier for the right channel modulator, and vice versa. It's an alternate way for looking at the same thing. Like the drawing that's either a vase or 2 faces. This look is what made me consider "2 am modulator" arrangement. With that, I had to ask myself, "what took me so long to get there?!" > I am left wondering where you went with this, and if it ties in with > your original title which was "Alternate methods of C-QuAM", and/or > with the Ampliphase transmitter. I have often wondered if there might > be a clever way to use the two RF chains in the Ampliphase > transmitter, with a new exciter, to generate a C-QUAM signal in a new > and clever way, but I haven't really tried to follow through on the > idea. I am very curious where you go with the rest of your paper, do > you finally generate a C-QUAM signal? Do you generate either a QUAM > or a C-QUAM signal in a way that it can drive the two RF chains in an > Ampliphase transmitter directly? Looking forward to the next > installment. Feeding an ampliphase arrangement is really what I was after in the first place. The only thing is, what extra "bistromath" would we have to get the drive regulator to do with such a weird signal, at least as far as the ampliphase is concerned. Weird in the sense that avg carrier has the phases 90 deg apart instead of 135. This is, however an ongoing work. > > Anyone who wants to know more about the RCA Ampliphase transmitters > can find additional information at this URL: > http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/Ampliphase.html > One of the sources for my reference. (thanks!) > John From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 19:36:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91611 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 02:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 02:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 02:36:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 02:36:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:36:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ignorance on a tangent Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1071 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.16.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > > wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the info. Now if I can get my TIFF viewer to work with > > > MSIE, I'll be able to see the diagrams. > > > > That's why I have been saving them and converting them to GIFs, and > > plan to bundle them into PDFs and DJVUs. In the meantime, if you > have > > QuicxkTime installed, it acts as a TIFF plug-in for IE. > > > > I could probably mail you the GIFs for now, until I do post my AMS > > patent archives. > > Better yet, I put them here: > > http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/tangent01.gif > http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/tangent02.gif > http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/tangent03.gif > http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/tangent04.gif > http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/tangent05.gif > http://www.geocities.com/amymousie/tangent06.gif > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Thanks. UR2 kind. :) From baansy@yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 19:39:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52571 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 02:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 02:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41808.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.142) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 02:39:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20030618023937.2535.qmail@web41808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.174.40.26] by web41808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:39:37 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is there AM STEREO in BENDIGO? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ANDREW BAANS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Streaky bay is on the Eyre peninsular. As for 5MU Murray Bridge I am disappointed they are not broadcasting in stereo any more as I listen to them all the time. 5MU can be received very clearly from Adelaide on any half decent AM radio. I actually got a very good reply from 5MU about AM STEREO, it should still be some where in the AM STEREO archives. 3AK is 1116 is to close to 5MU 1125 so there is quite alot of interferance. 5AN has a 50KW transmitter. Ian Davidson wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, baansy wrote: > From Adelaide South Australia at night time I can receive a few AM > STEREO STAIONS from NSW, ACT and VICTORIA. > > 3UZ "SPORT 927" lights the stereo light. Tuning up to 945khz I've > noticed the stereo light also comes on. This station is called "SPORT > 927" for BENDIGO area. > > On a clear night 1053 2CA CANBERRA I can receive in stereo. I guess you can't pick up Magic 693 as 5SY - Streaky Bay is on the same frequency. Where is Streaky Bay? What about 3AK on 1116? It's still broadcasting in stereo with no pilot. > AM STEREO has been forgotten about in SOUTH AUSTRALIA. 5DN was the > last AM STEREO station here. They turned off their AM STEREO > several years ago now. What about 5MU - Murray Bridge? I believe they were a great AMS station with the same power output as Adelaide stations. 5AN (ABC-891) comes into Melbourne each night like a local. Ian Melbourne Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Tue Jun 17 20:59:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93194 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 03:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 03:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 03:59:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 03:59:34 -0000 Date: 18 Jun 2003 03:59:34 -0000 Message-ID: <1055908774.388809.51334.w84@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-intl/jokrtest.mp3 Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Recording of the AM Stereo audio test pattern used by JOKR 954 kHz (TBS Radio) in Tokyo, Japan (100,000 watts). You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-intl/jokrtest.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 21:01:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98026 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 04:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 04:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 04:01:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 04:01:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 04:01:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Did you hear the file? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2650 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > There's been lots of uploads lately. I'm sure someone here on the > > list can clarify. > > Yes, there have been a lot of uploads, but they are all legitimate > AM Stereo recordings, and very high-quality ones, too, from Japan: > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/ 224MB of excellent files! Of interest is the DX recording of JOHR, Sapporo, Hokkaido, Japan in .ogg format- 100 minutes from fade-in to 20dB over 8.. ;) And the JOKR (Tokyo) tests.. :) > I'd love to know what receiver was used; the audio bandwidth varies > between 10 and 15 kHz, depending on how the MP3 file was encoded, and > it has a very sharp 9 kHz notch filter to cut out the adjacent > carrier whistle. Good question- I was thinking the same, too, since this is the SECOND- bewst receiver I've heard samples from (Marv's Omega-equipped tuner is the best, bar none), with great bass (in one of the JOHR MP3s, the bass is clearly in the right channel) and clear highs, with great separation (except for the fact these VBR files sound like they're encoded in joint stereo, as this gets mixed into the center if dominant. I prefer descreet stereo). And the low noise on strong DX signals makes it rival FM stereo at it's best. :) > Some of the recordings were apparently made at night, as adjacent > channel "chatter" is evident in the background. Still, the quality > is excellent, with treble response very accurately matched to > whatever pre-emphasis curve was used, and wide Stereo separation, > with low distortion. I would put it within 50 miles of Tokyo- And Sapporo is a good 800 miles north of Tokyo! > If the person who uploaded these files is in this group, could you > please fill us in with some details about them? I.e., when and where > they were recorded, and what receiver was used? The person is in this group-- The clue? The AFN Tokyo recordings. Since we've had a little discussion on AFN (because of UK Dave's DX recording of AFN Germany), and that therre are some regional differences. Koji? These yours? > And p.s., thanks for using LAME with high-quality VBR... that's how > all MP3 files should be encoded. They may take a bit longer to > download, but the extra quality is well worth it. Actually, about the same as most MP3s of these bitrates, but VBR sounds far, far better than straight CBR. :) Almost all the Japanese MP3s have been VBR over the last year or so. It was one of these earlier ones that proved that my pocket 'puter's non-MS MP3 player can handle VBR- I would never had known otherwise. :) Amy. <:3 )~~9~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 21:17:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99347 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 04:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 04:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 04:17:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 04:17:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 04:17:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ignorance on a tangent Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 239 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: =snip= > Thanks. UR2 kind. :) I try.. :) You're welcome. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 21:25:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90320 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 04:25:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 04:25:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 04:25:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 04:25:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 04:25:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Did you hear the file? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1563 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Good question- I was thinking the same, too, since this is the > SECOND-best receiver I've heard samples from (Marv's Omega-equipped > tuner is the best, bar none) BTW, a glance at the ID3-v2 tags reveals one secret: "IF-BW : 28kHz/-6dB, MC13022" All of the recordings were made using this IF bandwidth, which equates to an audio bandwidth of 14 kHz -- even wider than the 12.5 kHz filter that the classic Sony SRF-A100 uses. This makes for excellent hi-fi audio, at the expense of selectivity, of course. The JOHR recordings are tagged as being skywave reception, with the MC13022 decoder operating in QUAM mode. Also, apparently the decoder's Stereo Blend feature is bypassed as well, as it quickly pops in and out of stereo mode without any blending to smoothen out the transition or reduce platform motion. JOLF and JOHR appear to be transmitting about a 12 to 13 kHz audio bandwidth, which is surprisingly wide. I thought Japan would have abided by the same NRSC-like 9 kHz audio limit as Australia, but I guess they have different priorities when it comes to protecting adjacent- and second-adjacent-channel stations. JOHR is also clearly processing their audio with an expanded Stereo effect, either by a passive L-R boost or by a more sophisticated device like a Modulation Sciences "StereoMaxx". Either way, it gives them a distinctly "spacious" sound. Great stuff... now, if Japan would only continue manufacturing AM Stereo-equipped radios, so at least their own people can listen to this excellent high-fidelity broadcasting! From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jun 17 22:15:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66372 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 05:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 05:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.244.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 05:15:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:15:48 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav32.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 05:15:47 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: Delta ASE-1 /\/\ CQuAM Exciter Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:15:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2003 05:15:48.0043 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD7B29B0:01C33558] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This exciter is just that, you need to integrate it into a transmitter. it puts out a extremely low level signal. I wouldn't go messing up your USI or Hamilton for this thing.I have all the info on the ASE-1, if I can PDF it small enough I will post it to the group in about a week and if there is interest in me doing so. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis 88.3 FM Stereo AM 1610 Real Community Radio!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 22:16:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1299 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 05:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 05:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 05:16:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 05:16:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 05:16:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Did you hear the file? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2714 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Good question- I was thinking the same, too, since this is the > > SECOND-best receiver I've heard samples from (Marv's Omega- equipped > > tuner is the best, bar none) > > BTW, a glance at the ID3-v2 tags reveals one secret: > > "IF-BW : 28kHz/-6dB, MC13022" > > All of the recordings were made using this IF bandwidth, which > equates to an audio bandwidth of 14 kHz -- even wider than the > 12.5 kHz filter that the classic Sony SRF-A100 uses. This makes for > excellent hi-fi audio, at the expense of selectivity, of course. I suspect the radio in question may be either hand-made or modified. > The JOHR recordings are tagged as being skywave reception, with the > MC13022 decoder operating in QUAM mode. Also, apparently the > decoder's Stereo Blend feature is bypassed as well, as it quickly > pops in and out of stereo mode without any blending to smoothen out > the transition or reduce platform motion. I hate stereo blending! Even if it's right in the din of noise, give me stereo or it's not worth my time and my mousie ears. :) > JOLF and JOHR appear to be transmitting about a 12 to 13 kHz audio > bandwidth, which is surprisingly wide. I thought Japan would have > abided by the same NRSC-like 9 kHz audio limit as Australia, but I > guess they have different priorities when it comes to protecting > adjacent- and second-adjacent-channel stations. Another factor to think of: The band may not be anywhere as crowded as what we're used to here in America. Found that out with a couple bandscans from Thailand recorded around midnight, local time, a couple years back. > JOHR is also clearly processing their audio with an expanded Stereo > effect, either by a passive L-R boost or by a more sophisticated > device like a Modulation Sciences "StereoMaxx". Either way, it > gives them a distinctly "spacious" sound. The compression gives no hint of "punching" or obvious AGC in action. > Great stuff... now, if Japan would only continue manufacturing > AM Stereo-equipped radios, so at least their own people can listen > to this excellent high-fidelity broadcasting! I'm not sure just what the market is like, but at least in Japan, they were still marketing home tuners, stereo systems and pocket radios until very recently- Not just car radios. Japaqnese AM stations are all either JO?R or JO?F, or 52 possible AM broadcasters over a 2000-mile-long country, and 18 of them are C-QUAM stereo, or in practical terms, about half of all AM broadcasters in Japan are stereo- An amazing feat these days. :) And recordings like these show just how good AM stereo is! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jwelton@nautel.com Wed Jun 18 03:20:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44213 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 10:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 10:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.25.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 10:20:31 -0000 Received: FROM jeff BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Wed Jun 18 07:23:50 2003 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:19:47 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Jeff - Nautel Message-ID: <3EF0128C.10995.1FDB21@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1055908912.1594.98057.m8@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff_welton Philip asked: > How come to came to the UK to install? > I thought one of our service providers, NTL or whoever could handle > Nautel installs? Yeah, but we offer commissioning service as an option with transmitter purchases and on a transmitter that expensive it adds up to pretty cheap insurance to make certain the installation goes as smoothly as possible. > What station in Ipswich and what size transmitter? Station is actually near Orford, in Orford Ness, on 1296kHz. It's an NA200 (200kW capable) running DRM with about 80kW of carrier power into a two segment array that acts like a Yagi, focusing the signal toward Europe. There are six aerials in two arrays of three, with the centre tower in each array configured as a unipole and the outer aerials acting as parisitic reflectors (not electrically connected). First time I've ever come across that particular configuration. Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Jun 18 04:39:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31110 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 11:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 11:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 11:39:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 11:39:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:39:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Jeff - Nautel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EF0128C.10995.1FDB21@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 307 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 213.121.68.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan > Station is actually near Orford, in Orford Ness, on 1296kHz. It's an NA200 > (200kW capable) running DRM with about 80kW of carrier power into a two segment > array that acts like a Yagi, focusing the signal toward Europe. There are six DRM stereo also at times I read on the www.drmx.org forum From watan-ko@h4.dion.ne.jp Wed Jun 18 07:08:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@h4.dion.ne.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69577 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 14:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 14:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hfep05.dion.ne.jp) (203.181.105.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 14:08:42 -0000 Received: from koji ([210.198.228.94]) by hfep05.dion.ne.jp with ESMTP id <20030618140841661.URCW@hfep05.dion.ne.jp> for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:08:41 +0900 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Did you hear the file? References: <1055925559.920.67908.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1055925559.920.67908.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: <200306182308.EGJ81777.BP-LXBUO@h4.dion.ne.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.42 PL2] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:08:41 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Koji WATANABE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67253313 X-Yahoo-Profile: irukero Dear Members, Japanese AM radio stations' call letters are JO**. Not all of them end by R or F. For example, Chugoku Housou's call letters is JOEO. Also, CBC Toyohashi is JOSM and its Takayama station is JOSN. The number of Japanese commercial broadcasters is 49 and the number of AMS broadcasters is 16. Also, in Japan, too, we have only two radios which handle with AMS. It's a very sad thing. Plus, we don't have AMS capable car radios now. The only hope is that some of the HiFi tuner have AMS. Sincerely, Koji Watanabe Shiga, Japan From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jun 18 07:10:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68983 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 14:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 14:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 14:10:49 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:10:48 -0600 Message-ID: <001701c335a3$6b42ff00$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE-1 /\/\ CQuAM Exciter Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:10:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please do Rev. Chrysafis. I've got a project going on with a Delta exciter and it'd be great to have the info. Is the frequency crystal-controlled like in the Motorola exciter? Just curious. Looking forward to the .pdf file. Also, keep in mind we have the ftp.amstereoradio.com site where there's no space limitation like in the "files" area of yahoo. You could upload it there, even if it is several megabytes. It'd be a great help. I don't have any experience with the Delta exciters so it'll be better than working blind. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:15 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE-1 /\/\ CQuAM Exciter This exciter is just that, you need to integrate it into a transmitter. it puts out a extremely low level signal. I wouldn't go messing up your USI or Hamilton for this thing.I have all the info on the ASE-1, if I can PDF it small enough I will post it to the group in about a week and if there is interest in me doing so. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis 88.3 FM Stereo AM 1610 Real Community Radio!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 09:32:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76419 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 16:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 16:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 16:32:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 16:32:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:32:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Did you hear the file? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200306182308.EGJ81777.BP-LXBUO@h4.dion.ne.jp> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 974 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Koji WATANABE wrote: > Dear Members, > > Japanese AM radio stations' call letters are JO**. Not all of them end > by R or F. For example, Chugoku Housou's call letters is JOEO. Also, CBC > Toyohashi is JOSM and its Takayama station is JOSN. Thank you for clearing that up, Koji. > The number of Japanese commercial broadcasters is 49 and the number of > AMS broadcasters is 16. That is still a far greater proportion of AMS stations than in most countries that have or had AMS- Even here in the US at its peak. > Also, in Japan, too, we have only two radios which handle with AMS. > It's a very sad thing. Plus, we don't have AMS capable car radios now. > > The only hope is that some of the HiFi tuner have AMS. Seems rather odd that there would have been so many just a couple years ago, and so few today. And as far as I know, the Toshiba AMS chip is still readily available. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 09:43:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7969 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 16:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 16:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 16:43:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 16:43:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:43:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ignorance on a tangent Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 665 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 66.140.172.178 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > > wrote: > > =snip= > > > Thanks. UR2 kind. :) > > I try.. :) You're welcome. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Looking over the patent, and especially at fig 2, wondering if an op-amp circuit couldn't be used. Sort of a 3 tiered feedback. The 1st resistive, and the other 2 using diodes. 1 tier germanium, 1 tier silicon, or a combination thereof. Aparently he's using the resistors to set the "breakover points" on the curve. From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jun 18 11:29:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47261 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 18:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 18:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 18:29:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 18:29:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:29:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ignorance on a tangent Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2739 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.206 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: >=20 > Yes you do need to multiply the Tan=D8 signal by the envelope > for proper decoding. While a freq discriminator and an intergrator > can be used to derive the PM the intergrator does not pass DC and=20 > the phase conponent without being envelope modulated is DC=20 > unbalanced for a regular QuAM type signal. At first I was wondering what you meant by saying the "intergrator=20 does not pass DC", but then I realized that what you mean is simply=20 another way of looking at an integrator effect I have been worrying=20 over. If you could build a perfect integrator, it would opperate on=20 DC perfectly well, but in addition to the problems of building a=20 perfect integrator, there is the problem of the initial conditions for=20 the integrator. If the integrator is not initialized with the proper=20 conditions, then there will be a constant error term in its output=20 which will be multiplied by the envelope and create decoding errors. One way to side step the problem of building a perfect integrator, as=20 well as the initial conditions problem, is to build a less than=20 perfect "leaky" integrator. The problem with that solution is that it=20 does not act as an integrator at low frequencies. Your statement that=20 the "intergrator does not pass DC" seems to be another way of saying=20 the same thing. Your statement was confusing to me at first because=20 the less than perfect integrator does pass DC, the problem is that=20 while it does actually pass DC, it doesn't integrate DC properly. > Since the area underneath the curve > of the limited PM component i.e. not being remodulated by the=20 > envelope, is unbalanced the PM signal will seek to become balanced > as it passes through the intergrator. To see what the phase term > looks like during heavy single channel modulation here is a pix: >=20 > http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/PhasePlot.gif >=20 > As you can see the area underneath the positive swing of the phase > is much less than on the negative swing. It looks like the single channel signal depicted in "PhasePlot.gif"=20 was processed by a so called "matrix" processor, as the maximum phase=20 angle exceeds 70 degrees. With straight Left and Right channel=20 processing the phase angle should max. out at 45 degrees, although I=20 don't suppose that is realistic in the modern world of analog AM=20 stereo broadcasting where it is desired to keep the "L+R" modulation=20 as high as possible. Besides reducing the maximum phase angle, straight Left and Right=20 channel processing would have less impact on the stereo sound stage,=20 although it is clear that some people on this group like the=20 exaggerated effects that are artifacts of matrix processing. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jun 18 11:36:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41197 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 18:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 18:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 18:36:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 18:35:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:35:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of QuAM paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1249 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.206 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > > Feeding an ampliphase arrangement is really what I was after in the > first place. The only thing is, what extra "bistromath" would we > have to get the drive regulator to do with such a weird signal, at > least as far as the ampliphase is concerned. Weird in the sense that > avg carrier has the phases 90 deg apart instead of 135. This is, > however an ongoing work. I had also noticed a reference to "bistromath" in your paper, and wondered what it is, as I never heard the term before? All I can think is that it is math done on a paper napkin in a bistro. In what little thinking I had done about an Ampliphase exciter that combines the functions of the normal Ampliphase exciter, and a C-QUAM exciter in one unit, I had assumed that you would run the two "carrier" phases at 135 degrees as in the normal Ampliphase exciter, a 90 degree phase difference shouldn't be necessary in the two Ampliphase channels to generate a standard C-QUAM signal. My question is, is there a clever way to combine the Ampliphase exciter with the C-QUAM generator in such a way that you end up with a simpler circuit than with the two exciters cascaded? John From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Jun 18 11:48:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 143 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 18:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 18:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 18:48:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 18:48:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:48:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DAB starts in Halifax Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 598 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking From the DAB Canada site, today's issue: Digital Radio Roll-Out Inc. ( DRRI) announced that "field testing"=20 of DAB (Digital Audio Broadcasting) has started in Halifax adding=20 Halifax/Dartmouth to the growing list of DAB markets. Seven Halifax=20 signals, including 3 CBC (Radio One, Radio Two, Premi=E8re) as well as=20 CIOO-FM, Q104, Country101 and FM96.5 are now field-testing in DAB. http://www.digitalradio.ca/ Phil R. P.S. If you root through the above link, you can find a DAB=20 coverage map for Halifax. Let me summarize - LMAO - a good antenna=20 and and Alfredo Lite could do as well :) From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 12:13:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55005 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 19:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 19:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 19:12:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 19:12:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:12:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 4-400C's Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 847 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 67.35.144.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > GRAPHITE!!! YES! That is it John! > Geez...my brain needs an overhaul. Sorry for all the confusion. YES, the > amperex tubes have a graphite center instead of a metal center. Now you > know why I'm not an engineer. I can't even get the terminology right. I > just know what kinds of tubes we gotta get and the ones that I'd LIKE to > have aren't made anymore. So the graphite ones are the best we can do. > > Michael n WYO We are getting about a year on those graphite 4-400C's on the RCA BTA 1R2 at WKDK. Put a box fan, turn it on HIGH and place it right behind the filter on the back of the transmitter. AND ***DO*** change the filter on a regular basis and those tubes WILL last a lot longer. How long a life ARE you getting now? Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 12:15:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46548 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 19:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 19:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 19:15:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 19:15:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:15:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Got the Mid-Month AM Stereo Blues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030617110647.02bd9c60@mail.direct.ca> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1075 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 67.35.144.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Dan Roach wrote: > Ya, last time I checked the 4-500 was about 4 times the cost of the > 4-400. Main difference is the filament voltage. > The part you can see attached to the plate cap is--wait for it--the > plate. Not ceramic because it needs to conduct > electricity. Eimac's glass tube division was sold off > as "Proton," tried for a year or so to make the 4-400C, never could get it > right. Actually the name is Triton. They had quality control problems. BAD ones. I agree, the Eimac's were very good > when they were still available. English Electric made a similar tube that > was quite good too--now all gone but > Amperex (French Freedom tubes) and the Chinese. Svetlana had threatened to make some. If you think 4-400's or 4-500's are expensive, 5-500's are worse, and there is a conversion to 4- 400's but the transmitter will not sound as good, and you will NOT get as good tube life out of 2 or so sets of 4-400's as 1 set of GOOD 5-500's on those Continental transmitters. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 12:22:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32911 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 19:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 19:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 19:22:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 19:21:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:21:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AAC and PAC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 180 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 67.35.144.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I can't see IBOC with AAC, since Lucent burned bridges with the folks over at the company that does AAC and MPEG. That was mentioned in some posts over at Broadcast.net Powell From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jun 18 13:10:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94652 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 20:10:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 20:10:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 20:10:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 20:10:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:10:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AAC and PAC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 701 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > I can't see IBOC with AAC, since Lucent burned bridges with the > folks over at the company that does AAC and MPEG. That was mentioned > in some posts over at Broadcast.net I thought that it was the NRSC that in the final analysis will recommend the standard, not Lucent, and the NRSC isn't composed entirely of Lucent employees? Has the NRSC also burned bridges with the folks over at the company that does AAC and MPEG, or won't the company have anything to do with them as long as there is so much as even one Lucent employee on the NRSC? If so they are cutting off their nose to spite their face. John From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed Jun 18 14:51:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24277 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 21:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2003 21:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 21:51:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2003 21:51:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:51:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ignorance on a tangent Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1459 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: >=20 > It looks like the single channel signal depicted in "PhasePlot.gif"=20 > was processed by a so called "matrix" processor, as the maximum phase=20 > angle exceeds 70 degrees. With straight Left and Right channel=20 > processing the phase angle should max. out at 45 degrees, although I=20 > don't suppose that is realistic in the modern world of analog AM=20 > stereo broadcasting where it is desired to keep the "L+R" modulation=20 > as high as possible. >=20 > John The phase of the graph was derived from a regular QuAM signal where the I channel is at 75% modulation and the Q channel is also at 75% modulation. This is the resulting phase of what the FCC allows in the maximum modulation of a single channel for C-QuAM. Given that the carrier is equal to 1 and the =B1100% modulation is 2p-p for both I & Q channels, i.e. -1p for -100% and +1p for +100% modulation, at 75% the downward modulation of -.75 + the carrier of 1 equals .25 for the I channel and the=20 Q channel is =B1.75 , polarity depending on whenter the L or R channel is being modulated, the resunting phase is calculated as ArcTan(Q/I) or ArcTan(.75/.25)=3D71.56=B0 . Now this is peak modulation from a pure sine wave and not the typical=20 characteristic of program material so these extreme phase deviations are from peaks in the program material and the actual intergrator error is less than it woud be for test tones. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 17:50:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2517 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 00:50:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 00:50:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 00:50:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 00:49:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:49:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AAC and PAC -- also RealAudio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2256 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I can't see IBOC with AAC, since Lucent burned bridges with the > folks over at the company that does AAC and MPEG. That was > mentioned in some posts over at Broadcast.net The truth is, AAC doesn't sound all that great either, especially at the ridiculously low bit-rates that iBiquity is using for IBOC on AM. The DRM samples I've heard still have a gritty, metallic, "artificial"-sounding high end that I would never consider to be pleasant to listen to, especially for extended periods. The only real improvement versus the IBOC/PAC audio samples I've heard is the more relaxed audio processing that the Euro DRM stations use, but if WOR backed down their hyper-aggressive audio processing, their IBOC audio samples would sound a lot better as well. The best-sounding digital audio compression system at low bit-rates is definitely RealAudio. With version 8.0, there has been a major improvement in RealAudio's sound quality. It's not artifact-free by any means, but it manages to degrade the sound in a "graceful" manner, and it avoids all use of "Spectral Band Replication" -- a.k.a. "fake treble" -- so that its high-end is always reasonably clear and natural-sounding. (Micro$oft's Windows Media Audio has also improved quite a bit with the latest version, but it still has a distinct "metallic tinge" to its sound.) IBOC is currently using PAC at 36 kbps on the AM band. Had they chosen RealAudio V8.0 at 32 kbps (with the "High-Response Stereo Music" mode), here is a web page with three samples of what it would sound like: http://tinyurl.com/eoey These are audio captures of BBC Radio 1 and Radio 2's RealAudio internet stream, converted into high-bitrate MP3 files (with negligible loss of quality). All were streamed at 32 kbps, except for the first few seconds of "bbcrad2a.mp3" which came through at 44 kbps (with noticeably better high treble response) before dropping back to 32 kbps due to the limited throughput of my dial-up connection. Still, the truth is that regardless of what system is used, low- bitrate digital audio simply cannot match the quality that analog AM and AM Stereo is capable of achieving -- as the recent samples of CFCO and the Japanese stations demonstrate quite clearly! From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 17:57:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37042 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 00:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 00:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 00:57:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 00:57:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:56:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AAC and PAC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1120 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.157.243.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" > wrote: > > I can't see IBOC with AAC, since Lucent burned bridges with the > > folks over at the company that does AAC and MPEG. That was mentioned > > in some posts over at Broadcast.net > > > I thought that it was the NRSC that in the final analysis will > recommend the standard, not Lucent, and the NRSC isn't composed > entirely of Lucent employees? Has the NRSC also burned bridges with > the folks over at the company that does AAC and MPEG, or won't the > company have anything to do with them as long as there is so much as > even one Lucent employee on the NRSC? IBOC is actually Ibiquity's baby, and the NRSC isn't the say so in what they use, but, well it was Ibiquity that burned the bridges. I do not know if Lucent employees are on the NRSC board, and if so that's even more damning. But there's lots of problems that have to be addressed and solved. Powell If so they are cutting off > their nose to spite their face. > > John From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 17:59:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42526 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 00:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 00:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 00:59:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 00:59:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:59:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC radio? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 300 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.157.243.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I was in Tweeters and they had the new Kenwood that said HD ready. So maybe it IS in the stores now. I left without getting the model number, as it was storming ( treading water rainfall) and I wanted to get out before the next floodgate opened. More later as I get out there and snoop. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 18:08:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48153 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 01:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 01:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 01:08:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 01:08:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:08:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AAC and PAC -- also RealAudio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2798 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.49 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I can't see IBOC with AAC, since Lucent burned bridges with the > > folks over at the company that does AAC and MPEG. That was > > mentioned in some posts over at Broadcast.net > > The truth is, AAC doesn't sound all that great either, especially at > the ridiculously low bit-rates that iBiquity is using for IBOC on AM. > > The DRM samples I've heard still have a gritty, metallic, > "artificial"-sounding high end that I would never consider to be > pleasant to listen to, especially for extended periods. The only > real improvement versus the IBOC/PAC audio samples I've heard is the > more relaxed audio processing that the Euro DRM stations use, but if > WOR backed down their hyper-aggressive audio processing, their IBOC > audio samples would sound a lot better as well. Keep in mind these are reconverted to MP3; nevertheless.. > The best-sounding digital audio compression system at low bit-rates > is definitely RealAudio. With version 8.0, there has been a major > improvement in RealAudio's sound quality. It's not artifact-free by > any means, but it manages to degrade the sound in a "graceful" > manner, and it avoids all use of "Spectral Band Replication" -- > a.k.a. "fake treble" -- so that its high-end is always reasonably > clear and natural-sounding. (Micro$oft's Windows Media Audio has > also improved quite a bit with the latest version, but it still has > a distinct "metallic tinge" to its sound.) RealAudio/RealMedia/RealOne actually uses a variety of codecs (including AAC/AC3 and ATRAC - The latter currently in use for MiniDiscs), as well as being a sponsor of Ogg Vorbis (the ONLY non- proprietary competitor to MP3). Real hasn't used its own codecs since RA5, but still supports playback *to a point) for these older codecs. And yes, RealOne uses SBR, the "fake treble" you mention. =snip= > Still, the truth is that regardless of what system is used, low- > bitrate digital audio simply cannot match the quality that analog > AM and AM Stereo is capable of achieving -- as the recent samples of > CFCO and the Japanese stations demonstrate quite clearly! Recoding doesn't help make the case... You would THINK that since there are AAC codecs publicly available, that EITHER or BOTH DRM software receivers available would save to AAC/MP4....but no, they save in MP3 only. Just keep that in mind. :) Oh, and, for what it's worth, if they wanted to be honest about it, DRM could've been TRULY non-proprietary if they had adopted Ogg Vorbis (.ogg), which is a GPLed codec. But .ogg has its own problems at low bitrates, but could deliver decent 44kHz audio at 48kbps. Would Lucent take it up? You have GOT to be kidding! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Jun 18 18:13:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60805 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 01:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 01:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 01:13:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 01:13:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:13:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DAB starts in Halifax Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 241 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.166.158.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: > > http://www.digitalradio.ca/ > > Phil R. > Check out the contest for winning a DAB receiver, and read the fine print, especially the contest expiry date! LOL From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 18:17:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50160 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 01:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 01:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 01:17:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 01:17:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:17:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DAB starts in Halifax Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 422 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.49 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" > wrote: > > > > > http://www.digitalradio.ca/ > > > > Phil R. > > > Check out the contest for winning a DAB receiver, and read the fine > print, especially the contest expiry date! LOL They're rather....notorious....for just that-- VERY poor updating. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 18:31:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86583 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 01:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 01:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 01:31:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 01:30:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:30:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 716 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I was in Tweeters and they had the new Kenwood that said HD ready. Kenwood's "HD Radio Ready" receivers do NOT include the IBOC decoder. They are simply capable of being retrofitted to include an IBOC decoder, if one is ever designed. This is just like all the car radios which are advertised as "XM Ready" or "Sirius Satellite" -- the appropriate circuitry is not built-in, but could be added at a later date, if/when available. So, for now, Kenwood's "HD Radio Ready" is nothing more than a logo on the radio's faceplate. Kenwood still officially has plans to introduce fully-equipped IBOC/HD Radio receivers this summer, but as of yet, there hasn't been any news of that coming true any time soon. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 18:44:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16183 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 01:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 01:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 01:44:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 01:43:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:43:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 927 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.49 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I was in Tweeters and they had the new Kenwood that said HD ready. > > Kenwood's "HD Radio Ready" receivers do NOT include the IBOC decoder. > They are simply capable of being retrofitted to include an IBOC > decoder, if one is ever designed. This is just like all the car > radios which are advertised as "XM Ready" or "Sirius Satellite" -- > the appropriate circuitry is not built-in, but could be added at a > later date, if/when available. > > So, for now, Kenwood's "HD Radio Ready" is nothing more than a logo > on the radio's faceplate. Kenwood still officially has plans to > introduce fully-equipped IBOC/HD Radio receivers this summer, but as > of yet, there hasn't been any news of that coming true any time soon. Reminds me of the days of...... "AM stereo ready" radios...... Or "HDTV ready" TVs..... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jun 18 18:58:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76130 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 01:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 01:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 01:58:21 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-84.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.84]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5J1wFoG024476 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:58:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a701c33606$4fadcdc0$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: 4-400C (was a multitude of other topics) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:57:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 4-400C is a carbon anode version of the 4-400A which had a tantalum anode. BTW, the Mc Martian (as many of us refer to them) used a 5-500 originally, but they became obsolete and units still in service got converted to the more available 4-400. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Jun 18 19:52:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3861 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 02:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 02:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 02:52:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:52:27 -0700 Received: from 172.169.78.38 by bay7-dav23.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:52:27 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AFN Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:52:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2003 02:52:27.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1DC5B20:01C3360D] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.169.78.38] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Dave wrote: > This booms in on 873 khz from Frankfurt Germany nighttime often swamping France Bleu on 864 khz. Audio sounds quite crisp with the wideband switch in. You are lucky! The only way we can hear AFN in North America is the Single Side Band Short-Wave feed. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 19:55:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52083 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 02:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 02:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 02:55:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 02:55:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:55:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 180 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.157.243.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > of yet, there hasn't been any news of that coming true any time soon. I heard it was June. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 20:00:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52528 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 03:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 03:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 03:00:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 02:59:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:59:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 4-400C (was a multitude of other topics) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a701c33606$4fadcdc0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 942 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.157.243.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > The 4-400C is a carbon anode version of the 4-400A which had a tantalum anode. BTW, the Mc Martian (as many of us refer to them) used a 5-500 originally, but they became obsolete and units still in service got converted to the more available 4-400. > > Scott Todd The Eimac 4-400C's were like the A's with substantial differences, that if in the modulator section of the BTA 1R2 you did not do the modification, you got 6 months life max. ( when the A's would go 2 years or more). The Amperex tubes always were graphite, even the flying saucer plate ones.....that's all we can get decent now. On the Continental TX's with 5-500's the life of the 4-400s was so poor, I knew that someone that converted BACK, even though they 5- 500's were $1000 each, they lasted FAR longer than the changing of the 4-400's every 6 months and degraded audio. Powell From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Jun 18 20:00:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34448 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 03:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 03:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.97) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 03:00:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:00:39 -0700 Received: from 172.169.78.38 by bay7-dav40.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:00:39 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AFN Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:00:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2003 03:00:39.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7127590:01C3360E] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.169.78.38] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: > And don't forget Longwave, too -- as a poor American, I've never actually gotten to listen to European/Asian longwave broadcast radio in person, either locally or by DX. On cold winter nights, I used to be able to listen to Atlantic 252 Long-Wave here in South Carolina. When I couldn't get 252 last Winter, I did an internet search and found out it went silent. What a shame, Atlantic 252 was the only kewl station you could hear in the UK that was legal! I have the Atlantic 252 jingle package in the files section of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amradiodx/ along with jingles from Laser 558. Kevin From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 20:09:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58454 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 03:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 03:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 03:09:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 03:09:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:09:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of QuAM paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2891 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.19.97 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > wrote: > > > > Feeding an ampliphase arrangement is really what I was after in the > > first place. The only thing is, what extra "bistromath" would we > > have to get the drive regulator to do with such a weird signal, at > > least as far as the ampliphase is concerned. Weird in the sense that > > avg carrier has the phases 90 deg apart instead of 135. This is, > > however an ongoing work. > > I had also noticed a reference to "bistromath" in your paper, and > wondered what it is, as I never heard the term before? All I can > think is that it is math done on a paper napkin in a bistro. > "Bistromath" is a term that may be familar to the Douglas Adams fans out there (Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy), that was found in his book, "Restaurant at the End of the Universe". It explains the idea that numbers on a check in a bistro have nothing to do with the known laws of mathemathics anywhere else in the universe. (grin) I use it to describe the sometimes strange (to me) math required to make certain things happen. (I learn higher math and other tasks on an as- needed basis.) > In what little thinking I had done about an Ampliphase exciter that > combines the functions of the normal Ampliphase exciter, and a C- QUAM > exciter in one unit, I had assumed that you would run the two > "carrier" phases at 135 degrees as in the normal Ampliphase exciter, a > 90 degree phase difference shouldn't be necessary in the two > Ampliphase channels to generate a standard C-QUAM signal. My question > is, is there a clever way to combine the Ampliphase exciter with the > C-QUAM generator in such a way that you end up with a simpler circuit > than with the two exciters cascaded? > > John Guess you weren't the only one thinking of that one. This was where I wound up in the middle of my paper, and was the whole idea of Quampliphase in the first place. But the idea of an Ampliphase/C-QUAM exciter turned out to be an enjoyable stop along the way instead of a destination. Sometimes I have to do things the hard way so I REALLY understand them. I may still return to the idea of an outphasing (using 2 RF chains to the final) exciter. To be sure, there wouldn't be as much phase available for (L-R), and there would probably be some audio matrix necessary to get the "imaging" right, but like you, I STILL think there must be a way. I proposed this to a co-worker, and he mentioned that there must be greater minds working on this. But how many folks are really doing analog AM stereo these days? And really care about obscure and esoteric modulation schemes? Speaking for myself, I've been a fan(atic) for many years, and it's a great mental exercise., methinks. But that's another rant. From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 20:38:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15024 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 03:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 03:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 03:38:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 03:37:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:37:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1933 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.19.97 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > I was in Tweeters and they had the new Kenwood that said HD ready. > > > > Kenwood's "HD Radio Ready" receivers do NOT include the IBOC > decoder. > > They are simply capable of being retrofitted to include an IBOC > > decoder, if one is ever designed. This is just like all the car > > radios which are advertised as "XM Ready" or "Sirius Satellite" -- > > the appropriate circuitry is not built-in, but could be added at a > > later date, if/when available. > > > > So, for now, Kenwood's "HD Radio Ready" is nothing more than a logo > > on the radio's faceplate. Kenwood still officially has plans to > > introduce fully-equipped IBOC/HD Radio receivers this summer, but > as > > of yet, there hasn't been any news of that coming true any time > soon. > > Reminds me of the days of...... "AM stereo ready" radios...... > Or "HDTV ready" TVs..... > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ How about a timelie? Early 50's- Color ready black and white TVs Late 50's, early 60's- Multiplex ready tuners (Okay, those jacks DID work with an adaptor!) 1970's- AM Stereo Ready. (Pioneer had a couple of rcvrs with the jacks but never offered a decoder.) The 1980's were Digital Ready, from amplifiers to zip cord. In the 90's we were internet ready down to the phone jack. Now we're HDTV, HDradio, HDfastfood, ad nauseum. And a lot of it is pure digital hype. Don't get me wrong, digital has it's place. But needs a robust transmission medium, which radio is ill prepared to provide without a lot of grace. As I tell my customers, (I fix teevee for a living), with analog and a weak signal, though the picture be snowy, you still get a somewhat viewable picture. Combine digital and a marginal signal, and you'll be reaching for the "Elvis Presley muting device!" From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 20:44:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62928 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 03:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 03:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 03:44:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 03:44:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:44:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 890 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Early 50's- Color ready black and white TVs Pre-WWII, there were radios by Philco and other brands labelled as "Built to receive television sound". Also, there were some experiments with displaying "color" images on black & white TV sets. Due to the human eye's persistence of vision, they found that if you flicker pixels on the screen at certain rates, they can appear as colors. This experiment didn't get too far before real color TV sets became common. > 1970's- AM Stereo Ready. (Pioneer had a couple of rcvrs with the > jacks but never offered a decoder.) This was seen as early as the late 1950s. In the '80s, Marantz was one brand which actually *did* offer an AM Stereo decoder module for their "AM Stereo-Ready" receivers -- but it was installed internally, not as a plug-in device, like all the radios with "AM Stereo Output" jacks (Pioneer, Kenwood, etc.). From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 21:28:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31891 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 04:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 04:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 04:28:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 04:28:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 04:28:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of QuAM paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1285 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: =snip= > this to a co-worker, and he mentioned that there must be greater > minds working on this. But how many folks are really doing analog AM > stereo these days? And really care about obscure and esoteric > modulation schemes? Speaking for myself, I've been a fan(atic) for > many years, and it's a great mental exercise., methinks. But that's > another rant. Well, let's see... There're a number of very brilliant people here- I don't think I'm necessarily one of them. But how many? Let's see... ~300 AM stereo stations in the US (about 500 total)... There are about 190 subscribers to just this list alone. And I'm the mouse who found at least 20 different AMS system patents (more, actually) from as early as 1925 to as late as 1987, all of several different approaches to AM stereo, from subcarriers to quadrature/phased-AM to angular systems (FM or PM) to ISB via phasing, filters or diodes, and so forth. I'm one of those few utterly fascinated with alternative analog AM stereo systems beyond merely C-QUAM, as proposed over the decades. (I'm particularly drawn to RCA's AM/FM system, later adapted by Belar, and an alternate version proposed by Sansui.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 22:18:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74537 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 05:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 05:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 05:18:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 05:18:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 05:18:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The bigger picture Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3318 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics With all this talk about IBOC and the various digital audio encoding formats it could use (PAC, AAC, etc.), I think it's worthwhile to take a step back and look at the bigger picture: that the use of *any* "lossy" digital audio compression system is inherently risky. With analog audio, the limitations of fidelity are always purely mechanical or electrical, and a certain set of objective measurements (frequency response, S/N ratio, THD, stereo separation, etc.) exist to measure the effect of these limitations and allow improvements to be made. You can always build a better speaker, a better phonograph stylus, a better magnetic tape formulation, etc., and have the results shown to you objectively -- even if the difference is too small for anybody's ears to detect. On the other hand, "lossy" digital audio compression works on the basis of *permanently destroying* parts of the audio, in order to conserve bandwidth or storage space -- and the decision on what parts of the audio waveform to remove are based on human-conducted perceptual studies. This makes the system design inherently subjective -- since not everybody in the world can be surveyed, and since the personal preferences of the system's designers is always a factor to some degree, this creates limitations which may seriously affect some people, but which other people may never even notice. For example, Fraunhofer IIS, the German company which invented MP3 audio, thinks that people can't hear much audio above 16 kHz. So, even at the highest possible bit-rates and quality settings, MP3 audio always offers very inaccurate reproduction of frequencies above 16 kHz. It's still good enough that a sine wave sweep test will show it to have ruler-flat frequency response up to 20+ kHz, but the "real world" results are much different. So, if you are particularly sensitive to high-frequency audio, sorry, you're out of luck -- no matter how you try to "tweak" it, this is an inherent limitation of the MP3 format. I think that some kind of method for objectively measuring and quantifying the quality of digitally compressed audio needs to be developed. A certain system may go through all the traditional analog criteria (frequency response, S/N ratio, etc.) with nearly perfect results, but what good is that if the resulting audio is filled with "artifacts" and sounds horrible? Call it an "integrity factor", if you will. Uncompressed audio would have a perfect integrity factor of 100. An Internet web-cast over a 28.8K modem would be down near 10 or 15. A typical 128 kbps MP3 file would be, say, 40 or 50. DVD Audio -- supposedly "perfect" -- would be around 90 or 95. Then, various IBOC encoding systems could be tested and compared, and the one with the highest rating would be the final choice. But, like I said before, this kind of rating may be impossible to develop, since it would be essentially trying to produce an objective measurement based upon subjective factors. So, clearly, there's a lot more to this issue than what meets the eye -- or, more appropriately, the ear. Any system is only as strong as its weakest link -- and with "lossy" digital audio compression, such as used by IBOC and DRM, that weakest link is *us* -- humans perceptions and preferences. From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 22:19:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82789 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 05:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 05:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 05:19:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 05:19:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 05:19:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of QuAM paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1640 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.19.97 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > wrote: > > =snip= > > > this to a co-worker, and he mentioned that there must be greater > > minds working on this. But how many folks are really doing analog > AM > > stereo these days? And really care about obscure and esoteric > > modulation schemes? Speaking for myself, I've been a fan(atic) for > > many years, and it's a great mental exercise., methinks. But that's > > another rant. > > Well, let's see... There're a number of very brilliant people here- I > don't think I'm necessarily one of them. I'd beg to differ. :) > > But how many? Let's see... ~300 AM stereo stations in the US (about > 500 total)... There are about 190 subscribers to just this list alone. > > And I'm the mouse who found at least 20 different AMS system patents > (more, actually) from as early as 1925 to as late as 1987, all of > several different approaches to AM stereo, from subcarriers to > quadrature/phased-AM to angular systems (FM or PM) to ISB via > phasing, filters or diodes, and so forth. > > I'm one of those few utterly fascinated with alternative analog AM > stereo systems beyond merely C-QUAM, as proposed over the decades. > (I'm particularly drawn to RCA's AM/FM system, later adapted by > Belar, and an alternate version proposed by Sansui.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ My personal fave is still the Kahn approach. Too bad he had to go after Motorola the same way DeForest went after Armstrong. Or was it more of an Armstrong vs. RCA sort of thing. Hmmm.... From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Jun 18 22:44:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28205 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 05:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 05:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (207.169.189.136) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 05:44:31 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy.eds.com [192.85.216.78]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h5J5iUw27468 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:44:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5J5iS616802 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:44:29 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5J5iSV16796 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:44:28 +1000 (EST) Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:44:28 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47022@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} The bigger picture Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:44:27 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Kevin, You've hit the nail on the head - All these "perceptual" codecs (which are based on inadequacies of the human ear and laziness of the brain in interpreting sound information), are of course subjective. There is no way to really classify the quality subjectively, unless you mathematically analyse the sonic correctness of the audio somehow. CD Quality 44.1khz is the only real reference that to 99.9% of the population sounds perfect - as good as the original. MP2 at 256k would also pass this test I would imagine (eg Eureka 147 DAB at 256) as the Musicam codec is quite gentle compared to MP3/MP3Pro/AAC/OGG/IBOC SBR etc My feeling is any digital radio system that is not setup for CD quality audio is a waste of time - remembering that at the time FM was designed and implemented it was a leading edge technology. FM Radio, although frequency response wise is only to 15khz (1khz less than the MP3 codec which drops off at 16khz) actually sonically is very pure like a CD source. Audiophiles quite happily purchase high end FM tuners such as the Fanfare as to 99.9% of the population FM is indistinguishable from the source. IBOC will never pass an A-B test - most people could easily hear artefacts - even on FM IBOC if presented with a clean FM/CD source. MP2 @ 256k should be the minimum "audio broadcast standard" for audio quality on digital broadcasts - some codecs such as OGG claim to provide CD quality sound at lower bit rates - perhaps 128k - only an independent panel of experts should be allowed to approve an audio standard as being "broadcast standard" comparable to 256k MP2. Perhaps it needs to be certified as an ISO standard. The biggest problem we have is companies like Fraunhofer and Ibiquity (and Microsoft and Real to a certain extent) claiming their codec at a certain bit rate is "CD Quality" when in fact it hasn't been ratified by a panel of audio engineers as acceptable. I notice some Eureka 147 broadcasters in Europe are dropping their bit rates to 128k MP2 and lower - this should be outlawed in the same way that our basic services such as Electricity Supply and Water are guaranteed to meet a certain standard. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 3:19 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} The bigger picture With all this talk about IBOC and the various digital audio encoding formats it could use (PAC, AAC, etc.), I think it's worthwhile to take a step back and look at the bigger picture: that the use of *any* "lossy" digital audio compression system is inherently risky. With analog audio, the limitations of fidelity are always purely mechanical or electrical, and a certain set of objective measurements (frequency response, S/N ratio, THD, stereo separation, etc.) exist to measure the effect of these limitations and allow improvements to be made. You can always build a better speaker, a better phonograph stylus, a better magnetic tape formulation, etc., and have the results shown to you objectively -- even if the difference is too small for anybody's ears to detect. On the other hand, "lossy" digital audio compression works on the basis of *permanently destroying* parts of the audio, in order to conserve bandwidth or storage space -- and the decision on what parts of the audio waveform to remove are based on human-conducted perceptual studies. This makes the system design inherently subjective -- since not everybody in the world can be surveyed, and since the personal preferences of the system's designers is always a factor to some degree, this creates limitations which may seriously affect some people, but which other people may never even notice. For example, Fraunhofer IIS, the German company which invented MP3 audio, thinks that people can't hear much audio above 16 kHz. So, even at the highest possible bit-rates and quality settings, MP3 audio always offers very inaccurate reproduction of frequencies above 16 kHz. It's still good enough that a sine wave sweep test will show it to have ruler-flat frequency response up to 20+ kHz, but the "real world" results are much different. So, if you are particularly sensitive to high-frequency audio, sorry, you're out of luck -- no matter how you try to "tweak" it, this is an inherent limitation of the MP3 format. I think that some kind of method for objectively measuring and quantifying the quality of digitally compressed audio needs to be developed. A certain system may go through all the traditional analog criteria (frequency response, S/N ratio, etc.) with nearly perfect results, but what good is that if the resulting audio is filled with "artifacts" and sounds horrible? Call it an "integrity factor", if you will. Uncompressed audio would have a perfect integrity factor of 100. An Internet web-cast over a 28.8K modem would be down near 10 or 15. A typical 128 kbps MP3 file would be, say, 40 or 50. DVD Audio -- supposedly "perfect" -- would be around 90 or 95. Then, various IBOC encoding systems could be tested and compared, and the one with the highest rating would be the final choice. But, like I said before, this kind of rating may be impossible to develop, since it would be essentially trying to produce an objective measurement based upon subjective factors. So, clearly, there's a lot more to this issue than what meets the eye -- or, more appropriately, the ear. Any system is only as strong as its weakest link -- and with "lossy" digital audio compression, such as used by IBOC and DRM, that weakest link is *us* -- humans perceptions and preferences. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 22:49:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8842 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 05:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 05:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 05:49:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 05:49:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 05:49:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of QuAM paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1472 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > > wrote: > > > > =snip= > > Well, let's see... There're a number of very brilliant people here- > I > > don't think I'm necessarily one of them. > > I'd beg to differ. :) Some might say that, but I wouldn't- I'm terribly weak on math, but I can get a few of the mathematical concepts. :) I prefer the "nuts & volts" of understanding AM stereo and general radio theories. :) > My personal fave is still the Kahn approach. Too bad he had to go > after Motorola the same way DeForest went after Armstrong. Or was it > more of an Armstrong vs. RCA sort of thing. Hmmm.... For Kahn I gotta say... WHICH ONE?? He had proposed two different ISB systems- bandpass filters to be selective with sidebands, and a phased ISB system, based on QUAM. And even with the latter, there were several different proposals over the decades to approach that. It was Armstrong v. RCA, since Armstrong strongly advocated slope detection instead of direct FM to voltage conversion (ie: an FM discriminator) which achieves cleaner results. For what it's worth, RCA and Westinghouse both proposed AM/FM systems in the late 1950s, with Westinghouse following the armstrong approach, and RCA using the discriminator approach. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 23:44:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91154 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 06:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 06:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 06:44:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 06:44:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:44:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The bigger picture Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47022@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1977 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > FM Radio, although frequency response wise is only to 15khz Actually, FM's "15 kHz" response limit is mostly an outdated benchmark, from the days when audio low-pass filters were not as advanced, and you had to start dropping off the response at 15 kHz in order to provide enough protection for the 19 kHz FM Stereo pilot tone. These days, the filters are more accurate, and quite a few FM stations are exceeding the 15 kHz mark. In my local area, some FM stations are transmitting anywhere from 16 to 18 kHz of useful audio response. > MP2 @ 256k should be the minimum "audio broadcast standard" for > audio quality on digital broadcasts The radio industry's standard for "CD quality" compressed audio is MP2 at 384 kbps. This is what the vast majority of computer automation systems use to store their music -- including XM satellite radio's master collection of tens of thousands of songs. However, lower bit-rates are typically used to store commercials -- many of which arrive to the station already compressed in various formats like MP2, MP3, or WMA. So, whenever "trans-coded" into the specific format the station uses to store their commercials, the quality loss becomes exponential. That's why many radio commercials sound downright *awful* on the air -- because they've been through four or five different digital compression scheme, especially on stations unlucky enough to have "multi-hop" STLs which impose trans- coding effects even upon pure analog audio sources. The folks at IBOC aren't kidding when they warn people of this kind of trans-coding, and emphasize the "garbage in, garbage out" effect. A large part of IBOC's quality problem may actually be due to the type of source audio it has to deal with. IBOC is always going to have trouble matching up to the quality of an AM or FM station which plays music direct from CD and has an all-analog audio chain -- simply because of the extra layers of complexity involved. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Jun 19 01:07:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53211 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 08:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 08:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 08:07:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 08:07:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:07:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The bigger picture Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47022@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6332 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.235 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Kevin, > I ran across this page that did some tests on codecs at ~64kbps. mp3pro came in first, ogg close behind and wma8 & aac in last. http://ff123.net/64test/results.html > You've hit the nail on the head - All these "perceptual" codecs (which are > based on inadequacies of the human ear and laziness of the brain in > interpreting sound information), are of course subjective. There is no way > to really classify the quality subjectively, unless you mathematically > analyse the sonic correctness of the audio somehow. > > CD Quality 44.1khz is the only real reference that to 99.9% of the > population sounds perfect - as good as the original. > > MP2 at 256k would also pass this test I would imagine (eg Eureka 147 DAB at > 256) as the Musicam codec is quite gentle compared to > MP3/MP3Pro/AAC/OGG/IBOC SBR etc > > My feeling is any digital radio system that is not setup for CD quality > audio is a waste of time - remembering that at the time FM was designed and > implemented it was a leading edge technology. FM Radio, although frequency > response wise is only to 15khz (1khz less than the MP3 codec which drops off > at 16khz) actually sonically is very pure like a CD source. Audiophiles > quite happily purchase high end FM tuners such as the Fanfare as to 99.9% of > the population FM is indistinguishable from the source. > > IBOC will never pass an A-B test - most people could easily hear artefacts - > even on FM IBOC if presented with a clean FM/CD source. > > MP2 @ 256k should be the minimum "audio broadcast standard" for audio > quality on digital broadcasts - some codecs such as OGG claim to provide CD > quality sound at lower bit rates - perhaps 128k - only an independent panel > of experts should be allowed to approve an audio standard as being > "broadcast standard" comparable to 256k MP2. Perhaps it needs to be > certified as an ISO standard. > > The biggest problem we have is companies like Fraunhofer and Ibiquity (and > Microsoft and Real to a certain extent) claiming their codec at a certain > bit rate is "CD Quality" when in fact it hasn't been ratified by a panel of > audio engineers as acceptable. > > I notice some Eureka 147 broadcasters in Europe are dropping their bit rates > to 128k MP2 and lower - this should be outlawed in the same way that our > basic services such as Electricity Supply and Water are guaranteed to meet a > certain standard. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@y...] > Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 3:19 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} The bigger picture > > > With all this talk about IBOC and the various digital audio encoding > formats it could use (PAC, AAC, etc.), I think it's worthwhile to > take a step back and look at the bigger picture: that the use of > *any* "lossy" digital audio compression system is inherently risky. > > With analog audio, the limitations of fidelity are always purely > mechanical or electrical, and a certain set of objective measurements > (frequency response, S/N ratio, THD, stereo separation, etc.) exist > to measure the effect of these limitations and allow improvements to > be made. You can always build a better speaker, a better phonograph > stylus, a better magnetic tape formulation, etc., and have the > results shown to you objectively -- even if the difference is too > small for anybody's ears to detect. > > On the other hand, "lossy" digital audio compression works on the > basis of *permanently destroying* parts of the audio, in order to > conserve bandwidth or storage space -- and the decision on what > parts of the audio waveform to remove are based on human-conducted > perceptual studies. This makes the system design inherently > subjective -- since not everybody in the world can be surveyed, and > since the personal preferences of the system's designers is always > a factor to some degree, this creates limitations which may seriously > affect some people, but which other people may never even notice. > > For example, Fraunhofer IIS, the German company which invented MP3 > audio, thinks that people can't hear much audio above 16 kHz. So, > even at the highest possible bit-rates and quality settings, MP3 > audio always offers very inaccurate reproduction of frequencies above > 16 kHz. It's still good enough that a sine wave sweep test will show > it to have ruler-flat frequency response up to 20+ kHz, but the > "real world" results are much different. So, if you are particularly > sensitive to high-frequency audio, sorry, you're out of luck -- no > matter how you try to "tweak" it, this is an inherent limitation of > the MP3 format. > > I think that some kind of method for objectively measuring and > quantifying the quality of digitally compressed audio needs to be > developed. A certain system may go through all the traditional > analog criteria (frequency response, S/N ratio, etc.) with nearly > perfect results, but what good is that if the resulting audio is > filled with "artifacts" and sounds horrible? Call it an "integrity > factor", if you will. Uncompressed audio would have a perfect > integrity factor of 100. An Internet web-cast over a 28.8K modem > would be down near 10 or 15. A typical 128 kbps MP3 file would be, > say, 40 or 50. DVD Audio -- supposedly "perfect" -- would be around > 90 or 95. Then, various IBOC encoding systems could be tested and > compared, and the one with the highest rating would be the final > choice. > > But, like I said before, this kind of rating may be impossible to > develop, since it would be essentially trying to produce an objective > measurement based upon subjective factors. So, clearly, there's a > lot more to this issue than what meets the eye -- or, more > appropriately, the ear. Any system is only as strong as its weakest > link -- and with "lossy" digital audio compression, such as used by > IBOC and DRM, that weakest link is *us* -- humans perceptions and > preferences. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From oscar@globility.com Thu Jun 19 05:05:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93648 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 12:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 12:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 12:05:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 12:05:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:05:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The bigger picture Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 900 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > FM Radio, although frequency response wise is only to 15khz > > Actually, FM's "15 kHz" response limit is mostly an outdated > benchmark, from the days when audio low-pass filters were not as > advanced, and you had to start dropping off the response at 15 kHz > in order to provide enough protection for the 19 kHz FM Stereo pilot > tone. These days, the filters are more accurate, and quite a few FM > stations are exceeding the 15 kHz mark. In my local area, some FM > stations are transmitting anywhere from 16 to 18 kHz of useful audio > response. Perhaps someone here can add to this but, a CE friend of mine tells me that overmodulating into the 19KHz pilot is no longer a fear. There is already the technology to instantly, and automatically, replace the pilot when it is 'modulated upon'. M.S. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Jun 19 09:26:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39023 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 16:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 16:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 16:26:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 16:26:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:26:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT - what would you think? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1582 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking What would you think of a radio station that is running a contest where the lucky winner gets to pick the time the station goes dark? The LUCKY listener can chose when between 1 pm and 6 pm on June 30 the 25 kw AM transmitter [that used to run into two 430 foot towers, before one was cut down to make a shoestring FM tower] is shut off for good. Whoo Hoo! Sure, they'll still be on the air on a putt- putt FM operation with 75 kw radiating equally poorly into a sputtery, picket fence and multipath laden 50 mile coverage radius, where the appearance of leaves on the trees a month ago revealed the inadequacies of its signal. But, at least half their loyal listeners will be in the dark, unless a small mountain ridge or two can be "moved" and they put up a yagi on a 50 foot stick to receive them. I don't think the DOT approves of 50 foot sticks on top of the average car, truck, or mini van. Perhaps the sales of used boom trucks and cranes will skyrocket with this great leap forward. I laughed myself silly this morning driving to work and hearing the desparate sounding P.D./Morning guy huffing and puffing this new brilliant contest idea, before dashing off to another remote, while the GM read the 8 am news in a robotic tone. Oh well, the DX will be better when they're gone. Unfortunately, so will any kind of AM Stereo signal in the Maritimes. But wait, DAB is coming to Halifax, well part of Halifax that is. Yippy Yi Yay, let's all run to Radio Scrap to buy a $300, oops, now their $250, DAB pocket radio. Sarcastalamb a.k.a. Phil R. From droach@direct.ca Thu Jun 19 09:48:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: droach@direct.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45348 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 16:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 16:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes61.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 16:48:36 -0000 Received: from dan.direct.ca ([64.180.122.175]) by priv-edtnes61.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030619164835.TSJK21777.priv-edtnes61.telusplanet.net@dan.direct.ca> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:48:35 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20030619094654.02c26bb0@mail.direct.ca> X-Sender: droach@direct.ca@mail.direct.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:56:52 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-400C (was a multitude of other topics) In-Reply-To: <00a701c33606$4fadcdc0$827dfea9@home1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Dan Roach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=75892843 X-Yahoo-Profile: rastadudeca Wrong on several counts: --the AMPEREX 4-400C uses a graphite anode. 4-400C has been made by other manufacturers, and refers to a ruggedized, improved version of the 4-400A. When Eimac/Varian was manufacturing the 4-400C, its anode was not graphite. The C is a reference to the ruggedized version, not the plate material. --the McMartian used four 4-500 tubes, two operating push pull for the modulators, two class C for the RF amp. The 5-500 would be a pentode, and not interchangeable with the 4-400, which is a tetrode. --the 4-500 is still available, but very expensive (at least it was still available a coupla years ago, when I last checked). In physical appearance, it is identical to the 4-400. It has a different filament voltage, however. Internal structures would appear to be virtually the same: the intereletrode capacitances, for instance, are the same. The problem was not obsolescence, it was price. D At 08:57 PM 6/18/03 -0500, you wrote: >The 4-400C is a carbon anode version of the 4-400A which had a tantalum >anode. BTW, the Mc Martian (as many of us refer to them) used a 5-500 >originally, but they became obsolete and units still in service got >converted to the more available 4-400. > >Scott Todd > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 09:48:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18121 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 16:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 16:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 16:48:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 16:48:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:48:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT - what would you think? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 795 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: =snip= > Oh well, the DX will be better when they're gone. Unfortunately, so > will any kind of AM Stereo signal in the Maritimes. But wait, DAB > is coming to Halifax, well part of Halifax that is. Yippy Yi Yay, > let's all run to Radio Scrap to buy a $300, oops, now their $250, > DAB pocket radio. ....That eats batteries like there's no tomorrow. *sigh* Even my MiniDisc Recorder (made by Sony) will run for the better part of 12 ours on a single AA battery, laser, DAC, codec processing, motor and all! One has to ask Industry Canada WHY they're letting AM stations leave the band- Why not offer the AM band to community broadcasters if they're letting commercials migrate to FM? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Jun 19 10:00:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71252 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 17:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 17:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 17:00:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 17:00:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:00:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The bigger picture Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2452 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.188 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > FM Radio, although frequency response wise is only to 15khz > > > > Actually, FM's "15 kHz" response limit is mostly an outdated > > benchmark, from the days when audio low-pass filters were not as > > advanced, and you had to start dropping off the response at 15 kHz > > in order to provide enough protection for the 19 kHz FM Stereo > > pilot tone. These days, the filters are more accurate, and quite > > a few FM stations are exceeding the 15 kHz mark. In my local > > area, some FM stations are transmitting anywhere from 16 to 18 kHz > > of useful audio response. I suspect that there is more to this issue than just the "filters" used at the transmitter. There is also the issue of the receiver technology, and when 18 kHz audio, pre emphasized at that, is transmitted, it may cause undesirable modulation of the regenerated 38 kHz sub carrier in the receiver. Modulation of the 38 kHz sub carrier by audio frequencies from 15 kHz to 18 kHz, and the corresponding lower sidebands of the DSB-SC sub carrier from 20 kHz to 23 kHz, will cause modulation of the audio output by these frequencies, resulting in a blurring of the audio, and a general degradation of the audio quality. This is more likely to be a problem with older vintage tuners than with newer tuners, and the extent of the problem will depend on the robustness of the 38 kHz regeneration circuits used in the receiver. > Perhaps someone here can add to this but, a CE friend of mine tells > me that overmodulating into the 19KHz pilot is no longer a fear. > There is already the technology to instantly, and automatically, > replace the pilot when it is 'modulated upon'. Marv, who better than you to expand on this, as you are a receiver manufacturer, and presumably "the technology to instantly, and automatically, replace the pilot when it is modulated upon" would be a function of the receiver. However I do wonder if you and your CE friend may have been talking about two somewhat different issues? Your CE friend may have been talking about the effects on the 19 kHz pilot tone of "composite clipping" at the transmitter. I believe later composite clippers did incorporate technology to solve this problem after the FCC came down hard on stations using composite clippers. John From droach@direct.ca Thu Jun 19 10:57:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: droach@direct.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12553 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 17:57:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 17:57:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 17:57:27 -0000 Received: from dan.direct.ca ([64.180.122.175]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030619175726.GSE12269.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@dan.direct.ca> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:57:26 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20030619110041.02c081b0@mail.direct.ca> X-Sender: droach@direct.ca@mail.direct.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:05:43 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The bigger picture In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Dan Roach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=75892843 X-Yahoo-Profile: rastadudeca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This couldn't be more incorrect. Corruption of the pilot results in errors in L-R recovery that cannot be corrected "after the fact." One of the most-talked-about major problems in FM transmission in the last few years has been incompatibility in digital stereo generator standards that has caused pilot corruption. Briefly, one processor manufacturer is not filtering at 15 kHz, causing aliasing errors in a digital exciter that samples at 32 kHz. The aliasing errors result in content that corrupts the pilot. Bad, bad news. D At 12:05 PM 6/19/03 +0000, you wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." >wrote: > > > FM Radio, although frequency response wise is only to 15khz > > > > Actually, FM's "15 kHz" response limit is mostly an outdated > > benchmark, from the days when audio low-pass filters were not as > > advanced, and you had to start dropping off the response at 15 kHz > > in order to provide enough protection for the 19 kHz FM Stereo >pilot > > tone. These days, the filters are more accurate, and quite a few >FM > > stations are exceeding the 15 kHz mark. In my local area, some FM > > stations are transmitting anywhere from 16 to 18 kHz of useful >audio > > response. > >Perhaps someone here can add to this but, a CE friend of mine tells >me that overmodulating into the 19KHz pilot is no longer a fear. >There is already the technology to instantly, and automatically, >replace the pilot when it is 'modulated upon'. > >M.S. > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >e225acf.jpg > >e225af7.jpg > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Jun 19 11:34:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87215 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 18:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 18:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 18:34:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 18:34:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:34:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT - what would you think? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2074 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > One has to ask Industry Canada WHY they're letting AM stations leave > the band- Why not offer the AM band to community broadcasters if > they're letting commercials migrate to FM? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ The community stations etc. are all going on the air with 50 watts or less of FM. The CRTC and Industry Canada don't seem to have a plan for AM. They seem to think AM will just go away. Sure, there are many cases where Canadian AM stations flipped to AM to improve coverage, and, to quote Martha, that's a good thing. But when a smalltown station with a large regional coverage area flips to FM and gives up a large portion of its coverage area, that is not exactly in the public interest. As for profitability, it is simply not logical to expect businesses located in the recently abandoned parts of the coverage area to continue to advertise, especially since the primary competitor now has an excellant signal in these areas. Sure, new areas [in the former AMer's null] have been added, but these areas have multiple stations all nibbling away at the same pie. Interestingly, quite a few of this stations 300 shareholders live in these newly shadowed or otherwise abandoned signal wise areas. While from a business perspective, given competitive pressures, the herd mentality toward FM is understandable, there was no attempt to address the lost coverage areas by establishing a low to mid power rebroadcaster to ensure no loss of coverage when the AM was to be switched off. What is needed in Canada are a reasonable number of AM stations, with sizeable coverage areas and sensible patterns which can do what AM can do best - serve a large slice of geography, and deal with difficult terrain - steep sparsely populated hills, followed by communities located in valleys, where FM from the closest town is heavily shadowed by the hills. But then, I'm just a simple lamb, grazing on the hills and in the lush valley below... Sarcastalamb a.k.a. Phil R. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 11:39:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71465 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 18:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 18:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 18:39:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 18:39:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:39:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Try this.... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 138 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 1. Go to: http://www.google.com 2. Type in: AM stereo (with or without quotes) 3. Click "I'm Feeling Lucky". Ta-daa! From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Jun 19 12:08:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18435 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 19:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 19:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 19:08:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 19:08:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:07:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The bigger picture Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5810 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Keep in mind that some tuner manufacturers are rolling back frequency response on FM. Cut costs and offer more blinking lights. [What would they ever do if there was a REALLY big tax on LEDs???] For intance, the Yamaha tuner carried by Tweeters which was supposed to be AM Stereo, but apparently wasn't, [remember that post!!!] at least for the North American market, quoted frequency response up to 13 khz for FM. I've seen specs for many aftermarket car stereos, some reasonably pricey units, quoting FM up to 12 khz [and AM up to 3khz!] By contrast, my pre 1961 Heath PT-1 quotes FM frequency response up to 20 khz +/- 2 db. So, while it is possible to go up higher than 15 khz on FM Stereo, and some broadcasters - and some receivers too may do this - its a lot easier to leave a larger buffer between what is transmitted or received, as the case may be, and the 19khz pilot tone. Thus, a receiver can be more cheaply made if it is rolled off, say at 12 or 13 khz, and if the broadcaster rolls off at a similar frequency, less tweaking on the transmitting end may be necessary. Too often the attitude is - Radio - its only radio, its free, the listener doesn't expect perfection because [unlike cable and satellite TV] its free. Still, some broadcasters, as some receiver manufacturers, strive for the best, and they deserve a lot of credit for doing so. Many listeners can't put their finger on whether they are hearing up to 10 khz or 15 khz, and for casual listening, it really doesn't make a difference. How many listeners are listening on truly hifi gear? Maybe a Phil [in his basement], 2 or 3 Kevins, Amy, Ian, John, Eric, Chris, etc. perhaps even Tom or Kerry on occassion after a long day of sincerely trying to make IBOC work. BUT - to the extent that there is distortion, obvious artifacts, interference, multipath, picket fencing etc. - these may have a major impact on the ARB or BBM quarter hours - especially if the programming is me too, cookie cutter stuff. Its a subconscious thing though, and not expressed all that technically. When "Big Dog 100.9" is all distorted sounding on a Saturday afternoon, my wife is likely to say they sound gross, or the batteries must be bad or whatever. I'm likely to be imagining overmodulation, water getting inside the radomes, or in the coax, or whatever. Less obvious sonic compromises are often not likely to make it to the conscious mind, but the subconscious mind may just the preset to tune in another station. However, air distinctly good programming, one of a kind in the market, and the listener may put up with quite a bit more noise. Really great music, an announcer with loads of personality, really engaging spoken word programming, can make up to some degree for poor reception or sound quality. For example, Uncle Bob, tuning in the away ball game at night - if you're a BoSox fan, you may curse the fading, but you'll still be listening... Personally, I'm more of a Blue Jays kind of guy... especially when they are actually winning a few games, though I can settle for the Expos... Strive for the best, but don't go broke trying... Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > > > FM Radio, although frequency response wise is only to 15khz > > > > > > Actually, FM's "15 kHz" response limit is mostly an outdated > > > benchmark, from the days when audio low-pass filters were not as > > > advanced, and you had to start dropping off the response at 15 kHz > > > in order to provide enough protection for the 19 kHz FM Stereo > > > pilot tone. These days, the filters are more accurate, and quite > > > a few FM stations are exceeding the 15 kHz mark. In my local > > > area, some FM stations are transmitting anywhere from 16 to 18 kHz > > > of useful audio response. > > I suspect that there is more to this issue than just the "filters" > used at the transmitter. There is also the issue of the receiver > technology, and when 18 kHz audio, pre emphasized at that, is > transmitted, it may cause undesirable modulation of the regenerated 38 > kHz sub carrier in the receiver. Modulation of the 38 kHz sub carrier > by audio frequencies from 15 kHz to 18 kHz, and the corresponding > lower sidebands of the DSB-SC sub carrier from 20 kHz to 23 kHz, will > cause modulation of the audio output by these frequencies, resulting > in a blurring of the audio, and a general degradation of the audio > quality. This is more likely to be a problem with older vintage > tuners than with newer tuners, and the extent of the problem will > depend on the robustness of the 38 kHz regeneration circuits used in > the receiver. > > > Perhaps someone here can add to this but, a CE friend of mine tells > > me that overmodulating into the 19KHz pilot is no longer a fear. > > There is already the technology to instantly, and automatically, > > replace the pilot when it is 'modulated upon'. > > Marv, who better than you to expand on this, as you are a receiver > manufacturer, and presumably "the technology to instantly, and > automatically, replace the pilot when it is modulated upon" would be a > function of the receiver. > > However I do wonder if you and your CE friend may have been talking > about two somewhat different issues? Your CE friend may have been > talking about the effects on the 19 kHz pilot tone of "composite > clipping" at the transmitter. I believe later composite clippers did > incorporate technology to solve this problem after the FCC came down > hard on stations using composite clippers. > > John From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Jun 19 12:11:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99967 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 19:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 19:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 19:11:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 19:11:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:11:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Well, DAH Kevin! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 443 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Well DAH, Kevin, with over 150,000 hits, this site is far and away the most active thing on the web concerning the beast we know and love, AM Stereo. Sarcastalamb a.k.a. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > 1. Go to: > > > http://www.google.com > > > > > 2. Type in: > > > AM stereo > > > (with or without quotes) > > > > > 3. Click "I'm Feeling Lucky". > > > > > Ta-daa! From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Jun 19 12:40:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73860 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 19:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 19:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 19:40:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 19:40:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:40:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Try this.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 438 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.57.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > 1. Go to: > > > http://www.google.com > > > > > 2. Type in: > > > AM stereo > > > (with or without quotes) > > > > > 3. Click "I'm Feeling Lucky". > > > > > Ta-daa! Very good it works though with any unusual domain name ie my ham call m1ctk brings up my ham webpage... Btw your site has a number of dead links on the more mp3s section :-) From jon@kenneke.com Thu Jun 19 12:43:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77764 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 19:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 19:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 19:43:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5JJhY321941 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:43:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:43:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Good car radio recommendations... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: jon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664 X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke I am wanting/needing to install a new stereo in my VW Van. Yeah, i'd love to have an AMS capable unit, but that's not gonna happen. The Van has a "standard" size mounting hole. Soooooo, I don't want/need top o' the line, and I certainly don't want to spend that kind of money. Any recommendations? I'd like to stay under $200 (I already have speakers). It's important to me to have good AM/FM specs. Don't need "satellite ready", etc. Thanks, Jon From jwelton@nautel.com Thu Jun 19 12:50:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46020 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 19:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 19:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.25.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 19:50:04 -0000 Received: FROM jeff BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Thu Jun 19 16:53:20 2003 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:49:16 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Bigger Picture Message-ID: <3EF1E97B.16332.1B15EA6@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1056042829.1102.53336.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff_welton At the risk of becoming the group "devil's advocate", it's time to plant foot in mouth and edge up to the precipice... > developed. A certain system may go through all the traditional > analog criteria (frequency response, S/N ratio, etc.) with nearly > perfect results, but what good is that if the resulting audio is > filled with "artifacts" and sounds horrible? Umm, if it passes freq. response, S/N and THD, how can the resulting audio be filled with artifacts? By definition, artifacts should show up in a THD analysis (or at least, in a THD+N test, which is pretty much a standard for broadcast audio testing - I dunno about production audio). If specs coming out equal specs coming in, then I start to wonder if the artifacts aren't a subjective product. That is, the listener knows the signal is digital, the listener is convinced digital sounds bad, the listener perceives the signal to sound bad - regardless of the spectral purity. This comes back to the tubes vs. solid state argument. Audio purists insists tubes sound better and transistors distort the sound, making it more tinny. I tend to disagree, but who am I to judge? The only way to confirm for sure is with double blind testing, where two similar samples are treated two different ways (or not) and switched back and forth without the listener knowing what they are hearing at any particular time. Then let them judge if one is better than the other or not. The reason I bring this up is because it seems like it's always easier to assume the test is flawed when the results don't turn out the way we expected. Perhaps the test is fine, but our perception makes it appear flawed. Note that I didn't say our perception was flawed, because I believe that perception is like opinion - everybody has one and there's no exact way to determine whether one is more right than another. > appropriately, the ear. Any system is only as strong as its weakest > link -- and with "lossy" digital audio compression, such as used by > IBOC and DRM, that weakest link is *us* -- humans perceptions and > preferences. Which aptly summarizes my point - you can't please all of the people all of the time. In fact, when you try to please most of the people most of the time, you usually end up with a bland, inoffensive product that REALLY irritates some of the people all of the time. Go Figure. Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Jun 19 12:54:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97760 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 19:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 19:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 19:54:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 19:54:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:54:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Try this.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 455 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.72 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > 1. Go to: > > http://www.google.com > > 2. Type in: > > AM stereo > > (with or without quotes) > > 3. Click "I'm Feeling Lucky". > > Ta-daa! And if you want to learn about the best ever AM Stereo system just follow these simple steps. 1. Go to: http://www.google.com 2. Type in: RCA AM stereo (with or without quotes) 3. Click "I'm Feeling Lucky". Ta-daa! John From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Jun 19 13:17:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17598 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 20:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 20:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 20:17:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 20:17:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:17:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The Bigger Picture Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EF1E97B.16332.1B15EA6@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.72 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Welton" wrote: > At the risk of becoming the group "devil's advocate", it's time to > plant foot in mouth and edge up to the precipice... > > > developed. A certain system may go through all the traditional > > analog criteria (frequency response, S/N ratio, etc.) with nearly > > perfect results, but what good is that if the resulting audio is > > filled with "artifacts" and sounds horrible? > > Umm, if it passes freq. response, S/N and THD, how can the resulting > audio be filled with artifacts? By definition, artifacts should > show up in a THD analysis (or at least, in a THD+N test, which is > pretty much a standard for broadcast audio testing - I dunno about > production audio). If specs coming out equal specs coming in, then > I start to wonder if the artifacts aren't a subjective product. No, the artifacts are real. You need to do some studying on lossy coders, they are very good at coding single tones such as are used in the type of testing you mention, they can have extremely low distortion and noise under those conditions. You need to use a more complex test signal to stress them and get the artifacts to rear their ugly heads. John From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Jun 19 14:29:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85389 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 21:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 21:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 21:29:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 21:29:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:29:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: So you can still buy a Sony SRF-42 ?? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 178 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.54.124 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Just found out about froogle.com and put on sony srf-42 :- http://www.smilephotovideo.com/details.cfm? store=&category=&itemno=SOSRF42 Can't be many selling them new surely ? From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jun 19 15:15:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73952 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 22:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 22:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 22:15:57 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.74]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:15:57 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} AFN Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:15:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay...so they ARE on shortwave. Kevin......any idea what the SSB frequency is? I'd like to listen too. MJR in WYO -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter [mailto:possumhunter@netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:52 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com You are lucky! The only way we can hear AFN in North America is the Single Side Band Short-Wave feed. Kevin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 16:53:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27381 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 23:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 23:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 23:53:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 23:53:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:53:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Try this.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 466 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.204 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: =snip= > And if you want to learn about the best ever AM Stereo system just > follow these simple steps. > > 1. Go to: > > http://www.google.com > > 2. Type in: > > RCA AM stereo > > (with or without quotes) > > 3. Click "I'm Feeling Lucky". > > Ta-daa! > > John I'm not saying a word. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 17:02:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57539 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 00:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 00:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 00:02:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 00:02:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:02:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AFN Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 269 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.204 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Okay...so they ARE on shortwave. Kevin......any idea what the SSB frequency > is? I'd like to listen too. Go here: http://myafn.dodmedia.osd.mil/radio/shortwave/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 18:02:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60510 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 01:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 01:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 01:02:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 01:02:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:02:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The Bigger Picture Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EF1E97B.16332.1B15EA6@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1544 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Umm, if it passes freq. response, S/N and THD, how can the > resulting audio be filled with artifacts? It can, because the characteristics of digitally compressed audio are not constant. One moment, you can throw white noise at an encoder, and it will have a ruler-flat response up to 20 kHz. The next moment, you can run a gentle piano solo through the encoder, and it will start cutting out everything above 12 or 13 kHz, because it thinks you "can't hear" these delicate low-level high frequencies. This is much different than uncompressed analog and digital formats, where the characteristics remain constant, no matter what kind of source audio is used. Tests involving stereo separation are even more unpredictable. With proper phasing and audio content similar to "normal music", you may get full seperation at all frequencies. But throw something like out-of-phase white noise to the encoder, and hear it fall to pieces-- in that case, systems like RealAudio will drastically cut the L-R audio bandwidth down to only 3 or 4 kHz. A digital audio compression system can EASILY be manipulated to respond to traditional "analog-style" audio tests, such as white noise, sine wave sweeps, test tones, etc., and provide optimal results. (Indeed, the iBiquity folks measured IBOC on AM to have something like a 100 dB S/N ratio, and 90 dB stereo separation -- even greater than that of many CD players.) But, with "real-world" audio, the results can be surprisingly different -- and often much less impressive. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Jun 19 18:58:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29328 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 01:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 01:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 01:58:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 01:58:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:58:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The Bigger Picture Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1970 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Tests involving stereo separation are even more unpredictable. With > proper phasing and audio content similar to "normal music", you may > get full seperation at all frequencies. But throw something like > out-of-phase white noise to the encoder, and hear it fall to pieces-- > in that case, systems like RealAudio will drastically cut the L-R > audio bandwidth down to only 3 or 4 kHz. > > A digital audio compression system can EASILY be manipulated to > respond to traditional "analog-style" audio tests, such as white > noise, sine wave sweeps, test tones, etc., and provide optimal > results. (Indeed, the iBiquity folks measured IBOC on AM to have > something like a 100 dB S/N ratio, and 90 dB stereo separation -- > even greater than that of many CD players.) But, with "real-world" > audio, the results can be surprisingly different -- and often much > less impressive. On the subject of stereo separation. In the past I have used joint stereo with lame and it sounded pretty good but after experimeting with ogg I discovered bettter streo separation and spatial imaging. The lame docs say that they use joint mode only when it's not going the degrade the stereo image but I have found that not to be true. There was a slight loss in the spatial imaging of the stereo signal but not much. Just listening to a lame encoded file you can't really tell but it does show up in A/B testing. To make sure that it wasn't a major difference between lame and ogg files I redid many in lame with discrete stereo and it did improve the spacial imaging. To describe it simply the joint mode seemed a bit flat but the discrete mode seemed to jump out and have more of a surrounding effect. The phasing between the channels is very important for reimaging the original stereo signal and using joint mode which uses a mid/side (L+R & L-R) process tends to degrade this. JSG From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 19:18:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47963 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 02:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 02:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 02:18:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 02:18:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:18:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of QuAM paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2323 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 172.163.46.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > > wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > > > wrote: > > > > > > =snip= > > > > Well, let's see... There're a number of very brilliant people > here- > > I > > > don't think I'm necessarily one of them. > > > > I'd beg to differ. :) > > Some might say that, but I wouldn't- I'm terribly weak on math, but I > can get a few of the mathematical concepts. :) I prefer the "nuts & > volts" of understanding AM stereo and general radio theories. :) > You too, eh? > > My personal fave is still the Kahn approach. Too bad he had to go > > after Motorola the same way DeForest went after Armstrong. Or was > it > > more of an Armstrong vs. RCA sort of thing. Hmmm.... > > For Kahn I gotta say... WHICH ONE?? He had proposed two different ISB > systems- bandpass filters to be selective with sidebands, and a > phased ISB system, based on QUAM. And even with the latter, there > were several different proposals over the decades to approach that. > > It was Armstrong v. RCA, since Armstrong strongly advocated slope > detection instead of direct FM to voltage conversion (ie: an FM > discriminator) which achieves cleaner results. > > For what it's worth, RCA and Westinghouse both proposed AM/FM systems > in the late 1950s, with Westinghouse following the armstrong > approach, and RCA using the discriminator approach. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ For Kahn's approach(es), the bandpass approach seems to make more sense to me. Simpler to impliment. I have an older "radio handbook" (Orr author) that shows a "Travis discriminator". Looks like it uses double slope detection in its operation. Technology aside, been having a pretty rough time lately. Spoke to the KFTI engineer here in Wichita, seems like the days for having the Motorola exciter in line are numbered. This means that until I'm able to get my part-15 AM up and running, Wichita will be without C- QUAM. Also, he's not too excited about having IBOC being "shoved down their throat" either. Weird times for radio here in the heart of America. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 19:27:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67806 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 02:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 02:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 02:27:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 02:27:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:27:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The Bigger Picture Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2918 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > On the subject of stereo separation. In the past I have used joint > stereo with lame and it sounded pretty good but after experimeting > with ogg I discovered bettter streo separation and spatial imaging. I normally don't use MP3 for my personal music archival, but just for giggles I threw a track from the 1959 "Persuasive Percussion" LP at LAME 3.90 with the "--alt-preset standard" setting, and according to the utility "MP3GUESS", the file was encoded as discrete Stereo about 95% of the time and Joint Stereo only about 5% of the time. Other formats like MusePack (MPC) and Ogg Vorbis (OGG) are more sophisticated in the "joint stereo" methods they use, with things like the ability to encode different audio frequency ranges with different stereo methods. For example, the bass can be Joint Stereo while the high treble can be discrete stereo, simultaneously in one frame. With regular MP3, this is not possible -- the choice of stereo method can only apply to the whole audio content. Frank Klemm's MPC encoder (MPCENC) also gives you the option of choosing how sensitive you want the joint stereo encoding to be. I always use "--ms 15" which is the maximum sensitivity and maintains the best integrity of the L-R component, at the expense of a slightly higher bit-rate. Lower values (including the default) tend to degrade the L-R component when it thinks that the L+R component will be dominant to your ears at that instant. In fact, this causes some of the cymbal crashes in the Beatles' "Here Comes The Sun" to be encoded as mono, with the L-R component dropping out completely for that instant of the song, because the encoder thinks you won't hear the difference. I do -- so I tweaked the setting and the results are much better to my ears. But, what I just got through explaining is a perfect illustration of my original point in this thread -- "lossy" digital audio compression is HIGHLY subjective in nature. iBiquity can easily find some people who think that PAC at 36 kbps sounds GREAT, nevermind the fact that an even larger group of people think it sounds like rubbish. It's just like the phone companies who are stumbling over themselves to promote their "STATIC-FREE" and "CRYSTAL CLEAR" digital cell phone service -- nevermind the fact that ofttimes, the resulting highly- artifacted audio sounds worse than Edison's original talking machine playing "Mary Had a Little Lamb"! Similarly amusing is DRM's audio samples, in which a recorded voice promotes its "exceptional audio and voice quality" -- nevermind how even at the highest bit-rates it offers, it even makes IBOC sound good in comparison, at least to my ears! (They have one sample of DRM at a whopping 2.4 kbps -- which is amazing for how it can produce any intelligible audio at all at that low of a bit-rate, but not amazing for its quality, or should I say complete lack thereof.) From amstereoforum@widgets.acme.com Thu Jun 19 22:50:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoforum@widgets.acme.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34393 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 05:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 05:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 05:50:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 05:50:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:50:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: So you can still buy a Sony SRF-42 ?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 425 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "megryan65000" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.52.187 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148564542 X-Yahoo-Profile: megryan65000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > Just found out about froogle.com and put on sony srf-42... And maybe you can buy one here, too: http://www.aaacamera.com/sony_radio_walkmans.html Of course this operation has an address which turns out to be a vacant lot, and one of the phone numbers rings through to a nextel wireless phone. Luckily the web reveals the risk in dealing with them. From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jun 20 07:51:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30755 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 14:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 14:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 14:51:14 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:51:13 -0600 Message-ID: <004601c3373b$65760f60$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AFN Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:51:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Amy! Got 'em! Will have to try for them! MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: amymousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:02 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AFN --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Okay...so they ARE on shortwave. Kevin......any idea what the SSB frequency > is? I'd like to listen too. Go here: http://myafn.dodmedia.osd.mil/radio/shortwave/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jim@burgan.net Fri Jun 20 07:51:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71304 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 14:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 14:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.asp.att.net) (63.240.76.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 14:51:25 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-233-146.client.insightbb.com[12.221.233.146]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030620144934im200aepgre>; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:49:34 +0000 Message-ID: <012101c3373b$2ac38280$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Try this.... Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:49:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >And of course you remember what happens when you type: French Military >Victories >and press I'm Feeling Lucky. I did just that, to see what would happen and I am still rolling on the floor..... From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jun 20 07:53:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63668 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 14:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 14:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 14:53:22 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:53:22 -0600 Message-ID: <005401c3373b$b2038880$5401010a@AM> To: References: <012101c3373b$2ac38280$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Try this.... Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:53:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL!! That IS funny MJR ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Try this.... >And of course you remember what happens when you type: French Military >Victories >and press I'm Feeling Lucky. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 07:55:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34791 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 14:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 14:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12808.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 14:55:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20030620145505.45814.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:55:05 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20T.?=" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is from another radio group.... From: Rich Wood (richbwood@earthlink.net) Subject: Re: Salem radio sucks! Newsgroups: rec.radio.broadcasting Date: 2003-06-19 11:03:03 PST > AM radio is dead. > >> KGO radio appears to be taking the largest audience and the largest >> advertising revenue up here. Notice that the top 3 stations in San Francisco's rolling averages are AM. If being #1 makes you dead the afterlife has got to be driven by AM radio. Notice that WBZ, Boston, is also #1. The #1 station in San Diego is KOGO, another AM. Did I mention that 3 of the top 4 Chicago stations are AM? How about the top 2 stations in Detroit? WJR and WWJ? Oh, have I forgotten KYW in Philadelphia? Atlanta. WSB. Cincinatti. WLW. Denver. KOA. Hartford. WTIC. Louisville. WHAS. Pittsburgh. KDKA. Sacramento. KFBK. Seattle. KIRO. St Louis. KMOX. I'm getting tired of making the list, but I think you probably get the point. AM is dead. Long live AM. Rich __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Jun 20 08:08:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18229 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 15:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 15:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 15:08:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 15:08:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:08:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030620145505.45814.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 206 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.206 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > AM radio is dead. Of course AM Radio is not dead, it's still very alive and kicking, it's just AM Stereo that's dead. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 08:19:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95050 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 15:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 15:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 15:19:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 15:19:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:19:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 267 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > it's just AM Stereo that's dead. That must be why the AM Stereo Forum has 192 members and over 10,000 messages posted, why the IBOC/"HD Radio" Forum has 16 members and a total of 5 messages posted? (See: http://www.bdcast.com/forum/index.php?site=bdcast ) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 08:35:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49355 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 15:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 15:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12805.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 15:35:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20030620153555.21903.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:35:55 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Try this.... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20T.?=" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I did just that, to see what would happen and I am still rolling > on the floor..... When you click on "I'm Feeling Lucky" in Google, look closely at the URL at the top of the screen. What appears to be a legitimate Google search result page is actually a parody, hosted by another web site: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/victories.html Hmmm... maybe I should create a parody of the iBiquity web site, for when somebody types in "CD-Quality IBOC" or "Noise-Free HD Radio"? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 09:25:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6494 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 16:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 16:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12802.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 16:25:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20030620162517.22783.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:25:17 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Florida AM station for sale, $165k To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20T.?=" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is from another radio message board... WPRY is on 1400 kHz (yes, a "graveyard channel" station) in Perry, Florida, about 75 miles southeast of Tallahassee. Current format is a mixture of Talk and Oldies -- basically a traditional "hometown"-type station. They have a web site at: http://www.wpry.com/ Since it's a so-called "cash cow", there should be no trouble in justifying the expense of upgrading to AM Stereo... ===================================== All of you people who talk about pooling your resources and buying a radio station here's your chance, looks like a good deal. Facility: WPRY AM 1 Kw Fulltime Location: Florida Market: Perry Price: $165,000.00 Status: Currently for sale This is a cash cow. Expenses are $1,815 a month, billing averages more than $4K a month with no salespeople on the street. All real estate comes with the deal, including a unipole tower, tower site and studio buildings. Cash only. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 09:41:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42921 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 16:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 16:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 16:41:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 16:41:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:41:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030620145505.45814.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1610 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.242 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > This is from another radio group.... > > > From: Rich Wood (richbwood@e...) > Subject: Re: Salem radio sucks! > Newsgroups: rec.radio.broadcasting > Date: 2003-06-19 11:03:03 PST > > > AM radio is dead. > > > >> KGO radio appears to be taking the largest audience and the largest > >> advertising revenue up here. > > Notice that the top 3 stations in San Francisco's rolling averages are AM. =snip= I can attest to that. How many stations can you think of with superb morning, noon and afternoon news programs & crews, plus have for daily talk show hosts, in order, a conservative democrat, a doctor, a conservative republican, a libertarian, and two different liberal democrats, plus various others on the weekends -- None of which are syndicated (except for the doctor, whose programs originate on KGO), although KGO's only non-original syndicated programming is on on the weekends, but that's like 4 to 6 hours a week. All this with complete autonomy from parent company Disney/ABC. And yes, I listen to them. Used to be a local relay of them up here, but the owners of the relay station dropped KGO because KGO dropped Laura Schlesinger, so now, I rely on the internet, with a screwy ChanCast streaming audio system. I can get 810 on my radio at night, but not without some overload/adjacent-channel interference from 790 KWSW. Say what you may about "liberal" talk show hosts, but you may not have heard "liberal" until you've heard Bernie Ward and Ray Taliafero. (I like Bernie.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mark_608@hotmail.com Fri Jun 20 11:30:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41968 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 18:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 18:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.27) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 18:30:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:30:01 -0700 Received: from 136.1.1.154 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:30:01 GMT X-Originating-Email: [mark_608@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: SRF 42s Available??? Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:30:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2003 18:30:01.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6293AA0:01C33759] From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [136.1.1.154] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 I tried to place an order for an SRF42 from the camera place and got an email saying they are "temporarily out of stock", not real surprisingly. I would bet on the temporary situation as being more permanent.... Mark _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Jun 20 11:53:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5477 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 18:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 18:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 18:53:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 18:53:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:53:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Florida AM station for sale, $165k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030620162517.22783.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1703 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Gee, if each of us gave up one large Tim Horton's double double a day, and with the revenue minus expenses - must be a one person show - manager, voicetrack artist, secretary - talk about versatile - we could all be on easy street! Seriously, for some poor old or poor young radio crazed person, who wanted to run a one man or one woman band, and put his or her kids on the air, it could work. And Florida would sound pretty nice next January! Phil R. P.S. Would they accept Canadian Tire money??? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > This is from another radio message board... WPRY is on 1400 kHz (yes, > a "graveyard channel" station) in Perry, Florida, about 75 miles > southeast of Tallahassee. Current format is a mixture of Talk and > Oldies -- basically a traditional "hometown"-type station. They have > a web site at: > http://www.wpry.com/ > Since it's a so-called "cash cow", there should be no trouble in > justifying the expense of upgrading to AM Stereo... > > ===================================== > > All of you people who talk about pooling your resources and buying > a radio station here's your chance, looks like a good deal. > > Facility: WPRY AM 1 Kw Fulltime > Location: Florida > Market: Perry > Price: $165,000.00 > Status: Currently for sale > > This is a cash cow. Expenses are $1,815 a month, billing averages > more than $4K a month with no salespeople on the street. All real > estate comes with the deal, including a unipole tower, tower site > and studio buildings. Cash only. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Jun 20 12:00:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20089 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 19:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 19:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 19:00:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 19:00:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:00:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 644 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking AM Quadraphonic is dead ;) AM Stereo, like tube audio in say the 70s and 80s, is sleeping, posed to make a "cult" following revival. AM Stereo is cool! Phil R. P.S. Question - will my daughter be wearing an "AM Stereo is Cool" T- shirt in few years time. Tell a bunch of teenagers that AM is NOT COOL, and AM will be the coolest thing around. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > AM radio is dead. > > Of course AM Radio is not dead, it's still very alive and kicking, > it's just AM Stereo that's dead. > > John From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Jun 20 12:03:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65915 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 19:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 19:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 19:03:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 19:03:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:03:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 497 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking CAT FIGHT! CAT FIGHT! RUN AMY RUN! Sarcastalamb a.k.a. Phil R. P.S. Amy, we're getting the number of posts up, one way or another. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > it's just AM Stereo that's dead. > > > That must be why the AM Stereo Forum has 192 members and over 10,000 > messages posted, why the IBOC/"HD Radio" Forum has 16 members and a > total of 5 messages posted? > > > (See: http://www.bdcast.com/forum/index.php?site=bdcast ) From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri Jun 20 12:26:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27339 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 19:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 19:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 19:26:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 19:26:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:26:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Florida AM station for sale, $165k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030620162517.22783.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1043 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.197.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Yes it would be fun to own a radio station but I can see why they are selling it. Your income would only be around $24,000 a year. And yes you would have to work 24 /7. Kevin are you sure they are on the air? According to the Broadcasting Yearbook 2002-2003 It was last purchased for $190,000.00 on 2-14-02 by Worldlink Technologies Group Inc. and is curently dark (no longer broadcasting). It list Amy Crain as VP and general manager. There is also a class A FM station on air in Perry at 92.1 WNFK. The market probably cannot support both. > > Facility: WPRY AM 1 Kw Fulltime > Location: Florida > Market: Perry > Price: $165,000.00 > Status: Currently for sale > > This is a cash cow. Expenses are $1,815 a month, billing averages > more than $4K a month with no salespeople on the street. All real > estate comes with the deal, including a unipole tower, tower site > and studio buildings. Cash only. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 12:41:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20132 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 19:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 19:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 19:41:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 19:41:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:41:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: cat fight? MEOW ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 370 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 207.232.195.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: > CAT FIGHT! CAT FIGHT! > > RUN AMY RUN! > > Sarcastalamb > > a.k.a. Phil R. MEOW? [JK's ears perk up.] Hey Amy, want to see me irritate the squirrels?? I chase them, and stop right before I could catch them. Or back to sleep basking in the sun. JK [Powell is my staff member] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 12:48:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66347 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 19:48:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 19:48:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 19:48:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 19:48:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:48:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Florida AM station for sale, $165k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1069 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 207.232.195.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > Yes it would be fun to own a radio station but I can see why they are > selling it. Your income would only be around $24,000 a year. And yes > you would have to work 24 /7. Kevin are you sure they are on the air? But the report said no one was actually selling. In a small market you should do $10,000 a month with a bit of work. > According to the Broadcasting Yearbook 2002-2003 It was last purchased > for $190,000.00 on 2-14-02 by Worldlink Technologies Group Inc. and is > curently dark (no longer broadcasting). It list Amy Crain as VP and > general manager. There is also a class A FM station on air in Perry at > 92.1 WNFK. The market probably cannot support both. I don't think Perry is that small of a town. I looked and in 1998 it was around 7300 and the county 18,000, so with work yes, more than one station can be supported. It is close to the coast in the SE panhandle and not very far from Tallahassee. Powell [ with JK now snoozing in the sun] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 14:00:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74199 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 21:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 21:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 21:00:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 21:00:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:00:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 461 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I can hear KGO just fine most of the time at night (and have on occasion with a Select-A-Tenna and Panasonic RQ-SW10 Shockwave heard it during the day), even though I get interference from ESPN Radio 800 (XEMMM Tijuana) and XEROK 800 Ciudad Juarez. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: I can get 810 on my radio at night, > but not without some overload/adjacent-channel interference from 790 > KWSW. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w6yn@juno.com Fri Jun 20 15:11:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72290 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 22:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 22:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 22:11:56 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCaFckgVI87verO4S8XhG4JA=">; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:11:33 EDT Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H26BESVL; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:11:33 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:09:26 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: <20030620.150928.1896.3.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-5,7-8,11-12,15-19,21-51 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: W6YN Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I have a Fascist friend of mine that says he only listens to Bernie Ward, so I took a listen. I was surprised to hear hour after hour of left-wing whining and why we should hate Bush. But that is why the democratic-socilaists (liberals) have so few talk radio programs - they are NOT FUN to listen to. Bernie may be a nice guy, but he reminds me of my Jewish grandmother - she was a Democrat because she was born that way. You know -Judaism - The Democratic party with holidays. Yes, I know Bernie was a Catholic priest. (Not that I am inferring there is anything wrong with that or that he likes teen age boys as many priests do!) [a little Seinfeld humor there] Regards, Don ----------------------------- On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:41:27 -0000 "amymousie" writes: > > How many stations can you think of with superb morning, noon and > afternoon news programs & crews, plus have for daily talk show > hosts, > in order, a conservative democrat, a doctor, a conservative > republican, a libertarian, and two different liberal democrats, plus > > various others on the weekends -- None of which are syndicated > (except for the doctor, whose programs originate on KGO), although > KGO's only non-original syndicated programming is on on the > weekends, > but that's like 4 to 6 hours a week. > > All this with complete autonomy from parent company Disney/ABC. > > And yes, I listen to them. Used to be a local relay of them up here, > > but the owners of the relay station dropped KGO because KGO dropped > Laura Schlesinger, so now, I rely on the internet, with a screwy > ChanCast streaming audio system. I can get 810 on my radio at night, > > but not without some overload/adjacent-channel interference from 790 > > KWSW. > > Say what you may about "liberal" talk show hosts, but you may not > have heard "liberal" until you've heard Bernie Ward and Ray > Taliafero. (I like Bernie.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Fri Jun 20 15:28:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10597 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 22:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 22:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.19) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 22:28:06 -0000 Received: from user-1000.bbd01tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.67.232] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19TUMX-00083V-9g for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:28:05 +0100 Message-ID: <9XOSF7Kvo48+EwmB@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:26:55 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Good car radio recommendations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Jon, Keep an eye on eBay for a nice Becker for the AMS US market model. I have two. One out of a Merc with AMS, the other an ex-Porsche unit for our European market without AMS but with a whole bunch of short-wave bands. Got change out of $200 for the pair! Regards -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 15:29:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96256 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 22:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 22:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 22:29:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 22:29:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:29:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030620.150928.1896.3.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 329 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 12.93.44.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Even small AM stations rate. WKDK 1240 is 1 KW full time and we've been #1 in the county EVEN with the FM station that is now sold and moved, and the other AM daytimer. And we do play music, the format would actually be classified as "full service" and that WKDK tries to do, and does well. Live no satellite music. Powell From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Jun 20 16:15:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81748 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 23:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 23:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 23:15:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 23:15:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:15:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alternate methods of QuAM paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1739 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.60 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > > Feeding an ampliphase arrangement is really what I was after in the > first place. The only thing is, what extra "bistromath" would we > have to get the drive regulator to do with such a weird signal, at > least as far as the ampliphase is concerned. Weird in the sense that > avg carrier has the phases 90 deg apart instead of 135. This is, > however an ongoing work. As I commented earlier, I don't believe it would be necessary, or even desirable to operate the two RF channels with a 90 degree phase difference in a C-QUAM version of an Ampliphase type exciter, I suspect 135 degrees should be used as in the normal Ampliphase transmitter. I wouldn't expect the drive regulator to be a problem, it only needs to see the phase difference, or "L+R" signal between the two RF channels, the PM or "L-R" component which varies the phase of both RF channels together wouldn't need any change in drive level. As a result I don't see the drive regulator as a big issue here. I believe the original BTA-50G design didn't even include the drive regulator, which seems to have been an after thought added to the Ampliphase transmitter design as it first went into service. I believe the drive regulator serves two purposes, it increases the negative modulation capability when the two RF channels aren't precisely aligned to have exactly the same gain, which would normally prevent negative modulation peaks going down to zero carrier level. Secondly I believe it provides an efficiency boost by tailoring the drive level more closely to what is required at the different power output levels as the transmitter is modulated. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Jun 20 16:17:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85508 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 23:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 23:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 23:17:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 23:17:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:17:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1022 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.60 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > it's just AM Stereo that's dead. > > That must be why the AM Stereo Forum has 192 members and over 10,000 > messages posted, why the IBOC/"HD Radio" Forum has 16 members and a > total of 5 messages posted? I think you are shooting yourself in the foot with that argument! Considering just the US, which I believe has a population in excess of 300 million, a small group of less than 200 rabid AM stereo fanatics is hardly enough to provide the required economic support for AM stereo broadcasting. The situation becomes even worse when you consider that those 200 AM stereo enthusiasts come from all over the world, not just the US, and the world population is considerably larger, making the percentage support for AM stereo even smaller. As far as IBOC goes, it is also an AM stereo system, and as such may suffer the same fate as the analog AM stereo systems, unless its digital advantages prove to be overwhelming. John From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri Jun 20 16:44:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69968 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2003 23:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2003 23:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 23:44:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2003 23:44:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:44:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Florida AM station for sale, $165k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 979 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.199.97 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding > But the report said no one was actually selling. In a small market > you should do $10,000 a month with a bit of work. > > I don't think Perry is that small of a town. I looked and in 1998 it > was around 7300 and the county 18,000, so with work yes, more than > one station can be supported. It is close to the coast in the SE > panhandle and not very far from Tallahassee. > > Powell [ with JK now snoozing in the sun] The problem with a small town station like this is you can go for months with almost no revenue until November, December when your log fills up with Christmas ads. It would have been very easy to hire salepeople on pure commission, lets say 50% commission to bring in some revenue if it could be down. The reality is the only time these small stations like this prosper is if the local owner also owns a cash cow like the local supermarket and uses the radio station as a tax writeoff. I started out in small market radio and I know the reality. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 17:28:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91644 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 00:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 00:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 00:28:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 00:28:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:28:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Good car radio recommendations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9XOSF7Kvo48+EwmB@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 615 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Keep an eye on eBay for a nice Becker for the AMS US market model. As equipped in Mercedes cars in the mid to late '80s, these Becker radios were fine pieces of equipment. If it has a small logo saying "AM-FM STEREO" on the cassette door, it has AM Stereo. These radios are capable of fine-tuning on AM in 1 kHz steps, and I believe they also have Expanded Band tuning. Just be sure you get the security code with the radio, or else it will refuse to operate, and it'll be a hassle to obtain the proper code. In some cases you may even have to send the radio back to Becker so they can "re-code" it. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 17:36:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73353 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 00:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 00:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 00:36:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 00:36:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:36:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030620.150928.1896.3.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 433 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.242 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > I have a Fascist friend of mine that says he only listens to Bernie Ward, > so I took a listen. Do you know what fascism is? I doubt you do. It's corporate-based nationalism. > I was surprised to hear hour after hour of left-wing whining and why we > should hate Bush. =snip= > Regards, Don Speakingt of hate-filled rhetoric.... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 17:44:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30561 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 00:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 00:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 00:44:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 00:44:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:44:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1606 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Even small AM stations rate. WKDK 1240 is 1 KW full time and we've > been #1 in the county EVEN with the FM station that is now sold and > moved, and the other AM daytimer. And we do play music, the format > would actually be classified as "full service" and that WKDK tries > to do, and does well. Live no satellite music. One well-known example is WICC 600 AM Stereo in Bridgeport, CT -- 1000 watts daytime, 500 watts nighttime, and until they killed off the music and community interest shows, WICC was consistently #1 or #2 in the Bridgeport ratings, often beating out their co-owned 50,000-WATT Adult Contemporary FM sister station (WEBE 108)! Even with syndicated talk shows (like "Dr." Laura and Clark Howard), WICC is still at least in the Top 5 of the Bridgeport ratings, and still broadcasts in AM Stereo -- they even mention it on their web site as "the area's best AM Stereo signal". And they mean it -- with a low dial position and an advantageous coastal location, WICC's daytime groundwave coverage is truly massive, stretching for hundreds of miles along the Eastern coast. But even "graveyard channel" stations can do very well. One example is right in my own area -- WCTC 1450 AM Stereo in New Brunswick, NJ. WCTC is a heritage central NJ station, on the air since 1946. Due to intense competition from New York City stations, they aren't at or near the top of the local ratings, but WCTC has consistently done well and currently boasts and all-live, all-local talk show line-up from 6:00 AM to 7:00 PM on weekdays -- all proudly broadcast in full AM Stereo! From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 20 18:00:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84193 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 01:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 01:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 01:00:44 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-70.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.70]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5L10YoG017109 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:00:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002e01c33790$986ceec0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030619094654.02c26bb0@mail.direct.ca> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-400C (was a multitude of other topics) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:00:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude DOH! I was thinking of the Continental. Somewhat amazing is how the lowly 833A with its 350w plate dissipation could far outlast any 4-400 or 4-500 in a kilowatt transmitter. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Roach" > --the McMartian used four 4-500 tubes, two operating push pull for the > modulators, two class C for the RF amp. The 5-500 would > be a pentode, and not interchangeable with the 4-400, which is a tetrode. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 18:00:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43626 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 01:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 01:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 01:00:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 01:00:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:00:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1230 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think you are shooting yourself in the foot with that argument! And I think you are taking yourself too seriously -- as usual. Besides, IBOC has millions of dollars and numerous large corporations backing it -- but for what? Does anybody outside of the radio industry even care about it? Even 710 WOR doesn't promote their "HD Radio" signal on the air anymore, nor does 102.7 WNEW -- and these are two "flagship" IBOC stations in the #1 city in the USA. Where are the TV commercials and magazine ads saying "HD Radio, On The Air Now!" or "HD Radio, In Stores Soon!"? Where are the hundreds of stations that iBiquity said would be using it now? (Right now, the grand total for IBOC is a few dozen FMs, and more AM stations have *stopped* using IBOC than the total of those who are currently using it). Where are the receivers that iBiquity said would be on store shelves this month? I think we can all agree that AM Stereo isn't in a state of growth, and hasn't been for a few years now. But even for it to maintain its status quo is a testament to AM Stereo's redeeming value, for both broadcasters and listeners. What is the redeeming value of IBOC, other than giving us something to gossip about? From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 20 18:18:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78472 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 01:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 01:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 01:18:39 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-70.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.70]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5L1IVoG022364 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:18:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004b01c33793$19f654c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Good car radio recommendations... Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:18:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If the demodulation isn't on some humongous chip, whatever radio you get might be convertible to AMS with one of Chris Cuff's decoder boards. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jon" > I am wanting/needing to install a new stereo in my VW Van. Yeah, i'd love > to have an AMS capable unit, but that's not gonna happen. The Van has a > "standard" size mounting hole. From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Jun 20 18:47:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72041 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 01:47:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 01:47:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 01:47:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 01:47:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:47:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 300 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >it's just AM Stereo that's dead. So Explain Lucy, if AM stereo is dead, then why do MW AM stereo products get sold for a premium price on Ebay:say $125 for SRF-A100 that went for half that price new in its day. I wish I could teach my money to do that. - Mario Orazio Remember, AMStereoRules From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Jun 20 18:50:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63393 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 01:50:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 01:50:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 01:50:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 01:50:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:50:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Florida AM station for sale, $165k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 177 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >I started out in small market radio and I know the reality. And what are you doing now, Mr. Doug owner of 2 Fanfare AM stereo decoders. -Mario Orazio Remember, AMStereoRules From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Jun 20 18:50:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68818 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 01:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 01:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 01:50:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 01:50:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:50:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 637 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > But even "graveyard channel" stations can do very well. One example > is right in my own area -- WCTC 1450 AM Stereo in New Brunswick, NJ. > WCTC is a heritage central NJ station, on the air since 1946. What is a "heritage" station? I have frequently seen this term used, but have no idea what it really means. I never even considered that a station built in 1946 as part of the post war AM band expansion could even remotely be considered a "heritage" station, but then I guess I must not be thinking of this from the correct perspective. John From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Jun 20 18:54:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69482 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 01:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 01:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 01:54:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 01:54:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:54:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 249 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >I never even considered that a station built in 1946 as part of the >post war AM band expansion could even remotely be considered >a "heritage" station, but then I guess I must not be thinking of >this from the correct perspective. It figures. From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Jun 20 18:59:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78811 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 01:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 01:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 01:59:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 01:59:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:59:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 609 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I think you are shooting yourself in the foot with that argument! > > And I think you are taking yourself too seriously -- as usual. And I think you are confused as usual. I'm not sure why you feel you must turn every thread into an IBOC thread, I guess it was a mistake to even mention that IBOC was pretty much in the same boat as AM stereo, which I only did because you brought IBOC into the discussion. Nobody, meaning the public is interested in AM stereo, and the same may very well be the case with IBOC. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Jun 20 19:06:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90534 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 02:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 02:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 02:06:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 02:06:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:06:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 600 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < amstereorules@m...> wrote: > >it's just AM Stereo that's dead. > So Explain Lucy, if AM stereo is dead, then why do MW AM stereo > products get sold for a premium price on Ebay:say $125 for SRF-A100 > that went for half that price new in its day. I wish I could teach > my money to do that. It's the simple economics of supply and demand, while the demand is small, the supply is even smaller, partly because AM stereo was not something the public went for even at its peak. Ever notice how most AM stereo was installed in cars? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Jun 20 19:14:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6613 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 02:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 02:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 02:14:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 02:14:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:14:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 748 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < amstereorules@m...> wrote: > >I never even considered that a station built in 1946 as part of the > >post war AM band expansion could even remotely be considered > >a "heritage" station, but then I guess I must not be thinking of > >this from the correct perspective. > It figures. How so? I'm not sure why you are so hostile, this is an AM stereo/ IBOC neutral question as far as I can tell. I would have guessed that a "heritage" station would be at least 10 years older, and most likely at least 15 years older, but I clearly don't have an handle on the meaning of the term "heritage" station. Why don't you make yourself a useful little mousie, and tell me what it means? John From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 19:25:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8257 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 02:25:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 02:25:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 02:25:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 02:25:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:25:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1519 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.242 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > I think you are shooting yourself in the foot with that argument! > > > > And I think you are taking yourself too seriously -- as usual. > > And I think you are confused as usual. I'm not sure why you feel you > must turn every thread into an IBOC thread, I guess it was a mistake > to even mention that IBOC was pretty much in the same boat as AM > stereo, which I only did because you brought IBOC into the discussion. > Nobody, meaning the public is interested in AM stereo, and the same > may very well be the case with IBOC. It would be easier to say no-one is interested in radio, -period-, since all anyone does is turn it on for some sort of noise while they're driving. I won't even get into this IBOC/anti-IBOC matter, since this isn't my cause. Oh, and for what it's worth, many of those top-ranked AM stations that were mentioned, like WLS and WJR, just happenh to be AM stereo broadcasters. People do listen, but they may not connect that the AM station happens to be stereo-- I know quite a few who would never make trhe connection, on this, or a number of other circumstances. But being a mouse, I can't help notice. I have two nice, large ears, and I'm keenly aware of the directions of what I hear, so I don't take hearing in stereo for granted. I like stereo, and I like AM stereo. I'm not deaf. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 19:28:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20836 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 02:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 02:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 02:28:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 02:28:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:28:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 957 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.242 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < > amstereorules@m...> wrote: > > >it's just AM Stereo that's dead. > > So Explain Lucy, if AM stereo is dead, then why do MW AM stereo > > products get sold for a premium price on Ebay:say $125 for SRF- A100 > > that went for half that price new in its day. I wish I could teach > > my money to do that. > > It's the simple economics of supply and demand, while the demand is > small, the supply is even smaller, partly because AM stereo was not > something the public went for even at its peak. Ever notice how most > AM stereo was installed in cars? As I had just said, most people don't notice, much less know i9f it exists at all. Quite a few, sadly, are just that perceptually stupid. Hell, most don't even notice or think about -FM- stereo, so how would one expect awareness for -AM- stereo? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 19:31:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54653 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 02:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 02:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 02:31:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 02:31:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:31:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 988 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.242 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < > amstereorules@m...> wrote: > > >I never even considered that a station built in 1946 as part of the > > >post war AM band expansion could even remotely be considered > > >a "heritage" station, but then I guess I must not be thinking of > > >this from the correct perspective. > > It figures. > > How so? I'm not sure why you are so hostile, this is an AM stereo/ > IBOC neutral question as far as I can tell. I would have guessed that > a "heritage" station would be at least 10 years older, and most likely > at least 15 years older, but I clearly don't have an handle on the > meaning of the term "heritage" station. Why don't you make yourself a > useful little mousie, and tell me what it means? I'd rasther not be associated in this matter with Mr. "amstereorules". I'm not confrontational, or at least I try not to be. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w6yn@juno.com Fri Jun 20 20:18:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20230 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 03:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 03:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 03:18:48 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCZKUtQbi5Yb32I4pgiXpQOI=">; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:18:35 EDT Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H26UYZPC; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:18:35 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:10:01 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: <20030620.201823.1896.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3,5,7,9,11,13-14,16,18,20,22,24-25,27,29-31,33,35,37,39-43,45,47,49,51,53-55,57,59,61-62,64,66,68-69,71,73,75,77-79,81-82,84-89,91-112 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: W6YN Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn As a matter of fact I DO know what fascism is: Virtually all of the specific economic policies advocated by the Italian and German fascists of the 1930s have also been adopted in the United States in some form, and continue to be adopted to this day. Sixty years ago, those who adopted these interventionist policies in Italy and Germany did so because they wanted to destroy economic liberty, free enterprise, and individualism. Only if these institutions were abolished could they hope to achieve the kind of totalitarian state they had in mind. Many American politicians who have advocated more or less total government control over economic activity have been more devious in their approach. They have advocated and adopted many of the same policies, but they have always recognized that direct attacks on private property, free enterprise, self-government, and individual freedom are not politically palatable to the majority of the American electorate. Thus, they have enacted a great many tax, regulatory, and income-transfer policies that achieve the ends of economic fascism, but which are sugar-coated with deceptive rhetoric about their alleged desire only to "save" capitalism. American politicians have long taken their cue in this regard from Franklin D. Roosevelt, who sold his National Recovery Administration (which was eventually ruled unconstitutional) on the grounds that "government restrictions henceforth must be accepted not to hamper individualism but to protect it." In a classic example of Orwellian doublespeak, Roosevelt thus argued that individualism must be destroyed in order to save it. Now that socialism has collapsed and survives nowhere but in Cuba, China, Vietnam, and on American university campuses, the biggest threat to economic liberty and individual freedom lies in the new economic fascism. While the former Communist countries are trying to privatize as many industries as possible as fast as they can, they are still plagued by governmental controls, leaving them with essentially fascist economies: private property and private enterprise are permitted, but are heavily controlled and regulated by government. As most of the rest of the world struggles to privatize industry and encourage free enterprise, we in the United States are seriously debating whether or not we should adopt 1930s-era economic fascism as the organizational principle of our entire health care system, which comprises 14 percent of the GNP. We are also contemplating business-government "partnerships" in the automobile, airlines, and communications industries, among others, and are adopting government-managed trade policies, also in the spirit of the European corporatist schemes of the 1930s. The state and its academic apologists are so skilled at generating propaganda in support of such schemes that Americans are mostly unaware of the dire threat they pose for the future of freedom. The road to serfdom is littered with road signs pointing toward "the information superhighway, health security, national service, managed trade," and "industrial policy." By the way, as my friend calls himself a Fascist, how is that my responsibility? Also, have you noticed from which side of the fence the accusations and judgementalism are coming from? Regards, Don --------------------------------- On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:36:12 -0000 "amymousie" writes: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: > > I have a Fascist friend of mine that says he only listens to > Bernie > Ward, > > so I took a listen. > > Do you know what fascism is? I doubt you do. It's corporate-based > nationalism. > > > I was surprised to hear hour after hour of left-wing whining and > why we > > should hate Bush. > > =snip= > > > Regards, Don > > Speakingt of hate-filled rhetoric.... > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 20:52:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76510 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 03:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 03:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 03:52:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 03:52:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 03:52:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Heritage stations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2299 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I never even considered that a station built in 1946 as part of the > post war AM band expansion could even remotely be considered a > "heritage" station, but then I guess I must not be thinking of > this from the correct perspective. 1450 WCTC is a "heritage" station because they've been on the air for over half a century with the same call letters, the same dial position, the same Full Service format (although now all-talk vs. a mix of talk and music in the past), and the same strong emphasis upon the local area, including an award-winning news department. Just because a radio station went on the air at a certain date doesn't automatically make it "heritage". For example, in New York City, 1560 W2XR/WQXR/WQEW has been on the air since 1929... but they are *not* a "heritage" station. Since December 1998, they've been broadcasting Radio Disney. What kind of "heritage" does that format have? ZERO. A "heritage" station is a combination of consistency and respectability of both the station itself (as a physical entity) and the programming it broadcasts. It is a flexible definition, depending on the station's local area and its particular circumstances. For example, WCTC's sister station, 98.3 WMGQ, has been "Magic 98.3" with an Adult Contemporary format for the past 25 years. An entire generation of people -- including myself -- have grown up knowing that if they're in central NJ and they tune in 98.3 FM, they're *always* going to hear Magic 98.3 playing Adult Contemporary music. Would you call that a "heritage" station? I would -- especially compared to all the other stations which may have been on the air practically forever, but have proceeded to destroy their respect and reputation through a series of ownership and format changes. One example of that would be 102.7 WNEW(-FM), which went on the air as one of the area's first "high band" FM stations in 1948, but proceeded to destroy the reputation of its decades-old Rock music format by switching to a Talk format infamous for its vulgarity. Now, WNEW is "Barbie Radio" -- a.k.a. "Blink", a Top 40/AC/Disco/'80s hybrid filled to the brim with celebrity gossip and cheesy-sounding liners. What is the "heritage" of hearing Jennifer Lopez's sister doing the morning show on WNEW? From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Jun 20 21:11:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99969 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 04:10:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 04:10:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 04:10:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:10:58 -0700 Received: from 172.172.40.153 by bay7-dav51.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:10:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Heritage Station Was:"AM is dead"... NOT! Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:10:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2003 04:10:58.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E63D420:01C337AB] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.172.40.153] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 bta_50g wrote: > What is a "heritage" station? I have frequently seen this term used, but have no idea what it really means. A "Heritage Station" is a radio station that still serves the original community of license, still has the original call letters, and is on the original frequency, or the one it has been on since the 1930's. It also would not have been dark for long periods of time or played "Format Of The Month" for long periods. In many markets, these Heritage Stations are getting very rare. Out of all of the AM stations in the Greenville-Spartanburg market, the only heritage stations are WAIM 1230, WMUU 1260, WCKI 1300, WASC 1530, and WFIS 1600. By this definition, in Cincinnati, Ohio WLW 700 is a heritage station. It has been on 700 "Forever" with the same call letters, while co-owned WSAI 1530 is NOT a heritage station because it is now on the former WCKY channel. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Jun 20 21:37:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71318 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 04:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 04:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 04:37:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:37:14 -0700 Received: from 172.172.40.153 by bay7-dav26.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:37:13 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Heritage stations Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:37:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2003 04:37:14.0119 (UTC) FILETIME=[C983A170:01C337AE] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.172.40.153] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: >For example, in New York City, 1560 W2XR/WQXR/WQEW has been on the air since 1929 It is my understanding that W2XR was the experimental call letters of the TV station on 1550. W2XR would play classical music between TV pictures. The TV experiments were soon abandoned in favor of achieving high-fidelity audio transmission. This would evolve into one of the nation's premier classical music stations, and make it the only radio station in New York to have begun life on television. On December 3, 1936, W2XR became WQXR, the new call letters chosen to resemble the old, and moved to 1560. On March 16, 1956, WQXR boosted power to 50,000 watts. In December 1992, the station became WQEW. Kahn Communications used an aircheck of WQXR 1560 on the demo tape for Kahn ISB AM Stereo to show the lack of platform motion during poor reception conditions. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 21:51:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76372 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 04:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 04:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 04:51:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 04:51:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:51:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Heritage stations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1102 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kahn Communications used an aircheck of WQXR 1560 on the demo tape > for Kahn ISB AM Stereo to show the lack of platform motion during > poor reception conditions. It also helped that the station's engineer, Herb Squire, was a personal friend of Mr. Kahn and kept the station broadcasting in Kahn Stereo up until the date in 1994 at which point they were no longer allowed to broadcast it. Herb helped Mr. Kahn with some of his court battles against the FCC's decision to make C-Quam the standard, but eventually he gave in and by late 1995 or early 1996, WQEW (renamed after WNEW for its Standards format) had begun broadcasting in C-Quam AM Stereo. This continued until December 1998 when the New York Times dumped WQEW's Standards format and began leasing it to ABC for use as NYC's "Radio Disney" affiliate -- at which point the Stereo was turned off. However, the AM Stereo equipment likely still remains at WQEW, as they have been "caught" broadcasting in Stereo a few times since, mostly weekend overnights when an engineer might be doing maintenance at the transmitter site. From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 21:55:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2897 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 04:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 04:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 04:55:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 04:55:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:55:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4923 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.17.246 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb Ya'll (yes we DO talk that way here in Kansas!) mind if I jump in on this one? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < > > amstereorules@m...> wrote: > > > >it's just AM Stereo that's dead. And so is music on AM as far as the Public At Large (P.A.L.) is concerned. But a quick survey of AM's here locally has the music station outnumbering talk 2 to 1. And one of the music players runs their C-QuAM exciter. As far as talk is concerned, I don't need 2 speakers to hear R--- L-------, though Phil Hendrie might be fun in stereo. The "air" voice in one speaker, the "phone" voice in the other. But the way the P.A.L. sees it, AM is a lo-fi medium and has been for as long as they know. The best audio equipment they own goes down in the basement along with the big screen TV, VCR, DVD, DSS, m-o-u-s-e. (Sorry Amy, couldn't resist.) By the time an AM signal makes it to that underground cavern, the numerous switching power supplies in all these aforementioned devices makes listening to AM fatiguing, at best. And that's if they even bothered to hook up the loop antenna that came with their receiver. (So THAT'S what that thing does. You want it?) > > > So Explain Lucy, if AM stereo is dead, then why do MW AM stereo > > > products get sold for a premium price on Ebay:say $125 for SRF- > A100 > > > that went for half that price new in its day. I wish I could > teach > > > my money to do that. > > It's the simple economics of supply and demand, Some vintage audio equipment (and other goods) appreciate insanely in much the same way. Do a search sometime on a McIntosh MC-225 power amplifier. A little peanut whistle power amp that sold new for about $250. Or anything Marantz model 1 through 10B. > > while the demand is > > small, the supply is even smaller, partly because AM stereo was not > > something the public went for even at its peak. Ever notice how > most > > AM stereo was installed in cars? Most of this, I believe, is due to the FCC's unwillingness to make a 1 in 5 choice. Once a horse in this race finally made it to the finish line, many of the spectators had left the stands. In the days before the fiasco, there WAS at least some curiousity amongst the public. Newspaper articles, TV news stories, and displays in Radio Shack. With stereo IMHO, AM would likely have made a comeback as the high fidelity medium that WE know it is, and Dan Ingram would still be playing music on 77WABC. > > As I had just said, most people don't notice, much less know i9f it > exists at all. Quite a few, sadly, are just that perceptually stupid. > Hell, most don't even notice or think about -FM- stereo, so how would > one expect awareness for -AM- stereo? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Maybe I should have started my post here. Sad fact is the P.A.L. doesn't have the appreciation for the technology and medium that we do. WE know that AM is capable of good audio and stereo sound. WE know what's around the corner in broadcasting. Though I'd use "unaware" in place of "stupid", I agree the P.A.L. is too busy with other things to consider the technology impacting them. They don't make the connection between the funky sound and sudden dropouts on their digital cell phones and the pictures they'll see on their TV's. Instead of a somewhat snowy but still viewable picture, pixelizing and freezing. And when they turn on their digital radio, what they hear would make a Kenner Close-N-Play (remember these?), sound good by comparison. WE must have a true love for radio, and especially stereo AM broadcasting to participate in this group as we do. I share this love and facination with all things radio broadcasting and really care about what happens in and on "the radio". I have a small air studio in my basement (the teevee's upstairs) where I'll record a 2 hour show, and play it back on the way to Kansas City when I visit my daughter. I enjoy working on the equipment as much as collecting music as much as producing a show as much as radio theory as much as, well, you get the picture. At the same time I realize that not everyone shares the same facination with the Herzian wave as I do. We all have our own pet concerns. Hobbies and interests abound, soccer, photography, avation or aviary. People collect knick-knacs, stamps, butterflies or dust. In a perfect world, something that affects the P.A.L. as strongly as radio (remember Minot, ND), would be decided upon by ourselves and like minded people who want nothing but good for the medium. And who's only motivation isn't their stock portfolio. This isn't a perfect world. But just because the P.A.L. doesn't appreciate what we do here doesn't mean we have to like it any less. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 22:52:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35063 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 05:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 05:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 05:52:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 05:52:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 05:52:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5891 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.242 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > Ya'll (yes we DO talk that way here in Kansas!) mind if I jump in > on this one? I certainly don't mind. After all, I would LOVE to see all 192 subscribers chip in to any of these topics (as long as it doesn't come to fisticuffs and such). > > > > So Explain Lucy, if AM stereo is dead, then why do MW AM > stereo > > > > products get sold for a premium price on Ebay:say $125 for SRF- > > A100 > > > > that went for half that price new in its day. I wish I could > > teach > > > > my money to do that. > > > It's the simple economics of supply and demand, > > Some vintage audio equipment (and other goods) appreciate insanely > in much the same way. Do a search sometime on a McIntosh MC-225 power > amplifier. A little peanut whistle power amp that sold new for about > $250. Or anything Marantz model 1 through 10B. What people are willing to buy things at shows how they do value them. The old 'A100 is a great radio, and I sure miss mine. :( > > > while the demand is > > > small, the supply is even smaller, partly because AM stereo was > not > > > something the public went for even at its peak. Ever notice how > > most > > > AM stereo was installed in cars? > > Most of this, I believe, is due to the FCC's unwillingness to make > a 1 in 5 choice. Once a horse in this race finally made it to the > finish line, many of the spectators had left the stands. In the days > before the fiasco, there WAS at least some curiousity amongst the > public. Newspaper articles, TV news stories, and displays in Radio > Shack. With stereo IMHO, AM would likely have made a comeback as the > high fidelity medium that WE know it is, and Dan Ingram would still > be playing music on 77WABC. What hasn't helped was the lack of any means to experiment with AM stereo- Few kits, if any, maybe a decoder article or two, but does anyone remember anything like a Heathkit AM stereo radio? Way back when, what kept FM stereo alive back in the 1960s were stereo kits & projects before commercial stereo tuners (which did exist from the start) could really take off. Other than Dick Smith Electronics in Australia (and briefly in America), anyone ever hear of a single do- it-yourself AMS kit? I doubt it very much. And why is this so? Because, amongst other things, a certain electronics chain known for kits, projects and parts suddenly put everything it built itself upon in the back (or discontinued altogether) in favor of consumer electronics, like name-brand computers, stereos, satellite dishes, cordless phones....but not hobby electronics, much less its own consumer electronics components. > > As I had just said, most people don't notice, much less know i9f it > > exists at all. Quite a few, sadly, are just that perceptually > stupid. > > Hell, most don't even notice or think about -FM- stereo, so how > would > > one expect awareness for -AM- stereo? > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > Maybe I should have started my post here. Sad fact is the P.A.L. > doesn't have the appreciation for the technology and medium that we > do. WE know that AM is capable of good audio and stereo sound. WE > know what's around the corner in broadcasting. Though I'd > use "unaware" in place of "stupid", I agree the P.A.L. is too busy I'll stick with "stupid" here, because to a point, they ARE aware-- When they listen to a station that mentions they're in AM stereo, they are aware of it; just not the mental capacity to make the CFONNECTION whatsoever. (Try explaining things to some people- They may know A and B, but not hou to use A with B, or what makes A and B different, or how they work-- They just can't see the connection. My mother, a bright mousie in her own right, suffers from this kind of perceptual stupidity, and makes it frustrating when I try to help her.) > with other things to consider the technology impacting them. They > don't make the connection between the funky sound and sudden dropouts > on their digital cell phones and the pictures they'll see on their > TV's. Instead of a somewhat snowy but still viewable picture, > pixelizing and freezing. And when they turn on their digital radio, > what they hear would make a Kenner Close-N-Play (remember these?), > sound good by comparison. We see it sometimes on analog TV, since many stations use digital equipment to receive and store broadcast material they get. It's ugly, let me tell you! > WE must have a true love for radio, and especially stereo AM > broadcasting to participate in this group as we do. I share this love > and facination with all things radio broadcasting and really care > about what happens in and on "the radio". I have a small air studio > in my basement (the teevee's upstairs) where I'll record a 2 hour > show, and play it back on the way to Kansas City when I visit my > daughter. I enjoy working on the equipment as much as collecting > music as much as producing a show as much as radio theory as much as, > well, you get the picture. At the same time I realize that not > everyone shares the same facination with the Herzian wave as I do. We > all have our own pet concerns. Hobbies and interests abound, soccer, > photography, avation or aviary. People collect knick-knacs, stamps, > butterflies or dust. > In a perfect world, something that affects the P.A.L. as strongly > as radio (remember Minot, ND), would be decided upon by ourselves and > like minded people who want nothing but good for the medium. And > who's only motivation isn't their stock portfolio. This isn't a > perfect world. But just because the P.A.L. doesn't appreciate what we > do here doesn't mean we have to like it any less. Amen! And absolutely correct. This is our passion and our gospel. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bjackson@indyradio.com Fri Jun 20 23:11:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39911 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 06:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 06:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 06:11:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 06:11:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 06:11:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 668 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > As I had just said, most people don't notice, much less know i9f it > exists at all. Quite a few, sadly, are just that perceptually stupid. > Hell, most don't even notice or think about -FM- stereo, so how would > one expect awareness for -AM- stereo? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ This reminds me of a station I used to work for...The AM had a good AM Stereo signal with good seperation...The FM, OTOH, had been wired in mono when they built the studios and for almost 10 years no one noticed! Listeners saw the ST light on and thought "oh it's stereo". - Brad Jackson - WGLD/WGRL/WFMS From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 23:14:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41168 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 06:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 06:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 06:14:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20030621061431.22004.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.33.128] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:14:31 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Too Bad IBOC is Digital To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The other John wrote: "As far as IBOC goes, it is also an AM stereo system, and as such may suffer the same fate as the analog AM stereo systems, unless its digital advantages prove to be overwhelming. John" If you believe the NRSC, that fact that IBOC -IS- DIGITAL is its DISadvantage with all of the artifacts on AM, not to mention the adjacent station(s) interference. This current big pause in AM IBOC standards testing is similar to the body blow that the Harris AM Stereo system took when they horsed around with the FCC in their testing. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 00:14:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86403 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 07:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 07:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41011.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 07:14:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20030621071451.20433.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.40.233] by web41011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:14:51 PDT Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Attn. Hams To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Well, I can finally get on HF via a club station on 40-10M, so if anyone wants to discuss A.M. Stereo and are capable of operation, I will probably be on around 2100 EDT Tuesday (0100Z Wednesday). Club call is W1OP. A.M. mode is preferred on 14.286MHz (considering band conditions, this may be the only band usable for long distance, with 17M a secondary). What: A.M. Stereo roundtable on ham radio When: Wednesday 0100Z Who: N1WVQ operating W1OP Where: 14.286MHz A.M. (W1OP is mono, but please use stereo if you are able) mode, with alternate on 18.15MHz if 14.286 is in use. U.S.B. may become a last resort, depending on conditions, etc.. Why: 'cuz we can. Right now I'm not sure of where skip zones may lie. W1OP is in Johnston, R.I.. I think the A.M. carrier power is 50W on the Yaesu FT-1000 Mark V that the club has. This is also a Field Day meeting at 1900 EDT, so that's why it's a 2100 start. Anyway, I will swing out 13-element log periodic due S.W. (225º) from W1OP. Please write back with comments about frequency availability, if you will or won't be able to make it, etc.. I hope to hear you Tuesday night @ 21:00 E.D.T. / Wednesday 0100Z. Call W1OP. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 02:10:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33289 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 09:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 09:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 09:09:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 09:09:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:09:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 866 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: =snip= > This reminds me of a station I used to work for...The AM had a good > AM Stereo signal with good seperation...The FM, OTOH, had been wired > in mono when they built the studios and for almost 10 years no one > noticed! Listeners saw the ST light on and thought "oh it's stereo". I'm not surprised at all. Did you know it wasn't until 1880 that stereophonic perception was even -studied?- That's 300 years after most studies of anatomy, biology and studying the senses had begun! Humans have taken their binaural perception completely for granted for so long that the concept of stereophony was overlooked. It just didn't seem to matter. But at least some thought it did. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 02:13:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71596 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 09:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 09:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 09:13:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 09:13:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:13:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Too Bad IBOC is Digital Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030621061431.22004.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 841 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > The other John wrote: "As far as IBOC goes, it is also an AM stereo system, and > as such may suffer the same fate as the analog AM stereo systems, unless its > digital advantages prove to be overwhelming. > John" > > If you believe the NRSC, that fact that IBOC -IS- DIGITAL is its DISadvantage > with all of the artifacts on AM, not to mention the adjacent station (s) > interference. This current big pause in AM IBOC standards testing is similar > to the body blow that the Harris AM Stereo system took when they horsed around > with the FCC in their testing. Which resulted in all but a handful of Harris stations being converted to C-QUAM by the early part of 1984- Including then-6-year AM stereo veteran KFI of Los Angeles. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 02:19:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 839 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 09:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 09:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 09:19:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 09:19:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:19:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Attn. Hams Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030621071451.20433.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 392 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: =snip= > Where: 14.286MHz A.M. (W1OP is mono, but please > use stereo if you are able) mode, with alternate The only ham I'm aware of who actually does stereo is Jerry, WA2FNQ, and I think he does 40 & 80m, and he's in your region. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Not a ham, just an SWL, and on the west coast, not the east coast.) From bjackson@indyradio.com Sat Jun 21 03:13:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84239 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 10:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 10:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 10:13:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 10:13:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:13:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Lighting a Pilot Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2355 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 With the question posed by Amy & Ian "What are you doing for AM Stereo," here is what I'm doing to get a pilot re-lit in Indianapolis. Since I work for the "competition," I've enlisted non- radio friends to help me out :-) 1) 1070 WIBC. Used to run C-QuAM 24/7, then only at night. After moving to the Emmis headquarters they were still putting out a pilot, but only the top of the hour tone had any seperation of all things (hard left). All e-mails, snail-mails and voice mail messages have gone unanswered. There was a story in the Indianapolis Star about IBOC where WIBC said they would eventually run IBOC :-( 2) WXNT. Used to be a Harris test staion in the 80's as WIRE. Then a great sounding C-QuAM station with Standards as WMYS. When they switched to WXNT 2 years ago, they killed off the pilot. My friend Doug had sent e-mails, but they never got a reply. I finally got him to call them on the phone. Here is the e-mail I got from him after his conversation. "Their CE is Kyle Twenty...who was out so I got to speak with an assistant engineer...Mark? Some "great" responses to questions: He said that there was no reason to be stereo doing a news/talk format. When I mentioned that WGN, WJR, WLS, WBAP, WPHT all are stereo, he seemed surprised and wasn't aware any of them were still stereo. Then came the "stereo reduces coverage, and we're only 5kw and need every mile we can get" comment, and "we're not concerned with fidelity...We're concerned with how loud we are." I told him you just bought a 2003 Ford with AM stereo he didn't believe me and said radios hadn't been made since the early 1990's! He also threw out "digital is just around the corner...And then you'll see all the music come back to the AM dial." When i asked about the "issues" with IBOC (lack of night use, horrid audio, and growing lack of confidence in their CODEC), he said he hadn't heard IBOC himself, but management was pushing hard for it...Besides, since kids listen to MP3 audio, they're used to digital artifacts he said!" I know no one else (maybe besides Jimbo) is within earshot of them, but if you feel like some interesting (lol) conversation, their contact info (For phone number) is on their web site at http://www.newstalk1430.com Just doing my part to light another stereo light! - Brad Jackson - WGLD/WGRL/WFMS From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Jun 21 05:18:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93390 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 12:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 12:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.121) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 12:18:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 05:18:37 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:18:35 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:18:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2003 12:18:37.0344 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E008A00:01C337EF] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 wrote: "The best audio equipment they own goes down in the b a s e m e n t along with the big screen TV, VCR, DVD, DSS, m-o-u-s-e. (Sorry Amy, couldn't resist.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What's a BASEMENT ? :) donn, st petersburg,fl (Sorry, I couldn't resist!) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Jun 21 06:26:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69552 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 13:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 13:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 13:26:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 06:26:27 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:26:26 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Try this.... Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:26:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2003 13:26:27.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7F045E0:01C337F8] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 ----Original Message Follows---- Jim Burgan" wrote: >And of course you remember what happens when you type: French Military >Victories >and press I'm Feeling Lucky. I did just that, to see what would happen and I am still rolling on the floor..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ An interesting response, didn't know whether to laugh or cry! :) Try : US Military Victories and press I'm feeling lucky. A very strange response, not what you would expect. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dougharding@mindspring.com Sat Jun 21 06:48:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11388 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 13:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 13:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 13:48:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 13:48:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:48:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Florida AM station for sale, $165k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1638 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.206.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > >I started out in small market radio and I know the reality. > And what are you doing now, Mr. Doug owner of 2 Fanfare AM stereo > decoders. > > -Mario Orazio > > Remember, > AMStereoRules I started out as a disc jockey turned newsman then became a broadcast engineer and was the chief engineer at a few stations and a member of SBE. Then I moved into management and now I am the Director of Media Services at a college in Miami, FL. I have one of chris cuffs am stereo transmitters and I love playing a cd through it and tunning it in on the fanfare and letting friends hear it. They cannot believe they are listening to AM stereo as it sounds better then most of the FM stations here in Miami. While I am on my soapbox again I think what killed AM stereo are crappy radios. Even the radio shack one built in the 80s was narrow band. When people heard it they said it may be stereo but it stills sounds like crap. Very few wideband AM stereo radios were ever built. The kann vs Cquam battle. The war was over in 1984 when GM Ford and Chrysler pick the Motorola Cquam system. From that point on only c-quam radios were made but at least 100 stations around the country continuted to broadcast a kann stereo signal that no one could receive. If they had a am stereo radio in their car and tuned to the station they heard mono as no kann car radios were ever made. So I also blame Kann for killing AM stereo. Anyway just my five cents. I still hope that when the NRSC nails the coffin lid shut on IBOC stations once again try analog C-quam stereo. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sat Jun 21 07:11:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57836 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 14:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 14:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 14:11:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 14:11:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 14:11:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Attn. Hams Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 505 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Pete, WA1SOV is now also transmitting in stereo AM. Pete is using ISB (Kahn) and I'm using a system similar to Magnavox. We're on the low end of the 75 meter phone band Sundays @4:30 pm. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > The only ham I'm aware of who actually does stereo is Jerry, WA2FNQ, > and I think he does 40 & 80m, and he's in your region. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Not a ham, just an SWL, and on the west coast, not the east coast.) From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 08:41:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50843 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 15:41:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 15:41:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 15:41:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 15:41:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:41:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Florida AM station for sale, $165k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1270 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > > The problem with a small town station like this is you can go for > months with almost no revenue until November, December when your log > fills up with Christmas ads. This simply is not so. A lot of small towns follow their sports religiously, so high school sports play a very important money maker. Even the summer is not exempt, as we've been broadcasting and selling American Legion Baseball. And here a lot of small stations carry the Braves [ or insert your favorite baseball team ] >It would have been very easy to hire > salepeople on pure commission, lets say 50% commission to bring in > some revenue if it could be down. The reality is the only time these > small stations like this prosper is if the local owner also owns a > cash cow like the local supermarket and uses the radio station as a > tax writeoff. I started out in small market radio and I know the reality. If the owner is like that, then he's not a very good radio manager. We are lucky to also carry Newberry College sports, originated from HERE, and University of SC sports ( not baseball usually) and even some Clemson games. The reality as you state is a recipe for failure. Powell From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jun 21 09:11:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20493 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 16:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 16:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 16:11:43 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-114.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.114]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5LGB5oG026210 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:11:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003c01c3380f$cc137d00$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030621071451.20433.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Attn. Hams Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:10:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Rot! I've lived at my present QTH for 8 years now and I seem no closer to getting an HF antenna up now than when I first got here. No large trees nearby and no $$ for some towers, so the Collins 32V1 still sits gathering dust. Tuesdays aren't the best for me at the moment, anyway. Scott Todd N0BST ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" To: Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 2:14 AM Subject: {AMSF} Attn. Hams > Well, I can finally get on HF via a club station > on 40-10M, so if anyone wants to discuss A.M. > Stereo and are capable of operation, I will > probably be on around 2100 EDT Tuesday (0100Z > Wednesday). Club call is W1OP. A.M. mode is > preferred on 14.286MHz (considering band > conditions, this may be the only band usable for > long distance, with 17M a secondary). > > What: A.M. Stereo roundtable on ham radio > When: Wednesday 0100Z > Who: N1WVQ operating W1OP > Where: 14.286MHz A.M. (W1OP is mono, but please > use stereo if you are able) mode, with alternate > on 18.15MHz if 14.286 is in use. U.S.B. may > become a last resort, depending on conditions, > etc.. > Why: 'cuz we can. > > Right now I'm not sure of where skip zones may > lie. W1OP is in Johnston, R.I.. I think the > A.M. carrier power is 50W on the Yaesu FT-1000 > Mark V that the club has. This is also a Field > Day meeting at 1900 EDT, so that's why it's a > 2100 start. Anyway, I will swing out 13-element > log periodic due S.W. (225º) from W1OP. Please > write back with comments about frequency > availability, if you will or won't be able to > make it, etc.. > > I hope to hear you Tuesday night @ 21:00 E.D.T. / > Wednesday 0100Z. Call W1OP. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From dougharding@mindspring.com Sat Jun 21 10:01:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2782 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 17:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 17:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 17:01:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 17:01:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:01:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Florida AM station for sale, $165k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1921 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.199.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" > wrote: > > > > The problem with a small town station like this is you can go for > > months with almost no revenue until November, December when your log > > fills up with Christmas ads. > > This simply is not so. A lot of small towns follow their sports > religiously, so high school sports play a very important money maker. > Even the summer is not exempt, as we've been broadcasting and selling > American Legion Baseball. And here a lot of small stations carry the > Braves [ or insert your favorite baseball team ] > > > >It would have been very easy to hire > > salepeople on pure commission, lets say 50% commission to bring in > > some revenue if it could be down. The reality is the only time these > > small stations like this prosper is if the local owner also owns a > > cash cow like the local supermarket and uses the radio station as a > > tax writeoff. I started out in small market radio and I know the > reality. > > > If the owner is like that, then he's not a very good radio manager. > > We are lucky to also carry Newberry College sports, originated from > HERE, and University of SC sports ( not baseball usually) and even > some Clemson games. The reality as you state is a recipe for > failure. > > Powell Yes what you say is true. Some small town AM radio stations are very successful. However an equal number simply cannot make it no matter what they do. There are not enough local mom and pop businesses to support them and national advertisers will not touch them. It really depends on the economy of the local county and how many powerful stations from large citys they have to compete with that reach their area. I am just saying if that station in Perry was such a goldmine it would not be selling so cheap. From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 10:28:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63294 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 17:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 17:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 17:28:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 17:28:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:28:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 953 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 68.103.136.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote: > > > > > > > wrote: > > "The best audio equipment they own goes down > in the b a s e m e n t along with the big screen TV, VCR, DVD, DSS, > m-o-u-s-e. (Sorry Amy, couldn't resist.) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > What's a BASEMENT ? :) > > donn, > st petersburg,fl > It's where Kansan's are supposed to go when there's a "tornadie". At least if you're not a spotter or perceptually stupid. For more, go to Google, type "andover tornado" and click "I'm feeling lucky". 26 perceptually stupid people lost their lives that day when their trailer park was swallowed whole. > (Sorry, I couldn't resist!) > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/ju From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 10:50:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8814 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 17:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 17:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 17:50:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 17:50:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:50:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Florida AM station for sale, $165k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1540 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: =snip= > Yes what you say is true. Some small town AM radio stations are very > successful. However an equal number simply cannot make it no matter > what they do. There are not enough local mom and pop businesses to > support them and national advertisers will not touch them. It really > depends on the economy of the local county and how many powerful > stations from large citys they have to compete with that reach their > area. I am just saying if that station in Perry was such a goldmine it > would not be selling so cheap. First off, it's been my experience that national advertisers rarely ever touch local broadcasters, except for major-market stations, and there's usually enough local business (even from national chains) to support most stations to at least stay afloat. It is hard, though, when cookie-cutter stations can undercut advertising by offering cheaper rates, which makes the self-run stations less attractive, from an advertising point of view. For most very-low-buget commercial broadcasters, it's not just a business they get into, but a labor of love-- It has to be, thanks to the cutthroat business that is corporate broadcasting. If you're going to get into buying a low-cost, small-market station, just ask yourself a few simple questions: Is it for the money or for the sheer joy, is one that comes to mind. Commercial and non-commercial broadcasting, YAY! Corporate broadcasting, BOO! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 11:12:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 148 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 18:12:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 18:12:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 18:12:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 18:12:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:12:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Florida AM station for sale, $165k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2501 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" > > wrote: > > > > > > The problem with a small town station like this is you can go for > > > months with almost no revenue until November, December when your log > > > fills up with Christmas ads. > > > > This simply is not so. A lot of small towns follow their sports > > religiously, so high school sports play a very important money maker. > > Even the summer is not exempt, as we've been broadcasting and selling > > American Legion Baseball. And here a lot of small stations carry the > > Braves [ or insert your favorite baseball team ] > > > > > > >It would have been very easy to hire > > > salepeople on pure commission, lets say 50% commission to bring in > > > some revenue if it could be down. The reality is the only time these > > > small stations like this prosper is if the local owner also owns a > > > cash cow like the local supermarket and uses the radio station as a > > > tax writeoff. I started out in small market radio and I know the > > reality. > > > > > > If the owner is like that, then he's not a very good radio manager. > > > > We are lucky to also carry Newberry College sports, originated from > > HERE, and University of SC sports ( not baseball usually) and even > > some Clemson games. The reality as you state is a recipe for > > failure. > > > > Powell > > Yes what you say is true. Some small town AM radio stations are very > successful. However an equal number simply cannot make it no matter > what they do. There are not enough local mom and pop businesses to > support them and national advertisers will not touch them. It really > depends on the economy of the local county and how many powerful > stations from large citys they have to compete with that reach their > area. I am just saying if that station in Perry was such a goldmine it > would not be selling so cheap. It's a full time station, and from what I gather, no one has attempted to do any sales. That's not a really BAD price, but for the shape it is currently in, it actually is too much. It would indeed take some time to get it going like it should. Also, I have noted over the years that many small town operators are just plain HORRID business folks. And, indeed those should go away. Powell From dougharding@mindspring.com Sat Jun 21 11:30:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99573 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 18:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 18:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 18:30:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 18:30:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:30:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Florida AM station for sale, $165k Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 737 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.199.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding > For most very-low-buget commercial broadcasters, it's not just a > business they get into, but a labor of love-- It has to be, thanks to > the cutthroat business that is corporate broadcasting. > > If you're going to get into buying a low-cost, small-market station, > just ask yourself a few simple questions: Is it for the money or for > the sheer joy, is one that comes to mind. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Amy I think you last paragraph says it all. I agree with you that somewhere there is someone who for the sheer joy of owning a radio station will buy it and maybe make it work. 20 years ago I would probably have jumped at the chance to own a station like this. Now that I am in my early 40s I look for more of a sure thing. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 16:24:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55176 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 23:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 23:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 23:24:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2003 23:24:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:24:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Too Bad IBOC is Digital Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 347 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Which resulted in all but a handful of Harris stations being > converted to C-QUAM by the early part of 1984- Including > then-6-year AM stereo veteran KFI of Los Angeles. Actually, as of June 1985, there were quite a few stations still using the Harris system -- in fact, more than there were using Kahn AM Stereo: http://tinyurl.com/ex98 From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Jun 21 16:45:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65439 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 23:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 23:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.96) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 23:45:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:45:16 -0700 Received: from 172.175.39.12 by bay7-dav39.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:45:16 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030619094654.02c26bb0@mail.direct.ca> <002e01c33790$986ceec0$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-400C (was a multitude of other topics) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:44:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2003 23:45:16.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AD611B0:01C3384F] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.175.39.12] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: >Somewhat amazing is how the lowly 833A with its 350w plate dissipation could far outlast any 4-400 or 4-500 in a kilowatt transmitter. It is all in the cooling. The 833A has a much larger surface area to dissipate heat and a bigger, tougher filament. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Jun 21 16:49:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24850 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 23:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2003 23:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 23:49:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:49:54 -0700 Received: from 172.175.39.12 by bay7-dav55.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:49:54 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:49:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2003 23:49:54.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[D07423F0:01C3384F] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.175.39.12] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 bta_50g wrote: >Ever notice how most AM stereo was installed in cars? This is because most radio listening occurs in cars! Unless you are right under the tower, most car radios blend to Mono and cut off the highs. In this case, AM Stereo will sound MUCH better than FM Stereo in the car. Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 17:16:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63541 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 00:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 00:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 00:16:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2003 00:16:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:16:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 992 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > bta_50g wrote: > >Ever notice how most AM stereo was installed in cars? > > This is because most radio listening occurs in cars! Unless you are right > under the tower, most car radios blend to Mono and cut off the highs. In > this case, AM Stereo will sound MUCH better than FM Stereo in the car. It also has as much to do with long-term licensing-- All three US carmakers (at the time) signed long-term contracts with Motorola to injstall AM stereo systems, which are still done to this day. But yes, Possum Hunter, you are right-- Most radio listening today is done in the car. The days of pocket and boombox radios are largely over; evenm the home tuner as a stereo component is really only an afterthought. They have no clue what they're missing. I'm a rare breed (other than being an intelligent mouse)-- I enjoy radio, especially DX, but I have no use for a car radio. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Jun 21 17:28:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99203 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 00:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 00:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 00:28:05 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-55.skyweb.net [66.6.130.183]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h5M0VjLK076937 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:31:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3EF4F7F5.C9013332@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:27:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 OK you RCA Gurus.... why wont My BTA transmitter give Me any Osc...???? I have gone through 4 5763 Tubes in 3 weeks...... ARRRRHHHHHHH just Venting breath in breath Out...and Say AM stereo Lives.. Neal Possum Hunter wrote: > bta_50g wrote: > >Ever notice how most AM stereo was installed in cars? > > This is because most radio listening occurs in cars! Unless you are right > under the tower, most car radios blend to Mono and cut off the highs. In > this case, AM Stereo will sound MUCH better than FM Stereo in the car. > > Kevin > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 17:31:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73516 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 00:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 00:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 00:31:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2003 00:31:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:31:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo in automobiles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 321 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > All three US carmakers (at the time) signed long-term contracts > with Motorola to install AM stereo systems, which are still done > to this day. Actually, there was American Motors (AMC), too, until 1987 when Chrysler bought them out -- but I don't know if AMC ever had any factory-equipped radios with AM Stereo. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 18:37:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24052 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 01:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 01:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 01:37:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2003 01:37:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 01:37:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hi-Fi WPHT Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 582 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Tonight, 50,000-watt 1210 WPHT in Philadelphia is broadcasting some of the best-sounding AM Stereo I have ever heard. On my Sony SRF-A100, it is so crisp and clear that I believe WPHT has turned off the NRSC 10 kHz filter, and the dynamic range is fantastic as well, especially with the "Sounds of Sinatra" and "The Best of Bennett" music programs with Sid Mark that they run on weekends. So, if you're within local or skywave reception range of 1210 WPHT, give them a listen -- their "World-Class" audio is a real testament to the true quality that AM Stereo can achieve. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 21:53:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27596 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 04:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 04:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 04:53:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20030622045332.71156.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.118.184.116] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:53:32 PDT Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio donn wrote: "What's a BASEMENT ? :)" Funny you should mention that, as I had a visitor from California visit us here in the Midwest, and she thought that a basment was one of the coolest things that she'd ever seen!. Basements are something we take for granted as neccessary in the Midwest for safety in case of a tornado, but a great way to get a lot of extra square footage in our homes. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 21:55:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66465 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 04:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 04:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 04:55:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2003 04:55:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 04:55:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Crawford: doubtful of IBOC; sticks with analog AM Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 606 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics In the following Radio World article, Crawford Broadcasting's director of engineering Cris Alexander explains his thoughts about IBOC/"HD Radio" on AM and FM, and Crawford's decision to remain committed to analog AM until the concerns about IBOC's poor audio quality and daytime-only status can be resolved: http://tinyurl.com/exq0 Quote, "In my opinion, it is better for our full-time AM stations to stay strictly analog until nighttime HD operation has been approved." Crawford Broadcasting currently owns and operates 20 AM stations across the USA, all but two of which broadcast in AM Stereo. From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Jun 21 22:30:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20560 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 05:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 05:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 05:30:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2003 05:30:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 05:30:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Crawford: doubtful of IBOC; sticks with analog AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 321 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.228 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Crawford Broadcasting currently owns and operates 20 AM stations > across the USA, all but two of which broadcast in AM Stereo. What is the problem that keeps those last two from broadcasting in AM stereo as the other eighteen do? John From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sat Jun 21 22:44:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47006 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 05:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 05:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 05:44:37 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 309567D225 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 05:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D9B1A0227 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 05:44:32 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030622012928.03162e30@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 01:44:50 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Easy Listening Aircheck (unscoped) in AM Stereo? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Are there any easy listening outlets anymore? I remember being a kid (I was nine or younger), and enjoying the relaxing sounds of 100.7 WFMZ. With Paul Lewis I think his name was.... Are there any places that I can get an unscoped aircheck of a current Easy Listening outlet in AM Stereo? They all have seemed to die, along with local personality, original contests and promo's, and jukebox-type formats seem to be the norm these days. Even 1995 was better then this. With "Boss 97" WBSS! I'd kill for airchecks of them to, with Jay Towers! Is it all because of how CC screwed the radio listening pleasure for us for good? Because before CC owned everything, in the last few years, things were better then they are now. I find it weird that CC won't even do weather on like WAEB and WIOQ. That just is strange to me. That's why there are good stations like WSTW around for haritage. And of corse Magic 98.3 actually tells you the songs in each set! Ware else can you here that? Gotta love DXing. Or should I say more accurately hearing things non-local like a local 24/7. The girlfriend would rather be stuck to Q102 (Ugh). Her and I always talk about radio, and how we both agree on one thing! Bring back Star 104.5, Jammin Gold 95.7, and She'd like Boss 97 in the day, I'm sure of it! End Of Transmission. One day I will get an AM Stereo capable radio. Just like I finally convinced her that new vinyl can sound good on the Techniques SL-1200, maybe she'll become a converted AM Stereo fan, to? I'll work on that. *Smile* From jim@burgan.net Sat Jun 21 22:59:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12732 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 05:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 05:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc02.asp.att.net) (204.127.203.184) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 05:59:19 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-233-146.client.insightbb.com[12.221.233.146]) by sccmmhc02.asp.att.net (sccmmhc02) with SMTP id <20030622055918mm2008aq8he>; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 05:59:18 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c33883$6c260c90$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:59:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 It is not the bandwidth issue that killed music on AM.. It is the noisy nature of the MW band and the method of carrier modulation that makes it inherently susceptible to static and noise. I admit that I have always been an AM Stereo fan, and I also will admit that if done properly, AM stereo actually sounds beter (to me) than most of the FM's. As I have said many times here before, there is an AM Stereo station between Indianapolis and Louisville in Seymour Indiana that still plays music on AM (1390 WZZB 1kw days/65 watts night omni). They use a Harris C-Quam exciter and the guy who put the audio chain together (a friend of mine) really put it together right. They play mainstream gold-based AC and they sound as good on my Delco AM Stereo radio as any FM out there (maybe better due to the nature of how AM Stereo can be processed). It is the best-sounding AM Stereo in America (that I've had the pleasure of hearing). 30 years aho we raved about good the audio-chain on KFRC was, and they were hearlded as the best spounding AM in America. WZZB sounds that good, only they are in stereo. The problem is, unless you live within 10 miles of their transmitter, the 'glorious AM Stereo" (as many like to call it here) is mixed with snaps, crackles and pops, and heaven help you if you try to listen during a thunderstorm. Even if you live in an urban area, close to a 50kw Class 1A clear, you still get interferance from power lines, automobile spark-plug/alternator/electrical systems and the wrath of nature. When I was a kid listening to AM Top 40, you had to put up with power-line buzz/hum and all of the other noise on the MW band, but then came FM, without all of that interferance. It doesn't matter how good AM Stereo sounds, when you drive into a tunnel or under an iron bridge or overpass, you lose the signal or it gets riddled with interferance. Even in downtown Chicago, when you pass certain power lines or overpasses, WLS's "glorious AM Stereo" turns into stereo static (stereo actually emphasizes the static). Many of you think the Gen X'ers shy away from AM because of the fidelity issues or lack of stereo, but it's static that killed the AM band for music, not the 80 year-old technology. Digital is probably the best way to get rid of it. I hate to see the AM Stereo technology slip away, but if IBOC cleans up the static, it might not be such a bad thing. I agree that if the MP3 samples of Ibiquity's IBOC is an indication of the quality of audio, it won't gather much of a music audience, but if you can listen to Rush, Dr Laura, Bruce Williams and Larry King static-free, it might not be such a bad thing for the MW band (please, don't flame me for mentioning Rush, it's just my example). And... public apathy doesn't help your cause. Whoever posted the comment about 200 members of this group out of 300 million Americans with 900 million radios hit the nail on the head. From rwagoner1@mac.com Sun Jun 22 00:50:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7735 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 07:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 07:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 07:50:10 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030622074959.CIRR6676.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 03:49:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:50:08 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001401c33883$6c260c90$9802a8c0@jimspc> Message-Id: <2502CA2A-A486-11D7-BFB5-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 10:59 PM, Jim Burgan wrote: > The problem is, unless you live within 10 miles of their transmitter, > the > 'glorious AM Stereo" (as many like to call it here) is mixed with > snaps, > crackles and pops, and heaven help you if you try to listen during a > thunderstorm. Even if you live in an urban area, close to a 50kw > Class 1A > clear, you still get interferance from power lines, automobile > spark-plug/alternator/electrical systems and the wrath of nature. > I live in San Pedro, roughly 30 miles from Los Angeles, and can listen static-free to all Los Angeles stations and most San Diego stations, both at home and in the car. > Many of you think the Gen X'ers shy away from AM because of the > fidelity > issues or lack of stereo, but it's static that killed the AM band for > music, > not the 80 year-old technology. Programming killed music on AM. Bad programming. > Digital is probably the best way to get rid > of it. I hate to see the AM Stereo technology slip away, but if IBOC > cleans > up the static, it might not be such a bad thing. I agree that if the > MP3 > samples of Ibiquity's IBOC is an indication of the quality of audio, > it > won't gather much of a music audience, but if you can listen to Rush, > Dr > Laura, Bruce Williams and Larry King static-free, it might not be such > a bad > thing for the MW band (please, don't flame me for mentioning Rush, > it's just > my example). Static-free bad sound won't do a thing. Music masks static somewhat; bad digital sound is a tune-out. If static is so bad, why does talk programming, which by nature cannot possibly mask any static, run far more on AM than FM? I think the issue of static is a non-issue. > And... public apathy doesn't help your cause. Whoever posted the > comment > about 200 members of this group out of 300 million Americans with 900 > million radios hit the nail on the head. The public listens to good programming. When KRLA/Los Angeles had their personality oldies format, they were the top oldies station in town. When KRTH went all-oldies, KRLA changed for the worse by dropping personality and tightening the playlist ... resulting in lowered ratings. When KIIS/KPRZ (1150) played "music of your life", their ratings were triple and 4X what their ratings are as all sports. When KFRC/San Francisco was high-energy top-40, they had great ratings until Walter Sabo made them play game shows from 9 am to 3 pm. Then as Magic 61, KFRC was in the top four. Good programming attracts people. Since there are so few reasons to even have people switch to AM in many areas, it's harder than it once was, but if you had KHJ/Los Angeles or KFRC play top-40 today like they did from 1965/6 - 1980/6, they would get good ratings again ... instead of being a lowly, rarely-mentioned sister to the dominant FM or a low-rated Spanish station. Good programming drives ratings ... no wonder radio listening is at an all-time low. The big FMs better watch out, or they'll be in trouble sooner than later. Richard From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 01:07:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61020 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 08:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 08:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 08:07:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2003 08:07:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:07:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Easy Listening Aircheck (unscoped) in AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030622012928.03162e30@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 693 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Are there any easy listening outlets anymore? There are a few still scattered around the USA; the only AM Stereo station playing "Beautiful Music" (as the format is called) I know of is 740 WJIB in Cambridge, MA (Boston area) -- owned and operated by Bob Bittner, with commercial-free music weekdays, and some brokered programming on weekends. I have a few recordings of WJIB in AM Stereo, but unfortunately none are currently available for download. I will try to get them uploaded soon, though. Meanwhile, here's a classic recording of Beautiful Music station 1260 KOIT (San Francisco, CA) in Kahn AM Stereo, from early 1984: http://www.geocities.com/amstereo2001/1260koit.mp3 From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 07:02:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62302 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 14:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 14:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41006.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 14:02:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20030622140256.34257.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.86.249.182] by web41006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:02:56 PDT Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2502CA2A-A486-11D7-BFB5-0005021D3C76@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Isn't F.M. now where A.M. was when F.M. took over? Boring stations, bad music, too-stuffy an atmosphere, too corporate, shut-up-and-play-the-music mentality. Jay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 07:10:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65818 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 14:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 14:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41002.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.1) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 14:10:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20030622141028.288.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.86.249.182] by web41002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:10:28 PDT Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001401c33883$6c260c90$9802a8c0@jimspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Well, his figures are wrong. According to the WRTH, America has about a 1:2 person:radio ratio. There were 520 million radios when there were 260 million people, resulting in that result exactly. He didn't hit the nail on the head of anything. He made an excuse for not promoting anything. Well, we're a lazy station, or manufacturer and NOBODY wants A.M. stereo, just like they said about F.M. for its first 35 years (1933-1968), so I guess they must be right, I guess.... Great attitude. F.M. was given time to grow. Unfortunately with our McWalChannel attitudes, that's not likely to happen now. Digital isn't the answer to anything. It's just another ploy by the manufacturers to get people to buy more stuff that they don't want and don't need. There's no reason to change it. It would be a step backward and then A.M. WILL sound bad. "Wow, 96kbps is almost as good as an internet stream!" Programming is the answer, not the same old crap with a new coat of paint. 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 07:28:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71522 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 14:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 14:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41005.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 14:28:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20030622142856.70375.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.86.249.182] by web41005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:28:56 PDT Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Florida AM station for sale, $165k To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Unfortunately, the station is in the process of being sold. Check out www.buysellradio.com. Now, back to that one for $70k. Yes, being 23 I'm in it for the love, but the $ has a nice ring to it. I've been in talk radio for 4 years now, so I'd be comfortable with that format. I'll have to see what else is on around there. Jay (Future station owner no matter what anyone says!) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 07:54:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29091 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 14:54:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 14:54:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41003.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 14:54:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20030622145438.23849.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.86.249.182] by web41003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:54:38 PDT Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:54:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Crawford: doubtful of IBOC; sticks with analog AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio One is WPTR/1540-Albany which supposedly has had interference problems from co-channel CHIN-Toronto for about a year now. I dunno. WPTR comes blasting in here in R.I.. They were great in stereo. But, now I have KB1520. I just wish Legends 1540 were back in stereo. I've called the Albany office. They told me they were still getting QRMed from CHIN. I don't know what the other one is, but I hope it's NOT WLGZ/990-Rochester. They sounded GREAT! When I worked at WALE/990-Greenville/Providence, I was the only one who turned the XMTR. off and they would come in here and be rock solid. 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Jun 22 08:19:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74865 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 15:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 15:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 15:19:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2003 15:19:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 15:19:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DEAD LINKS ON AMSTEREORADIO.COM Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 194 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.55.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan http://home.earthlink.net/~genehm/kusa.mp3 http://www.geocities.com/amstereo2000/610kfrc.mp3 http://home.earthlink.net/~gmcartor/kfi84.mp3 http://home.earthlink.net/~gmcarto871/khj84.mp3 From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 10:09:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36131 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 17:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 17:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 17:09:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2003 17:09:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:09:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Easy Listening Aircheck (unscoped) in AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030622012928.03162e30@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 195 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Will this do? (25MB) http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/stations/North- America/USA/California/KABL960OaklandCA9pmPST3-28-2001.mp3 (Cut & paste as necessary.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 22 12:15:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23267 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 19:15:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 19:15:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 19:15:32 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-124.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.124]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5MJFPoG024543 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:15:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000d01c338f2$b79f0900$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <001401c33883$6c260c90$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:15:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Right now I'm listening to a CD with an aircheck of CFCO recorded 60 miles away in Toledo OH on a Fanfare tuner. True, it's a high-buck unit, but if there's some way the technology could come down in price so more of the average Joe and Jane Q. Public could hear it, you'd see more and more music on AM as it cleans up the noise and preserves the stereo like you wouldn't believe. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > Many of you think the Gen X'ers shy away from AM because of the fidelity > issues or lack of stereo, but it's static that killed the AM band for music, > not the 80 year-old technology. Digital is probably the best way to get rid > of it. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 22 12:28:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84527 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 19:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 19:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 19:28:27 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-124.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.124]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5MJSMoG027481 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:28:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002b01c338f4$86f6c200$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030622142856.70375.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Florida AM station for sale, $165k Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:28:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude $70k would buy you the license but it needs some repairs. It does still have a working production studio, and with the right computer you could still program it until you get main control rebuilt (a stereo Autogram with rotary pots is still in there). You'll also need several hundred bucks to put new caps and transistors into the old MW-1A; up to $3k if you need someone to do it for you. I'd be glad to help do it. I'd charge less though I couldn't do it for free. Plan on spending $110k to start with. BTW, the tower fence needs repair too. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" To: Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Florida AM station for sale, $165k > Unfortunately, the station is in the process of > being sold. Check out www.buysellradio.com. > > Now, back to that one for $70k. Yes, being 23 > I'm in it for the love, but the $ has a nice ring > to it. I've been in talk radio for 4 years now, > so I'd be comfortable with that format. I'll > have to see what else is on around there. > > Jay > > (Future station owner no matter what anyone says!) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 22 12:35:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62066 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 19:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 19:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 19:35:44 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-124.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.124]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5MJZcoG029034 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:35:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003f01c338f5$8af104a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <3EF4F7F5.C9013332@skyweb.net> Subject: RCA help- was: "AM is dead"... NOT! Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:36:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't have a great deal of experience with these, but I'll give it a shot- Did you first try getting the transmitter on the air on its original frequency? I've got a couple of broadcast rigs I've thought about putting on the ham bands, and one of the first things I want to do is to fire them up where they were originally, make sure they're reliable and then start tweaking. Get a complete set of meter readings for comparison. That'll go a long way to helping you find problems later. Are the 5763s shorting, or going flat? The both would indicate some sort of overload, but the latter would tell me the whole tube is drawing too much current. If it's some sort of grid short, then look for overdissipation in that circuit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > OK you RCA Gurus.... > why wont My BTA transmitter give Me any Osc...???? > I have gone through 4 5763 Tubes in 3 weeks...... ARRRRHHHHHHH From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Jun 22 12:41:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53132 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 19:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 19:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 19:41:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:41:38 -0700 Received: from 172.135.244.7 by bay7-dav52.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:41:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Easy Listening Aircheck (unscoped) in AM Stereo? Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 15:41:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2003 19:41:38.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BF7FF00:01C338F6] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.244.7] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: > Meanwhile, here's a classic recording of Beautiful Music station 1260 KOIT (San Francisco, CA) in Kahn AM Stereo, from early 1984: Notice the lack of platform motion, even with the co-channel interference in the background. This is what AM Stereo was supposed to sound like! Like him or not, ole Lenny Kahn knows how to make AM sound good! Kevin BTW, I am getting a 15Khz pilot from WBT 1110 on the groundwave signal today. I am going to have to get in touch with an engineer I know in Charlotte. They may have never removed the Kahn exciter from the backup transmitter??? From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 12:45:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63844 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 19:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 19:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 19:45:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2003 19:45:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:45:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT, studio location Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030622045332.71156.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 614 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.17.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > donn wrote: "What's a BASEMENT ? :)" > > Funny you should mention that, as I had a visitor from California visit us here > in the Midwest, and she thought that a basment was one of the coolest things > that she'd ever seen!. Basements are something we take for granted as > neccessary in the Midwest for safety in case of a tornado, but a great way to > get a lot of extra square footage in our homes. Not to mention it's a great place for an air/production studio. Gotta motor(ola). Working on the "stereo sixteen" jingles. From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sun Jun 22 13:24:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29509 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 20:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 20:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 20:24:51 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A64E221ACF2 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127881A0218 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030622162436.02d5a940@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:25:11 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Easy Listening Aircheck (unscoped) in AM Stereo? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks all for the airchecks. They sound great! I think Lenny's sounds better! At 03:41 PM 6/22/03 -0400, you wrote: >Kevin T. wrote: >> Meanwhile, here's a classic recording of Beautiful Music station 1260 KOIT >(San Francisco, CA) in Kahn AM Stereo, from early 1984: > >Notice the lack of platform motion, even with the co-channel interference in >the background. This is what AM Stereo was supposed to sound like! > >Like him or not, ole Lenny Kahn knows how to make AM sound good! > >Kevin > >BTW, I am getting a 15Khz pilot from WBT 1110 on the groundwave signal >today. I am going to have to get in touch with an engineer I know in >Charlotte. They may have never removed the Kahn exciter from the backup >transmitter??? > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 13:52:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64395 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 20:52:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 20:52:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 20:52:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2003 20:52:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:52:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DEAD LINKS ON AMSTEREORADIO.COM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 391 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > http://home.earthlink.net/~genehm/kusa.mp3 > http://www.geocities.com/amstereo2000/610kfrc.mp3 > http://home.earthlink.net/~gmcartor/kfi84.mp3 > http://home.earthlink.net/~gmcarto871/khj84.mp3 These are all links on one of Alex K.'s web pages, which I have no control over. All the other MP3s on that page are working, so the link to it on www.AMStereoRadio.com will remain, for now. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 14:03:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82988 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 21:03:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 21:03:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 21:03:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2003 21:03:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:03:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KOIT aircheck, WBT in Kahn AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Notice the lack of platform motion, even with the co-channel > interference in the background. This is what AM Stereo was supposed > to sound like! Actually, in that aircheck of KOIT, it sounds more like intermod from another strong AM signal somewhere else on the band (perhaps 610 KFRC?). I've never heard co-channel interference that sounds like that, even in Kahn mode -- the distant transmitter would need to be perfectly synchronized with KOIT's to sound that steady and consistent. And Kahn AM Stereo *does* have platform motion -- between the L+R and L-R components. This gives a strange "phasing" effect when listening with stereo headphones or speakers, which may be less obtrusive than the Left-to-Right motion of the other AM Stereo systems, but is still present nonetheless. > BTW, I am getting a 15Khz pilot from WBT 1110 on the groundwave > signal today. I am going to have to get in touch with an engineer > I know in Charlotte. They may have never removed the Kahn exciter > from the backup transmitter??? All Kahn "Power-Side" exciters have the capability to transmit in Kahn AM Stereo mode and/or with the Kahn 15 Hz pilot tone. In fact, there is a switch right on the front panel to select either "Power Side" or so-called "Normal Stereo" modes. WBT may have one of these "accidentally" switched into Kahn AM Stereo mode, but without any true Stereo audio being fed to it, all you will notice is the 15 Hz pilot tone. (BTW, what kind of radio do you have which can identify a Kahn pilot tone?) From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Jun 22 14:46:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77861 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 21:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 21:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 21:46:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:46:03 -0700 Received: from 172.135.244.7 by bay7-dav24.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:46:02 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KOIT aircheck, WBT in Kahn AM Stereo? Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:45:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2003 21:46:03.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD3630F0:01C33907] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.244.7] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 "Kevin T." wrote: > All Kahn "Power-Side" exciters have the capability to transmit in Kahn AM Stereo mode and/or with the Kahn 15 Hz pilot tone. In fact, there is a switch right on the front panel to select either "Power Side" or so-called "Normal Stereo" modes. WBT may have one of these "accidentally" switched into Kahn AM Stereo mode, WBT was one of the first Kahn stations. I have never noticed them running in Powerside mode, but then I am not a regular listener of WBT. > >BTW, what kind of radio do you have which can identify a Kahn pilot tone A 1986 vintage Kenwood KRC-939 Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Jun 22 14:54:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81354 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 21:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 21:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.109) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 21:54:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:54:50 -0700 Received: from 172.135.244.7 by bay7-dav5.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:54:50 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KOIT aircheck, WBT in Kahn AM Stereo? Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:54:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2003 21:54:50.0692 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7BC8840:01C33908] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.244.7] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: >I've never heard co-channel interference that sounds like that, even in Kahn mode -- the distant transmitter would need to be perfectly synchronized with KOIT's to sound that steady and consistent. It sounds JUST like the co-channel interference between WFIS and WTZQ on 1600. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 15:22:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31209 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 22:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 22:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 22:22:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2003 22:22:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:22:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1210 WPHT - keeping the AM Stereo faith Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's a message from WPHT's engineer that was posted to the Philadelphia radio message board when another person commented about the difference in their audio lately... also note the comments in the last paragraph: =========== Name: Dave Skalish E-Mail: dave.skalish@verizon.net Date: 6/22/03 12:32 p.m. In Reply To: Speaking of 1210 (RockinRob) Our Optimod 9100B2 processor had some problems with creating "carrier shift" in both transmitters, therefore I inserted the CRL AM Stereo processor in it's place for now until it is resolved. The CRL is "good" and really yields more separation for AM stereo, but lacks the broadband & loudness processing the Optimod is famous for. It's a difficult trade off to go for extended loudness & presence..for the lack of stereo separation. having more dynamic range is the tradeoff to loudness & presence. In any event, you need to have your transmitters compliant, and a small DC offset in your audio processing can cause some undesireable effects. Hows that for a techno radio geek response? I agree, the CRL does give a more FM like sound. The optimod will do the same, with conservative settings. Thanks for listening, & I hope you enjoy the AM stereo. There are no plans to shut that off as long as we have music programing on the weekends, though when IBOC gets rolling, that will change things. That is a while off yet, until our fearless leaders can resolve the nighttime interference issues. -DS From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 15:35:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88133 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 22:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 22:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 22:35:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2003 22:35:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:35:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: KOIT aircheck, WBT in Kahn AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 267 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 67.35.144.157 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > It sounds JUST like the co-channel interference between WFIS and WTZQ on > 1600. I assume you got the plots of WFIS and WTZQ plotted with WTZQ at different power levels? Powell From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Jun 22 16:05:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6889 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 23:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 23:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.9) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 23:05:41 -0000 Received: from logs-wa.proxy.aol.com (logs-wa.proxy.aol.com [205.188.192.14]) by rly-ip05.mx.aol.com (v90_r2.6) with ESMTP id RELAYIN6-0622190454; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:04:54 2000 Received: from ibm (AC8A2B44.ipt.aol.com [172.138.43.68]) by logs-wa.proxy.aol.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h5MN1KxT517912 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:01:20 GMT Message-ID: <003301c33912$2c049c00$442b8aac@aoldsl.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KOIT aircheck, WBT in Kahn AM Stereo? Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:01:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Apparently-From: DodgeRamTrucker@aol.com From: "Possum Hunter" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III wrote: > I assume you got the plots of WFIS and WTZQ plotted with WTZQ at different power levels? I no longer work for WFIS. I have not been there since May 4th, so I don't know what they have and don't have. Kevin From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jun 22 16:21:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88573 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 23:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 23:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 23:21:29 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.153.20a0294e (3996) for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <153.20a0294e.2c2793f0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:21:20 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's actually IBOC that's DYING...with it's poor quality signal and it's incompatibility with current analog radios. We should dump IBOC, and preserve AM Stereo for future generations to enjoy. I don't find it logical for the industry to experiment with something that will be a massive failure, like IBOC. No one will be able to afford the IBOC radios that could be offered. Unlike with AM Stereo, IBOC receivers will not come down in price. Nobody wants IBOC; they want to keep AM Stereo and FM Stereo. Besides, John is off on the population of the United States by 20 million (the official count is 280 million); commercial radio has lost nearly 80 million listeners (based on the official figure of 280 million) in the last decade and a half. IBOC will not bring the audiences back. This is not a technology crisis in radio, it's a programming crisis. The only way to bring audiences back is to program formats that people want to hear instead of the formats that "consultants" think people want to hear. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jun 22 16:21:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30722 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 23:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 23:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 23:21:37 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.199.1c36f1bb (3996) for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199.1c36f1bb.2c2793f2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:21:22 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} AFN To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try 6458 kHz during nighttime hours. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereorules@msn.com Sun Jun 22 16:21:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17139 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 23:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 23:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 23:21:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2003 23:21:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:21:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Easy Listening Aircheck (unscoped) in AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 220 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >BTW, I am getting a 15Khz pilot from WBT 1110 on the groundwave >signal today. Are you sure that is not 15Hz, and how did you measure it? -Mario Orazio Now returning to my home planet Zatox Remember, AMStereoRules From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Jun 22 16:24:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23897 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 23:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 23:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 23:24:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:24:04 -0700 Received: from 172.138.43.68 by bay7-dav26.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:24:04 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <2502CA2A-A486-11D7-BFB5-0005021D3C76@mac.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:23:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2003 23:24:04.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[5ED8F880:01C33915] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.138.43.68] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Richard Wagoner wrote: > Programming killed music on AM. Bad programming. And rotten audio sure didn't help matters! I was in Eastern Tennessee a couple of weeks ago. WSEV 930 was simulcasting WSEV-FM 105.5. It sounded like they were using a 5Khz phone loop for the AM audio! In my opinion, they are idiots. I can understand simulcasting the AM and FM because the FM is nearly unlistenable in most of the county due to multipath and picket fencing. (Lots of BIG mountains in the area). They would get better coverage if they went Mono on the FM and put Hi-Fi C-QUAM on the AM. It is good for them there is only one other local station, a Top 40 on FM, because they would be silent within a month with real competition. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Jun 22 16:29:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32490 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 23:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2003 23:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.21) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 23:29:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:29:13 -0700 Received: from 172.138.43.68 by bay7-dav49.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:29:13 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: 15Hz Pilot Tone Was: Easy Listening Aircheck (unscoped) in AM Stereo? Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:29:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2003 23:29:13.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[17096020:01C33916] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.138.43.68] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 amstereorules wrote: > Are you sure that is not 15Hz, and how did you measure it? 15Khz pilot tones are easy to detect.....if one is present, all of the dogs start howling when you turn up the radio! Kevin From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 23:32:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70572 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 06:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 06:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 06:32:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 06:32:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 06:32:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Easy Listening Aircheck (unscoped) in AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 392 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.16.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > Will this do? (25MB) > > http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/stations/North- > America/USA/California/KABL960OaklandCA9pmPST3-28-2001.mp3 > > (Cut & paste as necessary.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Sounds great. What was the source tuner and distance for this one, if known? Curious mind wants to know. From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 23:36:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34791 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 06:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 06:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 06:36:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 06:36:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 06:36:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 15Hz Pilot Tone Was: Easy Listening Aircheck (unscoped) in AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.16.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > amstereorules wrote: > > Are you sure that is not 15Hz, and how did you measure it? > > 15Khz pilot tones are easy to detect.....if one is present, all of the dogs > start howling when you turn up the radio! > > Kevin Isn't broadcast television the only audio in this country with a 15 - KHz- pilot? From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 23:49:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64340 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 06:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 06:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 06:49:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 06:49:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 06:49:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Easy Listening Aircheck (unscoped) in AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 744 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.167 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > Will this do? (25MB) > > > > http://www.amstereo.audio- stream.net/amstereo/files/stations/North- > > America/USA/California/KABL960OaklandCA9pmPST3-28-2001.mp3 > > > > (Cut & paste as necessary.) > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > Sounds great. What was the source tuner and distance for this one, if > known? Curious mind wants to know. I think it's in the ID3 tag. Seems like it's an Aiwa CR-DS805 pocket digitally-tuned radio, with a Select-A-Tenna in a hotel room in Santa Rosa, CA, about 60 miles from the Oakland transmitter, recorded direct to a laptop. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 23:52:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67948 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 06:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 06:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 06:52:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 06:52:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 06:52:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 15Hz Pilot Tone Was: Easy Listening Aircheck (unscoped) in AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 531 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.167 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: > > amstereorules wrote: > > > Are you sure that is not 15Hz, and how did you measure it? > > > > 15Khz pilot tones are easy to detect.....if one is present, all of > the dogs > > start howling when you turn up the radio! > > > > Kevin > > Isn't broadcast television the only audio in this country with a 15 - > KHz- pilot? MTS stereo, yes. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 23:57:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79119 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 06:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 06:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 06:56:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 06:56:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 06:56:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Easy Listening Aircheck (unscoped) in AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 589 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.167 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: =snip= > I think it's in the ID3 tag. Seems like it's an Aiwa CR-DS805 pocket > digitally-tuned radio, with a Select-A-Tenna in a hotel room in Santa > Rosa, CA, about 60 miles from the Oakland transmitter, recorded > direct to a laptop. Oh, and compare that to the KABL Omega samples in the files section- Recorded under similar conditions, in the same town, but with a Tewrk AM Advantage antenna...and an Omega prototype receiver. THIS is why the Omega technology shines as it does! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 23:58:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99386 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 06:58:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 06:58:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 06:58:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 06:58:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 06:58:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Easy Listening Aircheck (unscoped) in AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 717 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.167 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > =snip= > > > I think it's in the ID3 tag. Seems like it's an Aiwa CR-DS805 > pocket > > digitally-tuned radio, with a Select-A-Tenna in a hotel room in > Santa > > Rosa, CA, about 60 miles from the Oakland transmitter, recorded > > direct to a laptop. > > Oh, and compare that to the KABL Omega samples in the files section- > Recorded under similar conditions, in the same town, but with a Tewrk > AM Advantage antenna...and an Omega prototype receiver. THIS is why > the Omega technology shines as it does! Damn typos- TERK. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 01:17:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68726 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 08:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 08:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 08:17:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 08:17:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:17:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 15Hz Pilot Tone Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 846 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics >> Isn't broadcast television the only audio in this country with a >> 15 - KHz- pilot? > > MTS stereo, yes. Many music recordings also have an inadvertent 15.7 kHz "pilot tone" in the audio -- caused by the oscillator whine of a TV monitor that was in use in room the recording was made. Although the level is usually not high enough to be audible, an audio spectrum analysis reveals this "phantom pilot tone" to be present in a surprisingly large number of music recordings, on CDs, cassettes, and LPs alike. Eric Clapton's hit song "Wonderful Tonight" also contains a *19 kHz* "pilot tone" whenever his microphone is active... but I'm not sure what would cause that, as I doubt anything in the recording studio would have been related to the 19 kHz FM Stereo pilot tone, and TVs/monitors with a 19 kHz sweep rate are not common. From dav259@csiro.au Mon Jun 23 01:40:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34733 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 08:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 08:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 08:40:13 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5N8eBJ27420 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:40:11 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:40:11 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lighting a Pilot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, bradleyj923 wrote: > 2) WXNT. Used to be a Harris test staion in the 80's as WIRE. Then a > great sounding C-QuAM station with Standards as WMYS. When they > switched to WXNT 2 years ago, they killed off the pilot. My friend > Doug had sent e-mails, but they never got a reply. I finally got him > to call them on the phone. Here is the e-mail I got from him after > his conversation. Well done Brad! Do you know the e-mail address of Kyle Twenty at WXNT? "Bob Green" wants to visit Spring Lake, IN and said him an encouraging message to flick the exciter back on - until the great IBOC either arrives or fades into oblivion. Otherwise can someone give me a web address where it's easy to type in a US city and get its zipcode? The feedback e-mail thingos often want zipcodes. Ian (IBOC should be zipped!) From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jun 23 06:31:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46361 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 13:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 13:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 13:31:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 13:31:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:31:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c33883$6c260c90$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5990 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking While it is true that the AM broadcast band is prone to natural and human created interference, it is possible to send out a relatively "static free" AM signal over a sizeable coverage area. Sound engineering, a good pattern and good ground conductivity help here. Of course, nothing can compete with a thunderstorm - here, they are pretty rare, and are almost exclusively at night. Examples of AM stations in the Maritimes with larger than FM virtually interference coverage areas include CHTN [720, 10kw/d, 7.5 kw/n], CFCY [630, 10kw/d, 5 kw/n]. CJFX used to be "static free" from Antigonish to 15 miles west of Sydney NS - a 2 hour drive - with 25kw d and n. The redeployment of one tower [taken apart and carried up a nearby mountain for EX-FM's 75kw wonder of wonders] threw this coverage to the wolves, or more accurately, to The Hawks! ;) CJFX a.k.a. EX-FM is a textbook example of how good AM stereo coverage can be, and how unremarkable FM coverage can be. For example, EX-FM has at least one dead spot in its 3 mv/m contour, and we are not talking about a Times Square type situation here, rather, a rural area near water [near the Pictou Causeway, for those who are curious]! Possibly beam tilt problems??? FM, while mostly immune to AM's interference shortcomings, has problems of its own. Multipath, picket fencing etc. can really plague FM. How many times have I pulled up 2 or 3 more inches to a traffic light in order to attempt to improve FM reception? Anyone who has driven in downtown Halifax - hardly Boston or New York [but Halifax is working on it]knows how enjoyable it is to listen to the local 100kwers break up. Perhaps the reason for Halifax getting DAB before other larger Canadian cities. Interestingly enough, sometimes AM style interference can bother FM too. Here in PEI, on the edge of EX-FM's 0.5 mv/m contour, some traffic lights will throw this 75 kw signal into a messy tailspin. Sure, by the time you reach an FM station's 3 mv/m contour, it is immune to static, with the only flaws being multipath and picket fencing [and the occassional blackout, in the case of EX-FM - likely shawdowing from Eigg mountain or beam tilt issues], but even a Class C doesn't have an overly large coverage at that contour - perhaps a 30 to 35 mile radius - not enough to cover many commutes these days. AM, FM and DAB all have strong advantages, and strong disadvantegeous. The best is a mix of the three. Nothing can beat DAB for urban core coverage. FM generally works well in suburban areas, small cities and towns. AM can [pattern and ground conductivity issues asside] cover vast rural areas. When I speak of DAB, I am refering to Eureka 147, not the experiment known as IBOC. Sarcastalamb a.k.a. Phil R. P.S. Here a basement is a cool place in summer, where one can play with their "toys" ;) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > It is not the bandwidth issue that killed music on AM.. It is the noisy > nature of the MW band and the method of carrier modulation that makes it > inherently susceptible to static and noise. > I admit that I have always been an AM Stereo fan, and I also will admit that > if done properly, AM stereo actually sounds beter (to me) than most of the > FM's. As I have said many times here before, there is an AM Stereo station > between Indianapolis and Louisville in Seymour Indiana that still plays > music on AM (1390 WZZB 1kw days/65 watts night omni). They use a Harris > C-Quam exciter and the guy who put the audio chain together (a friend of > mine) really put it together right. They play mainstream gold- based AC and > they sound as good on my Delco AM Stereo radio as any FM out there (maybe > better due to the nature of how AM Stereo can be processed). It is the > best-sounding AM Stereo in America (that I've had the pleasure of hearing). > 30 years aho we raved about good the audio-chain on KFRC was, and they were > hearlded as the best spounding AM in America. WZZB sounds that good, only > they are in stereo. > The problem is, unless you live within 10 miles of their transmitter, the > 'glorious AM Stereo" (as many like to call it here) is mixed with snaps, > crackles and pops, and heaven help you if you try to listen during a > thunderstorm. Even if you live in an urban area, close to a 50kw Class 1A > clear, you still get interferance from power lines, automobile > spark-plug/alternator/electrical systems and the wrath of nature. > When I was a kid listening to AM Top 40, you had to put up with power-line > buzz/hum and all of the other noise on the MW band, but then came FM, > without all of that interferance. It doesn't matter how good AM Stereo > sounds, when you drive into a tunnel or under an iron bridge or overpass, > you lose the signal or it gets riddled with interferance. > Even in downtown Chicago, when you pass certain power lines or overpasses, > WLS's "glorious AM Stereo" turns into stereo static (stereo actually > emphasizes the static). > Many of you think the Gen X'ers shy away from AM because of the fidelity > issues or lack of stereo, but it's static that killed the AM band for music, > not the 80 year-old technology. Digital is probably the best way to get rid > of it. I hate to see the AM Stereo technology slip away, but if IBOC cleans > up the static, it might not be such a bad thing. I agree that if the MP3 > samples of Ibiquity's IBOC is an indication of the quality of audio, it > won't gather much of a music audience, but if you can listen to Rush, Dr > Laura, Bruce Williams and Larry King static-free, it might not be such a bad > thing for the MW band (please, don't flame me for mentioning Rush, it's just > my example). > And... public apathy doesn't help your cause. Whoever posted the comment > about 200 members of this group out of 300 million Americans with 900 > million radios hit the nail on the head. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 08:08:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61145 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 15:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 15:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 15:08:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20030623150826.23267.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:08:26 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Longer CFCO File loaded on the FTP server To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Here's a longer Sinatra version from CFCO (sorry to say I got all of it loaded, EXCEPT the final 15 seconds of the song with the "MY, MY" ending). Take a listen at: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/id+thats life.mp3 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From jim@burgan.net Mon Jun 23 08:16:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17654 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 15:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 15:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.asp.att.net) (63.240.76.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 15:16:22 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-233-146.client.insightbb.com[12.221.233.146]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030623151621im200adl04e>; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:16:21 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c3399a$68746070$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:16:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >FM, while mostly immune to AM's interference shortcomings, has >problems of its own. Multipath, picket fencing etc. can really >plague FM. How many times have I pulled up 2 or 3 more inches to a >traffic light in order to attempt to improve FM reception? Anyone >who has driven in downtown Halifax - hardly Boston or New York [but >Halifax is working on it]knows how enjoyable it is to listen to the >local 100kwers break up. Not to mention troposhperic ducting.... I live in South Central Indiana, 40 miles south of Indianapolis and last night WGLD (Gold 104.5 Indianapolis) was barely audible here... They were getting trounced on by WLKT (104-5 "The Cat" from Lexington Kentucky)....130 miles as the crow files. It's that time of year again and the 'ducting forecast' is radical thru the middle of the week in parts of the Ohio Valley... Check this out for Southern/Southeastern Indiana for tomorrow (Tuesday) and Wednesday---> http://www.globalserve.net/~hepburnw/tropo.html From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jun 23 09:15:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89762 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 16:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 16:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 16:15:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 16:15:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:15:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c3399a$68746070$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3062 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Very true. 12 kw C98 in Saint John NB [at least 150 air miles away] regularly messes up 75 kw EX-FM which is about 55 air miles away. AM's interference problems from other stations tend to be focused at night and are more or less predictable to the public - e.g. poor nighttime reception, whereas Troph, and even more so Sporadic E, have no predictability from the public's perspective. DXers and radio enthusiasts of course know that certain weather patterns and phenomina do allow these opportunities for long range FM reception to occur. Recently, I picked up an FM station on 98.9 from the US Pacific northwest outshouting EX-FM, likely double or tripple-hop Sporadic E. SE is fairly common here from Detroit, New Orleans, Dallas, Nashville etc. Thus, to the extent that FM capture ratio could be replaced by a digital identifying system, whereby the receiver could lock in on the desired signal, even if there was a stronger station on the same frequency, this could be helpful. Such as 98.9 code 714 for C98 and 98.9 code 237 for EX-FM. I don't suspect IBOC is that sophisticated, but if it was, it could be a good selling point. Digital technology could help out AM's interference woes too, and perhaps FM's as well. Receive only technology appears to help - based on the Fanfare CFCO clips, without creating any mischief. According to the WOR folks, IBOC on AM does help on signal penetration in office buildings, high rise buildings etc. - some audio clips on this would be helpful to hear - however, there is some mischief digital artifacts - which likely can be improved to an acceptable level for casual listening - and perceived additional splatter, which may require a lot more tinkering in the basement. Personally, I believe that the basic theory of IBOC should be able to work well with FM and if it could deal effectively with multipath, picket fencing, troph and sporadic E without creating difficulties for adjacent channels, and with decent fidelity - it would be well worth pursuing, but that the standard AM band is just too crowded. Recieve only digital could be just what the AM band needs, as I don't think IBOC is the answer. The concept of transmitting digital on the AM band is nonetheless an intriguing idea, well worth experimenting and perfecting in the basement. Just don't bring it up out of the basement until the benefits are clear, and the mischief is reduced to a reasonable level. Phil R. > Not to mention troposhperic ducting.... > I live in South Central Indiana, 40 miles south of Indianapolis and last > night WGLD (Gold 104.5 Indianapolis) was barely audible here... They were > getting trounced on by WLKT (104-5 "The Cat" from Lexington Kentucky)....130 > miles as the crow files. > It's that time of year again and the 'ducting forecast' is radical thru the > middle of the week in parts of the Ohio Valley... > Check this out for Southern/Southeastern Indiana for tomorrow (Tuesday) and > Wednesday---> http://www.globalserve.net/~hepburnw/tropo.html From dougharding@mindspring.com Mon Jun 23 09:21:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87916 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 16:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 16:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 16:21:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 16:20:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:20:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: KRUD Radio web site Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 229 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding This is the best site I have ever seen on commercial radio. It really hits the nail on the head. The cartoons are GREAT! http://www.krud.com I no longer work in commercial radio but I can relate to every cartoon on that site. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 09:30:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34701 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 16:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 16:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 16:30:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 16:30:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:30:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 463 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.167 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: =snip= > Digital technology could help out AM's interference woes too, and > perhaps FM's as well. Receive only technology appears to help - > based on the Fanfare CFCO clips, without creating any mischief. From what I have been led to believe, there is not a single digital component in the Omega chain, as far as I know. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Omega isn't Symphony....thankfully.) From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jun 23 09:38:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26639 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 16:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 16:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 16:38:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 16:37:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:37:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KRUD Radio web site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 479 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I just emailed it to my brothers, both of whom had worked in commercial radio. I especially like the well chosen jab at consultants and GMs. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > This is the best site I have ever seen on commercial radio. It really > hits the nail on the head. The cartoons are GREAT! > > http://www.krud.com > > I no longer work in commercial radio but I can relate to every cartoon > on that site. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jun 23 09:42:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89757 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 16:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 16:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 16:42:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 16:41:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:41:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 907 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking An analogue way of dealing with interference etc. - interesting! Perhaps through phase cancellation or something like that? I wonder how it works? Could Marv give us sort of a verbal block diagram, as understandably the precise details would likely be part of a patented design. I just assumed it was receive only digital. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" > wrote: > > =snip= > > > Digital technology could help out AM's interference woes too, and > > perhaps FM's as well. Receive only technology appears to help - > > based on the Fanfare CFCO clips, without creating any mischief. > > From what I have been led to believe, there is not a single digital > component in the Omega chain, as far as I know. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Omega isn't Symphony....thankfully.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 09:42:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90888 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 16:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 16:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 16:42:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 16:42:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:42:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KRUD Radio web site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 76 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.167 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Consultants, bah! Consultants DESTROYED radio in America! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 10:04:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81785 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 17:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 17:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 17:04:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 17:04:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:04:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 568 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.167 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" wrote: > An analogue way of dealing with interference etc. - interesting! > Perhaps through phase cancellation or something like that? I wonder > how it works? Could Marv give us sort of a verbal block diagram, as > understandably the precise details would likely be part of a > patented design. I just assumed it was receive only digital. I think we'll know when the patents are finally issued. I don't think there will be much detail before then, for security's sake. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 10:14:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32155 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 17:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 17:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 17:14:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 17:14:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:14:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: analog interference cancellation Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 756 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > An analogue way of dealing with interference etc. - interesting! One very old method is to take two radios, tune one to the desired station, and tune another to a nearby blank spot on the dial. Then, take the audio output of the "blank channel" receiver and combine it with the main receiver's audio, *out-of-phase*. That way, since both are so close in frequency, both receivers will pick up the same noise and static (lightning crashes, etc.), however, the inverted phase of the "blank channel" receiver will effectively *cancel out* this noise when combined with the main receiver's audio. Of course, on today's crowded AM band, a nearby blank channel may be hard to find, but this method should work well on Longwave or Shortwave. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jun 23 10:39:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78626 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 17:39:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 17:39:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 17:38:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 17:38:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:38:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: analog interference cancellation Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1290 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Would work great here in Canada, at least by day, as the AM band is becoming rapidly depopulated. Phil R. P.S. I've heard of carrier current stations plagued with unsolvable 60 hz AC hum problems [brings back so many fond CFXU 690 and 700 memories, along with the purple carpeting!]who solved the problem by recording the hum, then "playing it back" at just the right level - thus, the hum went dark, not the station. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > An analogue way of dealing with interference etc. - interesting! > > > One very old method is to take two radios, tune one to the desired > station, and tune another to a nearby blank spot on the dial. Then, > take the audio output of the "blank channel" receiver and combine it > with the main receiver's audio, *out-of-phase*. That way, since both > are so close in frequency, both receivers will pick up the same noise > and static (lightning crashes, etc.), however, the inverted phase of > the "blank channel" receiver will effectively *cancel out* this noise > when combined with the main receiver's audio. Of course, on today's > crowded AM band, a nearby blank channel may be hard to find, but this > method should work well on Longwave or Shortwave. From dougharding@mindspring.com Mon Jun 23 10:54:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39791 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 17:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 17:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 17:54:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 17:54:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:54:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 745 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" > wrote: > > An analogue way of dealing with interference etc. - interesting! > > Perhaps through phase cancellation or something like that? I > wonder > > how it works? Could Marv give us sort of a verbal block diagram, > as > > understandably the precise details would likely be part of a > > patented design. I just assumed it was receive only digital. > > I think we'll know when the patents are finally issued. I don't think > there will be much detail before then, for security's sake. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ You are right Amy. Marv ask me to stop talking about it for security sake. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 11:27:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81560 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 18:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 18:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 18:27:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 18:27:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:27:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WPHT & WNSW hi-fi AM Stereo.... vs. IBOC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1151 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here are a few recordings of 1210 WPHT I made over the weekend, using my trusty Sony SRF-A100 with the help of a Terk AM Advantage antenna. These are daytime recordings, at a distance of approximately 50 miles away from WPHT's transmitter, containing various liners, IDs, commercials, and bumper music with excellent Stereo sound. ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wpht-1.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wpht-2.mp3 (If you're browsing the FTP server, ignore "wpht1.mp3" -- is the result of an aborted attempt at uploading "wpht-1.mp3".) Another new recording is that of 1430 WNSW in Newark, NJ, made using the same receiver-set up, containing a clip of their Sunday afternoon gospel music program: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wnsw2003.mp3 And finally, for those who think that IBOC will ever be acceptable for nighttime use... take a listen to how 1530 WSAI's nighttime IBOC test mangled reception of neighboring 1520 WWKB, which happened to be transmitting "dead air" for a few minutes, thus allowing the adjacent- channel IBOC "hash" to be heard in all its glory: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wsaiiboc.mp3 From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jun 23 11:32:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18182 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 18:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 18:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 18:32:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 18:32:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:32:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: From the CJLS website Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3523 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking From the CJLS website: CJLS Radio is now broadcasting on 95.5 FM in Yarmouth. This replaces the 1340 AM transmitter. The 93.5 FM Digby and the 96.3 FM Shelburne County repeater transmitters will remain on the air to serve listeners in those areas. If you're still stuck on 1340 AM, now's the time to check out 95.5 FM in Yarmouth and area! Saturday night I was listening to CJLS on 1340 on my newly acquired Kenwood R-1000. They were running their dance music show - locally produced of course. The R-1000s wide bandwidth setting of 12 khz gives nice audio up to 6000 hz and a bit beyond, and the sound was great. Too hard to tune the Sony SRF-42, but the last time I had them on my car radio, they werre still in stereo. Even my much ballyhooed Heath PT-1 cannot pick up CJLS on 95.5 18 kw Class B1 here , yet! I have picked up CKBW on 98.1 32 kw Class B here though - likely thanks to Uncle Troph. I don't know when CJLS will be shutting off the AM transmitter, but it will likely be soon. The CRTC, as per boiler plate in all its AM to FM flip approvals, requires the AM license to be surrendered. With the exception of Montreal and Toronto - possibly Vancouver, when an AM station goes dark in Canada, the frequency stays empty. I do know that CJFX 580 AM Stereo will be going dark on Monday, June 30, 2003 - some time between 1 and 6 pm. They have a contest where listeners submit their preferred time for the AM to go off the air. The winner's submitted time then gets chosen, and the winner receives a little radio. No mention about it on the CJFX website, but then again, how often do they update their site lol! I suspect that they will be promoting their AM Stereo service and FM service [the 2.75 kw operation] for months after the AM transmitter has been shut down. Now, wouldn't you think it would make more sense to pick the time for the official opening of the FM facility [rather than the soon to be demised AM site that has been profitable for so long if station management feels obliged to make a contest out of it? Interestingly, for the first time in anyone's memory, CJFX, The X, or EX-FM lost money last year. Competition from 101.5 The Hawk? Maybe. Going from a varyied format to a cookie cutter "Lite Rock" clone, likely. Isn't it wonderful just what a consultant can do to a radio station!!! Now if the winner is from the large portion of Cape Breton that the old 25kw of AM reached very nicely, but the new 75kw of FM reaches very poorly, or not at all, it would be rather ironic. True, the FM reaches areas to the west of Antigonish which the AM did not reach, due to its tight directional pattern. But, when the AM went omni for the last couple of months or so [so one of the two towers could be dismantled and reassembled a few kilometres away] Cape Breton coverage was reduced and western coverage enhanced. Given the move to FM, the identifier now being X-FM rather than CJFX, wouldn't EX-AM be more accurate? The REAL winner, of course, is 580 CFRA. Sarcastalamb a.k.a. Phil R. P.S. The AM could have been preserved by utilizing a medium power, say 8000 to 20,000 watt directional FM site to fill in the AM null. Or, if FM was inevitable due to competitive pressure, the FM would be much more effective with say 2 x 30,000 watt FM sites - one outside of Antigonish, the other in Cape Breton. In other words, 2 43 mile radius Class Bs, rather than one 50 mile radius Class C1. But then, I'm only a simple lamb... From oscar@globility.com Mon Jun 23 13:52:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43121 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 20:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 20:52:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 20:52:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 20:51:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:51:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: "AM is dead"... NOT! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1710 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.249 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rafuse" douglasharding Sorry if I came across as being evasive with the information. I did not mean that you should stop talking about the advent of Omega. It's just that I can't divulge much about its features on this forum until all the protections are in place. Just so the process is understood by all, applying for a patent is not as cut and dried as some might have you believe. Because every stand-alone aspect of the design can become a a patentable entity, these must be included. Just like the guy who invented the lawnmower, he must have seen the potentential it had as a grass mulcher, or did he? In many ways he was safe because the lawnmower was needed as it existed in order to activate the mulch process. But, if he did not patent the mulcher and the mulcher became THE way to deal with grass clippings, chances are the mulch design guy could end up buying him out, or at his most humane, licence the mulch design to lawnmower guy. You've already heard from John P. and from Doug H. how well the Fanfare FTA-100 deals with noise. That's how it gets full AM stereo from 60 - 80 miles. And it's noise that everyone's quacking about that will be stilled by IBOC? I wish everything was that simple. For one thing, opening up the fidelity curve, instead of everything having to be "balls to the wall". Imagine how a radio signal could sound then. Up 'til the last ten years, that is what I did hear, and I miss it. M.S. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 14:02:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3957 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 21:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 21:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 21:02:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20030623210230.98149.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:02:30 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Station to Keep CQuam AM Stereo! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio After contacting the owner of a stereo AM station, and sending them an MP3 of their station recorded from the Fanfare tuner, here's his reply: "Thanks John, we are happy to know that we still sound good out your way. We don't have any plans to make any changes especially when I listen to the telephone quality of the AM stations now broadcasting IBOC. Thanks for listening!" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Jun 23 14:36:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29314 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 21:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 21:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 21:36:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 21:36:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:36:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: analog interference cancellation Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1564 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > An analogue way of dealing with interference etc. - interesting! > > > One very old method is to take two radios, tune one to the desired > station, and tune another to a nearby blank spot on the dial. Then, > take the audio output of the "blank channel" receiver and combine it > with the main receiver's audio, *out-of-phase*. That way, since > both are so close in frequency, both receivers will pick up the same > noise and static (lightning crashes, etc.), however, the inverted > phase of the "blank channel" receiver will effectively *cancel out* > this noise when combined with the main receiver's audio. Of course, > on today's crowded AM band, a nearby blank channel may be hard to > find, but this method should work well on Longwave or Shortwave. If you do this you are going to take a 3 dB hit to the signal to noise ratio right up front. This technique will increase the "noisy" noise by 3 dB without changing the signal level. It may be able to cancel "lightning crashes" to some extent, as well as additive type power line buzz, and other similar noise sources that are coherent across the band, but I suspect this is not easy to do in reality, and you couldn't use just any two radios, they would have to be identical to have any hope of making it work at all. And for all this trouble you take a continuous 3 dB hit in signal to noise ratio. I suspect that this idea is largely an Urban Legend, based on a small grain of truth. John From oscar@globility.com Mon Jun 23 16:06:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63525 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 23:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 23:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 23:06:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 23:06:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:06:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM repeater Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 165 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Does anyone here have any knowledge of there being or the likelihood of there being repeater sites that translate an AM signal to FM for rebroadcast. Tx, M.S. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 16:11:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85738 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 23:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 23:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 23:11:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 23:11:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:10:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Hi. I'm on the lookout for a good rugged mp3 CD player in the $100 to $150 range. I would like an AM/FM tuner, ID3 tagging, and other stuff: controls -- radio presets - numbered buttons, not "up/down" preset buttons, not the kind of stop/play/ff/rew that the Sony DC-NS921F has, but pushbutton controls like you find on a Panasonic RQ-SW88/99 cassette player or something like that radio: minimum of... FM Section=20=09=20=20 Sensitivity-usable(mono) : 10.5dBf (3.5=B5v) Sensitivity-usable(stereo):11.5dBf (3.75=B5v) Sensitivity-50dB quieting(mono): 15dbf (5.6=B5v)=20 Sensitivity-50dB quieting(stereo): 31dBf (35.5=B5v) Stereo Separation (1KHz): >45dB; Audio freq. response (=B11.5dB): 20Hz - 15KHz; Alternate/Adjacent Channel Selectivity - wide/narrow: whatever it takes to get a weak station on 105.1 when I have a strong one on 105.3 for example Tuning range(50/100/200KHz steps): 87.5 - 108.5MHz =20 AM Section=20=09=20 Sensitivity-useable -10dBf(mono) - 40dBf(stereo) Selectivity (Wide) - 25dB (Narrow) - 35dB or, whatever it takes to get a weak signal 200 miles away out from under a strong one 7 miles away that's 10KHz away from tuned frequency (willing to make sacrifice in wide mode) Image Rejection - 35dB Signal/Noise Ratio (SNR) - 55dB Audio Response - narrow - 40Hz - >8KHz, Wide - 16Hz - 15KHz approx Stereo Separation - 35dB Audio Bandwidth >10KHz Anyone know of a GOOD mp3 CD player with specs like that for < $150? From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Jun 23 16:32:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44696 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 23:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2003 23:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2003 23:32:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2003 23:32:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:32:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Is trhe Aiwa CR-DS805 AMAX ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 26 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 213.121.66.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan One on ebay at the moment From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 18:16:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62739 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 01:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 01:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 01:16:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 01:16:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:16:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Is trhe Aiwa CR-DS805 AMAX ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1426 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > One on ebay at the moment From what I've heard of it, the Aiwa walkman has a rather "tinny" sound, with good mid-range, but weak bass and treble. It's still an OK-sounding radio, with good reception and convenient digital tuning, but the only "walkman" that's *officially* AMAX-certified is the infamous Sony SRF-42. Another good choice would by a Sony SRF-A1 or SRF-A100, both with very good reception and AM Stereo sound quality -- but these two radios are both highly valued by AM Stereo enthusiasts and command a high price whenever one in good condition comes up on eBay -- maybe $100 if you're really lucky and get a working but cosmetically imperfect radio, or easily over $250 for one of these in absolutely perfect "never been used" condition. However, a while back somebody posted a link to a web site that's selling newer Sony AM Stereo radios imported from Japan, at reasonable prices (under $100 for a brand new one) -- with both pocket-size "walkman" and larger "mini-boombox" models available. Does anybody have this link on hand? I have the Sony SRF-A300 "mini-boombox" model and it has excellent reception and sound quality, although if you use headphones it's better to use cheap ones because the radio's bass boost (which make the built-in speakers sound great) is not disengaged through the headphone output, so good-quality headphones will sound too "bassy" when used with it. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 18:19:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52499 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 01:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 01:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 01:19:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 01:19:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:19:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 457 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Anyone know of a GOOD mp3 CD player with specs like that for $150? The closest thing to what you're looking for would be to buy an ordinary CD/MP3 "discman" and then duct-tape a Sony SRF-42 on top of it. :-) Seriously, the main attraction of any portable CD/MP3 player is the ability to play audio CDs and MP3-CDs. Any built-in radio tuner is only included as an afterthought, with lousy performance. That's why most come with an FM-only tuner! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 18:28:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28167 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 01:28:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 01:28:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 01:28:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 01:28:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:28:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1530 WSAI: anti-IBOC, but forced to test it anyway Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 989 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is a response from 1530 WSAI's Program Director concerning the interference WSAI's nighttime IBOC tests have been causing to other stations: "Since you're not from Cincinnati I wouldn't expect you to enjoy the WGRR slams. The locals seem to love them. As for the IBOC I'll be happier than anyone when that stops. Unfortunately this technology has to be tested on a 50000 watt AM station which plays music. There aren't many of those and WSAI was chosen as a test station long before we changed formats. If it were my call it wouldn't be there but we simply can't do a thing about it until the testing is done. I'm with you in hoping that it ends soon. Complaints about the interference should be directed to the FCC since they're the ones who will approve or disapprove of this technology. I encourage you to visit FCC.gov and register your complaint. The more who complain the less likely we'll have to live with this forever. Thanks, Dan Allen Program Director" From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Jun 23 19:07:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94357 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 02:07:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 02:07:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf16aec.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 02:07:44 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.211.236.171]) by imf16aec.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030624020743.FIDO28265.imf16aec.bellsouth.net@juan>; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:07:43 -0400 Message-ID: <001701c339f5$66f3cb90$af78fea9@juan> To: , Subject: Radio & Records Covention...and IBOC Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:07:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had the opportunity to hear FM IBOC during my visit to LA this weekend. There were no AM IBOC samples to hear, just FM. I got a chance to hear KROQ in the HD Radio truck. I would be happy to pass on my opinion, If you want to hear it ? Let me know. Juan KB0GXM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon Jun 23 19:11:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47815 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 02:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 02:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 02:11:08 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030624021107.TWYL20281.fed1mtao02.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:11:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:11:06 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio & Records Covention...and IBOC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001701c339f5$66f3cb90$af78fea9@juan> Message-Id: <1D5DC14C-A5E9-11D7-8942-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Let's hear it. On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 07:07 PM, Juan / John Gualda wrote: > I had the opportunity to hear FM IBOC during my visit to LA this > weekend. There were no AM IBOC samples to hear, just FM. I got a > chance to hear KROQ in the HD Radio truck. > > I would be happy to pass on my opinion, If you want to hear it ? Let > me know. > > > Juan > KB0GXM From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Jun 23 19:14:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39568 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 02:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 02:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO babyruth.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 02:14:07 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AF887211261 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 02:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184855pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.77.117]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7951800C4 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 02:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030623221350.025b0230@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:14:29 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio & Records Convention...and IBOC In-Reply-To: <001701c339f5$66f3cb90$af78fea9@juan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please let us know what you think! The (third?) John. (thinking on how many are really on this list.... *Grin* At 10:07 PM 6/23/03 -0400, you wrote: >I had the opportunity to hear FM IBOC during my visit to LA this weekend. There were no AM IBOC samples to hear, just FM. I got a chance to hear KROQ in the HD Radio truck. > >I would be happy to pass on my opinion, If you want to hear it ? Let me know. > > >Juan >KB0GXM > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Mon Jun 23 19:26:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31244 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 02:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 02:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.211) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 02:26:20 -0000 Received: from user-3492.wfd17.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.77.164] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19UdVk-0002GQ-2S for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:26:20 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:25:10 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WTB: Matrix processor, alive or dead. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man I'm on the lookout for a true matrix AMS processor. I'm aware of the Orban 9100 also CRL I believe produce a unit. Not sure of any others? Anything considered. W.H.Y.? -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Jun 23 19:40:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71406 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 02:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 02:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf18aec.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 02:40:07 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.211.236.171]) by imf18aec.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030624024007.BKKC18528.imf18aec.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:40:07 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c339f9$ed2068f0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <1D5DC14C-A5E9-11D7-8942-0005021D3C76@mac.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio & Records Covention...and IBOC Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:40:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It sounded good, at times..but I heard some gargling noises....the switch between analog and digital sounded pretty much the same, except the digital had more treble. KROQ's commercials did not sound good digital....many may have been mp3 spots, not impressive. IBOC demonstration in the Hotel below (pre recorded) .....The Analog vs. Digital prevue was in a weak signal spot, in a car...picket fencing (analog) vs. digital. The analog sample was very noisy. The Digital signal was noise free. In the HD Radio vehicle, it sounded good at times, but there were problems with the sound. In my humble opinion, I would prefer analog to the digital. They had no recorded samples of the AM IBOC Juan From: Richard Wagoner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:11 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio & Records Covention...and IBOC Let's hear it. On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 07:07 PM, Juan / John Gualda wrote: > I had the opportunity to hear FM IBOC during my visit to LA this > weekend. There were no AM IBOC samples to hear, just FM. I got a > chance to hear KROQ in the HD Radio truck. > > I would be happy to pass on my opinion, If you want to hear it ? Let > me know. > > > Juan > KB0GXM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Jun 23 20:50:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96735 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 03:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 03:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.18) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 03:50:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:50:27 -0700 Received: from 172.129.1.80 by bay7-dav46.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:50:27 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTB: Matrix processor, alive or dead. Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:50:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2003 03:50:27.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFD84340:01C33A03] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.129.1.80] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Philip de Cadenet wrote: > I'm on the lookout for a true matrix AMS processor. I'm aware of the Orban 9100 The Orban Optimod 9100A/2 is louder on the air than the 9100B/2 > > also CRL I believe produce a unit. Not sure of any others? Omnia 4.5AM, Omnia 3AM, and Kahn Good-N-Loud. If memory serves me right, Radio Design Labs made a Stereo 3 band compressor in their "Stick-On" line that didn't sound too shabby. You would get the best sound from an Omnia or Kahn processor. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 22:41:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61093 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 05:41:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 05:41:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 05:41:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 05:41:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 05:41:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio & Records Covention...and IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c339f9$ed2068f0$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1303 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It sounded good, at times..but I heard some gargling noises....the > switch between analog and digital sounded pretty much the same, > except the digital had more treble. That's likely because of different audio processing being used, rather than any technical factor of IBOC vs. analog FM. With both, audio processing is a compromise between loudness and fidelity. Analog FM Stereo is capable of fidelity comparable to CD quality, as long as aggressive audio processing is avoided. Most stations playing Classical or Jazz music are a fine example of this. But as soon as you start increasing the level of processing, to create a consistently "loud" sound, the fidelity will suffer, especially at the high end, where delicate high-frequency sounds like hi-hats and cymbals become blurred into an indistinct "hiss". IBOC will not be the savior from this problem -- but the choice of less obtrusive audio processing will! > IBOC demonstration in the Hotel below (pre recorded) Gee, THAT's very realistic! (Can you say "doctored-up recording"?) > They had no recorded samples of the AM IBOC As expected... I guess iBiquity finally realized that nobody in his or her right mind would ever stand listening to AM IBOC digital audio, at least with their own inferior "PAC" encoding. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 22:52:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5535 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 05:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 05:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 05:52:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 05:52:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 05:52:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTB: Matrix processor, alive or dead. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1330 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > I'm on the lookout for a true matrix AMS processor. Popular matrix-type AM Stereo audio processors include: * Orban Optimod 9100 series (latest model is the 9100-B2) * Omnia AM, various models * CRL "AM Stereo Matrix Processor", various models * CRL "Amigo AM" The Optimod seems to be the most popular in the AM Stereo world today, and delivers a very LOUD and very clean sound, but somewhat at the expense of Stereo separation. And it's not cheap! Secondhand examples are rare because this model continues to be in high demand. The Omnia is also popular and can also deliver a very loud signal with very good Stereo separation, but tends to be somewhat distorted when pushed hard, just like Omnia's FM processors. The CRL AM Stereo Matrix Processor is an older and simpler design, but is still used by many AM Stereo stations. It doesn't deliver the same extreme loudness as the newer and more sophisticated processors, but can provide clean, clear sound with very good Stereo separation. The CRL Amigo AM is a more refined version of their matrix processor, providing the best compromise I've heard between loudness and fidelity, with fantastic Stereo separation -- but secondhand examples are hard to find. I'm sure there are others, but these are the most popular audio processors for AM Stereo. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 23:06:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13618 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 06:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 06:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41008.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 06:06:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20030624060640.37283.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.39.62] by web41008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:06:40 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Attn. Hams To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003c01c3380f$cc137d00$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Scott, You'll maybe have to get a G5RV! Other hams, Will anyone be around tonight @ 2100 EDT/0100Z? 73, Jay, N1WVQ Remember: The club call is W1OP. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 23:32:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44890 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 06:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 06:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 06:32:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 06:32:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 06:32:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 597 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Anyone know of a GOOD mp3 CD player with specs like that for $150? > > The closest thing to what you're looking for would be to buy an > ordinary CD/MP3 "discman" and then duct-tape a Sony SRF-42 on top of > it. :-) > > Seriously, the main attraction of any portable CD/MP3 player is the > ability to play audio CDs and MP3-CDs. Any built-in radio tuner is > only included as an afterthought, with lousy performance. That's why > most come with an FM-only tuner! What about getting one with an AM only tuner? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 23:55:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24524 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 06:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 06:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 06:55:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 06:55:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 06:55:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 438 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What about getting one with an AM only tuner? The only AM-only radio for sale in the USA that I know of is the infamous Radio Shack "Flavoradio"... now available in any color you want as long as it's black, and sold as the "Optimus Pocket-Size AM Radio", for $6.99 a pop. Of course, the sales-droid will try to discourage you from buying one because it's AM-only, but if you say "It's for a project", that's the perfect excuse. From rwagoner1@mac.com Tue Jun 24 01:06:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66995 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 08:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 08:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 08:06:49 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030624070604.WSBE3273.fed1mtao06.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:06:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 00:06:07 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <53B08BAC-A612-11D7-BDE7-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner No, you say, "What is this FM you speak of?" I actually have a friend who NEVER listens to FM. Never. Listens to KNX/Los Angeles whenever she has a radio on. On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Kevin T. wrote: >> What about getting one with an AM only tuner? > > The only AM-only radio for sale in the USA that I know of is the > infamous Radio Shack "Flavoradio"... now available in any color you > want as long as it's black, and sold as the "Optimus Pocket-Size AM > Radio", for $6.99 a pop. Of course, the sales-droid will try to > discourage you from buying one because it's AM-only, but if you say > "It's for a project", that's the perfect excuse. > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important > Questions. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From oscar@globility.com Tue Jun 24 07:09:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79404 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 14:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 14:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 14:09:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 14:09:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:09:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <53B08BAC-A612-11D7-BDE7-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1518 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.193 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > No, you say, "What is this FM you speak of?" > > I actually have a friend who NEVER listens to FM. Never. Listens to > KNX/Los Angeles whenever she has a radio on. I met someone once who professed not to like music at all. His wife attested to it, so I guess it must have been true. Truth is, when I'm driving, I like to listen to voice. Some talk, (sans "Stern-oh"), some old radio shows. I like NPR but, like the BBC and the CBC, it can sometimes put you to sleep ... something you don't want while you're driving. In Buffalo, NPR is on AM and FM, but the AM station is 24/7. The FM is a split jazz format. As Phil has already stated, Canada's major broadcasters are laying waste to AM's. However, in the Toronto area , we still have 640, (mojo radio fer guys); 680 All news, 740 with the best oldies (for me), 1010, which has to be classified as "pseudo-intellectual" news and CHUM 1050 for AC oldies. There are others but they are niche market. This is one of the reasons why we built an AM tuner. However, mediocrity is not a word I wish to be associated with and I'm very pleased to hear (per John P and Doug H's comments) we've made it over that hurdle. The next stop is to get some air from Chicago's WGN from a location about 30 miles north of the windy city. Any information anyone can provide on confirmed AM-stereo stations operating into major markets would be most gratefully appreciated. M.S. From jim@burgan.net Tue Jun 24 07:53:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95205 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 14:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 14:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.asp.att.net) (63.240.76.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 14:53:06 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-233-146.client.insightbb.com[12.221.233.146]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030624145305im200aecfle>; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:53:05 +0000 Message-ID: <003301c33a60$5309d2d0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:53:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >> What about getting one with an AM only tuner? >The only AM-only radio for sale in the USA that I know of is the >infamous Radio Shack "Flavoradio"... now available in any color you >want as long as it's black, and sold as the "Optimus Pocket-Size AM >Radio", for $6.99 a pop. Of course, the sales-droid will try to >discourage you from buying one because it's AM-only, but if you say >"It's for a project", that's the perfect excuse. After reading this message, combined with years of personal experience, I have come to the conclusiuon that we are all a bunch of idiots. We walk into Radio Shack looking for something, and wind up making excuses for buying what we went in to buy! What you say, Kevin, is true. The sales people will always try to sell you something other than what you want, so you have to make up some bull-$#@! exceuse for buying what you want. It's sad to comtemplate.... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 08:42:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85025 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 15:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 15:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12801.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 15:42:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20030624154228.58023.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:42:28 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Germany dumps DAB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It seems digital radio isn't doing so well in Germany... ** GERMANY. On Monday (April 14) the major commercial broadcasters of Saxonia, Radio PSR and Hit-Radio Antenne Sachsen, announced that they will discontinue their DAB services by the end of August, following the cessation of the sponsoring by the media authority SLM. In a common release both organizations state that they consider the situation of DAB as "hopeless and without prospects" and compare the 380,000,000 EUR of subsidies paid for DAB since 1987 with the 50,000 sets sold so far, and these 50,000 sets with the 240,000,000 analog FM radios existing in Germany. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From oscar@globility.com Tue Jun 24 08:50:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69075 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 15:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 15:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 15:50:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 15:50:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:50:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c33a60$5309d2d0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1672 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.193 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > We walk into Radio Shack looking for something, and wind up making excuses > for buying what we went in to buy! > What you say, Kevin, is true. > The sales people will always try to sell you something other than what you > want, so you have to make up some bull-$#@! exceuse for buying what I know this is O.T., but I understand the feeling. There are times when RS is the most convenient for some common part that you need one or two of to complete a project. And the clerk is often far from being the expert on parts use and I politely ask him to show me where "x" parts are, and if he'd let me browse a bit. As for their pricing, I liken it to the spots 7-11 used to do some years ago. It involved a simple question "what did you save at 7-11 today?" Ans- 1. "5 minutes" Ans-2 "10 minutes" .. you get the picture. However, when I arrive at the cash, I see that dumb disclaimer about asking for what amounts to be your life history in filling out the invoice. They seem to be more bold if you used a credit card. Just keep in mind they are being strange to the truth when they say they don't sell the information gathered. When I tell the clerk he doesn't need that information, and he says it's for their records and its kept confidential. I get the most peculiar looks when I tell him "Sorry to disillusion you, but I've been offered RS mailing lists by a list broker." And I have. He won't usually pursue the matter further because he has no right to. Few, if any others, gather that information as a matter of course, e-commerce excepted. Just a word to the wise. M.S. From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Jun 24 09:12:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28318 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 16:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 16:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.25.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 16:11:29 -0000 Received: FROM jeff BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Tue Jun 24 13:12:34 2003 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:10:46 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: WTB: Matrix processor, alive or dead. Message-ID: <3EF84DCC.14817.F724A6@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1056466738.629.38069.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff_welton > I'm on the lookout for a true matrix AMS processor. I'm aware of the > Orban 9100 also CRL I believe produce a unit. Not sure of any others? Philip: You might want to also consider the Ariane, by TransLanTech. It's a relatively new product (I saw my first one about two years ago), but has some pretty cool features. If you're looking for used, you probably won't find one and I don't know what the price was (last time I was talking to Jim Huste, he was ballparking around $3000.00). Website is at: http://www.translantech.com/index.html They also have the manual for the Ariane on the website. Primarily it was designed for FM, but the site I saw it installed in was AM, and it does a nice job there - although you may need additional processing on the output side if you are looking for any significant amount of asymmetry. Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 10:27:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60182 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 17:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 17:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 17:27:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 17:27:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:27:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTB: Matrix processor, alive or dead. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EF84DCC.14817.F724A6@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 165 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.167 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I would be utterly fascinated to find out what processors the Japanese AMS stations are using. Gotta love those Japanese AMS samples of late. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jun 24 10:30:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45958 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 17:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 17:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 17:30:46 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.90]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:30:45 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WTB: Matrix processor, alive or dead. Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:30:35 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was gonna comment on that. They sound great! I thought that in Japan, bandwidth was limited further down than we are......like 6khz or so. Is that right? These air checks sound pretty darn bright and crisp! :) Good stuff! Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: amymousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:28 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WTB: Matrix processor, alive or dead. I would be utterly fascinated to find out what processors the Japanese AMS stations are using. Gotta love those Japanese AMS samples of late. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jun 24 10:58:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80965 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 17:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 17:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 17:58:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 17:58:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:58:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 916 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > > This is one of the reasons why we built an AM tuner. However, > mediocrity is not a word I wish to be associated with and I'm very > pleased to hear (per John P and Doug H's comments) we've made it > over that hurdle. The next stop is to get some air from Chicago's > WGN from a location about 30 miles north of the windy city. Is that 30 miles from the Chicago city center, or 30 miles from the WGN transmitter site? 30 miles north of the city would be only about 20 miles from the transmitter. And why north, I can see why east might not work out, but why not south or west? Or maybe even the urban environment of the city center itself, which is over 25 miles from the transmitter site? It occurs to me that it would also be useful if the posted "air checks" included the "GPS" coordinates of the receiving sites used. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jun 24 11:34:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38380 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 18:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 18:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 18:34:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 18:34:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:34:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Germany dumps DAB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030624154228.58023.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1531 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.237 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > ** GERMANY. On Monday (April 14) the major commercial broadcasters > of Saxonia, Radio PSR and Hit-Radio Antenne Sachsen, announced that > they will discontinue their DAB services by the end of August, > following the cessation of the sponsoring by the media authority > SLM. In a common release both organizations state that they consider > the situation of DAB as "hopeless and without prospects" and compare > the 380,000,000 EUR of subsidies paid for DAB since 1987 with the > 50,000 sets sold so far, and these 50,000 sets with the 240,000,000 > analog FM radios existing in Germany. This sounds like the same situation that occurred with the FM band on the first time around in the late 1940s here in the US. This points out the wisdom of the IBOC approach to the problem, which doesn't require the addition of major new infrastructure. I can only see three viable ways to introduce a new service like DAB. The first is the slow and easy approach, where the system is slowly built up over many years, this is essentially what happened with FM in the US the second time around, after it had died in the early 1950s. The second approach is as with digital television in the US, where the analog transmitters will be turned off at a specific date by government decree. The third approach is the IBOC approach which allows using the existing infrastructure for the DAB service, and so eliminates the chicken and egg syndrome. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jun 24 11:38:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31722 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 18:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 18:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 18:37:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 18:37:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:37:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTB: Matrix processor, alive or dead. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EF84DCC.14817.F724A6@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 863 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.237 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Welton" wrote: > > They also have the manual for the Ariane on the website. Primarily > it was designed for FM, but the site I saw it installed in was AM, > and it does a nice job there This is most confusing, at least as I understand "matrix" processing. "Matrix" processing doesn't make sense to me for FM where the modulation on each channel is independent, where when you remove the modulation from one channel, you can't increase the modulation in the remaining channel, unlike the case with AM stereo where the modulation in the remaining channel can be increased when the other channel is quiet. Also because of these differences in the modulation limits, it doesn't make sense to me to use an FM processor on AM, or vice versa. Clarifications would be greatly appreciated? John From g_keighron@yahoo.ie Tue Jun 24 11:48:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: g_keighron@yahoo.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67671 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 18:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 18:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21510.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 18:48:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20030624184823.52014.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web21510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:48:23 BST Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:48:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Fwd: Germany dumps DAB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?G.=20Keighron?=" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138665970 X-Yahoo-Profile: g_keighron > The second approach is as with digital television in the US, where > the analog transmitters will be turned off at a specific date by > government decree. The U.K. is now claiming that their transition from analogue to digital television will take 25 years before all analogue TV can finally be discontinued. The USA's claim of being able to do this within 3 years (with the 2006 cut-off date) is therefore extremely unrealistic, considering the much greater number of analogue TV stations and receivers in use. Think of it this way... in the 1940s, we thought we'd be driving atomic- powered cars by the 1960s. And in the 1960s, we thought we'd be driving flying cars by the 1980s. Today, we think that in the near future, all radio and television -- and indeed, all audio and video recording media -- will be digital. But for better or worse, technology often moves slower than our imagination. Also, radio didn't replace newspapers, and TV didn't replace radio -- so I don't think digital will replace analog! ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From oscar@globility.com Tue Jun 24 11:57:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99398 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 18:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 18:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 18:57:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 18:57:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:57:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 918 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.193 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > It occurs to me that it would also be useful if the posted "air > checks" included the "GPS" coordinates of the receiving sites used. Sorry John, when a credible venue for testing offers their services for that purpose, as John P. did, I'd rather not presume upon them anything more than my own requirements. I'm hoping it will go downtown as well, but that's not my call. I'm sure your suggested procedure might serve to illustrate how reception in Chicago is for general purposes. Perhaps some day I will be able to have those test conducted by one of the statons. However, all I am interested in, at this juncture, is how well it receives AM-stereo for those of our customers that reside in Chicagoland. In other words, this is all about re-awakening listeners to AM-stereo which, I believe, is the purpose of this group. M.S. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 12:12:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78089 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 19:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 19:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 19:12:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 19:11:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:11:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <53B08BAC-A612-11D7-BDE7-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2002 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Speaking of KNX, I'm approx 110-120 miles away from the TX (I'm in El Cajon, CA). When I had a Select-A-Tenna, I was able to use that, a power pole that has a ground wire running down it, and an older Panasonic Shockwave to bring in KNX as strong as I could receive a directional 50,000-watt (ERP approx 300,000-watts) station 7 miles from me with the unaided radio. (I could tell by how many stations KNX/KCBQ (the station I compared it to, with which I could overload my front end using the S-A-T and power pole if I did it right) leaked away from the assigned channel) Speaking of sensitivity, could I get that kind of performance on a Fanfare FT-A100 with the built-in antenna minus the powerline noise? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > No, you say, "What is this FM you speak of?" > > I actually have a friend who NEVER listens to FM. Never. Listens to > KNX/Los Angeles whenever she has a radio on. > On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > >> What about getting one with an AM only tuner? > > > > The only AM-only radio for sale in the USA that I know of is the > > infamous Radio Shack "Flavoradio"... now available in any color you > > want as long as it's black, and sold as the "Optimus Pocket-Size AM > > Radio", for $6.99 a pop. Of course, the sales-droid will try to > > discourage you from buying one because it's AM-only, but if you say > > "It's for a project", that's the perfect excuse. > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ---------------------~--> > > Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important > > Questions. > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/CPMolB/TM > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ~-> > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 12:23:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65802 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 19:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 19:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 19:23:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 19:23:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:23:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <53B08BAC-A612-11D7-BDE7-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3957 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Oh... I see... Customer: Hi. Do you have any of those Flavorradios or Optimus Pocket-Size AM radios? Salesperson: Yes, we have a few, but I wouldn't recommend you get one. Customer: Why not? Can't it pick up stations here? Salesperson: Why, yes, but it only receives AM stations. It doesn't receive FM. Customer: What's this "FM" you speak of? Salesperson: Well, it's another radio broadcast band where there are a lot of music stations. Customer: Aren't there also a few music stations on AM? Salesperson: Yes, there's Radio Disney on 1240 and the nostalgia stations on 540 and 1360, and if you're in North County, the classical station on 1450, and also a few Spanish stations. But, the FM stations sound a lot better. Customer: How's that? Salesperson: The FM stations are much higher fidelity. The AM stations are muddy and sound like they're coming through a blanket or a tunnel directly in front of you, but the FM stations are much crisper and clearer, and surround you with sound. Customer: Do you have a tape player with a speaker I could play something for you on for a minute, please? *pulls a cassette out of pocket* Salesperson: Yes, I do. *takes the tape and puts it in a nearby single-speaker portable tape player* Customer: Could you put it in that one instead? *points to a bookshelf stereo system* Salesperson: Why, sure. *puts it in and turns it on* Hey!! That sounds awesome! *listens a while, then hears an AM Stereo station identification* (expletive!) I didn't know that was an AM Station. I could have sworn it was recorded off a CD! Customer: Actually, it was recorded off a Fanfare FT-A100 tuner, but unfortunately it costs somewhere around $2000 I think and I can't afford that. A friend of mine recorded it for me. Salesperson: Oh. So you want a radio on which AM sounds nice like that? Customer: If you have one, yes, please. Salesperson: Well, the Flavorradio doesn't have that AM Stereo feature, but I think we might have something that does. One moment, please... *runs in back for a minute and returns with a Sony SRF-42 in a box that had been starting to collect a little bit of dust* Yes, we do have something. It won't be quite as high of a fidelity as the Fanfare tuner you mentioned, and it doesn't have a built-in speaker like the Flavorradio, but at only $29.99, it's a much better price than the Fanfare, and it still sounds way better than a Flavorradio. Would you like to try it out? *offers customer a pair of headphones* Customer: *takes headphones* Sure. Thanks. *turns the radio on and tunes to a station and listens for a minute*. Hey! This sounds nice. Yes, I'll buy it. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > No, you say, "What is this FM you speak of?" > > I actually have a friend who NEVER listens to FM. Never. Listens to > KNX/Los Angeles whenever she has a radio on. > On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > >> What about getting one with an AM only tuner? > > > > The only AM-only radio for sale in the USA that I know of is the > > infamous Radio Shack "Flavoradio"... now available in any color you > > want as long as it's black, and sold as the "Optimus Pocket-Size AM > > Radio", for $6.99 a pop. Of course, the sales-droid will try to > > discourage you from buying one because it's AM-only, but if you say > > "It's for a project", that's the perfect excuse. > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ---------------------~--> > > Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important > > Questions. > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/CPMolB/TM > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ~-> > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Jun 24 15:05:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74607 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 22:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 22:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 22:05:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 22:05:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:05:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Germany dumps DAB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1018 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.59.156 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > > ** GERMANY. On Monday (April 14) the major commercial broadcasters > > of Saxonia, Radio PSR and Hit-Radio Antenne Sachsen, announced that > > they will discontinue their DAB services by the end of August, > > following the cessation of the sponsoring by the media authority > > SLM. In a common release both organizations state that they consider > > the situation of DAB as "hopeless and without prospects" and compare > > the 380,000,000 EUR of subsidies paid for DAB since 1987 with the > > 50,000 sets sold so far, and these 50,000 sets with the 240,000,000 > > analog FM radios existing in Germany. > I wish the UK had the same attitude and would do the same and conentrate on DRM, what a massive amount of money has been wasted. this given the chance would have much more potential I feel. To make use of existing freqs is a lot more ingenious From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Jun 24 15:09:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14875 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 22:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 22:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 22:09:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 22:09:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:09:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: KOIT sample Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 157 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.59.156 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Great sample though I would really like to hear the full uncut recording if there is one, is there ? This does deserve a higher bit rate than just 48k btw From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jun 24 15:17:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67119 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 22:17:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 22:17:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 22:17:34 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-68.skyweb.net [66.6.130.196]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h5OMLFXN089086 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:21:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3EF8CDEF.5A241DB0@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:17:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTB: Matrix processor, alive or dead. References: <3EF84DCC.14817.F724A6@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 They have the Ariane units at WBBR Bloomberg Radio in NY.. which I believe is running Nautel transmitters very nice..... Neal Jeff Welton wrote: > > I'm on the lookout for a true matrix AMS processor. I'm aware of the > > Orban 9100 also CRL I believe produce a unit. Not sure of any others? > > Philip: > > You might want to also consider the Ariane, by TransLanTech. It's a relatively > new product (I saw my first one about two years ago), but has some pretty cool > features. If you're looking for used, you probably won't find one and I don't > know what the price was (last time I was talking to Jim Huste, he was > ballparking around $3000.00). Website is at: > > http://www.translantech.com/index.html > > They also have the manual for the Ariane on the website. Primarily it was > designed for FM, but the site I saw it installed in was AM, and it does a nice > job there - although you may need additional processing on the output side if > you are looking for any significant amount of asymmetry. > > Regards, > > Jeff Welton > Nautel Customer Service Dept. > Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 > Fax: 1-902-823-3183 > email: jwelton@nautel.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Tue Jun 24 15:26:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38654 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 22:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 22:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.172) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 22:26:48 -0000 Received: from user-3492.wfd17.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.77.164] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19UwFT-0001tY-LX for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:26:47 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:25:21 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AMS Processors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Possum Hunter and Kevin, Thank you both for your feedback. The UK Orban/CRL distributor has an Amigo in stock which they have offered to me but I really cannot go that rich at present. I would like to carry out some experiments with C-Quam generator and a nice processor here in the UK. I can then try and persuade our radio authority to let me install a licensed LPAM system at one of the university stations. I am not expecting a yes, go ahead answer but I'd like to trey! All of you please keep your ears open for any inexpensive used AMS transmission equipment. I can arrange for DHL to collect on my account. Thanks again. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From mauricio_molano@latinmail.com Tue Jun 24 16:28:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mauricio_molano@latinmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31098 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 23:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 23:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 23:28:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 23:28:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:28:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Is trhe Aiwa CR-DS805 AMAX ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 434 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "mmolano2000" X-Originating-IP: 80.58.16.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113072962 X-Yahoo-Profile: mmolano2000 > However, a while back somebody posted a link to a web site that's > selling newer Sony AM Stereo radios imported from Japan, at > reasonable prices (under $100 for a brand new one) -- with both > pocket-size "walkman" and larger "mini-boombox" models available. > Does anybody have this link on hand? I have the Sony SRF-A300... follow this link: http://www.audiocubes.com/index.php?cPath=71_65 M.Molano Salamanca Spain. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Jun 24 16:37:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37070 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 23:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 23:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 23:37:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 23:37:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:37:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS Processors Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 674 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.63.46 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Possum Hunter and Kevin, > > Thank you both for your feedback. > > The UK Orban/CRL distributor has an Amigo in stock which they have > offered to me but I really cannot go that rich at present. > > I would like to carry out some experiments with C-Quam generator and a > nice processor here in the UK. I can then try and persuade our radio > authority to let me install a licensed LPAM system at one of the > university stations. I am not expecting a yes, go ahead answer but I'd > like to trey! > LOL! Please quote what reply you get if any, should make amsuing reading! From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 16:46:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5499 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 23:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 23:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 23:46:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 23:46:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:46:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Germany dumps DAB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030624184823.52014.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 881 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.222 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "G. Keighron" wrote: =snip= > than our imagination. Also, radio didn't replace newspapers, and TV > didn't replace radio -- so I don't think digital will replace analog! Certainly not replaced, in any case. Shifted around, priorities changing, but never truly replaced. If you read a newspaper this morning, you were reading something that was supposedly rendered obsolete almost a century ago. Yet today, newspapers like USA Today, New York Times, New York Post, and Wall Street Journal, all command at least a circulation of 1 million, daily. And America is one of the WEAKER re3aderships in the world, where in a number of countries, papers of circulations exceeding 1 million are far more common. (Japan comes to mind where the top 6 dailies all have circulations over 10 million, EACH.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From e92fmjamz@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 16:56:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: e92fmjamz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88887 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 23:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 23:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14003.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.94) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 23:56:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20030624235606.13582.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.6.34.138] by web14003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:56:06 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} looking for mp3 CD player.... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ernest Jones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24963319 X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz > Anyone know of a GOOD mp3 CD player with specs like > that for < $150? > NO! --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > Hi. I'm on the lookout for a good rugged mp3 CD > player in the $100 to > $150 range. I would like an AM/FM tuner, ID3 > tagging, and other stuff: > controls -- radio presets - numbered buttons, not > "up/down" preset > buttons, > not the kind of stop/play/ff/rew that the Sony > DC-NS921F has, but > pushbutton controls like you find on a Panasonic > RQ-SW88/99 cassette > player or something like that > > radio: minimum of... > > FM Section > Sensitivity-usable(mono) : 10.5dBf (3.5µv) > Sensitivity-usable(stereo):11.5dBf (3.75µv) > Sensitivity-50dB quieting(mono): 15dbf (5.6µv) > Sensitivity-50dB quieting(stereo): 31dBf (35.5µv) > Stereo Separation (1KHz): >45dB; > Audio freq. response (±1.5dB): 20Hz - 15KHz; > Alternate/Adjacent Channel Selectivity - > wide/narrow: whatever it > takes to get a weak station on 105.1 when I have a > strong one on 105.3 > for example > Tuning range(50/100/200KHz steps): 87.5 - 108.5MHz > > AM Section > Sensitivity-useable -10dBf(mono) - 40dBf(stereo) > Selectivity (Wide) - 25dB (Narrow) - 35dB or, > whatever it takes to > get a weak signal 200 miles away out from under a > strong one 7 miles > away that's 10KHz away from tuned frequency > (willing to make > sacrifice in wide mode) > Image Rejection - 35dB Signal/Noise Ratio (SNR) - > 55dB > Audio Response - narrow - 40Hz - >8KHz, Wide - > 16Hz - 15KHz approx > Stereo Separation - 35dB Audio Bandwidth >10KHz > > > Anyone know of a GOOD mp3 CD player with specs like > that for < $150? > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 16:58:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24611 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 23:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 23:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 23:58:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2003 23:58:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:58:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 626 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.222 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Speaking of sensitivity, could I get that kind of performance on a > Fanfare FT-A100 with the built-in antenna minus the powerline noise? I would sincerely hope Marv's tuner does NOT rely on a lowly internal ferrite antenna! While these things serve their purpose, such a tuner is best served by a movable external antenna or lo9ng wire or some such. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (I can get KNX fairly well at night here- Not strong, but stable & clear. Considering Marv's tastes, he'd like KNX's old-time radio programs at night. :) ) From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Jun 24 16:59:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64094 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2003 23:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2003 23:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 23:59:57 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com ([192.85.216.78]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5ONxuD09055 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:59:56 +1000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5ONxs625257 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:59:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5ONxrA25239 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:59:53 +1000 (EST) Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:59:53 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F4703F@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} looking for mp3 CD player.... Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:59:52 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 How about an SRF-42 strapped to the back of the CD player with a rubber band?! -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Jones [mailto:e92fmjamz@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2003 9:56 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} looking for mp3 CD player.... > Anyone know of a GOOD mp3 CD player with specs like > that for < $150? > NO! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 18:28:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11564 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 01:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 01:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 01:28:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 01:27:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:27:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "AM" vs. "FM" audio processors Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2615 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Also because of these differences in the modulation limits, it > doesn't make sense to me to use an FM processor on AM, or vice > versa. It is possible to use an "FM" audio processor on an AM transmitter. You just won't get the benefits of asymmetrical modulation (as FM cannot exceed 100% modulation, whereas AM can modulate up to 125% on positive peaks) and matrix processing (so it will be a strictly discrete-channel processor, with the dreaded "loss of loudness" for mono listeners during songs with extreme stereo separation). You would also need an external unit to provide the necessary 10 kHz NRSC audio filtering. The pre-emphasis curve would also be an issue, but as long as NRSC filtering is provided, that wouldn't be a problem for a mono station since no exact pre-emphasis curve is required for mono AM stations (unlike AM Stereo stations which must abide by the NRSC "modified 75 uS" curve). But, it *is* possible... for example, I've been told that 700 WLW uses an Omnia *FM* audio processor. On the other hand, using an AM Stereo processor with FM is more tricky. You'd have to disable the asymmetrical modulation (older units simply had a switch on the front panel to select between 100%, 110%, and 125% for positive peaks), and find some way to disable the matrix processing, if possible. You could leave it enabled, as a sort of "enhanced stereo" effect like some FM stations use to make themselves sound distinctive, but that would cause a loss of loudness for both mono and stereo listeners. And again, the NRSC filtering and pre-emphasis curve would need adjustment; on more sophisticated AM Stereo processors like the Optimod 9100, the pre-emphasis could be adjusted to come close to the FM curve, but the audio filtering would be an issue; I think Orban has a 12 kHz filter for the Optimod 9100 (which is apparently what the Japanese AM Stereo stations use), but I don't think they offer a 15 kHz filter, so you'd fall short of the typical "15 kHz" FM audio response. In either case, the result wouldn't be as "loud" or as "clean" as that of an audio processor designed for the proper band, but with some tinkering, it definitely would be possible. The only exception would be FM processors which are designed with a built-in MPX Stereo generator, such as the original Optimod 8000, in which case such a unit could not be used with an AM transmitter, at least without significant modification. Of course, so far we've ignored *TV* audio processors, which behave similarly to "FM" units, but have their own set of peculiarities to deal with. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 18:37:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54888 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 01:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 01:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 01:37:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 01:37:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:37:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 777 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Customer: Hi. Do you have any of those Flavorradios or Optimus > Pocket-Size AM radios? {snip} You may joke, but I have heard of one Radio Shack salesman who played a Sony SRF-42 though the speakers of his store, tuned to a local AM Stereo music station, and used that to help sell the radio. He claimed he sold *thousands* of SRF-42's during his few years of employment at the store. Radio Shack also continues to sell their "Superadio clone" Optimus radio, and although not Stereo (on either AM or FM), it would sound excellent when set up in the store and tuned to a local AM station in Wide bandwidth mode, and would definitely be an attraction for customers who are looking for an inexpensive radio with very good AM reception and excellent AM sound quality. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 18:51:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87226 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 01:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 01:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 01:51:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 01:51:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:51:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Germany dumps DAB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1167 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If you read a newspaper this morning, you were reading something > that was supposedly rendered obsolete almost a century ago. Also... weren't computerized robots supposed to replace all manual labor, and weren't e-mail and the Internet supposed to replace all printed communication? Certainly, old-fashioned letter writing may have decreased in favor of e-mails, but as someone who works in a Real Estate office, I am surrounded by paper every day... every property we sell still has a huge "file" of paperwork to be stored in huge filing cabinets, and we send and receive tons of faxes every day.... and this is AFTER we implemented a computerized system to help cut down on needless paperwork! Anyway, back to the original point... I think Eureka-147 DAB has passed the point of being just a "novelty". Growth has not been as explosive as anticipated, but you could say the same exact thing about satellite radio -- indeed, every few weeks it seems there's another story of how Sirius or XM are in financial trouble and aren't attracting as many customers as planned. But yet, I don't think any of these services will disappear any time soon. From spfleck@citlink.net Tue Jun 24 19:02:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spfleck@citlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32616 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 02:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 02:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) (66.133.131.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 02:02:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 1451 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 02:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO steve) ([209.63.51.6]) (envelope-sender ) by relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.6) with SMTP for ; 25 Jun 2003 02:02:14 -0000 Message-ID: <007001c33abd$c9aa0a60$01c8a8c0@n2ubp.net> To: References: <1056505908.1702.87237.m13@yahoogroups.com> Subject: 710 sued by 740 ? Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:02:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Steve Fleckenstein" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2988995 X-Yahoo-Profile: n2ubp Maybe I should come out of my closet more often and I haven't been following this group too closely of late.. but I heard that 740 AM on Long Island has a lawsuit against WOR for IBOC noise affecting the 740 signal ? Any truth to this ? Just a passing conversation on a local 2 meter ham radio repeater. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 19:19:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90240 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 02:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 02:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 02:19:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 02:19:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:19:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Germany dumps DAB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1875 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.222 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > If you read a newspaper this morning, you were reading something > > that was supposedly rendered obsolete almost a century ago. >=20 > Also... weren't computerized robots supposed to replace all manual=20 > labor, and weren't e-mail and the Internet supposed to replace all=20 > printed communication? Certainly, old-fashioned letter writing may=20 Correct on both counts. In fact, the robot predictions date from the=20 late 1920s! Y'know, the ONLY thing I can think of that has been successfully=20 rendered obsolete are horse-drawn carriages, which are today a quaint=20 notion for tourists than anything practical (but don't tell the Amish=20 that- They won't have any of that!) =20 > Anyway, back to the original point... I think Eureka-147 DAB has=20 > passed the point of being just a "novelty". Growth has not been as=20 > explosive as anticipated, but you could say the same exact thing=20 > about satellite radio -- indeed, every few weeks it seems there's=20 > another story of how Sirius or XM are in financial trouble and=20 aren't=20 > attracting as many customers as planned. But yet, I don't think=20 any=20 > of these services will disappear any time soon. E147 DAB is far from dead-- Earlier this year, the UK surpassed 1=20 million DAB receivers. I would say in Germany, it's just a glitch=20 that these services dropped from their respective DAB ensembles. It=20 WILL be a while before it catches on in many places, but it is very=20 much dependent on how much publicity DAB broadcasters, manufacturers=20 and retailers put into it. In the UK, DAB awareness is quite high,=20 and sub-=A3100 (before sale) radios are becoming more common. (Germany has 50,000 DAB receivers total? Psion's WaveFinder PC-DAB=20 receiver had that many -alone-, but it's been essentially=20 discontinued since last year.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bd6xray@lycos.com Tue Jun 24 19:46:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bd6xray@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22623 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 02:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 02:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 02:46:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 02:46:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:46:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: analog interference cancellation Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1939 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bd6xray" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83174981 X-Yahoo-Profile: bd6xray It's not an unusual method. Timewave Technology produces an "Antenna Noise Canceller and Diversity Combiner". http://www.timewave.com/anc4.html Useful from 500 kHz to 80 MHz. It's in the current AES catalog, p. 88. Al Hajny --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > An analogue way of dealing with interference etc. - interesting! > > > > > > One very old method is to take two radios, tune one to the desired > > station, and tune another to a nearby blank spot on the dial. Then, > > take the audio output of the "blank channel" receiver and combine it > > with the main receiver's audio, *out-of-phase*. That way, since > > both are so close in frequency, both receivers will pick up the same > > noise and static (lightning crashes, etc.), however, the inverted > > phase of the "blank channel" receiver will effectively *cancel out* > > this noise when combined with the main receiver's audio. Of course, > > on today's crowded AM band, a nearby blank channel may be hard to > > find, but this method should work well on Longwave or Shortwave. > > > If you do this you are going to take a 3 dB hit to the signal to noise > ratio right up front. This technique will increase the "noisy" noise > by 3 dB without changing the signal level. It may be able to cancel > "lightning crashes" to some extent, as well as additive type power > line buzz, and other similar noise sources that are coherent across > the band, but I suspect this is not easy to do in reality, and you > couldn't use just any two radios, they would have to be identical to > have any hope of making it work at all. And for all this trouble you > take a continuous 3 dB hit in signal to noise ratio. I suspect that > this idea is largely an Urban Legend, based on a small grain of truth. > > John From dougharding@mindspring.com Tue Jun 24 19:53:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34625 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 02:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 02:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 02:53:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 02:53:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:53:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fanfare internal AM antenna Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 791 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.229.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > > Speaking of sensitivity, could I get that kind of performance on a > > Fanfare FT-A100 with the built-in antenna minus the powerline noise? > > I would sincerely hope Marv's tuner does NOT rely on a lowly internal > ferrite antenna! While these things serve their purpose, such a tuner > is best served by a movable external antenna or lo9ng wire or some > such. :) As far as I know my Fanfare FTA-100s do not have any internal AM antenna. They have a coax jack on the back for the AM and one for the FM. I could not receive anything until I hooked up a radio shack loop. Then I was able to receive everything. From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 20:07:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78034 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 03:07:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 03:07:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 03:07:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 03:07:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:07:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ariane Audio Processor Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 145 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "RJSKADL" X-Originating-IP: 24.187.99.188 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl The Ariane is a Multiband AGC only. You would still need to put an Optimod 9100, Amigo AM, or Omnia 3-AM after it for AM Stereo broadcasting. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 20:19:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88379 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 03:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 03:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 03:19:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 03:19:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:19:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fanfare internal AM antenna Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1120 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.222 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > > wrote: > > > > > Speaking of sensitivity, could I get that kind of performance on a > > > Fanfare FT-A100 with the built-in antenna minus the powerline noise? > > > > I would sincerely hope Marv's tuner does NOT rely on a lowly internal > > ferrite antenna! While these things serve their purpose, such a tuner > > is best served by a movable external antenna or lo9ng wire or some > > such. :) > > As far as I know my Fanfare FTA-100s do not have any internal AM > antenna. They have a coax jack on the back for the AM and one for the > FM. I could not receive anything until I hooked up a radio shack loop. > Then I was able to receive everything. As it should be. :) Whether it's a loop or cheesy-looking "military"- style directional antenna, it's far better than having a ferrite rod you can't move. Plus marks to Marv for that. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jun 24 20:52:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93827 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 03:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 03:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 03:52:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 03:52:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:52:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fanfare internal AM antenna Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 585 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > As it should be. :) Whether it's a loop or cheesy-looking > "military"- style directional antenna, it's far better than having a > ferrite rod you can't move. Where is it written that ferrite rod antennas can't be moved? Plenty of German MW radios from the vacuum tube days used to have a knob on the front panel that oriented a built in ferrite rod antenna through a bevel gear mechanism. But that sort of mechanics probably adds too much to the cost, so we rarely see it used these days. John From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Jun 24 20:59:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40295 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 03:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 03:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 03:59:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:59:04 -0700 Received: from 172.148.161.191 by bay7-dav29.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:59:04 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20030624154228.58023.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: Germany dumps DAB Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:11:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2003 03:59:04.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E6C3DB0:01C33ACE] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.148.161.191] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: > It seems digital radio isn't doing so well in Germany... I wonder if they will keep DRM on Medium Wave? Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Jun 24 20:59:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98697 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 03:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 03:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 03:59:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:59:06 -0700 Received: from 172.148.161.191 by bay7-dav31.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:59:06 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:18:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2003 03:59:06.0422 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F97C560:01C33ACE] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.148.161.191] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Mr.M S wrote: >And the clerk is often far from being the expert on parts use It is pretty bad that NOBODY working at a place called "Radio Shack" knows ANYTHING about radio! Want to have some fun? ask the sales guy to explain the differences and pros and cons of the Grundig Short-wave radios they sell! LOL > >However, when I arrive at the cash, I see that dumb disclaimer about asking for what amounts to be your life history in filling out the invoice. My standard answer for all stores asking for information is "My best friends just call me "Cash"." Now, Radio Shack is running ads stating they no longer collect personal information. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Jun 24 20:59:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38919 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 03:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 03:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 03:59:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:59:10 -0700 Received: from 172.148.161.191 by bay7-dav4.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:59:09 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTB: Matrix processor, alive or dead. Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:25:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2003 03:59:10.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[21DF1D50:01C33ACE] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.148.161.191] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 bta_50g wrote: > Also because of these differences in the modulation limits, it doesn't make sense to me to use an FM processor on AM, or vice versa. WLW 700 is on the air with an Omnia FM processor. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Jun 24 20:59:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17024 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 03:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 03:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.115) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 03:59:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:59:17 -0700 Received: from 172.148.161.191 by bay7-dav11.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:59:17 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMS Processors Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:37:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2003 03:59:17.0813 (UTC) FILETIME=[2661E650:01C33ACE] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.148.161.191] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Dave wrote: > LOL! Please quote what reply you get if any, should make amsuing reading! Hope you enjoyed it! Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Jun 24 20:59:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40844 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 03:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 03:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 03:59:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:59:21 -0700 Received: from 172.148.161.191 by bay7-dav24.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:59:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: analog interference cancellation Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:46:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2003 03:59:21.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[28B720F0:01C33ACE] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.148.161.191] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 bta_50g wrote: > And for all this trouble you take a continuous 3 dB hit in signal to noise ratio. I suspect that this idea is largely an Urban Legend, based on a small grain of truth. RCA Console radios in the 1930's used a cancellation circuit to reduce interference from lightning crashes. It worked pretty good, but was a bear to keep adjusted right! Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 21:10:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6317 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 04:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 04:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 04:10:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 04:10:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:10:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: Germany dumps DAB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 317 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.222 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Kevin T. wrote: > > It seems digital radio isn't doing so well in Germany... > > I wonder if they will keep DRM on Medium Wave? Commercially unproven. That may be a few3 years yet before they dump or embrace it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 21:16:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68135 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 04:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 04:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 04:16:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 04:16:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:16:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 573 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.222 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Mr.M S wrote: > >And the clerk is often far from being the expert on parts use > > It is pretty bad that NOBODY working at a place called "Radio Shack" knows > ANYTHING about radio! That, sadly, is deliberate. They INTENTIONALLY hire kids with no radio/electronics knowledge because they don't want to bother with dealing with electronics hobbyists, or anyone with any prior knowledge. And yes, I really do blame Radio Shack for destroying the electronics hobby. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 22:40:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82344 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 05:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 05:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 05:40:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 05:40:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 05:40:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1137 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.16.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: > > Mr.M S wrote: > > >And the clerk is often far from being the expert on parts use > > > > It is pretty bad that NOBODY working at a place called "Radio > Shack" knows > > ANYTHING about radio! > > That, sadly, is deliberate. They INTENTIONALLY hire kids with no > radio/electronics knowledge because they don't want to bother with > dealing with electronics hobbyists, or anyone with any prior > knowledge. > > And yes, I really do blame Radio Shack for destroying the electronics > hobby. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ My favorite Radio Shack story takes place when I was getting a couple of things for the shop I work for. The computers were down, and the kid behind the counter had to write the ticket. I should have smelled trouble then and there when he was having problems figuring tax (something I do all the time, we use no cash register). Then he asked for the name of the business, Electronic Wizards. Then he asked me, "How do you spell 'electronic?'" From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Jun 25 04:40:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70549 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 11:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 11:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 11:40:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 11:40:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:40:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fanfare internal AM antenna Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1067 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking As well, plenty of 70s and 80s era home tuners and receivers used a ferrite bar on a pivot on the back. Give me a good ferrite bar any day over a piece of plastic with a few feet of wire around it. Of course, the SAT is a piece of ABS with a few feet of wire inside it and a tuning cap, and it works great - especially on radios with small ferrite bar antennas. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > > > As it should be. :) Whether it's a loop or cheesy-looking > > "military"- style directional antenna, it's far better than having a > > ferrite rod you can't move. > > > Where is it written that ferrite rod antennas can't be moved? Plenty > of German MW radios from the vacuum tube days used to have a knob on > the front panel that oriented a built in ferrite rod antenna through a > bevel gear mechanism. But that sort of mechanics probably adds too > much to the cost, so we rarely see it used these days. > > John From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 06:18:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32880 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 13:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 13:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 13:17:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20030625131705.63899.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:17:05 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fanfare is top-notch To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio 'Amy' wrote: "I would sincerely hope Marv's tuner does NOT rely on a lowly internal ferrite antenna!" Of course not! I found just about everything regarding the the Fanfare FTA-100 tuner to be top-notched, including the 'gorilla-proof' shipping container, the transferrable warranty, remote control, and the nearly bullet-proof enclosure that houses the fine tuner electronics. There are two gold-plated 'F' connectors on the rear of the tuner, one connector for AM and one connector for FM in addition to 2-pair of the nicest 'RCA' phono connectors on planet Earth, with both HI and LOW level outputs, plus, balanced audio outputs with 2 Canon connectors. I had excellent performance with the RS loop antenna, and an earth ground connection. A high-mounted whip antenna works even better. You won't find a better AM stereo tuner today, (plus this is the best FM tuner ever made - period - but who listens to that band anyhow except to test how well the tuner works?) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 06:22:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61794 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 13:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 13:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 13:22:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20030625132255.64824.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:22:55 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: In Reply to Doubting Thomas... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The Fanfare test location was 81 miles/130km West Southwest of the CFCO transmitter location, and CFCO is located 81 miles/130km East-Northeast of the Fanfare tuner test location, based on the coordinates listed for their transmitter by Radio-Locator. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jun 25 06:50:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50960 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 13:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 13:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 13:50:41 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:50:41 -0600 Message-ID: <001a01c33b20$c4427db0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOIT sample Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:50:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hear that Dave. I wish I could have the full version myself. That would be nice. I have a copy of this one too. These were some of the first AMS airchecks I downloaded. I believe they were put together by Gene in SoCal back in the 80s and he uploaded them to his Geocities site. I don't know if he has the originals on cassette tape....probably so. But maybe even the originals are scoped. He would be the only one that could tell us. And I haven't seen hide nor hair of Gene in quite some time. So I don't know where he went. Amy, any clue on that one? Seems like we haven't heard from Gene since the demise of the old NRCDXAS list. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 4:09 PM Subject: {AMSF} KOIT sample Great sample though I would really like to hear the full uncut recording if there is one, is there ? This does deserve a higher bit rate than just 48k btw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From atv69nj@yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 08:03:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: atv69nj@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97845 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 15:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 15:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 15:03:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 15:02:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:02:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 710 sued by 740 ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007001c33abd$c9aa0a60$01c8a8c0@n2ubp.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "atv69nj" X-Originating-IP: 208.33.57.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127038768 X-Yahoo-Profile: atv69nj --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Fleckenstein" wrote: > Maybe I should come out of my closet more often and I haven't been following > this group too closely of late.. > > but I heard that 740 AM on Long Island has a lawsuit against WOR for IBOC > noise affecting the 740 signal ? > > Any truth to this ? Just a passing conversation on a local 2 meter ham > radio repeater. what 2m repeater did you hear this activity? From oscar@globility.com Wed Jun 25 09:13:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18494 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 16:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 16:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO darius.pce.net) (208.49.24.11) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 16:13:26 -0000 Received: from hal-2 (as2-buf-25-094.wnysurf.net [208.49.25.94]) by darius.pce.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07865 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200306251222070930.00ADA2D5@mail.pce.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.02.00 (3) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:22:07 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Marv Southcott" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all for coming to the aid of the cause. Although I gather by the string that started all this there was an assumption that the FTA-100 utilizes a ferrite core. I guess we all know now that it doesn't. In fact, the user has to attach something to the terminal in order to redeceive a signal. How well an antenna will work is covered in part in the manual. I also have intentions of doing a page on AM and AM-stereo which will feature links to antenna designs and various other information resources. As for the usefulness of a ferrite loop, I have one on the rear apron of my Heath AR1500 receiver. It also has a little bit of orientation adjustment. Incidentally, the case is full aluminum. In fact, it's FM is the best I've ever heard, save the Fanfare. The AM, unfortunately began oscillating (motorboating) and they made a major mod to it that left it "offshore" ;-(( M.S. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/24/03 at 11:58 PM amymousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Speaking of sensitivity, could I get that kind of performance on a > Fanfare FT-A100 with the built-in antenna minus the powerline noise? I would sincerely hope Marv's tuner does NOT rely on a lowly internal ferrite antenna! While these things serve their purpose, such a tuner is best served by a movable external antenna or lo9ng wire or some such. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (I can get KNX fairly well at night here- Not strong, but stable & clear. Considering Marv's tastes, he'd like KNX's old-time radio programs at night. :) ) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Wed Jun 25 09:30:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39732 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 16:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 16:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 16:30:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 16:30:25 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81295 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 16:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 16:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 16:06:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 16:06:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:06:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 710 sued by 740 ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007001c33abd$c9aa0a60$01c8a8c0@n2ubp.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 554 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.185.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 25 Jun 2003 16:30:24 -0000 It's news to me. Where did you hear this? Thomas R. Ray, III Corporate Director of Engineering Buckley Broadcasting/WOR Radio New York City --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Fleckenstein" wrote: > Maybe I should come out of my closet more often and I haven't been following > this group too closely of late.. > > but I heard that 740 AM on Long Island has a lawsuit against WOR for IBOC > noise affecting the 740 signal ? > > Any truth to this ? Just a passing conversation on a local 2 meter ham > radio repeater. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 13:14:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81263 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 20:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 20:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 20:14:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 20:14:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:14:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Germany dumps DAB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 897 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 12.93.46.60 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > The third approach is the IBOC approach which allows using the > existing infrastructure for the DAB service, and so eliminates the > chicken and egg syndrome. And it's the WORST of both worlds. Destroyed analog listening. On AM, the analog sounds WORSE than a telephone call. WOR and WSAI sound NOTICEABLY **INFERIOR** even on the CC radio. And then the 1st adjacents on MW are just totally destroyed for up to thousands of miles. For FM the 2 adjacents are screwed up, and search functions on analog cars are rendered useless. For the digital part, both the MW and VHF IBOC signals are SIGNIFICANTLY compromised until the analog is turned off, and then well will anyone be around to have a service with frequency response almost as good as the replaced analog service, and a much less coverage area? Powell From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jun 25 13:58:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65902 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 20:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 20:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 20:58:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 20:58:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:58:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fanfare is top-notch Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030625131705.63899.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 848 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.182 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > (plus this is the best FM tuner ever made - period - but who > listens to that band anyhow except to test how well the tuner > works?) Don't you think it is a little over the top to call it "the best FM tuner ever made - period". Although it's probably not without its flaws, I could easily believe it is the best AM stereo tuner ever made, but in the FM category it is going up against some pretty tough competition for the "best ever" awards, although it's probably in the running in terms of FM tuners that are in current production. A generally complimentary review can be found at the following URL, but it seems to indicate that it is not at the very pinnacle, among the "all time best". http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/reviewsA-N.html#fanfare John From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jun 25 14:03:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36392 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 21:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 21:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 21:03:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2003 21:03:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:03:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: In Reply to Doubting Thomas... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030625132255.64824.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2156 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.182 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g I assume I am the "Doubting Thomas" you are referring to, as I was the one who commented that it would be nice to have the "GPS" coordinates for all the "air check" locations. I would like to point out that my comment was not addressed specifically to the Fanfare "tests", but was in response to all the "air checks" posted in the "files" area, including especially the mentions of IBOC interference, I merely took the opportunity my comment on Marv's search for a WGN test site in the Chicago area gave me to make my comment on "air check" receiver coordinates. Speaking of my comments on Marv's seeking a WGN test location in the Chicago area, I was simply wondering why he was limiting himself to picking a location to the north of Chicago, and while he didn't come right out and say it in his response, I now assume the reason he was limiting himself to that area was because he was not actually looking for a test location as I had first assumed, but presumably had already selected a location in that area he mentioned, which wasn't made clear in either the original message, or in the follow-up, although the weight of both together would seem to indicate that he was talking about an already defined test location. The selected location is within 20 miles of WGN's 50 kW "clear channel" transmitter, so it isn't really going to demonstrate much about the signal to noise ratio performance. More interesting from an RF performance standpoint would be the performance to the west, or northwest, of the city, where its RF front end would be stressed in ways that most people don't worry about, ways that in addition to being a serious problem for a minority of listeners, may also account for many of the unexplained "IBOC hash" problems that have been reported by some. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > The Fanfare test location was 81 miles/130km West Southwest of the > CFCO transmitter location, and CFCO is located 81 miles/130km East- > Northeast of the Fanfare tuner test location, based on the > coordinates listed for their transmitter by Radio-Locator. > From e92fmjamz@yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 15:06:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: e92fmjamz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57665 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 22:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 22:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14008.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.124) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 22:06:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20030625220610.44672.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.6.34.115] by web14008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:06:10 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ernest Jones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24963319 X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz ). Then he > asked for the name of the business, Electronic > Wizards. Then he asked > me, "How do you spell 'electronic?'" > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....poor guy, the folks at radio $hack are complete idiots, but thats well known now. back to the topic at hand, and to add my 2 cents worth, I own a mp3/cd player for the car, Jensen MP3510, the mp3 side is great...does what I want, which is play mp3 files, of CD-R or RW's, CD wise - if the CD isn't clean or if you go across a bumpy road, expect skipping, its garbage, AM/FM wise...also garbage my HU has jacks in the front for auxilary input, so one afternoon I put my GE SRIII in the car, hooked it up to the HU and had clean superior sound from local WGAI 560 - and I had more signal with the GE SRIII INSIDE the car, than what that pittiful jensen could do...if you want a decent mp3/cd player with possibly a decent reciever, look to pay nicely. --- radioka0rfb wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum > Hunter" > > wrote: > > > Mr.M S wrote: > > > >And the clerk is often far from being the > expert on parts use > > > > > > It is pretty bad that NOBODY working at a place > called "Radio > > Shack" knows > > > ANYTHING about radio! > > > > That, sadly, is deliberate. They INTENTIONALLY > hire kids with no > > radio/electronics knowledge because they don't > want to bother with > > dealing with electronics hobbyists, or anyone with > any prior > > knowledge. > > > > And yes, I really do blame Radio Shack for > destroying the > electronics > > hobby. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > My favorite Radio Shack story takes place when I > was getting a > couple of things for the shop I work for. The > computers were down, > and the kid behind the counter had to write the > ticket. I should have > smelled trouble then and there when he was having > problems figuring > tax (something I do all the time, we use no cash > register> > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From rwagoner1@mac.com Wed Jun 25 16:30:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44462 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 23:30:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2003 23:30:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2003 23:30:19 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030625233016.OGVZ20281.fed1mtao02.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:30:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:30:19 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fanfare is top-notch Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I don't know. My old Realtone transister portable did a darn good job ... On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 01:58 PM, bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: >> >> (plus this is the best FM tuner ever made - period - but who >> listens to that band anyhow except to test how well the tuner >> works?) > > > Don't you think it is a little over the top to call it "the best FM > tuner ever made - period". Although it's probably not without its > flaws, I could easily believe it is the best AM stereo tuner ever > made, but in the FM category it is going up against some pretty tough > competition for the "best ever" awards, although it's probably in the > running in terms of FM tuners that are in current production. > > A generally complimentary review can be found at the following URL, > but it seems to indicate that it is not at the very pinnacle, among > the "all time best". > > http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/reviewsA-N.html#fanfare > > John > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important > Questions. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jun 25 18:44:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97814 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2003 01:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2003 01:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2003 01:44:56 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-228.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.228]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5Q1ioQ0005336 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:44:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008b01c33b84$a29c9b00$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTB: Matrix processor, alive or dead. Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:45:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't think there were any others who made them. Scott Todd BTW, did that station in the US you were a part of ever get off the ground? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" > I'm on the lookout for a true matrix AMS processor. I'm aware of the > Orban 9100 also CRL I believe produce a unit. Not sure of any others? > Anything considered. W.H.Y.? > -- From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jun 25 18:48:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48249 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2003 01:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2003 01:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2003 01:48:41 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-228.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.228]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5Q1mZQ0006557 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:48:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a101c33b85$28e82ee0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTB: Matrix processor, alive or dead. Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:49:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Those are stereo, but none of them are matrix. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > > Omnia 4.5AM, Omnia 3AM, and Kahn Good-N-Loud. > > If memory serves me right, Radio Design Labs made a Stereo 3 band compressor > in their "Stick-On" line that didn't sound too shabby. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jun 25 19:15:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58890 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2003 02:15:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2003 02:15:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2003 02:15:38 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-228.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.228]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5Q2FXQ0015281 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:15:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <014901c33b88$ed0ab9c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030624154228.58023.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: Germany dumps DAB Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:16:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You mean there's nobody to step in and say "You vill haf DAB und you VILL LIKE IT!!" ? :) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: {AMSF} Fwd: Germany dumps DAB > It seems digital radio isn't doing so well in Germany... > > ** GERMANY. On Monday (April 14) the major commercial broadcasters of > Saxonia, Radio PSR and Hit-Radio Antenne Sachsen, announced that they > will discontinue their DAB services by the end of August, following > the cessation of the sponsoring by the media authority SLM. In a > common release both organizations state that they consider the > situation of DAB as "hopeless and without prospects" and compare > the 380,000,000 EUR of subsidies paid for DAB since 1987 with the > 50,000 sets sold so far, and these 50,000 sets with the 240,000,000 > analog FM radios existing in Germany. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Jun 25 19:53:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13236 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2003 02:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2003 02:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.244.119) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2003 02:53:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:53:36 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav15.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 02:53:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Delta ASE-2 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:53:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2003 02:53:36.0374 (UTC) FILETIME=[2383C960:01C33B8E] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd hello, I have uploaded some files relevant to AM Stereo. Use them in good faith. Pdf Files uploaded to..... ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/ ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/DeltaASE2.pdf ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/AMSPerf.pdf ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/AppendixA.pdf This is all the info I have on the Delta ASE-2 AM Stereo Exciter. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis 88.3 FM Stereo 1610 AM Real Community Radio!!! From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Jun 25 20:14:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65262 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2003 03:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2003 03:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.244.119) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2003 03:14:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:14:36 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav15.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 03:14:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Delta ASE-2 ***Correction*** Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:14:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2003 03:14:36.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[12A9F210:01C33B91] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd hello, I have uploaded some files relevant to AM Stereo. Use them in good faith. Pdf Files uploaded to..... ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/ ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/DeltaASE2.pdf ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/AMSPerf.pdf ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/AppendixA2.pdf Admin Please Delete "AppendixA" as it is corrupt (bad upload) Leave "AppendixA2" Intact. Thank you, This is all the info I have on the Delta ASE-2 AM Stereo Exciter. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis 88.3 FM Stereo 1610 AM Real Community Radio!!! From oscar@globility.com Wed Jun 25 20:53:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16338 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2003 03:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2003 03:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2003 03:53:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2003 03:53:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 03:53:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fanfare internal AM antenna Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 208.49.25.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > Where is it written that ferrite rod antennas can't be moved? Plenty Sorry, but it appears I missed saying that the ferrite rod antenna mounted on the rear apron for the AR1500 had a horizontal cantilever bracket allowing you to move it horizontally out from the chassis and to turn the housing horizontally as well. M.S. From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 21:03:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39997 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2003 04:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2003 04:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2003 04:03:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2003 04:03:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:03:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Jensen Car Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030625220610.44672.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1144 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.16.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb =snip= > back to the topic at hand, and to add my 2 cents > worth, I own a mp3/cd player for the car, Jensen > MP3510, the mp3 side is great...does what I want, > which is play mp3 files, of CD-R or RW's, CD wise - if > the CD isn't clean or if you go across a bumpy road, > expect skipping, its garbage, AM/FM wise...also > garbage > > my HU has jacks in the front for auxilary input, so > one afternoon I put my GE SRIII in the car, hooked it > up to the HU and had clean superior sound from local > WGAI 560 - and I had more signal with the GE SRIII > INSIDE the car, than what that pittiful jensen could > do...if you want a decent mp3/cd player with possibly > a decent reciever, look to pay nicely. If you are having problems with sensitivity, especially on AM, you may consider the grounding of the set chassis. For some radios, making use of that strip bracket makes a great difference. In DC and some audio, ground is ground is ground. Not quite the case in the RF world. Or the HU is really that bad. However, if you do happen to improve on sensitivity, I'm sure the Superadio will still SOUND better than the in-dash. From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 21:12:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47684 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2003 04:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2003 04:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2003 04:12:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2003 04:12:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:12:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fanfare internal AM antenna Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1070 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.16.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > > Where is it written that ferrite rod antennas can't be moved? > Plenty > > Sorry, but it appears I missed saying that the ferrite rod antenna > mounted on the rear apron for the AR1500 had a horizontal cantilever > bracket allowing you to move it horizontally out from the chassis and > to turn the housing horizontally as well. > > M.S. Many of antennas on this gear came with a warning sign before the lawyers came along. "DO NOT USE THIS AM ANTENNA AS A HANDLE". Guess Pioneer, et al got tired of paying warranty claims on these early in the game. BTW, not to encourage the tweaks in us, but some of these have an adjustment in the end for setting the tracking and sensitivity at the low end of the band. Choose your impliment of destr- err adjustment carefully though. The Japanese tuners and receivers seem to use flat blade mostly, but my Sherwood S-2000 uses a hex adjustment like the IF's. From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jun 26 07:22:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38191 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2003 14:22:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2003 14:22:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2003 14:22:22 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:22:22 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c33bee$5baa5290$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delta ASE-2 ***Correction*** Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:22:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Rev. Chrysafis! Many many appreciations. I have a Delta AMS Exciter headed this way to me for testing....so this information will be extremely useful! For all intents and purposes, the files have been moved to a "Delta ASE-2 Exciter" folder inside the "circuits, schematics & diagrams" folder. I'm trying to get things a little more organized. I will probably make a folder called "japan" as well and move all of the japan airchecks into there. Michael n Wyo Admin-ftp.amstereoradio.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: {AMSF} Delta ASE-2 ***Correction*** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jun 26 08:24:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12164 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2003 15:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2003 15:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2003 15:23:52 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:23:52 -0600 Message-ID: <002901c33bf6$f38ec700$5401010a@AM> To: Subject: ftp update Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:23:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi gang Cleaned up the "uploads" folder on the FTP site and placed things appropriately. I did add another level so that it's not so confusing and a little more organized. All airchecks are in a folder called "airchecks". THEN from there there's "japan", "canada", "usa", and so forth. It's more organized this way. I like it this way because it's more organized. Things like the wor iboc demos and wsai and so forth have all been placed in a folder called "iboc". And demos of iboc hash and so forth will go there. John P's air check of CFCO from the Fanfare tuner is now in the airchecks/canada/ folder. The anonymous account works for uploading to the IBOC folder only. Should be able to download from any other folders ya want. Let me know how things work out and if you can or can't get to something you need to. Also noticed that a few days ago and last week, the name ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com wasn't resolving on my end. had to use the 209.193.77.58 IP address to get to the site. Don't know if this is still the case or if this is a problem that others have had. Enjoy and let me know if there's any problems. Michael n WYO admin - ftp.amstereoradio.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 26 09:04:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18663 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2003 15:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2003 15:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2003 15:51:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2003 15:51:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:51:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ftp update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002901c33bf6$f38ec700$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 308 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Michael, Make sure you set the permissions on the FTP server correctly. Regardless if I log into the "amstereo" account or access the server anonymously, I can't get to the "airchecks" folder. It doesn't even show up on the directory list, and if I type it in manually, it says "Permission Denied". From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jun 26 09:26:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42923 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2003 16:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2003 16:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2003 16:20:52 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:20:52 -0600 Message-ID: <004601c33bfe$e9acbe10$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ftp update Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:20:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about that folks. Okies. What I did was give "anonymous" and "amstereo" read access to the ftproot folder and all its subfolders. That way whenever I add any kind of folder, anyone should be able to see it and read from it. On both of those accounts, write permission is given for the "uploads" folder only. You can even create a folder in there if you like. And if you screw up an upload, you should be able to delete the screwed up file. I've given delete permission as well to the upload folder. I don't mind doing this but I'll have to take it away if someone goes in deleting someone else's uploads....that's not cool. Use cautiously. Should be all fixed. Let me know how it's working. Michael n WYO admin - ftp.amstereoradio.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:51 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: ftp update Michael, Make sure you set the permissions on the FTP server correctly. Regardless if I log into the "amstereo" account or access the server anonymously, I can't get to the "airchecks" folder. It doesn't even show up on the directory list, and if I type it in manually, it says "Permission Denied". Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From spfleck@citlink.net Thu Jun 26 09:46:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spfleck@citlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55587 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2003 16:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2003 16:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2003 16:46:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2003 16:46:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:46:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 710 sued by 740 ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 587 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Steve Fleckenstein" X-Originating-IP: 170.215.239.174 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2988995 X-Yahoo-Profile: n2ubp --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > It's news to me. Where did you hear this? > Just some background chatter on a unknown repeater within 75 miles of Orange County. I had my 2 meter ham rig on scan mode while at work and heard some chatter about it from unknown sources who sounded knowledgable. By the time I looked up at the radio the repeater had dropped carrier and my Yaesu resumed scanning so I don't know the exact frequency or repeater location. Could have been B.S. I don't know. That is why I asked the newsgroup about it . Steve From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Jun 26 16:05:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95407 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2003 23:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2003 23:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2003 23:05:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2003 23:05:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:05:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Trans-Atlantic reception via Sporadic E Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 564 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.62.221 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In bdxc-news@yahoogroups.com, Mark Hattam wrote: June 26, 2003 Today at 1950-2000 GMT, FM dx-er David Hamilton in Ayrshire, Scotland recorded CBTB-FM from Baie Verte, Newfoundland on 97.1 MHz via multi-hop Sporadic E propagation. There are two clips accessible via my website - http://www.dxradio.co.uk In particular, the fisheries broadcast in clip 1 is hosted by John Murphy http://stjohns.cbc.ca/fisheries/hosts.jsp This show goes out at 5.30 pm in Newfoundland, which in summer is 19:30 GMT Mark Hattam --- End forwarded message --- From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jun 26 17:35:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35372 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 00:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2003 00:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 00:35:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2003 00:35:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:35:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 301 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Just idle thinking to keep this group going, here... But I was thinking, I wonder if it's possible to use a simple QUAM design in a transmitter for C-QUAM reception, even though it may not be 100% compatible? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Thinking of simple AMS transmitter designs for different systems...) From amstereorules@msn.com Thu Jun 26 19:28:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59799 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 02:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2003 02:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 02:28:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2003 02:28:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 02:28:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 93 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >Just idle thinking to keep this group going, here... How about the list named after you? From amstereoforum@widgets.acme.com Thu Jun 26 20:13:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoforum@widgets.acme.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28535 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 03:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2003 03:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 03:13:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2003 03:13:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 03:13:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: eBay SRF-42's Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 83 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "megryan65000" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.52.187 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148564542 X-Yahoo-Profile: megryan65000 If you're keen to pay $60 for an SRF-42, eBay has two with the Buy-it-Now feature. From tomray@wor710.com Thu Jun 26 20:30:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69072 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 03:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2003 03:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 03:30:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2003 03:30:06 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88704 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 01:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2003 01:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 01:12:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2003 01:12:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:12:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 710 sued by 740 ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 775 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Jun 2003 03:30:06 -0000 Steve: Could have been BS? Definately BS. No truth to it whatsoever. TRay --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Fleckenstein" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > It's news to me. Where did you hear this? > > > > Just some background chatter on a unknown repeater within 75 miles of > Orange County. I had my 2 meter ham rig on scan mode while at work > and heard some chatter about it from unknown sources who sounded > knowledgable. By the time I looked up at the radio the repeater had > dropped carrier and my Yaesu resumed scanning so I don't know the > exact frequency or repeater location. Could have been B.S. I don't > know. That is why I asked the newsgroup about it . > > Steve From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Jun 26 20:37:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96111 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 03:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2003 03:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 03:37:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2003 03:37:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 03:37:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2645 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > Just idle thinking to keep this group going, here... But I was > thinking, I wonder if it's possible to use a simple QUAM design in a > transmitter for C-QUAM reception, even though it may not be 100% > compatible? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Thinking of simple AMS transmitter designs for different systems...) Actually there is an advantage in using C-QuAM in transmittion in maintaining PEP and L+R loudness during stereo transmittions. With QuAM the Q channel adds to the envelope an can increase it by 15% or so requiring the overall level of both the 1+L+R and L-R channels to be reduced to compensate for this. The simple approach would be to keep both channels at a reduced level with a loss in loudness for the envelope during mono transmittions. The other more complex way would to be to use a Level Devil on both the I & Q channels to limit the PEP during stereo transmittions. In a sense this is what C-QuAM does but has no attack and decay response like a typical compander, instead it remodulates both I & Q channels at frequencies throughout the whole audio spectrum. This is basically a form of peak compression that has a functional relationship to the angular modulation that can be corrected at the decoder where the peaks are expanded again. The shortfall of this is that maximum peak compression occurs during downward modulation and when the noise floor drops below a certain level cosine correction starts expanding the noise. This has been addressed in the later generation chips and basically shuts down cosine correction during noisy reception. At this point L-R is detected as regular QuAM but L+R is still envelope detected. I would have liked L+R to also be detected synchronously during these conditions also but it doesn't appera that the chips do this. As far as C-QuAM detected as QuAM or vise versa I think most people couldn't tell the difference on the majority music material unless there was a direct A/B test and then it would be slight difference. Actually the advantage in C-QuAM is in transmittion and QuAM for synchronous reception. Unless there is excessive platform motion the MC13020 chip running in QuAM mode gives the best performance in the presence of adjacent channel interference. It even has a capture effect during co-channel interference as the PLL captures the strongest signal and decodes it distortion free but not completely interference free. This has always been the advantage of synchronous over envelope detection as the envelope produces a mish mash of both signals with distortion byproducts. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 26 20:55:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90455 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 03:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2003 03:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 03:55:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2003 03:55:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 03:55:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 710 sued by 740 ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 777 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Could have been BS? Definately BS. No truth to it whatsoever. "BS" or not, the issue at hand is whether or not 740 WGSM is receiving interference from WOR's IBOC signal, within its own protected daytime coverage area. I don't have the exact maps on hand, but Radio-Locator's estimates show that WGSM does indeed throw out at least a 0.5 mV/m signal into Northeastern NJ -- the exact spot where WOR's transmitter is. And with the amount of "front end overload" I am recieving from WOR's IBOC signal 25 miles away, it surely is enough to potentially cause harm to the reception for anybody who happens to be listening to WGSM within that same distance radius -- even moreso towards New York City itself, where the majority of WOR's directional power is focused. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Fri Jun 27 01:05:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83417 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 08:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2003 08:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.174) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 08:05:02 -0000 Received: from user-1132.bbd21tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.228.108] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19VoE9-0000LW-Ea for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:05:01 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:03:32 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FAO: Scott re WLYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Scott, Scott said; BTW, did that station in the US you were a part of ever get off the ground? Yes, My two partners and I got WLYC, Williamsport, Pa back on the air (1Kw/38w non-DA) six or so months after it went dark. What we hadn't counted on was the cost of keeping it going to get it into profitability. To cut a long story short. She is still on the air under new ownership and climbing up the charts. I do believe it was in the top 300 market and Cindy, the current GM is doing OK. It's the only AM in town on a regional clear channel. I heard the station ID while driving up from SC at the 60 mile marker, she was listenable though from around 40. Not to bad for that old clunker of a TX. I had installed in the rack the donated Harris stereo exciter curtesy of WPCI but had not yet wired it up. I will be bringing that back to the UK on my next trip. We learned a lot from that exercise and all wish to go after another AM station but with more funding. Thanks for your interest. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Jun 27 08:52:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19971 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 15:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2003 15:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 15:52:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2003 15:52:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:52:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Possible radio for AM Stereo conversion??? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 373 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking This just might make a good rig to convert to an AM Stereo walkman radio. http://xtronics.com/kits/SK-232A.htm To have room for one of Chris Cuff's decoder boards, the built in speaker could be removed. Also, there would be the matter of having enough volts for the decoder. But, it does have a case, its a kit, and the price is right. Just a thought... Phil R. From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Jun 27 12:13:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21401 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 19:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2003 19:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 19:13:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2003 19:13:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:13:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1821 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > Just idle thinking to keep this group going, here... But I was > thinking, I wonder if it's possible to use a simple QUAM design in a > transmitter for C-QUAM reception, even though it may not be 100% > compatible? Sure, as long as you keep the single channel modulation down to reasonable levels, the distortion using C-Quam decoding to demodulate a QUAM signal, should be tolerable. A really simple QUAM transmitter could be built using to of the common transistor wireless broadcaster kits that are widely available. The two "transmitters would be feed from a common carrier frequency oscillator, but 90 degrees out of phase with each other. One transmitter would be feed with the left channel audio, and the other with the right channel audio. A suitable network would be used to combine the outputs of the two transmitters into the antenna. The 90 degree carrier phase difference could be achieved with passive components, which would require adjustment, or with digital dividers, which would eliminate the adjustments at that point. One of the disadvantages of this type of QUAM transmitter is that the single channel modulation can't be increased above the level equivalent to 50 percent envelope modulation. In this case that is an advantage, since we will be decoding the signal on a C-Quam receiver and don't want high levels of single channel modulation anyway. This also means we can use a simple FM style audio limiter, and don't need a "matrix" limiter to pump up the single channel levels. Of course a specially designed "matrix" limiter could be used "in reverse" to reduce the single channel modulation levels, further reducing the distortion, while keeping the envelope modulation up. John From scott.toenniessen@fmr.com Fri Jun 27 12:56:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scott.toenniessen@fmr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46177 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 19:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2003 19:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 19:55:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2003 19:55:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:55:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WSAI IBOC on KB 1520 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 325 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "spt87a" X-Originating-IP: 204.110.135.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=133257283 X-Yahoo-Profile: spt87a Hey, I thought I saw a post about MP3's of KB during a dead air period with the WSAI IBOC hash coming through loud and clear. Can someone post the link to this? There was a significant amount of buzzing over KB last night in eastern MA and I wanted to hear the sample to compare with what I heard. Thanks, Scott From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 14:10:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94411 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 21:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2003 21:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 21:10:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2003 21:10:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:10:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WSAI IBOC on KB 1520 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 502 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "spt87a" wrote: > Hey, > > I thought I saw a post about MP3's of KB during a dead air period > with the WSAI IBOC hash coming through loud and clear. Can someone > post the link to this? > > There was a significant amount of buzzing over KB last night in > eastern MA and I wanted to hear the sample to compare with what I > heard. > > Thanks, > > Scott This: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/iboc/wsaiiboc.mp3 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 27 14:57:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44479 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 21:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2003 21:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 21:57:44 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-232.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.232]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5RLvdQ0017384 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:57:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009c01c33cf7$3ccf19a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Possible radio for AM Stereo conversion??? Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:58:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I noticed the numbers only go up to 16. Wonder if it actually tunes the whole band? 4.5v should be enough for the decoder. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Rafuse" > This just might make a good rig to convert to an AM Stereo walkman > radio. > > http://xtronics.com/kits/SK-232A.htm From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 27 15:05:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31700 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 22:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2003 22:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 22:05:16 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-232.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.232]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h5RM5BQ0020022 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:05:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a601c33cf8$4a3eee20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAO: Scott re WLYC Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:05:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Radio is an expensive business. I'm still trying to find someone, hopefully pro AMS, who will buy the old WHLB 1400 in Virginia MN. It's one of the oldest stations in the region and went dark last Nov. when much of the transmitter zorched. It's a Harris MW-1A, and I suspect it would need a pile of resistors and transistors replaced, plus the lytics should be shotgunned. Bad lytics had one of my transmitters crippled for some time. I suspect you could get it for nearly stick value (about $71K). Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" > What we hadn't counted on was the cost of keeping it going to get it > into profitability. > > We learned a lot from that exercise and all wish to go after another AM > station but with more funding. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 15:05:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33500 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 22:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2003 22:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 22:05:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20030627220518.18208.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.201] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:05:18 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Possible radio for AM Stereo conversion??? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <009c01c33cf7$3ccf19a0$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Did a google search on it this morning and it goes from 535kHz to 1605kHz-it looks like its made in China but only available in America. http://www.telefact.com.cn/zzyd/sk/us-SK-232A.htm Michael --- Scott Todd wrote: > I noticed the numbers only go up to 16. Wonder if > it actually tunes the > whole band? 4.5v should be enough for the decoder. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Rafuse" > > > This just might make a good rig to convert to an > AM Stereo walkman > > radio. > > > > http://xtronics.com/kits/SK-232A.htm > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 17:41:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19528 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 00:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 00:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 00:41:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 00:41:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:41:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WSAI IBOC on KB 1520 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 432 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/iboc/wsaiiboc.mp3 Actually, with the way the FTP server is currently set up, the correct link is: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/FTProot/iboc/wsaiiboc.mp3 However, the "/FTProot" is rather superfluous, and perhaps with a bit more tweaking on the FTP server administrator's behalf, it could be made the default folder, so that it doesn't need to be included in the link (like what you posted). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 17:47:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37902 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 00:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 00:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 00:47:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 00:46:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:46:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Possible radio for AM Stereo conversion??? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030627220518.18208.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 536 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Did a google search on it this morning and it goes from 535kHz to > 1605kHz Analog-tuning radios can always be tweaked to extend the tuning=20 range. I have successfully adjusted older transistor radios to tune=20 the complete Expanded Band up to 1700 kHz. In fact, you can really tweak them to tune in some of the Shortwave=20 band, but then image rejection goes to pot and you start hearing=20 "Deutsche Welle", "Radio Exterior de Espa=F1a", and all sorts of=20 teletype and Morse code signals on top of your local AM stations at=20 night! From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 18:13:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29027 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 01:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 01:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 01:13:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 01:13:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 01:13:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Possible radio for AM Stereo conversion??? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 904 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > Did a google search on it this morning and it goes from 535kHz to > > 1605kHz >=20 > Analog-tuning radios can always be tweaked to extend the tuning=20 > range. I have successfully adjusted older transistor radios to=20 tune=20 > the complete Expanded Band up to 1700 kHz. When I had my SRF-A100 years ago, I tweeked it to do 515-1750. > In fact, you can really tweak them to tune in some of the Shortwave=20 > band, but then image rejection goes to pot and you start hearing=20 > "Deutsche Welle", "Radio Exterior de Espa=F1a", and all sorts of=20 > teletype and Morse code signals on top of your local AM stations at=20 > night! I did trick my A100 with a magnet to tune up to the 6MHz band, so I=20 got to hear shortwave in stereo. Too bad I couldn't make it=20 permanent, but oh, well. It was a pleasant experiment. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 18:15:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88381 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 01:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 01:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 01:15:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 01:15:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 01:15:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WSAI IBOC on KB 1520 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 555 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > This: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/iboc/wsaiiboc.mp3 > > Actually, with the way the FTP server is currently set up, the > correct link is: > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/FTProot/iboc/wsaiiboc.mp3 > > However, the "/FTProot" is rather superfluous, and perhaps with a > bit more tweaking on the FTP server administrator's behalf, it could > be made the default folder, so that it doesn't need to be included > in the link (like what you posted). Umm...? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 18:24:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82980 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 01:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 01:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 01:24:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 01:24:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 01:24:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WSAI IBOC on KB 1520 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 928 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > This: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/iboc/wsaiiboc.mp3 > > > > Actually, with the way the FTP server is currently set up, the > > correct link is: > > > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/FTProot/iboc/wsaiiboc.mp3 > > > > However, the "/FTProot" is rather superfluous, and perhaps with a > > bit more tweaking on the FTP server administrator's behalf, it > could > > be made the default folder, so that it doesn't need to be included > > in the link (like what you posted). > > Umm...? OK, now I see... This would be Matt Trim's job, I think, to link the ftp.amstereoradio.com address to /FTProot....or MJR's job to link the IP directly to that subdirectory. I'm not sure, since server administration is not something I'm that knowledgable about. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 02:25:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73525 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 09:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 09:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 09:25:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 09:25:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:25:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 231 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I'm slowly digesting both JSG's and Mr. Byrns' responses, but one thing I noce: Why is C-QUAM 1+L+R instead of L+R for the sum? Surely the result is 1+(2L,2R) instead of (2L,2R) - Wouldn't 1+(2L,2R) be louder? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bjackson@indyradio.com Sat Jun 28 02:57:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98966 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 09:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 09:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 09:57:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 09:57:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:57:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Lighting a Pilot Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 860 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > Well done Brad! > > Do you know the e-mail address of Kyle Twenty at WXNT? "Bob Green" wants > to visit Spring Lake, IN and said him an encouraging message to flick the > exciter back on - until the great IBOC either arrives or fades into > oblivion. > > Otherwise can someone give me a web address where it's easy to type in a > US city and get its zipcode? The feedback e-mail thingos often want > zipcodes. > > Ian > (IBOC should be zipped!) Ian, After talking with a buddy of mine at their sister station WZPL, it seems the e-mail address is either ktwenty at newstalk1430 dot com *Or* ktwenty at mystar dot com. Valid zip codes in Indy are 4622* Let me know if *you* get an e-mail response :-) - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - http://www.indyradio.com From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Jun 28 04:21:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82304 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 11:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 11:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 11:21:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 11:21:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:21:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 834 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >Why is C-QUAM 1+L+R instead of L+R for the sum? Surely the result is >1+(2L,2R) instead of (2L,2R) - Wouldn't 1+(2L,2R) be louder? 1+L+R is used to retain compatibility with mono MW AM radios. Hence the letter "C" in front of QUAM. You don't get 2L,2R until the L-R matrix is applied. Yes, 1+(2L,2R) would be louder, if it existed in transmission. L-R is transmitted in quadrature (90 degrees out of phase with the main carrier). Diode envelope detectors expect to see 1+L+R and can't separate the two carriers. By multiplying each carrier axis by the cosine of the angle, that results from the L+R and L-R carriers, the envelope detection error is eliminated, and compatibility is retained. Now if every radio used synchronous detectors, then this wouldn't even be an issue. -Mario Orazio Remember, AMStereoRules From dziki64@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 06:35:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dziki64@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40632 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 13:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 13:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 13:35:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 13:35:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:35:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Realistic TM-152 Alignment Instructions? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 112 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Marty" X-Originating-IP: 66.170.162.193 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=86980989 X-Yahoo-Profile: dziki64 I'm looking for alignment instructions for the Radio Shack (Realistic) TM-152 AM STEREO tuner. Thanks! Marty From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 06:46:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34264 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 13:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 13:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 13:46:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 13:46:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:46:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FAO: Scott re WLYC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 284 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet on a regional clear channel. > > I heard the station ID while driving up from SC at the 60 mile marker, > she was listenable though from around 40. SC as in South Carolina and you didn't call or mail me? Powell From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Jun 28 10:38:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9199 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 17:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 17:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 17:38:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 17:38:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:38:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 764 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.254 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > I'm slowly digesting both JSG's and Mr. Byrns' responses, but one=20 > thing I noce: >=20 > Why is C-QUAM 1+L+R instead of L+R for the sum? Surely the result is=20 > 1+(2L,2R) instead of (2L,2R) - Wouldn't 1+(2L,2R) be louder? >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ When mono as in L=3DR=3D1 the moulation is =B11 which is 2p-p so at +100% modulation the envelope is 2 and at -100% modulation the envelope is 0. The 1 is the carrier representation so the envelope does not exceed -100% modulation. If you had 1+2L+2R then you would have =B1200% modulation and would not be envelope compatible but would be great for synchronous detection as more energy would be=20 put it the sidebands and not the carrier. JSG From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 11:15:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42181 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 18:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 18:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 18:15:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 18:15:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:15:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1214 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > I'm slowly digesting both JSG's and Mr. Byrns' responses, but one=20 > > thing I noce: > >=20 > > Why is C-QUAM 1+L+R instead of L+R for the sum? Surely the result=20 is=20 > > 1+(2L,2R) instead of (2L,2R) - Wouldn't 1+(2L,2R) be louder? >=20 > When mono as in L=3DR=3D1 the moulation is =B11 which is 2p-p so at > +100% modulation the envelope is 2 and at -100% modulation the > envelope is 0. The 1 is the carrier representation so the envelope > does not exceed -100% modulation. If you had 1+2L+2R then you would > have =B1200% modulation and would not be envelope compatible but > would be great for synchronous detection as more energy would be=20 > put it the sidebands and not the carrier. So then, to retain compatibility, sideband modulation needs to be at=20 50% per sideband. So then, wouldn't both QUAM and C-QUAM need to=20 maintain 50% modulation in each of the I and Q channels? Or at least=20 maintain balance somehow by parity never exceeding 100% total=20 modulation for both channels? (ie: full mono @ 100%, full difference=20 at I=3D50%, Q=3D50%) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Jun 28 11:36:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9709 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 18:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 18:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 18:36:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 18:36:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:36:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 895 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.168 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: >=20 > When mono as in L=3DR=3D1 the moulation is =B11 which is 2p-p so at > +100% modulation the envelope is 2 and at -100% modulation the > envelope is 0. The 1 is the carrier representation so the envelope > does not exceed -100% modulation. If you had 1+2L+2R then you would > have =B1200% modulation and would not be envelope compatible but > would be great for synchronous detection as more energy would be=20 > put it the sidebands and not the carrier. If "1 is the carrier", and "when mono as in L=3DR=3D1", wouldn't that=20 result in 200% modulation, I think that is the correct number, or at=20 least something greater than 100%, not the 100% modulation you imply?=20=20 For 100% mono modulation I would think it would either be L=3DR=3D0.5, not= =20 L=3DR=3D1, or the formula would have to be 1+0.5(L+R), not amy's 1+(L+R)? John From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jun 28 13:52:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94929 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 20:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 20:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 20:52:13 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.54.1480ec0a (16930) for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <54.1480ec0a.2c2f59f7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:52:07 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 710 sued by 740 ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is news to me! I also think Entercom should sue CC over WSAI's IBOC signal interfering with WWKB, and the New Life Evangelistic Center should do the same to the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod over KFUO 850's IBOC signal interfering with WCBW's signal on 880. Also, on one receiver, KFUO's IBOC signal blocks out reception of WLS 890! How stupid can you get? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jun 28 13:52:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28750 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 20:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 20:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 20:52:16 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.50.1f002da5 (16930) for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50.1f002da5.2c2f59f9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:52:09 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} KRUD Radio web site To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug, it was the owner of the KRUD Radio site that advised me to get out of the commercial end of the radio business...I'm glad I did because of the negative attitudes that permeate the industry, not only on the subject of talent, but on advanced technology like AM Stereo (some favor the failed IBOC system for no reason except that their stations are demanding it). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jun 28 13:52:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44747 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 20:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 20:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 20:52:16 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.70.2fbc33c0 (16930) for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <70.2fbc33c0.2c2f59fa@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:52:10 EDT Subject: Continue To Write CEs/OMs/GMs of WRTH 1430 and WEW 770 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like for all of us in the AM Stereo fold to continue to lobby the management of WEW 770 and WRTH 1430 for AM Stereo on their stations. Both stations recently went through format changes, but are, unfortunately, still mono. WEW dropped it's Variety format for Adult Standards (although there's still some ethnic programming on the weekends); WRTH flipped from Adult Standards to '50s and '60s Oldies (all in recent weeks). The contacts at these stations are: WEW: Vern Jackson, Chief Engineer; Rich Vannoy, General Manager 2740 Hampton Avenue, St. Louis, MO 63139 WRTH: Ron Elz, Operations Manager (The group that owns WRTH also owns WIL 92.3, WVRV 101.1 and WSSM 106.5; their postal address may be obtained through either FM stations' Web sites) 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 14:26:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62376 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 21:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 21:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 21:26:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 21:26:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:26:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: looking for Sony WM-GX822 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 528 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "megryan65000" wrote: > If you're keen to pay $60 for an SRF-42, eBay has two with the > Buy-it-Now feature. Speaking of Sony AM Stereo radios on EBay, I've been looking for a WM-GX822 for several months now, and have been unable to find one. Does anyone know where I could get one? I would prefer not to pay more than approx $100 to $125 for a used one, but I do want it to be in fully functional condition. I don't care if it has some scratches and stuff though. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 14:29:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46845 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 21:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 21:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 21:29:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 21:29:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:29:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Possible radio for AM Stereo conversion??? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 586 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key > Analog-tuning radios can always be tweaked to extend the tuning > range. I have successfully adjusted older transistor radios to tune > the complete Expanded Band up to 1700 kHz. > I have an old portable Zenith that tunes approx 535 to 1650-1660 KHz or so. Is there a way it could be tweaked to tune from 530 to 1700? Also, could the selectivity (by tweaking the IF transformers and LO) be improved somewhat? I got a few stations that block out weak stations I want to be able to hear. It says "long distance" on the front of the case, but doesn't quite live up to its name." From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 14:32:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70318 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 21:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 21:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 21:32:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 21:32:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:32:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAO: Scott re WLYC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a601c33cf8$4a3eee20$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 667 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Radio is an expensive business. I'm still trying to find someone, hopefully > pro AMS, who will buy the old WHLB 1400 in Virginia MN. It's one of the > oldest stations in the region and went dark last Nov. when much of the > transmitter zorched. It's a Harris MW-1A, and I suspect it would need a > pile of resistors and transistors replaced, plus the lytics should be > shotgunned. Bad lytics had one of my transmitters crippled for some time. > I suspect you could get it for nearly stick value (about $71K). > > Scott Todd Scott, If I win the BIG lottery I'll buy it... Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 15:10:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56213 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 22:10:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 22:10:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 22:10:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 22:10:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:10:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 710 sued by 740 ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <54.1480ec0a.2c2f59f7@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 611 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > This is news to me! I also think Entercom should sue CC over WSAI's IBOC > signal interfering with WWKB, and the New Life Evangelistic Center should do the > same to the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod over KFUO 850's IBOC signal > interfering with WCBW's signal on 880. > Also, on one receiver, KFUO's IBOC signal blocks out reception of WLS 890! > How stupid can you get? IF anyone needs to sue, it's the Indiana 1520 that gets clobbered in the daytime by the WSAI IBOC signal and the IBOC can be heard AT the station at night. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 16:45:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48167 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 23:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 23:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 23:45:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 23:45:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:45:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1383 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > >=20 > > When mono as in L=3DR=3D1 the moulation is =B11 which is 2p-p so at > > +100% modulation the envelope is 2 and at -100% modulation the > > envelope is 0. The 1 is the carrier representation so the envelope > > does not exceed -100% modulation. If you had 1+2L+2R then you=20 would > > have =B1200% modulation and would not be envelope compatible but > > would be great for synchronous detection as more energy would be=20 > > put it the sidebands and not the carrier. >=20 > If "1 is the carrier", and "when mono as in L=3DR=3D1", wouldn't that=20 > result in 200% modulation, I think that is the correct number, or=20 at=20 > least something greater than 100%, not the 100% modulation you=20 imply?=20=20 Regardless, it cannot be lesser than 1, since the matrixing of 1+L+R=20 and L-R doesn't nullify the value of 1 - It would be 2L+1 and 2R+1,=20 and if the value of 2L or 2R =3D 0, it will still be +1....or perhaps=20 I'm missing something. Math has never been my strong point. :) > For 100% mono modulation I would think it would either be L=3DR=3D0.5,=20 not=20 > L=3DR=3D1, or the formula would have to be 1+0.5(L+R), not amy's 1+ (L+R)? I didn't make up the 1+L+R value, only trying to figure where the 1=20 comes in in the dematrixing. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 16:49:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66182 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 23:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2003 23:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 23:49:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2003 23:49:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:49:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 710 sued by 740 ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <54.1480ec0a.2c2f59f7@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 586 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > This is news to me! I also think Entercom should sue CC over WSAI's IBOC > signal interfering with WWKB, and the New Life Evangelistic Center should do the > same to the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod over KFUO 850's IBOC signal > interfering with WCBW's signal on 880. > Also, on one receiver, KFUO's IBOC signal blocks out reception of WLS 890! > How stupid can you get? I would think the first course of action would be to file a complaint with the FCC before ever considering going to court. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Jun 28 17:07:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16170 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 00:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 00:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 00:07:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 00:07:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:07:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT : Gold Maglite - Where to buy ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 213.121.69.87 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan ?? From bjackson@indyradio.com Sat Jun 28 17:09:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70475 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 00:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 00:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 00:09:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 00:09:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:09:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 710 sued by 740 ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 584 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > IF anyone needs to sue, it's the Indiana 1520 that gets clobbered in > the daytime by the WSAI IBOC signal and the IBOC can be heard AT the > station at night. > > Powell I'm about 20 miles or so from the 1520 WKWH transmitter and I get some *really* nasty hash on my car radio...even worse on the forced stereo Sony radios! I e-mailed them about the noise from their web site http://www.wkwhradio.com but still haven't heard a response back yet. - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 17:23:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22252 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 00:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 00:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 00:23:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 00:23:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:23:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Third busiest month Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 773 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie It's official- With just 2 days to go, this month is the third busiest month ever on this list, with January and December being busier. This should be the 762nd post, beating March's 756, and this month is still not yet done. :) That's alotta AM stereo (with some IBOC thrown in). :) Now, why am I concerned with this, even though I'm not the moderator (and have no desire to be)? Because I care about AM stereo enough that if I can encourage conversation and provoke thoughts, that this list- and interest in AM stereo- from fading. I fight for the cause of AM stereo in my own way. I hope enough follow in the fight that the AM stereo pilot light never goes out. Or, paraphrasing my favorite band, ELO: "Shine a little light on my life." :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From spfleck@citlink.net Sat Jun 28 17:47:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spfleck@citlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39054 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 00:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 00:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) (66.133.131.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 00:47:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 22385 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 00:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO steve) ([170.215.239.174]) (envelope-sender ) by relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.6) with SMTP for ; 29 Jun 2003 00:47:22 -0000 Message-ID: <005e01c33dd8$007b0b80$01c8a8c0@n2ubp.net> To: Subject: Clear Channel Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:47:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Steve Fleckenstein" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2988995 X-Yahoo-Profile: n2ubp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is close to > signing a Lease Management Agreement with Clear Channel > Communications, Inc. for their flagship Time and Frequency station, > WWV, Fort Collins, Colorado. > > More info and MP3 format sample at > http://www.mindspring.com/~lownoise/wwv.html . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 18:08:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32645 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 01:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 01:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 01:08:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 01:08:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 01:08:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clear Channel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005e01c33dd8$007b0b80$01c8a8c0@n2ubp.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 466 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Fleckenstein" wrote: > The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is close to > > signing a Lease Management Agreement with Clear Channel > > Communications, Inc. for their flagship Time and Frequency station, > > WWV, Fort Collins, Colorado. > > > > More info and MP3 format sample at > > http://www.mindspring.com/~lownoise/wwv.html . I don't think this is likely. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Jun 28 18:17:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2537 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 01:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 01:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 01:17:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 01:17:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 01:17:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Third busiest month Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 424 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >It's official- With just 2 days to go, this month is the third >busiest month ever on this list, Yah and you were concerned about the lack of messages a few months ago. Not even the Dennis Falk list saw this many messages. Or how about that Bryan Turner? >Now, why am I concerned with this, even though I'm not the moderator >(and have no desire to be)? You don't want to be the moderator of two AM stereo lists? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 18:28:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53088 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 01:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 01:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 01:28:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 01:28:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 01:28:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Third busiest month Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 451 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Or, paraphrasing my favorite band, ELO: "Shine a little light on my > life." :) My inspirational AM Stereo moment today was hearing 1450 WCTC -- normally a talk station -- playing music in full Stereo, including a breathtaking choral rendition of the National Anthem with male voices in the left channel and female voices in the right channel. Unfortunately I was in the car at the time -- I wished I was at home so I could've recorded it! From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Jun 28 18:55:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1496 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 01:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 01:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 01:55:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 01:55:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 01:55:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1685 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.187 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" =20 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > >=20 > > > When mono as in L=3DR=3D1 the moulation is =B11 which is 2p-p so at > > > +100% modulation the envelope is 2 and at -100% modulation the > > > envelope is 0. The 1 is the carrier representation so the envelope > > > does not exceed -100% modulation. If you had 1+2L+2R then you=20 > would > > > have =B1200% modulation and would not be envelope compatible but > > > would be great for synchronous detection as more energy would be=20 > > > put it the sidebands and not the carrier. > >=20 > > If "1 is the carrier", and "when mono as in L=3DR=3D1", wouldn't that=20 > > result in 200% modulation, I think that is the correct number, or=20 > at=20 > > least something greater than 100%, not the 100% modulation you=20 > imply?=20=20 >=20 > Regardless, it cannot be lesser than 1, since the matrixing of 1+L+R=20 > and L-R doesn't nullify the value of 1 - It would be 2L+1 and 2R+1,=20 > and if the value of 2L or 2R =3D 0, it will still be +1....or perhaps=20 > I'm missing something. Math has never been my strong point. :) >=20 > > For 100% mono modulation I would think it would either be L=3DR=3D0.5,= =20 > not=20 > > L=3DR=3D1, or the formula would have to be 1+0.5(L+R), not amy's 1+ > (L+R)? >=20 > I didn't make up the 1+L+R value, only trying to figure where the 1=20 > comes in in the dematrixing. The "1" doesn't come into the dematrixing at all, it simply represents=20 the carrier term in traditional DSB-FC AM signal, as has been used in=20 the MW broadcast band for years. John From dougharding@mindspring.com Sat Jun 28 18:58:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11789 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 01:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 01:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 01:58:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 01:58:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 01:58:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KRUD Radio web site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50.1f002da5.2c2f59f9@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 954 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.199.155 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Doug, it was the owner of the KRUD Radio site that advised me to get out of > the commercial end of the radio business...I'm glad I did because of the > negative attitudes that permeate the industry, not only on the subject of talent, > but on advanced technology like AM Stereo (some favor the failed IBOC system for > no reason except that their stations are demanding it). > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > > Eric, I have read every cartoon on the Krud site and I can relate to everyone of them. I too am glad I am no longer in commercial radio. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 19:16:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40257 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 02:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 02:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 02:15:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 02:15:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 02:15:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clear Channel (WWV) - HOLA HOLA HOOOLLLLAAA!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005e01c33dd8$007b0b80$01c8a8c0@n2ubp.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is close > to signing a Lease Management Agreement with Clear Channel > Communications, Inc. for their flagship Time and Frequency > station, WWV, Fort Collins, Colorado. You may joke, but there is already a "party" to be heard on WWV, at least in certain parts of the world. For years, I have heard people transmitting on top of WWV at 10.000 MHz, mostly yelling "Hola Hola Hooolllaaaa!!!" ("hola", pronounced with the H silent, is Spanish for "hello"). These people also whistle, say other things in Spanish, and even play sound effects and music. Sometimes it is very amusing to hear! I've asked about this several times in various online venues, but never got a conclusive answer as to exactly who these people are and why they're transmitting this kind of stuff on WWV's frequency. Some claim it's from airplane pilots "testing their radio", while others think it's just a bunch of people with an HF transmitter on their hands and nothing better to do than to imitate "CB radio" behavior on a commonly known frequency. Regardless of the cause, here's a sample of what it sounds like, as heard on a vintage Hallicrafters receiver here in New Jersey: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/wwvparty.mp3 Listen for the "Hola, hoolla, hoooollllaaaa!!", whistling, and various other nonsense in the background of WWV. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 19:48:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42809 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 02:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 02:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 02:48:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 02:48:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 02:48:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clear Channel (WWV) - HOLA HOLA HOOOLLLLAAA!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1586 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > You may joke, but there is already a "party" to be heard on WWV, at > least in certain parts of the world. For years, I have heard people > transmitting on top of WWV at 10.000 MHz, mostly yelling "Hola Hola > Hooolllaaaa!!!" ("hola", pronounced with the H silent, is Spanish for > "hello"). These people also whistle, say other things in Spanish, > and even play sound effects and music. Sometimes it is very amusing > to hear! > > I've asked about this several times in various online venues, but > never got a conclusive answer as to exactly who these people are and > why they're transmitting this kind of stuff on WWV's frequency. Some > claim it's from airplane pilots "testing their radio", while others > think it's just a bunch of people with an HF transmitter on their > hands and nothing better to do than to imitate "CB radio" behavior > on a commonly known frequency. These, chances are, are Latin American freebanders, particularly in the drug trade, as well as those testing their gear for calibration, forgetting to use a dummy load. It's most likely the former, though, using the most listened-to frequency in the world as cover for their transmissions. Like someone once said, the best place to hide is in plain sight. Most of the "monkey chatter" I get here is around 5MHz, but usually not the "holas" on frequency. (If you heard this in ISB stereo, you would hear the "holas" in one channel or the other, since they're being sent via SSB.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jim@burgan.net Sat Jun 28 19:48:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85412 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 02:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 02:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.asp.att.net) (63.240.76.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 02:48:45 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-233-146.client.insightbb.com[12.221.233.146]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030629024603im200glt2re>; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 02:46:03 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c33de8$961fa870$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 710 sued by 740 ? Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:46:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Powell wrote: >> IF anyone needs to sue, it's the Indiana 1520 that gets clobbered >>in >>the daytime by the WSAI IBOC signal and the IBOC can be heard AT >>the >> station at night. >Brad Replied: >I'm about 20 miles or so from the 1520 WKWH transmitter and I get >some *really* nasty hash on my car radio...even worse on the forced >stereo Sony radios! I e-mailed them about the noise from their web >site http://www.wkwhradio.com but still haven't heard a response back >yet. I live about 20 miles from their (WKWH) transmitter (in a different direction than Brad) and I have the same hash when WSAI is testing IBOC. I don't think they've been testing it lately... but I haven't checked for a while. -Jim- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jim@burgan.net Sat Jun 28 19:48:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90929 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 02:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 02:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.asp.att.net) (63.240.76.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 02:48:48 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-233-146.client.insightbb.com[12.221.233.146]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030629024712im20002dnce>; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 02:47:12 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c33de8$bee595d0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Clear Channel Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:47:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Fleckenstein" wrote: > The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is close to > > signing a Lease Management Agreement with Clear Channel > > Communications, Inc. for their flagship Time and Frequency station, > > WWV, Fort Collins, Colorado. > > > > More info and MP3 format sample at > > http://www.mindspring.com/~lownoise/wwv.html . I don't think this is likely. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Not likely but it sure was funny... Did you listen to the audio? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 20:01:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33396 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 03:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 03:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 03:01:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 03:01:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:01:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clear Channel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c33de8$bee595d0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 796 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Fleckenstein" > wrote: > > The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is close > to > > > signing a Lease Management Agreement with Clear Channel > > > Communications, Inc. for their flagship Time and Frequency > station, > > > WWV, Fort Collins, Colorado. > > > > > > More info and MP3 format sample at > > > http://www.mindspring.com/~lownoise/wwv.html . > > I don't think this is likely. > > Not likely but it sure was funny... Did you listen to the audio? Yup. Not like radio slogans are now or anything, but someone went to some effort to do all that, including the WWV tones & ticks. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 20:08:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59518 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 03:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 03:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 03:08:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 03:08:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:08:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Third busiest month Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 267 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: Instead of dignifying this flamebait drivel with a response, I'll just say this, to quote a certain fellow AM stereo fan: What have YOU done for AM stereo lately? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Jun 28 20:15:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56392 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 03:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 03:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.244.97) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 03:15:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:15:11 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav40.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:15:11 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: My AM Radio Download Site Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:15:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2003 03:15:11.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6FBEC90:01C33DEC] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd For those interested I have a download page with schematics and articles about P15AM, carrier current and AM Stereo. http://www.qsl.net/kc8gpd/Downloads/download1.htm My homepage http://www.qsl.net/kc8gpd/ Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis 88.3 FM Stereo 1610 AM Real Community Radio!!! From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 20:22:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60583 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 03:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 03:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 03:21:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 03:21:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:21:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: My AM Radio Download Site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 396 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > For those interested I have a download page with schematics and articles > about P15AM, carrier current and AM Stereo. > > http://www.qsl.net/kc8gpd/Downloads/download1.htm Well, now! We get to see WBDH's ISB transmitter schematics! Thanks, reverend, for sharing your site with us. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Jun 28 20:35:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89780 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 03:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 03:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.244.118) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 03:35:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:35:11 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav14.adinternal.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:35:11 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: My AM site Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:35:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2003 03:35:11.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[722B8A40:01C33DEF] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Please keep that web adress within the group. Don't post it to CRUSA or any other forum as that adress bypasses the password gate. you can give them the http://www.qsl.net/kc8gpd/ adress and they can go through the process of getting a user/pass off of me. I use the password gate as bandwidth controll. Gave the bypass adress to you guys because this is a relatively small group. And feel free to check out the rest of the page. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis 88.3 FM Stereo 1610 AM Real Community Radio!!! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 20:40:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15017 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 03:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 03:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 03:40:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 03:40:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:40:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clear Channel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 398 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yup. Not like radio slogans are new or anything, but someone went > to some effort to do all that, including the WWV tones & ticks. :) However, that parody is missing WWV's funky 100 Hz bass beat -- which is almost exclusively a vacuum-tube radio phenomenon, as usually only "vintage" receivers have a wide enough audio pass-band and a large enough speaker to fully reproduce that low tone. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 21:00:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8178 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 04:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 04:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 04:00:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 04:00:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 04:00:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clear Channel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1190 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Yup. Not like radio slogans are new or anything, but someone went > > to some effort to do all that, including the WWV tones & ticks. :) > > However, that parody is missing WWV's funky 100 Hz bass beat -- which > is almost exclusively a vacuum-tube radio phenomenon, as usually only > "vintage" receivers have a wide enough audio pass-band and a large > enough speaker to fully reproduce that low tone. Not at all. I've been hearing WWV's BCD time signal for many years on a variety of receivers, but yes, the 100Hz BCD signal is missing from this spoof file. Not to mention, the ticks are a bit longer than what WWV uses, so they sound like bips, rather than ticks. WWV/WWVH's BCD timecode format: http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/stations/wwvtimecode.htm Which is a bit different from WWVB's BCD time code: http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/stations/wwvbtimecode.htm More about WWV can be found from here: http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/stations/wwv.html CHU (Canada's time station) also uses a BCD time code: http://inms-ienm.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/time_services/chu.html Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 23:32:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67435 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 06:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 06:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 06:32:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 06:32:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 06:32:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clear Channel WWV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1182 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've been hearing WWV's BCD time signal for many years on a variety > of receivers, I was just going by the (your?) recording of WWV/WWVH/JJY in C-Quam Stereo, as received on an MC13028-equipped Sangean, in which the 100 Hz tone is noticeably less prominent than on my Hallicrafters, even when played through the same audio amp and speakers. Anyway, this "jazzed-up" WWV parody is not too far different than "Radio Reloj" (literally, "Clock Radio"), a ubiquitous Cuban news radio format with second "ticks" in the background as news stories are read by alternating male and female announcers, with a prominent beep and Morse code "RR" ID at the top of each minute. This makes it one of the easiest DX catches from Cuba to receive, as it is broadcast on many different frequencies on the AM band, and even when another station is highly dominant on the channel, you can still hear the identifying "BEEP! bip-di-bip" from Reloj. There is also an actual number you can call to listen to the WWV audio over the telephone -- it's a toll call to Colorado, though, not toll-free. And I have to admit, the "All The Time... All The Time!" slogan *is* pretty darn funny. :-) From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Jun 28 23:41:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25287 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 06:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 06:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 06:41:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 06:41:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 06:41:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2016 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > > wrote: > > > I'm slowly digesting both JSG's and Mr. Byrns' responses, but one=20 > > > thing I noce: > > >=20 > > > Why is C-QUAM 1+L+R instead of L+R for the sum? Surely the result=20 > is=20 > > > 1+(2L,2R) instead of (2L,2R) - Wouldn't 1+(2L,2R) be louder? > >=20 > > When mono as in L=3DR=3D1 the moulation is =B11 which is 2p-p so at > > +100% modulation the envelope is 2 and at -100% modulation the > > envelope is 0. The 1 is the carrier representation so the envelope > > does not exceed -100% modulation. If you had 1+2L+2R then you would > > have =B1200% modulation and would not be envelope compatible but > > would be great for synchronous detection as more energy would be=20 > > put it the sidebands and not the carrier. >=20 > So then, to retain compatibility, sideband modulation needs to be at=20 > 50% per sideband. So then, wouldn't both QUAM and C-QUAM need to=20 > maintain 50% modulation in each of the I and Q channels? Or at least=20 > maintain balance somehow by parity never exceeding 100% total=20 > modulation for both channels? (ie: full mono @ 100%, full difference=20 > at I=3D50%, Q=3D50%) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yes that's pretty much so except when L=3DR which is a mono signal there is no signal on the Q channel since that is L-R and there is no separation. With C-QuAM this is also true during stereo separation since the envelope always =3D L+R. With QuAM this is a different story as the envelope never achieves -100% modulation=20 since the Q channel is at it's peak when the I channel is at -100% modulation during stereo separation so the enbelope is at the level of the Q channel. This is one of the benefits of C-QuAM over QuAM during transmittion.=20 I guess some of these matrix processors control downward modulation to some extent before the signal goes to the exciter. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Jun 28 23:45:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25308 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 06:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 06:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 06:45:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 06:45:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 06:45:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1249 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > >=20 > > When mono as in L=3DR=3D1 the moulation is =B11 which is 2p-p so at > > +100% modulation the envelope is 2 and at -100% modulation the > > envelope is 0. The 1 is the carrier representation so the envelope > > does not exceed -100% modulation. If you had 1+2L+2R then you would > > have =B1200% modulation and would not be envelope compatible but > > would be great for synchronous detection as more energy would be=20 > > put it the sidebands and not the carrier. >=20 > If "1 is the carrier", and "when mono as in L=3DR=3D1", wouldn't that=20 > result in 200% modulation, I think that is the correct number, or at=20 > least something greater than 100%, not the 100% modulation you imply?=20=20 > For 100% mono modulation I would think it would either be L=3DR=3D0.5, not=20 > L=3DR=3D1, or the formula would have to be 1+0.5(L+R), not amy's 1+(L+R)? >=20 > John I guess I should of said that the L=3DR=3D1p-p so L+R=3D2p-p and that would be +1 and -1 in each direction. With a carrier=3D1 then the -1 downward modulation would be addede to the +1 carrier so the envelope would be 0 during -100% modulation. JSG From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Jun 29 00:01:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9306 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 07:01:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 07:01:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf16aec.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 07:01:53 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.158.200.124]) by imf16aec.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030629070153.YMQB28265.imf16aec.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:01:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c33e0c$5204ecd0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Clear Channel WWV Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:01:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember hearing Radio Reloj under 570 WNAX in northwest Iowa in the winter, during my time in the Hawkeye State. I lived fairly close to the station in Alta, Iowa. The morse code RR is easy to hear even under a strong signal. Juan Fort Pierce, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 2:32 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clear Channel WWV > I've been hearing WWV's BCD time signal for many years on a variety > of receivers, I was just going by the (your?) recording of WWV/WWVH/JJY in C-Quam Stereo, as received on an MC13028-equipped Sangean, in which the 100 Hz tone is noticeably less prominent than on my Hallicrafters, even when played through the same audio amp and speakers. Anyway, this "jazzed-up" WWV parody is not too far different than "Radio Reloj" (literally, "Clock Radio"), a ubiquitous Cuban news radio format with second "ticks" in the background as news stories are read by alternating male and female announcers, with a prominent beep and Morse code "RR" ID at the top of each minute. This makes it one of the easiest DX catches from Cuba to receive, as it is broadcast on many different frequencies on the AM band, and even when another station is highly dominant on the channel, you can still hear the identifying "BEEP! bip-di-bip" from Reloj. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 00:18:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22335 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 07:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 07:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 07:18:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 07:18:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 07:18:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clear Channel WWV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2151 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I've been hearing WWV's BCD time signal for many years on a variety > > of receivers, > > I was just going by the (your?) recording of WWV/WWVH/JJY in C-Quam > Stereo, as received on an MC13028-equipped Sangean, in which the > 100 Hz tone is noticeably less prominent than on my Hallicrafters, > even when played through the same audio amp and speakers. That would be this (cut & paste as needed): http://www.amstereo.audio- stream.net/amstereo/files/stations/shortwave/wwv-wwvh-jjy-sweepjammer- 5MHz-0958utc-3-21-2001.mp3 Actually, the longer recordings in the stations/shortwave/wwv directory have a better bass response, and the 100Hz BCD tone isn't drowned out by the computer, since these were recorded directly to computer. (to o to that directory directly, here's the URL, below.) http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/files/ams.php?q=f&f=% 2Fstations%2Fshortwave%2Fwwv (Cut & paste as usual.) > Anyway, this "jazzed-up" WWV parody is not too far different than > "Radio Reloj" (literally, "Clock Radio"), a ubiquitous Cuban news > radio format with second "ticks" in the background as news stories > are read by alternating male and female announcers, with a prominent > beep and Morse code "RR" ID at the top of each minute. This makes > it one of the easiest DX catches from Cuba to receive, as it is > broadcast on many different frequencies on the AM band, and even > when another station is highly dominant on the channel, you can > still hear the identifying "BEEP! bip-di-bip" from Reloj. I was thinking Radio Reloj, too, when I heard that, which broadcasts the news over a clock signal. You can hear Radio Reloj online (Windows Media) at: http://www.media.islagrande.cu/radio/rc3.asx > There is also an actual number you can call to listen to the WWV > audio over the telephone -- it's a toll call to Colorado, though, > not toll-free. WWV: (303) 499-7111 WWVH: (808) 335-4363 > And I have to admit, the "All The Time... All The Time!" slogan *is* > pretty darn funny. :-) It is. :) Very creative. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 01:04:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61626 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 08:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 08:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 08:04:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 08:04:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:04:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1682 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > So then, to retain compatibility, sideband modulation needs to be at > > 50% per sideband. So then, wouldn't both QUAM and C-QUAM need to > > maintain 50% modulation in each of the I and Q channels? Or at least > > maintain balance somehow by parity never exceeding 100% total > > modulation for both channels? (ie: full mono @ 100%, full difference > > at I=50%, Q=50%) > > Yes that's pretty much so except when L=R which is a mono signal > there is no signal on the Q channel since that is L-R and there is > no separation. With C-QuAM this is also true during stereo > separation since the envelope always = L+R. With QuAM this is a > different story as the envelope never achieves -100% modulation > since the Q channel is at it's peak when the I channel is at -100% > modulation during stereo separation so the enbelope is at the level > of the Q channel. This is one of the benefits of C-QuAM over QuAM > during transmittion. Actually, considering 90deg on a sine wave, if the I is at -100%, the Q would be at 0, not +100%. Add to that, there usually is a delay with the Q signal. I'm not sure if there really is an advantage here with C-QUAM over QUAM in transmission, in this regard. > I guess some of these matrix processors control downward modulation > to some extent before the signal goes to the exciter. A cheesy way to maintain carrier modulation without clipping from negative modulation is to introduce some low-level DC to keep modulation from going further than -95 to -98%. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oscar@globility.com Sun Jun 29 04:49:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5373 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 11:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 11:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 11:49:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 11:46:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 11:46:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clear Channel (WWV) - HOLA HOLA HOOOLLLLAAA!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 486 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.207 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Listen for the "Hola, hoolla, hoooollllaaaa!!", whistling, and > various other nonsense in the background of WWV. It does sounds like it could be them calling "Hello CQ" 3 times to others locally with whom they communicate under the umbrella of time signal modulation. The camoflauge would be pretty good .... for as long as it takes for the DEA to pick up on what's contined in the message(s). MS From oscar@globility.com Sun Jun 29 06:57:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8802 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 13:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 13:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.139) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 13:57:05 -0000 Received: from MTS-XP-1 (ppp-RAS3-1-207.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.244.207]) by smtp2.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C9E13639 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 09:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200306290957030500.00A4D786@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 09:57:03 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Clear Channel (WWV) - HOLA HOLA HOOOLLLLAAA!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Marv Southcott" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here ya go, Fred. The Columbian Drug Cartels have stolen your idea and inadvertently created a precedent for it. Cheers, Marv . *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/29/2003 at 2:48 AM amymousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > You may joke, but there is already a "party" to be heard on WWV, at > least in certain parts of the world. For years, I have heard people > transmitting on top of WWV at 10.000 MHz, mostly yelling "Hola Hola > Hooolllaaaa!!!" ("hola", pronounced with the H silent, is Spanish for > "hello"). These people also whistle, say other things in Spanish, > and even play sound effects and music. Sometimes it is very amusing > to hear! > > I've asked about this several times in various online venues, but > never got a conclusive answer as to exactly who these people are and > why they're transmitting this kind of stuff on WWV's frequency. Some > claim it's from airplane pilots "testing their radio", while others > think it's just a bunch of people with an HF transmitter on their > hands and nothing better to do than to imitate "CB radio" behavior > on a commonly known frequency. These, chances are, are Latin American freebanders, particularly in the drug trade, as well as those testing their gear for calibration, forgetting to use a dummy load. It's most likely the former, though, using the most listened-to frequency in the world as cover for their transmissions. Like someone once said, the best place to hide is in plain sight. Most of the "monkey chatter" I get here is around 5MHz, but usually not the "holas" on frequency. (If you heard this in ISB stereo, you would hear the "holas" in one channel or the other, since they're being sent via SSB.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Jun 29 06:59:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39867 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 13:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 13:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 13:59:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 13:59:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 13:59:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1636 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.168 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > > > Yes that's pretty much so except when L=R which is a mono signal > > there is no signal on the Q channel since that is L-R and there is > > no separation. With C-QuAM this is also true during stereo > > separation since the envelope always = L+R. With QuAM this is a > > different story as the envelope never achieves -100% modulation > > since the Q channel is at it's peak when the I channel is at -100% > > modulation during stereo separation so the enbelope is at the > > level of the Q channel. This is one of the benefits of C-QuAM over > > QuAM during transmittion. > > Actually, considering 90deg on a sine wave, if the I is at -100%, > the Q would be at 0, not +100%. Add to that, there usually is a > delay with the Q signal. Actually it sounds like you are describing "ISB", not QUAM or C-QUAM. With single channel tone modulation on QUAM or C-QUAM, when the "I" signal is at its maximum negative going modulation peak, the "Q" signal is also at its peak, not zero. > I'm not sure if there really is an advantage here with C-QUAM over > QUAM in transmission, in this regard. > > > I guess some of these matrix processors control downward > > modulation to some extent before the signal goes to the exciter. > > A cheesy way to maintain carrier modulation without clipping from > negative modulation is to introduce some low-level DC to keep > modulation from going further than -95 to -98%. Huh, could you explain that in a little more detail? John From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sun Jun 29 09:58:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89793 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 16:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 16:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 16:58:26 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F3EE709F9 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 16:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184565pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.76.80]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACB81800B7 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 16:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030629125312.00a810b0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 12:58:18 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Portibal Radio with AMS and FM and Caset Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there such a beast? I'm going on a trip to CA and need one small enough to bring on as a cary-on on the air plain. One with digital tuning isn't necessary, but it is a plus. Things I'm looking for in a beast like this is good image rejection, minimal overload problems, no hiss and fludder when recording on to caseet, IE, I want it to sound good recorded on caseet, not like it's recorded cheaply. Anything being made? Or on E Bay, before July 11? I need to have it by then. Perhaps I can get FM/AMS airchecks recorded from Ca. If not, I'll stick to the disk man/Fm/AM tuner without caset. Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Jun 29 13:59:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47501 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 20:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 20:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 20:59:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2003 20:59:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:59:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clear Channel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005e01c33dd8$007b0b80$01c8a8c0@n2ubp.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 509 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.159.192.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Hmmm. Sounds voicetracked. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Fleckenstein" wrote: > The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is close to > > signing a Lease Management Agreement with Clear Channel > > Communications, Inc. for their flagship Time and Frequency station, > > WWV, Fort Collins, Colorado. > > > > More info and MP3 format sample at > > http://www.mindspring.com/~lownoise/wwv.html . > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 14:56:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32155 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 21:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 21:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 21:56:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20030629215506.57472.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.201] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:55:06 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Portibal Radio with AMS and FM and Caset To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030629125312.00a810b0@pop.GameBox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Theres an AIWA walkman HS J170 model digital tuning that records AM/FM stereo but without AM Stereo however. Michael --- John Holcomb II wrote: > Is there such a beast? > I'm going on a trip to CA and need one small > enough to bring on as a cary-on on the air plain. > One with digital tuning isn't necessary, but it is > a plus. > Things I'm looking for in a beast like this is good > image rejection, minimal overload problems, no hiss > and fludder when recording on to caseet, IE, I want > it to sound good recorded on caseet, not like it's > recorded cheaply. > Anything being made? Or on E Bay, before July 11? I > need to have it by then. > Perhaps I can get FM/AMS airchecks recorded from > Ca. > If not, I'll stick to the disk man/Fm/AM tuner > without caset. > > > > Love in Christ: > > John > > Bensalem, PA > > Send me an email > > Aim: RainAngelsRule > > MSN: > > RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com > > My website > > Welcome > to Napster4TheBlind > > "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - > Authur unknown > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 15:46:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86090 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2003 22:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2003 22:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2003 22:46:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20030629224604.87655.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.201] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:46:04 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Portibal Radio with AMS and FM and Caset To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030629215506.57472.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Theres these ones that also look like "cameras" rather than radios off a site I was surfing too. http://www.baazee.com/jsp/BidForm.jsp?Trade_TradeId=23084453&SId=TL&Ref=Category3076 > Michael > --- John Holcomb II wrote: > > Is there such a beast? > > I'm going on a trip to CA and need one small > > enough to bring on as a cary-on on the air plain. > > One with digital tuning isn't necessary, but it > is > > a plus. > > Things I'm looking for in a beast like this is > good > > image rejection, minimal overload problems, no > hiss > > and fludder when recording on to caseet, IE, I > want > > it to sound good recorded on caseet, not like it's > > > recorded cheaply. > > Anything being made? Or on E Bay, before July 11? > I > > need to have it by then. > > Perhaps I can get FM/AMS airchecks recorded from > > Ca. > > If not, I'll stick to the disk man/Fm/AM tuner > > without caset. > > > > > > > > Love in Christ: > > > > John > > > > Bensalem, PA > > > > Send me an email > > > > Aim: RainAngelsRule > > > > MSN: > > > > RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com > > > > My website > > > > > Welcome > > to Napster4TheBlind > > > > "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - > > Authur unknown > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 17:48:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71787 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 00:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 00:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 00:48:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 00:48:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:48:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Portibal Radio with AMS and FM and Caset Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030629224604.87655.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1980 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I've been looking for a Sony WM-GX822 for several months now and am having trouble finding one. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > Theres these ones that also look like "cameras" rather > than radios off a site I was surfing too. > http://www.baazee.com/jsp/BidForm.jsp?Trade_TradeId=23084453&SId=TL&Ref=Category3076 > > Michael > > --- John Holcomb II wrote: > > > Is there such a beast? > > > I'm going on a trip to CA and need one small > > > enough to bring on as a cary-on on the air plain. > > > One with digital tuning isn't necessary, but it > > is > > > a plus. > > > Things I'm looking for in a beast like this is > > good > > > image rejection, minimal overload problems, no > > hiss > > > and fludder when recording on to caseet, IE, I > > want > > > it to sound good recorded on caseet, not like it's > > > > > recorded cheaply. > > > Anything being made? Or on E Bay, before July 11? > > I > > > need to have it by then. > > > Perhaps I can get FM/AMS airchecks recorded from > > > Ca. > > > If not, I'll stick to the disk man/Fm/AM tuner > > > without caset. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love in Christ: > > > > > > John > > > > > > Bensalem, PA > > > > > > Send me an email > > > > > > Aim: RainAngelsRule > > > > > > MSN: > > > > > > RainAngelsRule@h... > > > > > > My website > > > > > > > > > Welcome > > > to Napster4TheBlind > > > > > > "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - > > > Authur unknown > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== > Michael&Ross > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From bjackson@indyradio.com Sun Jun 29 18:36:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9804 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 01:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 01:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 01:36:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 01:36:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:36:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Portibal Radio with AMS and FM and Caset Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030629125312.00a810b0@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1091 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Is there such a beast? > I'm going on a trip to CA and need one small enough to bring on as a cary-on on the air plain. > One with digital tuning isn't necessary, but it is a plus. > Things I'm looking for in a beast like this is good image rejection, minimal overload problems, no hiss and fludder when recording on to caseet, IE, I want it to sound good recorded on caseet, not like it's recorded cheaply. > Anything being made? Or on E Bay, before July 11? I need to have it by then. > Perhaps I can get FM/AMS airchecks recorded from Ca. > If not, I'll stick to the disk man/Fm/AM tuner without caset. > > > > Love in Christ: > > John > John, I don't know how rare/common these are...But I have an Aiwa JX-828 walkman. It has AM stereo, FM stereo, Japanese TV band, and auto reverse tape *recorder*. I bought mine from E-Bay (From our very own Chris Cuff!). The AM Stereo is a little narrow, but has good seperation. - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - WGLD/WGRL/WFMS From bjackson@indyradio.com Sun Jun 29 18:58:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56302 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 01:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 01:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 01:58:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 01:57:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:57:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Portibal Radio with AMS and FM and Caset Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030629125312.00a810b0@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1262 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John Holcomb II wrote: > Is there such a beast? > I'm going on a trip to CA and need one small enough to bring on as a cary-on on the air plain. > One with digital tuning isn't necessary, but it is a plus. > Things I'm looking for in a beast like this is good image rejection, minimal overload problems, no hiss and fludder when recording on to caseet, IE, I want it to sound good recorded on caseet, not like it's recorded cheaply. > Anything being made? Or on E Bay, before July 11? I need to have it by then. > Perhaps I can get FM/AMS airchecks recorded from Ca. > If not, I'll stick to the disk man/Fm/AM tuner without caset. > > > > Love in Christ: > > John > John, I also just checked E-bay...While this may not be 100% what you're looking for...IT has AM STereo! (cut &paste) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3031814033&category=3281 I'm not sure if this is AM stereo or not: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3032180401&category=15053 And, I believe this is the Sansui (home) model that has their multi (kahn/harris/magnavox/motorola) system decoder chip: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3031572810&category=3279 From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 19:13:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85385 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 02:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 02:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 02:12:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 02:12:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 02:12:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Portibal Radio with AMS and FM and Caset Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 854 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key > > I don't know how rare/common these are...But I have an Aiwa JX-828 > walkman. It has AM stereo, FM stereo, Japanese TV band, and auto > reverse tape *recorder*. I bought mine from E-Bay (From our very own > Chris Cuff!). The AM Stereo is a little narrow, but has good > seperation. > > - Brad Jackson > - Susquehanna, Indianapolis > - WGLD/WGRL/WFMS How good is the sensitivity, selectivity, etc.. on that Aiwa? I remember hearing about that model also a while back. I've considered that one as well as a Sony WM-GX822, but experience with a cheap Aiwa my dad has (or maybe my sister has it now, I forget who) revealed ok sensitivity (compared to my old Panasonic Shockwave), but I thought the SW's selectivity was bad until I listened to the Aiwa. I hope this AM Stereo AIWA is better than the one I listened to (which didn't have AMS)? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 19:21:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87541 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 02:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 02:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 02:21:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 02:20:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 02:20:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: question about Fanfare AM reception capabilities... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 288 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Using a Fanfare FT-A100, listening from El Cajon, CA, is there a way I could hear WJR 760 from Detroit? I should mention that there is a 50kW AM on 760 (KFMB) < 10 miles north/northwest of me (but it's the direction in which nulling that station could help boost wjr at the same time). From bjackson@indyradio.com Sun Jun 29 19:23:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85012 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 02:23:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 02:23:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 02:23:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 02:23:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 02:23:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Portibal Radio with AMS and FM and Caset Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 942 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > How good is the sensitivity, selectivity, etc.. on that Aiwa? I > remember hearing about that model also a while back. I've considered > that one as well as a Sony WM-GX822, but experience with a cheap Aiwa > my dad has (or maybe my sister has it now, I forget who) revealed ok > sensitivity (compared to my old Panasonic Shockwave), but I thought > the SW's selectivity was bad until I listened to the Aiwa. I hope > this AM Stereo AIWA is better than the one I listened to (which didn't > have AMS)? I have to admit that the sensitivity isn't all that great. It seems to generate its own electrical interference! But, that said, I *can* pick up KCJJ sitting here in the WGRL studios surrounded by all of our equipment, so it's not *that* bad. And, it picks up WSAI's IBOC hash very nicely ;-) - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 19:49:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49686 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 02:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 02:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 02:49:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20030630024923.28478.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.201] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:49:23 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} question about Fanfare AM reception capabilities... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus I dont have a fanfare:-( but I have a GE Superadio and I am trying to get Magic693 Melbourne(which is AMS) at night but I get 693 in Dunedin NZ instead(about 700 miles away(Melbourne is about 2300 miles)(I am in Auckland NZ)-Is there away of nullifying the unwanted signal? Let alone we have a local on 702 here but that can be got rid of on a superadio. Michael --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > Using a Fanfare FT-A100, listening from El Cajon, > CA, is there a way I > could hear WJR 760 from Detroit? I should mention > that there is a > 50kW AM on 760 (KFMB) < 10 miles north/northwest of > me (but it's the > direction in which nulling that station could help > boost wjr at the > same time). > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 19:53:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63310 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 02:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 02:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 02:53:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 02:53:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 02:53:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Portibal Radio with AMS and FM and Caset Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 644 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Let's see... KCJJ is an E-Band signal, right? I guess they transmit with 10kW omnidirectional daytime. Do you listen during the day? Also, how far are you from where KCJJ is approx? or, is this at night? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > > I have to admit that the sensitivity isn't all that great. It seems > to generate its own electrical interference! But, that said, I *can* > pick up KCJJ sitting here in the WGRL studios surrounded by all of > our equipment, so it's not *that* bad. And, it picks up WSAI's IBOC > hash very nicely ;-) > > - Brad Jackson > - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 20:11:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64861 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 03:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 03:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 03:11:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 03:09:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:09:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} question about Fanfare AM reception capabilities... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030630024923.28478.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1197 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I don't have one either, but I was wondering how good it was at pulling in a distant skywave while rejecting a nearby (10 mile or less distant) groundwave on the same frequency (KFMB is NNW of me, while WJR is NE-ENE. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > I dont have a fanfare:-( but I have a GE Superadio and > I am trying to get Magic693 Melbourne(which is AMS) at > night but I get 693 in Dunedin NZ instead(about 700 > miles away(Melbourne is about 2300 miles)(I am in > Auckland NZ)-Is there away of nullifying the unwanted > signal? Let alone we have a local on 702 here but that > can be got rid of on a superadio. > Michael > --- pianoplayer88key > wrote: > > Using a Fanfare FT-A100, listening from El Cajon, > > CA, is there a way I > > could hear WJR 760 from Detroit? I should mention > > that there is a > > 50kW AM on 760 (KFMB) < 10 miles north/northwest of > > me (but it's the > > direction in which nulling that station could help > > boost wjr at the > > same time). > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From bjackson@indyradio.com Sun Jun 29 20:57:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39818 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 03:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 03:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 03:57:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 03:56:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:56:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Portibal Radio with AMS and FM and Caset Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 535 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Let's see... KCJJ is an E-Band signal, right? I guess they transmit > with 10kW omnidirectional daytime. Do you listen during the day? > Also, how far are you from where KCJJ is approx? > or, is this at night? > I listen to KCJJ at night. During the day, the only expanded band station I can get is 1680 (Now Radio Ditsey...I mean Disney) from Grand Rapids. I'm not sure the mileage...But KCJJ is in Iowa City, and I'm in Indianapolis. From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 00:13:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87544 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 07:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 07:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 07:13:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 07:12:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:12:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5250 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.16.233 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > > wrote: > > > > So then, to retain compatibility, sideband modulation needs to be > at > > > 50% per sideband. So then, wouldn't both QUAM and C-QUAM need to > > > maintain 50% modulation in each of the I and Q channels? Or at > least > > > maintain balance somehow by parity never exceeding 100% total > > > modulation for both channels? (ie: full mono @ 100%, full > difference > > > at I=50%, Q=50%) > > > > Yes that's pretty much so except when L=R which is a mono signal > > there is no signal on the Q channel since that is L-R and there is > > no separation. With C-QuAM this is also true during stereo > > separation since the envelope always = L+R. With QuAM this is a > > different story as the envelope never achieves -100% modulation > > since the Q channel is at it's peak when the I channel is at -100% > > modulation during stereo separation so the enbelope is at the level > > of the Q channel. This is one of the benefits of C-QuAM over QuAM > > during transmittion. > > Actually, considering 90deg on a sine wave, if the I is at -100%, the > Q would be at 0, not +100%. Add to that, there usually is a delay > with the Q signal. > > I'm not sure if there really is an advantage here with C-QUAM over > QUAM in transmission, in this regard. > > > I guess some of these matrix processors control downward modulation > > to some extent before the signal goes to the exciter. > > A cheesy way to maintain carrier modulation without clipping from > negative modulation is to introduce some low-level DC to keep > modulation from going further than -95 to -98%. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I take a few days hiatus and am pleasntly suprised at the sheer volume of messages here in the forum. Good going group! Maybe the "low level DC" approach may work, but that is really the reason for negative peak cliping. As to the question of what "1+L+R" means, 'BTA50G' is right. Allow me to paraph(r)ase. Since we are dealing with a QuAM signal, let's take a look at the L-R component of the signal. Since this signal is supressed carrier, it can either go + (upward), or - (downward). When there is no L-R audio, (DJ chatter, ad nauseum), there is no L-R component to the "carrier" being transmitted. We can look at the L+R RF signal in much the same way. What makes it AM instead of supressed carrier, is that there is a carrier. This seemingly obvious component (the carrier), in all of this is the "1" term in "1+L+R". Going back to the above example of L-R and relating to it here, when L+R is upward 100% then L+R also equals 1. Thus we have a peak envelope twice the average carrier. Likewise on 100% downward modulation, L+R equals -1, and pinches off the carrier for the brief moment of the peak. When L+R audio is quiet (the DJ shuts up), we're left with the carrier only, "1". One problem with simple QuAM is that envelope detectors in most monaural receivers see only the vector addition of the L+R AM and L-R DSSC signals. In my Quampliphase paper, I show where L-R is received on such a radio. Thus the necessity of limiting the QuAM signal and using the angular result of it to modulate the carrier. When I started this endeavor many moons ago, it was my hope to, like you, build a better mous... err... C-QuAM encoder, but found it just generated simple QuAM, albeit via a different method. Then I thought about it a bit more, and discovered that we could also use 2 AM signals in quadrature, each fed with it's own stereo channel. At that point, Quampliphase was no longer a destination, just a stop along the way. This also made for a simpler method of generating simple QuAM. I said to myself, "self, what took you so long?!" Yet another question is raised in the search for a better C-QuAM encoder, this from the Motorola data. Quoting from "an introduction... ... AM Stereo", "... any sequence of operations which results in L-R is a valid decoding algorithm. Even non-PLL decoders are allowed since a discriminator, integrator, tangent function sequence results in L-R." According to the Marik patent, (thanks again), this signal is also multiplied by L+R before going on to the matrix (fig 4). The "guzinta" and "guzouta" of the tangent function generator is shown in fig 2 of the same patent. Now pondering, hmmmm. Since encoding anything can be the reverse of decoding it, well, you get the picture. Reminds me of the FM MPX discussion when I jumped in this pond. Looks like more (pleasantly) sleepless nights ahead. As to the question, "what have YOU done for AM Stereo lately", I have spent several hours piecing together a decoder board, using a (hopefully) MC13022 chip extracted from a Delco. Intended home, the Yamaha T-70. Yes, the tuner has a discriminator, but not enough limiting before it. Still I swear I could hear some seperation using a reverse M-S Blumlein arrangement of speakers. And working on a simpler QuAM encoder (STILL in the planing stages, not quite to breadboard yet). The list goes on. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Mon Jun 30 00:25:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40912 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 07:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 07:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.174) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 07:25:37 -0000 Received: from user-1222.bbd06wfd.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.44.198] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Wt0i-0003oJ-H6 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:23:36 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:22:18 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Powell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Hi Powell, Yes, SC as in South Carolina. You know how it is, never enough time. I flew in Charlotte and drove down across the border to visit friends in Greenville, then visited WPCI to collect his spare stereo generator and check out their elevated ground system. To Charlotte to meet engineer consultant William Culpepper then non stop to Pa. Sorry I missed you. There are a bunch of people I should like to meet. Maybe next time. Regards -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 01:58:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93667 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 08:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 08:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 08:58:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 08:57:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:57:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1245 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: =snip= Thanks for adding in your comments here, I do appreciate it! :) And yes, I look forward to seeing the rest of your paper sometime. :) Now, what may be surprising here, at least on my part, is that I'm trying to design a simpler C-QUAM generator in this thread, but rather, trying to "fudge" C-QUAM with plain QUAM, with a minimal, negligable distortion in either mono or C-QUAM reception, that could be useful to the experimentor/Part-15 low-power broadcaster. Inspiration for this idea came from two sources: Jerry WA2FNQ's pseudo-Magnavox/Belar approach to a pseudo-C-QUAM that seems to work on a TM-152 with SW-to-MW downconverter; and the Japanese AM stereo files, that were apparently received in QUAM mode, rather than C-QUAM. Since just about every AMS system has stereo elements receivable in every other system, with varying degrees of compatibility and distortion, the idea here is to substitute, or "fudge", to get acceptable results, and perhaps expand the AMS horizons & learning process along the way- To encourage experimentation. :) How sucxcessful will this be, I don't know, but I thought I would try. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 07:57:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46740 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 14:57:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 14:57:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12808.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 14:57:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20030630145749.46846.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:57:49 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20T.?=" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > and the Japanese AM stereo files, that were apparently received > in QUAM mode, rather than C-QUAM. Just to clarify, only the skywave DX recordings of 1287 JOHR were specifically marked as being received in QUAM mode. Thus, it can be assumed that the rest were received with full C-QUAM decoding (although with the MC13022 chip's Stereo Blend feature disabled). As for transmitting pure QUAM, that might be okay for experimental/ hobby use, but for full-fledged use, mono receiver compatibility is an important enough of an issue that both Motorola and Harris devised their own methods of dealing with it. Harris was always closer to a pure QUAM signal, but their system eventually became too complex for its own good, both on the transmitter and receiver side -- as opposed to the Magnavox system, which probably failed because it was too *simple* of a system (and of course it didn't help that only six stations are known to have regularly broadcast in Magnavox AM Stereo!). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From amstereorules@msn.com Mon Jun 30 10:04:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81227 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 17:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 17:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 17:04:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 17:04:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:04:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 556 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >Yes that's pretty much so except when L=R which is a mono signal >there is no signal on the Q channel since that is L-R Actually there IS a 25Hz sine wave pilot tone at 4% modulation. >As to the question, "what have YOU done for AM Stereo lately", I >have spent several hours piecing together a decoder board, using a >(hopefully) MC13022 chip extracted from a Delco. Delco used "modified" MC13020 IC (24-pin) in the first generation, and "modified" MC13022 IC (28-pin)in their last generation of MW stereo. - Mario Remember, AMStereoRules From amstereorules@msn.com Mon Jun 30 10:06:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87812 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 17:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 17:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 17:06:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 17:06:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:06:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: question about Fanfare AM reception capabilities... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 324 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >Using a Fanfare FT-A100, listening from El Cajon, CA, is there a way >I could hear WJR 760 from Detroit? I should mention that there is >a 50kW AM on 760 (KFMB) < 10 miles north/northwest of me No, not directly from the air nowadays. You can hear WJR stream on the Internet, though. - Mario Remember, AMStereoRules From jon@kenneke.com Mon Jun 30 10:07:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19337 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 17:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 17:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 17:07:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5UH7EB28729 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:07:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:07:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kahn Powerside.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: jon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664 X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke Hi folks, I take care of a couple of stations that have Kahn Powerside units (which are also Kahn stereo generators). Currently, one of the stations has the unit bypassed, and the other is using powerside. The powersides are a pain to adjust, since they interact with the processing (in this case Orban 8200). Also, the components are aging as well. I am proposing to the station to pull the units out, and adjust the Orban processsing correctly. Anyone ever mess around with these units? It's amazing how much rack space they take up. They use up more space than the 1Kw solid-state transmitter. Jon From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 10:14:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96223 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 17:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 17:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 17:14:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 17:14:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:14:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 822 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 65.68.0.52 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > >Yes that's pretty much so except when L=R which is a mono signal > >there is no signal on the Q channel since that is L-R > Actually there IS a 25Hz sine wave pilot tone at 4% modulation. > > >As to the question, "what have YOU done for AM Stereo lately", I > >have spent several hours piecing together a decoder board, using a > >(hopefully) MC13022 chip extracted from a Delco. > Delco used "modified" MC13020 IC (24-pin) in the first generation, > and "modified" MC13022 IC (28-pin)in their last generation of MW > stereo. > > - Mario > > Remember, > AMStereoRules Pleeeeeeease tell me the "modified" '022 is a pin for pin replacement of the original. My sanity (what little is left of it) is at stake here. :) From marcelo@radioclube.com.br Mon Jun 30 10:21:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: marcelo@radioclube.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55845 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 17:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 17:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 17:21:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 17:21:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:21:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: See !!! 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ViewItem&item=3033202405&category=3274$ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 10:41:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48622 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 17:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 17:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 17:40:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 17:40:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:40:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030630145749.46846.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3909 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > and the Japanese AM stereo files, that were apparently received > > in QUAM mode, rather than C-QUAM. > > Just to clarify, only the skywave DX recordings of 1287 JOHR were > specifically marked as being received in QUAM mode. Thus, it can > be assumed that the rest were received with full C-QUAM decoding > (although with the MC13022 chip's Stereo Blend feature disabled). And all were recorded on apparently the same equipment. > As for transmitting pure QUAM, that might be okay for experimental/ > hobby use, but for full-fledged use, mono receiver compatibility is > an important enough of an issue that both Motorola and Harris > devised their own methods of dealing with it. Harris was always > closer to a pure QUAM signal, but their system eventually became > too complex for its own good, both on the transmitter and receiver > side -- as opposed to the Magnavox system, which probably failed > because it was too *simple* of a system (and of course it didn't > help that only six stations are known to have regularly broadcast > in Magnavox AM Stereo!). Mono compatibility was also as much an issue in the AMS experiments of the 1950s and 1960s, where there were also several versions of QUAM amongst the proposals. They had apparently thought QUAM was sufficiently compatible. Harmonics may have been the issue, though. As for Magnavox, it actually WAS the better of the four systems (as of 1982), but a number of factors not apparently related to the performance of Magnavox's AM/PM system were responsible for the lack of adoption, including Harris' objections in 1980 after having invested in getting about a dozen stations outfitted with its own system, which resulted in the FCC's rescinding the mandate for Magnavox as the standard, to a lack of effort on Magnavox's part to promote its own system in the competitive market (only one of the 6 Mangnavox stations was west of the Mississippi, in Washington state) to licensing requirements that didn't encourage others to adopt (Magnavox originally had planned on flooding the market with its own radios, but not, apparently, licensing the system out to others), and so forth. Of all the AM stereo systems ever proposed over the last 80 years, the best performers were by far RCA's AM/FM and Magnavox's AM/PM systems, which also turned out to have been trhe simplest to implement, both in transmitter and receiver design. Simple QUAM would have also been easy to implement, but didn't perform quite as well, although it was not a slouch in performance, either. Every major system proposed had its advantages and disadvantages. The one that I think had the most disadvantages was Harris, especially in its original variable-phased QUAM mode. The plumbing was too complex to work as intended. ISB was probably the most mono-incompatible simply because it was an Independent Sideband system, which wreaks hell on envelope detection. C-QUAM, while having the best mono compatibility of any QUAM system, sacrifices simplicity for the compatibility (the question is, how much difference did it really make?), using a complicated system of 3 detectors- Envelope, synchronous (I and Q), and phase- to compensate for what is sacrificed for compatibility. The Belar system, thanfully, never got past the original late '70s and early '80s FCC evaluations, since it limited stereo separation to 6kHz, unlike the RCA system, which was proposed to be effective out to 10kHz. (RCA never put a limit on its FM component, but did intend to keep within the 10kHz window for the sake of minimizing interference, predating the NRSC curve.) And then there's pseudo-compatibility, by using a 25Hz pilot in the L- R to trigger C-QUAM decoders. How effective? Well, it worked for Harris, when they converted their stations. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dougharding@mindspring.com Mon Jun 30 11:04:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95248 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 18:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 18:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 18:04:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 18:03:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:03:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: See !!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 180 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Jo=E3o Marcelo Franchozza wrote: > For who it has much $$$$$$ >=20 >EBAY ITEM 3033202405 I wonder if Bill Gates shops on Ebay? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 11:09:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6601 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 18:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 18:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 18:09:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 18:09:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:09:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Portibal Radio with AMS and FM and Caset Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 787 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > Let's see... KCJJ is an E-Band signal, right? I guess they transmit > > with 10kW omnidirectional daytime. Do you listen during the day? > > Also, how far are you from where KCJJ is approx? > > or, is this at night? > > > > I listen to KCJJ at night. During the day, the only expanded band > station I can get is 1680 (Now Radio Ditsey...I mean Disney) from > Grand Rapids. I'm not sure the mileage...But KCJJ is in Iowa City, > and I'm in Indianapolis. What daytime AM stations do you get with that radio? (That's what I use to check sensitivity on an AM radio, cause nighttime skywave is too variable.) From amstereorules@msn.com Mon Jun 30 11:26:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25289 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 18:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 18:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 18:26:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 18:26:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:26:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: See !!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >For who it has much $$$$$$ >EBAY ITEM 3033202405 This is absolutely insane price. - Mario Remember, AMStereoRules From amstereorules@msn.com Mon Jun 30 11:44:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83155 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 18:41:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 18:41:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 18:41:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 18:40:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:40:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 819 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >Pleeeeeeease tell me the "modified" '022 is a pin for pin >replacement of the original. My sanity (what little is left of it) >is at stake here. :) This is the pinout of the Delco house chip, actually produced by Motorola: Pin 1: Envelope Pin 2: IF in Pin 3: Regulator out Pin 4: Noise Blank Pin 5: AGC In Pin 6: Stop sense Pin 7: Left Audio Out Pin 8: Left Filter Pin 9: Left In Pin 10: Left Hold Pin 11: Right Hold Pin 12: Right In Pin 13: Right Filter Pin 14: Right Audio Out Pin 15: Pilot Q Pin 16: Pilot I Pin 17: Dig Ground Pin 18: Filter Q In Pin 19: Osc In Pin 20: Osc FB Pin 21: Stereo lamp Pin 22: Ground Pin 23: Blend Pin 24: Loop Pin 25: Vcc Pin 26: Q Pin 27: L-R Pin 28: I You can compare these pins to the MC13022, and see if it's direct replacement for you. - Mario Remember, AMStereoRules From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jun 30 12:25:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69666 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 19:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 19:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 19:25:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 19:25:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:25:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 580 is now EX Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5091 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking No doubt shadowed [pardon the intended pun] by an awareness of the inability of its 75kw FM transmitter site to deal with the rugged terrain through much of its coverage area, as well as persistent trophosperic conduction interference from other FM stations on the same frequency, CJFX signed off its 25kw AM Stereo transmitter on 580 with little fanfare. A few minutes before 3 pm, announcer Rhonda Howare interviewed Mary MacDonald of Marble Mountain Cape Breton, the winner of the "pick the time we shut off the transmitter contest". After the 3 or so minute interview, there was the sound of a ticking clock, followed by the sound of a crowd of people counting down, 10-9-8 etc. then cheering. Then the AM transmitter went off, and on FM they went right into the 3 pm news. At the end of 3 pm news there was a brief clip from the Assistant GM [where was the GM for this occassion???] and that was it. Oh yes, they played a few old 580 jingles earlier that day. Sounded like William B. Tanner stuff to my ears. Compared to the glowing tribute to 1410 given by arch rival CIGO 101.5 The Hawk, you would think that X-FM, more fittingly EX-AM, had just shut down a 250 watt transmitter that couldn't reach the manager's house at night, rather than a 25kw powerhouse that used to reach listeners in Nova Scotia, PEI, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Quebec - 5 of Canada's 10 Provinces. 1943 - 2003 CJFX 580 Khz 60 Years of Regional Coverage, now replaced with a 50 mile coverage radius, with co-channel interference in western portions [most mornings] of its 0.5 mv/m contour. 580 Historical Highlights [what was ignored]: March 1943 - Sign on during the middle of WWII, with rebuilt and home brewed equipment courtesy of the genius of St.F.X.U. physics professor Fr. Clarke. 1000 watts with two towers a little over 100 feet each. Transmitter site - Post Road, just west of the Town of Antigonish. In spite of this low power, the station had a reasonable signal in Sydney NS and gave CJCB its first taste of competition. General Manager, J. Clyde Nunn. 1947 - power upgraded to 5000 watts. 1950s - Various developments in programing, including the first rock and roll programming, and a new show called "Phone Fun Time", featuring music and call in contributions from listeners in 5 provinces. 1961 - As a result of J. Clyde Nunn being elected MLA for Inverness County in the Nova Scotia legislature, Bruce F. Rafuse appointed assistant General Manager. 1964 - Power increased to 10,000 watts. Towers increased in height to one 270 foot tower and one 300 foot tower. 1970 - Death of J. Clyde Nunn. Bruce Rafuse becomes GM. 1971 - first CJFX cruiser - a 1971 Dodge panel van, well decked out with the stations logo. Slogan - Friendly 58 radio. 1972 - Opening of satellite studios and offices in Port Hawkesbury NS [35 miles away]. Linked initially with a 10kc line, later with a UHF link. 1973 - Todays Opinions, CJFX's talk show, takes to the air. 1975 - CIGO goes on the air. Strong nighttime interference from WPOP Hartford Conn plagues this competing new station. 1976 - Mike-Line - a 5 minute roving intervue program, takes to the air. 1977 - Two years after its competitor takes to the airwaves, CJFX posts its highest ever BBMs, beating out CHNS and CJCH in Halifax, based on 7:30 to 8:00 a.m. To keep with the "I Go CIGO" slogan, a CJFX announcer promptly replies, "We have a new slogan too, - 'Better than Sex, CJFX'" This slogan never went to air - such a shame! 1978 - CIGO acquires an Orban Optimod, and the loudness war begins. CJFX's circa 1964 RCA 10 kw transmitter has its modulation raised from 85% to 98%. The result: glass all over the transmitter building floor. Back to 85% modulation. 1980 - Death of Bruce Rafuse. David Maclean [a former executive assistant to Alan MacEachen - the then deputy Prime Minister of Canada] becomes GM. 1982 - 10 kw Nautel Amfet 10 purchased. 1991 - Transmitter site moved to Pleasant Valley, power increased to 25kw [another Nautel] and broadcasting in CQUAM AM Stereo commences. Roughly $1 million for this project, most of which was financed by the sale of the land for the old AM site. 1998 - 2.75 kw FM transmitter site - 98.9 - commences operation in December to fill in the extreme null necessary from the AM power increase to 25 kw. CRTC makes approval conditional on CJFX moving to exclusive FM by August 2004. 2003 - In January, application for 75.4 kw of Class C1 FM approved by CRTC. Early spring - One [of two] AM tower dismantled and reassembled on Connor's Mountain for high power FM, and the AM operates with an omnidirectional pattern. On air testing commences in April on 98.9, now upgraded from Class B to Class C1. 2003 - First regular taste of interference [reoccurring Troph]from C98 in saint John New Brunswick noted in western portions of the FM 0.5 mv/m contour. June 30, 2003 - AM transmitter site on 580 Khz shut down at 3 p.m. after holding a contest to choose the official shut down time. Phil R. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Jun 30 13:06:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93177 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 20:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 20:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 20:06:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 20:06:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:06:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 685 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > Since just about every AMS system has stereo elements receivable in > every other system, with varying degrees of compatibility and > distortion, the idea here is to substitute, or "fudge", to get > acceptable results, and perhaps expand the AMS horizons & learning > process along the way- To encourage experimentation. :) > > How sucxcessful will this be, I don't know, but I thought I would > try. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ That's pretty much what Sony did with their 4-Way decoders using an envelope detector and a magnavox type phase detector. Their system obtained <5% THD in all 4 modes. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Jun 30 13:46:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26438 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 20:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 20:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 20:46:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 20:46:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:45:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2221 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > ISB was probably the most mono-incompatible simply because it was an > Independent Sideband system, which wreaks hell on envelope detection. > C-QUAM, while having the best mono compatibility of any QUAM system, > sacrifices simplicity for the compatibility (the question is, how > much difference did it really make?), using a complicated system of 3 > detectors- Envelope, synchronous (I and Q), and phase- to compensate > for what is sacrificed for compatibility. > Actually for all the non-linear systems Kahn had the best envelope compatibility @ 9.4% THD according to the article in Dec '78 issue Popular Electronics and the next best was Belar @ 9.8% THD. Motorola & Magnavox were tied @ 11.7% THD. These were for a butterworth IF filter and the measurements for an ellipical filter were much worse for all these systems. All systems including Harris, @ .9% THD, and the other non-linear ones were ~3-4% THD had much lower THD when a synchronously tuned (Flat Group Delay Gussuian Type) filter was used. What does this mean for mono radios where most of them have butterworth type IF filters? For all the non-linear systems the distortion would be around 10% which kind of defeats the purpose for the envelope compatibility though a non-linear design. The variable phase Harris system's THD for Butterworth was 2.2% making it the best. The other side to this is what it does for stereo reception. Harris took a hit in lower s/n ratio with its VCPM system and C-QuAM was the most sensitive to decoding errors during downward modulation in a high noise environment expanding the noise when the noise floor droped below 24dB for the 1st generation decoders. These problems were later addressed in the newer chip designs. All the non-linear systems except Kahn had issues with noise when approaching -100% modulation. The Kahn decoder along with the characteristics on an ISB signal seemed to handle this gracefully not producing extraneous pops and clicks. The Harris system was completely unaffected with its synchronous detection "showing major strength without distortion" as reported in the Stan Prentiss book. JSG From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Jun 30 14:43:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68728 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 21:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 21:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 21:43:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 21:43:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:43:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: My AM Radio Download Site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3722 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.154 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > wrote: > > For those interested I have a download page with schematics and > > articles about P15AM, carrier current and AM Stereo. > > > > http://www.qsl.net/kc8gpd/Downloads/download1.htm > > Well, now! We get to see WBDH's ISB transmitter schematics! > > Thanks, reverend, for sharing your site with us. :) And thanks to you for pointing out that the WBDH schematic is available there. I gave the schematic a quick once over, and at first was left very confused as to how the envelope modulation is accomplished in the WBDH transmitter, as the "L+R" audio signal didn't seem to go anywhere except to an output jack. Finally I realized that WBDH's claim that they are a "part 15" station is probably just a euphemism, and that this schematic is not really for a complete "ISB" transmitter, but is just for an "ISB" exciter, to work with a separate higher power AM transmitter. I seem also to have drawn the wrong conclusion from the WBDH web site a while back, as to the nature of their "true ISB" signal. By "true ISB" I had assumed that they meant just that, a system where each sideband truly carries one audio channel, without concern for compatibility with monophonic receivers using envelope detectors. Instead I find that the WBDH transmitter, while not a true Kahn ISB transmitter, uses phase modulation to transmit the "L-R" audio signal, providing compatibility with envelope detectors. The WBDH ISB system seems to me to be more of a "C-ISB" system than it does a "true ISB" system. I am having a little trouble understanding how the phase modulator works, does anyone understand how this phase modulator works, and what the network that includes R124 and R125 is for? As best I have been able to piece it together, it seems to be a sort of Rube Goldberg contraption. If I am understanding the circuit correctly, a much more straight forward, and linear, phase modulator could probably be built with the same parts. I haven't tried to decipher the audio circuitry yet, but it doesn't seem to use the "standard" type of 90 degree phase shift networks. Does anyone know if the 90 degree phase shift networks in the WBDH design are just the networks immediately following the matrix op amps, or are the following three op amps in the "L-R" channel, and two op amps in the "L+R" channel, also part of the 90 degree phase shift networks? If the additional op amps are not part of the 90 degree networks, what are they? I'm also confused by the switch across R210 which it is claimed "kills the L-R phasing relationship to the L+R, yielding a QUAM mode system". I can believe that it "kills the L-R phasing relationship to the L+R", but without analyzing it, I find it harder to believe that the switch gives the same phase shift in each channel, "yielding a QUAM mode system". Usually the 90 degree audio phase shift is accomplished as a 90 degree phase difference between two networks, one in the "L+R" channel, and one in the "L-R" channel, which have a phase difference of 90 degrees between them at audio frequencies, but individually have a much larger cumulative phase shift. In that sort of system, a switch would have to either disconnect both networks, or modify one to have the same phase characteristic as the other, and it isn't obvious to me that this switch does either, at least not across entire audio band. So, does anyone have a description from the horses mouth of how the audio phase shift networks, and the phase modulator work? It would save some analysis. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Jun 30 15:34:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6655 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 22:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 22:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 22:34:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 22:34:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:34:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: question about Fanfare AM reception capabilities... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 491 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.154 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" < pianoplayer88key@y...> wrote: > Using a Fanfare FT-A100, listening from El Cajon, CA, is there a way > I could hear WJR 760 from Detroit? I should mention that there is a > 50kW AM on 760 (KFMB) < 10 miles north/northwest of me (but it's > the direction in which nulling that station could help boost wjr at > the same time). I think you will have to wait for the "Omega" version to come out before attempting that feat. John From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 16:25:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10215 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 23:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 23:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41008.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.7) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 23:25:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20030630232523.54226.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.42.77] by web41008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:25:23 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAO: Scott re WLYC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio So you had to sell WLYC? 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 16:53:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5503 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2003 23:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2003 23:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2003 23:52:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2003 23:52:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:52:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Delco chip vs. MC13022 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1749 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is the pinout of the Delco house chip, actually produced > by Motorola: {snip} > You can compare these pins to the MC13022, and see if it's direct > replacement for you. That appears to be a modified form of the MC13022, with an AMAX- compliant Noise Blanking circuit built-in. Most of the pin assignments are different compared to the standard MC13022 chip. Apparently Delco chose to make their own custom design, rather than using Motorola's MC13122 chip, which is the same thing as the MC13022 except with the AMAX Noise Blanking feature. However, unlike Delco's design, the MC13122 *is* pin-compatible with the MC13022, except for Pin 15, which is used for "Stop Sense" on the '022, but is changed to the Noise Blanking activation pin on the '122. All other pins, and associated external circuitry, is the same between the two. Delco's AMAX radios (1993-present) are definitely some of the most advanced and sophisticated AM Stereo car radios ever made. They are probably the ultimate in what purely analog circuitry can achieve in terms of high-quality AM reception and audio. Indeed, if every radio had that kind of tuner design, we likely wouldn't even be talking about IBOC. However, digital technology is still our friend, because with digital-based designs like those by Visteon, Motorola, and Blaupunkt, we can get all the benefits of a highly advanced analog tuner design, simplified into a low-cost, easily upgradeable digital chip. Speaking of which, Motorola says the first "Symphony"-equipped radios will arrive in the fourth quarter of this year. Meanwhile, iBiquity has less than half a day left to live up to its claim that the first IBOC-equipped radios would be on the market in June! From oscar@globility.com Mon Jun 30 17:07:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25269 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2003 00:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2003 00:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2003 00:07:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2003 00:07:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:07:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: question about Fanfare AM reception capabilities... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1155 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.224 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" < > pianoplayer88key@y...> wrote: > > Using a Fanfare FT-A100, listening from El Cajon, CA, is there a way > > I could hear WJR 760 from Detroit? > I think you will have to wait for the "Omega" version to come out > before attempting that feat. > > John Before anyone else adds to this string, both comments have to be considered speculative at best. Successfully DXing a station over top of a local is quite a feat indeed, and not something I'd add to the product' pedigree until I heard it for myself. As for the Omega version being the deciding factor, you must know something I don't, John ;-)). Incidentally, the FTA-100 that John P.reported on did have the tertiary Omega upgrade, as does Doug Harding's. As a means of keeping the members here in the loop, I've just heard from two more FTA-100 owners whe were reporting considerable noise reduction on the AM band with the installation of the Omega tertiary upgrade. This is in comparison with the unit's performance prior to upgrade. M.S. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 17:09:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13021 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2003 00:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2003 00:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2003 00:09:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2003 00:09:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:09:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1095 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That's pretty much what Sony did with their 4-Way decoders using > an envelope detector and a magnavox type phase detector. Their > system obtained <5% THD in all 4 modes. And indeed, the AMAX specification for battery-powered portable radios had its distortion spec relaxed to 5% in order to allow use of Sony's "ex-multi-system" decoder design, as used in the Sony SRF-42. Indeed, I think the AMAX specs were adapted to fit the design of the Sony SRF-42, rather than the other way around. It's just a bit too coincidental that the SRF-42 makes use of *all* the "battery-powered portable" loopholes in the AMAX specifications. The AMAX specs also say nothing to disallow its "forced Stereo" reception. BTW, the latest production run of the GE Superadio III no longer has the AMAX logo on the box, and instead uses the term "AM Accent". It appears to compliant with all the applicable AMAX specs, except for its lack of a 10 kHz whistle filter. Does anyone know if the original production run of the Superadio III (with the AMAX logo on the box) had a whistle filter or not? From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jun 30 18:10:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14868 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2003 01:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2003 01:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2003 01:10:15 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-201.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.201]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h6119QQ0002215 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:10:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009001c33f6d$a4df7940$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn Powerside.. Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:10:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No, but everyone else I know of that has worked with them describes pretty much the same thing. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "jon" > The powersides are a pain to adjust, since they interact with the > processing (in this case Orban 8200). Also, the components are aging as > well. I am proposing to the station to pull the units out, and adjust the > Orban processsing correctly. > > Anyone ever mess around with these units? > they take up. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Tue Jul 01 00:54:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91116 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2003 07:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2003 07:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.19) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2003 07:54:26 -0000 Received: from user-1222.bbd06wfd.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.44.198] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19XFy5-00042y-Ai for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:54:25 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:53:17 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WLYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Jay, The sale in fact never was finalised due to horrendous messing about by the sellers and their agent. We had a good lawyer in DC but without both parties working towards a conclusion of the sale you are up the creek. However, we did of course have permission to run the station while this was going on. The sellers in the end worked themselves into a corner and Cindy, the current GM and her group did in fact end up successfully acquiring the station. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Tue Jul 01 07:06:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7506 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2003 14:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2003 14:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2003 14:05:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2003 14:05:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:05:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1213 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 65.68.0.52 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > >Pleeeeeeease tell me the "modified" '022 is a pin for pin > >replacement of the original. My sanity (what little is left of it) > >is at stake here. :) > This is the pinout of the Delco house chip, actually produced > by Motorola: > > Pin 1: Envelope > Pin 2: IF in > Pin 3: Regulator out > Pin 4: Noise Blank > Pin 5: AGC In > Pin 6: Stop sense > Pin 7: Left Audio Out > Pin 8: Left Filter > Pin 9: Left In > Pin 10: Left Hold > Pin 11: Right Hold > Pin 12: Right In > Pin 13: Right Filter > Pin 14: Right Audio Out > Pin 15: Pilot Q > Pin 16: Pilot I > Pin 17: Dig Ground > Pin 18: Filter Q In > Pin 19: Osc In > Pin 20: Osc FB > Pin 21: Stereo lamp > Pin 22: Ground > Pin 23: Blend > Pin 24: Loop > Pin 25: Vcc > Pin 26: Q > Pin 27: L-R > Pin 28: I > > You can compare these pins to the MC13022, and see if it's direct > replacement for you. > > - Mario > > Remember, > AMStereoRules Not what I was wanting to see. Well, anyway, is it possible for me to see an example of the chip in circuit? A JPG scan of the page from the s/m would do nicely. And yes, you can post it directly to my Yahoo mailbox. Thanks. From g_keighron@yahoo.ie Tue Jul 01 07:36:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: g_keighron@yahoo.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41162 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2003 14:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2003 14:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21501.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2003 14:36:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20030701143652.74375.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web21501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:36:52 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn Powerside.. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?G.=20Keighron?=" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138665970 X-Yahoo-Profile: g_keighron > No, but everyone else I know of that has worked with them describes > pretty much the same thing. Power-Side is a very divisive system. Some people swear by it, while others swear _at_ it. And unless carefully adjusted, it does tend to produce dull, distorted audio. But there are still some stations installing new Power-Side equipment -- such as 1600 WWRL in New York, although that's likely influenced by the fact that Kahn Communications' main offices are located in NYC. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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(That's what I > use to check sensitivity on an AM radio, cause nighttime skywave is > too variable.) Daytime I can get WGN and WLS from Chicago, WJR from Detroit, and WZZB from Seymour on it. - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - http://www.indyradio.com From g_keighron@yahoo.ie Tue Jul 01 07:44:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: g_keighron@yahoo.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26995 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2003 14:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2003 14:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21502.mail.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.13) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2003 14:44:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20030701144436.17298.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web21502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:44:36 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IBOC show in Minneapolis To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?G.=20Keighron?=" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138665970 X-Yahoo-Profile: g_keighron from www.radioworld.com Conclave Looks at Digital Radio If you're planning to be in the Twin Cities area in July, you might plan on stopping by the Conclave Learning Conference to hear the latest about terrestrial radio's digital transition. "IBOC, The Nuts & Bits" will be at the Minneapolis Marriott City Center on July 18. Omnia Audio President Frank Foti and Susquehanna Radio's Max Turner will lead the session. Register at: http://www.theconclave.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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Jay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From amstereoforum@widgets.acme.com Tue Jul 01 12:40:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoforum@widgets.acme.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70574 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2003 19:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2003 19:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2003 19:40:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2003 19:40:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 19:40:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: See !!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 91 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "megryan65000" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.52.187 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148564542 X-Yahoo-Profile: megryan65000 This was breathtaking, too: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3031814033 From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jul 01 12:46:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97330 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2003 19:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2003 19:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2003 19:46:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2003 19:46:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 19:46:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Portibal Radio with AMS and FM and Caset Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1294 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > What daytime AM stations do you get with that radio? (That's what I > > use to check sensitivity on an AM radio, cause nighttime skywave is > > too variable.) > > > Daytime I can get WGN and WLS from Chicago, WJR from Detroit, and > WZZB from Seymour on it. > > - Brad Jackson > - Susquehanna, Indianapolis > - http://www.indyradio.com How well do they come in? weak, moderate, strong? Also, about that exp band station in Grand Rapids, is that Grand Rapids, MI? That's some distance away... I can't get KFOX 1650 Torrance and KHPY 1670 Moreno Valley from El Cajon, CA, on my $5 Lennox radio or any other portables, daytime. Some stations I can get from El Cajon, CA, on the Lennox radio are 820 from Mexicali, 970 KNWZ from Coachella, 980 KFWB from Los Angeles, 1070 KNX from Los Angeles (fairly strong), 1280 KFRN from Long Beach, and 1450 KFSD from Escondido. Nighttime I can get KFBK Sacramento, KCBS San Francisco, KOMA Oklahoma City (some of the time), KKOB Albuquerque (with severe adjacent channel interference from 50kW KFMB), and XEROK 800 (with co channel interference from ESPN Radio 800 Tijuana). From alfredot@inetarena.com Tue Jul 01 15:29:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23470 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2003 22:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2003 22:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2003 22:29:10 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust162.tnt16.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [67.227.163.162]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h61MO6V8002791 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:27:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... In-Reply-To: <1056466738.629.38069.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > This is one of the reasons why we built an AM tuner. However, > mediocrity is not a word I wish to be associated with and I'm very > pleased to hear (per John P and Doug H's comments) we've made it over > that hurdle. The next stop is to get some air from Chicago's WGN from > a location about 30 miles north of the windy city. > > Any information anyone can provide on confirmed AM-stereo stations > operating into major markets would be most gratefully appreciated. > > M.S. How 'bout Portland, OR? Locally, we have KKPZ 1330, KKSN 1520, and KDZR 1640. Groundwave from KKNX 840 from Eugene can be heard, though noisily. Under odd conditions, I have also been able to hear KBSU 730 from Boise, ID when conditions are right. Alfredo From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Jul 01 17:16:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90480 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2003 00:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2003 00:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2003 00:16:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2003 00:16:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 00:16:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1442 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alfredo E. Torrejon" wrote: > > This is one of the reasons why we built an AM tuner. However, > > mediocrity is not a word I wish to be associated with and I'm very > > pleased to hear (per John P and Doug H's comments) we've made it over > > that hurdle. The next stop is to get some air from Chicago's WGN from > > a location about 30 miles north of the windy city. > > > > Any information anyone can provide on confirmed AM-stereo stations > > operating into major markets would be most gratefully appreciated. > > > > M.S. > > How 'bout Portland, OR? Locally, we have KKPZ 1330, KKSN 1520, > and KDZR 1640. Groundwave from KKNX 840 from Eugene can be heard, though > noisily. Under odd conditions, I have also been able to hear KBSU 730 > from Boise, ID when conditions are right. > > Alfredo How far are those stations from you? Farthest I have heard with an unaided radio (although barely, and under some conditions) on groundwave (from El Cajon, CA) are 1340 from Santa Barbara and 660 from Orcutt (near Santa Maria). With a Select-A-Tenna, I have heard KGO from San Francisco on a couple occasions. Also, with a portable, try tuning in a weak station, then putting it on a chain link fence (or something else metal, or in some cases holding it up to a power pole with a ground wire running down the pole), and see how much stronger (if it does) the signal gets. From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Jul 01 18:54:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98387 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2003 01:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2003 01:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2003 01:54:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:54:22 -0700 Received: from 172.139.241.161 by bay7-dav32.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:54:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn Powerside.. Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:54:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2003 01:54:22.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBAD29C0:01C3403C] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.139.241.161] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jon wrote: > The powersides are a pain to adjust, since they interact with the processing (in this case Orban 8200). Also, the components are aging as well. I am proposing to the station to pull the units out, and adjust the Orban processsing correctly. Why on Earth is an AM Powerside station running an OPTIMOD-FM 8200. Digital Audio Processor with Stereo Encoder? What are they using for NRSC filtering? > > Anyone ever mess around with these units? I have re-tuned them, and repaired one after a lightning strike killed it. Kevin From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Wed Jul 02 01:11:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86331 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2003 08:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2003 08:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.172) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2003 08:11:23 -0000 Received: from user-1222.bbd06wfd.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.44.198] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Xci3-0005K0-2k for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 09:11:23 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:10:13 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WLYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Jay, No, we no longer have any dealings with Cindy and her group. AFAIK they do not intend to go stereo. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 02 02:19:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52488 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2003 09:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2003 09:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41006.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2003 09:19:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20030702091921.87971.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.38.232] by web41006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 02:19:21 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLYC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Sorry to hear about the previous owner trying to pull shenanigans (sp.?) on your group. Are there any future radio plans for your group? 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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Item # 3033176214 ebay, ends in 4 days, From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Wed Jul 02 11:37:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61415 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2003 18:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2003 18:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2003 18:37:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2003 18:37:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 18:37:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 589 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 65.68.0.52 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb =snip= > > Also, with a portable, try tuning in a weak station, then putting it > on a chain link fence (or something else metal, or in some cases > holding it up to a power pole with a ground wire running down the > pole), and see how much stronger (if it does) the signal gets. An old trick of crystal radio fans is to use the dial stop of a rotary telephone. These days that works only if the lines are above ground. I do something similar, I use the black "unconnected" wire. This doesn't tie up the phone and allows sufficient capacitive coupling to the line. GREAT reception! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 02 16:04:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63895 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2003 23:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2003 23:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2003 23:04:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2003 23:04:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 23:04:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC: It's all over... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1465 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics A number of significant incentives for stations to begin using the IBOC/"HD Radio" system are now no longer valid, as they expired at the end of June. This means that any stations still wanting to use IBOC at this point will have to pay licensing fees to iBiquity for as long as they use it. Here are the details of the now-expired incentive plan: * The first 125 for-profit commercial stations to enter into a station license agreement after Feb. 1, 2003, will have the fee for the lifetime audio license limited to $5,000. * All non-commercial/non-profit stations that enter into a station license agreement on or before June 30, 2003, will have the fee for the lifetime audio license waived completely. * All incentives are contingent upon the licensed station making its best commercial effort to: (i) commence digital broadcasting by June 30, 2003, and (ii) continue to transmit in digital until at least Dec. 31, 2004. Also, Kenwood's prediction of having their first batch of IBOC- equipped car radios delivered to retailers in June is also now past, with plenty of "HD Radio-ready" receivers on store shelves, but no sign of any radios that actually include the necessary IBOC / "HD Radio" circuitry. Kenwood still claims that full-fledged sale of IBOC-equipped radios will begin in August -- we'll see! Kenwood's "HD Radio-ready" car radios at least include RDS on FM, but alas, no AM Stereo, nor even any kind of hi-fi mono AM. From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jul 02 18:14:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2018 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2003 01:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2003 01:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2003 01:14:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2003 01:14:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 01:14:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: It's all over... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 731 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g How do you know "it's all over"? Is this just wishful thinking on your part? You know it isn't really over until the fat lady sings. Digital is the future, and it will happen eventually, even if it isn't exactly the system proposed by iBiquity. Perhaps the NRSC will take matters into their own hands and recommend a hybrid system using iBiquity's data transmission scheme, with someone else's coder, it wouldn't be the first time, iBiquity would just have to deal with it, and equipment builders would have two entities to deal with as far as licensing goes. As far as the incentives go, if iBiquity feels them necessary, there is nothing keeping them from extending the expiration dates, or setting new ones. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 02 18:46:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37730 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2003 01:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2003 01:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2003 01:46:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2003 01:46:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 01:46:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: another Google goof Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 163 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 1. Go to: http://www.google.com 2. Type in: weapons of mass destruction 3. Click on "I'm Feeling Lucky". 4. Do not attempt to adjust your Internet browser.... From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Jul 02 19:47:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97758 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2003 02:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2003 02:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf16aec.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2003 02:47:08 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.35.2.114]) by imf16aec.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030703024707.DAHZ15998.imf16aec.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:47:07 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c3410d$64097eb0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: It's all over... Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:47:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't you get it....It's not a Digital vs. Analog issue. It's An Analog WITH Digital issue. It doesn't work. If there was a new Digital band for former Amplitude Modulation stations..I would be in favor of looking at it. I would be very impartial. Hey, it might work, but the putting of digital sidebands on Analog Stations....for what ? semi hi fi talk......bull crap The IBOC FM I heard sounded ok at times, but others it did not...and we were NOT moving..........and this is supposed to be the saviour of FM broadcasters ? Don't think so. It's even worse for AM. iBiquity wouldn't even play the AM samples. All they said was, they were working on it.....And they said the broadcasting at night issue was going to go away very soon...Soon they would have IBOC on at night. I found this to be a major blowing smoke BS session. I didn't buy it. We will see. IBOC.....I don't think so. I have been in the business over 20 years. I wish the people at iBiquity would listen to the men and women that have been in the trenches. iBiquity is trying to create a market for digital AM and FM. It's not going to work. When I start to recieve e-mails and phone calls about signal issues, then I will be receptive to IBOC, or HD-Radio. My only calls are about PROGRAMMING ! I stated my point....let's hear yours Thanks for a chance to vent ! Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: bta_50g To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: It's all over... How do you know "it's all over"? Is this just wishful thinking on your part? You know it isn't really over until the fat lady sings. Digital is the future, and it will happen eventually, even if it isn't exactly the system proposed by iBiquity. Perhaps the NRSC will take matters into their own hands and recommend a hybrid system using iBiquity's data transmission scheme, with someone else's coder, it wouldn't be the first time, iBiquity would just have to deal with it, and equipment builders would have two entities to deal with as far as licensing goes. As far as the incentives go, if iBiquity feels them necessary, there is nothing keeping them from extending the expiration dates, or setting new ones. John Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jul 03 00:49:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68637 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2003 07:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2003 07:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2003 07:49:39 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.64]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 03:47:28 -0400 Message-ID: <004201c34137$aec10d40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: It's all over... Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 03:49:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Kevin wrote: Also, Kenwood's prediction of having their first batch of IBOC- > equipped car radios delivered to retailers in June is also now past, > with plenty of "HD Radio-ready" receivers on store shelves. (Soon to be seen on the closeout pages of the Crutchfield catalog) > Kenwood's "HD Radio-ready" car radios at least include RDS on FM, but > alas, no AM Stereo, nor even any kind of hi-fi mono AM. (and impossible to convert to am stereo due to the single chip design in which the am mono audio is fed to one pin of the DSP IC) While I'm at it, the lowly Jensen system on the Crutchfield website converts fine to am stereo- BUT- it is NOT for those in a strong RF field area. This is a cool system, in that it includes everything, including wireless headphones and an A/V switching assembly. Has aux input, too- all for $149.00 I cannot offer to do the conversions, but I DO have pix of how to do it. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Thu Jul 03 02:04:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57617 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2003 09:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2003 09:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.19) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2003 09:04:41 -0000 Received: from user-2865.wfd17.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.75.49] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Y01A-0008SZ-IP for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 10:04:40 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:03:16 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WLYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Hello Jay, My two US partners have gone back to their respective day jobs. Bill is op's manager for several large FM's in I believe Corpus Christi, TX, Chuck works for a station at State College in Pa. I'm the foreigner. We are keeping in loose touch should another opportunity arise to purchase a station. However as you can imagine being part of corporate America is somewhat tricky for me being based in London, UK and running a business. I have been offered partnerships with an FM in Ireland (unlicensed) and another FM in mainland Spain where there are large numbers of UK ex-pats with no English language stations to listen to on FM. The local mayor has a rather laid back attitude regarding licensing especially if you look after him at election time with some public service broadcasting! It's the music copyright people who are starting to make noises over there about all the pirates down on the Costa Del Crime, I mean Sol. One can forget about starting a station in the UK of any sort. Far too costly, less than a handful of media companies own 95%+ of all licenses and CC have just landed on our shores. I have found one or two AM's for sale in the US but the fed's only allow a max 20% stake by foreign nationals and these stations are out in the middle of nowhere with just tumbleweed and steers for listeners. To get around the 20% rule I'd have to apply for citizenship like Rupert Murdock! I have equipment and funds but no license. Take care. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From jwelton@nautel.com Thu Jul 03 05:36:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32096 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2003 12:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2003 12:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.25.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2003 12:36:04 -0000 Received: FROM jeff BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Thu Jul 03 09:36:52 2003 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 09:35:11 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: CJCH may be lighting the pilot again soon Message-ID: <3F03F8CA.15656.45AA65@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1056117733.1549.56961.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff_welton Just a quick note to let you know I was talking to the CE for CJCH recently and he let me know that they just got the ASE-2 back from Delta (it was in for service). He had planned to put it back in the air chain in the next "couple of days", so you may be seeing the ST light coming on for 920 again shortly. Not sure how long they've had the stereo exciter out - Phil??? Jeff speaking as an AMS/Halifax radio fan with opinions offered freely and worth what you paid for them. Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 03 05:43:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45155 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2003 12:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2003 12:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2003 12:43:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20030703124340.17085.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 05:43:40 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 05:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WSAI - "We're Solid Adjacent Interference" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yep, that's WSAI new moniker after listening to them at 12:30am Friday morning. 1520 was total white noise toast, the 50KW Iowa station on 1540 (which was totally listenable in the past) was 99% buried under the white noise, but you could almost make-out their audio once every 5 minutes. I believe the 50KW clears have the most to lose with IBOC, even more than the locals that will have a sure death. Imagine IF (not when) WSB, WJR, WABC were to all indulge in IBOC, they would all kill each other's signals in all but their first 40 miles from the tranmitter. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 03 08:51:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98783 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2003 15:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2003 15:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2003 15:51:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2003 15:50:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 15:50:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: It's all over... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1102 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > How do you know "it's all over"? Is this just wishful thinking on > your part? You know it isn't really over until the fat lady sings. The fat lady threw up. It's ( IBOC ) is all over...the 1st adjacent..the second adjacent..... > Digital is the future, and it will happen eventually, even if it isn't > exactly the system proposed by iBiquity. Perhaps the NRSC will take > matters into their own hands and recommend a hybrid system using > iBiquity's data transmission scheme, with someone else's coder, it > wouldn't be the first time, iBiquity would just have to deal with it, > and equipment builders would have two entities to deal with as far as > licensing goes. ANY hybrid system is a loser. The analog signal loses and so does the digital, to the point of being a BIG step backwards in fidelity. > As far as the incentives go, if iBiquity feels them necessary, >there is nothing keeping them from extending the expiration dates, >or setting new ones. > John Until the money runs out. Powell From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Jul 03 09:38:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46913 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2003 16:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2003 16:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2003 16:38:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2003 16:38:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 16:38:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: It's all over... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1063 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.126 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > > > Digital is the future, and it will happen eventually, even if it > > isn't exactly the system proposed by iBiquity. Perhaps the NRSC > > will take matters into their own hands and recommend a hybrid > > system using iBiquity's data transmission scheme, with someone > > else's coder, it wouldn't be the first time, iBiquity would just > > have to deal with it, and equipment builders would have two > > entities to deal with as far as licensing goes. > > ANY hybrid system is a loser. The analog signal loses and so does > the digital, to the point of being a BIG step backwards in fidelity. Powell, as an old friend used to say, "you need to read louder". While phase one of the iBiquity system is an analog/digital "hybrid" system, that's not what the word "hybrid" in the paragraph you quoted above was referring to. The word "hybrid" referred to a system put together by the NRSC using iBiquity's data transmission scheme, and someone else's coder. John From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jul 03 14:04:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78220 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2003 21:04:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2003 21:04:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2003 21:04:55 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-113.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.113]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h63L4nsI022273 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:04:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <010e01c341a6$e27b16c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Portibal Radio with AMS and FM and Caset Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:05:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The big differences is the stations Brad referenced are all 50kW low band AMs, while all the ones you cite are 10kW at the top of the band- huge propagation differences. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > How well do they come in? weak, moderate, strong? > > Also, about that exp band station in Grand Rapids, is that Grand > Rapids, MI? That's some distance away... I can't get KFOX 1650 > Torrance and KHPY 1670 Moreno Valley from El Cajon, CA, on my $5 > Lennox radio or any other portables, daytime. From scott.toenniessen@fmr.com Thu Jul 03 15:28:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scott.toenniessen@fmr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32556 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2003 22:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2003 22:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2003 22:28:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2003 22:28:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 22:27:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WSAI - "We're Solid Adjacent Interference" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030703124340.17085.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 861 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "spt87a" X-Originating-IP: 204.110.135.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=133257283 X-Yahoo-Profile: spt87a --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: I think it is very telling that Infinity has not forged ahead with this. The CE and WBZ was very hot to get IBOC up a few months ago but what happens if all the Infinity sister stations jump on the band wagon - 1010 WINS, 1020 KDKA, 1030 WBZ and 1060 KYW. They can all kiss their skywave good bye (and, since these stations are all in the Northeast, their ground waves in the outlying areas of their pattern will probably be affected). While WSAI is continuing the testing, it seems that Clear Channel is a skeptic. They have also said they figure that 10% of the listeners on their big signals are DX listeners. I think they will want to protect that. They also seem to be the only major radio group with critical comments floating around the internet. - Scott From scott.toenniessen@fmr.com Thu Jul 03 15:33:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scott.toenniessen@fmr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80588 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2003 22:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2003 22:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2003 22:33:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2003 22:33:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 22:33:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WBZ Boston Pops on July 4th Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 645 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "spt87a" X-Originating-IP: 204.110.135.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=133257283 X-Yahoo-Profile: spt87a CBS/Infinity were able to get the broadcast rights for Boston's July 4th celebration featuring the Boston Pops. Aside from network/local WBZ-TV coverage of the event, this handed WBZ radio the right to air the concert live. It's time to pester them to fail over to their backup transmitter tomorrow night so we can hear it in stereo. I sent them an email today. I also pointed out the increasing problems being found with IBOC and the fact the Ford/Chrysler and Cadilliac continue to produce millions of C-Quam reciever per year and asked them to consider installing stereo on their primary transmitter. Hey, can't hurt. - Scott From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 03 20:05:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62846 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2003 03:05:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2003 03:05:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2003 03:04:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2003 03:03:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 03:03:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WSAI - "We're Solid Adjacent Interference" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1150 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > While WSAI is continuing the testing, it seems that Clear Channel > is a skeptic. As I mentioned here before, WSAI's own engineer said he strongly dislikes the fact that they're testing IBOC, and is anxious for it to be over. Apparently, WSAI was chosen for the testing because after using IBOC on 700 WLW's talk format, Clear Channel wanted a high-power AM station with a music format to round out their experimentation with IBOC. More than a DECADE after its inception, IBOC is still in the "wait and see" stage -- but how much longer are they going to wait before they realize that it's a lost cause? The listening public isn't clamoring for digital radio -- they're perfectly okay with regular analog AM and FM, as long as the *programming* appeals to them. Nobody is going to listen to five hours of yodeling, bagpipe music, or polka music if it just doesn't appeal to their tastes -- no matter how good the reception or sound quality is. Of course, good quality -- such as with AM Stereo -- is always a benefit, but only if the core product offering is something that attracts listeners! IBOC = It's Better Off Canceled. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 03 20:08:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62324 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2003 03:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2003 03:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2003 03:05:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2003 03:05:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 03:05:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WBZ Boston Pops on July 4th Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 427 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > CBS/Infinity were able to get the broadcast rights for Boston's > July 4th celebration featuring the Boston Pops. Aside from > network/local WBZ-TV coverage of the event, this handed WBZ radio > the right to air the concert live. Same thing in New York -- 4th Of July music programming will be broadcast on 1010 WINS, Infinity's AM "all-news" station (unfortunately, Mono since 1995) -- not on any of their FM stations. From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Jul 03 21:27:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35451 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2003 04:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2003 04:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.116) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2003 04:27:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 21:24:45 -0700 Received: from 172.148.161.191 by bay7-dav12.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:59:13 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Processors Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:31:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2003 04:24:45.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[32F100F0:01C341E4] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.148.161.191] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Philip de Cadenet wrote: > All of you please keep your ears open for any inexpensive used AMS transmission equipment. I can arrange for DHL to collect on my account. If I find any cheap, or FREE AM stereo gear, It will go into service on my Part 15 station! If anybody wants to donate equipment to the ONLY Celtic music format station in SC, just let me know! :-) Kevin From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Jul 04 04:56:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56477 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2003 11:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2003 11:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2003 11:56:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2003 11:56:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 11:56:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CJCH may be lighting the pilot again soon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F03F8CA.15656.45AA65@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3231 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking That is good news indeed. By my recollection, CJCH has been in mono for 2 to 3 months now. I keep regular tabs on them, on preset number 3 of my 1995 Delco UX-1 variant in my car. Their signal here in PEI is pretty fringe, but their format is so delightfully distinct that I do enjoy listening to them. Its a stretch, but they remind me a bit of a Canadian WQEW - pre-"famous mouse" programming. Listening to CJCH, you are well aware you are listening to a Halifax stations - news, the latest ranglings of HRM City Council, broadcasts of Moosehead games at night during the winter. Unfortunately, here they are plagued by adjacent channel interference from CFBC 930 in Saint John NB. Hmmm, maybe CJCH should switch over to 580 with 50kw - not a bad idea as CFRA is also a CHUM station. Another low end possibility could be 550, CFNB's old frequency. With 50kw on 780, CFDR has the best signal by far here of any Halifax station, with C100 Trophing in at the number two spot signal wise - pretty amazing how far C100's 100kws of FM can sputter in. CFDR has the most horrid programming - canned country under the "KIXX" label [CRTC should make that illegal, as it confuses many people]by day, with large swaths of religious programming at night. Personally, I like to get my religion in church, or a real local church broadcast on Sunday AM, not some diatribe ranting at me for hours every night. Speaking of C100, yesterday afternoon they were coming in well in the car, but horrors, were playing "Brittney Spears"! What is becoming of this world - C100 playing bubble gum pop. I'm not sure of CJLS's status - I suspect their AM on 1340 is now off - I've tried several nights now - nothing but old Class IV babble on 1340. The last going off, they seemed to have a great nightime signal - perhaps some innocent pattern play for the last few days. Here on the edge of CJFX's 75kw FM 0.5mv/m contour, C98 [officially CJYC as I recall in SJ NB] was totally eliminating the EX from the dial. Let's see, 12 kw Class B 120 plus air miles away, versus 75kw Class C1 over 1200 feet above sea level, 50 air miles away, mostly over water - and the Class B 120+ miles away is the winner! Kind of shocking for all those geriatric listeners in Truro and Amherst the EX is bragging about, accustomed to ultra lite rock formula music drivel to start their day with a morning zoo and Led Zepplin, plus temperatures for "Uptown Saint John" rather than for Kirk Street Antigonish. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Welton" wrote: > Just a quick note to let you know I was talking to the CE for CJCH recently and > he let me know that they just got the ASE-2 back from Delta (it was in for > service). He had planned to put it back in the air chain in the next "couple > of days", so you may be seeing the ST light coming on for 920 again shortly. > Not sure how long they've had the stereo exciter out - Phil??? > > Jeff > speaking as an AMS/Halifax radio fan > with opinions offered freely and worth what you paid for them. > Jeff Welton > Nautel Customer Service Dept. > Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 > Fax: 1-902-823-3183 > email: jwelton@n... From n0uiheric@aol.com Fri Jul 04 09:57:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74660 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2003 16:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2003 16:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2003 16:57:56 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1e1.ca852ae (4459) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 12:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e1.ca852ae.2c370c06@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 12:57:42 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: It's all over... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBOC is IN THE PAST...there is no way digital radio will fly in the United States unless a SEPARATE BAND above 1 GHz (1000 MHz) is found. The future is ANALOG ONLY on AM and FM. No digital radio on AM and FM under any circumstances. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jul 05 07:36:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99230 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2003 14:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2003 14:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2003 14:36:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2003 14:36:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 14:36:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: It's all over... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1414 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" > wrote: > > > > > Digital is the future, and it will happen eventually, even if it > > > isn't exactly the system proposed by iBiquity. Perhaps the NRSC > > > will take matters into their own hands and recommend a hybrid > > > system using iBiquity's data transmission scheme, with someone > > > else's coder, it wouldn't be the first time, iBiquity would just > > > have to deal with it, and equipment builders would have two > > > entities to deal with as far as licensing goes. > > > > ANY hybrid system is a loser. The analog signal loses and so does > > the digital, to the point of being a BIG step backwards in fidelity. > > Powell, as an old friend used to say, "you need to read louder". I read it loud and clear. > While phase one of the iBiquity system is an analog/digital "hybrid" > system, that's not what the word "hybrid" in the paragraph you quoted > above was referring to. The word "hybrid" referred to a system put > together by the NRSC using iBiquity's data transmission scheme, and > someone else's coder. Ibiquity is NOT going to allow this. And they burned bridges with other companies. Ibiquity has FAR too much money to lose over this. In the millions to billions, and if it actually works is moot. Powell From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 05 07:52:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89019 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2003 14:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2003 14:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2003 14:52:32 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.163]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:50:27 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c34305$16b405a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: It's all over... Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:52:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I, for one, will cheerfully roast marshmallows over their flames. They are not the first company to come up with an idea, sink a boatload of money in it, then have it sink. There is an old saying "Every man has a scheme that will not work" - not sure who said it, but it fits. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 10:36 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: It's all over... > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > Ibiquity is NOT going to allow this. And they burned bridges with > other companies. Ibiquity has FAR too much money to lose over this. > In the millions to billions, and if it actually works is moot. > > > Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jul 05 12:16:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25272 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2003 19:16:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2003 19:16:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2003 19:16:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2003 19:16:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 19:16:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Processors Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 547 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Philip de Cadenet wrote: > > All of you please keep your ears open for any inexpensive used AMS > transmission equipment. I can arrange for DHL to collect on my account. > > If I find any cheap, or FREE AM stereo gear, It will go into service on my > Part 15 station! If anybody wants to donate equipment to the ONLY Celtic > music format station in SC, just let me know! :-) > > Kevin So if I'm riding up the "I" though Greenville, can I hear it? Powell From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Jul 05 18:14:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11231 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 01:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2003 01:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO BAY0-HMR17.adinternal.hotmail.com) (65.54.241.216) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 01:13:58 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.10.79]) by BAY0-HMR17.adinternal.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 5 Jul 2003 18:13:58 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 18:13:58 -0700 Received: from 172.203.25.185 by bay7-dav22.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 01:13:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Part 15 Station Was: AMS Processors Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 21:13:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2003 01:13:58.0556 (UTC) FILETIME=[E096A5C0:01C3435B] Return-Path: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.203.25.185] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III wrote: > So if I'm riding up the "I" though Greenville, can I hear it? If you have a real good radio, you can hear the signal on 1620 near the 9 and 10 mile markers on the I-185 Toll Road. The signal on 1640 you can hear on US 25 near the Boys Home of The South is down for transmitter repairs and may switch to 1620. I have no idea who is running the low power country music stations on 87.9 in Downtown Fountain Inn and on US 25 and US 76, but they sound real good. In fact, that low power FM has better audio than the two country stations, WSSL & WESC, owned by Clear Channel! Kevin From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Jul 05 19:54:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89943 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 02:54:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2003 02:54:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.244.97) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 02:54:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 19:54:00 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav40.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 02:54:00 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: 2 Days Left to Comment on BPL*****ACTION REQUIRED***** Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 22:54:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2003 02:54:00.0423 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9FADF70:01C34369] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Please Read and comment, this technology "WILL AFFECT P15AM SYSTEMS" and I urge you to comment =========================================== Hello Everybody, I received the following from eham.net. The FCC is allowing comments to be sent electronically concerning BPL. (internet access from power lines) according to what I have read, this would cause a lot of qrm on the HF and 2 meter bands. Last Few Days to File BPL Comments: So far about 1,400 comments have been filed with the FCC (only 17 today) to protest BPL. If you eliminate the double files and the BPL "trolls" there are probably less than 1,000 "real" ham comments. Field day saw 30,000 hams turn out, so about 3% of the field day folks have filed or less than 1% or the ARRL membership. Is this a record we can be proud off? How would you describe 3% or 1%? If you have filed - thank you, now go find 2 people who haven't and persuade them to file. If you have not filed - well do it, now!! And then go find 4 people and get them to file. Look at the links below for ideas - no need to put all of the legal stuff at the top - tell the FCC why BPL is a really, really bad idea and WHY. Full details are here; http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2003/06/19/2/?nc=1 Comments are due on or before July 7, 2003. The FCC now is accepting electronically filed comments via its Electronic Comment Filing System (ECFS). http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi In the "Proceeding" field, enter "03-104" and complete the required fields. Comments may be typed into a form or you may attach a file containing your comments. ===== WB2AZE David R. Kanitra ARRL ARES District Emergency Coordinator for Hunterdon County, NJ =========================================== Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis 88.3 FM Stereo 1610 AM Real Community Radio!!! From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Jul 05 20:15:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19383 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 03:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2003 03:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 03:15:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2003 03:15:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:15:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 2 Days Left to Comment on BPL*****ACTION REQUIRED***** Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 238 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" < kc8gpd@h...> wrote: > Please Read and comment, this technology "WILL AFFECT P15AM SYSTEMS" > and I urge you to comment In what way will it affect "P15AM" systems? John From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Jul 05 20:27:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47385 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 03:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2003 03:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO BAY0-HMR01.adinternal.hotmail.com) (65.54.241.200) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 03:27:51 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.244.122]) by BAY0-HMR01.adinternal.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 5 Jul 2003 20:27:51 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 20:27:51 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav18.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:27:50 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 2 Days Left to Comment on BPL*****ACTION REQUIRED***** Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:28:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2003 03:27:51.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[94600490:01C3436E] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It will cause a lot of QRM. It will do the most damage to HF, But at P15 Power levels it will make our stations that much harder to receive. It probably will also kill P15FM as 2 meters is going to be affected. It seems that it will cause problems across the spectrum. some places worse than others. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 05 20:28:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27618 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 03:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2003 03:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 03:28:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2003 03:28:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:28:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 2 Days Left to Comment on BPL*****ACTION REQUIRED***** Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 418 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" < > kc8gpd@h...> wrote: > > Please Read and comment, this technology "WILL AFFECT P15AM SYSTEMS" > > and I urge you to comment > > In what way will it affect "P15AM" systems? Some p15 stations use the3 power lines to broadcast. This would interfere with that. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alfredot@inetarena.com Sun Jul 06 03:06:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6160 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 10:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2003 10:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 10:06:31 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust156.tnt17.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [65.227.179.156]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h66A1Q3w005597 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 03:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 03:04:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... In-Reply-To: <1057130947.2153.54141.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > > How far are those stations from you? > > Farthest I have heard with an unaided radio (although barely, and > under some conditions) on groundwave (from El Cajon, CA) are 1340 from > Santa Barbara and 660 from Orcutt (near Santa Maria). With a > Select-A-Tenna, I have heard KGO from San Francisco on a couple occasions. I'm near downtown Hillsboro, Oregon (a suburb of Portland). Using the Radio-Locator search engine: 730 KBSU (Boise, ID): 354 miles, 15kW directional 840 KKNX (Eugene, OR): 98 miles, 1kW directional 1330 KKPZ (Portland, OR): 20.2 miles, 5kW directional 1520 KKSN (Oregon City, OR): 19.4 miles, 50kW directional The antenna that I use is a homebrew rooftop amplified large-diameter loop. When I had it connected to the AM Stereo-converted Technics receiver, 1520 almost sounded like FM, save for some local oscillator phase noise in the receiver. 840 is receivable when the antenna is turned north-south to null out KSWB from Seaside, OR, but reception always seems to be marred by "birdies" radiating from nearby overhead lines and the occasional impulse noise. One morning, I was able to hear KBSU, but that was somewhat of a freak occurrence; I don't think that their groundwave makes it out this far. Although this is not a large number of AM Stereo signals, I think that it would be interesting test of the receiver because it has one strong signal (1520), where the noise will primarily be a combination of station airchain/receiver noise, one moderate strength signal (1330), and one deep-fringe signal (840) where the receiver's noise-reduction capabilities will be pushed to the maximum. Alfredo From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jul 06 03:10:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64498 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 10:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2003 10:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 10:10:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2003 10:10:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 10:10:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 2 Days Left to Comment on BPL*****ACTION REQUIRED***** Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 849 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" < > kc8gpd@h...> wrote: > > Please Read and comment, this technology "WILL AFFECT P15AM SYSTEMS" > > and I urge you to comment > > In what way will it affect "P15AM" systems? > > John Other answers are partly correct. It will cause so much interference over the entire spectrum radio reception will be disrupted. The correct answer is you won't be able to hear it. In places in Europe where this technology has been tested and disrupted, it caused massive interference, and especially to HF, in some case rendering use of HF next to useless. In the US here, power companies leak noise so badly, I'd expect this to be even worse. The use of MW may be rendered useless even to digital schemes. Powell From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jul 06 11:41:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80342 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 18:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2003 18:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 18:41:15 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-146.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.146]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h66If9QF024271 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:41:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004901c343ee$53a05600$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <001d01c34305$16b405a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: It's all over... Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:42:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sounds like something Mark Twain would have said. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > There is an old saying "Every man has a scheme that will not work" - not > sure who said it, but it fits. From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Jul 06 14:08:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34096 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 21:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2003 21:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 21:08:06 -0000 Received: from storefull-2117.public.lawson.webtv.net (lawson-public-ipmux-1-pip-1.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.22]) by smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 2516EBE46 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 14:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2117.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id OAA18471; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 14:08:05 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQMMd4iK3uRpr+vc8TEN5lrp443aAIVAI54/o2ztXm2kRcmC2+QmXv/Ddzf Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:08:05 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tower Collapse Message-ID: <18356-3F088FB5-2486@storefull-2117.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 6 Jul 2003 07:38:48 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I know that this is slightly off topic, But Omaha's ABC-TV affiliate KETV ch 7 lost it's primary broadcasting tower Friday Night ( The 4th of July ) collapsing into a pile of debris . KETV was in the process of replacing the decades old RCA VHF antenna with a dual band antenna to allow operation on Analog channel 7 and digital channel 20. At this point in time the cause of the failure is a mystery. KETV-DT ch 20 is off the air for the foreseeable future and Channel 7 analog is operating from it's original downtown location at the station's studios. Digital is coming at a high cost!! We have several HDTV's on display at the store where I work, and KETV-HD 20 had a great picture on the HD channel using a temporary ( now destroyed ) antenna. This is the 4th serious tower accident in the state of Nebraska in the last 14 months, fortunately no one was hurt or killed in the KETV accident. Last month a worker fell off the KOLN channel 10 tower west of Lincoln, another worker was killed in a tower accident on a NETV tower near Bassett, NE April 2002 and KDUH-TV Scottsbluff, NE lost it's tall tower in a September 2002 collapse, killing 2 workers. It this just Nebraska's bad luck, or are TV stations upgrading to HDTV having similar problems in other parts of the Country?? BTW - Only one FM station was knocked off the air --educational station KVNO 90.7 owned By the Univ. of Nebraska at Omaha. The other two towers next to KEtv's Have large number of FM stations on them and Channel 3 and 6 Television were left unharmed. Bill S. Omaha Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 06 14:53:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97739 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 21:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2003 21:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 21:53:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2003 21:53:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:53:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Tower Collapse Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18356-3F088FB5-2486@storefull-2117.public.lawson.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1855 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It this just Nebraska's bad luck, or are TV stations upgrading to > HDTV having similar problems in other parts of the Country?? For FM and TV, a station's antenna height is even more important than their output power in terms to determining the signal coverage area. Therefore, in areas with flat terrain and thus no mountains to put towers on top of, this necessitates tall towers -- commonly over 1000 feet high -- which are especially dangerous to work on. Although, surprisingly, I never seem to hear of tower collapses happening during tornadoes, for some reason. Anyway, New York City had its own major setback in the transition to DTV when its main FM/TV transmitter site was destroyed two years ago, through a sequence of events I'm sure we're all familiar with. Now, due to a shortage of space and electrical supply at the top of the Empire State Building, even some of the analog TV transmitters still aren't running at their full power levels, and whatever DTV transmitters that are on the air are still merely an afterthought at this point. p.s. It is important to remember that use of DTV (Digital Television) doesn't necessarily imply HDTV (High-Definition TV). A large amount of DTV programming is being broadcast as SDTV (Standard-Definition TV), with quality no better than that of a regular analog TV broadcast -- even worse, in some cases, due to the "artifacts" of the digital compression, such as "pixelization" during fast movement and "MP3-like" audio effects. And of course, there's also the inherent delay of the digital encoding/decoding, which means that "live" broadcasts are no longer truly "live". I wonder, once DTV becomes standardized, if the New Years' countdown in Times Square will be conducted a few seconds early, so it will happen at the correct time for those watching it on TV? From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Sun Jul 06 15:22:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95834 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 22:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2003 22:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 22:22:33 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7FA707CEA6 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:22:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184565pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.76.80]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8761800AF for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030706181844.00a37ec0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 18:23:10 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WZZD 990 Philadelphia Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Well there's a new station. Any luck on convincing them that AM Stereo is the way to go? Then perhaps get some radio's from Chris Cuf and give them out to listeners as prises with stations logo? Just a thought for promoting AM Stereo, and there would be yet another station broadcasting in AM Stereo on the dial! Then we can hear the excellent sound of the Crisler Infinity T-Gold AM Stereo/FM Stereo/CD/Tape/EQ in the 2001 limited Adition Town And Country! Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 06 19:57:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81608 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 02:57:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 02:57:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 02:57:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2003 02:57:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 02:57:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WZZD 990 Philadelphia Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030706181844.00a37ec0@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 967 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Well there's a new station. > Any luck on convincing them that AM Stereo is the way to go? Actually, 990 WZZD has been a Christian-format station since 1980. They are owned by Salem Communications, and although WZZD reportedly used AM Stereo in the past, they have no interest in resuming it due to the myth about "reduced coverage area" -- despite their commanding 50,000-watt daytime signal, which is strong enough to stop the Seek function of my car radio, 50 miles away from their transmitter. WZZD is best remembered for their days in the '60s and '70s as WIBG, or "Wibbage", Philadelphia's leading Top 40 music station. In 1977, they switched to a short-lived Disco format as "Wizzard 100", and the WZZD call letters were kept even after the switch to the religious format in 1980. Coincidentally enough, the WIBG call letters are still in existence in the area -- as 1020 WIBG in Ocean City, NJ, a 500-watt daytimer with a Christian format. From dav259@csiro.au Sun Jul 06 20:28:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54873 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 03:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 03:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 03:28:26 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h673SOJ28019 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:28:24 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:28:24 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tower Collapse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > p.s. It is important to remember that use of DTV (Digital Television) > doesn't necessarily imply HDTV (High-Definition TV). A large amount > of DTV programming is being broadcast as SDTV (Standard-Definition > TV), with quality no better than that of a regular analog TV > broadcast -- even worse, in some cases, due to the "artifacts" of the > digital compression, such as "pixelization" during fast movement and > "MP3-like" audio effects. And of course, there's also the inherent > delay of the digital encoding/decoding, which means that "live" > broadcasts are no longer truly "live". I wonder, once DTV becomes > standardized, if the New Years' countdown in Times Square will be > conducted a few seconds early, so it will happen at the correct time > for those watching it on TV? As a new SDTV viewer Kevin all the above is correct. The Standard Definition picture is no better than a good analog picture. But to me the huge advantage is 16:9 widescreen. I've lived through many TV enhancements. Video tape was a great bonus over film. The laying of a coaxial cable between Melbourne and Sydney (then everywhere else) was magnificent. But the definite improvement of course was colour - which we had to wait till 1975 to receive. As far as music is concerned I think the biggest improvement ever was the ability to record in hi-fi (in the fifties). The second (and subordinate one) was stereo. As far as AM radio is concerned AM stereo is similar to radio - as widescreen is to TV. It adds a new dimension. Still - I reckon we are a strange bunch. Most people don't seem to see any advantage in TV going widescreen - many complaining about the black bars at the top and bottom of their screen. Similarly many (perhaps even most) don't even hear stereo when it's there. They seem to think stereo simply means having two speakers instead of one. But - we know what we hear - and we know how good it is. And we will fight on. Ian Melbourne From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 00:26:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5543 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 07:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 07:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 07:26:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2003 07:26:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 07:26:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Columbia Stereo demo LP Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1375 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I have in my vinyl collection an LP entitled "Listening In Depth: An Introduction to Columbia Sterephonic Sound". It comes in a sturdy box containing a large booklet, a separate track listing sheet, and a cardboard backing. The booklet explains in detail the technical aspects of how stereo LP reproduction works, including RIAA equalization graphs and a close-up photo of the Columbia "CD" cartridge. The selections on the LP range from classical to big-band style, with a few Stereo sound effects thrown in, including the "Columbia Speaker Balancing Test". However, the entire package is not dated, and I'm just wondering if anybody here might be familiar with it and know when it was in print. The latest date mentioned in the booklet is 1957. The LP is simply marked "SF 1", and both it and its plastic slip-cover have the "Columbia Stereo Fidelity" logo on them. The quality of the record itself is excellent, especially considering its age; with my Technics turntable and external DNR (Dynamic Noise Reduction) processor, the surface noise is low, the Stereo separation is wide, and the dynamic range and frequency response are excellent. Not bad for $3.99 at the Princeton Record Exchange! (http://www.prex.com -- but you really have to visit it in person in Princeton, NJ, with bins and bins full of thousands of LPs, priced as low as $1.00 each.) From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Mon Jul 07 04:00:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10236 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 11:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 11:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.211) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 11:00:54 -0000 Received: from user-1050.bbd13tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.164.26] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZTjp-00041r-MD for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 12:00:53 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:59:53 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Harris Processor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Are any of you familiar with the Harris MSP-90 AM processor? Is it a matrix processor? What would be a good price to pay for one? Many thanks. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jul 07 05:45:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53361 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 12:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 12:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 12:45:09 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-89-91.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.91]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h67Cj4QF003497 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 07:45:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002c01c34485$c0715da0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WZZD 990 Philadelphia Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 07:46:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I have emailed their engineer about obtaining their stereo generator, though it looks like I'll have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Actually, 990 WZZD has been a Christian-format station since 1980. > They are owned by Salem Communications, and although WZZD reportedly > used AM Stereo in the past, they have no interest in resuming it due > to the myth about "reduced coverage area" From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Jul 07 06:04:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40912 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 13:04:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 13:04:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 13:04:35 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 794E6464A29 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184565pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.76.80]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BB31A022F for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030707085859.02bee840@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 09:03:19 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WZZD 990 Philadelphia In-Reply-To: <002c01c34485$c0715da0$827dfea9@home1> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fred Moore? I saw no way to contact him via e-mail. I realize that it probably won't help to get the pilot turned on, but I figure what's the harm in trying? I mean as I see it, it promotes AM Stereo and maybe just a small part of the public would see the benefits of AM Stereo, an how truly good it can sound when not over processed. And it'll give a new station (or at least new format), promotion witch = boosting in the ratings, witch average Joe or Jane tells sister or brother or friend about AM Stereo, and maybe it'll grow a fraction of an inch. At 07:46 AM 7/7/03 -0500, you wrote: >I have emailed their engineer about obtaining their stereo generator, though >it looks like I'll have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get it. > >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin T." >> Actually, 990 WZZD has been a Christian-format station since 1980. >> They are owned by Salem Communications, and although WZZD reportedly >> used AM Stereo in the past, they have no interest in resuming it due >> to the myth about "reduced coverage area" > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 09:52:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70588 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 16:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 16:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 16:52:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2003 16:52:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:51:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 157 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I like the item description on this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3034256441 Is the seller a member of this group, perhaps? From oscar@globility.com Mon Jul 07 10:07:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10482 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 17:07:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 17:07:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 17:07:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2003 17:07:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:07:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AMS 400 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 175 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.218 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy If this unit's pedigree has been mentioned previously, I missed it. Has anyone here anything to say about the AMS-400 AM-stereo converter (for car radio)? Tx in advance MS From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Jul 07 10:32:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35418 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 17:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 17:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 17:32:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2003 17:31:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:31:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 471 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I like the item description on this one: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3034256441 > > Is the seller a member of this group, perhaps? It doesn't seem likely that it would be a member of this group, as I seem to remember the consensus opinion here on the Realistic TM-152 was that it is the pits, only marginally better than iBiquity's HD Radio system. John Byrns From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 11:44:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53527 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 18:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 18:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12804.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 18:44:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20030707184415.5224.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 11:44:15 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It doesn't seem likely that it would be a member of this group, as I > seem to remember the consensus opinion here on the Realistic TM-152 > was that it is the pits, only marginally better than iBiquity's HD > Radio system. I hope that you are joking, but in case you're not, I sincerely doubt you've ever personally used a TM-152, and with your very selective attention span when it comes to participating in this group, I doubt you are qualified to speak for any "consensus" on our behalf. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jul 07 12:17:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48165 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 19:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 19:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 19:17:15 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.234]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:15:15 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c344bc$6639a4a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS 400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:17:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I had a load of those tuners. The AM Stereo section was the same as the Sony SRFA1- same IC's The bandwidth was very good, and they also have a circuit that re-broadcasts the signal into FM Stereo. This part has a tendancy to drift, so I outfitted most of the ons I sold with line-output jacks, as well as re-tuning them to go to 1710. I do not have any more, but the person that sold them to me did have 1000 more- not sure whatever happened to them. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr.M S To: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: {AMSF} AMS 400 > If this unit's pedigree has been mentioned previously, I missed it. > Has anyone here anything to say about the AMS-400 AM-stereo converter > (for car radio)? > > Tx in advance From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon Jul 07 12:49:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27437 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 19:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 19:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 19:49:42 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030707194943.ICGE11762.fed1mtao02.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:49:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:49:48 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030707184415.5224.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <2A415FDC-B0B4-11D7-9425-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Actually, in my opinion, he's right. It was bad AM stereo tuners like this one that turned people off to AM stereo. It IS only marginally better than HDR; I'd pass on one and listen in wideband mono -- or even narrowband mono, as the TM-152 had such a high lowband cutoff so as to have virtually no bass. On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 11:44 AM, Kevin T. wrote: >> It doesn't seem likely that it would be a member of this group, as I >> seem to remember the consensus opinion here on the Realistic TM-152 >> was that it is the pits, only marginally better than iBiquity's HD >> Radio system. > > I hope that you are joking, but in case you're not, I sincerely doubt > you've ever personally used a TM-152, and with your very selective > attention span when it comes to participating in this group, I doubt > you > are qualified to speak for any "consensus" on our behalf. > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jul 07 13:47:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18730 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 20:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 20:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 20:47:35 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-240.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.240]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h67KlUtT003822 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:47:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004801c344c9$25e6bde0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030707085859.02bee840@pop.GameBox.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WZZD 990 Philadelphia Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:48:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's the guy. Being that I also work for Salem I know how to reach him. Unfortunately the decision of mono/stereo is made by one of the engineering higher-ups out in Calif. If any of our stations are operating AM stereo, they're doing it on the sly, and I certainly wouldn't rat on them. Please don't anyone spill the beans on any of our stations you may run across using it. A lot of their engineers have worked at AMS equipped stations before and are sympathetic. Few are inclined to chance putting it back in, however. Scott one of the potential few :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Holcomb II" > Fred Moore? > I saw no way to contact him via e-mail. > I realize that it probably won't help to get the pilot turned on, but I figure what's the harm in trying? From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Jul 07 14:44:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72205 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 21:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 21:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 21:44:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2003 21:44:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 21:44:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2A415FDC-B0B4-11D7-9425-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1395 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.131 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Actually, in my opinion, he's right. It was bad AM stereo tuners like=20 > this one that turned people off to AM stereo. It IS only marginally=20 > better than HDR; I'd pass on one and listen in wideband mono -- or even=20 > narrowband mono, as the TM-152 had such a high lowband cutoff so as to=20 > have virtually no bass. >=20 >=20 As it stands this radio offers slightly better HF response than your typical narrowband mono radio. What does it take to make it sound better? 1st bypass the 100Hz high pass filter that kills the bass. 2nd add a wider ceramic filter if you can find a =B17.5KHz=20 @ 450KHz. 3rd add NRSC de-emphasis and a bit of HF eq. 4th raise the Q and gain of the 25Hz pilot filter for better locking. 5th add 10KHz Hi-Q notch filters. 6th do forced full synchronous=20 detection for marginal signals and have a switch to turn this on or off. 6th remove the resistor on the LO tank to sligntly improve=20 the pahse noise problem. The phase noise is bad enough that you=20 can't use the co-channel detection on the 13020 chip as the LO generates enough phase noise to cause the chip to drop to mono when used. The phase noise also makes the HF a bit mushy and is not as crisp and distinct as a decoder in a DTR with very low phase noise. This is just 'a modest proposal' to get the radio somewhat up to par. JSG From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 15:25:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63921 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 22:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 22:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 22:25:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2003 22:25:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:24:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: looking for mp3 CD player.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1982 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key That sounds pretty close for the nearby signals... with just a portable in Ocean Beach, CA, I can hear KNX (from Los Angeles) as strong as I can hear KFMB or KOGO from El Cajon or La Mesa. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alfredo E. Torrejon" wrote: > > > > How far are those stations from you? > > > > Farthest I have heard with an unaided radio (although barely, and > > under some conditions) on groundwave (from El Cajon, CA) are 1340 from > > Santa Barbara and 660 from Orcutt (near Santa Maria). With a > > Select-A-Tenna, I have heard KGO from San Francisco on a couple occasions. > > I'm near downtown Hillsboro, Oregon (a suburb of Portland). Using > the Radio-Locator search engine: > > 730 KBSU (Boise, ID): 354 miles, 15kW directional > 840 KKNX (Eugene, OR): 98 miles, 1kW directional > 1330 KKPZ (Portland, OR): 20.2 miles, 5kW directional > 1520 KKSN (Oregon City, OR): 19.4 miles, 50kW directional > > The antenna that I use is a homebrew rooftop amplified large-diameter > loop. When I had it connected to the AM Stereo-converted Technics > receiver, 1520 almost sounded like FM, save for some local oscillator > phase noise in the receiver. 840 is receivable when the antenna is turned > north-south to null out KSWB from Seaside, OR, but reception always seems > to be marred by "birdies" radiating from nearby overhead lines and the > occasional impulse noise. One morning, I was able to hear KBSU, but that > was somewhat of a freak occurrence; I don't think that their groundwave > makes it out this far. > Although this is not a large number of AM Stereo signals, I think > that it would be interesting test of the receiver because it has one > strong signal (1520), where the noise will primarily be a combination of > station airchain/receiver noise, one moderate strength signal (1330), and > one deep-fringe signal (840) where the receiver's noise-reduction > capabilities will be pushed to the maximum. > > Alfredo From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Jul 07 15:37:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86902 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 22:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 22:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 22:37:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2003 22:37:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:37:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030707184415.5224.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3856 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > It doesn't seem likely that it would be a member of this group, as > > I seem to remember the consensus opinion here on the Realistic > > TM-152 was that it is the pits, only marginally better than > > iBiquity's HD Radio system. > > I hope that you are joking, but in case you're not, I am not joking, I am always serious, but I also try to inject a bit of humor into my comments. The combination of seriousness, and humor, is the persona I try to cultivate, I believe I alluded to this in an earlier post. In this case the humor was the exaggeration of the groups previously negative opinion of the TM-152. > I sincerely doubt you've ever personally used a TM-152, Kevin, considering this is your group, and you are the moderator, I am surprised that you don't have a better feel for what has been said here in the past, you should take the time to read through the archives and become familiar with comments that were made in the past. You are quite wrong to doubt that I have "ever personally used a TM- 152". Over the years I have owned a total of six AM stereo radios, three Delco UX-1's, a SONY SRF-A100, a Realistic TM-152, and a Carver TX-11a. Two of the Delco UX-1's were in automobiles, the first was one of the good sounding old ones, the second was a newer model and was very dull sounding. The third UX-1 I bought off eBay for something like $10.00, and it is still sitting in the basement waiting for me to feel inspired about getting it running. The Carver TX-11a was not a great radio, I have written about the details here previously. To summarize it has at least four main problems. 1.) The front-end is subject to third order IM. 2.) It is noisy, having a high hiss level when using the supplied air loop antenna, adding a larger aperiodic loop decreases the noise, but exacerbates the third order IM problem. 3.) There is not a de emphasis setting that gives flat sounding audio, with de emphasis off, the audio is too bright, and with the de emphasis on it is too dull. 4.) the extension of the audio response beyond 10 kHz, to 15 kHz, doesn't serve any useful purpose, but increases the noise problem, and puts an objectionable peak in the audio response around 11 kHz. I know that six AM stereo radios is not a lot to have owned by the standards of this group, but I think the ones I have owned have provided me with a diversity of listening experiences. In my judgment the TM-152, while a modest radio beside the TX-11a, is a far better radio than the TX-11a, and suffers from none of the TX-11a's shortcomings. Last time I mentioned this, many group members spoke up negatively about the TM-152, even calling it a piece of "crap", it wouldn't surprise me if you were among them, obviously you currently hold a higher opinion of the TM- 152. The TM-152 and the UX-1 in the basement are the only two AM stereo radios I have kept, the others have all been sold for one reason or another, the TX-11a because to me it was a generally useless radio, with no redeeming virtues. The bottom line is I have owned and used a TM-152 for approximately 18 years. > and with your very selective attention span when it comes to > participating in this group, May I ask what a "selective attention span" is? I know what being selective in one interests and comments is, and I know what a short attention span is, but I have not heard of a "selective attention span" before, please explain? > I doubt you are qualified to speak for any "consensus" on our > behalf. I was not speaking on behalf of the group, I was simply making an observation about the group's comments last time around, perhaps the group's opinion of the TM-152 has since changed for the better, but I kind of doubt it? John From amstereorules@msn.com Mon Jul 07 15:38:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88713 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 22:38:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 22:38:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 22:38:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2003 22:38:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:38:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 669 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules I never said that I disliked the Realistic TM-152. In fact, I give the designers of this TM-152 substantial credit to get the Motorola MC13020 IC to work at all with analog tuning. Speaking from personal experience, this is one fussy chip for AM stereo lock. Those newer Moto chips have that signal quality detector that also makes it difficult to maintain stereo lock, without blending to mono, under less than ideal (laboratory) conditions. I do not understand why there was use of the low pass filters, in even monaural sets of that vintage. And modulation transformers would let you know when they didn't like excessive bass to the transmitter. - Mario From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 16:27:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9995 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 23:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 23:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 23:27:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2003 23:27:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:27:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2A415FDC-B0B4-11D7-9425-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1592 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Actually, in my opinion, he's right. It was bad AM stereo tuners > like this one that turned people off to AM stereo. It IS only > marginally better than HDR; I'd pass on one and listen in wideband > mono -- or even narrowband mono, as the TM-152 had such a high > lowband cutoff so as to have virtually no bass. Maybe mine is special, as are the ones I've heard recordings of, but the TM-152 never seemed to be "narrowband" to me. With a little help from a graphic equalizer, you can bring up the low bass as well as the highs all the way up to 10 kHz and beyond. In fact, the TM-152 and Sony SRF-42 were my first two non-car AM Stereo receivers, and with a little EQ I always thought the TM-152 had better treble response, as well as a better S/N ratio (it's not so "hissy" on weaker signals). And when hooked up to a random-wire outdoor antenna, the TM-152 has excellent sensitivity, and if you bypass its audio output circuitry and tap into the direct outputs of its MC13020 decoder, its audio response improves quite a bit as well. Here are some audio samples of 1190 WOWO, as received by 460-mile skywave DX on an original, unmodified Realistic TM-152, back in the fall of 1992 (when they were still an AM Stereo music station): http://tinyurl.com/g9mp http://tinyurl.com/g9mr These were actually some of the first AM Stereo MP3 files I ever made, using a DOS-based MP3 encoder with a 1996 copyright date on it, so the quality of the encoding isn't the greatest, but you can at least judge for yourself how "narrowband" the TM-152 sounds in its original form. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 16:43:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64428 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 23:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2003 23:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 23:43:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2003 23:43:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:43:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 549 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I was not speaking on behalf of the group, I was simply making an > observation about the group's comments last time around, perhaps > the group's opinion of the TM-152 has since changed for the better, > but I kind of doubt it? The bottom line is that your original reply seemed suspiciously "troll-like" to my eyes, and as for your "humor", I don't think I've EVER seen you use a smiley-face emotion, or even a more conservative "" mark. Maybe Star Trek's "Data" would find you to have a good sense of humor, but I just don't see it. From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Jul 07 17:16:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90932 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 00:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 00:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 00:16:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 00:16:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 00:15:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 582 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.242 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > The bottom line is that your original reply seemed suspiciously > "troll-like" to my eyes, and as for your "humor", I don't think I've > EVER seen you use a smiley-face emotion, or even a more conservative > "" mark. Maybe Star Trek's "Data" would find you to have a good > sense of humor, but I just don't see it. I specifically avoid the use of "smiley-face" emoticon's, or even " " because it takes away the fun of seeing who gets the humor, and who completely misinterprets it. John From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 17:26:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39209 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 00:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 00:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 00:26:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 00:26:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 00:26:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2A415FDC-B0B4-11D7-9425-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 677 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.205 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Actually, in my opinion, he's right. It was bad AM stereo tuners like > this one that turned people off to AM stereo. It IS only marginally > better than HDR; I'd pass on one and listen in wideband mono -- or even > narrowband mono, as the TM-152 had such a high lowband cutoff so as to > have virtually no bass. You better tell my TM-152 that, since other than selectivity, it seems to perform nicely. Oh, and yes- Compared to most mono AM receivers, even the -narrow- AMS receivers performed better. (Not to mention the TM-152 was in the RS catalogs for 5 years.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 17:38:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74833 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 00:38:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 00:38:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 00:38:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 00:38:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 00:38:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 781 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.205 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > > The bottom line is that your original reply seemed suspiciously > > "troll-like" to my eyes, and as for your "humor", I don't think I've > > EVER seen you use a smiley-face emotion, or even a more conservative > > "" mark. Maybe Star Trek's "Data" would find you to have a good > > sense of humor, but I just don't see it. Can we avoid the virtual fisticuffs here? > I specifically avoid the use of "smiley-face" emoticon's, or even " > " because it takes away the fun of seeing who gets the humor, and who > completely misinterprets it. Interpretation is entirely in the presentation. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Jul 07 18:04:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40212 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 01:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 01:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf22aec.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 01:04:47 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.158.97.8]) by imf22aec.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030708010447.TBXL27778.imf22aec.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:04:47 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c344ec$eedbaad0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:04:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank God the TM-152 wasn't the first AM Stereo radio I heard, if it was, it would have been my last. I bought it, and soon after got rid of it. The AM Stereo Car radio that Rat Shack had wasn't much better. What a waste. That ended up in a landfill. I'll take the Carver TX-11a, or even the SRF-42, or my UX-1 Delco. At least they were hi-fi. I am more intersted in Fidelity. Fidelity AND Stereo, that is what it's all about. I Could care less about narrow band crappy sounding AM. It really did ruin AM Stereo. Just my humble opinion Juan Fort Pierce, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: amymousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 8:26 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Actually, in my opinion, he's right. It was bad AM stereo tuners like > this one that turned people off to AM stereo. It IS only marginally > better than HDR; I'd pass on one and listen in wideband mono -- or even > narrowband mono, as the TM-152 had such a high lowband cutoff so as to > have virtually no bass. You better tell my TM-152 that, since other than selectivity, it seems to perform nicely. Oh, and yes- Compared to most mono AM receivers, even the -narrow- AMS receivers performed better. (Not to mention the TM-152 was in the RS catalogs for 5 years.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Mon Jul 07 18:15:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58331 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 01:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 01:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 01:15:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 01:15:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 01:15:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Tower Collapse Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 749 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Kevin, The delay through our Digicipher compression systems that we use for compressing a number of TV channels is only about a half second. Going analog to digital doesn't add much. Makes you wonder what in the heck iBiquity is doing to get an 8 second delay with just audio!! Jerry WA2FNQ Manager, RF Systems HBO --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: And of course, there's also the inherent > delay of the digital encoding/decoding, which means that "live" > broadcasts are no longer truly "live". I wonder, once DTV becomes > standardized, if the New Years' countdown in Times Square will be > conducted a few seconds early, so it will happen at the correct time > for those watching it on TV? From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Jul 07 18:25:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1107 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 01:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 01:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 01:25:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 01:25:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 01:25:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Tower Collapse Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 652 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > Kevin, > > The delay through our Digicipher compression systems that we use for > compressing a number of TV channels is only about a half second. > Going analog to digital doesn't add much. Makes you wonder what in > the heck iBiquity is doing to get an 8 second delay with just > audio!! It might not have much to do with the audio coder, it might have to do with the interleaving in the data transmission system. Why does XM radio have a 15 second delay? That's what I hear on the channels that are also on cable TV, at least it's a nice round quarter minute. John From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon Jul 07 18:26:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5785 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 01:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 01:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 01:26:23 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030708012619.LRKQ24939.fed1mtao01.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:26:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:26:17 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2C32CCA7-B0E3-11D7-9425-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Sounds narrowband to me. Maybe not as narrow as some radios, but this certainly wouldn't get people to listen to AM. I'd rather listen on my Marantz 2215B, which is DEFINITELY narrowband, yet sounds MUCH fuller and nicer than the TM-152. In fact, the Marantz was what I went back to when I returned the second TM-152 to Radio Shack. I thought the first one was defective, what with all the hype. The mention earlier of the TX11a being "bad" because it went to 15KHz is a bit harsh, considering that when it was designed and sold, AM stations were allowed to transmit to 20KHz. And I'd put my TX11b against the flat sounding TM-152 any day. Why didn't AM stereo catch on? Radios like the TM-152. If all radios were mono, but sounded like the GE Superadio, music on AM would be dominant. On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 04:27 PM, Kevin T. wrote: >> Actually, in my opinion, he's right. It was bad AM stereo tuners >> like this one that turned people off to AM stereo. It IS only >> marginally better than HDR; I'd pass on one and listen in wideband >> mono -- or even narrowband mono, as the TM-152 had such a high >> lowband cutoff so as to have virtually no bass. > > Maybe mine is special, as are the ones I've heard recordings of, but > the TM-152 never seemed to be "narrowband" to me. With a little help > from a graphic equalizer, you can bring up the low bass as well as > the highs all the way up to 10 kHz and beyond. In fact, the TM-152 > and Sony SRF-42 were my first two non-car AM Stereo receivers, and > with a little EQ I always thought the TM-152 had better treble > response, as well as a better S/N ratio (it's not so "hissy" on > weaker signals). > > And when hooked up to a random-wire outdoor antenna, the TM-152 has > excellent sensitivity, and if you bypass its audio output circuitry > and tap into the direct outputs of its MC13020 decoder, its audio > response improves quite a bit as well. > > Here are some audio samples of 1190 WOWO, as received by 460-mile > skywave DX on an original, unmodified Realistic TM-152, back in the > fall of 1992 (when they were still an AM Stereo music station): > > http://tinyurl.com/g9mp > http://tinyurl.com/g9mr > > These were actually some of the first AM Stereo MP3 files I ever > made, using a DOS-based MP3 encoder with a 1996 copyright date on it, > so the quality of the encoding isn't the greatest, but you can at > least judge for yourself how "narrowband" the TM-152 sounds in its > original form. > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon Jul 07 18:28:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10617 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 01:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 01:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 01:28:31 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030708012831.MZRH18119.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:28:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:28:27 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001c01c344ec$eedbaad0$af78fea9@juan> Message-Id: <7960412D-B0E3-11D7-9425-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 06:04 PM, Juan / John Gualda wrote: > Thank God the TM-152 wasn't the first AM Stereo radio I heard, if it > was, it would have been my last. I bought it, and soon after got rid > of it. > > The AM Stereo Car radio that Rat Shack had wasn't much better. What a > waste. That ended up in a landfill. > > I'll take the Carver TX-11a, or even the SRF-42, or my UX-1 Delco. > At least they were hi-fi. I am more intersted in Fidelity. Fidelity > AND Stereo, that is what it's all about. > > I Could care less about narrow band crappy sounding AM. It really did > ruin AM Stereo. > > > > Just my humble opinion > > Juan > Fort Pierce, FL > > Those were EXACTLY my reactions to the RS radios. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 18:31:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19009 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 01:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 01:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 01:31:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 01:31:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 01:31:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I specifically avoid the use of "smiley-face" emoticon's, or even > "" because it takes away the fun of seeing who gets the humor, > and who completely misinterprets it. Seeking personal enjoyment at the expense of others... sorry, but that's a typical characteristic of a "troll". In other words, to paraphrase the song title of a famous boy-band... "Quit Playing Games With This Group". From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon Jul 07 18:36:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20989 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 01:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 01:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 01:36:45 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030708013641.LEQS27992.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:36:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:36:41 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9FF3940A-B0E4-11D7-9425-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner What's a Boy Band? The Meaty Cheesey Boys (Jack in the Box)? (Just kidding) On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 06:31 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > In other words, to paraphrase the song title of a famous boy-band... > "Quit Playing Games With This Group". > From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Jul 07 18:38:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41443 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 01:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 01:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 01:38:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 01:37:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 01:37:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2C32CCA7-B0E3-11D7-9425-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 943 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > The mention earlier of the TX11a being "bad" because it went to 15KHz > is a bit harsh, considering that when it was designed and sold, AM > stations were allowed to transmit to 20KHz. AM stations were not allowed to transmit 20 kHz at the time the TX-11a came out, the limit at that time was 15 kHz, but I think the handwriting was already on the wall, and Carver should have known better. In any case the 10 kHz notch filter design was faulty and put a big hump in the response at about 11 kHz that made the tuner sound very tizzy. > And I'd put my TX11b against the flat sounding TM-152 any day. If they didn't improve the RF front end in the TX-11b, and you were trying to receive a station that happened to fall on a third order IM product of two local Class IA 50,000 Watt stations, the TM-152 would blow the doors off the TX-11. John From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 19:00:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83945 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 02:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 02:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 02:00:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 02:00:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:00:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2C32CCA7-B0E3-11D7-9425-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.205 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: =snip= > against the flat sounding TM-152 any day. Why didn't AM stereo catch > on? Radios like the TM-152. If all radios were mono, but sounded like > the GE Superadio, music on AM would be dominant. Actually, it was a number of factors, the -least- of which had to do with performance! Among other things: * AM stereo was implemented too late. FM overtook AM in 1978. For most, AM stereo didn't start until 1983-1984. * A series of legal and economic wrangling by the various systems over licensing, among other things. * Royalty fees for music was beginning to get out of hand, and many stations, from 1985 on, dropped music. * General apathy by the public towards sound quality and stereo. * A perception, especially in the broadcasting and manufacturing industries, of an "instant success", and the apparant failure of AM stereo to meet that. (Neither color TV nor FM stereo took off immediately- In both cases, it took 15-25 YEARS to gain acceptance. And MTS stereo? 80% of the TV broadcasters in the US use MTS stereo, but only -15%- of all VCRs and TVs are stereo. AM stereo has never commanded more than 15%, and currently is about 10%, thanks to all the Ford, GM and Chrysler car radios still being sold with new cars!) AM stereo's chances were stacked against it, and yet it survives, and is still being broadcast on 300 stations in the United States alone. Viva la AM stereo! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 19:00:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64243 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 02:00:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 02:00:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 02:00:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 02:00:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:00:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1668 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Oh, and yes- Compared to most mono AM receivers, even the -narrow- > AMS receivers performed better. (Not to mention the TM-152 was in > the RS catalogs for 5 years.) Well, not really... the TM-152 had an official introduction date of November 30, 1985, and first appeared in the 1986 catalog, but last appeared in the 1988 catalog; my own TM-152 was originally bought at a close-out sale in 1988 for a little over $20.00. Radio Shack's two models of AM Stereo car radios (made by Alpine and then Sharp, I believe) lasted a bit longer, appearing in the catalogs from 1986 through 1990, with the first model having an official introduction date of November 15, 1985. By the way, RS catalog scans of all these models can be found on the http://www.AMStereoRadio.com web site. I'm lucky to have a full set of RS catalogs from 1981 through 1995... they make for great nostalgia, especially seeing the various "fads" that appeared for only a year or two, such as a CED analog video disc player, a "SuperBeta" Hi-Fi Stereo VCR, a drawer-loading linear-tracking turntable, an AM/FM receiver with a built-in MTS Stereo TV tuner, a CDi-clone "VIS" (Visual Information System) video game player, the whole DCC (Digital Compact Cassette) fiasco, and of course, the fad that lasted way too long: the Tandy 2000 psuedo-IBM-compatible computer (did I just hear a few computer enthusiasts groan at the mention of that name?). Unfortunately, Greedio Shake is now a mere shadow of its former self... I believe now they've even cancelled their entire line of car stereo equipment. Soon they'll be selling nothing except batteries and Sprint PCS cell phones. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Jul 07 19:00:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63483 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 02:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 02:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf23aec.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 02:00:49 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.158.97.8]) by imf23aec.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030708020048.TINX5847.imf23aec.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:00:48 -0400 Message-ID: <003d01c344f4$c24cd4f0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:00:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my humble opinion. I have owned both the Rat Shack TM-152, and the Carver tx-11a. I appreciate your concerns about the noise on the Carver, but comparing both....I cannot see why......you think the Realistic sounds better ? I have some great airchecks of some 80's AM Stereo Stations, and just a couple weeks ago, I recorded some Alfredo Light transmissions on the Carver. This Radio blows away what I have heard before about AM Stereo. I actually hear the cymbals.....the crisp upper end of the sound. The bass, and the brass. I need to upload the soundfiles, so they can be heard. There is NO comparison. It actually sounds better than FM Radio now. I recorded the Spinners Atlantic Hits, and it sounds wonderful. Wide band AM Stereo. The way It SHOULD have sounded. Sorry you didn't like the Carver. I wish I could have bought it off you, so I could send it to someone who would appreciate it. Again, Just my Opinion. I Love the Carver. Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: bta_50g To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > The mention earlier of the TX11a being "bad" because it went to 15KHz > is a bit harsh, considering that when it was designed and sold, AM > stations were allowed to transmit to 20KHz. AM stations were not allowed to transmit 20 kHz at the time the TX-11a came out, the limit at that time was 15 kHz, but I think the handwriting was already on the wall, and Carver should have known better. In any case the 10 kHz notch filter design was faulty and put a big hump in the response at about 11 kHz that made the tuner sound very tizzy. > And I'd put my TX11b against the flat sounding TM-152 any day. If they didn't improve the RF front end in the TX-11b, and you were trying to receive a station that happened to fall on a third order IM product of two local Class IA 50,000 Watt stations, the TM-152 would blow the doors off the TX-11. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 19:36:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75254 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 02:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 02:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 02:36:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 02:36:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:36:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: TM 152 and others Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003d01c344f4$c24cd4f0$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 819 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I have a TM-152. I paid $10 for it. When WCOS FM was also having the FM signal simulcast on WCOS 1400 I compared the 2 signals. I noticed the loss of bass response and a VERY small amount of loss of high frequency content, BUT the AM was better to listen to as the audio on the AM was not crushed flat like they do on the FM. The Denon AM stereo RX is a pill. The main problem with them is exceptionally POOR quality control. When they were available as a special deal through the NAB, a friend of mine ordered 8. 6 were DOA and the 7th failed there after. He still has one that works most erratically on FM, the AM is fair. I have 3 SRF 42a's. I do a lot of my AM listening on ( I have more than 1) late 50's- early 60's Zenith High Fidelity. The AM is. If only IBOC could sound so good.... Powell From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Jul 07 19:42:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62674 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 02:42:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 02:42:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 02:42:31 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FF33700EC for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 02:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184565pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.76.80]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EF218007A for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 02:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030707223915.02afe3c0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:42:40 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <2A415FDC-B0B4-11D7-9425-0005021D3C76@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IT sucked. IT sucked so bad that I was really disappointed. I wound up giving it back to the guy on e bay and getting my $80 back. I used my graphic EQ and it helped nun. I say The TM-152 sounded like crap. I say go for the delco, or even sony's but not that radio. Ugh. *frowns at the fact that I bought a crappy radio* *Smiles at the fact that I got my money back* At 12:26 AM 7/8/03 +0000, you wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: >> Actually, in my opinion, he's right. It was bad AM stereo tuners >like >> this one that turned people off to AM stereo. It IS only marginally >> better than HDR; I'd pass on one and listen in wideband mono -- or >even >> narrowband mono, as the TM-152 had such a high lowband cutoff so as >to >> have virtually no bass. > >You better tell my TM-152 that, since other than selectivity, it >seems to perform nicely. > >Oh, and yes- Compared to most mono AM receivers, even the -narrow- >AMS receivers performed better. (Not to mention the TM-152 was in the >RS catalogs for 5 years.) > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Jul 07 19:46:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26437 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 02:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 02:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO twix.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 02:46:25 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 21FDB469522 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 02:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184565pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.76.80]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB5C1800BA for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 02:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030707224342.00a40c90@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:45:24 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perception is reality. My dad always told me that and I believe he is right. How we perceive something is reality to us. Doesn't matter how the other person meant it, it is how we see it as individuals that is reality for us. At 12:38 AM 7/8/03 +0000, you wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." >> wrote: >> > >> > The bottom line is that your original reply seemed suspiciously >> > "troll-like" to my eyes, and as for your "humor", I don't think >I've >> > EVER seen you use a smiley-face emotion, or even a more >conservative >> > "" mark. Maybe Star Trek's "Data" would find you to have a >good >> > sense of humor, but I just don't see it. > >Can we avoid the virtual fisticuffs here? > >> I specifically avoid the use of "smiley-face" emoticon's, or >even " >> " because it takes away the fun of seeing who gets the humor, and >who >> completely misinterprets it. > >Interpretation is entirely in the presentation. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Mon Jul 07 19:48:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85664 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 02:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 02:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 02:48:49 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 19B9373713 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 02:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from johnii.GameBox.net (pcp03184565pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.76.80]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838E61800C4 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 02:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030707224744.00a407b0@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:48:00 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay In-Reply-To: <003d01c344f4$c24cd4f0$af78fea9@juan> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can I have a Carver? *Smiles* At 10:00 PM 7/7/03 -0400, you wrote: >In my humble opinion. > >I have owned both the Rat Shack TM-152, and the Carver tx-11a. > >I appreciate your concerns about the noise on the Carver, but comparing both....I cannot see why......you think the Realistic sounds better ? > >I have some great airchecks of some 80's AM Stereo Stations, and just a couple weeks ago, I recorded some Alfredo Light transmissions on the Carver. This Radio blows away what I have heard before about AM Stereo. > >I actually hear the cymbals.....the crisp upper end of the sound. >The bass, and the brass. > >I need to upload the soundfiles, so they can be heard. > >There is NO comparison. It actually sounds better than FM Radio now. > >I recorded the Spinners Atlantic Hits, and it sounds wonderful. Wide band AM Stereo. The way It SHOULD have sounded. > >Sorry you didn't like the Carver. I wish I could have bought it off you, so I could send it to someone who would appreciate it. > > >Again, Just my Opinion. > >I Love the Carver. > > > >Juan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bta_50g > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:37 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > > > The mention earlier of the TX11a being "bad" because it went to 15KHz > > is a bit harsh, considering that when it was designed and sold, AM > > stations were allowed to transmit to 20KHz. > > AM stations were not allowed to transmit 20 kHz at the time the TX-11a > came out, the limit at that time was 15 kHz, but I think the > handwriting was already on the wall, and Carver should have known > better. In any case the 10 kHz notch filter design was faulty and put > a big hump in the response at about 11 kHz that made the tuner sound > very tizzy. > > > And I'd put my TX11b against the flat sounding TM-152 any day. > > If they didn't improve the RF front end in the TX-11b, and you were > trying to receive a station that happened to fall on a third order IM > product of two local Class IA 50,000 Watt stations, the TM-152 would > blow the doors off the TX-11. > > John > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Love in Christ: John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com My website Welcome to Napster4TheBlind "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - Authur unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 19:55:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48487 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 02:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 02:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41214.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 02:55:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20030708025513.63193.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.86] by web41214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 19:55:13 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 19:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030707224342.00a40c90@pop.GameBox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Can we have comments positive to AM Stereo instead of bagging it-most of the people on this list at least can hear the real thing-In New Zealand we have no AM Stereo but enjoy hearing all about it. Michael --- John Holcomb II wrote: > Perception is reality. My dad always told me that > and I believe he is right. How we perceive > something is reality to us. Doesn't matter how the > other person meant it, it is how we see it as > individuals that is reality for us. > > > At 12:38 AM 7/8/03 +0000, you wrote: > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" > wrote: > >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > The bottom line is that your original reply > seemed suspiciously > >> > "troll-like" to my eyes, and as for your > "humor", I don't think > >I've > >> > EVER seen you use a smiley-face emotion, or > even a more > >conservative > >> > "" mark. Maybe Star Trek's "Data" would > find you to have a > >good > >> > sense of humor, but I just don't see it. > > > >Can we avoid the virtual fisticuffs here? > > > >> I specifically avoid the use of "smiley-face" > emoticon's, or > >even " > >> " because it takes away the fun of seeing who > gets the humor, and > >who > >> completely misinterprets it. > > > >Interpretation is entirely in the presentation. > > > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Love in Christ: > > John > > Bensalem, PA > > Send me an email > > Aim: RainAngelsRule > > MSN: > > RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com > > My website > > Welcome > to Napster4TheBlind > > "Prayer does not change God; it changes you." - > Authur unknown > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Jul 07 19:56:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12554 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 02:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 02:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 02:55:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 02:55:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:55:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1195 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I specifically avoid the use of "smiley-face" emoticon's, or even > > "" because it takes away the fun of seeing who gets the humor, > > and who completely misinterprets it. > > Seeking personal enjoyment at the expense of others... sorry, but > that's a typical characteristic of a "troll". And by your reasoning, if I put in an emoticon so even the dim wits will know there is a joke hiding inside, then everything is OK. > In other words, to paraphrase the song title of a famous boy-band... > "Quit Playing Games With This Group". Don't know nothing about any "famous boy-band", why don't you climb down off your high horse and pay attention to the opinions of people posting to this group? Let's see what we have so far: Likes the OK with a On the Says the TM-152 bevy of mods Fence TM-152 sucks John B. JSG Mario Richard W. Kevin T. Juan/John A. Mouse John H. Anyone else want to weigh in with an opinion on the TM-152 John From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Jul 07 20:04:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77879 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 03:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 03:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 03:04:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 03:04:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 03:04:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 299 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g OK, that didn't work too well, Let's try again. Let's see what we have so far: Likes the TM-152 John B. Kevin T. A. Mouse OK with a bevy of mods JSG On the Fence Mario Says the TM-152 sucks Richard W. Juan/John John H. Anyone else want to weigh in with an opinion on the TM-152 John From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 20:09:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86195 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 03:09:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 03:09:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 03:09:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 03:09:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 03:09:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TM 152 and others Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 755 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.205 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > I have a TM-152. I paid $10 for it. When WCOS FM was also having the > FM signal simulcast on WCOS 1400 I compared the 2 signals. I noticed > the loss of bass response and a VERY small amount of loss of high > frequency content, BUT the AM was better to listen to as the audio > on the AM was not crushed flat like they do on the FM. This, and other responses in this thread, I believe, demonstrates that the TM-152 varied in quality, possibly from batch to batch. Some of us have decent one, while others had bad ones. Also, I suspect, quite a few different AMS radios also suffered from vast differences in quality, much like the TM-152 did. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Mon Jul 07 20:11:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87367 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 03:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 03:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-2001-2.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 03:11:26 -0000 Received: from storefull-2111.public.lawson.webtv.net (lawson-public-ipmux-1-pip-3.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.23]) by smtpout-2001-2.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 71B4F79C3A for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 20:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2111.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id UAA14916; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 20:11:26 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAny7sdYh+oMxMc47MrFIRoNggiM0CFQDIgSQjQqzeC7Jts7moAYdL5JUcoQ== Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:11:25 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 773 Message-ID: <1934-3F0A365D-1471@storefull-2111.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 8 Jul 2003 01:31:57 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 The digital delay that is mentioned is real, I have seen it first hand , A while back we had one display tv on channel 6 analog, and the other HDTV on channel 6's digital station, about a second to 1 1/2 second delay on the digital signal. Never checked the other locals, Channel 7's digital station is off the air indefinitely thanks to the tower collapse. But you often see this same effect on radio vs. television on a "live" event, like a Presidential speech. We have an Lincoln FM and Omaha FM station simulcast the same morning program on both stations, an echo effect is noticeable especially during the talk segments when listening to both stations at the same time. Phone lines can't be that s l o w , ( but with Alltel ,or Qwest anything is possible) Must be the processing. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 20:13:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45003 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 03:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 03:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 03:13:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 03:13:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 03:13:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030708025513.63193.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 447 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.205 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Can we have comments positive to AM Stereo instead of > bagging it-most of the people on this list at least > can hear the real thing-In New Zealand we have no AM > Stereo but enjoy hearing all about it. I try to maintain as positive image as possible about AM stereo, because I do care about it. Don't know if I have been successful, though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 20:30:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85478 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 03:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 03:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 03:29:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 03:29:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 03:29:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Altername methods paper Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 455 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.17.34 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb Have just finished and uploaded the final draft on my alternate methods. At the same time, I have deleted the "scribbles" that took up so much space on the server. Hope you will find the new files to be easier to understand than the old version. While this is not a full rewrite, most of the text has been clarified. I will be uploading the bibliography soon, but wanted to get the important stuff to the group. Thank you for your patience. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 20:53:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38715 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 03:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 03:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 03:53:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 03:53:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 03:53:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Great TM-152 Debate Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030707223915.02afe3c0@pop.GameBox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1323 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I used my graphic EQ and it helped nun. > I say The TM-152 sounded like crap. One issue may be the variance in the 4.5 kHz ceramic filters that were used. Some filters have a much sharper drop-off of response than others, even with the same bandwidth rating. With no modification to its circuitry whatsoever, my TM-152 was already wide enough in response that the 10 kHz carrier whistle was annoyingly strong, even for daytime reception. And when 1600 WWRL was broadcasting with their NRSC filter disabled, I measured useful audio response from them on my TM-152 up to 12 kHz -- even with no special EQ applied! In fact, I have some recordings of this, which I shall post to the AM Stereo FTP server soon. However, not all TM-152s might have been created equal. I noticed that compared to the schematic, mine has some circuitry missing, with lank spaces on the circuit board showing where various components had been omitted, mostly in the audio output section. Who knows, perhaps this extra circuitry resulted in a narrower bandwidth for those TM-152s in which it was implemented. But I've heard recordings of at least two other TM-152s besides my own, and they all sound relatively the same, with treble response that doesn't fry your tweeters out, but is at least pleasantly crisp and clear. From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon Jul 07 21:35:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44044 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 04:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 04:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 04:35:49 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030708043544.OAOS24632.fed1mtao06.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 00:35:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:35:50 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} TM 152 and others Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner One of the best sounding car stereos I ever heard was that poor-quality-control Sparkomatic. THAT radio, if it ever kept working, would have made overly processed FMs hide in shame. On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 07:36 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > I have a TM-152. I paid $10 for it. When WCOS FM was also having the > FM signal simulcast on WCOS 1400 I compared the 2 signals. I noticed > the loss of bass response and a VERY small amount of loss of high > frequency content, BUT the AM was better to listen to as the audio > on the AM was not crushed flat like they do on the FM. > > The Denon AM stereo RX is a pill. The main problem with them is > exceptionally POOR quality control. When they were available as a > special deal through the NAB, a friend of mine ordered 8. 6 were DOA > and the 7th failed there after. He still has one that works most > erratically on FM, the AM is fair. > > I have 3 SRF 42a's. > > I do a lot of my AM listening on ( I have more than 1) late 50's- > early 60's Zenith High Fidelity. The AM is. If only IBOC could > sound so good.... > > > Powell > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Inkjet cartridges up to 80% off. HP, Epson, Lexmark--we have your > brand. > Free shipping on every order to the U.S. and Canada! Excellent service. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/QWB0QC/.eUGAA/ySSFAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon Jul 07 21:42:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74937 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 04:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 04:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 04:42:34 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030708044230.NGWA27992.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 00:42:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:42:35 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <982D7FBC-B0FE-11D7-9425-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 06:37 PM, bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: >> >> The mention earlier of the TX11a being "bad" because it went to 15KHz >> is a bit harsh, considering that when it was designed and sold, AM >> stations were allowed to transmit to 20KHz. > > AM stations were not allowed to transmit 20 kHz at the time the TX-11a > came out, the limit at that time was 15 kHz, but I think the > handwriting was already on the wall, and Carver should have known > better. I thought before NRSC became "voluntary" and then law, that AM stations had no restrictions at all. I remember the Times one time mentioning that KFI went to 20 KHz, and I recall an engineer friend at a local popular FM station stating essentially the same thing. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 21:49:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49282 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 04:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 04:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 04:49:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 04:49:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 04:49:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <982D7FBC-B0FE-11D7-9425-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 459 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.205 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I thought before NRSC became "voluntary" and then law, that AM stations > had no restrictions at all. I remember the Times one time mentioning > that KFI went to 20 KHz, and I recall an engineer friend at a local > popular FM station stating essentially the same thing. Last I has heard, the NRSC curve IS voluntary in the US, but mandatory in Canada. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Jul 07 22:05:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77449 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 05:05:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 05:05:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 05:05:04 -0000 Received: from amd (h00045a211583.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.30.161.125](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003070803165301200aiigoe>; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 03:16:55 +0000 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:17:20 -0400 Message-ID: <00a801c344ff$744e3ea0$6500a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal From: "Jeff Lehmann" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll say I like it, since it's the only AM stereo base radio I have. It does lock onto stereo stations easier than my Sangean SR-66 does. I'm sure I'd like a Carver TX-11a a lot better though. Is this something that I'd have any luck at finding at a yardsale or something, or is it something not too many non-AM Stereo/Good Audio freaks had? Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA ---------------------------------------------- Likes the TM-152 John B. Kevin T. A. Mouse OK with a bevy of mods JSG On the Fence Mario Says the TM-152 sucks Richard W. Juan/John John H. Anyone else want to weigh in with an opinion on the TM-152 John Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 22:26:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3491 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 05:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 05:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 05:26:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 05:26:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 05:26:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a801c344ff$744e3ea0$6500a8c0@AMD> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 434 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.205 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Lehmann" wrote: =snip= > I'm sure I'd like a Carver TX-11a a lot better though. Is this something > that I'd have any luck at finding at a yardsale or something, or is it > something not too many non-AM Stereo/Good Audio freaks had? The Carvers were hand-made, if I recall, and retailed for several hundred dollars a pop. I might be wrong, though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 23:12:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92861 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 06:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 06:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 06:12:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 06:12:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 06:12:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: the Xium "Spilateral" antenna Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1214 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Finally, those ads for the ridiculous "Turn your whole house into a TV antenna!" units have been topped... I saw an ad for this in a car magazine: http://www.goxium.com/Xiumair1.htm It's an outdoor unidirectional, non-amplified TV antenna, styled to look like a miniature satellite dish, with a so-called "spilateral" design. The price? $129.95, plus $15 for shipping. Sorry, but I'll stick with my "rabbit ears" for now. BTW, browsing through their web site -- which is full of dead links and has some of the worst graphics I've ever seen -- the truth is discovered: the company brags about its success with the "Antenna Eliminator" devices I described above. And it describes what "spilateral" means: "The technology is based on a spiral lateral inside the antenna, which ... detects analog and digital signals and concentrates the energy at the antenna's core. The design also provides an internal grounding for the wireless device." Ummm... yeah. And look at this goof: http://www.goxium.com/news.htm "Recent Media Coverage of CompanyLongName". BWAHAHA!! Even a fifth-grader using FrontPage knows to at least click on the placeholders and type in the company's actual name! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 23:23:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40934 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 06:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 06:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 06:23:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 06:23:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 06:23:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NRSC specs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1225 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Last I has heard, the NRSC curve IS voluntary in the US, but > mandatory in Canada. It depends on *which* NRSC standard you're talking about. The "RF mask" standard is mandatory for both the USA and Canada -- and it's also used in Australia, just with all the kHz values multiplied by 9/10ths to match their 9 kHz channel spacing. On the other hand, the NRSC *audio* standard -- calling for a specific pre-emphasis curve and a sharp audio cut-off at 10 kHz -- is mandatory in Canada for all stations, but in the USA, stations don't have to employ a strict 10 kHz "brick wall" filter as long as they can meet the RF mask (indeed, that's the whole reason IBOC's +/- 15 kHz bandwidth is allowed!) and the pre-emphasis is mandatory ONLY for AM Stereo stations; mono AM stations can use any pre- emphasis they want, or even none as all, as long as they keep their modulation in check and meet the RF mask. With that in mind, it *is* possible for a carefully processed AM station to transmit audio response up to 15 or 20 kHz and still meet all the applicable regulations, but it's easier and more practical to simply install a 9.5 or 10 kHz "brick wall" audio filter, so that's what virtually all stations do. From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Jul 07 23:55:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63659 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 06:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 06:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 06:55:53 -0000 Received: from [207.173.147.246] (d238-osel-phx.fastq.com [207.173.147.246] (may be forged)) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h686tpD24775 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:55:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:55:50 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 773 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1057627917.1395.19022.m15@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: "Kevin, Cosmic, Mesa, AZ" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla John, As someone who has every appearance of hating AM stereo with a passion, why are you on this list? Kevin Message: 6 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:31:06 -0000 From: "bta_50g" Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I like the item description on this one: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3034256441 > > Is the seller a member of this group, perhaps? It doesn't seem likely that it would be a member of this group, as I seem to remember the consensus opinion here on the Realistic TM-152 was that it is the pits, only marginally better than iBiquity's HD Radio system. John Byrns _________________________________ From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Jul 07 23:59:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69383 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 06:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 06:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 06:59:51 -0000 Received: from [207.173.147.246] (d238-osel-phx.fastq.com [207.173.147.246] (may be forged)) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h686xoD24848 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:59:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:59:49 -0700 Subject: TM-152 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1057627917.1395.19022.m15@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: "Kevin, Cosmic, Mesa, AZ" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Juan, The TM-152 was marginal as an AM stereo receiver. IMO all the Sony stuff was better and the MCS 3050 is much better also. Kevin Message: 20 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:04:50 -0400 From: "Juan / John Gualda" Subject: Re: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Thank God the TM-152 wasn't the first AM Stereo radio I heard, if it was, it would have been my last. I bought it, and soon after got rid of it. The AM Stereo Car radio that Rat Shack had wasn't much better. What a waste. That ended up in a landfill. I'll take the Carver TX-11a, or even the SRF-42, or my UX-1 Delco. At least they were hi-fi. I am more intersted in Fidelity. Fidelity AND Stereo, that is what it's all about. I Could care less about narrow band crappy sounding AM. It really did ruin AM Stereo. Just my humble opinion Juan Fort Pierce, FL From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Tue Jul 08 01:13:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2707 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 08:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 08:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 08:13:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 08:13:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:13:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1128 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.16.62 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Lehmann" > wrote: > > =snip= > > > I'm sure I'd like a Carver TX-11a a lot better though. Is this > something > > that I'd have any luck at finding at a yardsale or something, or is > it > > something not too many non-AM Stereo/Good Audio freaks had? > > The Carvers were hand-made, if I recall, and retailed for several > hundred dollars a pop. I might be wrong, though. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ If I'm not mistaken, and the boardwork is what it looks like, the tuners were probably made for Bob (to his specs), by a company called Taiwan Pigeon. This is an OEM company that also did work for the likes of NAD and Proton, among others. The hand made product you're probably thinking of was the "silver seven" tube amps he sold near the end of Carver Corp. Some of the Sunfire gear is hand made also. Have to hand it to Bob. Mentioned the AM stereo capabilities of some of his products in his advertising, doing his best to keep the public aware. Oh yes, and sell some tuners. From zebra@strangeanimals.net Tue Jul 08 03:43:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87772 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 10:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 10:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 10:43:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 10:43:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 10:43:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TM-152 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 594 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiozebra" X-Originating-IP: 204.31.160.38 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra My TM-152 was very dissapointing. I thought at the time that it was the worst sounding AM radio I'd ever heard. A recent rental car had a worse one however. Musta gone all the way to 2 KHz or something. Those airchecks weren't very impressive but they were at least better than my unit. I have modified an old heathkit with the little chris cuff board, and some op-amp notch filters (and one IF filter basically bypassed) and IT sounds very nice indeed, with a good approximation of the NRSC curve. I like hi-fi AM as opposed to stereo at any costs AM anyway. Just my 0.02 Mike O'Hara From oscar@globility.com Tue Jul 08 05:44:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67485 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 12:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 12:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 12:44:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 12:44:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:44:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1275 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy > If I'm not mistaken, and the boardwork is what it looks like, the > tuners were probably made for Bob (to his specs), by a company called > Taiwan Pigeon. I'll bet the search engines were on afterburner looking for "Taiwan Pigeon" after that plum was dropped. Unfortunately, the terms also applies to the sport of racing pigeons in Taiwan. I did find the sight dealing with Green Whistling pigeon to be interestingly appropriate. As it relates to AM stereo, I don't doubt the TX11B sounded pretty good. However, sensitivity seemed to be the Achilles heel in both the tuner and the receiver. I recall the translator for my favorite FM radio station dying every night around 7pm ..... that was until we had the CE take out the TX11B and replace it on spec with a unit from the company with whom I was then a principal(and now my competitor). They bought the replacement unit and sold the TX11B. Carver did a very good job of marketing the name, especially Bob's reputation for being "inventive". The Silver Seven series seemed to be more about aesthetics (round meters) than anything else. However, I believe it was the distaff member of their relationship that was more responsible for their success in marketing than was Bob. My nickel's worth MS From bjackson@indyradio.com Tue Jul 08 06:36:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5437 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 13:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 13:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 13:36:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 13:36:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:36:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TM 152 and others Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1212 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.142.64 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > This, and other responses in this thread, I believe, demonstrates > that the TM-152 varied in quality, possibly from batch to batch. Some > of us have decent one, while others had bad ones. > > Also, I suspect, quite a few different AMS radios also suffered from > vast differences in quality, much like the TM-152 did. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I would tend to agree with Amy. I got one of the TM-152's when they first came out (1986) so I could hear 1010 WCSI in stereo. It tended to be very bass shy. For example, on a Delco car radio I could hear the 25hz tones put out during Chicago Cubs baseball, but not on the TM-152. The highs were muffled, especially on weak signals. When RS finally closed them out (it seems like it was 1989 or 1990 while I was working at WRZQ), I picked up an "extra" which had much improved bass and treble. I would guess at least 10khz bandwidth...You can hear the whistle. Sometimes it's louder than KCJJ's audio! I still have both of them. The older one (worse audio) was made in Korea, while the newer and better sounding was made in Taiwan. - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jul 08 06:57:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88944 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 13:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 13:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 13:57:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 13:57:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:57:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <982D7FBC-B0FE-11D7-9425-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2459 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > I thought before NRSC became "voluntary" and then law, that AM > stations had no restrictions at all. I remember the Times one time > mentioning that KFI went to 20 KHz, and I recall an engineer friend > at a local popular FM station stating essentially the same thing. I don't believe the NRSC based RF mask is voluntary, I am quite sure it is a requirement. A copy of the FCC regulations from about 1960 includes an RF mask specification that is virtually identical in form to the current RF mask, except that the channel is defined as being 30 kHz wide instead of 20 kHz wide as it is at present. The interesting question is when was the 30 kHz mask first put in place, and what were the rules prior to the 30 kHz mask? Perhaps there were no rules on occupied bandwidth way back when, which could explain the comments about 20 kHz audio. One does have to wonder how much 20 kHz audio program material was around way back when. Live studio shows would be about the extent of it, as the typical network feed was 5 kHz, and the old standard grove transcriptions weren't all that great either. One also has to wonder how the 20 kHz audio signal was conveyed from the studio to the transmitter in the days before STL "microwave" links. I think the best the phone company offered was a 15 kHz line, although I believe most AM stations used 8 kHz STL lines. I suppose that if the transmitter was not far from the studio, it might have been possible for the station personnel to equalize a non equalized phone company copper line out to 20 kHz, but why bother when the program material didn't justify it. Whether or not it made any real difference, I suppose it was an ego thing with the engineers, although other engineers believed the rules should restrict AM audio to 5 kHz, to reduce nighttime adjacent channel skywave interference. The 1949 edition of the "NAB Engineering Handbook" contains a somewhat abridged version of the "FCC Standards of Good Engineering Practice Concerning Standard Broadcast Stations" as revised July 15, 1949, and I can find no reference to occupied bandwidth limitations in it. If this wasn't something the NAB left out of the book, then the 30 kHz channel, 15 kHz audio, regulation must have been put in place sometime during the 1950's. When was the "Times" article that you mention printed? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jul 08 06:59:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76571 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 13:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 13:59:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 13:59:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 13:59:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:59:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 773 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 659 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin, Cosmic, Mesa, AZ" < amfmdx@f...> wrote: > > John, > > As someone who has every appearance of hating AM stereo with a > passion, why are you on this list? How do you figure I "hate AM stereo with a passion"? Simply because I believe the future of "AM Stereo" lies in digital systems? I love the old analog "AM Stereo" systems, but they had their time in the sun and failed, partly because many people misjudge the importance of stereo to radio. The old analog AM Stereo systems are very interesting from a historical and technical perspective, but they don't have a future in MW broadcasting. John From rwagoner1@mac.com Tue Jul 08 07:30:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40886 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 14:30:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 14:30:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 14:30:21 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030708143019.RNRG27992.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:30:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:30:19 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Quality must vary here as well: my TX11B is extremely sensitive. Best AM or FM tuner I have owned. On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 05:44 AM, Mr.M S wrote: > >> If I'm not mistaken, and the boardwork is what it looks like, the >> tuners were probably made for Bob (to his specs), by a company > called >> Taiwan Pigeon. > > I'll bet the search engines were on afterburner looking for "Taiwan > Pigeon" after that plum was dropped. Unfortunately, the terms also > applies to the sport of racing pigeons in Taiwan. I did find the > sight dealing with Green Whistling pigeon to be interestingly > appropriate. > > As it relates to AM stereo, I don't doubt the TX11B sounded pretty > good. However, sensitivity seemed to be the Achilles heel in both the > tuner and the receiver. I recall the translator for my favorite FM > radio station dying every night around 7pm ..... that was until we > had the CE take out the TX11B and replace it on spec with a unit from > the company with whom I was then a principal(and now my competitor). > They bought the replacement unit and sold the TX11B. Carver did a > very good job of marketing the name, especially Bob's reputation for > being "inventive". The Silver Seven series seemed to be more about > aesthetics (round meters) than anything else. However, I believe it > was the distaff member of their relationship that was more > responsible for their success in marketing than was Bob. > > My nickel's worth > > MS > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Save up to 80% on top-quality inkjet cartridges and get your order > fast! > FREE shipping on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. Shop at > Myinks.com! > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/v2G7ND/KfUGAA/ySSFAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From oscar@globility.com Tue Jul 08 08:01:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3046 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 15:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 15:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 15:01:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 15:00:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:00:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 426 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: >I did find the > sight dealing with Green Whistling pigeon to be interestingly > appropriate. Sorry, "sight" = "site". I was under the mistaken impression that it was something else that goes "first" when you pass the big 50. Obviously its my ability to spell. I'm still trying to figure out why, when I type "digital", it comes out "didgital".> MS From oscar@globility.com Tue Jul 08 08:29:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43872 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 15:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 15:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 15:29:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 15:29:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:29:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1057 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Quality must vary here as well: my TX11B is extremely sensitive. Best > AM or FM tuner I have owned. Of that I have no doubt, Richard. It seemed that, with many of the current tuners of the day being "offshore-sourced", there was a misplaced value on the truth in specs and they did vary; sometimes considerably. In fact it's part of the reason why the industry adopted that sensitivity be expressed in dB/femtowatt (dBf) instead of microvolts. It seems that some mfrs were using a 75 ohm input as their base for determining sensitivity, while the industry in general was basing its sensitivy figures on a 300 ohm input. It seemed a waste of time and brainpower to do so. All they had to do was to have the FCC lay down a rule on how specs were to be expressedinstruct If it be of value to you, I have a dBf to uV conversion chart we did for those, like me, who would find it useful. If you'd like me to send it to you, please contact me off the forum. MS From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 08 08:30:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25302 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 15:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 15:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 15:29:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 15:29:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:29:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TM 152 and others Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 501 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.205 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: =snip= > I still have both of them. The older one (worse audio) was made in > Korea, while the newer and better sounding was made in Taiwan. I do believe mine WAS made in Taiwan! Those of us who have good TM- 152s probably all have the later Taiwan-made models. I feel sorry for those who got stuck with the Korean models. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 08 08:35:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82017 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 15:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 15:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12808.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 15:35:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20030708153512.38673.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:35:12 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: TM 152 and others To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > When RS finally closed them out (it seems like it was 1989 or 1990 > while I was working at WRZQ), I picked up an "extra" which had much > improved bass and treble. I would guess at least 10khz > bandwidth...You can hear the whistle. Sometimes it's louder than > KCJJ's audio! > I still have both of them. The older one (worse audio) was made in > Korea, while the newer and better sounding one was made in Taiwan. This strongly hints that the TM-152's design and performance were IMPROVED over time. So if you got one of the early ones, it was likely disappointing, as some people here have very emphatically expressed. But if you got one of the later models, you'll likely be pleased with its audio quality. Here's another recording of an original, unmodified TM-152, circa 1995, receiving "Power 1490" KJYK -- an AM Stereo station with an unusual Dance format, and quite a nice mix of music (with a live DJ), considering it was a 1 kW "graveyard channel" station: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/usa/az/kjyk.mp3 The audio bandwidth you hear is only limited by the MP3 encoding, to about 9 kHz. The original cassette recording has quite a strong 10 kHz whistle on it. I encourage the TM-152 owners here to check out the schematic diagram, available in this directory: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/ If the components I crossed out are not present on yours, then you likely have one of the later/better models. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From jim@burgan.net Tue Jul 08 09:16:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38287 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 16:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 16:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.asp.att.net) (63.240.76.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 16:16:20 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-233-146.client.insightbb.com[12.221.233.146]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030708161619im2001r38de>; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:16:20 +0000 Message-ID: <006501c3456c$44d10780$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:16:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 >OK, that didn't work too well, Let's try again. >Let's see what we have so far: >Likes the TM-152 >John B. >Kevin T. >A. Mouse >OK with a bevy of mods >JSG >On the Fence >Mario >Says the TM-152 sucks >Richard W. >Juan/John >John H. >Anyone else want to weigh in with an opinion on the TM-152 >John I have a TM-152 and use a Radio Shack Select loop antenna (Cat: 12-1852) and it works quite well. It is hooked up to my Onkyo receiver and when I tune ot to WZZB (1390 Seymour, Indiana) it sounds as good as any FM station using the Onkyo tuner. I have frequently asked frineds to play the game ("is this AM or FM") and not one has ever guessed that they were listening to AM radio (WZZB has an incredible airchain). My vote goes with John, Kevin and Amy. My Sony SRF-42 doesn't sound any better than the TM-152. -Jim- From dougharding@mindspring.com Tue Jul 08 09:36:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37707 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 16:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 16:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 16:36:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 16:35:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:35:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7960412D-B0E3-11D7-9425-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1555 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 06:04 PM, Juan / John Gualda wrote: > > > Thank God the TM-152 wasn't the first AM Stereo radio I heard, if it > > was, it would have been my last. I bought it, and soon after got rid > > of it. > > > > The AM Stereo Car radio that Rat Shack had wasn't much better. What a > > waste. That ended up in a landfill. > > > > I'll take the Carver TX-11a, or even the SRF-42, or my UX-1 Delco. > > At least they were hi-fi. I am more intersted in Fidelity. Fidelity > > AND Stereo, that is what it's all about. > > > > I Could care less about narrow band crappy sounding AM. It really did > > ruin AM Stereo. > > > > > > > > Just my humble opinion > > > > Juan > > Fort Pierce, FL > > > > > Those were EXACTLY my reactions to the RS radios. I know a lot of people who when hearing AM stereo for the first time on the Radio Shack TM-152 including myself said so what if its in stereo, IT STILL SOUNDS LIKE CRAP!. A couple of months later I received my first Sony SRF-A100 radio as a gift. When I connected it to my stereo and heard WHAS 840 in stereo I was blown away. It sounded better then FM! I was hooked and have been a fan ever since. I also think my Carver TX11a sounds great. Not as good as my Fanfare but almost. The point is Crappy narrowband AM stereo radios like the TM-152 ruined AM stereo. Think of the reach of Radio Shack and that the TM-152 was the first and probably the last AM stereo many in the public heard. Just my dime From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 08 10:19:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63222 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 17:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 17:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12809.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 17:14:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20030708171414.46187.qmail@web12809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 10:14:14 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The point is Crappy narrowband AM stereo radios like the TM-152 ruined > AM stereo. Think of the reach of Radio Shack and that the TM-152 was the > first and probably the last AM stereo many in the public heard. The point you're making clear is that it's not the *radios* that "ruined" AM Stereo, it was the crappy *initial impressions*. It seems that SOMEBODY at the Tandy headquarters discovered that people were not happy with the early TM-152s, so at some point they improved the design. However, since they kept the model number the same, people like yourself never came back to give it a second chance, and believe that *all* TM-152s are as bad as the ones that first hit the store shelves. This may very well happen to IBOC as well. Even if is thoroughly redesigned and suddenly becomes a wonderful system with clean, clear audio and a hash-free signal, people will still remember their initial impressions, of its splattering over multiple adjacent channels and its gritty, wishy-washy sub-MP3-quality digital audio. First impressions can be a killer. But sometimes, with enough persistence, a product or service can recover. FM radio is a fine example of this. The audio quality may have been fantastic, but early FM radios were expensive and unstable (at least until AFC became common), and FM reception in a car was nearly impossible. (I have a consumer buying guide from 1967 and it pretty much says outright that a car radio with FM is a waste.) But as soon as FM radios with acceptable performance became widely available, people started to change their minds, and wherever FM stations with attractive programming were on the air, it soon became the preferred choice for radio listening. Some cars were still being sold with AM-only radios as late as 1989, but the writing was on the wall at least a decade before then. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 08 10:32:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5353 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 17:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 17:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 17:32:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20030708173220.31811.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 10:32:20 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TM-152 Tuner Thoughts To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I'm sure that 'your mileage will vary' applies to the Radio Shack 1st Generation AM Stereo tuners - in fact, mine was modified at the factory with some cut traces and added 1/8Watt resistors! As-is, the stereo separation is quite good. My model even has a 10KHz 'whistle', so frequency response approaches that. I vote that the tuner is quite good with some modifications. As mentioned by others, coming straight off the L and R output pins of the MC13020 chip will bypass the bass-robbing cirucitry. Replacing the IF filter helps too. The other option, which I've done, is to buy a Chris Cuff AM Stereo decoder with the 3rd Generation MC13038 chip and use the audio from that with the TM152 tuner and wider IF filter. That makes quite a respectable package. In addition, I doubt very much that the Allied Radio Shack 1st Generation FM Stereo tuners were as good as the TM-152? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jul 08 12:01:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98368 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 19:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 19:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 19:01:55 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-114.skyweb.net [66.6.130.242]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h68J8163043702 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:08:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3F0B1470.93FAD9DA@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:58:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well for the record. I am running Two 15khz Broadcast lines between the studio and the transmitter site. FULL AM STEREO. Neal bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > wrote: > > > > I thought before NRSC became "voluntary" and then law, that AM > > stations had no restrictions at all. I remember the Times one time > > mentioning that KFI went to 20 KHz, and I recall an engineer friend > > at a local popular FM station stating essentially the same thing. > > I don't believe the NRSC based RF mask is voluntary, I am quite sure > it is a requirement. > > A copy of the FCC regulations from about 1960 includes an RF mask > specification that is virtually identical in form to the current RF > mask, except that the channel is defined as being 30 kHz wide instead > of 20 kHz wide as it is at present. > > The interesting question is when was the 30 kHz mask first put in > place, and what were the rules prior to the 30 kHz mask? Perhaps > there were no rules on occupied bandwidth way back when, which could > explain the comments about 20 kHz audio. One does have to wonder how > much 20 kHz audio program material was around way back when. Live > studio shows would be about the extent of it, as the typical network > feed was 5 kHz, and the old standard grove transcriptions weren't all > that great either. One also has to wonder how the 20 kHz audio signal > was conveyed from the studio to the transmitter in the days before STL > "microwave" links. I think the best the phone company offered was a > 15 kHz line, although I believe most AM stations used 8 kHz STL lines. > I suppose that if the transmitter was not far from the studio, it > might have been possible for the station personnel to equalize a non > equalized phone company copper line out to 20 kHz, but why bother when > the program material didn't justify it. Whether or not it made any > real difference, I suppose it was an ego thing with the engineers, > although other engineers believed the rules should restrict AM audio > to 5 kHz, to reduce nighttime adjacent channel skywave interference. > The 1949 edition of the "NAB Engineering Handbook" contains a somewhat > abridged version of the "FCC Standards of Good Engineering Practice > Concerning Standard Broadcast Stations" as revised July 15, 1949, and > I can find no reference to occupied bandwidth limitations in it. If > this wasn't something the NAB left out of the book, then the 30 kHz > channel, 15 kHz audio, regulation must have been put in place sometime > during the 1950's. When was the "Times" article that you mention > printed? > > John > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougharding@mindspring.com Tue Jul 08 13:52:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55519 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 20:52:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 20:52:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 20:52:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 20:51:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:51:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030708171414.46187.qmail@web12809.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1125 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > The point is Crappy narrowband AM stereo radios like the TM-152 ruined > > AM stereo. Think of the reach of Radio Shack and that the TM-152 was the > > first and probably the last AM stereo many in the public heard. > > The point you're making clear is that it's not the *radios* that "ruined" > AM Stereo, it was the crappy *initial impressions*. It seems that SOMEBODY > at the Tandy headquarters discovered that people were not happy with the > early TM-152s, so at some point they improved the design. However, since > they kept the model number the same, people like yourself never came back > to give it a second chance, and believe that *all* TM-152s are as bad as > the ones that first hit the store shelves. The problem Kevin is that Radio Shack could have put in their flyer new and improved and promoted the fact that they had fixed the TM-152. I certainly had no reason to ever try it again. After joining this forum I discovered that you could modify it but I never knew and Radio Shack never told anyone that they had fixed it. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 08 14:00:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6611 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 21:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 21:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 21:00:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 21:00:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:00:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1038 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.205 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > The problem Kevin is that Radio Shack could have put in their flyer > new and improved and promoted the fact that they had fixed the TM- 152. > I certainly had no reason to ever try it again. After joining this > forum I discovered that you could modify it but I never knew and Radio > Shack never told anyone that they had fixed it. If this were the case, they would have been makingt frequent notices in their flyers and catalogs that all their equipment is "new and improved", since, like the TM-152, everything they made went through frequent revisions. There's an old saying about never buying a new product early in its shelf life, or something to that effect. Always wait a few months to a year before buying, until they get the bugs out. (It's like using software that's version 1.0- Wait a bit and it will be worth your time. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Jul 08 14:05:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46946 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 21:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 21:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 21:04:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 21:04:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:04:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TM 152 and others Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030708153512.38673.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 764 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > I encourage the TM-152 owners here to check out the schematic diagram, > available in this directory: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/ > > If the components I crossed out are not present on yours, then you > likely have one of the later/better models. > Yea mine didn't have that either. That's the muting circuit that was supposed operate off the lock detector pin (10). The pin only goes low momentarily when tuning to the channel but will stay high even when there is no signal to lock onto. Needless to say the mute circuit didn't operate as planned thinking that the lock pin would always stay low until a station was tuned which was not the case. JSG From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Jul 08 14:30:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61855 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 21:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 21:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf22aec.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 21:30:18 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.211.128.186]) by imf22aec.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030708213017.HECN27778.imf22aec.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:30:17 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c34598$22e5fff0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <20030708153512.38673.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: TM 152 and others Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:30:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: TM 152 and others > When RS finally closed them out (it seems like it was 1989 or 1990 > while I was working at WRZQ), I picked up an "extra" which had much > improved bass and treble. I would guess at least 10khz > bandwidth...You can hear the whistle. Sometimes it's louder than > KCJJ's audio! > I still have both of them. The older one (worse audio) was made in > Korea, while the newer and better sounding one was made in Taiwan. This strongly hints that the TM-152's design and performance were IMPROVED over time. So if you got one of the early ones, it was likely disappointing, as some people here have very emphatically expressed. But if you got one of the later models, you'll likely be pleased with its audio quality. Here's another recording of an original, unmodified TM-152, circa 1995, receiving "Power 1490" KJYK -- an AM Stereo station with an unusual Dance format, and quite a nice mix of music (with a live DJ), considering it was a 1 kW "graveyard channel" station: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/usa/az/kjyk.mp3 This aint the TM-152 I heard. What a difference from what I experienced when I first plugged it in and listened. Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jul 08 15:51:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18858 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 22:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 22:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 22:51:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 22:51:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 22:51:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F0B1470.93FAD9DA@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 748 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.229 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > Well for the record. I am running Two 15khz Broadcast lines between > the studio and the transmitter site. FULL AM STEREO. You are running "Broadcast lines"!? I thought it was the group consensus that phone line STLs were "crap", and really degraded AM STEREO performance? But the question was not about modern AM Stereo broadcast plants, but was about KFI running 20 kHz audio, presumably back in the days before the 15 kHz limit was established. How well does a "15khz Broadcast line" hold up at 20 kHz? While the KFI quote may not go back quite that far, another question is whether "15khz Broadcast lines" where even available in the days before FM. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jul 08 15:51:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6658 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 22:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 22:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 22:51:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2003 22:51:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 22:51:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F0B1470.93FAD9DA@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 748 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.229 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > Well for the record. I am running Two 15khz Broadcast lines between > the studio and the transmitter site. FULL AM STEREO. You are running "Broadcast lines"!? I thought it was the group consensus that phone line STLs were "crap", and really degraded AM STEREO performance? But the question was not about modern AM Stereo broadcast plants, but was about KFI running 20 kHz audio, presumably back in the days before the 15 kHz limit was established. How well does a "15khz Broadcast line" hold up at 20 kHz? While the KFI quote may not go back quite that far, another question is whether "15khz Broadcast lines" where even available in the days before FM. John From alfredot@inetarena.com Tue Jul 08 15:59:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68856 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 22:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 22:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 22:59:13 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust77.tnt16.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [67.227.163.77]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h68Ms33w019914 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:57:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TM 152 and others In-Reply-To: <1057647360.6250.63677.m6@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > This, and other responses in this thread, I believe, demonstrates > that the TM-152 varied in quality, possibly from batch to batch. Some > of us have decent one, while others had bad ones. > > Also, I suspect, quite a few different AMS radios also suffered from > vast differences in quality, much like the TM-152 did. I think that you hit the nail right on the head. Remember that the schematic that came with this radio had a disclaimer on it that read something like "specifications subject to change without notice." The schematic for my radio showed a muting circuit in the audio output section (which Kevin alluded to), but said circuit is not included in the radio. Based on my experiences with my TM-152 in its pre-modification form, I have to vote for "Sucks." The reasons for my voting this way are that the stock unit that I played with had: * a noisy local oscillator * whimpy bass * low sensitivity * mediocre highs--not as bad as most AM radios, but not "sparkley," either Alfredo From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Jul 08 16:53:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60516 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 23:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2003 23:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 23:53:55 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-88-98.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.98]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h68NrmtT007581 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:53:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00ad01c345ac$58d129a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <00a801c344ff$744e3ea0$6500a8c0@AMD> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Carvers- was Realistic TM-152 on eBay Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:54:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude To actually answer your question, Jeff, they do appear on ebay at times- usually selling in the $300 range. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems the original TX-11 was mono, the 11a was AMS, and the 11b had expanded band. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lehmann" > I'm sure I'd like a Carver TX-11a a lot better though. Is this something > that I'd have any luck at finding at a yardsale or something, or is it > something not too many non-AM Stereo/Good Audio freaks had? > > Jeff Lehmann From droach@direct.ca Tue Jul 08 17:17:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: droach@direct.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18647 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 00:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 00:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes53.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 00:17:14 -0000 Received: from dan.direct.ca ([64.180.122.175]) by priv-edtnes53.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030709001711.KLZB345.priv-edtnes53.telusplanet.net@dan.direct.ca> for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:17:11 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20030708172334.02ceb5c0@mail.direct.ca> X-Sender: droach@direct.ca@mail.direct.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 17:23:59 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Carvers- was Realistic TM-152 on eBay In-Reply-To: <00ad01c345ac$58d129a0$827dfea9@home1> References: <00a801c344ff$744e3ea0$6500a8c0@AMD> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Dan Roach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=75892843 X-Yahoo-Profile: rastadudeca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 06:54 PM 7/8/03 -0500, you wrote: >To actually answer your question, Jeff, they do appear on ebay at times- >usually selling in the $300 range. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but it >seems the original TX-11 was mono, the 11a was AMS, and the 11b had expanded >band. The b model also appears to be NRSC compliant. The a was not. >Scott Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Lehmann" > > > I'm sure I'd like a Carver TX-11a a lot better though. Is this something > > that I'd have any luck at finding at a yardsale or something, or is it > > something not too many non-AM Stereo/Good Audio freaks had? > > > > Jeff Lehmann > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT >3938371c.jpg >39383749.jpg > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Tue Jul 08 18:26:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4882 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 01:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 01:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 01:26:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2003 01:26:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 01:26:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1213 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.16.183 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > >I did find the > > sight dealing with Green Whistling pigeon to be interestingly > > appropriate. > Especially if it whistles in the 9.5 KC range. (We'll split the diff between the States and elswhere) > Sorry, "sight" = "site". I was under the mistaken impression that it > was something else that goes "first" when you pass the big 50. > Obviously its my ability to spell. I'm still trying to figure out > why, when I type "digital", it comes out "didgital".> > > MS Funny, I seem to have the same malady. The pharase "digital communications" sometimes comes out di__g___al co___n___ans. Like the steering problem my car has near garage sales and setch. Back on topic, ponder this. If the last incarnations of the famed (and lately inflamed) TM-152 were improved over the first radios, then the folks who bought them at close-out wound up getting a muuuuch better deal than those that had to be the "first on the block" to buy them. BTW, let's get a letter writing campaign going to try to convert Radio Disney to analog stereo. Any takers?! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 08 18:35:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52456 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 01:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 01:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 01:35:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2003 01:35:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 01:35:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Here he goes again... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 169 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You are running "Broadcast lines"!? I thought it was the group > consensus that phone line STLs were "crap", and really degraded > AM STEREO performance? Sigh.... From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 08 18:39:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6958 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 01:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 01:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 01:39:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2003 01:39:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 01:39:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 287 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.205 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: =snip= > BTW, let's get a letter writing campaign going to try to convert > Radio Disney to analog stereo. Any takers?! Many, if not most, of Radio Disney's AM outlets ARE AM stereo. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 08 18:40:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62958 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 01:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 01:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 01:40:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2003 01:40:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 01:40:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Carver tuners Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ad01c345ac$58d129a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 696 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems the original TX-11 > was mono, the 11a was AMS, and the 11b had expanded band. The original TX-11 was FM-ONLY. I've also heard of a TX-11c, but never seen real evidence that that model existed. There is a Carver TX-12 as well, but I've never heard of it having AM Stereo. BTW, lately there have been a lot of Carver TX-2 tuners showing up on eBay. These have very good AM performance, with a good compromise between bandwidth and selectivity. They tune the full Expanded Band, and make an excellent conversion to AM Stereo. Some of the later Carver tuner/preamps, like the CT-23 or CT-26, supposedly have very good (mono) AM as well. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 08 18:45:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30110 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 01:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 01:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 01:45:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2003 01:44:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 01:44:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Look who's back! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 106 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics "This page was last modified on July 5, 2003 Webmaster: Alex K." http://www.geocities.com/amstereo2000/ From bjackson@indyradio.com Tue Jul 08 19:11:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45627 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 02:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 02:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 02:11:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2003 02:11:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 02:11:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Carvers- was Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ad01c345ac$58d129a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 574 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > To actually answer your question, Jeff, they do appear on ebay at times- > usually selling in the $300 range. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but it > seems the original TX-11 was mono, the 11a was AMS, and the 11b had expanded > band. > > Scott Todd > Not quite. The Carver tx-11 was FM only. The tx-11a was AM Stereo *and* expanded band (this is the model I have). The tx-11b, from what I understand, has the correct de-emphasis for AM Stereo. - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From dav259@csiro.au Tue Jul 08 21:19:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18142 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 04:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 04:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 04:19:48 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h694JkJ16034 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:19:46 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:19:46 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Look who's back! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > "This page was last modified on July 5, 2003 > Webmaster: Alex K." > > http://www.geocities.com/amstereo2000/ Praise the Lord! Now let's all advance the cause ... From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Tue Jul 08 23:39:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22706 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 06:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 06:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 06:39:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2003 06:39:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 06:39:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 733 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.16.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > wrote: > > =snip= > > > BTW, let's get a letter writing campaign going to try to convert > > Radio Disney to analog stereo. Any takers?! > > Many, if not most, of Radio Disney's AM outlets ARE AM stereo. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Thanks. Maybe I can now nudge my local outlet to turn on the C-QuAM and fix that atrocious audio they have. It'll involve someone going out to the transmitter site tho, probably the first someone's been there in weeks. :). BTW, I've cleaned up the Quampliphase section, before I log off this session I'll have traded the docs for a PDF. Enjoy! From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Jul 08 23:48:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4673 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 06:48:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 06:48:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 06:48:39 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.100] (d68-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.100]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h696mbD70893 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:48:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 23:48:35 -0700 Subject: For John Byrns To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1057709846.2107.18659.m12@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: "Kevin, Cosmic, Mesa, AZ" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla on 7/8/03 17:17, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com at amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: John, You certainly at times give the appearance that you have an intense dislike for any analog AM Stereo system. There has been little good you have ever said about it. I believe analog is the wave of the future. That said, I also believe that the implementation of digital on the MW BCB is extremely poor at best. I also believe again, for the 75 trillionth time that it belongs in the UHF band where conditions are stable. I don't have a big set of issues with digital on the VHF FM BCB although I would think that UHF is still much better. There is enough frequency within each 200 kHz channel for analog and digital to exist until the change over is finally complete, but I would still prefer to see it as a stand alone band in the UHF frequency range. There is little doubt that digital will be the future of radio, I just think the implementation sucks and stinks to high heaven. Kevin > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:59:26 -0000 > From: "bta_50g" > Subject: Re: Digest Number 773 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin, Cosmic, Mesa, AZ" < > amfmdx@f...> wrote: >> >> John, >> >> As someone who has every appearance of hating AM stereo with a >> passion, why are you on this list? > > > How do you figure I "hate AM stereo with a passion"? Simply because I > believe the future of "AM Stereo" lies in digital systems? I love the > old analog "AM Stereo" systems, but they had their time in the sun and > failed, partly because many people misjudge the importance of stereo > to radio. The old analog AM Stereo systems are very interesting from > a historical and technical perspective, but they don't have a future > in MW broadcasting. From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jul 09 08:18:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57384 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 15:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 15:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 15:18:10 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.77] (d45-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.77]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h69FI9D80185 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:18:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 08:18:07 -0700 Subject: For John Byrns: a correction To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1057737447.527.9336.m12@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: "Kevin, Cosmic, Mesa, AZ" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla The beginning should read "I believe DIGITAL is the wave of the future"... Kevin on 7/9/03 0:57, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com at amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > I believe analog is the wave of the future. That said, I also believe that > the implementation of digital on the MW BCB is extremely poor at best. I > also believe again, for the 75 trillionth time that it belongs in the UHF > band where conditions are stable. From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jul 09 09:32:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32017 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 16:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 16:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 16:32:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2003 16:32:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:32:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TM 152 and others Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3264 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > > I would tend to agree with Amy. I got one of the TM-152's when they > first came out (1986) so I could hear 1010 WCSI in stereo. It tended > to be very bass shy. For example, on a Delco car radio I could hear > the 25hz tones put out during Chicago Cubs baseball, but not on the > TM-152. The highs were muffled, especially on weak signals. Aren't they supposed to filter out those 25 Hz tones before putting the audio on the air? The bass performance should be easily improved by modifying the high pass filter the TM-152 uses to eliminate the C-Quam 25 Hz "pilot" tone. Is there a standard modification for the filter? I have seen people recommend bypassing the high pass filter altogether, any comments on how much potential problem the 25 Hz pilot can cause, I suspect it is very system dependent. I took a look at the filter design, and it is pretty egregious, seriously chopping the bass. It isn't clear to me why RS didn't use a notch filter like a "twin tee", or something similar, to eliminate the 25 Hz pilot? The filter RS used appears to be a three pole active high pass filter, involving Q6 & Q7, plus three capacitors in each channel. It looks like the most straightforward modification to the filter would be to double the value of all three capacitors in each channel from 0.047u to 0.1u, perhaps tweaking the third capacitor to 0.12 u for flatter response. This should extend the bass response by an octave, although the 25 kHz attenuation would be reduced. I don't have the 0.1 u capacitors to try this right now, but I am toying with a different filter change that would make use parts I have. Has anyone modified the cutoff frequency of the high pass filter, rather than simply bypassing it? Also there is a single pole low pass filter directly connected to the output of the 13020, which has a lower cutoff frequency than I would consider desirable. If I cut the time constant of this filter in half, am I going to have trouble with IF frequency garbage causing problems in the audio stages? > When RS finally closed them out (it seems like it was 1989 or 1990 > while I was working at WRZQ), I picked up an "extra" which had much > improved bass and treble. I would guess at least 10khz > bandwidth...You can hear the whistle. Sometimes it's louder than > KCJJ's audio! It would be interesting to compare an early production model with a late production model TM-152 to see what changes RS made to improve the bass and treble response? > I still have both of them. The older one (worse audio) was made in > Korea, while the newer and better sounding was made in Taiwan. Are you sure about this Korea vs. Taiwan thing? I thought I bought my TM-152 as soon as they first came out, and it says made in Taiwan. I may have saved the receipt with the purchase date, I will have to have a look around and see if I can find it. It is possible that when I first went to the local Radio Shack to purchase the TM-152, that they were all sold out, and I had to come back a few weeks later when they had restocked. If that is the case it might imply that only the very earliest production was from Korea. John From bjackson@indyradio.com Wed Jul 09 10:02:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63182 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 17:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 17:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 17:02:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2003 17:02:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:02:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TM 152 and others Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1787 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.91 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > Aren't they supposed to filter out those 25 Hz tones before putting > the audio on the air? I believe most stations do/did filter that out. However, WCSI never did. Jim on this list used to work there, as did I, and in the studio you could see the woofers move along with the VU meters on the board. I don't know why they never filtered. > It would be interesting to compare an early production model with a > late production model TM-152 to see what changes RS made to improve > the bass and treble response? Since I still have both, I'll see if I can't get an MP3 put together. I just have to find the time. It seems like I haven't had *any* free time lately! > Are you sure about this Korea vs. Taiwan thing? I thought I bought my > TM-152 as soon as they first came out, and it says made in Taiwan. I > may have saved the receipt with the purchase date, I will have to have > a look around and see if I can find it. It is possible that when I > first went to the local Radio Shack to purchase the TM-152, that they > were all sold out, and I had to come back a few weeks later when they > had restocked. If that is the case it might imply that only the very > earliest production was from Korea. > > John Not being a Tandy employee, I can't say for sure...I'm just telling you what the backs of my two units say. But Radio Shack did have a habit of making minor changes on things and keeping the same model numbers. Being a TRS-80 Color Computer collector as well, I know that there are at least 6 variations of the CoCo 2...Some made in Korea, some in Taiwan, and the last models being American made. - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - http://www.indyradio.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 09 12:21:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21398 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 19:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 19:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 19:21:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20030709192130.53312.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 12:21:30 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT: FCC needs engineers, not lawyers (caution: rant mode) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Rant Mode ON: I am convinced that the FCC will support (and eventually approve) any piece of garbage laid in front of them if it comes with enough travel junkets, lobbyist BSers and fancy (albeit faked) demonstrations. I'm not just talking about AM IBOC/HD radio either, but now this BPL - Broadband over Power Line proves that our FCC commissioners are as dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to any of the technical aspects of any form of broadcasting or interference. Just read Chairman Powell's comments, and you'll read that BPL all about big buck$, and who cares about interference - not even a concern of his? Doesn't he know that telephone modems work just about anywhere? The FCC needs ENGINEERS, NOT LAWYERS! As you can tell, I'm pretty frosted about the FCC giving away more RF noise generation to decimate the AM broadcast, SW bands, and (80% of the) Amateur Radio bands! What can we do? If I'm not mistaken, you can currently obtain Internet access via telephone modem, many telephone ADSLs, many cable modems and satellite modems; so why would we need the RF equivalent of Light Dimmers on every overhead powerline in the country? You could even go to your local library if you don't have telephone, cable or dish - yea, that's why you pay all of those FCC fees on your cable, phone and cellphone bills to pay for the library and school internet services. It also appears that the FCC doesn't read any of our comments filed (or they do read them but don't care)- just look at the June 2nd 'free-for-all' ownership rules change, +IBOC/HD, and now BPL. Simply amazing. Said to the tune of Karl Malden in the old American Express commercials: What can we do, what CAN we do? Rant Mode OFF. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jul 09 13:59:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44486 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 20:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 20:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 20:59:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2003 20:59:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 20:59:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TM 152 and others Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 739 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > It would be interesting to compare an early production model with > > a late production model TM-152 to see what changes RS made to > > improve the bass and treble response? > > Since I still have both, I'll see if I can't get an MP3 put > together. I just have to find the time. It seems like I haven't had > *any* free time lately! I wasn't referring to an audio comparison, but rather a comparison of the circuits, to see what components RS changed to effect the improvements in the bass and treble reproduction, or if they eliminated the high pass filter entirely. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jul 09 14:02:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16293 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 21:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 21:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 21:02:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2003 21:02:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 21:02:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: FCC needs engineers, not lawyers (caution: rant mode) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030709192130.53312.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 463 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: Rant Mode ON: I have news for you, it isn't the lawyers that are inventing all this new technology, it's those damn engineers that are getting their jollies inventing IBOC/HD, BPL, and many other things further up the pipeline that will make IBOC/HD, and BPL look like a Sunday school picnic. The lawyers are necessary to keep the engineers under control. Rant Mode OFF. John From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Wed Jul 09 14:12:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70487 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 21:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 21:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.210) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 21:12:45 -0000 Received: from user-4018.wfd17.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.79.178] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aMF2-0002oY-Bj for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 22:12:44 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:11:39 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OK guys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man I am having a total re-design of my site and have decided to devote a page to AM Stereo products for both transmission and reception. I have been reliably informed by a Japanese correspondent that there are currently just two Sony AMS compatible receivers available there. I'm looking for either a Japanese dealer, wholesaler that speaks English or at least has an English translated website. Any help in this area most appreciated. I should like to have input from you all to help me compile a list of everything currently available - anywhere. I do not mind importing if it will help further the cause. Can someone please confirm that the only currently produced AMS matrix processors are those from Orban (9100B) and I believe at least one, if not all three from CRL? Many thanks. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed Jul 09 14:43:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7406 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 21:43:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 21:43:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 21:43:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2003 21:43:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 21:43:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 466 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > wrote: > > =snip= > > > BTW, let's get a letter writing campaign going to try to convert > > Radio Disney to analog stereo. Any takers?! > > Many, if not most, of Radio Disney's AM outlets ARE AM stereo. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Except for 1590 KMIC in Houston, They are in MONO and crummy sounding at that. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 09 15:56:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99419 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 22:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 22:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 22:56:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2003 22:56:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 22:56:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Becker AM Stereo car radio review Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3911 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Thanks to eBay, I know have a Becker 754 car radio in my hands, and it is a fine piece of equipment! It was factory-installed in Mercedes-Benz cars around 1986-1987, and in addition to hi-fi AM Stereo, it provides many features not found on other car radios. Unfortunately, it doesn't tune the full Expanded Band, but on AM it does tune from 510 (yes, 510!) to 1620 kHz in 1 kHz steps in manual tuning mode. It is truly a world-wide tuner in that the automatic seek tuning (with THREE sensitivity settings -- Local, Medium, and DX) will lock into a station's carrier frequency, no matter what it may be -- so it will automatically adapt to either 9 or 10 kHz channel spacing, or any other unusual frequencies (such as the Carribbean stations that used to be on 5 kHz increments). Its AM audio is somewhat like that of a Sony SRF-42, with a good balance between selectivity and audio fidelity, with good tonal balance (i.e. no wimpy bass or screechy treble) and no annoying carrier whistles (it may simply cut off the response just below 9 kHz in order to effectively reject both 9 and 10 kHz carrier whistles). With the manual antenna trimmer (when's the last time you saw one of those??) properly adjusted, its sensitivity is excellent -- with just a short whip antenna in my basement, I was able to pull in distant daytime signals with ease, such as 600 WICC in full AM Stereo from about 75 miles away and even 580 WHP (mono) from about 125 miles away. It also features direct frequency entry, so if you want to jump right to, say, 1417 kHz or something strange like that, all you have to do is push the "*" button and then type in 1-4-1-7 using the preset buttons. It will lock onto AM Stereo signals over a rather broad range -- tuning in local 1450 WCTC, it popped into AM Stereo mode all the way from 1447 through 1454 kHz! Its FM tuner is also well above average, tuning manually in 25 kHz (0.025 MHz) steps! The display only shows "96.1", "96.2", "96.3", etc., but for every indicated step there are four manual tuning steps to let you lock in a signal for best reception (especially when dealing with strong adjacent-channel signals). Again, the seek tuning will do this fine-tuning automatically, no matter what channel spacing may be used in your area. This model has 2 x 20-watt audio output, with wide-range bass and treble controls to get good sound even from small speakers. It is a standard DIN-size radio, with large, easy-to-read buttons with good nighttime illumination, including a large amber LCD display. I can't comment about its cassette player, since I haven't tried it yet, but it is auto-reverse, with Dolby B NR and a Chrome tape setting. Also, unlike newer Becker radios, this model is not security-coded, so you can just plug it in without fear of paying Becker $30 to look up to code for you if you didn't get it with the radio or forgot it. My total cost for this radio was $24.99 plus $10 shipping! So, if you're looking for a standard DIN-size car radio with AM Stereo, keep your eye out for one of these. All Becker radios with AM Stereo are distinguished by an "AM-FM-STEREO" logo on the cassette door. Various other models exist besides this one, including some which may have Expanded Band tuning, but they all should perform similarly to what I described. The wiring hook-up is easy -- soon on the AM Stereo web site I will have a diagram showing the pin-out of the power connector that is common to all Becker radios. So, you don't have to drive a Mercedes car to have a Mercedes-quality radio with AM Stereo! p.s. Becker is also very good about servicing their older radios (and did I mention these radios were all made in Germany?). If you go to the Becker Board at this web site, they even have Mr. Horst Becker himself providing free technical support! http://members4.boardhost.com/beckerboard/ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Jul 09 16:28:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51048 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 23:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 23:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 23:28:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:28:51 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:28:50 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Radio Disney Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:28:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2003 23:28:51.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[DADFBA90:01C34671] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 It's encouraging to hear that most Radio Disney radio stations are in stereo, so we might well focus on the Radio Disney stations in Florida, where to my knowledge all in are in mono, which is probably adequate for all those one eared mousekateers. The St Petersburg/Tampa (1380am), Orlando-(Home of Disney World) and Miami(both 990am) as well as the 1600 Radio Disney in Riviera Beach(West Palm) are all in mono. donn st petersburg,fl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >BTW, let's get a letter writing >campaign going to try to convert > > Radio Disney to analog stereo. Any takers?! > >Many, if not most, of Radio Disney's AM outlets ARE AM stereo. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~E _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Jul 09 17:10:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97416 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 00:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 00:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf17aec.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 00:10:45 -0000 Received: from juan ([65.80.249.254]) by imf17aec.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030710001045.DJJX17781.imf17aec.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:10:45 -0400 Message-ID: <006a01c34677$b4910000$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Disney Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:10:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Donn, I remember WPOM-1600 AM in West Palm back in the 80's. They used to be Stereo, Phil Beckman and I went to pay a visit and they had recently turned off the Stereo, I think it was a Harris unit. They didn't have the funds, nor inclination to convert it to C-Quam. I was sad to see the AM Stereo equitment in the rack, and it looked like it had been ravaged. At the time, they felt like AM Stereo had let them down....and didn't want to sink more money into conversion. I did hear them in the Harris days, and it sounded good. They had an Urban format at the time. Now they are Disney, and as far as the Stereo equitment....who knows. It would be cool to have all Radio Disney stations in AM Stereo. Juan From: Donn Tillman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: {AMSF} Radio Disney It's encouraging to hear that most Radio Disney radio stations are in stereo, so we might well focus on the Radio Disney stations in Florida, where to my knowledge all in are in mono, which is probably adequate for all those one eared mousekateers. The St Petersburg/Tampa (1380am), Orlando-(Home of Disney World) and Miami(both 990am) as well as the 1600 Radio Disney in Riviera Beach(West Palm) are all in mono. donn st petersburg,fl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >BTW, let's get a letter writing >campaign going to try to convert > > Radio Disney to analog stereo. Any takers?! > >Many, if not most, of Radio Disney's AM outlets ARE AM stereo. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~E [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Jul 09 17:27:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20110 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 00:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 00:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 00:27:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:27:55 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:27:55 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Disney Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:27:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2003 00:27:55.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B64C850:01C3467A] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Juan, of Ft Pierce, Fl wrote: I remember WPOM-1600 AM in West Palm back in the 80's. They used to be Stereo, Phil Beckman and I went to pay a visit and they had recently turned off the Stereo, I think it was a Harris unit. They didn't have the funds, nor inclination to convert it to C-Quam. I was sad to see the AM Stereo equitment in the rack, and it looked like it had been ravaged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ and going even further back, 1600 Riviera Beach was WHEW and had all women announcers! Also, Radio Disney in St Petersburg, while still using the WLCY call letters were stereo sometime in the 1980's, from what I understand, but don't know what system they used. donn, st petersburg,fl _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jul 09 17:47:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46702 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 00:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 00:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 00:47:18 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-86.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.86]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h6A0lCtT014966 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:47:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008201c3467c$fa41a140$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OK guys Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:48:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The 9100 is discontinued, though I believe "card 10" to make one stereo is still available. CRL would be the only full matrix processor (Amigo AM), though many AM processors will do discrete L and R- Omnia, Arianne. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" > > Can someone please confirm that the only currently produced AMS matrix > processors are those from Orban (9100B) and I believe at least one, if > not all three from CRL? From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jul 09 17:53:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72363 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 00:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 00:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beast.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 00:53:40 -0000 Received: from home1 (208-38-85-86.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.85.86]) by beast.sherbtel.net (8.12.8/8.12.2) with SMTP id h6A0rZtT017107 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:53:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008c01c3467d$de7a01e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Disney Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:54:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Most of the ones that are stereo are stations they acquired that already were stereo. I have never heard of them adding it where it wasn't there already. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > > It's encouraging to hear that most Radio Disney radio stations are in > stereo, so we might well focus on the Radio Disney stations in Florida, From bjackson@indyradio.com Wed Jul 09 18:50:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83228 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 01:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 01:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 01:50:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2003 01:50:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:49:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Disney Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006a01c34677$b4910000$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > Now they are Disney, and as far as the Stereo equitment....who knows. > > > It would be cool to have all Radio Disney stations in AM Stereo. I know for sure that Radio Disney outlets on 1640 and 1680 (used to be Jamz 1680 from Grand Rapids) still are C-Quam...And sound damn good! - Brad Jackson From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Jul 09 19:22:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65922 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 02:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 02:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.244.191) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 02:22:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:22:58 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav56.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:22:57 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: wtt: Delco AMS car radio for Alfredo Lite Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:22:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2003 02:22:58.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D902B40:01C3468A] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd can see pic's on AMSF yahoo server. thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis 88.3 FM Stereo 1610 AM Real Community Radio!!! Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis 88.3 FM Stereo 1610 AM Real Community Radio!!! From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jul 09 20:28:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71150 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 03:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 03:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 03:28:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2003 03:28:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 03:28:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: FCC needs engineers, not lawyers (caution: rant mode) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 585 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.165 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Just my half cent's worth here, but the FCC is burdened not so much by lawyers or there being a lack of engineers, but considering the money involved here, it's corporates that have taken over the FCC. Corporates. You know, "Big Business" types. The suits. Having known some lawyers, they're generally less inclined to focus on the pleaszures of corporations than they are about the law. (Yes, there are greedy lawyers, but there are also alot who are concerned for the public interest. In this case, it would be the corporates with a "cookie jar" mentality) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jul 09 20:38:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8503 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 03:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 03:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 03:38:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2003 03:38:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 03:38:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realistic TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 590 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.165 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > > wrote: > > > > =snip= > > > > > BTW, let's get a letter writing campaign going to try to > convert > > > Radio Disney to analog stereo. Any takers?! > > > > Many, if not most, of Radio Disney's AM outlets ARE AM stereo. > > Except for 1590 KMIC in Houston, They are in MONO and crummy > sounding at that. I didn't say ALL now, did I? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jul 09 20:45:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88070 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 03:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 03:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 03:45:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2003 03:45:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 03:45:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Disney Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008c01c3467d$de7a01e0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 310 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.165 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Most of the ones that are stereo are stations they acquired that already > were stereo. I have never heard of them adding it where it wasn't there > already. The switchover between 710 and 1110 in LA comes to mind. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jul 09 21:23:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35654 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 04:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 04:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 04:23:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2003 04:23:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 04:23:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: 200 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 128 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.165 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie We hit 200 subscribers over the weekend, and it had dropped down to 198-199. We are now back to 200 tonight. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner1@mac.com Wed Jul 09 22:03:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13768 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 05:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 05:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 05:03:33 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030710050331.QYPB29962.fed1mtao07.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:03:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:03:34 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Disney Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Both stations were stereo at the switch, as I recall; I think the 1110 transmitter never had stereo removed, just turned off. On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 08:45 PM, amymousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: >> Most of the ones that are stereo are stations they acquired that > already >> were stereo. I have never heard of them adding it where it wasn't > there >> already. > > The switchover between 710 and 1110 in LA comes to mind. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 09 23:09:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48227 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 06:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 06:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 06:09:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2003 06:09:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 06:09:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: 200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 546 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > We hit 200 subscribers over the weekend, and it had dropped down to > 198-199. We are now back to 200 tonight. Note that the number of "members" shown can decrease even if nobody unsubscribes from the group. This happens whenever a group message or Daily Digest gets bounced back from a member's e-mail server with an error, such as when their Inbox gets full. Yahoo Groups marks them off as a "bouncing member" and they get temporarily taken off the total membership count until Yahoo can verify that their e-mail is working again. From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jul 10 06:38:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63136 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 13:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 13:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 13:38:11 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:38:11 -0600 Message-ID: <001001c346e8$81beada0$5401010a@AM> To: References: <008c01c3467d$de7a01e0$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Disney Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:38:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with that Scott. One of the newest Radio Disney outlets is NOT stereo. Here's the story. KALL-910 in Salt Lake City was one of the biggies when it came to AM Stereo. KALL was stereo up until about 1994 or 95 or something like that. At that point KALL was almost all talk but still stereo and still had a music show or two on the weekends. Then they turned it off. A few years down the road ClearChannel acquired it. It remained talk. Just this may ClearChannel sold KALL to ABC/Disney. Meanwhile Citadel's AM 860 KBEE was the disney outlet in Salt Lake City. 860 was stereo back in the late 80s, but as far as I had seen had never been stereo since about 1990 or so. I was excited when I heard about the sale. I figured (HOPED) that since ABC/Disney went through the trouble in Los Angeles when they moved from 710 to 1110 (they also made sure to turn the stereo on at 1110) that maybe since KALL used to be stereo, they'd turn the stereo back on for Disney. Didn't happen. ClearChannel hung on to the KALL calls and moved to 700 (another former SLC stereo yanked by clearchannel) and Disney is now at 910 under the calls KWDZ. I truly would have thought that all of KALL's equipment was still there, but I guess I was wrong. If I know clearchannel, when they bought KALL some time ago, they pulled out the old processing and replaced it with new-fangled handy dandy LOUD processing. You know ClearChannel. WE ARE LOUD! WE MUST BE LOUD! LOUDER THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THE DIAL! FYI: 860 had to drop the Disney and is now running the same Jones Radio Classic Country network that I'm running here on KEVA in Evanston. They're mono of course. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 6:54 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Disney Most of the ones that are stereo are stations they acquired that already were stereo. I have never heard of them adding it where it wasn't there already. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 08:01:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21485 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 15:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 15:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 15:00:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2003 14:59:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:59:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: early multi-channel audio Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 687 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics We've talked about early Stereo recordings, but here's an example of early multi-channel recording: http://www.tinfoil.com/b06b.jpg Look closely and you'll see a third horn in the middle... so this is case of unintentional three-channel audio. With the cylinders, there was no good method for mass-production, so they were recorded simultaneously on a lot of machines and then a lot of takes being done. This makes it interesting in that you can get several cylinders with slightly different performances on them. This can make it hard to find a pair for stereo, but it also means that some cylinders are more valuable than others even of the same song and performer. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 09:50:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7443 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 16:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 16:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 16:50:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2003 16:50:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:50:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: early multi-channel audio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1492 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.211 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > We've talked about early Stereo recordings, but here's an example of > early multi-channel recording: > > > http://www.tinfoil.com/b06b.jpg > > > Look closely and you'll see a third horn in the middle... so this is > case of unintentional three-channel audio. With the cylinders, there > was no good method for mass-production, so they were recorded > simultaneously on a lot of machines and then a lot of takes being > done. This makes it interesting in that you can get several cylinders > with slightly different performances on them. This can make it hard > to find a pair for stereo, but it also means that some cylinders are > more valuable than others even of the same song and performer. Edison was the only cylinder recording company that used the multiple horn, multiple session method of mass production. All other cylinder record makers usede molding. Edison himself was also the first, as far as I know, to intentionally make stereo recordings-- He devised a twin-horn & groove recorder in the mid 1910s, but found that the technique was uneven, and would have required a much longer cylkinder than desirable. I saw3 it on TV once, many years ago. I think the Edison National Historic Site (http://www.nps.gov/edis/) has it, and what few experimental stereo recordings were made. (At the time, he was concentrating on his movies with sound- "soundies".) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mwradio@gmx.net Thu Jul 10 13:48:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17975 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 20:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 20:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1.ispmail.dnbsi.com) (198.136.194.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 20:48:32 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool197-70.nas11.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.197.70]) by m1.ispmail.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C7A9490193 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <030a01c34724$770029c0$06630780@espositojm2> To: Subject: FS: Alfredo Lite + SRF-42 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:47:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am selling one of Chris Cuff's Alfredo Lites and a "AS New" SRF-42. I believe the SRF-42 is new except for me opening it up and testing it once. The Alfredo Lite broadcasts at 1550 kHZ. I will also include the 6 NiMH batteries that I bought for the unit. I didn't use the "Lite" very much. I bought it to demonstrate to a local radio station owned by a High School. I am asking $120 Shipped for both the Alfredo Lite and the SRF-42. E-mail if interested. Thanks, Joe Esposito York, PA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Jul 10 14:50:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14664 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 21:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 21:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 21:50:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2003 21:50:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:50:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Mouse Radio Idea, NOT Radio Disney! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3002 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.125 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Amy, the group mouse, has on more than one occasion expressed a fondness for the RCA AM stereo system, and has talked of building such a device. While cleaning out some stuff in the basement last weekend I found the perfect basis for building an AM stereo radio along the lines of the RCA prototype. The subject radio is the 1962 Motorola B100 AM/FM Stereo radio. This is a tabletop radio with detachable stereo speakers. The speakers tend to become separated from the radio, and the first one I found was without speakers, so I ended up buying two more B100s to get enough speakers for a complete radio with two original speakers. One of these radios would make a nearly perfect foundation for conversion to an RCA style AM Stereo radio. Since it is an AM/FM radio, the necessary limiter tube already exists for the FM function, so all that needs to be added is the 455 kHz discriminator transformer and support circuitry. There is no extra space on the chassis where you like it near the limiter, to add the 455 kHz discriminator, so it looks like the best idea would be to remove the FM stereo multiplex circuits, and making it an AM Stereo/FM radio. Removing the multiplex circuitry opens up the needed real-estate on the chassis for adding the AM stereo circuits. The 455 kHz discriminator transformer can then be installed in the ideal position adjacent to the 10.7 MHz ratio detector transformer, for easy connection to the limiter. The transistor for the tracking circuit can be installed under the chassis, and the socket for the 12AX7 tube that was used in the FM multiplex circuit can be used to hold a 6BJ7 triple diode. This leaves us one diode short of the four provided by the two 6AL5s in the RCA circuit, so a compromise must be made, and a semiconductor diode used for either the AGC, or the AM envelope detector. The B100 already uses a semiconductor diode for the AM detector, so this existing diode can be used for the AGC circuit. An optional scheme would be to eliminate the floating AM envelope detector of the RCA circuit, and use a 6T8 or similar triple diode - triode tube for the 455 kHz discriminator, and combined AM envelope detector/AGC rectifier, using the triode section to provide the phase inversion necessary for de-matrixing the audio. This would move the phase inversion from the "L+R" channel as it is in the RCA circuit, to the "L-R" channel where it should be, eliminating a phasing problem in the FM mode. I wonder if there are any other old tabletop tube stereo radios out there that would also make a good basis for conversion to the RCA AM Stereo circuit? The only somewhat odd component is the 455 kHz discriminator transformer, but these were a stock item, and can be found in old equipment, or perhaps as NOS from manufacturers such as J.W. Miller. Fortunately I already have one in hand. So a receiver for the RCA AM stereo system is easy, now how to build an RCA style transmitter? John From dougharding@mindspring.com Thu Jul 10 14:53:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21777 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 21:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2003 21:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 21:53:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2003 21:53:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:53:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OK guys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 572 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: ther the cause. > > Can someone please confirm that the only currently produced AMS matrix > processors are those from Orban (9100B) and I believe at least one, if > not all three from CRL? > > Many thanks. > -- > Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW > Transmitters 'R' Us > http://www.transmittersrus.com I just purchased a CRL Systems Amigo AM from Broadcast Supply Worldwide so I know that they are still available. It is considered the best AMS matrix c-quam AM stereo processor out there. From rjskadl@yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 17:52:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45541 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 00:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 00:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 00:52:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2003 00:51:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:51:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disney NYC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c346e8$81beada0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1347 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "RJSKADL" X-Originating-IP: 24.187.99.188 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Sorry to burst your bubbles about Radio Disney and AM Stereo, But when Radio Disney came to Long Island's AM Stereo 740, they dropped the C-Quam Stereo. Radio disney has since left WGSM 740, but the Mono Remains. WGSM went on to simulcast another Mono Standards station hre on the Island, before it was sold off to Korean broadcasters. It had been hoped that the Koreans would have turned the stereo back on, because the other stastion to the west side of the city in north Jersey was operating in stereo. That was about 2 and a half years ago and WGSM is still Mono, and still Korean. And still relaying 1430. The Reason Disney Left our 740 WGSM was because they movet to the great big AM Stere0 1560 WQEW New York City. WQEW was absolutely THE BEST sounding AM Stereo Station I ever Heard, playing the best in Pop Standards fot the NYC Tri-State Area. As soon as Disney went on the air, that was it for the C-Quam. I have spoken directly to the engineers from New York Times and WQXR, and they would prefer it to be stereo, bu the guys from Disney said, "Kids don't care about stereo." And so the Equipment sits there useless. And WQEW AM 1560 continues to Broadcast Radio Disney to Americas Number One Radio Market in MONO. So that is two cases here in New York where Radio Disney Killed the C- Quam AM Stereo. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Jul 10 19:36:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90106 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 02:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 02:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 02:35:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2003 02:35:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:35:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disney NYC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1679 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq This is true. And this is the story from the WQEW engineers. I e- mailed Radio Disney myself and got no response. Maybe they need to be prodded some more but most likely they don't care?? Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: > Sorry to burst your bubbles about Radio Disney and AM Stereo, But > when Radio Disney came to Long Island's AM Stereo 740, they dropped > the C-Quam Stereo. Radio disney has since left WGSM 740, but the > Mono Remains. > > WGSM went on to simulcast another Mono Standards station hre on the > Island, before it was sold off to Korean broadcasters. It had been > hoped that the Koreans would have turned the stereo back on, because > the other stastion to the west side of the city in north Jersey was > operating in stereo. That was about 2 and a half years ago and WGSM > is still Mono, and still Korean. And still relaying 1430. > > The Reason Disney Left our 740 WGSM was because they movet to the > great big AM Stere0 1560 WQEW New York City. WQEW was absolutely THE > BEST sounding AM Stereo Station I ever Heard, playing the best in Pop > Standards fot the NYC Tri-State Area. As soon as Disney went on the > air, that was it for the C-Quam. I have spoken directly to the > engineers from New York Times and WQXR, and they would prefer it to > be stereo, bu the guys from Disney said, "Kids don't care about > stereo." And so the Equipment sits there useless. And WQEW AM 1560 > continues to Broadcast Radio Disney to Americas Number One Radio > Market in MONO. > > So that is two cases here in New York where Radio Disney Killed the C- > Quam AM Stereo. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 05:46:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41201 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 12:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 12:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 12:46:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20030711124659.69589.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:46:59 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: To my friends in Oz To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From RadioWorld: "Looking at Digital Radio 'Down Under' Australia is looking at digital radio. The federal government has formed a study group to assess the suitability of several digital radio platforms, according to the World DAB Forum. The group will look at Eureka-147, IBOC and Digital Radio Mondiale. It is expected to make its report by late November. The country has 19.7 million people." You guys down under - time to add your 2 cents (or 2 shillings, whatever) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Fri Jul 11 06:38:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83161 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 13:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 13:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.211) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 13:38:57 -0000 Received: from user-1297.bbd02tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.77.17] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ay6y-0004MU-Jf for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:38:56 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:37:52 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Matrix Processors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Douglas said: I just purchased a CRL Systems Amigo AM from Broadcast Supply Worldwide so I know that they are still available. It is considered the best AMS matrix c-quam AM stereo processor out there. Thanks for the feedback, no pun intended. Another engineer recently told me that as far as Matrix processors were concerned that the 9100 had the edge. However as has been stated it seems this model is no longer in production. Let us know what it sounds like when you have it set up. May I ask did you manage to negotiate a good price? -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 08:33:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45584 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 15:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 15:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 15:33:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2003 15:32:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:32:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another Motorola B-100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 941 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > The subject radio is the 1962 Motorola B100 AM/FM Stereo radio. This > is a tabletop radio with detachable stereo speakers. The speakers > tend to become separated from the radio, and the first one I found > was without speakers, so I ended up buying two more B100s to get > enough speakers for a complete radio with two original speakers. Hmm, John's description sounded like the Motorola I have, so I moved the clock and teddy bears off the top and INDEED it's a B100 of course minus the original speakers. This one is not very well, as the audio level varies up and down for at least an hour. Years ago I replaced the 2 6BM8's as they had black marks on the side, and the new tubes did this fairly quick. It's surplus to me! But it needs lots of work. The FM dial is not remotely close, and I have no schematic. And the AM is very wide. Powell From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri Jul 11 10:06:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34094 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 17:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 17:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 17:06:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2003 17:06:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:06:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Matrix Processors Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1583 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.192.169 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Douglas said: > > I just purchased a CRL Systems Amigo AM from Broadcast Supply Worldwide > so I know that they are still available. It is considered the best AMS > matrix c-quam AM stereo processor out there. > > > Thanks for the feedback, no pun intended. > > Another engineer recently told me that as far as Matrix processors were > concerned that the 9100 had the edge. However as has been stated it > seems this model is no longer in production. > > Let us know what it sounds like when you have it set up. > > May I ask did you manage to negotiate a good price? > -- > Philip de Cadenet > Transmitters 'R' Us > http://www.transmittersrus.com BSW gave me a little discount. I paid $2516.00. It was a brand new unit shipped directly to me from CRL. I will be hooking it up to my alfredo lite this week. I use it to broadcast at 1110khz the music on my computer to all the am stereo radios around my place. I bought it now because the way AM stereo is going it may not be available much longer. I also recently bought a used but in mint condition Motorola 1400 C-quam AM Stereo exciter and a matching used but mint Motorola 1410 AM stereo modulation monitor from Northland Radio in Canada. I am no longer in commercial radio but I guess this little broadcast setup satisfies the broadcaster in my blood. It is fun to walk around the place listening to my station and seeing the AM Stereo light shinning brite on all my stereos. At least here in Miami in my building AM Stereo lives! From jim@burgan.net Fri Jul 11 11:28:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44737 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 18:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 18:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.asp.att.net) (63.240.76.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 18:28:23 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-233-146.client.insightbb.com[12.221.233.146]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030711173617im200t96ure>; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:36:17 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01c347d2$efbcd4e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Matrix Processors Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:36:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >BSW gave me a little discount. I paid $2516.00. It was a brand new >unit shipped directly to me from CRL. I will be hooking it up to my >alfredo lite this week. I use it to broadcast at 1110khz the music on >my computer to all the am stereo radios around my place. I bought it The best thing about buying from BSW is getting those little candy bars with your order. If you tell the CSR how much you like them, they usually throw in a bag full of them (last time I got 6). Notwithstanding the candy, BSW is a great place to do business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri Jul 11 12:02:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1912 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 19:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 19:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 19:02:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2003 19:02:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:02:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Matrix Processors Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003a01c347d2$efbcd4e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1097 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.192.169 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > >BSW gave me a little discount. I paid $2516.00. It was a brand new > >unit shipped directly to me from CRL. I will be hooking it up to my > >alfredo lite this week. I use it to broadcast at 1110khz the music on > >my computer to all the am stereo radios around my place. I bought it > > The best thing about buying from BSW is getting those little candy bars with your order. > If you tell the CSR how much you like them, they usually throw in a bag full of them (last time I got 6). > Notwithstanding the candy, BSW is a great place to do business. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I agree they are a great place to do business. I however have never received any candy bars from them. I guess the problem is every time I buy something from them it is shipped directly from the manufacturer. The last item I purchased and just received today was a ATI matchmaker so I can hook up the Amigo AM to my unbalanced computer. It was also shipped directly from ATI. I guess this is cheaper for them. From alfredot@inetarena.com Fri Jul 11 13:30:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38803 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 20:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 20:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 20:30:11 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust155.tnt17.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [65.227.179.155]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6BKOt3w004181 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:28:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disney NYC In-Reply-To: <1057911057.1483.98751.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > air, that was it for the C-Quam. I have spoken directly to the > engineers from New York Times and WQXR, and they would prefer it to > be stereo, bu the guys from Disney said, "Kids don't care about > stereo." And so the Equipment sits there useless. Then, why is the Radio Disney satellite feed in stereo?!!???? These guys are just plain Goofy. Alfredo From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Jul 11 14:12:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46868 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 21:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 21:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 21:12:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2003 21:12:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:12:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CRL Matrix Processor on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 176 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.124 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g I'm not sure if this is anything like the "matrix processor" everyone is looking for, but has anyone noticed that there is a CRL "AM Stereo Matrix Processor" on eBay? John From bjackson@indyradio.com Fri Jul 11 14:26:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31375 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 21:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 21:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 21:26:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2003 21:26:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:26:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disney NYC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 531 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.218.40.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alfredo E. Torrejon" wrote: > Then, why is the Radio Disney satellite feed in > stereo?!!???? These guys are just plain Goofy. > > Alfredo Well, you'll love this. As of July 1st, we got an FM Radio Disney station here in Indianapolis...98.3 WXIR. They're guilty of having the light on, but no one home. So far, absolutely no stereo seperation at all. So if I want stereo, I *have to listen to the AM Disney outlets!!!* - Bradley Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jul 11 14:58:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42383 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 21:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 21:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 21:58:33 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.83]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:58:33 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} CRL Matrix Processor on eBay Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:57:53 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got one just like it in our processing chain. The output of this unit goes into the motorola exciter. Its companion is the SPP...."stereo preparation processor". Got one of those too. That's our processing chain. Audio from the board into the SPP, then into the AM SMP (stereo matrix processor), then into the Motorola 1400 exciter. This was an original setup done by Motorola at KRPX in Price, UT in 1982. So apparantly on the stations that Motorola set up for stereo themselves, they equipped the stations with these two CRL processors. My processors are great. I can't say they're aggresively LOUD and squashy like much of the processing that's around today. I CAN, however, say that they are very very CLEAN. Well, mine aren't very clean right now. They're 20 years old, so it's time to go through and replace all the electrolytics in them both. Getting quite a hum in the left channel right now. I have a feeling it's in the stereo preparation processor that it's coming from because the AM Stereo Matrix processor is "processing" the hum and it's really cutting down on my left channel in the air chain. The louder I turn up the left, the louder the hum gets over the air. I have all manuals so it's just a matter of ordering and desoldering! I have a feeling this will clean up all the humming, as well as probably a lot of the hiss and airyness that I've always had in my audio chain. I will record and post some airchecks once I get the capacitor replacement done on both processors. Should be pretty sweet-sounding audio! In the early 90s, the AM Stereo Matrix processor was sent to CRL for the NRSC modifications and now contains a switch on the back of it for 9khz/11khz filtering. Ours is set to 11khz right now I believe. On the inside of it, you can see the add-on board that CRL mounted in there when they did the modifications. It's really a nice setup and the processors do a good enough job. Just need to clean up the audio. This one on EBay is pretty cheap right now. I'm half-tempted to buy it to use here at my shop with my Alfredo Lite transmitter :) Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: bta_50g [mailto:jbyrns@rcn.com] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 3:13 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} CRL Matrix Processor on eBay I'm not sure if this is anything like the "matrix processor" everyone is looking for, but has anyone noticed that there is a CRL "AM Stereo Matrix Processor" on eBay? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jul 11 15:18:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8715 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 22:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 22:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 22:18:17 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.173]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:16:28 -0400 Message-ID: <001701c347fa$59bf2100$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another Motorola B-100 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:18:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Now, I have too much crap piled up in front of it, but I think I have one too.... Mine I know is HEAVY- it has speakers that close up on an angle, and makes it look like a wooden treasure chest when closed. It has a transformer chassis, and a neon stereo lamp- Matter of fact, it is the same chassis used in their consoles of that year. I remember it sounds incredible- on both am and fm. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: {AMSF} Another Motorola B-100 From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Jul 11 15:25:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74071 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 22:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 22:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 22:25:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2003 22:25:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:25:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disney NYC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 119 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >bu the guys from Disney said, "Kids don't care about stereo." If so, then why is it on the satellite in stereo? From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jul 11 15:33:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18629 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 22:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 22:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 22:33:01 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.173]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:31:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c347fc$68d499c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: Kloss Tivoli Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:33:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Finally got around to getting one of the Tivoli/Kloss PAL radios. This is the battery powered one, offered in 7 colors I think and it has FM stereo. (in the headphones only) As for the AM side, it is the best of his efforts yet- The model 1 was a joke- the AM loop )open loop) was placed so it was around the speaker magnet.... The model 88 was a horror as well- not only awful AM reception, but it was designed to automatically put the amp in mono, making conversion difficult. (and not worth it anyway) The Pal, OTOH, is a dandy radio. The chipset is an old-school 1992 Philips set, well proven. It has 2 AM IF stages, a completely shieled front end- tuner, coils, etc. Remarkably quiet-almost eerie. Now, it is not perfect- the ferrite rod is thick, but short, and in his infinite hatred of AM, he cleverly mounted it parallel to the metal tuner shield. Re-mounting it up an inch made a big difference. The added in AM Stereo decoder works flawlessly, with no interface problems. Matter of fact, it tunes so stable, you could even use a MC13020... not that I would. The single LED, which "was" just a battery/power ibndicator, now is a stereo indicator for all 3- FM stereo, AM stereo, And power. The FM side is simply grand. Quiet, smooth, and sensitive. I can recommend this radio highly. Chris From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Jul 11 15:45:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52136 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 22:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 22:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 22:45:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2003 22:45:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:45:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kloss Tivoli Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c347fc$68d499c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 440 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >The Pal, OTOH, is a dandy radio. The chipset is an old-school 1992 >Philips set, well proven. It has 2 AM IF stages, a completely >shieled front end- >tuner, coils, etc. Remarkably quiet-almost eerie. What chip set is used, please? >Now, it is not perfect- the ferrite rod is thick, but short, and in >his infinite hatred of AM, he cleverly mounted it parallel to the >metal tuner shield. Why does good 'ole Hank Kloss hate MW? From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Jul 11 15:47:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33223 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 22:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 22:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 22:47:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2003 22:47:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:47:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kloss Tivoli Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c347fc$68d499c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 33 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules Please post pictures! - Mario From rwagoner1@mac.com Fri Jul 11 16:01:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8957 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 23:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 23:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 23:01:34 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030711230135.TNUQ14830.fed1mtao03.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:01:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:01:34 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Disney NYC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9E237B8E-B3F3-11D7-A4D8-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner They don't care about stereo radio, but they really like stereo satellite feeds.. On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 03:25 PM, amstereorules wrote: >> bu the guys from Disney said, "Kids don't care about stereo." > If so, then why is it on the satellite in stereo? > From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Jul 11 16:28:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51258 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 23:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 23:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 23:28:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2003 23:28:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:28:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another Motorola B-100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c347fa$59bf2100$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2137 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Now, I have too much crap piled up in front of it, but I think I > have one too.... There are a couple of things in your description that don't quite fit the B100, I wonder if yours might be the next year's model? > Mine I know is HEAVY- Yes, it is heavy. > it has speakers that close up on an angle, Depends on what "close up on an angle" means? The B100 has a combination carrying handle and speaker support bracket on each side. The speakers, which are shaped like trapazoids when viewed from the top, don't "close up". When on the radio the speakers just hang on the handles/brackets. This is one of the irritating features of the radio, if the speakers are attached, you can't pick it up, because the handles are covered by the speakers, and if you try to pick it up by the speakers they will just detach, or worse with enough pressure the radio will lift up with the speakers long enough to get it to some height, then everything will fly apart and fall with a crash. > and makes it look like a wooden treasure chest when closed. Sort of. > It has a transformer chassis, and a neon stereo lamp- Yes, and yes. > Matter of fact, it is the same chassis used in their consoles of > that year. This couldn't be the case, Motorola used many different chassis in their consoles, but the B100 couldn't be one of them because console chassis must have provisions for the connection of a record changer, and the B100 doesn't have a phono input. If yours has a phono input then it isn't a B100. They might have made a similar chassis with connections for a changer, but Motorola used amplifiers with a center channel bass speaker output in almost all of their consoles, and many portable phonos too. I looked through a few Motorola service manuals from the same year as the B100, and the console chassis that I found all use a separate external FM stereo multiplex decoder chassis, not the built-in FM multiplex decoder the B100 has on the main chassis. > I remember it sounds incredible- on both am and fm. Sounds good. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 16:33:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20145 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 23:33:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 23:33:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 23:33:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2003 23:33:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:33:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disney NYC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1706 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics >> but the guys from Disney said, "Kids don't care about stereo." > If so, then why is it on the satellite in stereo? That's for the cases where the station's engineer DOES care about Stereo. And it makes sense, too, because some of the most popular "soccer mom" vehicles are also the most likely to be equipped with AM Stereo-capable radios: Dodge Caravan, Ford Explorer, Jeep Grand Cherokee, etc.... Plenty of *kids* care about Stereo, too, or at least know what it means. I first discovered Stereo myself as a mere toddler by listning to a Muppets record. We had a stereo system set up with the two speakers at extreme opposite ends of the room, so it was quite interesting to hear Kermit's voice from one side of the room, and Miss Piggy's voice from the opposite side, thanks to the "extreme Stereo" back-and-forth dialog that's on that LP. In fact, the whole record's filled with great Stereo effects. It's "The Muppet Show Album" from 1977, which has never been released on CD! I know for a fact that Radio Disney plays the Muppets song called "Mahna Mahna", which has some excellent Stereo effects. Here's how it sounds on that original 1977 Stereo LP: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/mahna.mp3 Hearing "Mahna Mahna" in mono on 1560 WQEW just destroys the whole listening experience of the song. However, this song is particularly intolerant to any kind of compression/audio processing as well, because that harmfully exaggerates the "ambience" effect of how the lead "singer" (the late great Jim Henson) appears to be "walking around" in a large room. It's not a Surround Sound or even Binaural recording, but it still has a great sense of "depth" and "presence" to it. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 16:49:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21105 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 23:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 23:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 23:49:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2003 23:49:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:49:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disney NYC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9E237B8E-B3F3-11D7-A4D8-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 979 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > They don't care about stereo radio, but they really like stereo > satellite feeds.. And you'd figure it would be something they could brag about to potential advertisers... as in, "yes, Radio Disney stations are primarily on AM, but we broadcast in AM STEREO in Los Angeles, Chicago, Denver, Dallas, Milwaukee, Portland, Grand Rapids, and Fresno." Now... why can't the #1 market, New York City, be added to that list? The equipment is all there, and even has been known to work (as 1560 WQEW was once "caught" broadcasting Disney in full Stereo during an overnight "test") -- so why not simply flip a switch and put it to good use? BTW, the former WJNZ "Stereo 1680 Jamz" in the Grand Rapids, MI area is now Radio Disney affiliate WDSS, still in Stereo... but now the WJNZ call letters have moved down to 1440 WJNZ, a 5000-watt daytimer calling itself "1440 Jamz". Does anybody know if this "new" WJNZ on 1440 is in AM Stereo, just like the "old" one on 1680 was? From ian_davidson@hotmail.com Fri Jul 11 21:33:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian_davidson@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50930 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 04:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2003 04:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.123) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 04:33:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:33:52 -0700 Received: from 138.194.4.9 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 04:33:52 GMT X-Originating-Email: [ian_davidson@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: {AMSF} To my friends in Oz Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:33:52 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2003 04:33:52.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBFF0850:01C3482E] From: "Ian Davidson" X-Originating-IP: [138.194.4.9] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83045090 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Johnny Electron said >From RadioWorld: > >The federal government has formed a study group to assess the suitability >of several digital radio platforms, according to the World DAB Forum. The >group will look at Eureka-147, IBOC and Digital Radio Mondiale. It is >expected tomake its report by late November. > >You guys down under - time to add your 2 cents (or 2 shillings, whatever) How about one and six? That's now 15 cents. You're a good guy Johnny E - but I am depressed. AM stereo in Oz has stalled. Something may have to happen soon or it will die on the vine. As I see it there are two scenarios where AMS may prosper here. 1. If there is a resurgence in America. 2. If we could buy AM stereo receivers (from ordinary suppliers). We are all radio lovers here (even IBOC John). I don't care what system is used for me to hear my daily fill of AM stereo music. I have been lucky. I've listened to it now almost daily for 18 years. And I'm totally happy with C-quam. If it was on FM, DAB, DRM, or even IBOC (if it worked) I'd be happy if it sounded as good as it does on AMS. If I had to I'd buy three more radios tomorrow to hear another system - to add to the almost two in every room - I would. Oz is being super careful. Digital radio (DAB) is being tested in Sydney - not enthusiastically. It's already had three holdups. Our CRA (NAB) semingly couldn't care less - as most radio stations are in profit mode. IBOC has just muddied the waters - and probably set things back about another five years. The sooner it is proclaimed a failure the better we all will be. (Unless, of course, somebody gets it to work.) Most contributors to aus.radio.broadcast couldn't care less either. It seems it's pretty much all down to programming. It's amazing in these days of home theater systems that the average listener can't hear the difference that stereo makes. Yet they buy them anyway. My big hope is that some Motorola Symphony system AMS radios may soon be available in Oz. But I don't like my chances. And part of the reason is that people on this list just sit on their hands waiting for something to happen. They gripe and they grizzle. And they talk about chips. Deep down - what do they do to advance the cause of AM stereo? Ian Melbourne _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 22:24:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23482 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 05:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2003 05:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 05:24:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2003 05:24:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 05:24:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: To my friends in Oz Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3256 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" wrote: =snip= > AM stereo in Oz has stalled. Something may have to happen soon or it will > die on the vine. > > As I see it there are two scenarios where AMS may prosper here. > > 1. If there is a resurgence in America. We're currently holding steadily between 300 and 310 AMS stations. There IS continued interest, and certainly a stable enough AMS radio listenership, since all three US carmakers still install AMS radios, and I think one Japanese maker, too, but I'm not sure. 85% of all AMS radios still in operation are car radios. Most other countries with AMS have been either stable or growing, except Canada (because of the AM-to-FM migration) and, as you have noted, Australia. If you really want to maintain pressure on manufacturers, look to Japan, not the US. Japan's share of receivers is going down, but still, at least, on the shelves there. That's better than here. What would bring any resurgence here would be a resurgence of MUSIC. > 2. If we could buy AM stereo receivers (from ordinary suppliers). Other than online retailers that specialize in Japanese products, at this time, I would say you're out of luck. > Most contributors to aus.radio.broadcast couldn't care less either. It > seems it's pretty much all down to programming. That IS what drives a station and its listeners- Programming. And it's programming that prevents any further growth in AM stereo on American radio. > It's amazing in these days of home theater systems that the average listener > can't hear the difference that stereo makes. Yet they buy them anyway. They're told they need it for their movies, but they really don't think much about it. Ironicly, even with DVDs, most are still watching them on monaural TV sets with monaural sound setups, just as with VCRs and, yes, broadcast TV. Most take their binaural ears for granted, and really don't give a damn about stereo. But some do. And some of THEM like AM stereo. Like us. > My big hope is that some Motorola Symphony system AMS radios may soon be > available in Oz. But I don't like my chances. And part of the reason is > that people on this list just sit on their hands waiting for something to > happen. They gripe and they grizzle. And they talk about chips. I won't hold my breath about Symphony, and I, for one, am one who doesn't want to be reliant on chips for AMS. (Or, if there was a cheap way to custom order & design some AMS ICs, I'd go for it!) > Deep down - what do they do to advance the cause of AM stereo? Ian, you know me- You know I've done much for AM stereo. I'm trying to keep the technology out there so it doesn't disappear. The patents have mostly expired, so now it's up to us tro make sure the patents aren't just a bunchg of numbers no-one would know existed. I want people to experiment in AMS, both in broadcast and reception. I want to see radiomakers interested in making AMS receivers, even if the chips are gone. I want the pilot light kept on as beacons in the dark. AM stereo works. IBOC doesn't. There are a number here who are dedicated to AMS. Marv, for one. :) I am. Are you? Long live AM stereo! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Jul 11 22:58:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94539 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 05:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2003 05:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 05:58:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2003 05:58:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 05:58:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disney NYC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 487 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >(as 1560 WQEW was once "caught" broadcasting Disney in full >Stereo during an overnight "test") -- so why not simply flip a > switch and put it to good use? Radio Disney leases time on WQEW, and me thinks that Disney ain't paying for stereo in their station lease. >Does anybody know if this "new" WJNZ on 1440 is in AM Stereo, just >like the "old" one on 1680 was? No, it isn't. And I thought that station had five years to become silent. - Mario Remember, AMStereoRules From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 23:27:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8583 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 06:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2003 06:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 06:27:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20030712062746.7052.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.86] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:27:46 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: To my friends in Oz To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Let alone NZ we have no AM Stereo (On our radio list they think AM is inferior) as long as its FM and loud sounding and compressed to maximise the advertisers and the workplace. Michael --- amymousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" > > wrote: > > =snip= > > > AM stereo in Oz has stalled. Something may have > to happen soon or > it will > > die on the vine. > > > > As I see it there are two scenarios where AMS may > prosper here. > > > > 1. If there is a resurgence in America. > > We're currently holding steadily between 300 and 310 > AMS stations. > There IS continued interest, and certainly a stable > enough AMS radio > listenership, since all three US carmakers still > install AMS radios, > and I think one Japanese maker, too, but I'm not > sure. 85% of all AMS > radios still in operation are car radios. > > Most other countries with AMS have been either > stable or growing, > except Canada (because of the AM-to-FM migration) > and, as you have > noted, Australia. > > If you really want to maintain pressure on > manufacturers, look to > Japan, not the US. Japan's share of receivers is > going down, but > still, at least, on the shelves there. That's better > than here. > > What would bring any resurgence here would be a > resurgence of MUSIC. > > > 2. If we could buy AM stereo receivers (from > ordinary suppliers). > > Other than online retailers that specialize in > Japanese products, at > this time, I would say you're out of luck. > > > Most contributors to aus.radio.broadcast couldn't > care less > either. It > > seems it's pretty much all down to programming. > > That IS what drives a station and its listeners- > Programming. And > it's programming that prevents any further growth in > AM stereo on > American radio. > > > It's amazing in these days of home theater systems > that the average > listener > > can't hear the difference that stereo makes. Yet > they buy them > anyway. > > They're told they need it for their movies, but they > really don't > think much about it. Ironicly, even with DVDs, most > are still > watching them on monaural TV sets with monaural > sound setups, just as > with VCRs and, yes, broadcast TV. Most take their > binaural ears for > granted, and really don't give a damn about stereo. > > But some do. > > And some of THEM like AM stereo. > > Like us. > > > My big hope is that some Motorola Symphony system > AMS radios may > soon be > > available in Oz. But I don't like my chances. > And part of the > reason is > > that people on this list just sit on their hands > waiting for > something to > > happen. They gripe and they grizzle. And they > talk about chips. > > I won't hold my breath about Symphony, and I, for > one, am one who > doesn't want to be reliant on chips for AMS. (Or, if > there was a > cheap way to custom order & design some AMS ICs, I'd > go for it!) > > > Deep down - what do they do to advance the cause > of AM stereo? > > Ian, you know me- You know I've done much for AM > stereo. I'm trying > to keep the technology out there so it doesn't > disappear. The patents > have mostly expired, so now it's up to us tro make > sure the patents > aren't just a bunchg of numbers no-one would know > existed. > > I want people to experiment in AMS, both in > broadcast and reception. > I want to see radiomakers interested in making AMS > receivers, even if > the chips are gone. > I want the pilot light kept on as beacons in the > dark. > > AM stereo works. > IBOC doesn't. > > There are a number here who are dedicated to AMS. > Marv, for one. :) > > I am. > Are you? > > Long live AM stereo! > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 12 01:02:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61300 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 08:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2003 08:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 08:02:35 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.186]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 04:00:47 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c3484b$f9869640$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another Motorola B-100 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 04:02:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I gotta dig it out- The set does have jacks for a record changer, and tape in/tape out. Mine, with the speakers "unfolded" is about 3 feet long. Closed up, the handles are on each side, recessed in the wood (real wood, btw) it would remind you of a steamer trunk.. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: bta_50g From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 12 01:08:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37515 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 08:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2003 08:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 08:08:12 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.186]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 04:06:24 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01c3484c$c29a1ca0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kloss Tivoli Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 04:08:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 He has always hated AM. I talked with him once, back in 1993, and considered it a complete waste. When he came out with the legendary model 8 (tube FM) and later, the model 21, he said the public doesnt care about AM- leave that for kids radios. I will post some pix later of the conversion.. The chip he uses is the TEA5711 PDF is online. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: amstereorules To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:45 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kloss Tivoli From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 09:17:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34359 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 16:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2003 16:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41011.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 16:17:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20030712161738.15566.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.40.76] by web41011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:17:38 PDT Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kloss Tivoli To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003c01c3484c$c29a1ca0$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I can believe that. On my Model 1, the F.M. section is great considering I'm using the standard wire 75 ohm antenna. The A.M. section on the other hand, not so good. The reception is fair. I've had better transistor radios in terms of reception (only the strongest stations come in). The audio is muddy on the A.M. side. I almost wish he had built an F.M.-only radio for the Model 1. Overall, it's a good $100 F.M. radio and a $2 A.M. radio. 73, Jay, N1WVQ P.S.: Has Kloss HEARD A.M. Stereo? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 13:09:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56545 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 20:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2003 20:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 20:09:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2003 20:09:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:09:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Another Motorola B-100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c3484b$f9869640$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 503 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I gotta dig it out- The set does have jacks for a record changer, > and tape in/tape out. Mine, with the speakers "unfolded" is about > 3 feet long. Closed up, the handles are on each side, recessed in > the wood (real wood, btw) it would remind you of a steamer trunk.. > cc BTW, this radio is slightly newer and doesn't do any folding tricks, but I at least like the way it looks: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2183335239 It sorta reminds me of a vintage Bose WaveRadio... From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 14:09:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27162 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 21:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2003 21:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 21:09:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2003 21:09:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:09:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Another Motorola B-100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > BTW, this radio is slightly newer and doesn't do any folding tricks, > but I at least like the way it looks: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2183335239 > It sorta reminds me of a vintage Bose WaveRadio... I wonder what it sounds like ? As I said mine is surplus, and I am thinking of putting a Zenith High Fidelity in its place. Powell From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 14:18:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97454 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 21:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2003 21:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 21:18:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2003 21:18:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:18:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Another Motorola B-100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 634 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As I said mine is surplus, and I am thinking of putting a Zenith > High Fidelity in its place. I have a Zenith "Long Distance" radio sitting in my basement... wooden cabinet, single 5x7" woofer with separate tweeter, AM and FM, and lots of mini tubes inside... late '60s, probably? Unfortunately, it "no works", even though all of its tubes test OK (thanks to the one electronics store in my area that still has a tube tester!). When I turn it on, everything lights up as it should, but there is no sound at all from the speaker (and yes, the speaker itself works fine). I haven't had the chance to investigate further. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 14:25:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6772 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 21:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2003 21:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 21:25:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2003 21:25:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:25:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Another Motorola B-100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 840 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > As I said mine is surplus, and I am thinking of putting a Zenith > > High Fidelity in its place. > > I have a Zenith "Long Distance" radio sitting in my basement... > wooden cabinet, single 5x7" woofer with separate tweeter, AM and FM, > and lots of mini tubes inside... late '60s, probably? > > Unfortunately, it "no works", even though all of its tubes test OK > (thanks to the one electronics store in my area that still has a tube > tester!). When I turn it on, everything lights up as it should, but > there is no sound at all from the speaker (and yes, the speaker > itself works fine). I haven't had the chance to investigate further. Good bet it's the electrolytics. Old capacitors tend to make good radio killers. :/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 12 14:44:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71389 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 21:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2003 21:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 21:44:52 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.145]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:43:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c348be$d8a9d220$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Another Motorola B-100 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:45:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 That model has a selenium rectifier- usually a blue or red stack of plates- with a sandy coated resistor in series with it- typically 7.5 ohms. Check this resistor. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:18 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Another Motorola B-100 > > As I said mine is surplus, and I am thinking of putting a Zenith > > High Fidelity in its place. > > I have a Zenith "Long Distance" radio sitting in my basement... > wooden cabinet, single 5x7" woofer with separate tweeter, AM and FM, > and lots of mini tubes inside... late '60s, probably? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 14:59:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56237 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 21:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2003 21:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 21:59:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2003 21:59:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:59:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Zenith "Long Distance" radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c348be$d8a9d220$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 890 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That model has a selenium rectifier- usually a blue or red stack of > plates- with a sandy coated resistor in series with it- typically > 7.5 ohms. Check this resistor. > CC The bottom sticker says "Model X334", "Chassis 7N07", with a date of "1-30-59". The tubes are 12DT8, 12BE6, 2 x 12BA6, 12AU6, 14GT8, and 35C5. Hmmm... that smells suspiciously like a 6-tube variant of the "All American Five" design with series filaments, and indeed, the filament voltages add up to 109 volts. I thought all series-filament tube radios were AM or AM/Shortwave only, but this one is AM/FM, with AFC too! Anyway, does anybody have a schematic for this Zenith that they could scan in and e-mail to me? That would be greatly appreciated! p.s. I love the warning printed on its back panel: "DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DEFEAT ITS PURPOSE." Well, what other purpose could a radio be used for? :-) From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Jul 12 15:24:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97782 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 22:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2003 22:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 22:24:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2003 22:24:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:24:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Another Motorola B-100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c348be$d8a9d220$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 377 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.202 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > That model has a selenium rectifier- usually a blue or red stack of > plates- with a sandy coated resistor in series with it- typically > 7.5 ohms. Check this resistor. But first replace that selenium rectifier with a 1N4007 diode from Radio Shack, selenium rectifiers make great radio killers. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Jul 12 15:34:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8597 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 22:34:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2003 22:34:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 22:34:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2003 22:34:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:34:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Amy, what are you waiting for? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 465 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.202 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > > As I said mine is surplus, and I am thinking of putting a Zenith > High Fidelity in its place. Look, Powell said his Motorola B100 is "surplus", that means you can probably talk him out of it without paying an arm and a leg. That puts you 95% of the way towards building that RCA style AM stereo radio that you have been talking about, what are you waiting for girl? John From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat Jul 12 15:37:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23513 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 22:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2003 22:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 22:37:07 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030712223707.FBOA5248.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:37:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:37:05 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Zenith "Long Distance" radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5D5CDA26-B4B9-11D7-9C1E-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Isn't that seven? On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 02:59 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > The tubes are 12DT8, 12BE6, 2 x 12BA6, 12AU6, 14GT8, and > 35C5. Hmmm... that smells suspiciously like a 6-tube variant of the > "All American Five" design From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 18:51:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54483 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 01:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2003 01:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 01:51:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2003 01:51:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:51:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Zenith "Long Distance" radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5D5CDA26-B4B9-11D7-9C1E-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 139 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Isn't that seven? As the old saying goes, "There are three types of people in this world: Those who can count, and those who can't." From stodd@vippn.com Sat Jul 12 19:37:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63079 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 02:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2003 02:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 02:37:27 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c348e7$e0934920$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: new addy Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:38:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI I've got a new email address- stodd@vippn.com. The old sherbtel one is no longer working. Gonna have to get my other list subscriptions updated. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 19:42:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93544 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 02:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2003 02:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 02:42:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2003 02:42:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 02:42:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Simple QUAM transmitter? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1457 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Yeah, I know- Getting to an old message. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > > Since just about every AMS system has stereo elements receivable in > > every other system, with varying degrees of compatibility and > > distortion, the idea here is to substitute, or "fudge", to get > > acceptable results, and perhaps expand the AMS horizons & learning > > process along the way- To encourage experimentation. :) > > > > How sucxcessful will this be, I don't know, but I thought I would > > try. :) > > That's pretty much what Sony did with their 4-Way decoders using > an envelope detector and a magnavox type phase detector. Their > system obtained <5% THD in all 4 modes. I seem to recall the Sony chip used a sync detector, since that's what the chip is used for in Sony's shortwave radios. Most AM stereo systems used at least one, if not all three, detectors- Envelope, synchronous, and angular (FM/PM). Seems that C-QUAM uses all three. Were I to design an AM stereo multimode radio, I probably have all three detectors, with two knobs to select between Envelopew, I, Q, and Angular for each output, plus another switch to select between discrete (L & R), matrix, and for ISB, inverse matrix (with an appropriate rephasing bridge). Might be a crazy idea, but eh, what do you expect from a mouse? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 19:45:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1360 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 02:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2003 02:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 02:45:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2003 02:45:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 02:45:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Amy, what are you waiting for? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 687 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" > wrote: > > > > As I said mine is surplus, and I am thinking of putting a Zenith > > High Fidelity in its place. > > Look, Powell said his Motorola B100 is "surplus", that means you can > probably talk him out of it without paying an arm and a leg. That > puts you 95% of the way towards building that RCA style AM stereo > radio that you have been talking about, what are you waiting for girl? Someone else would have to do the soldering for me, since I don't trust mysaelf with a soldering iron. Otherwise.... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 19:59:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22011 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 02:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2003 02:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 02:59:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2003 02:59:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 02:59:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Altername methods paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 629 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: Read through it last night. Your 2AM section seems to be pure QUAM-- In fact, it's identical to QUAM proposals over the decades, going back to 1925, using two AM modulators with a shared LO with one output from the LO at 90 degrees for the quadrature signal. (Some QUAM proposals were unmatrixed- I=L (or R) and Q=R (or L), and some were matrixed- I=L+R, Q=L-R. C-QUAM is matrixed.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (There, getting some of my headier thoughts out of the way- Haven't had as much time or energy as I would have liked to get through these.) From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jul 13 00:02:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2463 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 07:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2003 07:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 07:02:50 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.63.1fc7cf96 (4340) for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 03:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <63.1fc7cf96.2c425e15@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 03:02:45 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Disney NYC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ABC also never bothered to convert Radio Disney 1260 in Belleville, IL (St. Louis, MO) to AM Stereo, either. You need to keep the pressure on Radio Disney to not only turn the Stereo back on 1560 in NYC, but also pressure them to convert their St. Louis station to AM Stereo. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner1@mac.com Sun Jul 13 00:20:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73650 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 07:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2003 07:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 07:20:21 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030713072017.LWWO12292.fed1mtao01.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 03:20:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:20:23 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Zenith "Long Distance" radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <77E260CC-B502-11D7-B96D-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't. On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 06:51 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > As the old saying goes, > > "There are three types of people in this world: Those who can count, > and those who can't." From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 00:20:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71063 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 07:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2003 07:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 07:20:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2003 07:20:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 07:20:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Mouse Radio Idea, NOT Radio Disney! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 644 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: =3Dsnip=3D > So a receiver for the RCA AM stereo system is easy, now how to=20 build=20 > an RCA style transmitter? One way to look at it is that with AM, voltage-modulation occurs - after- the oscillator, while with FM, it's -before- the oscillator. An AM/FM system would have voltage modulation before and after the=20 oscillator. A simplified approach could look like this: Xtal -> (L-R) -> VCO -> (L+R) -> RF stage. Added concerns like delay (25 =B5s), nominal deviation (1250 Hz), and=20 pre-emphasis (100 =B5s time constant) make things interesting. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 01:28:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80012 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 08:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2003 08:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 08:28:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2003 08:28:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:28:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: number jokes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <77E260CC-B502-11D7-B96D-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 191 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand > binary and those who don't. Why did the Microsoft programmer confuse Halloween with Christmas? Because OCT 31 = DEC 25. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 04:31:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23733 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 11:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2003 11:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 11:31:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2003 11:31:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:31:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Zenith "Long Distance" radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <77E260CC-B502-11D7-B96D-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 505 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW That tube complement is the chassis that Zenith used in quite a few of their table radios of the era, and it is indeed AC DC. My C-845 is an 8 tube variant, and that model is called the High Fidelity, and it is indeed so on AM as well as the FM. If the tubes light up and there's no audio, you indeed need to change the rectifier. The selenium is more dangerous to you if it nukes than the radio. If it destroys the radio too bad. If you get poisoned from the smoke vapor...welllllll.... Powell From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jul 13 08:05:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91688 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 15:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2003 15:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 15:05:19 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.91] (d59-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.91]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h6DF5HD71849 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:05:15 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 781 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1058083644.405.96453.m12@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: "Kevin, The Furnace, Mesa, AZ" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Sounds like the Tuner or RF section is out. Its getting really hard to find parts to fix these things with. Kevin on 7/13/03 1:07, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com at amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:18:38 -0000 > From: "Kevin T." > Subject: Re: Another Motorola B-100 > >> As I said mine is surplus, and I am thinking of putting a Zenith >> High Fidelity in its place. > > I have a Zenith "Long Distance" radio sitting in my basement... > wooden cabinet, single 5x7" woofer with separate tweeter, AM and FM, > and lots of mini tubes inside... late '60s, probably? > > Unfortunately, it "no works", even though all of its tubes test OK > (thanks to the one electronics store in my area that still has a tube > tester!). When I turn it on, everything lights up as it should, but > there is no sound at all from the speaker (and yes, the speaker > itself works fine). I haven't had the chance to investigate further. From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jul 13 08:06:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12839 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 15:06:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2003 15:06:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 15:06:58 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.91] (d59-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.91]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h6DF6vD71871 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:06:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:06:54 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 781 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1058083644.405.96453.m12@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: "Kevin, The Furnace, Mesa, AZ" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Kevin, If you can't get a free copy of this schematic, go to www.justradios.com and buy it there. The schematics are only $5. Thats really reasonable. Kevin on 7/13/03 1:07, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com at amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:59:22 -0000 > From: "Kevin T." > Subject: Re: Zenith "Long Distance" radio > > Anyway, does anybody have a schematic for this Zenith that they could > scan in and e-mail to me? That would be greatly appreciated! > > p.s. I love the warning printed on its back panel: "DO NOT ATTEMPT > TO DEFEAT ITS PURPOSE." Well, what other purpose could a radio be > used for? :-) From rwagoner1@mac.com Sun Jul 13 16:39:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84434 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 23:39:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2003 23:39:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 23:39:25 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030713233925.SAOB5248.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:39:25 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:39:37 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Zenith "Long Distance" radio Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <43E36EFE-B58B-11D7-B865-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Would that be true if I get "amplifier sound" (hiss) when the volume is turned way up, but just a faint sound of actual radio -- only extremely strong stations -- on an old school (an old radio from a school, not the modern term) radio? Richard On Sunday, July 13, 2003, at 04:31 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > That tube complement is the chassis that Zenith used in quite a few > of their table radios of the era, and it is indeed AC DC. My C-845 is > an 8 tube variant, and that model is called the High Fidelity, and it > is indeed so on AM as well as the FM. If the tubes light up and > there's no audio, you indeed need to change the rectifier. The > selenium is more dangerous to you if it nukes than the radio. If it > destroys the radio too bad. If you get poisoned from the smoke > vapor...welllllll.... > > > Powell > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge & refill kit orders to US & > Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, > Lexmark & more. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From philipr@irac.pe.ca Sun Jul 13 16:46:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68701 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 23:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2003 23:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 23:46:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2003 23:46:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:46:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Zenith "Long Distance" radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43E36EFE-B58B-11D7-B865-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2084 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.166.158.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking sounds like a cap problem to me. i'd replace the selnium rectifier witha rectifier diode, add some series resistance to keep the voltage in line. Leave the sel rectifier in, disconect one lead etc. If you research zenith trans-oceanics, you'll find lots of info on replacing sel rect. 50 to 70 ohms resistnace in series with a 600 volt 1 amp rectifier diode works great in the ZTO G500, H500 and 600 series. You'll likely need a different value for other models. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Would that be true if I get "amplifier sound" (hiss) when the volume is > turned way up, but just a faint sound of actual radio -- only extremely > strong stations -- on an old school (an old radio from a school, not > the modern term) radio? > > Richard > > On Sunday, July 13, 2003, at 04:31 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > That tube complement is the chassis that Zenith used in quite a few > > of their table radios of the era, and it is indeed AC DC. My C- 845 is > > an 8 tube variant, and that model is called the High Fidelity, and it > > is indeed so on AM as well as the FM. If the tubes light up and > > there's no audio, you indeed need to change the rectifier. The > > selenium is more dangerous to you if it nukes than the radio. If it > > destroys the radio too bad. If you get poisoned from the smoke > > vapor...welllllll.... > > > > > > Powell > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ---------------------~--> > > Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge & refill kit orders to US & > > Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, > > Lexmark & more. > > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/CPMolB/TM > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ --- > > ~-> > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 17:46:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37131 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 00:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2003 00:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 00:46:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2003 00:46:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 00:46:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Altername methods paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1613 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 67.64.23.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > wrote: > > Read through it last night. Your 2AM section seems to be pure QUAM- - > In fact, it's identical to QUAM proposals over the decades, going > back to 1925, using two AM modulators with a shared LO with one > output from the LO at 90 degrees for the quadrature signal. > > (Some QUAM proposals were unmatrixed- I=L (or R) and Q=R (or L), and > some were matrixed- I=L+R, Q=L-R. C-QUAM is matrixed.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (There, getting some of my headier thoughts out of the way- Haven't > had as much time or energy as I would have liked to get through > these.) And right you are. When I realized what was happening with how the Quampliphase method could be simplified, I asked myself, "What took ya so d----- long and why did you have to work so hard at it. Anyway, I think it's a somewhat easier way to get QuAM than all the IC's. 4 transistors at the simplest form and QuAM is there. One of the parallel projects I'm doing. Another of these is decoding the C-QuAM signal using an alternate method (there's that phrase again!) suggested by Motorola. The heart of this is a uPC1382 IC. This chip holds great promise for a practical C-QuAM decoder without having to resort to the Motorola product. Again, I will share with the group my findings when I have more. With all of these goings on, my family is begining to suspect that C-QuAM Stereo means "Can't Quit Until Another Mess Spreads To Every Room, Even Outside!" From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 18:03:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19804 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 01:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2003 01:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 01:03:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2003 01:03:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:03:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Digital vs Analog on MW AM Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 260 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 67.64.23.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb Lest we forget, another very powerful reason for keeping analog AM, in a disaster any good boyscout can piece together a crystal radio and get news. Do that with digital. "AM Stereo. It's not just for talk anymore." Anyway, that's my $0.0195 on the matter. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 19:05:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1810 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 02:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2003 02:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 02:05:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2003 02:05:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:04:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Digital vs Analog on MW AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1318 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > Lest we forget, another very powerful reason for keeping analog AM, > in a disaster any good boyscout can piece together a crystal radio > and get news. Do that with digital. > "AM Stereo. It's not just for talk anymore." > > Anyway, that's my $0.0195 on the matter. And that is PRECISELY why I'm doing all this! Stereo may not be a necessity in emergency situations, but as insurance for unforseen circumstances, NEVER rely on any proiprietary system for broadcast, or you'll be unbable to use the system. Fortunately, (C-)QUAM is based on existing methods over 75 years old, meaning the techniquesw will (I hope!) be around as long as possible. We have taken for granted that, even at its worst, the economy won't cost the corporatiuons their existance. No-one here has truly seen an economic collapse of such magnitude. But it will happen, someday, and it will take with it proprietary technologies. We need to lose our dependence on proprietary technologies if we wish to continue as a high-tech-savvy culture. Fortunately, the last of the proposed AMS systems still under patent- Sansui's variation on the RCA AM/FM system- will expire next year. AM stereo for all, now. AM stereo for the future! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 20:53:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76225 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 03:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2003 03:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 03:53:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2003 03:53:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 03:53:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Altername methods paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2102 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > > wrote: > > > > Read through it last night. Your 2AM section seems to be pure QUAM- > - > > In fact, it's identical to QUAM proposals over the decades, going > > back to 1925, using two AM modulators with a shared LO with one > > output from the LO at 90 degrees for the quadrature signal. > > > > (Some QUAM proposals were unmatrixed- I=L (or R) and Q=R (or L), > and > > some were matrixed- I=L+R, Q=L-R. C-QUAM is matrixed.) > > And right you are. When I realized what was happening with how > the Quampliphase method could be simplified, I asked myself, "What > took ya so d----- long and why did you have to work so hard at it. > Anyway, I think it's a somewhat easier way to get QuAM than all the > IC's. 4 transistors at the simplest form and QuAM is there. One of > the parallel projects I'm doing. Don't forget the LO, quadrature phasing and the 25Hz pilot tone on the quadrature sigtnal! :) > Another of these is decoding the C-QuAM signal using an alternate > method (there's that phrase again!) suggested by Motorola. The heart > of this is a uPC1382 IC. This chip holds great promise for a > practical C-QuAM decoder without having to resort to the Motorola > product. Again, I will share with the group my findings when I have > more. Please do let us know more about this as you go along. Actually, as previously discussed here, the easiest way to decode C- QUAM is with a pure QUAM decoder, based omn a simple sync detector. (Don't forget to dematrix. :) ) > With all of these goings on, my family is begining to suspect > that C-QuAM Stereo means "Can't Quit Until Another Mess Spreads To > Every Room, Even Outside!" Hehe... Anyone who lives with the radio-obsessed knows this phenomenon all too well. :) And there are some of us who have dreams involving AM stereo-- I do, frequently. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jul 13 22:29:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65035 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 05:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2003 05:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 05:29:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2003 05:29:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 05:29:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Who's running IBOC? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 63 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "big_h00pla" X-Originating-IP: 208.187.57.31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Here's your scorecard. http://beradio.com/eye_on_iboc Kevin From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Jul 13 23:31:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjlehmann@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6105 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 06:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2003 06:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 06:31:27 -0000 Received: from amd (h00045a211583.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.30.161.125](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20030714053645014007vu84e>; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 05:36:46 +0000 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Who's running IBOC? Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:36:59 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01c349c9$f37ac7b0$6500a8c0@AMD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal From: "Jeff Lehmann" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153024394 X-Yahoo-Profile: n1zzn I know that at least one on that list is wrong. 93.7 WQSX here in Boston used it for about a week, then shut it off. I'm not sure why, maybe complaints from 93.5 WDVT on Cape Cod. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: big_h00pla [mailto:amfmdx@fastq.com] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 1:30 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Who's running IBOC? Here's your scorecard. http://beradio.com/eye_on_iboc Kevin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Jul 13 23:35:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74572 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 06:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2003 06:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 06:35:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2003 06:35:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 06:35:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Who's running IBOC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 431 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.234 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "big_h00pla" wrote: > Here's your scorecard. > > http://beradio.com/eye_on_iboc > > Kevin Only 5 out of the 28 are AM. That's less than 1/5. I don't know what the ratio of the total FM to AM stations exist in the US but I would think it is less than 5:1. I expect this ratio to increase as the FM system seems functional where the AM system is completely disfunctional. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 00:26:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93424 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 07:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2003 07:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 07:26:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2003 07:26:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:26:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Who's running IBOC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 682 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Only 5 out of the 28 are AM. That's less than 1/5. And I don't know if the listing of 750 WSB is valid, because if they were broadcasting IBOC regularly, I'm sure we would have heard about it by now. The FCC is attempting to keep its own record of which stations are using IBOC, in either Hybrid or Full Digital modes, but even the accuracy of that database is highly questionable. For example, Greater Media has flagged *all* of their AM and FM stations as transmitting Hybrid IBOC, when in fact I don't think *any* of them currently are, at least not on AM -- indeed, their flagship AM stations 1450 WCTC and 950 WPEN both continue to broadcast in C-Quam AM Stereo! From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Jul 14 08:30:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49372 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 15:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2003 15:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 15:30:13 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.67] (d35-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.67]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h6EFUCD06300 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:30:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:30:10 -0700 Subject: Who's Running IBOC? To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1058170989.348.97776.m12@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: "Kevin, The Furnace, Mesa, AZ" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla I thought I heard that WSB did some IBOC testing. Perhaps Powell Way can fill us in. Kevin on 7/14/03 1:23, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com at amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:26:11 -0000 > From: "Kevin T." > Subject: Re: Who's running IBOC? > >> Only 5 out of the 28 are AM. That's less than 1/5. > > And I don't know if the listing of 750 WSB is valid, because if they > were broadcasting IBOC regularly, I'm sure we would have heard about > it by now. From rjskadl@yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 13:48:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27410 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 20:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2003 20:48:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 20:48:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2003 20:47:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:47:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Who's Running IBOC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1066 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "RJSKADL" X-Originating-IP: 129.49.152.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Is this list really accurate? I thought that WNEW FM was supposedly currently running IBOC? How come they are not on the list? This is not just speculation either. If I recall, Kerry and or Tom from WOR were talking about hearing the WNEW FM's IBOC on their test receiver. Wasn't there some gathering of engineers in Manhattan where they were able to listen to WOR and WNEW from some high rise? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin, The Furnace, Mesa, AZ" wrote: > I thought I heard that WSB did some IBOC testing. Perhaps Powell Way can > fill us in. > > Kevin > > > on 7/14/03 1:23, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com at > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > Message: 14 > > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:26:11 -0000 > > From: "Kevin T." > > Subject: Re: Who's running IBOC? > > > >> Only 5 out of the 28 are AM. That's less than 1/5. > > > > And I don't know if the listing of 750 WSB is valid, because if they > > were broadcasting IBOC regularly, I'm sure we would have heard about > > it by now. From stodd@vippn.com Mon Jul 14 17:31:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90826 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 00:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 00:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 00:31:05 -0000 Message-ID: <002c01c34a68$90298440$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Altername methods paper Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:32:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Anything to wean us off of these increasingly scarce decoder chips will certainly help keep our cause alive. Hope you have plenty of success and soon! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "radioka0rfb" > Another of these is decoding the C-QuAM signal using an alternate > method (there's that phrase again!) suggested by Motorola. The heart > of this is a uPC1382 IC. This chip holds great promise for a > practical C-QuAM decoder without having to resort to the Motorola > product. Again, I will share with the group my findings when I have > more. From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Jul 14 18:58:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94213 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 01:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 01:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 01:58:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2003 01:58:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:58:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Altername methods paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 500 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.239 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > > Another of these is decoding the C-QuAM signal using an alternate > method (there's that phrase again!) suggested by Motorola. The heart > of this is a uPC1382 IC. This chip holds great promise for a > practical C-QuAM decoder without having to resort to the Motorola > product. Again, I will share with the group my findings when I have > more. Might I ask what a "uPC1382" IC is, and who makes it? John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 20:43:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22699 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 03:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 03:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 03:43:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2003 03:43:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:43:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Altername methods paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 74 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Might I ask what a "uPC1382" IC is, and who makes it? Yes, you might. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 20:47:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75713 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 03:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 03:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 03:47:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2003 03:47:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:47:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Altername methods paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 187 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Might I ask what a "uPC1382" IC is, and who makes it? Any "chip" with a "=B5PC" prefix is made by "NEC", and the so-called "=B5PC1382" is a "TV sound IF amplifier" in a "14-pin DIP". From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 22:21:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85651 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 05:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 05:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 05:21:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2003 05:21:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 05:21:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Altername methods paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002c01c34a68$90298440$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 920 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Anything to wean us off of these increasingly scarce decoder chips=20 will > certainly help keep our cause alive. Hope you have plenty of=20 success and > soon! This goes not only for receiver designs, but for transmitters (for=20 experimentation/Part 15 usage) as well, since the Alfredo/Alfredo=20 Lite design can't be built now, since some of the chips are difficult=20 to obtain. I brought up "fudging" C-QUAM some time ago, since there have been=20 such "fudging" before, both on transmitting and receiving. Harris' conversions to "C-QUAM" transmission is a good example-- All=20 they did was fix the VCPM to 90=B0 fixed quadrature- Effectively, pure=20 QUAM- with the C-QUAM 25Hz pilot tone in the Q signal. Well, it=20 worked, at least! A number of stations sounded great under this=20 scheme, like KFI of Los Angeles. :) So, why not? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Tue Jul 15 03:51:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58843 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 10:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 10:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 10:51:43 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6FApZY08822; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:51:35 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:51:35 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Cc: amstereoforum , Steve Dinius <10kc@fmtc.com>, Kevin Redding , "Alex K." , , Subject: Re: [Dennis' AM Stereo List] - Back fron trip- bad news about KOFI In-Reply-To: <20030715093917.ENVY9137.imf24aec.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 (Darwin) DJL4LOONS@aol.com wrote: > All AMS stations known along my routes were still stereo... except for > KOFI 1180 in Kalispell, MT. They are pretty much an all-oldies > syndicate feed now (not the news-talk-oldies format they had been), but > are no longer stereo. Looks like western Montana no longer has an AM > stereo station :( Hey Darwin - glad you had a good trip - and that the AMS situation seems pretty healthy on the west coast. But this is a personal tragedy to me. Before I'd stumbled across Alex - and the AMS lists - it was KOFI that I did stumble across (searching for AMS) - and this wonderful person at KOFI - Dave Shannon - put me in touch with Sam's Cameras and Video store in Kalispell which sold me and some friends four SRF-42s. I've been listening to SRF-42s ever since! My "friends" couldn't care less. They seemed to think it was a nice gimmick. I wonder if there's anything we can do to get KOFI back into the fold. If you're still there Dave (six years later) please let us know if we can help. And thanks heaps for how you helped me continue my almost secretive AMS experience. I wouldn't change anything since stumbling across you others who love AM stereo (IBOC John excluded) three years ago. I've made several e-mail friends and a few on and off enemies. But it's all been for the good. I wish Chris would sometimes give us some encouragement despite his personal family problems. We love you Chris! And Alex - it seems our intrepid reporter - Shane Filan-Khan-Tekel - has found you too. For God's sake say something - even as someone else. Us oldies on the list love you too! Thanks for helping me. This was my message of six year ago to Dave at KOFI. God bless you Dave! > ( )___( ) > - - > ( * * ) > -------------------------oo0-( * )-0oo---------------------------- > | | > | Thanks alot Dave. | > | | > | I have placed an order with Sam's Cameras & Electronics. | > | | > | I really appreciate your help! Ian D. | > | | > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > (__) (__) > > On Tue, 13 May 1997, KOFI radio wrote: > > > Hi Ian: > > Guess what? I believe that there's one for sale right here in > > Kalispell, Montana. The business name here is Sam's Cameras & > > Electronics. Their phone number is (406)257-7116. Check them > > out. I'm sure they take plastic too. > > Good luck! > > Dave Shannon > > koci@marsweb.com God bless Johnny Electron too! .. and you too UK Dave! (sorry I upset you - it was my fault - but we've gotto go forward). From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jul 15 05:54:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64343 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 12:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 12:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 12:54:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2003 12:54:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:54:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Altername methods paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 843 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.236 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" =20 wrote: >=20 > Harris' conversions to "C-QUAM" transmission is a good example-- All=20 > they did was fix the VCPM to 90=B0 fixed quadrature- Effectively, pure=20 > QUAM- That doesn't make sense, I thought that's essentially what they got in=20 trouble with the FCC for, effectively running pure QUAM, which was=20 against the rules the FCC had established. It is a simple matter to convert a QUAM exciter to C-Quam, you just=20 feed the Amplitude Modulation input of the transmitter from the "L+R"=20 matrix output, rather than the output of the envelope detector in the=20 exciter. Of course you also have to add a 25 Hz pilot tone if you=20 want C-Quam receiver to recognize the signal, but you have to do that=20 in any case where the signal is to be received on a C-Quam receiver. John From oscar@globility.com Tue Jul 15 06:46:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55913 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 13:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 13:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 13:46:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2003 13:46:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:46:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Where Have All the CDs Gone? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1014 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I came by this article at the "Future of Music Coalition"'s website=20 where they point to the captioned article found in Sound and Vision=20 magazine.=20=20 While it may be a bit OT from a technical standpoint for this group,=20 it does make a case for continuing interest in AM-stereo and, for=20 that matter, also for an AM-IBOC system that works. Either system=20 would act as a means of supporting the music industry. How? IMO, it=20 would bolster the industry by offering more "listenable quality"=20 venues for the distribution of music releases. Of course, any station=20 that has any popularity will be prey for the consolidators. What do=20 you think? The article; "Where Have All the CDs Gone?" The record industry blames piracy and downloading for sagging sales =97=20 here's the whole story. By James K. Willcox Copyright - Sound and Vision Magazine, June 2003 http://soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp? section_id=3D2&article_id=3D453&page_number=3D1 (Make sure you capture the URL all the way to "number=3D1") M.S. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 15 07:41:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95778 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 14:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 14:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12803.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 14:41:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20030715144103.46091.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:41:03 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the Nautel Forum To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com.... Nautel Reaches Out to Engineers With Future Technology Event Nautel has begun holding informational sessions for customers and potential customers on future technologies in radio, including HD Radio. Roughly 25 Atlantic Canadian broadcast engineers attended the first “Nautel Forum @ the Factory.” Nautel opened its doors to broadcast vendors and engineers on June 20 for a day that featured presentations and product demos from vendors including Audio Precision, Belar and Telos/Omnia. “Our goal is to include field engineers in the product development process, and the forum has helped to achieve that goal,” stated Nautel President/CEO Scott Campbell. He indicated the forum would likely be a recurring event, and potentially expanded to other regions. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 15 07:53:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96101 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 14:53:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 14:53:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 14:53:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2003 14:53:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:53:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1180 KOFI Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 523 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > still stereo... except for KOFI 1180 in Kalispell, MT. Well, the logo and wallpaper on their web site still claims they are: http://www.kofiradio.com/ On the Advertising page, they also say "KOFI-AM is the most powerful AM Stereo radio station in Northwest Montana with an authorized power of 50,000 watts daytime and 10,000 watts at night. We broadcast 24 hours a day in AM stereo to a population of over 100,000." If you'd like to hold them up to their word, KOFI can be contacted at: kofi@kofiradio.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 15 09:07:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84230 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 16:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 16:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 16:07:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2003 16:07:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:07:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Altername methods paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 697 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" =20 > wrote: > >=20 > > Harris' conversions to "C-QUAM" transmission is a good example--=20 All=20 > > they did was fix the VCPM to 90=B0 fixed quadrature- Effectively,=20 pure=20 > > QUAM- >=20 > That doesn't make sense, I thought that's essentially what they got=20 in=20 > trouble with the FCC for, effectively running pure QUAM, which was=20 > against the rules the FCC had established. No; the conversion to (C-)QUAM occured -after- the mess with the FCC,=20 which resulted from the fact that Harris "cooked the books", as it=20 were, about their VCPM system. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jul 15 10:02:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37932 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 17:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 17:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 17:02:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2003 17:02:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:02:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Altername methods paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1344 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.113 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" =20 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" =20 > > wrote: > > >=20 > > > Harris' conversions to "C-QUAM" transmission is a good example--=20 > All=20 > > > they did was fix the VCPM to 90=B0 fixed quadrature- Effectively,=20 > pure=20 > > > QUAM- > >=20 > > That doesn't make sense, I thought that's essentially what they got=20 > in=20 > > trouble with the FCC for, effectively running pure QUAM, which was=20 > > against the rules the FCC had established. >=20 > No; the conversion to (C-)QUAM occured -after- the mess with the FCC,=20 > which resulted from the fact that Harris "cooked the books", as it=20 > were, about their VCPM system. Let me put it another way and see if you get my meaning, as I=20 understand it the way Harris "cooked the books" as you call it was by=20 effectively running their VCPM system as a full QUAM system. If that=20 was indeed the problem they had with the FCC, why would the FCC let=20 them "convert to C-Quam" by actually converting to full QUAM with a 25=20 Hz pilot as you propose? That would be doing exactly what the FCC=20 busted them for, your reasoning just doesn't compute, please explain=20 in more detail, or explain what Harris was really busted for? John From krichards@wor710.com Tue Jul 15 10:28:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94664 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 17:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 17:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 17:28:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2003 17:27:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:27:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Who's Running IBOC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1672 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.130.158 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Just checked the HD Radio, WNEW FM is up and running HD. That makes WOR and WNEW the two NYC stations for now. Our Harris rep tells us that both WSB and WBT are running HD Radio through Harris Dexstar exciters in to their DX transmitters. Ibiquity tells us the "WOR patch" running the analog audio at 6khz is now standard in the current software release. We hear that the Arthur Liu stations will be the next to turn on the AM HD radio here in NYC. Kerry... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: > > Is this list really accurate? I thought that WNEW FM was > supposedly currently running IBOC? How come they are not on > the list? This is not just speculation either. If I recall, Kerry and > or Tom from WOR were talking about hearing the WNEW FM's > IBOC on their test receiver. Wasn't there some gathering of > engineers in Manhattan where they were able to listen to WOR > and WNEW from some high rise? > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin, The Furnace, > Mesa, AZ" wrote: > > I thought I heard that WSB did some IBOC testing. Perhaps > Powell Way can > > fill us in. > > > > Kevin > > > > > > on 7/14/03 1:23, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com at > > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > > Message: 14 > > > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:26:11 -0000 > > > From: "Kevin T." > > > Subject: Re: Who's running IBOC? > > > > > >> Only 5 out of the 28 are AM. That's less than 1/5. > > > > > > And I don't know if the listing of 750 WSB is valid, because if > they > > > were broadcasting IBOC regularly, I'm sure we would have > heard about > > > it by now. From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue Jul 15 10:53:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65614 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 17:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 17:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 17:53:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2003 17:53:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:52:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Who's Running IBOC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2727 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "RJSKADL" X-Originating-IP: 129.49.152.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Thanks for the Update Kerry. The list on that site is obviously missing some key stations. WNEW FM is no small signal. How do they overlook that? A good friend of mine works as an engineer at another Infinity station and was able to confirm for me that WNEW FM is indeed running HD. Spoke to Harrold from Multicultural the day that we all went to visit WOR and he said that they were definately going to be setting up IBOC on their Stations starting with NYC. That means now AM 930 WPAT, AM 1380 W___, AM 1430 WNSW, and AM 1480 WZRC. That will add five more AMs to the list, making the HD ratio in NYC 5:1 Great news about the 6K analog audio, (the WOR Patch). Lets also not forget that there is a lower resolution digital mode that should enable AM stations to operate with 7.5 K analog audio, or was it 8.5K? Thanks again for the update. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > Just checked the HD Radio, WNEW FM is up and running HD. > > That makes WOR and WNEW the two NYC stations for now. > > Our Harris rep tells us that both WSB and WBT are running HD Radio > through Harris Dexstar exciters in to their DX transmitters. > > Ibiquity tells us the "WOR patch" running the analog audio at 6khz is > now standard in the current software release. > > We hear that the Arthur Liu stations will be the next to turn on the > AM HD radio here in NYC. > > Kerry... > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: > > > > Is this list really accurate? I thought that WNEW FM was > > supposedly currently running IBOC? How come they are not on > > the list? This is not just speculation either. If I recall, > Kerry and > > or Tom from WOR were talking about hearing the WNEW FM's > > IBOC on their test receiver. Wasn't there some gathering of > > engineers in Manhattan where they were able to listen to WOR > > and WNEW from some high rise? > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin, The Furnace, > > Mesa, AZ" wrote: > > > I thought I heard that WSB did some IBOC testing. Perhaps > > Powell Way can > > > fill us in. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > on 7/14/03 1:23, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com at > > > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > > > > Message: 14 > > > > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:26:11 -0000 > > > > From: "Kevin T." > > > > Subject: Re: Who's running IBOC? > > > > > > > >> Only 5 out of the 28 are AM. That's less than 1/5. > > > > > > > > And I don't know if the listing of 750 WSB is valid, because if > > they > > > > were broadcasting IBOC regularly, I'm sure we would have > > heard about > > > > it by now. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 15 10:56:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35966 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 17:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 17:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12810.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.137) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 17:56:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20030715175638.88198.qmail@web12810.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:56:38 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Who's Running IBOC? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Ibiquity tells us the "WOR patch" running the analog audio at 6khz is > now standard in the current software release. But yet, WOR itself isn't using this "patch"... I hear the same sub-telephone-quality, highly distorted 5 kHz analog audio as ever from WOR whenever the IBOC is active. It only switches to 6 kHz after sunset when the IBOC is turned off. As for WNEW, they are evidence that IBOC on FM is far more "polite" than IBOC on AM. In typical listening conditions, you don't hear the digital sidebands, and the audio quality of the main analog signal doesn't appear to be degraded. However, with a good car radio, it is mighty coincidental that a listenable signal can be received on nearly every FM channel *except* those immediately surrounding 102.7 WNEW (i.e. 102.5 and 102.9), which bring forth a "blank channel" type of white noise hiss. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jul 15 12:12:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23857 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 19:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 19:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 19:12:54 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.213]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:11:15 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01c34b05$1c310480$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Altername methods paper Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:13:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 To set the record straight, the IC's for the "Lite" are all still available, and I am still building them as time permits. As I am making and drilling the boards here at home, it cannot happen as fast as it used to, especially since my added "health care" responsibilities needto be done first. As well, at last look, there are over a quarter million decoder IC's available at any given time on the Asian market. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: amymousie To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:21 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Altername methods paper From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jul 15 13:52:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22235 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 20:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2003 20:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 20:52:54 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-29.skyweb.net [66.6.130.157]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h6FKxgnZ023394 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:59:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3F14694F.AF8521EB@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:51:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Who's Running IBOC? References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Kerry Not on WTTM he won't. at least for the time being. I know some of our west coast stations,and 1 or 2 east coast stations. Neal Kerry Richards wrote: > We hear that the Arthur Liu stations will be the next to turn on the > AM HD radio here in NYC. > > Kerry... > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: > > > > Is this list really accurate? I thought that WNEW FM was > > supposedly currently running IBOC? How come they are not on > > the list? This is not just speculation either. If I recall, > Kerry and > > or Tom from WOR were talking about hearing the WNEW FM's > > IBOC on their test receiver. Wasn't there some gathering of > > engineers in Manhattan where they were able to listen to WOR > > and WNEW from some high rise? > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin, The Furnace, > > Mesa, AZ" wrote: > > > I thought I heard that WSB did some IBOC testing. Perhaps > > Powell Way can > > > fill us in. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > on 7/14/03 1:23, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com at > > > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > > > > Message: 14 > > > > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:26:11 -0000 > > > > From: "Kevin T." > > > > Subject: Re: Who's running IBOC? > > > > > > > >> Only 5 out of the 28 are AM. That's less than 1/5. > > > > > > > > And I don't know if the listing of 750 WSB is valid, because if > > they > > > > were broadcasting IBOC regularly, I'm sure we would have > > heard about > > > > it by now. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 15 17:57:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39670 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 00:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 00:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 00:57:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2003 00:57:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:57:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Who's Running IBOC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1918 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Spoke to Harrold from Multicultural the day that we all went to > visit WOR and he said that they were definately going to be setting > up IBOC on their Stations starting with NYC. That means now AM 930 > WPAT, AM 1380 W___, AM 1430 WNSW, and AM 1480 WZRC. That will add > five more AMs to the list, making the HD ratio in NYC 5:1 I'll believe it when I hear it. Regardless of what you think of the way he runs his radio stations, Arthur Liu is a smart businessman. I doubt he'd sink any large investment of time, money, and effort into any unproven technology like IBOC. Except for 10,000-watt WTTM 1680 AM Stereo, Multicultural's AM signals aren't the greatest in the world, and for those people who care to listen to these stations' ethnic programming, they already have enough to deal with, without worrying about IBOC's hiss, hash, and low-fidelity mono analog audio. Multicultural's flagship station 930 WPAT also happens to be the longest-running AM Stereo station in New Jersey, and they even promote it on the air, both in their English IDs and within their Spanish language programming. 1430 WNSW -- another AM Stereo station -- will likely never use IBOC, because of the large interference it would cause to co-owned 1440 WNYG on Long Island. And the thought of using IBOC on WNYG itself is laughable, with their Class D signal with 1 kW daytime and a mere 38 watts at night! > Lets also not forget that there is a lower resolution digital mode > that should enable AM stations to operate with 7.5 K analog audio, > or was it 8.5K? The optional mode provides 8.0 kHz analog audio, activated by the "AAB" (Analog Audio Bandwidth) setting in the IBOC exciter. It doesn't reduce the quality (or lack thereof) of the digital audio, but requires that both sidebands be received in order to decode the digital signal, rather than only one sideband when used with 5 kHz analog audio. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 15 20:38:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74732 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 03:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 03:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 03:38:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20030716033847.20753.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.118.184.93] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:38:47 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: As Robin would say: "Holy CRL Systems Batman!" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Did you see what this went for on eBay? "Radio Broadcast AM Stereo Matrix Processor" for $591 bucks! "Phil must be the boss" to pay that kind of cash for that puppy! Zowies, bam, pow... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jul 15 21:03:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20221 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 04:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 04:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 04:03:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2003 04:03:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 04:03:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: As Robin would say: "Holy CRL Systems Batman!" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030716033847.20753.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 431 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Did you see what this went for on eBay? > "Radio Broadcast AM Stereo Matrix Processor" for $591 bucks! > "Phil must be the boss" to pay that kind of cash for that puppy! > Zowies, bam, pow... And well worth every penny, more interesting was the huge number of bids placed by very few bidders, people sure do love their "matrix" processors. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 15 21:44:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3153 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 04:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 04:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 04:44:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2003 04:44:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 04:44:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: As Robin would say: "Holy CRL Systems Batman!" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030716033847.20753.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1066 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > "Radio Broadcast AM Stereo Matrix Processor" for $591 bucks! Were it not for the last-moment bidding battle between Phil and some other fellow, the price appeared ready to settle in the $350 range, similar to the last time one of these CRL processors that showed up on eBay, which would be more reasonable for an "as-is" unit. A full AM Stereo processing scheme from CRL would also include their Stereo Preparation Processor (AGC?) and Spectral Energy Processor (multi-band compressor). It all teams up to form a very nice- sounding AM Stereo audio chain, such as heard on 1240 KEVA. And for those who don't have this kind of cash on hand, here's a more affordable stereo matrix processor: http://www.nrgkitsfm.com/radiokits/stereo_limiter.htm It's designed for FM use, but it does have matrix processing, and with its switchable pre-emphasis and 15 kHz "brick wall" filter it's also very suitable for hi-fi AM Stereo broadcasting (at least in cases where NRSC or other bandwidth regulations are not applicable, such as for low-power Part 15 use). From alfredot@inetarena.com Wed Jul 16 00:02:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10592 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 07:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 07:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 07:02:27 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust58.tnt16.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [67.227.163.58]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6G6v8Ur006160 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:00:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Zenith "Long Distance" radio In-Reply-To: <1058083644.405.96453.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > filament voltages add up to 109 volts. I thought all series-filament > tube radios were AM or AM/Shortwave only, but this one is AM/FM, with > AFC too! I have a late 1940s Zenith 7H820. This radio has both the 42-48 and 88-108 MHz FM bands in addition to AM. Like in your radio, miniature tubes are used throughout with the filaments wired in series. The power supply uses a selenium rectifier. Back in 1948, when my Zenith was built, using miniature tubes and a selenium rectifier was probably considered a pretty cutting-edge design! > p.s. I love the warning printed on its back panel: "DO NOT ATTEMPT > TO DEFEAT ITS PURPOSE." Well, what other purpose could a radio be > used for? :-) That label is probably referring to the female end of the power cord that was attached to the pressboard back panel of the radio. Remember that these are hot chassis radios, so some safety interlock had to be provided so that when the user opened up the radio to replace defective tubes, there wouldn't be a risk that he would touch the AC line. Alfredo From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 01:11:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20223 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 08:11:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 08:11:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 08:11:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2003 08:11:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:11:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Zenith "Long Distance" radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 725 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Remember that these are hot chassis radios, And unfortunately that's a cost-cutting design that continued well into the transistorized era. I have a '70s GE clock radio (the same kind that's shown briefly during the opening theme of the TV sitcom "Who's The Boss?") and it has an AM radio circuit board, an electric clock motor, and a large and hot-running wire-wound resistor all wired in series with the incoming AC line. With its all-plastic case, the risk of shock is minimal, but still, it's a cheap and inefficient design. Nevertheless, this radio makes a successful AM Stereo conversion, with surprisingly good reception and audio bandwidth! I even tweaked it a little to tune the full Expanded Band. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Wed Jul 16 02:59:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96138 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 09:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 09:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.172) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 09:59:24 -0000 Received: from user-18.bbd06wfd.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.40.18] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19cj4F-0001qU-6I for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:59:23 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:58:00 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Holy CRL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man It may be a puppy but, 1, I hate losing at auctions (I have a surefire way of eating auction snipers) and 2. A new CRL AM Amigo processor is $3500 US equivalent here in the UK minus whatever discount I can get out of Andy L in Waterford Ireland or Preco, the UK distributors. Still, got me a matrix processor for $600.00! Is there anyone here that has 'personal' experience of these early And current models from CRL? Hope it works! -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Wed Jul 16 03:08:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11542 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 10:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 10:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.174) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 10:08:45 -0000 Received: from user-18.bbd06wfd.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.40.18] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19cjDI-00050m-QL for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:08:44 +0100 Message-ID: <3sggrMMyPSF$EwpC@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:07:46 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Holy CRL 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Kevin, I'm Stephen and Christine (NRG's) only distributor and sell many of their kits to the low power fraternity. I will of course compare their processor with the CRL. However I will not need the additional CRL boxes for my processor chain should I ever get my hands on another station as I'll use the CRL with a 9200 which I have here. Nice though NRG boards are the Optimod is kind of more flexible. I'll get me that KHJ/KRTH "Smokin Oldies" audio quality if it kills me. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From krichards@wor710.com Wed Jul 16 06:50:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12825 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 13:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 13:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 13:50:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2003 13:50:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:50:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Who's Running IBOC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F14694F.AF8521EB@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2191 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.130.158 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Hi Neal! Just repeating what I heard, I can't quite figure out why he would want HD right now since a. There aren't any HD radios, b.some of his signals are not the greatest, and lastly the expense of the whole thing....but, as soon as the radios hit the stores I would see no reason why he would not try it on one of the stations first, then the others. WPAT would be a good one for the initial test, since it has a stable array and good signal. Time will tell on this one....CBS may also turn it on, once the HD radios hit the stores. I think in the initial rollout we will see more FM stations than AM stations going HD. Our friends at ABC say HD is not in the picture now, I think they are waiting for radios like all of us... The other issue for Ibiquity is will anyone go all digital on AM once there is a proliferation of HD radios out there. They keep talking about some setup in Washington DC where a particular Spanish Broadcaster has a two marginal AM properties. Conversion of one of them to all digital would give great coverage of a good HD signal. I have always been amazed how far you get with so little wattage with the HD scheme, it's roughly about 10:1, for the same results as an analog signal, but I think this scheme is decades away realistically. Seems like years ago, when we were all waiting for radios with C- Quam, this time the wait seems really tiresome since it is not a compatible setup where grandfathered radios get some benefit from the conversion, other than the reduced analog bandwidth which can allow some help in being louder on the dial. The Powerside is one benefit we all got from Leonard when this whole stereo mess started. In this case no one can really hear HD until the radios get to the stores, it will be nice for some of the HD critics to get the new radios to test them and see how well the HD signal behaves. So we just all have to wait....what a bore. Have fun, Kerry.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > Hello Kerry > Not on WTTM he won't. at least for the time being. > I know some of our west coast stations,and 1 or 2 east coast stations. > Neal > From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jul 16 07:55:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6869 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 14:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 14:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 14:55:15 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.106] (d74-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.106]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h6GEtDD99987 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:55:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:55:12 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 784 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1058345953.443.22671.m12@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: "Kevin, The Furnace, Mesa, AZ" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Kevin, Your findings seem not to agree with those recordings which were made by the National Radio Club and the WTFDA. There is considerable buzz between the channels and a slight amount in the main signal, however it is minor, the noise in the signal. A while back with the KJZZ IBOC tests for SCA showed the tendency as noted by NRC and WTFDA. That said, the FM is far more doable than the AM IBOC with its sidebands. Too bad that a section of the band wasn't made for IBOC only. Kevin on 7/16/03 1:59, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com at amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:56:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Kevin T." > Subject: Re: Who's Running IBOC? > >> Ibiquity tells us the "WOR patch" running the analog audio at 6khz is >> now standard in the current software release. > > But yet, WOR itself isn't using this "patch"... I hear the same > sub-telephone-quality, highly distorted 5 kHz analog audio as ever from WOR > whenever the IBOC is active. It only switches to 6 kHz after sunset when > the IBOC is turned off. > > As for WNEW, they are evidence that IBOC on FM is far more "polite" than > IBOC on AM. In typical listening conditions, you don't hear the digital > sidebands, and the audio quality of the main analog signal doesn't appear > to be degraded. However, with a good car radio, it is mighty coincidental > that a listenable signal can be received on nearly every FM channel > *except* those immediately surrounding 102.7 WNEW (i.e. 102.5 and 102.9), > which bring forth a "blank channel" type of white noise hiss. From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jul 16 08:38:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88525 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 15:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 15:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 15:38:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2003 15:38:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:38:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: As Robin would say: "Holy CRL Systems Batman!" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3459 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > A full AM Stereo processing scheme from CRL would also include their > Stereo Preparation Processor (AGC?) and Spectral Energy Processor > (multi-band compressor). It all teams up to form a very nice- > sounding AM Stereo audio chain, such as heard on 1240 KEVA. > > And for those who don't have this kind of cash on hand, here's a > more affordable stereo matrix processor: > > http://www.nrgkitsfm.com/radiokits/stereo_limiter.htm > > It's designed for FM use, but it does have matrix processing, and > with its switchable pre-emphasis and 15 kHz "brick wall" filter it's > also very suitable for hi-fi AM Stereo broadcasting (at least in > cases where NRSC or other bandwidth regulations are not applicable, > such as for low-power Part 15 use). OK guys, please clue me in, what is a "matrix" processor? Or more specifically, what is the meaning of the term "matrix" processor as commonly used in this group? I already know of two different meanings of the term "matrix" processor. The first, which seems to be how it is typically used here, is basically a stereo "expander" circuit. The NRG is an example of a device containing a simple dynamic "matrix" type stereo "expander", although I believe industrial strength stereo "expanders" are more complex than simple "matrix" "expander" circuits, even dynamic ones like the NRG presumably uses, and contain additional elements like delay lines and such. The second type of "matrix" processor I am aware of is essentially a special type of limiter for AM stereo that takes advantage of the fact that in AM stereo, unlike in FM stereo, when the signal is predominantly in one channel, the level of the single channel audio can be boosted by up to a theoretical 6 dB. FCC regulations limit this single channel boost in AM stereo to something on the order of 75% equivalent monophonic modulation, or slightly more than a 3 dB boost over the single channel levels FM stereo can handle. This can be used to compensate for part of the 6 dB loss in level a listener with a monophonic radio would otherwise hear when the audio is in one channel only. In stereo radios it also allows a sound source to maintain a more constant level in the room, as it is panned from left to center to right. This type of AM stereo "matrix" limiter is totally inappropriate for use with FM stereo because the FM stereo modulation system can't handle it without exceeding the FCC modulation limits for FM. One of the vendors of AM audio processors has, or at least used to have, a good paper on their web site explaining this aspect of AM stereo audio processing. With respect to the NRG processor, while it may be very nicely engineered, and built, I think it is wanting in terms of a modern FM processor. An FM processor really needs to include some means of controlling the pre emphasis, such as multiband limiting, if it is to provide good sonics. This was recognized over 40 years ago, and it is surprising that someone would build an FM limiter today that doesn't deal with the pre emphasis problem. I think the NRG would have been a better compressor/limiter if it had left out the "dynamic stereo enhancement", and instead used the money and board space to incorporate some sort of pre emphasis control. So, where does the CRL processor that sold on eBay fit into this scheme? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jul 16 08:43:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95737 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 15:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 15:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 15:43:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2003 15:43:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:43:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 784 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 279 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin, The Furnace, Mesa, AZ" < amfmdx@f...> wrote: > > That said, the FM is far more doable than the AM IBOC with its > sidebands. I read somewhere that FM IBOC is ecologically unsound, while AM IBOC is environmentally friendly. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 09:25:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33249 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 16:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 16:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12803.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 16:25:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20030716162543.70718.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:25:43 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Who's On First, Running IBOC? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WPAT would be a good one for the initial test, since it has a stable > array and good signal. Multicultural's 1680 WTTM actually did test IBOC, but that was back during previous ownership. They had an STA to test it for at least a year, but whenever I tuned them in I never heard any "hash" around WTTM's signal, so they must have tested it only sporadically. > Time will tell on this one....CBS may also turn it on, once the HD > radios hit the stores. I think in the initial rollout we will see more > FM stations than AM stations going HD. That is already the case -- I'd say the ratio of FM IBOC vs. AM IBOC stations is at least 10:1, if not greater. Although nobody wants to admit it (especially the writers at Radio World), interest in AM IBOC has seriously diminished since the NRSC gave its digital audio quality a big thumbs-down. iBiquity claimed to be working feverishly on "resolving" that problem, and claimed they would've released the AM IBOC nighttime report about two months ago, but things have suddenly gone silent since then -- just like the news of IBOC receiver availability, with the latest claim of June 2003 being long since passed. > Seems like years ago, when we were all waiting for radios with C-Quam, > this time the wait seems really tiresome since it is not a compatible > setup where grandfathered radios get some benefit from the conversion, > other than the reduced analog bandwidth which can allow some help in > being louder on the dial. Sorry to burst your bubble, but chopping off half the audio response doesn't make a station louder, it just makes it more distorted and more difficult to understand, as high sibilants like the letter "F" begin to disappear completely, just like when speaking on a telephone. On even moderate-bandwidth radios, switching between WOR and WABC is like switching from a 1919 Victrola to a Technics SL-1200 MkII. As WOR's ratings continue to drop throughout its listening area, we all have to wonder if that just might be partly due to how poor the station sounds on the air -- both due to the use of IBOC and because of various other technical glitches, like how during the afternoon you can hear the Joy Browne show from the WOR Network bleeding over into the background of WOR's separate on-air programming. > The Powerside is one benefit we all got from Leonard when this whole > stereo mess started. As you well know, conversion to AM Stereo -- regardless of what system -- in the 1980s often entailed a significant upgrade in quality and fidelity for all listeners, even those using mono receivers, as the antiquated studio equipment, Audimax/Volumax processing chains, Telco landline STLs, and rusty old directional arrays were finally replaced with modern equipment that finally allowed AM radio to live up to its full potential. AM Stereo stations sounded better for mono listeners, not because they were in Stereo, but because they had the newest and best equipment. Today, IBOC is nothing more than a step *backwards* for AM listeners, as whatever upgrades are done are more than negated by the inherent limitations and flaws of the IBOC system itself. It's like the department stores I see selling DVD players together with *MONO* TV sets. A knee replacement doesn't do you any good if you shoot yourself in the foot! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 09:30:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86138 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 16:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 16:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12808.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 16:30:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20030716163040.82019.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:30:40 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: IBOC on FM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There is considerable buzz between the channels and a slight amount in > the main signal, however it is minor, the noise in the signal. Things have changed since those recordings were made. I heard the "buzz" myself from 102.7 WNEW's IBOC tests back around 1999, but this time IBOC on FM behaves differently. There's no loud, angry buzz on the adjacent channels. Instead, it's more of a plain white noise hiss, which also seems to be quite a bit lower in level than the buzz was. I don't know if WNEW is currently running their IBOC sidebands at a reduced power level, but that's at least my experience with their signal. By the way, just like 710 WOR, 102.7 WNEW is no longer promoting their "High Definition" or "HD Radio" signal on the air anymore. No indication is made of their IBOC/"HD Radio" status. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jul 16 09:47:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45679 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 16:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 16:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 16:47:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2003 16:47:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:47:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Who's On First, Running IBOC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030716162543.70718.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 697 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.91 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > As you well know, conversion to AM Stereo -- regardless of what > system -- in the 1980s often entailed a significant upgrade in > quality and fidelity for all listeners, even those using mono > receivers, as the antiquated studio equipment, Audimax/Volumax > processing chains, Telco landline STLs, and rusty old directional > arrays were finally replaced with modern equipment that finally > allowed AM radio to live up to its full potential. You condemned me when I said the consensus view in the group seemed to be that "Telco landline STLs" were garbage, but now even you seem to have taken up the cry. John From krichards@wor710.com Wed Jul 16 09:48:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4499 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 16:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 16:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 16:47:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2003 16:47:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:47:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Who's On First, Running IBOC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030716162543.70718.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3991 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.130.158 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Again,we see statements from an uninfiormed person AKA Kevin, who makes statements that defy reality. Seems funny he knows so much about HD except anything that is in fact reality....and again he somehow thinks C-Quam is here to stay.....what a joke. It really is a shame you are so ill informed. Kerry.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > WPAT would be a good one for the initial test, since it has a stable > > array and good signal. > > Multicultural's 1680 WTTM actually did test IBOC, but that was back during > previous ownership. They had an STA to test it for at least a year, but > whenever I tuned them in I never heard any "hash" around WTTM's signal, so > they must have tested it only sporadically. > > > Time will tell on this one....CBS may also turn it on, once the HD > > radios hit the stores. I think in the initial rollout we will see more > > FM stations than AM stations going HD. > > That is already the case -- I'd say the ratio of FM IBOC vs. AM IBOC > stations is at least 10:1, if not greater. Although nobody wants to admit > it (especially the writers at Radio World), interest in AM IBOC has > seriously diminished since the NRSC gave its digital audio quality a big > thumbs-down. iBiquity claimed to be working feverishly on "resolving" that > problem, and claimed they would've released the AM IBOC nighttime report > about two months ago, but things have suddenly gone silent since then -- > just like the news of IBOC receiver availability, with the latest claim of > June 2003 being long since passed. > > > Seems like years ago, when we were all waiting for radios with C- Quam, > > this time the wait seems really tiresome since it is not a compatible > > setup where grandfathered radios get some benefit from the conversion, > > other than the reduced analog bandwidth which can allow some help in > > being louder on the dial. > > Sorry to burst your bubble, but chopping off half the audio response > doesn't make a station louder, it just makes it more distorted and more > difficult to understand, as high sibilants like the letter "F" begin to > disappear completely, just like when speaking on a telephone. On even > moderate-bandwidth radios, switching between WOR and WABC is like switching > from a 1919 Victrola to a Technics SL-1200 MkII. As WOR's ratings continue > to drop throughout its listening area, we all have to wonder if that just > might be partly due to how poor the station sounds on the air -- both due > to the use of IBOC and because of various other technical glitches, like > how during the afternoon you can hear the Joy Browne show from the WOR > Network bleeding over into the background of WOR's separate on-air > programming. > > > The Powerside is one benefit we all got from Leonard when this whole > > stereo mess started. > > As you well know, conversion to AM Stereo -- regardless of what system -- > in the 1980s often entailed a significant upgrade in quality and fidelity > for all listeners, even those using mono receivers, as the antiquated > studio equipment, Audimax/Volumax processing chains, Telco landline STLs, > and rusty old directional arrays were finally replaced with modern > equipment that finally allowed AM radio to live up to its full potential. > AM Stereo stations sounded better for mono listeners, not because they were > in Stereo, but because they had the newest and best equipment. > > Today, IBOC is nothing more than a step *backwards* for AM listeners, as > whatever upgrades are done are more than negated by the inherent > limitations and flaws of the IBOC system itself. It's like the department > stores I see selling DVD players together with *MONO* TV sets. A knee > replacement doesn't do you any good if you shoot yourself in the foot! > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 09:50:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10826 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 16:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 16:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12802.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 16:50:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20030716165026.4979.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:50:26 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Matrix processing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > OK guys, please clue me in, what is a "matrix" processor? Or more > specifically, what is the meaning of the term "matrix" processor as > commonly used in this group? Matrix processing simply refers to processing the L+R and L-R audio components, rather than the individual Left and Right channels, as Discrete processing does. This can be used for different reasons. On AM Stereo, matrix processing is used to prevent the dreaded "loss of loudness" for mono listeners during cases of large stereo separation. For example, audio in the Left or Right channel only (think of the piano intro of "Year Of The Cat") would normally provide only 50% maximum loudness for mono listeners, since 50% L + 50% R = 100% L+R (mono sum). However, since with AM Stereo the L+R and L-R components are separate entities and may both be fully modulated simultaneously, matrix processing effectively makes up for that difference, so that single-channel audio appears no quieter for mono listeners than if they were listening to a plain mono station. The only consequence is that people who *are* listening in Stereo may hear that single-channel audio up to 6 dB louder than normal. Another side effect is that it provides a type of "expanded Stereo" effect, where parts of the stereo image are pushed further towards the Left and Right extremes. For example, a song with the lead singer in the center and a guitar halfway between left and center would have the guitar pushed further towards the left channel, while the singer would remain in the center. On FM, the inter-dependency between the Left and Right channels is retained, so you can't effectively "cheat" on the 50% L + 50% R = 100% L+R equation, like the way AM Stereo can. As long as you don't exceed the modulation limits, matrix processing can still be used with FM Stereo, but the only real benefit will be the "expanded Stereo" effect discussed above. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 10:41:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97805 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 17:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 17:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12804.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 17:41:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20030716174101.84979.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:41:01 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Telco STLs To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You condemned me when I said the consensus view in the group seemed to > be that "Telco landline STLs" were garbage, but now even you seem to > have taken up the cry. You flatter yourself, John. At no point in our discussion were we talking about "Telco landline STLs". We were only talking about the Realistic TM-152 receiver. But since you brought it up now, I will say that landline STLs are mighty fine IF DONE PROPERLY. An equalized 15 kHz line will provide excellent audio quality and reliability, and countless AM and FM stations continue to use them today. However, what I was referring to are the old 5 kHz landlines, which imposed a large restriction in quality to those stations who were using them. And this wasn't just limited to AM -- one *FM* station in my area (90.5 WVPH in Piscataway, NJ) was using a 5 kHz landline STL as recently as the late 1990s. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 11:05:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31680 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 18:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 18:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12805.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 18:05:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20030716180459.33947.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:04:59 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Who's On First, Running IBOC? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Again,we see statements from an uninfiormed person AKA Kevin, who > makes statements that defy reality. And again, we see statements from a so-called know-it-all, AKA Kerry, who makes claims about the validity of my statements, but then fails to back up these claims with any real proof, or even so much as a specific instance where I said anything that is not correct. > Seems funny he knows so much about HD except anything that is in fact > reality....and again he somehow thinks C-Quam is here to stay.....what a > joke. No, the "joke" here is the way you and Mr. Ray have continued to behave yourselves in this Forum. You both feel free to express your opinions and your agenda at will, but when anybody challenges this, the civility breaks down almost immediately. Need I bring up the time when Mr. Ray threatened legal action against me, simply for posting an audio recording of WOR's signal? > It really is a shame you are so ill informed. Again, if you believe that, please TELL ME WHERE AND WHY I AM MISTAKEN. I am always willing to recognize my mistakes and I always strive to disseminate the correct information and facts here. But if you fail to substantiate your claims, then they are worthless to me, and I will continue to express myself unless I am conclusively proven to be in error. What I say is borne out of real-world experience, using real radios and real ears. With the IBOC in use, WOR's audio is some of the worst I've ever heard on the radio, and that's not even taking into consideration the IBOC hiss and "hash". You may pride yourself in driving your Optimud up the wall, but it no doubt drives many of your listeners up the wall as well, and that may very well be a factor in how WOR's ratings have been in decline -- at this point, the use of IBOC is of *no* benefit to WOR's listeners, and were it not for whatever contracts that were signed with iBiquity, I'm sure WOR's management would have dumped it long ago. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From brian60420@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 12:16:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41010 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 19:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 19:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80602.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 19:16:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20030716191606.40441.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.10.65.130] by web80602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:16:06 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Disney NYC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Robbins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Radio Disney is Stereo in Orland Park/ Chicago all day long. 1300 kHz. wa2fnq wrote:This is true. And this is the story from the WQEW engineers. I e- mailed Radio Disney myself and got no response. Maybe they need to be prodded some more but most likely they don't care?? Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: > Sorry to burst your bubbles about Radio Disney and AM Stereo, But > when Radio Disney came to Long Island's AM Stereo 740, they dropped > the C-Quam Stereo. Radio disney has since left WGSM 740, but the > Mono Remains. > > WGSM went on to simulcast another Mono Standards station hre on the > Island, before it was sold off to Korean broadcasters. It had been > hoped that the Koreans would have turned the stereo back on, because > the other stastion to the west side of the city in north Jersey was > operating in stereo. That was about 2 and a half years ago and WGSM > is still Mono, and still Korean. And still relaying 1430. > > The Reason Disney Left our 740 WGSM was because they movet to the > great big AM Stere0 1560 WQEW New York City. WQEW was absolutely THE > BEST sounding AM Stereo Station I ever Heard, playing the best in Pop > Standards fot the NYC Tri-State Area. As soon as Disney went on the > air, that was it for the C-Quam. I have spoken directly to the > engineers from New York Times and WQXR, and they would prefer it to > be stereo, bu the guys from Disney said, "Kids don't care about > stereo." And so the Equipment sits there useless. And WQEW AM 1560 > continues to Broadcast Radio Disney to Americas Number One Radio > Market in MONO. > > So that is two cases here in New York where Radio Disney Killed the C- > Quam AM Stereo. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jul 16 13:47:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92779 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 20:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 20:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 20:47:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2003 20:47:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:47:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Matrix processing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030716165026.4979.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 926 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Kevin, thanks for regurgitating my post, without even answering my question, which was what do people on this group generally mean when they talk about "matrix processing", without being specific as to what sort of "matrix" processing it is that they are talking about? You even introduced one of your factual errors in your rewrite of my post, indicating that you don't understand the FCC rules as they apply to AM stereo processing. You said "that people who *are* listening in Stereo may hear that single-channel audio up to 6 dB louder than normal." Ignoring the issue that the meaning of the word "normal" is controversial in this context, what you say is not in accordance with the FCC rules for AM stereo broadcasting, where only a 3.5 dB increase in single channel modulation is permitted, not the 6 dB you imply. You are probably thinking in terms of your part 15 station where anything goes. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Jul 16 13:52:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16079 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 20:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 20:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 20:52:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2003 20:51:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:51:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Telco STLs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030716174101.84979.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1651 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > You condemned me when I said the consensus view in the group > > seemed to be that "Telco landline STLs" were garbage, but now > > even you seem to have taken up the cry. > > You flatter yourself, John. At no point in our discussion were > we talking about "Telco landline STLs". We were only talking about > the Realistic TM-152 receiver. It's maybe not too surprising that you don't have much of a grip on what others are saying in messages posted to your group, but it is amazing to me that you don't even seem to be able to keep track of what you yourself have said. Check out message #11081, subject: "Here he goes again...", and the two previous messages in the thread, #11075, and #11070, the topic was nothing other than Telco STLs. The subject "Here he goes again..." refers back to message #11010, where you take me to task for my use of the term "consensus" in message #11009. > But since you brought it up now, I will say that landline > STLs are mighty fine IF DONE PROPERLY. An equalized 15 kHz line > will provide excellent audio quality and reliability, and countless > AM and FM stations continue to use them today. Thank you for clarifying your position on this. > However, what I was referring to are the old 5 kHz landlines, which > imposed a large restriction in quality to those stations who were > using them. I think this is more indicative of the sorry economic state of broadcasting today, as 8 kHz lines used to be more typical for AM "Telco STLs", you are probably thinking of the old cross country network lines. John From bjackson@indyradio.com Wed Jul 16 13:54:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98632 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 20:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 20:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 20:54:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2003 20:54:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:54:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Matrix processing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 308 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > Kevin, thanks for regurgitating my post, without even answering my > question, John, Why are you so caustic here? I've seen your posts in the rec.antiques.radio+phono newsgroup, and you seem so much nicer over there... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 15:24:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60308 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 22:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 22:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 22:24:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2003 22:24:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:24:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: A reminder to Mr. Richards Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 697 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Kerry, Personal attacks will not be tolerated in this Forum. Consider this to be your first and only warning. As much as The AM Stereo Forum likes to foster the concept of free speech, some ground rules are necessary to ensure its continued success, and any member who repeatedly disrespects these basic rules of civility will have his or her membership terminated. Heated discussions and debates are one thing; any long-time member knows that we've seen plenty of them in this Forum. But personal attacks and childish name-calling are not acceptable, and frankly, as an adult with an accomplished professional career, you should know better. Kevin Tekel Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 15:39:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76728 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 22:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 22:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 22:39:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2003 22:39:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:39:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Matrix processing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1919 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kevin, thanks for regurgitating my post, without even answering my > question, which was what do people on this group generally mean > when they talk about "matrix processing", without being specific as > to what sort of "matrix" processing it is that they are talking > about? Logic would dictate that they're talking about the matrix processing provided by commercial AM Stereo audio processors, such as the CRL Stereo Matrix Processor, CRL Amigo AM, or Orban Optimod 9100 series. > Ignoring the issue that the meaning of the word "normal" is > controversial in this context, How? "Normal" simply refers to the case of discrete-channel (non-matrix) audio processing. > what you say is not in accordance with the FCC rules for AM stereo > broadcasting, where only a 3.5 dB increase in single channel > modulation is permitted, not the 6 dB you imply. The bottom line is that it's dependant on how the station's audio processing is set up. In the case of single-channel audio, matrix processing is *capable* of compensating for the whole 50% (6 dB) difference in loudness for mono listeners, although the actual level of this effect is certainly subject to being adjusted by the station's engineer. In fact, some AM Stereo stations avoid the scenario entirely, by configuring their audio processor to blend single-channel audio towards the center, thereby allowing the full 6 dB loudness difference to be compensated without exceeding FCC rules, with the consequence being a loss of stereo separation for AM Stereo listeners. News/Talk and contemporary music stations are more likely to take this approach, because the instances of true single-channel audio are fairly rare. > You are probably thinking in terms of your part 15 station where > anything goes. I do not currently operate a Part 15 station on the AM band, nor have I mentioned anything to that effect in this discussion. From rwagoner1@mac.com Wed Jul 16 15:41:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83852 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 22:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 22:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 22:41:04 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030716224100.JVKT6930.fed1mtao06.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:41:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:41:02 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A reminder to Mr. Richards Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <93EE6A44-B7DE-11D7-8F19-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Here we go again ... On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 03:24 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > Kerry, > > Personal attacks will not be tolerated in this Forum. Consider this > to be your first and only warning. From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Jul 16 16:08:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52606 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 23:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 23:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 23:08:02 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com ([192.85.216.78]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6GN81I03042 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:08:01 +1000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6GN7xE24425 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:07:59 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6GN7wb24414 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:07:58 +1000 (EST) Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:07:58 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F470C0@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} A reminder to Mr. Richards Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:07:57 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Kevin, I think perhaps you should take up the offer to meet with Tom and Kerry to tour their facilities - I'm sure this would go a long way to sort out the differences of opinion you have on IBOC and C-QUAM. While Kerry's post was a addressed to you personally, he does have a point in that naturally as a qualified engineer who actually has an installed IBOC exciter running on his station, he deserves to be given a fair go - especially with the technical aspects of the setup. Have you ever thought of studying to become a broadcast engineer? This would add weight to the credibility of your contributions and could help in furthering AM Stereo! Cheers, Matt From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 16:49:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23452 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 23:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2003 23:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 23:49:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2003 23:49:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:49:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Richards Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <93EE6A44-B7DE-11D7-8F19-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 386 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Here we go again ... Well, do you favor a group in which personal attacks are allowed to flow freely? I don't, and the buck has to stop somewhere. Being an engineer at a 50,000-watt New York City station isn't an excuse to allow personal attacks and immature name-calling. Even if you're President Bush or the Queen of England, the same basic rules apply to everybody here. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 17:03:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6262 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 00:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 00:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 00:03:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2003 00:03:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:03:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Richards Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F470C0@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 635 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > While Kerry's post was a addressed to you personally, he does have > a point in that naturally as a qualified engineer who actually has > an installed IBOC exciter running on his station, he deserves to be > given a fair go - especially with the technical aspects of the > setup. I am not challenging Mr. Richard's engineering expertise. I'm challenging the fact that he has made sweeping allegations about my credibility, despite the fact that he has yet to prove me wrong about anything I have said. That is nothing more than libel, which is simply unacceptable, regardless of how many pages long Mr. Richards' resume is. From oscar@globility.com Wed Jul 16 17:37:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47029 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 00:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 00:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 00:37:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2003 00:37:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:37:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Richards Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1571 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Here we go again ... > > Well, do you favor a group in which personal attacks are allowed to > flow freely? I don't, and the buck has to stop somewhere. Being an > engineer at a 50,000-watt New York City station isn't an excuse to > allow personal attacks and immature name-calling. Even if you're > President Bush or the Queen of England, the same basic rules apply to > everybody here. It seems that when anyone on this forum speaks up, someone seems compelled to speak down to them. I don't see WOR as the tail wagging the dog here. HD-Radio has to make in more markets than just the 'big apple'. Although as ole blues used to sing "If you can make it there, you'll make it anywhere ...." I will say Tom and Kerry are putting their heart and soul into making HD-radio work. More power to them. They're doing what Buckley Broadcasting hired them to do. Although I don't see why they even care what is being said about WOR on this forum, especially by a person whose opinion they have little regard. IMHO, you should be able to complain about the interference on a given frequency all you want, Kevin. That's your right. Whether it's a subject for this forum should also be part of the debate. But, as far as the extraneous stuff is concerned, the score card looks pretty even to me. As the "sysop" perhaps you might determine if, instead of you're warming the welcome mat for some, you're not setting out a bed of coals for others. My nickel's worth. M.S. From stodd@vippn.com Wed Jul 16 18:24:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5189 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 01:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 01:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 01:24:51 -0000 Message-ID: <008301c34c02$6b08f2e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Zenith "Long Distance" radio Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:07:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Hey, I've got one too! I need to rebuild the filter cap on mine. Also have a slightly older Zenith set with the same bands which used almost all octal tubes. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" > I have a late 1940s Zenith 7H820. This radio has both the 42-48 and > 88-108 MHz FM bands in addition to AM. From stodd@vippn.com Wed Jul 16 18:24:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85240 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 01:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 01:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 01:24:54 -0000 Message-ID: <008401c34c02$6c04b800$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030716191606.40441.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Disney NYC Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:19:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thanks for the report. That was one of the stations in the ill-fated Catholic Family Radio network, that doubtless turned the stereo off. Nice to see the current owners resurrected it. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Robbins" > Radio Disney is Stereo in Orland Park/ Chicago all day long. 1300 kHz. From rwagoner1@mac.com Wed Jul 16 18:25:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79824 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 01:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 01:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 01:25:01 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030717012500.LCAA24536.fed1mtao02.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:25:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:25:00 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A reminder to Mr. Richards Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7BACCBA2-B7F5-11D7-8F19-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner That was in reference to both sides, not just yours. It seems things go well for a while, then someone (not necessarily you) takes a swipe at WOR, WOR responds -- often positively, sometimes negatively, and another pissing match begins. Every time, it takes down the forum, until it settles and things can get productive again. If you are right, you don't need to insult. If HD is bad, it will show itself to be bad without having to insult anyone. If CQuam makes a comeback, it will be because people demand it. If AM radio continues to program nothing but talk and sports, you might as well forget about HD, CQuam or anything else: it won't make a difference either way. Stereo crap is still ... crap. Richard Wagoner On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 04:49 PM, Kevin T. wrote: >> Here we go again ... > > Well, do you favor a group in which personal attacks are allowed to > flow freely? I don't, and the buck has to stop somewhere. 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Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 19:13:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57006 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 02:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 02:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 02:13:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2003 02:13:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:13:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: "Hash" Alert: 930 WPAT now using IBOC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5254 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Sometimes, rumors do come true. This afternoon, on my car radio I noticed that 930 WPAT's audio seemed quieter and duller than usual, and the radio did not pop into AM Stereo mode. A check of the adjacent channels confirmed my immediate suspicion: during daytime hours at least, New Jersey's longest-running AM Stereo station is now the first in the state to begin testing iBiquity's IBOC/"HD Radio" digital AM system -- Multicultural Broadcasting's 930 WPAT, licensed to Paterson, NJ, with its transmitter in Clifton, NJ (right along the Garden State Parkway near Exit 153), and its studios at 449 Broadway in New York City. The neighboring stations most likely to be affected by WPAT's use of IBOC include: 910 WLAT New Britain, CT 910 WRKL New City, NY 920 WGHQ Kingston, NY 920 WPHY Trenton, NJ 940 WADV Lebanon, PA (AM Stereo) 940 WINE Brookfield, CT 950 WPEN Philadelphia, PA (AM Stereo) 950 WHVW Hyde Park, NY Today, I heard for myself the effect WPAT's IBOC had upon 910 WRKL, 920 WPHY, and 950 WPEN. All normally have signals that are a bit weak but still fully listenable, especially with the help of a tuned loop antenna (I use the Terk "AM Advantage"). However, with WPAT's IBOC in action, 920 WPHY was almost completely covered up by a strong hissing "hash", leaving them marginally intelligible at best. WPAT's and WPHY's 0.5 mV/m coverage contours overlap over a significant portion of central New Jersey -- exactly where I am. In fact, both WPAT and WPHY are almost the same distance away from my home. With its lower-power signal, WPHY is perhaps 70% the strength of WPAT's signal, however, any decently selective receiver -- especially a good car radio -- can provide a perfectly listenable signal from both stations -- *except* when WPAT is transmitting IBOC, in which case nobody could stand listening to WPHY, because of all the "hash" interference. Less severe, although still present is the second-adjacent channel interference to 910 WRKL and 950 WPEN, with 930 WPAT's IBOC causing a constant squealing hiss noise that any receiver with greater than 5 kHz of audio bandwidth will reproduce. Both WRKL and WPEN remain clear and listenable, although the IBOC hiss is definitely annoying and would be sufficient to cause many listeners to turn away from these stations. I can also sometimes catch distant daytime reception of 940 WADV, in AM Stereo, but of course with 930 WPAT's IBOC in use, that was a lost cause, with nothing but white noise to be heard upon 940 kHz, regardless of how sensitive and selective the radio I use is. I made some recordings from my trusty Sony SRF-A100 to demonstrate this. At 4:00 PM, I first caught the hourly ID from 930 WPAT, and then performed a quick band-scan, first tuning in hash-plagued 920 WPHY, then 910 WRKL (catching their own ID, which also mentions their simulcast on 1580 WLIM), then back up the dial, pausing briefly at 920 WPHY again before stopping at 930 WPAT for a while, before continuing on to 950 WPEN and then finally up to 970 WWDJ. As each of these stations came into tune, I adjusted my Terk antenna for best possible reception. You can hear me adjusting the Terk's tuning knob, which slightly changes the reception bandwidth and thus the amount of "hash"/"hiss" inflicted by WPAT's IBOC sidebands. This recording was made with the Sony in wide-bandwidth C-Quam mode. You may download and listen to it from this link: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wpatiboc.mp3 To borrow a slogan from Fox News, "I report, you decide". I did not attempt to skew the results of this recording for or against WPAT, nor did I doctor it up in any way, except to add a 10 kHz whistle filter. You may hear a large change in loudness between the various stations, but that's exactly how it came out of my radio; I did not touch the volume control throughout this band-scan. And I know Mr. Richards may disagree, but now with IBOC in use, 930 WPAT sounds significantly *quieter* than when they were broadcasting a C-Quam AM Stereo signal, as if they deliberately turned the modulation down. They also seem to be using little to no treble pre- emphasis, as even within the 5 kHz bandwidth of their analog audio, there is little crispness or clarity to be heard, although at least it is undistorted, unlike WOR's analog audio. Also, I checked and all of Multicultural's AM signals are status quo. Hopefully 1430 WNSW will not try to use IBOC, as 1450 WCTC is only 19 miles away from WNSW's transmitter, and the interference inflicted upon WCTC's signal would be simply intolerable. I don't think Greater Media will be too happy about what is happening to 950 WPEN's signal either, and I wouldn't be surprised if Nassau Broadcasting files a complaint because of how WPAT's IBOC is seriously harming reception of 920 WPHY. For better or worse, one thing is for sure -- 930 WPAT is very good test case to see how an IBOC signal behaves itself within a crowded band, with many neighboring stations to deal with. It's not a pretty scenario, but *somebody's* got to get some conclusive results down in black and white, so that a better-informed decision about the future of the AM radio band can be made. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 19:27:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2377 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 02:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 02:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 02:27:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2003 02:27:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:27:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Telco STLs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1053 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The subject "Here he goes again..." refers back to message #11010, > where you take me to task for my use of the term "consensus" in > message #11009. And rightfully so, because I simply don't recall any such "consensus" about Telco landline STLs and how they "really degraded AM STEREO performance", as you said. If you think I am mistaken, you are free to search through the message archives and demonstrate otherwise. > I think this is more indicative of the sorry economic state of > broadcasting today, as 8 kHz lines used to be more typical for AM > "Telco STLs", you are probably thinking of the old cross country > network lines. I was going by Heathkit's write-up for the BC-1A hi-fi AM tuner (circa 1958), which speaks at length at how the tuner provides its own pre-emphasis "to compensate for station rolloff above 5 kc". It also mentions that "In rare cases, full bandwidth AM to 15 kc will be found and the program material in this case can almost be considered 'hi-fi' except for the necessarily limited dynamic range." From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 19:32:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51417 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 02:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 02:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 02:32:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2003 02:32:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:32:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 930 WPAT's IBOC: other listener reports Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1133 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the New York Radio Message Board..... ____________________________________________________________________ WPAT-am IBOC Posted by Bob Seeburg on July 16, 2003 at 20:48:40: As of 2:pm this afternoon WPAT-am had IBOC hash in its sidebands, limited telephone-like audio and was some 5 db lower in audio level. ____________________________________________________________________ Posted by Walt on July 16, 2003 at 21:23:22: In Reply to: WPAT-am IBOC posted by Bob Seeburg on July 16, 2003 at 20:48:40 Does this digital hash come and go because the engineers are experimenting or for some other reason? I was listening to WOR last Thursday in the car around 5:30 PM and don't recall ever hearing it that loud before. Switching between WOR and WABC, whose signals are usually comparable here in Southern CT, was like A/B'ing a CD vs. a very noisy cassette, with WOR sounding like the cassette. It was actually difficult to listen to. I was only aware of the cause from reading this board. Other listeners may assume they're driving out of range. ____________________________________________________________________ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 21:36:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77747 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 04:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 04:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 04:36:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2003 04:36:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 04:36:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Second WPAT IBOC bandscan Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 622 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics A second band-scan of WPAT's IBOC signal is now available for download. This one was recorded Wednesday afternoon from an MCS 3050 tuner, which is a more selective and sensitive receiver than the Sony. Once again I used my Terk AM Advantage antenna, adjusting it as each station was tuned in. The band-scan starts out with 900 WURD, then goes up the dial, featuring 910 WRKL, 920 WPHY, 930 WPAT, WPAT's IBOC "hash" on 940 kHz, and then 950 WPEN (in AM Stereo). Then, it goes back down the dial, stopping at each station until I reached WURD at 900 kHz again: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wpatscn2.mp3 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 00:19:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89486 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 07:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 07:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 07:19:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2003 07:19:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 07:19:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: MetroSound AM Stereo converter on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 273 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is a MetroSound AMS 400 multi-system AM Stereo converter on eBay. It does not appear to be one that was sold through Chris Cuff. Seller is in Australia, and will ship worldwide. Five days left to go: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3035962978 From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Jul 17 07:24:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13654 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 14:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 14:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.62) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 14:24:00 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-002scfairp0490.dialsprint.net ([63.184.201.236] helo=earthlink.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19d9fr-0000kV-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 07:24:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3F16B186.3121712D@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:24:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} MetroSound AM Stereo converter on eBay References: From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Metrosound had great separation and great sound. It suffered a little from drift, but really sounded great. Highly recommended! Dick W. "Kevin T." wrote: > This is a MetroSound AMS 400 multi-system AM Stereo converter on > eBay. It does not appear to be one that was sold through Chris Cuff. > Seller is in Australia, and will ship worldwide. Five days left to > go: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3035962978 > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Jul 17 07:41:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27936 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 14:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 14:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 14:41:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2003 14:41:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:41:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Matrix processing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3314 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Logic would dictate that they're talking about the matrix processing > provided by commercial AM Stereo audio processors, such as the CRL > Stereo Matrix Processor, CRL Amigo AM, or Orban Optimod 9100 series. OK, so far so good, but keep in mind that my knowledge of broadcast technology, and equipment, is rather dated, so I don't have a clue as to which of the two types of "matrix" processing we are talking about, is done by each of the boxes you list. Could you tell me which type of "matrix" processing, each box you listed above does, or if it does both types. > > Ignoring the issue that the meaning of the word "normal" is > > controversial in this context, > > How? "Normal" simply refers to the case of discrete-channel > (non-matrix) audio processing. It's not that easy, as pervious discussions right here in this group have shown, there seems to be an element of opinion involved. I don't really have any desire to stick my toe in those waters again, but if we want to get any insight into what "normal", we must first consider what the transmitted signal parameters must be for a voice to be reproduced with a constant loudness in the room, as it is panned from the left, to the center, and finally to the right. The signal parameters required will probably be different depending of weather the listener is using a stereo, or a monophonic radio. > > what you say is not in accordance with the FCC rules for AM stereo > > broadcasting, where only a 3.5 dB increase in single channel > > modulation is permitted, not the 6 dB you imply. > > The bottom line is that it's dependant on how the station's audio > processing is set up. In the case of single-channel audio, matrix > processing is *capable* of compensating for the whole 50% (6 dB) > difference in loudness for mono listeners, although the actual level > of this effect is certainly subject to being adjusted by the > station's engineer. My point was, and is, that while with AM stereo it is theoretically possible to increase the level of a single channel signal by 6 dB, the bottom line actually is that it is a violation of the FCC rules for the station, or its engineer, to set the audio processing to do this. The FCC rules restrict the increase in the maximum single channel level to no more than 3.5 dB > In fact, some AM Stereo stations avoid the scenario entirely, by > configuring their audio processor to blend single-channel audio > towards the center, thereby allowing the full 6 dB loudness > difference to be compensated without exceeding FCC rules, with the > consequence being a loss of stereo separation for AM Stereo > listeners. Didn't this used to be called monophonic broadcasting? > > You are probably thinking in terms of your part 15 station where > > anything goes. > > I do not currently operate a Part 15 station on the AM band, nor > have I mentioned anything to that effect in this discussion. I have noticed that you have a very "Clintonesque" way of talking. Of course I have no way of knowing if you are currently operating your Part 15 station, but you have previously stated in this group that you had a Part 15 station, why the restriction to "this discussion"? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Jul 17 07:49:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12914 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 14:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 14:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 14:49:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2003 14:49:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:49:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Telco STLs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1931 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > The subject "Here he goes again..." refers back to message #11010, > > where you take me to task for my use of the term "consensus" in > > message #11009. > > And rightfully so, because I simply don't recall any such > "consensus" about Telco landline STLs and how they "really degraded > AM STEREO performance", as you said. If you think I am mistaken, > you are free to search through the message archives and demonstrate > otherwise. No, you are trying to change the subject, we have previously discussed the "consensus" issue. The point is you have now made the claim that in the TM-152 thread "At no point in our discussion were we talking about 'Telco landline STLs'", I have simply pointed out that we did discuss "Telco landline STLs", and listed the relevant message numbers to prove it. > > I think this is more indicative of the sorry economic state of > > broadcasting today, as 8 kHz lines used to be more typical for AM > > "Telco STLs", you are probably thinking of the old cross country > > network lines. > > I was going by Heathkit's write-up for the BC-1A hi-fi AM tuner > (circa 1958), which speaks at length at how the tuner provides its > own pre-emphasis "to compensate for station rolloff above 5 kc". It > also mentions that "In rare cases, full bandwidth AM to 15 kc will > be found and the program material in this case can almost be > considered 'hi-fi' except for the necessarily limited dynamic > range." The curve that Heath shows in the BC-1A manual as the "Response of Typical AM Station", is only about 3 dB down at 8 kHz, probably better than you would get from an equalized 5 kHz "Telco landline STL", and closer to the overall response you might expect from a station using an 8 kHz "Telco landline STL". Although this all depends on the details of the equalizer being used. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 08:59:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20355 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 15:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 15:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 15:59:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2003 15:59:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:59:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Matrix processing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1965 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Could you tell me which type of "matrix" processing, each box you > listed above does, or if it does both types. Like I said in my first reply, "matrix" processing (which you always seem to put in quotes, as if you question the legitimacy of the term?) simply refers to processing the L+R and L-R components of the stereo audio image, rather than the individual Left and Right channels. Period. Full stop. End of story! Matrix processing can be used for different PURPOSES, but it is what it is, and the basic definition and technique doesn't change. > if we want to get any insight into what "normal", we must first > consider what the transmitted signal parameters must be for a voice > to be reproduced with a constant loudness in the room, as it is > panned from the left, to the center, and finally to the right. You're getting in over your head. In this case, "normal" simply refers to discrete-channel (L & R) processing, as opposed to matrix processing (L+R & L-R), as you yourself refer to below.... > My point was, and is, that while with AM stereo it is theoretically > possible to increase the level of a single channel signal by 6 dB, ...that would be 6 dB above the level provided by "normal" discrete- channel processing. > The FCC rules restrict the increase in the maximum single channel > level to no more than 3.5 dB AM Stereo isn't only used in the USA, and other countries may have other specifications concering their use of AM Stereo, or even none at all. > Didn't this used to be called monophonic broadcasting? Did you fail to comprehend what I described, or are you just throwing out flame bait? Plenty of *FM* stations blend single-channel audio to the center, such as by using the Howe Phase Chaser. Does that mean they're broadcasting in "mono"? > I have noticed that you have a very "Clintonesque" way of talking. Well, as opposed to a "Bushesque" way of talking, I'll take that as a compliment. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 10:22:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42941 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 17:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 17:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 17:22:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2003 17:22:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:22:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The People vs. Michael Powell, 1-0 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 212 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Yesterday, the House Appropriations Committee in Congress voted 40-25 against Michael Powell and Big Corporate Media, concerning Powell's deregulation of the media ownership rules. *squeek!* Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 10:37:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66325 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 17:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 17:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12801.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 17:37:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20030717173753.54626.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:37:53 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Telco STLs To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The curve that Heath shows in the BC-1A manual as the "Response of > Typical AM Station", is only about 3 dB down at 8 kHz, probably better > than you would get from an equalized 5 kHz "Telco landline STL", and > closer to the overall response you might expect from a station using > an 8 kHz "Telco landline STL". More common today is the 7 kHz ISDN speech codec, typically used for network news and syndicated traffic reports. Live remotes and sporting events are typically run over a regular phone line, either with a digital encoder that provides about 6 kHz's worth of audio with marginally acceptable quality, or just Plain Old Telephone Service (POTS). Once, due to some technical fault, Joey Reynolds on WOR had to phone in his own radio show, even though he was sitting in WOR's studio as normal. But even worse are many of the brokered programs on "Ethnic" stations like 930 WPAT, often delivered through a telephone connection with a loud multiple-harmonic background hum. And IBOC will make that sound better? I don't think so.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Jul 17 11:04:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23100 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 18:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 18:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 18:04:12 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.169] (d137-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.169]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h6HI4AD68684 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:04:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:04:04 -0700 Subject: Ibiquity fires leaders! HOORAY! To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 From: "Kevin, The Furnace, Mesa, AZ" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am sure this has nothing to do with the crappy way IBAC sounds, the stupid decision to use PAC over AAC, the destruction of the AM BCB, the haemmorhaging of money for years on a failed product and the like. Kevin Date posted: 2003-07-16 Ibiquity Lays Off Glynn Walden, Two Others Ibiquity Digital Corp. has let go three of its top managers, including the heads of its technical teams in Columbia, Md., sources say. Laid off are E. Glynn Walden, vice president of broadcast engineering; Rick Martinson, vice president of program management; and Gerald Marcovsky, senior legal advisor. The changes, reportedly made for cost reasons, are effective at the end of the month. All have been involved with IBOC development for several years. Walden has been the "face" of digital radio for many in the United States radio industry; he has been involved in the technical development of in-band, on-channel technology since 1989 and was the main liaison between Ibiquity and broadcasters, said sources. Martinson was appointed director of digital radio broadcast development in 1996. Marcovsky joined the company in 1998. Ibiquity had no comment other than to say it continues to work on the PAC codec problem raised earlier by the NRSC. Here is biographical information on the three from the Ibiquity Web site: E. Glynn Walden, Vice President, Broadcast Engineering: Glynn Walden had been vice president of broadcast engineering since 1996; he directed all broadcast industry-related activities associated with technology development and regulatory approval. He was a founder of USA Digital Radio, now Ibiquity Digital, and was responsible for coordinating and leading the industry's implementation of the technology, including establishing multiple field test site and evaluation of implementation requirements for stations contemplating conversion. He also represented Ibiquity on the National Radio Standards Committee and managed other independent testing and evaluation efforts of Ibiquity Digital's technology. Richard E. Martinson, Vice President, Program Management: Martinson was appointed director of digital radio broadcast development in 1996, and was instrumental in forming the current technical team and supporting international and domestic regulatory efforts. Gerald B. Marcovsky, Senior Legal Advisor: Marcovsky has been associated with Ibiquity Digital since 1998. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rjskadl@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 13:07:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91774 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 20:07:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 20:07:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 20:07:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2003 20:07:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:07:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Who's Running IBOC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1163 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "RJSKADL" X-Originating-IP: 129.49.152.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > >1430 WNSW -- another AM Stereo station > -- will likely never use IBOC, because of the large interference it > would cause to co-owned 1440 WNYG on Long Island. Why would they care about WNYG. The only Reason they bought it was to shut it off so as to increase power at WNSW. Multicultural's engineer was not lying when he told us that WPAT would be using IBOC. WNSW and WZRC are Next. And he also wasn't lying about shutting down WNYG to get morePower at WNSW And the thought of > using IBOC on WNYG itself is laughable, with their Class D signal > with 1 kW daytime and a mere 38 watts at night! Correct this time. They are only going to make it go dark anyway, so why should they care. I am not happy about the situation, and I don't think it is right, but that is what they are planning on doing. It has happened before with WADO purchasing WGLI and making the Mighty 1290 go dark. 11 years later WADO went from 7.5K to 50K. WWRL bought WLNG AM and made it go dark so that WWRL could get more power (for all the good it did). History repeats. > From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Jul 17 13:48:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43508 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 20:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 20:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 20:48:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2003 20:48:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:48:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Matrix processing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6690 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.233 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Could you tell me which type of "matrix" processing, each box you > > listed above does, or if it does both types. > > Like I said in my first reply, "matrix" processing (which you always > seem to put in quotes, as if you question the legitimacy of the > term?) I put it in quotes because the term is used by people in this group in an ambiguous manner, basically it's mostly used here as a buzz word, without people knowing what it really means, or stating what they mean by it when they use the term. I hadn't thought of it that way, but yes, you could say I am questioning the legitimacy of the term, at least as used in this group. > simply refers to processing the L+R and L-R components of the > stereo audio image, rather than the individual Left and Right > channels. Period. Full stop. End of story! I have a little rule, when I don't know anything about a subject, and I hear someone making such absolute black and white pronouncements about the subject, I figure they are just spouting BS, and know even less than me. I won't be expecting you to enlighten me anytime soon as to exactly what sort of "matrix" processing is used by each of the AM stereo processing boxes you listed, you obviously don't have a clue. > Matrix processing can > be used for different PURPOSES, but it is what it is, and the basic > definition and technique doesn't change. While I may not know what sort of "matrix" processing is involved in the AM stereo processor boxes you mentioned, I have encountered a number of different sorts of matrix processors in various applications over the years, and the techniques used by them have been far from identical, depending on what it is that the box is trying to accomplish. To me the essence of the different "matrix" processing techniques is the side chains that derive the control signals for the VCAs. Do both the "L+R" and "L-R" VCAs receive the same control signal? In a stereo "enhancement" box there are obviously going to be two different control signals generated. Other boxes use the same control signal for both VCAs, and it's mainly the side chains that are matrixed, the audio VCAs could just as easily operate on the "L' and "R" audio, with the same effect as if the VCAs operated on matrixed audio. An example of a type of matrix processor where a common control signal might be used for both the "L+R", and "L-R" audio channels would be a limiter for AM stereo, or it might not, depending on the goals of the designer of the box. Here you might choose to have the gain of the "L", "R", "L+R", and "L-R" all vary together so that the limiting action has minimal effect on the stereo separation. In this case it is the side chain that is matrixed, and generates a control voltage to insure that neither "L+R" or "L-R" get too large and causes over modulation, while insuring that the gain reduction tracks in both channels. But the control voltage in our hypothetical AM stereo limiter can't derived only from a matrixed side chain, because if we set it up for 100% "L+R" and 100% "L-R", or even 75% "L- R", then with some program material the modulation locus is going to venture into areas involving phase angles the FCC doesn't allow. If on the other hand we simply used discrete side chains to keep us out of those areas, then we couldn't take advantage of the enhanced single channel modulation that is possible with AM stereo. So what we would end up doing is combining the signals from both matrixed and discrete side chains in such a way that the limiter maximizes the modulation without exceeding the FCC rules, as a simple matrixed side chain would. So right there we have three different sorts of matrix processing, first simple "L+R" and "L-R" processing where the two channels operate independently, second "L+R" and "L-R" processing where the two channels operate from a common control voltage derived from a matrixed side chain, and thirdly, a system where the control voltage is a complex combination of signals from both discrete and matrixed side chains, and of course there are others. Things are not as simple in the real world as you would have us believe. > > if we want to get any insight into what "normal", we must first > > consider what the transmitted signal parameters must be for a > > voice to be reproduced with a constant loudness in the room, as it > > is panned from the left, to the center, and finally to the right. > > You're getting in over your head. In this case, "normal" simply > refers to discrete-channel (L & R) processing, as opposed to matrix > processing (L+R & L-R), as you yourself refer to below.... > > > My point was, and is, that while with AM stereo it is > > theoretically possible to increase the level of a single channel > > signal by 6 dB, OK, you are defining "normal" as the sound produced by "discrete- channel (L & R) processing", and that's fine as long as it is understood that is what you are talking about. I had assumed "normal" to be how things would sound in an "ideal" stereo mix, without processing for the radio, and it is the exact nature of that "ideal" mix, about which there has previously been some controversy in this group. > ...that would be 6 dB above the level provided by "normal" discrete- > channel processing. Make that a theoretical maximum of 6 dB, the FCC doesn't permit that great an increase in the single channel only level. > > The FCC rules restrict the increase in the maximum single channel > > level to no more than 3.5 dB > > AM Stereo isn't only used in the USA, and other countries may have > other specifications concering their use of AM Stereo, or even none > at all. That's just a cop out, but since you brought it up, why don't you name the countries, and quote the relevant sections of their C-Quam AM stereo rules, that allow a greater peak phase deviation than the FCC does in the USA? > > Didn't this used to be called monophonic broadcasting? > > Did you fail to comprehend what I described, or are you just > throwing out flame bait? Plenty of *FM* stations blend single- > channel audio to the center, such as by using the Howe Phase Chaser. > Does that mean they're broadcasting in "mono"? OK, I admitted I wasn't up on the latest broadcast technology, so is what you are saying that they only "blend single-channel audio to the center" when one channel is quiet? Flame bait of not, I would still call it monophonic at those times when they do "blend single-channel audio to the center", and talk about platform motion! John From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Jul 17 13:52:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6617 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 20:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 20:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 20:52:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2003 20:52:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:52:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Telco STLs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030717173753.54626.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 733 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.233 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > The curve that Heath shows in the BC-1A manual as the "Response of > > Typical AM Station", is only about 3 dB down at 8 kHz, probably better > > than you would get from an equalized 5 kHz "Telco landline STL", and > > closer to the overall response you might expect from a station using > > an 8 kHz "Telco landline STL". > > More common today is the 7 kHz ISDN speech codec, typically used for > network news and syndicated traffic reports. Ah, that must be what Heathkit had in mind when they drew that graph in the BC-1A manual. I didn't think it was quite right for a station using either a 5 kHz, or an 8 kHz, "Telco landline STL". John From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 17:09:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17944 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 00:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 00:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 00:09:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 00:09:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:09:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Matrix processing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1503 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: =snip= > > AM Stereo isn't only used in the USA, and other countries may have > > other specifications concering their use of AM Stereo, or even none > > at all. > > That's just a cop out, but since you brought it up, why don't you name > the countries, and quote the relevant sections of their C-Quam AM > stereo rules, that allow a greater peak phase deviation than the FCC > does in the USA? Can't say about the regulations therein, but the countries that currently use, or have used, AM stereo to the best of my knowledge, and not counting unlicensed concerns, are: Australia New Zealand (used to, anyway) France Italy Canada Mexico Bahamas Costa Rica Venezuela Brazil South Africa Lesotho Swaziland Japan Thailland (They do allow for greater than 5% pilot modulation.) South Korea Hong Kong Taiwan Philippines I don't know about Greece, whether the sole AMS station there is licensed or not. The station in Ireland is an unlicenced station. There will (hopefully) be one (licensed) in the Netherlands soon. There might have been one in Malaysia, but I'm unsure. Same with Argentina and Chile. (Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands aren't counted, as they're territories, but if you must, sure, add them.) Between the US and all these other countries, there are probably over 500 AMS stations in operation. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 17:20:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14416 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 00:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 00:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41214.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 00:20:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20030718002018.95638.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.248.72] by web41214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:20:18 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Matrix processing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus > Can't say about the regulations therein, but the > countries that > currently use, or have used, AM stereo to the best > of my knowledge, > and not counting unlicensed concerns, are: > > Australia > New Zealand (used to, anyway) Unfortunately We only have "Loud FM stations except the multitudes of AM networks in mono)-been no ams since the late 80's here-Even a lot of small Islands than we are even have AMS > France > Italy > Canada > Mexico > Bahamas > Costa Rica > Venezuela > Brazil > South Africa > Lesotho > Swaziland > Japan > Thailland (They do allow for greater than 5% pilot > modulation.) > South Korea > Hong Kong > Taiwan > Philippines > > I don't know about Greece, whether the sole AMS > station there is > licensed or not. > > The station in Ireland is an unlicenced station. > > There will (hopefully) be one (licensed) in the > Netherlands soon. > > There might have been one in Malaysia, but I'm > unsure. Same with > Argentina and Chile. > > (Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands aren't > counted, as they're > territories, but if you must, sure, add them.) > > Between the US and all these other countries, there > are probably over > 500 AMS stations in operation. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 17:56:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44775 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 00:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 00:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 00:56:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 00:56:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:56:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Matrix processing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030718002018.95638.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 626 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > > New Zealand (used to, anyway) > Unfortunately We only > have "Loud FM stations except the multitudes of AM > networks in mono)-been no ams since the late 80's > here-Even a lot of small Islands than we are even have > AMS Sad that Radio I stopped broadcasting in 1991, I believe. NZ's only licensed AMS broadcaster. The only AMS in NZ today would be Ben Lennard's station on 999 in Wellington, if he's still broadcasting it. I would love to know what other countries are/have been broadcasting AMS, to be honest. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 18:36:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28014 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 01:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 01:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 01:36:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20030718013617.2917.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.248.72] by web41202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:36:17 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Matrix processing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Radio I is just a national network now from AUCKLANDS 98.2 now. As for AM999 its in mono-The guy told me a friend is using it in the middle of the north Island now but his web site says National Radios AM network is AMS ready but they persistant in going to FM mono and simulcasting in AM mono. Australias the nearest place to us but as well as the AMS they have they have taken the "Good weather" too -its freezing cold and wet here for several days. Michael --- amymousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and > Ross > wrote: > > > > > New Zealand (used to, anyway) > > Unfortunately We only > > have "Loud FM stations except the multitudes of AM > > networks in mono)-been no ams since the late 80's > > here-Even a lot of small Islands than we are even > have > > AMS > > Sad that Radio I stopped broadcasting in 1991, I > believe. NZ's only > licensed AMS broadcaster. > > The only AMS in NZ today would be Ben Lennard's > station on 999 in > Wellington, if he's still broadcasting it. > > I would love to know what other countries are/have > been broadcasting > AMS, to be honest. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 19:04:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97623 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 02:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 02:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 02:04:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 02:04:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:04:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Who's Running IBOC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1947 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Why would they care about WNYG. The only Reason they bought > it was to shut it off so as to increase power at WNSW. Well, that was the thought back when WNSW was running their "Sunny 1430" Adult Standards music format and trying to make it work as a 'regular' commercial radio station. For a 5 kW New Jersey station, Sunny wasn't doing too bad in the NYC ratings, but Multicultural pulled the plug on it before they had a chance to even submit the power increase application to the FCC. Now, I don't know if they'll still bother to go through with that, because the Korean format that occupies the bulk of WNSW's brokered programming is already simulcast on 740 WGSM anyway. Meanwhile, 1440 WNYG remains on the air because it's another cash cow for them-- another cheap little AM station with brokered programming. BTW, one vestige of the "Sunny" format remains -- Danny Stiles' overnight show, which as always is about 80% commercials for restaurants, nursing homes, and funeral parlors, and about 20% music. It is simulcast on 1430 WNSW and 930 WPAT, and although actual listeners are probably few and far between, it allows Danny to continue his legacy as one of the longest-running DJs on the air -- I believe he's been doing it for over 50 years now. > Multicultural's engineer was not lying when he told us that WPAT > would be using IBOC. WNSW and WZRC are Next. I would still put a question mark on 1430 WNSW because of their close promixity (19 miles) to 1450 WCTC, and neither station is directional to help "protect" each other. If WNSW runs IBOC, it would have a murderous effect upon WCTC's signal, especially for those people who are listening to WCTC in hi-fi AM Stereo. For decades, WCTC's locally oriented programming has attracted a loyal listening audience and I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one to complain if neighboring WNSW began transmitting IBOC and hashing all over WCTC's signal. From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Jul 17 19:05:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71255 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 02:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 02:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 02:05:54 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-26.skyweb.net [66.6.130.154]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h6I2ChnZ070983 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:12:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3F1755A7.54759E67@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:04:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Who's Running IBOC? References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well as of Today at 6pm WZRC went IBOC. I was at the main Office when It happened.... RJSKADL wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > >1430 WNSW -- another AM Stereo station > > -- will likely never use IBOC, because of the large interference it > > would cause to co-owned 1440 WNYG on Long Island. > > Why would they care about WNYG. The only Reason they bought > it was to shut it off so as to increase power at WNSW. > Multicultural's engineer was not lying when he told us that WPAT > would be using IBOC. WNSW and WZRC are Next. And he also > wasn't lying about shutting down WNYG to get morePower at > WNSW > > And the thought of > > using IBOC on WNYG itself is laughable, with their Class D > signal > > with 1 kW daytime and a mere 38 watts at night! > > Correct this time. They are only going to make it go dark anyway, > so why should they care. I am not happy about the situation, and > I don't think it is right, but that is what they are planning on doing. > It has happened before with WADO purchasing WGLI and > making the Mighty 1290 go dark. 11 years later WADO went from > 7.5K to 50K. WWRL bought WLNG AM and made it go dark so > that WWRL could get more power (for all the good it did). History > repeats. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 19:15:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75135 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 02:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 02:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 02:15:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 02:15:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:15:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Telco STLs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 885 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Ah, that must be what Heathkit had in mind when they drew that > graph in the BC-1A manual. I didn't think it was quite right for a > station using either a 5 kHz, or an 8 kHz, "Telco landline STL". No, ISDN is a digital landline technology that didn't even exist back then. A single ISDN line provides a data rate of 64 kbps, and there is a popular digital encoding system that uses this throughput to provide speech-quality mono audio with a 7 kHz bandwidth. If you listen to a syndicated traffic report -- either on AM or FM -- and the announcer's voice just doesn't sound as crisp and clear as the local DJ, but yet is still better than "telephone" quality, this is probably what you're hearing. p.s. May I ask why, this time, you put "Telco landline STL" in quotes? If you prefer different terminology that is more correct, please feel free to share it with us. From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Jul 17 19:19:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65657 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 02:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 02:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 02:19:21 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-26.skyweb.net [66.6.130.154]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h6I2QEnZ074729 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:26:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3F1758D1.AFA5C695@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:17:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Telco STLs References: <20030717173753.54626.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit actually most of WPAT's Programming originates From The NY Offices. Very little of WPAT's programming is from remote studios. and its a T-1 from the studio to the transmitter site. "Kevin T." wrote: > > The curve that Heath shows in the BC-1A manual as the "Response of > > Typical AM Station", is only about 3 dB down at 8 kHz, probably better > > than you would get from an equalized 5 kHz "Telco landline STL", and > > closer to the overall response you might expect from a station using > > an 8 kHz "Telco landline STL". > > More common today is the 7 kHz ISDN speech codec, typically used for > network news and syndicated traffic reports. Live remotes and sporting > events are typically run over a regular phone line, either with a digital > encoder that provides about 6 kHz's worth of audio with marginally > acceptable quality, or just Plain Old Telephone Service (POTS). > > Once, due to some technical fault, Joey Reynolds on WOR had to phone in his > own radio show, even though he was sitting in WOR's studio as normal. But > even worse are many of the brokered programs on "Ethnic" stations like > 930 WPAT, often delivered through a telephone connection with a loud > multiple-harmonic background hum. And IBOC will make that sound better? > I don't think so.... > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Jul 17 19:20:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8996 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 02:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 02:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 02:20:55 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-26.skyweb.net [66.6.130.154]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h6I2RnnZ075153 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:27:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3F175930.E19F71C0@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:19:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Telco STLs References: <20030717173753.54626.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I should correct that.. The Russian Programming had a Hum but that was due to the Phone company problems that have Been resolved since the New 1380 is Now 100% Russian programming. "Kevin T." wrote: > > The curve that Heath shows in the BC-1A manual as the "Response of > > Typical AM Station", is only about 3 dB down at 8 kHz, probably better > > than you would get from an equalized 5 kHz "Telco landline STL", and > > closer to the overall response you might expect from a station using > > an 8 kHz "Telco landline STL". > > More common today is the 7 kHz ISDN speech codec, typically used for > network news and syndicated traffic reports. Live remotes and sporting > events are typically run over a regular phone line, either with a digital > encoder that provides about 6 kHz's worth of audio with marginally > acceptable quality, or just Plain Old Telephone Service (POTS). > > Once, due to some technical fault, Joey Reynolds on WOR had to phone in his > own radio show, even though he was sitting in WOR's studio as normal. But > even worse are many of the brokered programs on "Ethnic" stations like > 930 WPAT, often delivered through a telephone connection with a loud > multiple-harmonic background hum. And IBOC will make that sound better? > I don't think so.... > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 19:30:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59949 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 02:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 02:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 02:30:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 02:30:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:30:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo around the world Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1078 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Can't say about the regulations therein, but the countries that=20 > currently use, or have used, AM stereo to the best of my knowledge,=20 > and not counting unlicensed concerns, are: {snip} Don't forget Spain. As of the early 1990s, there were several C-Quam=20 AM Stereo stations in Madrid, including 50-kW "COPE" on 999 kHz. I also recall finding on the Web a reference to a station in=20 Indonesia that claimed to be AM Stereo. The World Radio TV/Handbook also lists "Radio 920 AM Stereo" (HIH)=20 and "Radio Metro 1120 AM Stereo" (HICN) in Santo Domingo, Dominican=20 Republic. There's also several AM Stereo stations in Panama, including "Radio=20 1450 AM Stereo" in Panama City, and another one on 540 kHz that has a=20 web site (which I believe is linked on Alex K.'s site). In Ecuador, the WRTH lists "Radio Stereo AM" (HCPB5) on 1260 kHz in=20 Cuenca, and in Paraguay, "Radio Cardinal AM St=E9reo" (ZP7) on 730 kHz=20 in Asunci=F3n. Peru is a question mark, with "Radio Stereo Nevada" (OAU7K) on 1280=20 kHz in Espinar, although that might be a mono simulcast of an FM=20 station. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 19:40:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14267 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 02:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 02:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 02:40:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 02:40:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:40:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo around the world Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1899 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.221 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." =20 wrote: > > Can't say about the regulations therein, but the countries that=20 > > currently use, or have used, AM stereo to the best of my=20 knowledge,=20 > > and not counting unlicensed concerns, are: > {snip} >=20 > Don't forget Spain. As of the early 1990s, there were several C- Quam=20 > AM Stereo stations in Madrid, including 50-kW "COPE" on 999 kHz. D'oh.. Forgot about Spain... Though the last word I have heard on=20 COPE 999 hasn't been stereo for some time. > I also recall finding on the Web a reference to a station in=20 > Indonesia that claimed to be AM Stereo. Indonesia is an interestingt case- There are NO radio regulations or=20 license requirements, so it's entirely possible that there would be=20 one in Indonesia somewhere. > The World Radio TV/Handbook also lists "Radio 920 AM Stereo" (HIH)=20 > and "Radio Metro 1120 AM Stereo" (HICN) in Santo Domingo, Dominican=20 > Republic. >=20 > There's also several AM Stereo stations in Panama, including "Radio=20 > 1450 AM Stereo" in Panama City, and another one on 540 kHz that has=20 a=20 > web site (which I believe is linked on Alex K.'s site). D'oh, forgot about these two! Yes, both countries have had=20 longstanding AMS histories. > In Ecuador, the WRTH lists "Radio Stereo AM" (HCPB5) on 1260 kHz in=20 > Cuenca, and in Paraguay, "Radio Cardinal AM St=E9reo" (ZP7) on 730=20 kHz=20 > in Asunci=F3n. I wouldn't be surprised. > Peru is a question mark, with "Radio Stereo Nevada" (OAU7K) on 1280=20 > kHz in Espinar, although that might be a mono simulcast of an FM=20 > station. It would be interesting to find out. I'm not sure if we have any AMS=20 enthusiasts here from South America, except Brazil, perhaps. Between 30+ million radios and 300+ stations in the US alone, plus=20 all these other stations throughout the world, AM stereo is far- VERY=20 far- from dead. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 19:43:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64531 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 02:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 02:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 02:43:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 02:43:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:43:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1480 WZRC joins the "hash club"... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F1755A7.54759E67@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 584 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > well as of Today at 6pm WZRC went IBOC. I was at the main Office > when It happened.... I don't think 1500 WGHT in nothern NJ will be too pleased... they are an Oldies music station that takes pride in the quality of their audio (even though it's mono), and they even recommend wide-bandwidth radios like the GE Superadio III on their web site. Now, quite a few WGHT listeners may turn on their radio to hear an annoying "HISSSSSS" in the background, courtesy of 1480 WZRC's IBOC. In this case, the transmitters of WZRC and WGHT are a mere 17 miles away from each other. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Thu Jul 17 20:55:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95229 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 03:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 03:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 03:55:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 03:55:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 03:55:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC is dead Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 800 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.162.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio With iBiquity getting rid of 3 managers and more problems in this area now that two more trashcans have signed on the air (WPAT and WZRC) with the same problems we've seen elsewhere, it really is time for engineers to sit and ask themselves why they're even THINKING about purchasing IBOC gear at outrageous prices. I am rebuilding my plant at WXBA-FM in August. While we are incorporating digital in the audio path, nowhere in my mind is there even a plan for IBOC. The Optimod 8300 we're getting (we'll be one of the first FM's in the country with Orban's new offering) will have the capability to do analog and digital for IBOC, but the only reason we're getting it is because of the improvements it has for ANALOG. I don't forsee a day when I would need to use the digital output. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 22:23:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40572 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 05:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 05:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 05:23:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 05:23:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 05:23:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: ...and AM Stereo is alive! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1135 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics With all this talk of IBOC and the many headaches associated with it, it is good to forget about all that digital nonsense for a while and enjoy the AM Stereo that we all know and love. In that regard, I'm lucky to have a variety of local and distant AM Stereo signals to listen to. One of my favorites is Greater Media's flagship station 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, NJ -- with a small 1000-watt signal, but a big popularity as central NJ's news/talk station with an emphasis on live, local programming. WCTC also clearly places an emphasis upon their audio quality, with most of their IDs, liners, commercials, and bumper music played in full Stereo. Over the years, I've made countless recordings of WCTC, and offered dozens of them on the Internet for all AM Stereo enthusiasts to download and enjoy. Now, here is yet another one, recorded this Wednesday afternoon from my trusty Sony SRF-A100, in wide-bandwidth C-Quam AM Stereo mode, of course: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wctc0716.mp3 Now, if only all AM stations could sound that good, both in terms of programming and in terms of hi-fi Stereo audio! From alfredot@inetarena.com Fri Jul 18 00:03:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47091 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 07:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 07:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 07:03:33 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust245.tnt16.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [67.227.163.245]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6I6wCUr010840 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:02:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Who's On First, Running IBOC? In-Reply-To: <1058402254.1337.47036.m8@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > You need to grow up, get a life, realize this is only the radio, > and treat new ideas such as HD with curiosity and try to experience > as much as you can to learn as much as you can. > > Kevin , I would give anything to be your young tender and innocent > age again, but I would experience it with caution and not upset some > of the most well respected Engineering Professionals in this business > who could well help you out both in your quest to discover new > things, evaluate old things and get on in life. Kevin--with all due respect, I think that you're really missing out on a great opportunity by not meeting with Tom Ray and Kerry Richards in person. I am not saying that I doubt the authenticity of the airchecks of IBOC hash that you've shared with us. However, as a reader and participant of your message board, I find that when taken as a whole, the exchange that's been occurring between some of the IBOC skeptics and the WOR staff has not really been that productive and lack anything resembling closure. I think that if you were to visit WOR, see the IBOC system in action, look at WOR's operating data (spectrum analyzer measurements, etc.), and watch WOR's engineers taking that data, then you would have the "missing piece" that you need to draw *sound conclusions* that you could share with the group. Please, pretty please, visit WOR, because you can!!!! Living in the Portland, Oregon market, the closest IBOC to me is on the order of 1000 miles away! Listening to IBOC hash or seeing an IBOC setup is not something that I could do in the span of an afternoon. You don't know how much I covet the great opportunity that you have in living near WOR. Alfredo From dav259@csiro.au Fri Jul 18 02:29:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87850 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 09:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 09:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 09:29:56 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6I9TtY11290 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:29:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:29:55 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A reminder to Mr. Richards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > > Here we go again ... > > Well, do you favor a group in which personal attacks are allowed to > flow freely? I don't, and the buck has to stop somewhere. Being an > engineer at a 50,000-watt New York City station isn't an excuse to > allow personal attacks and immature name-calling. Even if you're > President Bush or the Queen of England, the same basic rules apply to > everybody here. Kevin - Don't worry too much about Kerry and Tom. I'm sure our group is doing them a great service. We're giving them reports that otherwise they might have to pay for. They drop in and out of here when it suits them and don't seem to have much sympathy for us. I'd be all for the IBOC thingo if it worked. Yet I've never seen any reports that it does except from those connected to the iBiquity consortium. Will Kerry and Tom actually admit that it doesn't - but might one day? As a foreigner I expect US financial interests are again snubbing their noses at superior technology and trying to create something from within. And only worrying about the deep pockets of a small well off few - which we describe as "pigs with their snouts in the trough". Obviously DAB is superior - and it works! I hope we get it here - without causing a revolution in our radio programming - which is good. It seems to me the US is going for its own inferior system - just like it did with NTSC television. [ off-topic ] Magic 693 today just started playing "One day in your life" by Michael Jackson. I thought - I can remember that song - but I wonder why it's not on any of the Petula Clark records I have. And then Rick Ditchburn said it was MJ. God - they sounded so similar in those days. It make me realise that MJ was and possibly is a great performer. Also loved the Jackson Five's "Can you feel it?" with the sonic booms! Ian Melbourne From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 18 03:40:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78371 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 10:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 10:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 10:39:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 10:39:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:39:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: A reminder to Mr. Richards Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1322 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.221 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: =snip= > It seems to me the US is going for its own inferior system - just like it > did with NTSC television. Inferior? At the time, this was hardly so! In 1946, the US adopted what was then the highest video resolution to date: 525 lines. The German PAL video standard of 625 lines waqsn't even developed until 1958! In 1953, the US adopted the RCA/Philco/Hazeltine compatible color video standard- What we know as NTSC color today. PAL color would not have existed without being based on NTSC color, addingt a phase- alternating line system. The UK, the first country to adopt PAL did so in 1967, alongside its more traditional 405-line black & white video system, which the US used for 50 years- 1936-1986. But back to the point you were making, other than the quip about ther use of NTSC, I agree with your assessment, and to be quite honest, iBiquity, when it was USARadio, made no bones about the fact that the reason for IBOC -was- to develop an (inferior) American technology out of fear of Japanese and European interests having the upper hand in the worl;d's greatest economic market. And that's just it: IBOC was being forced on us not because it was better, but because it's an AMERICAN technology. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Jul 18 05:15:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23571 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 12:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 12:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 12:15:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 12:15:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:15:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Who's On First, Running IBOC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3225 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I agree with Alfredo's point here - and while I don't suspect that a WOR tour will change Kevin's mind, I would hope that Kevin would come to understand that Tom and Kerry are pretty smart cookies, and that Tom and Kerry would come to understand that while Kevin may not be the CE of a 50kw MW station, he is a pretty knowledgeable dude nonetheless. Sometimes us basement dwellers need to make contact with CEs, and for that matter, its good for the CEs to make contact with the basement dwellers who think outside the box. One thing that all of us do have in common is that we are trying to make something of the MW band. Some may think IBOC is the answer, some analogue with some digital enhancements on the receiving end. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if IBOC ever gets refined into a decent system, it won't be because of some corporate suits at iBiquity. If CQUAM had just been left to Motorola it would be dead now. I'm very skeptical of IBOC and a big fan of CQUAM AM Stereo - although I can no longer hear it - except for my Alfredo-Lite in, you guessed it, my basement. However, I am an equipment junkie, a lover of good new and good old technology, and I always want to learn more. If I found myself anywhere near NYC [a place I would love to visit anyway] I'd be hoping I could get a tour at WOR. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alfredo E. Torrejon" wrote: > > You need to grow up, get a life, realize this is only the radio, > > and treat new ideas such as HD with curiosity and try to experience > > as much as you can to learn as much as you can. > > > > Kevin , I would give anything to be your young tender and innocent > > age again, but I would experience it with caution and not upset some > > of the most well respected Engineering Professionals in this business > > who could well help you out both in your quest to discover new > > things, evaluate old things and get on in life. > > Kevin--with all due respect, I think that you're really missing > out on a great opportunity by not meeting with Tom Ray and Kerry Richards > in person. I am not saying that I doubt the authenticity of the airchecks > of IBOC hash that you've shared with us. However, as a reader and > participant of your message board, I find that when taken as a whole, the > exchange that's been occurring between some of the IBOC skeptics and the > WOR staff has not really been that productive and lack anything resembling > closure. I think that if you were to visit WOR, see the IBOC system in > action, look at WOR's operating data (spectrum analyzer measurements, > etc.), and watch WOR's engineers taking that data, then you would have the > "missing piece" that you need to draw *sound conclusions* that you could > share with the group. > Please, pretty please, visit WOR, because you can!!!! Living in > the Portland, Oregon market, the closest IBOC to me is on the order of > 1000 miles away! Listening to IBOC hash or seeing an IBOC setup is not > something that I could do in the span of an afternoon. You don't know how > much I covet the great opportunity that you have in living near WOR. > > Alfredo From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Jul 18 05:22:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38308 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 12:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 12:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 12:22:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 12:22:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:22:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: still no pilot... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 368 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking BTW, there is still no pilot at CJCH... The last 3 months have been pretty depressing for AM Stereo in the Maritimes - 2 AM stereo stations going dark as a result of FM flips and CJCH is still mono... I can't think of a single AM Stereo station left in the Maritimes now. Oh well, come winter, CFRA will be pounding in on 580 starting late afternoons. Phil R. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 18 06:38:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45237 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 13:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 13:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 13:38:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20030718133802.64836.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 06:38:02 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 06:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: iBiquity in Trouble? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Not that I take any joy in others' troubles, but it looks like it "hit the fan" over at iBiquity based on this RadioWorld article: "Ibiquity Lays Off Glynn Walden, Two Others Ibiquity Digital Corp. has let go three of its top managers, including the heads of its technical teams in Columbia, Md., sources say. Laid off are E. Glynn Walden, vice president of broadcast engineering; Rick Martinson, vice president of program management; and Gerald Marcovsky, senior legal advisor. The changes, reportedly made for cost reasons, are effective at the end of the month. All have been involved with IBOC development for several years. Walden has been the "face" of digital radio for many in the United States radio industry; he has been involved in the technical development of in-band, on-channel technology since 1989 and was the main liaison between Ibiquity and broadcasters, said sources... Ibiquity had no comment other than to say it continues to work on the PAC codec problem raised earlier by the NRSC." Maybe they realize that they should have just used an off-the-shelf codec? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 18 08:15:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28373 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 15:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 15:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 15:15:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 15:15:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:15:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: the IBOC modulation level issue Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5930 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I agree with Alfredo's point here - and while I don't suspect that > a WOR tour will change Kevin's mind, I would hope that Kevin would > come to understand that Tom and Kerry are pretty smart cookies, Oh, I know that already. But just as being invited to visit Rush Limbaugh's studio won't inspire me to listen to and/or particularly care for his talk show, being invited to WOR's transmitter site will do nothing to change my mind about all the problems and shortcomings associated with their IBOC signal. Since I doubt they'd let me fiddle around with their equipment at will, it won't change the way their signal is broadcast, and thus won't change my listening experience of how their IBOC signal behaves on the air. In fact, I'd much rather visit Multicultural's IBOC stations 930 WPAT or 1480 WZRC, as unlike WOR, they are actually transmitting both their analog audio and digital sidebands are a more reasonable level, and so that as far as I can tell, their signals are actually staying within the bandwidth that IBOC is designed to occupy -- unlike WOR, whose IBOC signal causes "splatter" effects to be heard as far as 40 kHz away from the carrier. Tom and Kerry adamantly claim that all of their equipment is showing that WOR's signal is staying within the proper bandwidth and is not exceeding any FCC regulations, and I believe them, but that doesn't change the actual listening experiences of myself and many other people in the area. And speaking of which, my latest theory as to the cause of that problem is the ability for asymmetrical modulation to be maintained when transmitting a hybrid analog/IBOC signal. Technically, anything above 100% is overmodulation, and some countries (such as the U.K.) strictly limit AM modulation to +/- 100%. However, the USA allows up to +125% modulation, based upon the fact that for a conventional ANALOG AM signal received on most conventional ANALOG AM radios, it does not cause any objectionable problems. However, when applied to an IBOC signal, there have been *no* studies to show that this is still the case. The +125% limit is actually quite arbitrary and is not based upon any specific technical standard other than subjective measurements of how most radios deal with it -- indeed, many modern AM transmitters are capable of running up to 150% modulation with no problems except for how receivers might deal with that increased level. When IBOC comes into the picture, it is very likely that the analog modulation level will have to be reduced -- perhaps down to +100% -- in order to keep the majority of receivers happy and to prevent the "splatter" type of effect I'm hearing from WOR's IBOC signal. In fact, the fact that I am NOT hearing this type of problem from WPAT's IBOC signal could likely be because of their lower modulation level, which at this point is likely even less than +100%. The point is, decades ago, engineers found that positive modulation of an AM signal can be increased beyond 100%; but past 125% or so, it started to cause problems such as distortion and "splatter" in most radios. So, they set the limit at 125%, for ANALOG AM signals. But now that IBOC is here, there is NO conclusive proof that this same arbitrary modulation limit should apply to IBOC signals as well. More research needs to be done, using more than only FOUR different analog AM radios (like in all the iBiquity and NRSC tests), so that the modulation level issue can be reexamined and perhaps a different maximum level can be applied to IBOC stations -- perhaps 110%, perhaps 100%, or even perhaps 90%, depending upon at which point the majority of the receiver-based issues -- like the distortion and "splatter" I've been experiencing from WOR's IBOC signal -- are no longer a problem. However, like Kerry said, I'm just a kid sitting in a basement, sO I guess my experiences and opinions don't count for anything. But that doesn't mean that professional radio engineers don't agree with me, such as Phil Galasso (K2PG), who recently posted this to another radio message board: "AM IBOC is a seriously flawed system born of the corruption at the FCC. And it promises to make the AM band unlistenable in congested areas such as the Boston-Washington urban corridor. AM IBOC deserves to die a quick death, as it will totally trash the AM band, undoing the work of the NRSC when that body tried to clean up the band. Furthermore, who will spend the money on an expensive, new IBOC receiver (assuming that they ever hit the market) just to hear the stereotypical AM diet of infomercials by an assortment of snake oil peddlers, boring talk shows, hellfire and brimstone paid religious programming, and brokered ethnic programming in a variety of exotic languages? With few exceptions, AM radio has become a sewer pipe of 'dollar a holler' programming. While WSAI does offer good programming in the form of an oldies format, the IBOC bandwidth limitations placed on the analog component make that station sound muddy. This is noticeable even with talk programming, as WOR sounds muddy and lifeless, while non-IBOC WABC practically reaches out of the speaker to grab you! Excessive data compression and latency cause serious problems with the digital component. From a broadcaster's standpoint, iBiquity is double-dipping. The broadcaster must pay a license fee that is added to the price of the IBOC exciter that is installed at the transmitter site. Then the broadcaster must pay an additional annual fee to iBiquity for permission to use the IBOC technology! Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM) would have been a far better choice for digital AM broadcasting in the United States. It is being tested on shortwave in Europe and elsewhere. It will also be used for mediumwave (AM) broadcasting in Europe and it does not trash the AM band the way that IBOC trashes it." From jim@burgan.net Fri Jul 18 09:17:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92351 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 16:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 16:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccimhc02.asp.att.net) (63.240.76.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 16:17:09 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-233-146.client.insightbb.com[12.221.233.146]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030718161708im200t9b8ke>; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:17:08 +0000 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: the IBOC modulation level issue Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:17:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 To me the biggest issue facing AM-IBOC is the problem with night-time propagation. Unless a miracle happens, we are on the verge of turning the AM band into a daytime-only band. Even the mighty WOR turns the IBOC signal off at sunset... I'm not sure about NY but in Chicago it gets dark at 4:30 PM in December and January, and I doubt if WLS would embrace a system that causes them to revert to 80 year-old technology at sunset every day. It is my understanding that they will have to take over half of the stations with night-time authorization dark for IBOC to work. From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Jul 18 09:25:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2822 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 16:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 16:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 16:25:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 16:25:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:25:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Richards Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 797 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >As a foreigner I expect US financial interests are again snubbing >their noses at superior technology and trying to create something >from within. >And only worrying about the deep pockets of a small well off few - >which we describe as "pigs with their snouts in the trough". This is very insulting to all Americans; Mr. Moderator care to respond? I do not want to read such garbage on AM stereo forum. >Obviously DAB is superior - and it works! Ask Canadians how many DAB recievers were purchased. Who cares if it's superior, consumers vote with their pocketbooks. Look at Beta vs VHS, cassette vs 8-track, on and on. ... > It seems to me the US is going for its own inferior system - just >like it did with NTSC television. Another insult. Do you want me to insult you? - Mario From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Jul 18 10:02:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48276 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 17:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 17:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 17:02:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 17:02:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:02:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Telco STLs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 982 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Ah, that must be what Heathkit had in mind when they drew that > > graph in the BC-1A manual. I didn't think it was quite right for a > > station using either a 5 kHz, or an 8 kHz, "Telco landline STL". > > No, ISDN is a digital landline technology that didn't even exist > back then. Yep, no doubt about it, you are definitely humor challenged! > p.s. May I ask why, this time, you put "Telco landline STL" in > quotes? If you prefer different terminology that is more correct, > please feel free to share it with us. Because it is not just a word, but is an entire phrase which I quoted from one of your posts. I like the phrase just fine, it is relatively unambiguous, leaving little doubt in the readers mind as to what you are talking about, although it doesn't explicitly indicate the quality of the line, it seems to implicitly imply some grade of a broadcast quality line. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Jul 18 10:07:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17864 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 17:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 17:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 17:06:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 17:06:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:06:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: A reminder to Mr. Richards Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3231 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > It seems to me the US is going for its own inferior system - just > like it did with NTSC television. Could you elaborate on what you mean by the US going for its own inferior system in NTSC television? Are your talking about the lines per frame, the color system, or something else? If it is the lines per frame, I wouldn't call the selection of the 525 line standard to be a case of the US going its own way. When the scanning standards were set everybody went their own way. Look at the British, they used a 405 line system for many years, the French used a 819 line system, and I don't know what the rest of continental Europe used? Or are you suggesting that when the Europeans developed their 625 line color system, that the US should have converted to the 625 line system too? Isn't that sort of putting the shoe on the wrong foot, the 525 line system had been in use in the US for years, it was the Europeans that went their own way with their 625 line color system, why didn't they just use the existing 525 line US system? It looks to me like it was the Europeans that went there own way with this, not the US! If it is the color system, again it was not the US going its own way, when the US choose its color system there was nothing else out there, the Europeans didn't go to color for another 15 years or so, again a case of the Europeans, not the US going their own way. If it is the fabled phase problems with the NTSC color system you are talking about, that is all a thing of the past, that resulted from the inability of the technology of the time to maintain a constant color sub carrier phase. With today's technology that is no longer a problem, it's been years since you saw the tint change from program to program, and station to station. The PAL system used in Europe is a modified version of the US color system, which alternates the color phase line by line to cancel the phase errors that used to plague NTSC color. In exchange for this improvement, the PAL system is subject to more visual artifacts in the picture, as a result of destroying the carefully designed dot interleaving scheme of the NTSC color system, as a result of alternating the phase line by line. In addition to the PAL color system having more picture artifacts, I just recently read an article that claimed that the PAL modifications to the NTSC color system also reduce the resolution of the PAL picture over that of an equivalent NTSC picture. Unfortunately I don't remember where I read that, or what the claimed mechanism for the reduced PAL resolution was, so I can't vouch for it. I suspect it may have had something to do with the number of lines involved in comb filtering for the two systems. The bottom line is that with modern technology having made the NTSC phase sensitivity a thing of the past, it is the PAL system that is inferior because of its increased level of picture artifacts. And there is certainly no basis for saying the US went its own way in these developments, no other countries had color standards at the time the US standardized on the NTSC color system. John From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Jul 18 11:53:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69938 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 18:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 18:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 18:53:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 18:53:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:53:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NTSC vs PAL Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2158 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.207 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > The PAL system used in Europe is a > modified version of the US color system, which alternates the color > phase line by line to cancel the phase errors that used to plague NTSC > color. In exchange for this improvement, the PAL system is subject to > more visual artifacts in the picture, as a result of destroying the > carefully designed dot interleaving scheme of the NTSC color system, > as a result of alternating the phase line by line. In addition to the > PAL color system having more picture artifacts, I just recently read > an article that claimed that the PAL modifications to the NTSC color > system also reduce the resolution of the PAL picture over that of an > equivalent NTSC picture. Unfortunately I don't remember where I read > that, or what the claimed mechanism for the reduced PAL resolution > was, so I can't vouch for it. I suspect it may have had something to > do with the number of lines involved in comb filtering for the two > systems. > > The bottom line is that with modern technology having made the NTSC > phase sensitivity a thing of the past, it is the PAL system that is > inferior because of its increased level of picture artifacts. And > there is certainly no basis for saying the US went its own way in > these developments, no other countries had color standards at the time > the US standardized on the NTSC color system. > > John Amen to that! Since the chroma carrier is an odd multiple of 1/2 horiz line freq it is naturally out of phase on every other line in relation to the luma. This allows complete luma chroma separation with a 3-line comb filter. With todays IC PLL based chroma decoder chips phase errors are a thing of the past. By PAL alternating the R-Y part of the chroma signal this destroys the ability to ever completely separate the R-Y from the luma but the B-Y does separate out since the phase is not alternated. Not having the R-Y to completely separate out causes crossmixing of the higher frequencies of the luma and R-Y creating distrortion in the detail of both of these signals. JSG From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Fri Jul 18 12:23:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31062 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 19:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 19:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 19:23:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 19:23:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:23:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo around the world Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 501 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.57.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan > Don't forget Spain. As of the early 1990s, there were several C- Quam > AM Stereo stations in Madrid, including 50-kW "COPE" on 999 kHz. > I tried to find out more about this, even tried emailing hopfully the correct broadcaster. How do you know about this ? Was anyone listening in am stereo in madrid even ?! Fingers crossed and the UK will soon have it's first am stereo station on 1008khz 'Radio London' should be a good sig with it's 400kw transmitter broadcasting from Holland... From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Jul 18 14:51:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83256 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 21:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 21:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 21:51:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 21:51:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:51:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: the IBOC modulation level issue Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5115 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > And speaking of which, my latest theory as to the cause of that > problem is the ability for asymmetrical modulation to be maintained > when transmitting a hybrid analog/IBOC signal. Technically, > anything above 100% is overmodulation, and some countries (such as > the U.K.) strictly limit AM modulation to +/- 100%. However, the > USA allows up to +125% modulation, based upon the fact that for a > conventional ANALOG AM signal received on most conventional ANALOG > AM radios, it does not cause any objectionable problems. > > However, when applied to an IBOC signal, there have been *no* > studies to show that this is still the case. The +125% limit is > actually quite arbitrary and is not based upon any specific > technical standard other than subjective measurements of how most > radios deal with it -- indeed, many modern AM transmitters are > capable of running up to 150% modulation with no problems except > for how receivers might deal with that increased level. > > When IBOC comes into the picture, it is very likely that the analog > modulation level will have to be reduced -- perhaps down to +100% -- > in order to keep the majority of receivers happy and to prevent > the "splatter" type of effect I'm hearing from WOR's IBOC signal. > In fact, the fact that I am NOT hearing this type of problem from > WPAT's IBOC signal could likely be because of their lower modulation > level, which at this point is likely even less than +100%. > > The point is, decades ago, engineers found that positive modulation > of an AM signal can be increased beyond 100%; but past 125% or so, > it started to cause problems such as distortion and "splatter" in > most radios. So, they set the limit at 125%, for ANALOG AM signals. > But now that IBOC is here, there is NO conclusive proof that this > same arbitrary modulation limit should apply to IBOC signals as > well. > > More research needs to be done, using more than only FOUR different > analog AM radios (like in all the iBiquity and NRSC tests), so that > the modulation level issue can be reexamined and perhaps a different > maximum level can be applied to IBOC stations -- perhaps 110%, > perhaps 100%, or even perhaps 90%, depending upon at which point the > majority of the receiver-based issues -- like the distortion and > "splatter" I've been experiencing from WOR's IBOC signal -- are no > longer a problem. > > However, like Kerry said, I'm just a kid sitting in a basement, sO I > guess my experiences and opinions don't count for anything. It doesn't matter that you are "just a kid sitting in a basement", what matters is whether you can provide some evidence to back it up your ideas, that is what makes them count. I would not dismiss your 125% modulation idea out of hand, but you need to provide some evidence that the effect actually exists, either theoretical, or empirical, our give us at least a hypothesis as to its cause. If I understand your opinion correctly, you are suggesting that 125% positive analog modulation might be the cause of unexplained IBOC splatter into radios tuned to the third adjacent, and beyond, channels? This doesn't make sense to me, but what do I know, because a radio tuned to the third adjacent channel doesn't really see the modulation of the interfering station in the same way as a radio actually tuned to the interfering station does. The use of 125% positive analog modulation by a potentially interfering station is probably not going do anything to make the interference worse in a receiver tuned to the third adjacent channel than you would normally expect. What you need to do to have credibility is to at least offer a hypothesis of some sort as to what could cause the effect you suggest. You state that "engineers found that positive modulation of an AM signal can be increased beyond 100%; but past 125% or so, it started to cause problems such as distortion and "splatter" in most radios." Who are the engineers that found this? Can you cite a technical paper that provides any evidence to support this statement? Yes radios have problems with high modulation levels, of the signal they are tuned to, but the problem is mostly with negative modulation approaching 100%, not with positive modulation. Yes stations using heavy positive modulation may sound distorted, but that is because distortion is generally necessary to generate the asymmetric wave form needed to insure consistent 125% positive modulation. Beyond the obvious fact that higher modulation levels imply higher sideband energy levels, it isn't obvious to me why 125% positive modulation should cause increased splatter beyond what you would expect. I am not sure exactly what the history of the 125% modulation rule is, perhaps there is someone here that is more knowledgeable than I, that could explain it to us. I suspect the 125% rule grew out of the rules governing how much carrier shift was permissible in the older transmitters. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Jul 18 14:58:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76460 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 21:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 21:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 21:58:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 21:58:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:58:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: the IBOC modulation level issue Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 838 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > To me the biggest issue facing AM-IBOC is the problem with > night-time propagation. Unless a miracle happens, we are on the > verge of turning the AM band into a daytime-only band. > Even the mighty WOR turns the IBOC signal off at sunset... I'm not > sure about NY but in Chicago it gets dark at 4:30 PM in December and > January, and I doubt if WLS would embrace a system that causes them > to revert to 80 year-old technology at sunset every day. So instead they would want to use the 80 year-old technology full time? > It is my understanding that they will have to take over half of the > stations with night-time authorization dark for IBOC to work. That would be an exceedingly positive outcome, there are too many AM stations on the MW band now. John From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Jul 18 15:43:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10309 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 22:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 22:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.58) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 22:43:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:43:42 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:43:42 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: To Read or Not to Read Garbage Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:43:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2003 22:43:42.0351 (UTC) FILETIME=[09E1B1F0:01C34D7E] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Someone on the list, describing Ibiquity and IBOC and the business deals to get the FCC to approve IBOC wrote: >pigs with their snouts in the trough". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ and someone else on the list responded: >This is very insulting to all >Americans; >Mr. Moderator care to respond?  I do not want to read such garbage on AM stereo forum. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Not all Americans were offended by that remark; I am a U.S. citizen and a veteran and I was not offended by that remark. Many people on the list have said the same thing, maybe more diplomatically to be sure and the other people being cynical of Ibiquity didn't offend me either. Of course, I can't speak for all Americans or all U.S. veterans. There have some some posts that I do consider garbage and I have found that the "delete" function and mail-blocking feature can be useful tools without me asking anyone else not to express their views. donn st petersburg,fl _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Jul 18 15:46:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69413 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 22:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2003 22:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 22:46:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2003 22:46:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:46:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 930 WPAT in NYC area now testing IBOC/"HD Radio" Digital AM Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1547 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules From WBRW, who writes much like Kevin Tekel: >>With WOR I was unable to tell what the IBOC signal sounded like >>because their signal was so strong I could receive it on my teeth. >>WPAT is far weaker and I hear the same thing you hear from 910 to >>950. >>On my receivers it sounds like square waves and buzzing on either >>side. Hash lower and buzzing upper. Beyond 960 all is quiet so it >>isn't dimmer or power line noise. >If you can't get enough of WPAT's noise-generating IBOC signal, try >1480 WZRC. As of 2:00 PM on Thursday afternoon, the IBOC was turned >on at that NYC station as well. Listeners of 1500 WGHT -- whose >transmitter is only 17 miles away from WZRC's -- will definitely not >be pleased when they tune in 1500 AM and hear a constant "HISSSSSSSS" >in the background. Yes, IBOC is currently daytime-only -- but so is >WGHT itself (to accomodate WTOP at night), so there's no escape! > >Furthermore, 930 WPAT is a hodge-podge of time-brokered ethnic >programming, and 1480 WZRC is all-Chinese. Exactly what is the point >of broadcasting these zero-ratings, zero-advertiser, zero-listener >formats in IBOC digital?? And as for 710 WOR, most of its 85-year- >old listeners probably don't even know what "digital" means. >Regardless of its technical flaws, IBOC might have a chance if they >put it on something like Radio Disney (1560 WQEW), as an attempt to >attract more younger listeners to the AM band. Otherwise, it's just >being wasted on the type of listeners who haven't bought a new radio >since 1974. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 18 17:06:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72656 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2003 00:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2003 00:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 00:06:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2003 00:06:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:06:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: To Read or Not to Read Garbage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2282 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.221 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: >=20 > Someone on the list, describing Ibiquity and IBOC and the business=20 deals to=20 > get the FCC to approve IBOC wrote: >=20 > >pigs with their snouts in the trough". > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > and someone else on the list responded: >=20 >=20 > >This is very insulting to all >Americans; >Mr. Moderator care to > respond?=A0 I do not want to read such garbage on AM stereo forum. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >=20 > Not all Americans were offended by that remark; I am a U.S. citizen=20 and a=20 > veteran and I was not offended by that remark. Many people on the=20 list have=20 > said the same thing, maybe more diplomatically to be sure and the=20 other=20 > people being cynical of Ibiquity didn't offend me either. I did not take what Ian said as a swipe on Americans, for I don't=20 think that's what he implied at all. It's a swipe at the corporates,=20 or more broadly, those who covet wealth. Even as a Deist mousie, it reminds me of something I once learned.=20 Jesus once said "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a=20 needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Mark 10:25).=20 Just a nice way of saying you don't obtain grace through wealth. These wealthy corporates are greedy, and maddened by power, and so=20 they feel they can abuse the system from within, because they have=20 the power to do so. This is why7 the FCC is behaving as it is because=20 of the power these corporates have, which they want more of. "Pigs with their snouts in the trough" is an accurate description, I=20 would say. Not referringt to Americans, but the damned coprporates=20 and their money at the FCC- The best regulator money can buy. > Of course, I can't speak for all Americans or all U.S. veterans. I speak for myself, though I'm American. I never presume to speak=20 otherwise. > There have some some posts that I do consider garbage and I have=20 found that=20 > the "delete" function and mail-blocking feature can be useful tools=20 without=20 > me asking anyone else not to express their views. Unless there is harassment of abuse, I don't see any reason wgy we=20 can't get along here, even in disagreement. This goes for both sides=20 of the ongoing WOR debacle here. I'm not going to take sides on it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Sat Jul 19 01:29:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49912 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2003 08:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2003 08:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 08:29:24 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6J8TLY06738; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:29:21 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:29:21 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A reminder to Mr. Richards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, amstereorules wrote: > >which we describe as "pigs with their snouts in the trough". > This is very insulting to all Americans; Mr. Moderator care to > respond? I do not want to read such garbage on AM stereo forum. Mario - you, unlike me, are very anonymous - and that is your choice. My comment, a very common one in Oz, was nothing to do with "all Americans". It was to do with those with connections to iBiquity. I hate the way that radio broadcasting seems to be progressively taken out of the hands of the people who love it and put in the hands of people with money. Beancounters. We have to realise that the radio spectrum is finite. Therefore it has to be regulated (unlike other industries). It has to be treated differently. There are so many people/groups who would "kill" to lovingly operate a radio station. It would be nice if all those connected with iBiquity had a genuine love of radio. I expect Kerry and Tom do. And they're doing what they beleive is a great adventure at WOR. Good on them! But it seems to me too much of what I've read and heard about this consortium is all about money and power. Nobody connected with iBiquity even seems game enough to constructively criticise IBOC. Three people got the flick this past week. Is it any wonder that people in the iBiquity consortium are precious in what they publicly say? And we are the losers ... > >Obviously DAB is superior - and it works! > Ask Canadians how many DAB recievers were purchased. Who > cares if it's superior, consumers vote with their pocketbooks. > Look at Beta vs VHS, cassette vs 8-track, on and on. ... As IBOC John would say "could you please supply examples of what you mean by this remark?" - of course IBOC John doesn't get many answers. > > It seems to me the US is going for its own inferior system - just > >like it did with NTSC television. > Another insult. Do you want me to insult you? Not really - but go ahead if it makes you feel better. You could certainly insult Australia - you could start off with asylum seekers locked up in detention centres for four years - and I'd agree with you! And there's heaps of other things I hate about what we're doing here. But some of us try to make things better. I will say something to Amy. We got PAL TV in 1956 (not 1958) and it was said to be the best in the world - and much better than NTSC. I'm not technical - so I wouldn't know. Maybe we were brainwashed by our parliamentarians of the day. But from everything I've heard since - people seem to say that the average Aussie TV picture is sharper than the average American TV picture. I may well be wrong. Mario - I wish you would come out of your anonimity and tell us where you live - and what are your favourite stations, etc. We don't need a name and street address. I come from Melbourne - a city of which I'm truly proud. But that doesn't stop me knocking the local Port Phillip City Council, the Victorian government, or the Australian government when needs be. And it doesn't stop me - with what our federal govt is doing at the moment - being momentarily "ashamed of being Australian". I am! And it is sad. We have to fight for what we believe in. I don't believe the majority of those at iBiquity are telling us the truth. And I have said why. I was not knocking America. AM Stereo forever! Ian Melbourne From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sat Jul 19 05:38:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56741 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2003 12:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2003 12:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.173) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 12:38:54 -0000 Received: from user-273.wfd20.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.113.17] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19dqzF-0008EX-Vu for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:38:54 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:37:55 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo around the world. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Dave, I did not think Ray Anderson and his group had a 400Kw AM transmission system yet. Am I correct in that the license allows 400Kw erp utilising a directional array? Saying that even a new 50Kw TX will cost them in the region of $250K USD and that is not 'chicken feed'. I visited several AM sites in Holland plus the Communicator ship in Ijmuiden the weekend before last. Did not find the 675KHz site which Arrow are currently using. I wish them all the very best. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Jul 19 06:43:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77345 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2003 13:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2003 13:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 13:43:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2003 13:43:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:43:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo around the world. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 841 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.60.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Dave, > > I did not think Ray Anderson and his group had a 400Kw AM transmission > system yet. They were testing for a short time yesterday and also on Thursday. No idea what tx power etc Am I correct in that the license allows 400Kw erp utilising > a directional array? Saying that even a new 50Kw TX will cost them in > the region of $250K USD and that is not 'chicken feed'. Not sure. I thought they were going to use the existing 400kw tx ? > I visited several AM sites in Holland plus the Communicator ship in > Ijmuiden the weekend before last. Did not find the 675KHz site which > Arrow are currently using. > > I wish them all the very best. So do I > Philip de Cadenet > Transmitters 'R' Us > http://www.transmittersrus.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jul 19 08:09:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32315 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2003 15:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2003 15:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 15:09:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2003 15:09:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:09:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: overmodulation follies Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 960 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW First of all 125% positive modulation is NOT over modulation. Trying to push negative modulation over 100% is. 125 % positive modulation is not splattering unless the transmitter is horridly maladjusted and is not capable of doing this regularly. The DX series and newer DX series can do FAR more than this, but I don't know how much. Many years ago some of the 5 KW stations bought 10 KW transmitters and operated the RF sections at 5 KW with the modulators at 10KW with 200% positive modulation, so they sounded a lot louder than the 50 KW ones. And with the advent of multiband processing, and often pushing an older transmitter ( maybe with weak tubes) well beyond its limits came the 125% rule. A diode detector starts to get distorted somewhat about 150%. Sync detectors don't. Some of the AM hams have run positives of 400% and the audio sounds fine with a sync detector. Powell W4OPW and WKDK ( occasional peaks to 110% on a BTA 1R2) From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jul 19 08:11:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30662 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2003 15:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2003 15:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 15:11:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2003 15:11:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:11:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: the IBOC modulation level issue Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 289 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > It is my understanding that they will have to take over half of the >stations with night-time authorization dark for IBOC to work. Make it 75% and that would be more like it, and that still might not work. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jul 19 08:14:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94519 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2003 15:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2003 15:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 15:14:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2003 15:14:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:14:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WBT and IBOC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 381 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW WBT is on the IBOC list, and yesterday I had to go to Statesville NC with a friend, and we passed right by the WBT transmitter site, and I can confirm they are NOT running IBOC, but not at 2:30 PM and 6:30 PM when we rode through. A rented 2003 Nissan Sentra with an absolutely horrid sounding radio. Sensitive but just nasty AM. It was just unpleasant to listen to. Powell From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Jul 19 08:44:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38219 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2003 15:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2003 15:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 15:44:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2003 15:44:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:44:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: overmodulation follies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 485 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.213 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > A diode detector starts to get distorted > somewhat about 150%. Sync detectors don't. Can you cite a technical reason to support this assertion? I didn't think so. Diode detectors can have problems with negative modulation, if they are not properly designed, but large positive modulation is a piece of cake for a diode detector. I think you are listening to Kevin's theories too much. John From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jul 19 08:53:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83156 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2003 15:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2003 15:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 15:53:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2003 15:53:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:53:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: overmodulation follies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 982 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" > wrote: > > A diode detector starts to get distorted > > somewhat about 150%. Sync detectors don't. > Can you cite a technical reason to support this assertion? I didn't > think so. Diode detectors can have problems with negative modulation, > if they are not properly designed, but large positive modulation is a > piece of cake for a diode detector. I think you are listening to > Kevin's theories too much. ANY negative over 100% is ick. Diode detectors STARTS to get distorted ( I didn't say how bad it was) at about 150%, and in some cases above that CAN be objectionable. This was done with some of the AM hams that were running positive modulation with up to 400 %. I am **NOT** listening to or even thinking about Kevin's theories. I'll keep the baby and throw out the dirty dishwater, thank you. Powell From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Jul 19 15:30:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34865 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2003 22:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2003 22:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 22:30:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2003 22:30:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:30:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: A reminder to Mr. Richards Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1949 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > We got PAL TV in 1956 (not 1958) and it was > said to be the best in the world - and much better than NTSC. I'm not > technical - so I wouldn't know. Maybe we were brainwashed by our > parliamentarians of the day. But from everything I've heard since - > people seem to say that the average Aussie TV picture is sharper than the > average American TV picture. I may well be wrong. > At the time when PAL was developed it was batter than NTSC. They allowed 8MHz channel spacing and chroma subcarrier at 4.43MHz instead of the 6MHz channel spacing and 3.58MHz chroma for NTSC. PAL was able to have a higher BW luma and chroma signal because of this 8MHz spacing and used 625 lines instead of the 525 lines but kept the horiz freq at ~15.5KHz. This was accomplished by lowering the vert refresh rate down to 50Hz and was necessary since 50Hz power was used in Europe. If this wasn't done the PS ripple would create horizontal bars scrolling vertically across the screen at 10Hz if 60hz was used. This is not a problem today since PS are filtered much better but in the early days it was more of an issue. Today although NTSC has fewer scan lines the video BW is compareable to PAL with the use of 3-line comb filters and the main reason for the PAL modification to NTSC was tube based chroma demodulators would drift in their phase accuracy and would need to be adjusted. By alternating the phase on every other line if the demodulators were off then adjacent lines would be off in opposite directions and the eye would blend them together and see the right color. If the phase was radically off then the picture may look a bit stripy. Todays IC PLL chroma demodulators have eliminated the need to use the PAL modification for this purpose and NTSC can fully separate the chroma from the luma with a comb filter which PAL cannot because of this phase alteration. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 19 19:08:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8534 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 02:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2003 02:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 02:08:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2003 02:08:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:08:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: overmodulation follies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1467 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > A diode detector starts to get distorted somewhat about 150%. > Sync detectors don't. Some of the AM hams have run positives of > 400% and the audio sounds fine with a sync detector. Yes, but this is with ANALOG AM. Try running IBOC at 400% modulation and see what it does to the band! The overall point here is, there has been NOT ENOUGH testing to ensure IBOC's compatibility with analog receivers. In all the hundreds of pages of NRSC's latest testing of IBOC, they only used FOUR analog receivers -- I believe it was one Sony boom-box(*), one Technics home receiver, one Ford OEM car radio, and one Pioneer aftermarket car radio. There are BILLIONS of analog AM/FM radios in use... and iBiquity wants to get IBOC approved on the basis of testing FOUR radios? That's like designing tires with a new rubber composition, and getting them approved by the DOT based on testing on four vehicles. Sure, everything might work out okay, but more and more it seems like IBOC is headed towards the same disaster as Firestone tires.... (*) For what it's worth, they used the Sony CFD-S22, which is one of our favorites to convert to AM Stereo. It had the widest bandwidth of the bunch, and thus, always suffered the worst from the IBOC "hash" -- and of course, iBiquity does its best to dismiss these poor results, blaming it on the Sony's cheap design and poor selectivity. Well, doesn't that describe MOST of the radios people are using today? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 19 19:35:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42123 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 02:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2003 02:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 02:35:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2003 02:35:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:35:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WZRC dumps IBOC after only 1-1/2 days! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2226 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Multicultural Broadcasting's 1480 WZRC in New York City officially flipped on their IBOC exciter at 6:00 PM on Thursday, and it was on all day Friday until sunset. However, at least as of about 11:30 AM on Saturday, when I first checked, WZRC was not broadcasting an IBOC signal. I checked multiple times throughout the day and I always heard WZRC broadcasting plain analog mono AM audio with full NRSC bandwidth. Of course I don't know the exact reason why WZRC was not broadcasting IBOC today, but there are a few conclusions I could jump to -- namely, either equipment failure, such as those that have plagued WOR from time to time (in their case, anything from the IBOC sidebands causing the transmitter's SWR protection to trip and drop them to low power, all the way to a complete failure of the IBOC exciter, which took their main TX off the air along with it).... or, a conscious decision to leave the IBOC turned off. In the latter case, perhaps nearby 1490 WGCH and 1500 WGHT could have complained loudly enough about the "hash" that WZRC's IBOC was causing to them, that the folks at WZRC decided to leave it off until the situation could be investigated further? That would not be unprecedented -- when Radio Disney in Los Angeles moved from 710 to 1110 kHz (the former KRLA), they initally wanted to transmit IBOC, but were prevented from doing so by complaints from 1090 XEPRS across the border in Tijuana. So, the "new" KDIS flipped on 1110's previously dormant C-Quam AM Stereo, and now everybody's happy. Meanwhile, 930 WPAT continued to broadcast IBOC all day, up to sunset at 8:30 PM. I drove through much of Middlesex County, NJ today, and the interference WPAT's IBOC was causing to 920 WPHY and 950 WPEN ranged from moderate to severe... and yet WPAT continues to *under*modulate their analog audio, so anybody who actually wants to listen to them will suffer from a much noisier signal as well! p.s. I tuned in 1680 WTTM as well... now THAT is how AM Stereo is SUPPOSED to sound -- fantastic quality and separation! 930 WPAT used to sound like that as well during their nearly TWO DECADES of using AM Stereo (1984-2003)... why can't they leave well enough alone? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 19 20:32:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75148 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 03:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2003 03:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 03:32:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2003 03:32:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:32:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FM DXing Saturday -- FL, GA stations heard in NJ! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1644 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics While in stop-and-go traffic around Noon on Saturday, I got a good taste of long-distance FM reception. I first noticed it when I tuned to channels that are normally blank, but heard strange stations coming in instead. I scribbled down some notes as I was driving, and from the stations I've been able to identify, most are from Georgia and Florida -- and keep in mind I'm up here in New Jersey! I haven't experienced FM DXing that good since back in August 1999 when I was able to pick up a station from *Arkansas*... oddly enough, also while driving! This time, the old Kenwood KRC-8001 radio (with AM Stereo) I was using actually has rather poor FM sensitivity and selectivity, but with many of these stations having 100,000-watt Class C signals (not allowed in the Northeast), I guess the DXing along the East Coast (Tropo? E-skip?) was good to go. It is interesting to note that RDS works great over FM DX... all you need is to pick up the station for a second or two, and it will lock onto the RDS subcarrier and put the station's ID on your radio display, making identification of stations much quicker and easier. (I'm RDS-deprived myself, and now even the one *good* radio with it -- the Radio Shack DX-398 -- has been discontinued, so I guess I'll have to scour eBay to get one.) Now, will IBOC work over FM DX? And how will it deal with when distant stations start coming in and drowning out local stations, like what I heard today? And if digital-only IBOC ever becomes commonplace on FM, will DXing become a thing of the past? These are some questions that only time and experience will answer.... From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Jul 19 20:56:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21007 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 03:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2003 03:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf18aec.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 03:56:18 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.211.134.169]) by imf18aec.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030720035618.JJYF1854.imf18aec.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:56:18 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c34e72$dfc36a30$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} FM DXing Saturday -- FL, GA stations heard in NJ! Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:56:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had some DX on FM here today also..... What did you hear ? Any sign of 93.7 ? Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: {AMSF} FM DXing Saturday -- FL, GA stations heard in NJ! While in stop-and-go traffic around Noon on Saturday, I got a good taste of long-distance FM reception. I first noticed it when I tuned to channels that are normally blank, but heard strange stations coming in instead. I scribbled down some notes as I was driving, and from the stations I've been able to identify, most are from Georgia and Florida -- and keep in mind I'm up here in New Jersey! I haven't experienced FM DXing that good since back in August 1999 when I was able to pick up a station from *Arkansas*... oddly enough, also while driving! This time, the old Kenwood KRC-8001 radio (with AM Stereo) I was using actually has rather poor FM sensitivity and selectivity, but with many of these stations having 100,000-watt Class C signals (not allowed in the Northeast), I guess the DXing along the East Coast (Tropo? E-skip?) was good to go. It is interesting to note that RDS works great over FM DX... all you need is to pick up the station for a second or two, and it will lock onto the RDS subcarrier and put the station's ID on your radio display, making identification of stations much quicker and easier. (I'm RDS-deprived myself, and now even the one *good* radio with it -- the Radio Shack DX-398 -- has been discontinued, so I guess I'll have to scour eBay to get one.) Now, will IBOC work over FM DX? And how will it deal with when distant stations start coming in and drowning out local stations, like what I heard today? And if digital-only IBOC ever becomes commonplace on FM, will DXing become a thing of the past? These are some questions that only time and experience will answer.... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 19 22:55:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95709 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 05:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2003 05:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 05:55:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2003 05:55:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 05:55:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM DXing Saturday -- FL, GA stations heard in NJ! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003901c34e72$dfc36a30$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1048 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I had some DX on FM here today also..... > > What did you hear ? Any sign of 93.7 ? 96.3 WJIZ Albany, GA "Power Z96.3" rap/R&B 100.9 unID Country music 101.3 unID Country music, likely WWQQ Wilmington, NC "Double-Q 101" 102.5 WYNR Waycross, GA (country) 103.1 WAIB Tallahassee, FL "New Country B-103" 103.7 WBMZ Metter, GA "The Boomer" classic rock 103.9 unID, Paul Harvey at ~12:10 PM 104.5 WKAK Albany, GA "K-Country 104" 104.9 unID R&B, likely WFXE Columbus, GA "Foxie 105 Jams" 106.5 WOCY Carrabelle, FL (local baseball game via telephone line) On the AM band, I also caught a bit of 1240 WGBB in Freeport, NY running "Power Line" -- a Christian inspirational program playing secular pop music, with the whole thing pitched up at least 4 or 5 percent, so the music sounded at least two full keys higher than normal! Oh, and I heard IBOCized 930 WPAT taking phone calls on the air... they do NOT use a talk-show delay, but now they have to tell people "turn down your radio!" because the use of IBOC adds its own 8.5 second delay! From alfredot@inetarena.com Sun Jul 20 02:46:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65547 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 09:46:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2003 09:46:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 09:46:21 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust72.tnt16.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [67.227.163.72]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6K9evUr011936 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:45:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: the IBOC modulation level issue In-Reply-To: <1058604074.493.91424.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > Oh, I know that already. But just as being invited to visit Rush > Limbaugh's studio won't inspire me to listen to and/or particularly > care for his talk show, being invited to WOR's transmitter site will > do nothing to change my mind about all the problems and shortcomings > associated with their IBOC signal. Since I doubt they'd let me > fiddle around with their equipment at will, it won't change the way > their signal is broadcast, and thus won't change my listening > experience of how their IBOC signal behaves on the air. The purpose of going to WOR is not to make you a convert to IBOC. What I was getting at was what you described later in your post: that you were able to detect (as demonstrated on one of the airchecks that you posted) off-channel mixing products consisting of WOR's analog audio and IBOC sidebands, while these products did not show up on the spectrum analyzer at WOR. This is an engineering question that I was hoping that you, Tom, and Kerry could work together to answer (and I think that's all it should be--no personal attacks or questioning of each other's engineering skills need to be involved). Presumably, the spectrum analyzer measurements that Tom and Kerry are citing were taken off a RF sample loop on the transmitter, but you don't know that for sure until you see WOR's setup for yourself. From your posts, I assume that you don't have a spectrum analyzer. If I were in your situation, I would at least want to ask Tom and Kerry if any off-air spectrum analyzer measurements have ever been taken. From the IBOC receiver samples that I've heard, I do not like the system because the audible artifacts; this is just my opinion. The bandwidth issues concern me, but from an engineering perspective, I would like to back up what has been heard on various radios with spectrum analyzer measurements. That would go a long way towards giving a conclusive answer about why some people are experiencing IBOC interference problems that are outside of the range of frequencies that the IBOC sidebands are supposed to occupy. Properly calibrated spectrum analyzers don't lie. Alfredo From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jul 20 04:24:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13123 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 11:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2003 11:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 11:24:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2003 11:24:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:24:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: overmodulation follies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2637 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > A diode detector starts to get distorted somewhat about 150%. > > Sync detectors don't. Some of the AM hams have run positives of > > 400% and the audio sounds fine with a sync detector. > > Yes, but this is with ANALOG AM. Try running IBOC at 400% modulation > and see what it does to the band! YO KEVIN !!!! I was NOT discussing IBOC, but our standard amplitude modulation. > The overall point here is, there has been NOT ENOUGH testing to > ensure IBOC's compatibility with analog receivers. In all the > hundreds of pages of NRSC's latest testing of IBOC, they only used > FOUR analog receivers -- I believe it was one Sony boom-box(*), one > Technics home receiver, one Ford OEM car radio, and one Pioneer > aftermarket car radio. Yes, there has been and the answer is NO IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE as it is transmitted on the adjacents and the analog audio's frequency response is then highly restricted and sounds like a steaming pile of brown smelly mud. It doesn't take much too see beyond the facts after the smoke and mirrors...yes the smoke cleared and the mirror is broken. If we IMMEDIATELY *TURNED OFF* *****ALL***** the MW stations and then re-allocated the entire band with digital only signals, it might work....a bit better. Night time, however would be a scare. It might be that WOR might have go to 250,000 watts at night to get coverage out in the fringes and not have skywave /groundwave cancellation due to the poor ground conductivity. > There are BILLIONS of analog AM/FM radios in use... and iBiquity > wants to get IBOC approved on the basis of testing FOUR radios? > That's like designing tires with a new rubber composition, and > getting them approved by the DOT based on testing on four vehicles. > Sure, everything might work out okay, but more and more it seems > like IBOC is headed towards the same disaster as Firestone tires.... Lucent has put out products in the past that worked well in theory and DID NOT work in the real world. No wonder they are in financial trouble. > (*) For what it's worth, they used the Sony CFD-S22, which is one of > our favorites to convert to AM Stereo. It had the widest bandwidth > of the bunch, and thus, always suffered the worst from the IBOC > "hash" -- and of course, iBiquity does its best to dismiss these poor > results, blaming it on the Sony's cheap design and poor selectivity. > Well, doesn't that describe MOST of the radios people are using > today? I wonder what the $5.00 Lennox Sound would do. ah um... Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jul 20 04:40:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17433 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 11:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2003 11:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 11:40:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2003 11:40:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:40:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM DXing Saturday -- FL, GA stations heard in NJ! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1352 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > It is interesting to note that RDS works great over FM DX... all you > need is to pick up the station for a second or two, and it will lock > onto the RDS subcarrier and put the station's ID on your > radio display, making identification of stations much quicker and > easier. (I'm RDS-deprived myself, and now even the one *good* radio > with it -- the Radio Shack DX-398 -- has been discontinued, so I > guess I'll have to scour eBay to get one.) I had a great tropo last night. I have also had good E skip. Note that the ONLY the Radio Shack version ( DX-398 ) is discontinued. The Sangean ATS-909 is what the radio really is and IT is not discontinued... > Now, will IBOC work over FM DX? And how will it deal with when > distant stations start coming in and drowning out local stations, > like what I heard today? And if digital-only IBOC ever becomes > commonplace on FM, will DXing become a thing of the past? These are > some questions that only time and experience will answer.... From what we see with HDTV DX it's a perfect signal or not anything...the not anything looks like garble, or you get nothing. If the signal that is interfering with your local can be decoded, that's what you will hear over the local station. Powell From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Jul 20 11:07:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78614 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 18:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2003 18:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 18:07:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2003 18:07:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:07:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RADLON MEDIA LIMITED PRESS RELEASE / RADIO LONDON TESTS Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3938 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.62.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan RADLON MEDIA LIMITED PO BOX 7336 FRINTON-ON-SEA ESSEX CO13 0WZ ENGLAND PRESS RELEASE 002 Embargoed until 12.01 - 20th July 2003 "RADIO LONDON TEST BROADCAST" Radio London will conduct further engineering tests at 12.00 (UK=20 Time) on 22nd July, 2003 for approximately two hours on 1008 kHz from=20 the Flavoland transmitting site in the Netherlands. The transmitter will be operated at 400 kilowatts with 95% peak=20 modulation using an Optimod 9200 processing. This will enable our=20 engineers to ascertain coverage in the UK. The current aerial pattern=20 produces a figure eight pattern pointing NE - SW and our study will=20 enable us to work on plans to alter the antenna pattern to produce a=20 better signal into our target areas. Radlon Media Limited would welcome reception reports from anywhere in=20 Europe. We are mainly interested in reports from listeners using=20 standard domestic equipment, i.e. Hi-fi units, portable radio's and=20 car radio's rather than full sinpo reports using communications=20 equipment and long wire aerials. Please either post them to the=20 address at the top of this press release of e-mail them to=20 bigl@radiofab.com . All reports will be acknowledged. PROGRESS REPORT We have received an enormous amount of correspondence, mainly by e- mail, many questions have been asked, and at your request, we are=20 happy to give the following progress report:- FUND RAISING Our fund raising has been rather slow. This time of year many people=20 are away on vacation and we have lost a few weeks because of this.=20 However, response has been very encouraging, despite what are=20 difficult times for the radio industry. We now need to start closing=20 deals and this is what our team are currently focusing on.=20 Opportunities to invest in this project are still available with=20 investments starting at =A310,000. Anyone interested should contact us=20 ASAP. ENGINEERING On Thursday 17th July, 2003, our engineers made a full appraisal of=20 the transmitter site at Flavoland on the Netherlands. The site also=20 transmits the Dutch public broadcaster Radio 1 on 747 kHz so any=20 changes that we may wish to make have to be compatible with their=20 requirements. From our findings we can now evaluate the aerial=20 patterns and work on commissioning a full report on the antenna and=20 recommend changes. We also evaluated the suitability of the AEG=20 Telefunken 600 kilowatt transmitter, which is 20 years old and may=20 not be capable of producing positive peak modulations now used by=20 many commercial broadcasters in Europe. So we need to await the full=20 report in order to make our final deliberations. The tests next Tuesday will also give our backers an indication of=20 our signal strength, when engineering adjustments are made at a later=20 date, our engineers are confident that a further 6db of signal will=20 reach the UK. It is also our plan to broadcast in AM stereo (although not on our=20 current tests) and we will watch the progress of DRM, which looks set=20 to revolutionize the AM dial. PROGRAMMING The Radio London & Big L brands will be used to launch our Gold=20 format. Much in attitude has changed since Radio London last=20 attracted a significant audience and the station sound needs to be=20 tuned to current market trends. Commercially, it is important to=20 attract and please an audience, of hopefully 1 or 2 million listeners=20 and not a minority group, so emphasis will be on the music and=20 presenters whilst retaining some of the magic and fun that the=20 original station produced. WEBSITE There is no official Radio London website at the moment, although we=20 are working on this at the moment. In order to avoid confusion,=20 please ensure that all correspondence regarding the re-launch of=20 Radio London is addressed to the contact phone numbers, fax and e- mail in this press release. FOR FURTHER COMMENT OR CLARIFICATION=20 PLEASE RING RAY ANDERSON 01255 676252 FAX: 01255 850528 E-mail: bigl@radiofab.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Jul 20 12:30:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11607 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 19:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2003 19:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41009.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 19:30:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20030720193011.56000.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.86.249.93] by web41009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:30:11 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} RADLON MEDIA LIMITED PRESS RELEASE / RADIO LONDON TESTS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Didja notice the phone number? It ended in 252. Is this perhaps related to Atlantic 252? 73, Jay, N1WVQ WPEP/1570-Taunton, Ma. Mono (for now) newstalk __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Sun Jul 20 13:11:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96801 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 20:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2003 20:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 20:11:38 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c34efb$583daa60$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} RADLON MEDIA LIMITED PRESS RELEASE / RADIO LONDON TESTS Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:12:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude A 600kW transmitter shouldn't have any problem with 125% peak modulation at 400kW even if it is 20 years old. Please keep us informed about their progress. Wonder what they'll use for processing if they do go AMS? The 9200 will have to go. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" > > The transmitter will be operated at 400 kilowatts with 95% peak > modulation using an Optimod 9200 processing. > ENGINEERING > > We also evaluated the suitability of the AEG > Telefunken 600 kilowatt transmitter, which is 20 years old and may > not be capable of producing positive peak modulations now used by > many commercial broadcasters in Europe. So we need to await the full > report in order to make our final deliberations. > > > It is also our plan to broadcast in AM stereo (although not on our > current tests) and we will watch the progress of DRM, which looks set > to revolutionize the AM dial. > From mauricio_molano@latinmail.com Sun Jul 20 13:38:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mauricio_molano@latinmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16469 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 20:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2003 20:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 20:38:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2003 20:37:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:37:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo around the world Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 880 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "mmolano2000" X-Originating-IP: 80.58.16.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113072962 X-Yahoo-Profile: mmolano2000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > Don't forget Spain. As of the early 1990s, there were several C- > Quam > > AM Stereo stations in Madrid, including 50-kW "COPE" on 999 kHz. > > > > I tried to find out more about this, even tried emailing hopfully the > correct broadcaster. How do you know about this ? Was anyone > listening in am stereo in madrid even ?! Nope!. The only one spanish station using C-quam was EAK-1 Radio Popular de Madrid (COPE-Madrid in short). In July 1994 I bought a Sangean SR-66 at the Singapore Airport whith the only intention of hearing how the AM-stereo sounds...Bad luck!: No stereo light. I have never heard this station in stereo. Their stereo operation was before July 1994. The only spanish station in AM-stereo is my Alfredo Lite!!. Saludos. Mauricio Molano Madrid / Salamanca Spain. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 20 15:45:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79292 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 22:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2003 22:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 22:45:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2003 22:45:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:45:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM IBOC / car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1932 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > From what we see with HDTV DX it's a perfect signal or not > anything...the not anything looks like garble, or you get nothing. > If the signal that is interfering with your local can be decoded, > that's what you will hear over the local station. By the way, even the all-digital mode of FM IBOC puts its digital sidebands on the ADJACENT channels. Apparently iBiquity has in mind a scheme where a band full of all-digital IBOC signals would be "interlaced" between the channels. That would work fine as long as EVERYBODY is using it -- but as long as there are still some analog or hybrid-IBOC signals on the band, that would create interference. And that still doesn't answer the question of stations on 107.9 MHz-- they would be transmitting their upper IBOC sideband in the AIRCRAFT band, at 108.1 MHz. How can that be legal?? FM IBOC is rather pointless anyway, because it will actually sound WORSE than regular analog FM Stereo. However, there seems to be a conspiracy to skew the comparison -- most OEM car radios these days are essentially MONO on FM, with no Stereo indicator light and no Stereo separation to be heard except on the very strongest signals. Also, many have a serious reduction of treble response; Volkswagen's current OEM radio seems to have little audio response above 10 kHz on FM, even with the treble knob turned all the way up -- and on weaker signals, it cuts the highs down even further, to the point where it sounds extremely dull and muddy. VW's radios actually have better mid-range response on *AM*, which offers response that's flat up to 6 kHz and then drops off like a cliff -- likely designed for European standards, where few commercial AM stations transmit audio bandwidth greater than 6 kHz. Still, it's better than the typical aftermarket car radio these days, which all seem to think that AM should be limited to a telephone-like 3 kHz bandwidth. From stodd@vippn.com Sun Jul 20 18:06:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97197 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2003 01:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2003 01:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2003 01:06:01 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c34f24$78f5d6a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo around the world Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:07:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Hola, Mauricio. Good to have another country heard from. Please feel free to join the discussions more often. :) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "mmolano2000" > Nope!. The only one spanish station using C-quam was EAK-1 Radio From stodd@vippn.com Sun Jul 20 18:19:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24895 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2003 01:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2003 01:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2003 01:19:01 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c34f26$49a4e240$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: circuit board to give away Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:20:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quite some time ago I remembered Chris Cuff saying that the mono and stereo boards in Delco car radios were very similar and both were used in many different models for many years. With that in mind, I got a circuit board from a Delco AMS radio to give away to anyone who has the time, skills, and ambition to compare it to the mono version so they may document the differences for conversion purposes. Most of the parts on top are the chips, a few discrete transistors, some coils and lytics. Everything else is SMD on the bottom. While I'm capable of doing this project, I simply don't have the time. Everything including shipping is on me. The AMS chip appears to be a narrow body, 24 pin. The reason I'm surmising that chip is the AMS decoder is the presence of a 3.601MHz crystal (not a ceramic resonator or LC circuit) going to that chip. Seems to me the 13022 was a wide body 24 pin, so I don't know what kind of chip it is. Unrelated- Amy, I need your address again to ship you that 833A transmitting tube. I need to clean a few things out of my basement and just want to get it out of here. You can reimburse me for the shipping when your finances permit. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 20 19:16:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5874 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2003 02:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2003 02:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2003 02:16:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2003 02:16:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 02:16:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC news Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4542 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com.... Stay Tuned for End to HD Radio Pause by Leslie Stimson Several sources close to HD Radio development say Ibiquity Digital Corp. is close to a decision on whether it will change codecs -- and that the industry should know something more definitive by the end of this month. Broadcast sources said the company is pursuing parallel paths, still working on improving the performance of its Perceptual Audio Coder at low bit rates, yet also running tests to compare its system using both PAC and aacPlus compression algorithms. Some of these sources presumed the company was trying to reach a licensing agreement with Coding Technologies over the use of aacPlus. Observers differed over whether Ibiquity and Coding Technologies could reach an agreement that made business sense for both companies. Even if they did, said observers, unknown at press time was how dropping in a new codec might affect the transmission and receive ends of the HD Radio system, and how long it might take to work out any glitches that might occur along the way. Status quo Ibiquity would not comment on the rumors. A spokeswoman said the company continued to work on a software fix for the AM audio quality. "We have nothing to announce now." When Ibiquity does decide to go public with what path it has chosen to pursue, it must inform the DAB Subcommittee of the National Radio Systems Committee. In May, the group's steering committee temporarily suspended standards-setting activities for Ibiquity's AM and FM system. The group doesn't believe PAC on AM at 36 kbps is suitable for broadcast and has questions about its performance at intermediate levels below 96 kbps for FM. NRSC Spokesman John Marino, vice president, NAB Science and Technology, said, "We have no new information on the future of PAC - whether Ibiquity is continuing to work on improvements to PAC, or whether they intend to implement another codec." Once Ibiquity makes a decision, Marino said, "It's up to them to prove they've fixed the problems at low bit rates. ... They have to prove they've fixed the problem to the satisfaction of the NRSC." There would be more steps with the NRSC after that. "If they do switch, or if they tweak PAC, they would have to come back to the working group with another series of audio test results," said Milford Smith, Chairman of the NRSC DAB Subcommittee. "It was always in the evaluation plan, they'd have to re-run the tests (with the final codec), to make sure changing the algorithm has not negatively impacted the audio system." He said the format of the test has already been developed by the NRSC. The standards-setting body would be looking for Ibiquity to have the tests done with an NRSC observer. Smith said such new tests could be conducted and evaluated by the NRSC "in a relatively short period of time." Ibiquity continued to work on AM nighttime interference studies in June. The technology developer met with an ad hoc NAB committee in June to review test results from two studies: a computer modeling to predict groundwave interference at night on AM and field tests on AMs WLW in Cincinnati and WOR in New York to study skywaves. Ibiquity Vice President and General Counsel Al Shuldiner said the computer modeling report is complete and Ibiquity was still working on the field test report. "They want to see the whole package before they do anything," he said of the committee. Ibiquity hopes to have that work completed by the end of this month. The pause in standards setting has been felt at the FCC, where notifications for stations converting to HD Radio has dropped off, said a staffer. Other companies have taken advantage of the pause in HD Radio standards setting to publicize their technologies. APT is looking for stations in the U.S. willing to use its apt-X compression algorithm to "enhance" their analog and digital audio if they use HD Radio technology. Spokesman Jon McClintock said, "We think apt-X has a place in the broadcast chain." Some radio groups in the U.K. that have implemented Eureka-147 use apt -- X as their codec. McClintock said apt-X should be used farther up the chain than PAC, before the signal reaches the transmitter. "We don't want to compete against Ibiquity. We want to complement them." Since apt-X uses adaptive differential pulse code modulation, he said, it's not a psychoacoustic masking algorithm, and therefore less destructive to the audio, he said. From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Jul 20 22:41:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72373 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2003 05:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2003 05:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2003 05:41:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2003 05:41:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 05:41:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: overmodulation follies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2622 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" > > > wrote: > > > A diode detector starts to get distorted > > > somewhat about 150%. Sync detectors don't. > > > Can you cite a technical reason to support this assertion? I > > didn't think so. Diode detectors can have problems with negative > > modulation, if they are not properly designed, but large positive > > modulation is a piece of cake for a diode detector. I think you > > are listening to Kevin's theories too much. > > ANY negative over 100% is ick. Diode detectors STARTS to get > distorted ( I didn't say how bad it was) at about 150%, and in some > cases above that CAN be objectionable. This was done with some of > the AM hams that were running positive modulation with up to 400 %. It's not clear what you are saying, I assume you are saying some hams ran a transmitter us to 400% modulation, and found the audio distorted when demodulated with an envelope detector, but not with a synchronous detector? That doesn't explain why an envelope detector should distort, and it isn't even a valid test without a lot of supporting data on the performance of the transmitter and the receivers used in the test. First I would think the audio would have to be seriously distorted to get up to 400% positive modulation with out exceeding 100% negative modulation, but you imply it sounded good on the synchronous detector, so that can't be the problem, unless there is some funny business going on in the transmitter, like it really being a sideband transmitter being run in an AM mode that doesn't really generate traditional AM when it is pushed. Assuming there was no funny business with the transmitter, were both the transmitter, and the envelope detector receiver checked out to insure that there weren't any other performance problems, like asymmetrical sideband response, which would cause distortion in and envelope detector, but not with a synchronous detector? I'm sure there are other problems, outside of the envelope detector itself, that could cause this problem. For it to even be considered a valid test we need more documentation. > I am **NOT** listening to or even thinking about Kevin's theories. > I'll keep the baby and throw out the dirty dishwater, thank you. That sounds interesting, but can you translate it into plain English, so I can understand it, and how does "dishwater" enter into the picture? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Jul 20 22:48:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52282 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2003 05:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2003 05:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2003 05:48:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2003 05:48:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 05:48:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: the IBOC modulation level issue Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1261 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alfredo E. Torrejon" < alfredot@i...> wrote: > > The purpose of going to WOR is not to make you a convert to IBOC. > What I was getting at was what you described later in your post: > that you were able to detect (as demonstrated on one of the > airchecks that you posted) off-channel mixing products consisting > of WOR's analog audio and IBOC sidebands, while these products did > not show up on the spectrum analyzer at WOR. This is an interesting possibility that I missed when I speculated in an earlier message about 3rd order IM in the receiver, between WOR's digital sidebands, and the carriers of other high power stations in the area. But 3rd order IM products in the receiver between WOR's carrier and digital sidebands could create phantom signals in the second adjacent channels. And since WOR's carrier and digital sidebands are fairly close in frequency, any front-end selectivity the receiver might possess, which normally reduces the intermod products of more widely separated signals, would have little effect on reducing the receiver intermod between the carrier and its own digital sidebands. This explanation may have real potential for explaining what Kevin is hearing. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Jul 20 22:53:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41056 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2003 05:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2003 05:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2003 05:53:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2003 05:53:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 05:53:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: overmodulation follies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 696 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > > signals, it might work....a bit better. Night time, however would be > a scare. It might be that WOR might have go to 250,000 watts at > night to get coverage out in the fringes and not have skywave / > groundwave cancellation due to the poor ground conductivity. Powell, you are letting your lack of engineering savvy show! I suggest you call your consultant and ask him about this. The area of "skywave /groundwave cancellation" is independent of the power that a station operates at. It only depends on frequency, antenna design, ground conductivity, and etc., power does not enter into it. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 20 23:21:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80622 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2003 06:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2003 06:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12807.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2003 06:21:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20030721062148.53912.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.87.139] by web12807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:21:48 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: KOIT 1260 AM STEREO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics When I was in the S.F./Sacramento area about 3 years ago, KOIT was transmitting in mono, but this e-mail I got indicates otherwise.... --- JimSmith wrote: > From: "JimSmith" > To: > Subject: KOIT 1260 AM STEREO > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:54:57 -0700 > > Hi Kevin KOIT 1260 AM STEREO is still in AM STEREO thay are > C-QUAM now. KHTK 1140 am in Sacramento Ca use to be KRAK 1140 > AM STEREO with county music. Unforchanetly 610 AM is still mono. > And KCTC 1320 AM STEREO still sounds grate!!! ThankS Jim S __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From zebra@strangeanimals.net Mon Jul 21 00:21:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34343 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2003 07:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2003 07:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2003 07:21:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2003 07:21:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:21:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: KOIT 1260 AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030721062148.53912.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1149 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiozebra" X-Originating-IP: 64.81.68.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra No, sorry - not in stereo, but good sounding mono in any case. I get them pretty clearly and they don't light the stereo pilot. We do have 960 KABL at least, and there are two religious stations with fairly poor stereo, I cant recall the numbers. I can get 1110 stereo on a good night (disney in LA) as well. -mike --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > When I was in the S.F./Sacramento area about 3 years ago, KOIT was > transmitting in mono, but this e-mail I got indicates otherwise.... > > > --- JimSmith wrote: > > From: "JimSmith" > > To: > > Subject: KOIT 1260 AM STEREO > > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:54:57 -0700 > > > > Hi Kevin KOIT 1260 AM STEREO is still in AM STEREO thay are > > C-QUAM now. KHTK 1140 am in Sacramento Ca use to be KRAK 1140 > > AM STEREO with county music. Unforchanetly 610 AM is still mono. > > And KCTC 1320 AM STEREO still sounds grate!!! ThankS Jim S > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 15:28:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81980 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2003 22:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2003 22:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2003 22:28:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20030721222804.27746.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.248.72] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:28:04 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sangean 818CS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Can a sangean 818cs be converted to AM stereo? Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 21:26:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97373 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 04:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2003 04:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 04:26:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2003 04:26:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:26:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: overmodulation follies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3173 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" > > > > > wrote: > > > > A diode detector starts to get distorted > > > > somewhat about 150%. Sync detectors don't. > > > > > Can you cite a technical reason to support this assertion? I > > > didn't think so. Diode detectors can have problems with negative > > > modulation, if they are not properly designed, but large positive > > > modulation is a piece of cake for a diode detector. I think you > > > are listening to Kevin's theories too much. > > > > ANY negative over 100% is ick. Diode detectors STARTS to get > > distorted ( I didn't say how bad it was) at about 150%, and in some > > cases above that CAN be objectionable. This was done with some of > > the AM hams that were running positive modulation with up to 400 %. > > It's not clear what you are saying, I assume you are saying some hams > ran a transmitter us to 400% modulation, and found the audio distorted > when demodulated with an envelope detector, but not with a synchronous > detector? That doesn't explain why an envelope detector should > distort, and it isn't even a valid test without a lot of supporting > data on the performance of the transmitter and the receivers used in > the test. First I would think the audio would have to be seriously > distorted to get up to 400% positive modulation with out exceeding > 100% negative modulation, but you imply it sounded good on the > synchronous detector, so that can't be the problem, unless there is > some funny business going on in the transmitter, like it really being > a sideband transmitter being run in an AM mode that doesn't really > generate traditional AM when it is pushed. No these were well designed AM transmitters ( these guys would FRY you if you mentioned single sideband ...they call it slopbucket) to them, and many of them are engineers... Assuming there was no > funny business with the transmitter, were both the transmitter, and > the envelope detector receiver checked out to insure that there > weren't any other performance problems, like asymmetrical sideband > response, which would cause distortion in and envelope detector, but > not with a synchronous detector? YES 4 I'm sure there are other problems, > outside of the envelope detector itself, that could cause this > problem. For it to even be considered a valid test we need more > documentation. Well I don't know about the exact documentation, but there's a lot of good AM ham stuff up on the " AM Window" amwindow.org > > I am **NOT** listening to or even thinking about Kevin's theories. > > I'll keep the baby and throw out the dirty dishwater, thank you. > > That sounds interesting, but can you translate it into plain English, > so I can understand it, and how does "dishwater" enter into the > picture? An old saying. Or it might be bathwater... Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 21:30:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87508 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 04:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2003 04:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 04:30:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2003 04:30:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:30:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: overmodulation follies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1126 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" > wrote: > > > > signals, it might work....a bit better. Night time, however would be > > a scare. It might be that WOR might have go to 250,000 watts at > > night to get coverage out in the fringes and not have skywave / > > groundwave cancellation due to the poor ground conductivity. > > Powell, you are letting your lack of engineering savvy show! I > suggest you call your consultant and ask him about this. The area of > "skywave /groundwave cancellation" is independent of the power that a > station operates at. It only depends on frequency, antenna design, > ground conductivity, and etc., power does not enter into it. I understand that too, but are you saying IF the power were increased from 50,000 watts to 250,000 watts it would NOT help my close in signal ? I'm looking for a more robust groundwave, and in NYC Tom and Kerry need that ANYway, it wouldn't aid in this problem that sometimes starts as soon as 30 miles out? HMMM ! ! Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 21:36:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80837 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 04:36:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2003 04:36:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 04:36:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2003 04:36:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:36:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM IBOC / car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1328 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > FM IBOC is rather pointless anyway, because it will actually sound > WORSE than regular analog FM Stereo. However, there seems to be a > conspiracy to skew the comparison -- most OEM car radios these days > are essentially MONO on FM, with no Stereo indicator light and no > Stereo separation to be heard except on the very strongest signals. Site your evidence on most. As you've said, you've noticed this on VW ones. The 2003 Sentra my friend rented lights ST, and sounds OK, the AM is not. My next door neighbor has a new 2003 Corolla and that radio sounds EXCELLENT on FM, *STEREO* and the AM is sensitive, but not as wide as I'd like. The FM's on the Fords like the Ranger and Escape are pretty OK, and decent FM stereo. GM cars are ok, and some even have RDS. > Also, many have a serious reduction of treble response; Volkswagen's > current OEM radio seems to have little audio response above 10 kHz on > FM, even with the treble knob turned all the way up -- and on weaker > signals, it cuts the highs down even further, to the point where it > sounds extremely dull and muddy. ON the VW. The speakers in the Sentra were ill placed. They Toyota sounded far better than some premium radios I have heard. Powell From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Jul 21 21:47:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95049 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 04:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2003 04:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 04:47:09 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com ([192.85.216.78]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6M4l8I29063 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:47:08 +1000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6M4l7E09225 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:47:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6M4l6b09200 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:47:06 +1000 (EST) Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:47:04 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F470D3@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: FM IBOC / car radios Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:46:56 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 The main problem with the majority of Car Radios today, whether they be OEM or otherwise, is that they tend to blend to mono very aggressively and narrow the audio bandwidth when the signal drops below a moderate level - compared to older radios that had a manual mono/stereo switch. Obviously this is an attempt to mask multipath distortion and static on weak signals, but unfortunately it tends to cut in more than I would like on a lot of radios. I've found the easiest way to get around this problem is to purchase one of the AM/FM signal boosters from the local Radio Shack etc - it needs a 12V supply but provides a 6-20db boost, which is enough to keep the radio in full stereo most of the time. -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III [mailto:w4opw@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 2:36 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: FM IBOC / car radios --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > FM IBOC is rather pointless anyway, because it will actually sound > WORSE than regular analog FM Stereo. However, there seems to be a > conspiracy to skew the comparison -- most OEM car radios these days > are essentially MONO on FM, with no Stereo indicator light and no > Stereo separation to be heard except on the very strongest signals. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 23:34:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47002 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 06:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2003 06:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 06:34:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2003 06:34:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:34:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM IBOC / car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3244 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Site your evidence on most. The "mono-ization" of FM on car radios has been happening for years. For example, I have a 1995 Chrysler radio (OEM by Alpine) that always had little separation and muddy highs on FM. Upon opening it up, I discovered clearly marked stereo-blend and high-blend trim-pots on the tuner board, which were *purposely* adjusted at the factory to deliver this unspectacular FM sound. Readjusting them to open up the treble response and stereo separation on the less-than-strongest signals has NOT compromised its reception of weaker signals in any way. But the car radio makers seem to think that people hate a little bit of white noise so much that they'd rather listen to muddy ~8 kHz mono FM instead of crisp 15 kHz stereo FM with a little static in the background. FWIW, a quick Google search brought up the following Usenet posting from 1995: "There are great variations between [car radio] brands, and the ones that do it right are exactly what FM needs to be listenable in a moving vehicle. Pioneer blends extremely well. ... Other radios are terrible. Jeep, for instance, flips from Stereo to Mono instantly, rather than gradually, a very annoying effect. Especially considering the factory radio flips into mono even when the signal is still very strong. GM factory radios also kick into mono way too early. I've also heard brutal results out of a Kenwood aftermarket unit. Toyota (Fujitsu Ten) is excellent, and their AM Stereo section is the best I've heard. Eclipse (also made by Fujitsu) also gives good performance, as does Alpine and Pioneer. The best advice is to go for a drive in a demo vehicle before buying the radio." Next, a follow-up by the late rec.radio.broadcasting moderator William Pfeiffer: "Well designed blend circuits are fine for the general listening public, I suppose. But I am almost always dissapointed with any circuit that decides for me what I will listen to. I dislike auto- record level, AFC, auto-center-tune, data reduction system (sony mini-disk), automatic color on televisions and I also find blend circuits (even nice ones) annoying. As noted by Dan Stark, GM factory radios are particularly bad. Yet they are in thousands of cars and are rather expensive. Also blend circuits are seldom mentioned in specifications and I have never seen them switchable. The implications are that the factory engineer knows what is best for every listening situation and for every listener. I much prefer a stereo-mono switch. I often prefer a little stereo noise (with separation) than a blended signal. But I want the ability to switch to mono if I like. Almost all modern aftermarket car stereos (below $300) have no switchable mono-stereo and rely totally on blend to deal with the mode of the radio. It is just another step in taking control out of the hands of the end-user, and placing that control in the 'hands' of the device's software. Once you could fiddle with an automobile's carb, distributor and other things to get a stalled car moving. Now all of that is out of the control of the user. If your car breaks, you have to hook up a terminal (only at the dealer) to determine which $150 sensor has broken." From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Tue Jul 22 01:21:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69176 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 08:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2003 08:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.173) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 08:21:43 -0000 Received: from user-456.bbd24tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.249.200] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19esP0-0003n7-8w for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:21:42 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:20:41 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 9100B2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Someone recently suggested that the 9100B2 was no longer in production. Orban's man suggests otherwise: Dear Sir, I am happy to report that your source is incorrect. The 9100B2 is STILL being manufactured. Kevin Clayborn Orban Customer Service Worldwide Sales Manager, Television Products Orban / CRL kevin@crlsystems.com www.crlsystems.com www.orban.com Start saving! -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From oscar@globility.com Tue Jul 22 06:41:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60810 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 13:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2003 13:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 13:41:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2003 13:41:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:41:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM IBOC / car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Site your evidence on most. > > The "mono-ization" of FM on car radios has been happening for years. > For example, I have a 1995 Chrysler radio (OEM by Alpine) that always > had little separation and muddy highs on FM. Upon opening it up, I > discovered clearly marked stereo-blend and high-blend trim-pots on > the tuner board, which were *purposely* adjusted at the factory to > deliver this unspectacular FM sound. IMO I just can't see how it can be determined as factual that how one car radio is adjusted is evidence of any kind of conspiracy, let alone one that has been perpetrated over the years because this sample is 'years' old. I know it is easy to hypothesize the existence of such a conspiracy. The overseas manufacturing industry has been known to misinterpret what's going on in North America with respect to 'interest' trends. As an example, they could just as easily as not, *assume*, that because the industry is turning to loudness as its criteria for success, fidelity and separation are no longer a prerequisite to realistic music presentation. And, in this case is is beginning to prove more true than false. So why bother providing such a useless capability. However, understanding their bean-counting mindset, would it not be more economical for them to take the savings offered by exchanging a fixed R for a pot? Just a thought ;-)) MS From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jul 22 10:43:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21946 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 17:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2003 17:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 17:43:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2003 17:43:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:43:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: overmodulation follies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1713 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > I'm sure there are other problems, > > outside of the envelope detector itself, that could cause this > > problem. For it to even be considered a valid test we need more > > documentation. > > Well I don't know about the exact documentation, but there's a lot > of good AM ham stuff up on the " AM Window" amwindow.org I guess we will have to agree to disagree on detector performance under conditions of high positive modulation. It would be interesting to see how they mangled the audio to achieve 400% positive modulation, the distortion created in that process itself must be horrendous on any detector, unless they used large amounts of carrier shift, then it might work. If they did use large amounts of carrier shift, I could see that might create some serious distortion in some detectors unless it was taken into account in the design of the detector and audio stages, and envelope detectors are probably more likely to be designed in such a way that they would be susceptible to distortion from this cause, but it is not an inherent characteristic of the diode/envelope detector. > > > I am **NOT** listening to or even thinking about Kevin's > > > theories. I'll keep the baby and throw out the dirty dishwater, > > > thank you. > > > > That sounds interesting, but can you translate it into plain > > English, so I can understand it, and how does "dishwater" enter > > into the picture? > > An old saying. Or it might be bathwater... "bathwater" makes more sense, but what "baby" is it that you will keep? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jul 22 10:48:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89498 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 17:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2003 17:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 17:48:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2003 17:48:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:48:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: overmodulation follies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1117 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > > I understand that too, but are you saying IF the power were > increased from 50,000 watts to 250,000 watts it would NOT help my > close in signal ? I'm looking for a more robust groundwave, and in > NYC Tom and Kerry need that ANYway, it wouldn't aid in this problem > that sometimes starts as soon as 30 miles out? Sure it would help your close in signal, your close in signal would be stronger, as would the signal in your secondary coverage area, and also the signal level in the fading zone, or area of "skywave / groundwave cancellation", but it wouldn't help the fading/interference which remains the same, because both the groundwave and the skywave are increased in the same proportion, so the depth of the fading is unaffected. Sure there can be fading at 30 miles out if your station is on 1,600 kHz, and it won't matter if you are running 1,000 Watts or 50,000 Watts, the fading will be the same, but put 1,000 Watts on 600 kHz and you are going to get way beyond 30 miles before the fading starts. John From alfredot@inetarena.com Tue Jul 22 13:23:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77910 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 20:23:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2003 20:23:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 20:23:16 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust193.tnt8.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [67.227.229.193]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6MKHnUr029764 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:21:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM IBOC / car radios In-Reply-To: <1058864752.201.21465.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Last week, I was in Houston, driving a rented Chevy Cavalier. I noted that the selectivity on the *FM* tuner wasn't very good; I could tune 200 kHz away from local stations and still hear them with just a little distortion. There was no stereo indicator on the radio, which seems to be a trend that I don't fully understand. The AM was very narrow and mono, but selectivity was good. Sensitivity was also pretty good, considering that this car had a rear fender-mounted antenna. I could easily hear stations from Dallas/Ft. Worth, San Antonio, and Austin during the day. Distortion was pretty low on both AM and FM. Alfredo From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jul 22 13:55:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61733 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 20:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2003 20:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 20:55:42 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.186]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:54:21 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c35093$a05d75c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FM IBOC / car radios Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:55:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 My 2002 Chevy Malibu has probably the same radio, with CD- The AM is great DXing, but so muffled that you cannot understand it half the time. It is probably that way to mask the whine and ignition noise- altho' not so bad in this car, as the antenna is in the back. I am going to road test one of the cheapo Jensens when dad recovers enough to free up some spare time. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Alfredo E. Torrejon To: From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 16:50:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13138 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 23:50:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2003 23:50:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 23:50:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2003 23:50:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:50:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: overmodulation follies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 382 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 12.93.44.225 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > "bathwater" makes more sense, but what "baby" is it that you will > keep? > John Maybe the little tuxedo kitty that abruptly showed up? Powell From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 16:58:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11931 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 23:58:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2003 23:58:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 23:58:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2003 23:58:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:58:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c35093$a05d75c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2263 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > My 2002 Chevy Malibu has probably the same radio, with CD- The AM > is great DXing, but so muffled that you cannot understand it half > the time. It is probably that way to mask the whine and ignition > noise- altho' not so bad in this car, as the antenna is in the > back. I've driven a 1995 Jeep and a 2001 Ford Explorer and both seemed to have very good suppression of ignition noise and alternator whine. There are various ways to reduce this noise if it is present, but some vehicles are just better than others in that regard. One way to eliminate ignition noise entirely is to drive a diesel car, since they don't use any spark plugs -- but you have to watch out for some of the new high-tech diesel truck engines, as they use electrically actuated fuel injectors which can cause RF interference. (However, my 1981 Mercedes 240D's engine is completely mechanical... once started, you could disconnect the alternator and battery, and it'd run just fine!) Oh... and for gasoline engines, the electric fuel pump can also be a source of RF noise. In that case, it would begin as soon as you turn the ignition on, without starting the engine yet, because the pump runs to build up fuel pressure and help prevent stalling during a cold start. It also depends on the radio itself. Some have better built-in noise filtering than others. Hooking up a car radio at home on the workbench is actually the best test of this. Even when powered by a gel-cell battery, my Chrysler and Delco radios seem to be very prone to AC power line noise, whereas my Clarion and German-made Becker (both late '80s models with wide-band AM Stereo) have cleaner, quieter reception. Older Blaupunkt radios (up through the 3-series, 5-series, and 7-series of the late '90s) also used to tout their advanced noise filtering and "Superior AM Frequency Response", but the newer ones are all absolute rubbish except for the expensive high-end "DigiCeiver" models, some of which have the best FM sensitivity ever measured for an aftermarket car radio -- something like 6 dBf, compared to about 9 dBf for other "high-end" radios and about 13 dBf for other "typical" radios (a LOWER number is better, indicating the ability to pick up weaker signals). From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 17:02:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39660 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 00:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 00:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 00:02:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 00:02:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:02:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: overmodulation follies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2529 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 12.93.44.225 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" > wrote: > > > > I understand that too, but are you saying IF the power were > > increased from 50,000 watts to 250,000 watts it would NOT help my > > close in signal ? I'm looking for a more robust groundwave, and in > > NYC Tom and Kerry need that ANYway, it wouldn't aid in this problem > > that sometimes starts as soon as 30 miles out? > > Sure it would help your close in signal, your close in signal would be > stronger, as would the signal in your secondary coverage area, and > also the signal level in the fading zone, or area of "skywave / > groundwave cancellation", but it wouldn't help the fading/interference > which remains the same, because both the groundwave and the skywave > are increased in the same proportion, so the depth of the fading is > unaffected. Sure there can be fading at 30 miles out if your station > is on 1,600 kHz, and it won't matter if you are running 1,000 Watts or > 50,000 Watts, the fading will be the same, but put 1,000 Watts on 600 > kHz and you are going to get way beyond 30 miles before the fading > starts. Well here with 1000 watts, even non DA on 600 the signal will not be listenable at night. Ground conductivity WAY below 1. WSB has selective fading I can hear EAST out I-20 at 25 to 30 miles. It gets annoying at 40 miles, and after 60 miles it's so bad that you have to give up until you get past 120 miles and the groundwave is almost gone. When I stay in Dawsonville some 65 miles NNE of Atlanta the problem is far less objectionable. When you head out east, you have the influence of the Stone Mountain effect, solid granite...and a ground conductitivity close to 0 ( and like where I live). It's a bit better as you head north. So it would help in the local area if there is problem with close in fading, and would also help take out some of the noise. As for WBT, with their 3 Blau-Knox towers visible from I-77...as you head south toward South Carolina, at night you are in the maximum lobe of the DA. Even so, selective fading starts at 30 miles, and by 40 miles it can be strong. But at 60 miles the signal tends to get extremely variable with selective fading. I live about 80 some direct air miles, and to listen to WBT the Sony ICF-2010 in sync mode is often necessary. I need to drive west out the null of WBT one night and see how far it does NOT go. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 17:12:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28087 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 00:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 00:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 00:12:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 00:12:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:12:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1204 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 12.93.44.225 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: in that regard. One way to > eliminate ignition noise entirely is to drive a diesel car, since > they don't use any spark plugs -- but you have to watch out for some > of the new high-tech diesel truck engines, as they use electrically > actuated fuel injectors which can cause RF interference. (However, > my 1981 Mercedes 240D's engine is completely mechanical... once > started, you could disconnect the alternator and battery, and it'd > run just fine!) For a good while I used a Panasonic RF-2200 as a car radio in my 81 Dasher Diesel when it was new. It worked fine, it just wasn't loud enough. > Oh... and for gasoline engines, the electric fuel pump can also be a > source of RF noise. In that case, it would begin as soon as you turn > the ignition on, without starting the engine yet, because the pump > runs to build up fuel pressure and help prevent stalling during a > cold start. Fords are notorious for this combined with bad grounds. Someone on the AM Window posted his fix for his Explorer. Also works for the Ranger. The problem will show up after a few years..... Powell From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 17:50:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13760 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 00:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 00:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 00:50:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 00:50:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:50:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM groundwave vs. skywave Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1371 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I need to drive west out the null of WBT one night and see how far > it does NOT go. In some cases, though, reception of an AM signal can actually *improve* at night... for example, here in central NJ on an exceptionally good radio I can get listenable daytime groundwave reception of 810 WGY from Schenectady (~150 miles), 1030 WBZ from Boston (~200 miles), and 1090 WBAL from Baltimore (~150 miles). At night, skywave receptions helps all three to come in much more strongly, so that even "normal" radios can pick up their signals with ease. Of course, there's some skywave fading from time to time, but overall it's still better than the weak daytime groundwave reception. I also recall that in the Harrisburg, PA area, all of the big 50 kW New York City AM stations were clearly listenable on my car radio during the daytime -- that's also a good 150 miles away. I could even pick up 660 WFAN in perfect AM Stereo when they were using it. Another unique scenario is in southern California, where the AM groundwaves hug the coast, so people in San Diego routinely listen to Los Angeles stations, and vice-versa. For example, L.A.'s 640 KFI and 1070 KNX both show up in the current San Diego ratings, and 690 XETRA from Tijuana, Mexico (covering the San Diego area) shows up in the L.A. ratings -- and these two cities are over 100 miles apart! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 20:23:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55192 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 03:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 03:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 03:23:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 03:23:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:23:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC "hash" that you can set your watch to... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1338 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Just as they have for the past few weeks, Cincinnati's 1530 WSAI is conducting nighttime IBOC tests. They are transmitting the IBOC sidebands for one minute at a time, every other minute -- just like 700 WLW and 710 WOR did last December. WSAI's analog audio remains fixed at 5 kHz bandwidth regardless if they have the IBOC on or off, so although nicely formatted and presented, their Oldies music sounds especially dull and lifeless, although at least it is free from distortion, thanks to their Omnia *FM* audio processor. Of course, this has the potential to negatively affect reception of neighboring stations on 1510, 1520, 1540, and 1550 kHz. Towards the east, 1520 WWKB and 1540 WPTR will suffer the most, while WLAC and WWZN on 1510 kHz will be affected on wider-bandwidth receivers, as well as various smaller stations on 1550 kHz. WSAI was granted a one-year STA (Special Temporary Authority) to transmit IBOC on 9/16/02, so that means they may continue to transmit it until September of this year. However, WSAI's engineer has made it clear that he is not supportive of IBOC, and once testing has been completed to the satisfaction of Clear Channel and iBiquity, WSAI will resume normal full-bandwidth analog AM broadcasting (unfortunately not in AM Stereo, but fine-sounding monaural AM nonetheless). From rwagoner1@mac.com Tue Jul 22 22:12:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64855 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 05:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 05:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 05:12:51 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030723051249.KBX6930.fed1mtao06.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:12:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:12:53 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC "hash" that you can set your watch to... Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <501B38C0-BCCC-11D7-B604-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner As opposed to iBiquity claiming that the typical radio would not hear the sidebands and that the 5 KHz cutoff wouldn't matter to most listeners, perhaps one approach is to call the stations doing the testing and ask why they suddenly sound so awful? If the owners/managers/etc. know that they are already losing listeners, maybe that will make a difference. On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 08:23 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > Just as they have for the past few weeks, Cincinnati's 1530 WSAI is > conducting nighttime IBOC tests. They are transmitting the IBOC > sidebands for one minute at a time, every other minute -- just like > 700 WLW and 710 WOR did last December. > > WSAI's analog audio remains fixed at 5 kHz bandwidth regardless if > they have the IBOC on or off, so although nicely formatted and > presented, their Oldies music sounds especially dull and lifeless, > although at least it is free from distortion, thanks to their Omnia > *FM* audio processor. > > Of course, this has the potential to negatively affect reception of > neighboring stations on 1510, 1520, 1540, and 1550 kHz. Towards the > east, 1520 WWKB and 1540 WPTR will suffer the most, while WLAC and > WWZN on 1510 kHz will be affected on wider-bandwidth receivers, as > well as various smaller stations on 1550 kHz. > > WSAI was granted a one-year STA (Special Temporary Authority) to > transmit IBOC on 9/16/02, so that means they may continue to transmit > it until September of this year. However, WSAI's engineer has made > it clear that he is not supportive of IBOC, and once testing has > been completed to the satisfaction of Clear Channel and iBiquity, > WSAI will resume normal full-bandwidth analog AM broadcasting > (unfortunately not in AM Stereo, but fine-sounding monaural AM > nonetheless). > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge & refill kit orders to US & > Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, > Lexmark & more. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 22:37:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19708 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 05:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 05:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 05:37:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 05:37:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:37:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC "hash" that you can set your watch to... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <501B38C0-BCCC-11D7-B604-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1078 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.249 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > As opposed to iBiquity claiming that the typical radio would not hear > the sidebands and that the 5 KHz cutoff wouldn't matter to most > listeners, perhaps one approach is to call the stations doing the > testing and ask why they suddenly sound so awful? If the > owners/managers/etc. know that they are already losing listeners, maybe > that will make a difference. I believe Richard has made a great suggestion, here! It may be best for those angered at the stations using IBOC for using it, if a polite letter that NEVER mentions any awareness of IBOC, to ask why7 the station sounds so poor and why there's so much noice on either side of the station's fre4quency. This should tell them that people ARE noticing, and not pleased with what they hear. Now, if more people wrote AM stereo stations to tell them they sound great in stereo, without ever mentioning they know what "AM sterep" is, perhaps more would be inclined to keep the pilot li9ght on. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 22:45:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75188 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 05:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 05:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 05:45:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 05:45:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:45:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC "hash" that you can set your watch to... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <501B38C0-BCCC-11D7-B604-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 517 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As opposed to iBiquity claiming that the typical radio would not > hear the sidebands and that the 5 KHz cutoff wouldn't matter to > most listeners, perhaps one approach is to call the stations doing > the testing and ask why they suddenly sound so awful? If the > owners/managers/etc. know that they are already losing listeners, > maybe that will make a difference. Definitely.... and before anyone catches my misstatement, it is WLW that is using the Omnia-FM processor... I'm not sure what WSAI is using. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Jul 22 22:52:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42488 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 05:52:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 05:52:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 05:52:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 05:52:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:52:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC "hash" that you can set your watch to... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 848 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.152.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: >their Oldies music sounds especially dull and lifeless, > although at least it is free from distortion, thanks to their Omnia > *FM* audio processor. They are *not* using an FM processor on the air. The Omnia audio processor is the AM version of the popular FM processor. While the foundations may be similar, the clipper in the Omnia FM processor is incompatable with the modulation needs of AM radio. As far as the music, it is noticeable that the audio is limited in bandwidth, but, the audio is quite dense and hardly lifeless. > Of course, this has the potential to negatively affect reception of > neighboring stations on 1510, 1520, 1540, and 1550 kHz. And it has. On WWKB tonight, it was almost like turning on and off a pink noise generator. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 22:57:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51847 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 05:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 05:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 05:57:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 05:57:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:57:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC "hash" that you can set your watch to... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It may be best for those angered at the stations using IBOC for > using it, if a polite letter that NEVER mentions any awareness of > IBOC, to ask why the station sounds so poor and why there's so much > noise on either side of the station's fre4quency. This should tell > them that people ARE noticing, and not pleased with what they > hear. That's already happening, in various forms... I've spoken with an employee of the electric utility company in my area who said that they received a call from a person complaining about "power line noise" that they were hearing on either side of WOR's signal. The electric company told them that it's WOR who is intentionally creating this interference with their digital signal! p.s. The other day, I tuned in 810 WGY and heard interference that sounded suspiciously like IBOC "hash"... but then I discovered that this was being caused by neighboring 820 WNYC, transmitting the sound of APPLAUSE over their analog signal. So, if you're wondering what IBOC "hash" sounds like, think of a continuous standing-ovation level of applause, with enough people clapping that you can't hear the individual claps. It's not quite a pure white noise hiss, due to the modulation of the digital data, so loud applause is actually a good approximation of what it sounds like! From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Jul 22 22:59:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 360 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 05:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 05:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 05:59:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 05:58:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:58:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC "hash" that you can set your watch to... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 494 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.152.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Definitely.... and before anyone catches my misstatement, it is WLW > that is using the Omnia-FM processor... I'm not sure what WSAI is > using. Omnia has made AM version of their popular FM processors, dating back to the Unity 2000 days ftp://ftp.omniaaudio.com/pub/omnia/manuals/ http://hawkins.pair.com/wlw/wlw16.jpg Here is a picture of the Unity AM (now known as Omnia) processor on the air at WLW. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Jul 22 23:00:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21093 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 06:00:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 06:00:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 06:00:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 06:00:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 06:00:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC "hash" that you can set your watch to... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 156 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.152.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: I'm not sure what WSAI is > using. http://hawkins.pair.com/wsai/audioproc.jpg From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Jul 22 23:44:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99222 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 06:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 06:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 06:44:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 06:44:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 06:44:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM IBOC / car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1218 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.182 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alfredo E. Torrejon" wrote: > Last week, I was in Houston, driving a rented Chevy Cavalier. I > noted that the selectivity on the *FM* tuner wasn't very good; I could > tune 200 kHz away from local stations and still hear them with just a > little distortion. There was no stereo indicator on the radio, which > seems to be a trend that I don't fully understand. > The AM was very narrow and mono, but selectivity was > good. Sensitivity was also pretty good, considering that this car had a > rear fender-mounted antenna. I could easily hear stations from > Dallas/Ft. Worth, San Antonio, and Austin during the day. Distortion was > pretty low on both AM and FM. > > Alfredo Well that's my area. If you had an AMS capable radio you would have quiclkly noticed that there are no AMS stations in the Houston area which is weavily dominated by CC, The AMS Killers. They own 8 of the 16 most popular stations, 5 on FM and 3 on AM. At times 820 WBAP can come in quite clear in stereo. The only problem is trying to catch them during good reception when they are transmitting material with good separation since they are now an all news/talk station. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 00:20:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80315 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 07:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 07:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 07:20:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 07:20:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:20:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WSAI audio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 212 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > http://hawkins.pair.com/wsai/audioproc.jpg Is that CRL box I see underneath the Optimod an AM Stereo Matrix Processor, or a Spectral Energy Processor? From a distance, they both look pretty much the same. From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 23 06:37:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79909 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 13:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 13:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 13:37:11 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:37:11 -0600 Message-ID: <002301c3511f$84eee2b0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FM IBOC / car radios Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:37:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JSG- The amstereoradio.com web site shows 1360 KWWJ Baytown is stereo. I'm assuming that's wrong. I didn't have an AM Stereo radio with me the last time I was down there a few years ago. I know that Baytown is one of the 'burbs' of Houston. If not, I guess there's another correction to the station listings on the web site. A couple more as well.....KKDS South Salt Lake, UT is NOT stereo. And there's one missing from the Louisiana listings that IS and has been since 1985. KANE 1240 - New Iberia, Louisiana is indeed stereo, playing oldies. Got an aircheck of them when I was down there. I guess technically they could maybe NOT be now since it was January of 2001 last time I was down there...but they were then anyway. Anyhow..... Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:44 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: FM IBOC / car radios Well that's my area. If you had an AMS capable radio you would have quiclkly noticed that there are no AMS stations in the Houston area which is weavily dominated by CC, The AMS Killers. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 23 06:40:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97360 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 13:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 13:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 13:40:16 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:40:16 -0600 Message-ID: <002a01c3511f$f3658aa0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSAI audio Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:40:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good eye Kevin! I look at that picture, and then look through the window in front of me and I guarantee you its the AM STEREO MATRIX PROCESSOR. It's identical to mine. Michael n WYO From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:20 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: WSAI audio > http://hawkins.pair.com/wsai/audioproc.jpg Is that CRL box I see underneath the Optimod an AM Stereo Matrix Processor, or a Spectral Energy Processor? From a distance, they both look pretty much the same. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 07:44:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92713 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 14:44:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 14:44:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12807.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 14:44:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20030723144429.2686.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:44:29 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IBOC news To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com.... Ibiquity Mum on Codec Plan Ibiquity Digital Corp. declined to confirm or deny a published report that tests of an improved PAC algorithm are imminent. The report also quoted an Ibiquity aftermarket receiver expert as saying the company has not yet made a final decision whether to continue with PAC or switch to a different codec. Radio World has reported that the company is pursuing parallel paths with different codecs to resolve audio quality issues on AM at low bit rates. A company spokesman said, "We're moving forward. We have a plan as to what we're going to do. We'll announce it as soon as we possibly can." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 10:11:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85694 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 17:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 17:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 17:11:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 17:11:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:11:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC "hash" that you can set your watch to... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 657 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > As opposed to iBiquity claiming that the typical radio would not > > hear the sidebands and that the 5 KHz cutoff wouldn't matter to > > most listeners, perhaps one approach is to call the stations doing > > the testing and ask why they suddenly sound so awful? If the > > owners/managers/etc. know that they are already losing listeners, > > maybe that will make a difference. > > Definitely.... and before anyone catches my misstatement, it is WLW > that is using the Omnia-FM processor... I'm not sure what WSAI is > using. I think it's a 9200. I'l ask Paul. Powell From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 10:21:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59629 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 17:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 17:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 17:21:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20030723172155.65489.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:21:55 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WSAI Stereo? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If that photo of WSAI is correct and current, it would appear to me that it wouldn't take a whole lot of effort to have some sweet-sounding 'smokin-oldies' in STEREO broadcast over WSAI? Am I correct in that assumption? It appears to be the Orban 9100 and a CRL ready to roll? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 12:16:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24646 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 19:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 19:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 19:16:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 19:16:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:16:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: speaking of FM DX... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 314 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key while tuned to 103.3 (or 100.3, I don't remember) I heard a cable TV program... that seemed to be originating from Tenessee. Interesting thing was, I could only hear it while my Local/DX selector switch was set BETWEEN the two settings. (this was a few months back, btw, on a Panasonic Shockwave personal radio) From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 12:21:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34662 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 19:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 19:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 19:21:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 19:21:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:21:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM groundwave vs. skywave Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2194 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key While in VA, I have heard WFAN, WABC, and WCBS from Fredericksburg, VA, and maybe as far as Richmond. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I need to drive west out the null of WBT one night and see how far > > it does NOT go. > > In some cases, though, reception of an AM signal can actually > *improve* at night... for example, here in central NJ on an > exceptionally good radio I can get listenable daytime groundwave > reception of 810 WGY from Schenectady (~150 miles), 1030 WBZ from > Boston (~200 miles), and 1090 WBAL from Baltimore (~150 miles). > > At night, skywave receptions helps all three to come in much more > strongly, so that even "normal" radios can pick up their signals > with ease. Of course, there's some skywave fading from time to > time, but overall it's still better than the weak daytime groundwave > reception. > > I also recall that in the Harrisburg, PA area, all of the big 50 kW > New York City AM stations were clearly listenable on my car radio > during the daytime -- that's also a good 150 miles away. I could > even pick up 660 WFAN in perfect AM Stereo when they were using it. > > Another unique scenario is in southern California, where the AM > groundwaves hug the coast, so people in San Diego routinely listen to > Los Angeles stations, and vice-versa. For example, L.A.'s 640 KFI > and 1070 KNX both show up in the current San Diego ratings, and 690 > XETRA from Tijuana, Mexico (covering the San Diego area) shows up in > the L.A. ratings -- and these two cities are over 100 miles apart! Also from San Diego coastal areas, the 1,000-watt graveyarders from Santa Barbara (1340 and 1490 come to mind for example) come in fairly strong, sometimes even strong enough to make them listenable at night when you're right on the beach or near it. I can even hear them during the day with a good radio 15-20 miles inland, in El Cajon. Another small one I listen to that normally wouldn't go that distance is 1280 KFRN from Long Beach. Also, one that I get from the northeast over mountains, and that has a directional pattern directed not quite to where I am, is 970 KNWZ from Coachella. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 16:59:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86141 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 23:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 23:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 23:59:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 23:59:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:59:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stunning defeat for the FCC! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 346 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.249 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie In a stunning approriations vote with an amendment to roll back the new FCC rules, the FCC was defeated with a 400 to 21 vote against the FCC's media ownersahip regulation that was passed in June. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story&cid=514&e=6&u=/ap/20030723/ap_on_go_ot/media_ownership_25 (Cut & paste as usual.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Wed Jul 23 17:25:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40674 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 00:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 00:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 00:25:12 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c3517a$48f54780$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 9100B2 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:26:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I couldn't be happier to have been wrong! :) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:20 AM Subject: {AMSF} 9100B2 > Someone recently suggested that the 9100B2 was no longer in production. > Orban's man suggests otherwise: > > Dear Sir, > > I am happy to report that your source is incorrect. The 9100B2 is STILL > being manufactured. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 19:02:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39773 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 02:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 02:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 02:02:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2003 02:02:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:02:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WSAI Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030723172155.65489.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > If that photo of WSAI is correct and current, it would appear to me that it > wouldn't take a whole lot of effort to have some sweet- sounding 'smokin-oldies' > in STEREO broadcast over WSAI? Am I correct in that assumption? It appears to > be the Orban 9100 and a CRL ready to roll? Paul Jellison says there will be no AM stereo on WSAI. He's the corporate engineering director. Powell From dougharding@mindspring.com Wed Jul 23 19:06:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11824 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 02:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 02:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 02:06:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2003 02:06:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:06:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM groundwave vs. skywave Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 295 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.193.222 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I need to drive west out the null of WBT one night and see how far > > > it does NOT go. WBT comes in great at night here in Miami however the stereo indicator does not light on my Fanfare. Are they in stereo? From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 19:23:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16522 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 02:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 02:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 02:23:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20030724022345.515.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.248.72] by web41207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:23:45 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sydney AM ABC tx's testing digital?"Got this off a MW AM Site" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Note: forwarded message attached. Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 20:40:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78813 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 03:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 03:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 03:40:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2003 03:40:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 03:40:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WSAI Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 618 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Paul Jellison says there will be no AM stereo on WSAI. He's the > corporate engineering director. My question is, has 1530 in Cincinnati (as WSAI or previously as WCKY) *ever* been in AM Stereo? I've had an AM Stereo radio since 1995 and I've never heard them in Stereo, and despite various rumors that they may have been transmitting a C-Quam pilot tone (with mono audio), I never experienced that either -- except for the time last year when some daytimer on 1530 kHz was keeping their transmitter on at night, and the mix of slightly offset carriers caused some receivers to "false" into Stereo mode. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 20:52:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80388 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 03:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 03:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 03:52:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2003 03:52:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 03:52:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: am stereo in southern CA? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key specifically that puts a good signal into El Cajon area? ones I can get are KNX 1070, KABC 790, and (weak) KFRN 1280. At night add KDIS 1110, on my recently acquired Sony SRF-42. Anyone know of other stereo stations that have true separation? From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Jul 23 21:16:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90585 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 04:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 04:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 04:16:29 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.162.239c9c96 (4246) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <162.239c9c96.2c50b796@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:16:22 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ibiquity should GIVE UP on IBOC and GO OUT OF BUSINESS. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Jul 23 21:16:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84235 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 04:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 04:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 04:16:36 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1aa.17cf9b2b (4246) for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1aa.17cf9b2b.2c50b794@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:16:20 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM groundwave vs. skywave To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WBT operated in Kahn AM Stereo...never in C-QUAM. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 22:48:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91787 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 05:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 05:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 05:48:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2003 05:48:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 05:47:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am stereo in southern CA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.239 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > specifically that puts a good signal into El Cajon area? > > ones I can get are KNX 1070, KABC 790, and (weak) KFRN 1280. At night > add KDIS 1110, on my recently acquired Sony SRF-42. > > Anyone know of other stereo stations that have true separation? You should be able to get 1650 KFOX of Torrance (Korean programming) as well. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Jul 24 02:18:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62318 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 09:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 09:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 09:18:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2003 09:18:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:18:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am stereo in southern CA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1050 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > specifically that puts a good signal into El Cajon area? > > > > ones I can get are KNX 1070, KABC 790, and (weak) KFRN 1280. At > night > > add KDIS 1110, on my recently acquired Sony SRF-42. > > > > Anyone know of other stereo stations that have true separation? > > You should be able to get 1650 KFOX of Torrance (Korean programming) > as well. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I can only get that at night, and weak What about 1670 KHPY Moreno Valley? btw I'm listening to a commercial on KNX right now.... advertizing the biggest gargantuan colossal car dealer on the planet other stations I wish were stereo but I don't know that they are include: 540 XESURF, 570 KLAC, 600 KOGO (during baseball games), 760 KFMB, 800 XEMMM (ESPN Radio 800) (during baseball), 860 XEMO, 910 KECR, 1000 KCEO (nighttime - nostalgia)... probably others also but I can't remember at the moment. From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Jul 24 04:25:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11304 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 11:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 11:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 11:25:06 -0000 Received: from storefull-2117.public.lawson.webtv.net (lawson-public-ipmux-1-pip-1.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.22]) by smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 917BDBE1A for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 04:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2117.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA16952; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 04:25:06 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQTsm7nIhiYE2V74B7XrTtr3OGXFAIUS+4veIShhfEyJ8ALs7Yo7u7Tjqo= Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 06:25:06 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 793 Message-ID: <27423-3F1FC212-2833@storefull-2117.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 24 Jul 2003 09:22:18 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Yes, once upon a time the Cincinnati station on 1530 WAS stereo, this was maybe 10 years ago, I think it may of been on the WSAI calls, I am not sure, BUT I remember getting them in stereo on the Chrysler car radio one evening, driving down 42nd street in Omaha, Nebraska , I was really surprised to be getting them at 8 , 8:30 in the evening, Never have heard them since then and it WAS ((( AM STEREO))) !! :) Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Jul 24 04:37:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33419 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 11:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 11:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.120) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 11:37:58 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-002scfairp0438.dialsprint.net ([63.184.201.184] helo=earthlink.net) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19feQ1-0005Pn-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 04:37:57 -0700 Message-ID: <3F1FC517.2E791E5E@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:37:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM groundwave vs. skywave References: From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WBT booms into Tampa at night also. Dick W. douglasharding wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > > I need to drive west out the null of WBT one night and see how far > > > > it does NOT go. > > WBT comes in great at night here in Miami however the stereo indicator > does not light on my Fanfare. Are they in stereo? > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Jul 24 09:00:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21280 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 16:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 16:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 16:00:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2003 16:00:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:00:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: overmodulation follies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1592 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > Sure there can be fading at 30 miles out if your station is on > > 1,600 kHz, and it won't matter if you are running 1,000 Watts or > > 50,000 Watts, the fading will be the same, but put 1,000 Watts on > > 600 kHz and you are going to get way beyond 30 miles before the > > fading starts. > > Well here with 1000 watts, even non DA on 600 the signal will not be > listenable at night. Ground conductivity WAY below 1. Well I did say in an earlier post that while the distance to the fading zone was not dependent on power, the actual distance was dependent on other factors, like antenna design, frequency, and * ground conductivity*. > WSB has selective fading I can hear EAST out I-20 at 25 to 30 miles. > It gets annoying at 40 miles, and after 60 miles it's so bad that > you have to give up until you get past 120 miles and the groundwave > is almost gone. When I stay in Dawsonville some 65 miles NNE of > Atlanta the problem is far less objectionable. When you head out > east, you have the influence of the Stone Mountain effect, solid > granite...and a ground conductitivity close to 0 ( and like where I > live). It's a bit better as you head north. I have often wondered if the ground conductivity was actually 0, then ignoring the ground susceptance (SP?), it would be sort of like outer space (free space) and propagation ought to be really, really, good, with no ground attenuation at all! John From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 24 09:07:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60988 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 16:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 16:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 16:07:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2003 16:07:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:07:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM groundwave vs. skywave Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.87 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "douglasharding" wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > > I need to drive west out the null of WBT one night and see how far > > > > it does NOT go. > > WBT comes in great at night here in Miami however the stereo indicator > does not light on my Fanfare. Are they in stereo? NO haven't been in years. Powell (80 miles south of WBT's transmitter site ) From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 24 09:09:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30760 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 16:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 16:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 16:09:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2003 16:09:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:09:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <162.239c9c96.2c50b796@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 210 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.87 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Ibiquity should GIVE UP on IBOC and GO OUT OF BUSINESS. And the chance of this happening is an ICE cube ***NOT*** melting in hell.... Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 24 09:14:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47808 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 16:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 16:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 16:14:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2003 16:14:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:14:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: overmodulation follies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 791 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.87 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > I have often wondered if the ground conductivity was actually 0, then > ignoring the ground susceptance (SP?), it would be sort of like outer > space (free space) and propagation ought to be really, really, good, > with no ground attenuation at all! > John I don't know, but none of the Atlanta area AM's have any good coverage. Even up in the Toccoa area where the chart says the ground conductivity is a 2, it's actually around 0.1 as measured by the consultant. When I ran 200+ feet of wire out in my friends yard, I barely got any decent AM daytime reception. I thought something was wrong with the radio. It was the poor conductivity. I do get decent skywave from there from other places.... Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 24 09:45:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59146 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 16:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 16:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 16:45:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2003 16:45:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:45:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am stereo in southern CA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 515 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.239 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: =snip= > other stations I wish were stereo but I don't know that they are include: > 540 XESURF, 570 KLAC, 600 KOGO (during baseball games), 760 KFMB, I can confirm the above stations had been in stereo at one time or another, with XESURF (previously XEBACH and XEJAZZ) and KFMB shutting off their C-QUAM exciters as recently as last year. (I do have recordings of XEJAZZ that a friend made for me.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 24 09:54:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10347 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 16:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 16:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 16:54:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2003 16:54:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:54:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 638 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.239 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > Ibiquity should GIVE UP on IBOC and GO OUT OF BUSINESS. > > > And the chance of this happening is an ICE cube ***NOT*** melting > in hell.... Depends, Powell... Lucent is in economic dire straits, and has been for some time, due to failed projects like IBOC, which they have been banking heavily on to keep their company solvent. Lucent has had a very poor record since at least 1996, so if IBOC goes under for them, fair bet they'll go into bankruptcy protection. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Jul 24 11:53:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47365 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 18:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 18:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 18:53:40 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-6.skyweb.net [66.6.130.134]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h6OJ0ZJN064939 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:00:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3F202AC8.F2CDDF22@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:51:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 9100B2 References: <001101c3517a$48f54780$827dfea9@home1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 BSW has Orban 9100B listed in their New catalog.. that's a good sign Scott Todd wrote: > I couldn't be happier to have been wrong! :) > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip de Cadenet" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:20 AM > Subject: {AMSF} 9100B2 > > > Someone recently suggested that the 9100B2 was no longer in production. > > Orban's man suggests otherwise: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > I am happy to report that your source is incorrect. The 9100B2 is STILL > > being manufactured. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From stodd@vippn.com Thu Jul 24 16:41:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91056 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 23:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2003 23:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 23:41:05 -0000 Message-ID: <004d01c3523d$496d7a20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSAI Stereo? Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:42:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Does anyone have his email address? If nothing else, someone should add that CRL piece to their collection. I've already got one of those, though I'd take another one if nobody else wants it. BTW, this is the only one of the CRL trio that I have. What else do I need to have a complete set? MJR- you'd know. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III" > Paul Jellison says there will be no AM stereo on WSAI. He's the > corporate engineering director. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Jul 24 18:08:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68940 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 01:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 01:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 01:08:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 01:08:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 01:08:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM IBOC / car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c3511f$84eee2b0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2010 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > JSG- > The amstereoradio.com web site shows 1360 KWWJ Baytown is stereo. I'm assuming that's wrong. I didn't have an AM Stereo radio with me the last time I was down there a few years ago. I know that Baytown is one of the 'burbs' of Houston. If not, I guess there's another correction to the station listings on the web site. A couple more as well.....KKDS South Salt Lake, UT is NOT stereo. And there's one missing from the Louisiana listings that IS and has been since 1985. KANE 1240 - New Iberia, Louisiana is indeed stereo, playing oldies. Got an aircheck of them when I was down there. I guess technically they could maybe NOT be now since it was January of 2001 last time I was down there...but they were then anyway. > Anyhow..... > > Michael n WYO I'm on the west side of Houston in Ft Bend Co. and Baytown is on the east. I have picked it up a couple of times and sometimes the ST light does come on in my car but the station is weak in my area and couldn't tell if their was any separation or not. On my other radios I have not gotten the ST light so I'm not sure if they are in stereo or not or if they just don't have any material with separation to it. There are many stations listed in our TV Guide that I can't receive in my area as they are fairly low power and way across town. 1360 KWWJ may well be stereo but from my area it is hard to tell so I'm not writing them off jsut yet. I was mainly talking about the major powerhouse stations in the area that are receiveable in the Major Houston Metro area. It would be nice if our big band/standards station 790 KBME was stereo but they are owned by CC so I guess it will be a cold day in hell before that happens. They used to be a Kahn station when it was KKBQ many years ago. They aren't willing to invest in C-QuAM exciter and I dout if their STL is stereo however their mono signal is fairly clean, it just lacks spatial definition. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Jul 24 18:21:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61085 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 01:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 01:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 01:21:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 01:21:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 01:21:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <162.239c9c96.2c50b796@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Ibiquity should GIVE UP on IBOC and GO OUT OF BUSINESS. > Don't worry they will. They will join the ranks of SCO (pronounced skow) committing corporate suicide over extra ordinarily stupid buisness decisions. Just don't know which will do it first and be worthy of a Darwin Award removing themselves from the corporate gene pool. JSG From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 24 18:36:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25391 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 01:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 01:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 01:36:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 01:36:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 01:36:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 510 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > Depends, Powell... Lucent is in economic dire straits, and has been > for some time, due to failed projects like IBOC, which they have been > banking heavily on to keep their company solvent. Lucent has had a > very poor record since at least 1996, so if IBOC goes under for them, > fair bet they'll go into bankruptcy protection. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Don't forget there's other big money besides Lucent in this deal. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 24 18:43:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43050 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 01:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 01:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 01:43:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 01:43:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 01:43:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 725 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.91 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > Depends, Powell... Lucent is in economic dire straits, and has > been > > for some time, due to failed projects like IBOC, which they have > been > > banking heavily on to keep their company solvent. Lucent has had a > > very poor record since at least 1996, so if IBOC goes under for > them, > > fair bet they'll go into bankruptcy protection. > > Don't forget there's other big money besides Lucent in this deal. Except that Lucent is the sole owner of iBiquity. There are other investors, yes, but it doesn't look good for them. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 24 19:00:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65852 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 02:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 02:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 02:00:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 02:00:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:00:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 755 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 66.112.193.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > > wrote: > Except that Lucent is the sole owner of iBiquity. There are other > investors, yes, but it doesn't look good for them. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ That's true, but there's too much involved to let "it" die. Digital removes control from the end user....that's one of the big rushes to all digital. I wouldn't shed tears to see Lucent and Ibiquity go data bits up. Lucent sold their phone line to Avaya...we have them..they work...that's ALL I can say for the phones...well they don't if the power goes off. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 24 19:26:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29356 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 02:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 02:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 02:26:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 02:26:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:26:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 964 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.91 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" > > wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" > > > > wrote: > > Except that Lucent is the sole owner of iBiquity. There are other > > investors, yes, but it doesn't look good for them. > > That's true, but there's too much involved to let "it" die. Digital > removes control from the end user....that's one of the big rushes to > all digital. I wouldn't shed tears to see Lucent and Ibiquity go > data bits up. Lucent sold their phone line to Avaya...we have > them..they work...that's ALL I can say for the phones...well they > don't if the power goes off. I certainly don't disagree with you, there-- The sooner Lucent's gone, the better off we all will be. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 24 19:54:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16039 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 02:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 02:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 02:54:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 02:54:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:54:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CRL processor @ WSAI / the "Kevtronimax"! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004d01c3523d$496d7a20$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1314 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.141 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > BTW, this is the only one of the CRL trio that I have. What else > do I need to have a complete set? A complete AM Stereo audio chain by CRL would include the AM Stereo Preparation Processor, the Spectral Energy Processor, and the AM Stereo Matrix Processor. I suspect their "Amigo AM" incorporates all of these features into one box. Or, you could always roll your own... right now I'm working on the successor to my world-famous "Kevtronimod" audio processor, now called the "Kevtronimax". It's a multi-band processor, and even despite lacking matrix processing and support for asymmetrical modulation, I have it on the air on my Panasonic AM Stereo generator, and it sounds very, very good to my ears. My first goal is to finalize a "Dynamic" setting for it, with just enough processing to help smoothen out the differences between a wide variety of music, while still perserving much of the original dynamic range. Thus, my on-air loudness is not really competitive with commercial stations, but I can at least maintain an average of 80% to 90% modulation. I uploaded an eight-minute test audio sample of the "Kevtronimax" to the FTP server... in Ogg Vorbis format, it's a healthy 7.5 MB to download, but trust me, it sounds very good! ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/kevtrmax.ogg From dougharding@mindspring.com Thu Jul 24 21:23:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66643 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 04:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 04:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 04:23:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 04:23:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 04:23:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM groundwave vs. skywave Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1aa.17cf9b2b.2c50b794@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 273 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.193.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > WBT operated in Kahn AM Stereo...never in C-QUAM. > Thanks for the feedback. We have no AM stereo here in Miami and so far the only AM stereo I have heard on my Fanfare is my Chris Cuff AM stereo Alfredo Lite. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 02:05:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7167 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 09:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 09:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 09:05:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 09:05:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:05:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am stereo in southern CA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 677 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > =snip= > > > other stations I wish were stereo but I don't know that they are > include: > > 540 XESURF, 570 KLAC, 600 KOGO (during baseball games), 760 KFMB, > > I can confirm the above stations had been in stereo at one time or > another, with XESURF (previously XEBACH and XEJAZZ) and KFMB shutting > off their C-QUAM exciters as recently as last year. (I do have > recordings of XEJAZZ that a friend made for me.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ just curious... where's your listening post approximately? From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jul 25 06:37:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18893 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 13:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 13:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 13:37:06 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:37:06 -0600 Message-ID: <001001c352b1$d6e44900$5401010a@AM> To: References: <004d01c3523d$496d7a20$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSAI Stereo? Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:37:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott and all.....as far as I know and from what we've got, it's not a trio. Just a duo. The other processor I have is their "stereo preparation processor" or SPP. Remember, the station I got this equipment from (KRPX in Price, UT) was set up BY Motorola themselves and these were the two processors they equipped KRPX with. These two and a genuine Motorla 1400 Exciter and the 1410 modulation monitor. The SPP is a basic 2-channel processor that does limiting and equalization and if I recall it can be used for AM or FM because in Price, the FM also had one of these. But that's the two. The SPP, and the SMP (am Stereo Matrix Processor). Sounds wonderful here :) To see a picture of the SPP, click on the following link. This picture shows the exact chain that is still in use on KWSA-FM in Price. http://www.stationengineer.com/CRL_Processor.htm MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 5:42 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSAI Stereo? Does anyone have his email address? If nothing else, someone should add that CRL piece to their collection. I've already got one of those, though I'd take another one if nobody else wants it. BTW, this is the only one of the CRL trio that I have. What else do I need to have a complete set? MJR- you'd know. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jul 25 07:17:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58242 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 14:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 14:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 14:17:14 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:17:14 -0600 Message-ID: <003d01c352b7$725287d0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: More wyoming stereo Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:17:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys Trying to get a couple more pilots lit in Wyoming. I finally found an email address for KKWY 1630 and KJJL 1370 in Cheyenne. About 6 months ago, I was in Cheyenne and discovered that there was a pilot on 1370 KJJL (adult standards) but no separation. 1630 KKWY's pilot was off, but I could hear stereo on my SRF-42 because of its forced-stereo operation. There seemed to be some distortion in one of the channels and I guess it's only audible in stereo, but not in mono....so their turning the pilot off may have been a quick workaround or just the old "oh well...nobody cares about stereo anyway." Anyhow, I emailed their ops manager / engineer. Will post it and let y'all know when and if I get a reply and what he says. Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 07:22:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46212 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 14:22:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 14:22:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12804.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 14:22:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20030725142227.16847.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:22:27 PDT Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: WPAT in New York Goes Digital To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com... WPAT is actually licensed to Paterson, NJ, but details don't seem to matter to Radio World when it comes time to hype up IBOC... WPAT in New York Goes Digital AM station WPAT in New York is dipping its toe into the digital waters. The station is on the air with HD Radio. The Multicultural Broadcasting outlet broadcasts at 930 kHz. [...and 910, and 920, and 940, and 950... -KT] Broadcast Electronics said it has shipped HD Radio transmission equipment to five of that company's radio stations. The others are WZRC(AM) in New York, KMNY(AM) and KAZN(AM) in Pasadena, Calif., and KCHN(AM) in Houston. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Jul 25 08:30:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11616 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 15:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 15:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 15:30:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 15:30:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:30:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am stereo in southern CA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud You're missing our stereo religious talker located on Catalina Island. KBRT Avalon, CA, AM 740. 10,000 watts daytime, 113 watts night. Separation depends on programming, natch. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > specifically that puts a good signal into El Cajon area? > > ones I can get are KNX 1070, KABC 790, and (weak) KFRN 1280. At night > add KDIS 1110, on my recently acquired Sony SRF-42. > > Anyone know of other stereo stations that have true separation? From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 09:16:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18186 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 16:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 16:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 16:16:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 16:16:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:16:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am stereo in southern CA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 220 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amymousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.165 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: =snip= > just curious... where's your listening post approximately? The far northwestern end of the state. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 11:09:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55607 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 18:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 18:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 18:09:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 18:09:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:09:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: also so CA stereo (was Re: More wyoming stereo) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003d01c352b7$725287d0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1396 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Hi guys > Trying to get a couple more pilots lit in Wyoming. I finally found an email address for KKWY 1630 and KJJL 1370 in Cheyenne. About 6 months ago, I was in Cheyenne and discovered that there was a pilot on 1370 KJJL (adult standards) but no separation. 1630 KKWY's pilot was off, but I could hear stereo on my SRF-42 because of its forced-stereo operation. There seemed to be some distortion in one of the channels and I guess it's only audible in stereo, but not in mono....so their turning the pilot off may have been a quick workaround or just the old "oh well...nobody cares about stereo anyway." Anyhow, I emailed their ops manager / engineer. Will post it and let y'all know when and if I get a reply and what he says. > > Michael n WYO > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hmm... that gives me an idea.... I should maybe see if I could find ways to email 540 XESURF, 570 KLAC, 600 KOGO, 640 KFI, 690 XETRA, 710 KSPN, 760 KFMB, 800 XEMMM, 830 KPLS, 860 XEMO, 910 KECR, 950 XEKAM, 970 KNWZ, 980 KFWB, 1000 KCEO, 1040 KURS, 1090 XEPRS, 1170 KCBQ, 1210 KPRZ, 1240 KSON, 1270 XEAZ, 1310 XEC, 1320 KKSM, 1360 KPOP, 1390 XEKT, 1420 XEXX, 1450 KFSD, 1470 XERCN, 1550 XEBG, 1600 XEKTT, and 1630 XEUT, and see if maybe THEIR pilots could light up with some separation.... From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 11:11:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19364 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 18:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 18:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 18:11:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 18:11:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:11:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am stereo in southern CA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 503 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > =snip= > > > just curious... where's your listening post approximately? > > The far northwestern end of the state. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Ahh... Just curious... what so cal stations do you get up there at night? (KNX and KFI don't count, unless they're either fairly weak, or have moderate to severe co-channel interference). From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jul 25 15:56:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12891 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 22:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 22:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 22:56:44 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.45]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:56:44 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} also so CA stereo (was Re: More wyoming stereo) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:56:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit GOOD LUCK! It's gonna be hard. A lot of them are ClearChannel. You'll get the usual run of excuses. a.) AM Stereo cuts down on our coverage b.) Nobody cares about stereo on AM. c.) There's just no radios out there to receive it. d.) We're waiting for the new DIGITAL AM systems to be perfected. C-quam is outdated and not supported anymore. e.) We only have a monaural feed to the transmitter now and mono processing and there's no way management will shell out the bucks for a stereo STL or 2 ISDN or equalized phone lines. You'll see. I bet you'll get at least one of these in every reply :( But good luck anyways. It never hurts to try! Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: pianoplayer88key [mailto:pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 12:09 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} also so CA stereo (was Re: More wyoming stereo) Hmm... that gives me an idea.... I should maybe see if I could find ways to email 540 XESURF, 570 KLAC, 600 KOGO, 640 KFI, 690 XETRA, 710 KSPN, 760 KFMB, 800 XEMMM, 830 KPLS, 860 XEMO, 910 KECR, 950 XEKAM, 970 KNWZ, 980 KFWB, 1000 KCEO, 1040 KURS, 1090 XEPRS, 1170 KCBQ, 1210 KPRZ, 1240 KSON, 1270 XEAZ, 1310 XEC, 1320 KKSM, 1360 KPOP, 1390 XEKT, 1420 XEXX, 1450 KFSD, 1470 XERCN, 1550 XEBG, 1600 XEKTT, and 1630 XEUT, and see if maybe THEIR pilots could light up with some separation.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jul 25 16:00:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71157 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 23:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 23:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 23:00:53 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.45]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:00:53 -0600 To: Subject: FTP site Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:00:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Hi folks Unfortunately the FTP site (ftp.amstereoradio.com) has been hit by hackers again and the hard drive was almost completely filled by some sh*thead trying to upload a DVD movie or something. So I have turned OFF write access from the anonymous account. I will TRY leaving the anonymous account enable in READ-ONLY mode. That will still enable you to post a link to a file that you uploaded and be able to download stuff from the uploads folder or anywhere else using the anonymous account without having to put in a username and password. Meanwhile if you want to upload you'll need to login at username: amstereo and password: amstereo . I'm sorry to have to do this. I know it's a pain in the butt. PLEASE PLEASE....this is for list and group members only. I don't want the AM STEREO account to be public knowledge and it's pretty simple to remember...so if this doesn't work I'll have to come up with some sort of wierd username and password or give out individual accounts. Have folks email stuff to me or something else. Sorry about the lockdown. Blame the stupid hackers :( Michael n WYO Administrator - ftp.amstereoradio.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 16:18:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39064 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 23:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 23:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 23:18:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 23:18:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:18:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: am stereo in southern CA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1143 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.165 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amymousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > > wrote: > > > > =snip= > > > > > just curious... where's your listening post approximately? > > > > The far northwestern end of the state. :) > > Ahh... Just curious... what so cal stations do you get up there at > night? (KNX and KFI don't count, unless they're either fairly weak, > or have moderate to severe co-channel interference). Let's see.. I don't remember offhand OTHER than KNX and KFI, although I can barely get KDIS 1110 and 1580 (whatever its calls are now; used to be KDAY, in Harris stereo), but most others get alot of interference from stations all over the west- Like 740 Avalon is wiped out by 740 KCBS San Francisco, and 790 KABC is blocked by local station KWSW, and 710 is blocked by KIRO in Seattle. Even 690 XETRA is overpowered by CBC 1 in Vancouver. I think I get a few SoCal/norther Mexico spanish stations, but I'm not sure. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oscar@globility.com Fri Jul 25 16:25:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9176 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 23:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 23:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 23:25:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 23:25:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:25:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} also so CA stereo (was Re: More wyoming stereo) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 937 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.52 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > GOOD LUCK! > It's gonna be hard. A lot of them are ClearChannel. You'll get the usual > run of excuses. True, Michael. And until they all begin to realize just how good AM stereo sounds, they have good reason to say just that. At the risk of sounding a tad commercial, you have some great tools in those MP3's that John P just uploaded. I'll bet most CE's don't even know how good AM stereo could sound as good as on those bites. Perhaps when whomever is writing to a potential AM stereo source, they could put together a little pitch on just how good CFCO and WJR sound, and include the MP3 of the "That's Life" cut. It doesn't have to be about the receiver, just about what a good receiver can do. As for the name, that would be optional. There's got to be a stereo service before there's a need for a receiver. My 5 cents worth. MS From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 16:32:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4827 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 23:32:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 23:32:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 23:32:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 23:32:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:32:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} also so CA stereo (was Re: More wyoming stereo) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1672 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.165 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > > a.) AM Stereo cuts down on our coverage Which is bogus. > b.) Nobody cares about stereo on AM. Not many care about stereo, PERIOD, whether AM, FM or even in the music that's bought, downloaded or streamed online. > c.) There's just no radios out there to receive it. Factually incorrect, as the carmakers are STILL putting AMS radios in new cars (although unmarked and untrumpeted). It is true there are no AFTERMARKET car radios, or personal radios/boomboxes or home tuners...at least that's the case in the US. > d.) We're waiting for the new DIGITAL AM systems to be perfected. C-quam is > outdated and not supported anymore. "Not supported"- See above. (Also, nevbermind that there're 300+ AMS stations in the US alone.) As for digital, IF IT WORKS, that's one thing. Same thing if it SOUNDS good. Thirdly, if it doesn't detract from listening, presently. Any sort of transition to digital is highly dependent on loyalty to the station, and if the station sounds so bad in analog BECAUSE of the digital system, it drives listeners away- and you can't carry over said listenership if you drive them away! (Not to mention OTHER stations' listenership, due to interference!) > e.) We only have a monaural feed to the transmitter now and mono processing > and there's no way management will shell out the bucks for a stereo STL or 2 > ISDN or equalized phone lines. But they want to go stereo when it's digital? (Hint: WOR. 'Nuff said.) It's bad enough that IBOC appeats to violate INTERNATIONAL agreements we have with Canada and Mexico! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 16:37:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60714 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 23:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2003 23:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 23:37:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2003 23:37:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:37:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} also so CA stereo (was Re: More wyoming stereo) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 659 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.165 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" =snip= > Perhaps when whomever is writing to a potential AM stereo source, > they could put together a little pitch on just how good CFCO and WJR > sound, and include the MP3 of the "That's Life" cut. It doesn't have > to be about the receiver, just about what a good receiver can do. As > for the name, that would be optional. There's got to be a stereo > service before there's a need for a receiver. Marv, it's people like you that keep the light of hope going for AMS. Please don't ever give up! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Fri Jul 25 17:14:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44544 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 00:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 00:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 00:14:10 -0000 Message-ID: <002b01c3530b$158ccac0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} also so CA stereo (was Re: More wyoming stereo) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:15:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You can forget those stations. The stereo matrix processor I have came from KPRZ. Also, they're both Salem stations, and they don't bother with stereo on their AMs. I'm trying to see if I can get the KCBQ equipment. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > > 1170 KCBQ, 1210 > KPRZ, From oscar@globility.com Fri Jul 25 17:21:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48077 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 00:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 00:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 00:21:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 00:21:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:21:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} also so CA stereo (was Re: More wyoming stereo) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2068 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.52 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" > wrote: > > GOOD LUCK! > > It's gonna be hard. A lot of them are ClearChannel. You'll get > the usual > > run of excuses. > > True, Michael. And until they all begin to realize just how good AM > stereo sounds, they have good reason to say just that. > Again, at the risk of donning my commercial hat, there is a marketing concept that I believe works, and it has to do with those who make the decisions for many of us. They are also a more influential group when it comes to the decision making process and they can indulge themselves in the AM-stereo listening process at a more strategic level. Many of them may have heard of AM-stereo but may never have experienced it, perhaps becasue they weren't listening for it. FM- stereo can be so dull because of its lack-luster processing that stereo is more of a background echo than master of the sound stage. I think if more people up the chain got to know about AM-stereo it would gather more prestige and, hopefully, more notoriety. Unfortunately though, for as long as there is no movement to promote the medium with a more believable example than the Lennox radio, the whole thing is doomed. If you keep agreeing with a philosophy that promotes "cheap", it won't matter, AM stereo won't be available anyway. In a way, the Motorola Chipset has the potential to bring what you want, but I don''t think they are going to spend much time trying to revive what the industry has been told is a dead horse. It's the industry that has to be told the horse isn't dead after all. Rather than having to shoot it, as most of the uninformed are trying to do, modern technology will allow it to be brought back to health and stronger than ever. It's too bad there isn't a broader representation of the radio industry than there is now. If there was, perhaps bringing the AM- stereo concept back to life would be easier. (stepping off soapbox now) MS From stodd@vippn.com Fri Jul 25 17:34:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27192 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 00:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 00:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 00:34:23 -0000 Message-ID: <004101c3530d$e8dd3fc0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <004d01c3523d$496d7a20$827dfea9@home1> <001001c352b1$d6e44900$5401010a@AM> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSAI Stereo? Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:35:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The SPP looks almost identical to the SMP. I wonder if I could use a set of DAP 310s instead of the SPP? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" > Scott and all.....as far as I know and from what we've got, it's not a trio. Just a duo. > The other processor I have is their "stereo preparation processor" or SPP. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 19:21:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97441 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 02:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 02:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 02:21:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 02:21:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:21:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FTP site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 914 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > So I have turned OFF write access from the anonymous account. I > will TRY leaving the anonymous account enable in READ-ONLY mode. That sounds like a good solution to me. No FTP server can be 100% secure, but making anonymous access read-only will thwart all but the most determined "warez" hackers. In any event, I thank you for providing the server for our use. It is nice to have a decent amount of space available for AM Stereo-related files. The CompuServe account upon which the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site content is loaded gives me 5 MB of web storage space, and right now I have something like 4.9 MB of it used up! It's still okay for now, but my ability to expand the site's content is limited. It's good for continuity, too, since that's the same address at which I created the first AM Stereo web site back in 1997. Six years is a long time for any web site to stick around! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 19:36:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44809 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 02:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 02:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 02:36:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 02:36:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:36:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo myths Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1181 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Factually incorrect, as the carmakers are STILL putting AMS radios > in new cars (although unmarked and untrumpeted). It is true there > are no AFTERMARKET car radios, or personal radios/boomboxes or home > tuners...at least that's the case in the US. If you're talking about "consumer-grade" receivers, that's correct. In the "high-end" genre, however, there are several models with AM Stereo, including the Fanfare FTA-100P, the ADA MT-3000, and the Potomac SMR-11. The JRC NRD-545 DSP communications receiver also has AM Stereo. It's also important to remember the large number of radios, old and new, with high-quality AM MONO. iBiquity is trying to brainwash everybody into thinking that no radio has an audio response greater than 3 or 4 kHz on AM, but there ARE many which are far better, and are easy to find and affordable too. Of course there's the GE Superadio III and its Radio Shack "Optimus" clone, while Philips- Magnavox radios have exceptionally good AM tuners, as well as various models by Aiwa, Sony, and various other brands -- all the way down to the least expensive radio sold in the USA today, the $5.00 Lennox Sound "AM/FM Sports Radio". From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 20:03:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65994 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 03:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 03:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 03:03:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 03:03:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:03:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Salem stations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002b01c3530b$158ccac0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 909 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.144 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Also, they're both Salem stations, and they don't bother with > stereo on their AMs. Not that infomercials would sound that much better in Stereo anyway! Fair play to Salem for keeping legendary Top 40 stations like 570 WMCA, 970 WWDJ, and 560 WFIL going with the original call letters, but these are all very lucrative stations, so couldn't they not rely so heavily upon informercials to fill up the air-time? At least the WMCA transmitter site in the NJ Meadowlands is pretty to look at... I don't know if they light them up anymore, but the classic "w m c a" neon letters are still on the transmitter shack, and I believe WMCA's towers date back to the '40s or '50s. That's still only my second-favorite, though, as compared to 930 WPAT's site, with beautiful "top-hatted" towers that are now unfortunately being used to generate an IBOC signal: http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/wttm/wpat.html From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 20:13:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23009 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 03:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 03:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 03:13:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 03:13:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:13:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo myths Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 915 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.165 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Factually incorrect, as the carmakers are STILL putting AMS radios > > in new cars (although unmarked and untrumpeted). It is true there > > are no AFTERMARKET car radios, or personal radios/boomboxes or home > > tuners...at least that's the case in the US. > > If you're talking about "consumer-grade" receivers, that's correct. > In the "high-end" genre, however, there are several models with > AM Stereo, including the Fanfare FTA-100P, the ADA MT-3000, and the > Potomac SMR-11. The JRC NRD-545 DSP communications receiver also has > AM Stereo. Quite correct- I did forget to address the high-end receivers, but you also forgot something that is closely-related: Handmade AM stereo receivers, like Chris Cuff's radios and the homebrew experimental receivers like what I have been trying to encourage. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 21:50:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27084 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 04:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 04:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 04:50:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 04:50:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 04:50:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo myths Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 628 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.165 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: =snip= > Quite correct- I did forget to address the high-end receivers, but > you also forgot something that is closely-related: Handmade AM stereo > receivers, like Chris Cuff's radios and the homebrew experimental > receivers like what I have been trying to encourage. Speaking of, I don't think I have eactually heard any homemade AMS receivers, except maybe from some of the Japanese MP3s, but I am not sure. Or if anybody had done stereo DXing with the NRD-545, which shortwave in stereo would be fun to listen to. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 22:32:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70507 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 05:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 05:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 05:32:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 05:32:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 05:32:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo myths Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1040 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.144 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Speaking of, I don't think I have eactually heard any homemade AMS > receivers, except maybe from some of the Japanese MP3s, but I am > not sure. I dunno if this counts, but these recordings were made by using one of Chris's TA8124 decoder boards (his original 1997 design) as a receiver itself, picking up the the signal of my Panasonic AM Stereo generator transmitting on 450 kHz (which would actually make it Longwave Stereo?): ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/iboc/make_me.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/iboc/saturday.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/iboc/ystrday.mp3 Don't be fooled by the "iboc" in the links... I suppose these files of C-Quam AM Stereo are there because I made them to compare to WOR's audio samples of IBOC-mono using the same music clips. But I don't know why "wnsw2003.mp3" is in the IBOC folder... it's a recording of C-Quam AM Stereo which definitely has nothing to do with IBOC. It would be better filed in the "airchecks/usa/nj" folder, if the fellow in charge of the FTP server is reading this. From bjackson@indyradio.com Fri Jul 25 23:02:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 481 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 06:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 06:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 06:01:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 06:01:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 06:01:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: also so CA stereo (was Re: More wyoming stereo) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002b01c3530b$158ccac0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 764 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > You can forget those stations. The stereo matrix processor I have came from > KPRZ. Also, they're both Salem stations, and they don't bother with stereo > on their AMs. I'm trying to see if I can get the KCBQ equipment. > > Scott Todd > That's not 100% true about Salem. I know of at least one Salem AM that is indeed (verified less than 2 months ago) C-QuAM. There's no seperation on the syndicated shows, but the local promos and legal ID *do* have some great seperation. I won't put it out in public since I know Salem is one of those "we don't run stereo" stations, but if you come to the mid-west, there is one. - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - WGLD/WGRL/WFMS From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Jul 26 04:11:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14155 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 11:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 11:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 11:11:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 11:11:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:11:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Japanese digital radio system ?? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 112 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 213.121.69.38 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan A short reference was made about this on Radio Australia's Feedback prog last week. Anyone know any details ? From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Jul 26 04:20:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31670 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 11:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 11:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 11:20:16 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-012scfairp0145.dialsprint.net ([63.189.176.145] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19gN5d-0006gk-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 04:19:53 -0700 Message-ID: <3F2263EC.E4E7EC1B@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:20:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo myths References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Speaking as a non-technical person, a lot of the music today is recorded in multi-track, not just in left and right tracks such as was done in the 1960s and 1970s. Therefore, even though today's music mixing may be technically very realistic, you don't experience the dramatic separation that was characteristic of the older recordings. Ironically, this minimal separation effect in today's music may be a factor in the public's apparent lack of excitement over stereo of any kind. Dick W. Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > Factually incorrect, as the carmakers are STILL putting AMS radios > > > in new cars (although unmarked and untrumpeted). It is true there > > > are no AFTERMARKET car radios, or personal radios/boomboxes or > home > > > tuners...at least that's the case in the US. > > > > If you're talking about "consumer-grade" receivers, that's > correct. > > In the "high-end" genre, however, there are several models with > > AM Stereo, including the Fanfare FTA-100P, the ADA MT-3000, and the > > Potomac SMR-11. The JRC NRD-545 DSP communications receiver also > has > > AM Stereo. > > Quite correct- I did forget to address the high-end receivers, but > you also forgot something that is closely-related: Handmade AM stereo > receivers, like Chris Cuff's radios and the homebrew experimental > receivers like what I have been trying to encourage. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Sat Jul 26 06:04:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14819 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 13:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 13:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 13:04:50 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c35376$bfa1bc80$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Salem stations Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:06:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That must vary by market, because the stations I work at carry only a very few infomercials, and then almost exclusively on weekends. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > Fair play to Salem for keeping legendary Top 40 stations like > 570 WMCA, 970 WWDJ, and 560 WFIL going with the original call > letters, but these are all very lucrative stations, so couldn't they > not rely so heavily upon informercials to fill up the air-time? > From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Jul 26 06:48:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2299 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 13:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 13:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 13:48:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 13:47:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:47:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WDAF Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 130 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules WDAF Kansas City will change format to sports in September from country, and drop MW AM stereo. -Mario Remember, AMSTEREORULES From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Jul 26 07:01:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21540 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 14:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 14:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 14:01:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 14:01:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:01:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Richards Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1401 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules Ian, >Mario - you, unlike me, are very anonymous - and that is your >choice. Yes it is. >As IBOC John would say "could you please supply examples of what you >mean by this remark?" - of course IBOC John doesn't get many answers. I believe it's very clear that the best technological format doesn't always win in consumer's hands. So Motorola is better than HD Radio, but watch us get HD Radio instead, complete with 33.6KB stereo audio stream (33.6 / 2 = 16.8 / 2 = 8.4). 8.4KHZ maximum audio fidelity, when we have 10.2KHZ analog today >You could certainly insult Australia - you could start off with >asylum seekers locked up in detention centres for four years - and >I'd agree with you! Ian, atleast your big enough to criticize your own country. > Mario - I wish you would come out of your anonimity and tell us >where you live - and what are your favourite stations, etc. > We have to fight for what we believe in. Yes we do. One good sign in all this mess is that Motorola introduced a new MTS TV Stereo encoder using dbx this week. Chip number is MC44C401. Radio Shack will begin distributing TV stereo encoders for you and me, so that we ca take left and right audio and put it back on the cable wire, and get stereo from our TV set again. And Motorola's Symphony chipset is still on target for release this year. DSP code was written for the AM stereo decoder. From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 26 07:31:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76757 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 14:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 14:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 14:31:57 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.187]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:30:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c35382$ad6f1ce0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WDAF Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:32:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 And yet another top ratings station goes down the toilet. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: amstereorules To: Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: {AMSF} WDAF > WDAF Kansas City will change format to sports in September from > country, and drop MW AM stereo. > -Mario From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat Jul 26 08:54:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76126 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 15:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 15:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 15:54:48 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030726155443.LTXM7643.fed1mtao01.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:54:43 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:54:46 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: am stereo in southern CA? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7B34E802-BF81-11D7-A968-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner 740 gave up their nighttime broadcasts due to the interference, from what I was told. On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 04:18 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > > Let's see.. I don't remember offhand OTHER than KNX and KFI, although > I can barely get KDIS 1110 and 1580 (whatever its calls are now; used > to be KDAY, in Harris stereo), but most others get alot of > interference from stations all over the west- Like 740 Avalon is > wiped out by 740 KCBS San Francisco, and 790 KABC is blocked by local > station KWSW, and 710 is blocked by KIRO in Seattle. > From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat Jul 26 08:59:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44569 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 15:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 15:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 15:59:57 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030726155948.MVJL7156.fed1mtao08.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:59:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:59:55 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} also so CA stereo (was Re: More wyoming stereo) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002b01c3530b$158ccac0$827dfea9@home1> Message-Id: <335E0328-BF82-11D7-A968-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner KCBQ doesn't even have a permanent transmitter site. Richard On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 05:15 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > You can forget those stations. The stereo matrix processor I have > came from > KPRZ. Also, they're both Salem stations, and they don't bother with > stereo > on their AMs. I'm trying to see if I can get the KCBQ equipment. > From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat Jul 26 09:02:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49745 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 16:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 16:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 16:02:25 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030726160226.SZYS641.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:02:26 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:02:24 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FTP site Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8BF97C1A-BF82-11D7-A968-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner One solution to expand while keeping the same address is to put new/large files on another server with the link to them on the CompuServe address. On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 07:21 PM, Kevin T. wrote: >> So I have turned OFF write access from the anonymous account. I >> will TRY leaving the anonymous account enable in READ-ONLY mode. > > That sounds like a good solution to me. No FTP server can be 100% > secure, but making anonymous access read-only will thwart all but the > most determined "warez" hackers. In any event, I thank you for > providing the server for our use. It is nice to have a decent amount > of space available for AM Stereo-related files. The CompuServe > account upon which the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site content is > loaded gives me 5 MB of web storage space, and right now I have > something like 4.9 MB of it used up! It's still okay for now, but my > ability to expand the site's content is limited. It's good for > continuity, too, since that's the same address at which I created the > first AM Stereo web site back in 1997. Six years is a long time for > any web site to stick around! > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Toner for Your Printer or Fax at LaserTonerSuperstore.com-Save 55%! > We have your brand: HP, IBM, Canon, Xerox, Apple and many more for > less! > http://www.LaserTonerSuperstore.com > http://us.click.yahoo.com/YmQqWC/qicGAA/ySSFAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Jul 26 09:09:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47541 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 16:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 16:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 16:09:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 16:09:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:09:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Richards Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1096 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.161 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < amstereorules@m...> wrote: > I believe it's very clear that the best technological format > doesn't always win in consumer's hands. So Motorola is better > than HD Radio, but watch us get HD Radio instead, complete with > 33.6KB stereo audio stream (33.6 / 2 = 16.8 / 2 = 8.4). 8.4KHZ > maximum audio fidelity, when we have 10.2KHZ analog today Could you please explain where you got that formula? I don't think you have a clue how lossy audio coders work! > One good sign in all this mess is that Motorola introduced a new > MTS TV Stereo encoder using dbx this week. Chip number is MC44C401. > Radio Shack will begin distributing TV stereo encoders for you and > me, so that we ca take left and right audio and put it back on the > cable wire, and get stereo from our TV set again. You don't need no fancy smancy chip to get stereo from the TV set again, just connect the left and right audio wires, along with the video signal, from the source to the input jacks on the TV set and you are good to go, works for me. John From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jul 26 09:32:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66583 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 16:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 16:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80501.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 16:32:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20030726163220.89079.qmail@web80501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:32:20 PDT Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WDAF To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- amstereorules wrote: > WDAF Kansas City will change format to sports in > September from > country, and drop MW AM stereo. > -Mario > > Remember, > AMSTEREORULES A another top rated station that will drop to the dregs of ratings..... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jul 26 09:43:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 610 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 16:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 16:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 16:43:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 16:43:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:43:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kansas City in AM stereo ...years ago Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 219 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I have a C-90 full of WDAF, and other airchecks, including the 1190 at night with their beautiful music, courtesy of Mark Roberts when he used to live there! I guess I can go dig up the cassettes and listen. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 26 10:01:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96944 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 17:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 17:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 17:01:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 17:01:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 17:01:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Japanese digital radio system ?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1063 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > A short reference was made about this on Radio Australia's Feedback > prog last week. Anyone know any details ? From the DAB Ensembles Worldwide site: http://www.wohnort.demon.co.uk/DAB/ Japan has adopted ISDB-T (Terrestrial Integrated Services Digital Broadcasting) for digital broadcasting instead of the Eureka 147. No other country has adopted ISDB-T. Further information about ISDB-T is available from the site of DiBEG, the Digital Broadcast Experts Group. (http://www.dibeg.org/) Me: The Japanese system was put into place for exactly the same reason IBOC is being implemented here in the US-- A desire not to use "foreign" (European) technology, and foster domestic technology. I have read elsewhere that this system does NOT perform as well as Eureka, and in fact, has been rejected by Taiwan, Singapore and South Korea for just that reason. As far as I know, as well, is there has been little public interest in terrestrial DAB under this system. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 26 10:17:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7118 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 17:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 17:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 17:17:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 17:17:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 17:17:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo myths Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F2263EC.E4E7EC1B@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1718 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Dick W wrote: > Speaking as a non-technical person, a lot of the music today is recorded in > multi-track, not just in left and right tracks such as was done in the 1960s > and 1970s. Therefore, even though today's music mixing may be technically > very realistic, you don't experience the dramatic separation that was > characteristic of the older recordings. Ironically, this minimal separation > effect in today's music may be a factor in the public's apparent lack of > excitement over stereo of any kind. Multitrack (beyond 2 or 3 tracks) has been a reality in pop music since the early 1960s, and had been 8 tracks or more since about 1967 as standard. But yes, even under 24-track studios, stereo imagery was a major component of recording well into the 1980s, but seems to have greatly lessened in contemporary recordings. Sadly, there is a long, historical complacancy towards stereophony, since binaural perception wasn't even studied until the 1880s, long after just about every other sense had been explored, scientificly. And experimentation in stereo had been sporadic throughout the period up until the 1950s, with probably the 1930s being the best decade ever for the exploration and experimentation of stereo before the advent of the two-track open-reel tape recorder by the very early 1950s. Even with the proliferation of headphones and walkmans, there has been not much of an interest in stereo in this digital era. Heck, even with the push for surround sound in home theater systems (people buy it because they're told to), they still don't appreciate stereophonic audio. It's just THERE, that's all. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 26 10:34:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46582 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 17:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 17:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 17:34:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 17:34:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 17:34:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Richards Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 982 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < > amstereorules@m...> wrote: > > I believe it's very clear that the best technological format > > doesn't always win in consumer's hands. So Motorola is better > > than HD Radio, but watch us get HD Radio instead, complete with > > 33.6KB stereo audio stream (33.6 / 2 = 16.8 / 2 = 8.4). 8.4KHZ > > maximum audio fidelity, when we have 10.2KHZ analog today > > Could you please explain where you got that formula? I don't think > you have a clue how lossy audio coders work! The formula is fine as long as one doesn't take into account the filtering necessary in some lossy bitrates. The actual audio fidelity is going to be more like 4.2kHz, or they might be able to squeeze the fidelity out to 6.3kHz. You call -THIS- "High Fidelity"? Give me AM stereo any day. At least it won't drop out at the slightest interference. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kmoreen@yahoo.com Sat Jul 26 12:28:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kmoreen@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68361 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 19:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 19:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 19:28:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 19:28:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 19:28:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: low cost am stereo (2) wal-mart radio + christ cuff board? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 347 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kmoreen" X-Originating-IP: 12.206.221.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91684692 X-Yahoo-Profile: kmoreen Hello, I'm a lurker for a long time on this board. I was wondering if anyone has tried using the $5 wal-mart radio with the chris cuff AM stereo board. I was thinking about getting a 2nd Wal-mart radio for a matching amplifier and speaker for the other channel. Anyone done this and any hints about coupling the sections together? Thanks Ken From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Jul 26 13:04:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78859 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 20:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 20:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 20:03:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 20:03:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 20:03:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Japanese digital radio system ?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1341 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.59.95 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > A short reference was made about this on Radio Australia's Feedback > > prog last week. Anyone know any details ? > > From the DAB Ensembles Worldwide site: > http://www.wohnort.demon.co.uk/DAB/ > > Japan has adopted ISDB-T (Terrestrial Integrated Services Digital > Broadcasting) for digital broadcasting instead of the Eureka 147. No > other country has adopted ISDB-T. > > Further information about ISDB-T is available from the site of DiBEG, > the Digital Broadcast Experts Group. > (http://www.dibeg.org/) > > Me: The Japanese system was put into place for exactly the same > reason IBOC is being implemented here in the US-- A desire not to > use "foreign" (European) technology, and foster domestic technology. > I have read elsewhere that this system does NOT perform as well as > Eureka, and in fact, has been rejected by Taiwan, Singapore and South > Korea for just that reason. As far as I know, as well, is there has > been little public interest in terrestrial DAB under this system. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Thanks for the info. Re Oz introducing ANY digital radio system could be up to 10 yrs before any system is adopted acc to Feedback. 10 yrs ??? From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Jul 26 13:12:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28024 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 20:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 20:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 20:12:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 20:12:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 20:12:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Richards Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1327 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < > > amstereorules@m...> wrote: > > > Motorola is better than HD Radio, but watch us get HD Radio > > > instead, complete with 33.6KB stereo audio stream > > > (33.6 / 2 = 16.8 / 2 = 8.4). 8.4KHZ > > > maximum audio fidelity, when we have 10.2KHZ analog today > > > > Could you please explain where you got that formula? > > The formula is fine as long as one doesn't take into account the > filtering necessary in some lossy bitrates. The actual audio > fidelity is going to be more like 4.2kHz, or they might be able to > squeeze the fidelity out to 6.3kHz. OK, good, if a mouse can understand it, then I should be able to understand it too. Since I don't think an explanation will be forthcoming from "amstereorules", perhaps you would be kind enough to explain it to me? I can see where the "33.6" comes from, that's the bit rate, but where do the two factors of "2" come from that give us the audio response of "8.4KHZ"? What is the "filtering" you say is "necessary in some lossy bitrates", and why should this filtering have a significant effect on the maximum audio frequency response? John From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Jul 26 14:36:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58151 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 21:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 21:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 21:36:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 21:36:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:36:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FTP site Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1210 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.235 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Hi folks > Unfortunately the FTP site (ftp.amstereoradio.com) has been hit by hackers > again and the hard drive was almost completely filled by some sh*thead > trying to upload a DVD movie or something. So I have turned OFF write > access from the anonymous account. I will TRY leaving the anonymous account > enable in READ-ONLY mode. Blame the stupid hackers :( > > Michael n WYO > Administrator - ftp.amstereoradio.com Even if you make separate accounts for each user to upload, the username and password are passed in plain text and a determined cracker can sniff packets and obtain the login information. The OpenSSH set of tools has scp (secure copy) and sftp (secure ftp) that require login information which is encrypted. I would also suggest if you have a public upload area with username and password that you post this info in one of the sections of this group that is not accessable unless you unless you are a member and login. This will narrow the scope of who actually has access to the upload area. I think it would be a good idea to only allow members of this group to upload to the FTP server. JSG From jim@burgan.net Sat Jul 26 14:43:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31260 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 21:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 21:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc02.asp.att.net) (204.127.203.184) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 21:43:28 -0000 Received: from jimspc (12-221-233-146.client.insightbb.com[12.221.233.146]) by sccmmhc02.asp.att.net (sccmmhc02) with SMTP id <20030726214327mm200qptmhe>; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:43:27 +0000 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Salem stations Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:43:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > At least the WMCA transmitter site in the NJ Meadowlands is pretty to > look at... I don't know if they light them up anymore, but the > classic "w m c a" neon letters are still on the transmitter shack, > and I believe WMCA's towers date back to the '40s or '50s. That's > still only my second-favorite, though, as compared to 930 WPAT's > site, with beautiful "top-hatted" towers that are now unfortunately Reminds me of the (old) WCFL transmitter site in Chicago. Even thought the call-letters belong to an FM in Morris, IL, and AM-1000 in Chicago is now WMVP, the old Super CFL transmitter site still sports a sign claiming to be WCFL. That may have changed in the past year or two, but last time I was out there (summer 2000) it still said WCFL. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 26 15:18:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68534 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 22:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 22:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 22:18:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 22:18:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:18:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo myths Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F2263EC.E4E7EC1B@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1892 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Speaking as a non-technical person, a lot of the music today is > recorded in multi-track, not just in left and right tracks such as > was done in the 1960s and 1970s. Actually, multi-tracking dates back to the development of magnetic tape recording in the 1940s. With that key development, music no longer had to be recorded "live" and bits and pieces of the song could be edited together and added in at will. The dramatic separation of stereo music in the '50s and '60s is mostly due to the fact that it was something new and exciting at the time, so record producers wanted to make the music in a way that would really show it off. Of course, equipment was less sophisticated back then, and in some cases the multiple tracks of a song only intended for mono playback were crudely separated to create a "Stereo" version, such as the early Beatles songs (which can now only be found in MONO on current CD releases, at the behest of the band's original producer). The same thing could be said about music of the 1980s, which was often produced with large dynamic range in order to show off the capabilities of the new CD format at the time. But by the time CDs became commonplace in the early 1990s, and people started listening to them in their cars and on DiscMans, the levels of compression and limiting used in CD mastering were progressively increased, to the point today that all CDs -- including "remastered" versions of older music -- are produced to be as ***LOUD*** as possible, with little to no consideration given to dynamic range, or even to good-quality, distortion-free sound. In fact, it's to the point today that people are rediscovering vinyl, because "LPs have better dynamics than CDs" (to quote one teenager in a magazine article). It's no wonder that "BACK TO ANALOG" is somewhat of an underground motto these days amongst music fans. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 26 15:26:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79706 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 22:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 22:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 22:26:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 22:26:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:26:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WDAF Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 967 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WDAF Kansas City will change format to sports in September from > country, and drop MW AM stereo. > -Mario That doesn't need to be the case. In Connecticut, 600 WICC dumped all their music except for one or two specialty shows on weekends, and yet they're still in full, glorious AM Stereo, and even mention on their web site "WICC radio has Southern Connecticut's best AM Stereo signal." Unfortunately, the Kansas City ratings have been "embargoed" by Arbitron so I don't know the exact ranking, but WDAF has always been at or near the top of the ratings for years with their full-service Country format. WDAF is also owned by Entercom, who operates a number of AM Stereo stations, including 1520 WWKB in Buffalo, NY (although with little to no separation in their audio). The Midwest is also home to a number of great AM Stereo News/Talk stations, including 720 WGN, 760 WJR, and 890 WLS -- all long-time leaders in their local ratings as well. From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Jul 26 15:35:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88899 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 22:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 22:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 22:35:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2003 22:35:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:35:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo myths Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 683 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.126 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Actually, multi-tracking dates back to the development of magnetic > tape recording in the 1940s. With that key development, music no > longer had to be recorded "live" and bits and pieces of the song > could be edited together and added in at will. Actually, even before the development of magnatic tape, overdubing was being done with phonograph records, so that the ultimate creation was not live, and there were even one man band records, where one person played all the insturments in a band one by one, adding each to the total mix. Not exactly "multitrack", but not live either. John From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat Jul 26 16:28:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49212 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 23:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2003 23:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 23:28:03 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030726232754.NNQS10317.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 19:27:54 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:28:01 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Salem stations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Not being from Chicago, I only know of WCFL through airchecks ... and I love them. (you can hear them as well at www.reelradio.com). Richard On Saturday, July 26, 2003, at 02:43 PM, Jim Burgan wrote: >> > > Reminds me of the (old) WCFL transmitter site in Chicago. > Even thought the call-letters belong to an FM in Morris, IL, and > AM-1000 in > Chicago is now WMVP, the old Super CFL transmitter site still sports a > sign > claiming to be WCFL. > That may have changed in the past year or two, but last time I was out > there > (summer 2000) it still said WCFL. > > > - From dav259@csiro.au Sat Jul 26 17:13:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2206 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 00:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 00:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 00:13:52 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6R0DoY02986 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:13:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:13:50 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Japanese digital radio system ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Dave wrote: > Thanks for the info. Re Oz introducing ANY digital radio system > could be up to 10 yrs before any system is adopted acc to Feedback. > 10 yrs ??? Dave - I believe they're right. The ABC is staved of funds, and the CRA (domestic NAB) somewhat understanably doesn't want to take any risks. The ABC is currently embroiled in a nasty dispute with the PM and Communications Minister (similar to the UK government and the BBC). The Communications Minister won't even take his complaint against the ABC to the complaints committee that he himself set up five years ago - or to the ABA. He's talking of setting up a new committee and personally appointing all its members - then he could get the result that he desires. Our current government has dragged us back to the 50s. It is sad. If it stays in much longer we may return to black and white TV and the White Australia policy. Ian New Holland :( From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 26 17:52:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42433 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 00:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 00:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 00:52:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2003 00:52:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 00:52:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: PAC vs. AAC vs. RA8.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1012 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The formula is fine as long as one doesn't take into account the > filtering necessary in some lossy bitrates. The actual audio > fidelity is going to be more like 4.2kHz, or they might be able to > squeeze the fidelity out to 6.3kHz. The audio quality would be much better on both IBOC and DRM if they used the RealAudio 8.0 codec. Here's the bit-rate vs. audio bandwidth chart for RA8, in its "Stereo Music" mode: 16 kbps = 4.3 kHz 16 kbps "High Response" = 6.9 kHz 20 kbps = 8.6 kHz 20 kbps "High Response" = 9.9 kHz 32 kbps = 10.3 kHz 32 kbps "High Response" = 13.8 kHz 44 kbps = 13.8 kHz 44 kbps "High Response" = 16.0 kHz 64 kbps = 16.0 kHz 96 kbps = 16.0 kHz The 32 kbps High Response mode would fit within IBOC-AM's current 36 kbps data stream and would deliver clear ~14 kHz audio with less annoying artifacts than PAC or even AAC. For example, here's how BBC Radio 2's RealAudio webcast sounds at 32 kbps (re-encoded into high-bitrate MP3): http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/bbc32.mp3 From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Jul 26 18:07:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64305 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 01:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 01:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 01:07:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20030727010736.66997.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.248.72] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:07:36 PDT Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Japanese digital radio system ?? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus --- Ian Davidson wrote: Our current government has dragged us back to the 50s. It is sad. If it stays in much longer we may return to black and white TV and the White Australia policy. Ian Perhaps even the black and white tv is too modern - go back before AM Valve radios and use tin cans and strings mono aural sound :-) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Jul 26 19:56:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33978 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 02:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 02:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 02:56:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2003 02:56:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 02:56:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: PAC vs. AAC vs. RA8.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1302 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.56 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst It does sound a little better but not by much. It still has that etherial underwater sound in some places and is no way acceptable for brodcast standards. JSG --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > The formula is fine as long as one doesn't take into account the > > filtering necessary in some lossy bitrates. The actual audio > > fidelity is going to be more like 4.2kHz, or they might be able to > > squeeze the fidelity out to 6.3kHz. > > The audio quality would be much better on both IBOC and DRM if they > used the RealAudio 8.0 codec. Here's the bit-rate vs. audio > bandwidth chart for RA8, in its "Stereo Music" mode: > > 16 kbps = 4.3 kHz > 16 kbps "High Response" = 6.9 kHz > 20 kbps = 8.6 kHz > 20 kbps "High Response" = 9.9 kHz > 32 kbps = 10.3 kHz > 32 kbps "High Response" = 13.8 kHz > 44 kbps = 13.8 kHz > 44 kbps "High Response" = 16.0 kHz > 64 kbps = 16.0 kHz > 96 kbps = 16.0 kHz > > The 32 kbps High Response mode would fit within IBOC-AM's current > 36 kbps data stream and would deliver clear ~14 kHz audio with less > annoying artifacts than PAC or even AAC. For example, here's how > BBC Radio 2's RealAudio webcast sounds at 32 kbps (re-encoded into > high-bitrate MP3): > > http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/bbc32.mp3 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jul 26 20:13:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14493 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 03:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 03:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 03:13:55 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.78.44775109 (3996) for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 23:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <78.44775109.2c549d6f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 23:13:51 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I am not impressed with DRM, either. The CBC is experimenting with DRM transmissions on 9795 kHz, and all I can hear is DIGITAL HASH! This proves, once and for all, that DRM and IBOC will make 100% of the radios currently in the marketplace OBSOLETE. The only way digital is to ever succeed is to confine it to satellite radio, and not desecrate AM, FM and Shortwave with digital hash when analog systems (FM Stereo, C-QUAM AM Stereo and monaural AM, FM and shortwave) can do a MUCH BETTER job of signal coverage and is already capable of CD-quality audio (mono or Stereo). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jul 26 20:14:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62438 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 03:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 03:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 03:14:02 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.14a.221f01c6 (3996) for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 23:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14a.221f01c6.2c549d73@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 23:13:55 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WDAF To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would think WDAF would be killing themselves if they went all-sports...there's no way they can compete with the 50 kW signal of WHB 810! They would be better off keeping the Stereo, and switching to either Adult Standards or '50s and '60s Oldies. As far as I know, Kansas City has no Adult Standards station, and their Oldies station (KCMO-FM "Oldies 95") plays primarily hits from the '60s and early '70s. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 26 21:14:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79989 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 04:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 04:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 04:14:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2003 04:14:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 04:14:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Richards Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2034 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" < > > > amstereorules@m...> wrote: > > > > Motorola is better than HD Radio, but watch us get HD Radio > > > > instead, complete with 33.6KB stereo audio stream > > > > (33.6 / 2 = 16.8 / 2 = 8.4). 8.4KHZ > > > > maximum audio fidelity, when we have 10.2KHZ analog today > > > > > > Could you please explain where you got that formula? > > > > The formula is fine as long as one doesn't take into account the > > filtering necessary in some lossy bitrates. The actual audio > > fidelity is going to be more like 4.2kHz, or they might be able to > > squeeze the fidelity out to 6.3kHz. > > OK, good, if a mouse can understand it, then I should be able to > understand it too. Since I don't think an explanation will be > forthcoming from "amstereorules", perhaps you would be kind enough to > explain it to me? I can see where the "33.6" comes from, that's the > bit rate, but where do the two factors of "2" come from that give us > the audio response of "8.4KHZ"? What is the "filtering" you say is > "necessary in some lossy bitrates", and why should this filtering have > a significant effect on the maximum audio frequency response? First, there's 33.6 kb/s (kilobits per second) divided by 2, which gives us 16.8 kb/s per channel, and if it were raw PCM (which it isn't), the sample frequency is always twice the maximum audio frequency of the sample, so 16.8 kb/s gives us 8.4 kHz. There are some digital audio compression codecs that CAN render kilohertz per kilobit, but to overcome inherent flaws in lossy compression, the highs are stripped out to half to 3/4 of the maximum audio frequency, so it should have a net maximum frequency between 4.2 and 6.3 kHz. Reminds me of early RealAudio. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Jul 26 21:39:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76217 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 04:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 04:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 04:39:30 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.185] (d153-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.185]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h6R4dTD95840 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:39:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:39:28 -0700 Subject: WDAF To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1059264834.1675.2216.m17@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: "kevin, Flame Broiled, Mesa, AZ" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Can you say, "This sucks?" "I knew you could" -Mr. Rogers Well that turns a nice country station to crap in a hurry. Kevin > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:47:48 -0000 > From: "amstereorules" > Subject: WDAF > > WDAF Kansas City will change format to sports in September from > country, and drop MW AM stereo. > -Mario > > Remember, > AMSTEREORULES From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Jul 26 21:41:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9048 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 04:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 04:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 04:41:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2003 04:41:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 04:41:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WDAF Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <14a.221f01c6.2c549d73@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 344 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.234 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > I would think WDAF would be killing themselves if they went > all-sports...there's no way they can compete with the 50 kW > signal of WHB 810! I don't live in KC, but I would bet that WDAF has pretty good signal during the day, and a far superior signal to WHB at night! John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 00:19:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4652 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 07:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 07:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 07:19:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2003 07:19:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:19:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Digital Audio 101 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1774 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > First, there's 33.6 kb/s (kilobits per second) divided by 2, which > gives us 16.8 kb/s per channel, and if it were raw PCM (which it > isn't), the sample frequency is always twice the maximum audio > frequency of the sample, so 16.8 kb/s gives us 8.4 kHz. No, digital audio's sampling frequency is expressed in kHz as well. In this case, "kilohertz" refers to "thousands of samples per second", rather than "thousands of cycles per second". But you are correct in referring to the Nyquist theorem, by which the sampling rate must be at least twice as much as the highest audio frequency you wish to accurately reproduce: http://www.opus1.com/~violist/help/nyquist.html Meanwhile, the *data rate* of digital audio -- expressed in kilobits per second (kbps) -- depends on the sampling resolution (typically 8 or 16 bits) and on what compression, if any, is being used. For the record, with AM IBOC's current 36 kbps PAC system, it delivers a maximum audio response of 15 kHz, although the high frequencies above 4 kHz are "spectrally replicated", i.e. "guessed" or "synthesized" and thus can sound very unnatural. Also, no stereo separation is offered below 400 Hz or above 4 kHz. > Reminds me of early RealAudio. With the first-generation RealAudio Stereo Music codec, the audio response is almost exactly 1/5th of the data rate: 20 kbps = 4 kHz 32 kbps = 5.5 kHz 40 kbps = 8 kHz 80 kbps = 16 kHz This system was developed by Dolby (it's called "DolbyNet") and made its debut in RealAudio 3.0, which was the first version to support anything other than robotic-sounding mono voice. The 20 kbps Stereo mode isn't all that pleasant to listen to, but did allow the first Stereo web-casts to be heard by people with dial-up Interent connections. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 00:56:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94042 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 07:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 07:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 07:56:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2003 07:56:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:56:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WDAF vs. WHB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 856 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I don't live in KC, but I would bet that WDAF has pretty good > signal during the day, and a far superior signal to WHB at night! 610 WDAF is an ideal Class B "Regional" station... 5000 watts non- directional, day and night, on a low frequency. Their useful daytime coverage radius is at least 150 to 200 miles! No wonder they are referred to as "the Flatlands Godzilla": http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WDAF_AM_LD.gif Meanwhile, 810 WHB is 50,000 watts non-directional daytime, but with their higher frequency, the coverage is only marginally better than WDAF's: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WHB_AM_LD.gif And at night, WHB drops down to 5000 watts through a 5-tower directional array, which puts them at a serious disadvantage as compared to WDAF, especially towards the Northeast: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WHB_AM_LN.gif From dav259@csiro.au Sun Jul 27 01:34:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70393 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 08:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 08:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 08:34:00 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6R8XwY21917 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:33:58 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:33:58 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news In-Reply-To: <78.44775109.2c549d6f@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > Well, I am not impressed with DRM, either. The CBC is experimenting > with DRM transmissions on 9795 kHz, and all I can hear is DIGITAL > HASH! This proves, once and for all, that DRM and IBOC will make > 100% of the radios currently in the marketplace OBSOLETE. The only > way digital is to ever succeed is to confine it to satellite radio, > and not desecrate AM, FM and Shortwave with digital hash when analog > systems (FM Stereo, C-QUAM AM Stereo and monaural AM, FM and > shortwave) can do a MUCH BETTER job of signal coverage and is > already capable of CD-quality audio (mono or Stereo). Eric - I agree with most of what you say about IBOC but think there may be a place for DRM. I've heard a great example of it on Radio Australia which has no commercial interests to impress or kowtow to. In a country as thinly populated as Oz it may provide a better clearer signal in isolated regions where picking up anything is a problem. I expect the same goes for Canada. You say CBC is broadcasting DRM on 9795 kHz. What band is this on? If and when we get digital radio in Oz I expect (and would agree with) current stations being permitted to simulcast their programming on both platforms for several years. This is how we're going about digital TV - and it's certainly not a revolution - but nobody is going broke. It will gradually succeed. After all - the prime drawcard in radio or TV is the programming. The platform comes second. [OFF-TOPIC] I seem to be becomming quite an advocate for widescreen TV. I love it - digital or analog. You get to see more of the picture - the picture that the creative producers want us to see. To understand the benefits, checkout http://www.widescreen.org/ratios.html#Super35 I have seen most of these movies - and am horified that when we watch them on a conventional 4:3 television set 42% of the picture is missing. I guess I just like my audio and visual experiences to be wider - hence I love CinemaScope ... and AM stereo! Ian From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 01:39:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6130 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 08:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 08:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 08:39:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20030727083908.51114.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.248.72] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 01:39:08 PDT Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 01:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus --- Ian Davidson wrote: > > You say CBC is broadcasting DRM on 9795 kHz. What > band is this on? .. and AM stereo! > Ian I guess it would be about it would be about the 31 metre band on SW. Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dav259@csiro.au Sun Jul 27 01:55:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96169 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 08:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 08:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 08:55:01 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6R8t0Y22834 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:55:00 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:55:00 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WDAF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, kevin, Flame Broiled, Mesa, AZ wrote: > > WDAF Kansas City will change format to sports in September from > > country, and drop MW AM stereo. > > -Mario > Can you say, "This sucks?" > > "I knew you could" -Mr. Rogers > > Well that turns a nice country station to crap in a hurry. > > Kevin Hey. Welcome back Kevin! We need you here. What an unauspicious return ... I'm now starting to think that you may be right in saying that digital radio is inevitable. But it seems IBOC is not the answer - and hopefully better things will prevail. Let's hope that C-Quam AM stereo survives till anything better is available. It's slowly dieing here in Oz. Our only hopes seem to be a renaissance in North America or that Symphony AMS radios become available here. I'm still hopeful - cause I like what I hear. Ian Melbourne ( Flame Broiled ... indeed. Just take the messages that upset you with the contempt that you perceive them to deserve. The world is full of morons of different degrees. Accept the wheat and throw out the chaff. ) From dav259@csiro.au Sun Jul 27 02:10:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66187 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 09:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 09:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 09:10:55 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6R9AsY23438 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:10:54 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:10:54 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news In-Reply-To: <20030727083908.51114.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, Michael wrote: > > You say CBC is broadcasting DRM on 9795 kHz. What > > band is this on? > > I guess it would be about the 31 metre band on SW. Then Eric ... if this is true what are you complaining about? I need to understand. I'm not a DXer or Shortwaver (maybe I should be). But my experience of shortwave is heaps of stations competing with each other - floating in and out. (I originally thought this must be how US AM radio must sound at night - as you simply have so many stations - and most at much higher power than here.) What have you got against DRM on shortwave? You complain about the hash - which of course we all would complain about if simply listening to our favourite local AM stations. But in my experience shortwave is mostly hash. Maybe it should be regulated ... but who would be the regulator??? Boy George? From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 02:45:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33311 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 09:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 09:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 09:45:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2003 09:45:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 09:45:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 951 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: =snip= > What have you got against DRM on shortwave? You complain about the hash - > which of course we all would complain about if simply listening to our > favourite local AM stations. But in my experience shortwave is mostly > hash. From here, http://www.owdjim.gen.nz/chris/radio/DRM/DRM.html We have this sample of what DRM sounds like on a shortwave receiver: DRM interference over the Voice of Turkey SW station, as received in New Zealand. *MP3 and RA stgreams, respectively.) http://real.indopacific.co.nz:12600/content/DRMreception/200306020350. pls http://www.owdjim.gen.nz/chris/radio/DRM/DRMreception/200306020350.ram (Cut & paste the first- It's a Winamp streaming playlist.) The above page is really a good example of what's WRONG with using digital below 30MHz, with numerous samples of DRM receptions as heard from New Zealand. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 02:54:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75270 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 09:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 09:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 09:54:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2003 09:54:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 09:54:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 443 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: Oh, and... > Maybe it should be regulated ... but who would be the regulator??? > > Boy George? The International Telecommunications Union (ITU) actually regulates it. For what it's worth, in the sample I offered in my last post, the DRM hash ends about 7 minutes into it, leaving the last minute and a half of just the Turkish station itself. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Sun Jul 27 03:54:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91143 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 10:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 10:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 10:54:23 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6RAsMY27463 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:54:22 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:54:22 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > > Maybe it should be regulated ... but who would be the regulator??? > > The International Telecommunications Union (ITU) actually regulates > it. Well Amy ... 10/10 for your research! It would seem that I'm wrong - not for the first time and hopefully not the last. It sounded something shocking. But I've only got a 33.6 modem. Lots of stuff sounds below par. I really think what we hear on our PCs (good as lots of it is) is not what we hear on our live radios. But it all adds to the file against many of the 'new solutions'. We know what we hear. And that is why I support C-Quam. So ... who or what is the ITU? Ian From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 04:43:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70573 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 11:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 11:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80503.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 11:43:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20030727114322.64418.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 04:43:22 PDT Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 04:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo myths To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: . > > Actually, even before the development of magnatic > tape, overdubing was > being done with phonograph records, so that the > ultimate creation was > not live, and there were even one man band records, > where one person > played all the insturments in a band one by one, > adding each to the > total mix. Not exactly "multitrack", but not live > either. > > John In a nutshell = Les Paul! Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 04:48:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58530 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 11:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 11:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80504.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 11:48:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20030727114802.92845.qmail@web80504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 04:48:02 PDT Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 04:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WDAF To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <14a.221f01c6.2c549d73@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > I would think WDAF would be killing themselves if > they went > all-sports...there's no way they can compete with > the 50 kW signal of WHB 810! They would be > better off keeping the Stereo, and switching to > either Adult Standards or '50s > and '60s Oldies. As far as I know, Kansas City has > no Adult Standards station, > and their Oldies station (KCMO-FM "Oldies 95") plays > primarily hits from the > '60s and early '70s. They do far better than you think and at night they blow WHB away as WDAF stays 5 KW non da, and WHB has a VERY tight pattern. But IF someone else is doing ANY sports it's an exceedingly stupid move. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Jul 27 06:18:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52711 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 13:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 13:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-2001-2.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 13:18:31 -0000 Received: from storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net (lawson-public-ipmux-1-pip-4.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.24]) by smtpout-2001-2.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 7561F79BC5; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 06:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id GAA18892; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 06:18:31 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQi/gjSB3Ei1ZBwlFHjBtfOmK4ODgIVAKpS8eeV90LriY4rlERurJFzWUaZ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 08:18:31 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereo@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Re: KFEZ Message-ID: <5730-3F23D127-474@storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message to follow>>>>> Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Sun Jul 27 12:25:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74707 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 19:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 19:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 19:25:34 -0000 Message-ID: <003501c35475$1b602b20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} low cost am stereo (2) wal-mart radio + christ cuff board? Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:27:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't know if anyone has tried to put a decoder into one of these, but I suspect you'd be removing the speaker to fit it in if you tried it, so you won't have the option of using a second radio for stereo. You'll be stuck with headphone outputs, plus you'll have to replace the volume control with a stereo one. It is both cheap enough and of decent performance that the basic tuner and IF circuitry would make a good basis for a stereo radio, but the case would have to be larger. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "kmoreen" > Hello, I'm a lurker for a long time on this board. I was wondering > if anyone has tried using the $5 wal-mart radio with the chris cuff > AM stereo board. I was thinking about getting a 2nd Wal-mart radio > for a matching amplifier and speaker for the other channel. Anyone > done this and any hints about coupling the sections together? Thanks > Ken From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 12:50:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60453 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 19:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 19:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 19:50:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2003 19:50:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:50:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DRM hash Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 137 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > DRM interference over the Voice of Turkey SW station, as received > in New Zealand. Sounds just like the old Russian jammers, to me. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 12:53:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21399 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 19:53:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 19:53:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 19:53:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2003 19:53:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:53:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Re: KFEZ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5730-3F23D127-474@storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 300 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Message to follow>>>>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Sorry, attachments don't work in this group. Could you re-post it as plain text? I assume this is some sort of response you got from the folks at KFEZ regarding the apparent lack of AM Stereo on their signal. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 13:01:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9543 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 20:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 20:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 20:01:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2003 20:01:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:01:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: low cost am stereo (2) wal-mart radio + chris cuff board? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003501c35475$1b602b20$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 718 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It is both cheap enough and of decent performance that the basic > tuner and IF circuitry would make a good basis for a stereo radio, > but the case would have to be larger. Even the Radio Shack "Flavoradio" can be converted to AM Stereo, but it's better to start with something that at least has FM Stereo so you don't have to reinvent the wheel, in terms of audio output circuitry. Some cheap boom-boxes by Emerson, Memorex, and AudioPhase have made surprisingly good AM Stereo conversions. Finding a good candidate is trial-and-error, but sometimes you can pick up at least some AM stations on a display-model radio in a store so you can get a basic idea of how a particular radio behaves itself on AM. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jul 27 13:54:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57676 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 20:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 20:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 20:54:21 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1a0.1859ae7c (4459) for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a0.1859ae7c.2c5595f3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:54:11 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WDAF vs. WHB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Still, there is no need for a second all-Sports station in Kansas City. The area has been without an Adult Standards station since KFEZ dropped it (on 1190) for a News/Talk format; the other frequency KFEZ was on (1340) is now running Christian programming with it's old calls, KCKN. Northeast Kansas City is probably more sparsely populated than the city itself or the Kansas suburbs. Still, it would be a major disadvantage if WDAF flips to sports rather than Adult Standards or '50s and '60s Oldies (the "Real Oldies" format). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jul 27 13:55:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62141 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 20:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2003 20:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 20:55:46 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1cc.e6e1e8b (4459) for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1cc.e6e1e8b.2c55964e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:55:42 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I strongly disagree...there is NO PLACE for digital transmission in the AM, FM or shortwave bands. DRM is INCOMPATIBLE with our current receivers. BTW, 9795 kHz falls in the 31 Meter shortwave broadcast band. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 19:26:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35814 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 02:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 02:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80501.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 02:26:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20030728022620.93420.qmail@web80501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.121] by web80501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:26:20 PDT Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1cc.e6e1e8b.2c55964e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > I strongly disagree...there is NO PLACE for digital > transmission in the AM, > FM or shortwave bands. DRM is INCOMPATIBLE with our > current receivers. BTW, > 9795 kHz falls in the 31 Meter shortwave broadcast > band. No, it's not, you can get the software from DRM and run the IF output into the soundcard and VOILA! Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Jul 27 19:59:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3063 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 02:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 02:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 02:59:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2003 02:59:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 02:59:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030728022620.93420.qmail@web80501.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 594 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.72 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < w4opw@y...> wrote: > > --- n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > I strongly disagree...there is NO PLACE for digital > > transmission in the AM, FM or shortwave bands. DRM > > is INCOMPATIBLE with our current receivers. > > No, it's not, you can get the software from DRM and > run the IF output into the soundcard and VOILA! "run the IF output into the soundcard"? What sort of soundcard will handle an IF signal, at least without adding a small aperture sample and hold to do sub sampling? A videocard sounds more like it. John From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Jul 27 20:53:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58633 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 03:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 03:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 03:53:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2003 03:53:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 03:53:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1858 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.114 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < > w4opw@y...> wrote: > > > > --- n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > > I strongly disagree...there is NO PLACE for digital > > > transmission in the AM, FM or shortwave bands. DRM > > > is INCOMPATIBLE with our current receivers. > > > > No, it's not, you can get the software from DRM and > > run the IF output into the soundcard and VOILA! > > "run the IF output into the soundcard"? What sort of soundcard will > handle an IF signal, at least without adding a small aperture sample > and hold to do sub sampling? A videocard sounds more like it. > > John I think you you either need a QuAM detector with 2 channels output to input into the L & R inputs of the soundcard. From there the DSP chip on the soundcard will decode it with the program you download from their site. The other way would be to hetrodyne it down to fit within the 22KHz audio BW of the soundcard with a carrier centered around 11KHz for a DSB signal and then use the soundcard to decode it. Either way the soundcard decodes the modulated digital signal. I don't remember which way they approach it but I seem to remember requiring some homebrew stuff to make it work. In the early days of Linux there was the soundcard modem that did the mod/demod work with DSP chip on the soundcard. You needed an adapter to interface the soundcard to the telephone line that you usually built. The reason why this was done I can't really say but it might have been cheaper to use an existing sound card and program it for the latest modem protocol like 28.8 I have to say you couldn't play music while you were surfing though. This is not unlike the so called crappy HSP WinModems that use the CPU to demodulate the signal and crash your computer. JSG From rwagoner1@mac.com Sun Jul 27 22:20:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30986 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 05:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 05:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 05:20:10 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030728052009.JGV24536.fed1mtao02.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 01:20:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 22:20:11 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Japanese digital radio system ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <291E6F82-C0BB-11D7-91E1-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I don't think IBOC is being pushed because of a desire to use domestic technology. The main reason from the get go was a desire for current stations to maintain their power base. A new system might allow new competitors; the desire of the NAB was always to ensure that current stations/owners stay in power. On Saturday, July 26, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Amy Mousie wrote: > > Me: The Japanese system was put into place for exactly the same > reason IBOC is being implemented here in the US-- A desire not to > use "foreign" (European) technology, and foster domestic technology. > I have read elsewhere that this system does NOT perform as well as > Eureka, and in fact, has been rejected by Taiwan, Singapore and South > Korea for just that reason. As far as I know, as well, is there has > been little public interest in terrestrial DAB under this system. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 23:41:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6538 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 06:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 06:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 06:41:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2003 06:41:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 06:41:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WinModems, etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 955 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is not unlike the so called crappy HSP WinModems that use the > CPU to demodulate the signal and crash your computer. Not to mention the "WinPrinters" which can bring a 1 GHz Pentium III to its knees while printing complex color graphics. The computer has to do all the work of feeding each pixel to the printhead, so that uses up a lot of processing power. This approach is typical of the Microsoft/Intel "bloatware" mentality -- to have software place an increasingly heavy burden upon the CPU, so that Intel always has a market for their newer, faster chips. Contrast that to the Commodore Amiga, whose efficiency and multimedia capabilities were unparalleled at the time of its introduction in 1985; it used separate dedicated chips for the video, audio, disk I/O, and memory access, relieving the main CPU from the burden of these tasks. BTW, the Amiga was also the world's first personal computer with built-in Stereo audio. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Jul 27 23:44:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40320 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 06:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 06:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.244.125) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 06:44:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 23:44:09 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav21.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 06:44:08 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Looking for equipment Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 02:44:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2003 06:44:09.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[A59F0280:01C354D3] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Anybody in NJ,PA Area know of stations tossing equipment? I hear this goes on a lot. I'm looking for Cart Machines, Broadcast Boards, DA's, Mic's Etc. I'm willing to travel 100mi. from 08826. Does not matter if equipment needs repair or is old. I'll take anything. Please though I can only travel up to 100mi from 08826 And I am driving a toyota corrola, But may for special items have access to a dakota pickup. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Email kc8gpd@nospam.hotmail.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 00:18:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29725 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 07:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 07:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 07:18:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2003 07:18:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 07:17:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: converting a Technics SA-250 to AM Stereo? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 698 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I recently got a functioning Sony SRF-42, and I have another one which doesn't have a working AM section but if I remember correctly FM still works, and it turns on & off and the volume works. (I'm thinking maybe something got disconnected.) I have a Technics SA-250 tuner that has a fairly decent sensitivity (with the help of an antenna mounted onto the back of the rack cabinet), but needs a little help on selectivity (but I don't know how I would do that). I was wondering if it would be possible to find a way to use the currently non-functioning SRF-42 (I would like to leave the one that works alone) to modify the Technics SA-250 tuner I have to be able to receive AM Stereo broadcasts? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 06:23:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54794 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 13:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 13:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 13:23:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20030728132304.24368.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 06:23:04 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 06:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What the *ell are they thinking? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mario Wrote: Subject: WDAF WDAF Kansas City will change format to sports in September from country, and drop MW AM stereo. This is indeed the worst news since WSM dropped stereo. I worked in KC for a year (and hated it) but the only bright spot was the quality of the programming, live on-air talent and MUSIC - in stereo on WDAF. KC already had crappy news/talk/sports clutter littering the AM dial. After WDAF goes down the dumper, then the only station worth 2 cents in KC is their classical music station on AM. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Jul 28 06:30:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62304 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 13:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 13:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 13:30:42 -0000 Received: from [216.190.249.153] (d121-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.153]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h6SDUfD32021 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 06:30:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 06:30:40 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 798 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1059382339.1763.21864.m12@yahoogroups.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: "kevin, Flame Broiled, Mesa, AZ" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > What an unauspicious return ... I'm now starting to think that you may > be right in saying that digital radio is inevitable. But it seems IBOC is > not the answer - and hopefully better things will prevail. > > Let's hope that C-Quam AM stereo survives till anything better is > available. It's slowly dieing here in Oz. Our only hopes seem to be a > renaissance in North America or that Symphony AMS radios become available > here. Digital radio IS inevitable. However, the digital radio that will survive will not be terrestial, it will come as XM, Sirius and the like. IBAC has brought about the survival of these companies. Kevin From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jul 28 06:53:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64747 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 13:53:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 13:53:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 13:53:12 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 07:53:12 -0600 Message-ID: <002601c3550f$95ebe100$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo myths Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 07:53:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would be me. Sorry 'bout that. I could have sworn that the "make me smile" and so forth were all the examples of IBOC that Tom Ray and/or Kerry had uploaded once they got their "new software revisons" in. That's why I stuck 'em in the IBOC folder. Thank you for the corrections and I'll take care of it. In the future, as I had asked from the beginning when I set all of this up......please EMAIL me and tell me where it goes so I can put it in the right place. Please, send specifically to ME, not the list. So many times, especially when a message comes across the list with any kind of IBOC in the subject line, I just delete it without even reading it. I'm about as sick of all the IBOC crap and WOR bashing as anyone else here on the list. So if ya put something in the uploads folder that isn't obvious, please please send an email to me personally at michaelj@vcn.com and then that way I can put your upload where it goes. Otherwise I pop onto the server and see a bunch of stuff in the uploads folder that no one has mentioned what it is....it's just there. Then I have to make an executive decision as to where to put it. Michael n WYO Admin - ftp.amstereoradio.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo myths ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/iboc/make_me.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/iboc/saturday.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/iboc/ystrday.mp3 Don't be fooled by the "iboc" in the links... I suppose these files of C-Quam AM Stereo are there because I made them to compare to WOR's audio samples of IBOC-mono using the same music clips. But I don't know why "wnsw2003.mp3" is in the IBOC folder... it's a recording of C-Quam AM Stereo which definitely has nothing to do with IBOC. It would be better filed in the "airchecks/usa/nj" folder, if the fellow in charge of the FTP server is reading this. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 09:58:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22399 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 16:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 16:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80506.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 16:58:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20030728165841.58220.qmail@web80506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.98] by web80506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:58:41 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" < > w4opw@y...> wrote: > > > > --- n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > > I strongly disagree...there is NO PLACE for > digital > > > transmission in the AM, FM or shortwave bands. > DRM > > > is INCOMPATIBLE with our current receivers. > > > > No, it's not, you can get the software from DRM > and > > run the IF output into the soundcard and VOILA! > > "run the IF output into the soundcard"? What sort > of soundcard will > handle an IF signal, at least without adding a small > aperture sample > and hold to do sub sampling? A videocard sounds > more like it. I'll go back and read. There are a few SW radio manufacturers that already have the DRM option. Ten Tec is one of them. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 10:01:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40611 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 17:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 17:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80510.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 17:01:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20030728170127.10309.qmail@web80510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.98] by web80510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:01:27 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: real working multitasking O To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > This is not unlike the so called crappy HSP > WinModems that use the > > CPU to demodulate the signal and crash your > computer. > > Not to mention the "WinPrinters" which can bring a 1 > GHz Pentium III > to its knees while printing complex color graphics. > The computer has > to do all the work of feeding each pixel to the > printhead, so that > uses up a lot of processing power. > > This approach is typical of the Microsoft/Intel > "bloatware" > mentality -- to have software place an increasingly > heavy burden upon > the CPU, so that Intel always has a market for their > newer, faster > chips. Contrast that to the Commodore Amiga, whose > efficiency and > multimedia capabilities were unparalleled at the > time of its > introduction in 1985; it used separate dedicated > chips for the video, > audio, disk I/O, and memory access, relieving the > main CPU from the > burden of these tasks. BTW, the Amiga was also the > world's first > personal computer with built-in Stereo audio. > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 10:05:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36907 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 17:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 17:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80507.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 17:05:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20030728170533.67440.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.98] by web80507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:05:33 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 2nd attempt To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > This approach is typical of the Microsoft/Intel > "bloatware" > mentality -- to have software place an increasingly > heavy burden upon > the CPU, so that Intel always has a market for their > newer, faster > chips. Contrast that to the Commodore Amiga, whose > efficiency and > multimedia capabilities were unparalleled at the > time of its > introduction in 1985; it used separate dedicated > chips for the video, > audio, disk I/O, and memory access, relieving the > main CPU from the > burden of these tasks. BTW, the Amiga was also the > world's first > personal computer with built-in Stereo audio. The windows XP Pro computer didn't want me to send the reply....]:) I still have my Amiga. The "say" command on the Amiga IS the original "Mr.Roboto" voice the NWS uses. It's really DECtalk, and the NWS spent millions for this system ruuning under Linux. I have made some VERY funny weather watches with it, uh, parodies of the Storm Prediction Center. Mine is called the Methane Prediction Center.... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 15:32:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9252 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 22:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 22:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 22:32:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2003 22:32:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:32:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What the *ell are they thinking? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030728132304.24368.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3369 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 66.140.173.0 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Mario Wrote: Subject: WDAF > WDAF Kansas City will change format to sports in September from > country, and drop MW AM stereo. > > This is indeed the worst news since WSM dropped stereo. I worked in KC for a > year (and hated it) but the only bright spot was the quality of the > programming, live on-air talent and MUSIC - in stereo on WDAF. KC already had > crappy news/talk/sports clutter littering the AM dial. After WDAF goes down > the dumper, then the only station worth 2 cents in KC is their classical music > station on AM. > I decided to ask the PD of WDAF and get it 'from the horse's mouth', so to say. Here's a copy of the reply mail. 61 Country will be moving to FM in the next couple of months. We will be simulcast for a period of time before that. We will take our very successful format over to FM which will give us entree into more of the younger audience inthe workplace where they can't hear us presently. Thanks for your interest!!! >>> Sparky 07/28/03 02:04PM >>> Greetings, Ted Cramer and others! I am a broadcast enthusiast and also a listener. Even though I live in Wichita these days, I still listen to the station on a semi-regular basis, comes in like a local. When I was living in Kansas City for many years before I came to Wichita, I found WDAF AM to have some of the best programming and best news and information. In these days of computer generated voice tracked jocks, it is refreshing to have a station that still talks TO their listeners, as well as playing the music. Not to mention a great sounding stereo signal. I can still remember on of the 61 country jingles, "Do THAT with an FM station!" It has recently come to my attention that WDAF will, in September, be abandoning years of tradition by changing formats and going to sports format programming, and dropping the stereo signal as well. To pull up the old phrase, "Say it ain't so". An old friend of mine, **** ********* suggested I chat with you about this to see if this is indeed fact or fancy. Until the (rumored) format change, I remain, John Hausback Wichita, Kansas Maybe we'll have to knock on KXTR's door and suggest they get WDAF's C-QuAM exciter after it's decommissioned. Don't get me wrong, managment is probably doing what they feel is the right move for the station. But I don't think a "folksy" sort of C&W format will work as well on an FM, IMHO. Locally we have KFTI (The Ranch) 1070 AM stereo, and KFDI (Today's KFDI) 101.3 FM stereo. Both stations coexist in a very peaceful manner. KFTI is the same style of "folksy" station that you can rely on for it's consistency. They have a loooooong time following among the Wichita audience. KFDI has a fresh C&W sound and a great morning host. Both stations share a top-notch news and weather operation manned 24-7. They do one of the few remaing full service operations AM and FM. Though aligned with Journal Broadcast Group recently, the corprate brass (for the time being) has kept pretty much a "hands off" approach to the stations, simply because what we have here has and does work well. The stations rank high in the ratings. WDAF would do well to reexamine their decision and take a look at what happens here in the Air Capital. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Jul 28 15:35:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5105 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 22:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 22:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO BAY0-HMR18.adinternal.hotmail.com) (65.54.241.217) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 22:35:30 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.244.122]) by BAY0-HMR18.adinternal.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:35:30 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:35:30 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav18.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:35:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: ftp.amstereoradio.com Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:35:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2003 22:35:30.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CBE7180:01C35558] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Tried to upload to ftp using wsftple user: amstereo pass: amstereo. I get error: permission denied. Am I doing something wrong? Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis FM Stereo 88.3 AM 1610 Real Community Radio! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 16:53:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46259 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 23:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 23:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 23:53:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2003 23:53:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:53:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KFDI -> KFTI? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 713 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Locally we have KFTI (The Ranch) 1070 AM Stereo, and KFDI (Today's > KFDI) 101.3 FM stereo. Strage but true... I checked and 1070 KFDI has indeed changed their call letters to KFTI, as of April 3, 2001. I thought they might have done this so that KFDI-FM could remove the "-FM" from their call sign and simply ID as "KFDI", but they are still licensed as "KFDI-FM". I'm sure Journal Broadcast Corp. had their reasons for the switch, but it seems strange to disrupt 1070's long-running legacy as KFDI, even though there was no real format change. If anything, I would expect them to have chosen "KFTR" instead, which is currently unused (on either AM or FM) and would reflect the slogan "The Ranch". From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 16:56:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8506 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 23:56:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2003 23:56:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 23:56:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2003 23:56:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:56:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ftp.amstereoradio.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 236 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Tried to upload to ftp using wsftple user: amstereo pass: amstereo. > I get error: permission denied. Am I doing something wrong? I just tried also... you can log in okay using that account, but it doesn't let you upload anything. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Mon Jul 28 18:40:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67203 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 01:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 01:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 01:40:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 01:40:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 01:40:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030728165841.58220.qmail@web80506.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1258 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq I think you'll find you need a receiver with a 12 Khz I.F. out to run in to the soundcard. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- bta_50g wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > > III W4OPW" < > > w4opw@y...> wrote: > > > > > > --- n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > > > I strongly disagree...there is NO PLACE for > > digital > > > > transmission in the AM, FM or shortwave bands. > > DRM > > > > is INCOMPATIBLE with our current receivers. > > > > > > No, it's not, you can get the software from DRM > > and > > > run the IF output into the soundcard and VOILA! > > > > "run the IF output into the soundcard"? What sort > > of soundcard will > > handle an IF signal, at least without adding a small > > aperture sample > > and hold to do sub sampling? A videocard sounds > > more like it. > > I'll go back and read. There are a few SW radio > manufacturers that already have the DRM option. Ten > Tec is one of them. > > Powell > > > > ===== > powell@c... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 18:52:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81668 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 01:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 01:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 01:52:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 01:52:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 01:52:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 455 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.49 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: (Concerning DRM out from the receiver to the computer for decoding.) > I think you'll find you need a receiver with a 12 Khz I.F. out to run > in to the soundcard. Correct. In fact, one place in Europe is selling such 2nd IF boards for US$60! Umm, yeah. I'll take one of Chris' C-QUAM boards, please- It'll be cheaper, and less prone to reception problems. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 19:25:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51295 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 02:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 02:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 02:25:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 02:25:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 02:25:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 703 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > I think you'll find you need a receiver with a 12 Khz I.F. out to > > run in to the soundcard. > > Correct. In fact, one place in Europe is selling such 2nd IF boards > for US$60! IBOC is even worse. By design, it needs a +/- 15 kHz bandwidth to fully decode the digital sidebands. What receivers besides the Carver TX-11a/b have ever had AM audio flat out to 15 kHz? Even the Sony SRF-A100 uses a 12.5 kHz filter so it probably wouldn't meet the IBOC bandwidth spec. The only thing that would come close is that mysterious homebrew MC13022-based receiver used to make all those Japanese AM Stereo recordings; it is noted as having a +/- 14 kHz IF filter (total RF bandwidth 28 kHz). From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jul 28 19:50:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74561 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 02:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 02:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 02:50:01 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.154.2231d736 (4116) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <154.2231d736.2c573ace@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:49:50 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's still not going to solve the problem. Most people cannot afford to convert their current receivers to DRM. AM, FM and shortwave should stay ANALOG ONLY...the only place for digital is either the L-Band or on satellite. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 20:25:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79394 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 03:24:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 03:24:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 03:24:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 03:24:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 03:24:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1230 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I think you'll find you need a receiver with a 12 Khz I.F. out to > > > run in to the soundcard. > > > > Correct. In fact, one place in Europe is selling such 2nd IF boards > > for US$60! > > IBOC is even worse. By design, it needs a +/- 15 kHz bandwidth to > fully decode the digital sidebands. What receivers besides the > Carver TX-11a/b have ever had AM audio flat out to 15 kHz? Even the > Sony SRF-A100 uses a 12.5 kHz filter so it probably wouldn't meet the > IBOC bandwidth spec. The only thing that would come close is that > mysterious homebrew MC13022-based receiver used to make all those > Japanese AM Stereo recordings; it is noted as having a +/- 14 kHz IF > filter (total RF bandwidth 28 kHz). Actually, erm... Let's see, here.... The optimal IF (NOT bandwidth) of DRM decoding is about 12 kHz, with the upper and lower sidebands being +/- 4.5 kHz from that, or 7.5 to 16.5 kHz. IBOC, as decoded, is from baseband, 10 to 15 kHz, or nominal at 12.5 kHz, and as such, could be decoded similarly (but differently) to DRM. All this still fits into the 22kHz audio frequency of most soundcards. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 21:36:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54835 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 04:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 04:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 04:36:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 04:36:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 04:36:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC vs. DRM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1214 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > IBOC, as decoded, is from baseband, 10 to 15 kHz, or nominal at > 12.5 kHz, and as such, could be decoded similarly (but differently) > to DRM. That's where IBOC's Primary sidebands are, but keep in mind that there are also Secondary sidebands in the +/- 5 to 10 kHz range and Tertiary sidebands (phase-modulated "underneath" the analog audio) in the +/- 5 kHz range. Therefore, to decode the whole IBOC signal you need at least 30 kHz of total bandwidth (+/- 15 kHz), and attempting to make a sound-card- based decoder like with DRM would require an audio sampling rate of at least 64 kHz -- 2 x 30 kHz plus some extra leeway to help filter out any aliasing effects. Computer sound systems with a maximum sampling rate of 96 kHz are becoming increasingly common, but many older and less expensive sound cards are still limited to 48 or even 44.1 kHz, which is sufficient to decode DRM, but not IBOC. There is also the question of how *accurate* these sound cards are at ultrasonic frequencies; without exhausting testing using specialized equipment, you don't know what the signal-to-noise ratio is like up there, nor if there are any "birdies" or aliasing effects which could cause trouble. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 22:28:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61262 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 05:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 05:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 05:28:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 05:28:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 05:28:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WZRC's IBOC hashes out WGCH 1490 AM Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 759 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This was taken from a post on the NRC Reflector which was forwarded from another list. Not good news for WGCH, a small AM Stereo station in Connecticut... "Recently a few more NYC stations have signed on with IBOC. WPAT 930 (which is actually licensed to Paterson NJ) and WZRC 1480. The most interesting is WZRC. Greenwich, CT's 1490 WGCH is a VERY strong 'local' signal in western Nassau County, LI (every seek or scan I have seen has always stopped on this signal). With IBOC fired up on WZRC, WGCH is now virtually non-existant in an area it served with a strong signal prior to IBOC. The signal is barely audible under a sea of noise from WZRC's IBOC transmissions. If WGCH were my station, 'annoyed' would be putting it VERY lightly." From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Jul 28 23:11:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81382 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 06:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 06:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 06:11:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 06:11:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 06:11:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1420 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.94 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I think you'll find you need a receiver with a 12 Khz I.F. out to > > > run in to the soundcard. > > > > Correct. In fact, one place in Europe is selling such 2nd IF boards > > for US$60! > > IBOC is even worse. By design, it needs a +/- 15 kHz bandwidth to > fully decode the digital sidebands. What receivers besides the > Carver TX-11a/b have ever had AM audio flat out to 15 kHz? Even the > Sony SRF-A100 uses a 12.5 kHz filter so it probably wouldn't meet the > IBOC bandwidth spec. The only thing that would come close is that > mysterious homebrew MC13022-based receiver used to make all those > Japanese AM Stereo recordings; it is noted as having a +/- 14 kHz IF > filter (total RF bandwidth 28 kHz). For IBOC the total BW is 30KHz which you would need at least a 15KHz IF with a top freq of 30KHz and that would be pushing it. To do it the IF way a soundcard with a 96KHz sample rate would be needed giving a 48KHz BW with the IF freq at 24KHz to be able to do a good job. The other approach would be to have a radio with a 35KHz BW ceramic filter and use a MC13020 in QuAM mode to obtain both the real and imaginary components of the IF signal. The demodulated outputs of the I & Q Det would be sent into the L & R inputs of the soundcard and the DSP chip on the soundcard would decode the IBOC sidebands. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 23:28:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90129 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 06:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 06:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 06:28:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 06:27:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 06:27:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 659 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The demodulated outputs of the I & Q Det would be sent into the > L & R inputs of the soundcard and the DSP chip on the soundcard > would decode the IBOC sidebands. I suppose that would work, but the bigger question is, *why* would anyone want to do that? :-) IBOC on the AM band is pretty much dead anyway. Didn't iBiquity just tell us that the AM IBOC Nighttime Report should have been finished by now? I doubt we'll see it anytime soon -- else why would WSAI still be testing IBOC at night if the conclusive report on such testing is supposedly nearing completion? Just for fun? As I like to say, IBOC stands for "It's Better Off Cancelled". From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 00:29:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4173 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 07:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 07:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 07:29:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 07:29:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:29:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Extreme Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 917 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I'm listening to Buffalo Springfield's 1967 hit "For What It's Worth" and the stereo separation is absolutely phenomenal... on this song, there is NOTHING in common between the Left and Right channels... you have lead vocals on the left, background vocals on the right, and the band split across both, but there is nothing in the center... not even a "reverb smear" between the two channels. I don't know if that was an intentional production effect, of if it was just the byproduct of crude recording and mixing techniques... either way, it certainly is very distinctive to listen to. My question is, are there any other prominent hit songs that were recorded like this? Even the early "illegal" Beatles stereo mixes had at least *something* in the middle between the two channels, be it vocals, instruments, or even just reverb-echo.... so that's what makes the aforementioned song even more unique. From rwagoner1@mac.com Tue Jul 29 01:00:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92244 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 08:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 08:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 08:00:04 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030729080001.RLAQ10286.fed1mtao03.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 04:00:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 01:00:03 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Extreme Stereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner "Roll to Me" by Del Amitri On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 12:29 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > I'm listening to Buffalo Springfield's 1967 hit "For What It's Worth" > and the stereo separation is absolutely phenomenal... on this song, > there is NOTHING in common between the Left and Right channels... you > have lead vocals on the left, background vocals on the right, and the > band split across both, but there is nothing in the center... not > even a "reverb smear" between the two channels. > > I don't know if that was an intentional production effect, of if it > was just the byproduct of crude recording and mixing techniques... > either way, it certainly is very distinctive to listen to. > > My question is, are there any other prominent hit songs that were > recorded like this? Even the early "illegal" Beatles stereo mixes > had at least *something* in the middle between the two channels, be > it vocals, instruments, or even just reverb-echo.... so that's what > makes the aforementioned song even more unique. > From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jul 29 01:02:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60223 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 08:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 08:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 08:02:07 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.182]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 04:01:02 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01c355a7$b6c57880$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Extreme Stereo Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 04:02:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Most anything by Smashmouth- great stuff. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Wagoner To: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:00 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Extreme Stereo > "Roll to Me" by Del Amitri > > On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 12:29 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > > > I'm listening to Buffalo Springfield's 1967 hit "For What It's Worth" From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Jul 29 01:14:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84387 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 08:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 08:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 08:14:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 08:14:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:14:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Extreme Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 825 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.94 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Even the early "illegal" Beatles stereo mixes > had at least *something* in the middle between the two channels, be > it vocals, instruments, or even just reverb-echo.... so that's what > makes the aforementioned song even more unique. I used to have a European pressing of Magical Mystery Tour that had the last 3 songs on side 2 in stereo. The capitol release of the album in America had the last 3 songs released to them as singles in mono first and the rest album was sent to them in stereo. Capitol did a fake stereo on them and put the bass in one channel and the treble in the other. If I can recall the last 3 songs were Penny Lane, Baby You're A Rich Man, & All You Need Is Love. Penny Lane really sounded good in stereo. JSG From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jul 29 06:52:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37717 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 13:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 13:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 13:52:45 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:52:44 -0600 Message-ID: <001f01c355d8$afe911d0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ftp.amstereoradio.com Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:52:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry 'bout that folks. There's a checkbox for "inherit" that was checked on the main folder. The main is set to read-only, so therefore everything under it (including the uploads folder) inherited the "read only" properties, even though the uploads folder was set for "write" access. I think I've fixed it. Try again and let me know. Michael n wyo admin-ftp.amstereoradio.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: ftp.amstereoradio.com > Tried to upload to ftp using wsftple user: amstereo pass: amstereo. > I get error: permission denied. Am I doing something wrong? I just tried also... you can log in okay using that account, but it doesn't let you upload anything. Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From softgin2003@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 08:05:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: softgin2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73055 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 15:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 15:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 15:05:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 15:05:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:05:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Heathkit PT-1 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 709 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "softgin2003" X-Originating-IP: 213.3.2.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=155119050 X-Yahoo-Profile: softgin2003 Hi=20 I=B4m new to AMAX. A few days ago I picked up a PT-1 with no tube for $00 and one Heathkit SS amplifier AA-21DE with 4 final=20 transistors missed. Search the WEB but little info found about these=20 rigs. I have read some posts regarding the Pt-1, I don=B4t Know if it=20 work but I would like to give a try. PT-1: The sockets mounted over the pcb are clearly marked with the=20 tube type but there are 3 sockets over the chasis with no mark. I=20 would like to know the full set of tubes the PT-1 mounts and if it=B4s worth to complete and run. I think there is no problem to find=20 out this tubes here in EU(Switzerland). Also a gif schematic will be=20 useful.=20 Any other info will be appreciated. regards Jose From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jul 29 08:20:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81062 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 15:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 15:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.244.203) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 15:20:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:20:44 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav68.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:20:44 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: {AMSF}New files uploaded to ftp Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:20:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2003 15:20:44.0962 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB113820:01C355E4] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit uploaded to ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/ ... ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/am100.pdf Panaxis AM 100 This tx is capable of 300% Modulation ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/Kahn ISB Exciter.pdf WBDH Radio's Exciter Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis FM Stereo 88.3 AM 1610 Real Community Radio! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jul 29 08:44:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24164 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 15:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 15:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO BAY0-HMR10.adinternal.hotmail.com) (65.54.241.209) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 15:44:46 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.244.198]) by BAY0-HMR10.adinternal.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:44:46 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:44:46 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav63.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:44:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: {AMSF} Uploaded new files to ftp Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:44:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2003 15:44:46.0575 (UTC) FILETIME=[5655E7F0:01C355E8] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/ AM100 by panaxis. WBDH Radios Kahn ISB Exciter. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis FM Stereo 88.3 AM 1610 Real Community Radio! From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 10:08:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12986 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 17:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 17:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 17:08:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 17:08:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:08:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KFDI -> KFTI? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1029 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 66.140.173.0 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Locally we have KFTI (The Ranch) 1070 AM Stereo, and KFDI (Today's > > KFDI) 101.3 FM stereo. > > Strage but true... I checked and 1070 KFDI has indeed changed their > call letters to KFTI, as of April 3, 2001. I thought they might have > done this so that KFDI-FM could remove the "-FM" from their call sign > and simply ID as "KFDI", but they are still licensed as "KFDI-FM". > > I'm sure Journal Broadcast Corp. had their reasons for the switch, > but it seems strange to disrupt 1070's long-running legacy as KFDI, > even though there was no real format change. If anything, I would > expect them to have chosen "KFTR" instead, which is currently unused > (on either AM or FM) and would reflect the slogan "The Ranch". The most obvious reason I can think of is due to phonetics. It's possible they were "lucky" enough changing KFDI to KFTI to find new call letters that sound like the old. Have someone sing it to you sometime. From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jul 29 10:28:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31221 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 17:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 17:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 17:28:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 17:28:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:28:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Extreme Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 799 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.159.192.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > My question is, are there any other prominent hit songs that were > recorded like this? Now you got me digging through my CDs. Bend Me Shape Me - American Breed Carrie Anne - The Hollies Soul Serenade - Willie Mitchell (a teeny bit of crosstalk on this one) and of course: In the Summertime - Mungo Jerry (which has the right-to-left motorcycle effect, but the rest is all panned to the edges) If you want to hear some really extreme stereo messin' around, I recommend "I'm Bored" by the Bonzo Dog Band (the hole in the middle used as a weapon) and "Catwalk" by Siouxsie and the Banshees (uses a gate to switch the individual channels on and off to the beat of the music). Plus if you buy both at the same time, you'll get a wonderfully funny look from the record store guy. From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 10:49:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74337 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 17:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 17:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 17:49:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 17:49:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:49:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1137 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 66.140.173.0 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > The demodulated outputs of the I & Q Det would be sent into the > > L & R inputs of the soundcard and the DSP chip on the soundcard > > would decode the IBOC sidebands. > > I suppose that would work, but the bigger question is, *why* would > anyone want to do that? :-) > > IBOC on the AM band is pretty much dead anyway. Didn't iBiquity just > tell us that the AM IBOC Nighttime Report should have been finished > by now? I doubt we'll see it anytime soon -- else why would WSAI > still be testing IBOC at night if the conclusive report on such > testing is supposedly nearing completion? Just for fun? > > As I like to say, IBOC stands for "It's Better Off Cancelled". Something that seems to get lost here (I almost missed it myself,) is that the IBOC signal isn't robust enough to pass through the phasing equipment used for directional arrays. This was pointed out to me the other day during a chat with a friend in the business, so to say. And for the stations that are snowd under in the hash, IBOC could mean, "I B***h Or Complain"! From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 10:50:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94938 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 17:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 17:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 17:50:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 17:50:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:50:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Extreme Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 373 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Just about any of the stereo recordings of Chicago's Cryan' Shames. :) (Also, Harpers Bizarre, Turtles, Buckinghams, Ray Charles, Isley Bros., and so forth. Pretty common in quite a few '60s music, and the sharpness between tracks only gets more pronounced as the decade progresses, some, like the Cryan' Shames stereo material, to great effect. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 10:55:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70957 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 17:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 17:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 17:55:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 17:55:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:55:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KFDI -> KFTI? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The most obvious reason I can think of is due to phonetics. The real question is *why* they changed the call letters in the first place? 1070 was KFDI for decades... as was its FM sister station. Now, they've changed the AM to KFTI... but for what reason? It didn't change at the time the stations were sold to Journal, so that excludes one possible reason (like when WOR-TV changed to WWOR). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 11:14:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6531 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 18:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 18:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 18:14:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 18:14:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:14:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Extreme Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1168 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > the sharpness between tracks only gets more pronounced as the decade progresses I call that "pin-point stereo". Some great examples of this include "Blue Moon" by The Marcels and "Easier Said Than Done" by The Essex -- both #1 hits in 1961. These two songs are strictly "three-channel stereo" -- left, center, and right, with no mixing between. Even the reverb stays within each channel. Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons used "pin-point stereo" for a lot of their early songs, but by the time they switched to Phillips in 1964 and had more sophisticated studio equipment on hand, they started to increase the amount of blending between the channels. In the earlier years they also experimented with some interesting synthesizer effects; their 1963 album track "Long, Lonely Nights" starts out with a bass line that is really just a sqare wave with some reverb added, very similar to the sounds that my parents' early-'60s Lowrey electric organ would produce. (It had settings like "Clarinet", "Trumpet", "Oboe", etc., but they were really all just variations of square, triangle, and sawtooth waves. That thing had over 70 tubes in it!!) From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Jul 29 11:19:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68209 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 18:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 18:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 18:19:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 18:19:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:19:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 772 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > > Something that seems to get lost here (I almost missed it myself,) > is that the IBOC signal isn't robust enough to pass through the > phasing equipment used for directional arrays. This was pointed out > to me the other day during a chat with a friend in the business, so > to say. That's interesting, I wonder how WOR gets it to work then, as they use a 3 tower DA during the daylight hours, and for that matter, both WPAT and WZRC, that have both been mentioned here as broadcasting in IBOC, use 4 tower arrays during the day. It sounds like your "friend in the business" may not know exactly what he is talking about, or is stretching the truth a little for effect. John From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 16:51:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47539 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 23:51:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2003 23:51:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 23:51:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2003 23:51:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:51:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1339 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: =snip= > Something that seems to get lost here (I almost missed it myself,) is > that the IBOC signal isn't robust enough to pass through the phasing > equipment used for directional arrays. This was pointed out to me the > other day during a chat with a friend in the business, so to say. > And for the stations that are snowd under in the hash, IBOC could > mean, "I B***h Or Complain"! For all the complaints of installing C-QUAM, one of the biggest- and WOR will tell you this- it was a bitch to align because it needs proper phasing to work. IBOC is doubly so, being that it's 3 times as wide (which means bigger antenna-related headaches) than even wideband C-QUAM! Now, whereas WOR couldn't get C-QUAM set up properly, but all gung-ho about getting IBOC up and running-- Successfully, I might add, no matter how one likes it-- makes me wonder, seriously. They could run FLAWLESS C-QUAM now if they wanted to, but would they? Proper phasing is critical to good AM signals. This gets even more critical when one uses a system dependent on proper phasing, like C- QUAM and IBOC. And even worse when you need a 40kHz-wide window, much more than most AM stations. And phased arrays? Now you're getting into headaches! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Jul 29 17:34:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3399 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 00:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 00:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.116) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 00:34:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:34:43 -0700 Received: from 172.147.171.21 by bay7-dav12.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:34:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Extreme Stereo Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:34:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2003 00:34:43.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F093BA0:01C35632] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.147.171.21] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 "Tighter and Tighter" by Alive And Kicking sounds way cool in AM Stereo. It was recorded slightly out of phase and in extreme Stereo, so when it get blended to mono on an FM radio, it sounds dead, but jumps right out of your dash board in AM Stereo. TM Century put the song in phase on the Gold Disc oldies collection, so it is easy to spot when a station is playing the original record company version Vs. Gold Disc. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 17:44:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11342 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 00:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 00:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 00:44:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2003 00:44:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:44:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2267 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It sounds like your "friend in the business" may not know exactly > what he is talking about, or is stretching the truth a little for > effect. iBiquity's current AM IBOC system may work through directional arrays, but apparently the now-defunct USA Digital Radio version of it did not. Back in 1999, the VP of Engineering at Nassau Broadcasting told me that the only stations qualified to test AM IBOC back then were those using a Harris DX-series transmitter and a non-directional antenna. He said that's the reason why Nassau tested IBOC at non-directional 1680 WTTM, rather than at directional 1040 WJHR, even though both of these stations use Harris DX-10 transmitters. Another significant difference is that the USA Digital Radio version of IBOC was designed to be contained completely within a +/- 10 kHz bandwidth -- thus not causing any interference to second-adjacent channels -- while the current iBiquity version of it occupies a greater bandwidth of +/- 15 kHz and thus has problems with second-adjacent-channel interference. Also, according to this file.... ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/ALPS-tdga_e.pdf ...I see that a tuner module for AM & FM IBOC has been developed, which uses a 10 kHz IF bandwidth (+/- 5 kHz) for analog AM, and a 40 kHz IF bandwidth (+/- 20 kHz) for AM IBOC. The IF bandwidth for FM IBOC is also significantly greater than that of analog FM. Thus, if you want to receive an IBOC signal in digital mode, it will not only have to be at a certain strength, it will also have to be relatively free of any other adjacent or second-adjacent-channel stations, simply because of the four times greater bandwidth, and thus four times worse selectivity, of the digital mode. A 40 kHz IF bandwidth is likely similar to a GE Superadio III in "Wide" mode. I don't know about all SR-IIIs, but mine is extremely broad-band in Wide mode; stations 50 kHz apart on the dial tune in as if they were right next to each other. It's really quite excessive, I think, because the SR-III sounds absolutely fine to me even in "Normal" bandwidth mode. In fact, Normal mode with the treble turned up sounds just as good as Wide mode with the treble in the center position -- just with much better selectivity. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 18:01:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15500 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 01:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 01:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 01:01:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2003 01:01:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:01:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Extreme Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1744 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > the sharpness between tracks only gets more pronounced as the decade > progresses > > > I call that "pin-point stereo". Some great examples of this include > "Blue Moon" by The Marcels and "Easier Said Than Done" by The Essex -- > both #1 hits in 1961. These two songs are strictly "three-channel > stereo" -- left, center, and right, with no mixing between. Even the > reverb stays within each channel. Much of early stereo recordingss WERE three-track, most with absolutely no overdubbing (except Neil Sedaka's recordings, which exemplified RCA's commitment to quality wide stereo of the day). Most recordings at the time did have some crosstalk or cross-channel reverb, since these were done in complete takes. Why I said that it gets even more pronounced in later years, up to the early '70s, was that they HAD multitracking with 4, 8, 12 and 16- track decks to record onto, could lay down tracks independently, and DELIBERATELY mix them so wide for effect! :) It certainly was not do to lack of mixing boards or stereo reverbs, both of which were common in stereophonic production throughout that period, but even by then, stereo was a relatively new toy to play with. :) (Especially with then-new FM stereo, and much of the pop, rock and R&B- and jazz- of the time was making its way to the "new" band-- Especially the underground/freeform stations of the day.) That being said, the Temptations' long versions of "Papa Was A Rolling Stone" and "Smiling Faces Sometimes" (and quite a bit of Motown's stereo output), as well as Rare Earth's long, live version of "Get Ready" are excellent wide stereo tracks. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Jul 29 19:20:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37172 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 02:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 02:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 02:20:03 -0000 Received: from storefull-2116.public.lawson.webtv.net (lawson-public-ipmux-1-pip-2.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.5]) by smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 8C54CBEF0 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2116.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA14053; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:20:03 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQqi1wPLlZ9W7sOZIA9nlweyYonEgIUBNFYKsoTUDTMIkPFL/jfAUP2GI8= Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:20:02 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WDAF Message-ID: <13349-3F272B52-2503@storefull-2116.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 29 Jul 2003 09:10:04 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I agree with John P and others, That losing WDAF 610 to an inferior format is a real loss! It's one more station just within range of Omaha,NE to fold on AM stereo. About the only county station left that ran in stereo. KC used to have several AM stereo stations including Oldies WHB on 710, and EZ music station KFEZ 1190. I was especially fond of KFEZ, I was really upset when they were sold off and dropped stereo. I luckily still have some recordings of KFEZ's stereo sound. I don't have a problem with stations running sports, or a news-talk type of programming, IT just sounds better when Stereo liners and commercials are used. The offenders list is long and seems to get worse all the time. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 19:40:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82680 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 02:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 02:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80512.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 02:40:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20030730024017.78183.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.79] by web80512.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:40:17 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC news To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- wa2fnq wrote: > I think you'll find you need a receiver with a 12 > Khz I.F. out to run > in to the soundcard. > > Jerry WA2FNQ Yes, that is true. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 19:48:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21628 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 02:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 02:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80508.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 02:48:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20030730024837.32904.qmail@web80508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.79] by web80508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:48:37 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC news To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" > > wrote: > > Something that seems to get lost here (I almost > missed it myself,) > > is that the IBOC signal isn't robust enough to > pass through the > > phasing equipment used for directional arrays. > This was pointed out > > to me the other day during a chat with a friend in > the business, so > > to say. Well just wait a second. > That's interesting, I wonder how WOR gets it to work > then, as they use > a 3 tower DA during the daylight hours, and for that > matter, both WPAT > and WZRC, that have both been mentioned here as > broadcasting in IBOC, > use 4 tower arrays during the day. It sounds like > your "friend in the > business" may not know exactly what he is talking > about, or is > stretching the truth a little for effect. > > John It isn't the robustness of the IBOC signal, the problem will show up in BANDWIDTH. There a lot of DA's that have not enough bandwidth to pass the digital part. So for IBOC they DA array will have to be re done. WVOC's ( 560 Columbia) it BARELY passed the AM Stereo. Bandwith is getting bad at 7.5 KhZ on that one. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 19:49:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96029 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 02:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 02:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 02:49:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2003 02:49:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:49:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Extreme Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1607 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That being said, the Temptations' long versions of "Papa Was A > Rolling Stone" and "Smiling Faces Sometimes" (and quite a bit of > Motown's stereo output), as well as Rare Earth's long, live version > of "Get Ready" are excellent wide stereo tracks. :) Motown was especially meticulous about producing separate mono and stereo mixes of a song. The LPs would get the stereo version, while the 45s were very HOT mono (always just at the brink of objectionable distortion) so they would sound especially exciting over mono jukeboxes and AM radio stations at the time. And this went beyond Motown -- I have the original mono 45 of "Summer In The City" and it's so hotly modulated that just the needle in the groove provides room-filling volume when you play it! But yet, today it's common to hear the stereo version, which has fantastic separation and sounds especially great in AM Stereo. BTW, another notable trend in music was placing the bass line in a single channel. This was very common until the late '60s; "He's Not Heavy, He's My Brother" from 1970 and "Rose Garden" from 1971 are some of the last hit songs I can think of that had single-channel bass. I suppose you could also include "Blitzkrieg Bop" by The Ramones, even though it wasn't a chart hit; that song -- as played constantly in TV commercials for cars, it seems -- is remarkable for its simplicity, with a clearly limited number of tracks used to record and mix it, so it achieves a sound that is very highly separated between the channels, but also very dense and well-suited towards its hard-rock style. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 19:56:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40101 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 02:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 02:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 02:56:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2003 02:56:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:56:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC vs. AM Stereo -- bandwidth & more Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030730024837.32904.qmail@web80508.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 759 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There a lot of DA's that have not enough bandwidth to pass the > digital part. As iBiquity themselves say, "antenna bandwidth requirements for IBOC are similar to AM Stereo". But make that hi-fi wide-band AM Stereo; under the NRSC bandwidth limit, an AM Stereo station can sound just fine, even if its antenna bandwidth is only two-thirds of what IBOC would require. Also, iBiquity states very definitely that IBOC doesn't work with vacuum-tube transmitters. I assume they're referring to the naturally higher incidental phase modulation (IPM) of these old rigs, but with some tweaking, countless stations have been able to achieve perfectly acceptable AM Stereo from a tube transmitter -- like KEVA, to name one we're all familiar with here. From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Jul 29 20:39:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77004 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 03:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 03:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 03:39:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:39:46 -0700 Received: from 172.130.81.8 by bay7-dav10.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 03:39:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC news Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:27:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2003 03:39:46.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[387BB340:01C3564C] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.130.81.8] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > For all the complaints of installing C-QUAM, one of the biggest- and WOR will tell you this- it was a bitch to align because it needs proper phasing to work. IBOC is doubly so, being that it's 3 times as wide I wonder if it is phasing issues that makes the WOR IBOC signal LOOK just fine at the transmitter site, but sound 3 times wider South of the transmitter at Kevin T's location. As far as that goes, it would also explain why WOR's signal was so much wider than WLW's during the night sky wave test. It would explain why the Upper sideband from WOR was stronger than the Lower sideband. > >Now, whereas WOR couldn't get C-QUAM set up properly, but all gung-ho about getting IBOC up and running-- Successfully, I might add, no matter how one likes it-- makes me wonder, seriously. They could run FLAWLESS C-QUAM now if they wanted to, but would they? There is about as much of a chance of Tom or Kerry putting a C-QUAM generator on WOR's transmitter as there is Tom letting Lenny Kahn put the PowerSide exciter on that DX-50! (It ain't gonna happen) Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 20:43:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60186 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 03:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 03:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 03:43:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20030730034317.64098.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:43:17 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AMS on eBay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From 'down under' on eBay: "AM Stereo Decoder" Featuring both the Motorola/Harris systems. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 20:44:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6830 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 03:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 03:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 03:44:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2003 03:44:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 03:44:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1427 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Amy Mousie wrote: > > For all the complaints of installing C-QUAM, one of the biggest- and WOR > will tell you this- it was a bitch to align because it needs proper phasing > to work. IBOC is doubly so, being that it's 3 times as wide > > I wonder if it is phasing issues that makes the WOR IBOC signal LOOK just > fine at the transmitter site, but sound 3 times wider South of the > transmitter at Kevin T's location. As far as that goes, it would also > explain why WOR's signal was so much wider than WLW's during the night sky > wave test. It would explain why the Upper sideband from WOR was stronger > than the Lower sideband. In other words, "Situation Normal, All Fouled Up"? > >Now, whereas WOR couldn't get C-QUAM set up properly, but all gung- ho about > getting IBOC up and running-- Successfully, I might add, no matter how one > likes it-- makes me wonder, seriously. They could run FLAWLESS C- QUAM now if > they wanted to, but would they? > > There is about as much of a chance of Tom or Kerry putting a C-QUAM > generator on WOR's transmitter as there is Tom letting Lenny Kahn put the > PowerSide exciter on that DX-50! (It ain't gonna happen) Yeah, I know...and I know the disdain they had when they DID attempt to install C-QUAM years back, as mentioned in this very group some months ago. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 20:47:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87515 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 03:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 03:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 03:47:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2003 03:47:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 03:47:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030730034317.64098.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 348 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > From 'down under' on eBay: > "AM Stereo Decoder" Featuring both the Motorola/Harris systems. Without having seen the eBay entry, it sounds like one of the Dick Smith Electronics decoder kits that used to be prevalent in Australia many years ago. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 22:51:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6145 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 05:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 05:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 05:51:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2003 05:51:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 05:51:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on directional arrays / WOR AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2713 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I wonder if it is phasing issues that makes the WOR IBOC signal > LOOK just fine at the transmitter site, but sound 3 times wider > South of the transmitter at Kevin T's location. As far as that > goes, it would also explain why WOR's signal was so much wider than > WLW's during the night sky wave test. It would explain why the > Upper sideband from WOR was stronger than the Lower sideband. I wonder that too. It has been my definite experience ever since WOR first turned their IBOC on that the upper sideband "hash" is louder and spreads across a wider bandwidth than the lower sideband. Back when they transmitted the digital sidebands at a lower level, I could still pick up a trace of semi-distant WPHE on 690 kHz, but 730 kHz was a total goner. Directional arrays can do very funny things to an AM signal. For example, nearby 620 WSNR's directional array causes an effect where in some of their nulls, one of their sidebands almost completely cancels out, and in effect what your receiver picks up is a single- sideband (SSB) signal, with the same "Donald Duck" type of distortion. At the transmitter site, WSNR's signal is *perfectly clean* as far as any test equipment can tell them -- but that's not the case 30 or 40 miles away in certain directions. Back around 1997 when WOR was installing their new Harris DX-50 transmitter and doing some antenna maintenance, they temporarily put out 10,000 watts non-directional, instead of the normal 50 kW directional signal. Perhaps it would be worth their while for WOR to do that at a publicly known time -- say, on a Sunday afternoon when they're broadcasting infomercials that nobody listens to anyway -- so that listeners throughout the area can observe the changes, if any, that makes to how their IBOC signal behaves on the air in "real- world" conditions? > There is about as much of a chance of Tom or Kerry putting a C-QUAM > generator on WOR's transmitter as there is Tom letting Lenny Kahn > put the PowerSide exciter on that DX-50! (It ain't gonna happen) WOR actually did broadcast PowerSide for a while, but due to various technical issues which Kahn was not helpful in resolving, they discontinued it. Also, the general impression I've gotten is that Tom and Kerry are quite familiar with the ins and outs of AM Stereo and they *could* set it up at WOR and make it work very well -- *if* they really wanted to. However, they believe that AM Stereo's time has passed, and that IBOC is ready to take its place. Only time will tell if they're right -- but the clock has been ticking for over a decade now, and IBOC really doesn't appear to be any more ready for widespread use than it was 5 years ago. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 22:59:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2728 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 05:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 05:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 05:59:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2003 05:59:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 05:59:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 628 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Without having seen the eBay entry, it sounds like one of the Dick > Smith Electronics decoder kits that used to be prevalent in > Australia many years ago. Here it is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3038282688 "Add on AM Stereo Decoder Featuring both the Motorola/Harris systems. You can add this decoder to an AM/FM tuner to receive AM stereo broadcasts. This decoder was pulled from an old Teac T-515 AM/FM tuner which were sold via Dick Smith stores back in the 1980s (the tuner itself was no good but the decoder works). AM stereo is still used by some stations in Australia and the USA." From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 23:45:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22995 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 06:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 06:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 06:45:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2003 06:45:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:45:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on directional arrays / WOR AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 957 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Directional arrays can do very funny things to an AM signal. For > example, nearby 620 WSNR's directional array causes an effect where > in some of their nulls, one of their sidebands almost completely > cancels out, and in effect what your receiver picks up is a single- > sideband (SSB) signal, with the same "Donald Duck" type of > distortion. At the transmitter site, WSNR's signal is *perfectly > clean* as far as any test equipment can tell them -- but that's not > the case 30 or 40 miles away in certain directions. This would happen if the phasing of the carrier cancels itself out- Much like skywave/groundwave cancellation common in DXing on the RF world abuve 30 kHz and under 30 MHz, which is inevitable when you're using a phased array, rather than a single antenna. (Some could call this a "deep null" in such arrays' coverage. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 23:56:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18700 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 06:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 06:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 06:56:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2003 06:56:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:56:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1151 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Without having seen the eBay entry, it sounds like one of the Dick > > Smith Electronics decoder kits that used to be prevalent in > > Australia many years ago. > > Here it is: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3038282688 > > > "Add on AM Stereo Decoder Featuring both the Motorola/Harris systems. > > You can add this decoder to an AM/FM tuner to receive AM stereo > broadcasts. > > This decoder was pulled from an old Teac T-515 AM/FM tuner which were > sold via Dick Smith stores back in the 1980s (the tuner itself was no > good but the decoder works). > > AM stereo is still used by some stations in Australia and the USA." Heh, I was right! Also, they sold these boards separately, prebuilt and as kits. In the brief years DSE was in the US (mid 1980s), they sold some of trhese boards for about $15 (US) as kits. Today, Dick Smith is no longer associated with the company that bears his name, and from what I know, he is STILL sup;portive of AM stereo-- which he was one of Australia's key AMS advocates. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Jul 30 05:15:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56495 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 12:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 12:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 12:15:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2003 12:15:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:14:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Heathkit PT-1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4235 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Hi Jose, I'm very familiar with the Heathkit PT-1 - I own a mint factory=20 assembled Heath WPT-1 [the W standing for factory assembled, also=20 signifyied by Heath rather than Heathkit]. I previously owned a=20 Heathkit PT-1, and many years ago had worked on a third PT-1 - it=20 was the one that got me hooked, big time. In fact, last night I=20 lubed the mechanical tuning mechanism - now those big flywheels=20 really do their job - and I installed a CL-80 current inrush limiter=20 for soft, tube filament saving starts. This also saves wear and=20 tear on the power supply circuitry. I do have a schematic, and I'll see what I can do about emailing it=20 to you. I don't have a scanner, but I am getting a digital camera=20 in the very near future - I may be able to capture it nicely this=20 way. There are three tube sockets over a metal sub chassis - the rest are=20 on PC boards. These three are for the FM front end - RF section etc. Mindful of the fact that the PT-1 uses 16 tubes, with the addition=20 of solid state rectifier diodes, detector diodes etc. you can see=20 that it can be a real brute of a tuner. I have never experienced=20 anything so incrediably sensitive on FM as a PT-1 in good working=20 order. I can routinely pick up FM stations from 100 plus miles=20 away, with a simple vertically polarized dipole antenna located only=20 about 12 feet above ground - total height is only about 130 feet=20 above sea level - the Ramsey TM100. Imagine what I could do with a=20 decent directional antenna on a rotator. As for AM, it is AMAX quality - the demphasis is not quite as much=20 as in a modern AMAX rig, but all this means is that the "highs" are=20 a little brighter than intended. Most people would say it sounds=20 better that way. Any way you slice it, with no NRSC premphasis, it=20 is only 6db down at 9000 Hz. With NSRC preemphasis, there is only a=20 mild peak. It uses an excellant whistle filter, and after the=20 frequency response recovers a bit after 10,000 Hz, but it is down=20 quite a bit. Before going on a tube purchasing frenzy, please check the following: Examine your PT-1 carefully for obvious physical damage. Check for=20 missing parts, and check the top and bottom sides of the PC boards=20 for damage. Keep in mind that this was an early use of PC boards,=20 and the technology was in its infancy. However, the PC boards on=20 all 3 PT-1s I have worked on were fine, even after on one of them=20 reheating virtually all the joints. But, if someone built the kit=20 with a soldering gun, rather than iron, those boards could be in=20 rough shape. Check the solder joints too, some folks did a good job=20 of soldering, others not so good. The soldering job on the factory=20 ones looks great. Assuming you have a VOM or a DVOM, put it on the lower ohms scale,=20 flick on the power switch [PT-1 unplugged], make sure there is a=20 fuse in the holder, and test for continuity of the transformer=20 primary. It should be roughly 7 ohms. If it reads open, it could=20 be the switch, fuse, or the transformer primary. There are other tests that can be done, but I don't have the=20 schematic here at the office. The usual tube gear troubleshooting=20 areas apply - electrolytic capacitors, paper capacitors [in this=20 case molded paper caps], as well as some less common ones - the=20 rectifier diodes etc. Please be patient, and remind me if necessary, but I will get some=20 more info to you. Phil R. PEI Canada --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "softgin2003"=20 wrote: > Hi=20 >=20 > I=B4m new to AMAX. A few days ago I picked up a PT-1 with no tube > for $00 and one Heathkit SS amplifier AA-21DE with 4 final=20 > transistors missed. Search the WEB but little info found about=20 these=20 > rigs. I have read some posts regarding the Pt-1, I don=B4t Know if=20 it=20 > work but I would like to give a try. >=20 > PT-1: The sockets mounted over the pcb are clearly marked with the=20 > tube type but there are 3 sockets over the chasis with no mark. I=20 > would like to know the full set of tubes the PT-1 mounts and if > it=B4s worth to complete and run. I think there is no problem to=20 find=20 > out this tubes here in EU(Switzerland). Also a gif schematic will=20 be=20 > useful.=20 > Any other info will be appreciated. >=20 > regards > Jose From softgin2003@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 08:03:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: softgin2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46602 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 15:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 15:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 15:03:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2003 15:03:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:03:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Heathkit PT-1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Jose" X-Originating-IP: 213.3.2.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=155119050 X-Yahoo-Profile: softgin2003 Hi Phil, Thanks for reply and info. Can you confirm the 3 tube over the metal sub chasis are 6BS8, 6AB4=20 and 12AT7 ???. I am getting the data sheets for the 16 tubes. My intention is to fit the PT-1 here in Geneva-CH and next time I go=20 home (Sevilla-Spain) to put aside my radioamateur station. There I=20 have various FM and 2 meters band antennas in the top of a tower 36=20 feet hight. I have several vintage tuner/receivers but this one seems=20 to me in good condition (for a value of ...$0)and I think it deserve=20 a try despite of 16 missed tube. The line fuse is broken and the ferrite antenna also missing. No=20 obvious damage, PCB=B4s are fine and solder joints too. Mechanical=20 tunning mechanism need a lub. Last nigth I get problem with the front=20 face removal and fitting in place again because of the 2 white dial=20 indicator(AM&FM) to be placed again. I will test continuity in the=20 transfo and a general deep check before purchase the tubes. I will appreciate your schematics.In the meantime you be able to get=20 schematics I will continue to collect info abt AM stereo. Best Regards Jose/EA7BUU from Geneva-CH From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 09:17:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60590 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2003 16:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2003 16:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12803.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2003 16:17:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20030730161732.4318.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:17:32 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: "StereoMaxx" on eBay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is a Modulation Sciences "StereoMaxx"... with careful adjustment, it can be used to provide a very rich, spacious stereo effect, without degrading separation or sound unnaturally exaggerated. I've heard it used on New York City's 1600 WWRL during their days of playing music in AM Stereo and needless to say the results were excellent -- the same songs played on a typical FM station sounded very "wimpy" and "shallow" in comparison. I know the winning bid price won't be cheap, but if you're looking for something really great to add to any Stereo audio chain, this is "da bomb": http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3038211127 A few audio samples of WWRL with their StereoMaxx in use -- and with their NRSC filtering disabled, for true hi-fi sound -- can be found here: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/usa/ny/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Wed Jul 30 18:01:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79970 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 01:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2003 01:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 01:01:24 -0000 Message-ID: <006201c356ff$86c34820$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for equipment Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:43:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You might want to join the CRTech list www.crtech.org for Christian radio station engineers. Seems they had someone getting rid of stuff not too long ago. I've got some Dynamax cart playback machines you can have just for the price of shipping. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 1:44 AM Subject: {AMSF} Looking for equipment > Anybody in NJ,PA Area know of stations tossing equipment? I hear this goes > on a lot. I'm looking for Cart Machines, Broadcast Boards, DA's, Mic's Etc. > I'm willing to travel 100mi. from 08826. Does not matter if equipment needs > repair or is old. I'll take anything. Please though I can only travel up to > 100mi from 08826 And I am driving a toyota corrola, But may for special > items have access to a dakota pickup. > > Thanks, > > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis From stodd@vippn.com Wed Jul 30 18:01:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39577 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 01:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2003 01:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 01:01:26 -0000 Message-ID: <006301c356ff$87bf0d40$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WZRC's IBOC hashes out WGCH 1490 AM Stereo Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:58:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If they don't complain to the FCC it will be everyone's loss- theirs for letting someone else jam their signal, and ours because they didn't take the time to alert everyone that here's a real world example of why IBOC won't work. No complaints and the FCC thinks nothing is wrong. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." WGCH is now virtually non-existant in an area it served > with a strong signal prior to IBOC. The signal is barely audible > under a sea of noise from WZRC's IBOC transmissions. From stodd@vippn.com Wed Jul 30 18:10:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51230 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 01:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2003 01:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 01:10:23 -0000 Message-ID: <008201c35700$cb758900$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC news Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:12:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll have a rather nasty time being able to take advantage of it, then, as out here in the boonies where I live I'm between a major and a few medium markets, so there's a station on every other channel at LEAST. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." The IF bandwidth for > FM IBOC is also significantly greater than that of analog FM. Thus, > if you want to receive an IBOC signal in digital mode, it will not > only have to be at a certain strength, it will also have to be > relatively free of any other adjacent or second-adjacent-channel > stations, simply because of the four times greater bandwidth, and > thus four times worse selectivity, of the digital mode. From stodd@vippn.com Wed Jul 30 18:25:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1966 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 01:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2003 01:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 01:25:51 -0000 Message-ID: <00b201c35702$f4928520$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} converting a Technics SA-250 to AM Stereo? Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:27:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I understand your wanting to economize, but I think you'd have fewer headaches just adding a Chris Cuff decoder. What you propose is likely doable, but at what cost (mostly time-wise?) If you can get a schematic for each unit, perhaps someone can help you. I'd volunteer, but my time is rather limited. At this point we don't know if the problem on the AM side might not be that chip anyway. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > I was wondering if it would be possible to find a way to use the > currently non-functioning SRF-42 (I would like to leave the one that > works alone) to modify the Technics SA-250 tuner I have to be able to > receive AM Stereo broadcasts? From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Jul 30 20:28:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36381 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 03:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2003 03:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.244.124) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 03:28:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:28:22 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav20.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:28:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: References: <006201c356ff$86c34820$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for equipment Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:28:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2003 03:28:22.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB2AC9C0:01C35713] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where do you live scott? How much you figure shipping would be on those units? My zip is 08826. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Jul 30 20:29:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71408 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 03:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2003 03:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.244.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 03:29:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:29:32 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay1-dav24.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:29:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: References: <006201c356ff$86c34820$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oh, Ps: thanks for the info on CRtech Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:29:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2003 03:29:32.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[F502EA70:01C35713] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 07:50:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89316 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 14:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2003 14:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12807.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 14:50:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20030731145030.16548.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:50:30 PDT Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kahn Cam-D news To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20T.?=" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com..... 1380 KRCM is just East of Houston, with 1000 watts daytime and 127 watts at night, both non-directional. KRCM Will Take Part in Kahn's Cam-D Tests ========================================= Is Cam-D gaining a beachhead in the digital radio debate? KRCM(AM) in Beaumont, Texas, said it is one of the 10 stations in the country that will be part of initial trials for the Cam-D digital broadcast system. The system is promoted by Leonard Kahn and is touted as an improvement over the Ibiquity Digital system. Proponents say benefits include full mono audio fidelity on existing analog receivers; enhanced reception; nighttime service; and digital text stream. Kahn told Radio World that he expects the stations to begin field tests by the end of the year. He says Cam-D will restore AM to 15-kHz stereo fidelity by using digital processing. He said, "The receive end of this has a very big potential if it's done right. AM radio going digital and doing the tricks (the system) is capable of, can make the receiver shoot right up. That's where the money is and where our patents will go." Kahn said he would make a small amount of receivers available to his test stations as pre-production models. Read more in an upcoming issue of Radio World. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jul 31 08:02:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30550 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 15:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2003 15:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 15:02:24 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:02:23 -0600 Message-ID: <001501c35774$bfa106d0$5401010a@AM> To: References: <20030731145030.16548.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn Cam-D news Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:02:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think in one of the original CAM-D articles we posted earlier this year mentioned KKDS in Salt Lake City as being one of them. Hopefully they still are. It'll be interesting to see how it affects their audio. Wish I had a contact down there so I could check and see if they're still going to be involved in tests and so forth. Meanwhile on the list, I think only JSGilst is down there in the area. And he's in Houston. I doubt he can pick it up in Houston. Houston is about an hour away from Beaumont and I doubt KRCM's signal gets into Houston very well. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:50 AM Subject: {AMSF} Kahn Cam-D news From www.radioworld.com..... 1380 KRCM is just East of Houston, with 1000 watts daytime and 127 watts at night, both non-directional. KRCM Will Take Part in Kahn's Cam-D Tests ========================================= Is Cam-D gaining a beachhead in the digital radio debate? KRCM(AM) in Beaumont, Texas, said it is one of the 10 stations in the country that will be part of initial trials for the Cam-D digital broadcast system. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 16:28:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84543 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 23:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2003 23:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 23:28:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2003 23:27:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:27:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo Generator on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 393 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This piece of test equipment can be used as an AM Stereo generator: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2548850549 Through the L+R and L-R audio inputs on the back panel, it can transmit an AM Stereo signal on anywhere from 100 kHz to 130 MHz. It doesn't specify which system is used, but I assume C-Quam; it can also generate AM (mono), FM (mono), and "FM+AM" (?) signals. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Jul 31 17:32:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52948 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 00:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2003 00:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 00:32:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2003 00:32:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 00:32:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Heathkit PT-1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3512 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.166.158.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Hello Jose and others who are interested: Here is the list of tubes for the PT-1, from the Sams Photofact: V1 FM RF Amp 6BS8 (6BZ7) V2 FM mixer 6AB4 V3 FM Osc and FM AFC 12AT7 [V1, V2 and V3 are indeed on the FM metal sub chassis] V4 1st FM IF amp EF94/6AU6 V5 2nd FM IF amp EF94/6AU6 V6 3rd FM IF amp EF94/6AU6 V7 1st FM limiter EF94/6AU6 V8 2nd FM limiter EF94/6AU6 V9 Discriminator EB91/6AL5 V10 AM RF amp 6BA6 V11 AM converter 6BE6 V12 1st AM IF amp 6BA6 V13 2nd AM IF amp 6BA6 V14 AVC amp 6AU6 V15 AVC Rect and tuning indicator amp ECC82/12AU7 V16 FM Cath follower and AM cath follower ECC82/12AU7 Note there is no tube rectifier or AM detector. The PT-1 uses solid=20 state power rectifiers (2) 1N1763 and solid state signal diodes (2) 1N264.=20=20 As you can see by the tube and semi-conductor lineup, this is a very=20 high performance rig, when working properly. My PT-1, after 40 years and a trip of about 2000 miles in a fairly=20 poorly padded box [just newspaper, no bubblewrap!] is still more=20 sensitive than any solid state tuner I have yet experienced on FM.=20=20 Imagine if it had a professional alignment!!! While I'm comfy doing=20 an AM alignment, once I have an RF signal generator, I'd leave FM=20 alignment to a seasoned pro. Right now, with a crude antenna, I can=20 pick up a 37 watt FM transmitter with minimal height [the=20 Confederation Bridge info station] 30 plus air miles away. Not too=20 shabby. All the Halifax 100kwers I can pick up here 70% of the time=20 with the PT-1 - that's about 100 air miles away, with a mountain=20 chain in the middle! Basically, I've been able to DX just about=20 every major FM station in the Maritimes, when anything else was just=20 getting locals and near locals - e.g. 60 mile radius. These rigs are=20 scortchers on FM. FM Drift is a factor, of course, until it warms up. AM is sensitive, but not as remarkable as the FM sound. The AM=20 sound, however, is truly remarkable. It is possible to modify them=20 for AM stereo with one of Chris Cuff's decoder boards. When done,=20 the fidelity is superb. You have never heard real AVC until you try a PT-1 [well, maybe with=20 the exception of a Collins R-390.] I hope to be able to forward you a copy of the schematic in the not=20 too distant future. Phil R. PEI Canada --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jose" wrote: > Hi Phil, >=20 > Thanks for reply and info. > Can you confirm the 3 tube over the metal sub chasis are 6BS8, 6AB4=20 > and 12AT7 ???. I am getting the data sheets for the 16 tubes. >=20 > My intention is to fit the PT-1 here in Geneva-CH and next time I=20 go=20 > home (Sevilla-Spain) to put aside my radioamateur station. There I=20 > have various FM and 2 meters band antennas in the top of a tower 36=20 > feet hight. I have several vintage tuner/receivers but this one=20 seems=20 > to me in good condition (for a value of ...$0)and I think it=20 deserve=20 > a try despite of 16 missed tube. >=20 > The line fuse is broken and the ferrite antenna also missing. No=20 > obvious damage, PCB=B4s are fine and solder joints too. Mechanical=20 > tunning mechanism need a lub. Last nigth I get problem with the=20 front=20 > face removal and fitting in place again because of the 2 white=20 dial=20 > indicator(AM&FM) to be placed again. I will test continuity in the=20 > transfo and a general deep check before purchase the tubes. > I will appreciate your schematics.In the meantime you be able to=20 get=20 > schematics I will continue to collect info abt AM stereo. >=20 > Best Regards > Jose/EA7BUU from Geneva-CH From stodd@vippn.com Thu Jul 31 18:11:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8979 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 01:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2003 01:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 01:11:46 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c357ca$26f35f40$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <006201c356ff$86c34820$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for equipment Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:13:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I live in MN. I suspect the cost would be about $20-25 each. I'm in no hurry to get rid of them, so they'll be here for when you or anyone needs one. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > Where do you live scott? How much you figure shipping would be on those units? My zip is 08826. > From brian60420@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 21:05:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95671 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 04:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2003 04:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80606.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.95) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 04:05:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20030801040517.167.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.53.145.25] by web80606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:05:16 PDT Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is trhe Aiwa CR-DS805 AMAX ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Robbins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just purchased a Sony SRF-AX51V AM Stereo/FM Stereo/TV radio from Audiocubes in Japan. The sound is fantastic on AM and FM. AM stereo is very noticable and the FM sounds great as well. It picks up TV channels 4-6 and 7-13. The TV band only lacks channels 2-3 and UHF. Otherwise, I'm very satisfied with the radio. I highly recommend it. $69 +$10 shipping. There's only 3 AM stereo stations here in Chicago. mmolano2000 wrote: > However, a while back somebody posted a link to a web site that's > selling newer Sony AM Stereo radios imported from Japan, at > reasonable prices (under $100 for a brand new one) -- with both > pocket-size "walkman" and larger "mini-boombox" models available. > Does anybody have this link on hand? I have the Sony SRF-A300... follow this link: http://www.audiocubes.com/index.php?cPath=71_65 M.Molano Salamanca Spain. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Jul 31 21:36:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56627 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 04:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2003 04:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 04:36:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2003 04:36:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 04:36:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Heathkit PT-1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4241 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g The AJ-30 is another similar 16 tube Heathkit tuner, that has more=20 interesting styling, and also has separate tuning meters for AM and=20 FM. Another AM/FM tube tuner with an AM section that would probably=20 give the Heathkit a run for the money is the McIntosh MR-66, which=20 also has an RF stage, two IF stages, and amplified AGC like the=20 Heathkit. I wonder if there were any other consumer oriented AM/FM=20 tube tuners with "balls to the wall" AM sections like this? John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "tubesareking" =20 wrote: > Hello Jose and others who are interested: >=20 > Here is the list of tubes for the PT-1, from the Sams Photofact: >=20 > V1 FM RF Amp 6BS8 (6BZ7) > V2 FM mixer 6AB4 > V3 FM Osc and FM AFC 12AT7 > [V1, V2 and V3 are indeed on the FM metal sub chassis] > V4 1st FM IF amp EF94/6AU6 > V5 2nd FM IF amp EF94/6AU6 > V6 3rd FM IF amp EF94/6AU6 > V7 1st FM limiter EF94/6AU6 > V8 2nd FM limiter EF94/6AU6 > V9 Discriminator EB91/6AL5 > V10 AM RF amp 6BA6 > V11 AM converter 6BE6 > V12 1st AM IF amp 6BA6 > V13 2nd AM IF amp 6BA6 > V14 AVC amp 6AU6 > V15 AVC Rect and tuning indicator amp ECC82/12AU7 > V16 FM Cath follower and AM cath follower ECC82/12AU7 >=20 > Note there is no tube rectifier or AM detector. The PT-1 uses solid=20 > state power rectifiers (2) 1N1763 and solid state signal diodes (2) > 1N264.=20=20 > As you can see by the tube and semi-conductor lineup, this is a very=20 > high performance rig, when working properly. >=20 > My PT-1, after 40 years and a trip of about 2000 miles in a fairly=20 > poorly padded box [just newspaper, no bubblewrap!] is still more=20 > sensitive than any solid state tuner I have yet experienced on FM.=20=20 > Imagine if it had a professional alignment!!! While I'm comfy doing=20 > an AM alignment, once I have an RF signal generator, I'd leave FM=20 > alignment to a seasoned pro. Right now, with a crude antenna, I can=20 > pick up a 37 watt FM transmitter with minimal height [the=20 > Confederation Bridge info station] 30 plus air miles away. Not too=20 > shabby. All the Halifax 100kwers I can pick up here 70% of the time=20 > with the PT-1 - that's about 100 air miles away, with a mountain=20 > chain in the middle! Basically, I've been able to DX just about=20 > every major FM station in the Maritimes, when anything else was just=20 > getting locals and near locals - e.g. 60 mile radius. These rigs are=20 > scortchers on FM. FM Drift is a factor, of course, until it warms up. >=20 > AM is sensitive, but not as remarkable as the FM sound. The AM=20 > sound, however, is truly remarkable. It is possible to modify them=20 > for AM stereo with one of Chris Cuff's decoder boards. When done,=20 > the fidelity is superb. >=20 > You have never heard real AVC until you try a PT-1 [well, maybe with=20 > the exception of a Collins R-390.] >=20 > I hope to be able to forward you a copy of the schematic in the not=20 > too distant future. >=20 > Phil R. > PEI Canada > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jose" wrote: > > Hi Phil, > >=20 > > Thanks for reply and info. > > Can you confirm the 3 tube over the metal sub chasis are 6BS8, 6AB4=20 > > and 12AT7 ???. I am getting the data sheets for the 16 tubes. > >=20 > > My intention is to fit the PT-1 here in Geneva-CH and next time I=20 > go=20 > > home (Sevilla-Spain) to put aside my radioamateur station. There I=20 > > have various FM and 2 meters band antennas in the top of a tower 36=20 > > feet hight. I have several vintage tuner/receivers but this one=20 > seems=20 > > to me in good condition (for a value of ...$0)and I think it=20 > deserve=20 > > a try despite of 16 missed tube. > >=20 > > The line fuse is broken and the ferrite antenna also missing. No=20 > > obvious damage, PCB=B4s are fine and solder joints too. Mechanical=20 > > tunning mechanism need a lub. Last nigth I get problem with the=20 > front=20 > > face removal and fitting in place again because of the 2 white=20 > dial=20 > > indicator(AM&FM) to be placed again. I will test continuity in the=20 > > transfo and a general deep check before purchase the tubes. > > I will appreciate your schematics.In the meantime you be able to=20 > get=20 > > schematics I will continue to collect info abt AM stereo. > >=20 > > Best Regards > > Jose/EA7BUU from Geneva-CH From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 22:31:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98989 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 05:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2003 05:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 05:31:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2003 05:30:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 05:30:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Panasonic AM Stereo generator for $50 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1701 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The following web site lists a Panasonic VP-8253P AM Stereo generator for sale for $50.00. I don't know if they still have it in stock, but at that price it's worth an inquiry: http://www.radmar.com/used.htm I have that same model myself and it's an excellent piece of equipment. It is a *multi-system* generator with C-Quam, Harris (fixed 55 Hz pilot version), Kahn, and Magnavox modes, frequency- agile from 200 to 2000 kHz in 10 Hz steps. Left and Right input jacks allow you to transmit true Stereo audio at up to +125% / -100% modulation, with an overmodulation warning light. The pilot tone can be modulated at any level up to 12.5% (versus a normal level of 4.0% to 5.0%), adjustable in 0.1% steps. It also has an RF output level control; at the maximum setting of "133 dB EMF", its power is comparable to a "Part 15" 100 mW AM transmitter. There are 99 available presets which store all the settings (frequency, AM Stereo mode, RF output level, etc.) for any confurations you may commonly use. Mine was built in 1984, with an extremely sturdy and well-shielded metal case -- yet it surprisingly isn't that heavy, and even includes a carrying handle. Overall, it's about the size of a large briefcase. $50 would be an absolute steal for one of these Panasonic AM Stereo generators. I paid $100 (plus shipping) for mine, and even at that price I think it was an incredible bargain. In all of the modes, it produces the absolutely best-sounding AM Stereo I've ever heard, with incredibly wide separation and excellent frequency response (it must be flat up to 20 kHz, if not greater). Even many FM transmitters would have trouble matching its level of quality! From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 11:11:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68938 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 18:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2003 18:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80506.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 18:11:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20030801181137.73547.qmail@web80506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.106] by web80506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:11:37 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Heathkit PT-1 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > > The AJ-30 is another similar 16 tube Heathkit tuner, > that has more > interesting styling, and also has separate tuning > meters for AM and > FM. Another AM/FM tube tuner with an AM section > that would probably > give the Heathkit a run for the money is the > McIntosh MR-66, which > also has an RF stage, two IF stages, and amplified > AGC like the > Heathkit. I wonder if there were any other consumer > oriented AM/FM > tube tuners with "balls to the wall" AM sections > like this? > > John I have a Fisher tube console that's decent. Has 2 6BQ5's in each output. Separate chassis for tuner and amps. VERY heavy. I remember when I had it in Atlanta ( where I got it for $25 ) it worked on FM when all of the solid state stuff wouldn't. I was in midtown, and the kid next door spent $1000 and his tuner section on FM was useless. It grossed him out the Fisher worked fine. There was a FM station that simulcasted their rock format on their AM, and the place on the dial...well switching from AM to FM the 2 stations were at the same place on the tuner. You could tell almost NO difference in the audio. Well, the AM sounded a bit more open as the processing wasn't so agressive. The FM tuner is a bit wide for the crammed up band of today, but it is a decent unit. It must weigh 400 pounds... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Aug 01 12:48:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49339 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 19:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2003 19:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 19:48:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2003 19:47:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:47:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 768 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g I know there are a lot of part 15 gurus in this group, and I am hoping one of you can answer a question I have on the FCC part 15 power input limitations for unlicensed operation in the AM broadcast band. In section 15.219 (a) of the FCC regulations it says, "The total input power to the final radio frequency stage (exclusive of filament or heater power) shall not exceed 100 milliwatts." My question is this, in a transmitter high level modulation of a class C final radio frequency stage, like in Powell's RCA, does the 100 milliwatt input limit refer just to the DC input to the final radio frequency stage, or does it also include the audio frequency power supplied by the modulator? Also what is the reasoning that lead to your conclusion. John From stodd@vippn.com Fri Aug 01 12:58:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28045 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 19:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2003 19:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 19:58:48 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c35867$9b7f68c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:00:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude DC to the final. Got that info direct from an FCC guy many moons ago. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "bta_50g" does the 100 milliwatt input > limit refer just to the DC input to the final radio frequency stage, > or does it also include the audio frequency power supplied by the > modulator? Also what is the reasoning that lead to your conclusion. > > John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 16:37:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75630 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 23:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2003 23:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 23:37:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2003 23:37:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:37:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c35867$9b7f68c0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1242 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > DC to the final. Got that info direct from an FCC guy many moons > ago. > ST And if you use a carrier-current setup, there is no power limit... instead, there is a radiated field strength limit, like with Part 15 on the FM band. Especially on college campuses (campi?), there are AM carrier-current stations that are 20 watts or more, and are still perfectly legal according to the FCC Part 15 rules. But the reality is, especially on the AM band, if you don't interfere with other stations, don't spread harmonics across the spectrum, don't overmodulate, and don't transmit obscene material, the FCC will usually leave you alone, regardless if your setup meets the Part 15 specs or not. Indeed, somewhere there's a web site listing all the pirate stations that the FCC has busted in the past few years, and at least 95% of them were FM stations. Not that I am encouraging any activity that is technically illegal... but that's the well-proven reality. The FCC has better things to do than to bust the chops of somebody who really isn't causing any trouble. And for every one pirate AM station, there's at least 100 dimmer switches and other consumer devices in use which cause much greater harm to the RF spectrum. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Aug 01 17:50:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33361 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 00:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 00:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.117) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 00:50:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:50:26 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav13.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 00:50:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panasonic AM Stereo generator for $50 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:50:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2003 00:50:26.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FFD0180:01C35890] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm buying it. I put in a call about it but they're on vacation i'll hear about it monday. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 19:09:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85747 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 02:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 02:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80513.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 02:09:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20030802020930.84657.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.111] by web80513.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:09:30 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > > I know there are a lot of part 15 gurus in this > group, and I am hoping > one of you can answer a question I have on the FCC > part 15 power input > limitations for unlicensed operation in the AM > broadcast band. In > section 15.219 (a) of the FCC regulations it says, > "The total input > power to the final radio frequency stage (exclusive > of filament or > heater power) shall not exceed 100 milliwatts." My > question is this, > in a transmitter high level modulation of a class C > final radio > frequency stage, like in Powell's RCA, does the 100 > milliwatt input > limit refer just to the DC input to the final radio > frequency stage, > or does it also include the audio frequency power > supplied by the > modulator? Also what is the reasoning that lead to > your conclusion. > > John It doesn't say, so I guess you are safe. But the real kicker, read the section about the antenna. That's the real limiting factor! And I wish it WERE my RCA!!! Powell ( fast post ..big thunderstorms popping up !) ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Aug 01 19:27:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21164 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 02:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 02:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 02:27:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2003 02:27:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 02:27:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 648 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.157 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > But the reality is, especially on the AM band, if you don't > interfere with other stations, don't spread harmonics across the > spectrum, don't overmodulate, and don't transmit obscene material, > the FCC will usually leave you alone, regardless if your setup meets > the Part 15 specs or not. Indeed, somewhere there's a web site > listing all the pirate stations that the FCC has busted in the past > few years, and at least 95% of them were FM stations. Maybe that's simply indicative of the fact that few Pirates are on the AM MW broadcast band. John From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 19:34:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4756 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 02:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 02:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 02:34:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2003 02:34:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 02:34:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1102 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > > But the reality is, especially on the AM band, if you don't > > interfere with other stations, don't spread harmonics across the > > spectrum, don't overmodulate, and don't transmit obscene material, > > the FCC will usually leave you alone, regardless if your setup meets > > the Part 15 specs or not. Indeed, somewhere there's a web site > > listing all the pirate stations that the FCC has busted in the past > > few years, and at least 95% of them were FM stations. > > > Maybe that's simply indicative of the fact that few Pirates are on the > AM MW broadcast band. There are quite a few p15 MW stations in the US. From http:www.part15.org/ , there is this list of Part 15 stations known in the US as of 2001- http://home.att.net/~weatheradio/part15.htm There are probably a couple lists more recent than that. And of course, you might want to ask Chris Cuff just gow many Alfredo Lites he has sold. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Aug 01 19:34:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30091 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 02:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 02:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 02:34:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2003 02:34:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 02:34:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030802020930.84657.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 273 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.157 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < w4opw@y...> wrote: > > And I wish it WERE my RCA!!! There is one of the frequently mentioned McMartin BA1Ks on eBay. Check this URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3038946772 John From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 19:37:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21063 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 02:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 02:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 02:37:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2003 02:37:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 02:37:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 336 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: =snip= > There are quite a few p15 MW stations in the US. From > http:www.part15.org/ , there is this list of Part 15 stations known > in the US as of 2001- http://home.att.net/~weatheradio/part15.htm Typo there- http://www.part15.org/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Aug 01 19:48:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62943 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 02:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 02:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 02:48:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2003 02:48:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 02:48:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 536 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.173 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > There are quite a few p15 MW stations in the US. From > http:www.part15.org/ , there is this list of Part 15 stations known > in the US as of 2001- http://home.att.net/~weatheradio/part15.htm > > There are probably a couple lists more recent than that. And of > course, you might want to ask Chris Cuff just gow many Alfredo Lites > he has sold. :) Part 15 and Pirate stations are two entirely different things, one legal and the other not. John From brian60420@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 19:57:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10904 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 02:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 02:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80603.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 02:57:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20030802025755.29342.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.53.145.25] by web80603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:57:55 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE:{AMSF} Re: Is trhe Aiwa CR-DS805 AMAX ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Robbins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By the way, with my Sony SRF-AX51V AM Stereo/FM Stereo/TV walkman style radio from Japan, I'm able to listen to an AM Stereo station KWKH in Louisiana. I'm in Chicago. Clear Channel station in AM Stereo? Yes and Country Music to boot. (Get it?) I'd like to see/hear IBOC deliver me a clear sounding station that's 900 miles away. Brian Robbins Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 20:06:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92200 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 03:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 03:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 03:06:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2003 03:06:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 03:06:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 979 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > > > There are quite a few p15 MW stations in the US. From > > http:www.part15.org/ , there is this list of Part 15 stations known > > in the US as of 2001- http://home.att.net/~weatheradio/part15.htm > > > > There are probably a couple lists more recent than that. And of > > course, you might want to ask Chris Cuff just gow many Alfredo Lites > > he has sold. :) > > Part 15 and Pirate stations are two entirely different things, one > legal and the other not. True- We haven't had anything like Radio New York International for the better part of 20 years on the MW band. FM and shortwave, that's a different story, like Radio Free Berkeley, which was behind the LPFM movement a few years back. And there are always a few pirates scattered across shortwave. I have a few QSL cards of some. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Aug 01 21:04:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 866 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 04:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 04:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 04:04:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:04:17 -0700 Received: from 172.140.32.139 by bay7-dav26.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 04:04:16 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:45:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2003 04:04:17.0426 (UTC) FILETIME=[24A9B720:01C358AB] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.140.32.139] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 bta_50g wrote: >My question is this, in a transmitter high level modulation of a class C final radio frequency stage, like in Powell's RCA, I thought I was the only one crazy enough to run a RCA Broadcast transmitter into a dummy load just to play radio! LOL > > does the 100 milliwatt input limit refer just to the DC input to the final radio frequency stage, Yes Kevin From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Aug 01 21:08:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86126 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 04:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 04:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.122) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 04:08:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:08:43 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav18.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 04:08:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Panasonic AMS (attn: kevin t.) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:08:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2003 04:08:43.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[C378C670:01C358AB] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hey kevin, How much power does that panasonic put out and is it adjustable. I'm going to buy it. My idea was to build a 100mw DC input linear and put it in a weather box along with a tuning network right at the 10ft whip and feed DC up the coax. I think this is legal. Any suggestions? Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Aug 01 22:19:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46238 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 05:19:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 05:19:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.63) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 05:19:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:19:52 -0700 Received: from 172.140.32.139 by bay7-dav55.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 05:19:52 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: , , , , , References: Subject: Re: [MSM] Re: (fwd) Radio question Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 01:19:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2003 05:19:52.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3EFFC00:01C358B5] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.140.32.139] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Speaking of radios, My good ole Sangean ATS-818 was reliable as a rock and went on many trips into the field, but it died the other day. While I still may try to resurrect it, (The CPU croaked and my first generation ATS-818 does NOT use the same CPU as the current model.) I am kicking around the idea of replacing it with a Grundig YB-400PE. I like the idea that the Grundig is about the same size as my Realistic DX-380 (Sangean ATS-808 clone), but I wonder what the sound quality and RF performance is like. Possum "I would rather live as a wolf, knowing that I was being hunted, because I would be free as long as I was alive. A sheep lives only as long as it pleases the shepherd to fleece it, then it is slaughtered, or left to the wolves." : Easyrunner in Misc.survivalism From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 22:29:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24340 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 05:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 05:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 05:29:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2003 05:29:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 05:29:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Panasonic AMS (attn: kevin t.) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 575 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > How much power does that panasonic put out and is it adjustable. > I'm going to buy it. My idea was to build a 100mw DC input linear > and put it in a weather box along with a tuning network right at > the 10ft whip and feed DC up the coax. I think this is legal. Any > suggestions? The Panasonic AM Stereo Generator's RF output is continuously adjustable from practically nothing up to 132 dB EMF. I don't know how that converts into milliwatts, but based on the coverage that maximum setting provides with my own setup, I'd say it's in the range of 100 to 200 mW. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 23:36:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30608 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 06:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 06:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 06:36:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20030802063647.36888.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.248.64] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:36:47 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [MSM] Re: (fwd) Radio question To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Speaking of radios, > My good ole Sangean ATS-818 was reliable as a rock > and went on many trips > into the field, but it died the other day. While I > still may try to > resurrect it, (The CPU croaked and my first > generation ATS-818 does NOT use > the same CPU as the current model.) I am kicking > around the idea of > replacing it with a Grundig YB-400PE. I like the > idea that the Grundig is > about the same size as my Realistic DX-380 (Sangean > ATS-808 clone), but I > wonder what the sound quality and RF performance is > like. >My Sangean is absoulutely useless on AM.Its as gutless as but its quite sensitive on FM so its still good for FM.I now have a Sony SRF A300 and its as powerful as a superadio III and it gets AMS. Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Aug 02 06:22:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76192 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 13:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 13:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO BAY0-HMR14.adinternal.hotmail.com) (65.54.241.213) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 13:22:56 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.10.17]) by BAY0-HMR14.adinternal.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 2 Aug 2003 06:22:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 06:22:55 -0700 Received: from 172.155.80.38 by bay7-dav45.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 13:22:55 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20030802063647.36888.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [MSM] Re: (fwd) Radio question Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:22:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2003 13:22:55.0818 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F2E72A0:01C358F9] Return-Path: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.155.80.38] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Michael and Ross wrote: >My Sangean is absoulutely useless on AM. Its as gutless as but its quite sensitive on FM I have a Realistic DX-380 (Sangean ATS-808 clone). It has too much microprocessor noise on the Long Wave band, but would get Atlantic 252 in the Winter when hooked to my Alpha-Delta Sloper antenna. On Medium Wave and FM, it is so-so, but the Short-Wave is great. The only draw-backs are it will not pick up Single Side Band, It has too much microprocessor noise, it eats AA batteries like mad, and picks up too much noise and hash to be useful when using an after-market AC adapter. The factory AC adapter is for 220 Volt 50 Cycle power and has an Asia-Pacific power plug. My Sangean ATS-818 was an OK radio. It's performance was about the same as the DX-380, but it is in a bigger cabinet with a big speaker, so it sounds much better. This radio has an old style BFO for listening to Single Side Band and CW. It also has more cons than the DX-380. Now mind you my ATS-818 is a first generation radio, and they may have fixed some of it's problems in the later production years. First gripe is quality. It took 3 tries to get a new one that played out of the box! Electronic Equipment Bank was very nice about it, and on the third try, they bench tested it before they shipped it to me. Sometimes, but not all of the time, when you changed the batteries, the microprocessor would lock up so you would have to remove the radio as well as the back-up batteries for a few hours to re-set it. The LCD display sucks. You can only see it from dead-on in front or below the unit. It washes out if you look at it from any other angle. When you use the back light the display almost washes away completely. The only way you can read the backlit display is to lay the radio on it's back and read the display from below! I think I will go ahead and get the Grundig to play with it. If worse comes to worse, I can always return it for a refund. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 08:28:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88163 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 15:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 15:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80512.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 15:28:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20030802152830.80898.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80512.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 08:28:30 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radios for replacing your old SW.... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Kevin up the hill near GSP: I have a YB-400. It stayed in the shop ( had to be sent back 3 times) because the BFO er product detector didn't work, and it's still useless. The Sony 7600 series or the ATS-909 would be a better purchase. The ATS-909 has RDS. The YB does not. The ATS 909 runs on 4 AA's the YB 6. The ATS-909 is a battery pig. The ATS 909 has a good line out. I think a S-350 Grunding might be a good thing to look at, but it is only single conversion. What exactly do you need the radio to do. The signal strength LED bar graph on the ATS 909 is more accurate, and also doubles as batter indicator. The YB doesn't. When the low battery flashes....you have seconds before shut down.... ]:) Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 11:27:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83077 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 18:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 18:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 18:27:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2003 18:27:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 18:27:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radios for replacing your old SW.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030802152830.80898.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 835 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Although I have no personal experience with Sony shortwave radios, looking around for the reviews online, I would say Sony is the best bet of any reasonably-priced all-band receiver, both in power consumption and reception. (Also, some of Sony's digitally-tuned models use sync detectors- essentially the same chip used for AM stereo in Sony's AMS models over the years!) Grundig has tanked in quality for nearly a decade now, and as some, including myself, have noted, that Sangean's radios fall apart too easily, and chug batteries like there's no tomorrow. (The Radio Shack DX-380 and DX-398, amongst other models, are just rebranded Sangeans, not clones.) Besides, there's an AM stereo mod for the Sony 2010 which should work well with other Sony sync-detection models) linked from Alex K's page. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 11:53:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11473 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 18:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 18:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80509.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 18:53:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20030802185323.95324.qmail@web80509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 11:53:23 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radios for replacing your old SW.... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > Although I have no personal experience with Sony > shortwave radios, > looking around for the reviews online, I would say > Sony is the best > bet of any reasonably-priced all-band receiver, both > in power > consumption and reception. (Also, some of Sony's > digitally-tuned > models use sync detectors- essentially the same chip > used for AM > stereo in Sony's AMS models over the years!) The ICF-7600GR ( or whatever it is now) does have sync detection but it is not nearly as good as the one in the now discontimued ICF-2010. > Grundig has tanked in quality for nearly a decade > now, and as some, > including myself, have noted, that Sangean's radios > fall apart too > easily, and chug batteries like there's no tomorrow. > (The Radio Shack > DX-380 and DX-398, amongst other models, are just > rebranded Sangeans, > not clones.) I'd rate the ATS-909 (DX-398 when it was sold by RS) excellent for the money. I only use rechargeables in that radio and the Grundig. > Besides, there's an AM stereo mod for the Sony 2010 > which should work > well with other Sony sync-detection models) linked > from Alex K's > page. :) I have a 2010, but am not doing that mod. It's not even stereo in FM. I do need to get it fixed where it works on the internal batteries again. [ a fault this model has had since it was first introduced and Sony never bothered to fix...] Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 11:55:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66838 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 18:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 18:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 18:55:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2003 18:55:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 18:55:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Other RDS portables Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 345 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Much has been mention of the Sangean/Radio Shack portable with RDS here, and bemoaning the lack of RDS-capable portables. There are some in the UK worth checking out: http://www.ogormans.co.uk/rds.htm I don't know how good Roberts is, but looking around, they seem like decent radios, even though they're a UK-only brand. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 11:59:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74004 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 18:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 18:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 18:59:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2003 18:59:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 18:59:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radios for replacing your old SW.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 325 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: =snip= > Besides, there's an AM stereo mod for the Sony 2010 which should work > well with other Sony sync-detection models) linked from Alex K's > page. :) And here it is: http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/sony2010.htm Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 12:55:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91150 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 19:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 19:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80513.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 19:55:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20030802195552.48150.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80513.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 12:55:52 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Other RDS portables To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > Much has been mention of the Sangean/Radio Shack > portable with RDS > here, and bemoaning the lack of RDS-capable > portables. > > There are some in the UK worth checking out: > > http://www.ogormans.co.uk/rds.htm > > I don't know how good Roberts is, but looking > around, they seem like > decent radios, even though they're a UK-only brand. Roberts 3rd party retails a lot of Sangean. Those are the RDS radios we cannot get domestically. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 13:02:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44391 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 20:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 20:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 20:02:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20030802200205.33138.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.248.64] by web41206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 13:02:05 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Is LW ever used for AM Stereo? In NZ it only has beacons on it-Also wouldnt LW from Europe could be recieved in the States especially the eastern seaboard? Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Sat Aug 02 14:10:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55067 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 21:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 21:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 21:10:32 -0000 Message-ID: <004101c3593a$cb66e800$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 16:12:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's only a few hours from where I am- it would be an easy pickup, but there's not a snowball's chance in a blast furnace that I'm gonna pay a kilobuck for a Mc Martian. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "bta_50g" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < > w4opw@y...> wrote: > > > > And I wish it WERE my RCA!!! > > There is one of the frequently mentioned McMartin BA1Ks on eBay. > Check this URL: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3038946772 > > John > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From michaelj@vcn.com Sat Aug 02 15:39:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1201 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 22:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 22:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 22:39:43 -0000 Received: from michael.netdragon (unverified [209.193.86.9]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 16:39:42 -0600 Message-ID: <000b01c35950$82971120$7000a8c0@netdragon> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 16:47:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo That's our transmitter. The exact one :) Michael n WYO KEVA Country AM Stereo 1240 ----- Original Message ----- From: "bta_50g" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? > There is one of the frequently mentioned McMartin BA1Ks on eBay. > Check this URL: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3038946772 > > John From michaelj@vcn.com Sat Aug 02 15:41:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47771 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 22:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 22:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 22:41:44 -0000 Received: from michael.netdragon (unverified [209.193.86.9]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 16:41:44 -0600 Message-ID: <001201c35950$cb34d980$7000a8c0@netdragon> To: References: <20030802025755.29342.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RE:{AMSF} Re: Is trhe Aiwa CR-DS805 AMAX ? Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 16:50:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo NO KIDDING!? I hadn't heard too much about KWKH although I had heard they'd switched over to Classic Country from sports/talk. Had NO clue that they were stereo, though. That's awesome!!! Louisiana is my old stomping grounds. Born and raised there. Wish I could pick them up here in Wyo. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Robbins" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 7:57 PM Subject: RE:{AMSF} Re: Is trhe Aiwa CR-DS805 AMAX ? > By the way, with my Sony SRF-AX51V AM Stereo/FM Stereo/TV walkman style radio from Japan, I'm able to listen to an AM Stereo station KWKH in Louisiana. I'm in Chicago. Clear Channel station in AM Stereo? Yes and Country Music to boot. (Get it?) I'd like to see/hear IBOC deliver me a clear sounding station that's 900 miles away. > > > Brian Robbins > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 16:09:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33996 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 23:09:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 23:09:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 23:09:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2003 23:09:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 23:09:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c35950$82971120$7000a8c0@netdragon> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 474 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That's our transmitter. The exact one :) > > Michael n WYO > KEVA Country AM Stereo 1240 I wish I had kept my old Gonset G-76 ham radio transceiver. When keyed up, some of its tubes would glow PURPLE. I've never seen another radio do that, and didn't blow up or anything so I think that's the way it was designed. It put out a healthy 60 watts of AM, on 80 through 6 meters -- too bad it didn't tune down to the AM broadcast band, like some other ham rigs. :-) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 16:50:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94595 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 23:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2003 23:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 23:50:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2003 23:50:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 23:50:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Congrats Phil... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 324 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Our pal Phil from the U.K. was once again a big spender on eBay, this time scoring a Modulation Sciences "StereoMaxx" processor: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3038211127 Combined with his CRL Matrix Processor, also won on eBay recently, it should make for one fantastic-sounding AM Stereo station! From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 17:59:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16704 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 00:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 00:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 00:59:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2003 00:59:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 00:59:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: LW Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030802200205.33138.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1035 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Is LW ever used for AM Stereo? It could. I don't know if anyone has modified even an Alfredo Lite for longwave, but the AMS generators (like Mr. Tekel's) can tune from 200kHz up, so why not? I do know at least one AMS enthusiast has listened to LW in forced AMS: http://www.amstereo.audio- stream.net/amstereo/files/stations/longwave/FCH-XX344kHzbeacons.mp3 (Cut & paste, as usual.) > In NZ it only has beacons on it-Also wouldnt LW from > Europe could be recieved in the States especially the > eastern seaboard? It's mostly beacons here, as well, and yes, the North American east coast gets some LW broadcast stations, and here on the west coast, we get a small number of LW stations, mostly from the Russian far east. However, it's not just Europe that uses longwave for broadcasting- Much of Africa and the Middle East do as well. About the same criteria for shortwave applies to longwave, insofar as bandwidth goes. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 18:03:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2054 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 01:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 01:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 01:03:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2003 01:03:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 01:03:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: LW Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 259 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > It's mostly beacons here, as well, and yes, the North American east Just as a side note, even the longwave non-directional beacons are disappearing in the US. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 19:03:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45730 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 02:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 02:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 02:03:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2003 02:03:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 02:03:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: LW Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1198 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Just as a side note, even the longwave non-directional beacons are > disappearing in the US. Most of their functionality is being replaced by GPS, but especially at smaller airports, many remain in service. Here in New Jersey, when I had a Becker LW/MW/SW/FM radio in my car, which tunes 145-300 kHz on Longwave, I was able to receive these beacons using only the standard 34-inch whip antenna: 241 kHz "EW" - Newark International Airport, Newark, NJ 254 kHz "CAT" - Morristown Municipal Airport, Chatham, NJ 268 kHz "RT" - John F. Kennedy International Airport, New York, NY On the Shortwave band (covering 5.9-6.3 MHz), I was also able to receive the U.S. Coast Guard beacon "NMN" on 6316 kHz from Portsmouth, VA. The full name of this radio is the "Becker Europa Cassette Vollstereo 594", and it's at least 20 years old. In fact, the FM band only tunes up to 104 MHz, because in Germany that's all they used back then. The radio is currently awaiting service to restore proper AGC action (I had to turn the volume nearly all the way up to hear these weak signals) and repair the cassette player. It uses a 460 kHz IF, so conversion to AM Stereo is on the list as well. From baansy@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 22:03:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2173 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 05:03:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 05:03:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 05:03:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2003 05:03:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 05:03:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SIMULATED AM STEREO Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 378 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 61.9.128.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy I was looking at an electronics catalogue the other day and found a project for a stereo simulator. It uses digital delay to create artificial stereo from a mono feed. Also the SILICON CHIP magazine here in Australia published a SYNTHESISED AM STEREO TUNER in 1991. Has anyone on the forum ever experimented with a stereo simulator or built a SYNTHESISED AM STEREO TUNER? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 22:14:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18229 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 05:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 05:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 05:14:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2003 05:14:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 05:14:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 408 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key > And for every one pirate AM station, there's at least 100 > dimmer switches and other consumer devices in use which cause much > greater harm to the RF spectrum. Agreed. And, speaking of non-intended RF generators, what can I do about my brother's laptop so I can hear 1,000 stations 100 miles away and still be < 5 feet from his computer? My SRF-42 is having problems picking up some stations there. From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat Aug 02 22:48:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21491 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 05:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 05:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 05:48:18 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030803054817.MUOO7551.fed1mtao02.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 01:48:17 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:48:17 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <14816A98-C576-11D7-AD1F-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Have him get a better laptop. On Saturday, August 2, 2003, at 10:14 PM, pianoplayer88key wrote: > > Agreed. And, speaking of non-intended RF generators, what can I do > about my brother's laptop so I can hear 1,000 stations 100 miles away > and still be < 5 feet from his computer? My SRF-42 is having problems > picking up some stations there. > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 01:02:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36827 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 08:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 08:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 08:02:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2003 08:02:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:02:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: noisy laptop computer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <14816A98-C576-11D7-AD1F-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1270 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Have him get a better laptop. My IBM ThinkPad 560E (an older P-166MMX model) is remarkably "quiet" in terms of RF emissions when in use -- but only after I replaced its supplied IBM power supply "brick" with a generic model that doesn't spew hiss and hash all over the AM and Shortwave bands. So, try unplugging that laptop's power supply and running it on the battery -- does that get rid of a lot of the interference? Then, the power supply is to blame. The computer itself will have some built-in voltage regulation, so you don't necessarily have to keep the same exact voltage when choosing a replacement power supply -- my IBM's original was 16 volts DC, and the replacement is 19 volts, but works absolutely fine. Unless you have a really cheap laptop, it will usually just refuse to turn on -- with no harm done -- if the power supply is putting out the wrong voltage or polarity. p.s. Another issue of "noise" from laptop computers is COOLING FAN noise. With today's faster, hotter-running CPUs, this is inevitable, but some are merely a whoosh while others are an all-out howl (Sony and Toshiba are among the worst). Thankfully, my ThinkPad has no fan at all, and I've had it running continuously for MONTHS without ever overheating. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 04:23:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27176 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 11:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 11:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80503.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 11:23:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20030803112340.7929.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 04:23:40 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 04:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} LW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030802200205.33138.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Michael and Ross wrote: > Is LW ever used for AM Stereo? > In NZ it only has beacons on it-Also wouldnt LW from > Europe could be recieved in the States especially > the > eastern seaboard? > > Michael I am 120 miles from the eastern coast in South Carolina. I have NEVER heard any of the European LW stations, though some serious DX'ers have. I have never tried from the beach at night, though. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 04:29:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75351 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 11:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 11:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80504.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 11:29:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20030803112939.37067.qmail@web80504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 04:29:39 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 04:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > I wish I had kept my old Gonset G-76 ham radio > transceiver. When > keyed up, some of its tubes would glow PURPLE. I've > never seen > another radio do that, and didn't blow up or > anything so I think > that's the way it was designed. It put out a > healthy 60 watts of > AM, on 80 through 6 meters -- too bad it didn't tune > down to the AM > broadcast band, like some other ham rigs. :-) And the G-76 is getting hard to find WITH the power supply. Might have had some gassy tubes, or a voltage regulator tube that operates only in transmit mode. As a side note, I had noticed that the ( now retired ) Hallicrafters SX-71 acted strange when I first turned it on. So, I looked at the tubes when I turned the set on. 2 purple tubes? HMMM! There's only one gas VR tube...so I opened it up. The 5Y3 rectifier thought it had to be a gas filled rectifier I guess. I replaced that FAST! I need to do some work on the HQ-180A as the calibration has drifted, so I might just press the SX-71 back in to use. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Aug 03 07:47:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76188 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 14:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 14:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.115) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 14:47:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 07:47:26 -0700 Received: from 172.148.147.96 by bay7-dav11.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 14:47:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: , , , , , , Subject: The Sangean ATS-818 Has Been Replaced! Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:47:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2003 14:47:26.0697 (UTC) FILETIME=[2812ED90:01C359CE] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.148.147.96] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Yesterday, I went down to my local Rat Shack dealer looking at short-wave radios. After playing with a Grundig Yacht Boy YB-400PE for about 30 minutes in the parking lot, I took one home with me. I will have to say the little radio makes a great first impression. Because it is about the same size as my Realistic DX-380 (Sangean ATS-808 clone), I was expecting the same "Tin can" audio. While it certainly does not sound like the old tube Grundigs of the 1960s, The "Grundig Sound" sure comes through! On headphones, the sound is wonderful. Grundig made a good compromise between fidelity and selectivity for a short-wave radio. The medium wave tuner is amazing. In the parking lot test, it was a bit more sensitive then the Sangean PRD3L (Gray Market version of the CC Radio) and blew away the ATS-909. When I got it home, I wanted to see how the tuner reacted to overload. When My old Sangean ATS-818 was hooked directly to my Alpha Delta Sloper without padding it down, The tuner would overload so all I could hear was WLFJ 660 on the bottom of the dial, WCSZ 1070 in the middle of the band, and WGVL 1440 in the top of the band! When I hooked the Grundig to the same antenna, I was getting a signal on almost every single channel from 550 to 1600, and a talking house transmitter on 1640 over 1 1/4 Miles away! The Grundig also does not have the image 900Khz below strong AM stations like the Sangean had. On short-wave, The Grundig will bring in stations on the built in whip that the DX-380 has buried in receiver noise. Even with the Grundig reel antenna hooked to the DX-380, the Grundig still blows it away with just the whip antenna. In a grounded steel building with the antenna lowered, the Grundig has no birdies. The FM is equally impressive. With my Channel Master crossfire FM antenna, I was listening to WJZX 99.7 196 Miles Southeast of my location. It has about the same RF performance as a McIntosh MR80 I repaired for a friend of mine. I am going to keep my YB-400PE. It was well worth the $128.95 I paid for it on sale. In fact, it is still a great deal at full retail! Thanks to all who posted their opinions on the radio. Possum Tsalagihi Ayili Lower Cherokee Nation From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Aug 03 07:52:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53458 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 14:52:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 14:52:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 14:52:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 07:52:22 -0700 Received: from 172.148.147.96 by bay7-dav30.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 14:52:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: noisy laptop computer Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:52:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2003 14:52:22.0122 (UTC) FILETIME=[D82934A0:01C359CE] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.148.147.96] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: > My IBM ThinkPad 560E (an older P-166MMX model) is remarkably "quiet" in terms of RF emissions when in use -- but only after I replaced its supplied IBM power supply "brick" with a generic model that doesn't spew hiss and hash all over the AM and Shortwave bands. My IBM 600E (300Mhz Pentium2) is also very quiet. As I write this, I am listening to the BBC on 15190 with my Grundig YB-400PE sitting just a few inches from the computer! Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Aug 03 07:56:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93736 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 14:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 14:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 14:56:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 07:56:29 -0700 Received: from 172.148.147.96 by bay7-dav50.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 14:56:29 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20030803112340.7929.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} LW Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:56:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2003 14:56:29.0857 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BD29110:01C359CF] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.148.147.96] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > I am 120 miles from the eastern coast in South Carolina. I have NEVER heard any of the European LW stations, On Cold, Clear Winter nights, I used to listen to Atlantic 252. After I couldn't hear it last year, I did some checking and the station has gone silent :-( I posted MP3s of their jingles on the AMRadioDX group files section. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Aug 03 07:58:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 470 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 14:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 14:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 14:58:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 07:58:50 -0700 Received: from 172.148.147.96 by bay7-dav29.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 14:58:50 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <004101c3593a$cb66e800$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:58:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2003 14:58:50.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF745380:01C359CF] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.148.147.96] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > That's only a few hours from where I am- it would be an easy pickup, but there's not a snowball's chance in a blast furnace that I'm gonna pay a kilobuck for a Mc Martian. I wouldn't waste the gasoline to go get a FREE McMartin! Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 08:45:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35332 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 15:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 15:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80503.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 15:45:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20030803154517.46567.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:45:17 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 08:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Sangean ATS-818 Has Been Replaced! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Yesterday, I went down to my local Rat Shack dealer > looking at short-wave > radios. After playing with a Grundig Yacht Boy > YB-400PE for about 30 minutes > in the parking lot, I took one home with me. I have mine somewhere. I have hidden it from myself.... I went out and found it buried in the car.... ]:) > I will have to say the little radio makes a great > first impression. Because > it is about the same size as my Realistic DX-380 > (Sangean ATS-808 clone), I > was expecting the same "Tin can" audio. While it > certainly does not sound > like the old tube Grundigs of the 1960s, The > "Grundig Sound" sure comes > through! On headphones, the sound is wonderful. > Grundig made a good > compromise between fidelity and selectivity for a > short-wave radio. It's substantially wider than the ATS-909, so it does sound better. > The medium wave tuner is amazing. In the parking lot > test, it was a bit more > sensitive then the Sangean PRD3L (Gray Market > version of the CC Radio) and > blew away the ATS-909. When I got it home, I wanted > to see how the tuner > reacted to overload. The sensitivity is equal on the YB to the ATS-909, both of them but the AGC action on the YB is superior. > When My old Sangean ATS-818 was > hooked directly to my > Alpha Delta Sloper without padding it down, The > tuner would overload so all > I could hear was WLFJ 660 on the bottom of the dial, > WCSZ 1070 in the middle > of the band, and WGVL 1440 in the top of the band! > When I hooked the Grundig > to the same antenna, I was getting a signal on > almost every single channel > from 550 to 1600, and a talking house transmitter on > 1640 over 1 1/4 Miles > away! The Grundig also does not have the image > 900Khz below strong AM > stations like the Sangean had. I have never hooked either to the outside antenna, but they both work well with the TERK or RS tunable loops. > On short-wave, The Grundig will bring in stations on > the built in whip that > the DX-380 has buried in receiver noise. Even with > the Grundig reel antenna > hooked to the DX-380, the Grundig still blows it > away with just the whip > antenna. In a grounded steel building with the > antenna lowered, the Grundig > has no birdies. The YB could do the DRM mod IF the unit were quiter, but it's not quite quiet enough. > The FM is equally impressive. With my Channel Master > crossfire FM antenna, I > was listening to WJZX 99.7 196 Miles Southeast of my > location. It has about > the same RF performance as a McIntosh MR80 I > repaired for a friend of mine. How are you hooking it up to the FM antenna. The jack on the side says it's for SW only. The ATS -909 claims AM and SW but not FM on its jack also. > I am going to keep my YB-400PE. It was well worth > the $128.95 I paid for it > on sale. In fact, it is still a great deal at full > retail! It's not bad. I just wished they did memory recall from the keyboard, and the s-meter was a bit faster and was not 3 blocks of bars at a time. Line output for recording would be nice. I find it a pain to charge 6 batteries at once, as the charger only holds 4, so I have to charge 4 then 2. That radio doesn't get regular AA's except while charging batteries. And you can with practice, set the clock to the exact SECOND. Now whether you can do an AM stereo mod...... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Sun Aug 03 11:20:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9427 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 18:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 18:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 18:20:29 -0000 Message-ID: <000d01c359ec$36814020$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question on Part 15 power input limitiation? Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:22:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sounds like someone replaced the mercury vapor rectifiers with xenon ones. They were often used in equipment which would be exposed to cold temps as they wouldn't flash over like MV ones. NOS ones are still very much available. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > I wish I had kept my old Gonset G-76 ham radio transceiver. When > keyed up, some of its tubes would glow PURPLE. I've never seen > another radio do that, and didn't blow up or anything so I think > that's the way it was designed. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sun Aug 03 11:47:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6681 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 18:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 18:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.211) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 18:47:51 -0000 Received: from user-1118.bbd10tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.140.94] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19jNtW-0001KF-0K for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 19:47:50 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:46:49 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Congrats Phil MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Hi Kev, I'm slowly building up several racks of good gear for both AMS (I own a nice Nautel) and an FM in case I get involved with another station sometime in the future. I'm wondering if I can make use of my 9200 somewhere in the processor chain even though it's not stereo capable. It must be good for something! All I need now are some call letters:-) -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Aug 03 14:25:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59580 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 21:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 21:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 21:25:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2003 21:25:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 21:25:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SIMULATED AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1147 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.159.192.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > Has anyone on the forum ever experimented with a stereo simulator or > built a SYNTHESISED AM STEREO TUNER? I'll chime in and state that I am vehemently opposed to any and all kinds of simulated stereo based on two fundamental facts about them: (1) They don't do what they're supposed to (make something that sounds stereo) and (2) They deliberately induce a distortion of the original audio waveform. After 27+ years of collecting phonograph records and CDs, I have yet to hear a single case where the simulated stereo didn't sound significantly worse than the mono source it was taken from. Delays add a metallic echo effect, EQ-based methods add phase distortion and throw the overall EQ out of whack, reverb adds, well, reverb, and the old "guy twiddling the pan-pot" method is just plain annoying. BTW--you know why simulated stereo was invented in the first place? So record companies could charge an extra buck for old mono albums without going to the expense of recording them again. There are no shortcuts to stereo. If you're stuck with mono, at least keep it pure--that'll deliver the best possible sound. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Aug 03 14:41:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32209 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 21:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 21:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 21:41:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2003 21:41:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 21:41:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: LW Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 206 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.59.199 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan The proposed LW station here in the UK MsuicMan 279 told me months ago they plan to use AM Stereo that's if they ever get on air. Probably more likely that 'Radio London' on 1008khz will get there first From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 15:12:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40041 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 22:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 22:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 22:12:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2003 22:12:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:11:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 8.7 watts? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 475 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 1480 WEEO in Shippensburg, PA is licensed for 8.7 watts at night. Are there any other stations licensed with fractional power levels? It seems strange to be that precise. Why not just round it off to 9 watts? The FCC allows a +/- 5% tolerance of power levels anyway, so WEEO could legally transmit up to 9.135 watts at night -- not that it would improve their coverage by any realistic amount, though! http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WEEO&service=AM From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Aug 03 15:16:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49661 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 22:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 22:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 22:16:57 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.136]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:16:06 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01c35a0c$f4cd2ba0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8.7 watts? Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:16:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Heck, a Motorola 1400 CQUAM exciter puts out 5 watts un-aided! cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 6:11 PM Subject: {AMSF} 8.7 watts? > 1480 WEEO in Shippensburg, PA is licensed for 8.7 watts at night. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 15:32:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82435 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 22:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 22:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 22:32:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2003 22:32:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:32:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SIMULATED AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There are no shortcuts to stereo. If you're stuck with mono, at > least keep it pure--that'll deliver the best possible sound. I think "simulated stereo" is fine as long as it retains full mono compatibility. That is, when you sum the channels to mono, you get back the original, undegraded mono sound. My favorite method is a touch of stereo reverb -- but only in the L-R component, so if you don't like it you can always hit the Mono button and get back the original sound. Here is mono station 1170 WWTR, as received in "Simulated AM Stereo": ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/usa/nj/wwtr-st.mp3 I've also used this trick on a 1971 Elvis LP with good results. It's one of those thin, floppy "DynaFlex" LPs, and I've never seen an album be so proud to be mono -- in big letters on the jacket, front and back, it says "RCA Camden Mono", with no indication of a stereo version being available. I also have one LP which claims to be mono, and makes note of a separate stereo version that was available. But when played back, it's in full stereo. Perhaps at some point they discontinued the mono pressing, but had extra labels and jackets left over for it, so they just slapped that onto stereo pressings. I also have cassettes with unadvertised Dolby NR and chrome tape, and CDs with unadvertised HDCD (psuedo-24-bit, extended dynamic range) encoding. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 15:45:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41498 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 22:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 22:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 22:45:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2003 22:45:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:45:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 8.7 watts? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002f01c35a0c$f4cd2ba0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 324 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Heck, a Motorola 1400 CQUAM exciter puts out 5 watts un-aided! > cc A while back, somebody counted a total of 13 stations on the AM band licensed to transmit 1 watt at night. There are also a number of Class D stations which are 50,000 watts during the day, and less than 100 watts at night. Don't you love the FCC? From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Aug 03 16:56:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94040 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 23:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2003 23:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 23:56:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2003 23:56:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 23:56:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8.7 watts? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002f01c35a0c$f4cd2ba0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 460 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g I'll bet it won't put out a 5 Watt carrier with AM un-aided! John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Heck, a Motorola 1400 CQUAM exciter puts out 5 watts un-aided! > cc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin T. > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 6:11 PM > Subject: {AMSF} 8.7 watts? > > > > 1480 WEEO in Shippensburg, PA is licensed for 8.7 watts at night. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 18:11:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56752 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 01:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2003 01:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80503.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 01:11:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20030804011134.32762.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.46.161] by web80503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 18:11:34 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Congrats Phil To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Philip de Cadenet wrote: . > > I'm wondering if I can make use of my 9200 somewhere > in the processor > chain even though it's not stereo capable. It must > be good for > something! On the ham bands. Powell W4OPW ( AM Ham ) and sometimes WKDK ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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If you find this alarming, ClearChannelSucks.org is the place for you. ------------------------------------------------------------ From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Aug 03 21:34:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48407 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 04:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2003 04:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.109) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 04:34:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:34:53 -0700 Received: from 172.159.243.44 by bay7-dav5.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 04:34:53 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20030803154517.46567.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Sangean ATS-818 Has Been Replaced! Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 00:34:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2003 04:34:53.0974 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0283360:01C35A41] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.159.243.44] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > The sensitivity is equal on the YB to the ATS-909, both of them but the AGC action on the YB is superior. Perhaps I got a "hot" YB-400PE or you got a "hot" ATS-909, but in the side by side test, the Grundig clearly blew away both of the Sangeans I compared it to, as well my DX-380. > > The YB could do the DRM mod IF the unit were quieter, but it's not quite quiet enough. I wouldn't expect such a small low priced digital radio to be quiet enough to work with DRM. As long as the receiver noise does not cover up weak signals like my DX-380 does, I am a happy listener. > > How are you hooking it up to the FM antenna. The jack on the side says it's for SW only. I just used an alligator clip from the center of the Coax to the whip to see what it would do. One day I may go in the radio and hook the FM to the jack, but I almost never listen to FM, so why bother? > >The ATS -909 claims AM and SW but not FM on its jack also. The ATS-818 and the DX-380 both have the FM on the jack. > > It's not bad. I just wished they did memory recall from the keyboard, and the s-meter was a bit faster and was not 3 blocks of bars at a time. Line output for recording would be nice. A battery meter would be nice too, but if I have to choose between features or performance, I will choose performance. You must remember we are comparing a $129 Grundig to a $260 Sangean, and the Grundig has better performance! I would like to put the Grundig YB-400PE up against the comparably priced $139 Sangean ATS-505. I do know the YB400PE is light years ahead of the $175 ATS-818! The difference is astounding. > > I find it a pain to charge 6 batteries at once, as the charger only holds 4, so I have to charge 4 then 2. That radio doesn't get regular AA's except while charging batteries. And you can with practice, set the clock to the exact SECOND. Yes, I set the clock by clicking the reset button while listening to WWV on my old Realistic DX-200. > > Now whether you can do an AM stereo mod...... It shouldn't be hard to peel off the 455 kHz IF and put it on an output jack. You could then use a Chris Cuff board and be able to listen to LW, MW, and SW Stereo stations. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Aug 03 21:52:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85548 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 04:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2003 04:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 04:52:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:52:27 -0700 Received: from 172.159.243.44 by bay7-dav3.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 04:52:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: LW Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 00:52:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2003 04:52:27.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[3401E040:01C35A44] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.159.243.44] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Dave wrote: > The proposed LW station here in the UK MsuicMan 279 told me months ago they plan to use AM Stereo that's if they ever get on air. Will they have enough power to put a signal on the American side of the water? I do miss Atlantic 252. Kevin From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Aug 04 06:17:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65673 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 13:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2003 13:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.118) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 13:17:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 06:17:07 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav14.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:17:06 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Panasonic gone :( Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:17:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2003 13:17:07.0170 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4327C20:01C35A8A] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Called up radmar and it was sold in july. Called up this other website and they must be smoking dope or something. He wanted $1800.00(not a typo) for the unit. and yet another website wanted $800.00. Kevin if you ever go to sell that Panasonic let me know. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) FM Stereo 88.3 AM 1610 From mikew@lanl.gov Mon Aug 04 08:41:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikew@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52621 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 15:41:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2003 15:41:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay2.lanl.gov) (128.165.4.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 15:41:20 -0000 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h74FfJXK025906 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:41:19 -0600 Received: from lanl.gov (romulus.lanl.gov [128.165.209.40]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h74FfI6b026380 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:41:18 -0600 Message-ID: <3F2E7E9D.7080003@lanl.gov> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 09:41:17 -0600 Organization: Pojoaque Medium Wave DXers Club User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030701 X-Accept-Language: en-us, es, en, zh-cn, af, sq, ar, ar-dz, ar-bh, ar-eg, ar-iq, ar-jo, ar-kw, ar-lb, ar-ly, ar-ma, ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye, hy, ast, eu, be, bs, bg, ca, zh, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, hr, cs, da, nl, nl-be, en-au, en-bz, en-ca, en-ie, en-jm, en-nz, en-ph, en-za, en-tt, en-gb, en-zw, eo, et, fo, fi, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch, gl, ka, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, hu, is, id, in, ga, it, it-ch, ja, ko, ko-kp, ko-kr, lv, lt, mk-mk, ms, no, nb, nn, pl, pt, pt-br, ro, ru, gd, sr, sk, sl, sb, es-ar, es-bo, es-cl, es-co, es-cr, es-do, es-ec, es-sv, es-gt, es-hn, es-mx, es-ni, es-pa, es-py, es-pe, es-pr, es-es, es-uy, es-ve, sv, sv-fi, th, tr, uk, vi, cy, xh, yi, zu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8.7 watts? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 From: Mike Westfall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150284724 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6kuy Kevin T. wrote: > 1480 WEEO in Shippensburg, PA is licensed for 8.7 watts at night. > Are there any other stations licensed with fractional power levels? KVOI 690 Tucson is 3.2 watts at night... -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Aug 04 09:41:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61170 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 16:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2003 16:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 16:40:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (d235-osel-phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.248]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h74GewD48432 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:40:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:40:47 -0700 Subject: YB 400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1059987762.599.27453.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: <664C3D0E-C69A-11D7-9F4E-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Kevin, IMO The ATS 818, DX 380 and DX 390 are all exceptionally poor performers. I do have a DX 398 / ATS-909 and other than the AGC find the 398 superior to the YB-400 series. Quality on the Grundig radios is among the worst of all time presently. Perhaps you got an unusual radio but in side by side tests FOR DX PURPOSES, the YB-400 is not nearly as good as the 398. That said, the YB-400 series radios beat the living crap out of the DX 380 and DX390. Kevin On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 02:02 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 00:34:40 -0400 > From: "Possum Hunter" > Subject: Re: The Sangean ATS-818 Has Been Replaced! > > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >> The sensitivity is equal on the YB to the ATS-909, both of them but the > AGC action on the YB is superior. > > Perhaps I got a "hot" YB-400PE or you got a "hot" ATS-909, but in the > side > by side test, the Grundig clearly blew away both of the Sangeans I > compared > it to, as well my DX-380. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 10:07:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6123 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 17:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2003 17:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 17:07:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20030804170713.5984.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 10:07:13 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FCC Notice from NAB 99-325 ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Has anyone had any success is downloading the 113-page notice from the NAB regarding FCC # 99-325 ? I would really like to read what they have to say about digital broadcast radio. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Mon Aug 04 12:21:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43642 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 19:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2003 19:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 19:21:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2003 19:21:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 19:21:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kloss Tivoli Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030712161738.15566.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, The Philips chip appears to be (description-wise, anyway) a pretty good chip: double-balanced mixers for both AM and FM. In theory, it should be better than most portable radios and have superior IP3 specs in both AM and FM. Does the Kloss PAL take advantage of the double balanced mixers for the FM? Does the PAL RF circuit pretty much match the application circuit in the TEA5711 spec sheet? Finally, Chris, are there any AM stereo conversion details? Is the conversion straightforward? I assume that the AM IF signal is picked off at pin 10 on the chip. Does the output from the Chris Cuff adapter then go to the AM/FM switch? Is it a mechanical switch? Does it provide for both L & R audio when switched to AM? Best regards, Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > I can believe that. On my Model 1, the F.M. > section is great considering I'm using the > standard wire 75 ohm antenna. The A.M. section > on the other hand, not so good. The reception is > fair. I've had better transistor radios in terms > of reception (only the strongest stations come > in). The audio is muddy on the A.M. side. I > almost wish he had built an F.M.-only radio for > the Model 1. Overall, it's a good $100 F.M. > radio and a $2 A.M. radio. > > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ > > P.S.: Has Kloss HEARD A.M. Stereo? > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 13:43:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21648 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 20:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2003 20:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 20:43:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20030804204340.25755.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.249.89] by web41202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:43:40 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} YB 400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <664C3D0E-C69A-11D7-9F4E-00050291D22F@fastq.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus --- kevin wrote: > Kevin, > > IMO The ATS 818, DX 380 and DX 390 are all > exceptionally poor performers. My 818 is worse than a generic transistor radio on AM and also quite noisy and gets very little on SW but its FM is excellent. We dont have the sangean clones here nor Grundigs. Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Aug 04 14:41:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62854 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 21:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2003 21:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 21:41:54 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.232]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:41:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c35ad1$399a8b00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kloss Tivoli Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:41:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The PAL Tivoli is one of the most rewarding conversions yet. The front end pretty much follows the Philips design guide, which is good. Now, being a manual radio, they do not use the "fuzzy logic" that the other philips designs do. A good thing, as any slight differences cause drifting when you add a converter (using a digital front end) The PAL also has a totally shielded front end- tuner, osc. coils, everything is cased in tin, top and bottom. Fortuantely, the decoder adds in at the IF chip, so you don't need to go in there. The decoder output sits in parallel with the current output, and there is no interference. I still have to snap some pics, but with my dad taking all my time now, it will be a few days before I can. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: pabigelow To: Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 3:21 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kloss Tivoli > Hello, > > The Philips chip appears to be (description-wise, anyway) > a pretty good chip: double-balanced mixers for both AM and FM. > In theory, it should be better than most portable radios and > have superior IP3 specs in both AM and FM. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Aug 04 15:57:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28565 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 22:57:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2003 22:57:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 22:57:40 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.178.102]) by imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030804225740.ZIWC6813.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan>; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:57:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c35adb$ce45e290$af78fea9@juan> To: Cc: Subject: Radio Shack Optimus 12-603A Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:57:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I realize the "High Performance" Optimus is generally considered inferior to the SR III, but my radio STINKS. I bought it about 6- 8 months ago, and listened for a few minutes and gave it to our CE for monitoring WTTB. He recently gave it back and I have had a few days to play with it. The AM on this radio is terrible. There are many spots on the dial where nothing is heard. Sensitivity is just a little better than my 2010 with the RF Input transistor that needs replacing. Maybe I got a bad radio. Sensitivity is aweful, sound is ok.....on the few stations I can hear. Me thinks this is a bad one. I don't feel too bad, as I got it at the Rat Shack bargain table..........what a bargain. Anybody else own this radio ? Juan Fort Pierce, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 16:17:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30757 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 23:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2003 23:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 23:17:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2003 23:17:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:17:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Panasonic gone :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 564 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kevin if you ever go to sell that Panasonic let me know. There were actually several Panasonic AM Stereo generators on eBay around the time I got mine; there was a similar model that was C-Quam-only (as compared to my multi-system version), whose final bid was also around $100 + shipping. I keep an eye on AM Stereo-related items on eBay, and if I see anything of interest, I'll let you know. It's quite sporadic -- sometimes there's half a dozen Carver TX-11a receivers on there at the same time, and then weeks or months go by with none showing up. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 16:28:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25418 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 23:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2003 23:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 23:28:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2003 23:28:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:28:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 8.7 watts? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F2E7E9D.7080003@lanl.gov> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 603 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > KVOI 690 Tucson is 3.2 watts at night... I think I've found the winner: 1550 WXHL in Elkton, MD is 1 WATT at night -- DIRECTIONAL! Their local-quality coverage in the main beam of the signal extends for 2 miles at best, and in their nulls, you can probably see the tower lights for a greater distance than you can pick up their signal on the radio! http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WXHL&service=AM I wonder what they use to generate that 1 watt... a Ramsey kit? An LPB choked down with a stack of bleeder resistors? An old Raytheon or McMartian running on very gassy tubes? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 16:30:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48872 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 23:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2003 23:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 23:30:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2003 23:30:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:30:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FCC Notice from NAB 99-325 ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030804170713.5984.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 307 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Has anyone had any success is downloading the 113-page notice from > the NAB regarding FCC # 99-325 ? I would really like to read what > they have to say about digital broadcast radio. It's nothing related to AM IBOC... it's NAB giving their recommendation for the "dual-antenna" approach to FM IBOC. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 16:58:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46573 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 23:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2003 23:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 23:58:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2003 23:58:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:58:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 8.7 watts? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 785 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > KVOI 690 Tucson is 3.2 watts at night... > > I think I've found the winner: 1550 WXHL in Elkton, MD is 1 WATT at > night -- DIRECTIONAL! Their local-quality coverage in the main beam > of the signal extends for 2 miles at best, and in their nulls, you > can probably see the tower lights for a greater distance than you can > pick up their signal on the radio! > > http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WXHL&service=AM > > I wonder what they use to generate that 1 watt... a Ramsey kit? An > LPB choked down with a stack of bleeder resistors? An old Raytheon > or McMartian running on very gassy tubes? I was thinking of a Lil' 7 with an extra 1-watt amp tube. ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Aug 04 17:10:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53571 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 00:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 00:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.125) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 00:10:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:10:37 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav21.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:10:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 8.7 watts? Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:10:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2003 00:10:37.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF7F2880:01C35AE5] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know multiple part 15's with a better signal than that. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Aug 04 17:17:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49293 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 00:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 00:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 00:17:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:17:28 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav3.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:17:28 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Radio-Locator Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:17:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2003 00:17:28.0296 (UTC) FILETIME=[F43A8680:01C35AE6] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Is radio-locator going to a paid site? I notice they have band-width limits now and on their paid service it's something like $300.00/yr for limited service. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) FM Stereo 88.3, AM 1610 Community Radio From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 17:34:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87591 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 00:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 00:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 00:34:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2003 00:34:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:34:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: YB 400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030804204340.25755.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2015 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > My 818 is worse than a generic transistor radio on AM and also > quite noisy and gets very little on SW but its FM is excellent. I had the Radio Shack twin of the ATS-818 and it was also very poor on LW, MW, and SW. It had a very high level of background noise and in SSB mode you had to cut back on the RF Gain or else the aggressive AGC action would make the audio almost unlistenable. And even in "Wide" mode, its audio was extremely narrow and muffled, with a very sharp drop-off above 2.5 kHz. On AM, I had to frequently off-tune by 2 or 3 kHz (for example, tuning it to 1073 kHz instead of 1070) just to get intelligible speech quality -- and then of course its already- high distortion got even worse. At the time, my only other SW receiver was my Hallicrafters S-38C, and there was a world of difference between the two. The RS/Sangean of course had better selectivity with its dual-conversion design, as well as the bonus of digital tuning, but the old Hallicrafters is simply a much more enjoyable radio to use -- I'm always amazed at how sensitive and *quiet* it is. On paper, modern radios perform better, but the old Halli always seems to be able to pick up weaker signals much better because they're not covered up with background hiss. It's a lot less straining on the ears to distinguish weak signals from *silence* as it is to "pull them out of the mud", so to speak, with an AGC that is constantly amplifying the noise floor into an obnoxious hiss. Oh, and the Hallicrafters makes a very successful conversion to AM Stereo -- just with these old tube radios, you have to be mindful of how strong their IF output is! Never make a direct connection, as that will simply overload the AM Stereo decoder and may even damage it. Instead, simply wrap a few turns of *insulated* wire around the appropriate pin of the radio's IF transformer. That will indirectly pick up enough of the IF signal (typically 455 kHz) to allow the decoder to use it without overloading. From stodd@vippn.com Mon Aug 04 17:38:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97249 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 00:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 00:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 00:38:39 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c35aea$36d85460$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Congrats Phil Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:40:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Probably best used for sale to raise money for more AMS equipment! :) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" > I'm wondering if I can make use of my 9200 somewhere in the processor > chain even though it's not stereo capable. It must be good for > something! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 17:43:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50424 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 00:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 00:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 00:43:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2003 00:43:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:43:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Shack Optimus 12-603A Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c35adb$ce45e290$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1550 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Maybe I got a bad radio. Sensitivity is aweful, sound is ok.....on > the few stations I can hear. Me thinks this is a bad one. You probably did get a bad radio. I had that Optimus model for a while, and while it isn't as good as the SR-III, it was definitely better than average, and it did have a much more accurate tuning dial than my SR-III. Its "Wide" bandwidth setting is more useable, too -- it provides crisp, clear sound without totally killing off the selectivity, unlike the SR-III's "airplane-hangar-wide" mode. One criticism is that my Optimus was fairly insensitive above 1500 kHz, picking up almost nothing on the Expanded Band, unlike my SR-III which remains "hot" all the way across the day. Also, the Optimus doesn't have proper NRSC de-emphasis, so especially in Wide mode, the mid-range will sound rather tinny and over-boosted. The SR-III definitely has a better amp and speaker system too -- its Bass and Treble controls offer a very wide range of adjustment, and with its hefty 6-inch woofer it delivers surprisingly good bass response, even on AM. The Optimus comes close, but just doesn't have the same amount of "punch" to its audio, even with the Bass knob maxed out. The one downside is that neither of these two radios make a successful conversion to AM Stereo, due to the high phase noise of their varactor-tuning design. I did try converting my Optimus, but whenever it would pop into Stereo mode, there was an unacceptably high amount of hiss and hum in the audio, even on strong signals. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 17:58:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98627 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 00:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 00:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 00:58:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2003 00:58:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:58:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio-Locator Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1723 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is radio-locator going to a paid site? I notice they have > band-width limits now and on their paid service it's something like > $300.00/yr for limited service. For as long as I've been using it, Radio-Locator limits non-paid users to about 50 station views per session. After it locks you out, you can still view coverage maps, if you know the "back door" method: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/####_XX_YZ.gif "####" is the station's call sign, "XX" is AM or FM, "Y" is L for a Licensed station or C for a Contruction Permit, and "Z" is the hours of operation for the desired map: U for universal (day/night), D for daytime, or N for nighttime. For example, 1450 WCTC, with a Licensed Universal day/night signal: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WCTC_AM_LU.gif And now 1250 WMTR, with a Construction Permit for a new Nighttime signal pattern: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WMTR_AM_CN.gif And finally, on FM, everything is "Universal": http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WCNJ_FM_LU.gif Don't ask me why the town of Keansburg is in the ocean on this map! Also, as far as Radio-Locator is concerned, Canada and Mexico don't exist -- it will show their land area as "water". It will even pull up the signal patterns of Canadian stations, but you don't see any land: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/CHUM_AM_FD.gif Note that it substitutes "F" for "L"... maybe "Foreign"? p.s. I believe Radio-Locator tracks your usage by your IP address, because if you reach the limit, clearing out your browser's "cookies" or switching to a different web browser program won't reinstate access -- you can to disconnect from your ISP and then dial up again, which will give you a different IP number. From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 17:59:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78403 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 00:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 00:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80503.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 00:59:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20030805005934.24722.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.44.187] by web80503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:59:34 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Sangean ATS-818 Has Been Replaced! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > The sensitivity is equal on the YB to the ATS-909, > both of them but the > AGC action on the YB is superior. > > Perhaps I got a "hot" YB-400PE or you got a "hot" > ATS-909, but in the side > by side test, the Grundig clearly blew away both of > the Sangeans I compared > it to, as well my DX-380. I have 2 and a friend of mine has one, and they are all equal. > > A battery meter would be nice too, but if I have to > choose between features > or performance, I will choose performance. You must > remember we are > comparing a $129 Grundig to a $260 Sangean, and the > Grundig has better > performance! I would like to put the Grundig > YB-400PE up against the > comparably priced $139 Sangean ATS-505. I do know > the YB400PE is light years > ahead of the $175 ATS-818! The difference is > astounding. I have one of those too. At least the battery door on the YB doesn't fall off. It's done that on the DX-398 and the ATS 505 clone. > > I find it a pain to charge 6 batteries at once, as > the charger only holds > 4, so I have to charge 4 then 2. That radio doesn't > get regular AA's except > while charging batteries. And you can with practice, > set the clock to the > exact SECOND. I think the YB may have a BIT better battery life. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 19:59:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1614 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 02:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 02:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 02:58:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2003 02:58:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 02:58:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio-Locator Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 600 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > p.s. I believe Radio-Locator tracks your usage by your IP address, > because if you reach the limit, clearing out your browser's "cookies" > or switching to a different web browser program won't reinstate > access -- you can to disconnect from your ISP and then dial up again, > which will give you a different IP number. ever heard of anonymizer.com? any other good free ip hiding sites anyone knows of so I can get more access to radio-locator.com? (sites that require signups even if they are free are not wanted) From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Aug 04 20:55:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80591 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 03:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 03:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.95) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 03:55:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:55:01 -0700 Received: from 172.134.40.28 by bay7-dav38.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 03:55:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20030805005934.24722.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Sangean ATS-818 Has Been Replaced! Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:54:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2003 03:55:01.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[58CC8B70:01C35B05] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.134.40.28] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > I have 2 and a friend of mine has one, and they are all equal. This is not always the case. China is famous for producing poorly executed great designs. Many Chinese made radios come from the factory just a wee bit out of alignment. My ATS-818 and GE SuperRadio were this way. They were off just enough to reduce performance, but not enough for QC to boot them out of the line. If a radio is too far off, QC will send it to the service bench for hand alignment. This will produce a perfectly aligned receiver that will be a wee bit hotter than the average sample. Then there are the "Monday" radios such as your YB. Who is to say my dealer didn't bench align the radio before he sold it. I know of several shops that do that. I used to own one! > >I have one of those too. At least the battery door on the YB doesn't fall off. It's done that on the DX-398 and the ATS 505 clone. That is one of my big gripes when cabinet parts won't even fit together. I have a Channel Master 9 transistor radio from the 60s that the battery compartment is held shut by a screw with a head made to be unscrewed with a quarter. The battery door sure ain't going to fall off if it is screwed shut. > > I think the YB may have a BIT better battery life. That is good because the DX-380 and ATS-818 are both battery pigs. I am interested in how long the ole Enercell AAs will last. Kevin From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Aug 04 21:02:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53988 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 04:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 04:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 04:02:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2003 04:02:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 04:02:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: momophonic CBS AM Volumax info needed Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 205 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.38 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Sorry to bring up a question on a monophonic piece of gear, at least its AM, but does anyone know where I could find a copy of the schematic and service instructions for the CBS AM Volumax 4000? John From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Aug 04 21:03:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80972 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 04:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 04:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 04:03:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:03:03 -0700 Received: from 172.134.40.28 by bay7-dav51.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 04:03:03 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20030804204340.25755.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} YB 400 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:02:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2003 04:03:03.0478 (UTC) FILETIME=[77D36560:01C35B06] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.134.40.28] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Michael wrote > My 818 is worse than a generic transistor radio on AM and also quite noisy and gets very little on SW but its FM is excellent. I now think the death of the ATS-818 was more of a blessing than a curse. It was replaced by a much more refined radio. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Aug 04 21:08:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90647 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 04:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 04:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.125) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 04:08:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:08:56 -0700 Received: from 172.134.40.28 by bay7-dav21.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 04:08:56 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <664C3D0E-C69A-11D7-9F4E-00050291D22F@fastq.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} YB 400 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:08:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2003 04:08:56.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A2715C0:01C35B07] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.134.40.28] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 kevin wrote: > That said, the YB-400 series radios beat the living crap out of the DX 380 and DX390. Th DX-200 is a good DX radio. The power supply caps in ine are starting to get noisy. I may make that one of the weekend projects pretty soon. Not only does the DX-200 sound great, it looks realy cool and impresses folks who don't know about electronics. Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 06:06:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38322 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 13:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 13:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 13:06:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20030805130650.76759.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 06:06:50 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 06:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mono+Mono=Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio btaJohn wrote: "Sorry to bring up a question on a monophonic piece of gear..." Just remember, stereo is nothing more than 2 monos, so just get a second piece of gear the same, and use it for your discrete L & R audio! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 06:09:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42542 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 13:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 13:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 13:09:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20030805130912.7480.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 06:09:12 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 06:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT: Tube Tuner String To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Regarding an old Halicrafters (for possible AM stereo conversion), what can you do to keep the dial cord from slipping when you spin the dial? All that moves is the knob and not the tuning cap or tuning dial indicator? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 07:59:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16413 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 14:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 14:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12809.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 14:59:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20030805145905.78065.qmail@web12809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 07:59:05 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IBOC's new "mystery" codec To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20T.?=" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com... and, by the way, 1530 WSAI is continuing to broadcast IBOC at night -- last night I heard the annoying "hash" on 1520 and 1540 kHz. Ibiquity's Mystery Codec: What is It? Ibiquity has quietly begun inviting broadcast engineers to its Columbia, Md. headquarters to hear its new or upgraded codec. Two engineers who have heard the codec so far praised Ibiquity's efforts. The engineers heard the demo of various music and talk material on CDs sent through an Ibiquity reference exciter and receiver, plus one consumer receiver. One said, "It was not a simulation using a PC." In separate demonstrations on different days, the engineers said they heard FM at 96 kbps and 64 kbps, the latter being the bit rate the primary channel would need to be for stations that wish to split their programming and have a secondary audio channel, a concept that NPR, Harris and Kenwood plan to test soon. The engineers also heard AM at 36 kbps. Ibiquity has been focusing on improving the codec performance, especially on AM at low bit rates, since May, when the standards-setting body, the NRSC, said it did not believe Ibiquity's PAC codec delivered broadcast-quality audio on AM at low bit rates. As a result, the group suspended all standards-setting efforts, for both AM and FM. Geoff Mendenhall, vice president of advanced product development for Harris Broadcast, said the progress was "phenomenal to the point where we are satisfied and we think broadcasters will be too." NPR Senior Engineer Jan Andrews described the improvements as "startling." Previously, NPR was one of the more vocal critics of Ibiquity's AM audio performance. Andrews said of the demo, that he found the audio quality "very acceptable." In a memo to stations on a technical public radio list serve, Andrews stated: "Assuming Ibiquity is able to deliver the demonstrated level of performance in the real world (which seems possible given that we were listening through reference exciters and receivers and one consumer receiver), I believe there will be compelling audio quality incentives for stations to adopt HD Radio." More engineers are expected to make the trek to Maryland for a demo this week and next. Reportedly, there will be a further demo at NPR later this month. Ibiquity declined comment on the demos, and particularly on what codec is being used. The spokesman said the company continues to work on the issue and hopes to go public with details soon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 08:47:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64277 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 15:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 15:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 15:47:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2003 15:47:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:47:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Travelling with AM stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 611 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.212 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Some of you may have already heard about the US Government's plan to scrutinize all electronic devices at airports, including, but not limited to, cameras, CD players, radios, cell phones and laptop/handheld computers, and even some have already been cited for carrying BATTERIES on board. So, if you're taking along any AMS equipment-- Especially if it's hand-made or modified-- be prepared for possible damages, confiscation, or whathaveyou. This is NOT a pleasant way to travel! I'm getting to the point where I may refuse to go near an airport because of Ashcroft's shenanigans. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Tue Aug 05 09:09:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58690 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 16:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 16:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.172) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 16:09:41 -0000 Received: from user-3233.wfd17.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.76.161] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19k4NY-0004Ey-9S for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:09:40 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:08:30 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 8.7 watts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Kevin said: I wonder what they use to generate that 1 watt... a Ramsey kit? An LPB choked down with a stack of bleeder resistors? An old Raytheon or McMartian running on very gassy tubes? They should use one of my little AM's: http://www.transmittersrus.com/shop/rpg-20mw.htm I'm looking at having produced a 1U rack version, XLR balanced input with built-in C-Quam generator just for the hell of it. Also will include switchable low pass filters to comfortably cover the band (only one at present just below 160m) and a SMPS with universal AC in. With all that I'd still retail at under the cost of a base model LPB. They sound better too. When I was part of WLYC 1050 in Pa I threw out the LPB and brought over from the UK a Radica 50w AM TX for our 38w night power: http://www.transmittersrus.com/shop/radica50am.htm Cheap it is not but... with this beauty of a pulse width modulated signal and a flat audio response from DC to 20+KHz with very low THD into the 229ft tower we doubled our night-time coverage. As you know, it's all in the side-bands. Sounded like an FM, no, make that better than an FM. Night TX's are classed as secondary rigs by the fed's and do not require type approval! -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Tue Aug 05 09:16:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69755 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 16:16:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 16:16:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.172) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 16:16:23 -0000 Received: from user-3233.wfd17.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.76.161] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19k4U2-0003c2-2L for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:16:22 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:15:08 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Congrats Phil MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Probably best used for sale to raise money for more AMS equipment! :) Scott Todd That's right Scott. No, I'll keep watching for Kev's eBay links for AMS stuff. When I contact anyone I also ask what else broadcast related they have, alive or dead. It's surprising what's out there. Rgds -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Aug 05 09:41:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61527 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 16:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 16:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 16:41:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2003 16:41:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:41:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: LW Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 444 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.63.238 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Dave wrote: > > The proposed LW station here in the UK MsuicMan 279 told me months ago > they plan to use AM Stereo that's if they ever get on air. > > Will they have enough power to put a signal on the American side of the > water? I do miss Atlantic 252. > I see their site has been updated just about to have a read ! :- http://www.longwaveradio.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 09:59:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97777 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 16:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 16:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80503.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 16:59:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20030805165949.21626.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.123] by web80503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:59:49 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Sangean ATS-818 Has Been Replaced! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > I have 2 and a friend of mine has one, and they > are all equal. > This is not always the case. This is true. The Grundig 800 series was VERY bad about this. At least the ATS 909 is not made in China, but Taiwan. I China is famous for > producing poorly executed > great designs. Many Chinese made radios come from > the factory just a wee bit > out of alignment. My ATS-818 and GE SuperRadio were > this way. They were off > just enough to reduce performance, but not enough > for QC to boot them out of > the line. If a radio is too far off, QC will send it > to the service bench > for hand alignment. This will produce a perfectly > aligned receiver that will > be a wee bit hotter than the average sample. Then > there are the "Monday" > radios such as your YB. The chip for the product detector was bad, and it sat in the RS shop awaiting parts. They were allocated 1 chip a month. I should have had them replace it. Who is to say my dealer > didn't bench align the radio > before he sold it. I know of several shops that do > that. I used to own one! > >I have one of those too. At least the battery door > on the YB doesn't fall > off. It's done that on the DX-398 and the ATS 505 > clone. > That is one of my big gripes when cabinet parts > won't even fit together. I > have a Channel Master 9 transistor radio from the > 60s that the battery > compartment is held shut by a screw with a head made > to be unscrewed with a > quarter. The battery door sure ain't going to fall > off if it is screwed > shut. That's true. This is a design fault. GE had some very BAD battery door designs in the late 50's and early 60's and the battery doors were latched to the radio ( so you wouldn't loose the door) by a thick plastic ribbon... > > I think the YB may have a BIT better battery life. > > That is good because the DX-380 and ATS-818 are both > battery pigs. I am > interested in how long the ole Enercell AAs will > last. > Kevin Speaking of batteries, I went into WalMart and the Eveready AA' NiMh batteries are now 2100 ma!!!!!!!! The best they'd been were 1850. I have some green 2000's I'm using in the DX-398, but I may get some of these to test. Also Duracell is marketing NiMh batteries, but their batteries in AA form were only 1800 ma. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 10:01:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47760 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 17:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 17:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80505.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 17:01:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20030805170120.28768.qmail@web80505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.123] by web80505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:01:20 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: momophonic CBS AM Volumax info needed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > > Sorry to bring up a question on a monophonic piece > of gear, at least > its AM, but does anyone know where I could find a > copy of the > schematic and service instructions for the CBS AM > Volumax 4000? > > John I have two of the thinline units. Finding the boos on those MIGHT be a problem. I have them but I do not know where they might be. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 10:05:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12950 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 17:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 17:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80501.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 17:05:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20030805170457.12593.qmail@web80501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.123] by web80501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:04:57 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Tube Tuner String To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030805130912.7480.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW John, What model Hallicrafters is this? They made so many different models. The SX-62A I had had a very reluctant dial. It would slip and bind. So some greaseles lube on ALL moving metal parts including the tuning capacitor bearins cured that. It the dial cord is VERY loose it would be a good idea to restring. Some are easy. Some H models require a total removing of the front panel to replace the cord... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 10:09:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96806 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 17:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 17:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80513.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 17:09:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20030805170915.91097.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.123] by web80513.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:09:15 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8.7 watts To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Kevin said: > > I wonder what they use to generate that 1 watt... a > Ramsey kit? An > LPB choked down with a stack of bleeder resistors? > An old Raytheon > or McMartian running on very gassy tubes? > They should use one of my little AM's: > http://www.transmittersrus.com/shop/rpg-20mw.htm > I'm looking at having produced a 1U rack version, > XLR balanced input > with built-in C-Quam generator just for the hell of > it. Also will > include switchable low pass filters to comfortably > cover the band (only > one at present just below 160m) and a SMPS with > universal AC in. > With all that I'd still retail at under the cost of > a base model LPB. > They sound better too. That's still a choking price. > When I was part of WLYC 1050 in Pa I threw out the > LPB and brought over > from the UK a Radica 50w AM TX for our 38w night > power: AAAAAAAAAAAGH! Should have given it to me! > http://www.transmittersrus.com/shop/radica50am.htm > > Cheap it is not but... > with this beauty of a pulse width modulated signal > and a flat audio > response from DC to 20+KHz with very low THD into > the 229ft tower we > doubled our night-time coverage. > As you know, it's all in the side-bands. partly true > Sounded like an FM, no, make that better than an FM. > Night TX's are classed as secondary rigs by the > fed's and do not require > type approval! That part is not true. Transmitters under 250 watts do not require tyepe acceptance. I don't know if the rule is 250 watts and under, however. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From alfredot@inetarena.com Tue Aug 05 10:37:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99952 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 17:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 17:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 17:36:58 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust79.tnt16.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [67.227.163.79]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75HVCUr014429 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:35:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Out of phase audio In-Reply-To: <1060074348.1635.62944.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Does anyone know of a Linux utility that will allow me to flip the phase of just one of the two channels in a stereo .wav file? I am making CDs of some pre-recorded reel-to-reel tapes, and it seems that occasionally, the duplicating houses got the phase wrong on one of the four tracks (so that side A is OK but side B is out of phase). Alfredo From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 10:57:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3902 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 17:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 17:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12807.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 17:57:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20030805175716.15463.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:57:16 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT: Out of phase audio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20T.?=" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does anyone know of a Linux utility that will allow me to flip the > phase of just one of the two channels in a stereo .wav file? I am making > CDs of some pre-recorded reel-to-reel tapes, and it seems that > occasionally, the duplicating houses got the phase wrong on one of the > four tracks (so that side A is OK but side B is out of phase). I know "Cool Edit" can do exactly what you describe, but I don't think a Linux version is available. But if you're doing the actual transfers from tape, why not just wire up an out-of-phase audio patch cord? I.e., tip to shield, shield to tip. That would do the trick with no further editing required. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Aug 05 15:01:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21134 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 22:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 22:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 22:01:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2003 22:01:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:01:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Out of phase audio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030805175716.15463.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 567 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.193 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > But if you're doing the actual transfers from tape, why not just > wire up an out-of-phase audio patch cord? I.e., tip to shield, > shield to tip. That would do the trick with no further editing > required. I don't think that would work too well if it is a consumer type tape player, with unbalanced "RCA" outs, if it is pro equipment with balanced outputs then you should be able to do something along the lines you suggest. Most 4 track tape equipment is not pro though. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 15:52:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60476 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 22:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 22:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 22:52:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2003 22:52:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:52:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Out of phase audio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1097 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I don't think that would work too well if it is a consumer type > tape player, with unbalanced "RCA" outs, if it is pro equipment > with balanced outputs then you should be able to do something along > the lines you suggest. Most 4 track tape equipment is not pro > though. It depends if the two channels share a common ground or not. If they do, then swapping the polarity of one of the channels may not work. But, I suppose you could employ a 1:1 audio transformer, or two equally rated transformers back-to-back, to electrically separate one channel, and then a simple cross-wired patch cord should work. I thought of that original suggestion because just last night I was trying to record the audio of two separate radios into the Left and Right channels of a tape deck. One radio's output was out-of-phase with respect to the other, so I used a cross-wired patch cord to correct the problem. It worked, even with consumer-grade unbalanced connections, because the two radios were completely separate from each other and thus the two channels did not share a common ground. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 16:02:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1765 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 23:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 23:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 23:02:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2003 23:02:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:02:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 540 WLIE in AM Stereo!! (sort of) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1536 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Fledgling Long Island talk station 540 WLIE in Islip, NY (named after the Long Island Expressway) apparently still has their AM Stereo exciter in the processing chain, because just today I noticed that they are broadcasting audio in the Left channel only -- but with the pilot tone disabled, so unless you use a Sony-type "forced stereo" receiver, they just appear as a regular mono signal. At first I thought they might be broadcasting in Kahn Power-Side, which would not be unexpected with their frequently-criticized lack of signal coverage, but I double-checked and I was definitely listening in C-Quam mode. So, WLIE's AM Stereo exciter -- which dates back to their days as music station WLUX in full AM Stereo -- is definitely still in service, and now for some reason has the right audio channel silenced, and the pilot tone turned off. I'm pretty sure just last week WLIE was broadcasting a normal "mono" signal, with both channels active and no separation between them, so this must have been a recent change, perhaps the result of an engineer fiddling around with the C-Quam exciter and forgetting to switch it out of left-channel-only mode. You can take this one of two ways -- either just as an honest mistake, or as a faint glimmer of hope that the reason they were fiddling around with the AM Stereo exciter in the first place might be because they plan to put it back into full service, broadcasting a proper AM Stereo signal. I'll keep an ear on them and see if anything happens in this regard. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Aug 05 16:13:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39189 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 23:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 23:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 23:13:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:13:23 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav3.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:13:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: THIS IS SCARY Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:13:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2003 23:13:23.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AAD4390:01C35BA7] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd This is scary. I'll let you read this and come to your own conclusions. pass it around. http://www.gnutella.com/news/7347 Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) FM Stereo 88.3, AM 1610 Community Radio From bjackson@indyradio.com Tue Aug 05 16:19:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79794 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 23:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 23:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 23:19:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2003 23:19:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:19:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 8.7 watts? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1007 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > KVOI 690 Tucson is 3.2 watts at night... > > > > I think I've found the winner: 1550 WXHL in Elkton, MD is 1 WATT at > > night -- DIRECTIONAL! Their local-quality coverage in the main > beam > > of the signal extends for 2 miles at best, and in their nulls, you > > can probably see the tower lights for a greater distance than you > can > > pick up their signal on the radio! > > > > http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WXHL&service=AM > > > > I wonder what they use to generate that 1 watt... a Ramsey kit? An > > LPB choked down with a stack of bleeder resistors? An old Raytheon > > or McMartian running on very gassy tubes? > And don't forget about WGAP (the big talker) in southern Indiana...670 watts day, and 1 watt night. http://www.radio- locator.com/cgi- bin/finder?call=wgab&is_unl=Y&is_lic=Y&is_cp=Y&sr=Y&s=C&x=9&y=7 - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - WGLD/WGRL/WFMS From bjackson@indyradio.com Tue Aug 05 16:26:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26169 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 23:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2003 23:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 23:26:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2003 23:26:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:26:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Panasonic gone :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I keep an eye on AM Stereo-related items on eBay, and if I see > anything of interest, I'll let you know. It's quite sporadic -- > sometimes there's half a dozen Carver TX-11a receivers on there at > the same time, and then weeks or months go by with none showing up. I did see this...The Sony WM-F16 at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3038455842&category =296&rd=1 not too bad considering it started at 4.99! From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Aug 05 22:30:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84569 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 05:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 05:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 05:30:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2003 05:30:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 05:30:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Out of phase audio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030805175716.15463.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1173 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.52 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Does anyone know of a Linux utility that will allow me to flip the > > phase of just one of the two channels in a stereo .wav file? I am making > > CDs of some pre-recorded reel-to-reel tapes, and it seems that > > occasionally, the duplicating houses got the phase wrong on one of the > > four tracks (so that side A is OK but side B is out of phase). > The command line program 'sox' has many functions some having to do with phase. You might be able to separate the stereo track into 2 separate tracks. Flip the phase of one of them and then combine back into a stereo track. > I know "Cool Edit" can do exactly what you describe, but I don't think a > Linux version is available. > > But if you're doing the actual transfers from tape, why not just wire up an > out-of-phase audio patch cord? I.e., tip to shield, shield to tip. That > would do the trick with no further editing required. > You may run into ground problems as in non floating if the ground is connected the the hot and vice-versa. Using a 600-900ohm 1:1 isolation transformer from RatShack would solve this. JSG From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Wed Aug 06 03:49:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1735 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 10:49:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 10:49:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.172) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 10:49:06 -0000 Received: from user-3233.wfd17.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.76.161] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19kLqr-0000tu-6u for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 11:49:05 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:48:12 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 8.7w MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Powell said: That part is not true. Transmitters under 250 watts do not require type acceptance. I don't know if the rule is 250 watts and under, however. I think were got our wires crossed. I stated that I was informed that our 50w imported TX did not require FCC Type acceptance. It was my good friend William Culpepper PE (W4BZ) who confirmed this for us. So you can argue the point with him if you wish:-) Anyhow, the Radica would breeze past any approvals testing should the need arise. However I'm not going to pay the required fees.! -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From dav259@csiro.au Wed Aug 06 04:10:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32264 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 11:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 11:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 11:10:48 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h76BAlY09946; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:10:47 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:10:47 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: Subject: OT - Cinderella Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 This is very much off-topic. Most AMSF posts are now irrelevant to me. I'm not technical - so can't understand many of them. And AMS seems to be dieing a nice quiet slow death here in Oz. I still have hope that the Symphony receivers will be AMS compliant - but there seems to be no news of a possitive result. It makes me think to myself - is there more we could have done? Nevermind ... I'll fight till the cows come home. So - maybe I'll leave you all with these thoughts ... ____ Does anyone remember Rogers and Hammerstein's "Cinderella"? I am an R+H addict. They did it in 1957 on CBS as a live TV special. I've read it was the biggest audience R+H ever got. It starred Julie Andrews - who was the hit on Broadway at the time with MFL - but this TV performance made her bigger - and she went on to do the 20th Century-Fox movie version of The Sound of Music - after Richard Rogers saw the pre-tapes of her in WD's Mary Poppins. What a star! Anyway - when Dave in GA upgraded his Hot Hits streaming recently I downloaded Windows Media Player 9. And when you looked around ... there it all was. All three versions - that you can hear tracks from - and buy. Isn't capitalism wonderful. I first heard of R+H's Cinderalla in 1964 when we in Melbourne were about to get out third commercial TV station. Whilst we watched the test pattern for so many weeks they played the 1957 CBS record of Cinderella - because the 1964 remake was going to be one of its first "specials". And indeed it was. Besides loving the 1964 special I was so happy to find the original cast recording which I'd become to love even though it was never shown here. I bought it ... and have been playing it ever since. Then in 1997 ABC made it again - with all the Dysney touches. With Whoopi Goldberg etc ... nice and with a couple of old Rogers & Hart songs thrown in. All three versions seem to be available as AcuBroadway.com. I still love the 1957 authentic version (the way Hammerstein would have wanted it) but they are all great. And Cinderella is a great story. How many of you have ever heard of Rogers and Hammerstein's version of Cinderella? Yes - you've heard The King and I, The Sound of Music, and South Pacific - but what of Cinderella? I bet Chris Cuff and Johnny Electron have. Goodbye Ian Melbourne From oscar@globility.com Wed Aug 06 05:57:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5668 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 12:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 12:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 12:57:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2003 12:57:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:56:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM stereo in the UK Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 433 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.226 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I mentioned the advent of AM-stereo in the UK to one of our customers in Ireland. He came back with this rather current media reference. I think though you'll find the last paragraph to be roughly the same kind of speculative hype about AM stereo as the U.S. was given about IBOC. Take a look at this (in case it gets truncated, the link ends with "206") http://db0sif.ernaehrung.uni-giessen.de/cgi-bin/dpcmd?R%20RUNDFUNK%206 From oscar@globility.com Wed Aug 06 08:59:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19748 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 15:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 15:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.138) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 15:59:44 -0000 Received: from MTS-HAL-II (ppp-RAS3-3-226.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.246.226]) by smtp1.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74381587D for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200308061159460343.00C57A61@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 11:59:46 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo in the UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy A similar article may have appeared a month or so ago from the AMSF-UK mode= rator, but I don't recall the reference to the conversion process or the EB= ay angle. MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 06/08/2003 at 12:56 PM Mr.M S wrote: >I mentioned the advent of AM-stereo in the UK to one of our customers=20 >in Ireland. He came back with this rather current media reference. I=20 >think though you'll find the last paragraph to be roughly the same=20 >kind of speculative hype about AM stereo as the U.S. was given about=20 >IBOC. Take a look at this (in case it gets truncated, the link ends=20 >with "206")=20 > >http://db0sif.ernaehrung.uni-giessen.de/cgi-bin/dpcmd?R%20RUNDFUNK%206 > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 08:59:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94705 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 15:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 15:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12801.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 15:59:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20030806155944.6837.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:59:44 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: iBiquity: new IBOC codec; more employees laid off To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com.... notice that nobody said that AM IBOC is "near-FM-quality", as iBiquity has always claimed; they just say it's better than before. And as for FM IBOC being "truly CD-like", that's another meaningless descriptor; as I think we all know, there are *plenty* of horrible-sounding CDs out there, especially with today's pop music. Also, scroll down for news about iBiquity/Lucent giving more of their employees the axe.... Ibiquity's Mystery Codec Praised Several NRSC heavy-hitters have been to Ibiquity's Columbia, Md. headquarters for a demo of its new or improved codec. The set-up provided direct comparison of source material to analog transmission received on a Kenwood auto radio, along with digital transmissions. The digital transmissions were at 98kbps and 64kbps for FM (simultaneous to an Ibiquity reference receiver) and at 98kbps through the air to a Kenwood digital auto radio, said Journal Broadcast Group's Andy Laird. For AM, the digital transmission was switched on the reference receiver from enhanced (35kbps) to core (20kbps) with the Kenwood operating through the air in the enhanced mode. In the Ibiquity AM system, the receiver initially locks onto the signal at "core," which is mono at 20 kbps, and then builds on core to "enhanced," which is stereo at 36kbps with improved frequency response, said sources. All sources said the Texas Instruments DSP chip has enough headroom to handle the software upgrades needed for the new or improved codec, which Ibiquity has yet to publicly identify. Laird said, "All of my complaints are addressed. The FM system at 98kbps is truly CD-like with all types of programming and the 64kbps is very close." For AM, the codec artifacts were "greatly diminished." He said the improved 20 kbps core is much better than the previous codec at 35 kbps. "The AM system is now a real pleasure to listen too even with very complex, high quality source material. It has great clarity," said Laird. Also of note to broadcasters, he said, "We tested several real world broadcast situations involving ISDN remotes and other bit rate source material. The new Ibiquity codec passes this with very little additional degradation." Clear Channel's Jeff Littlejohn also called the demo "a vast improvement over what we heard previously. The codec had very few artifacts even at 20kbps." Greater Media's Milford Smith, also NRSC DAB Subcommittee Chairman, said, "In my opinion, it's fixed. On AM, the improvements were spectacular. And FM was significant." Other sources said the previous codec, PAC, contained artifacts on AM at low bit rates that were distracting and obvious; so much so that listener fatigue came into play. Standards 'Pause' Nearing End? When asked if the NRSC would re-start its standards-setting process for IBOC, paused due to the codec issue, Smith said the process could re-start "at any time," although given the recent events, the mechanics would still need to be decided. Ibiquity would need to re-do audio quality tests with the new codec so the NRSC can be assured the codec as finally implemented, "is at least as good as the one that was originally used," he said, meaning AAC. The standards-setting pause, begun in May due to the AM codec issue, also affected subgroups working on different standards-setting aspects of the IBOC technology, such as the group working on the interface between the transmitted signals, the receiver, and ancillary data services so future services (such as on-demand traffic or weather reports) function correctly. Ibiquity Cuts More Employees As we reported earlier, sources told RW Online they expected more employees to leave Ibiquity after three top managers exited recently. As of last Friday, sources say, a total of 32 employees have left the technology developer, leaving a total of roughly 80 employees. The cuts were said to be spread evenly between Ibiquity's Columbia, Md. and Warren, N.J. headquarters, including many of the PAC team members, such as Deepen Sinha, director of audio development (and said to be PAC team leader)and O'Connell (Ben) Benjamin, who, as senior vice president and co-chief operating officer, headed up the Warren office, which was formerly Lucent Digital Radio's headquarters. Also said to be not with the company anymore is Thom Linden, vice president, data development and architecture. Sources estimated the cost trimming allows Ibiquity to make its cash take the company through the end of the year, and predicted the company would continue to try to raise more funds through its investors and also seek new sources of capital. Ibiquity declined comment on the personnel changes. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 10:00:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25253 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 17:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 17:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 17:00:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2003 17:00:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:00:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: iBiquity: new IBOC codec; more employees laid off Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030806155944.6837.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1070 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.212 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > In the Ibiquity AM system, the receiver initially locks onto the signal at > "core," which is mono at 20 kbps, and then builds on core to "enhanced," > which is stereo at 36kbps with improved frequency response, said sources. *RED ALERT!* *RED ALERT!* *RED ALERT!* I smell a BIG-TIME fudging going on, here! In fact, it's VERY reminiscent of the late-1950s "steered" stereo broadcast scemes that were proposed for AM and FM, where the main audio is mono, but an auxillary signal "steers" the mono audio to sound like true stereo. Or in lieu of that, it's being processed not in discrete L/R channels, but a matrix output, with a very reduced L-R meant to give a "reasonable" stereo output. And considering how long it usually takes to develop a codec (many months to years, normally), I'm betting that this quickie "codec" is a repackaged PAC codec with either of the above methods in place. Either way, iBiquity/Lucent is once again screwing everybody over. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 11:18:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99280 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 18:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 18:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 18:18:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2003 18:18:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 18:18:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: iBiquity: new IBOC codec; more employees laid off Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1122 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I smell a BIG-TIME fudging going on, here! Actually, that's the way iBiquity's AM IBOC system has worked since it was first designed -- the "core" 20 kbps mono audio, and the additional "enhanced" 16 kbps data, which adds "stereo" and the "spectrally replicated" (i.e. simulated) treble response for a total of 36 kbps throughput. At that low of a bit-rate, "Joint Stereo" is a must -- so, no matter how they futz around with it, stereo imaging and integrity of the left-to-right platform *will* be degraded. This is most noticeable when you listen to the L-R component by itself. With AM Stereo, you might hear some "fluttering" because of the 25 Hz pilot tone, but otherwise its full quality is preserved. With IBOC, DRM, XM/Sirius, or any other "lossy" compression system, it is not. Even Eureka-147 DAB makes frequent use of Joint Stereo encoding. I think additional testing of the "core" mode by itself needs to be done, because in many cases with less-than-perfect signal strength or more than a minimal amount of adjacent-channel interference, that's what IBOC listeners will be hearing. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 11:18:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7885 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 18:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 18:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80504.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 18:18:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20030806181842.86235.qmail@web80504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.20.153.117] by web80504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 11:18:42 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8.7w To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Powell said: > > That part is not true. Transmitters under 250 watts > do > not require type acceptance. I don't know if the > rule > is 250 watts and under, however. > > I think were got our wires crossed. > > I stated that I was informed that our 50w imported > TX did not require > FCC Type acceptance. That is true. But you said night time. Drop that word for under 250 watts and it's totally correct. > It was my good friend William Culpepper PE (W4BZ) > who confirmed this for > us. So you can argue the point with him if you > wish:-) There's really no point to argue. > Anyhow, the Radica would breeze past any approvals > testing should the > need arise. However I'm not going to pay the > required fees.! If I were rich I'd get one to test..... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Aug 06 11:49:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54666 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 18:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 18:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 18:49:54 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-88.skyweb.net [66.6.130.216]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h76IuvhG016867 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:57:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3F314CE4.226883C8@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:45:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8.7w References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Actually I believe that you are partly correct.. Broadcast band transmitters under 250 watts may Not have to be FCC Type Accepted. however from 1 watt to 300watts they must be FCC TYPE CERTIFIED. strange way of wording things.... The LPFM transmitter that I am going to use for the new station is a 300 watt transmitter that is TYPE Certified. and is FCC approved for LPFM so gotry and figure that one out. Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Powell said: > > That part is not true. Transmitters under 250 watts do > not require type acceptance. I don't know if the rule > is 250 watts and under, however. > > I think were got our wires crossed. > > I stated that I was informed that our 50w imported TX did not require > FCC Type acceptance. > > It was my good friend William Culpepper PE (W4BZ) who confirmed this for > us. So you can argue the point with him if you wish:-) > > Anyhow, the Radica would breeze past any approvals testing should the > need arise. However I'm not going to pay the required fees.! > > -- > Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW > Transmitters 'R' Us > http://www.transmittersrus.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Aug 06 13:55:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97977 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 20:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 20:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 20:55:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2003 20:55:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:55:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: iBiquity: new IBOC codec; more employees laid off Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 839 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.195 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Actually, that's the way iBiquity's AM IBOC system has worked since > it was first designed -- the "core" 20 kbps mono audio, and the > additional "enhanced" 16 kbps data, which adds "stereo" and the > "spectrally replicated" (i.e. simulated) treble response for a total > of 36 kbps throughput. If "spectrally replicated" means what you often seem to imply it means (i.e. simulated) why would additional bits or data be needed to provide it? If it is really just "replicated", or "simulated" treble response, I wouldn't think any extra bits would be neede to provide it and I would think it would be active all the time. It sounds like the additional treble response may be a little more sophisticated than you give it credit for being. John From alfredot@inetarena.com Wed Aug 06 14:33:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76508 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 21:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 21:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (216.9.26.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 21:33:28 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust142.tnt8.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [67.227.229.142]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h76LReUr010950 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:32:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Out of phase audio In-Reply-To: <1060160952.1704.22481.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > The command line program 'sox' has many functions some having to > do with phase. You might be able to separate the stereo track > into 2 separate tracks. Flip the phase of one of them and then > combine back into a stereo track. [...] > > But if you're doing the actual transfers from tape, why not just > wire up an > > out-of-phase audio patch cord? I.e., tip to shield, shield to tip. > That > > would do the trick with no further editing required. The first thing that I did was to go through the sox documentation to see if this was possible. Sox can flip phase (by setting the volume to -1), but when that's done, both channels get phase inverted. What I'm going to try is to split the stereo wav files into left and right wav files, do a sox phase invert on one of them, and then combine them together in a multitrack editor (I couldn't get the soxmix combine function to properly route the two samples to their respective channels. This is a lot of work for what should be a relatively straightforward operation!?!! As one of the previous replies suggested, my reel-to-reel deck only has RCA inputs/outputs, and the grounds of all the jacks are tied together (I verified this with a DMM). Alfredo From rwagoner1@mac.com Wed Aug 06 15:21:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96909 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 22:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 22:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 22:21:39 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030806222138.WTQ7551.fed1mtao02.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:21:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:21:39 -0700 Subject: The Radio Manual Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5952A60E-C85C-11D7-BE06-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I have a copy of The Radio Manual by George E. Sterling, =A9 1940,=20 Lancaster Press, Third Edition (14th Printing). "For radio engineers,=20 inspectors, students, operators and radio fans." Anyone want it? You can have it for the cost of shipping. Let me know. Richard Wagoner From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 16:02:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61511 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 23:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 23:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 23:02:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2003 23:02:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:02:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: iBiquity: new IBOC codec; more employees laid off Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2122 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If "spectrally replicated" means what you often seem to imply it > means (i.e. simulated) why would additional bits or data be needed > to provide it? The extra bits are used to give it "hints" as how to reconstruct the high frequencies. Basically, there are three types of high treble content that could be specifically reconstructed, based upon a set of given parameters: white noise (percussion, vocal sibilants, etc.), harmonics of lower frequencies (brass, strings, etc.), and isolated tones (triangle, chimes, synthesizer tones, etc.). Without these "hints", it would have to rely upon crude digital aliasing, which is the harsh, gritty "digital" type of sound which often results from improper sample rate conversion -- take a listen to the GM "OnStar" radio commercials where they replay recordings of actual assistance calls. Notice how rough and "artificial" it sounds? That's because of digital aliasing. I'd compare IBOC's spectally replicated treble -- as also used by MP3Pro and XM and Sirius satellite radio -- to that of colorized video. Certainly, the results can often be surprisingly good... but yet it is always somewhat "artificial", and is never a 100% accurate representation of the original -- but having "hints" certainly helps a lot. For example, if he didn't know otherwise, a film colorist might color Lucille Ball's hair blonde instead of red, or Elvis's Cadillac turquoise instead of pink, because the B&W video source doesn't distinguish between these shades. Similarly, without a sufficient amount of "hints", spectrally replicated treble might create treble effects that aren't there in the original audio -- just listen to WOR's IBOC samples of the Beatles and Frank Sinatra for a good example of how the limitations of spectral replication manifest themselves. The folks at WOR are very quick to say that these samples were recorded with an outdated version of the IBOC system and thus are no longer valid -- but if iBiquity is still using their PAC codec, then the same kind of artifacts will be heard -- only they'll hopefully be less prevalent. From stodd@vippn.com Wed Aug 06 18:20:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18322 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 01:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 01:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 01:20:06 -0000 Message-ID: <00a601c35c82$5637b0a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: momophonic CBS AM Volumax info needed Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:06:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If Possum Hunter can't find his book, maybe I can find mine. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "bta_50g" but does anyone know where I could find a copy of the > schematic and service instructions for the CBS AM Volumax 4000? From stodd@vippn.com Wed Aug 06 18:20:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56439 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 01:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 01:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 01:20:08 -0000 Message-ID: <00a701c35c82$572bd4a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030805145905.78065.qmail@web12809.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC's new "mystery" codec Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:09:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Seems to me we did a thread on this before, but is there a short list of songs that are good for torturing digital CODECs so we can really know how they will perform? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Ibiquity's Mystery Codec: What is It? > From stodd@vippn.com Wed Aug 06 18:20:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21543 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 01:20:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 01:20:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 01:20:11 -0000 Message-ID: <00a801c35c82$582799c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Travelling with AM stereo Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:13:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude And if we had another 9/11 you'd be harping about how he didn't do enough. Secondly, you'd be surprised at how much of this sort of crap is implemented by unelected bureaucrats, totally beyond what the original intent was. I agree that confiscating batteries is just plain paranoid, but we live in a more dangerous world than we used to, and making nice to the bad guys won't turn them into good guys. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > I'm getting to the point where I may refuse to go near an airport > because of Ashcroft's shenanigans. From stodd@vippn.com Wed Aug 06 18:20:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50354 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 01:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 01:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 01:20:13 -0000 Message-ID: <00a901c35c82$594c91c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <5952A60E-C85C-11D7-BE06-0005021D3C76@mac.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Radio Manual Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:21:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm looking for the Fourth Edition by Sterling and Morgan. A friend recommended it to me because of their superb explanation of calculus. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:21 PM Subject: {AMSF} The Radio Manual > I have a copy of The Radio Manual by George E. Sterling, © 1940, > Lancaster Press, Third Edition (14th Printing). "For radio engineers, > inspectors, students, operators and radio fans." > > Anyone want it? You can have it for the cost of shipping. > > Let me know. > > Richard Wagoner > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 18:22:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25174 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 01:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 01:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80509.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 01:22:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20030807012221.69568.qmail@web80509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.79] by web80509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 18:22:21 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: momophonic CBS AM Volumax info needed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00a601c35c82$5637b0a0$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > If Possum Hunter can't find his book, maybe I can > find mine. > > Scott Todd > And I think I have them also. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Wed Aug 06 18:29:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96355 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 01:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 01:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 01:29:02 -0000 Message-ID: <00b701c35c83$98ec4cc0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030807012221.69568.qmail@web80509.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: momophonic CBS AM Volumax info needed Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:31:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Also, there's a guy who's scanning all sorts of equipment manuals, but I can't remember the url at the moment. His name is Harold Hallikainen, and he posts occasionally on bnet's RadioTech forum. He's still going through a box I sent him quite awhile ago. Don't know if he's got that one on his site, though. ST From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 19:41:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72622 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 02:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 02:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 02:41:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2003 02:41:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 02:41:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: what's the site that keeps track of "offenders of the faith"? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 863 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Pardon my temporary mental block, but which site keeps track of offenders, i.e. stations that used to be stereo but aren't, or are supposed to be stereo but aren't? I remember seeing 1630 XEUT Tijuana, BCN, on that list of exp band offenders. I've listened to the station some the last few days and have heard some good separation on the mexican Jazz that they're playing. Unfortunately I don't have a recording of it, but I HAVE heard stereo on that station, using my SRF-42. Stations that are still missing it, whose formats could use it are: 540 XESURF, 600 KOGO (during Padres games), 800 ESPN (XEMMM, during Angels games), 860 XEMO, 910 KECR, 1000 KCEO (nighttime nostalgia format), 1040 KURS (advertises it but I hear no separation), 1130 KSDO - needs to be fixed - I hear distorted "separation?", 1320 KKSM (weak signal though), 1360 KPOP, 1450 KFSD From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 20:01:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2725 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 03:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 03:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 03:01:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2003 03:01:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 03:01:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC's new "mystery" codec Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a701c35c82$572bd4a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3637 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Seems to me we did a thread on this before, but is there a short > list of songs that are good for torturing digital CODECs so we can > really know how they will perform? Just play anything from a tape deck with a misaligned head azimuth and try to encode it. The misaligned head will cause a high- frequency phase difference between the two channels that is not normally noticeable, but places a lot of demand upon the accuracy of the L-R (stereo difference) component, since that's where most of the treble will be, instead of in the L+R (mono sum) component. The best way to describe the most common result of when this type of audio is encoded is an "underwater" type of sound. All sorts of "swishing", "gurgling", and "chattering" effects may be created as the encoder tries and fails to properly encode the unusual phase relationship between the left and right channels. I've heard this from MP3, RealAudio, and many other formats. Sometimes this situation comes to you free and unwanted in the form of a CD re-release based upon old analog source tapes that might have been put through a misaligned machine when they were played back or duplicated -- completely out of your control, and with no effective way of fixing the problem. Again, the difference to the ear is almost unnoticeable, until you hit the "Mono" button and notice that all the high treble suddenly disappears or has a strange phasing effect to it. Better formats like MusePack (.MPC) will dynamically increase the bit-rate (VBR) or disable Joint Stereo encoding when they encounter this type of "challenging" audio. Unfortunately, it appears that IBOC's system cannot perform either of these two remedies -- it is a fixed bit-rate system, and since it has to continually provide the "core" mono part of the signal, it must split the audio into L+R and L-R components, rather than use discrete stereo (Left & Right) encoding. And even when properly phased, audio with a large amount of high-frequency stereo separation can also be "challenging" to encode. This is such as percussion effects in only the Left or Right channel, especially cymbal crashes, which demand a high amount of detail in a short amount of time in order to encode with good quality. I've encoded hundreds of songs using MusePack (.MPC), which is a variable bit-rate system and thus more "challenging" songs will result in a higher average bit-rate. Out of the popular music I've encoded, the song with the lowest average bit-rate is ABBA's 1974 hit "Waterloo" at 159 kbps, and the highest bit-rate is Marvin Gaye's final hit "Sexual Healing" at 181 kbps. LeAnn Rimes' "Blue" is also up there at 180 kbps. (In comparison, the average of other songs is typically around 165 to 170 kbps.) In the latter two cases, those high bit-rates are due to a lot of high-frequency separation and demanding percussion effects, while in the former case ("Waterloo"), there is virtually no stereo separation of the treble to speak of, and a "Wall Of Sound" approach to production which created a final mix lacking in detail and dynamic range. Alas... sometimes all this digital compression nonsense is enough for me to just pull out an old cassette and enjoy pure, unadulterated analog sound. Indeed, before the CD became "competition" in the mid-'80s, many pre-recorded cassettes had amazingly wide dynamic range, even on regular Type I tape. Check out "ELO's Greatest Hits" -- mastered in 1975, and still available on cassette today. On "Telephone Line", the audio ranges from below the noise floor all the way to pegging the level meters! From stodd@vippn.com Thu Aug 07 12:03:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92465 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 19:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 19:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 19:03:26 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c35d16$e577c040$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} what's the site that keeps track of "offenders of the faith"? Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:05:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That would be Alex K's site. Don't have the current url handy, though. Not sure how recently it's been updated, either. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > Pardon my temporary mental block, but which site keeps track of > offenders, i.e. stations that used to be stereo but aren't, or are > supposed to be stereo but aren't? > From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 13:53:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15695 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 20:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 20:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 20:53:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20030807205349.4203.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.141] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 13:53:49 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} what's the site that keeps track of "offenders of the faith"? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c35d16$e577c040$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Here it is Its over 2 years old it says. http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/eboffenders.htm Michael --- Scott Todd wrote: > That would be Alex K's site. Don't have the current > url handy, though. Not > sure how recently it's been updated, either. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > Pardon my temporary mental block, but which site > keeps track of > > offenders, i.e. stations that used to be stereo > but aren't, or are > > supposed to be stereo but aren't? > > > > > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 22:29:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48165 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 05:29:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 05:29:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 05:29:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2003 05:29:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:29:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Satellite radio hits a costly snag Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 711 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From another radio message board.... looks like we shouldn't throw away our obsolete AM/FM radios just yet: "XM Satellite Radio announced today that due to premature degradation of the solar panels on its satellites, it will need to launch its spare 'bird' next year -- way ahead of schedule. They will also need to order a replacement spare from Boeing. This will cost them hundreds of millions of dollars for satellite construction and launching. As they will have 3 satellites in the sky instead of 2, a pair of them are to be 'co-located.' XM has filed an insurance claim for $400 million, which the insurers have denied. XM says it will go to court if necessary. What an unfortunate mess." From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Fri Aug 08 02:45:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57561 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 09:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 09:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 09:45:01 -0000 Received: from user-1061.bbd08tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.124.37] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19l3nw-0005OE-OE for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:45:00 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:43:32 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FS: Motorola C-Quam Stereo Exciter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man I think this is still for sale should anyone on the list be interested. AD topic FOR SALE: Motorola C Quam AM stereo Exciter The guys boss wants $500.00 Contact info: Randy Kerbawy Chief Engineer Southern Communications I only have his e-mail: Randy Kerbawy Rgds -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Aug 08 08:14:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3074 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 15:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 15:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 15:14:37 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:14:36 -0600 Message-ID: <001901c35dbf$c7f78510$5401010a@AM> To: Subject: airchecks Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:14:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of new airchecks that I quickly grabbed this morning while on the air. Since I forgot my SRF-42 at home, these are direct from the Motorola C-quam modulation monitor. http://www.1240keva.com/airchecks Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Fri Aug 08 11:00:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4104 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 18:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 18:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 18:00:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2003 18:00:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 18:00:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: airchecks Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001901c35dbf$c7f78510$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 358 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.53.87 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > A couple of new airchecks that I quickly grabbed this morning while on the air. Since I forgot my SRF-42 at home, these are direct from the Motorola C-quam modulation monitor. > > http:/airchecks > > > Michael n WYO > Great sound. Any plans to stream in stereo ? From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Aug 08 11:15:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68290 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 18:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 18:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 18:15:53 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.32]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:15:53 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: airchecks Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:15:17 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Dave Unfortunately, the usual RIAA and streaming crap keeps us from streaming audio :( I used to back in the day when everyone was doing it and before the RIAA and everyone else started throwing a fit about it falling under the digital millenium copyright act or whatever it's called. But not anymore :( Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Dave [mailto:amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 12:01 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: airchecks --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > A couple of new airchecks that I quickly grabbed this morning while on the air. Since I forgot my SRF-42 at home, these are direct from the Motorola C-quam modulation monitor. > > http:/airchecks > > > Michael n WYO > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Fri Aug 08 11:39:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68661 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 18:39:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 18:39:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 18:39:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2003 18:39:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 18:39:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kloss Tivoli Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c35ad1$399a8b00$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1597 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello Chris, Thanks for the tips. If it's a simple: " find a power source, tap the AM IF output and then join the CC decoder at where the FM stereo output is" it should be no problem. These Tivoli PALs do not seem to be widely distributed but there is a local (Austin, TX) dealer. Best regards, Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > The PAL Tivoli is one of the most rewarding conversions yet. The front end > pretty much follows the Philips design guide, which is good. Now, being a > manual radio, they do not use the "fuzzy logic" that the other philips > designs do. A good thing, as any slight differences cause drifting when you > add a converter (using a digital front end) > The PAL also has a totally shielded front end- tuner, osc. coils, everything > is cased in tin, top and bottom. Fortuantely, the decoder adds in at the IF > chip, so you don't need to go in there. The decoder output sits in parallel > with the current output, and there is no interference. > I still have to snap some pics, but with my dad taking all my time now, it > will be a few days before I can. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pabigelow > To: > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 3:21 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kloss Tivoli > > > > Hello, > > > > The Philips chip appears to be (description-wise, anyway) > > a pretty good chip: double-balanced mixers for both AM and FM. > > In theory, it should be better than most portable radios and > > have superior IP3 specs in both AM and FM. From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri Aug 08 11:58:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76614 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 18:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 18:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 18:58:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2003 18:58:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 18:58:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Satellite radio hits a costly snag Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1146 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.174.254 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Well it looks like I made have bet on the wrong horse again. I just put XM satellite radio in my car and bought a receiver for the house two months ago. This worrys me because they still are not in the black and now they have to shell out another $400 million plus. It looks like I may have two more doorstops for my place soon. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > From another radio message board.... looks like we shouldn't throw > away our obsolete AM/FM radios just yet: > > > "XM Satellite Radio announced today that due to premature degradation > of the solar panels on its satellites, it will need to launch its > spare 'bird' next year -- way ahead of schedule. They will also need > to order a replacement spare from Boeing. This will cost them > hundreds of millions of dollars for satellite construction and > launching. As they will have 3 satellites in the sky instead of 2, > a pair of them are to be 'co-located.' > > XM has filed an insurance claim for $400 million, which the insurers > have denied. XM says it will go to court if necessary. What an > unfortunate mess." From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 13:08:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85717 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 20:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 20:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 20:08:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20030808200809.88303.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.141] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:08:09 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Satellite radio hits a costly snag To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Well "plain" AM Stereo would be a lot simpler and cost effective by the sound of things-although I never heard this satellite stuff so cant comment on its quality. Michael --- douglasharding wrote: > Well it looks like I made have bet on the wrong > horse again. I just > put XM satellite radio in my car and bought a > receiver for the house > two months ago. This worrys me because they still > are not in the black > and now they have to shell out another $400 million > plus. It looks > like I may have two more doorstops for my place > soon. > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > From another radio message board.... looks like we > shouldn't throw > > away our obsolete AM/FM radios just yet: __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dougharding@mindspring.com Fri Aug 08 16:54:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27757 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 23:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 23:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 23:54:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2003 23:54:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 23:54:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: Satellite radio hits a costly snag Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030808200809.88303.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 688 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.193.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Well "plain" AM Stereo would be a lot simpler and cost > effective by the sound of things-although I never > heard this satellite stuff so cant comment on its > quality. I got it to listen to CNN CNBC and FOX news in the car. You really cannot listen to music more than an hour because of listener fatigue. I am sure it has something to do with the compression system they use. The music starts to bother me after an hour. You are right. I can listen to Wideband AM stereo all day and it sounds great but here in Miami we have no AM stereo except for my Chris Cuff lite transmitter that does sound great! From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 17:06:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39351 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 00:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2003 00:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 00:06:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20030809000636.25465.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.141] by web41206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:06:36 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Satellite radio hits a costly snag To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus I just got my Chris Cuff Transmitter too and it sounds really great with depth too and FM stereo often here is mono although it lights the stereo light and the music is repeated 6x a day for 3 months then its the next 10 songs for 3 months. Michael --- douglasharding wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and > Ross > wrote: > > Well "plain" AM Stereo would be a lot simpler and > cost > > effective by the sound of things-although I never > > heard this satellite stuff so cant comment on its > > quality. > > I got it to listen to CNN CNBC and FOX news in the > car. You really > cannot listen to music more than an hour because of > listener fatigue. > I am sure it has something to do with the > compression system they use. > The music starts to bother me after an hour. You are > right. I can > listen to Wideband AM stereo all day and it sounds > great but here in > Miami we have no AM stereo except for my Chris Cuff > lite transmitter > that does sound great! > > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Aug 08 21:06:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84198 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 04:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2003 04:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.111) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 04:06:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:06:06 -0700 Received: from 172.166.10.178 by bay7-dav7.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 04:06:05 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Satellite radio hits a costly snag Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:05:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2003 04:06:06.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E5A19A0:01C35E2B] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.166.10.178] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 douglasharding wrote: > Well it looks like I made have bet on the wrong horse again. I just put XM satellite radio in my car and bought a receiver for the house two months ago. Don't worry too much. When the two direct satellite radio services were licensed, one of the requirements was the receivers had to be compatible. This means if XM bites the dust, your radio can be switched to Sirius, or if Sirius dies, Sirius radios can be switched to XM. Kevin From bjackson@indyradio.com Sat Aug 09 01:21:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22319 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 08:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2003 08:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 08:21:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2003 08:21:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 08:21:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Updated Aircheck Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 522 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 Every once in a while I like to post a new MP3 aircheck of our AC format AM stereo WZZB. This aircheck is from Thursday, 8-7-2003. Part of a live shift, then some of the automation. Kevin T, you asked for this...IT's from my Carver tx-11a recorded directly into a laptop pc with Cool Edit 2000 :-) Watch out! I like to show our little station off (The only Susquehanna AM still in C-QuAM) so it's almost a 10 mb file. http://iw1.indyweb.net/~bjackson/ - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - WGLD/WGRL/WFMS From oscar@globility.com Sat Aug 09 05:29:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30111 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 12:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2003 12:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.139) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 12:28:57 -0000 Received: from MTS-HAL-II (ppp-RAS3-1-248.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.244.248]) by smtp2.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F3313610 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200308090829000078.005D0700@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 08:29:00 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Updated Aircheck Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy On 09/08/2003 at 8:21 AM bradleyj923 wrote: >Every once in a while I like to post a new MP3 aircheck of our AC=20 >format AM stereo WZZB.=20 > <> > >Watch out! I like to show our little station off (The only=20 >Susquehanna AM still in C-QuAM) so it's almost a 10 mb file. > An excellent stereo presentation. What the people in your corner of the wor= ld who don't have AM sterero are missing is very sad indeed. Perhaps one day we'll be able to hear it on another AM-stereo tuner of note= . ;-)) MS From bjackson@indyradio.com Sat Aug 09 05:42:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60791 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 12:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2003 12:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 12:42:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2003 12:42:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 12:42:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Updated Aircheck Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200308090829000078.005D0700@mail.globility.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 764 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M.S." wrote: > > An excellent stereo presentation. What the people in your corner of the world who don't have AM sterero are missing is very sad indeed. > > Perhaps one day we'll be able to hear it on another AM-stereo tuner of note. ;-)) > > MS The Carver tx-11a doesn't have the "proper" de-emphasis, so it's a little bright (I tried to make up for that in Cool Edit). But, these days, I'm just glad I still have a strong AM Stereo signal with music on it! Working in radio (insert your own joke here abou pay!) it may be a while, but I would love to get one of the Fanfare tuners to listen to WZZB on. But, until then, my Carver does a good job :-) - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat Aug 09 08:14:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96761 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 15:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2003 15:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 15:14:19 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030809151407.GRCK20038.fed1mtao08.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:14:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:14:17 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Satellite radio hits a costly snag Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <24E4C004-CA7C-11D7-9BEB-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner That requirement was to be done by the release of the "second generation" receivers. So far, XM and Sirius have conveniently forgotten about the requirement, and the receivers are still not compatible with both systems. I have covered that issue many times in my column. Richard On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:05 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > douglasharding wrote: >> Well it looks like I made have bet on the wrong horse again. I just >> put XM > satellite radio in my car and bought a receiver for the house two > months > ago. > > Don't worry too much. When the two direct satellite radio services were > licensed, one of the requirements was the receivers had to be > compatible. > This means if XM bites the dust, your radio can be switched to Sirius, > or if > Sirius dies, Sirius radios can be switched to XM. > > Kevin > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Low on Ink? Get 80% off inkjet cartridges & Free Shipping at > 77Colors.com. > We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark, Canon, Compaq and more! > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5981 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/DmnqpB/IyhGAA/ySSFAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From dougharding@mindspring.com Sat Aug 09 09:58:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93042 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 16:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2003 16:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 16:58:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2003 16:58:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 16:58:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: Satellite radio hits a costly snag Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24E4C004-CA7C-11D7-9BEB-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 726 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.197.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding I am afraid Richard is right. My Pioneer receiver (car) and Delphi (home) will only work with XM. There are supposed to be new receivers coming out that will receive both but I have never seen them. At least the Pioneer will make a good doorstop. I even paid for a full year of service in advance because they give you two months free. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > That requirement was to be done by the release of the "second > generation" receivers. So far, XM and Sirius have conveniently > forgotten about the requirement, and the receivers are still not > compatible with both systems. > > I have covered that issue many times in my column. > > Richard > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Aug 09 15:28:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73589 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 22:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2003 22:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 22:28:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:28:57 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav3.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:28:57 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: fs: cleaning out shack Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:29:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2003 22:28:57.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F7CCB70:01C35EC5] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd 3Com, SuperStack 2, Hub 10. I have 8 of these for $15.00 ea. + s/h (some have rackmounts some dont. see pic. I also have a master control unit 3Com LanPlex 2500 (has rackmounts) for $35.00 + s/h. no pic. some of the SSII/Hub10's have a couple of bad ports. I'd say 20 out of 24 ports on each unit are working. These are garunteed not DOA. but are sold "AS-IS". They are good units. I am keeping and using some for myself. I have a Tek 465 Dual Trace 100MHz scope that need a HV multiplier. It includes service manual. $50.00 + s/h I have a Cushcraft AFM-4DA, 2meter, 4 Bay 1/2 Wave High Gain Dipole array. $75.00 + s/h. Also have a Unity gain Commercial Grade Fiberglass base antenna 151-155MHz $50.00 + s/h Have about 300 LP's, All special DJ Rap/R&B/Hip-Hop Remixes $1.00 ea. Pick up only in 08826 or I will meet halfway. These have been heavily used and abused. -- Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) FM Stereo 88.3, AM 1610 Community Radio Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) FM Stereo 88.3, AM 1610 Community Radio From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Aug 09 15:48:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4166 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 22:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2003 22:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 22:48:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:48:05 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav4.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:48:05 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: fs: Electronics shop going out of bussiness. Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:48:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2003 22:48:05.0491 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BD02C30:01C35EC8] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have Electronics parts, VCR's, Laser Disk Players, Computer Stuff, Radio Stuff, Satellite, Cable TV. Looking for some one to come here look it all over and make me a reasonable offer. If/When you come bring a moving truck. Pic's upon request. fs: cleaning out shack and fa: items in ebay not included. Tools and a few other misc. items not included. -- Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) FM Stereo 88.3, AM 1610 Community Radio Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) FM Stereo 88.3, AM 1610 Community Radio From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Aug 09 16:53:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27470 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 23:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2003 23:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 23:53:24 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.43.20ab2e70 (4116) for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43.20ab2e70.2c66e371@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:53:21 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8.7 watts? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The lowest power found in the St. Louis market at night belongs to Crawford's KSTL 690 AM Stereo in East St. Louis, IL; a whopping 18 watts! It's enough to put a good signal in for a ten-mile radius. I can hear them at my location, 17 miles northwest of East St. Louis! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Aug 09 17:00:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14388 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 00:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 00:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 00:00:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2003 00:00:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 00:00:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Updated Aircheck Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2914 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The Carver tx-11a doesn't have the "proper" de-emphasis, so it's a > little bright (I tried to make up for that in Cool Edit). But, > these days, I'm just glad I still have a strong AM Stereo signal > with music on it! I have developed a Cool Edit Pro FFT Filter preset for exact NRSC "modified 75 uS" de-emphasis. I'm not sure if it'll work for other versions, such as Cool Edit 2000, but it's worth a try. Locate the "cool.ini" file in the directory that you installed Cool Edit into, and then within that file, locate the "[Filters96]" heading (the number after "Filters" may be different). You'll see a list of presets, labeled "Item1=", "Item2=", etc., each with a name and a long string of numbers. Add the following preset (all on one line, no spaces) as a new "Item" entry at the end of that heading: Item##=NRSC_De-Emphasis,3,25,0,0,9,0,18,0,74,1,130,4,185,8,278,16,371 ,25,464,34,557,42,650,50,743,57,835,63,928,69,1021,74,1114,78,1207,82 ,1300,85,1393,88,1486,91,1578,94,1671,96,1764,98,1857,100,4096,100,4, 0,100,1245,100,1247,0,4096,0,2,1,512,1,4,0,0,648,31,831,57,1000,100,3 ,0,100,0,-10,2048,2,1,0,0,44100 Substitute an appropriate Item number in place of "##". For example, if the last existing Item entry was "Item15=", make it "Item16=". Save cool.ini, and now when you load Cool Edit Pro, you'll see a new preset for "NRSC_De-Emphasis" in the FFT Filter function. The response curve graph will actually go upwards, because I originally designed it as a PRE-emphasis curve, and then flipped the dB value so that it acts as the matching DE-emphasis. The NRSC curve is undefined above 10 kHz, so I kept it flat at -10 dB beyond that point. Here's how it looks on my screen: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/filter.gif With this filter setting, you could record from the Carver with its de-emphasis disabled, and then use this exact NRSC de-emphasis to regain the correct frequency response. Cool Edit's FFT Filter is incredibly powerful... it does take quite some time to learn how to use it most effectively, but once you do, you can make great stuff, like sharp notch filters to cut out carrier whistles and heterodyne tones, equalization filters to flatten out the response of sub-optimal receivers, roll-off filters to reduce noise from DX recordings, etc. These are the same kind of tricks that DSP-based receivers, such as Motorola's "Symphony", are able to achieve as well -- bringing all of the advantages of digital processing to reliable, compatible ANALOG AM and FM broadcasts. For airchecks that will be encoded as MP3, it is also ideal to use a 10 kHz low-pass filter, as with today's NRSC-filtered broadcasts, any audio above 10 kHz is only going to be noise, hiss, and distortion effects. That will reduce the quality of the MP3 encoding, as these useless high frequencies "steal" bits away from the more important < 10 kHz audio. From bjackson@indyradio.com Sat Aug 09 18:10:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99953 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 01:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 01:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 01:10:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2003 01:10:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:10:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Updated Aircheck Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 631 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I have developed a Cool Edit Pro FFT Filter preset for exact NRSC > "modified 75 uS" de-emphasis. I'm not sure if it'll work for other > versions, such as Cool Edit 2000, but it's worth a try. ** snip ** Kevin, I'll give that a try. When listening at home, I just cut the treble. I still have the untouched wav file. If it works in CE 2k, I'll just re-upload the file. Also, I limited the mp3 to 12.5khz rather than 10khz since the Carver actually can do 15khz audio...Although I see your point :-) - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 09 22:17:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62788 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 05:17:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 05:17:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 05:17:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20030810051705.37061.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:17:05 PDT Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 22:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WZZB sounds great! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Brad Jackson wrote: "Subject: Updated Aircheck Every once in a while I like to post a new MP3 aircheck of our AC format AM stereo WZZB." Brad, well worth the 10MB download! How did you get such a high-end audio frequency? How far away from the transmitter was the tuner? Great music too- You've gotta listen to WZZB on a Fanfare tuner too! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From bjackson@indyradio.com Sat Aug 09 23:06:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7254 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 06:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 06:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 06:06:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2003 06:06:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 06:06:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WZZB sounds great! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030810051705.37061.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 755 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.119 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Brad, well worth the 10MB download! How did you get such a high- end audio > frequency? How far away from the transmitter was the tuner? Great music too- > You've gotta listen to WZZB on a Fanfare tuner too! Gawd, how I wish I could afford a Fanfare!!! lol As for the high-end...Remember, the Carver's frequency response is 30hz-15khz. I was about 10 miles from the tower...At my parents house. I can pick WZZB up here in Indy, but not nearly as clear. My next goal (since we own the station) is to see if I can get an aircheck off of the Motorola Mod Monitor. When IBOC sounds that good, then I'll be a supporter :-) - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From baansy@yahoo.com Sat Aug 09 23:49:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: baansy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11680 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 06:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 06:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 06:49:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2003 06:49:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 06:49:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: PAMS STORE Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 262 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "baansy" X-Originating-IP: 203.166.107.242 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142701728 X-Yahoo-Profile: baansy I found this website that has cd,s of radio jingles from around the world maybe in AM STEREO. I was suprised to find Adelaides 5AD was included. 5AD was on 1323 on the AM band in stereo in the mid 80,s but went to FM in 1993. http://www.kenr.com/store.html From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 06:30:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16827 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 13:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 13:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41009.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.8) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 13:30:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20030810133038.30773.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.86.249.86] by web41009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 06:30:38 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 06:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Your decision to drop stereo. To: easymusic@3mp.com.au Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I am truly sorry to hear that 3MP has dropped stereo. While I am about 10,000 miles outside of your reception area, a listener in St. Kilda has been providing me with airchecks for about four years. Since I am involved with the radio industry here in Rhode Island, I was able to pass along a tape to another radio geek friend who was blown away by your former sound. In fact, hearing your stereo airchecks made him a convert to A.M. stereo. While I hear that your decision to drop A.M. stereo was due to moving to a studio site that was too far away from the XMTR. to microwave or landline, I can't help but think an F.M. would encounter the same issue. Stereo would still be there without a 2nd thought. I understand that F.M. stereo is basically universal, but I don't believe that A.M. stereo should be given the brush-off either. I do not know whether Australia is looking into IBOC digital like our foolish F.C.C. is here, but from early reports it will NOT sound as good as predicted, which includes A.M. stereo (IBOC's 5kHz fidelity vs. A.M. Stereo's 10kHz) and it has a problem with nighttime reception. If your country is slated for Eureka 147, that seems a better way to go. Regardless, A.M. stereo is available now and your station had proved that A.M. can sound GREAT. Please pass this along to your general manager as a show of support to resume broadcasting in A.M. stereo. Thank you for your time and many airchecks. Jay Rogers WPEP/1570-Taunton, Mass., U.S.A. WSAR/1480-Fall River, Mass., U.S.A. WWBB/101.5-Providence, R.I., U.S.A. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dav259@csiro.au Sun Aug 10 16:42:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76732 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 23:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 23:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 23:42:19 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7ANgIY12488 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:42:18 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:42:18 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Your decision to drop stereo. In-Reply-To: <20030810133038.30773.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, JNR wrote: > I am truly sorry to hear that 3MP has dropped > stereo. Thanks Jay! From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Aug 10 16:54:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93960 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 23:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 23:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 23:54:55 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7ANsrs08003 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:54:53 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7ANsr609893 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:54:53 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7ANsri09834 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:54:53 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:54:53 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47115@aubwm206> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Wideband i1197AM - Live Streaming (Mono) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:54:44 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Hi, I have been tweaking my live stream of 1197 AM that I am receiving off-air using my Sony ST-JX420A If you want to have a listen to check out the quality, you'll need the latest Winamp 2.9x (Full Version as it contains the Vorbis codec) Download from http://classic.winamp.com/download/ - get the "Full Version" Once installed, click the URL below: http://xstream1.com:8610/i1197.ogg.m3u I'm using the Ogg Vorbis codec so the quality is great - bitrate around 34kbps so works on a 56k modem. Feedback appreciated! Matt =) From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 17:54:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71550 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 00:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 00:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41001.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.0) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 00:54:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20030811005432.20969.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.86.249.130] by web41001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:54:32 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Your decision to drop stereo. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Ian, I hope that you receive a stereo signal on 1377 again. It took four months, but I agreed that in return for a cassette of 3MP if it ever reverted to mono I would write them I would. Thanks for all of the tapes you've sent. Now, I hope you'll be able to again. 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Aug 10 18:02:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43842 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 01:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 01:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 01:02:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (d45-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.77]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h7B12bD39626 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:02:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: KRIB AM stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7224D71A-CB97-11D7-BC0C-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla http://www.kribradio.com/ Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Aug 11 10:15:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24528 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 17:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 17:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 17:14:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2003 17:14:52 -0000 Date: 11 Aug 2003 17:14:52 -0000 Message-ID: <1060622092.11294.59732.w22@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /digital/RW-CAD-IBOC-7_03.pdf Uploaded by : amymousie Description : I was asked to forward this to the group. This is from the July, 2003 international edition of RadioWorld magazine, concerning cross-border issues and IBOC. It seems Canada is worried that IBOC, particularly AM IBOC, is in direct violation of international treaties the US has with its neighbors- Canada and Mexico in particular. (You'll have to rotate the scans.) You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/digital/RW-CAD-IBOC-7_03.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, amymousie From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Aug 11 13:17:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75210 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 20:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 20:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 20:17:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:17:24 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav3.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:17:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: This is bad, Very Bad(BPL) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:17:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2003 20:17:24.0493 (UTC) FILETIME=[93C8DBD0:01C36045] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/08/08/2/?nc=1 Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) FM Stereo 88.3, AM 1610 Community Radio From stodd@vippn.com Mon Aug 11 17:44:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63488 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 00:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 00:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 00:43:59 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01c3606b$27ee4640$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <7224D71A-CB97-11D7-BC0C-00050291D22F@fastq.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} KRIB AM stereo Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:46:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't get down to Mason City all that much, but if I do anytime soon, I'll have to take an AMS radio to check them out. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin" To: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:02 PM Subject: {AMSF} KRIB AM stereo > http://www.kribradio.com/ > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From stodd@vippn.com Mon Aug 11 17:45:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22389 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 00:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 00:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 00:45:48 -0000 Message-ID: <002c01c3606b$691d4940$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Your decision to drop stereo. Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:48:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You've sent me a few tapes- what's the email address so I can bug them too? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" To: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 6:42 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Your decision to drop stereo. > On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, JNR wrote: > > > I am truly sorry to hear that 3MP has dropped > > stereo. > > Thanks Jay! > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From dav259@csiro.au Mon Aug 11 18:45:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28944 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 01:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 01:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 01:45:11 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7C1jAY16915 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:45:10 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:45:10 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Your decision to drop stereo. In-Reply-To: <002c01c3606b$691d4940$827dfea9@home1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Thanks Scott easymusic@3mp.com.au I guess anything sent there should also be copied to: 3ak@3ak.com.au (Talk 1116 3AK is still in stereo) and Peter Smerdon Peter is their engineer and has said in our ng that AMS is a lost cause. These stations are currently going through a management turmoil and their worst ratings ever. Hopefully if their ratings improve they'll be able to afford some rubber bands ... and AMS on their music station. On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Scott Todd wrote: > You've sent me a few tapes- what's the email address so I can bug them too? > > Scott > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Davidson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 6:42 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Your decision to drop stereo. > > > > On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, JNR wrote: > > > > > I am truly sorry to hear that 3MP has dropped > > > stereo. > > > > Thanks Jay! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 20:46:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72913 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 03:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 03:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 03:46:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2003 03:46:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 03:46:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: This is bad, Very Bad(BPL) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1671 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/08/08/2/?nc=1 The FCC Part 15 rules are a conundrum. Microbroadcasters say they're too strict, and that higher RF emission levels should be allowed so that an unlicensed AM or FM station can legally cover more than just a few hundred feet. However, turn on something like a dimmer switch, a "wall wart" power supply, an LED-type traffic light, or this new "BPL", and then the Part 15 limits suddenly become way too lenient -- allowing hiss, hash, buzzing, and crackles to nearly obliterate AM and HF/Shortwave reception over significant areas. My biggest pet peeve are the LED traffic light signals; some are generally RF-quiet, interfereing with only the weakest AM signals (although still worse than the ZERO interference from a regular incandescent-bulb traffic light), while others -- including the majority I've experienced -- will wipe out even moderately strong AM signals with a loud and annoying hiss and/or buzz as you drive underneath them. FWIW, I think the type with individual round "dots" comprising a red, green, or amber "light" are more RF-noisy than the newer(?) design with a more coherent array of rectangular LEDs. So far my efforts to contact the FCC, ARRL, and traffic light manufacturers about this have all been dead-ends. I think the general excuse is going to be that these LED traffic lights are "Part 15-compliant", and therefore there is no legal responsibility to make them any less prone to causing RF interference. But just like with dimmer switches and now BPL, that doesn't mean that we should have to just accept it and its consequences to our enjoyment of radio! From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon Aug 11 23:45:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53365 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 06:45:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 06:45:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 06:45:34 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030812064529.HOCO20038.fed1mtao08.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:45:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:45:29 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: This is bad, Very Bad(BPL) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <90223F26-CC90-11D7-8341-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner No lights I have ever driven under in Los Angeles County or other parts of Southern California have ever done that to my AM radio. Power lines, yes. LED traffic lights, no. And all but a handful are now LED. Richard On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 08:46 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > My biggest pet peeve are the LED traffic light signals; some are > generally RF-quiet, interfereing with only the weakest AM signals > (although still worse than the ZERO interference from a regular > incandescent-bulb traffic light), while others -- including the > majority I've experienced -- will wipe out even moderately strong > AM signals with a loud and annoying hiss and/or buzz as you drive > underneath them. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 00:02:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40444 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 07:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 07:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 07:02:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2003 07:02:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:02:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: This is bad, Very Bad(BPL) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <90223F26-CC90-11D7-8341-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 365 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.94 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > No lights I have ever driven under in Los Angeles County or other parts > of Southern California have ever done that to my AM radio. Power lines, > yes. LED traffic lights, no. And all but a handful are now LED. Seems like we have been through this all before. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 00:53:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84664 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 07:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 07:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 07:53:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2003 07:53:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:53:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: This is bad, Very Bad(BPL) & LED traffic lights... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1287 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Seems like we have been through this all before. And I invite anybody to come over here to New Jersey and drive underneath the LED traffic lights we have here. They must be using leftover "Custom Manufactured in China for Tandy Corporation" power supplies from Radio Shack or something. There's one right by my house that even hashes onto the signal of a station whose transmitter is only 5 miles away. Some of them even cause interference to *FM* reception! Thankfully, however, I've seen a good number of brand new traffic light installations that are going back the good ol' RF-noise-free incandescent bulb design. They look better, too, especially at night -- the colors are more recognizable (with the traditional blueish tint to the "green" light, better for color-blind people), and they can be bright without dazzling your eyes. p.s. Oh, and there's another difference between California and East Coast traffic lights -- ours have a short delay between one side's light turning red and the other side's light turning green, to give some "grace period" for people who don't quite make it through a late yellow; however, in California, all the lights I saw had no such delay -- as soon as one side turned red, the other side would *instantly* turn green. From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Aug 12 06:37:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41535 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 13:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 13:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 13:37:50 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:37:49 -0600 Message-ID: <000d01c360d6$ec675a50$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: This is bad, Very Bad(BPL) & LED traffic lights... Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:37:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know we're straying off topic here, but here in Wyoming and also Utah as well as Colorado, Idaho, and Montana and Nevada.....anywhere near here......we have the delay as well between the one side turning red. Growing up in Louisiana I can tell ya there, there was no delay. I haven't noticed a whole lot of hiss or interference from the LED traffic lights. Here in Evanston the wyoming dept of transportation replaced ALL our traffic lights with LED's. I notice in the larger cities like Salt Lake and Denver, they only replace the RED with LED's and leave the amber and green with incandescent bulbs. Too expensive and too many to do maybe? Anyways....I noticed when we had a brand new traffic light put in here in town, this one had the square "blended" type LED's and/or lenses. Whereas for the existing lights, they actually took out the incandescent bulb and reflector and colored lens, and replaced it with a panel of LED's that fit in the same space. I watched them actually do it for the one on the corner by my shop. I drive under that light probably 20 times a day and I never have any interference problems, although I'm listening to local KEVA at most times. I did notice while listening to a Salt Lake station one day that there was some interference, but there are also power lines in the area and so forth so I assumed it was that and not the lights. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:53 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: This is bad, Very Bad(BPL) & LED traffic lights... > Seems like we have been through this all before. And I invite anybody to come over here to New Jersey and drive underneath the LED traffic lights we have here. They must be using leftover "Custom Manufactured in China for Tandy Corporation" power supplies from Radio Shack or something. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oscar@globility.com Tue Aug 12 10:19:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68630 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 17:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 17:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.139) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 17:19:51 -0000 Received: from MTS-HAL-II (ppp-RAS3-3-58.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.246.58]) by smtp2.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A17213A3F for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200308121319510359.010B2279@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:19:51 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: This is bad, Very Bad(BPL) & LED traffic lights... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Certainly a majority of traffic lights I have come across in my travels lat= ely are LED types and I've never heard any hash. And I do listen to distant= stations (NPR's 970 from Buffalo to West Toronto). I hear more environment= al interference than specifically from traffic lights. Power lines are more= of an offence to AM and have been forever. In fact, it's 'dirty power line= s' that seem to be most complained about. No doubt that might be the platfo= rm from which those who speak out against BPL are basing their arguments. S= uffice it to say though, if BPL gets more play, it will run headlong into t= he 'dirty powerline' problem and one or the other will have to give. Maybe = that will solve your problem as well, Kevin. ;-)) MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 12/08/2003 at 7:53 AM Kevin T. wrote: >> Seems like we have been through this all before. > >And I invite anybody to come over here to New Jersey and drive=20 >underneath the LED traffic lights we have here. They must be using=20 >leftover "Custom Manufactured in China for Tandy Corporation" power=20 >supplies from Radio Shack or something. There's one right by my=20 >house that even hashes onto the signal of a station whose transmitter=20 >is only 5 miles away. Some of them even cause interference to *FM*=20 >reception! > >Thankfully, however, I've seen a good number of brand new traffic=20 >light installations that are going back the good ol' RF-noise-free=20 >incandescent bulb design. They look better, too, especially at >night -- the colors are more recognizable (with the traditional=20 >blueish tint to the "green" light, better for color-blind people),=20 >and they can be bright without dazzling your eyes. > >p.s. Oh, and there's another difference between California and East=20 >Coast traffic lights -- ours have a short delay between one side's=20 >light turning red and the other side's light turning green, to give=20 >some "grace period" for people who don't quite make it through a late=20 >yellow; however, in California, all the lights I saw had no such=20 >delay -- as soon as one side turned red, the other side would=20 >*instantly* turn green. > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 10:34:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1627 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 17:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 17:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 17:34:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2003 17:34:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:34:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: iBiquity reveals new IBOC codec Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2685 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com..... Ibiquity Reveals Codec; NRSC Official Calls It "Spectacular" Improvement Ibiquity Digital Corp. says it has a revised codec for its HD Radio system, and the chairman of the NRSC DAB subgroup has given it a strong initial endorsement. The codec is called HDC and was developed jointly with partner Coding Technologies, developer of the aacPlus codec. Ibiquity says HDC has been customized for terrestrial AM and FM broadcasts. Coding Technologies says its Spectral Band Replication enables high audio quality at low bit-rates. "We've been working behind the scenes for quite some time on HDC and believe all of our commercialization partners will be thrilled with the audio quality of HD Radio," stated Ibiquity Digital President/CEO Robert Struble in making the announcement. "With the incorporation of HDC, our expectations are for a faster rollout amongst radio stations and receiver manufacturers." Martin Dietz, president and CEO, Coding Technologies said in the announcement, "It was a challenging task to modify both encoder and receiver implementations in time for Ibiquity's launch, and we made it. The incorporation of SBR into the HD Radio System allowed Ibiquity to achieve the level of performance needed for low bit-rate audio quality." "The improvement in audio quality on AM is spectacular with the HDC codec and there is improvement in FM quality as well," said Milford Smith, chairman of the NRSC DAB Subcommittee, in a release from Ibiquity. "Several months ago, the NRSC steering committee suspended the standard setting process for IBOC digital radio and requested that Ibiquity find an effective solution to address our concerns. In my opinion, they have found that solution. Working in conjunction with my colleagues on the steering committee of the NRSC DAB subcommittee and its sponsoring organizations, we will give very serious consideration to resuming the standards setting process." The first generation HD Radios due on store shelves soon will contain Texas Instrument DSP chips. Naresh Coppisetti, digital radio business manager at Texas Instruments, stated, "The HDC codec is functioning on TI's DRI200 digital baseband using TI's software radio platform." This, he said, will allow receiver makers to attain their product launch schedules. Coding Technologies says its Spectral Band Replication technology is part of the Digital Radio Mondiale open standard and a core object type of MPEG-4 Audio. Unknown as yet is whether Ibiquity's former codec, PAC, is part of the "revised" codec. Further details will be reported today and in days to come at www.rwonline.com. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Aug 12 13:19:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84001 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 20:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 20:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 20:19:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2003 20:19:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:19:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AMS in South Africa Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 691 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.53.177 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Just had a pakcet msg (ham radio bbs system) from ZS6STE. Anyone know what station Steve means ?! :- Hi Dave, I read your message on our one BBS here in South Africa about Radio London going on air in October and the fact that it is the first to broadcast in AM Stereo. I thought it would be of interest to you to know that we have a talk radio station here which broadcasts in AM Stereo as well. It started off in the 1980s as a music station and then in later years it was changed to a talk radio station, why, I really don't know as it played some real good music. I just thought that I would give you this bit of info for your interest. Take care and best 73's Steve. ZS6STE From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 14:30:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78247 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 21:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 21:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 21:30:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2003 21:30:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:30:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS in South Africa Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 540 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Just had a pakcet msg (ham radio bbs system) from ZS6STE. Anyone > know what station Steve means ?! :- My info is many years out of date, but I have on record the following stations in South Africa as broadcasting in AM Stereo: * "Radio Bop MW 540 Stereo", 540 & 1098 kHz, both 100 kW, Ga-Rankuwa * "Radio Metro 576 Stereo", 576 kHz, 50 kW, Meyerton Also, I have record of "Radio Swaziland 954 AM Stereo", on 954 kHz with 50 kW day/30 kW night from Sidvokodvo, Swaziland (one of the small countries enclosed within South Africa). From rwagoner1@mac.com Tue Aug 12 14:33:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31715 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 21:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 21:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 21:33:34 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030812213333.IVNO28445.fed1mtao06.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:33:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:33:32 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: This is bad, Very Bad(BPL) & LED traffic lights... Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9F6A6D63-CD0C-11D7-8A94-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Nah, there's a delay on most signals before the new side turns green. We were slow to get the LEDs. Perhaps that's why they don't have the problems with RFI. On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 12:53 AM, Kevin T. wrote: >> Seems like we have been through this all before. > > And I invite anybody to come over here to New Jersey and drive > underneath the LED traffic lights we have here. They must be using > leftover "Custom Manufactured in China for Tandy Corporation" power > supplies from Radio Shack or something. There's one right by my > house that even hashes onto the signal of a station whose transmitter > is only 5 miles away. Some of them even cause interference to *FM* > reception! > > Thankfully, however, I've seen a good number of brand new traffic > light installations that are going back the good ol' RF-noise-free > incandescent bulb design. They look better, too, especially at > night -- the colors are more recognizable (with the traditional > blueish tint to the "green" light, better for color-blind people), > and they can be bright without dazzling your eyes. > > p.s. Oh, and there's another difference between California and East > Coast traffic lights -- ours have a short delay between one side's > light turning red and the other side's light turning green, to give > some "grace period" for people who don't quite make it through a late > yellow; however, in California, all the lights I saw had no such > delay -- as soon as one side turned red, the other side would > *instantly* turn green. > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Aug 12 15:37:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38807 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 22:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 22:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 22:37:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2003 22:37:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:37:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS in South Africa Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 731 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.61.188 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Just had a pakcet msg (ham radio bbs system) from ZS6STE. Anyone > > know what station Steve means ?! :- > > My info is many years out of date, but I have on record the following > stations in South Africa as broadcasting in AM Stereo: > > * "Radio Bop MW 540 Stereo", 540 & 1098 kHz, both 100 kW, Ga- Rankuwa > * "Radio Metro 576 Stereo", 576 kHz, 50 kW, Meyerton > > Also, I have record of "Radio Swaziland 954 AM Stereo", on 954 kHz > with 50 kW day/30 kW night from Sidvokodvo, Swaziland (one of the > small countries enclosed within South Africa). Thanks for info. If I get any ams samples of the station Steve mentions I will upload From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Aug 12 15:49:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35951 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 22:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 22:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 22:49:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2003 22:49:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:49:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Wideband i1197AM - Live Streaming (Mono) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47115@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 902 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.61.188 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Hi, > > I have been tweaking my live stream of 1197 AM that I am receiving off-air > using my Sony ST-JX420A > > If you want to have a listen to check out the quality, you'll need the > latest Winamp 2.9x (Full Version as it contains the Vorbis codec) > Download from http://classic.winamp.com/download/ - get the "Full Version" > > Once installed, click the URL below: > > http://xstream1.com:8610/i1197.ogg.m3u > > I'm using the Ogg Vorbis codec so the quality is great - bitrate around > 34kbps so works on a 56k modem. > > Feedback appreciated! > I'm using the Jet Audio Pro player here and quaslity is not bad at all. I do get re-buffering every few mins though. How close is this station to going stereo though THAT is the question! How about you streaming some true Aussie am stereo btw ?! From oscar@globility.com Tue Aug 12 20:13:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47760 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 03:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 03:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 03:13:33 -0000 Received: from MTS-HAL-II (ppp-RAS3-3-58.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.246.58]) by smtp1.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6133715D7D for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200308122313340546.008633E5@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: <9F6A6D63-CD0C-11D7-8A94-0005021D3C76@mac.com> References: <9F6A6D63-CD0C-11D7-8A94-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:13:34 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: This is bad, Very Bad(BPL) & LED traffic lights... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy On 12/08/2003 at 2:33 PM Richard Wagoner wrote: >Nah, there's a delay on most signals before the new side turns green. > >We were slow to get the LEDs. Perhaps that's why they don't have the=20=20 >problems with RFI. We began an 2 second "all-red" delay up here some 20 years ago. IMO, with t= he number of red lights being run practically everywhere, and the cost in l= ife and property it is exacting, a delay of at least 10 seconds should be m= andatory, with a 6 month driving suspension for anyone caught in the inters= ection 5 seconds after the change. For some, that amount of time may seem t= o be overly long. But, for those who are victims of such impatience, it cou= ld mean an eternity.=20 My nickel's worth MS From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Aug 12 21:23:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53213 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 04:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 04:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 04:23:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:23:46 -0700 Received: from 172.161.218.162 by bay7-dav49.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 04:23:45 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: OT Equalization Question Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:23:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2003 04:23:46.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFE5A060:01C36152] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.161.218.162] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 I want to hook a magnetic phono cartridge (Stanton 500) directly to the inputs of my sound card to record LPs into Cool Edit Pro. What is the proper equalization setting for reproduction of the RIAA EQ? What is the proper EQ for 78 RPM records? Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 21:33:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99497 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 04:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 04:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 04:33:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20030813043327.44847.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:33:27 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Chrsyler Radio Mods? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Alfredo, Kevins, all techies: In the never ending quest to improve AM radio (AM stereo) - have any of you been messing around with the Chrysler radios? The 1995 vintage Chrysler Infinity radios are AMAX, but the 1999-2003 radios (RAZ) that have AM stereo do NOT have as wide of a bandwidth as the older models. My question is, will just replacing the ceramic filter make a large improvement? The older AMAX Chryslers used a blue 5-pin filter with either of the following letters: 50EX4 or SFH450F3. Does anybody have specs on either of those? The newer model (narrow bandwidth) I took apart had a single black filter labeled 50GT CF1; will replacing this filter improve the audio to the AMAX level again? Have any of you tried that? Also, the new model Chryslers (with the rounded face) also has 3 resistors (in a group of 6) on the '2nd board' inside that get hot enough to melt wax (R971,R972,R973). Any idea why these resistors get smoking hot? Is it supposed to be a 'heater' in cold climates? Ideas? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 21:51:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25261 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 04:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 04:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80511.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 04:51:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20030813045150.88276.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.100] by web80511.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:51:50 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Equalization Question To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > I want to hook a magnetic phono cartridge (Stanton > 500) directly to the > inputs of my sound card to record LPs into Cool Edit > Pro. What is the proper > equalization setting for reproduction of the RIAA > EQ? What is the proper EQ > for 78 RPM records? Use a preamp with RIAA...there was no SPECIFIC EQ for 78's.... (!!!) it varied from manufacturer to manufacture of the discs! Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 22:45:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4169 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 05:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 05:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 05:45:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2003 05:45:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:45:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT Equalization Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1043 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I want to hook a magnetic phono cartridge (Stanton 500) directly to > the inputs of my sound card to record LPs into Cool Edit Pro. What > is the proper equalization setting for reproduction of the RIAA EQ? > What is the proper EQ for 78 RPM records? You'd be better off getting a real phono pre-amp instead of trying to mimic it with EQ. A magnetic phono cartridge puts out a very low-level signal, and unless your computer has a very high-quality sound card, that small signal will likely be marred with lots of hiss and other unwanted noises when you go to record it into Cool Edit. Here's one site with more info on phono pre-amps, offering a simple but good-quality one for US$44.95: http://www.turntablebelts.com/preamp.htm Or, just keep an eye out at flea markets or garage sales for any older stereo receiver that has a Phono input and Tape outputs. If you feed the turntable into the receiver's Phono input, and then connect the receiver's Tape output to your computer, that will serve perfectly as a phono pre-amp. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 22:59:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20226 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 05:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 05:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 05:59:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2003 05:59:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:59:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chrsyler Radio Mods? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030813043327.44847.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2034 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > In the never ending quest to improve AM radio (AM stereo) - have > any of you been messing around with the Chrysler radios? The 1995 > vintage Chrysler Infinity radios are AMAX, but the 1999-2003 radios > (RAZ) that have AM stereo do NOT have as wide of a bandwidth as the > older models. There were actually two revisions of the older AMAX-type Chrysler radios (with 5-band EQ). The ones made by Mitsubishi tune up to 1700 kHz on AM and use a 7.5 kHz ceramic filter (although the bandwidth is automatically adjusted according to signal strength). On the other hand, the ones made by Alpine tune up to 1710 kHz on AM and use a 6.0 kHz ceramic filter (again, with the auto-variable bandwidth). Thus, the Mitsubishi-made radios sound a bit better (although both of them have fantastic treble response, given a little high-end EQ boost), but the Alpine-made radios are more selective and also seem to enter AM Stereo mode more quickly -- sometimes you begin to hear Stereo audio a split- second *before* the "ST" indicator lights up! Also, the Mitsubishi-made radios use a custom AM Stereo decoder chip which is based on the Motorola MC13022 but is not pin-compatible with it, while the Alpine-made radios use a standard MC13022 decoder and the matching MC13025 front end tuner chip. Both designs also have a very effective 10 kHz "whistle filter", something I think no wide-band AM receiver should be without. > My question is, will just replacing the ceramic filter make a large > improvement? If you could find a filter that offers a wider bandwidth but is otherwise compatible with the radio's circuitry, then you would indeed gain better treble response, at the slight expense of selectivity. There is also the trick of putting a small capacitor (5 or 10 pF?) across the ceramic filter's pins, which widens the bandwidth somewhat, but again at the expense of some selectivity. I believe Chris Cuff has used this trick with some of the newer fixed-bandwidth Chrysler radios with fairly good results. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Aug 12 23:21:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77144 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 06:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 06:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 06:21:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2003 06:21:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:21:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT Equalization Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 500 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > I want to hook a magnetic phono cartridge (Stanton 500) directly to the > inputs of my sound card to record LPs into Cool Edit Pro. What is the proper > equalization setting for reproduction of the RIAA EQ? What is the proper EQ > for 78 RPM records? > > Kevin You will need a phono preamp if you do not run it through a receiver. The preamp does the RIAA eq but I don't know what kind eq that 78 records use. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Aug 12 23:27:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96862 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 06:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 06:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 06:27:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2003 06:27:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:27:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chrsyler Radio Mods? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030813043327.44847.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 866 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Alfredo, Kevins, all techies: > In the never ending quest to improve AM radio (AM stereo) - have any of you > been messing around with the Chrysler radios? The 1995 vintage Chrysler > Infinity radios are AMAX, but the 1999-2003 radios (RAZ) that have AM stereo do > NOT have as wide of a bandwidth as the older models. My question is, will just > replacing the ceramic filter make a large improvement? > The older AMAX Chryslers used a blue 5-pin filter with either of the following > letters: 50EX4 or SFH450F3. Does anybody have specs on either of those? > The muRata filters that have the SF prefix are the Gaussian Flat Delay types and the letter after the 450 designates the bandwidth B =B115KHz C =B112.5KHz D =B110KHz E =B17.5KHz F =B16KHz G =B14.5KHz H =B13KHz JSG From rwagoner1@mac.com Tue Aug 12 23:34:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91424 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 06:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 06:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 06:34:49 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030813063447.GEQY20780.fed1mtao01.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:34:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:34:47 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Equalization Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3BEDD7B8-CD58-11D7-AEB2-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner The local electronics parts store had the same preamp (another brand but the same unit) for $20. Look around. On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 10:45 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > Here's one site with more info on phono pre-amps, offering a simple > but good-quality one for US$44.95: > > http://www.turntablebelts.com/preamp.htm > From bjackson@indyradio.com Wed Aug 13 06:29:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74629 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 13:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 13:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 13:29:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2003 13:29:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:29:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fun E-bay Find Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 213 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.142.57 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 Looks like there's a nice tuner for Australian AMS fans: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3040718916&category=3282 Pioneer...But runs on 240 volts. - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From oscar@globility.com Wed Aug 13 08:57:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93201 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 15:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 15:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.139) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 15:57:03 -0000 Received: from MTS-HAL-II (ppp-RAS3-3-15.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.246.15]) by smtp2.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC511398E for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200308131157030296.00BF1D4B@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:57:03 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Equalization Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I dunno J., if a 78 sound OK using a straight pin as a stylus, I figure the= only equalization it needs is that all four corners are level. ;-)) Seriously Kevin, if you want to reduce the stylus noise on all your transfe= rs, use something like the LAST Factory Stylus treatment. Works realy well. If the 78 is really bad, wet the surface really well with= tepid water. MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 13/08/2003 at 6:21 AM jsgilst wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: >> I want to hook a magnetic phono cartridge (Stanton 500) directly to >the >> inputs of my sound card to record LPs into Cool Edit Pro. What is >the proper >> equalization setting for reproduction of the RIAA EQ? What is the >proper EQ >> for 78 RPM records? >>=20 >> Kevin > >You will need a phono preamp if you do not run it through >a receiver. The preamp does the RIAA eq but I don't know what >kind eq that 78 records use. > >JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 09:31:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14585 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 16:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 16:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 16:31:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2003 16:31:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:31:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Equalization Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200308131157030296.00BF1D4B@mail.globility.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 649 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I dunno J., if a 78 sound OK using a straight pin as a stylus, I > figure the only equalization it needs is that all four corners are > level. 78 RPM records do need a special stylus to play properly. I believe it has a 3 mil tip which is quite a bit wider than the typical stereo LP stylus which is something like 0.5 mil. Mono 45 RPM singles can also benefit from a special stylus -- if they sound excessively scratchy and distorted, switching to a 1 mil stylus will help improve playback quality and bring you more in line with the type of stylus used on classic portable "suitcase" phonographs that most 45s were played on when new. From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Aug 13 09:35:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46327 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 16:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 16:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 16:35:08 -0000 Received: from localhost (d71-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.103]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h7DGZ6D39245 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:35:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:34:28 -0700 Subject: Chrysler filters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1060766041.1361.3484.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: <02378576-CDAC-11D7-9B7B-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla John, If its not too tough to get at, I would clip the filter out leaving one lead connected and solder in the other filter with the original still in. If it widens, then you are in and can clip out the original filter. Sometimes you can add a cap and it will widen up but you would have to look at the schematic to find out if you can do this. Kevin On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 02:14 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > In the never ending quest to improve AM radio (AM stereo) - have any of > you > been messing around with the Chrysler radios? The 1995 vintage Chrysler > Infinity radios are AMAX, but the 1999-2003 radios (RAZ) that have AM > stereo do > NOT have as wide of a bandwidth as the older models. My question is, > will just > replacing the ceramic filter make a large improvement? From oscar@globility.com Wed Aug 13 12:09:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88973 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 19:09:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 19:09:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.139) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 19:09:03 -0000 Received: from MTS-HAL-II (ppp-RAS3-3-15.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.246.15]) by smtp2.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E1213760 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200308131509030546.016EE645@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:09:03 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Equalization Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I don't know that stylus design was quite that precise back in the 40' and = 50's. And you haven't seen the straight pins we used to replace the "needle= " as it was called then. And yes, when the flip-over crystal cartridge beca= me the norm, there was quite a marked difference between the 78 and the 33/= 45 stylus showing the 78 to require a much beefier stylus. In terms of engi= neering, and with the advent of "Microgroove" recordings, as many LP's were= referred to, the stylii became considerably more 'groove conscious" and th= e tracking weight was was considerably less ... all factors now taken for g= ranted, but new science back then. It's hard to fathom just how far this world has moved ahead in terms of sci= entific understanding in just 50 years.=20 MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 13/08/2003 at 4:31 PM Kevin T. wrote: >> I dunno J., if a 78 sound OK using a straight pin as a stylus, I >> figure the only equalization it needs is that all four corners are >> level. > >78 RPM records do need a special stylus to play properly. I believe=20 >it has a 3 mil tip which is quite a bit wider than the typical stereo=20 >LP stylus which is something like 0.5 mil. > >Mono 45 RPM singles can also benefit from a special stylus -- if they=20 >sound excessively scratchy and distorted, switching to a 1 mil stylus=20 >will help improve playback quality and bring you more in line with=20 >the type of stylus used on classic portable "suitcase" phonographs=20 >that most 45s were played on when new. > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Aug 13 13:30:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30020 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 20:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 20:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 20:30:30 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.154]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:30:04 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01c361d9$bbfb1e20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20030813045150.88276.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Equalization Question Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:30:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Anyone that has not heard good 78's first hand should give 'em a try- The Dot label was known for ultra high fidelity, as was ABC Paramount and MGM. 78's were produced through 1958 to serve the Jukebox industry, and some of the late 50's rock and roll is outstanding on 78's. Don't confuse todays repro Jukebox 78's . tho' , as they are pressed with microgrooves. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Aug 13 15:05:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95757 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 22:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 22:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 22:05:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2003 22:05:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:05:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Equalization Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200308131157030296.00BF1D4B@mail.globility.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1908 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >If the 78 is really bad, wet the surface really well with tepid water. Never thought I'd have the temerity to disagree with Mr. MS, but it must be done in this case. DON'T PLAY WET 78's!! The shellac compound is porous and becomes more brittle when wet. Also, many 78's (including nearly all Columbia's) have layers of paper pressed inside, which don't take kindly to getting wet either, as you can imagine. The best thing to do is just wipe it off with a dry record cleaning brush. If you absolutely must clean your 78 and can't afford the expensive fluids made for the job, a lightly damp cloth is your best bet, but dry that puppy off immediately and do not play it until it's dried for at least 24 hours. The earlier posts about needles were correct. While groove size did vary a bit, a modern microgroove needle is just too narrow for the majority of 78s--you'll damage the record unless you have a needle specifically designed for the wider grooves. (And it'll sound horrible.) As for EQ, funny you should ask. Just yesterday I ordered a $300 gadget called the Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer, a little box that undoes the RIAA EQ from the output of the preamp, then inserts whatever EQ is required to properly play the 78. I'm told that four pages of the owners manual are devoted to which EQ settings to use with which labels from which periods of time. To say the settings varied is an understatement. In general, though, 78s on RIAA will come out with too much bass, not enough treble, and often a big bump in the low midrange. Acoustical 78's (pre-1925) are the most affected by the RIAA curve--they should have no EQ at all. Discs on the Edison and Pathe labels are special cases, requiring special needles and audio processing that are more complicated than the usual. Don't even attempt to play them, at all, until you've done some research. narkspud From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 17:07:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79281 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 00:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 00:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 00:07:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2003 00:07:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:07:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Revised IBOC codec stays proprietary Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1535 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com... and in other news, the debut of IBOC-equipped receivers by Kenwood has been pushed back to the Fall, with the "big splash" for IBOC receivers now slated to be at CES in January 2004 -- now about 11 YEARS after when we were first told IBOC receivers would be available! (And yet another abbreviation hijacked... didn't HDC use to stand for "Hard Drive Controller"?) Coding Technologies, Ibiquity Jointly Developed 'HDC' Several broadcast engineers are getting a demo of Ibiquity's new codec at NPR today. The codec, called "HDC" is unique to Ibiquity, according to company President/CEO Robert Struble. He and other industry sources say the codec is not aacPlus, and it's not PAC, but is proprietary to Ibiquity, as it uses much of the company's patented technology. HDC has been customized for AM and FM broadcasters and to work with the Ibiquity system. Coding Technologies VP/U.S. GM David Frerichs said the spectral band replication technology [a.k.a. "fake treble" -KT] used in the codec helps Ibiquity "hit the bit rate efficiencies they were looking for." He said the new codec has a bit rate resiliency that makes it suited for AM and FM broadcasting. Members of the NRSC standards-setting body were not happy with the performance of Ibiquity's previous codec, PAC, on AM at low bit rates. There was no issue with FM, but the new codec will be used for both AM and FM, Ibiquity said. Coding Technologies has been working on the codec for 6 to 7 months, Freichs said. From oscar@globility.com Wed Aug 13 17:33:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30109 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 00:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 00:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.139) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 00:33:55 -0000 Received: from MTS-HAL-II (ppp-RAS3-4-170.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.247.170]) by smtp2.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25381373C for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200308132033550359.000BA041@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: <004c01c361d9$bbfb1e20$0101a8c0@pavilion> References: <20030813045150.88276.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> <004c01c361d9$bbfb1e20$0101a8c0@pavilion> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:33:55 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Equalization Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Also RCA's "BlueBird", "RedSeal" and "His Master's Voice (HMV)" were premiu= m grade 78rpm labels. If you see them in garage sales take a look at the co= ndition. If its good, there could be some real treasures there. Pieces on 1= 2"-78's like Bunny Berrigan's "I Can't get Started" were collector's items= then even. Sad thing is that 78's were so breakable that there are many em= pty or only partially filled albums out there. Those were the days when rad= io brought music and news, drama and public affairs. You always had somethi= ng to listen to. MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 13/08/2003 at 4:30 PM Chris Cuff wrote: >Anyone that has not heard good 78's first hand should give 'em a try- The >Dot label was known for ultra high fidelity, as was ABC Paramount and MGM. >78's were produced through 1958 to serve the Jukebox industry, and some of >the late 50's rock and roll is outstanding on 78's. >Don't confuse todays repro Jukebox 78's . tho' , as they are pressed with >microgrooves. >Chris >----- Original Message ----- > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dav259@csiro.au Wed Aug 13 17:40:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52971 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 00:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 00:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 00:40:51 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7E0eoY13363 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:40:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:40:50 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Revised IBOC codec stays proprietary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > From www.radioworld.com... and in other news, the debut of > IBOC-equipped receivers by Kenwood has been pushed back to the Fall, > with the "big splash" for IBOC receivers now slated to be at CES in > January 2004 -- now about 11 YEARS after when we were first told IBOC Is there any word when Symphony receivers will be available ... and will they have AMS? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 06:44:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75358 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 13:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 13:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 13:44:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20030814134433.60780.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:44:33 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Symphony may not be AMS-friendly after all To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Ian wrote: "Is there any word when Symphony receivers will be available ... and will they have AMS?" The original documentation said that AM stereo was available by request by the purchasing vendor - but sorry to say, the latest documents plainly say FM STEREO, and do not mention any AM Stereo at all - very disappointing to say the least. Anyone else have a different take after reviewing their website? MS, or anybody else had any luck in getting a sample chipset yet? -JohnnyElectron __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Aug 14 12:16:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89053 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 19:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 19:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 19:16:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2003 19:16:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:16:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Equalization Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200308132033550359.000BA041@mail.globility.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 709 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >> Pieces on 12"-78's like Bunny Berrigan's "I Can't get Started" were collector's items then even.<< Speaking of . . . That track originally appeared in 1937, in a 12" 4-disc album in which Victor gave four of their top jazz acts the opportunity to record 12" sides. The other three discs-- Fats Waller's "Honeysuckle Rose," Benny Goodman's "Sing Sing Sing," and a Tommy Dorsey record that no one, including me, remembers. 4 discs, three of which turned out to be legendary. Victor shoulda tried this more often. The highest-fidelity 78's for several years were the London FFRR records, the first ever to reproduce the full frequency range of human hearing, an engineering marvel at the time. From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Aug 14 12:45:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20336 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 19:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 19:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 19:45:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2003 19:45:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:45:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Equalization Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200308131509030546.016EE645@mail.globility.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M.S." wrote: > I don't know that stylus design was quite that precise back in the > 40' and 50's. And you haven't seen the straight pins we used to > replace the "needle" as it was called then. And yes, when the flip- > over crystal cartridge became the norm, there was quite a marked > difference between the 78 and the 33/45 stylus showing the 78 to > require a much beefier stylus. In terms of engineering, and with the > advent of "Microgroove" recordings, as many LP's were referred to, > the stylii became considerably more 'groove conscious" and the > tracking weight was was considerably less ... all factors now taken > for granted, but new science back then. What exactly is the basis for these claims about stylus design "back in the 40' and 50's"? Just because "elliptical", and "line contact" styli didn't become popular until the 60s and 70s doesn't necessarily imply that things were as crude in the 40s and 50s as you seem to believe. There probably wasn't really a pressing need for "elliptical", and "line contact" styli prior to the advent of the commercial stereo disk, so you can hardly fault the ancients for their reliance on the traditional "conical" stylus. > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 13/08/2003 at 4:31 PM Kevin T. wrote: > > >78 RPM records do need a special stylus to play properly. I > >believe it has a 3 mil tip which is quite a bit wider than the > >typical stereo LP stylus which is something like 0.5 mil. > > > >Mono 45 RPM singles can also benefit from a special stylus -- if > >they sound excessively scratchy and distorted, switching to a 1 mil > >stylus will help improve playback quality and bring you more in > >line with the type of stylus used on classic portable "suitcase" > >phonographs that most 45s were played on when new. What was the size of the stylus that you are thinking of as typical of the "classic portable suitcase phonographs that most 45s were played on when new", 1 mil, or 2 mil? Most 1950s phonos, the days before the stereo LP, used a 1 mil stylus for microgroove records, and a 3 mil stylus for 78s. The rock bottom price portable suitcase phonographs used a single 2 mil stylus as a compromise for playing both microgroove and 78 records. The standard stylus when stereo came out was the 0.7 mil conical stylus, and a few upscale cartridges used a 0.5 mil conical stylus for stereo LPs before the "elliptical" stylus took over. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Aug 14 12:50:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45940 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 19:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 19:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 19:50:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2003 19:50:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:50:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Equalization Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1105 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > As for EQ, funny you should ask. Just yesterday I ordered a $300 > gadget called the Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer, a little box that > undoes the RIAA EQ from the output of the preamp, then inserts > whatever EQ is required to properly play the 78. Does the "Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer" really do it that way? Actually undoing the RIAA equalization, then applying the desired equalization sounds like a sub optimal solution to me, from both a performance, and cost perspective. Several years ago I designed an "equalizer" like that for playing 78s, and all I did was use equalization networks that were the difference between the RIAA curve, and the desired 78 curve. This seems to me to be a much simpler and more straight forward solution, although it may require a slightly greater understanding of the equalization networks involved, than does the simple minded approach of first undoing the RIAA curve, and then applying the desired 78 curve, which can be more easily cribbed directly from books. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Aug 14 12:56:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39058 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 19:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 19:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 19:56:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2003 19:56:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:56:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Symphony may not be AMS-friendly after all Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030814134433.60780.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 986 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Ian wrote: "Is there any word when Symphony receivers will be > available ... and will they have AMS?" > > The original documentation said that AM stereo was available by > request by the purchasing vendor - but sorry to say, the latest > documents plainly say FM STEREO, and do not mention any AM Stereo > at all - very disappointing to say the least. Anyone else have a > different take after reviewing their website? My take is that there is nothing apparent to keep you from doing your own DSP software to implement a C-Quam decoder, it sounds like an interesting project. Is there a reason to suspect that the DSP in the chip set doesn't have enough horse power to do this, or is there some other problem to prevent it? > MS, or anybody else had any luck in getting a sample chipset yet? Haven't tried, but it might be interesting to get one and try my hand at some C-Quam DSP code. John From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Aug 14 13:24:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 473 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 20:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 20:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 20:24:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2003 20:24:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:24:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Equalization Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > Does the "Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer" really do it that way? I'm not an audio engineer, so maybe what you described is closer to the actual operational methodology. Check this link: http://www.esotericsound.com/rvw6_req.htm From rwagoner1@mac.com Thu Aug 14 13:55:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82680 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 20:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 20:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 20:55:49 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030814205546.DFNJ18087.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:55:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:55:47 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Equalization Question Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Another trick: Find a used Harmon Kardon Citation I preamp/control center. It has EQ for flat, RIAA, 78, UK (London) and a maybe even a few more. I am sure other top-line stereos of the "transition era" did much the same thing. On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 12:50 PM, bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" > wrote: >> >> As for EQ, funny you should ask. Just yesterday I ordered a $300 >> gadget called the Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer, a little box that >> undoes the RIAA EQ from the output of the preamp, then inserts >> whatever EQ is required to properly play the 78. > > Does the "Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer" really do it that way? > Actually undoing the RIAA equalization, then applying the desired > equalization sounds like a sub optimal solution to me, from both a > performance, and cost perspective. > > Several years ago I designed an "equalizer" like that for playing 78s, > and all I did was use equalization networks that were the difference > between the RIAA curve, and the desired 78 curve. This seems to me to > be a much simpler and more straight forward solution, although it may > require a slightly greater understanding of the equalization networks > involved, than does the simple minded approach of first undoing the > RIAA curve, and then applying the desired 78 curve, which can be more > easily cribbed directly from books. > > John > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 14:51:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63862 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 21:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 21:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 21:51:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2003 21:51:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:51:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DSP-based AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 989 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.151.158 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is there a reason to suspect that the DSP in the chip set doesn't > have enough horse power to do this, or is there some other problem > to prevent it? Motorola released the DSP code (in C++ language, I believe) to decode C-Quam AM Stereo quite a while ago, and several experimenters have already successfully implemented it. Also, DSP-based AM Stereo reception is already a reality. The popular Visteon CD-6 car radio is DSP-based, featuring variable-bandwidth AM Stereo that appears to be AMAX compliant. Visteon has also built prototypes of an enhanced CD-6 model which adds IBOC/"HD Radio" reception, *without* otherwise affecting its AM Stereo capability. In fact, 710 WOR has one of these Visteon AM Stereo/FM Stereo/IBOC radios in use as a test receiver for their IBOC signal. And as WOR's engineer noted, this seems to indicate the possibility of stations broadcasting IBOC during the daytime and C-Quam AM Stereo at night, with receivers supporting both formats. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Aug 14 17:00:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23021 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 00:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 00:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 00:00:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:00:30 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:00:30 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereo@bellsouth.net Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: getting late breaking news Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:00:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2003 00:00:30.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DFFC100:01C362C0] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 It is interesting to note that with the massive power failure in the U.S. and Canada, that people caught up in this were turning on their battery operated radios to get the latest news. Yes, their radios, not their portable MP3 players, not their portable c.d. players, not their lap tops etc, but the RADIO, we all know and love. I know the BBC, seems to think radio is too old fashioned and that everyone can always listen on their computer, hence they've (the BBC) have curtailed most of their shortwave broadcasts. This power grid problem should also bring home the point that the U.S. and Canada share inter-dependence, and that neither county should be going their own way without at least consulting with the other. There is a long history of radio listeners along the Canadian/U.S. border listening to the same radio stations (i.e. CKLW) and now thanks to the arrogance of the FCC and Ibiquity it may well very come to pass, that those people living in Buffalo, Niagara Falls, International Falls, Detroit, Windsor etc may have to have two radios to listen to all the stations they can now listen to now on one radio. The U.S. and Canada share a long common heritage and the arrogant michael powell and his cronies at the FCC should certainly have to account as to why the U.S. and Canada may not be on the same wave-length much longer. donn st petersburg _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 17:45:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39386 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 00:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 00:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 00:45:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 00:45:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:45:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: getting late breaking news Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1910 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.151.158 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It is interesting to note that with the massive power failure in > the U.S. and Canada, that people caught up in this were turning on > their battery operated radios to get the latest news. Yes, and it also presents a good DXing opportunity because of all the stations that are off the air. In NYC, about 1/3 of all the AM stations went off the air in the late afternoon when the outage first hit, but now I believe they're all back on except 1560 WQEW. Here in NJ, in place of WQEW's Radio Disney, I am hearing some station playing Country music... anybody know who that is? This also brings to mind the issue of using IBOC during times of emergency. I think in any officially declared state of emergency, any radio stations in the affected areas should be forbidden from broadcasting an IBOC signal. The reasoning behind that would be that for those listeners whose local radio stations may be off the air due to a power outage, they would need to tune in more distant signals to get important news and information -- and any interference caused by IBOC signals would be a large detriment to that DX reception -- and that applies to both the AM and FM bands. In this case, however, I noticed that 710 WOR was not only continuing to broadcast an IBOC signal this afternoon, they kept it on for about 25 minutes after sunset -- likely causing interference to the Canadians who were trying to tune in the Quebec stations on 690 and 730 kHz, or to U.S. listeners who were trying to tune in 700 WLW or 720 WGN in areas that were left in the dark. The power hasn't been interrupted here in central NJ, although I did notice that the lights dimmed slightly about an hour ago and have stayed dimmer than normal, so perhaps they've cut the voltage down slightly in anticipation of using parts of NJ's power grid to help restore power to the affected areas of northern NJ, NY, and CT. From dav259@csiro.au Thu Aug 14 18:11:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53685 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 01:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 01:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 01:11:34 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7F1BXY15074 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:11:33 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:11:33 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Symphony may not be AMS-friendly after all In-Reply-To: <20030814134433.60780.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Johnny Electron wrote: > The original documentation said that AM stereo was available by request > by the purchasing vendor - but sorry to say, the latest documents > plainly say FM STEREO, and do not mention any AM Stereo at all - very > disappointing to say the least. It would seem to me that every time any of us publicly damns IBOC for not delivering what it promised we should promote the Symphony system as the likely solution both for AM and FM stations - and it wouldn't cost them a penny. Has the NAB ever said ANYTHING about Symphony? When will they open both ears? On this forum we are only preaching to the converted. We should all try and promote Symphony on newsgroups and other forums. It appears lots of people seem unaware of the Symphony system just as many are still unaware of AM stereo. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 18:14:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85287 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 01:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 01:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 01:14:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20030815011430.91312.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.90] by web41207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:14:30 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Symphony may not be AMS-friendly after all To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus What is Symphony? Is it a system or a radio? apart from an orchestra Michael --- Ian Davidson wrote: > It appears lots of people seem unaware of the > Symphony system just as many > are still unaware of AM stereo. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 18:29:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3756 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 01:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 01:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 01:29:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 01:29:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:29:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Symphony may not be AMS-friendly after all Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030815011430.91312.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 922 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.151.158 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What is Symphony? Is it a system or a radio? apart from an > orchestra Symphony is the name of an AM/FM receiver design by Motorola that uses Digital Signal Processing (DSP) to perform the radio's functions, instead of traditional analog components. Such a design can provide many of the benefits of digital technology, while not needing any change to the way that existing radio stations broadcast their signals, nor causing any existing radios to become obsolete. For more information on Motorola Symphony, use the link that is near the top of the AM Stereo Forum's main page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ And as Motorola continues to claim on their web site for Symphony, "Because the Motorola Symphony Digital Radio chip set is software based, we are able to add features (like C-QUAM AM Stereo) to the radio. The decision to include it in the radio is up to the radio manufacturer." From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 18:30:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75077 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 01:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 01:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 01:30:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 01:30:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:30:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Symphony may not be AMS-friendly after all Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 324 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Just as a side note: Symphony is NOT the only DSP-based system out there, and there are quite a few non-Symphony DSP-based radios/receivers out there, some doing AM stereo, and some can be easily modified for AM stereo. Myself, I'll wait for Omega, which seems more promising to me- And it isn't DSP. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 18:32:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72950 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 01:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 01:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 01:32:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 01:32:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:32:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Symphony may not be AMS-friendly after all Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030815011430.91312.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 267 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > What is Symphony? Is it a system or a radio? apart > from an orchestra It's Motorola's DSP-based radio reception system- A link to it is on this group's main page. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 18:53:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43667 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 01:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 01:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 01:53:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20030815015340.34657.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.90] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:53:40 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Symphony may not be AMS-friendly after all To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Ok thanks. Michael --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > What is Symphony? Is it a system or a radio? apart > from an > > orchestra > > Symphony is the name of an AM/FM receiver design by > Motorola that > uses Digital Signal Processing (DSP) to perform the > radio's > functions, instead of traditional analog components. > Such a design > can provide many of the benefits of digital > technology, while not > needing any change to the way that existing radio > stations broadcast > their signals, nor causing any existing radios to > become obsolete. > > For more information on Motorola Symphony, use the > link that is near > the top of the AM Stereo Forum's main page: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ > > And as Motorola continues to claim on their web site > for Symphony, > "Because the Motorola Symphony Digital Radio chip > set is software > based, we are able to add features (like C-QUAM AM > Stereo) to the > radio. The decision to include it in the radio is > up to the radio > manufacturer." > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Aug 14 19:52:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64629 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 02:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 02:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.95) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 02:52:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:52:32 -0700 Received: from 172.150.238.32 by bay7-dav38.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 02:52:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20030813045150.88276.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> <004c01c361d9$bbfb1e20$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Equalization Question Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:15:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2003 02:52:32.0760 (UTC) FILETIME=[46408F80:01C362D8] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.150.238.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Chris Cuff wrote: > Anyone that has not heard good 78's first hand should give 'em a try- The Dot label was known for ultra high fidelity, as was ABC Paramount and MGM. Don't forget about Atlantic. They had the reputation for being the best sounding record label for years. MGM's quality varied greatly in the 50s from Hi-Fi to the squawkey sounding recordings by Country artists such as Bob Wills. I read that one of the main reasons Bob Wills moved from MGM to Decca was sound quality. > >78's were produced through 1958 to serve the Jukebox industry, and some of the late 50's rock and roll is outstanding on 78's. Yes, the magnetic tape mastered 78s from the 50's sound every bit as good as the 45s from the period. Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 20:54:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6049 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 03:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 03:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 03:53:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20030815035358.20433.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:53:58 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Power's Back On- where's CC's Generators? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Our power here is finally back one, and the net has finally returned. "The" Power Outage hit us as far West as the Ohio/Indiana line, up into Michigan. As far as radio - EVERY SINGLE STATION in NW Ohio was OFF THE AIR! What ever happened to the AM stations having emergency generators? Clear Channel has ruined radio again, as by 'consolidating' all of their studios into one building, they lost ALL of their studios in one building, regardless if their multiple transmitter sites has power restored or not. What if the Emergency Alert System had to be activated - nothing?! Remember when you had several studio sites - and, imagine this, some of them were actually AT the transmitter with a generator too! WOW! The lone voices on the AM and FM dials only WJR-AM - (remained in AM stereo) and CKLW-AM (formerly a Harris AM stereo station) both have remained on the air. NOT ONE SINGLE 1KW or 5KW local had a generator, nor did the Clear Channel or Cumulus studios, BUT the two 50KW stations could? Radio used to be THE PLACE for emergency information. Power has been restored to almost NONE of Michigan, but about 1/2 of Ohio is back on. Most auto plants are closed on Friday. All cellphones went to cr*p, even landline phones were overloaded and not working. Spooky day. Hope the rest of you guys get your power back soon! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From rwagoner1@mac.com Thu Aug 14 20:58:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87986 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 03:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 03:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 03:58:17 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030815035815.HPFG2474.fed1mtao02.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:58:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:58:15 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Symphony may not be AMS-friendly after all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030815011430.91312.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner It's a candy bar. On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 06:14 PM, Michael and Ross wrote: > What is Symphony? Is it a system or a radio? apart > from an orchestra > Michael From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 21:59:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42220 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 04:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 04:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 04:59:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 04:59:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 04:59:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Symphony may not be AMS-friendly after all Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 552 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.151.158 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It's a candy bar. No, no, no... "Symphony" is an old DOS program by Lotus... doesn't anyone remember computer applications from the days before Micro$oft Office wrestled its way into dominance and clobbered all the competition? I was a WordStar fanatic myself, even long after the function-key- happy WordPerfect 5.1 became predominant. That program had a style all of its own, and with the earlier versions, the WordStar User's Manual was *created* using WordStar, a fact which they were proud to let you know in the book's introduction! From dav259@csiro.au Thu Aug 14 22:04:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15038 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 05:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 05:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 05:04:15 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7F54EY25073 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:04:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:04:14 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Symphony may not be AMS-friendly after all In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 > On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 06:14 PM, Michael and Ross wrote: > > > What is Symphony? > > Is it a system or a radio? apart from an orchestra > > Michael On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Richard Wagoner wrote: > It's a candy bar. Richard - I hope you mean like a Mars bar. (as a joke) Otherwise what have you got against it? Seems to me too few people have done too precious little to promote what eventually may make AM stereo sound even better ... From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 22:18:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13920 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 05:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 05:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 05:18:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20030815051821.17394.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.90] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:18:21 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Symphony may not be AMS-friendly after all To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus It must the weather(too hot weatherwise in the northern hemisphere) We just endured a full day of biting cold rain today and a high of 13C(55F) here. Michael --- Ian Davidson wrote: > > > On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 06:14 PM, Michael > and Ross wrote: > > > > > What is Symphony? > > > Is it a system or a radio? apart from an > orchestra > > > Michael > > > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > It's a candy bar. > > > Richard - I hope you mean like a Mars bar. (as a > joke) > > Otherwise what have you got against it? > > Seems to me too few people have done too precious > little to promote what > eventually may make AM stereo sound even better ... > > > > > > > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dav259@csiro.au Thu Aug 14 22:23:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56290 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 05:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 05:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 05:23:31 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7F5NTY25929 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:23:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:23:29 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Symphony may not be AMS-friendly after all In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > > It's a candy bar. > > No, no, no... "Symphony" is an old DOS program by Lotus... doesn't > anyone remember computer applications from the days before Micro$oft > Office wrestled its way into dominance and clobbered all the > competition? Me too 3XY! I used the old Symphony Suite ... and still have some original files ongoing in Excel. My old radio ratings files converted with no probs. > I was a WordStar fanatic myself, even long after the function-key- > happy WordPerfect 5.1 became predominant. That program had a style > all of its own, and with the earlier versions, the WordStar User's > Manual was *created* using WordStar, a fact which they were proud to > let you know in the book's introduction! I still use the "function-key-happy" WordPerfect 6.1 (1994) at work - and love doing most things without grabbing the mouse (sorry Amy!). What a great program this was/is! I've got later versions but unfortunately WP seemed to lose the plot and copy our mate Bill's Word Wonder. If anyone now wants a copy of any of my files I just save them in Bill's latest offering and send it to them - no probs. So it seems there was a Symphony Bar. I hope so. In Oz - the latest sensation is an Earth Bar - "the bar you'd eat on Earth if you lived on Mars". Aint marketing grand! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 23:07:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13853 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 06:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 06:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 06:07:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 06:07:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:07:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Symphony Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 142 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.151.158 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > So it seems there was a Symphony Bar. I hope so. Also, there's a punk rock band in Boston called "AM Stereo"... so anything is possible! From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 23:16:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97494 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 06:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 06:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41214.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 06:16:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20030815061632.98443.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.90] by web41214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:16:32 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Symphony To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Here they used to sell Radio Cassettes with AMS written on them and it meant Automatic Music Search unfortunately. Michael --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > So it seems there was a Symphony Bar. I hope so. > > Also, there's a punk rock band in Boston called "AM > Stereo"... > so anything is possible! > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Aug 14 23:24:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20345 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 06:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 06:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 06:24:43 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-67.skyweb.net [66.6.130.195]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h7F6VqQB059919 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 02:31:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3F3C7C4D.9E5F65A1@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 02:23:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Symphony References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 I have Done sound for the Band they are actually called"AM Radio" not AM stereo They are Presently touring up and Down the East coast. Neal "Kevin T." wrote: > > So it seems there was a Symphony Bar. I hope so. > > Also, there's a punk rock band in Boston called "AM Stereo"... > so anything is possible! > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From rwagoner1@mac.com Fri Aug 15 00:27:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64494 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 07:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 07:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 07:27:34 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030815072730.IZCE18087.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 03:27:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:27:32 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Symphony may not be AMS-friendly after all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Of course I have nothing against it (the system). As I recall the candy bar is/was made by Hershey, but I have no knowledge of what it tasted like ... I never had one. On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 10:04 PM, Ian Davidson wrote: > >> On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 06:14 PM, Michael and Ross wrote: >> >>> What is Symphony? >>> Is it a system or a radio? apart from an orchestra >>> Michael > > > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Richard Wagoner wrote: > >> It's a candy bar. > > > Richard - I hope you mean like a Mars bar. (as a joke) > > Otherwise what have you got against it? > > Seems to me too few people have done too precious little to promote > what > eventually may make AM stereo sound even better ... From rwagoner1@mac.com Fri Aug 15 00:30:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29762 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 07:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 07:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 07:30:26 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030815073022.IZOA18087.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 03:30:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:30:24 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Symphony may not be AMS-friendly after all Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <55B0BADC-CEF2-11D7-B840-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Geez ... am I the only one who is virus-worry-free (using a Mac)? In any event, any non-too-technical info on Symphony is appreciated. People who read my column have asked about it, due to a previous mention. Richard On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 10:23 PM, Ian Davidson wrote: > On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > >> >> No, no, no... "Symphony" is an old DOS program by Lotus... doesn't >> anyone remember computer applications from the days before Micro$oft >> Office wrestled its way into dominance and clobbered all the >> competition? > > Me too 3XY! I used the old Symphony Suite ... and still have some > original files ongoing in Excel. My old radio ratings files converted > with no probs. > >> I was a WordStar fanatic myself, even long after the function-key- >> happy WordPerfect 5.1 became predominant. That program had a style >> all of its own, and with the earlier versions, the WordStar User's >> Manual was *created* using WordStar, a fact which they were proud to >> let you know in the book's introduction! > > I still use the "function-key-happy" WordPerfect 6.1 (1994) at work - > and > love doing most things without grabbing the mouse (sorry Amy!). What a > great program this was/is! I've got later versions but unfortunately > WP > seemed to lose the plot and copy our mate Bill's Word Wonder. > > If anyone now wants a copy of any of my files I just save them in > Bill's > latest offering and send it to them - no probs. > > So it seems there was a Symphony Bar. I hope so. > > In Oz - the latest sensation is an Earth Bar - "the bar you'd eat on > Earth > if you lived on Mars". Aint marketing grand! > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 09:41:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72111 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 16:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 16:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12807.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 16:41:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20030815164104.5031.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.200.203.66] by web12807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:41:04 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kahn Cam-D news To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com.... Kahn Coy on Cam-D Details Leonard Kahn says 10 broadcasters have agreed to test his Compatible AM Digital technology, and he expects those stations to begin field tests by the end of the year. Kahn says his Cam-D technology will restore AM to 15 kHz Stereo fidelity by using digital processing. Kahn declined to identify which stations had paid for his system and how much money that entailed. He said, "The receive end of this has a very big potential if it's done right. AM radio going digital and doing the tricks (the system) is capable of, can make the receiver shoot right up. That's where the money is and where our patents will go." Kahn said he would make a small amount of receivers available to his test stations as pre-production models. Industry engineers and other observers have called for details concerning the technical specifications of the system, which Kahn claims will "provide improved fading performance over vast distances at night" and "will not increase adjacent or co-channel interference." But he declined to give details. However, he said he knows he needs to do that soon. "After bragging, it's time for people to put up or shut up. ... We're not playing around and not weasel wording." Asked whether he would discuss details of his system at the NAB Radio Show, Kahn said he wasn't sure. An NAB official said in July that Kahn was not slated for a presentation. Ralph Carlson, president of Carlson Communications in Salt Lake City, plans to test Cam-D and hopes the necessary equipment would be installed in the fall. Using Kahn's PowerSide AM Stereo exciter, Carlson said he has increased his station's nighttime power level by a factor of three. "Previously, we couldn't get 20 miles south. Now, we can be heard 40 miles," said Carlson. Kahn has said his Cam-D system would perform using a station's existing transmitter and antenna. -- Leslie Stimson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From brian60420@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 11:31:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95278 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 18:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 18:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80602.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 18:31:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20030815183141.56548.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.10.65.132] by web80602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:31:41 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DSP-based AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Robbins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you like to browse factory installed car radios with AM Stereo, go to: http://www.radiosandmore.com/ GM, Ford and Chrysler have there latest models listed here. If you know what to look for........ brian "Kevin T." wrote: > Is there a reason to suspect that the DSP in the chip set doesn't > have enough horse power to do this, or is there some other problem > to prevent it? Motorola released the DSP code (in C++ language, I believe) to decode C-Quam AM Stereo quite a while ago, and several experimenters have already successfully implemented it. Also, DSP-based AM Stereo reception is already a reality. The popular Visteon CD-6 car radio is DSP-based, featuring variable-bandwidth AM Stereo that appears to be AMAX compliant. Visteon has also built prototypes of an enhanced CD-6 model which adds IBOC/"HD Radio" reception, *without* otherwise affecting its AM Stereo capability. In fact, 710 WOR has one of these Visteon AM Stereo/FM Stereo/IBOC radios in use as a test receiver for their IBOC signal. And as WOR's engineer noted, this seems to indicate the possibility of stations broadcasting IBOC during the daytime and C-Quam AM Stereo at night, with receivers supporting both formats. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oscar@globility.com Fri Aug 15 15:26:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14671 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 22:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 22:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.138) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 22:26:20 -0000 Received: from MTS-HAL-II (ppp-RAS3-2-80.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.245.80]) by smtp1.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC6C15608 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200308151826230156.00B36C7E@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: <20030815035358.20433.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030815035358.20433.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:26:23 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Power's Back On- where's CC's Generators? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I was on the highway enroute to Buffalo. I got off at to visit the li'l boy= 's room and get a cup of Tim Horton's great coffee. What I met was a traffi= c jam due to traffic lights being out. I switched from the NPR station comi= ng from Buffalo that was running an interview to a Toronto station. They ha= d the lowdown on what was happening. No one had a clue what had caused it, = so I turned around and headed home. If something was going to happen, I wan= ted to be with my Mrs. On the way home, I switched between Toronto's CFRB 1= 010 and Infinity's WBEN 930. In fact, Infinity runs the 2 of the major sta= tions in Buffalo. Local talent was on the incident right away. Adding to my concern on the way home was the fact an inordinate amount of s= moke was belching from one of the stacks at the Lakeview Generating Station= on L.Ontario. That could have meant a bomb. But it later turned out to be = part of a powering down process. Apparrently, when a generating station is = met with no load, it powers down automatically. Flashback to 9/11: Because we live near Toronto's International airport, we= could easily tell then that air traffic was thinning rapidly. We see a pla= ne landing or taking off about every 60 seconds during busy times. However,= following the noon hour with no arrivals or departures for about an hour, = a lone 757 coming in from the east flew low over our house where no plane h= ad ever flown. It was headed in the general direction of Niagara Falls whe= re there are two major hydraulic Electric Generating stations on the Niagar= a river. Thankfully, my suspicions were never borne out. But consider this. For months following 9/11, radio stations, (especially the NPR network, Eri= c), continued to discuss the many vulnerabilities the US still possessed.= They talked about unmonitored dams, generating stations and reservoirs. Th= ey gave locations, who was responsible .... I could not believe my ears. Ta= lk about "Loose lips sink ships." Thank God nothing ever came of this. But,= driving back to Toronto, the Niagara Falls scenario played heavily on my m= ind. That is until I heard that, ironically, of all places in Ontario and N= ew York that had gone dark, the lights of Niagara Falls hardly even flicker= ed, let alone go off. Needless to say it would not take a lot of planning to begin a harassment c= ampaign with all that information. Makes you think that, if those who would= perpetrate such a crime of mass murder as they were successful in doing on= 9/11 should still be doing it. But they haven't been successful yet, thank= s to the forces we have that are continually working against that possibili= ty. I continue to wear my Canadian-manufactured memorial ribbon button for = that very reason. "Lest we Forget" is something we should all take care nev= er dies. Regardless of how the media likes to paint us Canada and its citiz= ens, we damn well *do care* about our neighbors. MS On 14/08/2003 at 8:53 PM John P. wrote: >Our power here is finally back one, and the net has finally returned. > >"The" Power Outage hit us as far West as the Ohio/Indiana line, up into >Michigan. As far as radio - EVERY SINGLE STATION in NW Ohio was OFF THE >AIR!=20 >What ever happened to the AM stations having emergency generators? Clear >Channel has ruined radio again, as by 'consolidating' all of their studios >into >one building, they lost ALL of their studios in one building, regardless i= f >their multiple transmitter sites has power restored or not. What if the >Emergency Alert System had to be activated - nothing?! Remember when you >had >several studio sites - and, imagine this, some of them were actually AT th= e >transmitter with a generator too! WOW! >The lone voices on the AM and FM dials only WJR-AM - (remained in AM >stereo) >and CKLW-AM (formerly a Harris AM stereo station) both have remained on th= e >air. NOT ONE SINGLE 1KW or 5KW local had a generator, nor did the Clear >Channel or Cumulus studios, BUT the two 50KW stations could? Radio used >to be >THE PLACE for emergency information. >Power has been restored to almost NONE of Michigan, but about 1/2 of Ohio >is >back on. Most auto plants are closed on Friday. All cellphones went to >cr*p, >even landline phones were overloaded and not working. Spooky day. Hope >the >rest of you guys get your power back soon! >=20=20=20 > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Aug 15 16:21:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99422 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 23:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 23:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 23:21:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 23:21:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:21:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT - power outage bandscan Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1968 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.166.158.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Last night, blessed with electricity and good weather [after weeks of "monsoon" rain and jungle type humidity] I was checking the New York City stations on my R-1000 and ICF SW-77. WINS was great to listen to, with good coverage, even though the source of the outage was supposed to be "Canada". Most of the big 50kwers were all there, although with unusually poor signal strength - yet stations from other areas were nioce and strong, so I didn't blame it on recption conditions. I couldn't check on WOR, because I can't pick them up with CHTN's transmitter site 3 or so miles from me, over salt water. Interestingly though, 1560 Radio Disney was silent - apparently Mickey, Goofy and crew don't have emergency power. I was pleased to see WTTM pumping out its usual amazingly good 1 kw nighttime signal - another indiciator of a decent reception night. My theory is that some of the big 50 kwers either were running at reduced power, or with altered 'emergency' patterns. During the ice storm of January 2000 CFRA ran its full 50kw at night, and 50kw at night on 580 in the winter is a force to be reckoned with. I just tend to assume that every radio station has emergency power - but that's not true. Certainly, the big boys should have it. I can remember that in the early 70s CJFX bought diesal generators for its transmitter and studio sites. They were run once a week to keep them limbered up and ready for action. The generator originally purchased for the old 10kw 'blows tube glass all over the floor when you exceed 85% modulation" RCA transmitter had plenty of juice for the 1991 to 2003 25kw Nautel. Competitor CIGO didn't get emergency power though until its flip to FM in 2000 or 2001. Certainly, every major station should have them - here in Canada they would be treated very favourably income tax wise, so as long as you are making money, you can in effect write them off over a period of a few years. Phil R. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Aug 15 19:52:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49553 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 02:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 02:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 02:52:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2003 02:52:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 02:52:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT - NYC v. Toronto signals Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 993 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.166.158.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Tonight CFRB 1010 and CHUM 1050 are coming in here really well - they never do, and they are drowning out WINS 1010 and W??? 1050. The best I've ever done before is get CFRB and CHUM very weakly by deliberately nulling the respective NYC co-channels. Perhaps because of the "emergency" Standard Broadcasting and CHUM Ltd. are allowed to broadcast with a more open, more useful pattern. Since Ottawa was hit too, perhaps one would expect the same and more from CFRA [pattern change and 5X the nighttime power, just like in January 2000], but alas, 580 is just noise, no signal of any kind. 940 in Montreal is coming in with its usual fairly decent signal, as is 690 in Montreal. 740 in Toronto has not made any dent in VOCM's network transmitter on 740. 1560 Radio Disney is back on the air with its usual flawless signal. WTTM 1680, of course, is coming in rather well, a truly amazing 1 kw nightime signal - once again proof that AM Stereo does not hurt coverage. Phil R. From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Aug 15 23:55:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89377 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 06:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 06:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 06:55:21 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.142]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 02:55:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c363c3$4be3d1e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - power outage bandscan Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 02:54:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 In 1965, I was on my way home from school, walking with my transistor radio when it went dead. I was blaming the batteries at first, but as I approched the corner traffic light, it was out. I then scanned the dial, and the ONLY station on was WMCA (a good station for music way back then) but at reduced power. All the other NYC stations had never had to implement their emergency backup power, so it took a while for them to come back. This time, it was WCBS 880 that was the only station I could get for the first hour or so. As night fell, it was a great time to DX- no interference. I was out for 5 hours- lucky compared to the poor NYC folks. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: tubesareking From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Aug 15 23:58:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 946 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 06:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 06:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 06:58:01 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.142]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 02:57:42 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c363c3$ab7bdda0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20030815035358.20433.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> <200308151826230156.00B36C7E@mail.globility.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Power's Back On- where's CC's Generators? Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 02:57:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 mmmm..... Tim Hortons... (Homer Simpson impression kicks in) GREAT place!..... if you ever get to the Maritimes, have a maple cream stuffed donut with maple frosting..... cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr.M.S. To: Kevin Tekel Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 6:26 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Power's Back On- where's CC's Generators? > > I was on the highway enroute to Buffalo. I got off at to visit the li'l boy's room and get a cup of Tim Horton's great coffee. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 01:11:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89834 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 08:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 08:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 08:11:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2003 08:11:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:11:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT - NYC v. Toronto signals Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 348 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "tubesareking" wrote: =snip= > WTTM 1680, of course, is coming in rather well, a truly amazing 1 kw > nightime signal - once again proof that AM Stereo does not hurt > coverage. 1kW from NYC to PEI, in stereo-- Neal oughtta be tickled pink at that reception report. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Aug 16 08:20:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17615 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 15:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 15:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 15:20:58 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.206.207]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030816152058.EQGF22300.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan>; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:20:58 -0400 Message-ID: <029a01c36409$fe1729c0$af78fea9@juan> To: Cc: Subject: Back From Myrtle Beach Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:20:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got in from my annual summer vacation. Had the pleasure to spend a few days in Myrtle Beach and a couple in Charleston, SC. I did a daytime bandscan from Myrtle Beach and will have that to share as soon as I can get it organized. Juan Fort Pierce, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Sat Aug 16 16:11:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8450 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 23:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 23:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 23:11:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2003 23:11:39 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43311 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 15:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 15:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 15:36:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2003 15:36:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:36:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT - power outage bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c363c3$4be3d1e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1289 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Aug 2003 23:11:38 -0000 Chris: Where were you listening? WOR lost approximately 20 seconds of air time which allowed the genny to kick in at the transmitter. I know. I was standing in the transmitter building when the lights went out. We were right back on the air.....and everything at the studio is on UPS, so the signal from Manhattan was right there. Genny kicked in in midtown, and the studios ran 24-1/2 hours on gen set....transmitter ran for 6 on genny. Tom Ray WOR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > In 1965, I was on my way home from school, walking with my transistor radio > when it went dead. I was blaming the batteries at first, but as I approched > the corner traffic light, it was out. I then scanned the dial, and the ONLY > station on was WMCA (a good station for music way back then) but at reduced > power. > All the other NYC stations had never had to implement their emergency backup > power, so it took a while for them to come back. > This time, it was WCBS 880 that was the only station I could get for the > first hour or so. > As night fell, it was a great time to DX- no interference. I was out for 5 > hours- lucky compared to the poor NYC folks. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tubesareking From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 19:36:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38988 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 02:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 02:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 02:36:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2003 02:36:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 02:36:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT - power outage bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 937 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WOR lost approximately 20 seconds of air time which allowed the > genny to kick in at the transmitter. BTW, one of the strangest things I heard was 820 WNYC broadcasting full-blast WHITE NOISE, presumably because their STL was lost. But don't STL receivers have a squelch to prevent that? Or could there have been some other cause for the loud, continuous hiss? (And no, it wasn't IBOC!) Also, any estimate of how many gallons of diesel fuel were consumed by WOR's generators? And no "cheating" by borrowing some to fill up Kerry's Hummer! :-) p.s. I heard of one fellow in northern NJ didn't lose power, but his AC voltage fluctuated between 79 and 147 volts, and was even holding steady at 145 volts for a while. Another person reported that his AC dropped down to a steady 50 volts for about 15 minutes. Yikes -- I'd expect that lack of voltage regulation from Iraq's electrical supply, but not from the USA's! From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 20:13:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63107 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 03:13:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 03:13:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 03:13:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2003 03:13:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 03:13:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT - power outage bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 755 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > p.s. I heard of one fellow in northern NJ didn't lose power, but his > AC voltage fluctuated between 79 and 147 volts, and was even holding > steady at 145 volts for a while. Another person reported that his AC > dropped down to a steady 50 volts for about 15 minutes. Yikes -- I'd > expect that lack of voltage regulation from Iraq's electrical supply, > but not from the USA's! Stable electricity is actually rare in much of the world, with only the US, Canada, UK, western and northern Europe, Israel, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Australia and New Zealand. The rest of the world has unreliable energy- Especially Africa. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 20:56:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6069 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 03:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 03:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 03:56:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20030817035658.79309.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:56:58 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Station on 1560AM on Thursday To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin, or whomever asked about the station on 1560 after NYC-Disney went down - you mentioned that you heard country music, which means that you might have heard Cumulus' 1560-WTOD-Toledo. They were the first on the air after utility power was restored at their common studio/transmitter site. They are a 5KW daytimer (which goes off to protect the NYC 1560 clear), but I believe that they're only running 500 watts becuase it disrupts all of their other FM studios at the AM Xmitter site. BTW, they don't ID as WTOD as they are a simultcast of the #1 "K-100" WKKO 99.9 FM, and you'll only hear the AM call letters for 2 milliseconds for TOH ID a little before the TOH. Might that be it? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 00:15:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18113 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 07:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 07:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 07:15:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2003 07:15:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:15:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT - power outage bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 609 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Stable electricity is actually rare in much of the world, with only > the US, Canada, UK, western and northern Europe, Israel, Japan, Japan's electricity may be stable, but last I heard the country is still split between 100V and 120V power. These days, lots of electronic equipment will work with anywhere from 90 to 250 volts at 50 or 60 Hz, but many household appliances are considerably more voltage- and frequency-specific. p.s. Tesla envisioned -- and spent much of his career trying to create -- wireless transmission of electric power. We shall see whether that comes about any time soon. From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Aug 17 00:33:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33673 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 07:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 07:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 07:33:58 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.34]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 03:33:41 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c36491$db9f6dc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 03:33:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Hi Tom I am approx. 80 miles NW of NYC. WOR has always been weak for me up here. The only 2 stations that will always come in are WFAN and WCBS on a portable radio. The radio I used was a 1959 Emerson- the best distance radio I have, due to it's extra TRF RF stage and monster ferrite. I don't use most digital radios, as the fidelity is very poor on the Sony ICFSWR77 and unusable on the Grundig YB500 due to microprocessor hash. (The car radio is able to get WOR pretty good, tho) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ray To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan > Chris: > > Where were you listening? > > WOR lost approximately 20 seconds From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 00:45:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36903 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 07:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 07:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 07:45:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20030817074532.68215.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.90] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:45:32 PDT Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Does Japanese equipment designed for 100volts work on the US 115V system? Michael --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > Japan's electricity may be stable, but last I heard > the country is > still split between 100V and 120V power. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 00:48:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11120 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 07:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 07:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 07:48:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20030817074824.4878.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.90] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:48:24 PDT Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001101c36491$db9f6dc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus --- Chris Cuff wrote: > Hi Tom > I am approx. 80 miles NW of NYC. WOR has always been > weak for me up here. >When I went to New York the only stations I could get was about 12 AM stations apart from 1 FM on 95.5. I can remember WINS 1010 but was only there 3 nights in 1995. Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 03:45:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4611 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 10:45:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 10:45:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80503.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 10:45:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20030817104547.87924.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 03:45:47 PDT Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 03:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > Chris: His long post was about the 1965 power outage. We had one that was caused by some severe thunderstorms on thursday evening. Some folks were without power 48 hours here in parts of Cayce SC. More expected today. Powell > Where were you listening? > WOR lost approximately 20 seconds of air time which > allowed the genny > to kick in at the transmitter. I know. I was > standing in the > transmitter building when the lights went out. We > were right back on > the air.....and everything at the studio is on UPS, > so the signal > from Manhattan was right there. Genny kicked in in > midtown, and the > studios ran 24-1/2 hours on gen set....transmitter > ran for 6 on genny. > > Tom Ray > WOR > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" > wrote: > > In 1965, I was on my way home from school, walking > with my > transistor radio > > when it went dead. ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From oscar@globility.com Sun Aug 17 05:36:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1258 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 12:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 12:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.139) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 12:36:20 -0000 Received: from MTS-HAL-II (ppp-RAS3-4-188.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.247.188]) by smtp2.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910DE1402F for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200308170836220656.002BE732@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: <001b01c363c3$ab7bdda0$0101a8c0@pavilion> References: <20030815035358.20433.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> <200308151826230156.00B36C7E@mail.globility.com> <001b01c363c3$ab7bdda0$0101a8c0@pavilion> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:36:22 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Power's Back On- where's CC's Generators? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I wasn't aware they used the Simpsons characters for Tim Horton ads, Chris. As most of us Canucks know, Tim Horton was a damn good hockey player. He wa= s most known for his long stint with Toronto where he made a name for himse= lf as the first to establish a record for goals scored by a defenceman, the= reby expanding the job description for defencemen all over the National Hoc= key League. Unfortunately, he was killed in a automobile collision.=20 "Timmies" as it is referred to by some, makes the best coffee around. I und= erstand, to ensure freshness, they dispose of any coffee that has been sitt= ing for more than 20 minutes. They also make good sandwiches, soup and, of = course, donuts. MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 16/08/2003 at 2:57 AM Chris Cuff wrote: >mmmm..... Tim Hortons... (Homer Simpson impression kicks in) >GREAT place!..... if you ever get to the Maritimes, have a maple cream >stuffed donut with maple frosting..... >cc >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mr.M.S. >To: Kevin Tekel >Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 6:26 PM >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Power's Back On- where's CC's Generators? > > >> >> I was on the highway enroute to Buffalo. I got off at to visit the li'l >boy's room and get a cup of Tim Horton's great coffee. > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Aug 17 06:28:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63687 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 13:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 13:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 13:28:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2003 13:28:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 13:28:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT - power outage bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1673 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.226 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Hi Tom, I am having a little trouble believing that you were working for WOR back then, but I suppose it is just possible, although I didn't think you were that old. Wasn't the WOR transmitter still located at Carteret in 1965? John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > Chris: > > Where were you listening? > > WOR lost approximately 20 seconds of air time which allowed the genny > to kick in at the transmitter. I know. I was standing in the > transmitter building when the lights went out. We were right back on > the air.....and everything at the studio is on UPS, so the signal > from Manhattan was right there. Genny kicked in in midtown, and the > studios ran 24-1/2 hours on gen set....transmitter ran for 6 on genny. > > Tom Ray > WOR > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > In 1965, I was on my way home from school, walking with my > transistor radio > > when it went dead. I was blaming the batteries at first, but as I > approched > > the corner traffic light, it was out. I then scanned the dial, and > the ONLY > > station on was WMCA (a good station for music way back then) but at > reduced > > power. > > All the other NYC stations had never had to implement their > emergency backup > > power, so it took a while for them to come back. > > This time, it was WCBS 880 that was the only station I could get > for the > > first hour or so. > > As night fell, it was a great time to DX- no interference. I was > out for 5 > > hours- lucky compared to the poor NYC folks. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: tubesareking From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Aug 17 06:32:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42722 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 13:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 13:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 13:32:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2003 13:32:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 13:32:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030817074532.68215.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 555 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.226 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g I thought the US used a 120V system, not 115V? John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross < alnairgrus@y...> wrote: > Does Japanese equipment designed for 100volts work on > the US 115V system? > > Michael > --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > > > Japan's electricity may be stable, but last I heard > > the country is > > still split between 100V and 120V power. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From rwagoner1@mac.com Sun Aug 17 07:56:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33689 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 14:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 14:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 14:56:01 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030817145601.FNMF8474.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 10:56:01 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:55:58 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner You missed the "this time" in Chris's post. Tom was speaking of the present. On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 06:28 AM, bta_50g wrote: > Hi Tom, > > I am having a little trouble believing that you were working for WOR > back then, but I suppose it is just possible, although I didn't think > you were that old. Wasn't the WOR transmitter still located at > Carteret in 1965? > > John > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: >> Chris: >> >> Where were you listening? >> >> WOR lost approximately 20 seconds of air time which allowed the genny >> to kick in at the transmitter. I know. I was standing in the >> transmitter building when the lights went out. We were right back on >> the air.....and everything at the studio is on UPS, so the signal >> from Manhattan was right there. Genny kicked in in midtown, and the >> studios ran 24-1/2 hours on gen set....transmitter ran for 6 on genny. >> >> Tom Ray >> WOR >> >> >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: >>> In 1965, I was on my way home from school, walking with my >> transistor radio >>> when it went dead. I was blaming the batteries at first, but as I >> approched >>> the corner traffic light, it was out. I then scanned the dial, and >> the ONLY >>> station on was WMCA (a good station for music way back then) but at >> reduced >>> power. >>> All the other NYC stations had never had to implement their >> emergency backup >>> power, so it took a while for them to come back. >>> This time, it was WCBS 880 that was the only station I could get >> for the >>> first hour or so. >>> As night fell, it was a great time to DX- no interference. I was >> out for 5 >>> hours- lucky compared to the poor NYC folks. >>> Chris >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: tubesareking > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Aug 17 09:56:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52185 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 16:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 16:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 16:56:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2003 16:56:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:56:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2755 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g You are quite correct, I missed exactly that phrase, which leaves me to wonder how too reconcile Chris's and Tom's statements? John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > You missed the "this time" in Chris's post. Tom was speaking of the > present. > > On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 06:28 AM, bta_50g wrote: > > > Hi Tom, > > > > I am having a little trouble believing that you were working for > > WOR back then, but I suppose it is just possible, although I > > didn't think you were that old. Wasn't the WOR transmitter still > > located at Carteret in 1965? > > > > John > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > >> Chris: > >> > >> Where were you listening? > >> > >> WOR lost approximately 20 seconds of air time which allowed the > >> genny to kick in at the transmitter. I know. I was standing in > >> the transmitter building when the lights went out. We were right > >> back on the air.....and everything at the studio is on UPS, so > >> the signal from Manhattan was right there. Genny kicked in in > >> midtown, and the studios ran 24-1/2 hours on gen > >> set....transmitter ran for 6 on genny. > >> > >> Tom Ray > >> WOR > >> > >> > >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > >>> In 1965, I was on my way home from school, walking with my > >>> transistor radio > >>> when it went dead. I was blaming the batteries at first, but as > >>> I approched the corner traffic light, it was out. I then scanned > >>> the dial, and the ONLY station on was WMCA (a good station for > >>> music way back then) but at reduced power. All the other NYC > >>> stations had never had to implement their emergency backup > >>> power, so it took a while for them to come back. > >>> This time, it was WCBS 880 that was the only station I could get > >>> for the first hour or so. As night fell, it was a great time to > >>> DX- no interference. I was out for 5 hours- lucky compared to > >>> the poor NYC folks. > >>> Chris > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: tubesareking > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ---------------------~--> > > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > > Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > > Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/CPMolB/TM > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ~-> > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From philipr@irac.pe.ca Sun Aug 17 12:06:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72716 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 19:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 19:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 19:05:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2003 19:05:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:05:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT - NYC v. Toronto signals Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 653 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.166.158.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking It's pretty much a nighttime regular, though better in winter. On my Delco AMAX car stereo - in the car - I can get it every night - but not strong enough to light the stereo indicator. In winter its strong enough to come in in stereo, and its usually stereo on the SRF- 42 SAT combo. Back in late December - boxing day as I recall, because it was a holiday - I was picking up WTTM in stereo at noon - that of course would be the full 10kw. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > 1kW from NYC to PEI, in stereo-- Neal oughtta be tickled pink at that > reception report. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Sun Aug 17 12:16:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71674 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 19:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 19:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 19:16:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2003 19:16:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:16:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 838 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.166.158.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > You are quite correct, I missed exactly that phrase, which leaves me > to wonder how too reconcile Chris's and Tom's statements? > > John Double yikes!!! Do you suppose 720 CHTN "forgot' to drop to 7.5 kw and change its pattern - and as such was wiping out WOR where Chris lives? LOL Maybe a spike in the CHTN pattern was aimed at Chris's place! Seriously but most enjoyably, CHTN does seem to have a lot more top end lately - approaching that of the "Gold Standard" of hiFi AM in the Maritimes - 1320 CKEC - the stations that dares to be refreshingly different. Glad to here though that WOR's gennies were ready willing and able. I know I found the coverage on WINS interesting the first night, though CFRB had them wiped the second night. Phil R. From stodd@vippn.com Sun Aug 17 12:51:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32145 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 19:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 19:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 19:51:35 -0000 Message-ID: <002b01c364f9$55926e40$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030817074532.68215.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:53:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That depends- some items, especially if they have a switching type power supply, can work off a wide range of voltages. However if it's a standard type supply it will work but won't last long. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Ross" > Does Japanese equipment designed for 100volts work on > the US 115V system? From tomray@wor710.com Sun Aug 17 13:48:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6154 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 20:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 20:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 20:48:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2003 20:48:30 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74100 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 17:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 17:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 17:12:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2003 17:12:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:12:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT - power outage bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 905 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Aug 2003 20:48:28 -0000 Kevin: My guess at the transmitter was the beast gulped about 200 gallons for the 6 hours. It eats about 30 or so gallons an hour under load, and the second AC unit was kicking on and ran for a good amount of time until sundown. The studio went through about 85 gallons in 24-1/2. And if I counted Kerry's Hummer, that figure would have been 500 gallons! ;-) The middle phase (phase B in the TX building) normally sits around 460 volts. It was up over 480 numerous times, and at one point held there. Guess the regulation was non existent with things coming back on and going off line again. STL receivers have a squelch pot in them......it's possible their STL squelch was defeated for some reason.....or they're on a digital broadcast loop. The new digital EQ lines the phone company puts in tend to either squeal or spit white noise if they lose the carrier from the other end. T From tomray@wor710.com Sun Aug 17 13:48:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 48943 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 20:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 20:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 20:48:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2003 20:48:48 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26754 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 17:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 17:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 17:14:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2003 17:14:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:14:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c36491$db9f6dc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1077 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Aug 2003 20:48:46 -0000 Hey Chris: You're in our antenna null. We only put about 5KW in that direction. That 1959 Emerson.....is that a tube set? Table type?? I have a 1930 Philco cathedral that is phenominal. Love it. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Hi Tom > I am approx. 80 miles NW of NYC. WOR has always been weak for me up here. > The only 2 stations that will always come in are WFAN and WCBS on a portable > radio. The radio I used was a 1959 Emerson- the best distance radio I have, > due to it's extra TRF RF stage and monster ferrite. I don't use most digital > radios, as the fidelity is very poor on the Sony ICFSWR77 and unusable on > the Grundig YB500 due to microprocessor hash. > (The car radio is able to get WOR pretty good, tho) > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Ray > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:36 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan > > > > Chris: > > > > Where were you listening? > > > > WOR lost approximately 20 seconds From tomray@wor710.com Sun Aug 17 13:50:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22226 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 20:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 20:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 20:50:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2003 20:50:09 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36406 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 17:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 17:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 17:17:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2003 17:17:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:17:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT - power outage bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Aug 2003 20:50:08 -0000 Hi John: Maybe I misread the original post.....I thought he was referring to the power outage Thursday. No, I wasn't with WOR then (1965)......I was a young lad sitting home in Bloomfield, Ct. Yes, WOR's transmitter was in Carteret then. the present site was under construction. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 14:05:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64556 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 21:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 21:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 21:05:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2003 21:05:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:05:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT - power outage bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 787 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I thought the US used a 120V system, not 115V? I think it varies from area to area. Remember that the final step-down to household voltage doesn't occur until just outside your home -- residental power lines carry at least 4300 volts. I have a book of radio schematics from 1934, and even back then nobody could quite agree whether the USA's household AC voltage is 110, 115, 117.5, or 120 volts. I think just about any electrical device has enough tolerance to work well anywhere within this voltage range. One guy in my area of NJ reported getting a steady 127V at his home. The only real symptom was that light bulbs burned out more often than normal. He asked the electric company to "turn it down" and somehow they adjusted things so that he now gets around 115V. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 14:38:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99056 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 21:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 21:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 21:38:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20030817213842.4410.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.90] by web41209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:38:42 PDT Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus When they state American voltage some say 110v some 115v and some 120v. We use 230volts in NZ but some appliances say 220volts or 240volts. Michael --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > I thought the US used a 120V system, not 115V? > > I think it varies from area to area. Remember that > the final > step-down to household voltage doesn't occur until > just outside your > home -- residental power lines carry at least 4300 > volts. > > I have a book of radio schematics from 1934, and > even back then > nobody could quite agree whether the USA's household > AC voltage is > 110, 115, 117.5, or 120 volts. I think just about > any electrical > device has enough tolerance to work well anywhere > within this voltage > range. > > One guy in my area of NJ reported getting a steady > 127V at his home. > The only real symptom was that light bulbs burned > out more often than > normal. He asked the electric company to "turn it > down" and somehow > they adjusted things so that he now gets around > 115V. > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Aug 17 14:42:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38364 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 21:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 21:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 21:42:45 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.158.190.242]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030817214245.ROUV12990.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:42:45 -0400 Message-ID: <01e901c36508$7ee92c20$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: WOR Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:42:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Tom, Quick question. Does WOR have interference problems from 710 in Cuba ? Also, If I remember correctly, WAQI formerly WGBS, put very little if any signal to the north at night. Now I can hear them here in Fort Pierce quite well at night. Did WAQI adjust their night pattern at all from a few years ago ? Maybe somebody else would know the last question. Thanks Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ray To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan Hi John: Maybe I misread the original post.....I thought he was referring to the power outage Thursday. No, I wasn't with WOR then (1965)......I was a young lad sitting home in Bloomfield, Ct. Yes, WOR's transmitter was in Carteret then. the present site was under construction. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Aug 17 14:46:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4229 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 21:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 21:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 21:46:39 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.206]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:46:23 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c36508$f9ee65c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:46:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 To reconcile: My "original" post was at the beginning of the blackout talk, when power first came back, and i had said that WCBS 880 was the first station and only one I could get where I live. I had said that I had been thru the first one, in 1965, and was walking home from school listening to my transistor radio and at that time, 1965, WMCA was the first station to come back- Tom had then posted asking if I had gotten WOR, (during this past outage) but as he pointed out today, I am in a null for them. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: bta_50g To: Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan > You are quite correct, I missed exactly that phrase, which leaves me > to wonder how too reconcile Chris's and Tom's statements? > > John From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Aug 17 14:52:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73205 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 21:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 21:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 21:52:21 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.206]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:52:06 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c36509$c5f3b4e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:51:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Tom- It is a 9 transistor- made in New Jersey- a great radio that is part of a 40 year collection of over 400 now. I still have my first one- a 1960 Admiral, also USA made. I loaned out over 20 radios during this past outage so our neighbors could keep up. It was funny when one of them was trying to get a station, and I had to tell them that only AM works now- there was no receiveable FM. His response- "Oh- I never knew that AM still worked".... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ray To: Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan > Hey Chris: > > You're in our antenna null. We only put about 5KW in that > direction. > > That 1959 Emerson.....is that a tube set? Table type?? From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Aug 17 14:53:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50896 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 21:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 21:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 21:53:39 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.158.190.242]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030817215338.NOGS8750.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan>; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:53:38 -0400 Message-ID: <01f201c3650a$047487d0$af78fea9@juan> To: Cc: Subject: Myrtle Beach Bandscan Part 1 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:53:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was from the beach, under an umbrella :-)...with a cool iced tea Superadio III, RS Loop (when needed) If more than one signal per frequency, strongest first 540-WFLF-Orlando,FL / WYNN-Florence, SC 550- WAYR-JAcksonville, FL 560- WVOC-Columbia, SC / WQAM-Miami, FL 570-Radio Reloj-Cuba 580-WDBO-Orlando, FL 590-UNID (SS) / UNID / WAFC-Clewiston 600-WBWL-Jacksonville, FL 610-WFNZ-Charlotte, NC / WIOD-Miami, FL 620- UNID / UNID (WGCV Cayce ?) 630- WFMD-Wilmington, NC / WBMQ-Savanah, GA (this one used to come in a lot better here) 640- WFNC- Fayetville, NC 650- WSM-Nashville, TN (needed the loop to pull out this one) 660- UNID (rel) / WLFJ- Greenville, SC 670- WWFE- Miami, FL 680- WPTF-Raleigh, NC 690- WOKV-Jacksonville, FL 700 710- WAQI-MIami, FL, Cuba, UNID [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 17:12:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76606 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 00:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 00:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41013.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 00:12:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20030818001225.22572.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.86.249.158] by web41013.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:12:25 PDT Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Myrtle Beach Bandscan Part 1 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01f201c3650a$047487d0$af78fea9@juan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Can you tape WVCO/94.9-Loris for me please? Thanks, Jay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Aug 17 18:28:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49341 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 01:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 01:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 01:27:58 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.158.190.242]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030818012758.WOLW22300.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:27:58 -0400 Message-ID: <024e01c36527$f520e710$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <20030818001225.22572.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Myrtle Beach Bandscan Part 1 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:27:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Next time I am there, I will run an aircheck. It's a great station. I visited with the permission of "Professor" John Hook, unfortunetely he wasn't there when I came by. I was greeted by Earl Taylor. He quizzed me for about 5 minutes, asking where I worked, who owned the station I worked for, and asked If I was with Clear Channel. I then asked If I could have a tour and he told me there wasn't much to see, and that I come back after 3 pm to visit Mr. Hook. I felt very unwelcome. I knew it wasn't good when I was greeted the receptionsit....maybe she was the Office manager too, and she gave me a look like I was an Alien. When I told her I was from out of town, vacationing, and had chatted with Professor Hook to get permission to visit....she asked my name, and went into an office. I got the evil eye....don't know why....I had my deoderant on...hi They were supposed to move to one of the malls in Myrtle Beach this past weekend. The station was above a Golf Cart store on South 3rd Ave. There was absolutely NO signage from the road. I had to ask a woman inside where the station was. She pointed to the stairs to her left. It's a cool station....Just felt weird after I left. I plan on visiting when I return......hopefully Juan Fort Pierce, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 8:12 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Myrtle Beach Bandscan Part 1 Can you tape WVCO/94.9-Loris for me please? Thanks, Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Sun Aug 17 19:41:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23570 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 02:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 02:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 02:41:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2003 02:41:45 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25822 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 01:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 01:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 01:24:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2003 01:24:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:24:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01e901c36508$7ee92c20$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2384 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Aug 2003 02:41:41 -0000 Juan: Yeah....we get Cuban interference. In this area, it's prevalent on the eastern end of Long Island and starting around the southern end of New Jersey. I've heard it when we've had the transmitter off overnight working on the antenna. I'm not a Spanish speaker, but there was no mistaking the words, "Viva Cuba!" being shouted every few minutes. I thought it might be the 710 in Miami (the reason we have the Cuban interference.....their nighttime pattern points directly at Havana), but niether their nighttime or daytime patterns would produce that type of field this far north. If no one else has the answer on WAQI, let me know and I'll see what I can come up with regarding their pattern. You might be able to find it in the FCC database....www.fcc.gov. Go to the Media Bureau, Audio Division. Look under AM Query, type in the call letters, and you can come up with a recent history of applications to the commission. Some stations are rather complete....others show almost nothing, so it's a crap shoot. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > Hey Tom, > > Quick question. Does WOR have interference problems from 710 in Cuba ? Also, If I remember correctly, WAQI formerly WGBS, put very little if any signal to the north at night. Now I can hear them here in Fort Pierce quite well at night. Did WAQI adjust their night pattern at all from a few years ago ? Maybe somebody else would know the last question. > > Thanks > > Juan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Ray > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 1:17 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan > > > Hi John: > > Maybe I misread the original post.....I thought he was referring to > the power outage Thursday. > > No, I wasn't with WOR then (1965)......I was a young lad sitting home in > Bloomfield, Ct. Yes, WOR's transmitter was in Carteret then. the > present site was under construction. > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Sun Aug 17 19:42:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24051 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 02:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 02:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 02:42:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2003 02:42:21 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29523 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 01:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 01:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 01:27:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2003 01:27:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:27:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002901c36509$c5f3b4e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1197 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Aug 2003 02:42:21 -0000 Boy, that's sad, isn't it? My son is 15. I handed one of his friends a radio, AM/FM, with sliderule tuning. He couldn't figure out how to tune in any station. All he knows is digital tuners. And, of course, my favorite question from someone his age is, "AM? What's that?" Sigh. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Tom- > It is a 9 transistor- made in New Jersey- a great radio that is part of a 40 > year collection of over 400 now. I still have my first one- a 1960 Admiral, > also USA made. I loaned out over 20 radios during this past outage so our > neighbors could keep up. It was funny when one of them was trying to get a > station, and I had to tell them that only AM works now- there was no > receiveable FM. His response- "Oh- I never knew that AM still worked".... > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Ray > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 1:14 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan > > > > Hey Chris: > > > > You're in our antenna null. We only put about 5KW in that > > direction. > > > > That 1959 Emerson.....is that a tube set? Table type?? From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 20:00:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77675 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 03:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 03:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 03:00:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20030818030017.3219.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.90] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:00:17 PDT Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: National Radio To: dav259@csiro.au Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Hi I am Michael in Auckland-just listened to 1YA 756AM kHz and Wayne Mowat says "We a lucky to get this weather..." Sure in Auckland the last 3 days its blowen a gale and had horizontal rain Sure we are blessed to have that! Just another thing why simulcast National Radio AM and FM -its a waste of spectrum when AM Stereo could be used. Have you heard C-QuAM stereo? It has the advantages of It gives high fidelity depth stereo to AMS enabled radios. Secondly anyone with a conventional radio -the sound is a much better quality than the "usual ringing AM sound" normally heard. Thirdly it has propagation scope enabling a bigger coverage area at night with no picket fence multipath FM coverage.(Of course FM could be used in small isolated areas where the AM signal is noisy/attenuated) Also it is cost effective by modifying AM translators and exciters to C QuAM rather than additional frequencies broadcasting the same content in a demographic costing extra. Regards Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 00:22:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79336 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 07:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 07:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41002.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.1) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 07:22:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20030818072203.44314.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.44.182] by web41002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:22:03 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Myrtle Beach Bandscan Part 1 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <024e01c36527$f520e710$af78fea9@juan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio John, It's not just you. I also went by the station and asked for a job on the spot. Earl is a seemingly paranoid individual. I felt the same way. 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 02:56:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66175 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 09:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 09:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 09:56:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20030818095625.90944.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.90] by web41206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 02:56:25 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 02:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: National Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus This is the reply I got from the state run National programme tonight about AM Stereo. Michael --- Technical Technical wrote: > Dear Micheal, > > Thank you for your comments. > Yes, we are well aware of all the versions of AM > Stereo technology that are available around the > world today. > > Regards > Technical > > >>> Michael and Ross > 18/08/2003 15:00:17 >>> > Hi I am Michael in Auckland-just listened to 1YA > 756AM > kHz and Wayne Mowat says "We a lucky to get this > weather..." > Sure in Auckland the last 3 days its blowen a gale > and > had horizontal rain Sure we are blessed to have > that! > > Just another thing why simulcast National Radio AM > and > FM -its a waste of spectrum when AM Stereo could be > used. > Have you heard C-QuAM stereo? > It has the advantages of It gives high fidelity > depth > stereo to AMS enabled radios. > Secondly anyone with a conventional radio -the sound > is a much better quality than the "usual ringing AM > sound" normally heard. > Thirdly it has propagation scope enabling a bigger > coverage area at night with no picket fence > multipath > FM coverage.(Of course FM could be used in small > isolated areas where the AM signal is > noisy/attenuated) > Also it is cost effective by modifying AM > translators > and exciters to C QuAM rather than additional > frequencies broadcasting the same content in a > demographic costing extra. > > Regards > Michael > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 03:12:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82725 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 10:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 10:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 10:12:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2003 10:12:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:12:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: National Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030818095625.90944.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 671 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > This is the reply I got from the state run National > programme tonight about AM Stereo. > > Michael > --- Technical Technical > wrote: > > Dear Micheal, > > > > Thank you for your comments. > > Yes, we are well aware of all the versions of AM > > Stereo technology that are available around the > > world today. If they did know, they would know there is only ONE AM stereo standard in use in at least 26 other countries, on 6 continents. Nobody else uses ISB, Harris or Magnavox, officially, any more. Just the experimentors, for the most part. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 03:39:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71156 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 10:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 10:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 10:39:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20030818103919.82729.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.90] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 03:39:19 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 03:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: National Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus They could be refering to Iboc,DAB,Eureka etc too as it doesnt mention whether its analogue or digital. Michael Michael --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and > Ross > wrote: > > This is the reply I got from the state run > National > > programme tonight about AM Stereo. > > > > Michael > > --- Technical Technical > > wrote: > > > Dear Micheal, > > > > > > Thank you for your comments. > > > Yes, we are well aware of all the versions of AM > > > Stereo technology that are available around the > > > world today. > > If they did know, they would know there is only ONE > AM stereo > standard in use in at least 26 other countries, on 6 > continents. > Nobody else uses ISB, Harris or Magnavox, > officially, any more. Just > the experimentors, for the most part. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From oscar@globility.com Mon Aug 18 08:23:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65862 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 15:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 15:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.139) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 15:23:42 -0000 Received: from MTS-HAL-II (ppp-RAS3-2-56.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.245.56]) by smtp2.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FB213810 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200308181123450265.00B2E82B@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:23:45 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Forgive my sounding like a wise..ss Tom, but how do you deal with the statement by the same kid, "Digital, I thought all radios were digital." (Equates numbers with sound). Either way, it's a learning situation. MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 18/08/2003 at 1:27 AM Tom Ray wrote: >Boy, that's sad, isn't it? > >My son is 15. I handed one of his friends a radio, AM/FM, with >sliderule tuning. He couldn't figure out how to tune in any >station. All he knows is digital tuners. > >And, of course, my favorite question from someone his age is, "AM? >What's that?" > >Sigh. > >TR > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: >> Tom- >> It is a 9 transistor- made in New Jersey- a great radio that is >part of a 40 >> year collection of over 400 now. I still have my first one- a 1960 >Admiral, >> also USA made. I loaned out over 20 radios during this past outage >so our >> neighbors could keep up. It was funny when one of them was trying >to get a >> station, and I had to tell them that only AM works now- there was no >> receiveable FM. His response- "Oh- I never knew that AM still >worked".... >> Chris >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Tom Ray >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 1:14 PM >> Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan >> >> >> > Hey Chris: >> > >> > You're in our antenna null. We only put about 5KW in that >> > direction. >> > >> > That 1959 Emerson.....is that a tube set? Table type?? > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Aug 18 13:37:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86952 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 20:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 20:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 20:37:46 -0000 Received: from juan ([65.80.16.42]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030818203746.JCKQ22300.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:37:46 -0400 Message-ID: <005201c365c8$9547ef90$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <20030818072203.44314.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Myrtle Beach Bandscan Part 1 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:37:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He did seem uneasy. That would explain it. Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 3:22 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Myrtle Beach Bandscan Part 1 John, It's not just you. I also went by the station and asked for a job on the spot. Earl is a seemingly paranoid individual. I felt the same way. 73, Jay, N1WVQ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Aug 18 14:56:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12731 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 21:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 21:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 21:56:06 -0000 Received: from juan ([65.80.16.42]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030818215605.ILQQ12990.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan>; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:56:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c365d3$86967ce0$af78fea9@juan> To: Cc: Subject: Myrtle Beach Bandscan Part 2 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:56:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Superadio III RS Loop This was done over 2 days between 10am and 3pm The Bandscan is a lot more incomplete than I thought, now that I am transcribing what I found. I need more time there. :-) 720- WRZN Hernando, FL 730- WSCC Charleston, SC 740- WQTM Orlando, FL 750- 760- UNID (ESPN Sports...maybe WEFL Tequesta ?) 770- WLWL Rockingham, NC (Cool Station) 780- 790 UNID UNID 800 UNID (Gospel) 810 ZNS-3 Freeport, Bahamas 820 830 UNID (REL) 840 UNID (SS) 850 UNID (NT) 860 UNID 870 880 UNID (SS) 890 UNID 900 910 WTMZ- Charleston, SC 920 UNID / WMEL-Melbourne, FL 930 WFXJ- Jacksonville, FL 940- WINZ-Miami, FL / UNID (weak) 950 UNID / UNID 960 970 WJMX-Florence, SC 980 WAAV-Leland, NC 990 WDYZ-Orlando, FL 1000- WJBW-Jupiter, FL 1010-WIOJ-Jacksonville Beach, FL 1020 1030-WFTK Raleigh, NC 1040- 1050-WIQB-Conway, SC 1060-WIXC- Titusville, FL 1070 1080-WKKE-St. Pauls, NC 1090 1100 1110 WBT-Charlotte, NC 1120 WSMO- Camp Lejeune, NC 1130 1140- UNID (SS) 1150 WNDB-Daytona, FL 1160-UNID (Gospel) UNID (SS)(weak) 1170 UNID [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Aug 18 15:20:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28981 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 22:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 22:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 22:20:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2003 22:20:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:20:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach Bandscan Part 2 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c365d3$86967ce0$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1388 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g But there is no indication which ones were transmitting in AM stereo, and which weren't? John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" < gualdaj@b...> wrote: > Superadio III > RS Loop > > This was done over 2 days between 10am and 3pm > > The Bandscan is a lot more incomplete than I thought, now that I am > transcribing what I found. I need more time there. :-) > > > 720- WRZN Hernando, FL > 730- WSCC Charleston, SC > 740- WQTM Orlando, FL > 750- > 760- UNID (ESPN Sports...maybe WEFL Tequesta ?) > 770- WLWL Rockingham, NC (Cool Station) > 780- > 790 UNID UNID > 800 UNID (Gospel) > 810 ZNS-3 Freeport, Bahamas > 820 > 830 UNID (REL) > 840 UNID (SS) > 850 UNID (NT) > 860 UNID > 870 > 880 UNID (SS) > 890 UNID > 900 > 910 WTMZ- Charleston, SC > 920 UNID / WMEL-Melbourne, FL > 930 WFXJ- Jacksonville, FL > 940- WINZ-Miami, FL / UNID (weak) > 950 UNID / UNID > 960 > 970 WJMX-Florence, SC > 980 WAAV-Leland, NC > 990 WDYZ-Orlando, FL > 1000- WJBW-Jupiter, FL > 1010-WIOJ-Jacksonville Beach, FL > 1020 > 1030-WFTK Raleigh, NC > 1040- > 1050-WIQB-Conway, SC > 1060-WIXC- Titusville, FL > 1070 > 1080-WKKE-St. Pauls, NC > 1090 > 1100 > 1110 WBT-Charlotte, NC > 1120 WSMO- Camp Lejeune, NC > 1130 > 1140- UNID (SS) > 1150 WNDB-Daytona, FL > 1160-UNID (Gospel) UNID (SS)(weak) > 1170 UNID > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Aug 18 15:29:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49571 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 22:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 22:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 22:29:19 -0000 Received: from juan ([65.80.16.42]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030818222919.ZGPX23972.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:29:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c365d8$2ad0bc90$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Myrtle Beach Bandscan Part 2 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:29:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to the radio-locator WLWL 770, is Stereo (forgot what it said, maybe an old Identifier)...Unfortunetely, I was at quota for items to haul to the beach from the motel room, so I could not bring along my srf-42. Sadly, I think there are very few AM Stereo stations left in the Southeast US. Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: bta_50g To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 6:20 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Myrtle Beach Bandscan Part 2 But there is no indication which ones were transmitting in AM stereo, and which weren't? John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" < gualdaj@b...> wrote: > Superadio III > RS Loop > > This was done over 2 days between 10am and 3pm > > The Bandscan is a lot more incomplete than I thought, now that I am > transcribing what I found. I need more time there. :-) > > > 720- WRZN Hernando, FL > 730- WSCC Charleston, SC > 740- WQTM Orlando, FL > 750- > 760- UNID (ESPN Sports...maybe WEFL Tequesta ?) > 770- WLWL Rockingham, NC (Cool Station) > 780- > 790 UNID UNID > 800 UNID (Gospel) > 810 ZNS-3 Freeport, Bahamas > 820 > 830 UNID (REL) > 840 UNID (SS) > 850 UNID (NT) > 860 UNID > 870 > 880 UNID (SS) > 890 UNID > 900 > 910 WTMZ- Charleston, SC > 920 UNID / WMEL-Melbourne, FL > 930 WFXJ- Jacksonville, FL > 940- WINZ-Miami, FL / UNID (weak) > 950 UNID / UNID > 960 > 970 WJMX-Florence, SC > 980 WAAV-Leland, NC > 990 WDYZ-Orlando, FL > 1000- WJBW-Jupiter, FL > 1010-WIOJ-Jacksonville Beach, FL > 1020 > 1030-WFTK Raleigh, NC > 1040- > 1050-WIQB-Conway, SC > 1060-WIXC- Titusville, FL > 1070 > 1080-WKKE-St. Pauls, NC > 1090 > 1100 > 1110 WBT-Charlotte, NC > 1120 WSMO- Camp Lejeune, NC > 1130 > 1140- UNID (SS) > 1150 WNDB-Daytona, FL > 1160-UNID (Gospel) UNID (SS)(weak) > 1170 UNID > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 17:09:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81337 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 00:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 00:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80509.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 00:08:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20030819000858.77790.qmail@web80509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.44.187] by web80509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:08:58 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > Juan: > > Yeah....we get Cuban interference. In this area, > it's prevalent on > the eastern end of Long Island and starting around > the southern end > of New Jersey.. I hear the Cuban well here in Columbia, SC HOWEVER I also hear WAQI and I hear it ***FAR*** to well. I hear WOR underneath. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 17:58:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8062 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 00:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 00:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 00:58:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2003 00:58:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:58:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach Bandscan Part 2 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 295 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > But there is no indication which ones were transmitting in AM stereo, > and which weren't? How could he tell with a GE Superadio III? Even that radio is considered unconvertable to C-QUAM by some here. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pmountdx@att.net Mon Aug 18 20:35:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pmountdx@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15618 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 03:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 03:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net) (204.127.131.117) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 03:35:58 -0000 Received: from mtiwebc14 (mtiwebc14.worldnet.att.net[204.127.135.40]) by mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2003081903310011300ctq4te>; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 03:31:00 +0000 Received: from [12.89.72.8] by mtiwebc14; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 03:30:58 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach Bandscan, part I Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 03:30:58 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 29 2003) X-Authenticated-Sender: cG1vdW50ZHhAYXR0Lm5ldA== From: pmountdx@att.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=156228578 X-Yahoo-Profile: mount142 >>I felt very unwelcome If you really wanna feel unwelcome, visit the 1410 in Shallotte. I went in there in '93 with my M-Street Directory, asking to verify information. When I got to things like PSA power he waves his hands at me and says dismissively "they don't have to know that". I think no one ever sets foot in the place except the weird owner and his wife. Maybe it is a two person operation, reminiscent of the one-man shows like the old 104.9 in Gloucester (Simon Geller?) or the 1530 in North East PA (WHYP circa 1983 (James Brownyard). And yes, I just checked my 92-93 M Street vs the current 100000watts site and it is the same owner. I think I visited every station from Ocean Isle Beach out to Tabor City and down to Georgetown. It was easier then, the market has grown by about 50% more stations since summer '93. In another note, on certain overnights I get SS QRM on WOR here in Monmouth County. But usually not. From tomray@wor710.com Mon Aug 18 22:03:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46617 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 05:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 05:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 05:03:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2003 05:03:58 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36657 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 01:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 01:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 01:07:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2003 01:07:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:07:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT - power outage bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200308181123450265.00B2E82B@mail.globility.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2252 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 19 Aug 2003 05:03:57 -0000 Oh, I take the time to show them different things with the analog tuning, show them how to tune the radio, and how much easier it is to find stations rather than hitting "seek" or turning the tuning knob watching the numbers fly by. Most are fascinated. Some look for the hand controller and the Nintendo reboot button........ T --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M.S." wrote: > Forgive my sounding like a wise..ss Tom, but how do you deal with the > statement by the same kid, "Digital, I thought all radios were digital." > (Equates numbers with sound). Either way, it's a learning situation. > > MS > > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 18/08/2003 at 1:27 AM Tom Ray wrote: > > >Boy, that's sad, isn't it? > > > >My son is 15. I handed one of his friends a radio, AM/FM, with > >sliderule tuning. He couldn't figure out how to tune in any > >station. All he knows is digital tuners. > > > >And, of course, my favorite question from someone his age is, "AM? > >What's that?" > > > >Sigh. > > > >TR > > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > >> Tom- > >> It is a 9 transistor- made in New Jersey- a great radio that is > >part of a 40 > >> year collection of over 400 now. I still have my first one- a 1960 > >Admiral, > >> also USA made. I loaned out over 20 radios during this past outage > >so our > >> neighbors could keep up. It was funny when one of them was trying > >to get a > >> station, and I had to tell them that only AM works now- there was no > >> receiveable FM. His response- "Oh- I never knew that AM still > >worked".... > >> Chris > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Tom Ray > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 1:14 PM > >> Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT - power outage bandscan > >> > >> > >> > Hey Chris: > >> > > >> > You're in our antenna null. We only put about 5KW in that > >> > direction. > >> > > >> > That 1959 Emerson.....is that a tube set? Table type?? > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From watan-ko@h4.dion.ne.jp Tue Aug 19 01:00:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@h4.dion.ne.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63209 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 08:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 08:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 08:00:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2003 08:00:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:00:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT - power outage bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030817213842.4410.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 406 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "irukero" X-Originating-IP: 192.218.64.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67253313 X-Yahoo-Profile: irukero In Japan, AC supply voltage is exactly 100 volts, so be ware when you try to use Japanese domestic models in U.S. Some digital equipment like PC have switching supply which can handle with different voltage, but you must not use conventional analogue models with U.S. ac outlet. So, I think you'd better use variac or suitable transformer with Sony SRF-A300 in U.S. Koji Watanabe SHIGA, JAPAN From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Aug 19 08:58:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73863 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 15:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 15:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 15:58:48 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:58:37 -0600 Message-ID: <002501c3666a$c06ab110$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: corrections & alfredos Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:58:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks First, noticed some more corrections needed on the AM Stereo station listings on the amstereoradio.com web site. Utah....again...KKDS is NOT stereo. Utah should be listed as "NONE". There are NONE in Utah right now. KVOO-Tulsa, OK is still listed. It's been quite some time since KVOO changed calls and format. They're now KFAQ and it's news/talk and they turned the stereo OFF. So no more KVOO in stereo. A sad situation as the historic KVOO calls went poof! Second....got a friend looking for an Alfredo Lite am stereo transmitter. Yes, I checked with Chris Cuff and he said it's going to be a while before he has anymore. My friend is really interested in getting one right now. Anyone got any ideas? Got one you'd like to part with or know where he can get one? Thanks Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Aug 19 16:20:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71361 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 23:20:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 23:20:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 23:20:56 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.154.104.63]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030819232054.UWVH19510.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:20:54 -0400 Message-ID: <005801c366a8$8b1e6630$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <20030819000858.77790.qmail@web80509.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:20:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Back in the 70's WGBS 710 could barely get into Ft. Lauderdale at night, further North they were *Gone*. Either something was changed (night pattern) or something is not right. Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR --- Tom Ray wrote: > Juan: > > Yeah....we get Cuban interference. In this area, > it's prevalent on > the eastern end of Long Island and starting around > the southern end > of New Jersey.. I hear the Cuban well here in Columbia, SC HOWEVER I also hear WAQI and I hear it ***FAR*** to well. I hear WOR underneath. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Aug 19 17:09:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61250 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 00:09:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 00:09:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 00:09:42 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.154.104.63]) by imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030820000941.NHMB1849.imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan>; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:09:41 -0400 Message-ID: <007301c366af$5b2b4c20$af78fea9@juan> To: Cc: Subject: Myrtle Beach, Part 3 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:09:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is where it gets spotty 1180-WNDB-Daytona, FL 1190 1200 WMIR-Atlantic Beach,SC 1210-UNID 1220-WINC-Whiteville, NC 1230-WSBB-New Smyrna Beach, FL 1240-UNID (Gospel) / WFOY-St. Augustine, FL 1250-WTMA-Charleston, SC 1260-UNID (Gospel) 1270 1280-UNID (Gospel) 1290 1300-WTIR-Cocoa Beach, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 20:41:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84660 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 03:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 03:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 03:41:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2003 03:41:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:41:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Memo to "pianoplayer88key"... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2286 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics To AM Stereo Forum member "pianoplayer88key"... your computer is infected with the "Sobig.F" worm. I received an e-mail from you today that contained the infected .SCR attachment file, as described in the article below. And just a general reminder to everybody here: Do NOT open any suspicious e-mail attachment, even if it is from somebody you know and trust. Be alert, and save yourself from the headache of dealing with a computer virus or worm! -------------------- SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A new mass e-mail worm that attempts to download files from the Internet and potentially leave computers vulnerable to further attack was spreading quickly around the world on Tuesday, anti-virus experts said. The new worm, dubbed Sobig.F, is at least the fourth new, major Internet worm to hit computers worldwide in the past week, prompting anti-virus vendor F-Secure to declare this the "worst virus week ever". Sobig.F, a variant of an older worm, began spreading on Monday in Europe and has infected an estimated tens of thousands of Windows- based computers, said Patrick Hinojosa, chief technology officer at Panda Software, based in Madrid. It arrives in e-mail and includes a variety of subject lines, including "Your details", "Thank you!", "Your application", and "Wicked screensaver." It has caused some corporate e-mail systems to grind to a halt, according to Sophos Inc. When the .PIF or .SCR attachment is opened, Sobig.F infects the computer and sends itself on to other victims using a random e-mail address from the address book. It also prepares the computer to receive orders and tries to download files from the Internet, said Hinojosa. It was unknown exactly what files they were, he said. If the infected computer is on a shared network, the worm tries to copy itself to the other computers on that network. The worm is programmed to stop spreading on September 10th. Network Associates, Inc. has rated Sobig.F a medium risk because of the quick rate of spread, said Jimmy Kuo, research fellow at Network Associates, an anti-virus software vendor. Sobig.F was spreading at an "alarming rate," accounting for nearly 80 percent of all infection reports recorded on Tuesday, according to anti-virus provider Central Command. From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Aug 19 22:41:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6304 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 05:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 05:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 05:41:15 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.186.1e166af9 (4426) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <186.1e166af9.2c7463f3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:41:07 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Power's Back On- where's CC's Generators? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is clear that Clear Channel should LOSE ALL OF IT'S RADIO LICENSES. Their anti-community attitudes is one reason why! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Aug 19 22:41:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73763 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 05:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 05:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 05:41:19 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.39.3cc61efa (4426) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39.3cc61efa.2c7463f4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:41:08 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Symphony To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But, if it says "AM Radio" and it has included a separate C-QUAM chip, will the Symphony chip work? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Aug 19 22:41:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56906 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 05:41:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 05:41:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 05:41:55 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.13.210a73f5 (4426) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <13.210a73f5.2c7463f7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:41:11 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Satellite radio hits a costly snag To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug, you should have bought a shortwave converter for your car radio! I did, and I'm glad I invested $90 in one! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 22:54:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51226 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 05:54:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 05:54:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 05:54:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2003 05:54:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 05:54:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Power's Back On- where's CC's Generators? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <186.1e166af9.2c7463f3@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 421 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.183 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > It is clear that Clear Channel should LOSE ALL OF IT'S RADIO LICENSES. Their > anti-community attitudes is one reason why! Unfortunately, if that were done, it would prove utterly devastating to AM and FM broadcasting for years to come- Much on the order of the big blackout in the US/Canada northeast, only without the near recovery. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 22:56:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89600 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 05:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 05:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 05:56:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2003 05:55:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 05:55:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Symphony Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39.3cc61efa.2c7463f4@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 249 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.183 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > But, if it says "AM Radio" and it has included a separate C-QUAM chip, will > the Symphony chip work? The codec exists and can be firmware-installed, no extra chips. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 01:03:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94981 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 08:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 08:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 08:03:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2003 08:00:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:00:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Memo to "pianoplayer88key"... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2621 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I don't know how that could be... I am usually very careful about opening attachments and I haven't used POP/IMAP in quite a while... I'll check though... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > To AM Stereo Forum member "pianoplayer88key"... your computer is > infected with the "Sobig.F" worm. I received an e-mail from you > today that contained the infected .SCR attachment file, as described > in the article below. > > And just a general reminder to everybody here: Do NOT open any > suspicious e-mail attachment, even if it is from somebody you know > and trust. Be alert, and save yourself from the headache of dealing > with a computer virus or worm! > > -------------------- > > SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A new mass e-mail worm that attempts to > download files from the Internet and potentially leave computers > vulnerable to further attack was spreading quickly around the world > on Tuesday, anti-virus experts said. > > The new worm, dubbed Sobig.F, is at least the fourth new, major > Internet worm to hit computers worldwide in the past week, prompting > anti-virus vendor F-Secure to declare this the "worst virus week > ever". > > Sobig.F, a variant of an older worm, began spreading on Monday in > Europe and has infected an estimated tens of thousands of Windows- > based computers, said Patrick Hinojosa, chief technology officer at > Panda Software, based in Madrid. > > It arrives in e-mail and includes a variety of subject lines, > including "Your details", "Thank you!", "Your application", and > "Wicked screensaver." It has caused some corporate e-mail systems to > grind to a halt, according to Sophos Inc. > > When the .PIF or .SCR attachment is opened, Sobig.F infects the > computer and sends itself on to other victims using a random e-mail > address from the address book. > > It also prepares the computer to receive orders and tries to download > files from the Internet, said Hinojosa. It was unknown exactly what > files they were, he said. > > If the infected computer is on a shared network, the worm tries to > copy itself to the other computers on that network. > > The worm is programmed to stop spreading on September 10th. > > Network Associates, Inc. has rated Sobig.F a medium risk because of > the quick rate of spread, said Jimmy Kuo, research fellow at Network > Associates, an anti-virus software vendor. > > Sobig.F was spreading at an "alarming rate," accounting for nearly > 80 percent of all infection reports recorded on Tuesday, according to > anti-virus provider Central Command. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 01:03:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38974 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 08:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 08:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 08:03:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2003 08:03:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:03:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Memo to "pianoplayer88key"... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2601 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Also, do you know of a good anti-virus program? I don't want to pay a monthly fee, but I suppose a one-time of $30 or so wouldn't hurt. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > To AM Stereo Forum member "pianoplayer88key"... your computer is > infected with the "Sobig.F" worm. I received an e-mail from you > today that contained the infected .SCR attachment file, as described > in the article below. > > And just a general reminder to everybody here: Do NOT open any > suspicious e-mail attachment, even if it is from somebody you know > and trust. Be alert, and save yourself from the headache of dealing > with a computer virus or worm! > > -------------------- > > SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A new mass e-mail worm that attempts to > download files from the Internet and potentially leave computers > vulnerable to further attack was spreading quickly around the world > on Tuesday, anti-virus experts said. > > The new worm, dubbed Sobig.F, is at least the fourth new, major > Internet worm to hit computers worldwide in the past week, prompting > anti-virus vendor F-Secure to declare this the "worst virus week > ever". > > Sobig.F, a variant of an older worm, began spreading on Monday in > Europe and has infected an estimated tens of thousands of Windows- > based computers, said Patrick Hinojosa, chief technology officer at > Panda Software, based in Madrid. > > It arrives in e-mail and includes a variety of subject lines, > including "Your details", "Thank you!", "Your application", and > "Wicked screensaver." It has caused some corporate e-mail systems to > grind to a halt, according to Sophos Inc. > > When the .PIF or .SCR attachment is opened, Sobig.F infects the > computer and sends itself on to other victims using a random e-mail > address from the address book. > > It also prepares the computer to receive orders and tries to download > files from the Internet, said Hinojosa. It was unknown exactly what > files they were, he said. > > If the infected computer is on a shared network, the worm tries to > copy itself to the other computers on that network. > > The worm is programmed to stop spreading on September 10th. > > Network Associates, Inc. has rated Sobig.F a medium risk because of > the quick rate of spread, said Jimmy Kuo, research fellow at Network > Associates, an anti-virus software vendor. > > Sobig.F was spreading at an "alarming rate," accounting for nearly > 80 percent of all infection reports recorded on Tuesday, according to > anti-virus provider Central Command. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Aug 20 01:51:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41470 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 08:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 08:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 08:51:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2003 08:49:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:49:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Best program to stream ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 81 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.11.179 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I want to have a go at streaming radio. What is the best way preferably free ? From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 02:11:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7036 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 09:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 09:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 09:11:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2003 09:11:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:11:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Memo to "pianoplayer88key"... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 443 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.183 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Also, do you know of a good anti-virus program? I don't want to pay a > monthly fee, but I suppose a one-time of $30 or so wouldn't hurt. If you're using Windows, there's AVG, which is free for US users (at least- I know they must charge for Europeans), which you can get at http://www.grisoft.com/ This mousie is protected. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 02:16:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32586 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 09:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 09:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 09:16:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2003 09:12:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:12:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Best program to stream ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 233 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.183 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > I want to have a go at streaming radio. What is the best way > preferably free ? Shoutcast/Icecast. The latter supports .ogg. :) Both free. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereo@optushome.com.au Wed Aug 20 05:34:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91496 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 12:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 12:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail016.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.174) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 12:34:02 -0000 Received: from allathlon (c210-49-44-50.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.44.50]) by mail016.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id h7KCXEF26106 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:33:14 +1000 Message-ID: <00e101c36717$56d404b0$2302a8c0@allathlon> To: Subject: Fw: FREE VIRUS SCANNER Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:34:03 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "amstereo - matt2" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e ----- Original Message ----- From: "amstereo - matt2" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:53 PM Subject: Re: FREE VIRUS SCANNER > www.grisoft.com avg works well, and is 100% free / no ad support or > anything, a 6MB program with auto apdates. > > From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Aug 20 09:26:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26004 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 16:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 16:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 16:26:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2003 16:25:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:25:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Symphony Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F3C7C4D.9E5F65A1@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 753 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking By way of Google, I notice there is a band, based in Boston, calling themselves - at least according to their website, AM Stereo users.erols.com/amstereo/ Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman : > I have Done sound for the Band they are actually called"AM Radio" not AM stereo > They are Presently touring up and Down the East coast. > Neal > > "Kevin T." wrote: > > > > So it seems there was a Symphony Bar. I hope so. > > > > Also, there's a punk rock band in Boston called "AM Stereo"... > > so anything is possible! > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kfornal@cox.net Wed Aug 20 11:10:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56458 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 18:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 18:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtai04.cox.net) (68.1.17.251) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 18:10:55 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP id <20030820180326.MBVD10977.lakemtao03.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:03:26 -0400 To: Subject: First digital AM to broadcast in stereo Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:02:49 -0400 Message-ID: <003801c36745$47b403d0$0301a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=128541479 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From Insideradio.com (8/20): Atlanta's WMLB aims to be the first digital AM to broadcast in stereo. GM John Lauer figured he might as well go all the way while he was upgrading the daytime facility to 50-kw. All he's waiting for now is iBiquity's new codec software (for coding/decoding). Keith Fornal Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner1@mac.com Wed Aug 20 14:00:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92510 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 21:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 21:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 21:00:43 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.4.0.44]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP id <20030820205646.DQPV28174.fed1mtao08.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:56:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:56:45 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Memo to "pianoplayer88key"... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner My understanding is that the return email address isn't necessarily the one that was sent it out, as described below: >> When the .PIF or .SCR attachment is opened, Sobig.F infects the >> computer and sends itself on to other victims using a random e-mail >> address from the address book. >> So it wasn't necessarily (and probably wasn't) pianoplayer88key who was infected, just someone who had the address in their book. Most likely someone on this list, though. The question I always have is, how many times is this going to happen before people STOP using Microsoft programs, especially their email programs? The worms and viruses are almost universally spread through Outlook and Outlook Express, and Microsoft has a horrible history of security problems. How much money has been spent fixing these problems; how much time has been wasted; how much of the internet is screwed up periodically due to Windows/Outlook viruses and worms? I am so glad I use a Mac. Off the soapbox. Richard Virus? What virus? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 14:27:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5917 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 21:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 21:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 21:27:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2003 21:26:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:26:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Memo to "pianoplayer88key"... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1365 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I don't use a Microsoft web browser except when absolutely necessary which is almost never, and I also use a non-Microsoft email client. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > My understanding is that the return email address isn't necessarily the > one that was sent it out, as described below: > > > >> When the .PIF or .SCR attachment is opened, Sobig.F infects the > >> computer and sends itself on to other victims using a random e-mail > >> address from the address book. > >> > > So it wasn't necessarily (and probably wasn't) pianoplayer88key who was > infected, just someone who had the address in their book. Most likely > someone on this list, though. > > The question I always have is, how many times is this going to happen > before people STOP using Microsoft programs, especially their email > programs? The worms and viruses are almost universally spread through > Outlook and Outlook Express, and Microsoft has a horrible history of > security problems. How much money has been spent fixing these problems; > how much time has been wasted; how much of the internet is screwed up > periodically due to Windows/Outlook viruses and worms? > > I am so glad I use a Mac. > > Off the soapbox. > > Richard > Virus? What virus? From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 16:08:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9435 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 23:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 23:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80508.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 23:08:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20030820212149.51001.qmail@web80508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.172.39.124] by web80508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:21:49 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Memo to "pianoplayer88key"... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > To AM Stereo Forum member "pianoplayer88key"... your > computer is > infected with the "Sobig.F" worm. I received an > e-mail from you > today that contained the infected .SCR attachment > file, as described > in the article below. Are you suer it was from him? The worm spoofs addresses. > And just a general reminder to everybody here: Do > NOT open any > suspicious e-mail attachment, even if it is from > somebody you know > and trust. Be alert, and save yourself from the > headache of dealing > with a computer virus or worm! I had 15 in my bulk mail and another 2 in the inbox. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 19:26:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17189 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2003 02:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2003 02:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 02:26:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2003 02:25:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 02:25:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: First digital AM to broadcast in stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003801c36745$47b403d0$0301a8c0@OMNIBOOK> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 847 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Atlanta's WMLB aims to be the first digital AM to broadcast in > stereo. Maybe in Georgia, but certainly not nationally or internationally. But at this point, calling anything a "first" on any more than a local basis should be considered nothing more than a publicity gimmick, because IBOC and other "stereo"-capable digital AM systems have been tested for at least a decade now. In New York City, "Blink" 102.7 WNEW is now giving their hourly legal ID as something like "WNEW-FM New York...'s first station broadcasting in High Definition Radio" which is incorrent on two counts: first, they're licensed as simply "WNEW", *not* "WNEW-FM", and second, if you use the period since when IBOC started using the "HD Radio" consumer marketing name as the benchmark, then 710 WOR was New York City's first IBOC/HD Radio station, not WNEW. From atv69nj@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 20:27:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: atv69nj@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1590 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2003 03:27:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2003 03:27:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 03:27:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2003 03:25:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:25:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: First digital AM to broadcast in stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1124 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "atv69nj" X-Originating-IP: 67.82.114.53 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127038768 X-Yahoo-Profile: atv69nj Kevin - You are incorrect.. WNEW was transmitting IBOC long before WOR.. If I remember correctly, WNEW was used for the initial NRSC testing for IBOC. Thanks, Rob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Atlanta's WMLB aims to be the first digital AM to broadcast in > > stereo. > > Maybe in Georgia, but certainly not nationally or internationally. > But at this point, calling anything a "first" on any more than a > local basis should be considered nothing more than a publicity > gimmick, because IBOC and other "stereo"-capable digital AM systems > have been tested for at least a decade now. > > In New York City, "Blink" 102.7 WNEW is now giving their hourly legal > ID as something like "WNEW-FM New York...'s first station > broadcasting in High Definition Radio" which is incorrent on two > counts: first, they're licensed as simply "WNEW", *not* "WNEW-FM", > and second, if you use the period since when IBOC started using the > "HD Radio" consumer marketing name as the benchmark, then 710 WOR > was New York City's first IBOC/HD Radio station, not WNEW. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 23:27:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82899 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2003 06:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2003 06:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 06:27:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2003 06:27:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 06:27:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: First digital AM to broadcast in stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You are incorrect.. WNEW was transmitting IBOC long before WOR.. If > I remember correctly, WNEW was used for the initial NRSC testing > for IBOC. Correct-a-mundo... however, WNEW's liner doesn't mention IBOC, it mentions "HD Radio". Back then during WNEW's testing phase, circa 1999, IBOC wasn't known as "HD Radio". In fact, it was even before USA Digital Radio merged with Lucent to form "iBiquity". So, NYC's first station to transmit an IBOC signal under the guise of "HD Radio" was 710 WOR -- as I recall, 102.7 WNEW didn't start transmitting an "HD Radio" signal (or at least didn't let anyone know about it) until early this year, at least several months after WOR began transmitting the AM flavor of IBOC/HD Radio in October 2002. However, I wouldn't be surprised in WNEW claimed to be broadcasting in 3-D-Ultra-Cabellaphonic Digital Surround Sound, because their ratings are in the toilet -- their "Blink" format was launched by Infinity with lots of hype and lots of hope, but listeners gave since given them a collective yawn... and the end result is a 50,000-watt- equivalent FM station in the #1 market that can only scrape up an 0.7 rating in NYC -- low enough that even an out-of-market AM daytimer playing Adult Standards often ranks higher. From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Aug 21 06:22:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50599 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2003 13:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2003 13:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 13:22:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (d125-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.157]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h7LDMID83325 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 06:22:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 06:22:17 -0700 Subject: Mac machines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1061456450.1964.63936.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: <7C36942F-D3DA-11D7-840C-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Richard, That makes two of us who really don't care. I run a Mac also. I really hope that we don't see virii like the MS folks do. Kevin On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 02:00 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > I am so glad I use a Mac. > > Off the soapbox. > > Richard > Virus? What virus? From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 14:04:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48874 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2003 21:04:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2003 21:04:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80501.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 21:04:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20030821210333.46811.qmail@web80501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:03:33 PDT Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mac machines To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7C36942F-D3DA-11D7-840C-00050291D22F@fastq.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- kevin wrote: > Richard, > > That makes two of us who really don't care. I run a > Mac also. > > I really hope that we don't see virii like the MS > folks do. Or a Unix / Linux box. There have been Mac and Linux virus / worms put out, but they are rare. I have been getting hammered on this yahoo account, and they all are ending up in the BULK ( spam ) folder!!! I keep my Microsoft up to date RELIGIOUSLY with Windows Update. Even IF you have a Mac, this worm CAN annoying increase the mail you get. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Aug 22 07:16:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87673 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 14:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 14:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 14:16:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2003 14:15:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:15:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Heathkit PT-1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4799 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Jose, I haven't forgotten to email you a schematic. The digital=20 camera [HP Photosmart 720] that I had ordered turned out to be a=20 lemon - I've never seen such fuzzy out of focus pictures - so now=20 I've sent it back to North Carolina [We Save U Save] to get a=20 replacement which will hopefully be fully tested before its=20 shipped!=20=20 As well, I just ordered a reproduction of the full Heathkit Manual=20 for the PT-1. The manual has the frequency response curves etc.=20 which likely will be of interest to others as well.=20=20 I installed a current inrush limiter in my PT-1 with excellant=20 results. If you have any further PT-1 related questions, feel free to ask. Phil R. P.S. provided I can get yahoo groups to work properly to create a=20 new group - I'm looking at starting a group for Heathkit AM/FM=20 tuners - not just the PT-1, but all the other tube Heathkit AM/FM=20 tuners. In addition to the PT-1, I have an AJ-11 - its FM is good,=20 but its AM is sickly. It's only a 10 tube [plus 2 magic eyes tubes]=20 rig. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "tubesareking" =20 wrote: > Hello Jose and others who are interested: >=20 > Here is the list of tubes for the PT-1, from the Sams Photofact: >=20 > V1 FM RF Amp 6BS8 (6BZ7) > V2 FM mixer 6AB4 > V3 FM Osc and FM AFC 12AT7 > [V1, V2 and V3 are indeed on the FM metal sub chassis] > V4 1st FM IF amp EF94/6AU6 > V5 2nd FM IF amp EF94/6AU6 > V6 3rd FM IF amp EF94/6AU6 > V7 1st FM limiter EF94/6AU6 > V8 2nd FM limiter EF94/6AU6 > V9 Discriminator EB91/6AL5 > V10 AM RF amp 6BA6 > V11 AM converter 6BE6 > V12 1st AM IF amp 6BA6 > V13 2nd AM IF amp 6BA6 > V14 AVC amp 6AU6 > V15 AVC Rect and tuning indicator amp ECC82/12AU7 > V16 FM Cath follower and AM cath follower ECC82/12AU7 >=20 > Note there is no tube rectifier or AM detector. The PT-1 uses=20 solid=20 > state power rectifiers (2) 1N1763 and solid state signal diodes (2) > 1N264.=20=20 > As you can see by the tube and semi-conductor lineup, this is a=20 very=20 > high performance rig, when working properly. >=20 > My PT-1, after 40 years and a trip of about 2000 miles in a fairly=20 > poorly padded box [just newspaper, no bubblewrap!] is still more=20 > sensitive than any solid state tuner I have yet experienced on=20 FM.=20=20 > Imagine if it had a professional alignment!!! While I'm comfy=20 doing=20 > an AM alignment, once I have an RF signal generator, I'd leave FM=20 > alignment to a seasoned pro. Right now, with a crude antenna, I=20 can=20 > pick up a 37 watt FM transmitter with minimal height [the=20 > Confederation Bridge info station] 30 plus air miles away. Not=20 too=20 > shabby. All the Halifax 100kwers I can pick up here 70% of the=20 time=20 > with the PT-1 - that's about 100 air miles away, with a mountain=20 > chain in the middle! Basically, I've been able to DX just about=20 > every major FM station in the Maritimes, when anything else was=20 just=20 > getting locals and near locals - e.g. 60 mile radius. These rigs=20 are=20 > scortchers on FM. FM Drift is a factor, of course, until it warms=20 up. >=20 > AM is sensitive, but not as remarkable as the FM sound. The AM=20 > sound, however, is truly remarkable. It is possible to modify=20 them=20 > for AM stereo with one of Chris Cuff's decoder boards. When done,=20 > the fidelity is superb. >=20 > You have never heard real AVC until you try a PT-1 [well, maybe=20 with=20 > the exception of a Collins R-390.] >=20 > I hope to be able to forward you a copy of the schematic in the=20 not=20 > too distant future. >=20 > Phil R. > PEI Canada > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jose" =20 wrote: > > Hi Phil, > >=20 > > Thanks for reply and info. > > Can you confirm the 3 tube over the metal sub chasis are 6BS8,=20 6AB4=20 > > and 12AT7 ???. I am getting the data sheets for the 16 tubes. > >=20 > > My intention is to fit the PT-1 here in Geneva-CH and next time=20 I=20 > go=20 > > home (Sevilla-Spain) to put aside my radioamateur station. There=20 I=20 > > have various FM and 2 meters band antennas in the top of a tower=20 36=20 > > feet hight. I have several vintage tuner/receivers but this one=20 > seems=20 > > to me in good condition (for a value of ...$0)and I think it=20 > deserve=20 > > a try despite of 16 missed tube. > >=20 > > The line fuse is broken and the ferrite antenna also missing. No=20 > > obvious damage, PCB=B4s are fine and solder joints too. Mechanical=20 > > tunning mechanism need a lub. Last nigth I get problem with the=20 > front=20 > > face removal and fitting in place again because of the 2 white=20 > dial=20 > > indicator(AM&FM) to be placed again. I will test continuity in=20 the=20 > > transfo and a general deep check before purchase the tubes. > > I will appreciate your schematics.In the meantime you be able to=20 > get=20 > > schematics I will continue to collect info abt AM stereo. > >=20 > > Best Regards > > Jose/EA7BUU from Geneva-CH From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Aug 22 07:41:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45231 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 14:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 14:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 14:41:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2003 14:40:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:40:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT - Heathkit AM/FM tube tuners group Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 580 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking This is off topic, but to the extent we work on installing decoder boards for AM Stereo - it could be on topic! I've just set up a new yahoo group devoted to Heathkit AM/FM tube tuners - you know, the PT-1, AJ-30, AJ-11 etc. etc. If you are interested in the AM only or FM only Heathkit tuners, you are also welcome. Here is how to find this group: groups.yahoo.com/group/heathkitamfmtubetuners/ As time goes by, I hope to have schematics, pictures etc. available. Anyone on the AM Stereo Forum who is interested in these rigs is welcome to join. Phil R. PEI Canada From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Fri Aug 22 08:29:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48727 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 15:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 15:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 15:29:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2003 15:28:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:28:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FRance Bleu stream in stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 203 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.1.52 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I didnt realize how simple it was to get going. I'll leave it running for an hour or so. 128k so only for DSL users. http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls? rn=8744584&file=filename.pls From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 13:12:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80096 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 20:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 20:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 20:12:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20030822201236.23112.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:12:36 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CQuam Talk on the BE Radio Website To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Cut & paste the whole long link to read more talk about AM stereo on the BE Radio website: http://beradio.com/microsites/magazinearticle.asp?magazinearticleid=179088&srid=11383&pageid=5909&Siteid=15&magazineid=135 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From n0uiheric@aol.com Fri Aug 22 13:32:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71140 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 20:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 20:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 20:32:35 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.b2.21502840 (17228) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:32:05 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: First digital AM to broadcast in stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Then, it wouldn't be a bad idea for 102.7 WNEW to go Adult Standards! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Fri Aug 22 14:30:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73190 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 21:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 21:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 21:30:28 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c368f4$fa5fd800$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030822201236.23112.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQuam Talk on the BE Radio Website Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:33:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It's always gratifying to see there are folks outside our group who also have an interest in AMS. Did you invite him to join us, Johnny-E.? OT- I read down to the bottom and saw the comments on the Western Electric FM by Al Murray of WRFW. Got a chance to see it once, and was even offered to me, but at the time (mid 70s) I had no idea of how to get it out of the basement of the building it was in, and had yet to meet anyone who had done anything like that (such as Mike Dorrough.) I would have LOVED to have gotten it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > Cut & paste the whole long link to read more talk about AM stereo on the BE > Radio website: > > http://beradio.com/microsites/magazinearticle.asp?magazinearticleid=179088&s rid=11383&pageid=5909&Siteid=15&magazineid=135 > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 17:56:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30361 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 00:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 00:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 00:56:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2003 00:56:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 00:56:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CQuam Talk on the BE Radio Website Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030822201236.23112.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 195 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Cut & paste the whole long link to read more talk about AM stereo > on the BE Radio website: Thanks to TinyURL, here is the same link in a much more friendly size: http://tinyurl.com/kwqx From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Aug 22 21:09:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27052 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 04:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 04:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 04:09:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2003 04:08:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 04:08:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQuam Talk on the BE Radio Website Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c368f4$fa5fd800$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4983 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > It's always gratifying to see there are folks outside our group who also > have an interest in AMS. Did you invite him to join us, Johnny-E.? > > OT- I read down to the bottom and saw the comments on the Western Electric > FM by Al Murray of WRFW. Got a chance to see it once, and was even offered > to me, but at the time (mid 70s) I had no idea of how to get it out of the > basement of the building it was in, and had yet to meet anyone who had done > anything like that (such as Mike Dorrough.) I would have LOVED to have > gotten it. > > Scott Todd "Fond Memories" indeed, I remember that very transmitter when it was at WIBA-FM, I think it was the 10 kW model. It was originally installed in the 1940s on a high hill well outside of town, to maximize the area covered, as was often the custom in the early days of FM. In the case of WIBA-FM the location was the Blue Mounds state park where it was installed along with a Western Electric 8 bay clover leaf antenna with half wave spacing, which gave them an ERP of slightly over 40 kW if I remember correctly. When FM went bust in the early 1950s I think they shut it down, although I was only in grade school at the time, and we didn't have an FM radio, so I don't know the details for sure. AT&T then used the tower for an intercity microwave relay site, although the FM clover leaf antenna remained at least through the 1960s. A 1950s style "Bomb/Fallout Shelter" sign was also added to the former transmitter building. In the mid 1990s, someone who had visited the state park, asked on one of the usenet radio groups about the WIBA radio station "Bomb Shelter" they had seen at the park, so I assume there was still something there that identified it as the old WIBA-FM site. Some time in the late 1950's they moved the transmitter to their AM site close to town, and put a 4 bay RCA BFA antenna on their daytime AM tower, which is more than 200 degrees high. They re licensed it and ran an ERP of 11 kW at the AM site. This must have been sometime around 1958 or later, as I think that is about the time RCA came out with the BFA antenna. It is also about the time I got a Heathkit FM-3 tuner, and WIBA-FM was not on the air when I first got the FM tuner. They sometimes used TPO rather than ERP in their nighttime sign off message, and a 4.0 kW or 4.5 kW TPO sticks in my mind. I seem to remember that I called the engineer to ask why they were running the transmitter at less than half power, and I believe he confirmed that they were not operating the transmitter at its maximum capability, although I don't remember why, and also that the transmission line loss was relatively high, as the tower was the most distant one in the AM array, from the transmitter house. As I remember it they had the Western Electric FM transmitter installed with its back to what had been the front door of the transmitter house, so you could see the rear side "guts" of the transmitter through the large window in the front door of the transmitter house. If anyone has any more information on the dates of the WIBA-FM shut down at Blue Mounds, and the startup at the WIBA-AM site, as well as the power used at the AM site, I would be interested in hearing the details. WWFC, now WOLX, also used the same Western Electric transmitter and antenna combination in the Baraboo Bluffs, and is now a grandfathered class B FM with an antenna height/power combination higher than is now authorized for class B FM stations. I have always felt that these Western Electric "Transview" Transmitters were the most beautiful broadcast transmitters ever built, with their glass doors that put all the inner workings of the transmitter on display, and the very large round meters along the top edge of the transmitter. The 10 kW model was especially attractive with the Final PA cabinet flanked on one side by the exciter cabinet, and on the other by the power supply cabinet. The final tube was mounted in a low pedestal in the center, with the tuned lines for the grounded plate "PA" extending upward from the tube pedestal to the top of the cabinet, with an open uncluttered space surrounding. Western Electric used the Crosby direct FM modulator developed by RCA, and the AFC system used a motor driven variable capacitor. Western Electric had used this same system in their pre war transmitters, and RCA came out with a very similar AFC system in their post war FM, and Television Aural transmitters, perhaps it was a quid pro quo with Western electric for the use of the Crosby direct FM modulator? All in all they were really cool transmitters, one can only wonder what Western Electric would have done had the Government not put them out of the transmitter business. Well actually I guess we know, they have developed the "IBOC" digital stereo broadcasting system for AM and FM. John From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Aug 22 22:33:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46276 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 05:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 05:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.112) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 05:33:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:33:21 -0700 Received: from 172.158.221.106 by bay7-dav8.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 05:33:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <107.26213ef8.2c76e3d6@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Power's Back On- where's CC's Generators? Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 01:32:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2003 05:33:21.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[10EC6A00:01C36938] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.158.221.106] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: >The mass revocation of all of CC's licenses will be no big deal; they don't get good ratings, anyway. Eric, While I do agree with your wanting to get rid of the Clear Channel beast, you have proven once again that you have no idea what you are talking about. Let's take a look at the Arbitron ratings of the Number 59 Market, Greenville-Spartanburg, SC. I am sure it is typical of other medium markets. Clear Channel has the number one station, WESC pulling a 9.5 share. CC also has the number two station, WSSL pulling a 8.1. CC has the number Nine station, WMYI pulling a 4.2. CC has the number 18 station, WBZT pulling a 1.1 Out of market CC owned WKSF is number 23 pulling a 0.6 CC owned WGVL is number 28 with a Spanish format pulling a 0.6 and the Number 31 station is Clear Channel owned WLFJ pulling a 0.4. Clear Channel pulled a total of a 24.5 share on the Summer book! I sure wouldn't call that BAD ratings! CC's next closest competitor, Entercom, pulled a combined 18.4 share with WFBC, WORD/WYRD, WSPA AM & FM, and WOLI/WOLT. Kevin From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Aug 23 04:59:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72275 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 11:59:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 11:59:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 11:59:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2003 11:58:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:58:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Australian am stereo specification Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 170 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.6.205 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Someone is asking about this. What is the Aussie site which gives all the details ? I remember reading it somewhere a few years ago. Nothing on the ABA site it seems.. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Aug 23 09:25:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28937 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 16:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 16:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 16:25:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2003 16:24:35 -0000 Date: 23 Aug 2003 16:24:34 -0000 Message-ID: <1061655874.31222.68479.w86@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /pdf/consolidated_tpgs_incl_ims22_12_1_.pdf Uploaded by : amymousie Description : For UK Dave: Australia's "Technical Planning Guidelines" as found on the Australian Broadcasting Authority website at: http://www.aba.gov.au/radio/services/licence_types/tpg/pdfrtf/consolidated_tpgs_incl_ims22_12_1_.pdf You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/consolidated_tpgs_incl_ims22_12_1_.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, amymousie From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 09:27:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40744 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 16:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 16:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 16:27:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2003 16:26:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:26:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Australian am stereo specification Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 408 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > Someone is asking about this. What is the Aussie site which gives > all the details ? I remember reading it somewhere a few years ago. > Nothing on the ABA site it seems.. Oh, I found it for you at the ABA website, and uploaded it to the Files section, into the PDF directory. The C-QUAM specification is in it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 06:14:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49607 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2003 13:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2003 13:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80513.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2003 13:14:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20030824131401.63895.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80513.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 06:14:01 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 06:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Boston Acoustics radio = Recepter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <107.26213ef8.2c76e3d6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW $159 for a clock radio. Actually it's got enough audio to fill up a BIG room, and it sounds better than the Tivoli ones. The AM is wide enough to sound decent, and the FM is OK, though I can't tell. There is no line cord antenna, just a 75 ohm connector and a slinky wire to plug in. There's also a 300 ohm connector to go with the AM. Chris, have you gotten to play with one of these? List at $159 is too much to tear into for me! Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Aug 24 06:38:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73177 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2003 13:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2003 13:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.116) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2003 13:38:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 06:38:06 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:38:05 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Boston Acoustics radio = Recepter Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:38:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2003 13:38:06.0454 (UTC) FILETIME=[F30CF960:01C36A44] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Powell, Did you listen to the radio? I see there's a Tweeters in Greenville,SC that stocks it. I would love to see and hear it, but no Florida dealers stock it. The two things I would have reservations about, are no a.m. stereo (or fm stereo either) and no headphone jack. here's the url that shows a pic of the radio. http://www.bostonacoustics.com/hs_product.asp?productID=213 donn st petersburg _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Aug 24 07:38:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58043 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2003 14:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2003 14:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2003 14:38:56 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.77]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:38:44 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c36a4d$589fce80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20030824131401.63895.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Boston Acoustics radio = Recepter Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:38:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I haven't torn one of these apart yet. The two big problems right off the bat are : no stereo amp, and the price. The Tivoli PAL is already stereo capable, and has a good front end, plus no microprocessor hash to deal with. By the time you add a stereo amp to it, and modify it, you might as well get a Bose. Or a Memorex Boom Ball- even better, as they are so good for so cheap. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:14 AM Subject: {AMSF} Boston Acoustics radio = Recepter From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 08:24:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82956 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2003 15:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2003 15:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80501.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2003 15:24:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20030824152438.26624.qmail@web80501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:24:38 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Boston Acoustics radio = Recepter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002101c36a4d$589fce80$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Chris Cuff wrote: > I haven't torn one of these apart yet. The two big > problems right off the > bat are : no stereo amp, and the price. The Tivoli > PAL is already stereo > capable, and has a good front end, plus no > microprocessor hash to deal with. I was not impressed with the audio. It isn't very loud compared to the Boston Acoustics > By the time you add a stereo amp to it, and modify > it, you might as well > get a Bose. Or a Memorex Boom Ball- even better, as > they are so good for so > cheap. > cc I have a Memorex Boom Ball. The radio is fair. AND mine has some 60 hertz HUM. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Sun Aug 24 14:57:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51414 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2003 21:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2003 21:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2003 21:56:51 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c36a8a$fb70a340$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQuam Talk on the BE Radio Website Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:59:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude WRFW only used the exciter cabinet, and that's the only part I ever saw, but you're right about it being one nice transmitter. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "bta_50g" > > OT- I read down to the bottom and saw the comments on the Western Electric > > FM by Al Murray of WRFW. > "Fond Memories" indeed, I remember that very transmitter when it was > at WIBA-FM, I think it was the 10 kW model. From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Aug 24 16:11:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28514 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2003 23:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2003 23:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2003 23:09:38 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7ON9Rs04050 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:09:27 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7ON9R616092 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:09:27 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7ON9Qi16086 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:09:27 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:09:26 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47155@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: 10W PLL Locked AM Transmitter - Wideband Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:09:25 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day, I just found this on respected FM transmitter manufacturer, PCS Electronics site. http://www.pcs-electronics.com/en/products.php?sub=am_transmitters Looks good - not too pricey considering it's a full 10 watts ( $275.50 USD ) Also has something to offer HAMs as well (CW Input) Also how about turning your PC monitor into an AM transmitter using Linux?! http://www.pcs-electronics.com/schematics/tempest_for_eliza-1.0.5.tar.gz Not bad! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 17:27:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16818 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 00:27:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2003 00:27:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 00:27:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2003 00:26:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:26:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Boston Acoustics radio = Recepter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c36a4d$589fce80$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 597 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Or a Memorex Boom Ball- even better, as they are so good for so > cheap. Another radio I'd recommend for a possible AM Stereo conversion is the retro-styled TEAC "Rock Around the Clock" radio/CD player. It's a healthy-sized table radio whose built-in stereo speakers deliver a nice, rich sound, and the lighted tuning dial is a nice touch. I tried one in a store and while its AM tuner isn't exactly "hi-fi", it is at least pleasantly clear, and the analog tuning dial operates smoothly. Here's a web page with pictures and some more info: http://www.herringtoncatalog.com/as195.html From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 18:40:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3281 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 01:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2003 01:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 01:39:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2003 01:38:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:38:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 10W PLL Locked AM Transmitter - Wideband Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47155@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1402 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Also how about turning your PC monitor into an AM transmitter > using Linux?! Or how about a power supply "brick"? The one that came with my sister's Sony laptop radiates whistles and whines on the AM band which travel though the power lines like a carrier-current transmitter, and can be heard on my car radio at least a few hundred feet away from the house. Some computer monitors are much better than others when it comes to the amount and type of RF noise emitted. I have a 15-year-old Mitsubishi "Diamond Scan" monitor which hardly generates any radio interference, while I have a newer off-brand monitor which can even disrupt TV reception when in use! The real trick would be to get a complete computer system that's certified to the U.S. Military's "Tempest" specification. Tempest equipment is designed to produce the lowest possible level of RF noise, through the use of heavily shielded casing. I remember when used computer dealers were selling old IBM PC-AT computers that were built to the Tempest spec, and even today I'd like to get one, because you can easily rip out all the old 286-era hardware and install all new components. In fact, until recently I had a 200 MHz Cyrix 6x86 system stuffed into an original IBM AT case. It takes up a lot of desk space, but it's spacious inside and the original fan blows more than enough air to keep everything cool. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 21:24:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39183 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 04:24:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2003 04:24:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 04:24:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20030825042420.36501.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:24:20 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Leonard Kahn - FCC 99-325 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I tried to give our old buddy Leonard Kahn a boost at the FCC Electronic Comment Filing System 99-325 - maybe he'll get a few transmitters going yet - hope so! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From oscar@globility.com Mon Aug 25 08:15:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57319 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 15:15:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2003 15:15:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 15:15:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2003 15:14:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:14:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Pittsburgh got the message Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 151 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy O.T., but most welcome to me, and I'm sure to Phil as well. Thank you Pittsburgh! http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20030730sam0730p1.asp MS From oldphones@webtv.net Mon Aug 25 19:37:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82869 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2003 02:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2003 02:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2003 02:37:14 -0000 Received: from storefull-2115.public.lawson.webtv.net (lawson-public-ipmux-1-pip-7.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.98]) by smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 710E1BF27 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2115.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA01684; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:34:03 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETArAhNPm1VXQ2ELuu4/Itv4GQGG7ZHZAhRS9zQYUSEyHNs+dB0EDrnz169ghA== Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:34:02 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 828 Message-ID: <9930-3F4AC71B-2217@storefull-2115.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 25 Aug 2003 08:57:11 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 TEAC does have a really nice line of nostalgic looking radios AM/FM CD some are cassette, they have some hi-Fi models that incudes a 3 speed 33, 45, 78 rpm turntable! We had some of these set up for the recent dealer expo show last saturday. I guess the AM reception is okay on them, someone had one of these units turned to KOIL 1020 AM and it sounded fine. We are in a concrete and steel building. Many of these are in the TEAC "GF" series. Bill S. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From dav259@csiro.au Mon Aug 25 21:13:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66524 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2003 04:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2003 04:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2003 04:13:25 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7Q4DMY20935 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:13:22 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:13:22 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: 3MP gone for good Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Save a major renaissance somewhere sometime someplace Australia's former best performing AM stereo station has pulled the stereo plug forever. Over the last few weeks I've got to talk a couple of times to 3AK/3MP's new CEO so I thought today would be a good day to e-mail him specifically about 3MP resuming stereo. And he mentioned my message to 3MP's station manager and 3AK's engineer - and they both straight away asked did it come from me ... What a shame both haven't moved on to better things. So the CEO rang me to confirm their consensus that there are only "six" radios out there and they don't intend paying $10,000 p a for a second line to the transmitter. I said that I have six radios and know of five others who have them - but he wasn't impressed. I wish there was something we could do. Very sad ... Ian Melbourne From stodd@vippn.com Tue Aug 26 18:16:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72001 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 01:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 01:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 01:16:06 -0000 Message-ID: <002501c36c39$3239f2a0$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: Fw: God Bless AM Radio Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:18:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sent to me by a guy I used to work with. Confirms what we've been saying a= bout AM (at least in general.) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SLKrumlauf@NWC.EDU=20 God Bless AM Radio Maligned and forgotten, it proved its value last week By Harry A. Jessell Broadcasting & Cable 8/18/2003 Of the electronic media, AM radio is the most neglected. It was the=20 first, the progenitor of TV, FM, cable TV, satellite TV, VCRs, DVD and=20 the Internet. For three decades, from 1920 to about 1950, it was king.=20 But sometime in the 1950s, radio lost electronic supremacy to TV. And=20 then in the 1970s, AM fell behind FM. A lot of folks don't bother with=20 AM at all anymore. But last Thursday and Friday, at least in New York City, AM was on top=20 of the heap. When the power went out on a hot summer afternoon at 4:13=20 last Thursday, what you needed were a bottle of water and a=20 battery-powered portable radio with an AM tuner. Fortunately, I had=20 both. Actually, Tad Smith, one of our corporate executives had the=20 radio, but he held it out and passed it around so that all could hear=20 the news. It was the only way folks tumbling out of our building at 26th and Park=20 Ave. had of knowing what was going on after the lights and computer=20 flickered off. (By the way, for AM's temporary return to eminience, Smith's radio was=20 oddly suited. It was new model, but built to look like an AM-only=20 transistor of the early 1960s. In fact, as a radio from that time might,=20 its plastic housing proudly proclaimed that it was "Transistor"=E2=80=94the= n the=20 state of the art. ) Of course, Smith's radio had an FM tuner as all radios must these days,=20 but we kept it on AM. It was an AM day. As everyone kinda knows instinctly, AM is where you go when the power=20 goes out. After it lost the fidelity war with FM, AM reinvented itself=20 around news and talk. If you are lucky, you live in a town where one of=20 the AM stations still has reporters on the street and takes local news=20 seriously. New York is fortunate to have several. All Thursday night and into Friday, I stuck to WCBS, Infinity's all-news=20 station at 880 Khz. It had reporters scattered throughout Manhattan and=20 one circling overhead in a helicopter. None had much to say, but all=20 provided reassurance that things in Manhattan were not unraveling, that=20 people were behaving themselves and, without actually saying so, that=20 everything would be all right in the end. AM has some inherent disadvantages to FM. Not only does AM sound worse,=20 it is susceptible to noisy interference from lightning and electrical=20 devices of all kinds. You don't want to drive near the power lines=20 during a key moment in the ball game. The medium has been badly mistreated over the years. When radio makers=20 noticed that listeners were migrating to FM, they accelerated the march=20 by putting more money into the FM tuners and less into the AM. Some of=20 the AM tuners are so bad you wonder why the manufacturers still bother.=20 This is especially true of the tuners built into CD and tape players and=20 those little sports radios for joggers. The FCC has also damaged AM. For years, it had a policy of cramming as=20 many stations into the band as it could until it practically collapse=20 under its own weight. After a while, it was tough to find where one=20 station began and another ended, especially at night when AM signals=20 tend to go wild. For all that, AM still has some wonderful qualities. In every market,=20 there are still a handful of stations with the juice and the antennas to=20 lay down a signal powerful enough to pop from any radio, no matter how=20 cheaply built. And these signals know how to propagate, how to get into=20 every nook and cranny, and cover entire metropolitan areas seamlessly. AM ain't what she used to be, but it's still an important role player=20 and keeping the band strong and healthy is, I think, a matter of=20 national security. AM radios are cheap and ubiquitous and they require=20 little power. Should things really go bad in this country, AM is the=20 most surest way of reaching the citizenry. A handful of the old=20 clear-channel stations can cover the entire nation. And in a pinch you=20 can build a receiver with a handful of wire and some headphones. You=20 don't even need batteries. They say that after the apocalypse, after mankind finally destroys=20 itself in a nuclear holocaust, the hardiest species=E2=80=94the cockroach= =E2=80=94will=20 inherent the earth. If so, I know what they will be listening to. Even with AM, it was a trying few days in New York. We tried to return=20 to work on Friday morning, after a long night, but power wasn't restored=20 until Friday night. That meant the entire crew had to come in on=20 Saturday and work 10 hours (without air conditioning) to complete the=20 job. That you are reading this is testimony that we did. It was an extraordinary effort. For it, I'd like to thank our reporters=20 and editors, including those in Washington and Los Angeles who never=20 missed a beat and kept on reporting. I'd also like to thank the support=20 troops, the building managers and the IT and production staffers, and=20 our printer. They too went out of their way to make this magazine happen. Jessell may be reached at hjessell@reedbusiness.com =C2=A9 2002 Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All= =20 rights reserved. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Tue Aug 26 18:22:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18697 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 01:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 01:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 01:22:16 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c36c39$ff6ee820$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pittsburgh got the message Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:24:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'd like to hear Samantha debate the subject with Michael Medved. She'd be dismantled in a heartbeat. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr.M S" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:14 AM Subject: {AMSF} Pittsburgh got the message > O.T., but most welcome to me, and I'm sure to Phil as well. > Thank you Pittsburgh! > > http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20030730sam0730p1.asp > > MS > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Aug 26 20:11:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74729 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 03:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 03:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 03:11:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2003 03:10:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 03:10:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Old Radios Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 138 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Ran across these old radios on ebay although not stereo. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=932&item=2189019500 JSG From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Aug 27 16:59:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90163 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 23:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 23:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.123) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 23:59:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:56:38 -0700 Received: from 172.134.128.185 by bay7-dav19.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:56:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Hope this doesn't remove more music from the AM Airwaves. Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:56:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2003 23:56:38.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAFB4200:01C36CF6] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.134.128.185] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 From http://www1.allaccess.com/ ANSHELL MEDIA's new liberal talk network is talking to brokered ethnic format specialist MULTICULTURAL BROADCASTING with the goal of leasing time on LIU's stations to air the programming. The NEW YORK POST's JOHN MAINELLI reports that network head JON SINTON says the company, aiming for a JANUARY start, is in "substantive discussions" with JANEANE GAROFALO to appear on the network but that AL FRANKEN and BILL MAHER are too busy to do shows. LIU's NEW YORK stations include WPAT-A, WKDM-A, WNSW-A, and WZRC-A; he also owns stations in LOS ANGELES, WASHINGTON, and elsewhere. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 18:08:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58670 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 01:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2003 01:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 01:08:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2003 01:07:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:07:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hope this doesn't remove more music from the AM Airwaves. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 943 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > LIU's NEW YORK stations include WPAT-A, WKDM-A, WNSW-A, and WZRC-A; The last time Multicultural Broadcasting had a mainstream music format on any of its NYC-area AM stations was at least three years ago, when 1430 WNSW ended a one-year stint as Nostalgia music station "Sunny 1430" (in AM Stereo). All for of these stations are now Ethnic formats; weekend schedules vary, but during weekdays, 930 WPAT is mostly Spanish (with an IBOC signal), 1380 WKDM is Russian, 1430 WNSW is Korean, and 1480 WZRC is Chinese. The closest thing to a mainstream music format is Multicultural's WTTM 1680 AM Stereo in Princeton, NJ, playing South Asian (Indian) music, but with DJs and commercials mostly in English. In fact, I was listening the other day, and the DJ on WTTM even mentioned that their signal sounds just as good as FM, because WTTM's AM signal "sounds like stereo". Not quite a direct on-air promo for AM Stereo, but close! From pmountdx@att.net Wed Aug 27 19:59:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pmountdx@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6751 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 02:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2003 02:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net) (204.127.131.116) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 02:59:28 -0000 Received: from mtiwebc18 (mtiwebc18.worldnet.att.net[204.127.135.57]) by mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <20030828025858112006579ce>; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:58:58 +0000 Received: from [12.89.147.72] by mtiwebc18; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:58:57 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: God Bless AM Radio Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:58:57 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 25 2003) X-Authenticated-Sender: cG1vdW50ZHhAYXR0Lm5ldA== From: pmountdx@att.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=156228578 X-Yahoo-Profile: mount142 Well that was a terrific piece of writing. And while I do admit to tuning to FM, too, wherever I go, I also make sure to see what is interesting on the AM band, and even break out the tape deck when I find something live and local that I can't get in Central Jersey. Interesting that WCBS was on while WFAN was off. Long live AM! Paul Mount Morganville NJ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 22:30:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37124 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 05:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2003 05:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 05:30:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2003 05:30:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:30:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WOR: Then vs. now... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 765 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the New York Radio Message Board... Re: WOR Changes Posted by Bob Seeburg on August 27, 2003 at 23:45:25: In Reply to: WOR Changes posted by NeilStevens on August 27, 2003 at 09:51:47: How about starting with the dreadful audio. This past morning I tuned in Ed Walsh as he was coming out of a segment and they played approx 30sec of "Me and Mrs. Jones" Billy Paul. Back in late '72 when this song was current, it sounded excellent on WOR's weekend Hit Parade. Today, in the so-called "digital age" it was just awful, over compressed, screeching full of the scratchy distortion that plagued WOR since they implemented iboc. There was no musical definition, just a wash of noise. Even at WOR, it's 2003 and there is no excuse for audio like this. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 01:26:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21684 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 08:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2003 08:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41015.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 08:26:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20030828082630.42529.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.17.243] by web41015.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:26:30 PDT Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3MP gone for good To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Hit them with e-mails. It sounds like their engineer is LAZY! 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Thu Aug 28 18:22:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90412 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 01:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2003 01:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 01:22:20 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c36dc9$397922c0$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: OT-Fw: DON DAVIS Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:02:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DON DAVISWell, slightly OT, as it concerns the little guys in radio ownersh= ip. Found it linked at Radio Business Report. ST ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Todd=20 To: stodd@vippn.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:21 AM Subject: DON DAVIS DON DAVIS KKJY RADIO 307 LOS RANCHOS NW. ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO 87107 (505)899-5029 joyam @ comcast.net August 18, 2003 =20 Senator John McCain 241 Russell Senate Ofc. Bldg Washington DC 20510 =20 Dear Senator McCain: =20 I own and personally operate AM station KKJY in Albuquerque, the only local= ly owned station in our area that has competitive ratings and revenue in ou= r marketplace of 52 stations. I call my station JOY AM 1550. =20 I am writing to express my concern over an issue that terrifies me as a loc= al owner of a radio station; the issue of fines that are routinely issued b= y the Federal Communications Commission, almost always to small independent= operators of radio stations. =20 The FCC rate structure for fines for violations of FCC rules does not take = into account the size of the company that operates a station. Therefore, i= f I am missing paperwork in my station=92s public file for example, as a lo= cal owner in Albuquerque, I am subject to the same $10,000 fine as the larg= est owner of stations who holds over 1,000 licenses and operates radio stat= ions in the nation=92s largest cities. =20 For the large companies, such fines may simply be treated as a routine busi= ness expense, representing perhaps a half-hour=92s revenue on the largest s= tations, but for a small independent operator such as myself, a fine of thi= s size represents a crushing blow. As I mentioned above, most fines to rad= io stations imposed by the FCC are to small independent operators of statio= ns, the very type of ownership you are working so hard to promote.=20 =20 In Albuquerque, Henry Tafoya, the local Hispanic owner of KDEF, has operate= d his AM station in the local public interest for ten years. His station h= as proudly and successfully survived in a sea of corporate competitors. He= nry is personally on his station live each morning, personally sells advert= ising on his station, and personally almost daily does locally sponsored an= d supported live broadcasts of local events like little league baseball and= high school football.=20=20 =20 (next page) August 18, 2003 Letter to Senator John McCain Page 2 =20 =20 In the midst of this long history of community service, Henry recently rece= ived a fine from the FCC of $21,000 (yes, twenty-one thousand dollars), one= of the absolutely largest fines ever assessed against any radio station op= erator by the FCC in history. This fine is public knowledge, the text of = which is available to anyone on the FCC website. This forfeiture will now = be collected by a very powerful collection system including the Department = of Justice and the Internal Revenue Service, and threatens Henry=92s radio = station, its valuable local community service, and the love of his professi= onal life, with extinction. I fear that Mr. Tafoya could be forced through= financial pressure to eventually sell his station to one of the large corp= orate operators of radio stations. =20 Senator McCain, while you are working to establish greater individual and m= inority ownership of radio stations, I submit that these FCC fines fly in t= he face of your efforts to preserve local independent ownership of radio st= ations. Therefore, I request that you consider this very serious issue of = FCC fines against local owners of stations. These fines, which are relative= ly common, comprise a very real threat to those of us who are fortunate eno= ugh to operate independent, locally owned radio stations.=20=20 =20 Sanctions of some nature (fines or otherwise) for rule violations are certa= inly appropriate. However, for an operator like me to potentially receive = a fine of $10,000 for missing paperwork in my public file while the nation= =92s largest radio operators may receive a fine of $10,000 for the same vio= lation simply does not make sense, particularly with regard to the preserva= tion of local ownership of radio stations. I sincerely and respectfully re= quest that you employ whatever influence you may find appropriate to persua= de the FCC to adopt a much more graduated fine structure. The fines as cur= rently enforced are outlined in 47 CFR Chapter 1, Section 1.80 of the Feder= al Communications Commission Rules. =20 While I know and respect Henry Tafoya, I am not writing this letter with hi= s prior knowledge, although I will be sending him a copy, along with all th= e FCC Commissioners, my Senators and Congressperson, and numerous radio tra= de and local publications.=20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 (next page) =20 =20 August 18, 2003 Letter to Senator John McCain Page 3 =20 =20 Senator McCain, I ask you and anyone receiving a copy of this letter or rea= ding it to do anything in your power to have the fine against Mr. Tafoya an= d his locally owned and operated station KDEF reduced or eliminated. As th= e fine was assessed at the staff level at the FCC, it may also be redacted = at the same or any higher level. Mr. Tafoya absolutely does not deserve th= is devastating FCC sanction, and in the interest of preserving his valuable= local radio service to the citizens of Albuquerque and the children involv= ed in local sports in our area, I sincerely hope this plea is answered in M= r. Tafoya=92s favor. Also, I ask that as you explore the issue of local in= dependent ownership of radio stations, that you work with the Federal Commu= nications Commission to change the current system of flat FCC fines to a gr= aduated system, which will more fairly address the thousands of small local= ly owned and operated radio stations across the nation such as mine =96 JOY= AM 1550 in Albuquerque. =20 =20 Sincerely, =20 =20 =20 =20 Don Davis Local owner, Radio Station KKJY, JOY AM 1550 Albuquerque, New Mexico =20 =20 Copies to: =20 FCC Chairman Michael K. Powell FCC Commissioner Kathleen Q. Abernathy FCC Commissioner Michael J. Copps FCC Commissioner Kevin J. Martin FCC Commissioner Jonathan S. Adelstein New Mexico Senator Pete V. Domenici Senator Jeff Bingaman Congresswoman Heather Wilson Henry Tafoya, KDEF Radio Trade publications Local print publications =20 Permission is hereby granted to anyone for publication and reproduction of = this letter for any purpose only in its entirety. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 18:38:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43014 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 01:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2003 01:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 01:38:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2003 01:38:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:37:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC demo: "Please check back later"... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 554 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Any guesses as to how many days/weeks/months it will be before we can hear a sample of the "new, improved" IBOC audio codec? http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/hdradio_experience.htm However, the old PAC demo is still active, if you know the back-door address: http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/swf/exp_hd_radio.swf But of course, good ol' C-Quam AM Stereo easily puts IBOC to shame: http://www.1240keva.com/airchecks Comparing the 1983 technology of AM Stereo with the 2003 technology of IBOC, one has to wonder... is this progress, or regression? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 05:37:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38075 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 12:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2003 12:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 12:37:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20030829123702.9928.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:37:02 PDT Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT-Fw: DON DAVIS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Big bucks for the little guy, and then you have those filth-mouthed boys from Infinity that cried about paying $10K when they had graphic trash on the radio - Don's right = something is seriously wrong with their "system" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Aug 29 07:28:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97343 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 14:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2003 14:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 14:28:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2003 14:28:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:28:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT - Thrifty is "iffy"? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 641 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking What would you think of a radio station that, rather than building a transmitter building for its new 20kw FM transmitter, simply modified [e.g. added a door and cooling vents] to a large shipping container - the large steel types used on container ships, and often piggy-backed onto 18 wheelers to journey inland? What would you think, given that this station is in an area that gets lots of snow in winter, and lots of rain in the spring and fall, and this year, in the summer too? I know these containers are supposed to be weather tight, but it sounds pretty cheap for a 75 kw FM station! It is not a pretty picture! Phil R. From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Aug 29 07:50:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44896 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 14:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2003 14:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 14:50:58 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:50:33 -0600 Message-ID: <001c01c36e3c$e63bfcd0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Thrifty is "iffy"? Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:50:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VERY interesting that you should mention that, Phil. Just to the west of us over in Utah we have several stations set up exactly that way. They are weather-tight. And we're talking on top of a mountain peak......LOTS of snow. Not really too bad to be honest with ya. I was impressed. It works. Up on Promontory Peak in the Great Salt Lake, stations KRAR and KUDD are two 67kw stations and each is located in its own "container" like the one you describe. There's also a 3rd one up there that houses the diesel-fueled generator. Meanwhile down below in Plain City, Utah....there's one that houses two transmitters in it. They both are diplexed into one tower. KSOS-AM 800's 1kw old Gates transmitter, and a much newer Harris 10kw transmitter for 1660 KXOL. Didn't seem like too bad of a setup to me. And they're all still standing today and it's been about 20 years. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: tubesareking To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 8:28 AM Subject: {AMSF} OT - Thrifty is "iffy"? What would you think of a radio station that, rather than building a transmitter building for its new 20kw FM transmitter, simply modified [e.g. added a door and cooling vents] to a large shipping container - the large steel types used on container ships, and often piggy-backed onto 18 wheelers to journey inland? What would you think, given that this station is in an area that gets lots of snow in winter, and lots of rain in the spring and fall, and this year, in the summer too? I know these containers are supposed to be weather tight, but it sounds pretty cheap for a 75 kw FM station! It is not a pretty picture! Phil R. Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 08:04:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83586 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 15:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2003 15:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 15:04:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2003 15:04:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:04:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC: "Still a noisy mess" Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 861 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the latest edition of Radio World..... Still a noisy mess Even if the codec is finally fixed, there are still troubling issues hounding AM as Ibiquity continues with the HD-R rollout. The effects of adjacent-channel interference, especially from skywave, remain problematic and controversial. As stations come on the air with AM HD-R, the band will fill up with digital hash. Many stations are bound to be affected by this and will experience loss of both day and nighttime analog coverage to varying degrees. If stations pay attention and choose to press the FCC for relief, the growth of AM HD-R could be seriously hampered. Implementing the hybrid phase of this technology will be messy and not without ongoing controversy and delay. The full article can be read at: http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/guywire/gw-08-28-03.shtml From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 10:36:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93376 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 17:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2003 17:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 17:36:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2003 17:35:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:35:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Panasonic AM Stereo generator on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 185 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics A bit pricey for the C-Quam-only version, but it will definitely produce the best-sounding AM Stereo you've ever heard: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2554635122 From n0uiheric@aol.com Fri Aug 29 22:04:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18611 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2003 05:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2003 05:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2003 05:04:29 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.3e.343e928b (17228) for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3e.343e928b.2c818a53@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:04:19 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: "Still a noisy mess" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's time for everyone (both the IBOC and DRM forces) to give up on systems that are INCOMPATIBLE with our current receivers. Besides, most people will never be able to afford digital radio receivers (look no further than the high prices for digital TV sets; the lowest price I've seen for a digital TV set is $700). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 21:27:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44436 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 04:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 04:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 04:27:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20030831042705.58064.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:27:05 PDT Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From the WSM Website: "WSM became Nashville's first AM stereo station on December 6, 1982 before WSM-FM made its debut as "Nashville 95 FM - "The New Country" the following month." BTW, they have a smokin' webcast of WSM on the net - but it IS in stereo - so that's a good enough reason to restore stereo on their 1-A clear channel 650 frequency! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 21:52:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12690 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 04:52:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 04:52:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 04:52:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2003 04:51:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 04:51:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030831042705.58064.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 517 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > From the WSM Website: "WSM became Nashville's first AM stereo station on > December 6, 1982 before WSM-FM made its debut as "Nashville 95 FM - "The New > Country" the following month." > > BTW, they have a smokin' webcast of WSM on the net - but it IS in stereo - so > that's a good enough reason to restore stereo on their 1-A clear channel 650 > frequency! They dropped C-QUAM because they want to go IBOC. :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Aug 30 22:19:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72391 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 05:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 05:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 05:19:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:19:45 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 05:19:44 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 05:19:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2003 05:19:45.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D658200:01C36F7F] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 In responding to John P of Toledo, Amy of California said of WSM's poor excuse of not returning to stereo: >They dropped C-QUAM because they want to go IBOC. :P ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm not doubting that that is their official excuse, but it doesn't really make any sense, since they already have all the wiring in place for stereo. The reviews I've read from engineers in general on IBOC, is that the new coding is listenable and not as horrible as the old coding; hardly a glowing review; and why anyone would just sit and wait for a sub-mediocre sounding stereo system, when there is an excellent sounding one in place defies any logic. I guess it's a good thing that in the 1940's and early 1950's tv stations just didn't leave the air, waiting for a color system to come online. If that lame excuse holds any water, then why do the vast majority of fm stations continue to broadcast in stereo, while Ibiquity struggles to get it's act together, as one deadline after another is not met?? There must be more to that tired excuse than meets the eye. That ranks right up there with "the dog ate my homework!" excuse. donn st petersburg,fl _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC: Get a free online virus scan at McAfee.com. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From narkspud@hotmail.com Sat Aug 30 23:22:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21645 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 03:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 03:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 03:30:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2003 03:30:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 03:30:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 10 kHz on Sony ST-JX220A? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 199 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 65.56.254.193 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud I just scored me one at a thrift store . . . now how do I explain to the fool thing that this is America and I'd appreciate frequencies with zeros at the end? Thanks for your assistance. narkspud From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Aug 31 04:54:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59460 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 08:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 08:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 08:37:05 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.16]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 04:29:03 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c36f99$d0f4f620$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 10 kHz on Sony ST-JX220A? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 04:28:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I know there is a way to do it- Alex K has one, and the instructions showed how to do it, but he is not in contact with anyone anymore. Our service center has computer access, but their system crashed this past week- as soon as it goes back online, I can look there. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: narkspud To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 11:30 PM Subject: {AMSF} 10 kHz on Sony ST-JX220A? > I just scored me one at a thrift store . . . now how do I explain to > the fool thing that this is America and I'd appreciate frequencies > with zeros at the end? > > Thanks for your assistance. > narkspud From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Aug 31 06:13:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51350 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 13:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 13:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 13:13:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2003 13:13:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:13:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030831042705.58064.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 919 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.203 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > From the WSM Website: "WSM became Nashville's first AM stereo station on > December 6, 1982 before WSM-FM made its debut as "Nashville 95 FM - "The New > Country" the following month." > > BTW, they have a smokin' webcast of WSM on the net - but it IS in stereo - so > that's a good enough reason to restore stereo on their 1-A clear channel 650 > frequency! Why go to the trouble and expense of transmitting in AM stereo, especially if there is the slightest chance of any reduction in coverage, considering that there are so very few people equipped to listen in AM stereo, and becoming fewer every day. When IBOC becomes fully operational the situation will turn around. It makes sense to webcast in stereo because unlike the situation with AM radios, most contemporary computers are equipped for stereo reproduction. John From zebra@strangeanimals.net Sun Aug 31 06:42:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25771 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 08:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 08:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 08:43:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2003 08:43:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:43:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 10 kHz on Sony ST-JX220A? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 472 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiozebra" X-Originating-IP: 64.81.68.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > I just scored me one at a thrift store . . . now how do I explain to > the fool thing that this is America and I'd appreciate frequencies > with zeros at the end? > > Thanks for your assistance. > narkspud I wish I could offer specific instructions. But there is a key sequence that will do this. Try holding down a button while powering it up. +tune or -tune would be my first guess. -mike From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Aug 31 07:21:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80276 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 14:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 14:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 14:21:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2003 14:21:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:21:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 10 kHz on Sony ST-JX220A? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.8.182 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > I just scored me one at a thrift store . . . now how do I explain to > the fool thing that this is America and I'd appreciate frequencies > with zeros at the end? > > Thanks for your assistance. > narkspud Switch off then Hold down the Tuning + button together with the power button for 10khz spacing From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 09:53:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41159 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 16:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 16:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 16:53:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2003 16:51:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:51:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1833 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > Why go to the trouble and expense of transmitting in AM stereo, > especially if there is the slightest chance of any reduction in > coverage, considering that there are so very few people equipped to > listen in AM stereo, and becoming fewer every day. When IBOC becomes > fully operational the situation will turn around. For one, there is NO reduction in signal when using C-QUAM, since extra power is needed to generate a quadrature AM signal, as it's transparent to monaural AM without any degradation. Secondly, the AM stereo receiver saturation is the SAME as for broadcast television stereo audio- In the range of 10-15%. (The problem is, even those who do have it don't -care- if they do or not. Stereo is not a concern.) Thirdly, the "Big Three" automakers are still putting C-QUAM-equipped car stareos into their models. Fourthly, IBOC is problematic on quite a few fronts, not the least of which is quality o0f audio, quality of signal, and quality of service. IBOC is a joke, and an embarassment to everyone. Unlike C- QUAM, which is co-carrier, and thus no loss of power (hence no loss of coverage), IBOC is SUBCARRIER-based, and following the rule of power distribution in an FM carrier, the IBOC subcarriers must take away a small bit of modulation power. I have nothing against using digital for broadcast, when it's done right, and transparently to the user, but AM IBOC, especially, is a big mistake, and does far more harm than good. I already fear that even this group is losing faith in genuine AM stereo, which has been leaving this particular mousie depressed-- and noticably quiet, if you hgadn't noticed. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Aug 31 11:07:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93231 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 16:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 16:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 16:06:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2003 16:05:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:05:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 953 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" < florida_amstereo@h...> wrote: > > I guess it's a good thing that in the 1940's and early 1950's tv > stations just didn't leave the air, waiting for a color system to > come online. Why would they leave the air, there was a large audience watching in Black and White. Are you implying that WSM should leave the air if they don't broadcast in stereo? When IBOC is fully implemented the lack of stereo problem will probably go away. > If that lame excuse holds any water, then why do the vast majority > of fm stations continue to broadcast in stereo The majorty of radios with FM also receive FM stereo, making it worthwhile to transmit in that mode. Most AM radios, getting to be fewer and fewer each day, receive AM stereo, so there is not much point in using the AM stereo mode, especially if one is worried about possible loss of coverage, not that there really is much. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Aug 31 15:43:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8568 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 13:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 13:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 13:25:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2003 13:25:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:24:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 565 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.203 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" < florida_amstereo@h...> wrote: > > I guess it's a good thing that in the 1940's and early 1950's tv > stations just didn't leave the air, waiting for a color system to > come online. Are you saying that WSM has gone off the air, that is what you are implying? > If that lame excuse holds any water, then why do the vast majority > of fm stations continue to broadcast in stereo Most FM receivers are equipped to receive FM stereo, while few AM receivers aren't equipped for AM stereo reception. John From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Aug 31 16:34:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58543 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 15:06:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 15:06:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 15:06:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (d170-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.202]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h7VF5tD19423 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:05:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:05:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Tucson, AZ AM stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8A634452-DBC4-11D7-A4EA-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Went to Tucson yesterday. There are NO AM stereo stations in Tucson. The only audible stereo station there is XENY 760 Nogales, Sonora, Mexico. Kevin Mesa, AZ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 16:43:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99274 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 22:17:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 22:17:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 22:17:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2003 22:16:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:16:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2697 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Why would they leave the air, there was a large audience watching > in Black and White. Actually, a good number of UHF TV and FM radio stations did go off the air in the 1950s, because there weren't enough people watching or listening to them. UHF station WICC-TV in Connecticut once put their phone number on the screen and said that the first person to call would win $100 (in 1950s dollars, mind you!). No one called, and the station soon went dark. This was because these were new broadcasting services which required new dedicated receivers -- much like today's XM and Sirirus satellite radio (both of which continue to be in serious financial trouble, BTW). This does not apply to AM Stereo, where full compatibility with existing mono receivers is maintained, and in fact often actually *improves* the quality offered by mono receivers, because of the greater technical standards that properly engineered AM Stereo stations are held to. > When IBOC is fully implemented the lack of stereo problem will > probably go away. We have yet to see or hear any proof that iBiquity's new "HDC" codec is "stereo". The previous PAC codec only produced limited stereo separation up to 4 kHz, which I would hardly call true "stereo" sound, since nearly three-quarters of its total 15 kHz audio response was reproduced in MONO. > The majorty of radios with FM also receive FM stereo, making it > worthwhile to transmit in that mode. Not with most modern car radios, which blend to mono so frequently on FM that only the very strongest signals are received with any audible amount of stereo separation. Indeed, many car radios don't even have an "ST" indicator anymore. > Most AM radios, getting to be fewer and fewer each day, receive > AM stereo, so there is not much point in using the AM stereo mode, The domestic automakers are making and selling thousands of new cars and trucks every month -- a good number of which are still equipped with AM Stereo-capable radios, including virtually all Chrysler and Ford Motor Co. vehicles which are ordered with the various "premium" audio systems. Are you claiming that people are throwing away existing AM Stereo radios so rapidly that the overall tally is decreasing? > especially if one is worried about possible loss of coverage, not > that there really is much. What about IBOC's loss of coverage? Tests have shown that digital mode coverage is often significantly less than the existing analog coverage, even during the daytime on 50,000-watt Class A signals. Try to put IBOC on a 250-watt daytimer and I bet fancy new IBOC recievers will drop to analog mode before you cross the nearest county line! From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Aug 31 18:30:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99734 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 01:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 01:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 01:30:33 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1dc.10252067 (4116) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1dc.10252067.2c83f9ea@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:24:58 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBOC will NEVER BECOME OPERATIONAL, John. AM Stereo DOES NOT REDUCE COVERAGE. It is IBOC that will reduce coverage...WSM (AM) will not be heard outside of Davidson County if IBOC is ever implemented (and it won't). WSM-FM, with IBOC, will not be heard outside of downtown Nashville. The hope of IBOC was the same lame excuse KMOX had for dropping Stereo in 2000. KMOX had increased coverage when they were Stereo. WSM had a very strong signal in Stereo...today, their signal is a bit weaker. It is ILLOGICAL to hope for IBOC. AM Stereo is the ONLY LOGICAL OPTION. Either go to C-QUAM or go off the air. Period. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oscar@globility.com Sun Aug 31 18:54:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55632 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 00:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 00:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 00:42:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2003 00:41:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 00:41:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Radios, radios, radios Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1116 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy One of the more interesting "statistics" that is printed in the WRTH (World Radio TV Handbook) is the number of radios estimated to be in use in any given country. I realize this needs a few more parameters to be established for the information to be of any real value. But, if you assume, for the sake of argument, that the number of radios per capita is a gauge of which country's citizens really use radio, the USA is at the top of the list with about 1.75 radios per capita. Britain and Germany are a little higher. France and Canada are about 1 per. Most other countries only indicate anywhere between 10 and 20% of the population to have radios. Does anyone have any theories as to what this might indicate? Oh yes, if one were to assume that 80% of every vehicle built every model year had a radio, that would add about 48 million car radios every year. That does not include the walkman-type, boombox, home theater receiver and every other novelty radio made each year. Oh, would that FF could even be seen as even a discernable part of that statistic.;-)) I do go on, don't I. :-)) MS From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Aug 31 19:05:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67823 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 02:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 02:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 02:05:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2003 02:03:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 02:03:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2472 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.94 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > For one, there is NO reduction in signal when using C-QUAM, since > extra power is needed to generate a quadrature AM signal, as it's > transparent to monaural AM without any degradation. I'm not so sure that is a correct characterization of the C-Quam AM stereo signal. I am no expert, and this is just my theory, so I would appreciate any well reasoned criticism of my thoughts. The first point is that the C-Quam system is not an ordinary quadrature AM signal, so there is no added power in the signal as there would be in a true quadrature system. The "L-R" stereo information in the C-Quam system is transmitted as phase modulation, or "PM", the "PM" component of C-Quam is a complex function of both the "L-R" signal and the "L+R" signal. "PM" is a constant envelope signal, so there is no added power as a result of the "L-R" information in C-Quam. The phase modulation, or PM, does spread the carrier out over a wide band of frequencies however, which are then amplitude modulated by the "L+R" information. In addition to the normal carrier, which is reduced in amplitude by the PM, the "L+R" amplitude modulation energy must also modulate the side bands created by the PM process, some of which lie near the edges of the 20 kHz wide AM broadcasting channel. A normal monophonic AM radio has an IF which is maybe 6 or 8 kHz wide. This means that all the AM envelope energy that went into modulating the carrier power that was pushed out near the edge of the channel by the C-Quam "L-R" phase modulation is lost in the IF filters of the normal AM radio, resulting in a loss of signal to noise ratio, and hence coverage. I'm not saying this is a large, or even significant loss, but it is a loss. This effect do to the phase modulation side bands occurs even if the Left and Right stereo audio signals are limited say 4 or 5 kHz audio response. For program material with no "L-R" component, the coverage would be unaffected, as there would be no phase modulation, ignoring the effect of the "pilot". The bottom line is that there is some loss of coverage with C-Quam for typical monophonic radios, unless we are talking about wide band radios which can take in the entire C-Quam signal, but the use of a wide band radio in and of itself will cause a reduction in coverage due to the extra noise resulting from the wider IF response. John From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 20:06:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51511 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 00:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 00:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 00:35:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20030901003459.13950.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.249.136] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:34:59 PDT Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Listening to ordinary AM mono stations sounds better in AM Stereo mode too. Michael --- "Kevin T." wrote: This does not apply to AM Stereo, where full > compatibility > with existing mono receivers is maintained, and in > fact often > actually *improves* the quality offered by mono > receivers, because of > the greater technical standards that properly > engineered AM Stereo > stations are held to. > > AM stereo, so there is not much point in using the > AM stereo mode, __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 20:13:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98230 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 03:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 03:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 03:13:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2003 03:13:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 03:13:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radios, radios, radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 576 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.54 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: =snip= > Most other countries only indicate anywhere between 10 and 20% of the > population to have radios. > > Does anyone have any theories as to what this might indicate? I have a few ideas. One, shared radios, ie: family radios. Two, an expansion of that, community radios. That is, a single radio shared by a village. Additionally, unlike North America, there are fewer cars per capita. I think there's less emphasis on personal posession, which translates to these numbers. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bjackson@indyradio.com Sun Aug 31 20:17:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1617 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 03:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 03:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 03:17:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2003 03:16:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 03:16:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1863 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > Why go to the trouble and expense of transmitting in AM stereo, > especially if there is the slightest chance of any reduction in > coverage, considering that there are so very few people equipped to > listen in AM stereo, and becoming fewer every day. When IBOC becomes > fully operational the situation will turn around. > > It makes sense to webcast in stereo because unlike the situation with > AM radios, most contemporary computers are equipped for stereo > reproduction. > > John John, John, John...I love reading your posts. Here, you're all pro digital, and on rec-antiqueradio+phono whatever you're all about old wideband tube radios! I think you missed part of the post. There is no added expense for them to go C-Quam. They ran stereo up until a few years ago. In fact, back in March I was in Nashville visiting some buddies at Clear Channel on vacation, and scored a tour of WSM...And what do you know...The C-Quam exciter is still in the audio rack. It's turned off and the audio has been bypassed, but it'd take maybe 30 minutes to turn it back on. As for loss of coverage...That's odd. WBAP from Texas to Indiana on a regular basis, KCJJ from Iowa City to Indy almost every morning on my way into work...Doesn't seem like a big loss of coverage to me. I love how all the IBOC supporters are bad mouthing C-Quam, and analog AM audio in general, and talking about how "hi-fi" IBOC is...even saying it will bring music back to AM...But What about the years and years between hybrid mode and pure digital? The 5khz audio that the millions of radios will hear, along with the hash, seems more likely to kill off AM before IBOC has a chance to revive it. I use the word revive loosely :-) - Brad Jackson - WGLD/WGRL/WFMS - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Aug 31 21:36:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92392 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 23:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 23:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 23:29:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2003 23:29:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:29:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 10 kHz on Sony ST-JX220A? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 222 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 65.56.253.58 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > Switch off then Hold down the Tuning + button together with the > power button for > 10khz spacing Many thanks! 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Chrysafis Ordained Minister (ULC) 88.3 FM 1610 AM P15 Community Radio! http://www.eff.org From dav259@csiro.au Sun Aug 31 23:33:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42828 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 04:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 04:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 04:00:23 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8140JH08091 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:00:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:00:19 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios, radios, radios In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Mr.M S wrote: > One of the more interesting "statistics" that is printed in the WRTH > (World Radio TV Handbook) is the number of radios estimated to be in > use in any given country. > > the USA is at the top of the > list with about 1.75 radios per capita. Britain and Germany are a > little higher. France and Canada are about 1 per. At last years ABA Annual Conference they said there were on average 11 radios in every Oz household. Given that there are about 6.5 million households that makes 3.6 radios per head. Oz comes out on top! Of course maths wasn't my best subject ... Ian <:8 }~~~>:<~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 23:49:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28482 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 03:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 03:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 03:23:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2003 03:23:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 03:23:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stereo Action Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2061 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I've come across yet another forgotten gimmick in multi-channel recording: "Stereo Action". Browsing though the stacks of LPs at the Princeton Record Exchange today, I came across a 1961 LP with the following blurb on its cover: "RCA Victor Stereo Action - The Sound Your Eyes Can Follow Stereo Action is a new concept of music in motion; a new dimension in recorded sound. Stereo Action brings you unmatched fidelity through the full sound spectrum, plus the exciting new illusion of sound in motion. Soloists and entire sections of the orchestra appear to move thrillingly back and forth across the room. Stereo Action is musical movement so real, your eyes will follow the sound." The LP is pretty much as described -- lots of pan-potting back and forth from left to right. The write-up on the record sleeve goes into depth about how this isn't just another "gimmick" in stereo demonstration records -- but that's exactly what it is, at least to me. It's basically controlled "platform motion" -- and carries with it the same level of annoyance after a while of hearing things swoop back and forth artifically, without any real connection to the melody of each song. Still, as typical of early stereo LPs from RCA, the fidelity is very good, and the detailed arrangements provide much greater clarity and dynamic range than today's over-processed, dynamically lifeless CDs. Other good catches at the Record Exchange that I picked up include "Persuasive Percussion Volume 3", from the excellent Command series of hi-fi stereo LPs (this one recorded in 1960), as well as the limited-release CD "MSR Madness Volume 4", a collection of 28 rare song-poem tracks, mostly transferred from raw vinyl (as featured on the WFMU show "Incorrect Music"). It features the MSR Singers, who would take your poem/lyrics and for a fee would make and record a song out of it and press it onto a 45 or LP. My favorite of the songs is "Static On The Brain", which I think could apply to the IBOC hash some of us are hearing on the radio! From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Sep 01 00:21:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51810 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 07:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 07:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 07:21:20 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.211.155.126]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030901070952.JMQK21511.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 03:09:52 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01c37058$0a579210$af78fea9@juan> To: Subject: WSM-650 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 03:09:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WSM is quite frankly, a shell of it's former self. I am no Country music expert, but I know when I hear an original or a remake. A few months ago, I was on my way home from bowling , when I heard WSM play a Johnny Paycheck song. It was "Don't take her she's all I got". Anyway, it was the wrong version, a remake that Paycheck had done after the original hit was recorded. I could not believe my ears. Of all stations to screw up like that, WSM is the LAST Country station I think would play the wrong version. The remake wasn't even close to the original. Sad but true. Juan Fort Pierce, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jim@burgan.net Mon Sep 01 00:33:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41279 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 04:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 04:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-1.iquest.net) (206.246.180.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 04:53:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 80414 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 04:53:01 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-1.iquest.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 04:53:01 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-27.iquest.net [209.43.58.27]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id ALQ11086; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:52:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008301c37044$e14b4780$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:28:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I already fear that even this group is losing faith in genuine AM > stereo, which has been leaving this particular mousie depressed-- and > noticably quiet, if you hgadn't noticed. :( > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Sorry Amy, you might as well start mainlining Prozac or Paxil 'cause it's only gonna get worse. IBOC will be here, will eventually become accepted and C-Quam will die a quick (though painful for us) death. I don't know why they want to move to IBOC when it is a daytime-only format... rendering hundreds of stations on regional and graveyard frequencies useless after sunset... but nothing we do here is going to change it. Now where is MY bottle of Zoloft...... From dav259@csiro.au Mon Sep 01 02:12:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97903 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 09:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 09:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 09:12:37 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h819BiH12706 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 19:11:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 19:11:44 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Action In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > I've come across yet another forgotten gimmick in multi-channel > recording: "Stereo Action". Browsing though the stacks of LPs at the > Princeton Record Exchange today, I came across a 1961 LP with the > following blurb on its cover: > > > "RCA Victor Stereo Action - The Sound Your Eyes Can Follow" Kevin - I can say that in Oz RCA Victor LPs were the cat's pajamas. Their other brand, RCA Camden, were "good ordinary" records (as our beloved 89 year old footy legend "Captain Blood" Jack Dyer - who went to God last week - would have said). RCA Victor, Decca, and Polydore albums used to cost 57/6 (that's 57 and six - or $5.75 now). All other LPs used to cost 52/6 ($5.25). They were worth the extra five shillings! 'South Pacific' was on RCA Victor - and was sensational. I'm still tossing up whether to buy the 1957 stereo version of Rogers & Hammerstein's 'Cinderella' from AccuBroadway.Com in stereo - but it would only be a CD. I'd love to have it on vinyl. Quite frankly listening now to bits of this recording over the internet is amazing to me. CBS Television recorded this one off "event" in stereo. Obviously CBS must have been to the golden era of television what MGM was to the golden era of movies. I still love the golden era that was/is 20th-Century Fox. Ian [In my own little corner In my own little chair I can be whatever I wan't to be] (c) Rogers & Hammerstein - Cinderella - 1957 From oscar@globility.com Mon Sep 01 06:14:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7822 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 13:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 13:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.140) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 13:14:37 -0000 Received: from MTS-HAL-II (perdition.echo-on.net [205.189.151.14]) by smtp3.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2BD5557 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200309010914310703.00368A09@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: <008301c37044$e14b4780$9802a8c0@jimspc> References: <008301c37044$e14b4780$9802a8c0@jimspc> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 09:14:31 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy About all you've accomplished with your comment to Amymousie is that she wo= n't likely vote for you if you run for Governor, and neither will anyone el= se on this forum, except maybe John ;-)) MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 31/08/2003 at 11:28 PM Jim Burgan wrote: >> I already fear that even this group is losing faith in genuine AM >> stereo, which has been leaving this particular mousie depressed-- and >> noticably quiet, if you hgadn't noticed. :( >> >> Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > >Sorry Amy, you might as well start mainlining Prozac or Paxil 'cause it's >only gonna get worse. >IBOC will be here, will eventually become accepted and C-Quam will die a >quick (though painful for us) death. >I don't know why they want to move to IBOC when it is a daytime-only >format... rendering hundreds of stations on regional and graveyard >frequencies useless after sunset... but nothing we do here is going to >change it. >Now where is MY bottle of Zoloft...... > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From oscar@globility.com Mon Sep 01 06:57:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84631 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 13:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 13:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.140) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 13:20:53 -0000 Received: from MTS-HAL-II (perdition.echo-on.net [205.189.151.14]) by smtp3.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD995567 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200309010914310953.00368B03@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 09:14:31 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios, radios, radios Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy As a comparison Ian, the WRTH listed Oz as having a population of 18.3M wit= h a total number of radios estimated at 21M. Unfortunately, the population figure is not broken down by household. But i= s still interesting. MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 01/09/2003 at 2:00 PM Ian Davidson wrote: >On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Mr.M S wrote: > >> One of the more interesting "statistics" that is printed in the WRTH >> (World Radio TV Handbook) is the number of radios estimated to be in >> use in any given country. >> >> the USA is at the top of the >> list with about 1.75 radios per capita. Britain and Germany are a >> little higher. France and Canada are about 1 per. > > >At last years ABA Annual Conference they said there were on average 11 >radios in every Oz household. Given that there are about 6.5 million >households that makes 3.6 radios per head. > >Oz comes out on top! > >Of course maths wasn't my best subject ... > >Ian <:8 }~~~>:<~ > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Sep 01 08:35:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64621 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 15:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 15:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 15:35:17 -0000 Received: from localhost (d125-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.157]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h81FZAD47461 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:35:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:34:28 -0700 Subject: Reduction in coverage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1062405594.451.35012.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla John, You are wonderful or comic relief if nothing else. We all read the NRSC report that shows the IBOC reduction in coverage. I am not saying that AM stereo is going to make a comeback, but what I am saying is that this nonsense doesn't hold water and you know it. Why broadcast in IBOC if its going to shrink your coverage area? There is no reduction in coverage whatsoever with AM stereo. Someone had to say it. Kevin On Monday, September 1, 2003, at 01:39 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Why go to the trouble and expense of transmitting in AM stereo, > especially if there is the slightest chance of any reduction in > coverage, considering that there are so very few people equipped to > listen in AM stereo, and becoming fewer every day. When IBOC becomes > fully operational the situation will turn around. From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Sep 01 08:43:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69438 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 15:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 15:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 15:43:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (d125-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.157]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h81FdGD47548 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:39:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:38:33 -0700 Subject: WSM and lower signal strength Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1062405594.451.35012.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: <5878FDAA-DC92-11D7-98DE-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Eric, I can back this up. When AM stereo was dropped, I could no longer hear WSM her ein AZ and when I went to see family in Crump, Tennessee, the signal strength was considerably lower than prior to the dropping of C-QUAM. Kevin On Monday, September 1, 2003, at 01:39 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > WSM had a very strong > signal in Stereo...today, their signal is a bit weaker. From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Sep 01 08:44:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10099 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 15:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 15:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.125) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 15:44:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:43:59 -0700 Received: from 172.135.17.251 by bay7-dav21.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 15:43:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reduction in coverage Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:41:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2003 15:43:59.0263 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC2E2AF0:01C3709F] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.17.251] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 kevin wrote: > There is no reduction in coverage whatsoever with AM stereo. Very true, and under certain conditions (Selective fading and QRM from other stations), Kahn ISB can actually extend the useable range of an AM station by quite a bit. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Sep 01 08:57:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30763 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 15:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 15:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 15:57:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:50:28 -0700 Received: from 172.135.17.251 by bay7-dav51.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 15:50:27 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <5878FDAA-DC92-11D7-98DE-00050291D22F@fastq.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSM and lower signal strength Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:47:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2003 15:50:28.0185 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3FEF490:01C370A0] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.17.251] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 kevin wrote: > I can back this up. When AM stereo was dropped, I could no longer hear WSM her ein AZ When WPCI 1490 installed the AM Stereo kit in their Harris MW1A and the BE C-Quam exciter, it extended their coverage by a good 5% and the phase distortion that plagued the station since it was WMRB in the 1970s went away. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Sep 01 09:01:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67827 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 16:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 16:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.7) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 16:01:31 -0000 Received: from logs-wg.proxy.aol.com (logs-wg.proxy.aol.com [205.188.196.5]) by rly-ip03.mx.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-33f536bc637f; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:54:46 -0400 Received: from ibm (AC8711FB.ipt.aol.com [172.135.17.251]) by logs-wg.proxy.aol.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h81FpD4E120958 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:51:13 GMT Message-ID: <00e201c370a0$807a8fe0$8086dd43@aoldsl.net> To: Subject: Fw: [amradiodx] Re: strange conditions/WGN Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:48:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Apparently-From: DodgeRamTrucker@aol.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.196.5 From: "Possum Hunter" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie McGinnis" To: Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 8:50 AM Subject: [amradiodx] Re: strange conditions/WGN > Hi Group > > on the poor reception , please take a look at > http://sec.noaa.gov/ftpmenu/plots.html > check out plots for > > 3-day GOES Electron Flux Plots > 3-day GOES Magnetometer H-component Plots > 3-day Estimated Planetary K-indices Plots > > on the k-indices plots look to see if the green is higher than 3 on > the green, or in the yellow or red . When you get there hold on radio > does some strange things. > > Charlie AKA: vulcan > > > > > --- In amradiodx@yahoogroups.com, "webtrailblazer" > wrote: > > RE: I'm in Cleveland , but have recently had trouble with WGN, > which > > indicates to me that it might be an in-house tech problem. I now > get > > 1000 WMVP loud and clear from Chicago once our local daylight > station > > signs off that freq. We get WGN on cable TV though, so it almost > > doesn't matter. > > --- In amradiodx@yahoogroups.com, "ron trotto" > > wrote: > > > has anyone else noticed the strange conditions to the southern > part > > > of the us here wgn usually booms in at night but lately been > barely > > > audable.some stations i heard last night for example wbca 1110 > > from > > > bay minnette,alabama,at 0015 utc,960 werc from birmingham > > alabama,610 > > > wagg from birmingham,alabama,620 wrjz knoxville tenn,usually > > alabama > > > is hard up this way ron trotto waggoner,illinois > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amradiodx-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Juan Fort Pierce, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jim@burgan.net Mon Sep 01 09:42:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88253 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 16:42:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 16:42:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-1.iquest.net) (206.246.180.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 16:42:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 96914 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 16:40:41 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-1.iquest.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 16:40:41 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-37.iquest.net [209.43.58.37]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id ALR12757; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:40:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002a01c370a7$be05b400$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <008301c37044$e14b4780$9802a8c0@jimspc> <200309010914310703.00368A09@mail.globility.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:40:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > About all you've accomplished with your comment to Amymousie >is that she won't likely vote for you if you run for Governor, and >neither will anyone else on this forum, except maybe John ;-)) What are you talking about... I AM running for governor. Didn't you see my name on the ballot? I don't want John's vote, and I don't want votes from Ibiquity's people. I see you are one of those voters who want the politicians to tell them what they want to hear. I thought I had to be honest on this forum, but I will shift gears to get votes. Let me rephrase my earlier post: IBOC will never work. John will get fired from WOR (and I will be the replacement CE if I don't get elected Governor) for putting his personal endorsement on a failed-technology and spreading lies on AMSF. C-Quam will enjoy a resurgence and by 2008 nearly all music stations will have migrated back to AM, while FM becomes the band for extreme music formats and instrumental covers of "Rest In Pieces", "Senorita" and "Can't Hold Us Down" done by Percy Faith and the Orchestra. There will be a surge in America's education level, most people will have a high-school education, eliminating the need for talk radio so most of the talk shows (except for Bill O'Reilly) disappear. There is some talk of creating a separate band for a digital delivery system, but most people see no need for a highly-compressed, overly artifacted system. Now... will you vote for me??? From jim@burgan.net Mon Sep 01 09:48:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10177 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 16:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 16:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-4.iquest.net) (206.246.180.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 16:48:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 10372 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 16:48:16 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-4.iquest.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 16:48:16 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-37.iquest.net [209.43.58.37]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id ALR13571; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:48:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003701c370a8$d75b3000$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <00e201c370a0$807a8fe0$8086dd43@aoldsl.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [amradiodx] Re: strange conditions/WGN Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:48:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > > > has anyone else noticed the strange conditions to the southern > > part > > > > of the us here wgn usually booms in at night but lately been > > barely > > > > audable.some stations i heard last night for example wbca 1110 > > > from > > > > bay minnette,alabama,at 0015 utc,960 werc from birmingham > > > alabama,610 > > > > wagg from birmingham,alabama,620 wrjz knoxville tenn,usually > > > alabama > > > > is hard up this way ron trotto waggoner,illinois June, July and August are not exactly the best months for MW DX'ing. WLAC, normally a perfect catch in Central Indiana (the near-perfect distance for catching 1510 kHz from Nashville) is so bad I usually don't listen until October. There are times when it is clear, but from Halloween through Easter you can listen all night long and they never fade. In fact, during December you can listen many times at high-noon and still hear them (we are well outside their groundwave coverage). Just hang on for another month or so and it will get better fast. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 09:52:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14139 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 16:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 16:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 16:52:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2003 16:46:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 16:46:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WSM and lower signal strength Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5878FDAA-DC92-11D7-98DE-00050291D22F@fastq.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 509 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.54 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin wrote: > Eric, > > I can back this up. When AM stereo was dropped, I could no longer hear > WSM her ein AZ and when I went to see family in Crump, Tennessee, the > signal strength was considerably lower than prior to the dropping of > C-QUAM. The same thing happened when KFI dropped its stereo-- And this was a powerhouse that could be heard strongly up and down the Pacific coast and well inland to at least the Rockies. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 10:27:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1907 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 17:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 17:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 17:27:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2003 17:24:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 17:24:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200309010914310703.00368A09@mail.globility.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1102 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.54 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M.S." wrote: > About all you've accomplished with your comment to Amymousie is that she won't likely vote for you if you run for Governor, and neither will anyone else on this forum, except maybe John ;-)) To quote the motto from the movie "GalaxyQuest": "Never give up, never surrender." As long as there is at least one person who believes in AM stereo, AM stereo will never truly die, for this one person will try his damnedest to keep at least one pilot light on. How many of you are willing to keep that pilot light on? And to quote Ian: What have YOU done for AM stereo? Would you be the one who turns on a C-QUAM transmitter when the commercial broadcasters shut their's off? And would you be the one to build a receiver from scratch when no receiver can be found? Would you make sure information about AM stereo technoloies, including those for "obsolete" systems, be made available to the public? Would you make demonstrations of AM stereo whenever and wherever possible? Never give up, Never surrender. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Sep 01 13:24:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85773 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 20:24:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 20:24:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 20:24:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2003 20:22:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 20:22:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Reduction in coverage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2921 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.144 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin wrote: > John, > > There is no reduction in coverage whatsoever with AM stereo. > > Someone had to say it. You are hardly the first one to make that claim here, but do you have any credible evidence to prove that it is anything more than an unsubstantiated partisan statement? If there isn't a problem with coverage, why are people worried about it? Where there is smoke there is often fire. Can you refute my argument in any way? Note that I did not claim the reduction in monophonic coverage was large, or even very significant. Talk is cheap, can you back it up by any sort of argument? Take may argument point by point, where does it fall down? Point #1, C-Quam is not a pure Quam system, in particular the stereo difference modulation does not add any energy to the signal, as it would in a pure Quam system, because the stereo difference modulation in C-Quam is phase modulation with a constant envelope, and hence constant power. Point #2, the sidebands resulting from the phase modulation of the carrier by the stereo difference information are spread across the full width of the channel, as in PM and FM systems, even if the program material does not contain higher frequencies. Point #2b, this process robs power from the central carrier. Point #3, the energy added to the signal by the amplitude modulation function of the transmitter, which modulates the envelope of the phase modulated signal with the monophonic information, must be divided between the carrier and all the sidebands created by the phase modulation process. This spreads the normal "AM" envelope sideband energy over more of the channel than it would normally occupy. Point #4, if as is typical, the IF bandwidth of the monophonic radio does not include the entire AM broadcast channel, then some of the "AM" envelope sideband energy will be lost, around the phase modulation sidebands, and the signal to noise ratio reduced, leading to a loss of coverage when phase modulation due to the stereo difference signal is present on the carrier. Point #4b, it might be pointed out that if the IF response of the radio does not encompass the entire channel, then some sideband energy will be lost even on monophonic broadcasts. The loss of this high frequency program material does not have the same impact on signal to noise ratio though because the noise is reduced along with the high frequency program information. In any case the loss due to the phase modulation is on top of any normal AM loss due to a narrow IF. So where are the holes in my argument? I can see one point that is not proven, but if it is assumed to be false, then even worse problems must exist in the C-Quam system as a consequence. The ball is in your court, are you just filled with hot air, or can you demonstrate something wrong with my argument? 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Chrysafis Ordained Minister (ULC) 88.3 FM 1610 AM P15 Community Radio! http://www.eff.org From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 15:07:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66971 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 22:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 22:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 22:07:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2003 22:07:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:07:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Reduction in coverage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1552 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > So where are the holes in my argument? The "hole" is that you neglect to factor in the effect of audio processing. Since on AM, effective signal coverage is directly proportional to audio modulation/density, a simple tweak of the station's audio processing could easily make up for any alleged slight reduction of signal coverage caused by use of AM Stereo, without any change to the station's RF power output. A number of AM Stereo stations, like 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, NJ, employ greater limiting of high-frequency audio transients in order to gain extra loudness, at the slight expense of crispness for wide-bandwidth listeners. Simply put, you can just "crank it up a notch", especially with modern AM Stereo audio processors like the Optimod 9100-B2, which are excellent at producing very loud and dense audio (at full +125%/-100% modulation) that is also very clean, clear, and distortion-free. Mr. Newman's own 1680 WTTM is a great example of this -- an AM Stereo station engineered for both maximum loudness and maximum fidelity. Of course, this also benefits mono listeners as well. Mono AM allows many stations to get away with using ageing equipment with sub-par performance. AM Stereo can often work acceptably well under these conditions, but it's the modern equipment and highly skilled engineering that's what gives many AM Stereo stations a "World Class" type of signal and sound, that stands out on the dial as being noticeably superior to other stations, regardless of what kind of receiver you use. 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Chrysafis Ordained Minister (ULC) 88.3 FM 1610 AM P15 Community Radio! http://www.eff.org From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 17:20:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87536 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 00:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 00:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 00:20:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 00:19:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:19:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Reduction in coverage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1624 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.54 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin wrote: > > John, > > > > There is no reduction in coverage whatsoever with AM stereo. > > > > Someone had to say it. > If there isn't a problem with coverage, why are people worried about > it? Where there is smoke there is often fire. The claim is based on experience with FM stereo, where the stereo subcarrier, as well as any other subcarrier added (SCA, RDS, IBOC) must cut into the total FM modulation level- that is, the power output- and do in fact affect the base signal's coverage. Therefore, there is an assumption of stereo=coverage loss. As for how C-QUAM works, I'll leave that to JSG, but if I'm not mistaken, the L-R is not a PM signal, but a true QUAM (with the I/envelope modulated with 1+L+R instead of L+R to render "compatibility"). The OM detector in the Motorola chips is intended to maintain balance between the sum and difference signals, much like the "tracking" circuit used in the 1959 RCA stereo radio, to reduce phase distortion and platform motion. (JSG can handle this much better than I can, because I don't necessarily think I have it right.) And yes, Kahn's ISB uses PM to generate ISB, rather than an inverse- audio-phased QUAM. The te4chnique is similar to the Westinghouse AM/FM system tghat also generates ISB but using a very narrow FM signal. Perhaps you were confusing C-QUAM and Kahn/Hazelktine ISB in terms of the use of PM? Oh, well- Again, I'll leave this to JSG. He's better at this technical side than I. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Sep 01 17:37:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38767 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 00:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 00:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 00:37:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 00:36:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:36:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 912 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.185 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > > John, John, John...I love reading your posts. Here, you're all pro > digital, and on rec-antiqueradio+phono whatever you're all about old > wideband tube radios! Am I going to have to start using my "sig" line motto again, "Give me Digital, or give me Mono"? Radio was meant to be either mono, or digital stereo, C-Quam is a half baked compromise that is neither fish nor foul. Digital stereo is the future. If it were up to me we would be back to mono, with modest processing, and with scrupulous attention paid to good engineering. Programming is the problem, but hopefully that could be more diverse than it is now. As far as analog AM stereo goes, who's web page was responsible for stirring up a tiny amount of interest in this group, in the old RCA AM stereo system? John Give me Digital, or give me Mono. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 17:37:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86066 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 00:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 00:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 00:37:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 00:36:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:36:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Reduction in coverage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 256 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.54 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie In addendum, I should have said that even quadrature AM has an inherent PM component, even though it is phased AM, rather than a true PM, and even use of FM or PM has a differential (not truly independent, usually) sideband component. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Sep 01 17:43:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99694 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 00:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 00:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 00:43:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 00:42:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:42:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Reduction in coverage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2017 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.182 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Kevin, your argument doesn't hold water! You can just as well "crank it up a notch" in mono, thereby keeping one jump ahead of the C-Quam coverage. Or is there an FCC regulation that prohibits processing a mono signal in the same way that you propose processing the stereo signal? John Give me Digital, or give me Mono. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > So where are the holes in my argument? > > The "hole" is that you neglect to factor in the effect of audio > processing. Since on AM, effective signal coverage is directly > proportional to audio modulation/density, a simple tweak of the > station's audio processing could easily make up for any alleged > slight reduction of signal coverage caused by use of AM Stereo, > without any change to the station's RF power output. A number of > AM Stereo stations, like 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, NJ, employ > greater limiting of high-frequency audio transients in order to gain > extra loudness, at the slight expense of crispness for wide- > bandwidth listeners. > > Simply put, you can just "crank it up a notch", especially with > modern AM Stereo audio processors like the Optimod 9100-B2, which > are excellent at producing very loud and dense audio > (at full +125%/-100% modulation) that is also very clean, clear, and > distortion-free. Mr. Newman's own 1680 WTTM is a great example of > this -- an AM Stereo station engineered for both maximum loudness > and maximum fidelity. > > Of course, this also benefits mono listeners as well. Mono AM > allows many stations to get away with using ageing equipment with > sub-par performance. AM Stereo can often work acceptably well under > these conditions, but it's the modern equipment and highly skilled > engineering that's what gives many AM Stereo stations a "World > Class" type of signal and sound, that stands out on the dial as > being noticeably superior to other stations, regardless of what kind > of receiver you use. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 17:48:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1511 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 00:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 00:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 00:47:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 00:47:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:47:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 181 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Give me Digital, or give me Mono. You use your fingers to operate a radio, right? Then, by definition, radio has always been "digital". Give me Analog, or give me Earplugs. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 18:05:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92498 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 01:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 01:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 01:05:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 01:02:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:02:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2185 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.54 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" > wrote: > > > > John, John, John...I love reading your posts. Here, you're all pro > > digital, and on rec-antiqueradio+phono whatever you're all about old > > wideband tube radios! > > Am I going to have to start using my "sig" line motto again, "Give me > Digital, or give me Mono"? Radio was meant to be either mono, or > digital stereo, C-Quam is a half baked compromise that is neither fish > nor foul. Digital stereo is the future. If it were up to me we would > be back to mono, with modest processing, and with scrupulous attention > paid to good engineering. Programming is the problem, but hopefully > that could be more diverse than it is now. C-QUAM, ISB, even Harris' VCPM take clear advantage of the physics of amplitude-modulated carrierwaves-- Namely the simple fact AM has two sidebands, and can be polarized (phased). Even AM/FM and AM/PM systems take advantage of AM's physical charactistics, since what is modulated isn't the carrier, but the sidebands. Digital, as it's implemented below 30 MHz is a half-assed implementation of multiple-subcarrier modulatiuon overlaying an existing analog system, using digital compression techniques that rob any quality for the sake of low bitrrats to minimize used bandwidth-- Not very efficient. And let's not get into ability to overcome interference, both natural or manmade, including the 8.5-second digital delay, OK? Bad, bad news. Digital needs to be in a frequency range that does not affect existing services, have enough bandwidth for a decent PCM or multip- lexed PCM carrier, wide enough for at least compression rats that don't rob quality. In that, I support Eureka-147, but not IBOC or DRM. > As far as analog AM stereo goes, who's web page was responsible for > stirring up a tiny amount of interest in this group, in the old RCA AM > stereo system? And we, or at least I, thank you for that. It's a very important subject in AM stereo history. That still doesn't excuse your attitude in this group, though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 18:45:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27958 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 01:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 01:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80512.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 01:45:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20030902014506.38359.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.44.211] by web80512.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 18:45:06 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 18:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" > < > florida_amstereo@h...> wrote: > > > > I guess it's a good thing that in the 1940's and > early 1950's tv > > stations just didn't leave the air, waiting for a > color system to > > come online. > > Are you saying that WSM has gone off the air, that > is what you are > implying? NO, that's not what he said, read it again. > > If that lame excuse holds any water, then why do > the vast majority > > of fm stations continue to broadcast in stereo > > Most FM receivers are equipped to receive FM stereo, > while few AM > receivers aren't equipped for AM stereo reception. Unfortunately most "receivers" now do a poor job at that....receiving....compared to older units. And getting a DECENT FM section is a chore. Powell > > John > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 18:51:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66160 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 01:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 01:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 01:51:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 01:50:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:50:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM mono vs. Stereo loudness Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1670 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kevin, your argument doesn't hold water! You can just as well > "crank it up a notch" in mono, thereby keeping one jump ahead of > the C-Quam coverage. For AM Stereo listeners, a stereo signal will always have the advantage in "loudness" over mono signals. Especially with C-Quam's matrix processing, the L-R stereo difference component can add significant loudness to the resulting audio, while with a monaural signal, the L-R component drops out entirely. Stereo's loudness advantage is easy to prove -- just take a recording of AM Stereo featuring prominent stereo separation and measure its loudness statistics -- then sum the recording to mono, as if you had received it on a plain AM mono receiver, and measure the statistics again. The stereo recording will always show a higher peak amplitude and RMS loudness, because of the presence of the L-R component, which the mono recording lacks. I just did that myself, using the airchecks of 1240 KEVA that Michael J. posted to his site: http://www.1240keva.com/airchecks/ In AM Stereo: Peak Amplitude: 0 dB Average RMS Loudness: -18.7 dB Maximum RMS Loudness: -10.59 dB In Mono: Peak Amplitude: -4.66 dB Average RMS Loudness: -19.84 dB Maximum RMS Loudness: -11.89 dB (All statistics provided by Cool Edit Pro 1.2a.) Thus, in this case, AM Stereo's loudness advantage is: Peak Amplitude: +4.66 dB Average RMS Loudness: +1.14 dB Maximum RMS Loudness: +1.3 dB And this is just from two short clips totaling less than 2 minutes. If these statistics were taken over a significant amount of time -- say, over an hour's worth of program material -- the difference would become more distinct. From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 18:55:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96573 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 01:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 01:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80511.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 01:55:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20030902015511.70478.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.44.211] by web80511.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 18:55:11 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 18:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > The majorty of radios with FM also receive FM > stereo, making it > worthwhile to transmit in that mode. If you want to use "radio" a lot of radios are just mono....but, a lot of so called "radios" do not do a very good job of receiving, but for a handfull of dollars ( or maybe CENTS) what do you expect... Most AM > radios, getting to be > fewer and fewer each day, receive AM stereo, so > there is not much > point in using the AM stereo mode, especially if one > is worried about > possible loss of coverage, not that there really is > much. The AM sections on a lot of radios no longer receive very well, and FM sections are trying to catch up. IBOC on AM will show a VERY substantial reduction in coverage. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 19:03:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93268 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 02:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 02:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 02:03:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 02:02:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 02:02:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030902015511.70478.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 545 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.228 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- bta_50g wrote: > > > > The majorty of radios with FM also receive FM > > stereo, making it > > worthwhile to transmit in that mode. > > If you want to use "radio" a lot of radios are just > mono....but, a lot of so called "radios" do not do a > very good job of receiving, but for a handfull of > dollars ( or maybe CENTS) what do you expect... More than 80% of all convenience-store radios are FM only and mono. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Sep 01 19:05:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65876 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 02:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 02:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 02:05:00 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.211.155.126]) by imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030902015704.ELQU1847.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan>; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:57:04 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c370f5$82bdc880$af78fea9@juan> To: Cc: Subject: Myrtle Beach Bandscan Part 3 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:57:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last but not least. This is very incomplete. 1180-WMYT-Carolina Beach, NC 1200-WMIR-Atlantic Beach, SC 1210-UNID 1220-WINC Whiteville, NC 1230-WSRB-New Smyna Beach, FL 1240-UNID-WFOY-St. Augustine, FL 1250-WTMA-Charleston, SC 1260-UNID 1300-WTIR-Cocoa, FL 1330-WPJS-Conway, SC 1340-WROD-Daytona Beach, FL 1370-WTAB-Tabor City, NC 1420-WAOC-St. Augustine, FL 1470-UNID-WCFB ? / WLMC-Lumberton, NC 1510-UNID / WTXY-Whiteville, NC 1550-WBSC-Bennetville, SC 1560-WINT-Melbourne, FL 1570-WGSR-Fernandina Beach, FL 1590-WVOE-Chadbourne, NC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 19:46:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47711 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 02:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 02:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80513.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 02:46:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20030902024629.97247.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.44.211] by web80513.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 19:46:29 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 19:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" > > wrote: > > > > John, John, John...I love reading your posts. > Here, you're all pro > > digital, and on rec-antiqueradio+phono whatever > you're all about old > > wideband tube radios! > Am I going to have to start using my "sig" line > motto again, "Give me > Digital, or give me Mono"? Radio was meant to be > either mono, or > digital stereo, C-Quam is a half baked compromise > that is neither fish > nor foul. Well digital stereo on MW is a "Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road"...... Digital stereo is the future. If it were > up to me we would > be back to mono, with modest processing, and with > scrupulous attention > paid to good engineering. Digital Stereo that is equal to current analog, and no interference is still a long way off. So analog mono then. Programming is the > problem, but hopefully > that could be more diverse than it is now. That IS asking a lot. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Sep 01 19:49:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11590 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 02:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 02:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 02:49:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (d27-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.59]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h822mUD65098 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 19:48:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 19:47:45 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 836 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1062467477.1488.66197.m17@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla John The stereo reduces coverage holds water on FM but not AM. Not much use to argue with you neither of us will move. However, I do agree with you that good mono is ok. This is a situation where the FCC is handling this whole mess absolutely wrong. There ought to be a section of the band set aside and *IF* digital takes off, should be expanded as more digital stations come online. That said, I don't think digital is a good fit for bands under 30 mHz. Too much skywave and fading. If you think that C-QUAM is bad for skywave, I sure think that IBOC is going to be worse. Honest to God John, I would 110% support digital if it were handled differently by the FCC. That said, digital is going to be a very slow goer. Kevin R. On Monday, September 1, 2003, at 06:51 PM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > You are hardly the first one to make that claim here, but do you have > any credible evidence to prove that it is anything more than an > unsubstantiated partisan statement? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 20:38:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39585 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 03:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 03:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 03:38:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20030902033748.14021.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 20:37:48 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Loss of coverage is BS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio FM stereo results in a smaller coverage area than FM mono, but the same is not true for CQuam AM stereo. The crap engineers beleive about a smaller service area with AM stereo is just that. The only reason I can see why you would have a larger coverage area with mono AM is because a PD sticks his fingers on the dials and cranks the modulation up to +150% (for more 'coverage') when the CQuam exciter is off, as it would start to distort CQuam a wee bit after you exceed +125% mod (but others have reported it working okay up to +140%). As Alfredo so eloquently pointed out - why do they still make prerecorded VHS tapes with the linear Dolby stereo in addition to the standard HiFi stereo? I haven't had a linear stereo Dolby VHS deck since 1987, but for the 10% that still use do, the movie manufacturers have in intelligence to still provide it to their consumers to provide a decent sounding product; - why can't radio do the same by using their existing CQuam equipment? You know darn well there's more than 1 person in the country listening to the Grand Ole Opry with an AM Stereo radio that's stuck in mono! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From oscar@globility.com Mon Sep 01 20:59:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37155 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 03:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 03:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 03:59:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 03:58:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 03:58:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM stereo soundbites CFCO & WJR Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 145 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.244.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy If anyone is looking for the FTA-100 air samples of CFCO and WJR recorded by John P, they're at "http://www.fanfare.com/soundbites.html" MS From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Sep 01 21:03:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96769 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 04:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 04:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 04:03:30 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h824AkDa094421 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:10:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3F541630.7907E79B@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:01:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? References: <20030902024629.97247.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 > Louden WainRight III Great song. > Well digital stereo on MW is a "Dead Skunk in the > Middle of the Road"...... > _________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Sep 01 21:08:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13445 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 04:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 04:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 04:08:29 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h824CxDa094877 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:13:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3F5416B3.24CD0854@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:04:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? References: <20030902024629.97247.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Powell I still have not Been able to get my RCA to operate on 1885kc The Ocsillator wont Run. Probably have to change a capacitor in the Oscillator Circuit But dont know which one or a value to use... Neal "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > --- bta_50g wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > John, John, John...I love reading your posts. > > Here, you're all pro > > > digital, and on rec-antiqueradio+phono whatever > > you're all about old > > > wideband tube radios! > > > Am I going to have to start using my "sig" line > > motto again, "Give me > > Digital, or give me Mono"? Radio was meant to be > > either mono, or > > digital stereo, C-Quam is a half baked compromise > > that is neither fish > > nor foul. > > Well digital stereo on MW is a "Dead Skunk in the > Middle of the Road"...... > > Digital stereo is the future. If it were > > up to me we would > > be back to mono, with modest processing, and with > > scrupulous attention > > paid to good engineering. > > Digital Stereo that is equal to current analog, and no > interference is still a long way off. So analog mono > then. > > Programming is the > > problem, but hopefully > > that could be more diverse than it is now. > > That IS asking a lot. > > Powell > > ===== > powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dav259@csiro.au Mon Sep 01 21:19:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78079 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 04:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 04:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 04:19:02 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h824I8H07298 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:18:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:18:08 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo soundbites CFCO & WJR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Mr.M S wrote: > If anyone is looking for the FTA-100 air samples of CFCO and WJR > recorded by John P, they're > at "http://www.fanfare.com/soundbites.html" Marv - superb! AMS has never sounded better. What say you JB?? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 21:47:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84631 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 04:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 04:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 04:47:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 04:44:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 04:44:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo soundbites CFCO & WJR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 336 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If anyone is looking for the FTA-100 air samples of CFCO and WJR > recorded by John P, they're > at "http://www.fanfare.com/soundbites.html" Great stuff! Just one glitch... the link for the CFCO logo is incorrect. It points to a local file on the C: drive, which obviously won't work for those viewing this page on the web. From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Sep 01 23:20:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79118 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 06:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 06:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 06:20:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 06:19:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 06:19:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach Bandscan Part 3 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001801c370f5$82bdc880$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1721 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Bob" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda"=20 wrote: > Last but not least. This is very incomplete. >=20 > 1180-WMYT-Carolina Beach, NC > 1200-WMIR-Atlantic Beach, SC > 1210-UNID > 1220-WINC Whiteville, NC > 1230-WSRB-New Smyna Beach, FL > 1240-UNID-WFOY-St. Augustine, FL > 1250-WTMA-Charleston, SC > 1260-UNID > 1300-WTIR-Cocoa, FL > 1330-WPJS-Conway, SC > 1340-WROD-Daytona Beach, FL > 1370-WTAB-Tabor City, NC > 1420-WAOC-St. Augustine, FL > 1470-UNID-WCFB ? / WLMC-Lumberton, NC > 1510-UNID / WTXY-Whiteville, NC > 1550-WBSC-Bennetville, SC > 1560-WINT-Melbourne, FL > 1570-WGSR-Fernandina Beach, FL > 1590-WVOE-Chadbourne, NC >=20 Are these bandscans representing daytime reception only?If=20 so ....what would a night-time bandscan yield there in Myrtle Beach=20 SC? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with=20 engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereo-subcribe@topica.com ------------------------KC4QLP=A0 Amateur Radio------------------------- =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefi= eld Va =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ww= w.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Sep 02 01:16:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66856 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 08:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 08:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 08:16:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 08:15:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:15:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Reduction in coverage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3485 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin wrote: > > > John, > > >=20 > > > There is no reduction in coverage whatsoever with AM stereo. > > >=20 > > > Someone had to say it. >=20 > > If there isn't a problem with coverage, why are people worried=20 > about=20 > > it? Where there is smoke there is often fire. >=20 > The claim is based on experience with FM stereo, where the stereo=20 > subcarrier, as well as any other subcarrier added (SCA, RDS, IBOC)=20 > must cut into the total FM modulation level- that is, the power=20 > output- and do in fact affect the base signal's coverage. Therefore,=20 > there is an assumption of stereo=3Dcoverage loss. >=20 > As for how C-QUAM works, I'll leave that to JSG, but if I'm not=20 > mistaken, the L-R is not a PM signal, but a true QUAM (with the=20 > I/envelope modulated with 1+L+R instead of L+R to=20 > render "compatibility"). The OM detector in the Motorola chips is=20 > intended to maintain balance between the sum and difference signals,=20 > much like the "tracking" circuit used in the 1959 RCA stereo radio,=20 > to reduce phase distortion and platform motion. (JSG can handle this=20 > much better than I can, because I don't necessarily think I have it=20 > right.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I hear someone calling my name so I guess I'll put my 2=A2 in. In general the preception in mono coverage is based on loudness which is based on maximizing p-p modulation whether it be for AM or FM. For FM any subcarrier added will take away from the p-p of the mono signal while still staying within the allowed deviation. For AM it means the envelope modulated to +125% & -100% limits. In QuAM the Q signal adds to the envelope on + modulation and limits the amount of downward modulation. The effect to the envelope detector is reduced carrier level with less than peak modulation especially on negative modulation and generally manifests itself as loss in coverage as there is less energy=20 delivered to the envelope detector . The C-QuAM approach restores=20 this by remodulating the envelope with 1+L+R so the envelope=20 detector can experience full modulation if the signal is not bandlimited. The fact of bandlimiting takes away from the full=20 peak modulation for the envelope whether there is any phase=20 modulation or not. In the case of single channel modulation=20 @ 75% of a single tone the 2nd order sideband is down by ~16dB,=20 ~2.5% the power level of the fundamental sideband and the 3rd=20 order is down > 20dB with a power level ~.5% of the fundamental sideband in C-QuAM. This is for a continuous tone and the amount=20 of power in the predistortion for envelope compatibility will be=20 much less on program material over a given period of time. Also=20 the larger level signals are mostly the bass and lower midrange=20 so any stereo difference signal of great energy should have most=20 of it's pre-distortion pass within even the narrower IF filters.=20 What this means is that for program material any predistorted sidebands that fall outside the bandpass during stereo modulation=20 will have a negligable effect if any on coverage. Listeners will=20 not notice a loss in signal strength and any measurements taken=20 for theoretical power loss will in almost all cases be insignificant during stereo transmittion. This whole dispute of whether C-QuAM reduces coverage is just a tempest in a teapot. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 01:39:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69766 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 08:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 08:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 08:39:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 08:37:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:37:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Northwest AM Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 236 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's another web site I discovered, which is keeping track of which stations broadcast in AM Stereo in the Northwest Washington state and Southwest British Columbia (Canada) region: http://members.shaw.ca/nwbroadcasters/ampage.htm From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 02:24:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31490 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 09:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 09:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41003.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 09:24:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20030902092135.92537.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.42.243] by web41003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 02:21:35 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 02:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Northwest AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Yeah, and how many of those were Canadian? All but 3 or so? The U.S. side has to get the ball rolling again. Pitiful! The paucity of stereo broadcasting is atrocious on this side of the border! 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Sep 02 03:00:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96569 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 10:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 10:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 10:00:18 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.211.155.126]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030902100014.XTDZ1780.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 06:00:14 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c37139$023afa40$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Myrtle Beach Bandscan Part 3 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 06:00:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Bob ! These are daytime only (10am to 3pm). As you can see, they are very incomplete at the end of the dial as I was running out of time. I would LOVE to do a nightime Bandscan from Myrtle Beach. I would have done a quick one, but listening from the Motel room was impossible. There was serious LOUD buzzing coming from somewhere. The only spot that was quiet was ON the beach, so nightime listening was tough because there are MORE people on the beach at night than in the day. Next time, I will have to find a more quiet location so I can do a night Bandscan. What I did hear was cool though. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:19 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Myrtle Beach Bandscan Part 3 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > Last but not least. This is very incomplete. > > 1180-WMYT-Carolina Beach, NC > 1200-WMIR-Atlantic Beach, SC > 1210-UNID > 1220-WINC Whiteville, NC > 1230-WSRB-New Smyna Beach, FL > 1240-UNID-WFOY-St. Augustine, FL > 1250-WTMA-Charleston, SC > 1260-UNID > 1300-WTIR-Cocoa, FL > 1330-WPJS-Conway, SC > 1340-WROD-Daytona Beach, FL > 1370-WTAB-Tabor City, NC > 1420-WAOC-St. Augustine, FL > 1470-UNID-WCFB ? / WLMC-Lumberton, NC > 1510-UNID / WTXY-Whiteville, NC > 1550-WBSC-Bennetville, SC > 1560-WINT-Melbourne, FL > 1570-WGSR-Fernandina Beach, FL > 1590-WVOE-Chadbourne, NC > Are these bandscans representing daytime reception only?If so ....what would a night-time bandscan yield there in Myrtle Beach SC? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering--Max Media Radio Group WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:matlnenginerinsc@earthlink.net,MidAtlanticEngin@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereo-subcribe@topica.com ------------------------KC4QLP Amateur Radio------------------------- Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Echolink node # 56703 -- 145.250 VHF,440.850 UHF (PL 131.8) _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oscar@globility.com Tue Sep 02 05:13:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91327 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 12:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 12:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 12:13:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 12:12:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:12:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo soundbites CFCO & WJR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 684 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > If anyone is looking for the FTA-100 air samples of CFCO and WJR > > recorded by John P, they're > > at "http://www.fanfare.com/soundbites.html" > > Great stuff! Just one glitch... the link for the CFCO logo is > incorrect. It points to a local file on the C: drive, which > obviously won't work for those viewing this page on the web. Fixed. Thanks Kevin. Although I'm at a loss to know how it would be that I can see the logo when looking at the page on the web. To all you recording engineers out there, my apologies. There are false starts in some of the cuts. I'll fix them ASAP. MS From oscar@globility.com Tue Sep 02 06:28:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52524 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 13:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 13:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 13:28:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 13:25:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:25:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo soundbites CFCO & WJR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 639 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: If anyone is looking for the FTA-100 air samples of CFCO and WJR > > > recorded by John P, they're > > > at "http://www.fanfare.com/soundbites.html" > To all you recording engineers out there, my apologies. There are > false starts in some of the cuts. I'll fix them ASAP. > > MS Guess I shouldn't be so critical of mineself ;-) I re-processed the WAV files to MP-3's and softened the intro as well. Some still false start on the browser MP3 player, which is what a lot of surfers will be using. Perhaps someone out there has a suggestion? M.S. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 06:34:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3208 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 13:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 13:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 13:34:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20030902133337.95747.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 06:33:37 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 06:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Just when the ball started rolling, it hit the fan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I can't believe it - I just lost a regional AM stereo here last week, and got the standard reply after my inquiry: "We have recently ceased our stereo broadcast. There are many reasons for XXXX doing this. One; there is a serious lack of consumer radios supporting AM stereo and the level of support given by radio manufacturers has taken a tremendous dive in the last few years. Two: there is a trade off in modulation levels with stereo vs. mono in AM broadcasting. An AM station can modulate "harder" when mono, thus increasing coverage area. These are the two main reasons XXXX has ceased stereo programming. You may notice in larger markets such as Toledo and Fort Wayne, the power house AM stations stopped their stereo broadcast a few years ago and are concentrating on the future of AM radio, In Band On Channel (IBOC) AM digital. This is the path that XXXX is looking toward. Thanks for listening." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 07:29:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57863 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 14:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 14:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 14:29:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 14:29:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:28:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo soundbites CFCO & WJR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 888 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Guess I shouldn't be so critical of mineself ;-) They sounded okay to me the first time around -- except the quality of the MP3 encoding would be improved if you used a 10 kHz low-pass filter before or during encoding. That way, it won't "waste" bits on trying to encode the audio above 10 kHz, which is only noise and hiss anyway. Alas, that's always been the Catch-22 of AM Stereo MP3 airchecks -- the limiting factor is not the quality of the analog broadcast itself, but rather the digitally compressed encoding... especially when you try to provide a balance between fidelity and file size/download time. For most purposes, 128 kbps (with an appropriate low-pass filter) is fine, but lately I've preferred using the LAME encoder with its "--alt-preset standard" variable bit-rate mode, which preserves some extra fidelity with only a moderate increase in file size. From oscar@globility.com Tue Sep 02 07:47:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28834 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 14:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 14:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.140) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 14:47:38 -0000 Received: from MTS-HAL-II (perdition.echo-on.net [205.189.151.14]) by smtp3.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFFA5541 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200309021047130656.00AE4DF2@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:47:13 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Northwest AM Stereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I found this list very interesting. Thanks, Kevin. Does anyone here know if there are AM translators in the U.S.? M.S. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 02/09/2003 at 8:37 AM Kevin T. wrote: >Here's another web site I discovered, which is keeping track of >which stations broadcast in AM Stereo in the Northwest Washington >state and Southwest British Columbia (Canada) region: > >http://members.shaw.ca/nwbroadcasters/ampage.htm > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From oscar@globility.com Tue Sep 02 07:51:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58969 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 14:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 14:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.140) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 14:51:53 -0000 Received: from MTS-HAL-II (perdition.echo-on.net [205.189.151.14]) by smtp3.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922C1556B for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200309021047130093.00AE4BC0@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:47:13 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy After reading all this hype on the Lennox radio, I decided to drop the $5. = on one at a Family Dollar store. Was it supposed to be convertible to AM-st= ereo or something? Otherwise, I see nothing special in this piece but some half-decent die wor= k (the battery compartment cover fits really nicely) and some bubble packag= ing that, I hope, would find itself in recycling, as opposed to a landfill.= I wonder how much it costs society for that little marketing "convenience= "? MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 02/09/2003 at 2:02 AM Amy Mousie wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 > wrote: >>=20 >> --- bta_50g wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> > The majorty of radios with FM also receive FM >> > stereo, making it=20 >> > worthwhile to transmit in that mode.=20 >>=20 >> If you want to use "radio" a lot of radios are just >> mono....but, a lot of so called "radios" do not do a >> very good job of receiving, but for a handfull of >> dollars ( or maybe CENTS) what do you expect... > >More than 80% of all convenience-store radios are FM only and mono. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 07:56:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70164 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 14:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 14:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 14:56:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 14:55:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:55:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Just when the ball started rolling, it hit the fan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030902133337.95747.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1769 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > "We have recently ceased our stereo broadcast. There are many > reasons for XXXX doing this. One; there is a serious lack of > consumer radios supporting AM stereo Over 24 million + thousands of radios in new cars & trucks every month isn't enough? > and the level of support given by radio manufacturers has taken a > tremendous dive in the last few years. The same thing could be said about their support of high-quality AM and FM tuners in general. These days, *good* radios are few and far between, although they *are* out there if you know where to look. > there is a trade off in modulation levels with stereo vs. mono in AM > broadcasting. An AM station can modulate "harder" when mono, thus > increasing coverage area. Except if this station is using antiquated or underperforming equipment, that is unequivocally false -- the same +125% / -100% modulation limit applies regardless if you broadcast in mono or Stereo. > These are the two main reasons XXXX has ceased stereo programming. Yeah, and I bet the other "non-main" reason is that a low-fidelity "it's not a problem as long as we're still on the air" AM mono signal takes less engineering expense to maintain.... > the future of AM radio, In Band On Channel (IBOC) AM digital. That must be why the ratio of AM Stereo stations to IBOC stations is greater than 100 to 1, and the radio of AM Stereo receivers to IBOC receivers is virtually Infinity to 1! > This is the path that XXXX is looking toward. I bet they're also looking toward the path of declining ratings and revenue... when a station doesn't care about the quality of their audio, that often means they don't care about the quality of their programming, either. > Thanks for listening." Not anymore, I bet... From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Sep 02 08:02:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81181 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 15:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 15:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 15:02:27 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:01:48 -0600 Message-ID: <00d001c37163$22c2f950$5401010a@AM> To: References: <200309021047130093.00AE4BC0@mail.globility.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 08:59:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's not a bad little radio, Marv. We all noticed that the AM side has some really nice bandwidth compared to most AM radios you can purchase these days.....especially the cheap ones. Bought one and gave it to my wife and even through the built-in speaker, people at her work were asking her "what? That's AM ?? Wow, that sounds good!" Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr.M.S. To: Kevin Tekel Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:47 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? After reading all this hype on the Lennox radio, I decided to drop the $5. on one at a Family Dollar store. Was it supposed to be convertible to AM-stereo or something? Otherwise, I see nothing special in this piece but some half-decent die work (the battery compartment cover fits really nicely) and some bubble packaging that, I hope, would find itself in recycling, as opposed to a landfill. I wonder how much it costs society for that little marketing "convenience"? MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 02/09/2003 at 2:02 AM Amy Mousie wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: >> >> --- bta_50g wrote: >> >> >> > The majorty of radios with FM also receive FM >> > stereo, making it >> > worthwhile to transmit in that mode. >> >> If you want to use "radio" a lot of radios are just >> mono....but, a lot of so called "radios" do not do a >> very good job of receiving, but for a handfull of >> dollars ( or maybe CENTS) what do you expect... > >More than 80% of all convenience-store radios are FM only and mono. > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From krichards@wor710.com Tue Sep 02 08:25:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49608 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 15:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 15:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 15:25:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 15:23:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 15:23:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: C-Quam Coverage and Loudness issues Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4145 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Those of you who claim there is no loss of coverage or loudness have little or no practical experience with this issue. I can tell you this is a legitimate problem, particularly with directional arrays. Basically what happens is in the nulls or "phase- out" points in the pattern C-Quam can cause issues, where a standard mono radio cannot recieve the signal well. In the case of a C-Quam radio, you get platform shift in these areas of reduced signal. Most consumers or end users have no idea what platform shift is or sounds like, they just know something is wrong...hence the issue. This kind of behavior is typically exhibited when you have an in line array of 4 or 5 towers, where there are bizarre nulls that cause reception to behave badly. These kind of arrays (usually a lower power local station or regional) typified one of the major issues about C-Quam in the 80's. It would always be a "chase the null" situation, of some 5kw in line array, where the general manager or the owner always lived or tried to listen on the way into the office driving through one of these crazy nulls. I can describe several of these situations since I personally had to get the field strength meter and go out along a radial and "chase the null", on several occasions. Although there are known cases where this problem existed where even the mono signal would not get through in these nulls, the C-Quam siganl only exacerbated the problem, where as Kahn ISB helped the issue. We always had C-Quam problems like this and the Kahn system had less issues like this. There were FCC hearings about this during the proceedings to approve C-Quam. It really is simple physics, if your carrier is phase modulated, it has the capabilty to cause trouble in areas of the pattern where you have nulls. It can easily cause a phasing issue, which when decoded in the radio can cause wacky reception issues like low volume, single side reception, or just plain distortion. If you read Motorola's papers and sales brochures from the eighties they always warned that C-Quam would not resolve reception issues in fringe areas or correct other pattern or signal issues. As a result of these issues there were numerous customer complaints to Motorola, and quite frankly they did little to solve some of these problems in the correct manner, so the legend started, C-Quam will make you "less louder, and therefore you will not get out as far". Now if I were at WSM, with a big ND pattern there is no reason you could not leave the C-Quam on, but there might be issues in some of the coverage area from nulls that naturally occur. Maybe this is what they are having issues with. Loudness with C-Quam is merely a processing issue, there can be no noticible difference in Mono reception with C-Quam,(if it is done right) with Kahn this is a major problem, because of the hardware. Remember: "The Hardest Thing About Stereo Is MONO". But you have to keep the pattern in mind when discussing this. It seems to me at this point if HD will not operate at night, then IBOC by day and C-Quam at night, which the radios from Visteon do right now. All we need is for someone to write the C-Quam software for Ibiquity's exciter. With Ibquity's new Codec, I do not see this happening anytime. Obviously they want to get HD on all the time, and may accomplish this soon, either with reduced digital carriers at night, or the four point program currently proposed for IBOC operations at night. We expect to have this new Codec On-Air and testing here at WOR shortly. In the meantime remember that most station managers figure if they get 5 complaints about something then that means there are another 500 who did not bother to complain. This is probably the case at WSM. But it is a legitimate problem, one of physics, good audio processing, a pattern free of freaky nulls, and an engineer who will put his foot down to stupid complaints and program directors and station owners and managers who think they know all about AM Stereo and audio processing, etc etc. I'm speaking from practical experience here. Kerry..... From oscar@globility.com Tue Sep 02 08:41:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87236 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 15:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 15:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.140) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 15:40:59 -0000 Received: from MTS-HAL-II (perdition.echo-on.net [205.189.151.14]) by smtp3.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13001555A for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200309021138010671.00DCD042@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: <00d001c37163$22c2f950$5401010a@AM> References: <200309021047130093.00AE4BC0@mail.globility.com> <00d001c37163$22c2f950$5401010a@AM> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:38:01 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy HI Michael: I didn't want to say this on the list, but I have to tell you that what got= me intertested in radio was a neat little portable whose brand name I can = no longer remember. It was about 23 years ago. The FM-stereo sound through = the earphones was marvellous! I use portables when I am travelling and some are good .. most are atrociou= s in terms of sound, unless you want to pay bigger bucks than most would co= nsider. But, I sometimes found myself adjusting my expectations when I was = in the marine electronics business. Working on a boat, installing a radar o= r such like, a small portable was all I had and I might listen to it all da= y. Bearing that in mind, a Lennox radio would likely qualify as more than a= cceptable. However, you know, if it's news or Frank Zappa, anything you can listen to = is OK ;-)). Cheers, Marv *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 02/09/2003 at 8:59 AM Michael J. Richard wrote: >It's not a bad little radio, Marv. We all noticed that the AM side has >some really nice bandwidth compared to most AM radios you can purchase >these days.....especially the cheap ones. Bought one and gave it to my >wife and even through the built-in speaker, people at her work were asking >her "what? That's AM ?? Wow, that sounds good!" > >Michael n WYO > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Mr.M.S.=20 > To: Kevin Tekel=20 > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:47 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? > > > After reading all this hype on the Lennox radio, I decided to drop the >$5. on one at a Family Dollar store. Was it supposed to be convertible to >AM-stereo or something? > > Otherwise, I see nothing special in this piece but some half-decent die >work (the battery compartment cover fits really nicely) and some bubble >packaging that, I hope, would find itself in recycling, as opposed to a >landfill. I wonder how much it costs society for that little marketing >"convenience"? > > MS > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 02/09/2003 at 2:02 AM Amy Mousie wrote: > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 > > wrote: > >>=20 > >> --- bta_50g wrote: > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> > The majorty of radios with FM also receive FM > >> > stereo, making it=20 > >> > worthwhile to transmit in that mode.=20 > >>=20 > >> If you want to use "radio" a lot of radios are just > >> mono....but, a lot of so called "radios" do not do a > >> very good job of receiving, but for a handfull of > >> dollars ( or maybe CENTS) what do you expect... > > > >More than 80% of all convenience-store radios are FM only and mono. > > > >Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 09:16:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26241 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 16:16:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 16:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 16:16:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 16:16:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:16:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200309021047130093.00AE4BC0@mail.globility.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 392 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.228 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M.S." wrote: > After reading all this hype on the Lennox radio, I decided to drop the $5. on one at a Family Dollar store. Was it supposed to be convertible to AM-stereo or something? No; the Lennox was brought up as an example that even on the cheap, there can still be good-sounding AM radio-- Even if it's mono. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 09:27:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96063 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 16:27:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 16:27:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 16:27:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 16:27:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:27:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00d001c37163$22c2f950$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 771 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.228 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > It's not a bad little radio, Marv. We all noticed that the AM side has some really nice bandwidth compared to most AM radios you can purchase these days.....especially the cheap ones. Bought one and gave it to my wife and even through the built-in speaker, people at her work were asking her "what? That's AM ?? Wow, that sounds good!" This also brings up the issue of whether cheap = poor quality in terms of radios, as it does take extra components to reduce the bandwidth. I think in general it's a conscious effort to design poor-performing radios, not because it's cheap, but because they feel they can get away with it. Nobody's going to complain. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 09:33:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80182 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 16:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 16:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80506.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 16:33:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20030902163317.75438.qmail@web80506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.35.148.185] by web80506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:33:17 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3F5416B3.24CD0854@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Neal Newman wrote: > Powell I still have not Been able to get my RCA to > operate on 1885kc > The Ocsillator wont Run. Probably have to change a > capacitor in the Oscillator Circuit But dont know > which one or a > value to use... > Neal Talk to N2BC. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 09:36:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87269 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 16:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 16:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80503.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 16:36:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20030902163549.52687.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.35.148.185] by web80503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:35:49 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Northwest AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200309021047130656.00AE4DF2@mail.globility.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Mr.M.S." wrote: > I found this list very interesting. Thanks, Kevin. > > Does anyone here know if there are AM translators in > the U.S.? NO Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Sep 02 09:36:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76834 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 16:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 16:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 16:36:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 16:35:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:35:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM mono vs. Stereo loudness Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3906 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.209 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Kevin, you are just shooting yourself in the foot with that argument, which only goes to demonstrate that a listener to an AM stereo station, who is listening on a monophonic AM radio will receive a degraded signal with lower modulation levels and hence reduced coverage. Unfortunately it is hard to know for sure precisely what your example shows because you apparently didn't reference the "Peak Amplitude" measurements to 100% envelope modulation, so we could get a feel for where we are level wise. Speaking of which you have reminded me the FCC AM stereo rules limit the maximum angular modulation to 1.25 radians, which translates to about 75% envelope modulation in the negative direction for single channel stereo modulation. This means about a 2.5 dB loss of loudness, and hence coverage, for a listener with a monophonic radio listening to an AM stereo station with a lot of separation. To understand this consider the perhaps simpleminded case of a sports caster interviewing a baseball star, with the sports caster panned full left, and the baseball player panned full right. When either of the participants speak, they will produce single channel audio which by the FCC rules must be limited to a negative peak envelope modulation of only 75%, which is what the listener to a monophonic radio will hear. If this same interview were transmitted on a monophonic AM station, the audio processor could bring the envelope modulation for both speakers up to 100% peak negative modulation, making the mono station 2.5 dB louder in this situation, with a corresponding increase in coverage. The coverage loss begins to add up when you add this loss to the loss due to the dispersion of the envelope modulation energy towards the channel edges caused by the stereo signal, plus other losses, so you can begin to see how some stations might figure AM stereo was a bad deal, especially considering the very small minority of their listeners who could benefit from AM stereo broadcasts. John Give me Digital, or give me Mono. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Kevin, your argument doesn't hold water! You can just as well > > "crank it up a notch" in mono, thereby keeping one jump ahead of > > the C-Quam coverage. > > For AM Stereo listeners, a stereo signal will always have the > advantage in "loudness" over mono signals. Especially with C-Quam's > matrix processing, the L-R stereo difference component can add > significant loudness to the resulting audio, while with a monaural > signal, the L-R component drops out entirely. > > Stereo's loudness advantage is easy to prove -- just take a recording > of AM Stereo featuring prominent stereo separation and measure its > loudness statistics -- then sum the recording to mono, as if you had > received it on a plain AM mono receiver, and measure the statistics > again. The stereo recording will always show a higher peak amplitude > and RMS loudness, because of the presence of the L-R component, which > the mono recording lacks. > > I just did that myself, using the airchecks of 1240 KEVA that Michael > J. posted to his site: > > http://www.1240keva.com/airchecks/ > > In AM Stereo: > > Peak Amplitude: 0 dB > Average RMS Loudness: -18.7 dB > Maximum RMS Loudness: -10.59 dB > > In Mono: > > Peak Amplitude: -4.66 dB > Average RMS Loudness: -19.84 dB > Maximum RMS Loudness: -11.89 dB > > (All statistics provided by Cool Edit Pro 1.2a.) > > Thus, in this case, AM Stereo's loudness advantage is: > > Peak Amplitude: +4.66 dB > Average RMS Loudness: +1.14 dB > Maximum RMS Loudness: +1.3 dB > > And this is just from two short clips totaling less than 2 minutes. > If these statistics were taken over a significant amount of time -- > say, over an hour's worth of program material -- the difference would > become more distinct. From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Sep 02 09:41:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69190 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 16:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 16:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 16:41:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 16:40:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:40:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Just when the ball started rolling, it hit the fan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1596 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.209 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > there is a trade off in modulation levels with stereo vs. mono in > > AM broadcasting. An AM station can modulate "harder" when mono, > > thus increasing coverage area. > > Except if this station is using antiquated or underperforming > equipment, that is unequivocally false -- the same +125% / -100% > modulation limit applies regardless if you broadcast in mono or > Stereo. It is actually your statement that is "unequivocally false"! The same envelope modulation limits do not apply to both Mono and stereo broadcasts. Stereo broadcasts have an additional limitation on the angular modulation, which is limited to a peak of 1.25 radians. This means that 100% negative envelope modulation is the absolute maximum negative modulation permitted under any condition, but there are conditions where the 1.25 radian limit on angular modulation will limit the peak negative envelope modulation to less than 100%, resulting in a loss of up to 2.5 dB in level. An example of this is single channel stereo modulation, where the negative envelope modulation is limited to about 75% peak negative modulation because of the restriction on angular modulation. This translates into a loss of loudness of up to 2.5 dB for an AM stereo station as compared with a Mono AM station broadcasting the same program material, and loudness translates directly into coverage. Take off your rose colored glasses and think about it, try to understand the technology. John Give me Digital, or give me Mono. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 09:43:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96483 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 16:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 16:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 16:43:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 16:36:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:36:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: C-Quam Coverage and Loudness issues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1383 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.228 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > Those of you who claim there is no loss of coverage or loudness have > little or no practical experience with this issue. > > I can tell you this is a legitimate problem, particularly with > directional arrays. Basically what happens is in the nulls or "phase- > out" points in the pattern C-Quam can cause issues, where a standard > mono radio cannot recieve the signal well. In the case of a C-Quam > radio, you get platform shift in these areas of reduced signal. Most > consumers or end users have no idea what platform shift is or sounds > like, they just know something is wrong...hence the issue. This is just a cop-out, and we all know it. Both IBOC and C-QUAM require addressing phasing issues to work properly (which means no lazy engineering, prevelant in today's broadcasting), and even IBOC requires an even tighter phasing criteria than C-QUAM merely because of the greater bandwidth involved. Your excuse that you couldn't do C-QUAM doesn't hold water, and iun fact, under your current IBOC phasing, you would have FANTASTIC C- QUAM, since the antenna phasing would have a bandwidth grerater than needed for C-QUAM. Personally, I just find this stupid and lazy, but that's ju7st one mouse's opinion. Take that as you will, which I doubt you will. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 09:45:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97565 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 16:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 16:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 16:45:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 16:43:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:43:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM mono vs. Stereo loudness Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 592 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.228 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > Speaking of which you have reminded me the FCC AM stereo rules limit > the maximum angular modulation to 1.25 radians, which translates to > about 75% envelope modulation in the negative direction for single > channel stereo modulation. This means about a 2.5 dB loss of > loudness, and hence coverage, for a listener with a monophonic Well, now, let's see..... Maximum AM modulation allowed in 125%, not 200% or 250%, and 75% + 75% = 150%, so..... Sorry, your argument does not bear out. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Sep 02 10:00:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50419 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 17:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 17:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 17:00:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 17:00:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:00:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM mono vs. Stereo loudness Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 348 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.209 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > Well, now, let's see..... Maximum AM modulation allowed in 125%, not > 200% or 250%, and 75% + 75% = 150%, so..... Huh? What does all that gobbledi gook mean, it sounds like you just arrived home from a strange party, could you elaborate just a tiny bit? John From krichards@wor710.com Tue Sep 02 10:06:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34126 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 17:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 17:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 17:06:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 17:06:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:06:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM mono vs. Stereo loudness Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2927 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 While John's mathmatical appraisal of the situation is quite accurate, in practice, I always found there was very little Stereo audio that created this much deviation in the L-R signal. An Optimod 9200 properly adjusted, really helps here. Since the loss of audio and coverage area can be so subjective in the real world. But the bottom line on any of this is where you are in relation to the transmitter and antenna, this is the major cause of reception troubles which has been documented and proved over and over again with C-Quam, Kahn ISB, and even IBOC, as well as good 'ole mono. The other thing to keep in mind, is when all of this got hot and heavy about 1985 and into the '90s, we did not have the sitaution we have today. A lot of the stations that were trying to convert to some kind of AM Stereo had degraded arrays and signals. This was way before the recent allowing of regionals and locals to use highly directional high powered arrays to correct issues. Take for example a station that might have been 10kw day and 5kw night, now with a new antenna is at 50kw full time. There are many of these stations. The old WJW in Cleveland, now WHK which was WRMR at 850 was originally 10kw with a deteriorated array. They rebulit the whole thing it's now 50kw, great signal in Cleveland, less issues locally. There are lots of places like this all over, we did not have any of this 20 years ago. So there were major issues. WNBC was another station which had few issues, but it's 50KW clear good ground system, good signal at 660, like having 150kw, their Stereo whether it was Kahn or C-Quam behaved very well. My boss (Tom Ray) put the AM Stereo on at WTIC, it sounded great! Almost like FM...... But we are talking about major stations with good signals, good ground systems and an engineering staff that has an idea how things work. Not so in places like Pittsburgh, or even Philadelphia, were some stations had major trouble, from deteriorated arrays or signal problems, along with managers and operators who had no idea what was going on, or the resources to correct the issues. The above problem is the major reason C-Quam and AM Stereo of any kind has gotton a somewhat unfair "bad rap". Just look at the iBOC issues, do you think Ibquity ever expected all of these issues that have surfaced? It's a real uphill road to climb, just from the bad rap AM Stereo has had. Whether it be the math, or the practical side, any AM Stereo system has issues. Look at the current situation! C-Quam: issues, Kahn ISB: issues IBOC: issues too! The real question is which one works the best under all circumstances? There will always be some trade off for Mono listeners. Kerry - In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > Kevin, you are just shooting yourself in the foot with that argument, only goes to demonstrate that a listener to an AM stereo > From dan@broadcasttechnical.com Tue Sep 02 10:13:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dan@broadcasttechnical.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50507 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 17:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 17:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 17:13:41 -0000 Received: from dan.broadcasttechnical.com ([64.180.122.175]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030902171340.BPGL11996.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@dan.broadcasttechnical.com> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:13:40 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20030902100211.026795e0@pop.telusplanet.net> X-Sender: swdbts@telusplanet.net@pop.telusplanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:24:23 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM mono vs. Stereo loudness In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Dan Roach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157087100 X-Yahoo-Profile: rastadudeca Speaking as a professional broadcast engineer that has installed and maintained many AM stereo stations, John's statement regarding limiting single channel modulation to roughly 75% is exactly correct. The implication is that mono material is (obviously) the same level transmitted in mono or stereo, but single channel modulation must be limited. Another factor was that earlier stereo decoder chips didn't like to see -100% L+R modulation, and would often drop to mono for a few seconds or make popping sounds (AM stereo theory nothwithstanding) should this occur. Most of us learned to back off on the -L+R just a bit to allow for that. Another factor is that AM stereo is purported to be an exercise in improving AM transmission quality. Ramming as much audio as possible against a peak clipper until the threshold of "I can't stand any more distortion" doesn't seem consistent with that goal, although that is what many AM mono stations apparently do... The net result is that for practical purposes, AM stereo transmissions are not modulated as heavily as mono... Dan Dan Roach S.W.Davis Broadcast Technical Services 200-1543 Venables St Vancouver, BC V5L 2G8 Tel 604 255 2200 Fax 604 255 4083 dan@broadcasttechnical.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 10:16:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7741 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 17:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 17:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 17:16:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 17:15:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:15:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Just when the ball started rolling, it hit the fan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1292 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Take off your rose colored glasses and think about it, try to > understand the technology. Nearly every technological advancement carries with it some drawback or weakness. But often, those who criticize such drawbacks are making a mountain out of a molehill, by not considering the grander scheme of things. For example, FM Stereo offers a signal-to-noise ratio 20 dB worse than mono FM, but I don't see too many FM stations turning their stereo off because of this flaw in the system, because they find the benefit of stereo sound to be worthwhile enough to justify its use -- even if some listeners on the fringe of their signal would be better served if they reverted to transmitting in mono. Arguments about technical specifications also fail to consider that many stations have experienced an *increase* in "loudness" after implementing AM Stereo or FM Stereo, because of the benefits of newer, more sophisticated studio, audio processing, STL, and transmitting equipment that is often installed as part of the upgrade to stereo. Nobody is forcing you to broadcast in either AM Stereo or FM Stereo if you think it will hurt your signal. But nothing is gained by arguing minute technical details which often have little to no relevance to real-world conditions. From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Sep 02 11:08:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85748 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 18:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 18:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 18:08:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (d28-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.60]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h82I6ED88760 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:06:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:05:26 -0700 Subject: Tom Ray / WTIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1062523005.1519.7746.m13@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: <07A26B31-DD70-11D7-97C5-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Tom did do a great job. I remember living up in the northeast and listening to WTIC in CT and RI. They sounded good. I have a QSL from those days from WTIC. The only problem with WTIC is that their signal is strange and doesn't carry far because of the ground conductivity. They have never gotten out well. Kevin On Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 10:16 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > My boss (Tom Ray) put the AM Stereo on at WTIC, it sounded great! > Almost like FM...... > From bjackson@indyradio.com Tue Sep 02 11:38:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64733 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 18:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 18:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 18:38:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 18:37:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:37:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 502 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > Am I going to have to start using my "sig" line motto again, "Give me > Digital, or give me Mono"? Radio was meant to be either mono, or > digital stereo, C-Quam is a half baked compromise that is neither fish > nor foul. So, if I read your messages right, you're saying that back in the 1910's/20's those who invented radio broadcasting had digital in mind? That all the work for FM and AM stereo was a waste??? -Brad From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 14:02:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93248 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 21:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 21:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 21:02:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20030902210109.88671.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:01:09 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Modulation Max? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Didn't somebody on the list indicate that they rammed +140% peak modulation in their CQuam exciter and it still worked decent? As far as the 75% deal - listen to the AM Stereo samples on the Fanfare webpage: good 'ole Blue Eye's "That's Life" sure didn't suffer any loudness issues with that drastic stereo mix did it, or would I have only noticed it on a mono radio? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 15:43:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 120 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 22:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 22:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 22:43:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 22:43:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:43:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Lennox sound home page Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 39 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Powell E. Way III" X-Originating-IP: 209.213.26.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Can someone repost it for me? Powell From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Sep 02 15:44:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52366 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 22:43:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 22:43:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 22:43:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 22:43:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:43:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Modulation Max? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030902210109.88671.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 983 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Didn't somebody on the list indicate that they rammed +140% peak > modulation in their CQuam exciter and it still worked decent? That's fine until you go on the air with it, then the FCC would probably take exception if they happened to notice it. > As far as the 75% deal - listen to the AM Stereo samples on the > Fanfare webpage: good 'ole Blue Eye's "That's Life" sure didn't > suffer any loudness issues with that drastic stereo mix did it, or > would I have only noticed it on a mono radio? I haven't heard the samples on the Fanfare web page, and in any case I am not sure what individual samples with no reference tell us about coverage, but yes, if he was singing in only one channel you would mainly notice the loss of loudness with a mono radio, the stereo radio would be fine with a single channel level similar to what you would hear on a mono station with 100% modulation. John From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Sep 02 15:46:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61198 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 22:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 22:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 22:46:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 22:46:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:46:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM mono vs. Stereo loudness Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3585 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > While John's mathmatical appraisal of the situation is quite=20 > accurate, in practice, I always found there was very little Stereo=20 > audio that created this much deviation in the L-R signal. >=20 > An Optimod 9200 properly adjusted, really helps here. Since the loss=20 > of audio and coverage area can be so subjective in the real world. >=20 Yes this is where matrix processing can overcome these issues. There is no reason why that during heavy single channel modulation that would cause > =B11.25rad deviation that the processor could reduce the extreme pan to one side to maximize mono loudness and stay within the =B11.25rad limit. > But the bottom line on any of this is where you are in relation to=20 > the transmitter and antenna, this is the major cause of reception=20 > troubles which has been documented and proved over and over again=20 > with C-Quam, Kahn ISB, and even IBOC, as well as good 'ole mono. > Of all the phased systems, Magnavox, Motorola, & Harris, Both L & R signals are in both sidebands but have a special phase relationship that when both sidebands combine an amplitude and phased signal is produced with L+R on the envelope and L-R in the phase component. For proper tx/rx the sidebands must have a symetrical phase rersponse to maintain separation and for the non-linear systems including Kahn the the whole passband must not only be symetrical but also have a flat group delay time for proper distortion correction. This puts stringent requirements on all components of the transmittion medium, exciter, antenna and receiver. It is obvious that any DA system that has phase problems with mono would only be magnified with a signal with a phase component. This is where the Kahn system helps to=20 overcome some issues. Even though the signal starts out as an AM/PM signal, when it is combined in the transmitter the channels separate out into the upper and lower sidebands and any phase asymetry between the sidebands does not affect channel separation but will affect distortion correction. I have to say that the Kahn approach to ISB is my least favorite. Probably the best ISB system with the minimal effects on DAs is a linear system using QuAM and L-R audio phase shifted by 90=B0. Oh, but that wouldn't be envelope compatible. Let's just cosine correct it and call it C-ISB. =20 >=20 > But we are talking about major stations with good signals, good=20 > ground systems and an engineering staff that has an idea how things=20 > work. Not so in places like Pittsburgh, or even Philadelphia, were=20 > some stations had major trouble, from deteriorated arrays or signal=20 > problems, along with managers and operators who had no idea what was=20 > going on, or the resources to correct the issues. > > The above problem is the major reason C-Quam and AM Stereo of any=20 > kind has gotton a somewhat unfair "bad rap". Just look at the iBOC=20 > issues, do you think Ibquity ever expected all of these issues that=20 > have surfaced? It's a real uphill road to climb, just from the bad=20 > rap AM Stereo has had.=20 >=20 > Whether it be the math, or the practical side, any AM Stereo system=20 > has issues. Look at the current situation! >=20 > C-Quam: issues, > Kahn ISB: issues > IBOC: issues too! >=20 > The real question is which one works the best under all circumstances? > There will always be some trade off for Mono listeners. >=20 >=20 > Kerry >=20 >=20 For a conclusion any complex DA with phase issues would only besuitable for mono and leave PM type systems for NDs and well=20 phased DAs. JSG From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Sep 02 16:18:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38732 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 23:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 23:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 23:18:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 23:16:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:16:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: LISTEN TO 1593 IN AM STEREO LIVE!! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 134 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.5.190 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Direct from Ireland and streamed from Brighton UK http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls? rn=7078826&file=filename.pls From tomray@wor710.com Tue Sep 02 16:19:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57816 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 23:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 23:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 23:19:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 23:19:32 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99714 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 18:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 18:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 18:14:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 18:13:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:13:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Tom Ray / WTIC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <07A26B31-DD70-11D7-97C5-00050291D22F@fastq.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 870 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 02 Sep 2003 23:19:31 -0000 Thanks. WTIC's signal problem is that the antenna is on top of the rock known as Avon Mountain. Rocks don't have very good conductivity. In the winter, the RF field would almost triple with snow cover because all of a sudden there was conductivity! What a hoot. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin wrote: > Tom did do a great job. I remember living up in the northeast and > listening to WTIC in CT and RI. They sounded good. I have a QSL from > those days from WTIC. > > The only problem with WTIC is that their signal is strange and doesn't > carry far because of the ground conductivity. They have never gotten out > well. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 16:28:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35030 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 23:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2003 23:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 23:28:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2003 23:27:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:27:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: directional antenna array phase issues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 533 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > For a conclusion any complex DA with phase issues would only > besuitable for mono and leave PM type systems for NDs and well > phased DAs. Some directional arrays are hardly even suitable for mono AM. Try listening to 620 WSNR in Hunterdon County, NJ... the nulls are so bad that their lower sideband almost completely cancels out, leaving you with a pseudo-SSB signal that actually gives better reception when tuned to 624 kHz! And do you think WSNR has a chance of ever successfully using IBOC? Ha! When toasters fly! From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Sep 02 17:09:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82762 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 00:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 00:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 00:09:48 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8308As31434 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:08:10 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8308A603366 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:08:10 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8308Ai03360 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:08:10 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:08:10 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47183@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: directional antenna array phase issues Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:08:08 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 So I guess you could say the SNR is almost non-existent on WSNR ? Sorry I couldn't resist.. :) -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 3 September 2003 9:27 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: directional antenna array phase issues > For a conclusion any complex DA with phase issues would only > besuitable for mono and leave PM type systems for NDs and well > phased DAs. Some directional arrays are hardly even suitable for mono AM. Try listening to 620 WSNR in Hunterdon County, NJ... the nulls are so bad that their lower sideband almost completely cancels out, leaving you with a pseudo-SSB signal that actually gives better reception when tuned to 624 kHz! And do you think WSNR has a chance of ever successfully using IBOC? Ha! When toasters fly! From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Sep 02 17:10:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58937 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 00:10:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 00:10:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 00:10:28 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8304Ps30794; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:04:25 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8304P601000; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:04:25 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8304Oi00981; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:04:25 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:04:24 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47182@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Cc: "'Kerry Richards'" , "'Tom Ray'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} C-Quam Coverage and Loudness issues Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:04:23 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Kerry, On behalf of list members I would like to thank you for this detailed explanation of how directional arrays affect radio coverage. Particularly it is heartening to hear your positive thoughts on a hybrid IBOC Day / C-QUAM Night system. Perhaps with some FCC lobbying from this group we could have an "AM Stereo" standard approved whereby stations wanting to broadcast IBOC are required to use C-QUAM at night to ensure DX'ers and nighttime reception in general is not compromised for other stations on nearby frequencies. As you suggest, Ibiquity could license the CQUAM "codec" from Motorola and incorporate it into their DSP implementation for both their HD Exciter and Radios (using the reference C code Motorola have released for their symphony radio) This would ensure all HD radios are compatible with existing AM stereo stations that haven't converted to HD radio yet, and provides an easy upgrade path that would encourage stations to convert their daytime operation to IBOC and remain C-QUAM at night. This would have to be the best of both worlds for both broadcaster and consumer - guaranteed stereo both daytime and night on al AM stations! As your tests have proven, receiving static/interference free AM during the day in an office building or industrial area is near impossible, however IBOC with it's increase modulation allows static free in-building reception. If the IBOC codec allows more people to listen to AM while at work during the day, that has to be a good thing. Then listeners will jump in their car and on the way home around 5-6pm their HD radio will switch to wideband C-QUAM stereo. As the Visteon HD radio proves, it is relatively easy to provide IBOC and C-QUAM using the same DSP - I have little doubt that the FCC and most stations and DX'ers would approve of HD in this form and if the FCC endorses it we could get to work getting all AM Stations in stereo with interference free digital in the daytime and DX'able stereo C-QUAM at night. I think with "Stereo AM" available 24/7 a lot more people will listen to AM, also the DSP based C-QUAM should be able to be written to include noise-blanking and variable bandwidth so as to eliminate interference on weak signals. All this takes is Ibiquity to admit that IBOC won't work at night due to AM's sky wave propagation and then all parties can work to implement this ultimate hybrid system. Also the Ibiquity radios will need to have a radio of sufficient quality to receive analogue AM in wideband (which they should because they need to be able to receive the digital carriers - eg no modification should be required to the design) Consumers win with this system because all AM stations will now be in stereo and they only need to buy one radio (HD radio) to hear stereo 24/7. Also die hard AM stereo fan's get to listen on their SRF-A100 / SRF-42's at night and provide constructive feedback on the DSP based C-QUAM exciters and decoders. The uptake of the new HD radio's with 24/7 stereo will be quick as there will finally be a compelling reason to listen to AM again! -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Richards [mailto:krichards@wor710.com] Sent: Wednesday, 3 September 2003 1:23 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} C-Quam Coverage and Loudness issues It seems to me at this point if HD will not operate at night, then IBOC by day and C-Quam at night, which the radios from Visteon do right now. All we need is for someone to write the C-Quam software for Ibiquity's exciter. With Ibquity's new Codec, I do not see this happening anytime. Obviously they want to get HD on all the time, and may accomplish this soon, either with reduced digital carriers at night, or the four point program currently proposed for IBOC operations at night. We expect to have this new Codec On-Air and testing here at WOR shortly. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 18:15:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87263 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 01:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 01:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80512.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 01:15:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20030903011532.57885.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.46.12] by web80512.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:15:32 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray / WTIC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > Thanks. > > WTIC's signal problem is that the antenna is on top > of the rock known > as Avon Mountain. Rocks don't have very good > conductivity. In the > winter, the RF field would almost triple with snow > cover because all > of a sudden there was conductivity! What a hoot. > > TR WSB in Atlanta is just about as bad, but there's USUALLY no snow to help. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 18:19:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55095 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 01:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 01:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80511.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 01:18:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20030903011840.88294.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.46.12] by web80511.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:18:40 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: directional antenna array phase issues To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > And do you think WSNR has a chance of ever > successfully using IBOC? > Ha! When toasters fly! But, Kevin, I have seen a toaster fly...um..er... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 19:37:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4982 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 02:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 02:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 02:37:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2003 02:37:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:37:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: directional antenna array phase issues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030903011840.88294.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1083 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > But, Kevin, I have seen a toaster fly...um..er... Speaking of which, I bought a Macintosh LC computer for $2.00 at a hamfest... the entire top half of the case was missing -- I think the guy told me he dropped it and it cracked open. I thought it would just be good for parts, but I got it home, plugged it in, and it works fine! The original 80 meg Quantum hard drive came with System 7.1, an old version of Microsoft Word, and the After Dark screen saver, with the bubbling fish, flying toasters, and more. And I've seen 1.6 GHz Windows machines that run slower than the LC's 16 MHz 68020 CPU! Of course, I still prefer my Amiga. A truly advanced machine for its time -- the Amiga was the world's first personal computer with a 32-bit pre-emptive multitasking operating system, graphical user interface, hi-res full-color video, and 4-channel digital Stereo sound... in 1985! They even offered it with the first computer monitor with built-in Stereo speakers -- at a time when IBM clones only came with a built-in mono PC "squeaker". (No pun intended, Amy!) From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 19:43:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56642 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 02:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 02:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 02:43:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2003 02:43:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:43:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: LISTEN TO 1593 IN AM STEREO LIVE!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 384 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.228 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > Direct from Ireland and streamed from Brighton UK > > http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls? > rn=7078826&file=filename.pls Dave, when you announce these streams, would you mind announcing WHEN you're having them, so when we try, we'll know if the stream is up and running? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bd6xray@lycos.com Tue Sep 02 19:48:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bd6xray@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45875 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 02:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 02:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 02:48:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2003 02:46:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:46:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Tom Ray / WTIC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 591 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bd6xray" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83174981 X-Yahoo-Profile: bd6xray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > In the > winter, the RF field would almost triple with snow cover because > all of a sudden there was conductivity! A multi-year study (Godley) concluded that summer-to-winter changes in AM signal strengths were due mostly to temperature changes. It was found that precipitation, snow, frozen ground and soil moisture content had very little effect on signal levels. Typically a cold front follows winter snow storms, and it is this cold air mass that is the main reason for the increased signal. Al Hajny From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Sep 02 21:27:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76965 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 04:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 04:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 04:27:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:27:22 -0700 Received: from 172.135.91.210 by bay7-dav32.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 04:27:18 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM mono vs. Stereo loudness Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 00:24:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 04:27:22.0796 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABA066C0:01C371D3] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.91.210] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kerry Richards wrote: > The other thing to keep in mind, is when all of this got hot and heavy about 1985 and into the '90s, we did not have the situation we have today. A lot of the stations that were trying to convert to some kind of AM Stereo had degraded arrays and signals. Not to mention the transmitters that were in use at the time! Ever try to get a 5KW RCA Ampliphase to work in C-QUAM? It is almost futile to even try. Now that tubes cost a bloody fortune, most stations have switched to solid state transmitters. Many of these newer transmitters came with the C-QUAM card installed or is an inexpensive option. Another problem that has been solved is the studios of AM stations were all wired MONO and it was a costly conversion to replace the turntable preamps, cart machines, reel decks, and mixing consoles with stereo units. Now nearly all radio studios are wired for stereo, or at least have all stereo equipment in them and just need to be wired for left and right. Today, there is no excuse for an AM station playing music in MONO, and with NRSC, there is no excuse for the crap AM tuners in otherwise nice radios. The FCC should set minimum audio quality standards for AM radios and require ALL radios that include FM Stereo to also include C-QUAM AM Stereo and /or CAM-D > > But we are talking about major stations with good signals, good ground systems and an engineering staff that has an idea how things work. Not so in places like Pittsburgh, or even Philadelphia, When WOGL 1210 in Philly first installed their DX-50 they switched to an oldies format in Stereo and sounded GREAT. I always did like the audio on WOWO 1190 and WLS 890. The "BEST AM Stereo Audio Ever" award should go to WWRL 1600 when they were C-QUAM with WTTM 1680 being a real close second. The best audio I have ever heard on AM or FM was WCRS 1450 in the early '90s. Ol' Charlie Sparks sure knew how to make that BTA1S sing. WCRS was a mono station using Kahn audio processing. > > Whether it be the math, or the practical side, any AM Stereo system has issues. Look at the current situation! > IBOC: issues too! Yes, but if stations did the same work that IBOC requires to convert to C-QUAM instead of just sticking a C-QUAM exciter in the rack of a sh*t box RF plant, AM stereo would have worked very well for almost all AMs > > The real question is which one works the best under all circumstances? So far, from a listener standpoint, Kahn ISB wins that contest. From what is available now, C-QUAM clearly out-performs IBOC-HD Radio in both fidelity and Analog Mono radio compatibility. It will be interesting to see how CAM-D works in the real world. > > There will always be some trade off for Mono listeners. That is very true. With C-QUAM, mono listeners MIGHT loose a little bit of loudness due to the fact you can't crank the audio processing up to "Nose-Bleed" without screwing up the signal, but will benefit from the better fidelity. Stereo listeners hear nice, wide audio with some platform motion in poor reception conditions. With HD Radio, mono listeners hear 5Khz telephone quality audio with LOTS of digital noise. They also loose the ability to listen to other stations within 20 or 30 kHz of the HD station. Digital listeners get to hear swishy "almost stereo" audio of about the same quality as a 28K Real Audio feed on a slow dial-up connection. The digital listener then becomes an analog Mono listener at night, or when outside of the local coverage area of the HD station and gets to put up with all that is bad about HD Radio's analog signal. I have to agree with the other Kevin: "Give me analog, or give me earplugs!" Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Sep 02 21:41:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3300 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 04:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 04:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.18) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 04:41:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:40:33 -0700 Received: from 172.135.91.210 by bay7-dav46.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 04:40:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030902100211.026795e0@pop.telusplanet.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM mono vs. Stereo loudness Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 00:37:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 04:40:33.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[82A65F20:01C371D5] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.91.210] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Dan Roach wrote: > Ramming as much audio as possible against a peak clipper until the threshold of "I can't stand any more distortion" doesn't seem consistent with that goal, although that is what many AM mono stations apparently do... That is what the FM stations do in this market. There is a pretty nasty loudness war going in the Greenville-Spartanburg, SC area. On FM, I have personally monitored 150% peaks and there is one AM station that is running "Balls to the walls" processing with the Positive modulation just wiggling on 160%! Back in the "Good ol' days", if a station tried that, the engineer would be scraping molten transmitter parts from the floor! Ever seen the tubes in an Ampliphase explode? Made the PD have to clean his drawers! LOL Kevin "If I have to sacrifice myself in order to save my comrades, I would rather die with all of them. Why should they live on my expense?" - Quonster in misc.survivalism 1998/12/04 From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Sep 02 22:02:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25495 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 05:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 05:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.9) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 05:02:55 -0000 Received: from logs-wo.proxy.aol.com (logs-wo.proxy.aol.com [205.188.200.6]) by rly-ip05.mx.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-43f55755a1a0; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:00:10 -0400 Received: from ibm (AC875BD2.ipt.aol.com [172.135.91.210]) by logs-wo.proxy.aol.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h834voW7286071 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 04:57:51 GMT Message-ID: <01f801c371d7$8e7bef20$d25b87ac@aoldsl.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-Quam Coverage and Loudness issues Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 00:55:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Apparently-From: DodgeRamTrucker@aol.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.200.6 From: "Possum Hunter" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kerry Richards wrote: >These kind of arrays (usually a lower power local station or regional) typified one of the major issues about C-QUAM in the 80's. It would always be a "chase the null" situation, of some 5kw in line array, where the general manager or the owner always lived or tried to listen on the way into the office driving through one of these crazy nulls. Yea, and just wait till the GM of one of these stations breaks the bank to convert to HD Radio and drives into one of these nulls while listening on his HD AM Radio! He ain't gonna be happy with his engineer! > > In the meantime remember that most station managers figure if they get 5 complaints about something then that means there are another 500 who did not bother to complain. Then there is the kind of owner I recently worked for who thinks that if there is a reception problem at his house, there is a problem with the RF plant. Even after I took him to the tower base and let him see the direct RF current reading for himself, he thought the station was not up to par because he heard noise in his clock radio. Sheez! > >and an engineer who will put his foot down to stupid complaints and program directors and station owners and managers who think they know all about AM Stereo and audio processing, etc etc. At one station I worked at, after the PD blew the tubes in the transmitter screwing with the audio and thr transmitter controles, he left it alone! The price of the tubes came out of HIS paycheck! Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 23:32:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85355 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 06:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 06:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41010.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.9) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 06:32:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20030903063223.41921.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.42.57] by web41010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:32:23 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Northwest AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200309021047130656.00AE4DF2@mail.globility.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Do you mean translators on the F.M. band relaying A.M. stations? Only in Alaska. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Sep 03 02:19:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26446 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 09:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 09:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 09:19:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2003 09:18:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:18:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: LISTEN TO 1593 IN AM STEREO LIVE!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 598 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.10.51 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > Direct from Ireland and streamed from Brighton UK > > > > http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls? > > rn=7078826&file=filename.pls > > Dave, when you announce these streams, would you mind announcing WHEN > you're having them, so when we try, we'll know if the stream is up > and running? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yeak ok will do usually about an hour from post. How about you reply to my emails D... err Any ?! Some weeks now From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 05:55:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96441 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 12:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 12:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 12:55:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20030903125526.14461.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 05:55:26 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 05:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "bta_50g" wrote: "I haven't heard the samples on the Fanfare web page,..." All I can say is: listen to the Fanfare FTA-100-L samples and tell me if you've ever heard an AM HD Radio/IBOC broadcast that sounds that decent? If AM stations listened to the Fanfare samples they would realize what a waste of time and money anything else is for the AM band. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 06:34:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41280 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 13:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 13:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 13:34:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20030903133305.32795.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 06:33:05 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 06:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FTA-100 air checks To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio http://www.fanfare.com/soundbites.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From mikew@lanl.gov Wed Sep 03 07:18:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikew@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89038 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 14:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 14:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 14:18:19 -0000 Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h83EHWvC002768 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:17:32 -0600 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h83EHVlr017293 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:17:32 -0600 Received: from lanl.gov (romulus.lanl.gov [128.165.209.40]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h83EHVaE024228 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:17:31 -0600 Message-ID: <3F55F7FD.9010907@lanl.gov> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:17:33 -0600 Organization: Otowi Medium Wave DXers Club User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030701 X-Accept-Language: en-us, es, en, zh-cn, af, sq, ar, ar-dz, ar-bh, ar-eg, ar-iq, ar-jo, ar-kw, ar-lb, ar-ly, ar-ma, ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye, hy, ast, eu, be, bs, bg, ca, zh, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, hr, cs, da, nl, nl-be, en-au, en-bz, en-ca, en-ie, en-jm, en-nz, en-ph, en-za, en-tt, en-gb, en-zw, eo, et, fo, fi, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch, gl, ka, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, hu, is, id, in, ga, it, it-ch, ja, ko, ko-kp, ko-kr, lv, lt, mk-mk, ms, no, nb, nn, pl, pt, pt-br, ro, ru, gd, sr, sk, sl, sb, es-ar, es-bo, es-cl, es-co, es-cr, es-do, es-ec, es-sv, es-gt, es-hn, es-mx, es-ni, es-pa, es-py, es-pe, es-pr, es-es, es-uy, es-ve, sv, sv-fi, th, tr, uk, vi, cy, xh, yi, zu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Modulation Max? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 From: "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150284724 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6kuy bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > Didn't somebody on the list indicate that they rammed +140% peak > > modulation in their CQuam exciter and it still worked decent? > > That's fine until you go on the air with it, then the FCC would > probably take exception if they happened to notice it. OK, here's a stoopid question from somebody who doesn't have a clue (yeah, I know; There are no stupid questions, just stupid people...) How is it possible to modulate to more than 100% without introducing distortion? Note that I'm not questioning whether it's possible, I'm just curious as to how it's done... -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 07:47:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75546 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 14:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 14:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 14:47:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2003 14:47:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:47:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Modulation Max? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F55F7FD.9010907@lanl.gov> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 823 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > How is it possible to modulate to more than 100% without introducing > distortion? It isn't... it's just a matter of how *much* distortion the listener can tolerate -- or, often, how much distortion the station's PD *thinks* the listener can tolerate! And on FM, by the way, I believe it's not "overmodulation" per se -- it's actually "over-deviation". So, the only theoretical limit is the receiver's IF bandwidth. If the amount of transmitted deviation exceeds the receiver's bandwidth, you'll get (lots of) distortion. More advanced FM receivers (i.e. car radios) which automatically reduce the IF bandwidth as the signal gets weaker exaggerate the effect of over-deviation; when the signal is strong (wide bandwidth), it'll sound fine, but as it gets weak (narrow bandwidth), it'll sound distorted. From jim@burgan.net Wed Sep 03 07:54:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50332 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 14:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 14:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-4.iquest.net) (206.246.180.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 14:54:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 6044 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 14:53:55 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-4.iquest.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 14:53:55 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-234.iquest.net [209.43.58.234]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id ALV22238; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:53:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004f01c3722b$31e112a0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47183@aubwm206> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: directional antenna array phase issues Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:53:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Some directional arrays are hardly even suitable for mono AM. Try > listening to 620 WSNR in Hunterdon County, NJ... the nulls are so bad > that their lower sideband almost completely cancels out, leaving you > with a pseudo-SSB signal that actually gives better reception when > tuned to 624 kHz! > > And do you think WSNR has a chance of ever successfully using IBOC? > Ha! When toasters fly! WSNR's 5 tower nighttime array is one of the tightest DA's in the northeast. Anything that is heard more than a few miles into the null is a miracle. The most directional AM in the USA is Dallas' 1190 (unsure of the current calls), and at night you can be within view of their 12 tower array and unable to hear the station. When I first saw and plotted WSNR's pattern, it made me thing of the Dallas station's pattern. It looks like they put a pretty good signal into lower Manhattan...... have they ever been a factor in NY? From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 08:53:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9711 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 15:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 15:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 15:53:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2003 15:53:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:53:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: LISTEN TO 1593 IN AM STEREO LIVE!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 968 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.228 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" > wrote: > > > Direct from Ireland and streamed from Brighton UK > > > > > > http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls? > > > rn=7078826&file=filename.pls > > > > Dave, when you announce these streams, would you mind announcing > WHEN > > you're having them, so when we try, we'll know if the stream is up > > and running? > > Yeak ok will do usually about an hour from post. How about you reply > to my emails D... err Any ?! Some weeks now Give it a few hours before the streaming, since not everyone reads this group as things are posted. As for the emails, I need to find them (not deleted), and find the time. First-of-the-month stuff keeps me busy. :/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (At least mummy mouse isn't ill right now. :P ) From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Sep 03 09:12:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19353 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 16:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 16:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 16:12:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2003 16:11:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:11:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030903125526.14461.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 885 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > "bta_50g" wrote: "I haven't heard the samples on the > Fanfare web page,..." > > All I can say is: listen to the Fanfare FTA-100-L samples and tell > me if you've ever heard an AM HD Radio/IBOC broadcast that sounds > that decent? If AM stations listened to the Fanfare samples they > would realize what a waste of time and money anything else is for > the AM band. I'm sure the "Fanfare" samples sound wonderful, but aside from the fact that everyone can't afford a Fanfare tuner, audio quality isn't the only issue to be considered. Some others might be: 1.) Additional features and functions that a digital system can provide in addition to the basic audio signal. 2.) Increased freedom from interference. 3.) Contemporary design more in step with current audio trends. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 10:17:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40884 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 17:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 17:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 17:17:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2003 17:17:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:17:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1056 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 1.) Additional features and functions that a digital system can > provide in addition to the basic audio signal. RDS introduced that to the FM band a decade ago -- yet consumer interest has been minimal (at least in North America). People care about what the station broadcasts, not what buttons or displays their radio has. I mean, who watches their radio as they listen to it? People mostly "set it and forget it". As long as it has presets and a Seek button, that's all that really matters when it comes to radio tuning. > 2.) Increased freedom from interference. Fanfare's design provides that, no matter how distant the signal is or what time of day it is -- unlike IBOC's digital reception, which only works over a limited local area, currently during daytime hours only. > 3.) Contemporary design more in step with current audio trends. The Fanfare tuner may not look like a video game or a slot machine, but it doesn't look like it's from the 1970s, either. (Even though I personally favor the "woodgrain and chrome" look...) From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 10:22:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93707 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 17:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 17:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 17:22:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2003 17:21:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:21:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1950 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.244 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > "bta_50g" wrote: "I haven't heard the samples on the > > Fanfare web page,..." > > > > All I can say is: listen to the Fanfare FTA-100-L samples and tell > > me if you've ever heard an AM HD Radio/IBOC broadcast that sounds > > that decent? If AM stations listened to the Fanfare samples they > > would realize what a waste of time and money anything else is for > > the AM band. > > I'm sure the "Fanfare" samples sound wonderful, but aside from the > fact that everyone can't afford a Fanfare tuner, audio quality isn't > the only issue to be considered. Some others might be: The Fanfare tuners are very high-end receivers, but aside from certain enhancements, you can get high-quality AM stereo for $99 or less, if you know where to go (like AudioCubes), instead of the $1800 for an FT-100. > 1.) Additional features and functions that a digital system can > provide in addition to the basic audio signal. Most want to just listen to the damned radio. Bells & whistles mean very little to most. They just take what comes with their car, and buy the cheapest portables. > 2.) Increased freedom from interference. Except IBOC is even more prone to interference than analog AM! One hit, and the digital is knocked out! > 3.) Contemporary design more in step with current audio trends. This is going to be a surprise, but the biggest audio trend right now.....is vinyl. In recent years, LPs and 12" singles have been making a resurgence. I have quite a few friends that are more inclined to buy vinyl rather than CDs. I think the market share is something like 15% to 20% is vinyl, now. The club scene has alot to do with it, as well as a general decline in interest for "mainstream" music, thanks to an out-of-control music industry. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oscar@globility.com Wed Sep 03 12:39:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92644 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 19:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 19:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO darius.pce.net) (208.49.24.11) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 19:39:13 -0000 Received: from ff---2 (as4-buf-25-155.wnysurf.net [208.49.25.155]) by darius.pce.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA26515 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200309031549520610.00458C1B@smtp.pce.net> In-Reply-To: <20030903063223.41921.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030903063223.41921.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (3) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:49:52 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Northwest AM Stereo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy AM to FM makes sense. Too bad only in Alaska. BTW, if you want to see some real Alaska real estate, take a look at the mo= vie "Insomnia" with Al Pacino and Robin WIlliams. It's on HBO now. Imagine having a cabin on an inlet; mo= untains all around, and a glacier calving in the distance. Thanks. MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/2/03 at 11:32 PM JNR wrote: >Do you mean translators on the F.M. band relaying >A.M. stations? Only in Alaska. > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Sep 03 13:15:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40212 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 20:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 20:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 20:15:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2003 20:15:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:15:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2957 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > 1.) Additional features and functions that a digital system can > > provide in addition to the basic audio signal. > > RDS introduced that to the FM band a decade ago -- yet consumer > interest has been minimal (at least in North America). People care > about what the station broadcasts, not what buttons or displays > their radio has. I mean, who watches their radio as they listen to > it? People mostly "set it and forget it". As long as it has presets > and a Seek button, that's all that really matters when it comes to > radio tuning. RDS? Did I say RDS? Consider these scenarios. A sports oriented station, that broadcasts the games of several different sports teams. There are professional Basketball, Baseball, Football, and Hockey broadcasts, plus College Football, and Basketball broadcasts, if a station carriers two or more of this type of sports broadcast, it is likely that conflicts will arise at some point, and another station will have to be found to carry one of the conflicting games. If the digital bit stream could be split into two separate channels when this sort of conflict occurs, then the one station could carry both games at the same time without having to resort to another station to carry the second game. Or on a station that carriers a limited amount of sports, a game may conflict with a regularly scheduled program, or may run long, again conflicting with a regularly scheduled program. Again by splitting the bit stream in two, both programs could be carried. I'm sure if you use your imagination you can think of other uses for a digital stream besides "RDS". > > 2.) Increased freedom from interference. > > Fanfare's design provides that, no matter how distant the signal is > or what time of day it is -- unlike IBOC's digital reception, which > only works over a limited local area, currently during daytime hours > only. It does, how? This is major news, if the Fanfare could do this, and over a broad area, providing say a 60 dB SNR, I would gladly pay twice Fanfare's asking price. Somehow I don't think Fanfare is likely to guarantee the kind of performance you seem to imply. > > 3.) Contemporary design more in step with current audio trends. > > The Fanfare tuner may not look like a video game or a slot machine, > but it doesn't look like it's from the 1970s, either. (Even though > I personally favor the "woodgrain and chrome" look...) What do you mean the Fanfare tuner doesn't look like a video game or a slot machine? All modern "digital" tuners, including the Fanfare, tend to look a lot like some sort of video game. I don't care at all for the 1970's look, I like a simple straight forward tuner, with an on/off switch, a tuning dial, a frequency/station display, and a signal strength indicator. Very few other bells and whistles are really needed. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Sep 03 13:26:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32037 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 20:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 20:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 20:26:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2003 20:23:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:22:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3487 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > > I'm sure the "Fanfare" samples sound wonderful, but aside from > > the fact that everyone can't afford a Fanfare tuner, audio quality > > isn't the only issue to be considered. Some others might be: > > The Fanfare tuners are very high-end receivers, but aside from > certain enhancements, you can get high-quality AM stereo for $99 or > less, if you know where to go (like AudioCubes), instead of the > $1800 for an FT-100. Can you suggest a new production radio/tuner, with "high-quality AM", that costs less than $99 and isn't designed as a portable, which creates all sorts of extra complications when being used in a fixed location? > > 1.) Additional features and functions that a digital system can > > provide in addition to the basic audio signal. > > Most want to just listen to the damned radio. Bells & whistles mean > very little to most. They just take what comes with their car, and > buy the cheapest portables. Sure, I agree completely, but sometimes stations run into conflicts, when you can't hear the program you want/expect to hear. Consider these scenarios. A sports oriented station, that broadcasts the games of several different sports teams. There are professional Basketball, Baseball, Football, and Hockey broadcasts, plus College Football, and Basketball broadcasts, if a station carriers two or more of this type of sports broadcast, it is likely that conflicts will arise at some point, and another station will have to be found to carry one of the conflicting games. If the digital bit stream could be split into two separate channels when this sort of conflict occurs, then the one station could carry both games at the same time without having to resort to another station to carry the second game. Or on a station that carriers a limited amount of sports, a game may conflict with a regularly scheduled program, or may run long, again conflicting with a regularly scheduled program. Again by splitting the bit stream in two, both programs could be carried. > > 2.) Increased freedom from interference. > > Except IBOC is even more prone to interference than analog AM! One > hit, and the digital is knocked out! And when IBOC is knocked out by that "hit", especially in the digital only mode, analog AM has become so annoying that only a masochist would listen. > > 3.) Contemporary design more in step with current audio trends. > > This is going to be a surprise, but the biggest audio trend right > now.....is vinyl. In recent years, LPs and 12" singles have been > making a resurgence. I have quite a few friends that are more > inclined to buy vinyl rather than CDs. I think the market share is > something like 15% to 20% is vinyl, now. The club scene has alot to > do with it, as well as a general decline in interest for > "mainstream" music, thanks to an out-of-control music industry. OK, surprise me, how many titles are available today on "vinyl", and how many on "CD"? When I go down to Tower records I see thousands of different "CDs" for sale, but only a few "vinyl" records. Maybe they account for 20% of the sales as you say, but the variety is extremely limited. Now if you are talking about used "LPs" there is plenty of variety, but those are not recordings that are currently available new off the shelf. John From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Sep 03 13:41:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48657 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 20:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 20:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 20:41:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2003 20:38:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:38:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stream of 1593 at 11pm UK time TONITE!! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 57 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.4.169 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I will post the shoutcast address at this time to listen From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Sep 03 15:08:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34873 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 22:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 22:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 22:08:48 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.217]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:09:15 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c37267$de025a80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47183@aubwm206> Subject: Transmitters coming again Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:08:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Just a note to let everyone know that now that my dad is on the way to recovery, I am back making the "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitters again. I was able to negotiate a deal with the PC company that made my first run to keep the cost the same. I will have plenty available, with the first batch ready in about 2 weeks. Thanks, Chris From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Sep 03 15:11:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25165 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 22:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 22:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 22:11:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2003 22:10:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:10:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Stream of 1593 at 11pm UK time TONITE!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 283 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.4.169 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > I will post the shoutcast address at this time to listen http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls? rn=5846571&file=filename.pls Not great conditions tonight but may improve off at 0000hrs approx From rwagoner1@mac.com Wed Sep 03 15:56:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31889 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 22:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2003 22:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtai10.cox.net) (68.6.19.118) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 22:56:12 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP id <20030903225034.WLCR28680.fed1mtao06.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:50:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:50:37 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0914BE9A-DE61-11D7-835A-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 01:15 PM, bta_50g wrote: > > It does, how? This is major news, if the Fanfare could do this, and > over a broad area, providing say a 60 dB SNR, I would gladly pay twice > Fanfare's asking price. Somehow I don't think Fanfare is likely to > guarantee the kind of performance you seem to imply. > > Listen to the samples and read how far away the tuner is from the station. I think you'll be impressed. Coverage is FAR FAR better than HD AM, and sound quality is better than any HD sample I have heard by a mile. And that's the rub ... all your suggested services mean nothing if people won't listen. And I guarantee people won't listen to current HD AM. It makes my ears hurt. Narrowband mono sounds better. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 17:05:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40873 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 00:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 00:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41015.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 00:05:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20030904000413.47211.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.50.182] by web41015.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:04:13 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitters coming again To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001e01c37267$de025a80$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I didn't know, but I'm glad to hear that your dad is doing better. 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Wed Sep 03 17:26:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4374 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 00:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 00:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 00:26:26 -0000 Message-ID: <003501c3727b$8d2baee0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030902133337.95747.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just when the ball started rolling, it hit the fan Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:29:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Ask them for their AMS gear!! Scott Todd If peanut butter cookies are made with peanut butter, what are Girl Scout cookies made of? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > > "We have recently ceased our stereo broadcast. There are many > reasons for XXXX doing this. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 17:27:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35894 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 00:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 00:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 00:27:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 00:25:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 00:25:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2720 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.244 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > 1.) Additional features and functions that a digital system can > > > provide in addition to the basic audio signal. > > > > RDS introduced that to the FM band a decade ago -- yet consumer > > interest has been minimal (at least in North America). People care > > about what the station broadcasts, not what buttons or displays > > their radio has. I mean, who watches their radio as they listen to > > it? People mostly "set it and forget it". As long as it has presets > > and a Seek button, that's all that really matters when it comes to > > radio tuning. > > RDS? Did I say RDS? Consider these scenarios. A sports oriented > station, that broadcasts the games of several different sports teams. > There are professional Basketball, Baseball, Football, and Hockey > broadcasts, plus College Football, and Basketball broadcasts, if a > station carriers two or more of this type of sports broadcast, it is > likely that conflicts will arise at some point, and another station > will have to be found to carry one of the conflicting games. If the > digital bit stream could be split into two separate channels when this > sort of conflict occurs, then the one station could carry both games > at the same time without having to resort to another station to carry > the second game. Or on a station that carriers a limited amount of > sports, a game may conflict with a regularly scheduled program, or may > run long, again conflicting with a regularly scheduled program. Again > by splitting the bit stream in two, both programs could be carried. > > I'm sure if you use your imagination you can think of other uses for a > digital stream besides "RDS". And they're supposed to be concentrating on the road?? =snip= > > > 3.) Contemporary design more in step with current audio trends. > > > > The Fanfare tuner may not look like a video game or a slot machine, > > but it doesn't look like it's from the 1970s, either. (Even though > > I personally favor the "woodgrain and chrome" look...) > > What do you mean the Fanfare tuner doesn't look like a video game or a > slot machine? All modern "digital" tuners, including the Fanfare, > tend to look a lot like some sort of video game. I don't care at all > for the 1970's look, I like a simple straight forward tuner, with an > on/off switch, a tuning dial, a frequency/station display, and a > signal strength indicator. Very few other bells and whistles are > really needed. Hmmm, doesn't this contradict what you said above? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 17:35:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57000 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 00:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 00:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 00:35:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 00:33:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 00:33:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1032 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.244 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > > > > I'm sure the "Fanfare" samples sound wonderful, but aside from > > > the fact that everyone can't afford a Fanfare tuner, audio quality > > > isn't the only issue to be considered. Some others might be: > > > > The Fanfare tuners are very high-end receivers, but aside from > > certain enhancements, you can get high-quality AM stereo for $99 or > > less, if you know where to go (like AudioCubes), instead of the > > $1800 for an FT-100. > > Can you suggest a new production radio/tuner, with "high-quality AM", > that costs less than $99 and isn't designed as a portable, which > creates all sorts of extra complications when being used in a fixed > location? There might be some boomboxes, but a home tuner, even mono, for under $99?? Don't make me laugh. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oscar@globility.com Wed Sep 03 17:38:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16729 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 00:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 00:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 00:38:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 00:38:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 00:37:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 208.49.25.141 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > > Fanfare's design provides that, no matter how distant the signal is > > or what time of day it is -- unlike IBOC's digital reception, which > > only works over a limited local area, currently during daytime hours > > only. > > It does, how? This is major news, if the Fanfare could do this, and > over a broad area, providing say a 60 dB SNR, I would gladly pay twice > Fanfare's asking price. Somehow I don't think Fanfare is likely to > guarantee the kind of performance you seem to imply. I think the comment was meant to compare the distance from which an analog AM-stero signal could be heard with that of a digitally modulated signal. Certainly, any sensitive AM radio could outdistance a digital signal because of what amount of signal level is required to maintain a lock on the modulation. Analog AM just fades away gradually. Whether or not the FTA-100 would function similarly under similar conditions elsewhere is a fair question. With conductivity of Lake Erie being approximately "1", it seems that such a carry should be considered pretty damn good. Primarily a "niche" market product, the FTA-100 was not meant to cater to be anything else. However, the frugality exercised in the selection of listening devices notwithstanding, it's the reason why the engineer buys good quality, high resolution, test equipment. And the Fanfare qualifies as such. MS From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 17:42:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95156 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 00:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 00:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 00:42:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 00:41:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 00:41:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is going to be a surprise, but the biggest audio trend right > now.....is vinyl. In recent years, LPs and 12" singles have been > making a resurgence. Part of this is because CDs have become so highly processed and compressed that LPs actually sound better in comparison. Yes, they might have some pops and clicks and rumble, but vinyl has largely escaped the CD "loudness war" and retains a larger dynamic range and higher peak-to-average ratio. This is especially noticeable for club/dance music, where a high peak-to-average ratio adds "punch" and makes the music more exciting to listen to. Most CDs are so over-processed that there is no "punch" anymore -- just a continuous "block of sound". Try looking at an accurate VU meter while playing a modern CD -- it often almost "stands still" through an entire song! I'm lucky to have the Princeton Record Exchange in my neck of the woods. They claim to have over 100,000 records in stock, many selling for as low as $1.00 each. They also have a large selection of used CDs, so I can also add to my collection of GOOD-sounding CDs from the 1980s, before the "loudness war" struck. (For example, ABBA's "The Visitors" album -- digitally recorded in 1981, released on CD in 1983. Its artistic use of dynamic range and peak-to-average ratio is absolutely *astonishing* compared to what passes for pop music these days.) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 17:47:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60188 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 00:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 00:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 00:47:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 00:46:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 00:46:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 792 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If the digital bit stream could be split into two separate channels > when this sort of conflict occurs, then the one station could carry > both games at the same time without having to resort to another > station to carry the second game. Who needs digital to do that? Just put one game in the Left channel, the other game in the Right channel, and tell listeners how to use the balance control on their radio. This *has* been done in the past, although obviously such a scheme would be more effective if a greater percentage of radios -- both AM and FM -- were Stereo- equipped. And if you want to talk about live sporting events, that's something IBOC is physically incapable of broadcasting, due to its inherent 8.5-second delay. "Play-by-Play" becomes "Replay-by-Replay"! From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 17:52:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9617 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 00:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 00:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80508.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 00:52:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20030904005227.62958.qmail@web80508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.157.242.8] by web80508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:52:27 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: directional antenna array phase issues To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > But, Kevin, I have seen a toaster fly...um..er... > Of course, I still prefer my Amiga. A truly > advanced machine for its > time -- the Amiga was the world's first personal > computer with a > 32-bit pre-emptive multitasking operating system, > graphical user > interface, hi-res full-color video, and 4-channel > digital Stereo > sound... in 1985! They even offered it with the > first computer > monitor with built-in Stereo speakers -- at a time > when IBM clones > only came with a built-in mono PC "squeaker". (No > pun intended, Amy!) So you DID read between MY lines! Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 17:57:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32622 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 00:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 00:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80511.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 00:57:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20030904005620.19076.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.157.242.8] by web80511.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:56:20 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: speaking of WCRS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > The best audio I have ever heard on AM or FM was > WCRS 1450 in the early > '90s. Ol' Charlie Sparks sure knew how to make that > BTA1S sing. WCRS was a > mono station using Kahn audio processing. The BTA 1S may be dead. New owner, it's on the BTA 1R, Fayne and I went over there and it had no apparent output. Well the coax decided to short to the tower. That fixed and the other tubes in the right place and the BTA 1R is screaming. A much better functioning unit than the tiny younger RCA, and a 9100B processing audio with standards once more ......sounding great! Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 18:00:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12669 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 01:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 01:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80504.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 01:00:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20030904005850.91691.qmail@web80504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.157.242.8] by web80504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:58:50 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Modulation Max? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3F55F7FD.9010907@lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" wrote: > How is it possible to modulate to more than 100% > without introducing > distortion? Note that I'm not questioning whether > it's possible, I'm > just curious as to how it's done... > positive yes, negative NO> Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Wed Sep 03 18:04:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7357 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 01:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 01:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 01:04:42 -0000 Message-ID: <007b01c37280$dbe7fca0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030903011840.88294.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: directional antenna array phase issues Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:07:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude OK, what did you do to make her that mad? :) Scott Todd Give me ambiguity or give me something else. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > And do you think WSNR has a chance of ever > > successfully using IBOC? > > Ha! When toasters fly! > > But, Kevin, I have seen a toaster fly...um..er... > > Powell From stodd@vippn.com Wed Sep 03 18:23:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40301 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 01:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 01:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 01:23:24 -0000 Message-ID: <00c201c37283$8c30da80$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:26:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Hey KT- if you see Switched On Bach or Apollo 100, please let me know. I'm interested in those. Should I send you some $$ in advance? How much would these typically sell for? Scott Todd PS- Did you get that Gates limiter schematic I sent you several weeks ago? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > I'm lucky to have the Princeton Record Exchange in my neck of the > woods. They claim to have over 100,000 records in stock, many > selling for as low as $1.00 each. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 18:24:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35653 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 01:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 01:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 01:24:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 01:24:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 01:24:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: flying toasters Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030904005227.62958.qmail@web80508.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 373 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > So you DID read between MY lines! Ah yes, now I remember... how could I forget "Video Toaster"? Now *that* was a real piece of work -- full video production on the Amiga computer, at a time when the only thing Microsoft Windows was good for was playing Solitaire! p.s. And in case anybody cares... we just reached our 12,000th message here in the AM Stereo Forum! From stodd@vippn.com Wed Sep 03 18:30:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63634 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 01:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 01:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 01:30:22 -0000 Message-ID: <00de01c37284$919338a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <3F55F7FD.9010907@lanl.gov> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Modulation Max? Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:29:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Conventionally there isn't, though my friend Mike Dorrough developed a system to do 200% without distortion. Don't know enough details to describe it, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" > How is it possible to modulate to more than 100% without introducing > distortion? Note that I'm not questioning whether it's possible, I'm > just curious as to how it's done... From stodd@vippn.com Wed Sep 03 18:30:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44788 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 01:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 01:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 01:30:39 -0000 Message-ID: <00df01c37284$924a53a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030902100211.026795e0@pop.telusplanet.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM mono vs. Stereo loudness Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:32:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude How narcissistic can you get? ST Give me ambiguity or give me something else. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > Kevin > "If I have to sacrifice myself in order to save my comrades, I would rather > die with all of them. Why should they live on my expense?" - Quonster in > misc.survivalism 1998/12/04 > From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Sep 03 18:38:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7821 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 01:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 01:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.111) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 01:38:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:38:24 -0700 Received: from 172.163.171.190 by bay7-dav7.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 01:38:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20030904005620.19076.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} speaking of WCRS Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:35:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2003 01:38:24.0928 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B664200:01C37285] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.163.171.190] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > The BTA 1S may be dead. New owner, it's on the BTA 1R, Gee gads, it is STILL down?!?!? It was dead when I visited with Steve Blair last spring. > > Fayne and I went over there and it had no apparent output. Well the coax decided to short to the tower. That fixed and the other tubes in the right place and the BTA 1R is screaming. A much better functioning unit than the tiny younger RCA, No doubt the BTA1R is by far a MUCH better transmitter, but I just LOVE that big, boomy, rich sound the BTA1S produced on the air. Charlie and I spent many nights together drinking coffee and tuning transmitters. I wonder if the owner would give away or sell for cheap that BTA1S? I would like to have it in memory of Charlie, if for no other reason. Do you know what blew up in it? I know RCA transmitters of that vintage like to blow modulation transformers. I do know for fact that BTA1S is still full of PCB oil filled components. > > and a 9100B processing audio with standards once more ......sounding great! Glad they dumped the Southern Gospel, there are too many Biblecasters on the air as it is. I wonder what happened to that Kahn Symetra-Peak and Good-N-Loud processor with the Innovonics limiter. Speaking of dead transmitters, One that deserved to die did. The Gates Vanguard 1 at WDRF 1510 caught fire! LOL I also wonder when the FCC will pull the plug on WPJM 800. It would be a mercy killing if they did. Kevin From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed Sep 03 18:39:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45258 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 01:39:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 01:39:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 01:39:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 01:39:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 01:39:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Tom Ray / WTIC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 654 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq As someone who has operated a number of stations in the sandy soil of Long Island I can tell you Tom is right. Ground moisture makes a BIG difference. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bd6xray" wrote: > A multi-year study (Godley) concluded that summer-to-winter changes > in AM signal strengths were due mostly to temperature changes. It > was found that precipitation, snow, frozen ground and soil moisture > content had very little effect on signal levels. > > Typically a cold front follows winter snow storms, and it is this > cold air mass that is the main reason for the increased signal. > > Al Hajny From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 18:39:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66567 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 01:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 01:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 01:39:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 01:39:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 01:39:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c201c37283$8c30da80$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1124 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hey KT- if you see Switched On Bach or Apollo 100, please let me > know. I'm interested in those. Should I send you some $$ in > advance? How much would these typically sell for? I've been looking for the Apollo 100 "Joy" LP myself -- right now all I have is a poor-quality cassette dub of it. It has never been released on CD, and I'm sure the Record Exchange has it in their stacks somewhere, but it's quite like trying to find a needle in a haystack! Prized LPs can sell for upwards of $15 to $25 at the Exchange, but most "special" LPs are less than $10, and most "common" LPs are less than $5 -- and the "dime-a-dozen" LPs and 45s get thrown into uncategorized boxes on the floor and sell for $1.00 a pop. BTW, they have a web site: http://www.prex.com/ > PS- Did you get that Gates limiter schematic I sent you several > weeks ago? Yup -- thanks! Don't really need it, though -- the problem with "crackling" distortion seems to have fixed itself, just by running the ol' Solid Statesman continuously for nearly a year now. And combined with my own custom audio processing, it sounds good too! From rwagoner1@mac.com Wed Sep 03 18:46:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55057 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 01:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 01:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 01:46:50 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP id <20030904013908.OLRQ9938.fed1mtao03.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:39:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:39:09 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: flying toasters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <94718F30-DE78-11D7-835A-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Isn't that all its good for now? On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 06:24 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > at a time when the only thing Microsoft Windows was > good for was playing Solitaire! From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Sep 03 18:49:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45771 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 01:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 01:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.114) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 01:49:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:48:36 -0700 Received: from 172.163.171.190 by bay7-dav10.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 01:48:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <3F55F7FD.9010907@lanl.gov> <00de01c37284$919338a0$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Modulation Max? Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:45:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2003 01:48:36.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7ECBD40:01C37286] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.163.171.190] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > Conventionally there isn't, though my friend Mike Dorrough developed a system to do 200% without distortion. He sure made a good sounding processor with the DAP 310! I still would love to get a matched pair for Stereo. The DAP 310 sure blows away the Optimod 9200. Kevin From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Sep 03 19:39:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72039 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 02:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 02:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 02:38:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 02:37:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 02:37:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 453 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.109 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > I like a simple straight forward tuner, with an > > on/off switch, a tuning dial, a frequency/station display, and a > > signal strength indicator. Very few other bells and whistles are > > really needed. > > Hmmm, doesn't this contradict what you said above? I don't think so, does it? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Sep 03 19:54:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72714 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 02:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 02:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 02:54:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 02:53:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 02:53:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > > wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" > wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm sure the "Fanfare" samples sound wonderful, but aside from > > > > the fact that everyone can't afford a Fanfare tuner, audio > quality > > > > isn't the only issue to be considered. Some others might be: > > > > > > The Fanfare tuners are very high-end receivers, but aside from > > > certain enhancements, you can get high-quality AM stereo for $99 > or > > > less, if you know where to go (like AudioCubes), instead of the > > > $1800 for an FT-100. > > > > Can you suggest a new production radio/tuner, with "high-quality > AM", > > that costs less than $99 and isn't designed as a portable, which > > creates all sorts of extra complications when being used in a fixed > > location? > > There might be some boomboxes, but a home tuner, even mono, for > under $99?? Don't make me laugh. :) I thought you just got through telling me I could get "high-quality AM stereo for $99 or less"? John From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Sep 03 20:00:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17742 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 03:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 03:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.193) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 03:00:51 -0000 Received: from storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.153]) by smtpout-3102.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 974B7BE23 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA27233; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:59:58 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQhoC2fIWTGweCwnCuAAKH1ILeo/AIUJTOkdqSBPr7Lo+90rxEDIzC6hQw= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:59:58 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nulls Message-ID: <18238-3F56AAAE-71@storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 4 Sep 2003 00:53:53 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Most night time AM stations simply don't have a perfect omni-directional signals, most all have certain directions that nulls are going to show up. I don't care if your mono AM , AM Stereo, Pulse code modulation, IBOC whatever... In a null your going to get LESS signal, more chance of interference from other stations, phase distortion, etc... In my local market KOMJ, KCRO, KLNG< & KOSR are omni direction day and night, The last 3 stations all are relatively low power or off at night. KOMJ ( Ex-WOW-AM) 590 is 5000 watts day and night and has little or any appreciable nulls. Don't forget about the terrain, and ground conductivity. ALL the omaha stations have a slight null towards the northwest because of poor ground conductivity in that direction. KKAR 1290's null toward the NW is a long time gripe of people in Fremont, to the NW. There a certain spot on HWY 275 (L street) when the null is noticeable at night 5 - 6 miles from the transmitter site. WOW always had a certain spot on Hwy 67 that always faded. I always considered that a quirk of the local terrain. Now compare this to the well known KFAB's signal. They have a 4 tower array with the back tower acting as an reflector with STL and auxillary FM antenna ( KGOR) on it. MUCH of their power goes towards the west at night, a fair amount towards the south and north, but a strong null toward the east, SE to protect WBT in Charlotte , NC so much of southern Iowa, NW Missouri gets a very weak signal, with a lot of nulls and fading. Bellevue, NE and Offutt AFB are right in the Null. I could drive on I-29 in SW Iowa south of Council Bluffs toward Glenwood, & SEE the KFAB's towers off towards the west on a clear night, BUT KFAB's signal was all over the place with a lot of fading and phase distortion. This was My usual route to drive to College at Peru, NE ( South on I-29 to .Iowa & Nebraska Hwy 2 OR to US Hwy 136 then west to Brownville) I had a stock DELCO AM MONO only radio)( Chevy;s best of 1969) , and yes I got Phase distortion on KFAB at night!! Once I finally got an AM Stereo capable radio in my beloved 1989 Plymouth, the Nulls were still there, and the phase distortion does ( I mean DID) some really strange things to the AM Stereo reception!! In KFAB's case the nulls are away from the majority of listener's in Omaha, Council Bluffs, and Lincoln so not many listeners are badly affected. I have a 15 year old recording of KFAB recorded in (((( AM Stereo ))) at Peru, NE 65 mies south and slightly east of Omaha, KFAB signal has phasing and fading in it, AT 6:30 AM they switch to the Daytime omni-direction signal, a huge increse in signal stength & Perfect reception. While KFAB's signal was weaker at night, Don't think I gave up listening to them. The side benefit was that I could also get KMOX St Louis without a lot of QRM!! I lived at Peru fron 1975 to 1979. Where a station could be badly affected, is when these multi-tower created nulls head toward a primely populated area that it could be a real pain. These nulls usally exsist ( per the FCC) to protect other stations often hundreds of miles away. Of course ground conductivity, a poor ground radial system, or antenna plant in poor condition could difinilty affect how well a given station propagates... Entire college thesis's could be written on the subject of radio signal propagation.... In summary >> SO I find that the claim the AM Stereo is prone to trouble when a station has a tight directional pattern a bit bogus, because the nulls were always there to start with. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 20:35:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55837 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 03:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 03:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 03:34:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20030904033450.25470.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:34:50 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IBOC on WSAI tonight? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Spinning the dial this Wednesday night (between 11:15-11:30pm E.D.T.), when I tuned to 1540, I will hear "white noise" overriding the Iowa station for approximately 55 seconds, then it stops for one minute and I can hear 1540 clearly for a minute, then 1540 is overrode by the white noise for another 55-60 seconds. Is this WSAI 1530 testing IBOC/HD Radio at night? Are they allowed to? Is this noise from them? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 20:48:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65789 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 03:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 03:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 03:48:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 03:48:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 03:48:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on WSAI tonight? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030904033450.25470.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1334 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Spinning the dial this Wednesday night (between 11:15-11:30pm > E.D.T.), when I tuned to 1540, I will hear "white noise" overriding > the Iowa station for approximately 55 seconds, then it stops for > one minute and I can hear 1540 clearly for a minute, then 1540 is > overrode by the white noise for another 55-60 seconds. Is this > WSAI 1530 testing IBOC/HD Radio at night? Are they allowed to? > Is this noise from them? Apparently WSAI has a STA (Special Temporary Authority) from the FCC to test IBOC at night, because they've been doing it for quite some time. And what you are hearing is one of the procedures they use to test IBOC at night -- one minute on, the next minute off, over and over, to compare the difference between the IBOC signal and the plain analog signal. I've heard WSAI's IBOC tests interfere moderately with 1510 WWZN (Boston, MA) and various stations on 1550 kHz, and interfere severely with 1520 WWKB (Buffalo, NY) and 1540 WPTR (Albany, NY). The interference to 1520 WWKB was most prevalent when I caught WWKB transmitting a few minutes of "dead air" -- making any "hash" from WSAI become very noticeable. Here is an audio sample of this, switching back and forth between WWKB on 1520 and WSAI on 1530, as received here in central NJ: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/iboc/wsaiiboc.mp3 From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Sep 03 20:52:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6247 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 03:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 03:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 03:52:35 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.170.235f1281 (4592) for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <170.235f1281.2c880fff@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:48:15 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray / WTIC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WSB 750's transmitter is located in DeKalb County because of the better ground conductivity value there (2); the same reason why WDWD 590 located it's transmitter at Austell. Those transmitters located in Fulton County doesn't get out very well, with the only exception being WAFS 920. Even with a ground conductivity value of 1, WAFS uses a five-eighths wave tower (670 feet) and has an excellent signal inside I-285. Their signal is okay outside the Perimeter; I even heard WAFS in the St. Louis area with the local (WGNU) off. By contrast, WQXI 790's night pattern (1 kW) can't be heard north of Marietta. When I lived in Atlanta in the late 1980s and early 1990s, WQXI only had a good signal up to Canton, GA during daylight hours (the station's day power was 5 kW at the time; it's a sunset DX target now at 28 kW daytime). The station I worked for in Atlanta, WFTD 1080, located their transmitter in Kennesaw. They had to be directional to protect WFLI 1070 in Lookout Mountain, TN (near Chattanooga). They were a soft Contemporary Christian format at the time; last I heard, the station is now a Spanish speaker, simulcasting WPLO 610 in Grayson. If I had my hands on those two stations, 610 would be back in real Stereo and 1080 would be back in Stereo for the first time since they were WEKS. Formats would take full advantage of AM Stereo (like mainstream Jazz or the "Real Oldies" format of '50s and '60s hits). WGST 640 was hit-and-miss at night (1 kW), and had coverage that rivaled WSB during the day (WGST is 50 kW daytime). However, when they had the Braves games (1992-93), games that started after 5:00 p.m. local time were simulcast on WPCH 94.9. As for WTIC, they make it into St. Louis on occasion, nulling out KRLD on 1080. I even noted local WRYT 1080 testing at night on a couple of occasions this past summer. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Wed Sep 03 21:34:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11637 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 04:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 04:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 04:34:18 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h844Y4Ma012703 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:34:04 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:34:04 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC on WSAI tonight? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > The interference to 1520 WWKB was most prevalent when I caught WWKB > transmitting a few minutes of "dead air" -- making any "hash" from > WSAI become very noticeable. Here is an audio sample of this, > switching back and forth between WWKB on 1520 and WSAI on 1530, as > received here in central NJ: > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/iboc/wsaiiboc.mp3 Crikey! If this is as good as it gets I'm the Archbishop of Canterbury. John B - perhaps you'd like to direct us to some soundbites of IBOC demonstrating how good it's supposed to be - according to those at iBiquity. Hmmmm??? btw - the CRA (NAB) has announced that tests on Eureka DAB will commence in Sydney next month. It's good that they've issued 100 receivers to ordinary listeners chosen by a market research company. Melbourne stations want to start testing as well but in his wisdom the Communications Minister won't allocate them any spectrum. Mind you he'd said last century that digital radio would commence alongside digital TV in 2001. I have the view that the best option would be to allow current stations to simulcast in AM (or FM) and Eureka - similar to what our TV stations are now doing - for as long as it takes ... perhaps indefinitely. Ian From rwagoner1@mac.com Wed Sep 03 22:38:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5224 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 05:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 05:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 05:38:16 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP id <20030904053428.TSAN21752.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 01:34:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:34:25 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC on WSAI tonight? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <71BE8FCB-DE99-11D7-835A-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner People should complain to the stations getting clobbered with interference, rather than the offending station (or in addition to the offending station). That would get more attention from the FCC, I would think. Richard Give me anything but bad digital On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 08:48 PM, Kevin T. wrote: >> Spinning the dial this Wednesday night (between 11:15-11:30pm >> E.D.T.), when I tuned to 1540, I will hear "white noise" overriding >> the Iowa station for approximately 55 seconds, then it stops for >> one minute and I can hear 1540 clearly for a minute, then 1540 is >> overrode by the white noise for another 55-60 seconds. Is this >> WSAI 1530 testing IBOC/HD Radio at night? Are they allowed to? >> Is this noise from them? > > Apparently WSAI has a STA (Special Temporary Authority) from the FCC > to test IBOC at night, because they've been doing it for quite some > time. And what you are hearing is one of the procedures they use to > test IBOC at night -- one minute on, the next minute off, over and > over, to compare the difference between the IBOC signal and the plain > analog signal. > > I've heard WSAI's IBOC tests interfere moderately with 1510 WWZN > (Boston, MA) and various stations on 1550 kHz, and interfere severely > with 1520 WWKB (Buffalo, NY) and 1540 WPTR (Albany, NY). > From jim@burgan.net Thu Sep 04 00:00:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38206 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 07:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 07:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-1.iquest.net) (206.246.180.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 07:00:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 49122 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 06:59:40 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-1.iquest.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 06:59:40 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-126.iquest.net [209.43.58.126]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id ALW56828; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 01:59:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004101c372b2$0fa7b4a0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 01:59:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > This is going to be a surprise, but the biggest audio trend right > now.....is vinyl. In recent years, LPs and 12" singles have been > making a resurgence. I have quite a few friends that are more > inclined to buy vinyl rather than CDs. I think the market share is > something like 15% to 20% is vinyl, now. The club scene has alot to > do with it, as well as a general decline in interest for "mainstream" > music, thanks to an out-of-control music industry. It ain't the fault of the RIAA or the music industry, it the fault of Napster, Morpheus, Audio Galaxy, Kazaa and the rest. People are listening to radio in pretty much the same numbers today as there were 30-40 years ago (contrary to stats frequently quoted), so people still listen to music, it's those darned file-swapping services that are killing music sales. If they didn't steal the music, they would be eagerly shelling out $18 for a 10 track CD from Brittney, J Lo, Justin, Shania, Toby Keith and Train. [Please... no flames... I'm being sarcastic) -Jim- From jim@burgan.net Thu Sep 04 00:09:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33376 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 07:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 07:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-4.iquest.net) (206.246.180.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 07:09:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 74686 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 07:07:26 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-4.iquest.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 07:07:26 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-126.iquest.net [209.43.58.126]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id ALW57626; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 02:07:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <009501c372b3$320840e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 02:07:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > >My main-man in the Nitty Gritty Circle City wrote: > > Hey KT- if you see Switched On Bach or Apollo 100, please let me > > know. I'm interested in those. Should I send you some $$ in Na Na Na Na Naaa Na! I have both in my collection! If you want to drive down here to hear them Scott, it's only 35 minutes south on I-65 :-) And since you seem to be fan of JS Bach, I also have the NY Philharmonic performing Bach's Top 10 biggest hits (see, I do have a wide appreciation for music). -Jim- From jim@burgan.net Thu Sep 04 00:11:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31666 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 07:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 07:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-1.iquest.net) (206.246.180.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 07:11:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 60021 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 07:10:49 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-1.iquest.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 07:10:49 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-126.iquest.net [209.43.58.126]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id ALW57941; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 02:10:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a401c372b3$9e2d7ec0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20030904033450.25470.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC on WSAI tonight? Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 02:10:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Spinning the dial this Wednesday night (between 11:15-11:30pm E.D.T.), when I > tuned to 1540, I will hear "white noise" overriding the Iowa station for > approximately 55 seconds, then it stops for one minute and I can hear 1540 > clearly for a minute, then 1540 is overrode by the white noise for another > 55-60 seconds. Is this WSAI 1530 testing IBOC/HD Radio at night? Are they > allowed to? Is this noise from them? I checked and I was able to hear WKWD (1520 kHz -Shelbyville, Indiana) so WSAI must not be testing IBOC right now (2 AM CDT). When WSAI is testing (day or night) they obliterate WKWD so it can't be your problem. -Jim- From jim@burgan.net Thu Sep 04 00:18:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12362 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 07:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 07:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-2.iquest.net) (206.246.180.52) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 07:18:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 67267 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 07:17:51 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-2.iquest.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 07:17:51 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-126.iquest.net [209.43.58.126]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id ALW58659; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 02:17:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00cf01c372b4$a5b6b480$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20030904033450.25470.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> <00a401c372b3$9e2d7ec0$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC on WSAI tonight? Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 02:17:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I checked and I was able to hear WKWD (1520 kHz -Shelbyville, Indiana) so > WSAI must not be testing IBOC right now (2 AM CDT). > When WSAI is testing (day or night) they obliterate WKWD so it can't be your > problem. > -Jim- Woops... I've stayed up to late tonight... The correct call letters for Shelbyville, Indiana's 1520 kHz is WKWH, not WKWD. I gotta get some sleep..... -Jim- From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Sep 04 00:32:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43707 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 07:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 07:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 07:32:53 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.212]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 03:31:22 -0400 Message-ID: <004701c372b6$6471cda0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 03:30:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Speaking of vinyl, I just found a very unique set- it is the "Rolling Stone magazine 48 hour Labor Day greatest rock music show" on 72 LP records- in full stereo- made for radio station play. Possibly some of the best stuff you can imagine. I will be the first one to play them when I do. There are even interviews with producers on them. Cool stuff! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:39 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 01:04:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56014 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 08:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 08:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 08:04:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 08:03:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 08:03:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c372b2$0fa7b4a0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3169 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.244 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > This is going to be a surprise, but the biggest audio trend right > > now.....is vinyl. In recent years, LPs and 12" singles have been > > making a resurgence. I have quite a few friends that are more > > inclined to buy vinyl rather than CDs. I think the market share is > > something like 15% to 20% is vinyl, now. The club scene has alot to > > do with it, as well as a general decline in interest for "mainstream" > > music, thanks to an out-of-control music industry. > > It ain't the fault of the RIAA or the music industry, it the fault of > Napster, Morpheus, Audio Galaxy, Kazaa and the rest. Um, er... No. I should know, since I chat with many of those who use these services. For one, they express no interest in any of the "Big Name" stars, and largely listen to techno or "goth" music-- Stuff the Vig Labels won't touch, because they can't readily market them- package them in pretty faces and such. The other major type of music most often downloaded are oldies- Stuff from 15 years ago or even older. Again, something that just doesn't normally make alot of money for the major record labels even before the age of Napster. The record labels have largely priced themselves out of compewtition, especially with putting out albums with only one or two good songs, the rest being complete throwaways. In the UK, they're now doing an experiment by putting out UKP3 CD singles and UKP9 albums-- and it's working. The lower prices actually have resulted in increased sales. So yes, the record industry is at fault for their lack of sales, and the ClearChannelized broadcast industry is not helping at all-- In fact, in many, if not most cases, cookie-cxutter pop radio is losing market share, and yes, listenership is down. Ask Arbitron or Nielsen-- They'll tell you just how bad it's betting. And yes, I have been both an Arbitron and Nielsen mousie. And no, they DON'T ask if you're listening to the stations in stereo or not. No-one asks, period. > People are listening to radio in pretty much the same numbers today as there > were 30-40 years ago (contrary to stats frequently quoted), so people still > listen to music, it's those darned file-swapping services that are killing > music sales. Ah, no. 30-40 years ago was the peak of the so-called "golden age" of AM pop radio, where EVERYONE was listening, even with TV around-- Radio was greatly reshaped with the advent of TV, and became the biggest boon to pop music ever in the history of recorded music. > If they didn't steal the music, they would be eagerly shelling out $18 for a > 10 track CD from Brittney, J Lo, Justin, Shania, Toby Keith and Train. > [Please... no flames... I'm being sarcastic) The only ones buying them are the ones who don't know any better. I own alot of CDs- About 4000, most of which were bought used (which this same record industry tried to abolish) or greatly discounted. Not that many, especially of late, I have bought at full price. I personally would REALLY like to see the record industry to be Ricoed (the racketeering act). Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Thu Sep 04 01:36:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76582 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 08:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 08:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 08:36:54 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h848aPMa023358 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:36:25 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:36:25 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > Ask Arbitron or Nielsen-- > They'll tell you just how bad it's betting. > > And yes, I have been both an Arbitron and Nielsen mousie. And no, > they DON'T ask if you're listening to the stations in stereo or not. > No-one asks, period. Arbitron do the main US radio ratings. What does Nielsen do? Nielsen has done our radio ratings for years - and recently were re-signed to continue their (I believe) partially flawed diary method - which I reckon inflates the ratings of the top stations. Arbitron wanted to use a form of people meters but I expect the top stations wanted to remain on top. Last year the big commercial TV networks formed their own company - Oztam - to rate all TV channels (not a bad idea). The top rating Nine Network plumetted in the first few surveys - so they complained about the selection criteia used and had it altered - so that now they are on top again. Nine is owned by Kerry Packer - Australia's richest man - and "your" Rupert's biggest foe. Money begets money ... and Oztam moves in mysterious ways ... > The only ones buying them are the ones who don't know any better. I > own alot of CDs- About 4000, ... 'Scuse me for asking Amy but how big is that mouse hole of yours? Where do you store the cheese??? Ian :) From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 02:00:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96352 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 09:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 09:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 09:00:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 08:56:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 08:56:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 839 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.244 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > > > Ask Arbitron or Nielsen-- > > They'll tell you just how bad it's betting. > > > > And yes, I have been both an Arbitron and Nielsen mousie. And no, > > they DON'T ask if you're listening to the stations in stereo or not. > > No-one asks, period. > > > Arbitron do the main US radio ratings. What does Nielsen do? Both do both radio and TV ratings. And yes, I have been through all four. > > > The only ones buying them are the ones who don't know any better. I > > own alot of CDs- About 4000, ... > > 'Scuse me for asking Amy but how big is that mouse hole of yours? Where > do you store the cheese??? Big enough *grin*, and the fridge., :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Thu Sep 04 02:19:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88337 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 09:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 09:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 09:19:13 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h849FKMa024930 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:15:20 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:15:20 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > > 'Scuse me for asking Amy but how big is that mouse hole of > > yours? Where do you store the cheese??? > > Big enough *grin*, and the fridge., :) > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ You're a clever little mousie Amy and add so much to the Forum. And ... seemingly one of the few left who will fight for what we're after rather than gripe for what we're after. I trust you share the cheese with Pixie and Dixie. Watch out for Mr Jinx! Davo Downunder From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 02:44:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39460 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 09:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 09:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 09:44:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 09:44:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 09:44:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1217 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.244 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > You're a clever little mousie Amy and add so much to the Forum. I hope others feel that way, too....adding to the forum, that is. > And ... seemingly one of the few left who will fight for what we're after > rather than gripe for what we're after. I want to keep this technology alive, and available to all who wish to use it and enjoy it, even if they have to cobble together an exciter of their own, which I hopt to make sure they can, and would know how to. AM stereo, even though it is analog, and prone to the usual interference, despite its true age, WORKS. It is viable, has plenty of receivers, and it co-exists peacefully with everyone else. It works where IBOC doesn't, and it co-exists where IBOC doesn't. And most of all, it's now royalty-free, which means it need not be dependent on any single company for parts or, in the case of IBOC, codecs. I would much rather listen to AM stereo than poor audio surrounded by hash that won't even stand up to interference, even from other stations. I believe in AM stereo. I hope others do, too, or we wouldn't have 217 subscribers to this list, yes? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Sep 04 04:42:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2454 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 11:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 11:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 11:42:31 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-002scfairp0464.dialsprint.net ([63.184.201.210] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19usUX-0007Ts-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 04:41:34 -0700 Message-ID: <3F5724F9.7A652F7D@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 07:41:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray / WTIC References: From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stations here in the Tampa area whose towers are on causeways or otherwise near the water cover a greater groundwave area than inland stations with 10 times the power. Dick W. wa2fnq wrote: > As someone who has operated a number of stations in the sandy soil of > Long Island I can tell you Tom is right. Ground moisture makes a BIG > difference. > > Jerry WA2FNQ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Sep 04 05:09:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95225 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 12:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 12:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 12:09:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 12:08:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:08:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Tom Ray / WTIC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3692 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I'm going to agree with Tom and Jerry here. What I have observed is that snow cover, even heavy rain [to a lesser extent] has quite a dramatic effect where site ground conductivity is poor, and very little effect where conductivity is fairly high. Cases in point: Pre 1988 or so, when CKEC 1320 New Glasgow NS was operating 5kw up on Fraser's Mountain, their signal would pretty much evaporate during a dry summer, returning with fall rain and especially winter snow. In 1988 or so, CKEC moved its site, upped its power to 25kw, and utilized 1/4 wavelength towers. This new site is not on top of a hill - rather, its on level ground like one would expect for an AM site. Their signal now is very consitent. CIGO 1410 Port Hawkesbury NS [flipped to FM a couple years back] used to operate 10kw with a modest cardiod east facing pattern by day, and a tight frying pan shaped pattern by night - the "handle" facing west, the "pan" facing east. The soil in Western Cape Breton has very poor conductivity and the site was near the Creignish Hills to the east, with salt water very close by - perhaps a 1/4 mile - to the west. Needless to say, the actual coverage was distorted, with very little coverage to the east, and good coverage to the NW, following the salt water. However, this poor eastern coverage would improve quite dramatically when there was heavy snow cover, especially in the spring, when the snow was melting. Here on PEI, CFCY 630 10 kw and CHTN 720 10kwD/7.5kwN have a very consistent signal regardless of snow cover, ground moisture etc. PEI is famous for its red soil, thanks to iron oxide. Needless to say, the conductivity is quite superior to nearby Cape Breton Island. The Conductivity King in ther Maritimes is 900 CKDH, with its 1kw site perched on the Tantramar Marshes - a lovely salt marsh also used by Radio Canada International a few miles to the north. Once again, a very consistant signal. In spite of the poor ground conductivity of most of Cape Breton Island, the former CJFX 580 Antigonish [25 miles east of Cape Breton] 25kw day and night, same directional pattern with tight nulls to the west, could punch an excellant signal deep into Cape Breton. Powerline interference only began to occur 80+ miles east of the transmitter site, when turning off into the towns and city of industrial Cape Breton. The 580 spot on the dial helped, as did the salt water of nearby St. Georges Bay, as did the major east facing lobe. There was also a major lobe directed south as well. Ground moisture has very little effect, presumably as the ground wave was already well "launched". Of course, when 580 went dark, this all became history - and a lot of listeners are left with a sputtery 75kw FM signal that just can't punch clearly through the mountains. I'm going to pose some questions to the engineers on the forum in a later post. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > As someone who has operated a number of stations in the sandy soil of > Long Island I can tell you Tom is right. Ground moisture makes a BIG > difference. > > Jerry WA2FNQ > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bd6xray" wrote: > > A multi-year study (Godley) concluded that summer-to-winter changes > > in AM signal strengths were due mostly to temperature changes. It > > was found that precipitation, snow, frozen ground and soil moisture > > content had very little effect on signal levels. > > > > Typically a cold front follows winter snow storms, and it is this > > cold air mass that is the main reason for the increased signal. > > > > Al Hajny From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Sep 04 05:27:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89972 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 12:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 12:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 12:27:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 12:26:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:26:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Tower electrical height Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2040 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking This is a question for the engineers on the forum, but my fellow non- engineers are welcome to comment to. I'll start with a hypothetical example: Let's say I establish a 10kw AM station [CQUAM stereo of course] in Montague PEI on 1410. Using quarter wave towers [2], these would be about 175 feet each. If I were to use 1/2 wave towers, about 350 feet each, my understanding is that this would help the groundwave coverage. In either case, this would involve a typical Industry Canada spec ground system - 120 4/10 wavelength radials per tower, 10 guage wire, 8 inches down. Ground conductivity for PEI is officially "4". Lots of nearby salt water. To what degree the groundwave coverage would be enhanced is another story. My understanding is that this would be similar to flattening a donut somewhat [Tim's of course!]. Now the questions: Would using the 1/2 wavelength towers reduce nightime groundwave/skywave cancellation, fading etc.? Would using the 1/2 wavelength towers reduce co-channel and adjacent channel interference, by reducing the rf field that was directed skyward? Or, would this simple shift the interference zone farther away? Would using the 1/2 wavelength towers offer better performance where phasing issues might surface [assuming a tight nightime pattern] affecting CQUAM and for that matter IBOC? E.g., better audio quality in nulls? Would 5/8 towers be even better? Or, an electrical height between 1/2 and 5/8? Say 190 degrees or so? I guess what I'm driving at is, can we help to reduce nightime interference problems not just through restrictive patterns, but through different array designs, greater electrical length [expensive I know] etc. etc. that would improve AM's viability, be it mono, CQUAM, IBOC etc. I'm not looking for free advice, as no banker would loan $ for a new AM station in Canada, when an FM frequency was available. But I am looking to provoke some interesting theoretical and practical disscussion. Thanks in advance. Phil R. PEI Canada From jim@burgan.net Thu Sep 04 06:40:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94531 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 13:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 13:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-2.iquest.net) (206.246.180.52) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 13:40:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 71910 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 13:38:36 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-2.iquest.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 13:38:36 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-231.iquest.net [209.43.58.231]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id ALX30542; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:38:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003c01c372e9$d6fb5d90$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:38:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Ah, no. 30-40 years ago was the peak of the so-called "golden age" of > AM pop radio, where EVERYONE was listening, even with TV around-- > Radio was greatly reshaped with the advent of TV, and became the > biggest boon to pop music ever in the history of recorded music. I wanted to have my source before I replied, but can't find it at this minute. Sorry Amy but this time your wrong. People have been quoting this "radio listenership is down" stuff for years, but it just isn't true. The average cume & share per station is down considerably since 1965 because the proliferation of radio stations, but overall people listened to radio aprox 20 hour per week in 1965 and they are only slightly below that today (19 hours and change). Remember... 35 years ago there were very few people who listened to radio at work. Most offices had Muzak or nothing. Today almost all work places have radio stations piped into the building. If you are talking about Top 40 radio specifically, today's CHR's do not command the share of those powerhouse Top 40's but since 1965 Top 50 and MOR have splintered into a dozen niche formats and there are no mass appeal formats (Hot AC is about as close as you come to true Top 40 but most 12-24 demos won't touch it. Overall, the number of hours people spend a day listening to radio is just a few minutes behind 1965 (the time when radio achieved it's highest level of listeners). -Jim- From oscar@globility.com Thu Sep 04 07:16:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67885 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 14:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 14:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO darius.pce.net) (208.49.24.11) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 14:16:09 -0000 Received: from ff---2 (as1-buf-25-051.wnysurf.net [208.49.25.51]) by darius.pce.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13246 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200309041025370290.003067C1@smtp.pce.net> In-Reply-To: <009501c372b3$320840e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> References: <009501c372b3$320840e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (3) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:25:37 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy To appreciate classical music shows you enjoy climbing the stairs of life, = Jim. I don't mean to make light of your intersts but, according to the publ= isher of Audio Guide, placing classical music in the hands of a 'pop' mixer= and marketing the product in cute little "pop-culture" albums was what s= pelled the demise of its popularity on the radio amongst the 'purists'. . W= in some, lose a lot. O.T., but according to educators, certain classical music played in the bac= kground of an active classroom establishes a very calm atmosphere and aids = concentration. (Rock music does the opposite). It would also create inbred= music appreciation. If music appreciation is what is driving this group, I= guess it's not so much O.T. after all.=20 M.S. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/4/03 at 2:07 AM Jim Burgan wrote: >> >My main-man in the Nitty Gritty Circle City wrote: >> > Hey KT- if you see Switched On Bach or Apollo 100, please let me >> > know. I'm interested in those. Should I send you some $$ in > >Na Na Na Na Naaa Na! >I have both in my collection! >If you want to drive down here to hear them Scott, it's only 35 minutes >south on I-65 :-) >And since you seem to be fan of JS Bach, I also have the NY Philharmonic >performing Bach's Top 10 biggest hits (see, I do have a wide appreciation >for music). >-Jim- > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Sep 04 07:41:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43353 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 14:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 14:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 14:41:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 14:41:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:41:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200309041025370290.003067C1@smtp.pce.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 735 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M.S." wrote: > To appreciate classical music shows you enjoy climbing the stairs of life, Jim. I don't mean to make light of your intersts but, according to the publisher of Audio Guide, placing classical music in the hands of a 'pop' mixer and marketing the product in cute little "pop-culture" albums was what spelled the demise of its popularity on the radio amongst the 'purists'. . Win some, lose a lot. I don't understand the connection here, why would making "classical" music more interesting to the masses, spell its demise of its popularity on the radio amongst the "purists"? It sounds to me like the so called "purists" are snobs more than music lovers. John From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 08:17:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19607 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 15:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 15:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80508.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 15:17:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20030904151740.47953.qmail@web80508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.232.195.219] by web80508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 08:17:40 PDT Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC on WSAI tonight? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030904033450.25470.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > Spinning the dial this Wednesday night (between > 11:15-11:30pm E.D.T.), when I > tuned to 1540, I will hear "white noise" overriding > the Iowa station for > approximately 55 seconds, then it stops for one > minute and I can hear 1540 > clearly for a minute, then 1540 is overrode by the > white noise for another > 55-60 seconds. Is this WSAI 1530 testing IBOC/HD > Radio at night? Are they > allowed to? Is this noise from them? The answer is YES, and Paul Jellison says they are doing this to show the interference and how bad it really is. The STA expires shortly. Saturday AM WSAI was still screaming in at 8:30 AM and was clobbering my local WKMG in Newberry until I got close in. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 08:23:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7575 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 15:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 15:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80501.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 15:23:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20030904152246.69578.qmail@web80501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.232.195.219] by web80501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 08:22:46 PDT Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray / WTIC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <170.235f1281.2c880fff@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > WSB 750's transmitter is located in DeKalb County > because of the better > ground conductivity value there (2); the same reason > why WDWD 590 located it's > transmitter at Austell. WRONG! The ground conductivity there IS FAR WORSE because it's close to Stone Mountain. The metro area averages AT BEST 0.5 and at the shopping center where WSB is is closer to 0.1 Austell has way better conductivity than where WSB is,but it still is bad. The ground conductivity is actually much MUCH worse than the charts show. WNEG in Toccoa had the conductivity measured there and it's 0.1 in that area. The charts show a 2. > pattern (1 kW) can't be heard north of Marietta. > When I lived in Atlanta in the > late 1980s and early 1990s, WQXI only had a good > signal up to Canton, GA during > daylight hours (the station's day power was 5 kW at > the time; it's a sunset DX > target now at 28 kW daytime Well the pattern doesn't allow it, and ofthen Cubans kill WQXI at night. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Sep 04 09:10:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26160 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 16:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 16:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 16:10:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 16:07:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 16:07:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 898 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Meow, meow, meow!!! [In stereo, of course!] Run Amy, RUN! Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M.S." wrote: > > To appreciate classical music shows you enjoy climbing the stairs of life, Jim. I don't mean to make light of your intersts but, according to the publisher of Audio Guide, placing classical music in the hands of a 'pop' mixer and marketing the product in cute little "pop-culture" albums was what spelled the demise of its popularity on the radio amongst the 'purists'. . Win some, lose a lot. > > I don't understand the connection here, why would making "classical" > music more interesting to the masses, spell its demise of its > popularity on the radio amongst the "purists"? It sounds to me like > the so called "purists" are snobs more than music lovers. > > John From mikew@lanl.gov Thu Sep 04 09:37:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikew@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77998 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 16:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 16:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 16:37:27 -0000 Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h84GbLvC014841 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:37:21 -0600 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h84GbLps030516 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:37:21 -0600 Received: from lanl.gov (romulus.lanl.gov [128.165.209.40]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h84GbLaE024703 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:37:21 -0600 Message-ID: <3F576A45.1050607@lanl.gov> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:37:25 -0600 Organization: Otowi Medium Wave DXers Club User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030701 X-Accept-Language: en-us, es, en, zh-cn, af, sq, ar, ar-dz, ar-bh, ar-eg, ar-iq, ar-jo, ar-kw, ar-lb, ar-ly, ar-ma, ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye, hy, ast, eu, be, bs, bg, ca, zh, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, hr, cs, da, nl, nl-be, en-au, en-bz, en-ca, en-ie, en-jm, en-nz, en-ph, en-za, en-tt, en-gb, en-zw, eo, et, fo, fi, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch, gl, ka, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, hu, is, id, in, ga, it, it-ch, ja, ko, ko-kp, ko-kr, lv, lt, mk-mk, ms, no, nb, nn, pl, pt, pt-br, ro, ru, gd, sr, sk, sl, sb, es-ar, es-bo, es-cl, es-co, es-cr, es-do, es-ec, es-sv, es-gt, es-hn, es-mx, es-ni, es-pa, es-py, es-pe, es-pr, es-es, es-uy, es-ve, sv, sv-fi, th, tr, uk, vi, cy, xh, yi, zu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Modulation Max? References: <20030904005850.91691.qmail@web80504.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030904005850.91691.qmail@web80504.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 From: "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150284724 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6kuy Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > --- "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" > wrote: > > How is it possible to modulate to more than 100% > > without introducing > > distortion? Note that I'm not questioning whether > > it's possible, I'm > > just curious as to how it's done... > > > > > positive yes, negative NO> Umm... Can someone explain THAT, please? -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Sep 04 10:10:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5862 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 17:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 17:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 17:10:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 17:09:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:09:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1160 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.58 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "tubesareking" wrote: Hmm, what does this have to do with the mouse, other than we have three cat's here now, and you got the number of Meows correct? John > Meow, meow, meow!!! [In stereo, of course!] > > Run Amy, RUN! > > Phil R. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M.S." wrote: > > > To appreciate classical music shows you enjoy climbing the > stairs of life, Jim. I don't mean to make light of your intersts > but, according to the publisher of Audio Guide, placing classical > music in the hands of a 'pop' mixer and marketing the product in > cute little "pop-culture" albums was what spelled the demise of its > popularity on the radio amongst the 'purists'. . Win some, lose a > lot. > > > > I don't understand the connection here, why would making > > "classical" music more interesting to the masses, spell its demise > > of its popularity on the radio amongst the "purists"? It sounds > > to me like the so called "purists" are snobs more than music > > lovers. > > > > John From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 10:22:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91791 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 17:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 17:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 17:22:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 17:21:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:21:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2893 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M.S." wrote: > > To appreciate classical music shows you enjoy climbing the stairs of life, Jim. I don't mean to make light of your intersts but, according to the publisher of Audio Guide, placing classical music in the hands of a 'pop' mixer and marketing the product in cute little "pop-culture" albums was what spelled the demise of its popularity on the radio amongst the 'purists'. . Win some, lose a lot. > > I don't understand the connection here, why would making "classical" > music more interesting to the masses, spell its demise of its > popularity on the radio amongst the "purists"? It sounds to me like > the so called "purists" are snobs more than music lovers. As someone who happens to like classical music, I can flatly tell anyone that those who call themselves "purists" are often wrong. Most classical music was never written for "cookie-cutter" orchestra arrangements and ensembles. Most composers often experimented with instrumentation (and often, unique instruments), yet today, most music is performed by a standard orchestra arrangement (that wasn't finalized until about the turn of the last century) and some four- piece ensembles of specific arrangements. As for the popularity of classical music, the noticable decline had to have been in the early 1960s or so, not because of the more "pop" arrangements as mentioned above, but because people noticed there was very little difference between this orchestra's version and that orchestra's version of most classical music. Essentially, it became so bland that most got turned off from seeing 30 different versions of the same piece, all played with little variance. Some of these "pop" versions-- The versions done by people who stuck their necks out and did their selections in a completely different form, such as Wendy Carlos' "Switched-On Bach"-- actually have done very well over the years. It's not that there's any real lack of appreciation of classical music-- A substatian number of my techno friends love listening to classical just as well, and much of techno is actually greatly influenced by classical. (Artists like Aphex Twin, Orbital, Moby and William Orbit come to mind.) There are, surprisingly, a lack of performances of classical music in the original arrangements and instrumentation-- I have yet to hear a version of Camille Saint-Saens' "Carnival of the Animals" performed on the originally-intended 11-piece ensemble (with glass armonica), although there are about 3 or 4 versions of this work that do include the glass armonica....and standard orchestra. And yes, for what it's worth, I'm well aware of classical music once having as much as 40% share of all sales as late as the 1940s and 1950s. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oscar@globility.com Thu Sep 04 10:35:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35628 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 17:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 17:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO darius.pce.net) (208.49.24.11) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 17:35:38 -0000 Received: from ff---2 (as3-buf-25-118.wnysurf.net [208.49.25.118]) by darius.pce.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21260 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 13:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200309041331060180.0072FEFE@smtp.pce.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (3) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 13:31:06 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Arf < --#---#---> Arf MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/4/03 at 5:09 PM bta_50g wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "tubesareking" >wrote: > >Hmm, what does this have to do with the mouse, other than we have >three cat's here now, and you got the number of Meows correct? > >John > >> Meow, meow, meow!!! [In stereo, of course!] >> >> Run Amy, RUN! >> >> Phil R. >> >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: >> > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M.S." wrote: >> > > To appreciate classical music shows you enjoy climbing the >> stairs of life, Jim. I don't mean to make light of your intersts >> but, according to the publisher of Audio Guide, placing classical >> music in the hands of a 'pop' mixer and marketing the product in >> cute little "pop-culture" albums was what spelled the demise of its >> popularity on the radio amongst the 'purists'. . Win some, lose a >> lot. >> > >> > I don't understand the connection here, why would making >> > "classical" music more interesting to the masses, spell its demise >> > of its popularity on the radio amongst the "purists"? It sounds >> > to me like the so called "purists" are snobs more than music >> > lovers. >> > >> > John > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Sep 04 11:08:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6826 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 18:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 18:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 18:08:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2003 18:06:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 18:06:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Modulation Max? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00de01c37284$919338a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 885 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.119 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Conventionally there isn't, though my friend Mike Dorrough developed a > system to do 200% without distortion. Don't know enough details to describe > it, though. > > Scott Todd > When a signal is transmitted to -100% modulation for the full 10.2KHz BW most receivers even the wider ones have an IF response that starts to drop off around 6KHz and at 10KHz could be down by 12dB reducing the level of the higher frequency sidebands. At the envelope detector this is seen as a less than 100% modulation. Even some negative modulation greater than -100% at the transmitter will not be seen by the envelope detector after filtering. As a result a transmitter could exceed -100% to maybe -150% by the higher frequencies and the detector wouldn't see modulation >-100% after RF & IF bandpass attenuation. JSG From oscar@globility.com Thu Sep 04 12:11:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71011 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 19:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 19:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO darius.pce.net) (208.49.24.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 19:11:55 -0000 Received: from ff---2 (as3-buf-25-118.wnysurf.net [208.49.25.118]) by darius.pce.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA23035 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200309041507140290.00CB062D@smtp.pce.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (3) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:07:14 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/4/03 at 5:21 PM Amy Mousie wrote: >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M.S." wrote: Everyone.... please ... read what I wrote " in the hands of a 'pop' mixer and marketing the product in cute=20 little "pop-culture" albums." In other words, the way the music was re-mixed in order to make it punchier= was what turned off the purist. Therer can be a number of quiet turned off= the=20 >> the so called "purists" are snobs more than music lovers. No, they're not snobs any more than you are as a purist of the english lang= uage, of which you obviously are John. Otherwise we'd all saying "Like Ke= wl, man." in every second sentence. Music purists are simply people who fol= low what they were taught as the way in which a particualr music form, in t= his case classical music, should be portrayed. Purists also have a tendenc= y to keep things on track and honest.=20 This may also follow fly in the face of what Amy refers to as being "wrong"= , but with all due respect, that is another opinion. I'm aware composers d= id use different orchestral deployment for different pieces. But you are st= ill at the mercy of the conductor accepting that deployment. Maybe he/she d= id not like it. What the heck, composers were not perfect. But IMO it's the= name of the orchestra and its conductor that sells the the album, not the = composer. To me, that is why orchestras like "St.Martins in the Field", as = an example, continue to sell so well. Talking about deployment, most will remember Ravel's Bolero as being an int= egral part of the movie "10". In a typical arrangement the snare drum dwell= s with percussion at the left rear of the orchestra. Y.P.Saraste, who was t= hen Music Director and Conductor of the TSO, moved the drummer up beside th= e podium. What a difference in impact!!=20 >As someone who happens to like classical music, I can flatly tell=20 >anyone that those who call themselves "purists" are often wrong. Perhaps it's because purists are non pragmatic. However, as I said previous= ly, there has to be a model to follow so that we know, at the very least wh= ich key we're are playing in. It's like trying Rachmaninoff's Prelude in C= sharp minor in the key of B flat and not knowing why it doesn't work. Not a= ll instruments are guitars or keyboards. =20 >As for the popularity of classical music, the noticable decline had=20 >to have been in the early 1960s or so, not because of the more "pop"=20 >arrangements as mentioned above, but because people noticed there was=20 >very little difference between this orchestra's version and that=20 >orchestra's version of most classical music. Essentially, it became=20 >so bland that most got turned off from seeing 30 different versions=20 >of the same piece, all played with little variance. I think that was more the fault of the recording company. I know Deutche Gr= amaphone recordings were declining in popularity becaue of their blandness.= =20 > >Some of these "pop" versions-- The versions done by people who stuck=20 >their necks out and did their selections in a completely different=20 >form, such as Wendy Carlos' "Switched-On Bach"-- actually have done=20 >very well over the years. I remember her as "Walter" prior to his transformation and I do have her Ba= ch 2000 album and I have listened to it, non-stop, for hours when I am working. Walter got hi= s start during the disco era didn't he.=20 > >It's not that there's any real lack of appreciation of classical=20 >music-- A substatian number of my techno friends love listening to=20 >classical just as well, and much of techno is actually greatly=20 >influenced by classical. (Artists like Aphex Twin, Orbital, Moby and=20 >William Orbit come to mind.) I would probably enjoy the same stuff. I've heard a little "Bach feuge'ing"= going on in the background of some rock bands. > >And yes, for what it's worth, I'm well aware of classical music once=20 >having as much as 40% share of all sales as late as the 1940s and=20 >1950s. Unfortunately, in 1968, sound envelope technology went mainstream and the "= fuzz box'' was born. From that point on the center of music went over to th= e Brits who (and I can hear the beer cans bouncing off the monitor screens = already) totally trashed it. I said that because anyone who thinks Mick Jag= ger can sing has to be smoking something, I know I'd have to be. ;-))=20=20 Sorry 'bout all the OT stuff. MS From rwagoner1@mac.com Thu Sep 04 15:16:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77748 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2003 22:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2003 22:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 22:16:02 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP id <20030904221214.CEEP15700.fed1mtao02.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:12:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:12:26 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003c01c372e9$d6fb5d90$9802a8c0@jimspc> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner A few minutes behind, yet they also have their background music at work (that counts toward the total) AND IT'S STILL behind! And listening among young people -- radio's future -- is almost nonexistent. Radio is in trouble, and programming is to blame. Richard Wagoner On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 06:38 AM, Jim Burgan wrote: >> Ah, no. 30-40 years ago was the peak of the so-called "golden age" of >> AM pop radio, where EVERYONE was listening, even with TV around-- >> Radio was greatly reshaped with the advent of TV, and became the >> biggest boon to pop music ever in the history of recorded music. > > I wanted to have my source before I replied, but can't find it at this > minute. > Sorry Amy but this time your wrong. People have been quoting this > "radio > listenership is down" stuff for years, but it just isn't true. > The average cume & share per station is down considerably since 1965 > because > the proliferation of radio stations, but overall people listened to > radio > aprox 20 hour per week in 1965 and they are only slightly below that > today > (19 hours and change). > Remember... 35 years ago there were very few people who listened to > radio > at work. Most offices had Muzak or nothing. > Today almost all work places have radio stations piped into the > building. > If you are talking about Top 40 radio specifically, today's CHR's do > not > command the share of those powerhouse Top 40's but since 1965 Top 50 > and MOR > have splintered into a dozen niche formats and there are no mass appeal > formats (Hot AC is about as close as you come to true Top 40 > but most 12-24 demos won't touch it. > Overall, the number of hours people spend a day listening to radio is > just a > few minutes behind 1965 (the time when radio achieved it's highest > level of > listeners). > -Jim- > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 04 17:50:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85677 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 00:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 00:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 00:50:49 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c37348$1d034920$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030904005620.19076.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} speaking of WCRS Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:53:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It was a lousy transmitter to be sure, but it was a unique design both electrically and physically. Looked a bit like a juke box. I'd like to get one of these for my collection if at all possible. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > > Speaking of dead transmitters, One that deserved to die did. The Gates > Vanguard 1 at WDRF 1510 caught fire! From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 04 17:52:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24543 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 00:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 00:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 00:52:42 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c37348$7a0519a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:55:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Probably an electrolytic reforming with the voltage applied. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > > PS- Did you get that Gates limiter schematic I sent you several > > weeks ago? > > Yup -- thanks! Don't really need it, though -- the problem with > "crackling" distortion seems to have fixed itself, just by running > the ol' Solid Statesman continuously for nearly a year now. From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 04 18:05:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35516 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 01:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 01:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 01:05:37 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c3734a$3fc5af00$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <009501c372b3$320840e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:08:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Haven't been to your state for some years. Perhaps it's time. Biggest bugaboo now is money. Funny how having a family makes it such a scarce commodity. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > Na Na Na Na Naaa Na! > I have both in my collection! > If you want to drive down here to hear them Scott, it's only 35 minutes > south on I-65 :-) From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 04 18:24:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37635 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 01:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 01:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 01:24:01 -0000 Message-ID: <004701c3734c$cee61600$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tower electrical height Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:26:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude answers interleaved- ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "tubesareking" > > Let's say I establish a 10kw AM station [CQUAM stereo of course] in > Montague PEI on 1410. Using quarter wave towers [2], these would be > about 175 feet each. If I were to use 1/2 wave towers, about 350 > feet each, my understanding is that this would help the groundwave > coverage. In either case, this would involve a typical Industry > Canada spec ground system - 120 4/10 wavelength radials per tower, > 10 guage wire, 8 inches down. Ground conductivity for PEI is > officially "4". Lots of nearby salt water. To what degree the > groundwave coverage would be enhanced is another story. My > understanding is that this would be similar to flattening a donut > somewhat [Tim's of course!]. Are Tim's as good as Krispy Kremes? :) Your understanding is correct about the flattening. Surprised they use 4/10 wave radials- usually 1/4 will do. > > Now the questions: > > Would using the 1/2 wavelength towers reduce nightime > groundwave/skywave cancellation, fading etc.? > > Would using the 1/2 wavelength towers reduce co-channel and adjacent > channel interference, by reducing the rf field that was directed > skyward? Or, would this simple shift the interference zone farther > away? Actually it would do all of these. Less energy is directed skyward and with the flattening you mentioned it also helps extend the groundwave. By extension it can, but not necessarily, reduce the skywave interference. It does shift the interference zone further away because of the more oblique angle of incidence with which it hits the ionosphere. > > Would using the 1/2 wavelength towers offer better performance where > phasing issues might surface [assuming a tight nightime pattern] > affecting CQUAM and for that matter IBOC? E.g., better audio > quality in nulls? Can't answer that one. I suspect not, however. > > Would 5/8 towers be even better? Or, an electrical height between > 1/2 and 5/8? Say 190 degrees or so? The anti-fade height is 192 degrees- this height produces the least skywave. IIRC, the KFI tower is this height. If you were to go 5/8, the antenna would start producing minor skywave lobes that would interfere with your groundwave coverage. Scott Todd From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Sep 04 18:44:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30944 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 01:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 01:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 01:44:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 01:42:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:42:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} speaking of WCRS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c37348$1d034920$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 818 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.177 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g It used a linear amplifier and low level modulation, sort of like an old time transmitter. I thought it looked more like a washing machine, but I suppose looks are in the eye of the beholder. I thought I saw a picture in an ad or catalog of a later version which was repackaged to look like a conventional transmitter. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > It was a lousy transmitter to be sure, but it was a unique design > both electrically and physically. Looked a bit like a juke box. > I'd like to get one of these for my collection if at all possible. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Possum Hunter" > > > > > Speaking of dead transmitters, One that deserved to die did. The Gates > > Vanguard 1 at WDRF 1510 caught fire! From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 04 18:47:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42757 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 01:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 01:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 01:47:04 -0000 Message-ID: <008301c37350$0bb9a6c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030904005850.91691.qmail@web80504.mail.yahoo.com> <3F576A45.1050607@lanl.gov> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Modulation Max? Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:50:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not sure I can understand JSG's explanation (I take it you were describing the Dorrough method, John?), but in normal AM modulation schemes it's a bit like money- you can start with X amount and make more than 100% on the upside, but if you lose 100% it's all gone with nothing left over. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > > > --- "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" > > wrote: > > > How is it possible to modulate to more than 100% > > > without introducing > > > distortion? Note that I'm not questioning whether > > > it's possible, I'm > > > just curious as to how it's done... > > > > > > > > > positive yes, negative NO> > > Umm... Can someone explain THAT, please? From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Sep 04 18:52:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 424 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 01:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 01:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.111) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 01:52:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:52:11 -0700 Received: from 172.128.65.156 by bay7-dav7.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:52:11 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20030904005620.19076.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> <000901c37348$1d034920$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} speaking of WCRS Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:49:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2003 01:52:11.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[52B41F60:01C37350] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.128.65.156] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: > It was a lousy transmitter to be sure, but it was a unique design both electrically and physically. Looked a bit like a juke box. I'd like to get one of these for my collection if at all possible. WGOG in Wahlhala, SC has one that still works. The Vanguard at WDRF was the second generation that looked like a regular transmitter. Kevin From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Sep 04 18:59:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78003 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 01:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 01:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 01:59:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 01:59:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:59:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo soundbites CFCO & WJR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2548 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Mr.M S wrote: > > > If anyone is looking for the FTA-100 air samples of CFCO and WJR > > recorded by John P, they're > > at "http://www.fanfare.com/soundbites.html" > > > Marv - superb! AMS has never sounded better. > > What say you JB?? I don't know if I am the JB you are addressing, but I will throw in my two bits anyway. I took a quick listen to some of the "soundbites" this afternoon, I will have to listen again another day when conditions are more conducive to critical listening. These "soundbites" are really not very useful for judging the ability of the FTA-100 suppress interference. At a minimum, to do that, we would need some "soundbites" from a known radio, using the same antenna system, showing the degree of interference present at the site. Additionally it would be useful to know the actual location of the receiving site, "Toledo" is sort of vague, GPS coordinates would be better, the field strength of the signals at the receiving site, and a description of the antenna used to receive the signals. The WJR "soundbites" are nearly useless because WJR is local to Toledo, the WJR transmitter site being less than 40 miles from Toledo. The CFCO "soundbites" are potentially more interesting. The receiver is more distant from the transmitter, probably something on the order of 80 miles or so, but the frequency is low, and much of the path is over water, as seems to be the case with many of these "soundbites", both of these factors make for low attenuation of the signal. The wild card is the CFCO antenna pattern, which may put the "Toledo" area in a null, which would greatly reduce the signal strength. It would be nice to have some field strength readings from a field strength meter to know what we are really dealing with here in the way of signal strength. I didn't listen much to the WJR audio, as I said I will have to listen to that again, as well as listen to the CFCO audio some more to make a full report. The interesting thing I noticed about the CFCO "soundbites" I listened to was that they were not very flattering to the AM stereo system, with all kinds of processing artifacts that caused constant level shifts. I assume this was in no way the fault of the FTA-100, but was either due to the audio processing used at CFCO, or was a result of converting the audio into "mp3" files. Whatever was causing it, I found the level shifts quite annoying. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Sep 04 19:06:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68167 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 02:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 02:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 02:06:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 02:05:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 02:05:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1366 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > If the digital bit stream could be split into two separate channels > > when this sort of conflict occurs, then the one station could > > carry both games at the same time without having to resort to > > another station to carry the second game. > > Who needs digital to do that? Just put one game in the Left > channel, the other game in the Right channel, and tell listeners how > to use the balance control on their radio. This *has* been done in > the past, although obviously such a scheme would be more effective > if a greater percentage of radios -- both AM and FM -- were Stereo- > equipped. I suspect the separation realized by the C-Quam system in the real world is no where near great enough for that to work very well, only a masochist would be likely to put up with the crosstalk that would be present between the two programs. Splitting the bit rate in a digital system yields essentially infinite separation. > And if you want to talk about live sporting events, that's something > IBOC is physically incapable of broadcasting, due to its inherent > 8.5-second delay. "Play-by-Play" becomes "Replay-by-Replay"! I don't see how this is a problem except for people in the stands at the ball game trying to also listen to the game on the radio. John From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Sep 04 19:08:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42634 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 02:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 02:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 02:08:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:07:36 -0700 Received: from 172.128.65.156 by bay7-dav55.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 02:07:36 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tower electrical height Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:04:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2003 02:07:36.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A07A620:01C37352] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.128.65.156] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 tubesareking wrote: > Would 5/8 towers be even better? Or, an electrical height between 1/2 and 5/8? Say 190 degrees or so? 192 Degree height tower will give the maximum Groundwave signal with minimum Skywave interference at night. > > but through different array designs, greater electrical length [expensive I know] etc. etc. that would improve AM's viability, be it mono, CQUAM, IBOC etc. Another thing to factor in is the cross section width of the radiator. The wider the radiator, the wider the bandwidth of the tower will be and you will get better Mono fidelity and better Stereo performance. That is why stations that have a skirt antenna on a grounded tower sound better, that is till it comes up a wind storm or it ices up! LOL Speaking of such things, It is nearly time for our friends up North to figure out who will get baseball bat and broom duty for the Winter. For those members South of us, Baseball bat duty is when you get to go out in an ice storm and use a baseball bat to break the ice from the insulators and a broom to sweep snow off of the satellite dishes. Kevin From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Sep 04 19:22:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56741 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 02:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 02:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 02:22:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 02:20:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 02:20:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Modulation Max? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1053 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Conventionally there isn't, though my friend Mike Dorrough > > developed a system to do 200% without distortion. Don't know > > enough details to describe it, though. > > > > Scott Todd > > When a signal is transmitted to -100% modulation for the full > 10.2KHz BW most receivers even the wider ones have an IF response > that starts to drop off around 6KHz and at 10KHz could be down > by 12dB reducing the level of the higher frequency sidebands. At > the envelope detector this is seen as a less than 100% modulation. > Even some negative modulation greater than -100% at the transmitter > will not be seen by the envelope detector after filtering. As a > result a transmitter could exceed -100% to maybe -150% by the > higher frequencies and the detector wouldn't see modulation >-100% > after RF & IF bandpass attenuation. Are you saying that some AM stations actually do this intentionally? John From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Sep 04 20:15:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24920 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 03:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 03:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.113) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 03:15:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:13:41 -0700 Received: from 172.128.65.156 by bay7-dav9.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 03:13:40 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Classical and Electronica Music Was: Princeton Record Exchange Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:10:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2003 03:13:41.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4F3CA80:01C3735B] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.128.65.156] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > As someone who happens to like classical music, I can flatly tell anyone that those who call themselves "purists" are often wrong. Most classical music was never written for "cookie-cutter" orchestra arrangements and ensembles. Nor was it written for hissy FM Stereo. Clearly Beethoven had AM stereo in mind when he composed Symphony Number 6 :-) Seriously, I do miss hearing my favorite symphony in Kahn Stereo on 1560 WQXR. Gone are the good ole days. > > As for the popularity of classical music, the noticable decline had to have been in the early 1960s or so, not because of the more "pop" arrangements as mentioned above, but because people noticed there was no life in the sound of FM radio. The classical stations made a BIG blunder by migrating to FM. > >A substatian number of my techno friends love listening to classical just as well, and much of techno is actually greatly influenced by classical. (Artists like Aphex Twin, Orbital, Moby and William Orbit come to mind.) I must admit that I do like my Electronica Music. NOTHING sounds more awsome than Amethystium, Lesiem, Anugama, or Merlin's Magic played over a RCA BTA1R. I have always thought the Electronica and Techno you hear on the South American MW and Tropical Band stations sounded real cool. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 20:48:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1512 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 03:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 03:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 03:48:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 03:47:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 03:47:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo soundbites CFCO & WJR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 522 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The CFCO "soundbites" are potentially more interesting. The > receiver is more distant from the transmitter, probably something > on the order of 80 miles or so, 81 miles, to be exact (as previously reported here by the fellow who made these recordings). > The interesting thing I noticed about the CFCO "soundbites" I > listened to was that they were not very flattering to the AM stereo > system, with all kinds of processing artifacts that caused constant > level shifts. I believe that's called "compression". From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 20:57:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14024 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 03:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 03:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 03:57:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 03:57:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 03:57:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1294 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I suspect the separation realized by the C-Quam system in the real > world is no where near great enough for that to work very well, > only a masochist would be likely to put up with the crosstalk that > would be present between the two programs. 35 to 40 dB of separation at vocally important frequencies isn't enough? That's higher than the entire S/N ratio of many ordinary mono AM radios -- and better than the separation that many FM Stereo receivers achieve, especially those with overly aggressive "blend" circuits (i.e. virtually all modern car radios). > Splitting the bit rate in a digital system yields essentially > infinite separation. ...and essentially (DIVIDE_BY_ZERO_ERROR) separation if you're outside the limited range in which the "Enhanced" mode IBOC signal will work. ("Enhanced" mode delivers stereo audio, vs. mono for "Core" mode -- so, for a split bitstream, I presume "Enhanced" mode would provide both audio streams, while "Core" mode would only provide one of the two streams.) > I don't see how this is a problem except for people in the stands > at the ball game trying to also listen to the game on the radio. How about the New Years' Countdown? Should they drop the ball in Times Square 8.5 seconds early, to compensate for IBOC's latency? From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Sep 04 21:03:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55484 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 04:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 04:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 04:03:22 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.109.272685fb (4246) for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <109.272685fb.2c89630e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:54:54 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray / WTIC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm right on this one...WSB's ground conductivity is more in the 1.5 range...with their non-directional antenna, they can still cover 125 miles during the daytime, and has a clear signal metro-wide at night. (by contrast, KMOX in St. Louis, 1120 kHz, 50 kW ND and ground conductivity of 15, can cover 175 miles during the day). The worst ground is not in DeKalb County, but in Fulton County. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Sep 04 21:48:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35094 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 04:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 04:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 04:48:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:48:08 -0700 Received: from 172.171.117.195 by bay7-dav44.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 04:48:08 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 00:45:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2003 04:48:08.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6EA3E90:01C37368] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.171.117.195] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > The record labels have largely priced themselves out of competition, You have hit the nail on the head, my dear Mouse! It costs 4 times the price of a CD to produce a cassette tape, yet the CD retails for up to twice the price of the same tape! If the record companies had fair pricing, a CD would retail for 1/4 the price of a tape, or about $3 bucks. Do you think ANYBODY would spend all day downloading songs then spend the bucks for blank CDs then spend the time to burn a CD he can buy for $3 bucks? No, but people sure will instead of shelling out $20! > > especially with putting out albums with only one or two good songs, the rest being complete throwaways. The good thing about New-Age, World, and Electronica music is most all CDs have ALL good songs and no filler. > > In fact, in many, if not most cases, cookie-cutter pop radio is losing market share, and yes, listenership is down. Well, On FM all there is to listen to is Country, Rap, Rock, CHR, and Biblecasters. AM is worse with just Talk and Biblecasters. Often I have wondered how an AM Stereo station, such as a Class C Local, would go over with a world music or Electronica format. It is a niche market for sure, but after all, Elevator Music WHLC-FM is pulling Arbitron numbers out of Greenville, SC with a VERY weak, and by most standards, an un-marketable signal. The only two tuners that will pick the station up at my house is a Grundig YB-400PE and a Magnum Dynalab FT-101. Not even my 11 tube Dynaco FM-3 will bring in WHLC-FM. There must be a lot of high-end FM tuners in Greenville tuned to 104.5! Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 22:05:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46645 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 05:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 05:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 05:05:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 05:04:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 05:04:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2383 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.252 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Amy Mousie wrote: > > The record labels have largely priced themselves out of competition, > > You have hit the nail on the head, my dear Mouse! It costs 4 times the price > of a CD to produce a cassette tape, yet the CD retails for up to twice the > price of the same tape! If the record companies had fair pricing, a CD would > retail for 1/4 the price of a tape, or about $3 bucks. Do you think ANYBODY > would spend all day downloading songs then spend the bucks for blank CDs > then spend the time to burn a CD he can buy for $3 bucks? No, but people > sure will instead of shelling out $20! Well, since Universal (the former MCA and PoliGram companies) has just announced a price drop. Hopefully this will spur sales. > > especially with putting out albums with only one or two good songs, the > rest being complete throwaways. > > The good thing about New-Age, World, and Electronica music is most all CDs > have ALL good songs and no filler. This is true with practically all Indie labels, since they aren';t market-driven. Hats off to the indies! > > In fact, in many, if not most cases, cookie-cutter pop radio is losing > market share, and yes, listenership is down. > > Well, On FM all there is to listen to is Country, Rap, Rock, CHR, and > Biblecasters. AM is worse with just Talk and Biblecasters. Depending on where you live, there ARE a few music AM stations, many of which are stereo. And I'm lucky- Where I live, we have several freeform commercial broadcasters, and so we get some diversity. And don't forget the oldies, with only 300 songs covering a 25 year span. :P > Often I have wondered how an AM Stereo station, such as a Class C Local, > would go over with a world music or Electronica format. It is a niche market > for sure, but after all, Elevator Music WHLC-FM is pulling Arbitron numbers > out of Greenville, SC with a VERY weak, and by most standards, an > un-marketable signal. The only two tuners that will pick the station up at > my house is a Grundig YB-400PE and a Magnum Dynalab FT-101. Not even my 11 > tube Dynaco FM-3 will bring in WHLC-FM. There must be a lot of high- end FM > tuners in Greenville tuned to 104.5! Ask Neal about AM stereo WTTM. :) (We need more audio samples of WTTM-- Mr. Moderator?) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 22:17:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35861 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 05:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 05:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 05:17:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 05:16:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 05:16:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Classical and Electronica Music Was: Princeton Record Exchange Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2064 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.252 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Amy Mousie wrote: > > As someone who happens to like classical music, I can flatly tell anyone > that those who call themselves "purists" are often wrong. Most classical > music was never written for "cookie-cutter" orchestra arrangements and > ensembles. > > Nor was it written for hissy FM Stereo. Clearly Beethoven had AM stereo in > mind when he composed Symphony Number 6 :-) Seriously, I do miss hearing my > favorite symphony in Kahn Stereo on 1560 WQXR. Gone are the good ole days. > Let's see.. FM mono has better than 75dB of dynamic range, and if properly done, stereo should be about 60 dB-- About the same as a decent Dolby B cassette deck. AM usually is about ~45 dB, and stereo seems to cut in about 3 dB from that. That's for a good local. > > As for the popularity of classical music, the noticable decline had to > have been in the early 1960s or so, not because of the more "pop" > arrangements as mentioned above, > > but because people noticed there was no life in the sound of FM radio. The > classical stations made a BIG blunder by migrating to FM. Actually, classical works better for FM than for AM. Pop, however (including oldies and country) are best suited for a good AM reception. :) Just this mousie's opinion. :) > >A substatian number of my techno friends love listening to classical just > as well, and much of techno is actually greatly influenced by classical. > (Artists like Aphex Twin, Orbital, Moby and William Orbit come to mind.) > > I must admit that I do like my Electronica Music. NOTHING sounds more awsome > than Amethystium, Lesiem, Anugama, or Merlin's Magic played over a RCA > BTA1R. > I have always thought the Electronica and Techno you hear on the South > American MW and Tropical Band stations sounded real cool. There's alot of good stufdf out there most people have never hesard in this country, and I do mean beyond the latino "banderas" one hears all too often. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 23:12:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32334 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 06:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 06:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 06:12:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 06:11:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 06:11:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200309041507140290.00CB062D@smtp.pce.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6452 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.252 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M.S." wrote: > On 9/4/03 at 5:21 PM Amy Mousie wrote: > > >--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M.S." wrote: > Everyone.... please ... read what I wrote > > " in the hands of a 'pop' mixer and marketing the product in cute > little "pop-culture" albums." > > In other words, the way the music was re-mixed in order to make it punchier was what turned off the purist. Therer can be a number of quiet turned off the Personally, I would say "purists be damned", since purism has effectively sterilized the genre. But I would think you're referring to the likes of Placido Domingo, Luciano Pavarotti, and Andrea Bocelli, all who sell million-seller classical "pop". > >> the so called "purists" are snobs more than music lovers. > > No, they're not snobs any more than you are as a purist of the english language, of which you obviously are John. Otherwise we'd all saying "Like Kewl, man." in every second sentence. Music purists are simply people who follow what they were taught as the way in which a particualr music form, in this case classical music, should be portrayed. Purists also have a tendency to keep things on track and honest. Purists are stale. Music, regardless of genre, must be dynamic. (And yes, I have been listening to classical music most of my life, and consider myself a fan of Beethoven, Debussy, and Satie, amongst others.) > This may also follow fly in the face of what Amy refers to as being "wrong", but with all due respect, that is another opinion. I'm aware composers did use different orchestral deployment for different pieces. But you are still at the mercy of the conductor accepting that deployment. Maybe he/she did not like it. What the heck, composers were not perfect. But IMO it's the name of the orchestra and its conductor that sells the the album, not the composer. To me, that is why orchestras like "St.Martins in the Field", as an example, continue to sell so well. I don't buy classical music for the performers, but for the music. > >As someone who happens to like classical music, I can flatly tell > >anyone that those who call themselves "purists" are often wrong. > > Perhaps it's because purists are non pragmatic. However, as I said previously, there has to be a model to follow so that we know, at the very least which key we're are playing in. It's like trying Rachmaninoff's Prelude in Csharp minor in the key of B flat and not knowing why it doesn't work. Not all instruments are guitars or keyboards. That is the composer's perrogative when composing. I have heard tempos, dictated in the compositions, being thoroughly out of place in some performances. > >As for the popularity of classical music, the noticable decline had > >to have been in the early 1960s or so, not because of the more "pop" > >arrangements as mentioned above, but because people noticed there was > >very little difference between this orchestra's version and that > >orchestra's version of most classical music. Essentially, it became > >so bland that most got turned off from seeing 30 different versions > >of the same piece, all played with little variance. > > I think that was more the fault of the recording company. I know Deutche Gramaphone recordings were declining in popularity becaue of their blandness. DG, yes- Cold and bland. Something about German precision. But this problem- blandness- permeates many classical labels, sadly, where few actually attempt to make anything that stands out. This, I think, has alot to do with how the classical recording industry works, where most works are contracted out, rather than attempting to work on original performances. I think this was what made classical as popular as it once was many decades ago, as performances of the popular classics were marked by some form of uniqueness by the performers/conductors/orchestras. > >Some of these "pop" versions-- The versions done by people who stuck > >their necks out and did their selections in a completely different > >form, such as Wendy Carlos' "Switched-On Bach"-- actually have done > >very well over the years. > > I remember her as "Walter" prior to his transformation and I do have her Bach 2000 album and > I have listened to it, non-stop, for hours when I am working. Walter got his start during the disco era didn't he. I have never seen any concrete substantiation of her being referred to as "Walter", not even on her website http://www.wendycarlos.com/ And "Switched\-On Bach was 1968, years before the emergence of Disco from the R&B/Soul sound. > >It's not that there's any real lack of appreciation of classical > >music-- A substatian number of my techno friends love listening to > >classical just as well, and much of techno is actually greatly > >influenced by classical. (Artists like Aphex Twin, Orbital, Moby and > >William Orbit come to mind.) > > I would probably enjoy the same stuff. I've heard a little "Bach feuge'ing" going on in the background of some rock bands. > > Styx, especially, comes to mind, who have integrated Bach's fugues and inventions in most of their albums. ELO was largely influenced by Beethoven (and, interestingly, was where I got into classical music- I'm a bigtime ELO fan). I also think of the Moody Blues, whom I think followed Vivaldi and Haydn. > >And yes, for what it's worth, I'm well aware of classical music once > >having as much as 40% share of all sales as late as the 1940s and > >1950s. > > Unfortunately, in 1968, sound envelope technology went mainstream and the "fuzz box'' was born. From that point on the center of music went over to the Brits who (and I can hear the beer cans bouncing off the monitor screens already) totally trashed it. I said that because anyone who thinks Mick Jagger can sing has to be smoking something, I know I'd have to be. ;-)) I don't mind the Stones, but the "fuzz box" predates 1968. I love psychedelic rock, and no, I don't do drugs....unless you count good, strong cheese. :) And Mick Jagger's style is borne out of bothe thne R&B/blues of the 1950s and 1960s, and the early garage rock sound from the early 1960s. > Sorry 'bout all the OT stuff. Like this list hasn't delved into such stuff before? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 23:15:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77344 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 06:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 06:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 06:15:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 06:15:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 06:15:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 137 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > (We need more audio samples of WTTM-- Mr. Moderator?) I have a bunch of hi-fi stereo OGGs of WTTM... just need time to upload them! From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 23:44:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17252 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 06:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 06:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41001.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.0) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 06:44:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20030905064442.65867.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.43.248] by web41001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 23:44:42 PDT Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: O.T.: Re: {AMSF} Re: Classical and Electronica Music Was: Princeton Record Exchange To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio After working at a college radio station where my Friday night rock show nearly got bumped to Weds. @ 7A.M., I can say that from what I have heard of techno, it is garbage. A repetitive beat and some chick wailing in the background singing "feel me" once every five minutes is not music. I say techNO! It is watered down R&B beats to white-bread standards, if the so-called "artists" even bothered to use something else other than their drum machine on repeat. Just take some X and freak out. I know, I know: I'm not in touch with my generation. I'm 24 and like classic rock (especially obscure '70s like City Boy's 1978 classic: "5.7.0.5." and even Sweet's 1977 track "Love Is Like Oxygen" which reached the same chart position as "Sweet Home Alabama" and for more weeks!), Jazz (my favorite type of music), Salsa, Cuban Jazz, '50s R&B, Acid Jazz, Beach music, Funk, '80s metal, '60s protest rock ("What About Me" from Quicksilver Messenger Service, "Fresh Garbage" from Spirit), classic rock, rock blues, swing if it wasn't recorded on a scratchy mono 78 R.P.M. lathe and more. Techno and a lot of classical just don't do it for me although I can see the merit in classical. I think WQRS and WFLN should be restored, but not Energy 92.7/5. 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 23:54:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37218 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 06:54:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 06:54:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41003.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.2) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 06:54:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20030905065332.42191.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.43.248] by web41003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 23:53:32 PDT Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Northwest AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200309031549520610.00458C1B@smtp.pce.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Does he have Cabin fever? I thought at first you said "Insomniac" with Dave Atell on Comedy Central when he goes to Anchorage. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Sep 05 06:19:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54882 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 13:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 13:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 13:19:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 13:18:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:18:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tower electrical height Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1314 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Thanks Kevin Possum Hunter and Scott Todd for your input on this. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > tubesareking wrote: > > Would 5/8 towers be even better? Or, an electrical height between 1/2 and > 5/8? Say 190 degrees or so? > > 192 Degree height tower will give the maximum Groundwave signal with minimum > Skywave interference at night. > > > > but through different array designs, greater electrical length [expensive > I know] etc. etc. that would improve AM's viability, be it mono, CQUAM, IBOC > etc. > > Another thing to factor in is the cross section width of the radiator. The > wider the radiator, the wider the bandwidth of the tower will be and you > will get better Mono fidelity and better Stereo performance. That is why > stations that have a skirt antenna on a grounded tower sound better, that is > till it comes up a wind storm or it ices up! LOL > > Speaking of such things, It is nearly time for our friends up North to > figure out who will get baseball bat and broom duty for the Winter. For > those members South of us, Baseball bat duty is when you get to go out in an > ice storm and use a baseball bat to break the ice from the insulators and a > broom to sweep snow off of the satellite dishes. > > Kevin From jim@burgan.net Fri Sep 05 06:34:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65798 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 13:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 13:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-4.iquest.net) (206.246.180.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 13:34:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 88434 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 13:31:49 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-4.iquest.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 13:31:49 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-177.iquest.net [209.43.58.177]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id ALZ50699; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:31:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006101c373b2$0f5f42a0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <3F5724F9.7A652F7D@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray / WTIC Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:31:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Stations here in the Tampa area whose towers are on causeways or otherwise near the water cover a greater groundwave > area than inland stations with 10 times the power. If you took a short boat trip down the Banana River and Indian River (the saltwater Intercostals Waterway) on the east coast of central Florida, would find 4 or 5 AM stations with towers built 100' offshore. I guess that would save a bundle on grounding radials, and, as mentioned they, do get out much better than those with land-based towers. Of course you'd better keep 'em painted well... The corrosion must be awful.... -Jim- From jim@burgan.net Fri Sep 05 06:49:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58924 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 13:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 13:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-3.iquest.net) (206.246.180.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 13:49:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 7093 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 13:49:11 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-3.iquest.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 13:49:11 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-177.iquest.net [209.43.58.177]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id ALZ53329; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:49:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008001c373b4$7bcf5a40$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:49:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > > To appreciate classical music shows you enjoy climbing the > stairs of life, Jim. I don't mean to make light of your intersts > but, according to the publisher of Audio Guide, placing classical > music in the hands of a 'pop' mixer and marketing the product in > cute little "pop-culture" albums was what spelled the demise of its > popularity on the radio amongst the 'purists'. . Win some, lose a > lot. > > > > I don't understand the connection here, why would > making "classical" > > music more interesting to the masses, spell its demise of its > > popularity on the radio amongst the "purists"? It sounds to me > like > > the so called "purists" are snobs more than music lovers. I don't consider the Apollo 100 and the Moog Synthesizer versions of Bach's music "classical". They are pop music, plain and simple. Same thing with Eumir Deodato's "Also Sprach Zarathustra" (although there are those that would argue that Strauss' music isn't really classical to begin with) or Walter Murphy's "A Fifth of Beethoven". I have a deep appreciation for classical music, but I don't think Apollo 100 did anything to damage the cause of classical music. I don't know what you mean by 'purists'. Does that mean that if I like to hear Chopin's music played by an orchestra rather than on a harpsichord or piano that I am not a purist? Classical music's demise on the radio had nothing to do with 70's pop covers... It had to do with the fact that ad agencies don't target the demo of the average classical music lover, and classical music lovers were to cheap to donate money to keep the non-coms on the air. Lose some, win a lot... From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Fri Sep 05 10:16:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92725 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 17:16:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 17:16:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.211) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 17:16:51 -0000 Received: from user-557.bbd07tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.114.45] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19vKCW-0002m5-9l for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 18:16:48 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:54:38 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AMS transmitters and receivers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Ruud, Used C-Quam stereo generators are easy enough to find at around the=20 $500.00 USD mark. Matt Lightner (search for Lightner Electronics on=20 Google) in Pa, USA has one listed on his site. I know of one or two=20 others around for sale also. I have a 9200 Optimod and can confirm it's not stereo. A new and current production matrix AM processor is the CRL Amigo=20 series. They offer three different models, Talk, AM and HF. If you shop around the US these can be found for around $2,500.00 US, in=20 the UK Preco, the distributor here has one in stock but you have to=20 change the '$' sign for the '=A3' sign' and it works out at circa=20 $3,500.00, yea right! Radio receivers are not a problem - if you speak Japanese! This site lists a good number of AMS models but they don't like to=20 answer e-mails: www.japan-direct.com I'd suggest you pick up the phone as their site's in English. If anyone has any other AMS radio sales sites I'd like to know about=20 them. --=20 Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 10:17:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96461 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 17:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 17:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 17:17:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 17:17:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 17:17:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008001c373b4$7bcf5a40$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3408 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: =snip= > I don't consider the Apollo 100 and the Moog Synthesizer versions of Bach's > music "classical". > They are pop music, plain and simple. Same thing with Eumir Deodato's "Also > Sprach Zarathustra" (although there are those that would argue that > Strauss' music isn't really classical to begin with) or Walter Murphy's "A > Fifth of Beethoven". Yes, Apollo 100 and most of the others you cite are pop music (Deodato is jazz, by the way), but Wendy Carlos' Bach (and other classical music) on the Moog is indeed classical- No attempt of performing in a different style, or any further embellishment; the Moog is treated as just another musical instrument. (Bach, after all, composed a majority of his works for pipe organ, although they're frequently done in strings, full orchestration, classical guitar, piano, even steel drums. It's just another instrument. > I have a deep appreciation for classical music, but I don't think Apollo 100 > did anything to damage the cause of classical music. I don't think so, either. In fact, if anything, such versions actually increased awareness in classical at a time when most these days are never exposed to it. I'm lucky, here, again-- I have enjoyed classical music most of my life! > I don't know what you mean by 'purists'. Does that mean that if I like to > hear Chopin's music played by an orchestra rather than on a harpsichord or > piano that I am not a purist? A "purist" insists hearing the music a certain way, usually limited to full orchestra, piano, guitar, "conventional" strings (violin, viola, bass), and maybe pipe organ and harpsichord. Hearing classical works on any other instrument-- even the instrument(s) intended in the compositions-- is not readily acceptable. (For example, it's not that widely known that Mozart composed for what we would consider today "unusual" instruments, including clockwork instruments- elaborate music boxes, as well as two works for the glass armonica, which you can find out more on that instrument at http://www.glassarmonica.com, or in the Yahoo! group "GlassArmonica" at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlassArmonica/ where the links page is accessable to all, the largest such index of links for glass music on the internet.) > Classical music's demise on the radio had nothing to do with 70's pop > covers... It had to do with the fact that ad agencies don't target the demo > of the average classical music lover, and classical music lovers were to > cheap to donate money to keep the non-coms on the air. > Lose some, win a lot... Simply put, they couldn't SELL it, which is right-- Most classical broadcasters barely make any money. There are a few that do, amazingly, but they're few and far between. It must be a labor of love for a non-educational broadcaster to put classical music on the air. I wish there were more, admittedly, when I need to get my fix of Beethoven or the impressionists. And Richard Strauss was classical- Anyone ever bother to listen to the entire "Also Sprach Zarathustra", beyond the famous intro? Splendid work, and resembles nothing like the intro itself. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Yes, I love music, and I don't really care what genre. If this disqualifies me as a "purist", so be it, I don't really care. It's just music to me- Enjoyable music. :) ) From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 10:44:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17826 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 17:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 17:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 17:43:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 17:42:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 17:42:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS transmitters and receivers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1018 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Ruud, I think this was supposed to be in "amstereoforumeurope". I don't know if Ruud is in this group or not. =snip= > Radio receivers are not a problem - if you speak Japanese! > > This site lists a good number of AMS models but they don't like to > answer e-mails: > > www.japan-direct.com > > I'd suggest you pick up the phone as their site's in English. > > If anyone has any other AMS radio sales sites I'd like to know about > them. Japan Direct is really only good if you know exactly what you're looking for, since they don't list portable radios directly, although they do list Sony products-- by model number, only. One site that does list some AMS portables (at fair prices) is http://www.audiocubes.com/ under portable radios. The only AMS models they do show are the Sonys. Their selection of prtable radios is pretty small for Japan, only 2 pages' worth, and most aren't AM stereo. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 10:50:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71421 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 17:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 17:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 17:50:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 17:50:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 17:50:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM stereo boombox at Kmart?? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 149 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie This can't be right- An RCA boombox with AM stereo for $45...at Kmart?? http://www.kmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1309637 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 11:09:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22031 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 18:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 18:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 18:09:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 18:09:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 18:09:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo boombox at Kmart?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 376 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This can't be right- An RCA boombox with AM stereo for $45...at > Kmart?? > > http://www.kmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1309637 I think the mention of "AM stereo" is just one of several typos in the description -- they likely meant "FM stereo" instead. Also, it says "The AM/FM stereo tuner has a red LCD [sic] FM stereo indicator and rotary volume control." 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References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 From: "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150284724 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6kuy Amy Mousie wrote: > This can't be right- An RCA boombox with AM stereo for $45...at > Kmart?? > > http://www.kmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1309637 Of course it's not right. It's only $39.99 at Amazon.com! :-) -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 11:20:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85375 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 18:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 18:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 18:20:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 18:20:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 18:20:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo boombox at Kmart?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 764 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > This can't be right- An RCA boombox with AM stereo for $45...at > > Kmart?? > > > > http://www.kmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1309637 > > I think the mention of "AM stereo" is just one of several typos in the > description -- they likely meant "FM stereo" instead. Also, it says > "The AM/FM stereo tuner has a red LCD [sic] FM stereo indicator and > rotary volume control." Yes, I know. I think it's a supplied description copy, since I found the same radio with the same description at another site, selling it for $55. Alot of electronics sold online use supplied descriptions from the manufacturers. Saves time. Worth a chuckle, at least. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 11:32:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75193 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 18:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 18:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80511.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 18:32:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20030905183119.68227.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.70] by web80511.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:31:19 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > > And if you want to talk about live sporting > events, that's something > > IBOC is physically incapable of broadcasting, due > to its inherent > > 8.5-second delay. "Play-by-Play" becomes > "Replay-by-Replay"! > > I don't see how this is a problem except for people > in the stands at > the ball game trying to also listen to the game on > the radio. > John If I ( or the person doing the game) is wanting to monitor his own signal, or the people doing a remote broadcast, this is simply UNacceptable. Even the new generations of digital STL's are a MAJOR problem with this too. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 11:39:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98231 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 18:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 18:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80512.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 18:39:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20030905183922.54149.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.70] by web80512.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:39:22 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ground conductivity To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <109.272685fb.2c89630e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > I'm right on this one...WSB's ground conductivity is > more in the 1.5 > range Not according to the map or the measurements made. Don't forget the STONE MOUNTAIN GRANITE lump is right there.... ...with their non-directional antenna, they can > still cover 125 miles during the > daytime, and has a clear signal metro-wide at night. At 125 miles their signal is not very good. WBT is better, but ground conductivity there says 2, and I'd be inclined to think it's less. At night selective fading starts at right under 40 miles. > (by contrast, KMOX in St. > Louis, 1120 kHz, 50 kW ND and ground conductivity of > 15, can cover 175 miles > during the day). The worst ground is not in DeKalb > County, but in Fulton > County. Stand on Stone Mountain and you'll see differently. But in Atlanta METRO, just the city being there HAS to kill the ground conductivity. KMOX with a 15 should be listenable at 300 miles. While at Shamrock Texas (15) I can hear the Dallas stations fine at 355 miles, and up the road 18 miles at Wheeler GC becomes on paper a 30, but it's closer to 20 but you can tell the difference. Most of NE Georgia is actually exceptionally poor. Even with a 200 foot wire strung out at Dawsonville AM reception during the day is bad, and I thought the radio had a failure. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 12:37:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94287 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 19:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 19:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 19:37:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20030905193729.81468.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.251.206] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:37:29 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus We should all join the "Classical Music" yahoo group;-) Michael --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" > wrote: > > =snip= > > > I don't consider the Apollo 100 and the Moog > Synthesizer versions > of Bach's > > music "classical". > > They are pop music, plain and simple. Same thing > with Eumir > Deodato's "Also > > Sprach Zarathustra" (although there are those > that would argue that > > Strauss' music isn't really classical to begin > with) or Walter > Murphy's "A > > Fifth of Beethoven". > > Yes, Apollo 100 and most of the others you cite are > pop music > (Deodato is jazz, by the way), but Wendy Carlos' > Bach (and other > classical music) on the Moog is indeed classical- No > attempt of > performing in a different style, or any further > embellishment; the > Moog is treated as just another musical instrument. > (Bach, after all, > composed a majority of his works for pipe organ, > although they're > frequently done in strings, full orchestration, > classical guitar, > piano, even steel drums. > > It's just another instrument. > > > I have a deep appreciation for classical music, > but I don't think > Apollo 100 > > did anything to damage the cause of classical > music. > > I don't think so, either. In fact, if anything, such > versions > actually increased awareness in classical at a time > when most these > days are never exposed to it. I'm lucky, here, > again-- I have enjoyed > classical music most of my life! > > > I don't know what you mean by 'purists'. Does > that mean that if I > like to > > hear Chopin's music played by an orchestra rather > than on a > harpsichord or > > piano that I am not a purist? > > A "purist" insists hearing the music a certain way, > usually limited > to full orchestra, piano, guitar, "conventional" > strings (violin, > viola, bass), and maybe pipe organ and harpsichord. > Hearing classical > works on any other instrument-- even the > instrument(s) intended in > the compositions-- is not readily acceptable. (For > example, it's not > that widely known that Mozart composed for what we > would consider > today "unusual" instruments, including clockwork > instruments- > elaborate music boxes, as well as two works for the > glass armonica, > which you can find out more on that instrument at > http://www.glassarmonica.com, or in the Yahoo! group > "GlassArmonica" > at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlassArmonica/ > where the links page > is accessable to all, the largest such index of > links for glass music > on the internet.) > > > Classical music's demise on the radio had nothing > to do with 70's > pop > > covers... It had to do with the fact that ad > agencies don't target > the demo > > of the average classical music lover, and > classical music lovers > were to > > cheap to donate money to keep the non-coms on the > air. > > Lose some, win a lot... > > Simply put, they couldn't SELL it, which is right-- > Most classical > broadcasters barely make any money. There are a few > that do, > amazingly, but they're few and far between. > > It must be a labor of love for a non-educational > broadcaster to put > classical music on the air. I wish there were more, > admittedly, when > I need to get my fix of Beethoven or the > impressionists. > > And Richard Strauss was classical- Anyone ever > bother to listen to > the entire "Also Sprach Zarathustra", beyond the > famous intro? > Splendid work, and resembles nothing like the intro > itself. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Yes, I love music, and I don't really care what > genre. If this > disqualifies me as a "purist", so be it, I don't > really care. It's > just music to me- Enjoyable music. :) ) > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w6yn@juno.com Fri Sep 05 13:06:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50275 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 20:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 20:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 20:06:05 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCVEKXN7Pt2QCOMoaEpHyNdo=">; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:03:59 PDT Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H9CCQKWW; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:03:59 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:02:52 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo boombox at Kmart?? Message-ID: <20030905.130252.744.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-11 From: W6YN Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn It is a typo. Don On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 17:50:30 -0000 "Amy Mousie" writes: > This can't be right- An RCA boombox with AM stereo for $45...at > Kmart?? > > http://www.kmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1309637 > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 13:13:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78887 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 20:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 20:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.34) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 20:13:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20030905201315.61241.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.251.206] by web41201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:13:15 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo boombox at Kmart?? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030905.130252.744.0.w6yn@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus If it was you would add a "1 or even a 2" in front to make it a 3 digit price-AM stereo unfortunately due to excellent quality and demand and lack of supply is why its so high priced and not popular in the masses.(Most people think of AM as ringing quality sound,Hetrodynes and static) And naturally no promotion in cheap/family type appliance stores. Michael --- W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > It is a typo. > > Don > > > On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 17:50:30 -0000 "Amy Mousie" > > writes: > > This can't be right- An RCA boombox with AM stereo > for $45...at > > Kmart?? > > > > > http://www.kmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1309637 > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Fri Sep 05 15:44:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46750 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 22:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 22:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 22:44:03 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c373ff$9ebf55a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030904005620.19076.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> <000901c37348$1d034920$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} speaking of WCRS Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:46:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Saw one in Oconto WI a few years ago- would like to get that one if it's still there, though I could be persuaded to go to SC if I had to. All the better to meet some of the list members on the way. Please let me know if they plan to retire it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} speaking of WCRS > Scott Todd wrote: > > It was a lousy transmitter to be sure, but it was a unique design both > electrically and physically. Looked a bit like a juke box. I'd like to get > one of these for my collection if at all possible. > > WGOG in Wahlhala, SC has one that still works. The Vanguard at WDRF was the > second generation that looked like a regular transmitter. > > Kevin > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Sep 05 16:16:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98587 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 23:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 23:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 23:16:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 23:15:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 23:15:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 979 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules This is the deal regarding WSM, and commit this to memory: WSM has LMA with Cumulus Broadcasting, and is still owned by Gaylord Brodcasting. Gaylord sold all FM radio stations to Cumulus, their amusement park, and Grand Ole Opry. Gaylord purchased new transmitter a few years ago, and promptly stopped CQUAM stereo when the new transmitter broyght online. Old exciter is still in the rack connected to the old transmitter, like WSB's setup, and there was one night when WSM was on the old transmitter with stereo. They have absolutely no intention of running IBOC, and will not have the CQUAM back. This is the absolute truth. >Would you be the one who turns on a C-QUAM transmitter when the >commercial broadcasters shut their's off? And would you be the one >to build a receiver from scratch when no receiver can be found? I built an AM stereo CQUAM receiver from scratch, so yes. Remember, AMStereoRules Where were you when the lights went out on August 14th? From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Sep 05 16:22:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49085 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 23:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 23:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 23:22:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 23:21:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 23:21:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Reduction in coverage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 582 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules There is no such thing as quadrature AM. L-R is phase modulation at the 90 degree and 270 degree quadrants. Explain to me how it gets amplitude modulated, if it's connected in place of the oscillator crystal? It is phase decoded at the receiver, that is why the local oscillator is one of the most critical elements in this process. >In addendum, I should have said that even quadrature AM has an >inherent PM component, even though it is phased AM, rather than a >true PM, and even use of FM or PM has a differential (not truly >independent, usually) sideband component. From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Sep 05 16:41:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80685 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 23:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 23:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 23:41:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 23:41:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 23:41:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Just when the ball started rolling, it hit the fan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030902133337.95747.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 238 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >I can't believe it - I just lost a regional AM stereo here last >week, and got the standard reply after my inquiry: So was this WAAM from Ann Arbor? They were sold last week to an interesting outfit that may be a shill group for CCC. From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Sep 05 16:59:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58974 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2003 23:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2003 23:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2003 23:59:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2003 23:59:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 23:59:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM mono vs. Stereo loudness Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 833 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules Kerry, Thank you for your objective comparison of Kahn, CQUAM and HD RADIO and your "real world" experiences. When the transmitter chain, air interface and receiver all behave, AM CQUAM stereo can sound like FM. I was a nonbeliever until I heard it on a Carver TX-11a tuner. WOW! This is AM? Unbelievable. And I know the Carver had its faults, so let's not start that thread again, BTAJohn! And to the rest of you complaining that iBiquity cornered the U.S market, and why didn't the FCC allow Radio Mondiale and HD to cohabitate - you are the same people that criticized the FCC for allowing the "marketplace to decide," creating confusion for the consumers (which it did), and generally killing any widespread success for AM stereo. So keep that thought in mind. iBiquity will have to make this pig fly. - Mario From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Sep 05 17:13:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96480 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 00:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 00:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 00:13:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2003 00:13:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 00:13:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: C-Quam Coverage and Loudness issues Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47182@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 824 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules Your whole analogy is missing one important piece: the iBiquity plan is to eventually migrate to 100% digital transmission on AM, which means no analog AM, and no analog AM stereo at some point. Also, iBiquity is not interested in any cross-licensing with Motorola for any hybrid HD/CQUAM system (or Kahn for that matter). They were soooooo reluctant to give any codec royalties to anyone else, that they almost literally went out of business a few months ago! iBiquity has to get this horse moving before the end of this year, or its curtains for the technology and the company. Mark my words, they will be out of money. And just think, it was the low-bit rate AM codec's fidelity that prompted the NRSC to stall the standards setting process, which caused the domino chain reaction in the company. - Mario From amstereorules@msn.com Fri Sep 05 18:12:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27785 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 01:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 01:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 01:11:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2003 01:11:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 01:11:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Tower electrical height Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 735 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >192 Degree height tower will give the maximum Groundwave signal with >minimum Skywave interference at night. KDKA experimented with this about 15 years ago, and it was not heard at night 150 miles away. >Another thing to factor in is the cross section width of the >radiator. The wider the radiator, the wider the bandwidth of the >tower will be and you will get better Mono fidelity and better >Stereo performance. That is why stations that have a skirt antenna >on a grounded tower sound better, that is till it comes up a wind >storm or it ices up! LOL HD Radio needs about 50kHz bandwidth at the transmitter to work properly. It is very difficult with mistuned directional arrays to achieve such a large bandwidth. - Mario From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Sep 05 19:23:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67494 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 02:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 02:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 02:22:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:22:08 -0700 Received: from 172.158.92.76 by bay7-dav48.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 02:22:08 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20030904005620.19076.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> <000901c37348$1d034920$827dfea9@home1> <000701c373ff$9ebf55a0$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} speaking of WCRS Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:19:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2003 02:22:08.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC3C4350:01C3741D] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.158.92.76] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: >Please let me know if they plan to retire it. It is still on the air as the main transmitter. WGOG is like many small town stations on the edge of bigger markets......they are nearly broke. I doubt they will replace ANYTHING that even comes close to working. Kevin From dav259@csiro.au Fri Sep 05 19:49:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96845 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 02:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 02:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 02:49:15 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h862n2Ma012638 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 12:49:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 12:49:02 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (OT) Princeton Record Exchange In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > (Yes, I love music, and I don't really care what genre. If this > disqualifies me as a "purist", so be it, I don't really care. It's > just music to me- Enjoyable music. :) ) Spot on Amy! Just every so often I can't help wondering why I bother ... no comments please ... You just momentarily think 'is it worth it?'. I generally move the SRF-42 dial to 774 3LO as I arrive at work to hear the start of ABC Radio's national 30 min current affairs report. If I'm not interested in what 3LO is talking about when I leave work I move it down to Magic 693 - which I did yesterday. And I was surprised. Even if Magic is playing a mono track you can sort of still hear the stereo click into place. But it didn't happen. Then it dawned on me. I had ventured in the morning onto the FM band and was suitably unimpressed. Maybe I'd switched back to the middle position - AM mono. And so it was ... Magic was playing Whipped Cream by Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass. When I flicked it onto stereo I nearly fell off the bike. From something that sounded pleasant - it immediately felt dynamic and alive - the difference was fantastic - it was even more that stereo. Suddenly each trumpet was coming out of different channels but every instrument sounded clearer. It's an old technology that I'm not giving up on until something better arrives! Sound and music are an important part of our lives. We all like different forms of music and Amy is right - it doesn't matter what sort we like. We simply deserve to hear it the best way we can. IBOC John can enjoy the iBiquity disaster as much as he likes. I'll continue fighting for AM stereo! Ian Melbourne From stodd@vippn.com Fri Sep 05 20:37:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10821 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 03:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 03:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 03:37:53 -0000 Message-ID: <003401c37428$b4446180$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030904005620.19076.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> <000901c37348$1d034920$827dfea9@home1> <000701c373ff$9ebf55a0$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} speaking of WCRS Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:41:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yep, I also know the type of station. Figured if it was close to being retired I'd come out there and get it, but not for the price of a replacement transmitter. I'll be spending enough in gas just to get the fool thing! Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > It is still on the air as the main transmitter. WGOG is like many small town > stations on the edge of bigger markets......they are nearly broke. I doubt > they will replace ANYTHING that even comes close to working. From stodd@vippn.com Fri Sep 05 20:40:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85903 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 03:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 03:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 03:40:25 -0000 Message-ID: <003801c37429$14bfc860$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Just when the ball started rolling, it hit the fan Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:43:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Please let me know if it was WAAM. I've been calling them intermittantly for the last couple of years about getting their stereo equipment once they sold the station, though it has been some months since the last call. I doubt this new group is a shill for CCC as you theorize, Mario. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "amstereorules" > >I can't believe it - I just lost a regional AM stereo here last > >week, and got the standard reply after my inquiry: > > So was this WAAM from Ann Arbor? They were sold last week to an > interesting outfit that may be a shill group for CCC. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Sep 05 21:42:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3329 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 04:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 04:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 04:42:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2003 04:40:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 04:40:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Modulation Max? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008301c37350$0bb9a6c0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1237 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.118 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Not sure I can understand JSG's explanation (I take it you were describing > the Dorrough method, John?), but in normal AM modulation schemes it's a bit > like money- you can start with X amount and make more than 100% on the > upside, but if you lose 100% it's all gone with nothing left over. Don't know what the Durrough method is. This is something I noticed when playing with doubly balanced modulators like the MC1496. When modulated with a single test tone in like the 8-10KHz range to =B1100% modulation and passing it through a IF bandpass filter with a=20 BW of =B15KHz I noticed that the modulation was much less than =B1100%. If the sideband to carrier attenuation ratio was 12dB at this range for the IF filter then the resulting modulation at the detector would be =B125%. I had to crank the modulation level up to =B1400% on the=20 MC1496 to get =B1100% modulation at the detector basically running in=20 a partially suppressed carrier mode. So I think it would be possible to have some >-100% modulation created by the higher frequencies and still have the envelope detector not see anything greater than -100% modulation after bandpass filtering. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Sep 05 22:00:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39117 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 05:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 05:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 05:00:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2003 05:00:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 05:00:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Modulation Max? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1644 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.118 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > >=20 > > When a signal is transmitted to -100% modulation for the full > > 10.2KHz BW most receivers even the wider ones have an IF response > > that starts to drop off around 6KHz and at 10KHz could be down > > by 12dB reducing the level of the higher frequency sidebands. At > > the envelope detector this is seen as a less than 100% modulation. > > Even some negative modulation greater than -100% at the transmitter > > will not be seen by the envelope detector after filtering. As a > > result a transmitter could exceed -100% to maybe -150% by the > > higher frequencies and the detector wouldn't see modulation >-100% > > after RF & IF bandpass attenuation. >=20 > Are you saying that some AM stations actually do this intentionally? >=20 > John Don't have any proof of this just something I theorized. You would=20 need a double balanced modulator for this (A 4-Quadrant Multiplier) since the carrier phase flips 180=B0 when the modulation crosses the -100% mark. Don't really know how to interface with a commmercial transmitter. If most of them have an envelope and cryatal input you would need the envelope of the signal and something that would flip the phase of the cryatal oscillator 180=B0 when modulation exceeded -100%. You would also need some sort of Level Devil to control the modulation of the lower frequencies to make sure the envelope didn't exceed -100% after RF & IF filtering. Don't know what the FCC regulations are on this either and this is just presented as theory so check first before trying this but I don't think this would be allowed. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Sep 05 22:31:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14233 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 05:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 05:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 05:31:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2003 05:31:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 05:31:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Reduction in coverage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1907 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.118 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: Almost any modulation scheme can be defined in rectangular or polar coordinates AM, FM, & PM. QuAM can be thought as a rectangular cooridnate modulating scheme while the Magnavox, Kahn & Belar are a polar modulating scheme. In QuAM the X(I) & Y(Q) axis represent 2 double sideband AM waves. When summed togenter they produce both a composite envelope and a phase component. In a C-QuAM exciter the signal undergoes a rectangular to polar conversion where the output, the envelope(magnitude) and phase are sent to the transmitter. For spectrum analisys the polar coordinate based systems like the Magnavox, Kahn & Belar would have to be converted to rectangular coordinates so the envelopes of the equivalent AM waves can be obtained for the FFT process. > There is no such thing as quadrature AM. L-R is phase modulation > at the 90 degree and 270 degree quadrants. Explain to me how it gets > amplitude modulated, if it's connected in place of the oscillator > crystal? It is phase decoded at the receiver, that is why the local > oscillator is one of the most critical elements in this process. When talking about 90=B0 and 270=B0 Y-axis modulation only this is an AM wave. In C-QuAM this is L-R by itself. No phase modulation but a suppressed carrier double sideband AM wave. The phase modulation doesn't occur until the 0=B0 X-axis 1+L+R AM modulation is added. You need both X(I) & Y(Q) axis to define a phase term. The phase modulation component of C-QuAM is not just L-R but also 1+L+R based on the following trig function: Phase =3D ArcTan(L-R/1+L+R)=20 >=20 > >In addendum, I should have said that even quadrature AM has an=20 > >inherent PM component, even though it is phased AM, rather than a=20 > >true PM, and even use of FM or PM has a differential (not truly > >independent, usually) sideband component. From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Sep 05 22:49:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42458 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 05:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 05:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.95) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 05:49:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:48:54 -0700 Received: from 172.158.92.76 by bay7-dav38.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 05:48:53 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Please listen to the samples before backing HD Radio/IBOC Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 01:46:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2003 05:48:54.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E8F0A50:01C3743A] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.158.92.76] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > Ask Neal about AM stereo WTTM. :) Most of the time, WLAA in WinterGarden, FL wipes out WTTM with a full quieting signal, but I have heard WTTM a few times during critical hours before WTTM powers down. Neal has astounding audio and may very well be the best sounding commercial AM on the air today. Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Sep 05 23:04:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50260 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 06:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 06:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.98) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 06:04:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:04:14 -0700 Received: from 172.158.92.76 by bay7-dav41.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 06:04:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Classical and Electronica Music Was: Princeton Record Exchange Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 02:01:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2003 06:04:14.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[B32E4680:01C3743C] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.158.92.76] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > Actually, classical works better for FM than for AM. You should listen to some airchecks of WQXR in Kahn Stereo! I think you would change your mind. FM just sounds lifeless and dull compared to AM. Perhaps it is the processing, or is it the technology? I know the problem isn't my recievers, as they are some of the best FM tuners ever made, such as the Magnum Dynalab FT-101 that was built by one of the list members that now has his own tuner manufacturing company. Perhaps my ears were forever spoiled listening to tube tuners and high end tube audio gear all of my life. I wouldn't trade my Dynaco gear for all of the mass-market stereo gear that has ever been manufactured. > > There's alot of good stufdf out there most people have never hesard in this country, That is so true. Mass marketing and big entertainment companies have deprived the American public of much good music. Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 23:27:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59668 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 06:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 06:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 06:27:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2003 06:26:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 06:26:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Classical and Electronica Music Was: Princeton Record Exchange Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1639 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.215 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Amy Mousie wrote: > > Actually, classical works better for FM than for AM. > > You should listen to some airchecks of WQXR in Kahn Stereo! I think you > would change your mind. FM just sounds lifeless and dull compared to AM. I don't think I have ever heard any airchecks of WQXR. > Perhaps it is the processing, or is it the technology? I know the problem > isn't my recievers, as they are some of the best FM tuners ever made, such > as the Magnum Dynalab FT-101 that was built by one of the list members that > now has his own tuner manufacturing company. FM does have a completely different "feel" to it- It doesn't mean it's a bad medium; just different. The same is true with AM stereo- It's just a completely different experience to listen to AM stereo. Both, to me, are valid media, although I do prefer AM stereo. :) > Perhaps my ears were forever spoiled listening to tube tuners and high end > tube audio gear all of my life. I wouldn't trade my Dynaco gear for all of > the mass-market stereo gear that has ever been manufactured. Oh, how I would love to put together the RCA AM stereo receiver from 1959! It would have such an interesting feel to it, no doubt. :) > > There's alot of good stufdf out there most people have never hesard in > this country, > > That is so true. Mass marketing and big entertainment companies have > deprived the American public of much good music. And that's why I like worldwide internet radio and MP3 filesharing- I find stuff you would NEVER here on American radio. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Sep 05 23:54:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59676 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 06:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 06:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 06:54:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (d262-osel-phx.fastq.com [208.187.57.110]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h866s1D73737 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:54:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:53:07 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 845 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1062819481.5139.10899.m14@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla This also is exactly the case with KRLD I believe. When they have an old transmitter on its definitely nice stereo. When the maintenance is done and they go to the new unit. Mono as hell. Kevin On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 08:38 PM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 23:15:27 -0000 > From: "amstereorules" > Subject: Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? > > This is the deal regarding WSM, and commit this to memory: > WSM has LMA with Cumulus Broadcasting, and is still owned by Gaylord > Brodcasting. Gaylord sold all FM radio stations to Cumulus, their > amusement park, and Grand Ole Opry. Gaylord purchased new > transmitter a few years ago, and promptly stopped CQUAM stereo when > the new transmitter broyght online. Old exciter is still in the > rack connected to the old transmitter, like WSB's setup, and there > was one night when WSM was on the old transmitter with stereo. > They have absolutely no intention of running IBOC, and will not > have the CQUAM back. This is the absolute truth. From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Sep 06 04:55:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8353 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 11:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 11:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 11:55:38 -0000 Received: from storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.158]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 8F4C3105A9 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 04:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA21061; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 04:52:36 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR9yrP328bsWJ5lZX9J4zmYmPcX7AIUGLULtqKLGeYHloIZHVUC4OF8Rmg= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 06:52:36 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WDAF-AM Message-ID: <17970-3F59CA84-283@storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 6 Sep 2003 03:38:01 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Recent monitoring showed that the long time (((AM Stereo))) station WDAF 610 in Kansas City IS still there, still playing country music. I am just far enough away from KC at 200 miles that it is difficult to tell if they are still broadcasting in AM Stereo or not. I can only get them at night, daytime 610 is just full of static and electrical noise. Having KOMJ on 590 doesn't help any, also. May have to hook up the Chrysler AM/ST radio and drive towards the south towards K C. WDAF has dropped using the "61 Country" slogan. They seem completely focused on their WDAF-FM operations, as the recently started simulcasting on 106.5 FM. Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From oscar@globility.com Sat Sep 06 06:46:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77961 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 13:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 13:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 13:46:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2003 13:46:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 13:46:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Classical and Electronica Music Was: Princeton Record Exchange Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1039 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.247.55 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > Perhaps it is the processing, or is it the technology? I know the problem > isn't my recievers, as they are some of the best FM tuners ever made, such > as the Magnum Dynalab FT-101 that was built by one of the list members that > now has his own tuner manufacturing company. Don't know if I should thank you for the mention Kevin, but I'm afraid it is not accurate. My association with the company whose tuner you refer to was as VP- marketing and as a partner. I had some to do with it's industrial design and its actual coming to pass. However, the real designer of their stuff is a guy in Connecticut, and has been from the get go. I started my own mfg and design house because the opportunity presented itself after I left them in '92. Needless to say, if I got back into the business, it would have to be with something I considered to be superior. Our designer/partner lives about 10 miles from our shop. MS From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 06 08:50:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15570 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 15:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 15:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80504.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 15:50:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20030906154938.76075.qmail@web80504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 08:49:38 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} speaking of WCRS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Scott Todd wrote: > >Please let me know if they plan to retire it. > > It is still on the air as the main transmitter. WGOG > is like many small town > stations on the edge of bigger markets......they are > nearly broke. I doubt > they will replace ANYTHING that even comes close to > working. Kevin, WGOG and WSNW are now owned by Art Sutton's Georgia Carolinia radio group. The WSNW and WSMW ( was the AM part of WGOG) is silent pending the new 1150 tower. The 2 were simulcasting each other, but when they return, the 1000 might have separate programming. The AM transmitter ( a solid state one) sounded good with the Real Country format, but when simulcasting 1150 it was standards. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Sep 06 12:49:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67796 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 19:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 19:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 19:49:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2003 19:49:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:49:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Modulation Max? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3969 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.181 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > > When a signal is transmitted to -100% modulation for the full > > > 10.2KHz BW most receivers even the wider ones have an IF > > > response that starts to drop off around 6KHz and at 10KHz could > > > be down> by 12dB reducing the level of the higher frequency > > > sidebands. At the envelope detector this is seen as a less than > > > 100% modulation. Even some negative modulation greater than > > > -100% at the transmitter will not be seen by the envelope > > > detector after filtering. As a result a transmitter could exceed > > > -100% to maybe -150% by the higher frequencies and the detector > > > wouldn't see modulation >-100% after RF & IF bandpass > > > attenuation. > >=20 > > Are you saying that some AM stations actually do this intentionally? > >=20 > > John >=20 >=20 > Don't have any proof of this just something I theorized. You would=20 > need a double balanced modulator for this (A 4-Quadrant Multiplier) > since the carrier phase flips 180=B0 when the modulation crosses > the -100% mark. Don't really know how to interface with a > commmercial transmitter. If most of them have an envelope and > cryatal input you would need the envelope of the signal and > something that would flip the phase of the cryatal oscillator 180=B0 > when modulation exceeded -100%. You would also need some sort of > Level Devil to control the modulation of the lower frequencies to > make sure the envelope didn't exceed -100% after RF & IF filtering. > Don't know what the FCC regulations are on this either and this is > just presented as theory so check first before trying this but I > don't think this would be allowed. The reason I asked if any did this intentionally is because it can=20 happen unintentionally. Since the antenna base impedance is not the=20 same for the high frequency modulation sidebands as it is for the=20 carrier, with the "right" length transmission line to transform the=20 antenna impedance as seen by the transmitter, it is possible for the=20 transmitter to deliver more high frequency sideband power to the=20 antenna than is required for 100% modulation. The modulation measured=20 at the transmitter can appear to be 100%, yet the modulation radiated=20 by the antenna can be greater than 100%. Of course there can be other=20 undesirable effects that also result from this. I believe this effect=20 is more pronounced at higher modulating frequencies, which if you=20 could harness it, would complement the modulation reduction due to the=20 IF response rolloff. Of course the IF rolloff can be useful, helping=20 to reduce the high frequency distortion caused by an overly large peak=20 hold capacitor in the detector circuit of the receiver. On the crazy side, I have always figured that if you took an RCA=20 Ampliphase transmitter, and removed the audio clipper, and feedback=20 circuits, replacing them with piece wise linear network to linearize=20 the transmitter, then you could easily exceed 100% modulation in the=20 negative direction, or even set it up for DSB-SC operation, although=20 the finals might not like that much. It wouldn't sound good on a=20 radio using an envelope detector, but should work well with a=20 synchronous detector. I am curious how well the Harris digital transmitters would do if you=20 tried to exceed 100% negative modulation by appropriately distorting=20 the negative audio peaks, folding them over as it were, and flipping=20 the carrier phase at just the right time? In an analog sense it would=20 be a nightmare to exactly line up the amplitude modulation signal with=20 the point where the phase flips, and there could be bandwidth problems=20 in the transmitter, but if you could get inside and do this in the=20 digital domain it might work. Does anyone know if the Harris=20 transmitters can generate a DSB-SC signal, that would be the ultimate=20 proof of the pudding. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Sep 06 12:54:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70134 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 19:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 19:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 19:54:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2003 19:52:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:52:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RCA AM stereo radio Was: Classical and Electronica Music Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 470 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.181 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > Oh, how I would love to put together the RCA AM stereo receiver from > 1959! It would have such an interesting feel to it, no doubt. :) I am ready to build an "RCA AM stereo receiver", I have the design, and all the parts, as soon as I can acquire one of those Panasonic AM stereo generators like Kevin has, that includes the RCA AM stereo system, to test it once it is built. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Sep 06 12:57:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44854 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 19:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 19:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 19:56:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2003 19:56:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:56:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Classical and Electronica Music Was: Princeton Record Exchange Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1596 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.181 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: > > > Perhaps it is the processing, or is it the technology? I know the > > problem isn't my recievers, as they are some of the best FM tuners > > ever made, such as the Magnum Dynalab FT-101 that was built by one > > of the list members that now has his own tuner manufacturing > > company. > > > Don't know if I should thank you for the mention Kevin, but I'm > afraid it is not accurate. It sounded fairly accurate, after all he didn't say you designed it, and "built" is not a big stretch. > My association with the company whose tuner you refer to was as VP- > marketing and as a partner. I had some to do with it's industrial > design and its actual coming to pass. However, the real designer of > their stuff is a guy in Connecticut, and has been from the get go. I > started my own mfg and design house because the opportunity > presented itself after I left them in '92. Needless to say, if I > got back into the business, it would have to be with something I > considered to be superior. Our designer/partner lives about 10 miles > from our shop. Ahh, finally you fess up, I figured you were a marketing guy, it's always good to know were people are coming from. You are letting out a lot of interesting information recently, a couple of weeks ago you let slip a clue to the history of the "thin" whip. Without these mysteries to contemplate, the group will be a duller place. John From jim@burgan.net Sat Sep 06 13:17:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88256 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 20:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2003 20:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-2.iquest.net) (206.246.180.52) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 20:17:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 51110 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2003 20:16:52 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-2.iquest.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2003 20:16:52 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-148.iquest.net [209.43.58.148]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AMC00696; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:16:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005701c374b3$cf9df730$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} --> Classical Music and Strauss Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:16:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Our favorite, resident rodent, Amy. <:3 )~~8~ wrote: > Simply put, they couldn't SELL it, which is right-- Most classical > broadcasters barely make any money. There are a few that do, > amazingly, but they're few and far between. > > It must be a labor of love for a non-educational broadcaster to put > classical music on the air. I wish there were more, admittedly, when > I need to get my fix of Beethoven or the impressionists. Here's an interesting item, Amy: Bill Shirk, one of Indianapolis' most well-know radio personalities of the 70s recently sold his Indianapolis radio properties (3 class A FM's, and an AM), and a low-power TV station to Radio One. He netted about 45 million in the sale. He put those stations on the air with minimal capital and truned them into ratings successes, in spite of the fact that all 3 FM's were class A's and the AM was a daytimer). He took the proceeds from the sale and bought-out the applicants for a Class B (50 kw) station on 89.1 in Cloverdale Indiana (just west of Indianapolis). They finally got it on-the-air a year ago and the format is Classical 24/7 (there hasn't been a Classica station in Indianapolis for several years). They seem to have a fair amount of corporate underwriters, and they have the usual 'share-a-thons' to raise funds from listeners, but overall I am told they aren't getting anywhere near the suport they though they would when they shelled out all of big bucks buying out the other applicants. I understand they are financially strapped these days. As you said, it could be a 'labor of love' except Bill Shirk never did anything that didn't net him a tidy profit, so my guess is he thought it would generate big-bucks from the "artsy" people of Indianapolis. > And Richard Strauss was classical- Anyone ever bother to listen to > the entire "Also Sprach Zarathustra", beyond the famous intro? > Splendid work, and resembles nothing like the intro itself. I agree 100% with you there.... Chopin is my favorite composer, but Strauss is in my top 10 and Also Sprach Zarathustra is a great composition. Weren't other Strauss compositions used in Kubrick's movie in addition to Also Sprach Zarathustra? From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Sep 06 17:51:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24734 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 00:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 00:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 00:51:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 00:51:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 00:51:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: For those with a couple bucks... on ebay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 76 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3044338206&category=296 From dougharding@mindspring.com Sat Sep 06 17:55:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31946 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 00:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 00:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 00:55:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 00:55:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 00:55:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} --> Classical Music and Strauss Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005701c374b3$cf9df730$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2451 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.207.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding After losing our FM classical two years ago here in Miami this year we got a new classical AM station at 1360 that is commercial and doing a great job. They however refuse to broadcast in AM stereo. They are waiting for IBOC. They have a state of the art facility and they sound like an FM station on my Fanfare Tuner even though it is only mono. They are stereo all the way to the transmitter and are just waiting for the IBOC exciter. They do not over process their signal and have an incredible dynamic range. AM has never sounded so good but I wish it was c-quam stereo. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > Our favorite, resident rodent, Amy. <:3 )~~8~ wrote: > > Simply put, they couldn't SELL it, which is right-- Most classical > > broadcasters barely make any money. There are a few that do, > > amazingly, but they're few and far between. > > > > It must be a labor of love for a non-educational broadcaster to put > > classical music on the air. I wish there were more, admittedly, when > > I need to get my fix of Beethoven or the impressionists. > > Here's an interesting item, Amy: Bill Shirk, one of Indianapolis' most > well-know radio personalities of the 70s recently sold his Indianapolis > radio properties (3 class A FM's, and an AM), and a low-power TV station to > Radio One. > He netted about 45 million in the sale. He put those stations on the air > with minimal capital and truned them into ratings successes, in spite of the > fact that all 3 FM's were class A's and the AM was a daytimer). He took the > proceeds from the sale and bought-out the applicants for a Class B (50 kw) > station on 89.1 in Cloverdale Indiana (just west of Indianapolis). They > finally got it on-the-air a year ago and the format is Classical 24/7 (there > hasn't been a Classica station in Indianapolis for several years). They > seem to have a fair amount of corporate underwriters, and they have the > usual 'share-a-thons' to raise funds from listeners, but overall I am told > they aren't getting anywhere near the suport they though they would when > they shelled out all of big bucks buying out the other applicants. I > understand they are financially strapped these days. As you said, it could > be a 'labor of love' except Bill Shirk never did anything that didn't net > him a tidy profit, so my guess is he thought it would generate big-bucks > from the "artsy" people of Indianapolis. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 06 18:11:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25921 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 01:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 01:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 01:11:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 01:11:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 01:11:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RCA AM stereo radio Was: Classical and Electronica Music Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 999 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > > > Oh, how I would love to put together the RCA AM stereo receiver from > > 1959! It would have such an interesting feel to it, no doubt. :) > > I am ready to build an "RCA AM stereo receiver", I have the design, > and all the parts, as soon as I can acquire one of those Panasonic AM > stereo generators like Kevin has, that includes the RCA AM stereo > system, to test it once it is built. My understanding what Mr. Tekel has is that the generator will modulate C-QUAM, Kahn ISB, VCPM, and Magnavox's AM/PM, but not the RCA-Belar AM/FM system, although I can imagine how easy it might be to modify the AM/PM to AM/FM. Just keep in mind the radio was intended to demodulate different AMS signals. After all, it's completely unnecessary for it to have a quadrature detector if it just decoded RCA's AM/FM system. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 06 18:52:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58154 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 01:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 01:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 01:52:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 01:51:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 01:51:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: --> Classical Music and Strauss Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005701c374b3$cf9df730$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1052 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: =snip= I > understand they are financially strapped these days. As you said, it could > be a 'labor of love' except Bill Shirk never did anything that didn't net > him a tidy profit, so my guess is he thought it would generate big- bucks > from the "artsy" people of Indianapolis. It doesn't always work. The key problem is finding advertisers, and people only donate so much. :/ > > And Richard Strauss was classical- Anyone ever bother to listen to > > the entire "Also Sprach Zarathustra", beyond the famous intro? > > Splendid work, and resembles nothing like the intro itself. > > I agree 100% with you there.... Chopin is my favorite composer, but Strauss > is in my top 10 and Also Sprach Zarathustra is a great composition. > Weren't other Strauss compositions used in Kubrick's movie in addition to > Also Sprach Zarathustra? Right family, wrong Strauss! It was Richard's uncle, I believe, the senior Johann Strauss who wrote the Blue Danube. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Sep 06 18:56:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67195 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 01:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 01:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 01:56:34 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.143.18174f4c (16930) for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <143.18174f4c.2c8bea42@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:56:18 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now, if WSM has no intention of running IBOC, then it would be ILLOGICAL for WSM to keep the Stereo off, given their music-oriented format. The engineer at WSM should be replaced with a pro-AM Stereo engineer. I really think all supporters of IBOC should get out of the radio business, and stay out. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Sep 06 18:56:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58312 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 01:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 01:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 01:56:45 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.19d.19ecbe53 (16930) for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19d.19ecbe53.2c8bea45@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:56:21 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ground conductivity To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stone Mountain is actually five miles away from WSB's transmitter site. The readings you have are largely inaccurate. For instance, Chattanooga is 110 miles away from WSB's site, and puts a semi-local signal into Chattanooga. Outside of Chattanooga, you may run into ACI from 740 in Tullahoma, TN. Now, if northeast Georgia had such bad ground conductivity, then AM radio shouldn't have been allowed in the first place, unless the maximum daytime power was doubled to 100 kW. WSB may be on the line between the "1" and "2" zone. Too bad they won't move their transmitter to Cobb County! KMOX doesn't get out 300 miles; the station is higher up on the AM dial than WSB. There are adjacent-channel stations within 300 miles: WMBI Chicago, IL (roughly 250 miles) and WKDZ Cadiz (pronounced "Kay-duz"), KY (roughly 175 miles) on 1110, along with Murray, KY (190 miles) and a station in Iowa on 1130. KTRS 550 and KJSL 630 cover better with one-tenth the power. KJSL puts a local-like AM Stereo signal into Springfield, MO, while KTRS 550 can put a local-like signal into the Quad Cities (given the next nearest station to the Quad Cities on 550 is in Wausau, WI). Even the late Robert Hyland complained about KMOX's coverage into the Ozark foothills in south central Missouri: he was able to get 550 and 630, but not 1120. KMOX may have been able to cover 300 miles easily had they been on 540 instead of 1120. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Sep 06 20:13:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72730 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 03:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 03:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 03:13:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 03:12:58 -0000 Date: 7 Sep 2003 03:12:57 -0000 Message-ID: <1062904377.128757.18103.w35@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/klog-2.mp3 Uploaded by : bratina501 Description : KLOG 1490 Longview Washington You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/klog-2.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, bratina501 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Sep 06 20:27:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37082 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 03:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 03:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 03:27:10 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.79.1884830d (4246) for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <79.1884830d.2c8bff2e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:25:34 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WDAF-AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now, where will Kansas City be getting Smooth Jazz? The frequency won't be as confusing for FM DXers now, as my local on 106.5 (WSSM) is also Smooth Jazz. They should switch 610 to Smooth Jazz, not all-Sports. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Sat Sep 06 20:37:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24195 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 03:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 03:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 03:37:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 03:36:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 03:36:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo boombox at Kmart?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F58D1FF.1030109@lanl.gov> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 790 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" wrote: > Amy Mousie wrote: > > This can't be right- An RCA boombox with AM stereo for $45...at > > Kmart?? > > > > http://www.kmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1309637 > > > Of course it's not right. It's only $39.99 at Amazon.com! :-) > > > -- > Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O > Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) > My online logbooks are at > http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sony said their radio-only walkmans had AM stereo on their web site however they really do not. And RCA does not make any AM stereo recievers as well. I got one and they mentioned it in the manual that it only recieved FM stereo. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 06 20:41:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84786 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 03:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 03:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 03:41:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 03:38:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 03:38:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WDAF-AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <79.1884830d.2c8bff2e@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 550 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > Now, where will Kansas City be getting Smooth Jazz? The frequency won't be as > confusing for FM DXers now, as my local on 106.5 (WSSM) is also Smooth Jazz. > They should switch 610 to Smooth Jazz, not all-Sports. Smooth jazz plays well in AM stereo. I have some recordings of XEJAZZ that sound fantastic. :) (They were also XEBACH and currently XESURF; only as XESURF have they been mono. :/ ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Oh, yes- They're 540 AM, Tijuana, Baja California Norte, Mexico.) From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Sep 06 20:43:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10119 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 03:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 03:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 03:43:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 03:41:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 03:41:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RCA AM stereo radio Was: Classical and Electronica Music Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1788 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > > wrote: > > > > > > Oh, how I would love to put together the RCA AM stereo receiver > > > from 1959! It would have such an interesting feel to it, no > > >doubt. :) > > > > I am ready to build an "RCA AM stereo receiver", I have the > > design, and all the parts, as soon as I can acquire one of those > > Panasonic AM stereo generators like Kevin has, that includes the > > RCA AM stereo system, to test it once it is built. > > My understanding what Mr. Tekel has is that the generator will > modulate C-QUAM, Kahn ISB, VCPM, and Magnavox's AM/PM, but not the > RCA-Belar AM/FM system, although I can imagine how easy it might be > to modify the AM/PM to AM/FM. Yeah, I should have remembered that, I guess the mind is going. The Magnavox mode might be usable by adding an external audio processing box, if the Panasonic generator can produce enough radians of phase modulation to handle the low audio frequencies. > Just keep in mind the radio was intended to demodulate different AMS > signals. After all, it's completely unnecessary for it to have a > quadrature detector if it just decoded RCA's AM/FM system. You have commented before that the RCA AM stereo radio has a "quadrature detector", by which I assume you are referring to a circuit to demodulate quadrature AM sidebands. The RCA AM stereo radio had no such circuit, all it had was an envelope detector for the "L+R" signal, and an FM discriminator for the "L-R" signal. The only system the RCA AM stereo radio was designed to decode was the RCA AM stereo system. John From stodd@vippn.com Sat Sep 06 21:00:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 350 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 04:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 04:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 04:00:31 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c374f5$0e8c6f80$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} --> Classical Music and Strauss Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:03:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude For shame. With some good used equipment they could go CQUAM til IBOC is ironed out (or better yet, deep sixed.) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "douglasharding" > After losing our FM classical two years ago here in Miami this year we > got a new classical AM station at 1360 that is commercial and doing a > great job. They however refuse to broadcast in AM stereo. They are > waiting for IBOC. From stodd@vippn.com Sat Sep 06 21:03:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54199 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 04:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 04:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 04:03:28 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01c374f5$7066ca20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: --> Classical Music and Strauss Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:06:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude And it took Spike Jones to turn it into the beautiful Black and Blue Danube Waltz. :^D ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > Right family, wrong Strauss! It was Richard's uncle, I believe, the > senior Johann Strauss who wrote the Blue Danube. > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 06 21:16:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43206 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 04:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 04:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 04:16:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 04:15:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 04:15:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MP3 of 1490 KLOG Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1062904377.128757.18103.w35@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 658 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/klog-2.mp3 That's nice crisp sound for a SRF-42, but ouch! The recording level was set too "hot", so the MP3 is quite clipped and distorted. It's a high-quality 320 kbps file, though, so I'll use Cool Edit Pro to make the best of it, and then re-upload it to the FTP server. Anyway, it's always nice to hear the smaller local AM Stereo music stations like KLOG... and for an Oldies format, their playlist appears to have more variety than the same old 200 songs the FM Oldies stations play over and over again -- that second song in the clip is one I've never heard on the radio before! From bratina501@msn.com Sat Sep 06 21:22:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70636 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 04:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 04:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 04:22:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 04:22:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 04:22:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MP3 of 1490 KLOG Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1068 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/klog- 2.mp3 > > That's nice crisp sound for a SRF-42, but ouch! The recording level > was set too "hot", so the MP3 is quite clipped and distorted. It's a > high-quality 320 kbps file, though, so I'll use Cool Edit Pro to make > the best of it, and then re-upload it to the FTP server. > > Anyway, it's always nice to hear the smaller local AM Stereo music > stations like KLOG... and for an Oldies format, their playlist > appears to have more variety than the same old 200 songs the FM > Oldies stations play over and over again -- that second song in the > clip is one I've never heard on the radio before! --------------------------------------------------------------------- I am very sorry about setting the record level too high. It sounds crisp because I was less than half a mile from the tower site when I recorded it. In case you wanted to know their tower site is off of I- 5 between Kelso and Longview From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 06 21:30:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4307 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 04:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 04:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 04:30:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 04:30:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 04:30:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RCA AM stereo radio Was: Classical and Electronica Music Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1030 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yeah, I should have remembered that, I guess the mind is going. > The Magnavox mode might be usable by adding an external audio > processing box, if the Panasonic generator can produce enough > radians of phase modulation to handle the low audio frequencies. Using its built-in test tone generator, the Panasonic can generate up to 125% L+R or L-R modulation and up to 80% single-channel (L or R only) modulation. It also has a negative peak clipper which limits negative modulation to about -95% (per the Magnavox system spec), but that can be disabled. Using its external audio input, it has "Over" and "Under" warning lights which will flash if these modulation limits are exceeded, but it can produce clean audio with negligible distortion even with the "Over" light flashing constantly, so a modulation monitor would be helpful to determine what its true limits are. (I never see the "Under" light flash on mine, but that could just be because the LED is burned out, like several others on its front panel.) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Sep 06 21:34:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8476 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 04:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 04:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 04:34:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20030907043450.32817.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 21:34:50 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re:Re: Re: Just when the ball started rolling, it hit the fan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WFOB, not WAAM. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 06 21:42:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86037 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 04:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 04:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 04:42:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 04:37:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 04:37:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: --> Classical Music and Strauss Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c374f5$7066ca20$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 274 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > And it took Spike Jones to turn it into the beautiful Black and Blue Danube > Waltz. :^D Spike Jones is pure riot- I love his work. :) He did an excellent stereo demo record, too. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Sat Sep 06 21:51:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14811 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 04:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 04:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 04:51:53 -0000 Message-ID: <004401c374fc$3c6776a0$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: ICL8069 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:55:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I noticed the ICL8069 zener is NLA from Mouser. I need one for my Alfredo AMS transmitter. Anyone know a good substitute? Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 06 21:56:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59696 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 04:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 04:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 04:56:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 04:56:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 04:56:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFOB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030907043450.32817.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WFOB, not WAAM. Hmm... their web site was last updated August 4th, and yet it still proudly shows "AM Stereo 1430": http://www.wfob.com/home.html Radio-Locator (which also shows the "AM Stereo 1430" slogan) lists WFOB as being owned by "TCB Holdings, Inc. c/o Roppe Corporation" -- whatever that means! But if any of you'd like to drop WFOB a line and ask which alternate universe their AM Stereo signal has now been transported to, please do so via the e-mail links provided on this page: http://www.wfob.com/contacts.html From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Sep 06 22:36:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52513 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 05:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 05:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 05:36:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20030907053616.48058.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.251.206] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 22:36:16 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 22:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: --> Classical Music and Strauss To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001b01c374f5$7066ca20$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Did Stress or whoever he is listen to AM Stereo:-) Sorry I dont mind classical music but wouldnt it be better on a group that talks about it or do they talk about AM stereo.... Michael --- Scott Todd wrote: > And it took Spike Jones to turn it into the > beautiful Black and Blue Danube > Waltz. :^D > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Mousie" > > > > > Right family, wrong Strauss! It was Richard's > uncle, I believe, the > > senior Johann Strauss who wrote the Blue Danube. > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 00:16:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76478 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 07:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 07:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 07:16:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 07:16:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 07:16:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: A station that should be in AM Stereo... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's a beautiful little AM station, with classic RCA transmitters and a Blaw-Knox tower... too bad they're mono, even though they have a Nostalgia music format: http://mcnally.cc/wmid.htm With the help of a Terk "AM Advantage" loop antenna, I can often receive them clearly on my MCS-3050 tuner (during the daytime), some 85 miles away from WMID's transmitter... not bad for 890 watts of vacuum-tube power! More pix and info: http://hawkins.pair.com/atcitynj.shtml From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 00:25:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28353 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 07:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 07:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 07:25:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 07:25:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 07:25:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A station that should be in AM Stereo... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics BTW, here's a close-up of WMID's processing rack (also shared with a co-located FM station): http://hawkins.pair.com/atcitynj/atcity11.jpg Anyone eagle-eyed enough to identify what units their CRL processing chain consists of? From jim@burgan.net Sun Sep 07 00:28:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55382 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 07:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 07:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-1.iquest.net) (206.246.180.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 07:28:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 84641 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 07:29:10 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-1.iquest.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 07:29:10 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-223.iquest.net [209.43.58.223]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AMC81577; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 02:28:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003201c37511$ac6b68c0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: --> Classical Music and Strauss Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 02:28:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Jim Burgan (jimbo@qmix.com) wrote: > Weren't other Strauss compositions used in Kubrick's movie in > addition to Also Sprach Zarathustra? > >> To which Amy. <:3 )~~8~ replied: >> Right family, wrong Strauss! It was Richard's uncle, I believe, the >> senior Johann Strauss who wrote the Blue Danube. The knowledge of the users of AMstereoforum is matched only by the intelligence of the users on my 'other favorite" Usenet group, broadcast-airchex@broadcast.net . The contributors constantly provide info and answer requests without flames or newbe complaints and it is a tribute to the character of the members. Amy, you are a main cog in the wheel of information here and I really appreciate it. My favorite two groups (and activities) on the Internet is this Usenet group and Aircheck Thanks to all who contribute and keep things civil here! -Jim- From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 01:13:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88936 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 08:13:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 08:13:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 08:13:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 08:10:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 08:10:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: --> Classical Music and Strauss Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c37511$ac6b68c0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1042 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > Amy, you are a main cog in the wheel of information here and I really > appreciate it. Why, thank you. :) > Thanks to all who contribute and keep things civil here! Although I cannot say for some here, at least I can speak for myself: I prefer civility, and working out one's differences civilly. Some cannot handle things with maturity, and feel they must be the top, taking down anyone they see as a threat- You know who you are. :) Myself, I don't want to be at the top- I'm happy in my own corner of the world. If my corner is successful, fine. If not, I don't complain. Not like some others I do know, sadly. If we can discuss things reasonably, whether human or mouse, fantastic! Makes my stay here, as well as the near 220 others, that much more enjoyable. :) And yes, I have seen forums that are far less behaved than this one. Be very thankful even at its worst, this is a far more pleasant forum, and a great place to learn. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 01:21:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70042 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 08:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 08:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41008.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.7) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 08:21:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20030907082055.72197.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.43.50] by web41008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2003 01:20:55 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 01:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Reduction in coverage To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I don't understand much of the algebraic portion of how & why stereo works on A.M. & F.M., but from real world experience, when talking about stereo blending circuits to mono on the fringe areas, WHY would you still listen to it if it were in mono anyway? Most radios keep the 19kHz pilot as long as it can, and when it can't hear it, chances are you're not in an area where it would normally come in clearly. I'm 50 miles from WCRB/12.5-Waltham, Ma. and no matter if the signal is stereo or mono, it's a little staticky, so I'd rather hear it in stereo than delude myself that I can hear some a noiseless mono signal. Same with A.M.. Why would I go stereo even if it were true that coverage would get cut down? Because where the fringe areas are the people wouldn't listen anyway! That's why they're *FRINGE!* WHO THE HELL CARES ABOUT FRINGE AREAS?!?! You can't sell ads out there! Whaat does it matter?! Quit your A.M. coverage hard-on that an A.M. signal has to cover 85 miles in each direction or whatever ridiculous amount because the A.M. signal supposedly goes further than F.M.. Not in today's world it doesn't unless you're on someting like 590kC. that goes EVERYWHERE! I had a station tell me once that they wouldn't be stereo anymore because it would increase their coverage. Ha! They're not in the Providence Arbitron now, so what good did it do? They probably are expecting this on a 1/4-wave antenna. I am so damn enfuriated with the industry thinking that digital will be its salvation when they don't realize that crap is crap, no matter how it sounds. Yes, I am saying that most radio programming IS CRAP! THAT'S WHY YOU'RE LOSING LISTENERS! BORING MUSIC, MONOTONOUS D.J.s WITH NO PERSONALITY (BECAUSE THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT A D.J. TO TALK AT THEM, BUT RATHER TO THEM! In other words: might as well be a robot, because talking TO the public apparently means breaks consisting of "B101, Good Times & Great Oldies. Here come the Zombies." AD-FREAKING-NAUSEUM!) ENDLESS COMMERCIALS THAT INSULT THE INTELLEGENCE OF A 2-YEAR-OLD, AND MANAGEMENT THAT WANTS IT CHEAP & YESTERDAY! As for digital itself: have you ever seen digital video? Oh yeah, great tiling! You know, those damn little squares that don't match up with the rest of the picture, like tiles. I have held my tongue ever since I got blasted for calling Clear Channel, a company which I worked for then, and still do, "Queer Channel." I am sick of it. I am sick of bad programming (no, it's not limited to Clear Channel. Listen to WKQL/96.9-Jacksonville for a TRULY BAD oldies station), cheap-ass owners who think that suggesting spending money on their station is a firable offense, these Wall-Street bean-counters who jerk off to bottom lines while snorting a year's advertising budget up their noses, morons who think digital is some saving grace & should be implemented on our 10kC.-wide A.M. bandwith (idiot, for it to sound as good as A.M. Stereo analog currently does, you would HAVE to move it to the L-Band!). I love the pro-IBOC argument that very few Eureka-147 receivers have been sold in Canada. To them, I would say: "WHERE WAS F.M. FOR ITS FIRST 3 DECADES?!?! HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM???????????????????" If the current attitude in radio existed back then, the F.C.C. would've reallocated 88-108MHz to land mobile! We should thank stations like WOR-FM & KMPX for starting to move listeners to the F.M. band because it proved that the people aren't always complacent. From what I've heard, A.M. programming wasn't as bad as F.M.'s is now when F.M. took over. IT'S THE PROGRAMMING! THAT'S THE *WHY* YOUR LISTENERS LISTEN, REMEMBER???? You need the WHY! Why should I listen to 48 minutes of commercials an hour on the radio when I can pop in a C.D.?! Yes, that form of digital works because it doesn't have to go through 50 miles of air to get to your receiver! I have to give WOR credit for having the balls to try digital. If nothing else, it shows they still care about providing a better product to their listeners. Personally I have not heard IBOC, but nobody seems impressed with it yet, so if digital were to happen it needs its own band in order to flourish. Back to the WOR point: most A.M.s & a lot of F.M.s now don't care about audio. I don't think most people wouldn't be able to identify mono & stereo, but you should still try. Try to act like you care what you're putting out! I hate the argument "well, we're A.M., so we're not hi-fi. Just leave it alone." I've worked for that station, and that station went bankrupt! They tried all-brokered time stuff (including the super=happy-fun ½-hour on Saturdays 16:00-16:30 from the National Vangurd! That's right kids! Neo-Nazi shows! Yip-frickin'-ee!) because it was cheap. You know WHY it was cheap? BECAUSE NO ONE LISTENED TO IT! They were also feeding their XMTR. with a regular phone line and it had a 60-cycle hum! Great for station morale! I will finish by saying that I have convinced my G.M. @ the station where I am now P.D. to go stereo. He LOVES the idea. Unfortunately, the IMBECILE who wired the control room & production room wired them both in MONO! The Prod. Rm. is stereo now, but the company is cheap, so I doubt I'll be getting the funds for new balanced cable. However, we have a Nautel XMTR.. It was orignially @ the A.M. 900 in Nashua, which I think is now WSNH. I need to know if it has a stereo board. I haven't been out to the XMTR. site yet. I know the XMTR. is fed by a balanced phone line. Hopefully, the station will go stereo. 73, Jay, N1WVQ P.D. WPEP/1570-Taunton, Mass.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 01:37:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 255 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 08:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 08:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41007.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.6) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 08:37:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20030907083618.61211.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.43.50] by web41007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2003 01:36:18 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 01:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios, radios, radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I thought our Radio:Person ratio was 2:1 even. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 04:38:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74786 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 11:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 11:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80508.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 11:38:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20030907113831.22563.qmail@web80508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2003 04:38:31 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 04:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why doesn't WSM put the stereo back on? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <143.18174f4c.2c8bea42@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > Now, if WSM has no intention of running IBOC, then > it would be ILLOGICAL for > WSM to keep the Stereo off, given their > music-oriented format. The engineer at > WSM should be replaced with a pro-AM Stereo > engineer. I don't think the ENGINEER has a say in this. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 04:52:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62377 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 11:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 11:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80502.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 11:52:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20030907115201.62794.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2003 04:52:01 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 04:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ground conductivity To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <19d.19ecbe53.2c8bea45@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > Stone Mountain is actually five miles away from > WSB's transmitter site. You just made my point. The > readings you have are largely inaccurate. No they are not. As Possum Hunter said...field strenth readings don't lie. For > instance, Chattanooga is 110 > miles away from WSB's site, and puts a semi-local > signal into Chattanooga. Listenable on a very good radio, but not quite semi local, but I wasn't talking about that direction. The Stone Mountain granite lump has an effect over the entire area. I'd expect the only partly decent conductivity would be right up the river. But going EAST out I-20 the signal is horrid at 100 miles. In Columbia SC I can indeed hear WSB on the car radio. I can even listen to it, unless there is ANY amount of electrical noise. In my hometown of Newberry SC about 45 miles NW of Columbia, WSB comes in better. Same 200 miles, but somewhat out of the range of the effect of the mountain. The biggest show of the change in conductivity is to drive west on I-20. Past Augusta GA tune in 940, WMAC in Macon. It comes in fine until you get within 40 miles of Atlanta....now mind this, you are more or less paralleling Macon, and all of a sudden it's just GONE. > Outside > of Chattanooga, you may run into ACI from 740 in > Tullahoma, TN. Now, if > northeast Georgia had such bad ground conductivity, > then AM radio shouldn't have > been allowed in the first place, unless the maximum > daytime power was doubled to > 100 kW. WSB may be on the line between the "1" and > "2" zone. Too bad they > won't move their transmitter to Cobb County! > > KMOX doesn't get out 300 miles; the station is > higher up on the AM dial than > WSB. I can hear the 1080 from Dallas IN Wheeler TX some 355 miles with a cheap radio....like a local. About as good as KLIF on 570. I haven't been to that area ( Missouri) so I can't verify it. In NE Georgia, even in the beyond bad conductivity I can hear WBT but not listenable in the car. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 04:54:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72124 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 11:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 11:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80509.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 11:54:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20030907115341.26877.qmail@web80509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2003 04:53:41 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 04:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WDAF-AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <79.1884830d.2c8bff2e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > Now, where will Kansas City be getting Smooth Jazz? > The frequency won't be as > confusing for FM DXers now, as my local on 106.5 > (WSSM) is also Smooth Jazz. > They should switch 610 to Smooth Jazz, not > all-Sports. Just leave it country. If there is a format Smooth Jazz, is there one called Rough Jazz... ?? ?? Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 05:03:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4994 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 12:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 12:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80506.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.76) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 12:03:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20030907120348.59165.qmail@web80506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2003 05:03:48 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 05:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios, radios, radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030907083618.61211.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- JNR wrote: > I thought our Radio:Person ratio was 2:1 even. They didn't count me. It would ruin the count. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Sep 07 08:50:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41464 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 15:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 15:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 15:50:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 15:49:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 15:49:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A station that should be in AM Stereo... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 611 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.10.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Here's a beautiful little AM station, with classic RCA transmitters > and a Blaw-Knox tower... too bad they're mono, even though they have > a Nostalgia music format: > > http://mcnally.cc/wmid.htm > > With the help of a Terk "AM Advantage" loop antenna, I can often > receive them clearly on my MCS-3050 tuner (during the daytime), > some 85 miles away from WMID's transmitter... not bad for 890 watts > of vacuum-tube power! > > More pix and info: > > http://hawkins.pair.com/atcitynj.shtml Can we have an MP3 sample ?! From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Sep 07 10:04:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71670 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 17:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 17:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 17:04:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 17:04:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 17:04:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RCA AM stereo radio Was: Classical and Electronica Music Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1690 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Yeah, I should have remembered that, I guess the mind is going. > > The Magnavox mode might be usable by adding an external audio > > processing box, if the Panasonic generator can produce enough > > radians of phase modulation to handle the low audio frequencies. > > Using its built-in test tone generator, the Panasonic can generate > up to 125% L+R or L-R modulation and up to 80% single-channel (L or > R only) modulation. The potential problem is that 100% "L-R" modulation in the Magnavox system was +/- 1 radian, and who knows what the Panasonic generator might do, probably not a whole lot more. The transmitter for the RCA AM stereo system used a phase modulator with a capability of +/- 9 radians, which was only marginally adequate for the FM deviation RCA used in the original system. I suspect that RCA borrowed the design and parts for the phase modulator from their 1950's Television Aural transmitters, and took what they could get in the AM stereo application, it was close enough. Somehow +/- 9 radians seems like it might be beyond the capabilities of the Panasonic AM stereo generator though. > It also has a negative peak clipper which limits > negative modulation to about -95% (per the Magnavox system spec), > but that can be disabled. The RCA AM stereo system also uses a similar negative envelope limiter, so that is a good feature to have. The Magnavox and RCA systems are really pretty much the same thing, except with different "L-R" audio shaping which requires the RCA transmitter to handle much larger phase deviations at low audio frequencies. John From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 10:06:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5144 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 17:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 17:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 17:06:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 17:04:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 17:04:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios, radios, radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030907120348.59165.qmail@web80506.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 735 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- JNR wrote: > > I thought our Radio:Person ratio was 2:1 even. > > > > They didn't count me. It would ruin the count. I still say it's more like 3:1, and it's often best to count per household. A typical household often has at least 5 radios, often double that-- Two cars, two bedsides, and one emergency radio. This doesn't count stereos (some of which replace bedside radios) or boomboxes or pocket-sized radios. (Alot of kids have their own stereos or boomboxes in addition to the family stereo.) Then there are us. The ones who have far more radios than most would care to think about. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 11:04:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1487 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 18:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 18:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80501.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 18:04:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20030907180326.5036.qmail@web80501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2003 11:03:26 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios, radios, radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > Then there are us. The ones who have far more radios > than most would > care to think about. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Our CE at WKDK who is 82, today asked me how my 4200 radios are. I won't admit how close he is.... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Sep 07 12:22:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79389 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 19:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 19:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.96) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 19:22:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:20:03 -0700 Received: from 172.135.219.61 by bay7-dav39.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 07 Sep 2003 19:20:03 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A station that should be in AM Stereo... Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:17:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2003 19:20:03.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[09E43500:01C37575] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.135.219.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: > Anyone eagle-eyed enough to identify what units their CRL processing chain consists of? It is the Automatic Gain Controller Driving a Spectral Energy Compesssor driving a Peak Modulation Controller driving a NRSC Filter. Kevin From oscar@globility.com Sun Sep 07 13:49:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48418 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 20:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 20:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 20:49:28 -0000 Received: from MTS_001 (perdition.echo-on.net [205.189.151.14]) by smtp1.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A29F1550C for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200309071648420795.002928CD@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: <20030907083618.61211.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030907083618.61211.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 16:48:42 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios, radios, radios Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy On 9/7/2003 at 1:36 AM JNR wrote: >I thought our Radio:Person ratio was 2:1 even. > According to the World Radio/Handbook, the ratio is 1.8 per person. this i= s based on a guesstimate of about 510M radios owned by a population of 280M= . However, it would be much more meaningful if the survey could be done "per = household". MS From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 16:29:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32650 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 23:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2003 23:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 23:29:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2003 23:28:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 23:28:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FYI: Upcoming DX test Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 864 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Saturday, October 4, 2003 - WJTO on 730 kHz in Bath, ME will conduct an equipment test from 12:00 midnight - 1:00 AM EDT, consisting of Morse Code IDs and Nostalgia music. The test will run at a power of 1000 watts, non-directional. This test is automated and run from station owner Bob Bittner's home. Reception reports may be sent to: Bob Bittner WJTO 730 AM P.O. Box 747 Rowley, MA 01969 U.S.A. 730 WJTO is not an AM Stereo station, but Mr. Bittner also owns and operates 740 WJIB, an AM Stereo Nostalgia/Beautiful Music station in the Boston area. In the Northeastern USA, nighttime reception of 730 kHz is normally dominated by CKAC, a 50,000-watt station in Montreal, Quebec. However, otherwise the frequency is fairly clear at night, and WJTO is right on the Atlantic coast, so skywave reception up and down the East Coast should be good. From oscar@globility.com Sun Sep 07 17:55:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41968 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 00:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 00:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 00:55:22 -0000 Received: from MTS_001 (perdition.echo-on.net [205.189.151.14]) by smtp1.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08EE71558F for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200309072054470029.00900D90@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: <20030907053616.48058.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030907053616.48058.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 20:54:47 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: --> Classical Music and Strauss Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy The correlation of classical and AM-stereo came about when Doug related his= concern over a Miami AM station that is classical and won't consider AM-st= ereo. As for Strauss, a little culture never hurts any conversation. Perhap= s if you relate it to the movie "2001: A Space Odyssey" it may take on more= meaning. Spike Jones took everything to another dimension.=20 MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/6/2003 at 10:36 PM Michael and Ross wrote: >Did Stress or whoever he is listen to AM Stereo:-) >Sorry I dont mind classical music but wouldnt it be >better on a group that talks about it or do they talk >about AM stereo.... >Michael >--- Scott Todd wrote: >> And it took Spike Jones to turn it into the >> beautiful Black and Blue Danube >> Waltz. :^D >>=20 >> ST >>=20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amy Mousie" >>=20 >> > >> > Right family, wrong Strauss! It was Richard's >> uncle, I believe, the >> > senior Johann Strauss who wrote the Blue Danube. >> > >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From stodd@vippn.com Sun Sep 07 19:07:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17635 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 02:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 02:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 02:07:35 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c375ae$73996d60$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030907082055.72197.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Reduction in coverage Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 21:10:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Chill out, bro. I had the same problem at two of my three stations in the MSP area. I took a little at a time but I gradually added the extra wiring. Start between the console out and the processor, then split the channels of your main music sources first. Then your secondary sources, such as cassette decks, can be done later. If I ever get my mitts on a SG and monitor, I'll be making the conversion to at least one of my stations. I'll also need card #10 for my Optipump. The third station was wired stereo already, except for a small part between the studio and STL, and even that's been upgraded, though upgrading the cards for my T-1 STL would be expensive and not as easily done on the sly. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > I will finish by saying that I have convinced my > G.M. @ the station where I am now P.D. to go > stereo. He LOVES the idea. Unfortunately, the > IMBECILE who wired the control room & production > room wired them both in MONO! From stodd@vippn.com Sun Sep 07 19:28:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18030 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 02:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 02:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 02:28:30 -0000 Message-ID: <003b01c375b1$60512e20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} A station that should be in AM Stereo... Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 21:31:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Looks like their main control has the same type of LPB board they have/(had?) at KCNZ in Cedar Falls IA when I did their stereo conversion. It would be easy enough to make most of that studio stereo. The cart machines might be a problem unless they're already stereo units. As for those transmitters, those things have SOUL! ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Here's a beautiful little AM station, with classic RCA transmitters > and a Blaw-Knox tower... too bad they're mono, even though they have > a Nostalgia music format: From stodd@vippn.com Sun Sep 07 19:38:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6646 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 02:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 02:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 02:37:59 -0000 Message-ID: <004a01c375b2$b36253e0$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: parts availability Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 21:41:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those wanting to build their own Alfredo or Alfredo-lite transmitters, I discovered several more parts have been discontinued. All the part numbers for the small ceramic caps from 56-680pF have been discontinued at both Mouser and Digikey. Haven't had time to look up any possible substitutes. Newark still has theirs, but I noticed those are 1kV rated (the others were 50 or 100V and would be much smaller) and more expensive. I have a feeling we'll need to make an updated list periodically. These parts apply whether you're making the full version or the lite. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Sep 07 19:57:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 878 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 02:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 02:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 02:57:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2003 02:56:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 02:56:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Undeliverable Mail Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.98 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I received a email with the subject: old pop-elec mod about David Hershberger's mod to the 13020 chip. I replied but it came back undeliverable as an invalid mailbox. I don't know if he is a member of the group or came across my page from another source. So if the one who emailed me reads this group I wrote out a good reply but can't reply until I have a valid email address. JSG From dav259@csiro.au Sun Sep 07 23:00:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97590 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 06:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 06:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 06:00:00 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h885xiMM000813 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:59:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:59:44 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: CD Sound Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 From (ex 2SM) Ian MacRae's The Radio Wave ------------------------------------------------------------ TIME TO PULL OUT THE DIGIT-AL ------------------------------------------------------------ A survey by The Consumer Electronics Association in the U.S. shows that consumers are good and ready for satellite and digital radio. It shows that 94% listen to the radio in their cars, and 67% of those believe the sound quality of their radios is not as good as that of CDs. Obviously young listeners are more likely to be interested in digital or satellite radio. 49% of listeners are interested in radio with CD quality sound, and women (51%) are more interested than men (46%) in satellite radio. The study also claims a lot of interest in radios that display information, such as weather reports (62%), traffic updates (51%), and song title and artist (50%). I saw an interesting comment by a radio engineer this week. Being a little cynical about digital radio he said: Dont forget...our ears are analogue! ------------------------------------------------------------ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 23:28:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6027 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 06:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 06:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 06:28:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2003 06:28:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 06:28:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 623 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.113 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > From (ex 2SM) Ian MacRae's The Radio Wave > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > TIME TO PULL OUT THE DIGIT-AL > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > A survey by The Consumer Electronics Association in the U.S. > shows that consumers are good and ready for satellite and digital > radio. I don't buy into ANYTHING the CEA have to say-- These are the same clowns who are responsible for why radio, both AM and FM, sound so bad nowadays. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Give me REAL radio, please!) From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 00:27:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85311 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 07:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 07:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41211.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 07:27:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20030908072738.48965.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.251.206] by web41211.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 00:27:38 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD Sound To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Well its because a lot of workplaces have crappy radios too that are on to maximise efficiency with loudness -doesnt matter if its stereo or not. Michael --- Ian Davidson wrote: > > From (ex 2SM) Ian MacRae's The Radio Wave > It shows that 94% listen to the radio in their cars, > and 67% > of those believe the sound quality of their radios > is not as > good as that of CDs. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 00:53:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47198 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 07:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 07:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41006.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 07:53:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20030908075207.73186.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.33.152] by web41006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 00:52:07 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios, radios, radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200309071648420795.002928CD@mail.globility.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Marv, did you use the 2003 WRTH? Here's what mine says: 2003 WRTH (p. 374): U.S. Pop: 286,067,000 Radios: 575,000,000. 286,067,000 x2 = 572,134,000. Ratio: 2.01 radios per person. Number of broadcast radios I own: at least 23. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Mon Sep 08 06:01:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42996 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 13:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 13:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 13:01:00 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c37609$bba8f020$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:03:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Amen to that! If folks were so concerned about CD quality sound, why are so many cheap junk radios and boomboxes sold? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > A survey by The Consumer Electronics Association in the U.S. > > shows that consumers are good and ready for satellite and digital > > radio. > > I don't buy into ANYTHING the CEA have to say-- These are the same > clowns who are responsible for why radio, both AM and FM, sound so > bad nowadays. From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Sep 08 07:40:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4427 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 14:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 14:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 14:40:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2003 14:39:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:39:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 505 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.115 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > I saw an interesting comment by a radio engineer this week. > Being a little cynical about digital radio he said: Dont > forget...our ears are analogue! It was my understanding that our ears are actually very much digital, and work in a fashion very similar to the lossy bit rate compression schemes. If you want an explanation of this check the Google archives of the usenet audio groups from about 10 years ago. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Sep 08 07:44:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45648 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 14:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 14:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 14:44:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2003 14:44:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:44:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 459 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.115 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > I don't buy into ANYTHING the CEA have to say-- These are the same > clowns who are responsible for why radio, both AM and FM, sound so > bad nowadays. The NAB and its members had nothing to do with it? Could you explain how the CEA was able to influence the station owners to such an extent that they could be considered responsible for the sound of radio today? John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 08:46:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31125 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 15:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 15:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 15:46:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2003 15:43:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:42:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1767 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Comparing anything to "CD-quality sound" is pretty much meaningless. There are a lot of great-sounding CDs out there -- but there are also thousands of CDs (especially in recent years) that sound downright HORRIBLE. For example, has anybody listened to the 1999 Red Hot Chili Peppers CD "Californication"? It's so highly compressed that they had to sign a waiver to get it produced even though it failed the record company's quality control test. The result is that it plays over 12 dB louder than comparable rock CDs from the 1980s, but the sound is so distorted and so lacking in dynamic range that it's nearly unlistenable. But on the other hand, if you want a GOOD-sounding CD, try the original release of ABBA's "The Visitors" album. It was one of the first "DDD" CDs -- recorded and mixed digitally in 1981, and first released on CD in 1983. But the irony is that it's been subsequently "Digitally Remastered" -- even though it was a digital recording to begin with! So, in reality, that is just an euphemism for "compressed and equalized to sound more like today's CDs". BTW, the real rule is: The bigger and more prominent the "Compact Disc Digital Audio" logo is on the CD's cover, the better it sounds! However, I must say that I still prefer LPs -- if only for the packaging! LP covers are often artwork in their own right, and you get all the liner notes you need on the back. In comparison, whoever designed the standard CD case, with its perpetually scratching and cracking plastic and the little booklet that either falls out or takes surgical tools to remove and the packaging that you can never quite remove without leaving adhesive goo behind, should be forced to spend a lifetime repairing broken cassette tapes! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 08:54:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25806 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 15:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 15:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 15:54:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2003 15:53:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:53:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: TI's IBOC chip Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1458 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics $30 for just the IBOC decoder chip? Don't expect to see $29.99 IBOC Walkmans any time soon.... TI Readies 2nd Generation IBOC Chip; Analog, Digital Processing on Single Chip from www.radioworld.com Texas Instruments has its second-generation IBOC chipset ready for receiver manufacturers. TI and Ibiquity say this is the first chip that has the analog and digital processing incorporated into a single chip. For use in automotive radios, the DRI250 baseband integrates IBOC and intermediate frequency-sampled AM/FM, as well as audio processing and MP3 and Windows Media Audio CD support on the baseband. TI's John Gardner says combining all of these capabilities in software on one chip saves manufacturing costs. For example, the sample cost per unit for the DRI200 introduced last year at this time was $50, while the sample price for the DRI250 is $30. A new companion analog front end complements the DRI250 baseband. TI's new mixed-signal DRI8201 chip provides the IF analog-to-digital converter, digital down converter and control digital-to-analog converter. The DRI8201 uses an 80-MHz, 12-bit ADC to digitize the AM/FM IF signal from the radio tuner. Samples of both chips are available in Q4 for use in 2004 HD Radios. Gardner said the software-programmable chips will allow for additional features to be incorporated in the future such as surround sound for FM and time buffering for the ability to rewind live radio. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 10:19:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90288 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 17:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 17:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 17:19:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2003 17:17:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:17:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1435 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.113 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > > > I don't buy into ANYTHING the CEA have to say-- These are the same > > clowns who are responsible for why radio, both AM and FM, sound so > > bad nowadays. > > The NAB and its members had nothing to do with it? Could you explain > how the CEA was able to influence the station owners to such an extent > that they could be considered responsible for the sound of radio > today? Oh, they do; that just wasn't what I was referring to. The CEA is responsible for dictating what the receiver manufacturing industry would do, and considering the plethora of bad radios over the course of the last 40 years, and the reason for AM's bad image- or rather, bad sound. The NAB, which is really just the -broadcasting- end of this industry, follows suit, and states plainly that we, the listeners, don't need quality audio because the radios we buy don't have quality audio, using the excuse that AM is low-fidelity, and FM, in recent years, has been following suit. No thanks to transistor radios, we have seen proof that consumers will buy cheap radios over quality, which has given both sides of this industry reasons not to offer quality on either side of the equation. If you want to understand the "failure" of AM stereo, look no further. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oscar@globility.com Mon Sep 08 10:21:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78206 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 17:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 17:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 17:21:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2003 17:18:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:18:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 517 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > A survey by The Consumer Electronics Association in the U.S. > > shows that consumers are good and ready for satellite and digital > > radio. > > I don't buy into ANYTHING the CEA have to say-- These are the same > clowns who are responsible for why radio, both AM and FM, sound so > bad nowadays. > Could it be that, the CEA having welcomed to top executives from iBiquity to join their panel, might have something to do with it. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 10:24:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44337 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 17:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 17:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 17:24:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2003 17:23:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:23:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 675 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.113 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > > > A survey by The Consumer Electronics Association in the U.S. > > > shows that consumers are good and ready for satellite and digital > > > radio. > > > > I don't buy into ANYTHING the CEA have to say-- These are the same > > clowns who are responsible for why radio, both AM and FM, sound so > > bad nowadays. > > > > Could it be that, the CEA having welcomed to top executives from > iBiquity to join their panel, might have something to do with it. I wouldn't be surprised -at all-, really. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From oscar@globility.com Mon Sep 08 11:19:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43531 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 18:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 18:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.140) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 18:19:28 -0000 Received: from MTS_001 (perdition.echo-on.net [205.189.151.14]) by smtp3.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FED554A for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200309081418080013.008A5861@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: <20030908075207.73186.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030908075207.73186.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:18:08 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radios, radios, radios Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy My version is 2002, which I shold have indicated at the get go. The 2002 figures are 285,000,000 peeps owning 520,000,000 radios, or 1.8 per capita. What this does indicate is that not only is the population rising, so are the number of radios per capita. I don't doubt the increase is new vehicles, or Lennox portables bought from Family Dollar ;-)) . Actually, that's not a particularly strange assumption. The Lennox Sports radio and the cassette player packaging has, printed as part of the label, not a sticker, the "Family Dollar" pricing. MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/8/2003 at 12:52 AM JNR wrote: >Marv, did you use the 2003 WRTH? Here's what >mine says: > >2003 WRTH (p. 374): > >U.S. Pop: 286,067,000 >Radios: 575,000,000. > >286,067,000 x2 = 572,134,000. > >Ratio: 2.01 radios per person. > >Number of broadcast radios I own: at least 23. > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Sep 08 12:09:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37045 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 19:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 19:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 19:09:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2003 19:08:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 19:08:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2377 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson > wrote: > > > > I saw an interesting comment by a radio engineer this week. > > Being a little cynical about digital radio he said: Dont > > forget...our ears are analogue! > > It was my understanding that our ears are actually very much digital, > and work in a fashion very similar to the lossy bit rate compression > schemes. If you want an explanation of this check the Google archives > of the usenet audio groups from about 10 years ago. > > > John There ia an element of truth to that in the sense that the ear (or mind) does not hear a very weak sound a few hertz away from a much lowder sound. In the cochlea there are tiny hairs that resonate at the various frequencies and in a sense sort of digital and the intensity could be seen as so many firings per ms but this is at such a fine grain level that the response to intensity is much greater than a 32 bit resolution. The ear may have a kind of digital aspect to it but the way the brain processes it and how we perceive it is more of an analog experience. You could also say that a single bipolar transistor used for linear amplification is digital in the sense that every electorn that flows from emitter to collector can be seen as a bit and so many electrons (bits) per ms represints the numerical value of a digital word. 1 bit = 1 electron = 1 nerve firing. This is extremely fine grain resolution and couldn't tell you what resolution this is but it is definitely much greater than a 16-bit word. The problem with some of these lossy codecs is that they throw away too much and the brain can tell that something is missing but you concously can put a finger on it. Even for a good mp3 encoded with lame in the highest quality mode the midrange sounds a bit hollow where the original wave file has a warmer fuller midrange. you will notice that much of the low level background reverberation in the original wave file is missing. All of these lossy compression schemes throw away what it thinks the ear won't miss based on a pyscoacoustic map. The problem is no one has come up with a map that perfectly matches the human ear so digital and compressed audio will always be an approximation to the analog preception that our minds analyze it at. JSG From e92fmjamz@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 13:50:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: e92fmjamz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40063 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 20:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 20:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14002.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 20:50:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20030908205029.59705.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.163.24.102] by web14002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 13:50:29 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ernest Jones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24963319 X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz after reading that, the average listener would say huh? I use mp3 exclusively and for the most part, I haven't noticed *any* change in the dynamic range of the track, if you record a file off the radio, in FM stereo, a normal mp3 codec will chop off the 19khz pilot if its loud enough...the stereo pilot is annoying to hear during loud music --- jsgilst wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson > > > wrote: > > > > > > I saw an interesting comment by a radio engineer > this week. > > > Being a little cynical about digital radio he > said: Dont > > > forget...our ears are analogue! > > > > It was my understanding that our ears are actually > very much > digital, > > and work in a fashion very similar to the lossy > bit rate compression > > schemes. If you want an explanation of this check > the Google > archives > > of the usenet audio groups from about 10 years > ago. > > > > > > John > > There ia an element of truth to that in the sense > that the ear > (or mind) does not hear a very weak sound a few > hertz away from > a much lowder sound. In the cochlea there are tiny > hairs that > resonate at the various frequencies and in a sense > sort of digital > and the intensity could be seen as so many firings > per ms but > this is at such a fine grain level that the response > to intensity > is much greater than a 32 bit resolution. The ear > may have a > kind of digital aspect to it but the way the brain > processes it > and how we perceive it is more of an analog > experience. You could > also say that a single bipolar transistor used for > linear > amplification is digital in the sense that every > electorn that > flows from emitter to collector can be seen as a bit > and so many > electrons (bits) per ms represints the numerical > value of a > digital word. 1 bit = 1 electron = 1 nerve firing. > This is extremely > fine grain resolution and couldn't tell you what > resolution this is > but it is definitely much greater than a 16-bit > word. > > The problem with some of these lossy codecs is that > they throw away > too much and the brain can tell that something is > missing but you > concously can put a finger on it. Even for a good > mp3 encoded with > lame in the highest quality mode the midrange sounds > a bit hollow > where the original wave file has a warmer fuller > midrange. you will > notice that much of the low level background > reverberation in the > original wave file is missing. > > All of these lossy compression schemes throw away > what it thinks the > ear won't miss based on a pyscoacoustic map. The > problem is no one > has come up with a map that perfectly matches the > human ear so digital > and compressed audio will always be an approximation > to the analog > preception that our minds analyze it at. > > JSG > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Sep 08 14:30:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11719 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 21:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 21:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 21:30:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2003 21:29:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:29:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030908205029.59705.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 518 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ernest Jones wrote: > after reading that, the average listener would say > huh? I use mp3 exclusively and for the most part, I > haven't noticed *any* change in the dynamic range of > the track, if you record a file off the radio, in FM > stereo, a normal mp3 codec will chop off the 19khz > pilot if its loud enough...the stereo pilot is > annoying to hear during loud music Wouldn't the "stereo pilot" be even more annoying to hear during soft music? John From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Sep 08 15:18:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69585 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 22:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 22:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 22:18:19 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.217]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:17:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c37656$d8964e60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <004a01c375b2$b36253e0$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} parts availability Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:50:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 All the parts are still available- They just all have different suppliers now, and diffewrent part numbers. I just ordered all the caps for the coming batch, and there were no backorders. The only part that is hard to get now is the UA733 / NE562 IC in the RF stage. I have plenty to build my units, as I bought a load of them when I saw they were becoming un-obtanium. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 10:41 PM Subject: {AMSF} parts availability > For those wanting to build their own Alfredo or Alfredo-lite transmitters, I discovered several more parts have been discontinued. All the part numbers for the small ceramic caps from 56-680pF have been discontinued From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Sep 08 15:25:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10851 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 22:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 22:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 22:25:45 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.217]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:17:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c37656$da1ffba0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <004401c374fc$3c6776a0$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} ICL8069 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:51:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Just put two 1N914 common diodes in series for this part. It works fine. This info was supplied by Alfredo in his original page. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 12:55 AM Subject: {AMSF} ICL8069 > I noticed the ICL8069 zener is NLA from Mouser. I need one for my Alfredo AMS transmitter. Anyone know a good substitute? > > Scott Todd From Lance@Ballance.com Mon Sep 08 15:41:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@ballance.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55168 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 22:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 22:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c000.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 22:41:29 -0000 Received: (cpmta 17687 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 15:33:54 -0700 Received: from 207.88.79.82 (HELO lballance) by smtp.ballance.com (209.228.32.71) with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 15:33:54 -0700 X-Sent: 8 Sep 2003 22:33:54 GMT To: Subject: Technics SA-222 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:33:57 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal From: "Lance Ballance" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25189495 X-Yahoo-Profile: darynsdad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone tell me if the Technics SA-222 is a true AM Stereo receiver? I once had one that may have been converted for AM Stereo, and have acquired another one. If they are not AMS from the factory, is there any way to easily convert it? On my previous rig, the AM Stereo sounded GREAT! Thanks! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Sep 08 15:47:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32194 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 22:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 22:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 22:47:46 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.211.248.77]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030908224744.LHBJ1849.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:47:44 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c3765b$37ed83c0$af78fea9@juan> To: Subject: Delco C-Quam Radio Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:47:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am selling my Delco C-Quam AM Stereo car radio on e-bay from the Buick that got wrecked. This is a cherry radio for anybody who is looking for a really good Delco rig. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2431864816&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:MT:1 Juan Fort Pierce, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Mon Sep 08 16:32:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62005 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 23:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 23:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 23:32:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2003 23:30:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 23:30:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RAZ car stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 397 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 I noticed something odd about the RAZ car stereo. The ones that are in the 2002 Chrystler Town and Country minivans are not AM stereo capable despite the fact that they are listed in the owners manual as AM stereo/FM stereo with RDS on FM. I tuned in all of the AM stereo stations in my aeria on the RAZ radio and the ST indicator showed up on none of them. Has this happened to anyone else? From bratina501@msn.com Mon Sep 08 16:37:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66078 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 23:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 23:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 23:37:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2003 23:35:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 23:35:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RAZ car stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 397 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 I noticed something odd about the RAZ car stereo. The ones that are in the 2002 Chrystler Town and Country minivans are not AM stereo capable despite the fact that they are listed in the owners manual as AM stereo/FM stereo with RDS on FM. I tuned in all of the AM stereo stations in my aeria on the RAZ radio and the ST indicator showed up on none of them. Has this happened to anyone else? From dav259@csiro.au Mon Sep 08 16:40:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24901 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2003 23:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2003 23:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 23:40:26 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h88NaCjF018773; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:36:12 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:36:12 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: Subject: Stop the FCC!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 If you're concerned about a few big companies controlling our country's access to news, information, and entertainment, please join me in letting Congress know now. Later this week or early next week, the Senate will likely take up its last major vote on media reform, and it'll be very close. After a grassroots groundswell tipped the balance toward rolling back the FCC rule change that would allow greater media concentration, lobbyists from big media conglomerates have been working around the clock to tip it back. On Wednesday, MoveOn.org will be holding a crucial press conference with Senator Dorgan (D-ND) and Senator Snowe (R-ME) and groups across the political spectrum to highlight the broad opposition to the FCC rule change. MoveOn needs to show that over 100,000 people have voiced their demand that the Senate vote to roll back the rule change. Please help us reach 100,000 signers by this Wednesday -- you can join me in signing at: http://www.moveon.org/stopthefcc/ Together, we can make sure that America's media is diverse, competitive, and balanced. Bob Green Scottsdale, AZ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Sep 08 18:04:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27922 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 01:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 01:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 01:04:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 01:04:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 01:04:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Technics SA-222 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 629 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.72 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Ballance" wrote: > Can anyone tell me if the Technics SA-222 is a true AM Stereo receiver? I > once had one that may have been converted for AM Stereo, and have acquired > another one. If they are not AMS from the factory, is there any way to > easily convert it? On my previous rig, the AM Stereo sounded GREAT! > > Thanks! > > This was one of the units that Motorola did a conversion for and was published in the Stan Prentiss book "AM Stereo & TV Stereo, New Sound Dimensions" and did not come with AM Stereo. ISBN: 0-8306-0932-6 ISBN: 0-8306-1932-1 (pbk.) JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 18:45:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41249 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 01:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 01:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 01:45:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 01:45:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 01:45:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1169 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Wouldn't the "stereo pilot" be even more annoying to hear during > soft music? MANY music recordings, going well back into the 1970s, contain high-frequency "pilot tones", although usually at levels too low to distinguish by ear. The most common is a 15.7 kHz "birdie" caused by the use of a TV monitor in the recording studio -- from the TV's picture tube oscillator frequency (on older TV sets, this is loud enough that many people can hear the high-pitched whine when the TV is in use). These "pilot tones" will cause lossy compression schemes (MP3, etc.) to "waste" bits trying to encode them, so thus I always employ a 15 kHz low-pass filter when encoding. Some people may notice the loss of the extreme high frequencies, but lossy compression is usually highly inaccurate above 15 kHz anyway, so it's best to let the encoder only deal with the much more musically important frequencies below 15 kHz. Of course, analog audio isn't flawless either -- like the many radio stations whose cart machines often let the 8 kHz cueing tone be heard on the air, annoyingly punctuating the end of any liner or commercial with a high-pitched "tweeeeep". From stodd@vippn.com Mon Sep 08 18:50:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54526 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 01:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 01:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 01:50:50 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c37675$413d6660$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stop the FCC!! Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:54:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Done, though I'm not likely to agree with much of anything else they stand for. I did stop by Sen. Norm Coleman's booth at the Minn. State Fair a few weeks ago, and though he wasn't there, I did have one of the workers there take a note telling him to support SJ17 which would reverse the newly passed FCC policy. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > > If you're concerned about a few big companies controlling our country's > access to news, information, and entertainment, please join me in > letting Congress know now. > > > http://www.moveon.org/stopthefcc/ > From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 18:56:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99631 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 01:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 01:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 01:56:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 01:55:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 01:55:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 423 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.113 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: =snip= > Of course, analog audio isn't flawless either -- like the many radio > stations whose cart machines often let the 8 kHz cueing tone be heard > on the air, annoyingly punctuating the end of any liner or > commercial with a high-pitched "tweeeeep". "Roger that, Houston!" *BEEP* *grinning, ducking, and hiding* :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Mon Sep 08 18:57:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42209 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 01:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 01:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 01:57:14 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c37676$2bbe0dc0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} RAZ car stereo Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 21:00:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think the only ones that still have AMS are the ones with the three band eq. and CD player. You still might want to complain to your local Chrysler dealer. That way they know folks are still interested. BTW, I notice your messages come in duplicates. Whazzup with that? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "bratina501" > I noticed something odd about the RAZ car stereo. The ones that are > in the 2002 Chrystler Town and Country minivans are not AM stereo > capable despite the fact that they are listed in the owners manual > as AM stereo/FM stereo From bratina501@msn.com Mon Sep 08 19:19:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64200 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 02:19:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 02:19:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 02:19:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 02:19:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:19:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RAZ car stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c37676$2bbe0dc0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 631 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I think the only ones that still have AMS are the ones with the three band > eq. and CD player. You still might want to complain to your local Chrysler > dealer. That way they know folks are still interested. BTW, I notice your > messages come in duplicates. Whazzup with that? > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- Sometimes my computer has a hard time loading the page and I have to hit "refresh" that could be why I send duplicate messages. That was the radio I was talking about. I saw a diffrent one in the past in a 1996 Caravan. From w6yn@juno.com Mon Sep 08 20:12:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78682 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 03:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 03:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 03:12:24 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCZURqcTK7M596dWlU4fWnP4=">; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 20:05:33 PDT Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H9LT2M3V; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 20:05:33 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:05:14 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stop the FCC!! Message-ID: <20030908.200515.1956.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: W6YN Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn The Bill Clinton love-fest lefties ( move on.org ) are behind this? Now I'm worried!!! Don On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:54:04 -0500 "Scott Todd" writes: > Done, though I'm not likely to agree with much of anything else they > stand > for. I did stop by Sen. Norm Coleman's booth at the Minn. State > Fair a few > weeks ago, and though he wasn't there, I did have one of the workers > there > take a note telling him to support SJ17 which would reverse the > newly passed > FCC policy. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Davidson" > > > > > > If you're concerned about a few big companies controlling our > country's > > access to news, information, and entertainment, please join me in > > letting Congress know now. > > > > > > > http://www.moveon.org/stopthefcc/ > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 20:32:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41245 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 03:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 03:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 03:32:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 03:32:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 03:32:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stop the FCC!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030908.200515.1956.0.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1401 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.113 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > The Bill Clinton love-fest lefties ( move on.org ) are behind this? > > Now I'm worried!!! So is the Christian Coalition and thne NRA. Your point being? This is one nation of many voices, and the many should not be kept from being spoken for by the few. This is WHY we have a First Amendment, and it is WHY the national motto is "E Pluribus Unum"- "Of many, ONE". Let us not forget the many, for they are what makes America. This is NOT a "Liberal" vs. "Conservative" issue, but a "Corporations" vs. "The People" issue. The Corporations do NOT have the right to take away the right of The People to speak or dissent. The media concentration threatens everyone from religious broadcasters to mom-and-pop commercials to big-city independent broadcasters. Do you WANT there to be only 6 or 7 cortporations owning the 6000+ (or is it 9000+?) broadcast stations in the US alone? I sure as Hell don't! I don't even like what it has become under the 1996 Telecommunications Act, which I opposed! These are the SAME corporations who turn off the C-QUAM and invest heavily in IBOC! Do you want them to gain MORE power? If not, SIGN THE PETITION! For the future of broadcasting, and (hopefully) the future of AM stereo, PLEASE do it! http://www.moveon.org/stopthefcc/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (And yes, I signed it.) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 21:38:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37116 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 04:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 04:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 04:38:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 04:37:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 04:37:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kahn AM Stereo on the air in New York! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3359 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Well, sort of... 1280 WADO in New York City may have their Kahn AM Stereo exciter set to the Power-Side mode, but I just noticed that they are transmitting a 15 Hz Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone. I discovered this on my newly acquired Sony STR-AV470 multi-system receiver -- whenever I tune in WADO, it detects the Kahn pilot tone and switches into Kahn AM Stereo mode, with WADO's Power-Side signal causing the lop-sided effect of the right channel (upper sideband) being louder and more bass-heavy, while the left channel is quieter and emphasizes the treble. The FCC doesn't specifically allow Power-Side stations to use the Kahn pilot tone, but they don't prohibit it -- the only rule is that if you're going to transmit in AM Stereo, you have to use the C-Quam system (with the proper 25 Hz pilot tone). Any other kind of analog AM signal can use any pilot tones you want as long as you are not using a non-C-Quam system to broadcast true Stereo audio. Anyway, as for the STR-AV470, this model has Sony's most advanced multi-system AM Stereo tuner design, with automatic switching between C-Quam, Kahn, Harris, and Magnavox modes based on what pilot tone frequency is received. The selection of narrow and wide bandwidth is also automatic -- weak signals will always be received as narrow- bandwidth mono, and if the signal exceeds a certain strength threshold, it will automatically switch into Wide bandwidth mode, which also enables AM Stereo reception. A manual Mono/Narrow button is provided in case you'd prefer the extra selectivity of narrow mode even on a stronger signal (although then you lose Stereo capability). It also employs a notch filter to eliminate carrier whistles in Wide mode, which switches between 9 or 10 kHz depending on which AM channel spacing mode you select. In Wide mode, the audio bandwidth extends well up to 15 kHz -- in fact, it sounds more bright and crisp than FM because I don't think it has any de-emphasis, so you have to turn *down* the treble to get a flat response from AM in Wide mode. The Sony STR-AV470 also has an excellent S/N ratio on AM -- there is very little background hiss to be heard, even on weaker AM Stereo signals, as compared to the analog-tuning Sony Walkmans. The sensitivity seems better at the top end of the band, but that could just be how my particular unit is adjusted. Testing it out with my multi-system AM Stereo generator, C-Quam and Kahn modes sound almost the same, except Kahn has a little cleaner bass response and C-Quam has slightly better high-frequency stereo separation. I can't accurately test Harris mode because my generator uses a 25 Hz pilot tone in Harris mode, as compared to the 55 Hz tone the Sony expects -- in fact, that was Harris's big blunder, dropping their pilot tone down to 25 Hz at a time when thousands of multi-system receivers (expecting the 55 Hz tone) were already built. Anyway, Magnavox mode does work correctly, although it is strangely more distorted than the other modes, even though other Sony tuners actually sound the best with the Magnavox system. I made an interesting recording of my tests of this Sony tuner, which I'll eventually get uploaded to the FTP server, although the file will probably be rather large because I want to portray the tuner's sound quality as closely as possible. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 23:01:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83891 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 06:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 06:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41006.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.5) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 06:01:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20030909060101.63289.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.42.137] by web41006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 23:01:01 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 23:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio No, they should be forced to fix busted 8-TRACKS...with oven mitts on! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From rwagoner1@mac.com Mon Sep 08 23:14:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25050 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 06:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 06:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 06:14:06 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP id <20030909061335.VOIP4315.fed1mtao07.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:13:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 23:13:39 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030909060101.63289.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Lets not pick on 8-tracks, now ... On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 11:01 PM, JNR wrote: > No, they should be forced to fix busted > 8-TRACKS...with oven mitts on! > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 23:44:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95991 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 06:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 06:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 06:44:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 06:44:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 06:44:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1148 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Lets not pick on 8-tracks, now ... It wouldn't be such a maligned format if so many 8-track tapes and players weren't so crappily made. I still have a few tapes and two players, but it all just barely works anymore. In comparison, I have stereo LPs from the late 1950s that still sound like new, and my friend has an RCA Victrola stereo phonograph from that time -- one of the first stereo models they made, in a big wooden cabinet -- and it also works fine, even with no special restoration or maintenance. Even cassettes from the '70s and early '80s seem better-made than 8-tracks. I have a Willie Nelson cassette from 1981, and on a good tape deck it will still put many CDs to shame -- excellent dynamic range and very low background hiss, even with only Dolby B NR on plain Type I tape. A&M referred to their cassettes from this time as "audiophile" quality and that may not be an exaggeration if you have a chance to listen to one and compare it to today's horrible-sounding pop music CDs. And of course, it is a scientifically proven fact that rock music reached perfection in 1974 -- or so Homer Simpson claims. :-) From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Sep 08 23:47:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54573 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 06:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 06:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 06:47:50 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.151.23c33551 (4592) for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <151.23c33551.2c8ed12a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:46:02 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WDAF-AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell, there's such a thing as "rough jazz"...it's called "GANGSTA RAP". This is rap music that encourages people to commit crimes. There's too much radio (such as Howard Stern, Bubba and Bob and Tom) that encourages listeners to engage in criminal activity. "Smooth Jazz" is basically a mixture of Contemporary Jazz and soft Adult Contemporary. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Sep 08 23:51:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41936 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 06:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 06:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 06:51:21 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.e4.3d599239 (4592) for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:46:03 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} --> Classical Music and Strauss To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think they should deep-six the inferior IBOC system in favor of superior C-QUAM technology, Scott. I don't think IBOC will ever be improved. If the U.S. cannot find a separate band for terrestrial digital radio, then the FCC should give up on terrestrial digital radio. I noticed one thing about DRM, however; it takes up less spectrum space than IBOC (but still too much). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner1@mac.com Tue Sep 09 00:06:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64024 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 07:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 07:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 07:06:31 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP id <20030909070533.VXMF4315.fed1mtao07.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 03:05:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 00:05:36 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <030A625E-E294-11D7-8BF7-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Actually, most prerecorded cassettes and 8-tracks from long ago stopped sounding good ... long ago. Usually they can be fixed up with new pads, but sometimes not. Quality of Maxell blanks was always far better -- on cassette and 8-track -- than most prerecorded tapes. My home-recorded 8-tracks still play fine; the Maxell's still play as new on my Pioneer (Dolby) 8-track. But the inconvenience of the design made me leave the format behind long ago. I keep it around only for the tapes I don't wish to re-record. I still have some sealed blanks around somewhere. Maybe I'll use them for jingles on my someday-to-be-launched AM stereo station. On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 11:44 PM, Kevin T. wrote: >> Lets not pick on 8-tracks, now ... > > It wouldn't be such a maligned format if so many 8-track tapes and > players weren't so crappily made. I still have a few tapes and two > players, but it all just barely works anymore. In comparison, I have > stereo LPs from the late 1950s that still sound like new, and my > friend has an RCA Victrola stereo phonograph from that time -- one of > the first stereo models they made, in a big wooden cabinet -- and it > also works fine, even with no special restoration or maintenance. > > Even cassettes from the '70s and early '80s seem better-made than > 8-tracks. I have a Willie Nelson cassette from 1981, and on a good > tape deck it will still put many CDs to shame -- excellent dynamic > range and very low background hiss, even with only Dolby B NR on > plain Type I tape. A&M referred to their cassettes from this time as > "audiophile" quality and that may not be an exaggeration if you have > a chance to listen to one and compare it to today's horrible-sounding > pop music CDs. > > And of course, it is a scientifically proven fact that rock music > reached perfection in 1974 -- or so Homer Simpson claims. :-) > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From dav259@csiro.au Tue Sep 09 01:37:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66244 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 08:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 08:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 08:37:10 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h898aujF012977 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:36:56 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:36:56 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} --> Classical Music and Strauss In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > I noticed one thing about DRM, however; it takes up less spectrum > space than IBOC (but still too much). Eric et al From what I understand of DRM (which is not much) it COULD be THE solution. It's **digital** [insert fanfare here] but apparently works! I want all my AM stations back in stereo! Ian Melbourne From dav259@csiro.au Tue Sep 09 01:44:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38267 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 08:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 08:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 08:44:27 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h898iOjF013240 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:44:24 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:44:24 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound In-Reply-To: <030A625E-E294-11D7-8BF7-0005021D3C76@mac.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Actually, most prerecorded cassettes and 8-tracks from long ago stopped > sounding good ... long ago. Dumb question from Davo Downunder ... Should something recorded in 8 tracks sound better than something recorded on only two tracks ... through headphones? If so, why? Would the answer be the same if you were sitting in a chair and never moved your head? And remember the KISS principle. (Keep it simple stupid.) From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 02:12:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56006 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 09:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 09:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 09:12:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20030909091229.86949.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.251.206] by web41202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:12:29 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} --> Classical Music and Strauss To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian Davidson wrote: What ones a currently using AM Stereo? besides Magic,(I can actually pick it up on a SRF A300 a night! Is 3AW in stereo still? 2SM in Sydney should go AM Stereo to boost its flagging ratings and that one booms across the tasman! Michael I want all my AM stations back in stereo! Ian Melbourne Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 02:12:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69809 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 09:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 09:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 09:12:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 09:11:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:11:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1017 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.211 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > Actually, most prerecorded cassettes and 8-tracks from long ago stopped > > sounding good ... long ago. > > > Dumb question from Davo Downunder ... > > > Should something recorded in 8 tracks sound better than something > recorded on only two tracks ... through headphones? If so, why? A little 8-Track education here, if I may... :) "8-Track" does refer to how many magnetic tracks are on the tape, but as the tape is a continuous loop (and prone to being tangled way, WAY too easily), with the ends of the loop joined by a metallic strip, it plays 4 program(me)s of two tracks each, by moving the playback head up and down to the appropriate pair of tracks. It was designed by the inventor of the Lear jet in the early 1960s. I own a few 1960s-era 8- tracks. Oh, yeah, and the tape heads rarely fell precisely on track. I'm actually GLAD the format died. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Tue Sep 09 02:28:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27364 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 09:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 09:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 09:28:27 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h899QdjF015107 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:26:39 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:26:39 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > > Should something recorded in 8 tracks sound better than something > > recorded on only two tracks ... through headphones? If so, why? > > A little 8-Track education here, if I may... :) > > "8-Track" does refer to how many magnetic tracks are on the tape, but > as the tape is a continuous loop (and prone to being tangled way, WAY > too easily), with the ends of the loop joined by a metallic strip, it > plays 4 program(me)s of two tracks each, by moving the playback head > up and down to the appropriate pair of tracks. It was designed by the > inventor of the Lear jet in the early 1960s. I own a few 1960s-era 8- > tracks. > > Oh, yeah, and the tape heads rarely fell precisely on track. I'm > actually GLAD the format died. Amy - maybe you've overdosed on cheese. ( K I S S ) That is fascinating ... but the question remains ... Should something recorded in 8 tracks sound better than something recorded on only two tracks ... through headphones? If so, why? (Was that the "why"?) Dumbo (Davo Downunder) Scott may understand ... From dav259@csiro.au Tue Sep 09 02:57:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37580 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 09:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 09:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 09:57:10 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h899v5jF016331 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:57:05 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:57:05 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} --> Classical Music and Strauss In-Reply-To: <20030909091229.86949.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > Ian Davidson wrote: > > What ones are currently using AM Stereo? besides Magic,(I can > actually pick it up on a SRF A300 a night! Is 3AW in stereo still? Magic 693, Sport 927 "the Greater" 3UZ, and Talk 1116 3AK - are all heard in stereo. "Talking Melbourne" 3AW is in stereo with a mono feed - and they're killing off all opposition - as they've done for 15 to 20 years. Even I find it hard to criticise them. They ARE that good. They are so consistent that even a dud rates well - and they just gradually fix any problem. Last year Hinch raised his 3AK rating to 3.4% His ratings on 3AW are 15% - just because he's on 3AW. It's unhealthy in a way ... but you have to give 3AW credit for being consistent. > 2SM in Sydney should go AM Stereo to boost its flagging ratings and that > one booms across the tasman! 2SM is the 3XY of Melbourne. It had its heyday in the 70s when it was the great rocker of Sydney. Then FM arrived ... Poor 2SM maybe should be labelled as "Me too 3AK" - ratings wise. But at least the people at 3AK are trying to DO SOMETHING. The people at 2SM - which now only rates half of what 3AK does (not much) aren't doing anything. And in Australia's biggest city this is the pits. The phrase "Me too 3XY" should remain (worldwide) as an expression that it's so easy to copy someone else, then someone else again, and again, and then hit the right formular, rate through the roof, and collapse in a mangled heap. It happened ... God bless Magic 693 - a totally new Melbourne station - with a different callsign, a different frequency, and a different antenna. I love the old AM stations keeping their old callsigns (call-letters). It's tragic now that 3UZ is trying to get us to call it "Sport 927" - funilly enough by Noel Crowe - the guy who engineered the introduction of Magic 693 nine years ago. It's not even a total sports station. But Magic 693 was a new kettle of fish. It was known as 3EE for a couple of years and the "3XY" callsign was taken by the Greek station "Radio Hellas" broadcasting on 1422. It's good that a station is still called 3XY. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 08:14:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28440 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 15:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 15:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 15:14:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 15:13:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:13:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1891 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > "8-Track" does refer to how many magnetic tracks are on the tape, > but as the tape is a continuous loop (and prone to being tangled > way, WAY too easily), Which also made it impossible to REWIND! Nor did most players even have a fast-forward button, either, because that would probably cause many of the ultra-cheap tapes to tangle and break. > with the ends of the loop joined by a metallic strip, I have a few pre-recorded 8-tracks which split a song between "programs"! Right in the MIDDLE of a song, the music suddenly fades out, you hear the "ker-chunk" of the player changing tracks, and then the music fades back in. I can't believe music listeners -- or indeed, the artists themselves -- ever accepted such nonsense! > it plays 4 program(me)s of two tracks each, by moving the playback > head up and down to the appropriate pair of tracks. There were also Quadraphonic 8-tracks, which had two "programs" of four channels each. Some fancy American cars in the '70s came with Quadraphonic 8-track players -- while since then, multi-channel audio has only very rarely been found in car audio. > It was designed by the inventor of the Lear jet in the early 1960s. > I own a few 1960s-era 8-tracks. I believe that was Ed Muntz, who designed *4-track* tapes, as an alternative to reel-to-reel tapes, specifically for car use. It only really caught on when they added the 4 extra tracks, though. An alternative was "PlayTape" -- a cassette-sized mono tape format that I believe only played in one direction. Quite a few pop music albums of the '60s and early '70s were released on PlayTape, but obviously fidelity was not the emphasis. > Oh, yeah, and the tape heads rarely fell precisely on track. I'm > actually GLAD the format died. Yes... unlike Beta videotape -- and as I'm sure bta_50g here will say, AM Stereo -- 8-track actually deserved to die. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 09:10:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63793 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 16:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 16:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 16:10:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 16:10:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 16:10:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kahn in the news again Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1957 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com... Kahn: FCC Should Act on Cam-D Leonard Kahn thinks it's time the FCC acted on his request. Earlier, he asked the agency to rescind its interim order authorizing stations to convert to HD Radio. In January, Kahn, known to many in the industry for his work in AM Stereo a decade and more ago, suggested the commission create a blue-ribbon panel to study other digital technologies for terrestrial radio, including his Cam-D system. Once his AM digital system is developed, he intends to begin developing an FM system, which he hopes to complete by the end of 2004, Kahn states in a new filing to the commission. Kahn believes the commission should take "immediate action" on his petition "to get at the truth re digital radio and halt this display by the NRSC of enormous conflicts of interest. "For AM radio to be considered as a source of receiver sales and means to force the public to supposedly help the economy by making useless almost half a billion radios is ludicrous, almost as ludicrous as offering a service that only functions during daylight hours," Kahn continued, "a service that even during daylight hours creates significant interference between stations as distant as New York and Cincinnati during the daytime and completely destroys their operation during the night." Of the NRSC, Kahn states, "The flaws of using unpaid engineers to evaluate highly complex technology has been proven over and over again going back to the days of Armstrong and his FM and through Crosby and FM stereo, and, of course, AM stereo." His new filing does not include technical details of his Cam-D system, although Kahn states that one of the tests to be conducted this year "will prove that the new signal can be received at least with an 8 kHz stereo fidelity over 1,000 miles away and with full 15 kHz stereo being transmitted which will not create interference beyond existing AM signals." From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 09:24:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11548 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 16:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 16:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 16:24:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 16:21:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 16:21:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WOR Engineer for President? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 162 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Proof that 710 WOR's engineers have too much time on their hands: http://www.kerryforprez.us/ p.s. Shouldn't he be running for Governor of California instead? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 09:50:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79957 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 16:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 16:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 16:50:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 16:49:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 16:49:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Now *this* is an antenna! 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X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2190603653 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 10:09:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24582 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 17:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 17:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 17:09:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20030909170922.18569.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 10:09:22 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Subject: RAZ car stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Does it have the 2 slider or 3 slider EQ? The '2's' are not stereo, while all of the 3-EQ units have had stereo, even the ones with the 'pop-out' power/volume button. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Sep 09 10:20:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60678 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 17:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 17:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 17:20:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 17:20:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:20:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Now *this* is an antenna! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 554 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Bet my wife would love to see that in our livingroom, between the TV and our daughter's "Discovery Farm". BTW, I looked for a "Discovery Antenna Farm" [every baby's dream] a few months back, but I just couldn't find one - not at Zellers, not at Wal-Mart, not at Canadian Tire, not at Radio Shock. Of course if I found it, we all know where it would end up - the basement! Basement Dweller Phil R. PEI Canada --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2190603653 From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Sep 09 10:32:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61044 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 17:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 17:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 17:32:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 17:31:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:31:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR Engineer for President? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 817 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Perhaps a really good groundwave and a nice healthy 25 mv/m contour is what Capital Hill really needs after all. January 2005 - first act of the new US Administration - ground radials that extend all the way from the WOR transmitter site to the White House. Of course, its a done deal who our new PM will be, hint - his initials are also PM. The rumour that a DAB site is being installed in the Peace Tower in Ottawa is just that, a rumour. It would enhance reception with those $300 pocket radios on the floor of the House of Commons though. Phil R. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Proof that 710 WOR's engineers have too much time on their hands: > > http://www.kerryforprez.us/ > > p.s. Shouldn't he be running for Governor of California instead? From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Sep 09 11:06:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61360 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 18:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 18:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 18:06:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 18:04:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 18:04:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 487 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > Oh, yeah, and the tape heads rarely fell precisely on track. I'm > > actually GLAD the format died. > > Yes... unlike Beta videotape -- and as I'm sure bta_50g here will > say, AM Stereo -- 8-track actually deserved to die. Roger that, assuming you are speaking of analog AM stereo, and not stereo generically. Digital IBOC stereo is the road the future for stereo in the MW broadcast band. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Sep 09 11:24:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15802 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 18:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 18:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 18:24:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 18:24:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 18:24:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR Engineer for President? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 569 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.235 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Proof that 710 WOR's engineers have too much time on their hands: > > http://www.kerryforprez.us/ It looks more like it is someone other than Kerry that has too much time on his hands. The "kerryforprez" site and your message about it are entirely inappropriate, and I hope those responsible get their comeuppance. It is hard for me to imagine how anyone could have so much bile and hatred towards either Kerry, or IBOC. In the end I don't think it will advance your cause. John From stodd@vippn.com Tue Sep 09 12:35:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18344 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 19:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 19:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 19:35:02 -0000 Message-ID: <002601c37709$f4ed28a0$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: WFOB Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:38:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wrote to the GM of WFOB, and he said they dropped stereo because their audio processor was getting flakey. They plan on buying a new one at the NAB radio show next month, and I wrote back recommending the 9100B2, since I was able to make my stations every bit as loud with one of them as I was with a 9200. He said he'd pass that info along to his engineer, so maybe there's hope. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner1@mac.com Tue Sep 09 12:45:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47584 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 19:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 19:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtai02.cox.net) (68.6.19.253) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 19:44:59 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP id <20030909194322.IVDB21752.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:43:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:43:21 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Technically the format really isn't dead. Some radio stations still use continuously looped tape (although in a 4-track type of shell) for commercials; some (fewer) use them for music. Most stations used them for music through the 1980s. This doesn't answer the question, but a well-made tape coupled with a well-made player would give 8-tracks a sound advantage over cassettes, due to the fact that they travel at twice the speed. Problem is they seldom used good tape and the players were often worse. My Pioneer sounds great. I still wouldn't use it for anything today. On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 02:11 AM, Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson > wrote: >> >> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Richard Wagoner wrote: >> >>> Actually, most prerecorded cassettes and 8-tracks from long ago > stopped >>> sounding good ... long ago. >> >> >> Dumb question from Davo Downunder ... >> >> >> Should something recorded in 8 tracks sound better than something >> recorded on only two tracks ... through headphones? If so, why? > > A little 8-Track education here, if I may... :) > > "8-Track" does refer to how many magnetic tracks are on the tape, but > as the tape is a continuous loop (and prone to being tangled way, WAY > too easily), with the ends of the loop joined by a metallic strip, it > plays 4 program(me)s of two tracks each, by moving the playback head > up and down to the appropriate pair of tracks. It was designed by the > inventor of the Lear jet in the early 1960s. I own a few 1960s-era 8- > tracks. > > Oh, yeah, and the tape heads rarely fell precisely on track. I'm > actually GLAD the format died. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at Myinks.com. 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Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Sep 09 12:56:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27764 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 19:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 19:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 19:56:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 19:53:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 19:53:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR Engineer for President? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1071 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.174 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > Proof that 710 WOR's engineers have too much time on their hands: > > > > http://www.kerryforprez.us/ > > > It looks more like it is someone other than Kerry that has too much > time on his hands. The "kerryforprez" site and your message about it > are entirely inappropriate, and I hope those responsible get their > comeuppance. It is hard for me to imagine how anyone could have so > much bile and hatred towards either Kerry, or IBOC. In the end I > don't think it will advance your cause. > > John Well this is whois responsibile: Domain Name: KERRYFORPREZ.US Domain ID: D4684757-US Sponsoring Registrar: VERISIGN .US REGISTRARS, INC. Domain Status: clientTransferedProhibited Registrant ID: 17538913 Registrant Name: Thomas Ray III Registrant Address1: XXX XXXXXXXX XXXXXX Registrant City: New Winsor Registrant State: NY From rwagoner1@mac.com Tue Sep 09 12:59:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29010 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 19:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 19:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao05.cox.net) (68.6.19.126) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 19:59:06 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP id <20030909195428.YKJR1408.fed1mtao05.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:54:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:54:27 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR Engineer for President? Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6B5EE87E-E2FF-11D7-9092-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Doesn't look to me like it came from anyone here. On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 11:24 AM, bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: >> Proof that 710 WOR's engineers have too much time on their hands: >> >> http://www.kerryforprez.us/ > > > It looks more like it is someone other than Kerry that has too much > time on his hands. The "kerryforprez" site and your message about it > are entirely inappropriate, and I hope those responsible get their > comeuppance. It is hard for me to imagine how anyone could have so > much bile and hatred towards either Kerry, or IBOC. In the end I > don't think it will advance your cause. > > John > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Sep 09 13:17:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1066 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 20:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 20:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 20:17:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 20:15:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 20:15:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR Engineer for President? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6B5EE87E-E2FF-11D7-9092-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.226 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Doesn't look to me like it came from anyone here. That may be the case, but how can you be sure one way or the other? John From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Sep 09 13:47:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82550 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 20:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 20:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.120) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 20:47:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:47:33 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav16.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 20:47:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Re: Technical and Editorial Commitee, Volunteers needed. Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:47:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2003 20:47:33.0189 (UTC) FILETIME=[97D4B750:01C37713] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I run a P15 Website dedicated to the legal unlicensed forms of communication. I got SamBuca(Sam Micheals) Admin for Radio-Info to do the website. I just need a Technical and Editorial Commitee to communicate via email. The website is located at www.qsl.net/kc8gpd . The Tech and Editorial Commitee will consist of a couple of people knowledgeable in the technical aspecs of part 15 broadcasting and good with editing and writing. I'd also like pic's of peoples P15 stations and stories of experiences good and bad with FCC agents as well as what methods to increasing range have passed and what has not. And what office the fcc agents are out of. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Ordained Minister (ULC) 88.3 FM 1610 AM P15 Community Radio! http://www.qsl.net/kc8gpd Stand up for your rights @ http://www.eff.org From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 15:54:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95333 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 22:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 22:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 22:54:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20030909225420.14528.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.251.206] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:54:20 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old stations To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian Davidson wrote: The phrase "Me too 3XY" should remain (worldwide) as an expression that it's so easy to copy someone else, then someone else again, and again, and then hit the right formular, rate through the roof, and collapse in a mangled heap. Just slightly off topic but radio related is in Auckland we had a station called simply named 89FM (89.4) it was so successful it was the top station from 1987 till the end of 1989 and wasn't compressed either with mostly 80's music but its long gone now occupied by the top rater Newstalk ZB which 89.4 happens to be in stereo still simulcasted with the original on 1080AM which unfortunately not AM Stereo. Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 15:59:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84354 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 22:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 22:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 22:59:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 22:58:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:58:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 478 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Roger that, assuming you are speaking of analog AM stereo, and not > stereo generically. Digital IBOC stereo is the road the future for > stereo in the MW broadcast band. Roger that, assuming you are speaking of digital AM stereo generically, and not iBiquity's IBOC system in specific. Whether it will be IBOC, DRM, CAM-D, or Motorola Symphony, we *will* be seeing digital technology in the future of AM Stereo -- one way or another! "Leonard Kahn For President!" From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Sep 09 16:05:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7601 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 23:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 23:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 23:05:52 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h89N5of12081 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:05:50 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h89N5oO08583 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:05:50 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h89N5oU08577 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:05:50 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:05:50 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47195@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WOR Engineer for President? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:05:47 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 I think it's classic - Tom Ray's set it up as a joke - I'm sure Kerry would find it very funny - it looks like it's all in good taste anyway... It shows they do have a sense of humour and I think we should ask them if we can have Hybrid IBOC Daytime / C-QUAM Nightime trials.. With the announcement of the new DSP chip from Texas Instruments http://focus.ti.com/docs/pr/pressrelease.jhtml?prelId=sc03179 we need to get some engineering samples of the chip to our engineers on the list (eg JSG) to see if wideband AM with C-QUAM decoding can be decoded with this chip. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 16:07:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97283 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 23:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 23:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 23:07:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 23:07:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:06:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR Engineer for President? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 867 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That may be the case, but how can you be sure one way or the other? From www.radioworld.com..... Radio Engineer for President "He's the most wired and connected person we know." That's the pitch for Kerry for president -- not that Kerry, but Kerry Richards, chief engineer of WOR(AM) in New York. A radio engineer as president of the United States? Why not? Leave it to Tom Ray, corporate director of engineering for Buckley Broadcasting, to come up with the parody. It turns out Kerry Richards even has a platform. The official web site includes a photo of it. "This platform is behind one row of equipment racks at WOR," the caption explains. "While the primary purpose of this platform is to cover and protect the wiring, Kerry has been known to stand on this platform and pontificate." You can see for yourself at www.kerryforprez.us. From bratina501@msn.com Tue Sep 09 16:17:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36490 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 23:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 23:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 23:17:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 23:16:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:16:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Subject: RAZ car stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030909170922.18569.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 408 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Does it have the 2 slider or 3 slider EQ? The '2's' are not stereo, while all > of the 3-EQ units have had stereo, even the ones with the 'pop-out' > power/volume button. > > __________________________________ It has the 2 slider EQ. Chrystler must have listed the 3 slider one and not the 2 slider one in the owners manual From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 16:39:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50657 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 23:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 23:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 23:32:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20030909233147.54064.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.251.206] by web41203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 16:31:47 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WOR Engineer for President? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47195@aubwm206> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What about simulcasting Iboc(or prefered digital system) and Cquam at the same time and then everybody can choose what they prefer. Michael "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: I think it's classic - Tom Ray's set it up as a joke - I'm sure Kerry would --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Sep 09 16:58:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47404 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 23:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 23:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 23:58:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 23:58:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:58:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 945 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.228 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Roger that, assuming you are speaking of digital AM stereo > generically, and not iBiquity's IBOC system in specific. Whether it > will be IBOC, DRM, CAM-D, or Motorola Symphony, we *will* be seeing > digital technology in the future of AM Stereo -- one way or another! Ah, Kevin, "Motorola Symphony" is not a digital transmission system, it isn't even a stereo transmission system at all, it is simply a DSP used to process analog signals in the digital domain, in place of the common analog processing. As I understand it "CAM-D" is also not a pure digital stereo transmission system, but rather is a half bread of some sort, using digital transmission to extend the audio frequency response of an analog AM stereo system out to 15 kHz, from the normal 8 kHz. > "Leonard Kahn For President!" Let's see him put over the "CAM-D" system first. John From stodd@vippn.com Tue Sep 09 17:54:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25994 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 00:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 00:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 00:54:18 -0000 Message-ID: <002401c37736$84ebefa0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030909233147.54064.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR Engineer for President? Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:56:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The two are incompatible as they both require a quadrature signal. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Ross" > What about simulcasting Iboc(or prefered digital system) and Cquam at the same time and then everybody can choose what they prefer. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 18:38:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16235 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 01:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 01:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 01:38:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 01:38:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:38:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR Engineer for President? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1345 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.211 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Answering both at the bottom. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > > Proof that 710 WOR's engineers have too much time on their hands: > > > > > > http://www.kerryforprez.us/ > > > > > > It looks more like it is someone other than Kerry that has too much > > time on his hands. The "kerryforprez" site and your message about > it > > are entirely inappropriate, and I hope those responsible get their > > comeuppance. It is hard for me to imagine how anyone could have so > > much bile and hatred towards either Kerry, or IBOC. In the end I > > don't think it will advance your cause. > > > > John > > Well this is whois responsibile: > > Domain Name: KERRYFORPREZ.US > Domain ID: D4684757-US > Sponsoring Registrar: VERISIGN .US REGISTRARS, INC. > Domain Status: clientTransferedProhibited > Registrant ID: 17538913 > Registrant Name: Thomas Ray III > Registrant Address1: XXX XXXXXXXX XXXXXX > Registrant City: New Winsor > Registrant State: NY Actually, if you looked at the bottom of the main page, you would've seen it was by Tom Ray. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 18:51:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18251 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 01:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 01:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 01:51:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 01:51:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:51:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR Engineer for President? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030909233147.54064.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 743 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.211 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > What about simulcasting Iboc(or prefered digital system) and Cquam at the same time and then everybody can choose what they prefer. > Michael > > "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > I think it's classic - Tom Ray's set it up as a joke - I'm sure Kerry would Doesn't work for IBOC. Why? The subband of digital carriers at +/- 10- 15 kHz could either be redundant or carry differing information, and an auxillary digital band in quadrature with the main analog audio. What this means, is that the digital data interferes with any attempt to add C-QUAM to an IBOC signal. In other words, you have onedd or the other. Not both. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Sep 09 18:56:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63142 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 01:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 01:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 01:56:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 01:54:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:54:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR Engineer for President? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002401c37736$84ebefa0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 763 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.81 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g I agree, but I think the explanation is slightly more involved. If it were simply because both require a quadrature signal, then IBOC and regular monophonic AM would also be incompatible since they both require an inphase signal. Those of you who will feel compelled to point out that IBOC and regular monophonic AM are incompatible in any case, go right ahead it's expected. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > The two are incompatible as they both require a quadrature signal. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael and Ross" > > > What about simulcasting Iboc(or prefered digital system) and Cquam > > at the same time and then everybody can choose what they prefer. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 19:47:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22927 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 02:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 02:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 02:47:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 02:45:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 02:45:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR Engineer for President? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1283 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What this means, is that the digital data interferes with any > attempt to add C-QUAM to an IBOC signal. > > In other words, you have onedd or the other. Not both. Actually, if you restrict the transmitted IBOC signal to the lower- bitrate "core" mode (mono only), then it *is* possible to transmit IBOC and analog AM Stereo simultaneously, because that frees up the phase/quadrature modulation in the +/- 0-5 kHz range for use by analog AM Stereo. But the question is, why would you want to do such a thing? 5 kHz of analog AM with hissing digital sidebands saddled on top of it is going to sound bad, no matter if it is mono or stereo. And actually, IBOC received in AM Stereo mode sounds much worse than when received in mono, because the AM Stereo decoder will reveal the quadrature- modulated IBOC sidebands and make the hiss/hash more noticeable. Unfortunately this effect also occurs if you're trying to listen to an AM Stereo station that is being interfered with by a neighboring or co-channel IBOC station -- just anybody who listens to 1520 WWKB when their AM Stereo signal gets hashed upon by 1530 WSAI's nighttime IBOC "testing"! (Which I've been hearing every night this week, so far... sometimes continuously, and sometimes in short intervals.) From e92fmjamz@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 19:56:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: e92fmjamz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16422 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 02:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 02:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14001.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 02:55:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20030910025558.282.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.163.24.102] by web14001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 19:55:58 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ernest Jones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24963319 X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz Ahem, they are called CARTS......most carts are 4 track AND run at 7 1/2 IPS...8-tracks ran at 3 1/3 IPS, by it running at such a slow speed, the quality of most 8-tracks and fidelity was horrible...8-tracks are before my time, but I do remember playing with old ones, and actually attempting to play a 8-track in a cart machine and discovered that it had twice as many tracks and runs at half the speed (equaled a jumbled up chimpmunk speed mess)..with a cart, you could take if out the spool, thread it onto a 2 track reel-to-reel and pull the audio off of it, hard to do with a 8-track --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > Technically the format really isn't dead. Some radio > stations still use > continuously looped tape (although in a 4-track type > of shell) for > commercials; some (fewer) use them for music. Most > stations used them > for music through the 1980s. > > This doesn't answer the question, but a well-made > tape coupled with a > well-made player would give 8-tracks a sound > advantage over cassettes, > due to the fact that they travel at twice the speed. > Problem is they > seldom used good tape and the players were often > worse. My Pioneer > sounds great. I still wouldn't use it for anything > today. > > > On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 02:11 AM, Amy > Mousie wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson > > > wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Richard Wagoner wrote: > >> > >>> Actually, most prerecorded cassettes and > 8-tracks from long ago > > stopped > >>> sounding good ... long ago. > >> > >> > >> Dumb question from Davo Downunder ... > >> > >> > >> Should something recorded in 8 tracks sound > better than something > >> recorded on only two tracks ... through > headphones? If so, why? > > > > A little 8-Track education here, if I may... :) > > > > "8-Track" does refer to how many magnetic tracks > are on the tape, but > > as the tape is a continuous loop (and prone to > being tangled way, WAY > > too easily), with the ends of the loop joined by a > metallic strip, it > > plays 4 program(me)s of two tracks each, by moving > the playback head > > up and down to the appropriate pair of tracks. It > was designed by the > > inventor of the Lear jet in the early 1960s. I own > a few 1960s-era 8- > > tracks. > > > > Oh, yeah, and the tape heads rarely fell precisely > on track. I'm > > actually GLAD the format died. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ---------------------~--> > > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, > Epson, Canon or Lexmark > > Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or > more to the US & > > Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/CPMolB/TM > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ~-> > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 20:04:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48190 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 03:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 03:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 03:04:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20030910030427.2026.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 20:04:27 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Leonard Kahn is right-on target this time To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I wrote to Leonard Kahn and sent him a copy of my recent FCC filing, and I then received a nice letter back from him yesterday along with a copy of his recent filing to our buddy Michael Powell at the FCC. Leonard and I are on the same page, as most of our fellow list members, in asking why has only one method of AM radio improvements being tested? I suggest that we continue to pester the FCC to open-up testing for the 'best' method of compatible analog AM broadcasting, not focusing only on one single provider that has questionable audio quality issues and questionable adjacent channel interference issues. Let's all keep the ball rolling at the FCC for multiple AM systems testing! Forget about "Kerry for president"; "Leonard Kahn for president" - he's our man! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jon@kenneke.com Tue Sep 09 20:09:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25287 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 03:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 03:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 03:09:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8A37Sg30731 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:07:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:07:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Leonard Kahn is right-on target this time In-Reply-To: <20030910030427.2026.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: jon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664 X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke I will have to agree: I spoke with Mr. Kahn on the phone several weeks ago about an unrelated (well, kind of) issue. At the end of the call, I asked him to give me the scoop on CAM-D, and the politics. Of course, he did. As much crap as he gets, his systems/technologies are superior. But, his prices for the technology are insane. All said, he is a passionate and intelligent guy. Listen to what he says. Jon On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, John P. wrote: > I wrote to Leonard Kahn and sent him a copy of my recent FCC filing, and I then > received a nice letter back from him yesterday along with a copy of his recent > filing to our buddy Michael Powell at the FCC. > > Leonard and I are on the same page, as most of our fellow list members, in > asking why has only one method of AM radio improvements being tested? > > I suggest that we continue to pester the FCC to open-up testing for the 'best' > method of compatible analog AM broadcasting, not focusing only on one single > provider that has questionable audio quality issues and questionable adjacent > channel interference issues. > > Let's all keep the ball rolling at the FCC for multiple AM systems testing! > Forget about "Kerry for president"; "Leonard Kahn for president" - he's our man! > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- Jon Kenneke, General Manager Kenneke Communications - http://www.kenneke.com PO Box 3126 - Albany, OR 97321-0702 Radio Takena KTK - http://www.radiotakena.org From rwagoner1@mac.com Tue Sep 09 20:17:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31354 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 03:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 03:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 03:17:19 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030910031710.FXCW13988.fed1mtao07.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 23:17:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:17:11 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR Engineer for President? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4483F7AA-E33D-11D7-9092-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner OK. IBOC and regular monaural (isn't that the correct term?) AM are incompatible is any case. On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 06:54 PM, bta_50g wrote: > Those of you who will feel compelled to > point out that IBOC and regular monophonic AM are incompatible in any > case, go right ahead it's expected. From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Sep 09 20:33:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58831 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 03:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 03:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.114) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 03:33:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:32:51 -0700 Received: from 172.133.162.58 by bay7-dav10.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:32:50 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 23:30:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2003 03:32:51.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[3664EE70:01C3774C] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.133.162.58] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Ian Davidson wrote: > Should something recorded in 8 tracks sound better than something recorded on only two tracks ... through headphones? If so, why? No, and this is why: An 8-Track tape is a 1/4" continuous loop tape that is split into 4 Stereo channels with a read / write speed of 3 3/4 Inches Per Second. The 8-Track was developed by Lear Jet in the 60's as car audio format. While 8-tracks have the theoretical potential to have better frequency response and signal to noise ratio, In real life the slow running loop of tape made for LOTS of wow and flutter and due to the head moving up and down the tape to change channels, proper head alignment was nearly impossible. I wound a few 8-Tracks with Audiopack AA-4 tape, the same tape used in the Blue "FM" carts, and they sounded pretty decent. Better in fidelity is the Compact Cassette tape developed by Phillips. The Cassette was originally developed for dictation machines, NOT for Hi-Fi. The cassette tape is a miniature reel to reel tape that has 2 stereo channels recorded on 1/8" tape with a read / write speed of 1 7/8 IPS. While it was never intended for music, the Compact Cassette can sound quite good with High Bias tape and Dolby HX Pro and Dolby C Noise reduction. High Bias tape and DBX noise reduction also sounds good. The 8-track's Grandfather, The NAB cartridge has been replaced by .WAV Cart players in most radio stations, but is still in use at the die hard analog stations and non-computerized small budget small market stations. The Cart has a 1/4" tape split into three tracks: Left, Right, and Cue Tone. It has a read /write speed of 7 1/2 IPS. In the "Good ole Days" of radio, the commercials were recorded on NAB carts and when a new 45 came in, it would be recorded to Cart for airplay to preserve the original record from scratches and cue burns. The faster tape speed greatly reduces the wow and flutter heard in 8-Tracks. Because DJs are bad to slam the carts into the players, head alignment is an endless chore for the engineer. As far as I know, Fidelipac is the only company that still supports the format. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 20:40:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62038 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 03:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 03:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 03:40:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 03:40:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:40:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Leonard Kahn is right-on target this time Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 300 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > All said, he is a passionate and intelligent guy. Listen to what he > says. Like I've said before, Ol' Lenny is "the Ralph Nader of the radio industry". You may not care for the manner in which he presents himself, but you at least have to respect his knowledge, experience, and persistence. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Sep 09 20:53:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69254 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 03:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 03:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 03:53:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 03:52:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:52:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR Engineer for President? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 762 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.57 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > > > Well this is whois responsibile: > > > > Domain Name: KERRYFORPREZ.US > > Domain ID: D4684757-US > > Sponsoring Registrar: VERISIGN .US REGISTRARS, INC. > > Domain Status: clientTransferedProhibited > > Registrant ID: 17538913 > > Registrant Name: Thomas Ray III > > Registrant Address1: XXX XXXXXXXX XXXXXX > > Registrant City: New Winsor > > Registrant State: NY > > Actually, if you looked at the bottom of the main page, you would've > seen it was by Tom Ray. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yea but some people wouldn't of believed it. ;-) Tom is just having some fun with the present situation. JSG From e92fmjamz@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 05:51:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: e92fmjamz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89720 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 12:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 12:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14004.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.120) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 12:51:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20030910125151.6812.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.163.24.102] by web14004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 05:51:51 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 05:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ernest Jones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24963319 X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz Because DJs are bad to > slam the carts into the > players, head alignment is an endless chore for the > engineer. As far as I > know, Fidelipac is the only company that still > supports the format. I know of a station that bought about 100 or so brand new carts from fidelipac.... --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Ian Davidson wrote: > > Should something recorded in 8 tracks sound better > than something recorded > on only two tracks ... through headphones? If so, > why? > > No, and this is why: > An 8-Track tape is a 1/4" continuous loop tape that > is split into 4 Stereo > channels with a read / write speed of 3 3/4 Inches > Per Second. The 8-Track > was developed by Lear Jet in the 60's as car audio > format. While 8-tracks > have the theoretical potential to have better > frequency response and signal > to noise ratio, In real life the slow running loop > of tape made for LOTS of > wow and flutter and due to the head moving up and > down the tape to change > channels, proper head alignment was nearly > impossible. I wound a few > 8-Tracks with Audiopack AA-4 tape, the same tape > used in the Blue "FM" > carts, and they sounded pretty decent. > > Better in fidelity is the Compact Cassette tape > developed by Phillips. The > Cassette was originally developed for dictation > machines, NOT for Hi-Fi. The > cassette tape is a miniature reel to reel tape that > has 2 stereo channels > recorded on 1/8" tape with a read / write speed of 1 > 7/8 IPS. While it was > never intended for music, the Compact Cassette can > sound quite good with > High Bias tape and Dolby HX Pro and Dolby C Noise > reduction. High Bias tape > and DBX noise reduction also sounds good. > > The 8-track's Grandfather, The NAB cartridge has > been replaced by .WAV Cart > players in most radio stations, but is still in use > at the die hard analog > stations and non-computerized small budget small > market stations. The Cart > has a 1/4" tape split into three tracks: Left, > Right, and Cue Tone. It has a > read /write speed of 7 1/2 IPS. In the "Good ole > Days" of radio, the > commercials were recorded on NAB carts and when a > new 45 came in, it would > be recorded to Cart for airplay to preserve the > original record from > scratches and cue burns. The faster tape speed > greatly reduces the wow and > flutter heard in 8-Tracks. > > Kevin > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== Ernest, Gates NC, USA WRCS 970 AM Ahoskie NC, Announcer,webmaster http://wrcs.cjb.net WQDK 99.3 FM Ahoskie NC, Fill in ------contact me-------- AIM: e92fmjamz2000 ICQ: 33155469 Yahoo: e92fmjamz __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From mikew@lanl.gov Wed Sep 10 09:30:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikew@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14467 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 16:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 16:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 16:30:41 -0000 Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h8AGUeii013731 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:30:40 -0600 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h8AGUdaU003087 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:30:40 -0600 Received: from lanl.gov (romulus.lanl.gov [128.165.209.40]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h8AGUd7i008514 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:30:39 -0600 Message-ID: <3F5F51B4.5080303@lanl.gov> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:30:44 -0600 Organization: Otowi Medium Wave DXers Club User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030701 X-Accept-Language: en-us, es, en, zh-cn, af, sq, ar, ar-dz, ar-bh, ar-eg, ar-iq, ar-jo, ar-kw, ar-lb, ar-ly, ar-ma, ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye, hy, ast, eu, be, bs, bg, ca, zh, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, hr, cs, da, nl, nl-be, en-au, en-bz, en-ca, en-ie, en-jm, en-nz, en-ph, en-za, en-tt, en-gb, en-zw, eo, et, fo, fi, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch, gl, ka, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, hu, is, id, in, ga, it, it-ch, ja, ko, ko-kp, ko-kr, lv, lt, mk-mk, ms, no, nb, nn, pl, pt, pt-br, ro, ru, gd, sr, sk, sl, sb, es-ar, es-bo, es-cl, es-co, es-cr, es-do, es-ec, es-sv, es-gt, es-hn, es-mx, es-ni, es-pa, es-py, es-pe, es-pr, es-es, es-uy, es-ve, sv, sv-fi, th, tr, uk, vi, cy, xh, yi, zu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 From: "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150284724 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6kuy Possum Hunter wrote: > Ian Davidson wrote: > > Should something recorded in 8 tracks sound better than something > recorded > on only two tracks ... > > No, and this is why: > An 8-Track tape is a ... Does "something recorded in 8 tracks" mean the same thing as "something recorded on an 8-track"? -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 09:55:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15865 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 16:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 16:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 16:55:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20030910165530.21109.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:55:30 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What's the FCC Thinking? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Even though shock jock Howard Stern's radio and television show features scantily clad women and raunchy chatter, (FCC) regulators on Tuesday ruled it a news program,..." Can we get some new FCC commissioners? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Sep 10 10:00:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63369 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 17:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 17:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 17:00:10 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:00:10 -0600 Message-ID: <007a01c377bc$fec77f70$5401010a@AM> To: References: <3F5F51B4.5080303@lanl.gov> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:00:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it does :) Although I think the concept was lost. It's both the same thing. On an 8-track you have (4) sets of 2-track recordings (2-track=left and right). And by the way, we still have cart machines in all studios. A MONO B.E. triple-stack deck that this computer monitor is sitting on top of here in the AM studio. FM studio has an ITC triple-stack deck, and the production room has an ITC stereo recorder and a stereo playback deck. Both sets of stereo machines are done in "matrixed" stereo.....the input and output are matrixed (L+R and L-R is what is actually recorded on the 2 tracks of the stereo cart). We do this so that when you put the stereo cart into the MONO playback deck here in the AM, the mono deck's heads only have 2 tracks on them (one for audio, and one for the cue tone) and the audio head plays back the L+R audio that's recorded on the top track. The mono head doesn't see the L-R info that's recorded onto the middle track. Why do we do this? So that you can take a cart produced in stereo and play it back on the mono cart deck and not lose either channel. VERY similar indeed to AM Stereo :) And it works great. I matrixed the stereo cart deck inputs/outputs probably about 9 years ago and we've been using them this way ever since. Otherwise if you take a stereo cart and try to play it back in a MONO cart machine, you only get one channel because the mono cart deck sees the top track on the tape, and the bottom track. Top track is LEFT, middle track is RIGHT, bottom track is CUE TONE. Anyways....there ya go. That's our session of CARTS-101 for today. Read chapters 2 and 3 and write an essay for tomorrow's class. :) Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:30 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound : > > Should something recorded in 8 tracks sound better than something > recorded > on only two tracks ... > Does "something recorded in 8 tracks" mean the same thing as "something recorded on an 8-track"? -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 10:09:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60819 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 17:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 17:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 17:09:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 17:09:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:09:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F5F51B4.5080303@lanl.gov> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 648 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" wrote: > Possum Hunter wrote: > > Ian Davidson wrote: > > > Should something recorded in 8 tracks sound better than something > > recorded > > on only two tracks ... > > > > No, and this is why: > > An 8-Track tape is a ... > > Does "something recorded in 8 tracks" mean the same thing as "something > recorded on an 8-track"? Beyond the issue of surround sound, the only ones who would give a damn about multitrack recording are recording studios- and 8 tracks today is thought to be "limited", in this day of 24-48-track recording. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 10:11:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68038 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 17:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 17:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 17:11:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 17:11:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:11:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F5F51B4.5080303@lanl.gov> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1121 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does "something recorded in 8 tracks" mean the same thing as > "something recorded on an 8-track"? I think the misunderstanding is that "8-track" tapes still only offer two-channel stereo sound -- because only two of those eight tracks are played at any time. It uses the eight tracks to provide four "programs", which you can either play in sequence or manually switch between. There were also Quadraphonic 8-track tapes, which featured two "programs" of four audio channels each. Theoretically, you could use all eight tracks at once, for octophonic(!) sound, but who has an eight-speaker audio system to play it on? Even the current digital "home theatre" formats are only up to "7.1" channels (7 audio channels plus a low-frequency bass effects channel for the subwoofer). You could also record four audio channels onto a standard cassette -- but then it would only record or play in one direction. In fact, I think some budget "studio" tape recorders used this method. I also recall a toy video camera which would record (in black & white) onto *audio* cassettes. Anybody else remember that? From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 10:13:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62281 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 17:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 17:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 17:13:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 17:13:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:13:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What's the FCC Thinking? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030910165530.21109.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 678 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > "LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Even though shock jock Howard Stern's radio and > television show features scantily clad women and raunchy chatter, (FCC) > regulators on Tuesday ruled it a news program,..." > > Can we get some new FCC commissioners? Under THIS administration?? Oh, and: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030910/people_nm/media_stern_dc_2 (Cut & paste as per usual.) This decision certainly smacks of not thinking about precedent, which it most certainly sets, and it legitimizes the tabloidization of our broadcast media. This is America?? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Sep 10 10:13:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75814 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 17:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 17:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 17:13:38 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:13:38 -0600 Message-ID: <008c01c377be$e0645830$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:13:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember that one!! Always wondered how it worked and actually went through the process to take the "video out" from a source and run it into one of the channels on my cassette deck and then try playing the tape back with that channel running into the "video in" on the vcr. Didn't work and I didn't understand why :) Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:11 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound > Does "something recorded in 8 tracks" mean the same thing as > "something recorded on an 8-track"? I think the misunderstanding is that "8-track" tapes still only offer two-channel stereo sound -- because only two of those eight tracks are played at any time. It uses the eight tracks to provide four "programs", which you can either play in sequence or manually switch between. There were also Quadraphonic 8-track tapes, which featured two "programs" of four audio channels each. Theoretically, you could use all eight tracks at once, for octophonic(!) sound, but who has an eight-speaker audio system to play it on? Even the current digital "home theatre" formats are only up to "7.1" channels (7 audio channels plus a low-frequency bass effects channel for the subwoofer). You could also record four audio channels onto a standard cassette -- but then it would only record or play in one direction. In fact, I think some budget "studio" tape recorders used this method. I also recall a toy video camera which would record (in black & white) onto *audio* cassettes. Anybody else remember that? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 10:21:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10188 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 17:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 17:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 17:21:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 17:21:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:21:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1171 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Beyond the issue of surround sound, the only ones who would give a > damn about multitrack recording are recording studios- and 8 tracks > today is thought to be "limited", in this day of 24-48-track > recording. And with today's computer-based recording, editing, and mixing, you can essentially have unlimited "takes" and unlimited "tracks" -- and nobody has to be in the same studio at the same time; it's very common for singers to record their vocals on top of pre-recorded backing tracks, rather than performing with a live band in the studio. You can even record a duet with a dead person -- as Natalie Cole's "Unforgettable" made famous over a decade ago. Then, there's the whole issue of "Auto-Tune" -- an ingenious device which electronically manipulates a singer's voice (or even an instrument's sound) to be exactly on-pitch. When used in moderation, the effect is unnoticeable, but when used to excess, you end up with vocals that sound like Cher's "Believe" or like Faith Hill's current pop hit (especially when she sings "blue-ue...", you can clearly hear how her voice is manipulated to conform to a pre-programmed pitch sequence). From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 10:22:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75405 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 17:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 17:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 17:22:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 17:22:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:22:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008c01c377be$e0645830$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 623 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > I remember that one!! Always wondered how it worked and actually went through the process to take the "video out" from a source and run it into one of the channels on my cassette deck and then try playing the tape back with that channel running into the "video in" on the vcr. Didn't work and I didn't understand why :) To accomodate the video signal, it recorded/played the cassettes at high speeds- Something like 12 minutes on a C-90. I remember hearing about these, and wanted to get one. :( Never did. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 10:28:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83921 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 17:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 17:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 17:28:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 17:28:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:28:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 544 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > You could also record four audio channels onto a standard cassette - - > but then it would only record or play in one direction. In fact, I > think some budget "studio" tape recorders used this method. A local band, "Mr. Bungle" (yes, THAT Mr. Bungle, with Mike Patton, also of Faith No More) used to record on these recorders, made by Tasco (Teac). It worked for them. :) (I knew Mike before fame got to him-- Really nice guy, he was. :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 10:36:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29477 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 17:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 17:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 17:36:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 17:36:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:36:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1738 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Beyond the issue of surround sound, the only ones who would give a > > damn about multitrack recording are recording studios- and 8 tracks > > today is thought to be "limited", in this day of 24-48-track > > recording. > > And with today's computer-based recording, editing, and mixing, you > can essentially have unlimited "takes" and unlimited "tracks" -- and > nobody has to be in the same studio at the same time; it's very common > for singers to record their vocals on top of pre-recorded backing > tracks, rather than performing with a live band in the studio. You > can even record a duet with a dead person -- as Natalie Cole's > "Unforgettable" made famous over a decade ago. I know of at least one indie rock band here in the US that does just that- Brando (http://www.lunamusic.net/brando/), whose musicians are scattered across the US and Brazil. > Then, there's the whole issue of "Auto-Tune" -- an ingenious device > which electronically manipulates a singer's voice (or even an > instrument's sound) to be exactly on-pitch. When used in moderation, > the effect is unnoticeable, but when used to excess, you end up with > vocals that sound like Cher's "Believe" or like Faith Hill's current > pop hit (especially when she sings "blue-ue...", you can clearly hear > how her voice is manipulated to conform to a pre-programmed pitch > sequence). This is done deliberately, for that "techno" sound, and yes, I do agree-- It is -ANNOYING- to listen to. It's even gotten into middle- eastern pop music. (I don't mind modern ME pop at all, actually- I like it- but that one effect- Very annoying.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 11:21:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37095 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 18:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 18:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 18:21:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 18:21:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:21:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: want to record Disney in stereo but.... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 723 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I'm having problems recording 1110 KDIS from my listening post in El Cajon. With my SRF-42, I can hear the station (faint, but stereo is on) using headphones, but when I plug in the patch cable to the computer, it blanks out KDIS and I get sideband interference from a geographically close 1130. I don't have a Select-A-Tenna, and when I tried using another radio's tuner by way of inductive coupling or whatever that is to amplify KDIS, the station on 1130 got boosted instead and blanked 1110 out. Anyone have any suggestions for getting it done? I don't have an external antenna I can use with the SRF-42 and it's my only AM Stereo radio. Should I try recording it at night when my signal is all over the ballpark? From bjackson@indyradio.com Wed Sep 10 11:46:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89909 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 18:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 18:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 18:46:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 18:46:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:46:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007a01c377bc$fec77f70$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1157 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.218.40.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > And by the way, we still have cart machines in all studios. A MONO B.E. triple-stack deck that this computer monitor is sitting on top of here in the AM studio. FM studio has an ITC triple-stack deck, and the production room has an ITC stereo recorder and a stereo playback deck. Both sets of stereo machines are done in "matrixed" stereo.....the input and output are matrixed * SNIP * This kind of reminded me of a station I used to work for in Columbus, IN. It was WINN-FM and WKRP (now WNVI)-AM. Except, the cart decks were the other way around. The stereo decks were in the AM studio, and the CHR FM had the mono decks. This was done because, at the time, the guy who owned the stations, Pete Boise, sold and installed C-Quam gear and wanted to show off the AM to clients. Too bad these days the AM is mono, still playing Standards, but with only one channel of the audio board going to the STL...Which makes it very interesting when a stereo mix is played and you only hear one side of the recording! - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From bjackson@indyradio.com Wed Sep 10 11:49:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2876 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 18:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 18:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 18:49:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 18:49:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:49:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 641 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.218.40.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > You could also record four audio channels onto a standard cassette - - > but then it would only record or play in one direction. In fact, I > think some budget "studio" tape recorders used this method. I think Tascam provided a low end audio mixer with built-in tape deck that did that. > > I also recall a toy video camera which would record (in black & white) > onto *audio* cassettes. Anybody else remember that? Ah, yes! The Fisher-Price PixelVision Cam!!! lol Eleven minutes of the lowest definition video you've ever seen on a 90 minute tape. From stodd@vippn.com Wed Sep 10 12:07:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38672 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 19:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 19:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 19:07:31 -0000 Message-ID: <005b01c377cf$4a4e7fe0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} want to record Disney in stereo but.... Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:11:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sounds like whatever cable you're using is acting like a second antenna. One possible solution would be to go to Shady O' Rack and get a package of ferrite cores (two to a pack- about $8) and wrap the cord around one of those torroids on the SRF-42 side of things. That will act to block the antenna effect. Otherwise you will be stuck doing night recordings. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > I'm having problems recording 1110 KDIS from my listening post in El > Cajon. With my SRF-42, I can hear the station (faint, but stereo is > on) using headphones, but when I plug in the patch cable to the > computer, it blanks out KDIS and I get sideband interference from a > geographically close 1130. From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Sep 10 14:50:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54470 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 21:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 21:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 21:49:47 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.a3.48a870f1 (16930) for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:49:43 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBOC is NOT THE FUTURE of stereophonic AM! C-QUAM only! If you refuse to transmit C-QUAM, turn in your license to the FCC immediately! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Sep 10 15:23:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66073 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 22:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 22:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 22:23:27 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.182.202c01c7 (3996) for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <182.202c01c7.2c90fe58@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:23:20 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's the FCC Thinking? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Republicans on the FCC (especially Michael Powell) are not very bright, if you ask me. Doesn't it make you want to ditch Bush in 2004? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 15:34:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95450 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 22:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 22:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 22:34:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 22:34:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:34:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 538 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > You could also record four audio channels onto a standard cassette - > - > > but then it would only record or play in one direction. In fact, I > > think some budget "studio" tape recorders used this method. > > > I think Tascam provided a low end audio mixer with built-in tape deck > that did that. Right, Tascam, not Tasco. Swiss-cheese memory. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 15:47:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97722 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 22:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 22:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80507.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 22:47:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20030910224723.53271.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.46.138] by web80507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:47:23 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > Roger that, assuming you are speaking of analog AM > stereo, and not > stereo generically. Digital IBOC stereo is the road > the future for > stereo in the MW broadcast band. > > John Well only if we allow ONLY one station per frequency, and then it won't sound as good as a high fidelity analog signal. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 16:10:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74884 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 23:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 23:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80503.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 23:10:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20030910231047.78119.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.46.138] by web80503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:10:47 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > Better in fidelity is the Compact Cassette tape > developed by Phillips. The > Cassette was originally developed for dictation > machines, NOT for Hi-Fi. The > cassette tape is a miniature reel to reel tape that > has 2 stereo channels > recorded on 1/8" tape with a read / write speed of 1 > 7/8 IPS. While it was > never intended for music, the Compact Cassette can > sound quite good with > High Bias tape and Dolby HX Pro and Dolby C Noise > reduction. High Bias tape > and DBX noise reduction also sounds good. I have a deck with DBX (Technics) that has dolby and DBX I got on ebay, almost as new. I have yet to try it as DBX. It sparkles on standard tape with dolby. > The 8-track's Grandfather, The NAB cartridge has > been replaced by .WAV Cart > players in most radio stations, but is still in use > at the die hard analog > stations and non-computerized small budget small > market stations. We have ITC mono cart machines at WKDK. The Cart > has a 1/4" tape split into three tracks: Left, > Right, and Cue Tone. One track missing for mono, and stereo carts will reproduce in a mono machine minus one channel. It has a > read /write speed of 7 1/2 IPS. In the "Good ole > Days" of radio, the > commercials were recorded on NAB carts and when a > new 45 came in, it would > be recorded to Cart for airplay to preserve the > original record from > scratches and cue burns. The faster tape speed > greatly reduces the wow and > flutter heard in 8-Tracks. Because DJs are bad to > slam the carts into the > players, head alignment is an endless chore for the > engineer. Those ITC decks never had that problem... As far as I > know, Fidelipac is the only company that still > supports the format. Audiopak is recently out of business. The Cart Guys bought up his stock, and the Cart Guys are the Fidelipak folks now. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w6yn@juno.com Wed Sep 10 16:47:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64819 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 23:47:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 23:47:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 23:47:58 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCSR2fzODxipk7NOEnwz7hFk=">; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:47:41 PDT Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H9RMHR83; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:47:41 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:42:20 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stop the FCC!! Message-ID: <20030910.164600.120.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,8-9,11-12,16-19,21-23,25-68 From: W6YN Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn This organization is well recognized as a radical political activist group. They gain "members" by the method used here and then send radical left wing political materials to the new "members." One of their latest project is to save Gray Davis from being recalled by the voters of California. "MoveOn.org will not provide your contact information to any other organization except the MoveOn Political Action Committee. MoveOn.org will send you updates by e-mail." "Corporations" vs. "The People" has been well used to bring a popular tint to many special interest group causes and self serving politicians. I want AM stereo to be a success but I am also aware that AM broadcasting was dying. Then the big boys came along and now AM stations are worth money as an asset not the liability that many were a few years ago. Talk Radio also helped return listeners and value to AM sticks. Don PS Re: Howard Stern: Would you classify his program as entertainment? That would be "news" to me. ----------------------------- On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 03:32:02 -0000 "Amy Mousie" writes: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: > > The Bill Clinton love-fest lefties ( move on.org ) are behind > this? > > > > Now I'm worried!!! > > So is the Christian Coalition and thne NRA. Your point being? > > This is one nation of many voices, and the many should not be kept > from being spoken for by the few. This is WHY we have a First > Amendment, and it is WHY the national motto is "E Pluribus Unum"- > "Of > many, ONE". Let us not forget the many, for they are what makes > America. > > This is NOT a "Liberal" vs. "Conservative" issue, but > a "Corporations" vs. "The People" issue. > > The Corporations do NOT have the right to take away the right of The > > People to speak or dissent. The media concentration threatens > everyone from religious broadcasters to mom-and-pop commercials to > big-city independent broadcasters. > > Do you WANT there to be only 6 or 7 cortporations owning the 6000+ > (or is it 9000+?) broadcast stations in the US alone? > > I sure as Hell don't! I don't even like what it has become under the > > 1996 Telecommunications Act, which I opposed! > > These are the SAME corporations who turn off the C-QUAM and invest > heavily in IBOC! Do you want them to gain MORE power? > > If not, SIGN THE PETITION! > > For the future of broadcasting, and (hopefully) the future of AM > stereo, PLEASE do it! > > http://www.moveon.org/stopthefcc/ > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (And yes, I signed it.) From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed Sep 10 16:51:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73391 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2003 23:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2003 23:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2003 23:51:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2003 23:51:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:51:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Leonard Kahn is right-on target this time Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 317 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wa2fnq" X-Originating-IP: 24.47.74.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Does anyone know if Leonard plans to be at the NAB Radio Show?? He needs to be there and I'd really like to hook up with him and chat in person. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jon wrote: > > All said, he is a passionate and intelligent guy. Listen to what he says. > > Jon From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Sep 10 17:05:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22760 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 00:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 00:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 00:05:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 00:05:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:05:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's the FCC Thinking? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <182.202c01c7.2c90fe58@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 270 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.41 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > The Republicans on the FCC (especially Michael Powell) are not very > bright, if you ask me. Doesn't it make you want to ditch Bush in > 2004? Didn't Bill Clinton appoint Michael Powell to the FCC? John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 17:22:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30215 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 00:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 00:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 00:21:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 00:21:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:21:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What's the FCC Thinking? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 215 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Didn't Bill Clinton appoint Michael Powell to the FCC? Yes, on November 3, 1997 -- but it was President Bush who appointed him to be the FCC's Chairman on January 22, 2001, and that's when the real fun began. From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Sep 10 17:47:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78555 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 00:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 00:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 00:47:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:47:22 -0700 Received: from 172.158.14.209 by bay7-dav23.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:47:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:50:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2003 00:47:22.0429 (UTC) FILETIME=[42E63ED0:01C377FE] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.158.14.209] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: >C-QUAM only! If you refuse to transmit C-QUAM, turn in your license to the FCC immediately! What if your station has a talk format that has all Mono sources?......Or What if your station has a music format featuring songs from the 1950s or before that was recorded in MONO?.....Or What if your station has an older tube transmitter that cannot be made to run in C-QUAM and sound good?...Or What if your station has a directional array that will not pass a C-QUAM signal, but gains much from the use of Kahn PowerSide?...Or What if you or the engineer is a die-hard Kahn supporter who, FCC be damned, flipped the exciter from PowerSide back into the ISB Stereo mode?...Or What if your station decided to go with the superior CAM-D Digital system? Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Sep 10 17:47:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82441 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 00:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 00:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 00:47:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:47:26 -0700 Received: from 172.158.14.209 by bay7-dav49.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:47:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20030910030427.2026.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Leonard Kahn is right-on target this time Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:58:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2003 00:47:26.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[45451660:01C377FE] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.158.14.209] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > Forget about "Kerry for president"; "Leonard Kahn for president" - he's our man! Lenny has MY vote! He would certainly be the smartest president in history! Kevin From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Sep 10 17:47:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75377 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 00:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 00:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.95) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 00:47:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:47:28 -0700 Received: from 172.158.14.209 by bay7-dav38.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:47:28 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Leonard Kahn is right-on target this time Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:09:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2003 00:47:28.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[466DB7E0:01C377FE] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.158.14.209] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jon wrote: > As much crap as he gets, his systems/technologies are superior. But, his prices for the technology are insane. How true! NOTHING sounds like Kahn Audio Proccessing! The difference in sound is small between Orban, CRL, Innovonics, and what have you, but the sound of Kahn processing is so radically different with real sweet sound, yet louder'n hell modulation. A station with Kahn processing startles the listener at first, and makes the other AMs sound dull and lifeless in comparison without causing listener fatigue. Yup, Kahn stations blow a hole in the dial! It is too bad Kahn priced himself out of the market. Kevin From stodd@vippn.com Wed Sep 10 17:48:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56167 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 00:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 00:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 00:48:28 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c377fe$ea5a70a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <182.202c01c7.2c90fe58@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's the FCC Thinking? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:52:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No. Bush has a very mixed record, but considering what the other side has to offer, he's still the lesser of evils. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > The Republicans on the FCC (especially Michael Powell) are not very bright, > if you ask me. Doesn't it make you want to ditch Bush in 2004? > From rwagoner1@mac.com Wed Sep 10 17:48:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81171 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 00:48:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 00:48:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 00:48:50 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030911004850.PVYZ1598.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:48:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:48:48 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner > > Then, there's the whole issue of "Auto-Tune" -- an ingenious device > which electronically manipulates a singer's voice (or even an > instrument's sound) to be exactly on-pitch. When used in moderation, > the effect is unnoticeable, but when used to excess, you end up with > vocals that sound like Cher's "Believe" or like Faith Hill's current > pop hit (especially when she sings "blue-ue...", you can clearly hear > how her voice is manipulated to conform to a pre-programmed pitch > sequence). > OK, was something like this done (using a crude version) to get Bob Dylan's voice to sound, um, not quite so bad on Lay Lady Lay and Knockin' of Heaven's Door? From rwagoner1@mac.com Wed Sep 10 17:50:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68282 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 00:50:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 00:50:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 00:50:25 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030911005021.QIST22020.fed1mtao03.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:50:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:50:23 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} want to record Disney in stereo but.... Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Want me to record it for you? On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 11:21 AM, pianoplayer88key wrote: > I'm having problems recording 1110 KDIS from my listening post in El > Cajon. With my SRF-42, I can hear the station (faint, but stereo is > on) using headphones, but when I plug in the patch cable to the > computer, it blanks out KDIS and I get sideband interference from a > geographically close 1130. I don't have a Select-A-Tenna, and when I > tried using another radio's tuner by way of inductive coupling or > whatever that is to amplify KDIS, the station on 1130 got boosted > instead and blanked 1110 out. > > Anyone have any suggestions for getting it done? I don't have an > external antenna I can use with the SRF-42 and it's my only AM Stereo > radio. Should I try recording it at night when my signal is all over > the ballpark? > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 18:02:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49065 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 01:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 01:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 01:02:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 01:02:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:02:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stop the FCC!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030910.164600.120.0.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1372 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > This organization is well recognized as a radical political activist > group. They gain "members" by the method used here and then send radical > left wing political materials to the new "members." One of their latest > project is to save Gray Davis from being recalled by the voters of > California. Imagine, if you will, that after every election, tghe losing party files for recall of the winning party's candidate. This is EXACTLY what happened here in California. While I don't think our governor is at fault for the bugetary woes here (ESPECIALLY the power crisis!), he isn';t that great of a leader, either, and that's not a good enough reason to recall. This is why I have voted "no" on the recall, and chose a candidate I think would be effective. (Not Schwartzenegger, not with HIS connections!) Recalls are necessary, but should NOT be so easy as to be the tool of sore losers. The Republicans called for this recall, and now have made the electoral process in California the laughing stock of the whole country. That is not right. (Sincerest apologies for the OT political response- I try to avoid discussing politics where it doesn't belong, unless it's germaine to the focus of the forum it's discussed in- In this case, the FCC and radio.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 18:04:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85641 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 01:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 01:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 01:04:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 01:04:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:04:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's the FCC Thinking? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > The Republicans on the FCC (especially Michael Powell) are not very > > bright, if you ask me. Doesn't it make you want to ditch Bush in > > 2004? > > Didn't Bill Clinton appoint Michael Powell to the FCC? Nope; Bush did, in 2001. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 18:17:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7865 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 01:17:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 01:17:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 01:17:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 01:17:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:17:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1571 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > n0uiheric@a... wrote: > >C-QUAM only! If you refuse to transmit C-QUAM, turn in your license to the > FCC immediately! > > What if your station has a talk format that has all Mono sources?......Or Most source material is fortunately stereo, except for syndicated/networked news/talk shows. I have heard a few talk stations run everything in mono except the commercials and local IDs/bumpers/jingles while broadcasting in stereo. > What if your station has a music format featuring songs from the 1950s or > before that was recorded in MONO?.....Or I have a good deal of true-stereo recordings from the 1930s to the 1950s. :) Most were from movies, though. > What if your station has an older tube transmitter that cannot be made to > run in C-QUAM and sound good?...Or One word: KEVA. 'Nuff said. :) > What if your station has a directional array that will not pass a C- QUAM > signal, but gains much from the use of Kahn PowerSide?...Or > What if you or the engineer is a die-hard Kahn supporter who, FCC be damned, > flipped the exciter from PowerSide back into the ISB Stereo mode?...Or > What if your station decided to go with the superior CAM-D Digital system? All interrelated, here-- If the antenna array can't pass C-QUAM, it won't pass Kahn's systems, either. Why? All the systems employ phasing. If the array can't pass C-QUAM, it's because it's not properly phased, or the array phase interferes with the phased RF signal. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 18:22:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43823 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 01:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 01:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 01:22:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 01:22:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:22:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 899 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > > > Then, there's the whole issue of "Auto-Tune" -- an ingenious device > > which electronically manipulates a singer's voice (or even an > > instrument's sound) to be exactly on-pitch. When used in moderation, > > the effect is unnoticeable, but when used to excess, you end up with > > vocals that sound like Cher's "Believe" or like Faith Hill's current > > pop hit (especially when she sings "blue-ue...", you can clearly hear > > how her voice is manipulated to conform to a pre-programmed pitch > > sequence). > > > OK, was something like this done (using a crude version) to get Bob > Dylan's voice to sound, um, not quite so bad on Lay Lady Lay and > Knockin' of Heaven's Door? No; those were recorded more than 30 years ago. It's jus Bob Dylan actually -singing-, that's all. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Sep 10 18:44:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84293 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 01:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 01:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 01:44:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 01:44:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:44:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 572 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" < possumhunter@n...> wrote: > What if your station has an older tube transmitter that cannot be > made to run in C-QUAM and sound good?...Or If you can't afford to buy a decent transmitter, then you aren't qualified to be entrusted with a broadcast license. > What if your station has a directional array that will not pass a > C-QUAM signal, Any station that requires that sort of directional array shouldn't have been allowed on the air in the first place, you should turn in your license immediately. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Sep 10 19:17:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60035 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 02:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 02:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 02:16:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 02:16:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:16:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's the FCC Thinking? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 540 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > > The Republicans on the FCC (especially Michael Powell) are not > very > > > bright, if you ask me. Doesn't it make you want to ditch Bush in > > > 2004? > > > > Didn't Bill Clinton appoint Michael Powell to the FCC? > > Nope; Bush did, in 2001. OK, we have two votes that it was Clinton, and now one for Bush. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 20:01:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69942 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 03:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 03:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 03:01:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 03:01:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 03:01:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: directional arrays Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 562 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.131 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Any station that requires that sort of directional array shouldn't > have been allowed on the air in the first place, you should turn in > your license immediately. You forgot to add the HTML and tags, John... but it's true that no other country in the world is so reliant upon directional AM arrays as the USA. Elsewhere in the world, directional arrays are mostly used to focus a station's signal upon a selected area -- not to "protect" neighboring stations from each other with the goal of squeezing more stations on the air. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 20:33:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65945 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 03:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 03:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 03:33:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 03:33:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 03:33:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: directional arrays Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 710 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Any station that requires that sort of directional array shouldn't > > have been allowed on the air in the first place, you should turn in > > your license immediately. > > You forgot to add the HTML and tags, John... but > it's true that no other country in the world is so reliant upon > directional AM arrays as the USA. Elsewhere in the world, > directional arrays are mostly used to focus a station's signal upon > a selected area -- not to "protect" neighboring stations from each > other with the goal of squeezing more stations on the air. I believe they do so in Europe. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Sep 10 21:50:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5285 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 04:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 04:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 04:50:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 04:49:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 04:49:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: directional arrays Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 839 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > Any station that requires that sort of directional array > > > shouldn't have been allowed on the air in the first place, you > > > should turn in your license immediately. > > > > You forgot to add the HTML and tags, John... > > but it's true that no other country in the world is so reliant > > upon directional AM arrays as the USA. Elsewhere in the world, > > directional arrays are mostly used to focus a station's signal > > upon a selected area -- not to "protect" neighboring stations from > > each other with the goal of squeezing more stations on the air. > > I believe they do so in Europe. You believe they do which in Europe? John From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 21:58:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30249 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 04:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 04:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 04:58:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 04:58:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 04:58:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5124 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "alfredotorrejon" X-Originating-IP: 216.99.198.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > A survey by The Consumer Electronics Association in the U.S. > shows that consumers are good and ready for satellite and digital > radio. I'd say that just a summary of the results isn't very meaningful because the survey can intentionally be written to elicit a desired response from the participants. Below are my guesses to how this study might have been biased... > It shows that 94% listen to the radio in their cars, and 67% > of those believe the sound quality of their radios is not as > good as that of CDs. * Question 1: Do you ever listen to the radio while in the car? (yes/no) Many people will answer yes because nearly all cars these days have radios, and any period of listening, no matter how short, would count. * Question 2: Do you think that the sound quality on your radio is as good as that of your CDs? (yes/no) If written that way, the question leads the respondent to assume that CDs are a standard of "good" sound. However, even if this question were not biased, I think that most laypersons would say that the radio doesn't sound as good as CDs, with their rationale being that radio is subject to interference from a variety of sources and that distant radio stations sound "fuzzy," whereas CDs don't have these issues. [If I were to get a survey question like this, I would also say that radio sound quality isn't as good as that of CDs, but my rationale would be different. I would be looking at it from an engineering standpoint, and I would base my rationale on the fact that radio has a poorer signal-to-noise ratio, higher distortion, and narrower frequency response than CDs do. So, ironically, I think that the laypeople gave the right answer on this one, though their lack of understanding of the technical issues involved makes them vulnerable to marketing hype about the quality differences between competing types of media.] > Obviously young listeners are more likely to be interested in > digital or satellite radio. 49% of listeners are interested in > radio with CD quality sound, and women (51%) are more interested > than men (46%) in satellite radio. * Question 3: Would you visit a dealer to listen to a digital/satellite radio? (yes/no) "Young listeners" is a vague term, and if the question were written as above, a younger (and presumably more naiive) person would probably think, "why not? New stuff is cool, and if I don't like it, I don't have to buy anything." An older person is probably more set in his ways, and if he likes what he's already hearing, say on NPR, he probably wouldn't see it as worthwhile to explore other types of radio media, especially given that if he goes into that hypothetical dealer to listen to a digital radio, a high-pressure salesman might appear to convince him to buy some high-priced doo-dads. I don't know why there was a gender gap in the survey or if it is even statistically significant. * Question 4: Would you buy a radio that promised to sound as good as your CDs? (yes/no) Slightly less than half of the people actually said yes to this one, so I wouldn't be surprised if this question had actually asked about purchasing a new radio. Now, there people out there who have a very strong devotion to certain radio shows or stations and would rather put up with a noisy signal or turn the radio off than listen to something else. I've known of several occasions where people might: 1) Fidget endlessly with the antenna and tuning knob to hear a favorite music station at work--trying to minimize the effects of stray RF from nearby commercial equipment and the diminished signal strength inside of a reinforced-concrete building. 2) Put up with weak FM signals in rural areas. 3) Put up with noisy signals on AM (due to skywave interference and the desired station dropping its power) to hear a favorite talkshow host. 4) Buy a C-Crane radio. People showing this kind of loyalty to a radio station or show (especially the group of people in #4) might be sold on a new radio that promised to get rid of the interference. > The study also claims a lot of interest in radios that display > information, such as weather reports (62%), traffic > updates (51%), and song title and artist (50%). * Question 5: Would a text display offering a weather report be useful to you? (yes/no) * Question 6: Would a text display offering traffic reports be useful to you? (yes/no) * Question 7: Would a text display offering the title and artist of the selection currently playing be useful to you? (yes/no) If nothing is said about the cost of these features, most people would find them pretty cool. I'd expect question 6 to score lower than 5 because not everybody drives. I'm not too surprised by the low score on #7. ...Just my opinion on this survey. Alfredo P.S.: If anyone has tried to contact me recently, your e-mail probably bounced or never reached me. This is because my (former) ISP, Internet Arena, went out of business. You can now reach me at alfredo_t74@hotmail.com From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Sep 10 22:10:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14868 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 05:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 05:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.95) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 05:10:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:10:43 -0700 Received: from 172.170.94.131 by bay7-dav38.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 05:10:42 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:07:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2003 05:10:43.0172 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CE04A40:01C37823] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.170.94.131] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 bta_50g wrote: > If you can't afford to buy a decent transmitter, then you aren't qualified to be entrusted with a broadcast license. There are many good transmitters that do not work well with C-QUAM, such as the Gates VP-50 or RCA Ampliphase transmitters. > > Any station that requires that sort of directional array shouldn't have been allowed on the air in the first place, you should turn in your license immediately. Somehow, I doubt WOR will be doing that anytime soon! Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 22:14:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71320 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 05:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 05:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 05:14:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 05:14:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 05:14:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: directional arrays Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.131 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You believe they do which in Europe? Yes. [Non-facetious portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 23:59:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32225 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 06:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 06:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 06:59:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 06:59:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:59:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 407 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "alfredotorrejon" wrote: > P.S.: If anyone has tried to contact me recently, your e-mail > probably bounced or never reached me. This is because my (former) > ISP, Internet Arena, went out of business. You can now reach me at > alfredo_t74@h... If I recall, your C-QUAM pages were on that ISP- Have you put them elsewhere? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 00:00:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11338 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 07:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 07:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 07:00:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 07:00:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:00:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 445 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > bta_50g wrote: > > If you can't afford to buy a decent transmitter, then you aren't qualified > to be entrusted with a broadcast license. > > There are many good transmitters that do not work well with C-QUAM, such as > the Gates VP-50 or RCA Ampliphase transmitters. And KEVA is using a Gates, running C-QUAM, and seems to be doing fine. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jim@burgan.net Thu Sep 11 05:19:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73286 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 12:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 12:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-3.iquest.net) (206.246.180.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 12:19:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 82609 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 12:19:30 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-3.iquest.net with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 12:19:30 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-97.iquest.net [209.43.58.97]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AMM75417; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:19:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004101c3785e$f2d28e10$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:19:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Then, there's the whole issue of "Auto-Tune" -- an ingenious device > > which electronically manipulates a singer's voice (or even an > > instrument's sound) to be exactly on-pitch. When used in > >moderation, > > the effect is unnoticeable, but when used to excess, you end up > >with > > vocals that sound like Cher's "Believe" or like Faith Hill's > >current > > pop hit (especially when she sings "blue-ue...", you can clearly > >hear > > how her voice is manipulated to conform to a pre-programmed pitch > > sequence). > > This is done deliberately, for that "techno" sound, and yes, I do > agree-- It is -ANNOYING- to listen to. It's even gotten into middle- > eastern pop music. (I don't mind modern ME pop at all, actually- I > like it- but that one effect- Very annoying.) While Cher's used "Auto Tune" to create a style (as did Uncle Kracker on "Follow Me"), it is still a tool invented for the purpose of tweaking singers back on key when they miss the boat. It's been around for a long time (the technology may be newer, but they've had ways to tweak a singer back in tune for years). There are many bands that toured in the 70's that couldn't carry a tune in a bucket live (I'm gonna get flamed for this one, but CSN&Y was one such band... Grand Funk was another) but sounded great on their studio stuff, thanks to "auto-tune". From jim@burgan.net Thu Sep 11 05:46:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54722 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 12:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 12:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-4.iquest.net) (206.246.180.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 12:46:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 38659 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 12:46:40 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-4.iquest.net with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 12:46:40 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-97.iquest.net [209.43.58.97]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AMM79625; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:46:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004e01c37862$bfbcdea0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <182.202c01c7.2c90fe58@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's the FCC Thinking? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:46:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > The Republicans on the FCC (especially Michael Powell) are not very bright, > if you ask me. Doesn't it make you want to ditch Bush in 2004? It's not Powell or Bush specifically I'd like to ditch.... I'd rather ditch all of them in Washington. Dubya has already sealed his fate to become the answer to a trivia question: (what father & son presidents had the highest approval ratings ever known to man, yet failed to with their re-election bid?). Dubya will be a another one-hit wonder because the economy is still in the toilet, the war rages on (with no end in sight) and (most of all) out budget deficit now surpasses anything that even Ronald Regan could dreamed up (on the heels of a 5 year balanced budget). It doesn't matter that the money is allocated and spent by congress or that this recession actually began under Mr. Dress-Stainer, Dubya will not get re-elected. However as easy as it is to blame the current mess of radio deregulation on the Republicans (after all, Bush did appoint Powell to the top spot of the FCC), the most damaging deregulation took place under Bill Clinton's watch.... I can't in good conscience vote for any of the current batch of Democratic candidates, and I won't support Dubya (although I did the first time) so what's a man to do? Looks like it's back to the Libertarian party again. Forgive me for raving... I know how annoying political posts are on a non-political board so I'll shut up. From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 11 06:42:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66465 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 13:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 13:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 13:42:02 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c3786a$fc5066e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:45:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Huh? KDAY ran a VP-50 when they were stereo, didn't they? It's a high-level rig, and those are fairly easy to convert. As for the Ampliphase, the older 50kW ones could go stereo, though it was futile on the 5kW. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > There are many good transmitters that do not work well with C-QUAM, such as > the Gates VP-50 or RCA Ampliphase transmitters. From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 11 06:43:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 857 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 13:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 13:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 13:43:12 -0000 Message-ID: <003701c3786b$26b5fa80$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:46:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I thought it was a McMartin... ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > And KEVA is using a Gates, running C-QUAM, and seems to be doing fine. From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 11 06:49:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79048 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 13:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 13:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 13:49:29 -0000 Message-ID: <004101c3786c$075ad420$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <004101c3785e$f2d28e10$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:53:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude So THAT'S what that is. When La Pantera still had their 7 hours a day on KYCR, they had a really good song, Te Sigo Amando by Los Guardianes del Amor which used that. I thought it sounded so cool. As for CSN&Y- especially the Y part! ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > > > Then, there's the whole issue of "Auto-Tune" -- an ingenious device > > > which electronically manipulates a singer's voice (or even an > > > instrument's sound) to be exactly on-pitch. When used in > > >moderation, > > > the effect is unnoticeable, but when used to excess, you end up > > >with > > > vocals that sound like Cher's "Believe" or like Faith Hill's > > >current > > > pop hit > > > > This is done deliberately, for that "techno" sound, > There are many bands that toured in the 70's that > couldn't carry a tune in a bucket live (I'm gonna get flamed for this one, > but CSN&Y was one such band... Grand Funk was another) but sounded great on > their studio stuff, thanks to "auto-tune". From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Sep 11 06:53:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1638 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 13:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 13:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 13:53:31 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:53:31 -0600 Message-ID: <001401c3786c$15cfd910$5401010a@AM> To: References: <003701c3786b$26b5fa80$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:53:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I musta missed Amy's message. You're right Scott. It IS a McMartian :) And yes it sounds fine. Judging from the comments I've seen from engineers, though, I must have it pretty easy. Seems that AM Stereo was more of a pain in the butt with multi-directional antenna arrays and so forth. I'm just a graveyarder on 1240. One tower. Same power day and night. Nothing fancy. So that probably makes it a lot easier. Michael n Wyo KEVA Country AM Stereo 1240 Evanston, Wyoming ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 7:46 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound I thought it was a McMartin... ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > And KEVA is using a Gates, running C-QUAM, and seems to be doing fine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Sep 11 08:57:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76808 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 15:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 15:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 15:57:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 15:57:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:57:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2964 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" < possumhunter@n...> wrote: > bta_50g wrote: > > If you can't afford to buy a decent transmitter, then you aren't > > qualified to be entrusted with a broadcast license. > > There are many good transmitters that do not work well with C-QUAM, > such as the Gates VP-50 or RCA Ampliphase transmitters. You aren't going to get an argument from me on that, but the OPs premise was that if you couldn't run C-Quam you should turn in your license, in that context these transmitters would not qualify as decent transmitters, however great they might be for monophonic operations, assuming you aren't bothered by the power bill. > > Any station that requires that sort of directional array shouldn't > > have been allowed on the air in the first place, you should turn > > in your license immediately. > > Somehow, I doubt WOR will be doing that anytime soon! Do we even know that WOR's array is the sort of directional array that has serious problems of that type? Or more importantly do we know that the new WOR array will suffer this sort of problem? I could be wrong, but I think the WOR array was originally built back in the 1930s to increase the signal strength over the target markets, not to protect other stations, although I could be wrong on that. Obviously over the years as the band has become more crowded, it has also taken on a protective function, but due to its original function, the protection it provides is not nearly as great as many other directional arrays. An interesting point about the "phase problems" of directional arrays that I don't hear discussed much is that there are two sources of "phase problems". The first is from the array itself, the placement of the towers, and the relative current amplitudes and phases in each tower, and the resultant field pattern that is created. The second problem is additional effects created by a non ideal phasor. I'm not an expert on phasors, but I assume there is a conflict in phasor design between maintaining the desired field pattern over the entire 20 kHz channel, and maintaining the linear phase response that would be nice for perfect fidelity. What I am referring to is not any inherent conflict in what an "ideal" phasor design might be, but rather further compromises in the phasor design, made for economic, or other, reasons. I know of at least one case, and I assume there are others, where the consultant designed the array and phasor, and the phasor was put out for bid. When the phasor arrived on site, it was found that the manufacturer had replaced some of the large capacitors in the consultants original design with series L-C combinations, to eliminate the large capacitors, presumably for economic reasons. This may be just fine at the carrier frequency, but I can't imagine that this sort of change helps the bandwidth of the system, although I suppose it might? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Sep 11 09:00:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69397 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 16:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 16:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 16:00:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 16:00:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:00:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 665 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" > wrote: > > bta_50g wrote: > > > If you can't afford to buy a decent transmitter, then you aren't > > > qualified to be entrusted with a broadcast license. > > > > There are many good transmitters that do not work well with > > C-QUAM, such as the Gates VP-50 or RCA Ampliphase transmitters. > > And KEVA is using a Gates, running C-QUAM, and seems to be doing > fine. It's getting kind of hard to keep all the players here straight, but I thought KEVA was using a McMartin transmitter, not a Gates? John From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Sep 11 09:23:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55194 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 16:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 16:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 16:23:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 16:23:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:23:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's the FCC Thinking? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004e01c37862$bfbcdea0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3434 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I guess Marv, Jeff, myself and any other Canadians in this forum are saying to ourselves - whew - lucky for us we're in Canada. With that nationalistic statement having been made, and basking in the health of the Canadian economy [although SARS, B.C. forest fires etc. have slowed things down some, we Canadians are saying recession? what recession?] and the economy here in PEI is booming - lowest unemployment rate PEI has ever had, we have had our share off off beat politicians, wacko bureaucrats, budget defeceits etc. in the past. Happy times will come south of the border too. As well, we're both in the Afghanistan adventure too. This is why everyone in this forum should rally behind the "Kerry Richard's, CE for President campaign" just so long as he makes some pro CQUAM speeches as well as singing IBOC's praises. Perhaps some phasing and directional arrays are needed in the Oval Office. Perhaps the South Lawn needs some ground radials. Yes, and Amy should run for Governor of California. Just caught up in the PEI election campaign - who will it be, Pat Binns or Robert Ghiz for Premier? Will the Legislative Assembly be as lopsided as last time, 25 Tories and 1 Grit? Will any NDP candidates NOT loose their deposit? Will the Charlottetown Rocket do well in their inaugral season on the ice at the Civic Centre? Will the MBS/Newcap LMA get broken up by the CRTC next year? Will the AM Stereo gear lurking at the nearly 40 year old CFCY site get trucked to CHTN's modern site, so AM Stereo will issue forth like a fountain of fidelity from this fair Isle, providing lawful, healthy splatter for WOR's many Atlantic Canadian nighttime listeners? Stay tuned... Phil R. P.S. Who will be Kerry's running mate? Tom? Too obvious. Kevin T.? IBOC John? [for the benefit of IBOC John, this IS a joke after all]. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > The Republicans on the FCC (especially Michael Powell) are not very > bright, > > if you ask me. Doesn't it make you want to ditch Bush in 2004? > > It's not Powell or Bush specifically I'd like to ditch.... I'd rather ditch > all of them in Washington. > Dubya has already sealed his fate to become the answer to a trivia question: > (what father & son presidents had the highest approval ratings ever known to > man, yet failed to with their re-election bid?). > Dubya will be a another one-hit wonder because the economy is still in the > toilet, the war rages on (with no end in sight) and (most of all) out budget > deficit now surpasses anything that even Ronald Regan could dreamed up (on > the heels of a 5 year balanced budget). It doesn't matter that the money is > allocated and spent by congress or that this recession actually began under > Mr. Dress-Stainer, Dubya will not get re-elected. > However as easy as it is to blame the current mess of radio deregulation on > the Republicans (after all, Bush did appoint Powell to the top spot of the > FCC), the most damaging deregulation took place under Bill Clinton's > watch.... > I can't in good conscience vote for any of the current batch of Democratic > candidates, and I won't support Dubya (although I did the first time) so > what's a man to do? Looks like it's back to the Libertarian party again. > Forgive me for raving... I know how annoying political posts are on a > non-political board so I'll shut up. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 09:35:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79150 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 16:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 16:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 16:35:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 16:35:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:35:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c3786c$15cfd910$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 316 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > I musta missed Amy's message. You're right Scott. It IS a McMartian :) Damn, I thought it was a Gates. Oh, well, what do you expect from a mouse but a swiss-cheese memory. :P I'll crawl into my hole, now. :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 09:42:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98341 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 16:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 16:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 16:42:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 16:42:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:42:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c3786b$26b5fa80$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 288 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I thought it was a McMartin... Yes, I believe KEVA is using a "McMartian". :-) I wonder what the oldest transmitter in regular use today is... I know WLW has their original 1927 rig in fully operable condition, but it's only a backup-backup-backup-backup or for special occasions. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 09:46:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64056 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 16:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 16:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 16:46:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 16:46:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:46:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's the FCC Thinking? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 644 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "tubesareking" wrote: =snip= > Yes, and Amy should run for Governor of California. Umm, ah... No, thanks. :) Thanks for the thought, but it's already a circus here, and I just voted absentee. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (I would like to hear more large regional AMS stations here on the West Coast, though-- Right now, the clearest AMS stations are in (!) Canada (600 and 1040 in BC; 1060 in AB) as well as KNX in L.A. (1070). Radio, as heard here in the redwoods, is nowhere near what it was like many, many years ago, when you could get many powerhouses in stereo all across the band.) From w6yn@juno.com Thu Sep 11 09:46:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65823 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 16:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 16:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 16:46:56 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCeAx7Kv3fXetUXXV99SocbI=">; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:46:22 PDT Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H9TFS2KW; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:46:22 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:44:28 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: directional arrays Message-ID: <20030911.094430.1172.0.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-7 From: W6YN Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Of course! On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 05:14:28 -0000 "Kevin T." writes: > > You believe they do which in Europe? > > > Yes. > From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Sep 11 11:26:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88294 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 18:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 18:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 18:26:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 18:25:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:25:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 589 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.173 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I thought it was a McMartin... > > Yes, I believe KEVA is using a "McMartian". :-) > > I wonder what the oldest transmitter in regular use today is... I > know WLW has their original 1927 rig in fully operable condition, > but it's only a backup-backup-backup-backup or for special > occasions. It's been so extensively rebuilt and modernized over the years that I have to wonder if any of the original 1927 parts are left? Even the skins seem to have been replaced with more modern looking ones. John From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 11:57:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10588 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 18:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 18:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 18:57:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 18:57:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:57:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} want to record Disney in stereo but.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1981 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key That would be fine if you wanted to upload it to the forum too, but I was wanting to record it from my QTH now that 1170 has moved their TX and isn't interfering with it anymore, and my SRF-42 will get it in stereo. I just want to figure out how to make it so that the audio cable from the SRF42's headphone jack to the computer's line in jack doesn't change the reception of the radio. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > Want me to record it for you? > > On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 11:21 AM, pianoplayer88key wrote: > > > I'm having problems recording 1110 KDIS from my listening post in El > > Cajon. With my SRF-42, I can hear the station (faint, but stereo is > > on) using headphones, but when I plug in the patch cable to the > > computer, it blanks out KDIS and I get sideband interference from a > > geographically close 1130. I don't have a Select-A-Tenna, and when I > > tried using another radio's tuner by way of inductive coupling or > > whatever that is to amplify KDIS, the station on 1130 got boosted > > instead and blanked 1110 out. > > > > Anyone have any suggestions for getting it done? I don't have an > > external antenna I can use with the SRF-42 and it's my only AM Stereo > > radio. Should I try recording it at night when my signal is all over > > the ballpark? > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ---------------------~--> > > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > > Printer at Myinks.com. 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Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 12:40:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39923 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 19:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 19:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 19:40:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20030911194038.22759.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.251.206] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:40:38 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Technics SA 202 on Ebay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <182.202c01c7.2c90fe58@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone mentioned about these recievers if they were AM Stereo on this list? Theres one on ebay with AM Stereo http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3046515636&category=3279 copy and pasted if truncuated. Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 11 14:58:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81560 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 21:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 21:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 21:58:17 -0000 Message-ID: <002701c378b0$4fdbfbe0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030911194038.22759.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Technics SA 202 on Ebay Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:01:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sorry, but that RX is a typical victim of mislabeling. Doubtless would be an easy conversion, though. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Ross" > > Someone mentioned about these recievers if they were AM Stereo on this list? > > Theres one on ebay with AM Stereo From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 11 15:00:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20813 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 22:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 22:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 22:00:19 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c378b0$98f55ce0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:03:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yes it could, and not necessarily for the better. Your hunch was right on. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "bta_50g" I know of at least one case, and I assume there are > others, where the consultant designed the array and phasor, and the > phasor was put out for bid. When the phasor arrived on site, it was > found that the manufacturer had replaced some of the large capacitors > in the consultants original design with series L-C combinations, to > eliminate the large capacitors, presumably for economic reasons. This > may be just fine at the carrier frequency, but I can't imagine that > this sort of change helps the bandwidth of the system, although I > suppose it might? > > John From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 11 15:29:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24842 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 22:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 22:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 22:29:17 -0000 Message-ID: <003801c378b4$a4edcc40$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: HD demo Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:31:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got a chance to hear my first HD-FM demo this afternoon. Orban/CRL brought in a big trailer and motor home with all kinds of their equipment in it to kind of kick off HD transmissions on our local classical pubcaster, KSJN. In areas with bad multipath it doesn't break up like the analog signal. I know the capture ratio in my Ford radio is high enough that much of the breakup we were hearing on the Kenwood in analog wouldn't have been heard in my car. I wish I had something like a Digiceiver to compare analog reception vs the digital on the Kenwood. Perhaps a receiver side solution would be just as good. Where the analog signal was good, there was little discernable difference. Perhaps in areas like SF or Seattle it might help, but I think the folks who dubbed it a solution in search of a problem are absolutely right. Oh, and yes, my radio stops at least on the lower digital sideband of KSJN. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 17:16:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60097 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 00:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 00:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80510.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 00:16:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20030912001627.87438.qmail@web80510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.45.235] by web80510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:16:27 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > There are many good transmitters that do not work > well with C-QUAM, such as > the Gates VP-50 or RCA Ampliphase transmitters. There aren't many of those around. The old WHYZ 1070 now WCSZ (or whatever the calls are ) retired that for a MW-50 and may have the DX-50 on if everything went well... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Sep 11 17:40:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2410 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 00:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 00:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 00:40:54 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.69.3bf9906c (16930) for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <69.3bf9906c.2c92700c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:40:44 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's the FCC Thinking? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I were you, I wouldn't support the lawless Libretarians. They favor a totally unregulated environment in which discrimination would increase, the media would be in even worse attack mode than we are dealing with now, and commercial radio and TV will become depositories for sex-driven trash and corporate lies. Corporate corruption will increase under a Libretarian regime. I won't support Bush again, not after what illegal and unconstitutional FCC deregulation did to my radio career and those of thousands of others, many of whom are more qualified than those corporate radio has hired. I won't support a pro-terrorist candidate like Howard Dean, but I could choose between pro-union Dick Gephardt, Joe Lieberman or John Kerry. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 18:10:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87429 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 01:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 01:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 01:10:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2003 01:10:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:10:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: want to record Disney in stereo but.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1548 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I just want to figure out how to make it so that the audio cable > from the SRF42's headphone jack to the computer's line in jack > doesn't change the reception of the radio. In some cases, that may be impossible. The electronics inside any computer cause radio interference across a wide range of frequencies. Some generate less interference than others, because of better circuit design or better shielding of the case, but they all cause it to some extent. And when you plug in your Walkman to the computer's sound card, the interference travels through the wire, right into your radio. On many computers and radios, it's bad enough to even wipe out FM reception. You can reduce this problem, but it can never really be eliminated totally. The best choice for making recordings of AM radio is really to first record it on a high-quality cassette deck (preferably using High Bias tape with Dolby B or C NR), and then just play back the tape when you want to record it on your computer as a WAV or MP3 file. The bonus is that in addition to much less chance of interference, you also get to listen to the tape recording at any time, not just on your computer. Cassette tapes may not be the most elegant or technologically advanced recording medium, but they get the job done with a minimum of trouble and cost, and when properly cared for, they remain useable for decades -- unlike computer files, which can be lost in a crash or virus attack, and unlike CD-Rs, whose long-term lifespan is still a big question mark. From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Sep 11 18:11:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: possumhunter@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87790 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 01:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 01:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 01:11:11 -0000 Received: from logs-wq.proxy.aol.com (logs-wq.proxy.aol.com [205.188.200.132]) by rly-ip03.mx.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id RELAYIN9-a3f611d052db; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:10:29 -0400 Received: from ibm (AC857CF1.ipt.aol.com [172.133.124.241]) by logs-wq.proxy.aol.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h8C17pw8447190 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:07:52 GMT Message-ID: <009601c378c9$eb015ac0$f17c85ac@aoldsl.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:05:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Apparently-From: DodgeRamTrucker@aol.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.200.132 From: "Possum Hunter" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Amy Mousie wrote: > And KEVA is using a Gates, running C-QUAM, and seems to be doing fine. Well, a Gates VP-50 would be one way to overcome the QRM on a graveyard channel! Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 19:05:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78669 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 02:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 02:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80510.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 02:05:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20030912020517.9788.qmail@web80510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.116] by web80510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:05:17 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <009601c378c9$eb015ac0$f17c85ac@aoldsl.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Well, a Gates VP-50 would be one way to overcome the > QRM on a graveyard > channel! > Kevin Naaahh! Too feeble. A DX-2000 will do it... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 19:09:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34972 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 02:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 02:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 02:09:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2003 02:09:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 02:09:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: want to record Disney in stereo but.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1126 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I thought about doing it like that but I was kinda wanting to have it all done in one shot. Could I possibly go from the output of the SRF-42 to the input of the stereo, and from the output of the stereo to the input of the computer? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > The best choice for making recordings of AM radio is really to first > record it on a high-quality cassette deck (preferably using High Bias > tape with Dolby B or C NR), and then just play back the tape when you > want to record it on your computer as a WAV or MP3 file. The bonus > is that in addition to much less chance of interference, you also get > to listen to the tape recording at any time, not just on your > computer. > > Cassette tapes may not be the most elegant or technologically > advanced recording medium, but they get the job done with a minimum > of trouble and cost, and when properly cared for, they remain useable > for decades -- unlike computer files, which can be lost in a crash or > virus attack, and unlike CD-Rs, whose long-term lifespan is still a > big question mark. From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Sep 11 19:23:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95417 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 02:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 02:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.114) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 02:23:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:23:00 -0700 Received: from 172.133.124.241 by bay7-dav10.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 02:22:59 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20030912020517.9788.qmail@web80510.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:20:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2003 02:23:00.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[C93C7BD0:01C378D4] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.133.124.241] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Naaahh! Too feeble. A DX-2000 will do it... All jokes aside, I do know of a Graveyard station in GA that is running a Harris SX-5 at full tilt! I figure the FCC will nail 'em sooner or later. Kevin From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 19:29:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4529 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 02:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 02:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 02:29:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2003 02:29:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 02:29:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: anyone know of a good portable audio recorder < $50-$70? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1466 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I'm trying to find a decent portable audio recorder on a limited budget. Voice recorders are too low of a quality (and too expensive for the lack of quality, although they DO often have plenty of recording time), a cassette recorder might be acceptable but the quality is marginal (a couple Sony walkman/pressman models rated high freq response at 6300Hz). Minidisc might be an option, too, but they're not cheap. I'm looking at spending no more than $50 or so. At this point it looks like I'm limited to an analog cassette recorder for the best compromise between recording time, audio quality, and price. So.... here's what I'm looking for basically (assuming it's digital): (btw if analog cassette, NOT micro!) at least 1 - 1.5 hour solid recording time. (total recording time to be limited by available memory) if PCM WAV, 16-bit; if mp3, at least 96kbit/sec. stereo not required but would be very nice, also would prefer a mic to be included with it (stereo if the player supports it) sample rate - preferably at least 16KHz or 22KHz for stereo, 32KHz or 44KHz for mono. (actual frequency response at the high end would be 1/2 the sample rate) if it doesn't have much built-in memory, then I want it to be able to take a high-capacity CompactFlash card. I don't need a radio tuner, PDA stuff, etc. I do need to be able to fit it in my pocket, or in my backpack without it taking up much room. Oh, by the way, can you plug a mic into a line-in jack? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 20:17:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70036 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 03:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 03:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 03:17:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2003 03:17:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 03:17:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Patriotic distortion Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 311 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Off-topic (and not even in stereo), but one listen to this little song, and you'll either laugh or cry: http://www.aspma.com/mp3/00087__OurThanksgivingBlessings.mp3 I wonder if the recording studio thought it was only a coincidence that all their VU meters suddenly burned out during this song's session? From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Sep 12 00:43:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33204 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 07:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 07:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 07:43:22 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.177]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 03:44:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c37901$751d79a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} anyone know of a good portable audio recorder < $50-$70? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 03:42:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I highly recommend the Pogo products "Ripflash"= Not only does it record voice, it will record from an external stereo source, on the fly. A bit more $$, but well worth it. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:29 PM Subject: {AMSF} anyone know of a good portable audio recorder < $50-$70? From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 01:13:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92314 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 08:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 08:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 08:13:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20030912081350.80925.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.250.57] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:13:50 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} anyone know of a good portable audio recorder < $50-$70? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001301c37901$751d79a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is n track studio that it works and recorded AM radio directly into the sound card and had no hetrodynes too(it was off a G E superadio as they dont seem to be noisy).But if the lead is long enough you could use a smaller radio Michael Chris Cuff wrote: I highly recommend the Pogo products "Ripflash"= Not only does it record voice, it will record from an external stereo source, on the fly. A bit more $$, but well worth it. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:29 PM Subject: {AMSF} anyone know of a good portable audio recorder < $50-$70? Yahoo! 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jwelton@nautel.com Fri Sep 12 03:21:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48303 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 10:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 10:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay3.softcomca.com) (168.144.1.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 10:21:15 -0000 Received: from M2W041.mail2web.com ([168.144.251.147]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 12 Sep 2003 06:21:15 -0400 Message-ID: <191690-220039512102115147@M2W041.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: want to record Disney in stereo but.... Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 06:21:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-Path: jwelton@nautel.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2003 10:21:15.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[98CFF4C0:01C37917] From: "jwelton@nautel.com" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Originating-IP: 24.222.130.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff_welton pianoplayer asked: > > I'm having problems recording 1110 KDIS from my listening post in El > > Cajon. With my SRF-42, I can hear the station (faint, but stereo is > > on) using headphones, but when I plug in the patch cable to the > > computer, it blanks out KDIS and I get sideband interference from a > > geographically close 1130. I'm sure there's some reason I'm overlooking in my early morning coffee-deprived fog, but why not build a dual isolation/matching transformer. I suspect the line in to the sound card is 600 ohm, while the headphone jack on the SRF-42 is more likely 8 ohm. This mismatch on it's own will tend to pick up and add to the noise generated by the computer.=20 Subscribing to the theory that noise is also being introduced by the computer, building a 600:8 turn isolation transformer (twice, once for each channel) and connecting the mess in the middle of a line cord would probably help. It would definitely make a difference on the level of RF being fed into the SRF-42 from the headphone jack. Again, just a thought while I try to decide what the two year old really does want for breakfast (right now he's torn between a slice of cheese or pizza with toast on it). Regards, Jeff Welton -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 05:41:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43906 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 12:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 12:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 12:41:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20030912124117.33840.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:41:17 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cam-D article from Radio World To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From RadioWorld: "Kahn: FCC Should Act on Cam-D Leonard Kahn thinks it's time the FCC acted on his request. Earlier, he asked the agency to rescind its interim order authorizing stations to convert to HD Radio. In January, Kahn, known to many in the industry for his work in AM stereo a decade and more ago, suggested the commission create a blue-ribbon panel to study other digital technologies for terrestrial radio, including his Cam-D system. Once his AM digital system is developed, he intends to begin developing an FM system, which he hopes to complete by the end of 2004, Kahn states in a new filing to the commission. Kahn believes the commission should take "immediate action" on his petition "to get at the truth re digital radio and halt this display by the NRSC of enormous conflicts of interest. "For AM radio to be considered as a source of receiver sales and means to force the public to supposedly help the economy by making useless almost half a billion radios is ludicrous, almost as ludicrous as offering a service that only functions during daylight hours," Kahn continued, "a service that even during daylight hours creates significant interference between stations as distant as New York and Cincinnati during the daytime and completely destroys their operation during the night." Of the NRSC, Kahn states, "The flaws of using unpaid engineers to evaluate highly complex technology has been proven over and over again going back to the days of Armstrong and his FM and through Crosby and FM stereo, and, of course, AM stereo." His new filing does not include technical details of his Cam-D system, although Kahn states that one of the tests to be conducted this year "will prove that the new signal can be received at least with an 8 kHz stereo fidelity over 1,000 miles away and with full 15 kHz stereo being transmitted which will not create interference beyond existing AM signals." " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Fri Sep 12 07:22:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88460 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 14:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 14:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 14:22:21 -0000 Message-ID: <002c01c37939$c9338740$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} anyone know of a good portable audio recorder < $50-$70? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:25:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yes, but you'll get nothing out of the amp- too low of a signal. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > > Oh, by the way, can you plug a mic into a line-in jack? From stodd@vippn.com Fri Sep 12 07:26:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60431 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 14:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 14:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 14:26:09 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c3793a$51e17520$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: want to record Disney in stereo but.... Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:29:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No idea, but if you've already got the cables, why not try it out? The results won't be any worse than the first, and it just may work. Otherwise Kevin's suggestion to first go to tape and then to the computer is a good one. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:09 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: want to record Disney in stereo but.... > I thought about doing it like that but I was kinda wanting to have it > all done in one shot. Could I possibly go from the output of the > SRF-42 to the input of the stereo, and from the output of the stereo > to the input of the computer? > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > The best choice for making recordings of AM radio is really to first > > record it on a high-quality cassette deck (preferably using High Bias > > tape with Dolby B or C NR), and then just play back the tape when you > > want to record it on your computer as a WAV or MP3 file. The bonus > > is that in addition to much less chance of interference, you also get > > to listen to the tape recording at any time, not just on your > > computer. > > > > Cassette tapes may not be the most elegant or technologically > > advanced recording medium, but they get the job done with a minimum > > of trouble and cost, and when properly cared for, they remain useable > > for decades -- unlike computer files, which can be lost in a crash or > > virus attack, and unlike CD-Rs, whose long-term lifespan is still a > > big question mark. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From stodd@vippn.com Fri Sep 12 07:28:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14699 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 14:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 14:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 14:28:22 -0000 Message-ID: <003b01c3793a$a16f5d00$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030910030427.2026.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Leonard Kahn is right-on target this time Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:31:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Unfortunately raw intellegence alone does not a good leader make. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > John P. wrote: > > Forget about "Kerry for president"; "Leonard Kahn for president" - he's > our man! > > Lenny has MY vote! He would certainly be the smartest president in history! From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 08:01:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55348 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 15:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 15:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80513.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 15:01:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20030912150148.89754.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.20.154.179] by web80513.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:01:48 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > Naaahh! Too feeble. A DX-2000 will do it... > > All jokes aside, I do know of a Graveyard station in > GA that is running a > Harris SX-5 at full tilt! I figure the FCC will nail > 'em sooner or later. > Kevin Well actually it's not even legal for a 1 KW station to run one, EVEN at 1 KW. I expect it helps a little at night. Email me privately and I'll tattle. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 08:46:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14202 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 15:46:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 15:46:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 15:46:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2003 15:46:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:46:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: anyone know of a good portable audio recorder < $50-$70? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030912081350.80925.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1605 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Hmmm... that ripflash option looks interesting... previous mp3 recorders I had seen (although I was looking at HD based ones) were > $300-400. Do you know of one like the one you linked, Chris, that might take a compactflash card, and would be able to record to uncompressed WAV format if I wanted to (and be able to set the sample rate at something other than 44.1k? (like 32k, 24k, 22.05k, 16k, for example). --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > There is n track studio that it works and recorded AM radio directly into the sound card and had no hetrodynes too(it was off a G E superadio as they dont seem to be noisy).But if the lead is long enough you could use a smaller radio > Michael > > Chris Cuff wrote: > I highly recommend the Pogo products "Ripflash"= Not only does it record > voice, it will record from an external stereo source, on the fly. A bit more > $$, but well worth it. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pianoplayer88key > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:29 PM > Subject: {AMSF} anyone know of a good portable audio recorder < $50-$70? > > > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Sep 12 09:16:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12236 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 16:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 16:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 16:16:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2003 16:16:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:16:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cam-D article from Radio World Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030912124117.33840.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4069 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.195 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > From RadioWorld: > "Kahn: FCC Should Act on Cam-D > > Of the NRSC, Kahn states, "The flaws of using unpaid engineers to > evaluate highly complex technology has been proven over and over > again going back to the days of Armstrong and his FM and through > Crosby and FM stereo, and, of course, AM stereo." This sounds like a lot of unsubstantiated hogwash, has Kahn ever backed up these repeated implications about "Armstrong and his FM", and "Crosby and FM stereo", with any facts? I always had the impression that the FM broadcast specification ended up pretty much exactly as Armstrong specified/requested, if there was a problem it was only in the reallocation of the VHF bands after the war, not the system specification. The "Crosby" comment sounds like Kahn thinks it was a better system than the one the FCC chose/designed, by combining features of the two systems proposed by GE and Zenith. The Crosby proposal was arguably inferior to the selected system, yet we don't see any evidence presented by Kahn that this was not the case, as he repeatedly implies. The Crosby system degraded the signal to noise ratio in monophonic radios more than the GE/Zenith system does, by something like 6 dB for the Crosby system, vs. less than 1 dB for the GE/Zenith system. The Crosby system also suffered from a relatively high intrinsic distortion floor on the FM sub carrier, due the truncation of the sidebands produced by the inherently nonlinear FM modulation process used on the Crosby sub carrier. The GE/Zenith system with its linear AM sub carrier did not suffer from an inherent distortion floor. There is just not enough space in the main FM baseband to accommodate a high-fidelity FM sub carrier, which resulted in the necessity to truncate the sidebands. In exchange for these problems, the "advantage" offered by the Crosby system was a marginally better stereo signal to noise ratio under some conditions. I don't have the actual numbers for the Crosby stereo signal to noise ratio, but reports at the time indicated that it was not significantly better than the GE/Zenith system. This should all be in the NSRC report, if anyone has a copy? If Kahn is the great genius that everyone says he is, why does he always trot out this tired old story, without any facts to support his position? > His new filing does not include technical details of his Cam-D > system, although Kahn states that one of the tests to be conducted > this year "will prove that the new signal can be received at least > with an 8 kHz stereo fidelity over 1,000 miles away and with full > 15 kHz stereo being transmitted which will not create interference > beyond existing AM signals." " The Cam-D system reminds me of the ill fated Zenith High Definition Television system, where they were going to tack some digital signals onto the existing NTSC Television signal to provide side panel information to create a wide screen picture, and also, I think, but am not sure at this point, additional digital information to increase the resolution of the analog portion of the signal, in a video version of what Cam-D does for audio. I have to wonder about Kahn's claim that the Cam-D digital sidebands "will not create interference beyond existing AM signals"? Both the Cam-D system, and the ultimate full digital IBOC mode, fit within the existing 20 kHz AM broadcast channels. The Cam-D system has digital sub carriers between 8 and 10 kHz on each side of the main carrier, which will put them smack in the middle of the adjacent channel where they can cause the maximum amount of adjacent channel interference. It would be interesting to know how much energy is in these Cam-D digital sidebands as compared to the IBOC digital sidebands in the same area? It isn't at all clear that the Cam-D system will create any less adjacent channel interference than the full digital version of IBOC, where are Kahn's numbers to support this? John From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Sep 12 09:21:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5524 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 16:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 16:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 16:21:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2003 16:21:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:21:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: want to record Disney in stereo but.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <191690-220039512102115147@M2W041.mail2web.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2305 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.76 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Using a 8:600ohm step up transformer to match the impedance would increase the Volts p-p by a factor of ~8. Thus a coulpe of volts p-p from the SRF-42 would be ~16V p-p into the sound card which would be way to high for the soundcard. The Vp-p out of the SRF-42 is a good match for the sound card. Using those 600-900 ohm 1:1 isolation transformer from RatShack should work fine. If you are concerned about the impedance loading of the transformer then use a 560omh resistor in series with the output of the SRF-42 and the primary and a 1K in parallel on the secondary however this will cause a 4dB Volt p-p loss in signal level. I think that the ipedance won't be an issue though. I can't guaratee that this will isolate the RF noise completely since these are primarily used for DC isolation. JSG --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jwelton@n..." wrote: > pianoplayer asked: > > > > I'm having problems recording 1110 KDIS from my listening post in El > > > Cajon. With my SRF-42, I can hear the station (faint, but stereo is > > > on) using headphones, but when I plug in the patch cable to the > > > computer, it blanks out KDIS and I get sideband interference from a > > > geographically close 1130. > > I'm sure there's some reason I'm overlooking in my early morning > coffee-deprived fog, but why not build a dual isolation/matching > transformer. I suspect the line in to the sound card is 600 ohm, while the > headphone jack on the SRF-42 is more likely 8 ohm. This mismatch on it's > own will tend to pick up and add to the noise generated by the computer. > Subscribing to the theory that noise is also being introduced by the > computer, building a 600:8 turn isolation transformer (twice, once for each > channel) and connecting the mess in the middle of a line cord would > probably help. It would definitely make a difference on the level of RF > being fed into the SRF-42 from the headphone jack. > > Again, just a thought while I try to decide what the two year old really > does want for breakfast (right now he's torn between a slice of cheese or > pizza with toast on it). > > Regards, > > Jeff Welton > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 09:42:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94435 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 16:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 16:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 16:42:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2003 16:42:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:42:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cam-D article from Radio World Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 749 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have to wonder about Kahn's claim that the Cam-D digital sidebands > "will not create interference beyond existing AM signals"? I believe in the CAM-D specs it is stated that the digital sidebands will be modulated in level along with the analog audio. In other words, if the station is broadcasting 'dead air', the digital sidebands will be silent (or much reduced in level) as well -- as opposed to IBOC, which transmits its digital sidebands at full-blast, regardless if the station is actually broadcasting any audio or not. I suppose this will be heard as an exaggeration of the "monkey chatter" effect on adjacent channels -- not like IBOC's constant "hash". CAM-D will also not affect second-adjacent channels, unlike IBOC. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 10:12:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88219 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 17:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 17:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 17:12:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2003 17:12:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:12:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cam-D article from Radio World Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2176 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > From RadioWorld: > > "Kahn: FCC Should Act on Cam-D > > > > Of the NRSC, Kahn states, "The flaws of using unpaid engineers to > > evaluate highly complex technology has been proven over and over > > again going back to the days of Armstrong and his FM and through > > Crosby and FM stereo, and, of course, AM stereo." > > This sounds like a lot of unsubstantiated hogwash, has Kahn ever > backed up these repeated implications about "Armstrong and his FM", > and "Crosby and FM stereo", with any facts? I always had the > impression that the FM broadcast specification ended up pretty much > exactly as Armstrong specified/requested, if there was a problem it > was only in the reallocation of the VHF bands after the war, not the > system specification. The "Crosby" comment sounds like Kahn thinks it > was a better system than the one the FCC chose/designed, by combining Well, first, we must explain to those not in the know about the differences between Armstrong's FM and Crosby's FM. (Note I didn't say Crosby's FM stereo- That's a different kettle, there!) In transmitting, there wasn't much difference, except perhaps in the rate of deviation, but in reception, Armstrong's and Crosby's approaches were vastly different-- As different as slope-tuned AM detection and direct conversion. Armstrong strongly believed in FM demodulation by sloped-AM detection. It works to a point, but is not efficient, and introduces much AM noise and distortion. Crosby, on the other hand, preferred a direct-FM conversion, and his many FM patents of the 1040s to the 1970s reflected this- In fact, we have Crosby to thank for how broadcast FM is demodulated, by converting frequency shift to voltage. This does not include subcarriers. Much of RCA's FM work was done by Crosby, especially in the 1950s. He was not involved in RCA's AM stereo experiments, although RCA's AM/FM system was designed based on Crosby's FM principles, including the FM discriminator and AM limiter. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 10:29:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99876 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 17:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 17:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 17:28:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2003 17:28:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:28:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cam-D article from Radio World Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 445 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Crosby, on the other hand, preferred a direct-FM conversion, and > his many FM patents of the 1040s to the 1970s reflected this- That's quite a career -- spanning more than 900 years! Oh, and he had a great voice, didn't he? :-) BTW, here's another web site with a chronology of early stereo sound: http://history.acusd.edu/gen/recording/stereo.html The earliest entry is in 1881, when *80-channel* audio was reproduced via telephone. From jim@burgan.net Fri Sep 12 10:41:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36224 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 17:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 17:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-2.iquest.net) (206.246.180.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 17:41:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 92727 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 17:41:09 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-2.iquest.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 17:41:09 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-115.iquest.net [209.43.58.115]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AMP70317; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:41:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002101c37955$0d3d5450$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20030910231047.78119.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:41:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > As far as I > > know, Fidelipac is the only company that still > > supports the format. > > > > Audiopak is recently out of business. The Cart Guys > bought up his stock, and the Cart Guys are the > Fidelipak folks now. I still have a bunch of carts from the mid 70's that were loaded by Lauderdale Electronics. I remember sending boxes of carts to them on a regular basis to get loaded with new tape and pads. They would return them and we would send another batch in for reloading. I haven't seen carts bearing the name Lauderdale Electronics since I left Florida in 1976. Anyone know if they a big factor outside of Florida? From krichards@wor710.com Fri Sep 12 10:41:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55830 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 17:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 17:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 17:41:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2003 17:41:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:41:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kahn: Cam-D article/HD Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2685 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 John's observations about Leonard are pretty accurate. It is unfortunate that Leonard has rubbed so many in this business the wrong way, because at times some of his ideas have been brilliant. As far as Cam-D goes I think it will never fly very well, namely because of Leonard himself. Beyond that, the observation that Cam-D is like side panels to the analog signal is on the money. It presents an interesting scenario, but may not be as stable as the HD scheme, becuase in hours and hours of testing over the years Ibiquity found that the robustness of the digital carriers in the real world environment become an issue when operated below a certain threshold. Therefore how Leonard proposes to deliver some kind of digital carrier with bits to the radio reliably is a big question. BUT, the bottom line here is that who would want an analog signal mixed with the digitally reconstructed high end as Cam-D proposes to do? It really serves as no replacement for C-Quam which is analog and works pretty well, but is prone to noise just like Cam-D will be. Leonard has a habit about bringing up things from the past, he is relentless, as everyone here predicted a long time ago, he will not give up. Trying to predict how much interference there will be with the HD scheme in full operation on the AM Band is a major unknown factor. Dire predictions about problems have not come to fruition, but then not many HD carriers are on air yet. Many on this forum think that every AM broadcaster has the right to get as far out as possible, no matter their pattern or power. Others feel the NRSC mask is the determining factor, and still others think that HD in the hybrid mode will not work. The problem here is if you are licensed to a particular community you have certain protection rights and that's about it, depending on your class, coverage area, city of license and power. Our testing here at WOR of the HD system has shown the HD carriers are very robust with about 1500 watts power into the array. We easily cover our whole 5 millivolt contour day and night. Now with the new HD codec which we are testing, and the radios on sale next month, we are closer to getting some answers to what will happen with the new HD radio system, from a consumer, broadcaster and marketplace standpoint. Remember, Ibiquity has garnered major support from broadcasters and manufacturers and the FCC. Leonard has a very hard road to plow through if he thinks his system will fly, mainly because he is not delivering a complete digital stream to the radio, and because of his "excess baggage" which is extremely problematic for him and Cam-D. Kerry..... From jim@burgan.net Fri Sep 12 10:44:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20321 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 17:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 17:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-1.iquest.net) (206.246.180.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 17:44:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 77999 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 17:44:30 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-1.iquest.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 17:44:30 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-115.iquest.net [209.43.58.115]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AMP70676; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:44:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003001c37955$75eb93e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What's the FCC Thinking? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:44:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Didn't Bill Clinton appoint Michael Powell to the FCC? > > Yes, on November 3, 1997 -- but it was President Bush who appointed > him to be the FCC's Chairman on January 22, 2001, and that's when the > real fun began. So it's all Dubya's fault, right? If I remember right, the "real fun" began with the Telecom Act of 1996. What's been going on since then is academic. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 10:45:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78666 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 17:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 17:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 17:45:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2003 17:45:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:45:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cam-D article from Radio World Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 857 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Crosby, on the other hand, preferred a direct-FM conversion, and > > his many FM patents of the 1040s to the 1970s reflected this- > > That's quite a career -- spanning more than 900 years! Well, gee- It's another typo! > Oh, and he had a great voice, didn't he? :-) To clarify, I was referring to Murray G. Crosby, not Bing or Bob Crosby. And crosby's FM stereo patents are uploaded for reference on the FTP site as: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/crosby1.djvu ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/crosby2.djvu ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/crosby3.djvu (You'll need the LizardTech DjVu plugin, if you haven't got it already, at: http://djvu.sourceforge.net/ (Linux/*nix/Solaris) http://www.lizardtech.com/download/?f=0&d=1 (Windows/Mac) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jim@burgan.net Fri Sep 12 10:47:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59647 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 17:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 17:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-3.iquest.net) (206.246.180.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 17:47:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 86712 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 17:47:15 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-3.iquest.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 17:47:15 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-115.iquest.net [209.43.58.115]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AMP71314; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:47:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004d01c37955$e7706630$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's the FCC Thinking? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:47:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > > > The Republicans on the FCC (especially Michael Powell) are not > > very > > > > bright, if you ask me. Doesn't it make you want to ditch Bush in > > > > 2004? > > > > > > Didn't Bill Clinton appoint Michael Powell to the FCC? > > > > Nope; Bush did, in 2001. > > OK, we have two votes that it was Clinton, and now one for Bush. Everyone is right to a degree.. Bill Clinton appointed him to the commission, Dubya made him the chairperson. From jim@burgan.net Fri Sep 12 10:59:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54682 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 17:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 17:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-1.iquest.net) (206.246.180.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 17:59:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 3378 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 17:59:47 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-1.iquest.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 17:59:47 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-115.iquest.net [209.43.58.115]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AMP73162; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:59:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006001c37957$98b573d0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:59:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > bta_50g wrote: > > If you can't afford to buy a decent transmitter, then you aren't qualified > to be entrusted with a broadcast license. > > There are many good transmitters that do not work well with C-QUAM, such as > the Gates VP-50 or RCA Ampliphase transmitters. > > > > Any station that requires that sort of directional array shouldn't have > been allowed on the air in the first place, you should turn in your license > immediately. > > Somehow, I doubt WOR will be doing that anytime soon! WOR is a Class 1A clear and protects nobody with their directional array. I've been told their 3 tower array is only used to improve building penetration on Manhattan and to keep from wasting some of the RF to Canada. Their pattern does not contain a sharp null, their 2 nulls are subtle and, while Indiana is in one of those nulls, we frequently pick-up WOR at night. I believe they reserve the right to go omni at any time, woe-be to those with night-time authorization who would be affected (Mobile, Miami, Shreveport, Milwaukee, and a ton of Canadian stations and western USA stations benefiting from WOR's array). From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 11:02:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89319 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 18:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 18:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 18:02:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2003 18:02:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:02:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn: Cam-D article/HD Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1053 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > John's observations about Leonard are pretty accurate. > > It is unfortunate that Leonard has rubbed so many in this business > the wrong way, because at times some of his ideas have been brilliant. Brilliant, but unstable. > As far as Cam-D goes I think it will never fly very well, namely > because of Leonard himself. Beyond that, the observation that Cam-D > is like side panels to the analog signal is on the money. It Both of these assessments I agree with. > Leonard has a habit about bringing up things from the past, he is > relentless, as everyone here predicted a long time ago, he will not > give up. Again, absolutely correct. If anything, one could liken Kahn to Don Quixote, totally delirious in his cause, to the point of utter fanaticism. One could say, given present knowledge, that Leonard Kahn is, in fact, autistic, as he may be brilliant, but he is completely unable to deal much with the "real world", it seems. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jim@burgan.net Fri Sep 12 11:14:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41010 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 18:14:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 18:14:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-2.iquest.net) (206.246.180.52) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 18:14:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 55015 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 18:14:06 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-2.iquest.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 18:14:06 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-115.iquest.net [209.43.58.115]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AMP75562; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:14:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <009301c37959$a61af2a0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <69.3bf9906c.2c92700c@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's the FCC Thinking? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:14:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I won't support Bush again, not after what illegal and unconstitutional FCC > deregulation did to my radio career and those of thousands of others, many of > whom are more qualified than those corporate radio has hired. I won't support a > pro-terrorist candidate like Howard Dean, but I could choose between > pro-union Dick Gephardt, Joe Lieberman or John Kerry. I really want no part in escalating this to a political discussion, and as I mentioned earlier, I will NOT vote for Dubya in '04, but to blame the current state of radio on him is ludicrous. The reason most radio stations in the top 150 markets are controlled by a half-dozen companies is the 1996 Telecom Act, approved and signed in to law by President Clinton. It is also wrong to give credit for the slow economy to President Bush... The economy was slipping at a high-rate when Dubya took office and it was exacerbated by 9-11. It would be unfair to blame either President Clinton or President Bush for 9-11, but you gotta think that if we had taken more decisive action following the first attack on the WTC, the attack on the USS Cole and other terrorist attacks, it's entirely possible that 9-11 might not have occurred. I know that is somewhat a low blow, but I am really tired of people blaming Dubya for everything wrong in the USA. From jim@burgan.net Fri Sep 12 11:15:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80701 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 18:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 18:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-3.iquest.net) (206.246.180.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 18:15:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 18388 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 18:15:35 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-3.iquest.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 18:15:35 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-115.iquest.net [209.43.58.115]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AMP75832; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:15:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <009e01c37959$dcf5c390$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20030912020517.9788.qmail@web80510.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:15:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > Naaahh! Too feeble. A DX-2000 will do it... > > All jokes aside, I do know of a Graveyard station in GA that is running a > Harris SX-5 at full tilt! I figure the FCC will nail 'em sooner or later. It must be owned by Meyer Gottesman.... :-) Regulars of rec.radio.broadcasting will appreciate humor. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 11:26:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77767 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 18:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 18:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 18:26:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2003 18:26:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:26:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What's the FCC Thinking? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009301c37959$a61af2a0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 837 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.18.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > The reason most radio stations in the top 150 markets are controlled by a > half-dozen companies is the 1996 Telecom Act, approved and signed in to law > by President Clinton. I wouldn't put all the blame here on Clinton, either-- He knew there were enough votes to override any veto, as it was OVERWHELMINGLY passed by both houses of Congress, by both parties. In effect, EVERYONE on Capital Hill is to blame. I was quite pissed off when that Act was passed! :( I even felt betrayed by those whose party stood for diversity in America, since it quashes exactly that. The 1996 Telecommunications act is the biggest travesty to hit the First Amendment in my lifetime, and the current FCC rule change is merely an extention of that Act. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Fri Sep 12 12:57:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66504 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 19:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 19:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 19:57:30 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c37968$9d6afce0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030910231047.78119.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> <002101c37955$0d3d5450$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 8-Tracks was: CD Sound Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:00:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Seen them in a few stations in MN! ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgan" > I haven't seen carts bearing the name Lauderdale Electronics since I left > Florida in 1976. Anyone know if they a big factor outside of Florida? From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Sep 12 14:43:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38454 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 21:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 21:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 21:43:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2003 21:43:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 21:43:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cam-D article from Radio World Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2209 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I have to wonder about Kahn's claim that the Cam-D digital > > sidebands "will not create interference beyond existing AM > > signals"? > > I believe in the CAM-D specs it is stated that the digital sidebands > will be modulated in level along with the analog audio. In other > words, if the station is broadcasting 'dead air', the digital > sidebands will be silent (or much reduced in level) as well -- as > opposed to IBOC, which transmits its digital sidebands at > full-blast, regardless if the station is actually broadcasting any > audio or not. If Kahn can make this work as claimed, he will be due a great deal of credit, but I am not holding my breath. One non technical problem, how much "dead air" is there today? I had the impression that many stations today don't like "dead air", and like to keep their modulation up with the Optimods and whatnot? On the technical side, if he is planning to actually vary the level of the digital carriers along with the analog modulation, this could result in some interesting artifacts, as it isn't clear to me that the data requirements for the high frequencies will always exactly track the level of the lower frequencies. Also, after a period of "dead air", will the receiver always be able to re acquire the data stream instantaneously when it starts up again, or will the data have to come back on before the analog modulation actually begins? Perhaps the system includes some pilot carriers, or something of that sort, that are always on, to eliminate the problem of re acquiring the data carriers after a period of "dead air". > I suppose this will be heard as an exaggeration of the "monkey > chatter" effect on adjacent channels -- not like IBOC's constant > "hash". CAM-D will also not affect second-adjacent channels, unlike > IBOC. I generally find a constant noise source to be less irritating than one that varies, as it sounds like the Cam-D data stream will, as currently envisioned. Why won't the Cam-D signal cause second-adjacent interference, the Cam-D signal is just as wide as the full digital version of IBOC? John From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Sep 12 14:53:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15248 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2003 21:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2003 21:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2003 21:53:05 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.85]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:53:58 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c37978$298c41c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: anyone know of a good portable audio recorder < $50-$70? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:52:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The Ripflash can record at different bitrates. You would have to use your computer to create WAV files. What i like about it, is it is so small and thin, I carry it in my shirt pocket everywhere, and it never gets in the way. With 128 megs in it, it has plenty of room for lots of stuff. I have a HD based one, but having had the HD fail, I prefer the solid state memory. I do believe you can increse the memory of one of the Ripflash models... can't remember for sure. If you search on Google for "pogo products" it will lead you right to them. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Sep 12 17:43:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2418 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 00:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 00:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 00:43:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 00:43:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 00:43:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006001c37957$98b573d0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1774 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > > bta_50g wrote: > > > > > > Any station that requires that sort of directional array > > > shouldn't have been allowed on the air in the first place, you > > > should turn in you license immediately. > > > > Somehow, I doubt WOR will be doing that anytime soon! > > WOR is a Class 1A clear and protects nobody with their directional > array. I've been told their 3 tower array is only used to improve > building penetration on Manhattan and to keep from wasting some of > the RF to Canada. Are you sure WOR doesn't protect anyone? WOR is a former class 1B, not class 1A, so it is likely they protect at least one other station. I don't remember if it was in this forum, or in a private email, but when I asked Tom Ray why the nulls in their new antenna array were so deep, he said the FCC "asked" them to provide some additional protection. I suspect that "asked" means it will be part of the license, even if it wasn't before. Even "former class 1A" doesn't mean what it once did, I understand that at least two of the local "former class 1As" in this area would have to downgrade to 30 kW if they wanted to move their antennas. > Their pattern does not contain a sharp null, their 2 nulls are > subtle and, while Indiana is in one of those nulls, we frequently > pick-up WOR at night. Their new antenna looks like it will have sharp nulls. > I believe they reserve the right to go omni at any time, woe-be to > those with night-time authorization who would be affected (Mobile, > Miami, Shreveport, Milwaukee, and a ton of Canadian stations and > western USA stations benefiting from WOR's array). I didn't know Milwaukee had a station on or even near WORs frequency? John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 18:14:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41893 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 01:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 01:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 01:14:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 01:14:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 01:14:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn: Cam-D article/HD Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 997 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Our testing here at WOR of the HD system has shown the HD carriers > are very robust with about 1500 watts power into the array. We > easily cover our whole 5 millivolt contour day and night. Sorry, but that's not very impressive. Whatever happened to the ideal of providing good groundwave coverage out to the 0.5 mV/m contour? And NYC's big 50 kW AM stations frequently get ratings in Philadelphia and Allentown, PA -- both well outside their 5.0 mV/m coverage areas, but their signals are still good enough there for people to listen to. (Indeed, NYC's sports station 660 WFAN is serving as stiff competition in the ratings to Philly's *own* sports station 610 WIP!) You may find that to be an acceptable trade-off, but I don't. What's the point of transmitting a signal that causes *more* interference on the band and yet has *less* coverage? Microsoft may have popularized bloated inefficency in the computer world, but we certainly don't need it on our radio airwaves. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 18:31:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99204 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 01:31:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 01:31:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 01:31:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 01:31:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 01:31:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cam-D article from Radio World Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1833 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I generally find a constant noise source to be less irritating than > one that varies, as it sounds like the Cam-D data stream will, as > currently envisioned. Fair enough, but with IBOC, the sideband noise is LOUDER than the station's main-channel analog audio. In fact, it causes many digital tuners to stop 10 kHz away from the station's intended frequency when using the Seek function. On my car radio, if I'm at 770 (WABC) and hit Seek to tune down to 710 (WOR), it often stops at 720 instead (WOR's IBOC sideband hash). And listeners with manual-tuning radios will suffer the most. Many have never quite learned the concept of accurately tuning to the "center" of a signal, and with analog AM signals, often purposely mis-tune in order to get better treble response (at the expense of increased distortion). Try that with an IBOC signal and the sideband "hash" becomes magnified immensely. In fact, as I recall, when WOR first put their IBOC signal on the air, one of the first calls they got was a complaint from a gentleman who was hearing a hiss in their signal. He was told to re-tune his radio to the center of WOR's signal, and then the problem went away because the radio's bandwidth was narrow enough to mask the sideband noise -- but only when accurately tuned to exactly 710 kHz. > Why won't the Cam-D signal cause second-adjacent interference, the > Cam-D signal is just as wide as the full digital version of IBOC? Nice try, bub! We're not talking about the "full-digital" version of IBOC here, since it's not in use today, and likely won't be for many years yet to come. Right now, we're dealing with the hybrid analog/digital version of IBOC, which occupies a total of 30 kHz of bandwidth -- as compared to analog AM, analog AM Stereo, and CAM-D's total bandwidth of 20 kHz. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 18:43:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88861 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 01:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 01:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 01:43:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 01:43:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 01:43:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: the ratchet clause Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1289 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I asked Tom Ray why the nulls in their new antenna array were so > deep, he said the FCC "asked" them to provide some additional > protection. That's the so-called "ratchet clause". In 1991, the FCC tightened up the protection ratios between adjacent- and co-channel AM stations, especially at night. Facilities licensed before 1991, such as WOR's current array, don't have to follow these new standards, but any change to a non-compliant facility must provide at least a 10% improvement towards meeting the current regulations. There are, however, stations which weren't built until after 1991 but still didn't have to meet the revised protection ratios. For example, 1040 WJHR (now WCHR) in Flemington, NJ, didn't go on the air until January 1998, but was allowed to afford no protection whatsoever to the nighttime signal of neighboring 1050 WEVD, because their original Construction Permit was granted back in 1985! Had they waited until after 1991, this station likely wouldn't have been able to get on the air at all, because there is no way for them to transmit a nighttime signal without clashing with 1030 WBZ, 1040 WHO, and 1050 WEVD, and the FCC wouldn't have allowed them to be licensed as a daytime-only station since they stopped doing that in 1987. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 19:25:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57136 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 02:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 02:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 02:25:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 02:25:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 02:25:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: anyone know of a good portable audio recorder < $50-$70? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003001c37978$298c41c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 956 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I am seriously considering one, but I didn't see any at Good Guys, Circuit City, or Best Buy. Any idea where else (besides online) I could get one? I want to try it before I buy it. (and using the store's return policy doesn't count) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > The Ripflash can record at different bitrates. You would have to use your > computer to create WAV files. What i like about it, is it is so small and > thin, I carry it in my shirt pocket everywhere, and it never gets in the > way. With 128 megs in it, it has plenty of room for lots of stuff. > I have a HD based one, but having had the HD fail, I prefer the solid state > memory. I do believe you can increse the memory of one of the Ripflash > models... can't remember for sure. If you search on Google for "pogo > products" it will lead you right to them. > cc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pianoplayer88key From dav259@csiro.au Fri Sep 12 20:27:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26336 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 03:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 03:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 03:27:31 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8D3RUXM026713 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:27:30 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:27:30 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Do something about it Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 All the "who's to blame?" posts are OK. We came blame Bush, Clinton, and (I agree with Amy) the Congress for the 1996 Act. What did any of you do at the time to try and stop it? What have you done this time to stop the proposed changes? How many have contacted their local "representative"? - it's supposed to be a democracy you know - rang a talkback station? - or written to the press? It's great that this list has grown from 70 to 220 in the last 12 months or so but where is the fire in the belly? It would seem to me that the US system is run by beancounters. Everything seems to come down to money (the root of all evil?) and dubious patriotic speeches. Why don't many of you question why so many corporations "donate" money to political parties? (often both - just to make sure) Why isn't it common knowledge which corporations donate to which parties - and why they (allegedly) do? Until all of this is made obvious you'll continue to get the best government that money can buy. Of course Australia is not too far behind - but at least our PM and senior ministers are regularly publicly grilled for answers on the floor of parliament. It's time to speak up. And do what you can for the advancement of AM stereo! There's probably not much money in it for any station broadcasting in AMS - but hopefully they won't be brought down by the BICs (beancounters-in-charge) stations. God bless local and live radio! Ian Melbourne From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Fri Sep 12 20:43:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88182 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 03:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 03:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 03:43:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 03:43:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 03:43:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 388 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "alfredotorrejon" X-Originating-IP: 216.99.192.109 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > If I recall, your C-QUAM pages were on that ISP- Have you put them > elsewhere? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Nope. The only place that they exist these days are on some CD-ROM backups of my hard disk that I made a few days ago. However, if there is a schematic that you really need, I can e-mail it to you. Alfredo From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 20:59:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73512 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 03:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 03:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 03:59:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 03:59:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 03:59:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Do something about it Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1589 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.125 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > All the "who's to blame?" posts are OK. We came blame Bush, Clinton, and > (I agree with Amy) the Congress for the 1996 Act. Actually, I meant "all ov the above"- Both Congress and the White House. > It's great that this list has grown from 70 to 220 in the last 12 months > or so but where is the fire in the belly? Silence speaks volumes-- For the wrong side. > It would seem to me that the US system is run by beancounters. Everything > seems to come down to money (the root of all evil?) and dubious patriotic > speeches. Actually, from the Bible: Timothy 6:10 'For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.' Gee, this DOES sound like our most wonderful and magnanimous corporate broadcasters, does it not? > Why don't many of you question why so many corporations "donate" money to > political parties? (often both - just to make sure) It is know, pretty much- The attitude here is of resignation, the detatched feeling of helplessness, not veing avle to do anything, and if one does, that it's a futile thing. > Why isn't it common knowledge which corporations donate to which parties - > and why they (allegedly) do? Like I said, it is known, and it's not really for a lack of caring. > Until all of this is made obvious you'll continue to get the best > government that money can buy. That's why we, the citizens of America, feel helpless. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 21:01:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61342 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 04:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 04:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 04:01:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 04:01:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 04:01:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 639 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.243.125 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "alfredotorrejon" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > If I recall, your C-QUAM pages were on that ISP- Have you put them > > elsewhere? > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > Nope. The only place that they exist these days are on some CD-ROM backups of my hard disk that I made a few days ago. However, if there is a schematic that you really need, I can e-mail it to you. I have all the files, personally speaking. It is for those who might want to know, but are unaware the files even exist I'm concerned for. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jim@burgan.net Fri Sep 12 22:21:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91406 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 05:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 05:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-3.iquest.net) (206.246.180.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 05:21:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 53211 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 05:21:56 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-3.iquest.net with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 05:21:56 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-250.iquest.net [209.43.58.250]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AMQ72991; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 00:21:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005f01c379b6$f34044b0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 00:21:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Are you sure WOR doesn't protect anyone? WOR is a former class 1B, > not class 1A, so it is likely they protect at least one other station. > I don't remember if it was in this forum, or in a private email, but > when I asked Tom Ray why the nulls in their new antenna array were so > deep, he said the FCC "asked" them to provide some additional > protection. I suspect that "asked" means it will be part of the > license, even if it wasn't before. Even "former class 1A" doesn't > mean what it once did, I understand that at least two of the local > "former class 1As" in this area would have to downgrade to 30 kW if > they wanted to move their antennas. I stand corrected... they are a previous 1B Clear and they share 710 with KIRO in Seattle. Do you know why the FCC asked for "additional protection"? Who were they supposed to be protecting? 710 is a USA clear and there are only 2 historical occupants in North and Central America who are afforded any protection... WOR and KIRO. Of course these days you never know. When I was checking for my original post, I was surprised to find WAQI in Miami (a class B with 50 kw DA2 on WOR's turf). Has the Miami station always been a 50 kw station? > Their new antenna looks like it will have sharp nulls. The data I am using to plot is 2 or 3 years old so I don't have the data for the new array. I guess I should go the FC database and download the data and compare them. While I'm thinking about it... I occasionally check http://www.radio-locator.com to see RF plots since the demise of the Kodis page, and I've found Radio-Locator to be unreliable, to say the least. I realize that Radio-Locator takes ground conductivity into consideration, but their night-time RF plots are bizarre. Does this mean that WOR no longer has the option to let out their pattern to the normal limits for a 1B clear (assuming they wanted to)? > > I believe they reserve the right to go omni at any time, woe-be to > > those with night-time authorization who would be affected (Mobile, > > Miami, Shreveport, Milwaukee, and a ton of Canadian stations and > > western USA stations benefiting from WOR's array). > > I didn't know Milwaukee had a station on or even near WORs frequency? Woops... Two mistakes in one post. WDSM (710 kHz 10kw D 5 kw N DAN) is licensed to Superior, WI. I don't know why I thought Superior was a northern suburb to Milwaukee, but it ain't even close. I'll bet WGN is glad there isn't a 10kw omni station on 710 in Milwaukee... WGN regularly shows up in the Milwaukee Arbitrons. Thanks for being gentle in correcting me... There are actually 3 errors in my post because it is obvious that WOR can't go omni. From bratina501@msn.com Sat Sep 13 00:16:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23427 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 07:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 07:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 07:16:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 07:16:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:16:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: want to record Disney in stereo but.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 795 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jwelton@n..." > wrote: > > pianoplayer asked: > > > > > > I'm having problems recording 1110 KDIS from my listening post > in El > > > > Cajon. With my SRF-42, I can hear the station (faint, but > stereo is > > > > on) using headphones, but when I plug in the patch cable to the > > > > computer, it blanks out KDIS and I get sideband interference > from a > > > > geographically close 1130. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- I recorded 1640 KDZR using an SRF-42 by patching the audio into a laptop with none of the problems you mentioned. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 00:46:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51998 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 07:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 07:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 07:46:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 07:46:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:46:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: want to record Disney in stereo but.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1248 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.228 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 There are a few stations here that are in AM stereo, One of them is a country station, and another an Oldies station, unfortunately i dont have a Am stereo receiver so i dont really know how good it sounds, I know that Am mono music does sound fine with a good signal and when other stations are not bleeding over. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" wrote: > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jwelton@n..." > > wrote: > > > pianoplayer asked: > > > > > > > > I'm having problems recording 1110 KDIS from my listening > post > > in El > > > > > Cajon. With my SRF-42, I can hear the station (faint, but > > stereo is > > > > > on) using headphones, but when I plug in the patch cable to > the > > > > > computer, it blanks out KDIS and I get sideband interference > > from a > > > > > geographically close 1130. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- -- > I recorded 1640 KDZR using an SRF-42 by patching the audio into a > laptop with none of the problems you mentioned. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --- > > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > > http://mail2web.com/ . From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Sep 13 01:27:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17795 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 08:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 08:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 08:27:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 08:27:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:27:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 117 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >If you refuse to transmit C-QUAM, turn in your license to the FCC >immediately! Okay, I'm turning in mine today! From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Sep 13 01:36:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13892 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 08:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 08:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 08:36:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 08:36:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:36:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: directional arrays Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 60 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >>You believe they do which in Europe? > > > Yes. Exactly! From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Sep 13 01:53:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33940 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 08:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 08:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 08:53:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 08:53:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:53:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HD demo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003801c378b4$a4edcc40$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 277 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >Oh, and yes, my radio stops at least on the lower digital sideband >of KSJN. Yes, so does my analog radio, but I can't reveal which FM station! Have to remain anonymous. Did you ever think this defeats the seek and scan on many radios? - Mario Remember, AMStereoRules From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Sep 13 02:08:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89565 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 09:08:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 09:08:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 09:08:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 09:08:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 09:08:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cam-D article from Radio World Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 368 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules >I believe in the CAM-D specs it is stated that the digital sidebands >will be modulated in level along with the analog audio. In other >words, if the station is broadcasting 'dead air', the digital >sidebands will be silent (or much reduced in level) as well Gee, this sounds like the digital sidebands are amplitude modulated - Mario O Remember, AMStereoRules From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Sep 13 06:06:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44431 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 13:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 13:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 13:06:29 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-002scfairp0306.dialsprint.net ([63.184.201.52] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19yA6e-0001rT-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 06:06:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3F631658.F5946665@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 09:06:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Do something about it References: From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's important to keep in mind that we do have the finest politicians that money can buy - Dick W. : ) Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson > wrote: > > > > All the "who's to blame?" posts are OK. We came blame Bush, > Clinton, and > > (I agree with Amy) the Congress for the 1996 Act. > > Actually, I meant "all ov the above"- Both Congress and the White > House. > > > It's great that this list has grown from 70 to 220 in the last 12 > months > > or so but where is the fire in the belly? > > Silence speaks volumes-- For the wrong side. > > > It would seem to me that the US system is run by beancounters. > Everything > > seems to come down to money (the root of all evil?) and dubious > patriotic > > speeches. > > Actually, from the Bible: > > Timothy 6:10 'For the love of money is the root of all evil: which > while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced > themselves through with many sorrows.' > > Gee, this DOES sound like our most wonderful and magnanimous > corporate broadcasters, does it not? > > > Why don't many of you question why so many corporations "donate" > money to > > political parties? (often both - just to make sure) > > It is know, pretty much- The attitude here is of resignation, the > detatched feeling of helplessness, not veing avle to do anything, and > if one does, that it's a futile thing. > > > Why isn't it common knowledge which corporations donate to which > parties - > > and why they (allegedly) do? > > Like I said, it is known, and it's not really for a lack of caring. > > > Until all of this is made obvious you'll continue to get the best > > government that money can buy. > > That's why we, the citizens of America, feel helpless. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Sep 13 09:12:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49942 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 16:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 16:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 16:12:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 16:12:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:12:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cam-D article from Radio World Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4162 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > > > wrote: > > > From RadioWorld: > > > "Kahn: FCC Should Act on Cam-D > > > > > > Of the NRSC, Kahn states, "The flaws of using unpaid engineers > > > to evaluate highly complex technology has been proven over and > > > over again going back to the days of Armstrong and his FM and > > > through Crosby and FM stereo, and, of course, AM stereo." > > > > This sounds like a lot of unsubstantiated hogwash, has Kahn ever > > backed up these repeated implications about "Armstrong and his > > FM", and "Crosby and FM stereo", with any facts? I always had the > > impression that the FM broadcast specification ended up pretty > > much exactly as Armstrong specified/requested, if there was a > > problem it was only in the reallocation of the VHF bands after the > > war, not system specification. The "Crosby" comment sounds like > > Kahn thinks it was a better system than the one the FCC > > chose/designed, by combining > > Well, first, we must explain to those not in the know about the > differences between Armstrong's FM and Crosby's FM. (Note I didn't > say Crosby's FM stereo- That's a different kettle, there!) I suspect that Mr. Kahn's mention of Crosby had nothing to do with Crosby's basic FM work, but had to do with Crosby's FM stereo system. > In transmitting, there wasn't much difference, except perhaps in the > rate of deviation, but in reception, Armstrong's and Crosby's > approaches were vastly different-- As different as slope-tuned AM > detection and direct conversion. Actually I would say that it was in transmitting where the main difference existed between the Armstrong and Crosby methods of FM! Armstrong believed that FM principle could not be made to work properly in transmitters, and used Phase Modulation, or PM in his "FM" transmitters, with an audio compensating network to simulate FM transmission. Crosby on the other hand was a pioneer of the direct FM system, which RCA used in its line of FM transmitters. Western Electric also used the "Crosby Modulator" circuit in their line of FM transmitters. > Armstrong strongly believed in FM demodulation by sloped-AM > detection. It works to a point, but is not efficient, and introduces > much AM noise and distortion. I find it hard to believe that Armstrong strongly believed in FM demodulation by sloped-AM detection? Didn't he originally use a circuit similar to the "Travis" detector? > Crosby, on the other hand, preferred a direct-FM conversion, and his > many FM patents of the 1040s to the 1970s reflected this- In fact, > we have Crosby to thank for how broadcast FM is demodulated, by > converting frequency shift to voltage. This does not include > subcarriers. I am not familiar with Crosby's FM demodulator work, I am more familiar with his modulator, and more theoretical work on FM. In any case don't all FM demodulators convert "frequency shift to voltage"? > Much of RCA's FM work was done by Crosby, especially in the 1950s. When did Crosby leave RCA? Most of his work at RCA that I am familiar with was done in the 1930s and 1940s, I assumed that by the 1950s he had moved on? > He was not involved in RCA's AM stereo experiments, although RCA's > AM/FM system was designed based on Crosby's FM principles, including > the FM discriminator and AM limiter. Actually the RCA AM stereo system was based more on Armstrong's FM principles, than it was on Crosby's, in the sense that RCA used a phase shift modulator to produce the "FM" signal in their AM stereo transmitter. They didn't use Armstrong's original crude type of phase shift modulator, but rather used the Serrasoid modulator developed by J.R. Day in the late 1940s. The Serrasoid modulator was a sophisticated phase modulation circuit that replaced both the Armstrong and Crosby FM systems, and ruled the FM broadcast waves until FM stereo rendered it impractical, and obsolete, in the 1960s. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Sep 13 09:18:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55724 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 16:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 16:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 16:18:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 16:18:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:18:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn: Cam-D article/HD Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1992 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Our testing here at WOR of the HD system has shown the HD carriers > > are very robust with about 1500 watts power into the array. We > > easily cover our whole 5 millivolt contour day and night. > > Sorry, but that's not very impressive. Whatever happened to the > ideal of providing good groundwave coverage out to the 0.5 mV/m > contour? The 0.5 mV/m contour is useless for decent reception, and for a 50 kW station is probably well beyond the nighttime fading zone. In any case, how do you know that they aren't getting solid coverage out to nearly the 0.5 mV/m contour for the "HD carriers", which after all are only 1.5 kW, not the 50 kW that determines the 0.5 mV/m contour you are refering to? Think about what will happen when WOR goes all digital, if they boost the "HD carriers" up to the full 50 kW! That 5.0 mV/m contour will suddenly become something better than the 1.0 mV/m contour, if not quite your 0.5 mV/m contour. > And NYC's big 50 kW AM stations frequently get ratings in > Philadelphia and Allentown, PA -- both well outside their 5.0 mV/m > coverage areas, but their signals are still good enough there for > people to listen to. (Indeed, NYC's sports station 660 WFAN is > serving as stiff competition in the ratings to Philly's *own* sports > station 610 WIP!) I don't know exactly where Allentown is, but I would be surprised if Philadelphia at least, isn't well inside the 0.5 mV/m contour of WFAN, and probably closer to the 5.0 mV/m contour than the 0.5 mV/m contour. > You may find that to be an acceptable trade-off, but I don't. > What's the point of transmitting a signal that causes *more* > interference on the band and yet has *less* coverage? Microsoft > may have popularized bloated inefficency in the computer world, but > we certainly don't need it on our radio airwaves. Speak for yourself, everyone does not share your opinions. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Sep 13 09:24:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71923 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 16:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 16:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 16:24:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 16:24:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:24:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cam-D article from Radio World Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 941 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Nice try, bub! We're not talking about the "full-digital" version > of IBOC here, since it's not in use today, and likely won't be for > many years yet to come. Right now, we're dealing with the hybrid > analog/digital version of IBOC, which occupies a total of 30 kHz of > bandwidth -- as compared to analog AM, analog AM Stereo, and CAM-D's > total bandwidth of 20 kHz. No, we are talking about some imaginary Kahn "vaporware" system that will probably never even see the light of day. I for one do not expect that Kahn will ever get the Cam-D system to work, and if he does get something working it will probably not be the same system he is calling Cam-D today. The "full-digital" version of IBOC is at least a real system, even though it will be a few years before stations use it on the air regularly. Try that on for size "bub"! John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Sep 13 09:32:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71625 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 16:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 16:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 16:32:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 16:32:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:32:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005f01c379b6$f34044b0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2584 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > I stand corrected... they are a previous 1B Clear and they share 710 > with KIRO in Seattle. > Do you know why the FCC asked for "additional protection"? Who were > they supposed to be protecting? No, sorry, I don't think Tom said, I think he just said they had to provide additional protection with the new array. One of the two deep nulls does seem to be in the general direction of Seattle. The previous null towards the Northwest has been split into two deeper nulls with a tongue between the nulls. At least that is what the FCC data base said back around the beginning of the year, I suppose WOR could have changed the new design since then. > 710 is a USA clear and there are only 2 historical occupants in > North and Central America who are afforded any protection... WOR and > KIRO. Of course these days you never know. When I was checking for > my original post, I was surprised to find WAQI in Miami (a class B > with 50 kw DA2 on WOR's turf). Has the Miami station always been a > 50 kw station? > > > > Their new antenna looks like it will have sharp nulls. > > The data I am using to plot is 2 or 3 years old so I don't have the > data for the new array. The data for the new WOR array application is on the FCC web page. > I guess I should go the FC database and download the data and > compare them. While I'm thinking about it... I occasionally check > http://www.radio-locator.com > to see RF plots since the demise of the Kodis page, Do I dare admit that I did the AM pattern algorithms for John Kodis? I wanted to include the effects of ground conductivity, but trying to convert the ground conductivity data to a usable form was more than I wanted to tackle at the time. > and I've found Radio-Locator to be unreliable, to say the least. > I realize that Radio-Locator takes ground conductivity into > consideration, but their night-time RF plots are bizarre. Yes, I had forgotten about that, I haven't noticed it recently, I think it only applied to certain stations, but not all. I will have to try and remember which stations I have seen the bizarre patterns on. > Does this mean that WOR no longer has the option to let out their > pattern to the normal limits for a 1B clear (assuming they wanted > to)? If they currently have this option, I wonder if it may be a daytime only option? If they do presently have this daytime option, perhaps they don't need to provide additional daytime protection, and it will also apply to the new array? John From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Sep 13 14:03:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17157 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 21:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 21:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 21:03:58 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.151]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:04:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c37a3a$774c8060$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: list servers(off topic) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:03:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I need to know of a private server for a different discussion group I belong to that will allow pictures to come through and be stored- and with NO advertising. (not radio related- and no, not anything evil, either... LOL) Please let me know if any of you know of anything . Thanks, Chris From oscar@globility.com Sat Sep 13 14:10:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18228 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 21:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 21:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.140) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 21:10:19 -0000 Received: from MTS_001 (perdition.echo-on.net [205.189.151.14]) by smtp3.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B1B556F for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200309131710230375.0067D9B1@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:10:23 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: want to record Disney in stereo but.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Uh, ahem, tap tap tap ;-)). M.S. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/13/2003 at 7:46 AM amradiorocks2003 wrote: >There are a few stations here that are in AM stereo, One of them is >a country station, and another an Oldies station, unfortunately i >dont have a Am stereo receiver so i dont really know how good it >sounds, I know that Am mono music does sound fine with a good signal >and when other stations are not bleeding over. > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 15:35:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55941 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 22:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 22:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 22:35:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 22:35:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:35:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: list servers(off topic) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c37a3a$774c8060$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 403 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I need to know of a private server for a different discussion group > I belong to that will allow pictures to come through and be stored- > and with NO advertising. (not radio related- and no, not anything > evil, either... LOL) Have you tried SmartGroups? http://www.smartgroups.com/ I don't know if they retain attachments, but I do know they have less on-screen advertising than Yahoo Groups. From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Sat Sep 13 16:12:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11291 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 23:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 23:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 23:12:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2003 23:12:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:12:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030912150148.89754.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 411 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "alfredotorrejon" X-Originating-IP: 216.99.197.180 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > Naaahh! Too feeble. A DX-2000 will do it... > > All jokes aside, I do know of a Graveyard station in > GA that is running a > Harris SX-5 at full tilt! I figure the FCC will nail > 'em sooner or later. > > Kevin With the lousy ground conductivity in Georgia, I'll bet that those extra 4 kW just heat up the soil. ;) Alfredo From stodd@vippn.com Sat Sep 13 16:15:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62803 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 23:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 23:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 23:15:02 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c37a4d$60328560$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do something about it Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:18:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I called both my Senators and urged them to keep the current ownership caps on, but to defeat the Fairness Doctrine reinstatement. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > > How many have contacted their local "representative"? - it's supposed to > be a democracy you know - rang a talkback station? - or written to the > press? From stodd@vippn.com Sat Sep 13 16:20:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68163 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 23:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 23:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 23:20:03 -0000 Message-ID: <002f01c37a4e$14189920$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD demo Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:23:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Doubtless it will until radios come out with the scan function is redesigned. Til then it will likely frustrate the listeners some, and a few may get pulled and sent to the service depot with nothing wrong. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "amstereorules" > Yes, so does my analog radio, but I can't reveal which FM station! > Have to remain anonymous. Did you ever think this defeats the seek > and scan on many radios? - Mario > From stodd@vippn.com Sat Sep 13 16:24:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69322 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 23:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 23:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 23:24:01 -0000 Message-ID: <003a01c37a4e$a22e7fe0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Cam-D article from Radio World Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:27:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not exactly- the Gates tube exciters of the 50s and 60s were all stereo and/or subcarrier capable. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "bta_50g" > > The Serrasoid modulator was a > sophisticated phase modulation circuit that replaced both the > Armstrong and Crosby FM systems, and ruled the FM broadcast waves > until FM stereo rendered it impractical, and obsolete, in the 1960s. > From stodd@vippn.com Sat Sep 13 16:30:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40824 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2003 23:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2003 23:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2003 23:30:08 -0000 Message-ID: <004d01c37a4f$7caca480$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: want to record Disney in stereo but.... Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:33:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude We've gotta change that before long! Get to a salvage yard and buy a late 80s Chrysler radio and you'll be off to a good start. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "amradiorocks2003" > There are a few stations here that are in AM stereo, One of them is > a country station, and another an Oldies station, unfortunately i > dont have a Am stereo receiver so i dont really know how good it > sounds, From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 17:24:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31122 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 00:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 00:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80501.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 00:24:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20030914002406.99068.qmail@web80501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.44.135] by web80501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:24:06 PDT Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- alfredotorrejon wrote: > --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > > Naaahh! Too feeble. A DX-2000 will do it... > > > > All jokes aside, I do know of a Graveyard station > in > > GA that is running a > > Harris SX-5 at full tilt! I figure the FCC will > nail > > 'em sooner or later. > > > > Kevin > > With the lousy ground conductivity in Georgia, I'll > bet that those > extra 4 kW just heat up the soil. ;) > > Alfredo Or explode granite pieces..... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 18:19:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31979 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 01:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 01:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 01:19:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 01:19:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 01:19:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HD demo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002f01c37a4e$14189920$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2068 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Doubtless it will until radios come out with the scan function is > redesigned. Til then it will likely frustrate the listeners some, > and a few may get pulled and sent to the service depot with nothing > wrong. Modern AM Stereo receivers may be less prone to this problem, because with the MC13022 and newer C-Quam decoders, Motorola implemented a function to help prevent the radio from stopping on an unlistenable frequency -- as long as the radio's tuning system is tied in with the C-Quam chip, that is, but I do know that at least the Chrysler AMAX radios are set up correctly. Anyway, the decoder's "Signal Quality Detector", which is also used to control the IF bandwidth, stereo blend, and amount of cosine correction, is also used to control the "stop sense", which triggers the radio to stop seeking when it finds a station. Regular mono radios often will stop on unlistenable frequencies, such as the "graveyard channels" that get filled up with noise at night and may present a strong signal strength to the tuner but don't contain any listenable station. I don't know how well Motorola's design deals with the IBOC sideband "hash", but at least in theory, it should always stop at the IBOC station's correct frequency, not one or two channels away. FM is a different story, of course, but at least in my experience, the current FM IBOC system puts out much less noise on either side of the signal than the system they were testing a few years ago, which caused a very noticeable "buzzing bee" sound. 102.7 WNEW in NYC is using IBOC, and the only noticeable effect is a slight increase in the amount of white noise on either side of their signal, and a slight "digital whine" sound amongst the hiss if you have the radio tuned to just the right distance away from the carrier. It's definitely not NEARLY as obnoxiously obtrusive and as destructive to reception of adjacent channels as IBOC is on the AM band -- although, in my case, WNEW could be transmitting their IBOC sidebands at a lower than normal power level. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 18:22:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95958 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 01:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 01:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 01:22:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 01:22:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 01:22:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: want to record Disney in stereo but.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004d01c37a4f$7caca480$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 285 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > We've gotta change that before long! Get to a salvage yard and buy > a late 80s Chrysler radio and you'll be off to a good start. Or, go to this site and order a shiny new Sony AM Stereo/FM Stereo radio for as little as US$45.00: http://www.audiocubes.com/index.php?cPath=71_65 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 19:36:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41398 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 02:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 02:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 02:36:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20030914023611.73158.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:36:11 PDT Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Welcome to a new person on the list To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio AMRADIOROCKS2003 wrote: "i dont have a Am stereo receiver so i dont really know how good it sounds" Welcome AM2003: Analog AM Stereo does sound great when it's 'done correctly'. I hope that you'll get an AMSt radio soon - best bet is an automotive radio from eBay or garage sales. If you're in doubt about a radio for sale on eBay whether or not it has AM Stereo, just ask us here and we'll be most happy to help you know which ones do and which ones are marked incorrectly. Welcome again. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Sep 13 20:33:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11466 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 03:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 03:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 03:33:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 03:33:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 03:33:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Cam-D article from Radio World Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003a01c37a4e$a22e7fe0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1932 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Not exactly- the Gates tube exciters of the 50s and 60s had no inbuilt facilities to handle any sort of sub carriers, either stereo or SCA. What they had were a BNC output and input connection from/to the multiplier chain at about 12 mHz, which were normally jumpered via a short piece of coaxial cable. By removing this jumper, a pair of coax cables could be connected to an external phase modulator circuit. This external phase modulator operated at a high enough frequency that it could handle the high frequencies of the sub carriers. The Gates tube FM stereo generators of the 60's included a phase modulator circuit designed to work with this connection. The problem is that this was all a very Rube Goldberg like setup, and involved many different time delay and phase correction networks, plus the additional phase modulator. I have a couple of these Gates stereo generators in my collection of tube FM stereo generators. I said the introduction of FM stereo rendered the serrasoid modulator "impractical, and obsolete", I didn't say it couldn't be made to handle stereo. In fact in my experience the Gates serrasoid exciter, and stereo generator were the most popular early FM stereo setup, but the concept didn't survive into the second generation of FM stereo equipment, it was probably just a way to make use of the existing technology, until the next generation could be readied. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Not exactly- the Gates tube exciters of the 50s and 60s were all > stereo and/or subcarrier capable. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bta_50g" > > > > > The Serrasoid modulator was a > > sophisticated phase modulation circuit that replaced both the > > Armstrong and Crosby FM systems, and ruled the FM broadcast waves > > until FM stereo rendered it impractical, and obsolete, in the > > 1960s. From tomray@wor710.com Sat Sep 13 20:52:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59732 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 03:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 03:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 03:52:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 03:52:09 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72215 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 03:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 03:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 03:06:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 03:06:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 03:06:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New IBOC Codec Samples Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 408 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 14 Sep 2003 03:52:08 -0000 Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls: WOR installed the latest iBiquity codec yesterday. Audio samples are posted on the WOR website.....www.wor710.com, click on the WOR-HD link. We also have a page up (or will have, shortly) showing why we dumped off the air at 5:18 yesterday afternoon....completely unrelated to the IBOC carrier. Thought you might find it interesting. Have at it and enjoy! TR From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 21:11:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27865 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 04:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 04:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 04:11:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 04:11:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 04:11:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Why WOR went off the air Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 79 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "RJSKADL" X-Originating-IP: 24.187.99.188 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/burned_coil.htm Thanks for the insight Tom. From rwagoner1@mac.com Sat Sep 13 21:18:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19083 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 04:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 04:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 04:18:38 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030914041836.DYBW13988.fed1mtao07.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 00:18:36 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:18:36 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} New IBOC Codec Samples Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <82B1FA8F-E66A-11D7-BAE4-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner They are much better than before. Only problem is they still don't seem right. Hard to describe, but when you hear the source samples, they sound good enough that I can crank 'em. With the IBOC samples, there is a sound that my ears don't like, very similar to a sound that caused me to dump the cheap Sears stereo in my Camaro a few years ago. The midrange just sounds "unclear" to me, and not as nice as the audio from my GE Superradio 3. Not being an engineer, I don't know if its the processing, the encoding, or the IBOC system that is causing this (or perhaps a combination). But they do sound far far better than before. Thanks for including source material samples. What would be nice, though I don't think you'd go for it, is to include audio samples from a good analog tuner, such as the GE, a Carver, or a Fanfare. A real head to head, especially if it could be done either by an uninvolved third party or a team of IBOC supporters and of analog C-QUAM supporters, would be eye-opening to both sides, I would bet. Would sound like the new IBOC samples bring music listeners back to AM? Doubtful. It's not good enough for that. Same problem many analog AM stereo radios had -- they just didn't sound good enough (though others did). And I still think stereo is almost immaterial ... if the sound was clean and full, stereo would be a benefit, but the nice audio would do more. My GE is one of the most enjoyable radios you can buy today for any price less than $1600. Any possibility of a real head-to-head happening? Perhaps each side could use the same source files and send the result to a neutral web site??? Richard On Saturday, September 13, 2003, at 08:06 PM, Tom Ray wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls: > > WOR installed the latest iBiquity codec yesterday. Audio samples are > posted on the WOR website.....www.wor710.com, click on the WOR-HD > link. > > We also have a page up (or will have, shortly) showing why we dumped > off the air at 5:18 yesterday afternoon....completely unrelated to > the IBOC carrier. Thought you might find it interesting. > > Have at it and enjoy! > > TR > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From zebra@strangeanimals.net Sat Sep 13 21:48:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60241 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 04:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 04:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 04:48:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 04:48:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 04:48:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: new IBOC codecs Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiozebra" X-Originating-IP: 64.81.68.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra They are now better than analog AM stereo, overall. No two ways about it IMHO. But they should tone down the harmonic multiplication a bit. Dropping the 16K slider does mostly fix things. I'd now buy one of these radios. As for DXing... well a sad farewell, eventually. Can KAHN improve on IBOC? Will anyone BUY IBOC radios? Unknown. But this is now listenable stereo music. I can't deny it. From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Sep 13 21:57:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34800 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 04:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 04:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.113) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 04:57:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:57:29 -0700 Received: from 172.129.174.69 by bay7-dav9.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 04:57:29 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20030912150148.89754.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD Sound Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 00:54:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2003 04:57:29.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3024670:01C37A7C] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.129.174.69] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Well actually it's not even legal for a 1 KW station to run one, EVEN at 1 KW. Yea, but we both know that many 1 KWs have a 5 KW box running at 1KW. > > Email me privately and I'll tattle. Why bother, all that 5KW is doing is defrosting the soil in the Winter LOL. The station still is not even covering the city of license! Kevin From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 22:13:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60729 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 05:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 05:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 05:13:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 05:13:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 05:13:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: want to record Disney in stereo but.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" wrote: > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jwelton@n..." > > wrote: > > > pianoplayer asked: > > > > > > > > I'm having problems recording 1110 KDIS from my listening > post > > in El > > > > > Cajon. With my SRF-42, I can hear the station (faint, but > > stereo is > > > > > on) using headphones, but when I plug in the patch cable to > the > > > > > computer, it blanks out KDIS and I get sideband interference > > from a > > > > > geographically close 1130. > > > -------------------------------------------- --------------------- > I recorded 1640 KDZR using an SRF-42 by patching the audio into a > laptop with none of the problems you mentioned. > > > -------------------------------------------- --------------------- > --- > > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > > http://mail2web.com/ . I have a bit of a problem, though.... http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/pics1/KDIS_AM_LD.gif fringe-signal sensitivity, give or take a little, is approximately at the purple line http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/pics1/KDIS_AM_LN.gif (although skywave does improve the signal sometimes...) (the X's are my approximate listening location.) and... a nearby interfering station: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/KSDO_AM_LD.gif http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/KSDO_AM_LN.gif Any suggestions? From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 22:45:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16462 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 05:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 05:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 05:45:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 05:45:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 05:45:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: want to record Disney in stereo but.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 420 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.241.214 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: =snip= > Any suggestions? Just one: Invest in a Terk AM loop antenna, such as the AM Advantage, or go for the more expensive Select-A-Tenna. Either of these antennas will act sort of like a tunable lens, and amplify the station's signal, while not amplifying the adjacent channels or nullifying them a bit. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bratina501@msn.com Sat Sep 13 22:57:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14820 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 05:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 05:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 05:57:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 05:57:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 05:57:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: want to record Disney in stereo but.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2155 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jwelton@n..." > > > > wrote: > > > > pianoplayer asked: > > > > > > > > > > I'm having problems recording 1110 KDIS from my listening > > post > > > in El > > > > > > Cajon. With my SRF-42, I can hear the station (faint, but > > > stereo is > > > > > > on) using headphones, but when I plug in the patch cable to > > the > > > > > > computer, it blanks out KDIS and I get sideband interference > > > from a > > > > > > geographically close 1130. > > > > -------------------------------------------- > --------------------- > > I recorded 1640 KDZR using an SRF-42 by patching the audio into a > > laptop with none of the problems you mentioned. > > > > -------------------------------------------- > --------------------- > > --- > > > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > I have a bit of a problem, though.... > > http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/pics1/KDIS_AM_LD.gif fringe-signal > sensitivity, give or take a little, is approximately at the purple line > http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/pics1/KDIS_AM_LN.gif (although > skywave does improve the signal sometimes...) (the X's are my > approximate listening location.) > > and... a nearby interfering station: > > http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/KSDO_AM_LD.gif > http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/KSDO_AM_LN.gif > > Any suggestions? --------------------------------------------------------------------- If you are willing to take apart your radio I have one to improve the sensitivity but not the selectivity I think you might have to add some narrower IF filters for that. First turn on the radio and take it apart next, locate the T1 varrible capacitor then get a small philips head screw driver and turn the ceramic screw untill the audio is as loud as you can get it. If that is not enough get some wire and wrap one end arround the bar antenna inside the radio and stretch out the wire. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 00:51:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79049 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 07:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 07:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 07:51:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 07:51:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 07:51:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New IBOC Codec Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <82B1FA8F-E66A-11D7-BAE4-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2231 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > They are much better than before. Only problem is they still don't > seem right. As expected, the new IBOC codec sounds virtually the same as DRM. What I hear in the samples is the same kind of harsh, gritty aliasing of the treble that the stereo DRM samples also exhibit. The best and simplest way I can describe it is that it sounds like the treble has been put through a cheese grater. It's also very reminiscent of when you do a sample rate conversion of digital audio without having the proper "anti-aliasing". This was common with older computer sound cards and would cause the same kind of harsh, metallic-sounding artifacts that I hear from DRM and this new DRM-esque IBOC. In fact, it might sound more natural and pleasant to the ear if you apply a 5.2 kHz brick-wall filter to the audio, because that's the point above which Spectral Band Replication (SBR) is used to create IBOC's synthetic treble response. > A real head to head, especially if it could be done either by an > uninvolved third party or a team of IBOC supporters and of analog > C-QUAM supporters, would be eye-opening to both sides, I would bet. Well, with my reference-quality multi-system AM Stereo generator and a complete CRL AM Stereo audio processing chain that will be arriving soon (courtesy of eBay), I do have the facilities to generate some comparative analog AM Stereo samples. All that I really lack is a reference-quality AM Stereo receiver, such as a Denon TU-680NAB or a Fanfare FTA-100P (hint hint wink wink). But I do have my multi-system Sony STR-AV470 which sounds very good after a slight modification to match it to the NRSC emphasis curve, as well as AMAX car radios from Chrysler and GM/Delco -- and even that infamous $5.00 Lennox Sound radio to provide an example of how good even the cheapest AM (mono) radios can sound. (And I'd like to see them design an IBOC receiver that can be sold for $5.00!) Then, of course, are the samples from KEVA, which are some of the best-sounding AM Stereo I've heard, especially from a station in the middle of nowhere, using such hopelessly antiquated equipment (ha!): http://www.1240keva.com/airchecks/ Definitely no "cheese grater" sound there! :-) From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 00:56:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64507 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 07:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 07:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 07:56:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20030914075605.34039.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.250.57] by web41206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 00:56:05 PDT Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 00:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Welcome to a new person on the list To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030914023611.73158.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Theres some sony ones on the audiocubes.com site as well. Michael "John P." wrote: AMRADIOROCKS2003 wrote: "i dont have a Am stereo receiver so i dont really know how good it sounds" Welcome AM2003: Analog AM Stereo does sound great when it's 'done correctly'. I hope that you'll get an AMSt radio soon - best bet is an automotive radio from eBay or garage sales. If you're in doubt about a radio for sale on eBay whether or not it has AM Stereo, just ask us here and we'll be most happy to help you know which ones do and which ones are marked incorrectly. Welcome again. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereorules@msn.com Sun Sep 14 02:25:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23187 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 09:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 09:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 09:25:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 09:25:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:25:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New IBOC Codec Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 798 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules Attention WOR Engineering department, This new codec sounds much better than the first files in January 2003 using the PAC codec. We can't judge these as WAV files in our house (or basement), though. Isn't that what you said last January? When I compared the 4 Non-Blondes song, it appears that the left- to-right is reversed in both digital and source samples. Also, the compression did bring the song's opening level up on the digital sample. Much improved over those trashy comparisons on the old codec. Though the off-air Walsh promo sounded the same as before. Did you upgrade from the old software in your iBiquity test receiver? And is the old software compatible with the new codec software? If not, how do the test receivers get upgraded? Thank you. - Mario From pd@96wnjo.com Sun Sep 14 07:33:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71850 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 14:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 14:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.visionsintegratedsystems.com) (65.209.59.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 14:33:26 -0000 Received: from chris ([67.83.121.197]) by mail.visionsintegratedsystems.com (Merak 5.3.2) with SMTP id BKA74110 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:33:27 -0400 To: Subject: Converting a Chrysler radio to AM ST Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:32:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Thomas Lawler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599 X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I have what I beleve is a 93 Chrysler AM/FM radio(with Bass/Trebel sliders and a NR button). The model # is 5269182 and looks just like a 89 Chrysler AM ST/FM ST radio. Does anyone know if I can convert this radio to recieve AM ST? Thansk! Thomas Lawler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 11:00:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37250 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 18:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 18:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 18:00:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 18:00:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:00:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: want to record Disney in stereo but.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 608 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.220 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 Yea i never thought of that, thanks for the suggestions. I hope to hear my Am stereo stations in stereo soon, I have always like how music sounds on Am, FM sounds way to high and has no deepth, thats how it sounds to me anyway. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > We've gotta change that before long! Get to a salvage yard and buy > > a late 80s Chrysler radio and you'll be off to a good start. > > Or, go to this site and order a shiny new Sony AM Stereo/FM Stereo > radio for as little as US$45.00: > > http://www.audiocubes.com/index.php?cPath=71_65 From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 11:09:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23097 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 18:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 18:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 18:09:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 18:09:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:09:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Welcome to a new person on the list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030914023611.73158.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1082 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.220 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 Thanks for the welcome, i have been a long time lurker here. I have checked out some garage sales in the last year or so, so far no luck. I have also looked on ebay, but all i can find is Fm stereo stuff. I will be lookin at a salvage yard in a day or so maybe i can find something there. And thanks once again for the welcome. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > AMRADIOROCKS2003 wrote: "i dont have a Am stereo receiver so i dont really know > how good it sounds" > > Welcome AM2003: Analog AM Stereo does sound great when it's 'done correctly'. > I hope that you'll get an AMSt radio soon - best bet is an automotive radio > from eBay or garage sales. If you're in doubt about a radio for sale on eBay > whether or not it has AM Stereo, just ask us here and we'll be most happy to > help you know which ones do and which ones are marked incorrectly. > Welcome again. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 11:23:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51734 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 18:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 18:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 18:23:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 18:23:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:23:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WLS Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 360 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.220 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 I remember listening to WLS down here at night here in Oklahoma in the late 80s on my little radio right before they went to talk, I had got it for my birthday, i was only a lil kid tho, but my brother listened to them for years before. If only the Am stereo standard would have been set. So what are you guys memories of WLS or your fav sation? Thanks.. From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 11:53:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57703 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 18:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 18:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 18:53:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 18:53:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:53:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: new IBOC codecs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 846 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.220 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 Very disappointing, i always hoped that someday AM stereo would come back strong, but IBOC may be putting what little chances it has.. The IBOC still sounds way to high, they need to lower the tone somewhat. Im also a Dx`er i guess i better get more time to Dx.. all i can in the next year, cause this could be the begaining to the end.. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amradiozebra" wrote: > They are now better than analog AM stereo, overall. > No two ways about it IMHO. But they should tone down the harmonic > multiplication a bit. Dropping the 16K slider does mostly fix > things. I'd now buy one of these radios. As for DXing... well > a sad farewell, eventually. > > Can KAHN improve on IBOC? > > Will anyone BUY IBOC radios? > > Unknown. > > But this is now listenable stereo music. > I can't deny it. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 12:21:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89491 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 19:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 19:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 19:21:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20030914192111.14692.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.250.57] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:21:11 PDT Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Welcome to a new person on the list To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus If you live in the States theres one on ebay with the C QUAM sound. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2431864816 copy and paste whole url if it wordwraps. Michael --- amradiorocks2003 wrote: > Thanks for the welcome, i have been a long time > lurker here. I have > checked out some garage sales in the last year or > so, so far no > luck. I have also looked on ebay, but all i can find > is Fm stereo > stuff. I will be lookin at a salvage yard in a day > or so maybe i can > find something there. And thanks once again for the > welcome. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From rwagoner1@mac.com Sun Sep 14 12:46:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31516 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 19:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 19:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 19:46:08 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030914194609.CTTS22020.fed1mtao03.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:46:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:46:06 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <14C13AB2-E6EC-11D7-9201-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Not really stereo related, but fans of classic top-40 radio MUST go to www.reelradio.com. Airchecks, including unscoped, of KFI, KHJ, WLS, WCFL and many, many more. You might even consider sending over stereo samples of similar stations (someone has the KFI 1984 that sounds wonderful. Perhaps we can increase our "influence" to a whole new group! Richard Wagoner On Sunday, September 14, 2003, at 11:23 AM, amradiorocks2003 wrote: > I remember listening to WLS down here at night here in Oklahoma in > the late 80s on my little radio right before they went to talk, I > had got it for my birthday, i was only a lil kid tho, but my brother > listened to them for years before. If only the Am stereo standard > would have been set. So what are you guys memories of WLS or your > fav sation? Thanks.. > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at Myinks.com. 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Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Sep 14 13:42:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94546 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 20:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 20:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 20:42:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 20:42:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:42:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AMS was (is?) more popular in Canada ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 175 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.7.165 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Reading an old ams thread on google groups apparently ams was more popular in Canada than the US ? Is this or was it true ? How many stations these days in Canada are ams? From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Sep 14 13:42:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3636 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 20:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 20:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 20:42:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:42:43 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:42:42 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: (W)WBF back in stereo Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:42:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2003 20:42:43.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF262370:01C37B00] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 After about a two month absence, WWBF (aka as WBF), Bartow, Florida is cranking out the oldies in stereo; at least in their daytime 2500 watt non-directional pattern. Not sure of the stereo status of their 500 watt nighttime directional pattern. It's good to see them back in stereo; for those of you(almost all the list), WWBF is in Bartow, Fl, which is about 40 miles due east of Tampa and about 45 miles south west of Disney World, so those of you visiting, Polk County(Bartow, Lakeland, Winter Haven, Lake Wales) or Plant City, east Tampa or Disney World, give them a listen, the separation is fantastic. This is a family run station, the "engineer" is also their morning show announcer and does their high school football games, her father is the sales person and his mother is the station's secretary. The engineer is Jeff Thornberg, he has am stereo in his 1990 auto, his father-in-law has it in his 2001 Lincoln and his father has am-stereo in his Ford. The station runs on a shoestring, and when the modulator went out several months ago, Jeff was overwhelmed and wasn't sure what to do, so he just packed it away and sent out some feelers to get it fixed. Then this past Tuesday, he received a phone call asking him about the stereo status and he said he was inspired to get the modulator out of packing and to start tinkering with it and by Thursday afternoon, 1130 WWBF am stereo was back. If anyone is ever the Bartow area during the week, Jeff can be reached at (863) 533-0744; if he's not on the air he'll be happy to talk on the phone or welcome you to see the station near the intersection of State Rd 60 and highway 17 in Bartow. donn tillman, st petersburg,fl _________________________________________________________________ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Sep 14 14:23:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48615 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 21:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 21:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 21:23:28 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1e3.fdc5a49 (4116) for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e3.fdc5a49.2c96364b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:23:23 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do something about it To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also indicated, in my letter, that I favor a ban on voicetracking on FM stations and more profitable AM stations in the nation's top 100 markets. A voicetracking ban would create jobs, instead of the job-elimination mode radio has been in the last seven years. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Sep 14 14:23:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70556 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 21:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 21:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 21:23:28 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.12d.3111e7c6 (4116) for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12d.3111e7c6.2c963649@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:23:21 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do something about it To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Restoring the Fairness Doctrine WILL NOT KILL TALK RADIO...it will only IMPROVE it by presenting BOTH SIDES of the issues. This is one reason why corporate-controlled commercial talk radio is losing listeners. Radio listeners seeking a balanced view of the issues have switched to public radio and more independent voices. It's no wonder I can't listen to corporate-controlled, commercial talk radio anymore. I'm tired of the personal attacks lashed about by Rush Limbaugh, Dr. Laura, Bill O'Reilly and their ilk against those who don't agree with them. They should be more civil about it, not threatening. Remember, the talk format was not the only format that saved AM radio. Let's not forget Adult Standards, which Al Ham created under the "Music of Your Life" trademark in 1979. There are other music formats that can save AM radio, including "Real Oldies", a '50s and '60s hit-based format featuring tunes that their former FM brethren have abandoned in favor of a softer Classic Hits format. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Sep 14 14:23:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48751 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 21:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 21:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 21:23:31 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1c2.ee69b4c (4116) for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c2.ee69b4c.2c963648@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:23:20 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: new IBOC codecs To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Still, IBOC is a poor excuse. Regardless of whatever "codec" IBOC uses, we should not tolerate it, and have this inferior technology banned. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Sun Sep 14 14:36:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60177 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 21:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 21:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 21:36:04 -0000 Message-ID: <004d01c37b08$b70f64a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Converting a Chrysler radio to AM ST Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:34:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I seem to remember Chris Cuff saying these couldn't be converted. They were made by Clarion, and while they looked similar on the outside, the insides were radically different. Oddly enough, most of the newer ones DO have the AMS chip, but with a few components omitted allowing only mono operation. If you could trace out the circuit and find out what was left off, you could get them to function as an AMS radio though you'd have no way to activate the ST indicator on the display. You'd have to drill a small hole for an LED unless you were willing to be without the indicator. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Lawler" > I have what I beleve is a 93 Chrysler AM/FM radio(with Bass/Trebel sliders > and a NR button). The model # is 5269182 and looks just like a 89 Chrysler > AM ST/FM ST radio. Does anyone know if I can convert this radio to recieve > AM ST? Thansk! From stodd@vippn.com Sun Sep 14 14:36:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91859 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 21:36:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 21:36:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 21:36:06 -0000 Message-ID: <004e01c37b08$b7fa60e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} new IBOC codecs Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:36:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It may be a big improvement, but I'd like to hear a decent head to head as was suggested earlier. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "amradiozebra" > They are now better than analog AM stereo, overall. > No two ways about it IMHO. But they should tone down the harmonic > multiplication a bit. From stodd@vippn.com Sun Sep 14 14:36:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67858 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 21:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 21:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 21:36:08 -0000 Message-ID: <004f01c37b08$b8e55d20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} (W)WBF back in stereo Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:38:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thanks for the great news, Donn. A call or two can sometimes make all the difference in the world. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" > > After about a two month absence, WWBF (aka as WBF), Bartow, Florida is > cranking out the oldies in stereo; at least in their daytime 2500 watt > non-directional pattern. Not sure of the stereo status of their 500 watt > nighttime directional pattern. From stodd@vippn.com Sun Sep 14 14:53:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47634 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 21:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 21:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 21:53:14 -0000 Message-ID: <005b01c37b0b$1f74a260$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <12d.3111e7c6.2c963649@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do something about it Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:56:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Get real! You're not old enough to remember talk radio way back when. The reason so few stations touched it was because they didn't want the hassle of giving every whiner equal time. And before Rush it was mostly liberal! Lousy too. Besides, there'll soon be a talk network for lefties, so the FD won't be needed (unless it flops.) As for lack of civility, you could try telling that to your pals like Barbara Streisand and Alec Baldwin. I know Michael Savage has called liberalism a mental disease, but I don't think I've ever heard him call for stoning someone; not that Baldwin can claim the same thing. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > Restoring the Fairness Doctrine WILL NOT KILL TALK RADIO...it will only > IMPROVE it by presenting BOTH SIDES of the issues. I'm tired of the personal attacks lashed about by Rush > Limbaugh, Dr. Laura, Bill O'Reilly and their ilk against those who don't agree > with them. They should be more civil about it, not threatening. From rwagoner1@mac.com Sun Sep 14 15:08:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44302 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 22:08:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 22:08:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 22:08:55 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030914220853.LIAZ10480.fed1mtao01.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:08:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:08:52 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do something about it Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <005b01c37b0b$1f74a260$827dfea9@home1> Message-Id: <066EA568-E700-11D7-9201-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner People who claim Rush fills his show with personal attacks really haven't listened to his show. Regardless, the fairness doctrine isn't what I want. News and public affairs (broadcasting in the public interest) would be nice. Remember when even top-40 stations (KHJ for example) had full news staffs and even won more awards than the all-news stations? Here's another example of a problem with consolidation. KIIS-FM, back in the mid 1980s, had a 10+ share of the 12+ audience. They DOMINATED Los Angeles. Now they have the lowest rating they have had since they were all disco (and AM still ruled the airwaves). Yet owner Clear Channel has no real incentive to make them better (they really suck on the air) because if KIIS-FM does better, the listeners would probably come from Star 98.7, Hot 92.3, KBIG or KOST -- all owned by Clear Channel. Media consolidation, in other words, has made lousy radio the norm and essentially, the requirement for success. My guess is that the dominance of Clear Channel across the US has caused similar situations in almost every major city. Richard Wagoner On Sunday, September 14, 2003, at 02:56 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > Get real! You're not old enough to remember talk radio way back when. > The > reason so few stations touched it was because they didn't want the > hassle of > giving every whiner equal time. And before Rush it was mostly liberal! > Lousy too. Besides, there'll soon be a talk network for lefties, so > the FD > won't be needed (unless it flops.) As for lack of civility, you could > try > telling that to your pals like Barbara Streisand and Alec Baldwin. I > know > Michael Savage has called liberalism a mental disease, but I don't > think > I've ever heard him call for stoning someone; not that Baldwin can > claim the > same thing. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > >> Restoring the Fairness Doctrine WILL NOT KILL TALK RADIO...it will >> only >> IMPROVE it by presenting BOTH SIDES of the issues. > > I'm tired of the personal attacks lashed about by Rush >> Limbaugh, Dr. Laura, Bill O'Reilly and their ilk against those who >> don't > agree >> with them. They should be more civil about it, not threatening. > From w6yn@juno.com Sun Sep 14 15:11:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85254 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 22:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 22:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 22:11:31 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCRFI+toyXLI3wAKzdynrcuE=">; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:11:20 PDT Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H93RK79Z; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:11:20 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:10:35 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do something about it Message-ID: <20030914.151045.1916.1.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: W6YN Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Eric, What does "Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN" signify? They appear to be call signs but nothing the FCC would issue. Don On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:23:20 EDT n0uiheric@aol.com writes: 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Sep 14 15:32:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63301 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 22:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 22:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 22:32:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:32:21 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.60 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:32:21 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} (W)WBF back in stereo Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:32:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2003 22:32:21.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[100852E0:01C37B10] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.60] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Scott Todd wrote: >"Thanks for the great news, Donn.  A call or two can sometimes make all the difference in the world. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It is good news at a time when we seem to be in short supply of good news or even positive posts here. Hopefully other stations may soon return to stereo. WWBF is the only station I can use as a benchmark to see if the pilot light on my Panasonic portable is working; unfortunately all the am stereo stations (WLS - 890, WJR - 760 etc) that many people on the list in the eastern half of North America can hear, are not receivable here in St Petersburg. donn st petersburg,fl _________________________________________________________________ Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. https://broadband.msn.com From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 15:54:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55571 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 22:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 22:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 22:54:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 22:53:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:53:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Older Am radios Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 306 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.220 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 I listen to AM on my old Rca AM/FM table radio ( I bought it for 5 bucks at a yard sell.) it looks 70s and sounds really good, Its solid state as it says. I have heard that older radios sound better..When i turned it on to a good AM music station it did sound better then any newer radio i have.. hmm. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 18:30:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15110 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 01:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 01:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 01:30:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 01:30:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:29:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: are these specs ok for sensitivity? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 512 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I'm considering getting a unit with mp3, AM/FM, etc... Are these specs ok? (the radio doesn't have AM St) FM sensitivity - 5uV at S/N 26db AM sensitivity - 68dbuV at 1000KHz I'm thinking about getting a Pogo Products Radio YourWay mp3 player/recorder/AMFMtuner. Anyone have any experience with these? (btw... I'm not planning to get it directly from Pogo, I'm planning to try to save some $ ... don't know if I'm gonna try for an online retailer, see if a local store carries it, or go with ebay, though... From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 19:28:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28392 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 02:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 02:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 02:28:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 02:28:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:28:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: want to record Disney in stereo but.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 299 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I tried recording directly to a tape at night when skywave would be improving the signal, but the connection brings it right back down to the gutter. Is there anything I can do short of going to Radio Shack and buying some adapter or antenna or something so I can record it at max signal strength? From rwagoner1@mac.com Sun Sep 14 19:43:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner1@mac.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27292 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 02:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 02:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 02:43:40 -0000 Received: from mac.com ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030915024339.FQJJ1598.fed1mtao04.cox.net@mac.com> for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:43:39 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:43:43 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Older Am radios Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6BAB3A16-E726-11D7-BABB-0005021D3C76@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135738921 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner There are a few good portables available now. The GE Superradio comes to mind. Few, though. On Sunday, September 14, 2003, at 03:53 PM, amradiorocks2003 wrote: > I listen to AM on my old Rca AM/FM table radio ( I bought it for 5 > bucks at a yard sell.) it looks 70s and sounds really good, Its > solid state as it says. I have heard that older radios sound > better..When i turned it on to a good AM music station it did sound > better then any newer radio i have.. hmm. From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Sep 14 20:18:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39356 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 03:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 03:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 03:18:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:18:30 -0700 Received: from 172.132.155.83 by bay7-dav34.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:18:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:15:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2003 03:18:30.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[0982FBF0:01C37B38] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.132.155.83] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 amradiorocks2003 wrote: >If only the Am stereo standard would have been set. So what are you guys memories of WLS or your fav sation? Thanks.. WLS sounded awesome playing music in C-QUAM Stereo in the 80's, but my all-time favorite stations was "The Big Ape". Yea, WAPE 690 in Jacksonville, FL was the best station ever to modulate a carrier. Anybody here remember the WAPE pool parties in the cooling pool at the transmitter site? WAPE had the only heated pool in town with a 50,000 Watt heater! They had a BIG billboard in Myrtle Beach, SC that said "600 Miles Of Music" WAPE was real radio! Other GREAT AM stations I grew up listening to were: WCFL 1000 Chicago, IL WQOK 1440 Greenville, SC WORD 910 Spartanburg, SC WABC 770 New York WOWO 1190 Fort Wayne, IN WLAC 1510 Nashville, TN WISE 1300 Asheville, NC WETB 790 Johnson City, TN Even as a youngster I enjoyed the Big Band music on WMRB 1490 and Classical on WQXR 1560. It makes me wonder if a classical station in C-QUAM would live and thrive in this market. The best AM on the dial now, I think is CHWO 740. It is a shame it has been killed with QRM since this past Spring. I like the format of WSAI, but the audio through the IBOC exciter sounds like sh*t. It also kills my chances of hearing WWKB. Kevin From tomray@wor710.com Sun Sep 14 20:21:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56181 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 03:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 03:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 03:21:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 03:21:49 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80495 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 22:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 22:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 22:55:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 22:55:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:55:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New IBOC Codec Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <82B1FA8F-E66A-11D7-BAE4-0005021D3C76@mac.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3601 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Sep 2003 03:21:45 -0000 I listened to the recordings at decent volume today, and there appears to be a midrange spike in the digital procesing.....what I was hearing sounded more like processing artifacts than data reduction artifacts, though the output of the processor could easily be affected by the data reduction. I've got to get into that later this week. The digital processor is acting a little too aggressively, even though it is showing it isn't really doing much. Once that's reset, I'll redo a few recordings......and maybe simply fire the CD player directly into the exciter to see what happens. TR From tomray@wor710.com Sun Sep 14 20:21:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92752 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 03:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 03:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 03:21:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 03:21:56 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88710 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 22:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 22:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 22:56:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 22:56:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:56:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Why WOR went off the air Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 331 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Sep 2003 03:21:56 -0000 Any time. We vacuumed the cabinet before taking pictures.....some things are a little too gross to show.....the things you see when you service things like this...... TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: > http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/burned_coil.htm > > Thanks for the insight Tom. From tomray@wor710.com Sun Sep 14 20:22:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12915 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 03:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 03:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 03:22:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 03:22:35 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70562 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 23:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 23:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 23:04:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 23:04:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:04:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New IBOC Codec Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1495 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Sep 2003 03:22:35 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > simplest way I can describe it is that it sounds like the treble has > been put through a cheese grater. You know, I attempted Donna Summer's "Last Dance", and the, well, I call them "curtain bells" at the beginning sounded like they went through a shredder. But I've had that issue with some processors, too. > > It's also very reminiscent of when you do a sample rate conversion of > digital audio without having the proper "anti-aliasing". This was > common with older computer sound cards and would cause the same kind > of harsh, metallic-sounding artifacts that I hear from DRM and this > new DRM-esque IBOC. That was also an issue with early digital satellite equipment....something Scientific Atlanta spent countless hours and dollars on correcting with DATS and SEDAT. I think I first need to get into the processing and back that down a bit.....and I'm thinking of doing the tests with the added element of firing the CD player directly into the exciter naked with no processing. That would really be a fair test. Hey.....what type of C-QUAM exciter are you getting? This might be the perfect opportunity for us to get together and shake hands (to bury the hatchet, so to speak), and run some side by side tests. Does the exciter have an RF sample output that we could drive a mod monitor with? We could A/B the exciters under the exact same conditions. Up for it? TR From tomray@wor710.com Sun Sep 14 20:23:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16741 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 03:23:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 03:23:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 03:23:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 03:23:16 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40365 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 23:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 23:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 23:18:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 23:18:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:18:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New IBOC Codec Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3205 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Sep 2003 03:23:13 -0000 Hi, Mario. > This new codec sounds much better than the first files in January > 2003 using the PAC codec. We can't judge these as WAV files in our > house (or basement), though. Isn't that what you said last January? Actually, if you have a good set of computer speakers, you can do a fair comparison at home. This statement was intended for "joe average" with little computer experience, attempting to download these files on a dialup modem (which would take forever!). > > When I compared the 4 Non-Blondes song, it appears that the left- > to-right is reversed in both digital and source samples. Also, the > compression did bring the song's opening level up on the digital > sample. Yeah....I discovered, after the fact, that we have a L/R reversal issue at the output of the D/A converter we are using on the output of the radio (radio is AES output). I'll correct that with the next set of recordings. On the processing, it looks like the processor is considerably lighter than the WOR analog processing, but it still sounds a tad aggressive. That's something else I'm looking into. And I'm also considering doing some recordings with the CD player fired naked into the exciter. > Did you upgrade from the old software in your iBiquity test > receiver? And is the old software compatible with the new codec > software? If not, how do the test receivers get upgraded? Thank > you. The test receiver is simply a fancy computer, and the program it runs is capable of only doing what it's told. After the upgrade, the receiver will not decode PAC signals. I can get the call letters on WPAT and WZRC to show, but no digital audio. I understand that this won't be an issue in radios. The program running on the test radio has a lot of overhead due to the test functions it can perform. The test receivers get upgraded much like you upgrade something like Microsoft Windows, but it does not retain the previous values. This goes for the exciter, as well. The major adjustments are all in the exciter, and we needed to write down all the settings before blowing up the old load. Since this was a major correction to the program (to demod a completely different codec), we needed to start with an upgrade of the Linux operating system....and, unfortunately, I'm not very up on Linux, so I'm not sure why we needed to upgrade the O/S AND the program we were running. Very simply, you start with the O/S CD, boot the RX from the CD ROM drive, the op system loads, then prompts you for the next CD, which is the receiver program. Do a reboot and up she comes. As a side note, the exciter decided to start a slow crash around midnight on Thursday/Friday.....I discovered this on the way into the office (the safetys took the exciter off line, so the transmitter was running in strictly analog mode). So Friday morning, I had to reboot the transmitter!! I expect to have in my hot little hands a Kenwood car HD radio around the first of November.....a first generation production model. Then, we can try some recording while tooling along in traffic. Maybe we can do a road show around lunchtime if anyone is interested? TR From tomray@wor710.com Sun Sep 14 20:23:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46593 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 03:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 03:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 03:23:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tomray@wor710.com Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 03:23:28 -0000 X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88129 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 23:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 23:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 23:20:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 23:20:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:20:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} new IBOC codecs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004e01c37b08$b7fa60e0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 627 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 24.161.40.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Sep 2003 03:23:25 -0000 Scott: See a previous post. I'm willing, and yes, it would be fair. When I was at WTIC, we had the C-QUAM cranking and sounding really good. So we could do a great side by side test to make a good comparison. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > It may be a big improvement, but I'd like to hear a decent head to head as > was suggested earlier. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "amradiozebra" > > > They are now better than analog AM stereo, overall. > > No two ways about it IMHO. But they should tone down the harmonic > > multiplication a bit. From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 20:40:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84405 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 03:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 03:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 03:40:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 03:40:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:40:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1892 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.220 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 Wow thats cool, I wish i could have been older so i could have heard WABC,I have heard some of their old air checks, Dan was was cool from what i heard. Now days i listen to KUOA on the weekends ( they play 60 and 70s top 40.) , im not sure if they are AM stereo.. There is a real Oldie around that plays 30s-60s music thats in stereo, i would like to hear them in stereo. As for other stations i listened to was WSM 650. I still tune into them on occasion. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Possum Hunter" wrote: > amradiorocks2003 wrote: > >If only the Am stereo standard would have been set. So what are you guys > memories of WLS or your fav sation? Thanks.. > > WLS sounded awesome playing music in C-QUAM Stereo in the 80's, but my > all-time favorite stations was "The Big Ape". Yea, WAPE 690 in Jacksonville, > FL was the best station ever to modulate a carrier. Anybody here remember > the WAPE pool parties in the cooling pool at the transmitter site? WAPE had > the only heated pool in town with a 50,000 Watt heater! They had a BIG > billboard in Myrtle Beach, SC that said "600 Miles Of Music" WAPE was real > radio! > > Other GREAT AM stations I grew up listening to were: > WCFL 1000 Chicago, IL > WQOK 1440 Greenville, SC > WORD 910 Spartanburg, SC > WABC 770 New York > WOWO 1190 Fort Wayne, IN > WLAC 1510 Nashville, TN > WISE 1300 Asheville, NC > WETB 790 Johnson City, TN > > Even as a youngster I enjoyed the Big Band music on WMRB 1490 and Classical > on WQXR 1560. It makes me wonder if a classical station in C-QUAM would live > and thrive in this market. > > The best AM on the dial now, I think is CHWO 740. It is a shame it has been > killed with QRM since this past Spring. I like the format of WSAI, but the > audio through the IBOC exciter sounds like sh*t. It also kills my chances of > hearing WWKB. > > Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 20:55:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90333 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 03:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 03:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 03:55:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20030915035540.13718.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:55:40 PDT Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AM Stereo Tuner? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio AMRADIOROCKS2003 wrote: "i dont have a Am stereo receiver so i dont really know how good it sounds" BTW, if you want THE BEST Stereo AM tuner made, get the FTA-100 from Fanfare - it is the best sounding tuner you can buy. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 20:59:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56752 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 03:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 03:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 03:59:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20030915035924.14091.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:59:24 PDT Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AMS Conversion? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Thomas Lawler wrote: "Subject: Converting a Chrysler radio to AM ST I have what I beleve is a 93 Chrysler AM/FM radio(with Bass/Trebel sliders and a NR button). The model # is 5269182" Hi Thomas: I bought the same radio and it's collecting dust, as the bad news is that it is the one year that they didn't have AM stereo in them. You would have to add an AM stereo board to it, and it would involve some serious work to switch the audio L & R inputs to switch when you switch bands. Unless you want the challenge, you should get a Chrysler with the joystick or GM Delco with the AMST button for your car, and a Fanfare for your home! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 21:08:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28341 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 04:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 04:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 04:08:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 04:08:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:08:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Tuner? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030915035540.13718.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 515 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.161 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > AMRADIOROCKS2003 wrote: "i dont have a Am stereo receiver so i dont really know > how good it sounds" > > BTW, if you want THE BEST Stereo AM tuner made, get the FTA-100 from Fanfare - > it is the best sounding tuner you can buy. Marv, John.. Remember, not everybody can afford a $1900 AM stereo tuner, no matter how good. :) (It would be nice if there were some under-$200 home tuners to promote, admittedly.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 22:19:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60315 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 05:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 05:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 05:19:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 05:19:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 05:19:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 978 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Ladies and Gentlemen, yadda yadda yadda... after spending a very quick one hour and 28 minutes uploading a six-megabyte file with a lightning-fast data transfer rate of 11.6 kbps (via a modem that laughably claims to be "56K"!), a new recording of AM Stereo is available for your downloading and listening enjoyment! A write-up with full details will be posted to a web page soon, but for now, suffice it to say that the following file is an authentic recording of C-Quam AM Stereo, using the music samples provided on WOR's web site -- with a few AM Stereo liners thrown in for good measure. It was received directly on a C-Quam modulation monitor, so it represents some of the best quality that AM Stereo has to offer, as transmitted with my own custom audio processing: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/amstereo.mp3 Hopefully your downloads will go more swiftly than my upload, but trust me, I think it's well worth the wait to hear AM radio at its best! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 01:01:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51180 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 08:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 08:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 08:01:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 08:01:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:01:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 119 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > A write-up with full details will be posted to a web page soon, As promised: http://www.geocities.com/kevtronics/ From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Sep 15 08:14:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52301 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 15:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 15:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 15:14:50 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:30:39 -0600 Message-ID: <009101c37b9c$15580330$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New IBOC Codec Samples Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:14:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello gang Took a listen to the new IBOC samples from WOR as well. I've got a pretty good side-by-side comparison for ya. I listened to Faith Hill's "The Way You Love Me". Decided to go ahead and hook the line directly off our C-quam modulation monitor into the line input on my computer here in the studio and play the song on the air this morning. As with Tom's samples from WOR, a totally raw WAV file with no doctoring-up or compression from MP3 coding. I must say that this mix may be just slightly different from the mix that Tom's sample is.....this is the version released to AC and Hot AC stations (borrowed the CD from our FM sister station next door). The mix I had was the country mix and it's really different.....so the AC mix is a lot closer and almost identical to Tom's WAV file. Same exact part of the song as his. Here's the specs for those interested: Audio source - Sony CDP-XE270 cd player fed into Arrakis Systems Turbo 150SC console, and out to CRL systems processing chain (Stereo preparation processor, AM Stereo Matrix processor) and into Motorola Model 1300 C-quam exciter. Recording source - Motorola model 1310 C-Quam modulation monitor Get the file here at: http://www.1240keva.com/airchecks Also wanted to mention that you can still hear some "swimming" on the IBOC samples. I noticed it particularly at the very end where she sings "Whoa-ooh-whoa-ooh-WHOA the WAY you love me......" it REALLY swims there. Not that our AM stereo is perfect right now.....we need some new tubes so the modulation is down at the moment. I do this to cut down on distortion. We're NOT a competitive market. We're the only listenable AM in town. So it's not like people are gonna say (like so many big market stations seem to think) "Oh that station isn't as loud as the others so I'm not going to listen to them." I like to run a CLEAN signal. I'm much more a stickler for cleanliness and care a lot less about LOUDNESS. I guess an advantage of being in a small market. And believe me, listeners can tell. I DO indeed get compliments on how clean our sound is. You also may notice not as much bass in our signal. I mentioned a while back, our CRL processing chain's 20-year old electrolytic capacitors are exhausted and I still need to go through and do a complete replacement of all of them. Probably would help the sound a lot. Since the CRL's aren't as aggressive when it comes to high-end, I have the high end cranked up higher which cuts down on the low end in our signal. This also helps for cleanliness. I imagine the overall sound will improve once I get all of the electrolytics in the processors replaced. Take care and enjoy and make your own comparisons for yourselves and post your thoughts and ideas. Michael n WYO KEVA Country AM Stereo 1240 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 09:00:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3025 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 16:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 16:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 16:00:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 16:00:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:00:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New IBOC Codec Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 278 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Well, it is an improvement over the last codec, but sorry to say I still would never listen to it. That sizzly metallic hissing (almost a buzz) in the middle-high frequencies would drive me bananas. It sounds as bad to me as fingernails on a chalkboard. Why even bother? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 10:20:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58133 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 17:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 17:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 17:20:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 17:19:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:19:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Tuner? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 738 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > AMRADIOROCKS2003 wrote: "i dont have a Am stereo receiver so i dont > really know > > how good it sounds" > > > > BTW, if you want THE BEST Stereo AM tuner made, get the FTA-100 > from Fanfare - > > it is the best sounding tuner you can buy. > > Marv, John.. Remember, not everybody can afford a $1900 AM stereo > tuner, no matter how good. :) (It would be nice if there were some > under-$200 home tuners to promote, admittedly.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I was wondering... How would you compare Sony's SRF-42 to their SRF-A300, SRF-AX15, or SRF-AX51V listed on Audiocubes? From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 10:38:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31224 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 17:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 17:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 17:38:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 17:38:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:38:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Tuner? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 803 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.161 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > I was wondering... How would you compare Sony's SRF-42 to their > SRF-A300, SRF-AX15, or SRF-AX51V listed on Audiocubes? All are good portables, although I have no personal experience with them...yet. Of them, I would pick the AX51V, because it WILL cover the entire US/international FM stereo band. The A300 is a C-QUAM-only update of the old A100, but in a plastic shell. I think I read somewhere in the messages posted here that these radios have a wider bandwidth than the SRF-42. If there is just ONE thing worth buying from Sony, it's their AM stereo radios. Which brings up the question: Anyone know WHAT other AMS radios are available from Japan? Both home, portable & car? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 11:12:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14842 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 18:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 18:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80501.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 18:12:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20030915181214.25951.qmail@web80501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.45.175] by web80501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:12:14 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Older Am radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- amradiorocks2003 wrote: > I listen to AM on my old Rca AM/FM table radio ( I > bought it for 5 > bucks at a yard sell.) it looks 70s and sounds > really good, Its > solid state as it says. I have heard that older > radios sound > better..When i turned it on to a good AM music > station it did sound > better then any newer radio i have.. hmm. Ok, does it have the new or older RCA logo? If it's the newer logo, then it's 1969 or newer and more than likely made in Japan, older than that with the old logo and made in USA. The one made in Japan has a bit better AM and TRF with signal strength meter...hey it even beats the CC radio and sounds far better..and the older one's AM sounds better. I have 2 of these in wooden cabinets, the older series much prettier. Decent FM too. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 11:23:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15093 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 18:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 18:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 18:23:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 18:23:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:23:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Tuner? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1160 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > > I was wondering... How would you compare Sony's SRF-42 to their > > SRF-A300, SRF-AX15, or SRF-AX51V listed on Audiocubes? > > All are good portables, although I have no personal experience with > them...yet. Of them, I would pick the AX51V, because it WILL cover > the entire US/international FM stereo band. The A300 is a C-QUAM-only > update of the old A100, but in a plastic shell. I think I read > somewhere in the messages posted here that these radios have a wider > bandwidth than the SRF-42. > > If there is just ONE thing worth buying from Sony, it's their AM > stereo radios. > > Which brings up the question: > > Anyone know WHAT other AMS radios are available from Japan? Both > home, portable & car? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ speaking of portable AMS radios, I've been on the lookout for a WM-GX822 tape recorder + AM st / FM walkman for over a year now. Anyone know where I could find one for < $100? they were originally $200 or so new if i remember correctly. From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 11:30:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20701 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 18:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 18:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 18:30:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 18:30:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:30:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Older Am radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030915181214.25951.qmail@web80501.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1342 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 Well it has the newer RCA logo look. SN: 93830191 Japan:303 RCA Model- RZC 2257 White Im dont know how to find how out when it was made, i guess i could try and look. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- amradiorocks2003 > wrote: > > I listen to AM on my old Rca AM/FM table radio ( I > > bought it for 5 > > bucks at a yard sell.) it looks 70s and sounds > > really good, Its > > solid state as it says. I have heard that older > > radios sound > > better..When i turned it on to a good AM music > > station it did sound > > better then any newer radio i have.. hmm. > > Ok, does it have the new or older RCA logo? If it's > the > newer logo, then it's 1969 or newer and more than > likely made in Japan, older than that with the old > logo and made in USA. The one made in Japan has a bit > better AM and TRF with signal strength meter...hey it > even beats the CC radio and sounds far better..and the > older one's AM sounds better. I have 2 of these in > wooden cabinets, the older series much prettier. > Decent FM too. > > Powell > > ===== > powell@c... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 11:41:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43195 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 18:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 18:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 18:41:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 18:41:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:41:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Older Am radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1608 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amradiorocks2003" wrote: > Hmm Im not sure about the 7 maybe its a Y? but i cant find that either.. > Well it has the newer RCA logo look. > > SN: 93830191 > Japan:303 > RCA Model- RZC 2257 White > > Im dont know how to find how out when it was made, i guess i could > try and look. > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > --- amradiorocks2003 > > wrote: > > > I listen to AM on my old Rca AM/FM table radio ( I > > > bought it for 5 > > > bucks at a yard sell.) it looks 70s and sounds > > > really good, Its > > > solid state as it says. I have heard that older > > > radios sound > > > better..When i turned it on to a good AM music > > > station it did sound > > > better then any newer radio i have.. hmm. > > > > Ok, does it have the new or older RCA logo? If it's > > the > > newer logo, then it's 1969 or newer and more than > > likely made in Japan, older than that with the old > > logo and made in USA. The one made in Japan has a bit > > better AM and TRF with signal strength meter...hey it > > even beats the CC radio and sounds far better..and the > > older one's AM sounds better. I have 2 of these in > > wooden cabinets, the older series much prettier. > > Decent FM too. > > > > Powell > > > > ===== > > powell@c... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 14:08:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47370 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 21:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 21:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 21:08:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 21:08:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:08:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Tuner? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1577 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > > I was wondering... How would you compare Sony's SRF-42 to their > > SRF-A300, SRF-AX15, or SRF-AX51V listed on Audiocubes? > > All are good portables, although I have no personal experience with > them...yet. Of them, I would pick the AX51V, because it WILL cover > the entire US/international FM stereo band. The A300 is a C-QUAM-only > update of the old A100, but in a plastic shell. I think I read > somewhere in the messages posted here that these radios have a wider > bandwidth than the SRF-42. > > If there is just ONE thing worth buying from Sony, it's their AM > stereo radios. > > Which brings up the question: > > Anyone know WHAT other AMS radios are available from Japan? Both > home, portable & car? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ of the various AMS radios listed on http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/portable.htm which brands typically are better and which are not as good? (all around, or specifics such as fidelity, selectivity, sensitivity, on the AM section, brands in question are Aiwa, Sangean, Sanyo, Sony) Also, of the home tuners listed on http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/home.htm which ones would be good ones, which ones can I plug other things into like CD player, tape deck, VCR, computer (or plug IT into a computer for example), and what ones would I be more likely to find in, say, a garage sale, on ebay, or in a thrift store? From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Sep 15 15:04:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95944 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 22:04:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 22:04:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 22:04:36 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.70.320d2409 (16633) for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <70.320d2409.2c979163@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:04:19 EDT Subject: Re: (OT) Monitoring Calls To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don, these are monitor call signs that are issued by separate DX registries. The KDX call was issued to me in 1982 by the WDX Monitoring Service (which was, at the time, administered by Hank Bennett), the successor to the Popular Electronics monitoring registry (with the "WPE" prefix). SWL monitoring stations are issued these calls. The latter call is issued by CRB Research, primarily used by VHF/UHF Public Service monitoring stations. This is based on a Swiss system; while the U.S. monitor registries are not administered by the FCC or any other government agency, Swiss shortwave monitoring stations have to be registered with the Swiss government. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Sep 15 15:04:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16820 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 22:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 22:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 22:04:37 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.13.220c4008 (16633) for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <13.220c4008.2c979164@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:04:20 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do something about it To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, I grew up in the '70s and early '80s...long before Rush poisoned our airwaves with neo-Nazi rhetoric. The Fairness Doctrine is DESPERATELY NEEDED to restore balance to commercial talk radio, and make commercial radio more competitive with public radio. Every morning when I was a kid, I listened to KMOX. When Robert Hyland did his editorials, the station broadcast a disclaimer that "KMOX will offer reply time to those with opposing viewpoints". It was the same way in television. When CBS owned Channel 4 in St. Louis (then KMOX-TV), it was the same announcement, except that the call letters were replaced with "Channel 4". The reason why commercial talk stations continue to lose listeners is because they don't have the Fairness Doctrine to keep discipline in talk radio. Today's talk radio HAS NO DISCIPLINE. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 15:27:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91072 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 22:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 22:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 22:27:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 22:26:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:26:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Tuner? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2336 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > All are good portables, although I have no personal experience with > them...yet. Of them, I would pick the AX51V, because it WILL cover > the entire US/international FM stereo band. The A300 is a > C-QUAM-only update of the old A100, but in a plastic shell. I think > I read somewhere in the messages posted here that these radios have > a wider bandwidth than the SRF-42. The SRF-A300 is the modern-day "big brother" to the classic SRF-A100. It is larger and heavier and has a built-in AC power supply (although for 100V Japanese power), as well as larger and much better-sounding speakers. The tuning dial is bigger and more precise in operation as well, with a soft green backlight that illuminates at the touch of a button. In fact, all of its switches and knobs are unusually large for a radio of its size, making it easy to tune and operate. The SRF-A300's bandwidth is a bit narrower than the SRF-42, although it has a more gradual drop-off of the treble response, so while the treble isn't all that crisp, it isn't really muffled either. Unlike older Sony radios, it also performs true C-Quam decoding -- while still maintaining "forced stereo" operation -- so there is less distortion and cleaner bass response. In fact, its audio is heavily contoured in order to make the built-in speakers sound good, so through headphones it will probably sound too bassy, unless you use Sony's small earbuds which advertise "Mega Bass" but actually are quite treble-heavy, so the SRF-A300's low-end boost helps flatten out the frequency response. Right out of the factory, the SRF-A300 tunes up to about 1650 kHz on AM and 90 MHz on FM, but slight tweaking of its circuitry can extend the tuning range of both bands. My own SRF-A300 came tweaked to tune up to about 99.5 MHz on FM, although in that case the dial markings no longer are accurate. I don't have any experience with the SRF-AX15 and SRF-AX51V Walkmen, but I believe they use the same tuner design as the SRF-A300, although with FM tuning extended up to 108 MHz. So, what I just mentioned above regarding AM bandwidth and quality also applies, except the Walkman models likely don't have such a large bass boost applied to the headphone output and their smaller tuning dials aren't going to be as smooth or accurate as the SRF-A300's. From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Sep 15 16:00:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19745 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 23:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 23:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 23:00:54 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030915230048.YMPH7829.fed1mtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:00:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:00:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Comparisons To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <74E6DC94-E7D0-11D7-B8BC-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I'd like Tom's opinion on the fairness of the comparison so far (and by the way, what I'd like is side-by-side comparisons just like on WOR's site), but the analog seems fuller, more clear and just more pleasant to listen to. The mid and high end seems much cleaner as well, without that strange hollow sound I hated so much on my old cheap stereo that I pulled out. Does WOR still have C-Quam on the backup transmitter? If so, is there any chance of WOR sending out a C-Quam signal in the middle of the night when no one's listening (or writing in the diaries) as a test that can be recorded? I bet that's asking too much, but it would make for a great comparison. On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 01:01 AM, Kevin T. wrote: >> A write-up with full details will be posted to a web page soon, > > As promised: > > http://www.geocities.com/kevtronics/ From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Sep 15 16:51:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15526 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 23:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 23:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 23:51:50 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn2.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.6]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:36:21 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Comparisons Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:51:12 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <74E6DC94-E7D0-11D7-B8BC-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mmkay. I guess nobody cares. I thought my upload would be a pretty accurate comparison but I guess not. Doesn't look like it was worth the 12mb download, even though WOR's was. I guess I really *AM* some sort of hick (pretending to be an engineer) from a place where nobody cares, fighting for a lost cause. I won't try to help unless someone asks for it anymore. back to lurking MJR n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 16:55:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50246 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 23:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 23:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 23:55:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2003 23:55:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:55:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Reminder Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 397 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As the message traffic in this group increases, so does the need to remain on-topic. Discussions about politics or the "Fairness Doctrine" are not currently relevant to this group and have the potential to cause unnecessary conflict here, so I would appreciate it if these topics could be moved over to a more relevant group or to private e-mails. Thank you for your cooperation. Kevin T. From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Sep 15 17:00:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79753 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 00:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 00:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 00:00:58 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030916000050.ZISN7829.fed1mtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:00:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:00:57 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comparisons Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner What do you mean? It was just posted ... give it time. On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 04:51 PM, Michael J. Richard wrote: > mmkay. I guess nobody cares. > I thought my upload would be a pretty accurate comparison but I guess > not. > Doesn't look like it was worth the 12mb download, even though WOR's > was. > I guess I really *AM* some sort of hick (pretending to be an engineer) > from > a place where nobody cares, fighting for a lost cause. > > I won't try to help unless someone asks for it anymore. > > back to lurking > > MJR n WYO > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Sep 15 17:06:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74707 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 00:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 00:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 00:06:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2003 00:06:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:05:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comparisons Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 638 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.168 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g What on earth was that all about? I must have missed something. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" < michaelj@v...> wrote: > mmkay. I guess nobody cares. > I thought my upload would be a pretty accurate comparison but I guess not. > Doesn't look like it was worth the 12mb download, even though WOR's was. > I guess I really *AM* some sort of hick (pretending to be an engineer) from > a place where nobody cares, fighting for a lost cause. > > I won't try to help unless someone asks for it anymore. > > back to lurking > > MJR n WYO > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Sep 15 17:06:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10690 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 00:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 00:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 00:06:53 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn2.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.6]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:25:30 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Comparisons Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:06:12 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Richard. I got all hyped about it this morning and went through the trouble to do this, while I was on the air mind you, and thought folks would jump at it. No response. Makes me feel quite embarassed because I felt like I was talking to no one. I hate posting a big long message about something and nobody says anything. Seems like other peoples posts got responses......I guess you have to BASH IBOC to get any kind of response. I keep waiting for the message from the big guys, REAL engineers to say "yeah I listened to your file and it sounds like crap. You don't know dittly about c-quam and you should quit pretending you do. You're not an engineer so quit pretending to be one." Man I only THOUGHT my ego was deflated before. MJR -----Original Message----- From: Richard Wagoner [mailto:rwagoner@cox.net] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:01 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comparisons What do you mean? It was just posted ... give it time. On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 04:51 PM, Michael J. Richard wrote: > mmkay. I guess nobody cares. > I thought my upload would be a pretty accurate comparison but I guess > not. > Doesn't look like it was worth the 12mb download, even though WOR's > was. > I guess I really *AM* some sort of hick (pretending to be an engineer) > from > a place where nobody cares, fighting for a lost cause. > > I won't try to help unless someone asks for it anymore. > > back to lurking > > MJR n WYO > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/CPMolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 18:56:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50458 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 01:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 01:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 01:55:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2003 01:55:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:55:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Reminder Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 505 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 No prob. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > As the message traffic in this group increases, so does the need to > remain on-topic. Discussions about politics or the "Fairness > Doctrine" are not currently relevant to this group and have the > potential to cause unnecessary conflict here, so I would appreciate > it if these topics could be moved over to a more relevant group or > to private e-mails. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > > Kevin T. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 19:19:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28480 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 02:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 02:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 02:19:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2003 02:19:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 02:19:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Comparisons Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74E6DC94-E7D0-11D7-B8BC-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2301 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'd like Tom's opinion on the fairness of the comparison so far > (and by the way, what I'd like is side-by-side comparisons just > like on WOR's site), but the analog seems fuller, more clear and > just more pleasant to listen to. Listening more closely to WOR's digital IBOC samples, in all of them I notice a drastic reduction of high-frequency stereo separation that seems to vary depending on how "challenging" the audio is to encode. For example, in "Yesterday", the guitars and strings come out a lot closer to Paul's voice, which itself is moved to the center of the stereo image, as opposed to its slight offset in the original recording. Also the guitar intro sounds like it is underwater, and the sibilant "f" in "half the man" comes out as a blatantly artificial "scratch" type of sound. "What's Up" is easily the worst of the digital samples -- the guitar strumming finger effects get turned into generic scratching noises, and the percussion "ticks" that are supposed to be consistently off to one side "wander" all over the place in the stereo image, and are also turned into artificial scratching sounds. I think iBiquity is trying too hard to squeeze an "FM-quality" 15 kHz audio response out of the AM IBOC system, when even with the same codec, it would sound a lot better with the high end limited to 10 or 11 kHz. I also scratch my head in amazement at how RealAudio 8.0 and even the latest Windows Media Audio both sound *significantly* better than any of the IBOC or DRM codecs, even at the same low bitrates in the 32 to 64 kbps range. In fact, I would almost call RealAudio 8.0 at 44 kbps "FM-quality", as even though it sounds a bit "congested" at times, it's still usually crisp and clear, and does a MUCH better job of preserving the spatial imaging and upper harmonics of the audio than AM IBOC or DRM. BBC Radio has some very high-quality RealAudio web-casts of their radio networks and even over a "56K" modem you might be surprised at how good it sounds. And that underscores the $64,000 question here: is it worth it to fill up the AM band with "hash", just to broadcast digital audio that doesn't even sound as good as the typical Internet web-cast? At least to me, that's like taking three steps backward and one step forward. From bjackson@indyradio.com Mon Sep 15 19:38:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75681 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 02:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 02:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 02:38:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2003 02:38:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 02:38:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Comparisons Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2379 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.67 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > mmkay. I guess nobody cares. Hey now, I care! :-) While at the 'ol radio ranch today, I downloaded all the available files...From the WOR site, from Kevin, from KEVA (my home DSL modem died so I used the company T1!) I compared all the samples using the Mac in our prod. room against the songs we have in our DadPro automation system. These are my opinions: 1) Tom, the new IBOC codec sounds MUCH better than the old ones. I did notice some things though...Someone had the pot on the Mac switched to mono, and it sounds like the codec may be having phasing issues...Very muddy in mono, but moving the pot back to stereo opened things back up. I don't think that having 5khz analog samples is a fair comparison...I don't know if you have the ability to do so, but nice 10khz C-Quam audio would be nice...Or even 10khz mono samples. But I don't know if you can pass that thru the exciter? Convince Kevin to let you use his exciter? :-) The IBOC samples *still* have that swishyness (is that a word?) to them...Very noticable on the 4 Non Blondes tune. And the cymbals in Linger are VERY harsh when compared to our MP2 tunes in DadPro. I'll be honest though, our PM jock from WGRL stopped in (he is not an audiophile) and was impressed...When I did an A/B test he could hear the artifacts which he compared to the audio we get from some agency spots which are done MP3. If they could only get rid of the white noise on adjacent channels... 2) The KEVA sample sounds fantastic...Now that's how AM is supposed to sound! I did hear a little distortion, but I understand about your CRL processing. About 6 months ago I noticed the same thing on our sister station, WZZB...The poor caps doing a slow death. It's my understanding that they have been repaired now, though (I still have the latest mp3 with the fixed CRL chain at http://iw1.indyweb.net/~bjackson If every AM station ran audio like KEVA and WZZB (and there were more decent tuners) I'm not sure we'd even be talking about IBOC right now. I guess part of my issue with IBOC is that I'm spoiled by good radios (like many of us here on the list have) and don't want to have to listen to 5khz audio out of my Carver! lol Just my 2 cents... - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - WGLD/WGRL/WFMS From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Sep 15 19:38:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92261 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 02:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 02:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 02:38:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:38:32 -0700 Received: from 172.172.156.222 by bay7-dav29.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 02:38:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <13.220c4008.2c979164@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do something about it Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:35:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2003 02:38:32.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[9EB4C280:01C37BFB] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.172.156.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: >The Fairness Doctrine is DESPERATELY NEEDED to restore balance to commercial talk radio, Perhaps Eric is right for the wrong reasons! The Fairness Doctrine would make many Talk stations go back to music. These stations might even improve their plant in order to compete as a Music Station on AM. I think it would be neat to have a Top-40 / CHR 5KW AM in the market again. Kevin From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 19:44:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13505 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 02:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 02:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 02:44:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2003 02:43:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 02:43:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Comparisons Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3019 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.43 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 I havent been able to listen to any of the new samples they have on the site. I did hear a 20 sec sample on some website. It sounded OK, better then the older sample but still is off, It sounds like its being streched a bit to far on the highs. I still think AM stereo sounds better ( of the ones i heard on the internet. Workin on finding a AM stereo of my own tho.. ) If they want to make an impact they still have some work to do. I just hope the people that make the decisions can see that the system is still currently flawed. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I'd like Tom's opinion on the fairness of the comparison so far > > (and by the way, what I'd like is side-by-side comparisons just > > like on WOR's site), but the analog seems fuller, more clear and > > just more pleasant to listen to. > > Listening more closely to WOR's digital IBOC samples, in all of them > I notice a drastic reduction of high-frequency stereo separation that > seems to vary depending on how "challenging" the audio is to encode. > > For example, in "Yesterday", the guitars and strings come out a lot > closer to Paul's voice, which itself is moved to the center of the > stereo image, as opposed to its slight offset in the original > recording. Also the guitar intro sounds like it is underwater, > and the sibilant "f" in "half the man" comes out as a blatantly > artificial "scratch" type of sound. > > "What's Up" is easily the worst of the digital samples -- the guitar > strumming finger effects get turned into generic scratching noises, > and the percussion "ticks" that are supposed to be consistently off > to one side "wander" all over the place in the stereo image, and are > also turned into artificial scratching sounds. > > I think iBiquity is trying too hard to squeeze an "FM-quality" 15 kHz > audio response out of the AM IBOC system, when even with the same > codec, it would sound a lot better with the high end limited to 10 or > 11 kHz. I also scratch my head in amazement at how RealAudio 8.0 and > even the latest Windows Media Audio both sound *significantly* better > than any of the IBOC or DRM codecs, even at the same low bitrates in > the 32 to 64 kbps range. > > In fact, I would almost call RealAudio 8.0 at 44 kbps "FM- quality", > as even though it sounds a bit "congested" at times, it's still > usually crisp and clear, and does a MUCH better job of preserving the > spatial imaging and upper harmonics of the audio than AM IBOC or DRM. > BBC Radio has some very high-quality RealAudio web-casts of their > radio networks and even over a "56K" modem you might be surprised at > how good it sounds. > > And that underscores the $64,000 question here: is it worth it to > fill up the AM band with "hash", just to broadcast digital audio that > doesn't even sound as good as the typical Internet web-cast? At > least to me, that's like taking three steps backward and one step > forward. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 19:48:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49591 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 02:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 02:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 02:48:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20030916024818.97792.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:48:18 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sony AX51V To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Anybody have comments about the audio quality of the Sony AX51V portable? Experience with AudioCubes? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 19:50:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63752 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 02:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 02:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 02:50:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20030916025002.98007.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:50:02 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: KEVA samples To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Michael: some of us get the 'digest' version, so we don't get the messages until there are 25 in the cue, so I just now got your message - so don't give-up heart! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 20:00:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1606 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 03:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 03:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 03:00:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2003 03:00:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 03:00:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony AX51V Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030916024818.97792.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 359 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.161 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Anybody have comments about the audio quality of the Sony AX51V portable? I know someone here has one- I just don't recall who. > Experience with AudioCubes? Here, I have experience with! They indeed ARE prompt, and the shipments come from Japan directly. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From brian60420@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 20:06:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16648 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 03:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 03:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80604.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 03:06:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20030916030610.48282.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.53.145.81] by web80604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:06:10 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony AX51V To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030916024818.97792.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Robbins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I bought an AX51V, 2 months ago. It sounds fantastic. I highly recommend one to anyone that can't get their hands on an SRF-42. Don't get freaked on the the whole FM-TV thing. You get American channels 5-13 and the whole FM band in Stereo. AM stereo isn't as wideband as an SRF-100A, but you can always slide the tuner up to squeak out a few more kHz of tone. I listen at work and even used it at a baseball (AM & TV) and NASCAR race (AM & TV). REALTIME!!!!!!!! brian60420 "John P." wrote: >Anybody have comments about the audio quality of the >Sony AX51V portable? >Experience with AudioCubes? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 22:09:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96809 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 05:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 05:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 05:08:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2003 05:08:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 05:08:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Comparisons Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1321 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics My $0.02... KEVA sounds great on the latest aircheck, as usual, even though that particular track by Ms. Hill is not one of my favorites. A few things I noticed -- the CRL processor apparently has the 11 kHz filter in use, which offers treble response that is a bit more crisp and clear than the standard 9.5 kHz setting. This doesn't quite conform to the NRSC 10 kHz bandwidth mask, but it's close enough that I doubt it would cause any trouble, especially since Wyoming isn't like the crowded Northeast where you have neighboring stations in all directions. Also, the audio processing sometimes seems a little bit "flinchy". I'm no expert, but in my experimentation I've noticed this type of effect when the AGC is acting a bit more aggressively than it should and is riding up the gain of "quiet" parts of the music a bit too much. In this case, the remedy is to back down on the AGC slightly, and let the multi-band compression and limiting pick up more of the slack. Of course, I've heard other stations which use virtually no AGC and just let their old Levil Devil or Solid Statesman limiter flatten the heck out of everything, but somewhere there's a happy medium where you have audio processing that's nearly transparent to the ear. (Unlike, say, WOR's analog audio processing -- yikes!) From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 00:13:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4402 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 07:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 07:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41008.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 07:13:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20030916071312.69391.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.39.17] by web41008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:13:12 PDT Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WPEP To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I finally got down to the XMTR. on Monday and guess what I found, after my G.M. had to kick open the rusted door? 2 museum pieces & a piece of trash. There was a Powerside generator with the companion stereo unit and an Optimod 9200! There goes our hope of going stereo, unless of course, something were to happen to those units I don't know how a can of Coke ended up lodged in the circuit board. Really! We are apparently still using the Powerside because the carrier deviation was WAAAAAAAAY over to thr right and when I turned it off, it turned the XMTR. off with it. I need to get that thing out of there. 73, Jay, N1WVQ P.S.: Our main XMTR. is a Harris SX-1A. I forgot what our backup tube rig is. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Sep 16 00:33:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17678 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 07:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 07:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 07:33:55 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.187]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 03:34:57 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01c37c24$cbd4e5a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20030916024818.97792.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony AX51V Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 03:33:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Having all of the mentioned radios, I will say the SRF42 is still the best, fidelity-wise. This is the radio I use to test my little transmitters. The 51X is good- not as wide bandwidth, but sleek and small. The 15 has a built-in speaker, but also has the worst bandwidth and a kinda chintzy look and feel to it. The 300 is a nice radio. As Kevin pointd out, it does have very pleasing, warm tone, limited in high freqs, but a very listenable radio. The FM band is it's downfall, range wise, but as noted, with tweaking it can tune higher up. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 01:49:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15783 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 08:49:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 08:49:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 08:49:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2003 08:49:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:49:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New IBOC Codec Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1082 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You know, I attempted Donna Summer's "Last Dance", and the, well, I > call them "curtain bells" at the beginning sounded like they went > through a shredder. "Last Dance" is a well-known "codec killer" -- lots of high-intensity high-frequency stereo separation, as typical of disco music. Another very challenging song to try would be Pink Floyd's "Money", with the cash register sound effects going back and forth in the beginning -- not to mention "Time", when all those bells, gongs, and ticking clocks! (Heh... in my college dorm I used to love to cue up that part on my turntable and play it at full blast at 3:00 AM!) In general, I think the new IBOC codec is going to have the most trouble with "non-musical, non-voice" sounds -- in fact, I wonder how it even handles the sound of applause and cheering, as in a live recording... Oh, and if you want to talk about digital aliasing, how about those GM OnStar commercials with the recordings of the assistance calls? I can't begin to imagine what they're doing to produce such awful heavily-aliased sound. From watan-ko@h4.dion.ne.jp Tue Sep 16 02:23:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@h4.dion.ne.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32692 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 09:22:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 09:22:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 09:22:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2003 09:22:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:22:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony AX51V Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030916024818.97792.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 568 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "irukero" X-Originating-IP: 192.218.64.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67253313 X-Yahoo-Profile: irukero I agree with Chris. I have both SRF-42 and AX51V, and I think SRF-42 sounds better than AX51V. The latter is designed to handle with the interception from other Asian broadcasting stations, so it's narrower than SRF-42. However, I like AX51V. It's very small, almost half of SRF-42, so it's easy to take it. Also, I would like to advise the user of the AX51V. Its band switch is very vulnerable. I had to repair it some years ago, but Sony asks me JPY6,000(USD55) to change the switch. I recommend you to use it as AM only radio. sincerely, Koji JAPAN From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 10:48:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87445 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 17:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 17:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80512.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 17:48:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20030916174850.88707.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80512.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:48:50 PDT Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony AX51V To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003a01c37c24$cbd4e5a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Chris Cuff wrote: > The FM band is it's downfall, range wise, but > as noted, with tweaking > it can tune higher up. > Chris FM ? What's THAT ?? Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 13:35:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5606 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 20:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 20:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 20:35:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20030916203539.11982.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.250.57] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:35:39 PDT Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do something about it To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c37c71$dd76e090$9802a8c0@jimspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do we have to have "in depth" politics on a radio group? 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Sep 16 14:06:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43523 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 21:06:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 21:06:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 21:06:07 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.194]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:07:08 -0400 Message-ID: <003801c37c96$4135f660$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20030916203539.11982.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do something about it Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:05:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I am fed up with it myself. Enough. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Ross To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do something about it > Do we have to have "in depth" politics on a radio group? > Michael > From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 14:37:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13243 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 21:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 21:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 21:37:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20030916213758.86782.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.250.57] by web41201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:37:58 PDT Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SRF A300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The SRF A300 is an excellent Dx radio I can get Australian stations(Sydney and Melbourne and Brisbane too) at night quite easily from Auckland NZ -We have 14 local AM's here and it will separate Magic 693 from a local 5kw on 702kHz here quite well but the FM only goes to 91.8(guess 92mHz) and isnt as good as the superadio or the sangean 818 on FM(We dont have the extended AM band here but it goes to about 1638 as the ozzies use to 1701). 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 16:08:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20226 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 23:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 23:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 23:08:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2003 23:08:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:08:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Second Reminder Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 692 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I don't like having to do this, but at this point, members who repeatedly post messages about politics and other off-topic subject matter will be put on moderated status. I try to be as tolerant as I can, but first and foremost this is a Forum about AM Stereo and other directly relevant topics, and throwing politics into the mix is one of the quickest ways to cause a lot of needless arguments and annoy a lot of members. There are thousands of groups on Yahoo. If you want to discuss politics, FCC rulings, corporate conspiracy theories, and other stuff like that, I'm sure there are many other groups which would be much better suited to that kind of subject matter. Kevin T. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 16:38:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82503 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2003 23:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2003 23:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2003 23:38:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2003 23:38:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:38:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Second Reminder Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.61 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I don't like having to do this, but at this point, members who > repeatedly post messages about politics and other off-topic subject > matter will be put on moderated status. > > I try to be as tolerant as I can, but first and foremost this is a > Forum about AM Stereo and other directly relevant topics, and > throwing politics into the mix is one of the quickest ways to cause > a lot of needless arguments and annoy a lot of members. > > There are thousands of groups on Yahoo. If you want to discuss > politics, FCC rulings, corporate conspiracy theories, and other stuff > like that, I'm sure there are many other groups which would be much > better suited to that kind of subject matter. While I don't like partisan rhetoric either, I think blanket bans on certain topics also does as much a disservice here, since certain aspects directly affect AM stereo radio, which does include content (and how content is used) and FCC rulings concerning ownership and other broadcast-specific subjects. Remember, AM stereo is affected by these things, and thus SHOULD be OK for discussion, but insofar as political rhetoric, I do agree with you there. I seem to remember something about another group, before this, that also put limits on what could or couldn't be said, even if it it was relevant. I wonder whatever happened to that group? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 17:09:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79593 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 00:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 00:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 00:09:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2003 00:09:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:09:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Second Reminder Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1272 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > While I don't like partisan rhetoric either, I think blanket bans > on certain topics also does as much a disservice here, since > certain aspects directly affect AM stereo radio, which does include > content (and how content is used) and FCC rulings concerning > ownership and other broadcast-specific subjects. In theory I agree with you, but in practice, whenever such topics have been brought into this group, they have quickly dissolved into the typical partisan rhetoric. I do not and will not censor this Forum's freedom of speech, nor will I "ban" certain topics entirely, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. This group has thrived on having *technical* subject matter as its primary focus; political and philosophical debates are best left for other, more relevant groups. > I seem to remember something about another group, before this, that > also put limits on what could or couldn't be said, even if it it > was relevant. I wonder whatever happened to that group? I shall remind you, my friend, that it's not wise to point out the splinter in your neighbor's eye, while ignoring the log in your own. Didn't we learn something from the whole "Clear Channel sucks!" fiasco in a certain *other* AM Stereo mailing list that no longer exists? From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 17:21:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67063 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 00:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 00:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80513.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 00:21:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20030917002139.69731.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.46.233] by web80513.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:21:39 PDT Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Second Reminder To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > I seem to remember something about another group, > before this, that > also put limits on what could or couldn't be said, > even if it it was > relevant. I wonder whatever happened to that group? > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Well, uh, the water overflowed the top of the watertight bulkhead at E deck and flowed into the next, then the next...and the rest is history.. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Sep 16 17:45:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37362 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 00:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 00:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 00:45:50 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030917004550.QYXB13988.fed1mtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:45:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:45:48 -0700 Subject: Story Link Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <47BA8182-E8A8-11D7-A16C-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner http://members.cox.net/rwagoner/columns/2003/sep1903.html From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Sep 16 18:04:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46366 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 01:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 01:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 01:04:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:04:58 -0700 Received: from 172.148.250.250 by bay7-dav3.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:04:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <1aa.19d42819.2c98ee40@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rush Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:02:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2003 01:04:58.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[B71E46E0:01C37CB7] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.148.250.250] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > I've listened to Rush in the past; I just wish the Rush feed was in Stereo. With all of the spoof commercials, cool bumper music, and funny sound effects, Rush would sound ultra-cool in C-QUAM. In fact, Rush is so popular that a stereo feed of his show alone would put more C-QUAM signals on the air and more AM Stereo tuners on the market. Want proof? Most Sangean CCRadio sets are sold to Rush listeners! > >I believe no talk show host or DJ should make more than $100,000 per year, regardless of market. So, You would not take the offer if a station offered you $300,000 a year to do Afternoon Drive?....Yea rite. Kevin From dav259@csiro.au Tue Sep 16 19:20:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61710 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 02:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 02:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 02:20:54 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8H2KrXM000052 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:20:53 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:20:53 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Story Link / DAB walkmans In-Reply-To: <47BA8182-E8A8-11D7-A16C-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Richard Wagoner wrote: > http://members.cox.net/rwagoner/columns/2003/sep1903.html Great article Richard! For what it's worth I asked some questions re. DAB walkmans on the UK newsgroup. Here is the best response ... > How much is a DAB walkman? They range from about 100 (UK pounds) upwards > Do any analog AM/FM stations simulcast in DAB? Yepp, the BBC's national stations R1,R2,R3,R3 and R5. The World Service, Classic FM, Virgin, etc Many "local" analogue stations also broadcast on "local" DAB muxes but not all. > What do DAB stations sound like compared to AM and FM stations? Generally speaking :- * better than AM * better than FM if you have, like me, poor FM reception * much worse than FM if you have good FM reception There are reported problems with DAB "walkmans" in that the reception can be a bit iffy on the move. From w6yn@juno.com Tue Sep 16 19:48:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35660 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 02:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 02:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 02:48:47 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCbdyi2tkKjjBtajvj6kM20I=">; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:48:00 PDT Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H99D784P; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:48:00 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:30:49 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do something about it Message-ID: <20030916.194726.484.1.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,3-8,10-20 From: W6YN Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Politics is the science of government. You can't talk licensed radio without involving the art or practice of administering public affairs. It ain't all Ohms law, guys. I will admit that uninformed or biased opinion can get old in a hurry. Don On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:05:20 -0400 "Chris Cuff" writes: > I am fed up with it myself. Enough. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Ross > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do something about it > > > > Do we have to have "in depth" politics on a radio group? > > Michael From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Sep 16 19:54:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22880 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 02:54:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 02:54:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 02:54:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2003 02:54:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:54:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do something about it Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030916.194726.484.1.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 378 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.161 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > Politics is the science of government. You can't talk licensed radio > without involving the art or practice of administering public > affairs. It ain't all Ohms law, guys. > > I will admit that uninformed or biased opinion can get old in a > hurry. I think you hit the nail on the head! John From brian60420@yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 20:21:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98849 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 03:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 03:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80604.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 03:21:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20030917032146.4661.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.53.145.81] by web80604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:21:46 PDT Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Robbins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just listened to all the samples. Here's my take....I preferred listening to the IBOC samples the most because of the frequency response. (*Now throw something at your monitor*) While there was swishyness, stereo decoding problems and clicks, I could still hear the sizzle of orchestra and the harmonics of the guitar. On the other hand, the analog AM Stereo sample was true to the original music recording with regard to separation and stereo imaging (memories of 1984). When I listen to music, I need to have the instruments in the intended L&R channels. Nice work by the way. All I can say is this, 20 years ago, we were promised that AM Stereo would deliver superior sound and high fidelity, and we never got it. Music is not meant to be heard with NTSC filters and IBOC coders. The FCC ruined AM fidelity many years ago when they limited spacing to 10kHZ and not 15kHz. Analog AM today is now a "giant interference fest free-for-all" with no regard for guard band spacing like with FM or power control to stay within your own market. I own an "Alfredo-Lite" with its 14kHz response and a SONY SRF-100A with 12kHz response. This combo blows away all the samples I just heard (except the originals). I doubt the FCC will agree to retune the AM band just for the sake of fidelity or interference improvement. While the number of FM stations has tripled, the number of AM stations has risen only marginally. Mainly because of the 50 KWs who overpower the nation. Do we really need stations that cover 40 states anymore? I guess what I'm saying is, let's to analog stereo right or do digital stereo right, but not both at the same time. Listeners have already decided (Arbitron says 50% of people never listen to AM). The AM band simply needs a new plan. "Kevin T." wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen, yadda yadda yadda... after spending a very quick one hour and 28 minutes uploading a six-megabyte file with a lightning-fast data transfer rate of 11.6 kbps (via a modem that laughably claims to be "56K"!), a new recording of AM Stereo is available for your downloading and listening enjoyment! A write-up with full details will be posted to a web page soon, but for now, suffice it to say that the following file is an authentic recording of C-Quam AM Stereo, using the music samples provided on WOR's web site -- with a few AM Stereo liners thrown in for good measure. It was received directly on a C-Quam modulation monitor, so it represents some of the best quality that AM Stereo has to offer, as transmitted with my own custom audio processing: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/amstereo.mp3 Hopefully your downloads will go more swiftly than my upload, but trust me, I think it's well worth the wait to hear AM radio at its best! Yahoo! 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brian60420@yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 20:27:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2959 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 03:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 03:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80606.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.95) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 03:27:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20030917032701.37471.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.53.145.81] by web80606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:27:01 PDT Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Robbins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you like WLS, try this. http://www.wlshistory.com/ It has pictures, airchecks, and explainations from the past 80 years. WLS is still in Stereo and the only station I listen to on AM. amradiorocks2003 wrote: I remember listening to WLS down here at night here in Oklahoma in the late 80s on my little radio right before they went to talk, I had got it for my birthday, i was only a lil kid tho, but my brother listened to them for years before. If only the Am stereo standard would have been set. So what are you guys memories of WLS or your fav sation? Thanks.. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Sep 16 20:44:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35762 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 03:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 03:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 03:44:50 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCViLC2XJd0+XQlEk8Ujfzl0=">; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:43:55 PDT Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H99HEM7P; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:43:55 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:43:18 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Message-ID: <20030916.204318.484.4.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,12-17,19-86 From: W6YN Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I agree with your points and I was struck with your statement: "Do we really need stations that cover 40 states anymore?" With satellite broadcasting do we need the MF BC band at all? I live in a rural area and the AM broadcast band is a mess of noise at night with very little to enjoy from a typical home receiver. So if a receiver is on it will be FM. No noise but still little to enjoy for an old guy like me. The satellite channels are great however: good music and no idiot trying to be "cool" between tunes. And no females trying to sound like announcers - that really is irritating. There's a place for less government FEPC crap. Get women off the air unless they want to sound feminine. Now, back to my wine bottle............ Don On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Brian Robbins writes: > > I just listened to all the samples. Here's my take....I preferred > listening to the IBOC samples the most because of the frequency > response. (*Now throw something at your monitor*) While there was > swishyness, stereo decoding problems and clicks, I could still hear > the sizzle of orchestra and the harmonics of the guitar. > > > > On the other hand, the analog AM Stereo sample was true to the > original music recording with regard to separation and stereo > imaging (memories of 1984). When I listen to music, I need to have > the instruments in the intended L&R channels. Nice work by the way. > > > > > All I can say is this, 20 years ago, we were promised that AM Stereo > would deliver superior sound and high fidelity, and we never got it. > Music is not meant to be heard with NTSC filters and IBOC coders. > The FCC ruined AM fidelity many years ago when they limited spacing > to 10kHZ and not 15kHz. Analog AM today is now a "giant interference > fest free-for-all" with no regard for guard band spacing like with > FM or power control to stay within your own market. > > > > I own an "Alfredo-Lite" with its 14kHz response and a SONY SRF-100A > with 12kHz response. This combo blows away all the samples I just > heard (except the originals). > > > > I doubt the FCC will agree to retune the AM band just for the sake > of fidelity or interference improvement. While the number of FM > stations has tripled, the number of AM stations has risen only > marginally. Mainly because of the 50 KWs who overpower the nation. > Do we really need stations that cover 40 states anymore? > > > I guess what I'm saying is, let's to analog stereo right or do > digital stereo right, but not both at the same time. Listeners have > already decided (Arbitron says 50% of people never listen to AM). > The AM band simply needs a new plan. > > "Kevin T." wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen, yadda > yadda yadda... after spending a very > quick one hour and 28 minutes uploading a six-megabyte file with a > lightning-fast data transfer rate of 11.6 kbps (via a modem that > laughably claims to be "56K"!), a new recording of AM Stereo is > available for your downloading and listening enjoyment! > > A write-up with full details will be posted to a web page soon, but > > for now, suffice it to say that the following file is an authentic > recording of C-Quam AM Stereo, using the music samples provided on > WOR's web site -- with a few AM Stereo liners thrown in for good > measure. It was received directly on a C-Quam modulation monitor, > so > it represents some of the best quality that AM Stereo has to offer, > > as transmitted with my own custom audio processing: > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/amstereo.mp3 > > Hopefully your downloads will go more swiftly than my upload, but > trust me, I think it's well worth the wait to hear AM radio at its > best! From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Sep 16 21:09:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64325 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 04:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 04:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 04:09:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2003 04:09:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 04:09:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030917032146.4661.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1842 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Brian Robbins wrote: >=20 The FCC ruined AM fidelity many years ago when they limited spacing to 10kHZ and not 15kHz. Analog AM today is now a "giant interference fest free-for-all" with no regard for guard band spacing like with FM or power control to stay within your own market. >=20 > I doubt the FCC will agree to retune the AM band just for the sake of fidelity or interference improvement. While the number of FM stations has tripled, the number of AM stations has risen only marginally. Mainly because of the 50 KWs who overpower the nation. Do we really need stations that cover 40 states anymore? >=20 I've thought of that many times in a couple of schemes. If it was to happen the FCC would have needed to require all digital radios to tune in 5KHz steps before they were introduced into the market. This way the tuners would have been able to tune either a 10KHz or 15KHz channel spacing if a migration was to occur. With a 5KHz step and a =B17.5KHz ceramic filter radios could run in a vestigal sideband mode of 2.5/12.5KHz and stations could transmit a mono high fidelity signal in only 75% of the bandwidth of the DSB =B110.2KHz signal; this would increase fidelity while reducing bandwidth. Although the ownership of stations would not lend itself to a mixed spacing but if this was planned=20 ahead of time the low end of the band could have stations spaced 5KHz apart and be used for news & weather with a 5KHz audio BW,=20 the middle band used for talk shows and sports with 10KHz channel spacing and 10KHz audio BW, and the top band for music with a channel spacing of 15Kz spacing and 15KHz audio BW. Just my thoughts though. The current entrenchment of station ownership=20 along with all those DTRs already in existence would make this=20 kind of migration painful. JSG From dav259@csiro.au Tue Sep 16 22:05:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77162 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 05:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 05:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 05:05:16 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8H55F8J006968 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:05:15 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:05:15 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: 1242 3GV (formerly 3TR) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Good news!! Well I have good news for you then. Just spoke to the PD at 3GV and he advised me that the seperator is simply being repaired and WILL BE BACK :-D That news certainly brightened up my day. (Hey, living in Cowwarr even the smallest things are an improvement :-P) Cheers, Michael From dav259@csiro.au Wed Sep 17 02:28:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59491 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 09:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 09:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 09:28:25 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8H9SO8J024273 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:28:24 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:28:24 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Ratings report Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Here are the Melbourne figures released yesterday by A C Neilsen. AM stereo stations Other 23.3 76.7 AM stations FM stations Other 40.8 53.1 6.1 ABC stations Commercial Other 22.0 71.9 6.1 Obviously AMS is still alive and reasonably well in Melbourne. And public radio (ABC) is kicking goals. Melbourne's five ABC stations are kicking butt ... on a shoestring compared to the commercial stations. Their Youth Network - JJJ - plays new Aussie music and includes some talk. Radio National provides programs to the rest of the world. Newsradio gives us the best programs from CBC, the BBC, PBS, Radio New Zealand, and others - plus 24 hour national news. And the metro station - our 3LO - is the second top rating station! And the ONLY talk station that does put the "fairness doctrine" into practice here. We are indeed lucky. God bless public radio. Ian Downunder . From zebra@strangeanimals.net Wed Sep 17 02:42:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: zebra@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57991 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 09:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 09:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 09:42:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2003 09:42:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:42:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SRF-42 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiozebra" X-Originating-IP: 64.81.68.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123903593 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra I'm selling one on Ebay. Since I have nice ones and that one is gathering dust... search on SRF-42 -mike From stodd@vippn.com Wed Sep 17 06:42:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4926 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 13:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 13:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 13:42:13 -0000 Message-ID: <004f01c37d22$08ee4960$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <13.220c4008.2c979164@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do something about it Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:45:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude What are you talking about? Talk radio is going well in this market. KSTP's ratings might be down some, but that's only due to losing listeners to one of my stations.. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: The reason why > commercial talk stations continue to lose listeners is because they don't > have the Fairness Doctrine to keep discipline in talk radio. Today's talk radio > HAS NO DISCIPLINE. From stodd@vippn.com Wed Sep 17 07:05:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44272 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 14:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 14:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 14:05:24 -0000 Message-ID: <009f01c37d25$45dd5160$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comparisons Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:56:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I do care, but with only dial-up that seldom exceeds 3kbps download speed, files that large take too much time for me to load. I seldom listen to any files much bigger than 1MB. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" > mmkay. I guess nobody cares. From stodd@vippn.com Wed Sep 17 07:05:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62577 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 14:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 14:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 14:05:27 -0000 Message-ID: <00a001c37d25$46d91680$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030916071312.69391.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEP Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:08:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude LOL! Killed the drive to your transmitter by doing that! Ask your boss if he'd be willing to trade that 9200 for a 9100. Probably a few still out there, though most will likely be mono units. All can be converted to stereo, however, with an additional card which is still available. Then go to bnet and look through the used equipment dealers and see who has a 9100, and set up the arrangements. Might have to go through the Radio Classifieds too. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > We are apparently > still using the Powerside because the carrier > deviation was WAAAAAAAAY over to thr right and > when I turned it off, it turned the XMTR. off > with it. I need to get that thing out of there. From stodd@vippn.com Wed Sep 17 07:23:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46069 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 14:23:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 14:23:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 14:23:41 -0000 Message-ID: <00c801c37d27$d4c23600$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <1aa.19d42819.2c98ee40@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rush Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:27:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not that they couldn't if they wanted to. Premier has something like five different services, one of which is stereo and is UNUSED during the day hours. Great idea, PH. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" > I just wish the Rush feed was in Stereo. With all of the spoof commercials, > cool bumper music, and funny sound effects, Rush would sound ultra-cool in > C-QUAM. In fact, Rush is so popular that a stereo feed of his show alone > would put more C-QUAM signals on the air and more AM Stereo tuners on the > market. Want proof? Most Sangean CCRadio sets are sold to Rush listeners! From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Sep 17 07:34:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39213 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 14:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 14:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 14:34:17 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:28:08 -0600 Message-ID: <004001c37d28$c6702cf0$5401010a@AM> To: References: <009f01c37d25$45dd5160$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comparisons Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:34:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks all At least I don't quite feel like it was a waste of my time. I appreciate all the technical comments. Probably wasn't a good time to make an aircheck. Yes, the processors' electrolytics are dying quickly. Fixable. Also failed to mention that right now the tubes are not in the best shape. 4-400C's definitely have a limited lifetime and it's kinda short....like 9 months at best with our McMartian. The 2 tubes in the RF sockets are only about 2 or 3 months old. The tubes in the modulator sockets are actually a little over a year old now. Gonna talk to the boss about replacement for those right away. EVEN in the shape our plant is in right now, it STILL sounds fabulous. Will post another aircheck later on once I get the caps replaced and get the tubes done as well. MJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Wed Sep 17 07:53:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2008 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 14:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 14:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 14:53:23 -0000 Message-ID: <011101c37d2b$f842d0e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030916.202452.484.3.w6yn@juno.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rush Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:50:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Arbitron doesn't rate non-coms. The data is a bit hard to come by unless you purchase the raw data findings of the surveys. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "W6YN Don Milbury" > NPR does not show in my ratings book - where do you find NPRs demos? From stodd@vippn.com Wed Sep 17 07:53:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55602 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 14:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 14:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 14:53:28 -0000 Message-ID: <011301c37d2b$fa3a5b20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <74E6DC94-E7D0-11D7-B8BC-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comparisons Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:53:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude WOR was always mono until they agreed to test IBOC. Kevin T. would have to bring his Panasonic signal generator to do the comparison. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" > Does WOR still have C-Quam on the backup transmitter? If so, is there > any chance of WOR sending out a C-Quam signal in the middle of the > night when no one's listening (or writing in the diaries) as a test > that can be recorded? From stodd@vippn.com Wed Sep 17 07:53:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57125 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 14:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 14:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 14:53:30 -0000 Message-ID: <011401c37d2b$fb3499a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} are these specs ok for sensitivity? Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:56:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Those are pretty good. A good home FM tuner might be 1.5 uV, but for a portable those specs are nothing to sneeze at. The AM side is better than a lot of AM radios made today, portable or not. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > I'm considering getting a unit with mp3, AM/FM, etc... > Are these specs ok? (the radio doesn't have AM St) > > FM sensitivity - 5uV at S/N 26db > AM sensitivity - 68dbuV at 1000KHz From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Sep 17 08:53:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13990 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 15:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 15:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 15:53:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2003 15:53:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:53:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DAB price breakthrough Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1235 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Radio Shack Canada has just permanently lowered the priced of the DAB pocket radio from $300 CDN to $100 CDN. They can be purchased online at radioshack.ca Keep in mind that DAB is short range stuff - no DX possibilities that I'm aware of. It might be tempting for yours truly, but I'd have to drive to Canada's little big City, HRM, more commonly known as Halifax, to listen. But why should I bother, when I can get all the Halifax FM stations [about 100 miles away as the crow flies] rather nicely most of the time on my Heath PT-1 [think of it as a 1958 to 1961 Fanfare]. On the AM Stereo front, CJCH is still in mono - such a shame. Come winter, when the lower part of the AM band actually propigates decently at night, I'll have to check for CFRA [580] and VOCM [590] to see if they are still in stereo. CHUM's CFRA is talk, and Newcap's VOCM is too. A few nights back I was actually able to pick up 760 WJR and 1530 WSAI here. It was too late to run out to the car to listen to WJR in stereo, and the SRF-42 is far too hard to tune for this. I do enjoy listening to WWKB at night in the car, with the stereo light glowing. Sound is very good, even if there seems to be no separation. Phil R. PEI Canada From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 09:56:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34105 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 16:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 16:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80502.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 16:56:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20030917165631.78979.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.99] by web80502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:56:31 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rush To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00c801c37d27$d4c23600$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > Not that they couldn't if they wanted to. Premier > has something like five > different services, one of which is stereo and is > UNUSED during the day > hours. Great idea, PH. > > Scott Todd Didn't Rush USED to be in stereo? Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 09:58:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41398 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 16:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 16:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80508.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 16:58:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20030917165830.27546.qmail@web80508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.99] by web80508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:58:30 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comparisons To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004001c37d28$c6702cf0$5401010a@AM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Thanks all > At least I don't quite feel like it was a waste of > my time. I appreciate all the technical comments. > Probably wasn't a good time to make an aircheck. > Yes, the processors' electrolytics are dying > quickly. Fixable. Also failed to mention that > right now the tubes are not in the best shape. > 4-400C's definitely have a limited lifetime and it's > kinda short....like 9 months at best with our > McMartian. The 2 tubes in the RF sockets are only > about 2 or 3 months old. The tubes in the modulator > sockets are actually a little over a year old now. > Gonna talk to the boss about replacement for those > right away. EVEN in the shape our plant is in right > now, it STILL sounds fabulous. Will post another > aircheck later on once I get the caps replaced and > get the tubes done as well. > > MJR Is there an air intake and filter at the bottom back of the TX? If so get a cheap box fan, and have it blow into the filter. We doubled the life of the tubes on our venerable RCA BTA 1R2 that way. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 10:00:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95170 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 17:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 17:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80512.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 17:00:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20030917170045.12415.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.99] by web80512.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:00:45 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAB price breakthrough To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- tubesareking wrote: > Radio Shack Canada has just permanently lowered the > priced of the > DAB pocket radio from $300 CDN to $100 CDN. They > can be purchased > online at radioshack.ca Keep in mind that DAB is > short range stuff - > no DX possibilities that I'm aware of. Not so. No skip but tropo's and those start at UHF+ and work DOWNWARD in frequency! Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 13:11:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60541 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 20:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 20:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 20:11:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2003 20:11:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:11:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: are these specs ok for sensitivity? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011401c37d2b$fb3499a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1440 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key It's Pogo Products' Radio YourWay AM/FM Radio, mp3 player/recorder... here's a bit more info on the AM/FM specs. FM RADIO (Stereo) S/N: 45db at 1mv 98.1MHz Distortion: 0.8% (max) at 1mv 98.1MHz ?f=22.5kHz Freq Response: 350Hz+-30Hz,3kHz+-0.25kHz (150Hz-2.5kHz,60dbuV) Sensitivity: 5uV at S/N=26db Frequency Cover Range: 76MHz - 108MHz AM RADIO S/N: 35db Distortion: 3% Freq Response: 150Hz - 1.5kHz at 0db (could this possibly be improved, and maybe add an AM Stereo decoder, say, expand bandwidth to, say, 40Hz to 8KHz? Sensitivity Frequency: 68dbuV at 1000kHz Cover Range: 530kHz - 1710kHz btw... for mp3 encoding, it only goes up to 32kbps, and I would prefer up to at least 192-256kbps. I should contact them and see if it could be updated with a flash update. Should I keep looking, or if I can get one for around $100 on ebay would it be a good one? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Those are pretty good. A good home FM tuner might be 1.5 uV, but for a > portable those specs are nothing to sneeze at. The AM side is better than a > lot of AM radios made today, portable or not. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > > > I'm considering getting a unit with mp3, AM/FM, etc... > > Are these specs ok? (the radio doesn't have AM St) > > > > FM sensitivity - 5uV at S/N 26db > > AM sensitivity - 68dbuV at 1000KHz From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Sep 17 13:56:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22500 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 20:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 20:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 20:56:26 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.253]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:57:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c37d5e$116c1680$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAB price breakthrough Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:55:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I got a note from Alex K (!!!) and CJCH will be back in stereo soon. Exciter maintenence. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: tubesareking To: Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:53 AM Subject: {AMSF} DAB price breakthrough > On the AM Stereo front, CJCH is still in mono - such a shame. > > > Phil R. > PEI Canada From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Sep 17 14:00:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95369 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 21:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 21:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 21:00:29 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.253]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:01:34 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c37d5e$a344d1a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: are these specs ok for sensitivity? Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:59:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 No room to add a decoder, plus the onboard voltage is too low. The radio part is NOT what you want one of these for- Dismal performance. Get the plain recorder without the radio. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key To: Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: are these specs ok for sensitivity? > It's Pogo Products' Radio YourWay AM/FM Radio, mp3 player/recorder... > > here's a bit more info on the AM/FM specs. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 15:22:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30408 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 22:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 22:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 22:22:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2003 22:22:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:21:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: are these specs ok for sensitivity? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 395 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.61 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > btw... for mp3 encoding, it only goes up to 32kbps, and I would prefer > up to at least 192-256kbps. I should contact them and see if it could > be updated with a flash update. You sure that isn't a 32 kHz sample rate? 32kbps is really only good for 22 kHz mono or 11 kHz stereo. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Sep 17 15:50:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47014 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 22:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 22:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 22:50:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2003 22:50:07 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12500 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 22:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 22:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 22:14:42 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.35.3d59b40c (4116) for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35.3d59b40c.2c9a36cd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:14:37 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New IBOC Codec Samples To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Sep 2003 22:50:06 -0000 I think "Last Dance" by Donna Summer would sound better in C-QUAM AM Stereo than in IBOC. Take a listen to an Internet feed using a standard dial-up modem. That's what IBOC sounds like. I think those IBOC supporters should have a reality check. One, this is not a technology crisis. C-QUAM AM Stereo and FM Stereo are far more advanced technologies than IBOC or any other digital system will ever be. Most Americans will not afford the high prices for IBOC receivers, no matter which codec is used. And they won't tolerate the low quality transmissions of IBOC when the high-quality C-QUAM AM Stereo or FM Stereo transmissions will suit consumers just fine. People will listen as long as it's a good program, regardless of whether it's on AM or FM. The harsh reality is that this is a PROGRAMMING crisis. After all, it's consultants that drove radio listeners away! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 17:13:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42257 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 00:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 00:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 00:13:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 00:13:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:13:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rush Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c801c37d27$d4c23600$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 756 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Not that they couldn't if they wanted to. Premier has something like five > different services, one of which is stereo and is UNUSED during the day > hours. Great idea, PH. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Possum Hunter" > > > I just wish the Rush feed was in Stereo. With all of the spoof > commercials, > > cool bumper music, and funny sound effects, Rush would sound ultra-cool in > > C-QUAM. In fact, Rush is so popular that a stereo feed of his show alone > > would put more C-QUAM signals on the air and more AM Stereo tuners on the > > market. Want proof? Most Sangean CCRadio sets are sold to Rush listeners! Is the CCR AMS? From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 17:21:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54456 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 00:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 00:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 00:21:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 00:21:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:21:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rush Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 133 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Is the CCR AMS? Nope. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Sep 17 17:58:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38413 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 00:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 00:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 00:58:00 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030918005759.SDDJ25496.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:57:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:57:57 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New IBOC Codec Samples Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <35.3d59b40c.2c9a36cd@aol.com> Message-Id: <24CE7B3E-E973-11D7-A16C-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner An engineer for a major Southern California station said they have no intention of going IBOC. Said it would happen only if there is a demand for AM that sounds like garbled shortwave, or something to that effect. On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 03:14 PM, n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > I think "Last Dance" by Donna Summer would sound better in C-QUAM AM > Stereo > than in IBOC. Take a listen to an Internet feed using a standard > dial-up modem. > That's what IBOC sounds like. > > I think those IBOC supporters should have a reality check. One, this > is not a > technology crisis. C-QUAM AM Stereo and FM Stereo are far more advanced > technologies than IBOC or any other digital system will ever be. Most > Americans > will not afford the high prices for IBOC receivers, no matter which > codec is > used. And they won't tolerate the low quality transmissions of IBOC > when the > high-quality C-QUAM AM Stereo or FM Stereo transmissions will suit > consumers just > fine. People will listen as long as it's a good program, regardless of > whether > it's on AM or FM. The harsh reality is that this is a PROGRAMMING > crisis. > After all, it's consultants that drove radio listeners away! > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 18:15:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81388 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 01:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 01:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 01:15:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 01:15:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:15:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New IBOC Codec Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24CE7B3E-E973-11D7-A16C-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 632 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > An engineer for a major Southern California station said they have > no intention of going IBOC. Said it would happen only if there is a > demand for AM that sounds like garbled shortwave, or something to > that effect. KFI? Lately, Clear Channel doesn't seem to be too enthused about IBOC, especially on AM, but you could explain that by how frugal they are. If it won't help increase their revenue, they won't spend the $$$ to install and use it. (And unfortunately, this same rule is likely why they tend not to support the use of AM Stereo, except in special circumstances like KABL, WOKY, and a few other stations.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 18:27:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76851 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 01:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 01:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 01:27:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 01:27:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:27:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New IBOC Codec Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 859 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > An engineer for a major Southern California station said they have > > no intention of going IBOC. Said it would happen only if there is a > > demand for AM that sounds like garbled shortwave, or something to > > that effect. > > KFI? I was thinking KNX. > > Lately, Clear Channel doesn't seem to be too enthused about IBOC, > especially on AM, but you could explain that by how frugal they are. > If it won't help increase their revenue, they won't spend the $$$ to > install and use it. (And unfortunately, this same rule is likely why > they tend not to support the use of AM Stereo, except in special > circumstances like KABL, WOKY, and a few other stations.) Keep in mind, also, that ClearChannel is a major backer of iNiquity, er, iBiquity. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From spt87a@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 18:38:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spt87a@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89950 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 01:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 01:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 01:38:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 01:38:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:38:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030917032146.4661.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3092 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "spt87a" X-Originating-IP: 204.110.135.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=160273779 X-Yahoo-Profile: spt87a -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Brian Robbins wrote: > ... Analog AM today is now a "giant interference fest free-for-all" with no regard for guard band spacing like with FM or power control to stay within your own market. > Mainly because of the 50 KWs who overpower the nation. Do we really need stations that cover 40 states anymore? > Interesting points. I take the reverse view of station allocation on the AM band. Get rid of the low power stations and keep the regional and clear channel stations. Getting rid of the high power clear channels only serves to sabotage the most successful stations on the band. Many of these stations are the highest rated, top billing stations in their markets and have been for decades. The top billing stations nationwide, AM or FM are AM clear channel stations. These stations have historically been at or near the top and remain so. What FM has stolen market share from are the low power local stations. The low power locals frequently have trouble covering their entire primary market or suburban areas. These stations suffer the most from electrical interference, get squashed at night by hundreds of other low power (not clear channel) stations which share their frequency/adjacent frequencies and tend to have the most complicated directional patterns and power change requirements. These are stations facing the most obstacles in running C-Quam or IBOC. All this equals less revenue and higher operation costs. If not for voice tracking, ownership consolidation and syndicated programming, most of these "local" AM stations would have been long gone. Instead of attacking the successful stations let's help them out - get low power stations off their frequencies at night, give them better adjacent channel protection so they can open up the bandwidth and start looking at higher power levels to better combat electrical noise. In general the AM band needs fewer stations with MORE power. Encourage the local stations to merge, turn in their licenses, etc. and create viable regional or clear channel stations in their place. Let's also accept the fact that with less stations than the FM band (and hopefully even fewer in the future) that AM market share will remain lower the FM. If individual stations are successful, though, who cares. I'm sure WBZ-AM's sales department doesn't care that only 20% of the audience is tuned to AM when it is #1 most hours of the week over all it's FM competitors. Meanwhile the FCC owes the AM band some compensation for tilting the scale in favor of FM until it became dominate. Mandate AM stereo reception on any radio that receives FM stereo (whether it be C-Quam or IBOC stereo) and require digitally tuned radios to have seamless tuning between the bands - get rid of the AM/FM button and just make it so the radio jumps from 1710AM to 87FM and from 108FM to 530AM. I'll bet this one change alone would give AM share a good boost as people would end up sampling AM stations by just pushing "scan". - Scott From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 18:46:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55363 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 01:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 01:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 01:46:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 01:46:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:45:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Aussie TM-152 on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 223 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is the Australian version of the Realistic TM-152 AM Stereo tuner. Can be used anywhere with 220V-240V AC power. Works best with an external antenna. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3047548481 From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 19:29:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2790 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 02:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 02:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 02:29:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 02:29:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:29:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2086 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "spt87a" wrote: > -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Brian Robbins > wrote: > > > ... Analog AM today is now a "giant interference fest free-for-all" > with no regard for guard band spacing like with FM or power control > to stay within your own market. > > > Mainly because of the 50 KWs who overpower the nation. Do we really > need stations that cover 40 states anymore? Yes, yes we do. But not as many as we do have. > Interesting points. I take the reverse view of station allocation > on the AM band. Get rid of the low power stations and keep the > regional and clear channel stations. Getting rid of the high power > clear channels only serves to sabotage the most successful stations > on the band. Many of these stations are the highest rated, top =snip= I personally prefer a variation on the Australian broadcast plan-- Ian knows exactly what I mean, here. :) Only the original "clear channel"-designated stations should be 50kW, much as was planned in the 1930s for civil defense purposes. No fewer than 12 stations in the contiguous US with the specific intent to serve such large portions. A second level with no more than 10kW should allow coverage of major metropolitan regions. This part is the variatiuon from the Australian plan. The third level, which is essentially the second level in Australia, is for all other broadcasters-- No more than 5kW. Reducing, not eliminating, the 50kW broadcasters will do far, far more to save AM's usability as a medium, instead of the FCC's present system of upping everybody to 50kW to overcome everybody else's 50kW signal. This certainly is the biggest mistake ever to hit mediumwave broadcasting in North America, and it does need rectifying. And if you don't think 5kW is enough for everybody, ask Ian about how good AM covers in Australia. :) Only Australia's public broadcaster, ABC, can broadcast to 50kW; all others, just a mere 5, and Michael in NZ is DXing the Aussies 1000 miles away. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 20:43:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68517 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 03:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 03:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 03:43:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 03:43:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 03:43:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WOR vs. WOR... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 827 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I almost forgot about this, but back in June I caught 710 WOR broadcasting a full-quality, full-bandwidth analog AM signal and I was lucky enough to record some of it. Now, with WOR's recently posted audio samples of their "new, improved" IBOC digital sound, as well as that of their current 5 kHz analog audio (I dunno why they keep claiming it's 6 kHz; as long as the IBOC sidebands are on, WOR's analog audio drops off like a cliff at 5 kHz), it becomes an interesting comparison to what *WOR itself* sounds like over a traditional 10 kHz analog mono AM signal, as transmitted by their venerable Continental rig: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/iboc/710wor.mp3 (The file somehow wound up in the IBOC directory, but fear not, it is an honest-to-goodness recording of 1920s technology at its best: ANALOG AM radio.) From possumhunter@netzero.net Wed Sep 17 21:15:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34170 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 04:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 04:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 04:15:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:15:30 -0700 Received: from 172.145.183.57 by bay7-dav28.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 04:15:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20030917165631.78979.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rush Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:12:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2003 04:15:30.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F67D560:01C37D9B] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.145.183.57] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Didn't Rush USED to be in stereo? No, he was only in one SEDAT channel when his show was on Satcom C5 Anybody still got the old Fairchild DART reciever? LOL Kevin From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Sep 17 21:18:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12412 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 04:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 04:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 04:18:04 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8I4I3x21831 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:18:03 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8I4I3P03769 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:18:03 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8I4I3Z03762 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:18:03 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:18:03 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471AB@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:17:55 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Amy, The only thing that I don't like here is that our 5kw stations don't seem to punch into office buildings - basically they don't have enough power to penetrate a high rise building. However our 50kw ABC station is easily listenable in the office environment with a surprising lack of noise - probably due to the brute force of the 50kw signal. I'm sure if we could actually purchase Terk Loop Style AM antenna's in Australia, these would go far to reduce building penetration issues experienced by 5kw and under stations. Cheers Matt -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 12:30 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge And if you don't think 5kW is enough for everybody, ask Ian about how good AM covers in Australia. :) Only Australia's public broadcaster, ABC, can broadcast to 50kW; all others, just a mere 5, and Michael in NZ is DXing the Aussies 1000 miles away. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From w6yn@juno.com Wed Sep 17 21:44:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97447 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 04:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 04:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 04:44:16 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCYm0vFapKBDp+RrElh6UZFc=">; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:43:38 PDT Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JAB68PGT; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:43:38 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:41:54 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Message-ID: <20030917.214156.1360.3.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-5,8-9,11-12,14-17,19-84 From: W6YN Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn When I was a youngster I thought almost all radio stations were in Del Rio, Texas. That was because that was all I could get on my radio at night. I lived in the sticks and had no daytime radio service. The clear channel stations (Class 1A) today do not consider the 40+ states they cover as being in their service area. KFI will not recognize anything outside of the LA market. Our local 1kW stations can't make it across town at night without interference. What a waste! Anyway -any plan would have to consider the interest of the station owners. I'm glad I don't have to make the decisions. Don ----------------------------------- On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:29:49 -0000 "Amy Mousie" writes: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "spt87a" wrote: > > -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Brian Robbins > > > wrote: > > > > > ... Analog AM today is now a "giant interference fest > free-for-all" > > with no regard for guard band spacing like with FM or power > control > > to stay within your own market. > > > > > Mainly because of the 50 KWs who overpower the nation. Do we > really > > need stations that cover 40 states anymore? > > Yes, yes we do. But not as many as we do have. > > > Interesting points. I take the reverse view of station allocation > > > on the AM band. Get rid of the low power stations and keep the > > regional and clear channel stations. Getting rid of the high > power > > clear channels only serves to sabotage the most successful > stations > > on the band. Many of these stations are the highest rated, top > > =snip= > > I personally prefer a variation on the Australian broadcast plan-- > Ian knows exactly what I mean, here. :) > > Only the original "clear channel"-designated stations should be > 50kW, > much as was planned in the 1930s for civil defense purposes. No > fewer > than 12 stations in the contiguous US with the specific intent to > serve such large portions. > > A second level with no more than 10kW should allow coverage of major > > metropolitan regions. This part is the variatiuon from the > Australian > plan. > > The third level, which is essentially the second level in Australia, > > is for all other broadcasters-- No more than 5kW. > > Reducing, not eliminating, the 50kW broadcasters will do far, far > more to save AM's usability as a medium, instead of the FCC's > present > system of upping everybody to 50kW to overcome everybody else's 50kW > > signal. This certainly is the biggest mistake ever to hit mediumwave > > broadcasting in North America, and it does need rectifying. > > And if you don't think 5kW is enough for everybody, ask Ian about > how > good AM covers in Australia. :) Only Australia's public broadcaster, > > ABC, can broadcast to 50kW; all others, just a mere 5, and Michael > in > NZ is DXing the Aussies 1000 miles away. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Wed Sep 17 21:52:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34671 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 04:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 04:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 04:52:32 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8I4qUvd003509 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:52:30 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:52:30 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > > Mainly because of the 50 KWs who overpower the nation. Do we really > > need stations that cover 40 states anymore? > > Yes, yes we do. But not as many as we do have. I wish we had more! > I personally prefer a variation on the Australian broadcast plan-- > Ian knows exactly what I mean, here. :) I do??? (Sort of - I'd better eat more cheese.) > Only the original "clear channel"-designated stations should be 50kW, > much as was planned in the 1930s for civil defense purposes. No fewer > than 12 stations in the contiguous US with the specific intent to > serve such large portions. I've just checked our ABA site and we only have 13 stations on 50kw. I think our system was planned well to start with but recently mistakes have been made. We now have fewer AM stations than prior to the 90s when many commercial stations were allowed to move to the FM band. When 1179 3KZ and 1026 3DB moved in the early 90s their spots were grabbed by a community station and ABC Newsradio. They should have moved 3AK and 3XY to these frequencies. But when 3XY imploded it was reallocated to 693 - clashing with Brisbane's 4KQ. Then when 3AK recently moved it was given 1116 - clashing with Brisbane's 4BC. (Funnily enough they both identify as Talk 11-16 but are in opposition.) 4BC recently was permitted to increase its power to 17kw - the only Oz commercial station above 5kw. Also Brisbane's 4BH is currently only on 1kw. The two Matts ... Has 4BC benefited in any way? Is 4BH still using the community station's transmitter after theirs was sabotaged? I'd like to see some rational rearranging so that we could pick up as many outlying stations as we used to. > And if you don't think 5kW is enough for everybody, ask Ian about how > good AM covers in Australia. :) Only Australia's public broadcaster, > ABC, can broadcast to 50kW; all others, just a mere 5, and Michael in > NZ is DXing the Aussies 1000 miles away. :) The ABC's coverage is outstanding. But with fewer AM stations than 13 years ago (and heaps fewer than North America) I think some should be permitted to move on the dial and boadcast with more power. Most people in regional Victoria can't pick up Melbourne's commercial stations with an ordinary radio. ABC-wise though they are fortunate. They have their own ABC regional station but can usually also pick up 3LO. Michael ... what power do NZ stations transmit? Ian From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Sep 17 22:20:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78288 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 05:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 05:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 05:20:43 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030918052037.GCEX7829.fed1mtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:20:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:20:41 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New IBOC Codec Samples Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hate to say. He was very upfront about his opinions on things and I'd=20 hate for word somehow to get back to his superiors. On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 06:15 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > An engineer for a major Southern California station said they have > > no intention of going IBOC. Said it would happen only if there is a > > demand for AM that sounds like garbled shortwave, or something to > > that effect. > > KFI? > > Lately, Clear Channel doesn't seem to be too enthused about IBOC, > especially on AM, but you could explain that by how frugal they are. > If it won't help increase their revenue, they won't spend the $$$ to > install and use it.=A0 (And unfortunately, this same rule is likely why > they tend not to support the use of AM Stereo, except in special > circumstances like KABL, WOKY, and a few other stations.) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 22:47:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91923 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 05:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 05:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 05:47:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20030918054707.60980.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.250.57] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:47:07 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian Davidson wrote:Michael ... what power do NZ stations transmit? Ian We have 2YA Wellington 567kHz at 100kw We can get it in the daytime here on most radios with static-it takes 6 hours to drive there from here and 2YC 657 Wellington on 60kw and 2ZB 1035Khz on 20kw along with the YC's in the main centres on 20kw which are 882 in Auckland ,963 Christchurch and 900 Dunedin and the ZB's are 10kW 1080 Auckland,1098 Christchurch and 1044 Dunedin-after that theres quite a lot 5kw and tons of 2kw in regional areas and some even 1kw in places. We get no night time interference in Auckland as the main Xmitters are about 20 miles from where I am (some lower powered ones are closer)(If I hold the radio carefully without moving it on funny angles I can actually get waxing and waning of local signals at night) but a 15 minute drive on the southern motorway from here and all the local AM's all grind away and fade out at night just over the Bombay hills. Just a note 1YA 756 actually lights up the stereo indicator on a couple of radios and has a funny "stereo hum/hiss" going but the music isnt stereo! Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Sep 17 23:17:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81852 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 06:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 06:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 06:17:31 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8I6HUx06467 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:17:30 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8I6HUP28449 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:17:30 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8I6HUZ28420 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:17:30 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:17:29 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471AC@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:17:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Believe it or not, as of this morning 4BH is finally back on full power with their new masts at their nominal TX site at Tingalpa. More info as it comes to hand! (nothing posted on their website which is strange!) Unfortunately they haven't taken the opportunity to widen their bandwidth or add AM Stereo - still seems to roll off steeply around 6khz. i1197 still sounding good - going to their Annual General Meeting on 1st October so I'll talk to the president about AM Stereo etc. I have managed to locate a Motorola 1300 CQUAM exciter in the states - one of our list members is currently testing it for me. Will need to convert it for 240v operation (or use one of the domestic step down transformers available) (unless it has a switchable 110/240v supply (possibly may do?) -----Original Message----- From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 2:53 PM To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Also Brisbane's 4BH is currently only on 1kw. The two Matts ... Has 4BC benefited in any way? Is 4BH still using the community station's transmitter after theirs was sabotaged? I'd like to see some rational rearranging so that we could pick up as many outlying stations as we used to. From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Sep 17 23:29:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4505 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 06:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 06:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 06:29:13 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8I6TCx07889 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:29:12 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8I6TDP00504 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:29:13 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8I6TCZ00438 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:29:13 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:29:12 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471AD@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: i1197 AM live stream is still running 24/7 - Ogg Vorbis Format Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:29:07 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 http://xstream1.com:8610/i1197.ogg.m3u Winamp 2.91 Full version should play it fine if you click the above link. I'm sure they around running 12khz+ audio - I am using Ogg Vorbis compression with Quality 1 setting and 22050 sample rate (this gives around a 34kbps stream with little/no audio artefacts) Very listenable on a 56k modem provided your connection speed is at least 42000+ I'm still playing around trying to minimise the slight whistle in the audio. Enjoy. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 00:10:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8120 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 07:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 07:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 07:10:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 07:10:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:09:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: i1197 AM live stream is still running 24/7 - Ogg Vorbis Format Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471AD@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 239 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > > http://xstream1.com:8610/i1197.ogg.m3u I -DARE- any FM to sound this crisp and clean, even if the music is not to your liking. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Thu Sep 18 01:03:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4914 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 08:03:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 08:03:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 08:03:10 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h8I838H1016123 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:03:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:03:08 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge In-Reply-To: <20030918054707.60980.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > We have 2YA Wellington 567kHz at 100kw We can get it in the daytime > here on most radios with static Crikey! It must be like the flame torch that is Radio Havana. I just tried it but only get a weak signal of our Radio National from Upper Kumbuckter West (fictitious town from Hey Hey It's Saturday!). What's it's format? - I may try again when the sun goes down. > Just a note 1YA 756 actually lights up the stereo indicator on a > couple of radios and has a funny "stereo hum/hiss" going but the > music isnt stereo! Maybe they've got an AMS transmitter and someone's left the exciter on. I believe Brisbane's 4QR listeners experienced this for some time after they stopped sending a stereo signal from the studio. I spoke to the engineer and he assured me the studio feed was mono - but the ABC's transmission facilities had been contracted out to Broadcast Australia and the exciter may have been left on. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 01:36:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86995 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 08:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 08:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41211.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 08:36:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20030918083652.43024.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.250.57] by web41211.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:36:52 PDT Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think they have talked about turning it down(They are supposed to go to mono FM simulcast in the very near future-the budget has been given the go ahead to go FM in Wellington)I think also 2YA can intermittently light up the AMS light too-should try it. I think someone on this list Amymousie or nUimeric (cant remember which one said National radio was C Quam ready) 2ZB on 1035 can be got in Melbourne I have recieved it when I have been there on my superadio as I take it everywhere. On the Gold coast stations like 1080 1ZB and 2ZP 1053(Its far enough from the 1053 in Brizzie) and 1ZN 1026 and 1YA 756 comes in real clear at night. Michael Ian Davidson wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > We have 2YA Wellington 567kHz at 100kw We can get it in the daytime > here on most radios with static Crikey! It must be like the flame torch that is Radio Havana. I just tried it but only get a weak signal of our Radio National from Upper Kumbuckter West (fictitious town from Hey Hey It's Saturday!). What's it's format? - I may try again when the sun goes down. > Just a note 1YA 756 actually lights up the stereo indicator on a > couple of radios and has a funny "stereo hum/hiss" going but the > music isnt stereo! Maybe they've got an AMS transmitter and someone's left the exciter on. I believe Brisbane's 4QR listeners experienced this for some time after they stopped sending a stereo signal from the studio. I spoke to the engineer and he assured me the studio feed was mono - but the ABC's transmission facilities had been contracted out to Broadcast Australia and the exciter may have been left on. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ve Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 02:01:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28140 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 09:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 09:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41001.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.0) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 09:01:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20030918090112.44359.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.32.61] by web41001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:01:12 PDT Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEP To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00a001c37d25$46d91680$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Thanks for the info. For our next project, we will have it so that when you turn the light on, the toilet flushes! Apparently there was a 9100 @ 1 point, but it's nowhere to be seen. Too bad because I really thought it could be stereo end-to-end without much rewiring. I also have to check on our phone feed. I saw "15kHz" & "8kHz." I think we're using 15kHz, but I hope it's not the 8! Maybe that could be a data line.... By the way, do we need a "Chief Operator" anymore? 73, Jay, N1WVQ P.D.-WPEP/1570 P.S.: If I could donate that Powerside I would. Some ham or a museum could give it a good home. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jim@burgan.net Thu Sep 18 06:00:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32535 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 13:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 13:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-2.iquest.net) (206.246.180.52) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 13:00:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 39236 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 13:00:30 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-2.iquest.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 13:00:30 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-151.iquest.net [209.43.58.151]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AND53457; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:00:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004601c37de4$d6043000$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20030917165631.78979.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rush Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:00:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Anybody still got the old Fairchild DART reciever? LOL I have two of them... Our main Fairchild receiver got taken out in a lightning hit in June 1999, so we bought another for back-up purposes. Within a year everything we got from Satcom C5 using the Fairchild had jumped on the Starguide bandwagon. Anyone wanna buy a good, like-new Fairchild (or two)? From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Sep 18 06:23:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48687 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 13:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 13:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 13:23:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 13:23:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:23:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAB price breakthrough Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c37d5e$116c1680$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 951 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Very good news Chris - CJCH has been mono since early spring, and as its the only AM Stereo station left in the Maritimes, I miss it. I also like their format - sort of a cross between oldies and adult standards. Their signal is better of late - maybe they are getting everything spruced up for the Fall BBMs. Their signal is pretty fringe here, but AM stereo makes it worth putting up with the interference. I hope they do really well in the ratings. Phil R. PEI --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I got a note from Alex K (!!!) and CJCH will be back in stereo soon. Exciter > maintenence. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tubesareking > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:53 AM > Subject: {AMSF} DAB price breakthrough > > > > On the AM Stereo front, CJCH is still in mono - such a shame. > > > > > > Phil R. > > PEI Canada From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Sep 18 08:00:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36075 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 15:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 15:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 15:00:27 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.207]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:01:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c37df5$80c109e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAB price breakthrough Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:59:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I did try to buy one of those DAB radios, but they will not ship out of Canada... :-( I do go to Montreal sometimes, and wanted it for hysterical .... er.. Historical purposes....) If anyone in Canada has paypal, and can get one for me, let me know! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: tubesareking To: Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:23 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAB price breakthrough From jim@burgan.net Thu Sep 18 10:38:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24884 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 17:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 17:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-1.iquest.net) (206.246.180.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 17:38:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 58283 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 17:38:46 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-1.iquest.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 17:38:46 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-147.iquest.net [209.43.58.147]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id ANE03168; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:38:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000d01c37e0b$a4eb2600$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <000701c37df5$80c109e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAB price breakthrough Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:38:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I did try to buy one of those DAB radios, but they will not ship out of > Canada... :-( I do go to Montreal sometimes, and wanted it for hysterical > .... er.. Historical purposes....) > If anyone in Canada has paypal, and can get one for me, let me know! Yep... I guess it's like Direct TV and Echostar is (or used to be).. You can't buy one in Canada but I know of people with the "hacked" SmartCard who smuggled it north of the border. Will Canadian DAD receivers work in the US? What kind of orbit is the bird (or birds)? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 11:09:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54943 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 18:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 18:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 18:09:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 18:09:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:09:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: good sample rate to record AMS from SRF-42/tape? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Ok... I recorded 1110 KDIS in the middle of the night from my SRF-42 to a tape. There was some signal fading, but... I was wondering what would be a good sampling rate to record from the tape onto the computer with? Considering that the SRF-42 has probably a 6.5 to 7.5KHz response, I was wondering if a 16KHz sample rate (8KHz response) would be good, or should I go with a 22KHz sample (11KHz response)? Or, what other option might be good? From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 11:14:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1466 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 18:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 18:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 18:14:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 18:14:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:14:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAB price breakthrough Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c37e0b$a4eb2600$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1132 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.109 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > Will Canadian DAD receivers work in the US? What kind of orbit is the bird > (or birds)? Canadian DAB-- which is the Eureka 147 system-- is terrestrial- No birds. :) And it's free to the public, not a subscription service. (Although in some countries, there ARE subscription services on DAB, but this doesn't affect DAB itself.) How some countries deal with this is program the DAB receivers onbly to receive the DAB channel bandplan used in that particular country, although most portables, from what I know, aren't, and can "seek out" the DAB multiplexes/ensembles on its own. And if you have a WaveFinder from the UK, you can edit one of its files to include more than just the assigned UK MUXs. Just that E147 DAB receivers won't handle IBOC, DRM, XM, Sirius, or Japan's terresrial DAB systems. Mexico is experimenting with both terresrial and satellite-based E147 DAB, the only one I'm aware of experimenting with satellite E147 delivery. DAB bandplans worldwide may be viewed here: http://www.wohnort.demon.co.uk/DAB/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 11:29:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38405 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 18:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 18:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 18:29:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 18:29:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:29:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: good sample rate to record AMS from SRF-42/tape? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 792 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Ok... I recorded 1110 KDIS in the middle of the night from my SRF-42 > to a tape. There was some signal fading, but... I was wondering what > would be a good sampling rate to record from the tape onto the > computer with? Considering that the SRF-42 has probably a 6.5 to > 7.5KHz response, I was wondering if a 16KHz sample rate (8KHz > response) would be good, or should I go with a 22KHz sample (11KHz > response)? Or, what other option might be good? While it's a 7.5kHz filter in the SRF-42, you WILL hear the 10kHz hetrodyne at times. 22kHz sample rate should do fine. 32 even better. 44 might be more than enough. Depends, also, on how good your tape deck is, too. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 11:49:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32820 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 18:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 18:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 18:49:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 18:49:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:49:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: good sample rate to record AMS from SRF-42/tape? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1059 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > Ok... I recorded 1110 KDIS in the middle of the night from my SRF-42 > > to a tape. There was some signal fading, but... I was wondering > what > > would be a good sampling rate to record from the tape onto the > > computer with? Considering that the SRF-42 has probably a 6.5 to > > 7.5KHz response, I was wondering if a 16KHz sample rate (8KHz > > response) would be good, or should I go with a 22KHz sample (11KHz > > response)? Or, what other option might be good? > > While it's a 7.5kHz filter in the SRF-42, you WILL hear the 10kHz > hetrodyne at times. 22kHz sample rate should do fine. 32 even better. > 44 might be more than enough. Depends, also, on how good your tape > deck is, too. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I am hearing the 10Khz. Should I sample it at 16KHz? or should I use a -96db 20Hz wide notch filter at 10KHz? (I was going to try sampling it at 22KHz btw) From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Sep 18 12:40:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37298 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 19:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 19:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 19:40:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 19:40:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:40:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New IBOC Codec Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 754 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Lately, Clear Channel doesn't seem to be too enthused about IBOC, > especially on AM, but you could explain that by how frugal they are. > If it won't help increase their revenue, they won't spend the $$$ to > install and use it. (And unfortunately, this same rule is likely > why they tend not to support the use of AM Stereo, except in special > circumstances like KABL, WOKY, and a few other stations.) What makes KABL & WOKY special cases? I remember spending many pleasant 1950's summers within the coverage areas of both WOKY's day and night patterns, but I don't see what makes these stations a special case anymore than hundreds of other stations? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Sep 18 12:46:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50195 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 19:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 19:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 19:46:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 19:46:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:46:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR vs. WOR... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 933 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > (The file somehow wound up in the IBOC directory, but fear not, it > is an honest-to-goodness recording of 1920s technology at its best: > ANALOG AM radio.) I don't know about that, aside from the fact that 1920's AM technology wasn't all that great, WOR's "venerable Continental rig" is more like 1950's or 1960's technology. The Continental 317B used 1930's technology that Continental inherited from Western Electric when they took over Western Electric's AM transmitter business. The Continental 317C, used by WOR, uses later technology, I'm guessing the Weldon circuit used in the 317C was a 1950's development, and the power tetrodes that made the 317C possible, may not have come along until the 1960's, these dates are only approximate, give or take ten years, does anyone know the dates of these two developments for sure? John From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 12:49:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4088 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 19:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 19:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 19:49:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 19:49:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:49:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1688 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key an AM only walkman for under $40 US retail with the following features and / or specs: AMAX AM Stereo digital tuning tuning range 510kHz to 1720kHz in 10kHz steps, 513kHz to 1719kHz in 5kHz steps, and 500kHz to 1720kHz in 1kHz steps sensitivity would have 3 settings - local, dx, fringe, corresponding with 10-15db signal to noise ratio at the coverage lines on maps on radio locator. (for example, on fringe setting, daytime co-channel interference on graveyard channels might be quite possible) selectivity would correspond to audio frequency response, with a fairly flat response out to the extent of the specified high end, then a brick wall filter immediately above that. here's the audio responses (open for adjustment, though): narrow: 32Hz to 9.6kHz (this setting would allow listening to a weak station out from under a strong one 10kHz away) wide: 16Hz to 19.2kHz (this setting is for listening to local stations with highest possible fidelity assuming there are no strong adjacent channel stations) (probably would also have an extremely narrow filter at 10kHz to counter the hetrodyne) if there was an adjustable, say, 7-band equalizer, the bands would be probably 27.5Hz, 130Hz, 260Hz, 1kHz, 4kHz, 8kHz, and 14kHz or something like that. (I'm making this feature optional, though.) powered by 2 AA batteries (or maybe 4) - would recommend >/= 1800mAh NiMH rechargeables. maybe also include an AC adapter and charger unit that can charge the batteries while they're in the player. jack for hooking up external speakers (separate from headphone jack maybe), and AC adapter. Anything else anyone thinks might be good in a sub-$40 AM Stereo walkman style radio? From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Sep 18 12:50:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32038 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 19:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 19:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 19:50:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 19:50:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:50:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: i1197 AM live stream is still running 24/7 - Ogg Vorbis Format Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 622 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" > wrote: > > > > http://xstream1.com:8610/i1197.ogg.m3u > > I -DARE- any FM to sound this crisp and clean, even if the music is > not to your liking. :) I'm not sure what you are getting at here? For some reason most FM stations don't want to sound "crisp and clean", but FM's potential is so far superior to AM, that any FM station that wanted to could make even the best AM station sound muddy and distorted by comparison, and at one time most did. John From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 13:28:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30623 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 20:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 20:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 20:28:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 20:28:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:28:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030917.214156.1360.3.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3623 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 "Our local 1kW stations can't make it across town at night without > interference. What a waste!" Its the same way around here. Our 1kW stations are bad once you get about a mile from the transmitter at night, and the 5kW stations are bad enough only getting out 5 miles without fade and interference, 15-20 miles and its not even possible to listen. Have to listen to a 50kW station 100 miles away.. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > When I was a youngster I thought almost all radio stations were in Del > Rio, Texas. > > That was because that was all I could get on my radio at night. I lived > in the sticks and had no daytime radio service. > > The clear channel stations (Class 1A) today do not consider the 40+ > states they cover as being in their service area. KFI will not recognize > anything outside of the LA market. > > Our local 1kW stations can't make it across town at night without > interference. What a waste! > > Anyway -any plan would have to consider the interest of the station > owners. I'm glad I don't have to make the decisions. > > Don > ----------------------------------- > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:29:49 -0000 "Amy Mousie" > writes: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "spt87a" wrote: > > > -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Brian Robbins > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > ... Analog AM today is now a "giant interference fest > > free-for-all" > > > with no regard for guard band spacing like with FM or power > > control > > > to stay within your own market. > > > > > > > Mainly because of the 50 KWs who overpower the nation. Do we > > really > > > need stations that cover 40 states anymore? > > > > Yes, yes we do. But not as many as we do have. > > > > > Interesting points. I take the reverse view of station allocation > > > > > on the AM band. Get rid of the low power stations and keep the > > > regional and clear channel stations. Getting rid of the high > > power > > > clear channels only serves to sabotage the most successful > > stations > > > on the band. Many of these stations are the highest rated, top > > > > =snip= > > > > I personally prefer a variation on the Australian broadcast plan- - > > Ian knows exactly what I mean, here. :) > > > > Only the original "clear channel"-designated stations should be > > 50kW, > > much as was planned in the 1930s for civil defense purposes. No > > fewer > > than 12 stations in the contiguous US with the specific intent to > > serve such large portions. > > > > A second level with no more than 10kW should allow coverage of major > > > > metropolitan regions. This part is the variatiuon from the > > Australian > > plan. > > > > The third level, which is essentially the second level in Australia, > > > > is for all other broadcasters-- No more than 5kW. > > > > Reducing, not eliminating, the 50kW broadcasters will do far, far > > more to save AM's usability as a medium, instead of the FCC's > > present > > system of upping everybody to 50kW to overcome everybody else's 50kW > > > > signal. This certainly is the biggest mistake ever to hit mediumwave > > > > broadcasting in North America, and it does need rectifying. > > > > And if you don't think 5kW is enough for everybody, ask Ian about > > how > > good AM covers in Australia. :) Only Australia's public broadcaster, > > > > ABC, can broadcast to 50kW; all others, just a mere 5, and Michael > > in > > NZ is DXing the Aussies 1000 miles away. :) > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 13:43:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9930 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 20:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 20:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 20:43:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 20:43:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:43:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4619 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key here's some small-power stations I can get at night mostly somewhat free of co-channel interference (although signal may be weak): 570 - KLAC - 116 miles away - 5kW - weak to moderate 600 - KOGO - 8 miles away - 5kW - very strong 790 - KABC - 120 miles - 5kW - weak to moderate 930 - KHJ - 121 miles - 5kW - weak to moderate 980 - KFWB - 116 miles - 5kW - weak to moderate 1000 - KCEO - 38 miles - 250 watts - weak (some co-channel from KOMO) 1040 - KURS - 11 miles - 63 watts - fairly good 1170 - KCBQ - 8 miles (formerly 6) - 375 watts (formally 1.5kW) - good 1240 - KSON - 11 miles - 1kW - good (no co-channel without nulling KSON) 1360 - KPOP - 8 miles - 1kW - strong --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amradiorocks2003" wrote: > "Our local 1kW stations can't make it across town at night without > > interference. What a waste!" > > > Its the same way around here. Our 1kW stations are bad once you get > about a mile from the transmitter at night, and the 5kW stations are > bad enough only getting out 5 miles without fade and interference, > 15-20 miles and its not even possible to listen. Have to listen to a > 50kW station 100 miles away.. > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: > > When I was a youngster I thought almost all radio stations were in > Del > > Rio, Texas. > > > > That was because that was all I could get on my radio at night. I > lived > > in the sticks and had no daytime radio service. > > > > The clear channel stations (Class 1A) today do not consider the 40+ > > states they cover as being in their service area. KFI will not > recognize > > anything outside of the LA market. > > > > Our local 1kW stations can't make it across town at night without > > interference. What a waste! > > > > Anyway -any plan would have to consider the interest of the station > > owners. I'm glad I don't have to make the decisions. > > > > Don > > ----------------------------------- > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:29:49 -0000 "Amy Mousie" > > writes: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "spt87a" > wrote: > > > > -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Brian Robbins > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ... Analog AM today is now a "giant interference fest > > > free-for-all" > > > > with no regard for guard band spacing like with FM or power > > > control > > > > to stay within your own market. > > > > > > > > > Mainly because of the 50 KWs who overpower the nation. Do we > > > really > > > > need stations that cover 40 states anymore? > > > > > > Yes, yes we do. But not as many as we do have. > > > > > > > Interesting points. I take the reverse view of station > allocation > > > > > > > on the AM band. Get rid of the low power stations and keep > the > > > > regional and clear channel stations. Getting rid of the high > > > power > > > > clear channels only serves to sabotage the most successful > > > stations > > > > on the band. Many of these stations are the highest rated, > top > > > > > > =snip= > > > > > > I personally prefer a variation on the Australian broadcast plan- > - > > > Ian knows exactly what I mean, here. :) > > > > > > Only the original "clear channel"-designated stations should be > > > 50kW, > > > much as was planned in the 1930s for civil defense purposes. No > > > fewer > > > than 12 stations in the contiguous US with the specific intent > to > > > serve such large portions. > > > > > > A second level with no more than 10kW should allow coverage of > major > > > > > > metropolitan regions. This part is the variatiuon from the > > > Australian > > > plan. > > > > > > The third level, which is essentially the second level in > Australia, > > > > > > is for all other broadcasters-- No more than 5kW. > > > > > > Reducing, not eliminating, the 50kW broadcasters will do far, > far > > > more to save AM's usability as a medium, instead of the FCC's > > > present > > > system of upping everybody to 50kW to overcome everybody else's > 50kW > > > > > > signal. This certainly is the biggest mistake ever to hit > mediumwave > > > > > > broadcasting in North America, and it does need rectifying. > > > > > > And if you don't think 5kW is enough for everybody, ask Ian > about > > > how > > > good AM covers in Australia. :) Only Australia's public > broadcaster, > > > > > > ABC, can broadcast to 50kW; all others, just a mere 5, and > Michael > > > in > > > NZ is DXing the Aussies 1000 miles away. :) > > > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 13:45:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90676 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 20:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2003 20:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 20:45:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2003 20:45:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:45:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: i1197 AM live stream is still running 24/7 - Ogg Vorbis Format Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1008 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" > > wrote: > > > > > > http://xstream1.com:8610/i1197.ogg.m3u > > > > I -DARE- any FM to sound this crisp and clean, even if the music is > > not to your liking. :) > > I'm not sure what you are getting at here? For some reason most FM > stations don't want to sound "crisp and clean", but FM's potential is > so far superior to AM, that any FM station that wanted to could make > even the best AM station sound muddy and distorted by comparison, and > at one time most did. > > John I think the reason is that FM stations want more coverage. I think if they want coverage, they should go to AM, where good coverage in my book dictates up to 200-300 mile daytime coverage (100-150 miles with a listenable signal), and 750 to 1,000 mile (or more) nighttime coverage. From amstereo@optushome.com.au Thu Sep 18 17:39:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85254 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 00:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 00:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 00:39:02 -0000 Received: from djbeast1 (c210-49-44-50.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.44.50]) by mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id h8J0d0729735 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:39:00 +1000 Message-ID: <000f01c37e46$6d0b8d70$2402a8c0@djbeast1> To: Subject: Fw: Re:Assie situation Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:39:03 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "amstereo - matt2" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e ----- Original Message ----- From: "amstereo - matt2" To: Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 2:25 AM Subject: Re:Assie situation > IAN > > 4BC recently was permitted to increase its power to 17kw - the only Oz > > commercial station above 5kw. > Didn't know that, they are still sending out a stereo signal though. > > > Also Brisbane's 4BH is currently only on 1kw. > AT 08:08:02 19th SEPT 2003, 882 4BH will return to the swamp lands and be > running at full allowable power (i'm hoping for a stereo return, but am > doubting it some - SBC (who own 4BC as well as 4BH) activated a stereo line > and the C-Quam card in there new transmitter the day they changed it (~ 1 or > so years ago now) > > > The two Matts ... Has 4BC benefited in any way? > 4BC still go to low power i believe at ~ 5PM you can hear the change over, > it's rather drastic, but it still works. the signal strength, i havn't > noticed a big change if any. > > > > > Is 4BH still using the community station's transmitter after theirs was > > sabotaged? > They will return to the origional swamp grounds today. > > > > From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 18 18:01:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19231 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 01:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 01:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 01:01:51 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c37e4a$208b8500$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030917165631.78979.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rush Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:05:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Nope. S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > Didn't Rush USED to be in stereo? > From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 18 18:05:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33470 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 01:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 01:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 01:05:42 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c37e4a$aee48f40$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: are these specs ok for sensitivity? Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:09:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You'd never fit a decoder inside that thing- it's too small. About the only way to increase the BW is to find the ceramic filter and put a small cap across it. Ebay is often a gamble, but sometimes it pays off. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > AM RADIO > > S/N: 35db > Distortion: 3% > Freq Response: 150Hz - 1.5kHz at 0db (could this possibly be > improved, and maybe add an AM Stereo decoder, say, expand bandwidth > to, say, 40Hz to 8KHz? > Should I keep looking, or if I can get one for around $100 on ebay > would it be a good one? > > From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 18 18:12:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19733 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 01:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 01:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 01:11:57 -0000 Message-ID: <003301c37e4b$90420a80$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:15:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Of course that only works because they don't have the band congestion. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > > And if you don't think 5kW is enough for everybody, ask Ian about how > good AM covers in Australia. :) Only Australia's public broadcaster, > ABC, can broadcast to 50kW; all others, just a mere 5, and Michael in > NZ is DXing the Aussies 1000 miles away. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 18 18:47:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28970 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 01:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 01:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 01:47:14 -0000 Message-ID: <008b01c37e50$7c176fa0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:40:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Now I REALLY like those ideas. I doubt if it would take a whole lot of redesigning to do it, either. Probably just some firmware in the microprocessor could do it. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "spt87a" > > Meanwhile the FCC owes the AM band some compensation for tilting the > scale in favor of FM until it became dominate. Mandate AM stereo > reception on any radio that receives FM stereo (whether it be C-Quam > or IBOC stereo) and require digitally tuned radios to have seamless > tuning between the bands - get rid of the AM/FM button and just make > it so the radio jumps from 1710AM to 87FM and from 108FM to 530AM. > I'll bet this one change alone would give AM share a good boost as > people would end up sampling AM stations by just pushing "scan". From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 18 18:47:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99910 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 01:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 01:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 01:47:17 -0000 Message-ID: <008c01c37e50$7d00e540$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471AC@aubwm206> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:41:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Don't have the manual handy, but IIRC, the power transmformer has a split primary which can be jumpered for 240, so no mods necessary. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trim, Matthew L" > I have managed > to locate a Motorola 1300 CQUAM exciter in the states - one of our list > members is currently testing it for me. Will need to convert it for 240v > operation (or use one of the domestic step down transformers available) > (unless it has a switchable 110/240v supply (possibly may do?) > From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 18 18:47:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76503 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 01:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 01:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 01:47:19 -0000 Message-ID: <008d01c37e50$7de44060$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030918090112.44359.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEP Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:44:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude To your first question, it's likely the 8k is a backup loop. I know I've needed ours a few times since I started at my stations. The 15k line is overkill for an AM but gives better fidelity. To your second question the answer is an unqualified yes, but he/she doesn't have to be a full time employee ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > I saw "15kHz" & "8kHz." > I think we're using 15kHz, but I hope it's not > the 8! Maybe that could be a data line.... > > By the way, do we need a "Chief Operator" > anymore? From stodd@vippn.com Thu Sep 18 18:47:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85121 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 01:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 01:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 01:47:21 -0000 Message-ID: <008e01c37e50$7ecdb600$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} something I would like to see on the market in the US... Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:50:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You're not going to get anything like that for under $40, plus the old TM152 from Rat Shack proved that folks want both bands or it won't sell very well. My suggestion is to keep selectable 10/9kHz tuning, ditch the sensitivity control- just make it very sensitive but immune to overload under all but blanketing signal levels. Chips like the 13022 have automatic bandwidth control which should work OK , but maybe a defeat switch at most. EQ would add a lot to the cost- maybe for a good size ghetto blaster, but not for a pocket portable. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > an AM only walkman for under $40 US retail with the following features > and / or specs: > > AMAX AM Stereo > digital tuning From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 19:19:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41461 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 02:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 02:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 02:19:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2003 02:19:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:19:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: good sample rate to record AMS from SRF-42/tape? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2797 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > While it's a 7.5kHz filter in the SRF-42, you WILL hear the 10kHz > hetrodyne at times. 22kHz sample rate should do fine. 32 even > better. 44 might be more than enough. Depends, also, on how good > your tape deck is, too. :) The SRF-42 uses a 6 kHz ceramic filter, but its audio in "AM ST" mode is contoured to have flat response up to 6.5 kHz (in order to meet the AMAX spec), but it still has decent audio response up to about 9.5 kHz, and then drops off above that point in order to help reduce the 10 kHz carrier whistle (although it's not eliminated completely). I would not use a sampling rate of less than 22.05 kHz -- and even then it might be a limiting factor. Some cheap sound cards use too much high-frequency filtering when recording or playing back at sampling rates below 44.1 kHz. The ESS-688 sound system in my older Toshiba laptop cuts off the audio at about 8 kHz when recording and at about 9.5 kHz when playing back at a 22.05 kHz sampling rate -- even though it should theoretically be flat up to 11 kHz (the Nyquist frequency, which is half the sampling rate). Unless you have limited disk space, or an older/slower computer which can't handle full 16-bit stereo recording at 44.1 kHz, I would always record at 44.1 kHz in order to assure the best possible quality. Then, if you want to make a low-bitrate MP3 file, a good encoder like "LAME" will automatically re-sample the audio down a lower sampling rate. And as for MP3 encoding, there are different types of encoders available, either as stand-alone encoders or as parts of larger audio software packages. "Xing" and "Blade" should be avoided all all costs, as these are the oldest and offer the worst quality, even at high bit-rates. "Fraunhofer" or "FhG" is usually the best for lower bit-rates (96 kbps or less) because it supports Intensity Stereo, although 56 kbps is the lowest I'd go if you want to have any kind of acceptable quality. "LAME" doesn't support Intensity Stereo, so while it will encode stereo audio at low bit-rates, it will provide a lower bandwidth than Fraunhofer (for example, LAME at 64 kbps Stereo only provides about 8 kHz audio, while Fraunhofer at 64 kbps will give you 10 kHz audio). However, at 128 kbps and up, LAME is really the best, and is highly popular for good-quality music encoding. And at all bit-rates, Ogg Vorbis (.OGG) is becoming a superior alternative to MP3, although availability is still quite limited. But it will provide suprisingly good Stereo quality down to about 60-64 kbps and good Mono quality down to 30-32 kbps or so. (It is a Variable Bit-Rate system so it won't have fixed bit-rates like most MP3 files.) At 120-130 kbps, Ogg is perfect for true hi-fi AM Stereo encoding with virtually no quality loss. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 19:27:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94570 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 02:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 02:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 02:27:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2003 02:27:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:26:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008e01c37e50$7ecdb600$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1705 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key hmm... how about $75? or even in a table-top unit with built-in but detachable speakers? I suppose you could put an FM section but design it so that it makes a Sony SRF-42's FM section look like a good home tuner with a good antenna on a broadcast-height mast. Sensitivity - make it super sensitive, so that maybe in places you might faintly get 2 stations at the same time during the day (mostly graveyard channels). 2 bandwidth selectors would have 2 purposes: one allowing very high fidelity, another allowing moderate fidelity with reception of weak stations adjacent to strong ones. doesn't need an EQ. was just a passing suggestion. Also, I'd want the bass response to go low enough to accurately reproduce the lowest notes found on http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/pianotone/bosendorferbass2.mp3 (some of which go as low as 16 Hz.) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > You're not going to get anything like that for under $40, plus the old TM152 > from Rat Shack proved that folks want both bands or it won't sell very well. > My suggestion is to keep selectable 10/9kHz tuning, ditch the sensitivity > control- just make it very sensitive but immune to overload under all but > blanketing signal levels. Chips like the 13022 have automatic bandwidth > control which should work OK , but maybe a defeat switch at most. EQ would > add a lot to the cost- maybe for a good size ghetto blaster, but not for a > pocket portable. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > > an AM only walkman for under $40 US retail with the following features > > and / or specs: > > > > AMAX AM Stereo > > digital tuning From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 19:33:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69410 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 02:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 02:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 02:33:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2003 02:33:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:33:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: good sample rate to record AMS from SRF-42/tape? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1884 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > > wrote: > > > Ok... I recorded 1110 KDIS in the middle of the night from my SRF-42 > > > to a tape. There was some signal fading, but... I was wondering > > what > > > would be a good sampling rate to record from the tape onto the > > > computer with? Considering that the SRF-42 has probably a 6.5 to > > > 7.5KHz response, I was wondering if a 16KHz sample rate (8KHz > > > response) would be good, or should I go with a 22KHz sample (11KHz > > > response)? Or, what other option might be good? > > > > While it's a 7.5kHz filter in the SRF-42, you WILL hear the 10kHz > > hetrodyne at times. 22kHz sample rate should do fine. 32 even better. > > 44 might be more than enough. Depends, also, on how good your tape > > deck is, too. :) > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > I am hearing the 10Khz. Should I sample it at 16KHz? or should I use > a -96db 20Hz wide notch filter at 10KHz? (I was going to try sampling > it at 22KHz btw) I'm in the process of uploading a 30MB aircheck of KDIS to the uploads folder on the amstereo ftp site. I did 32kHz sample rate, 128kbit/sec, stereo. Hope it sounds good (except of course where the signal fades out... btw I used signal fades on many of the song edits) It was recorded toward the middle of the night. KDIS runs 20,000 watts at night and 50,000 watts during the day with different patterns day & night. Should I try recording it maybe an hour or so before sunset (I'm not usually up until a few hours or later after sunrise btw) so I get a good signal (i.e. 50kW with ionosphere doing its thing)? not only is it lower power at night, the null toward me is more severe. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Sep 18 20:35:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44094 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 03:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 03:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 03:35:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2003 03:35:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:35:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: good sample rate to record AMS from SRF-42/tape? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 701 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.157 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > While it's a 7.5kHz filter in the SRF-42, you WILL hear the 10kHz > hetrodyne at times. 22kHz sample rate should do fine. 32 even better. > 44 might be more than enough. Depends, also, on how good your tape > deck is, too. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Both the 4 & 6 element 7.5kHz ceramic filters along with the antenna BW provide <15dB attenuation at 10KHz and is not enough considering that the carrier is at least 6dB above the sideband of single tone modulation and there is a much greater difference for program material. This is why the adjacent carrier is heard at much greater levels that its sidebands. JSG From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 20:42:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16044 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 03:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 03:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41012.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.11) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 03:42:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20030919034229.69930.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.48.8] by web41012.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:42:29 PDT Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPEP To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008d01c37e50$7de44060$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio 1. Thanks for the info about the 15kC./8kC. lines. I wish we COULD go to 15kC.. 2. I have to find out if we have a chief. If not, I guess I'm it. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 20:48:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56700 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 03:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 03:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 03:48:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2003 03:48:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:48:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 376 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > hmm... how about $75? or even in a table-top unit with built-in > but detachable speakers? What you are asking for is a specialized radio with limited mass appeal. Just like the "CCRadio", it is certainly possible to design and manufacture such a radio, but it's going to be expensive. With all the features you desire, I can't see it selling for less than US$150. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 20:58:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17596 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 03:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 03:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 03:58:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2003 03:58:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:58:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: good sample rate to record AMS from SRF-42/tape? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1203 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Both the 4 & 6 element 7.5kHz ceramic filters along with the > antenna BW provide <15dB attenuation at 10KHz and is not enough > considering that the carrier is at least 6dB above the sideband of > single tone modulation and there is a much greater difference for > program material. This is why the adjacent carrier is heard at much > greater levels that its sidebands. The SRF-42 uses a 6 kHz ceramic filter, with additional audio shaping to flatten out the response and accomodate the NRSC emphasis curve. But if the drop-off of response is gradual enough, even a 4.5 kHz filter can let through an annoyingly high amount of the 10 kHz adjacent carrier whistle. Some are "wider" than others, but with my Realistic TM-152, this is the case -- especially at night, the carrier whistle is an annoyance if you don't filter it out. Indeed, to this day I don't know how Sony ever thought it was a good idea to not equip the SRF-A100 with either a whistle filter or any kind of de-emphasis curve. Sure, in wide mode, its bandwidth is fantastic -- but the carrier whistle is a real killer, and even if you turn down the treble, that doesn't compensate for the NRSC curve's mid-range boost. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 06:19:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93767 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 13:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 13:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 13:19:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20030919131919.96547.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:19:19 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MC13024 Data? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Can anybody translate the Japanese to Engish for this old Motorola document? http://merchant.hibbertco.com/fs22/deact/fs13/motorola/ARJ010_REV0.PDF __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 06:30:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68597 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 13:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 13:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 13:30:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20030919133002.53076.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:30:02 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: KABL stereo audio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio john50 wrote: "What makes KABL & WOKY special cases?" "Cable" - KABL in SF, plays decent music, and the engineer there cares about their audio quality so much that he was willing to put his neck on the block to make it sound great. There were some audio samples of KABL received with the 'Omega' Fanfare tuning system, and it was quite spectacular. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Fri Sep 19 09:50:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3032 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 16:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 16:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 16:50:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2003 16:50:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:50:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New IBOC Codec Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1390 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: Another > very challenging song to try would be Pink Floyd's "Money", with the > cash register sound effects going back and forth in the beginning -- > not to mention "Time", when all those bells, gongs, and ticking > clocks! (Heh... in my college dorm I used to love to cue up that > part on my turntable and play it at full blast at 3:00 AM!) > > In general, I think the new IBOC codec is going to have the most > trouble with "non-musical, non-voice" sounds -- in fact, I wonder how > it even handles the sound of applause and cheering, as in a live > recording... I'll be doing more playing, and will try a live Broadway cast recording with applause and such. I'll try "Time", too, but I won't blast it down the street at 3AM. The neighbors might try to get even, and we're all a bunch of jokers, so you know that means trouble! ;-) > > Oh, and if you want to talk about digital aliasing, how about those > GM OnStar commercials with the recordings of the assistance calls? > I can't begin to imagine what they're doing to produce such awful > heavily-aliased sound. "Hello, OnStar!" "Yeah....I locked my kid in the car and need to get her out" "Well, I'm sorry ma'am, but I see that you're behind payments with your account. If you could just whip out a Mastercard........" TR From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 09:57:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29624 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 16:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 16:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 16:57:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2003 16:57:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:57:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MC13024 Data? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030919131919.96547.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 441 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.215 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Can anybody translate the Japanese to Engish for this old Motorola document? > > http://merchant.hibbertco.com/fs22/deact/fs13/motorola/ARJ010_REV0.PDF Seems a bit, but not much, different from http://www.amstereo.audio- stream.net/amstereo/files/technical/chips/MC13024.pdf (cut&paste as needed), the english documentation for the '024. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 14:18:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33336 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 21:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 21:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 21:18:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2003 21:18:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:18:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Isabel blows out WPAT's IBOC(?) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 919 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here in New Jersey, aside from moderately strong wind gusts and a bit of rain, we didn't see much effect from Hurricane Isabel yesterday and today -- however, I did notice that 930 WPAT is no longer broadcasting an IBOC signal. Although unfortunately they haven't returned to transmitting in AM Stereo, WPAT is at least broadcating a full-bandwidth analog mono signal, allowing me to recieve the hi-fi Stereo sound of Philly's 950 WPEN with no annoying hiss in the background. It also seems that 1230 WEEX in Easton, PA (one of the few Class C stations with a directional signal) has been knocked off the air entirely; today I got a surprisingly clear signal from 1230 WFAS in White Plains, NY instead. I wonder how Bob Carter and 560 WGAI are doing down in North Carolina... I heard Elizabeth City (WGAI's hometown) mentioned on the national news so I know they got more than just a slight breeze. :-) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 17:23:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93946 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 00:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 00:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 00:23:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2003 00:23:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:23:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New Expanded Band station in Chicago area Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 732 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It has been reported that a new Expanded Band station, 1690 WHTE in Berwyn, IL, will soon be going on the air, with a non-directional 10,000W daytime / 1000W nighttime signal. This station, owned by Clear Channel, will feature an Adult Standards/Oldies music format, and rumour has it they are trying to obtain the old WCFL call letters. Now, the question is, will this new Chicago-area 1690 kHz station broadcast in AM Stereo, as Expanded Band stations are obligated to by the FCC rules? We shall see... although I don't know if I'll be able to consistently receive them here in NJ, due to the closer presence of 1690 WPTX in Maryland, a CNN Headline News station which is at least putting out the AM Stereo pilot tone. From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 17:44:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 117 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 00:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 00:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 00:44:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2003 00:44:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:44:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New Expanded Band station in Chicago area Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.220 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 "Now, the question is, will this new Chicago-area 1690 kHz station > broadcast in AM Stereo, as Expanded Band stations are obligated to > by the FCC rules?" Ahh i didnt know that at all, is this just next stations? or stations that were already on the Expanded band? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > It has been reported that a new Expanded Band station, 1690 WHTE > in Berwyn, IL, will soon be going on the air, with a non- directional > 10,000W daytime / 1000W nighttime signal. > > This station, owned by Clear Channel, will feature an Adult > Standards/Oldies music format, and rumour has it they are trying to > obtain the old WCFL call letters. > > Now, the question is, will this new Chicago-area 1690 kHz station > broadcast in AM Stereo, as Expanded Band stations are obligated to > by the FCC rules? We shall see... although I don't know if I'll be > able to consistently receive them here in NJ, due to the closer > presence of 1690 WPTX in Maryland, a CNN Headline News station which > is at least putting out the AM Stereo pilot tone. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 17:48:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39952 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 00:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 00:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 00:48:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2003 00:48:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:48:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC x 3 in Miami? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 800 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Radio World reports that Beasley's three AM stations in the Miami, FL area -- 560 WQAM/Miami, 740 WSBR/Boca Raton, and 1470 WWNN/Pompano Beach -- are all broadcasting IBOC signals. Do we have any members in the area that could vouch for the accuracy of this report? I can see them giving IBOC a try on one station, but I think putting it on three stations is jumping the gun a bit, especially since WQAM, WSBR, and WWNN are all talk formats of one variety or another. For a little while this summer, the New York City area also had three AM IBOC stations operating simultaneously -- 710 WOR, 930 WPAT (lic. to Paterson, NJ), and 1480 WZRC... but after only a few weeks, WZRC dumped it and went back to analog mono, and lately now WPAT has also reverted to a conventional analog signal. From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Sep 19 18:28:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61629 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 01:28:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 01:28:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 01:28:47 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030920012844.CIWP3568.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:28:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:28:50 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Expanded Band station in Chicago area Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe expanded band stations are still required to go stereo, and I=20 seriously doubt CC will go IBOC. On Friday, September 19, 2003, at 05:23 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > It has been reported that a new Expanded Band station, 1690 WHTE > in Berwyn, IL, will soon be going on the air, with a non-directional > 10,000W daytime / 1000W nighttime signal. > > This station, owned by Clear Channel, will feature an Adult > Standards/Oldies music format, and rumour has it they are trying to > obtain the old WCFL call letters. > > Now, the question is, will this new Chicago-area 1690 kHz station > broadcast in AM Stereo, as Expanded Band stations are obligated to > by the FCC rules?=A0 We shall see... although I don't know if I'll be > able to consistently receive them here in NJ, due to the closer > presence of 1690 WPTX in Maryland, a CNN Headline News station which > is at least putting out the AM Stereo pilot tone. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Fri Sep 19 18:43:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36827 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 01:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 01:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 01:43:51 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c37f19$317ea840$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:47:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It wouldn't have to have a spectacular FM section, but for those who divide their time between AM and FM you'd want something at least adequate- more than just a mixer feeding the detector stage. As for the super low stuff, no can do- the pilot tone is 25Hz and pretty much everything below 40Hz is rolled off so as not to interfere with pilot detection. Most AM and FM transmitters can't handle them anyway. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > I suppose you could put an FM section but design it so that it makes a > Sony SRF-42's FM section look like a good home tuner with a good > antenna on a broadcast-height mast. > > Also, I'd want the bass response to go low enough to accurately > reproduce the lowest notes found on > http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/pianotone/bosendorferbass2.mp3 (some of > which go as low as 16 Hz.) > From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 18:57:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70836 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 01:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 01:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 01:57:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2003 01:57:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:57:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c37f19$317ea840$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1122 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > It wouldn't have to have a spectacular FM section, but for those who divide > their time between AM and FM you'd want something at least adequate- more > than just a mixer feeding the detector stage. > > As for the super low stuff, no can do- the pilot tone is 25Hz and pretty > much everything below 40Hz is rolled off so as not to interfere with pilot > detection. Most AM and FM transmitters can't handle them anyway. > > ST What about going down to 27 or 27.5 Hz with a brick wall filter? Or, could the pilot tone be transposed down to 4 Hz? ;) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > I suppose you could put an FM section but design it so that it makes a > > Sony SRF-42's FM section look like a good home tuner with a good > > antenna on a broadcast-height mast. > > > > > Also, I'd want the bass response to go low enough to accurately > > reproduce the lowest notes found on > > http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/pianotone/bosendorferbass2.mp3 (some of > > which go as low as 16 Hz.) > > From stodd@vippn.com Fri Sep 19 19:04:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98457 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 02:04:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 02:04:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 02:04:14 -0000 Message-ID: <003701c37f1c$09c93920$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Expanded Band station in Chicago area Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:03:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It'll be close enough to me that I should be able to give you a report. Problem is, I don't have EB on my car radio, and it's been weeks since the stereo in the living room has been fired up. I usually just don't have time, and the wife and kids monopolize much of what little I have. I doubt they'll get the WCFL call letters unless they pay a hefty price as there's an FM in Morris, IL with those calls. Speaking of car radios, I need a refresher course. I'm driving a 93 Escort wagon with the rectangular style radio. What would have both EB and AMS which would fit? Seems to me that radios with B165 in the part number had AMS, but was that all of them or just some of them? Did only the premium radios have it? I'd be willing to do the conversion if there's a model that has the decoder minus a few parts. The ID tag is missing off mine, but I know it's the B132 series with the two sets of vertically oriented connectors. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > It has been reported that a new Expanded Band station, 1690 WHTE > in Berwyn, IL, will soon be going on the air, with a non-directional > 10,000W daytime / 1000W nighttime signal. > > This station, owned by Clear Channel, will feature an Adult > Standards/Oldies music format, and rumour has it they are trying to > obtain the old WCFL call letters. > > Now, the question is, will this new Chicago-area 1690 kHz station > broadcast in AM Stereo, as Expanded Band stations are obligated to > by the FCC rules? From stodd@vippn.com Fri Sep 19 19:04:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80434 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 02:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 02:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 02:04:16 -0000 Message-ID: <003801c37f1c$0abd5d20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New Expanded Band station in Chicago area Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:07:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude For the umpteenth time, stereo is NOT required, but extra credit is given to applicants who promise to use it vs. those who wouldn't in deciding who gets the license (applies to MX apps only, of course.) This applies to the EB only. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "amradiorocks2003" > Ahh i didnt know that at all, is this just next stations? or > stations that were already on the Expanded band? > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > Now, the question is, will this new Chicago-area 1690 kHz station > > broadcast in AM Stereo, as Expanded Band stations are obligated to > > by the FCC rules? From stodd@vippn.com Fri Sep 19 19:13:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13196 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 02:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 02:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 02:13:02 -0000 Message-ID: <004201c37f1d$4573c520$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:16:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Pilot tone is fixed by FCC regulations. A pilot tone much lower than 25Hz would false even worse than the current one since it can be caused by inter-carrier beat (two stations on the same channel but a few Hz off from each other.) I don't know how steep you can design a high-pass filter for that region of the audio spectrum, but suffice it to say the low freqs. would trip the breakers on even the more modern AM transmitters. On the old plate modulated rigs, the limiting factor was the modulation choke, and 40Hz was about as low as most of them would go. I remember one night at KSTP when my fellow engineer, Ray Brown, fired up the old RCA BTA 50G Ampliphase transmitter into the dummy load and modulated it with 25Hz. We never modulated it more than 30%, because by that time there was SERIOUS flickering in the building lights. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > What about going down to 27 or 27.5 Hz with a brick wall filter? Or, > could the pilot tone be transposed down to 4 Hz? ;) From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 19:13:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20035 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 02:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 02:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 02:13:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2003 02:13:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 02:13:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: KDIS aircheck Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 747 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/KDIS-fromElCajonCA.mp3 30MB... some signal fading, also some adjacent/20KHz channel interference during weak signal conditions. Was recorded near midnight a couple nights ago. I do have some recorded a little before sunset this afternoon which mostly should have a good signal cause station is 50kW day, 20kW night. (not on that clip, though, or on my computer yet.) I recorded that with an SRF-42 and sampled it at 32KHz. When you guys listen to it, please let me know if you have any suggestions for future aircheck recordings. Please keep in mind, though, that signal strength and adjacent channel (or in some cases co-channel) interference might not always be the way I would like to have them be. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 19:17:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20345 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 02:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 02:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 02:17:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2003 02:17:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 02:17:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004201c37f1d$4573c520$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1594 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key hmm.... Apparently, though, there must be some gradual rolloff, cause I can sometimes hear the bottom A on a piano on classical or religious stations. (frequency of that note is around 27 to 27.5 Hz.) Interesting reception note on an existing radio.... I'm getting seemingly cleaner audio from KOA 750 miles away than from KOGO 10 miles away cause there's a nasty whine originating from my computer monitor on AM 600. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Pilot tone is fixed by FCC regulations. A pilot tone much lower than 25Hz > would false even worse than the current one since it can be caused by > inter-carrier beat (two stations on the same channel but a few Hz off from > each other.) I don't know how steep you can design a high-pass filter for > that region of the audio spectrum, but suffice it to say the low freqs. > would trip the breakers on even the more modern AM transmitters. On the old > plate modulated rigs, the limiting factor was the modulation choke, and 40Hz > was about as low as most of them would go. I remember one night at KSTP > when my fellow engineer, Ray Brown, fired up the old RCA BTA 50G Ampliphase > transmitter into the dummy load and modulated it with 25Hz. We never > modulated it more than 30%, because by that time there was SERIOUS > flickering in the building lights. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > > > What about going down to 27 or 27.5 Hz with a brick wall filter? Or, > > could the pilot tone be transposed down to 4 Hz? ;) From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Fri Sep 19 19:19:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70989 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 02:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 02:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 02:19:20 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-012scfairp0492.dialsprint.net ([63.189.177.238] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1A0XLD-0001pG-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:19:20 -0700 Message-ID: <3F6BB935.E7E116FF@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:19:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New Expanded Band station in Chicago area References: <003801c37f1c$0abd5d20$827dfea9@home1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Considering that money (and not public interest) is all that's required to acquire stations, that extra credit is meaningless. Dick W. Scott Todd wrote: > For the umpteenth time, stereo is NOT required, but extra credit is given to > applicants who promise to use it vs. those who wouldn't in deciding who gets > the license (applies to MX apps only, of course.) This applies to the EB > only. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "amradiorocks2003" > > > Ahh i didnt know that at all, is this just next stations? or > > stations that were already on the Expanded band? > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > > > Now, the question is, will this new Chicago-area 1690 kHz station > > > broadcast in AM Stereo, as Expanded Band stations are obligated to > > > by the FCC rules? > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 19:20:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24763 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 02:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 02:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 02:20:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2003 02:20:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 02:20:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: programming conflicts... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 474 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I would like to listen to Colorado Rockies play by play and San Diego Padres play by play at the same time. Is there any radio that will let me do that and mix the volume of the two stations? There's also been other times I've wanted to have radio's equivalent of TV Picture-in-Picture. For example, old-time radio, Clark Howard, baseball game, and Radio Disney - what type of radio would tune those simultaneously assuming they're not all broadcasting on, say, 1340KHz? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 19:24:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49088 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 02:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 02:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 02:24:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2003 02:24:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 02:24:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2254 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key on a sensitivity note, I did a search on 1160KHz from my location on www.radio-locator.com and the closest station to me is KSL in Salt Lake City. Assuming there are no active mexican stations on 1160 closer than Salt Lake City, is there any radio/antenna combination that could bring in a daytime signal from KSL into Southern CA? Also, for night time radio, any suggestions for getting WCBS 880 from New York? (there is a co channel in Lexington, NB that's 50kW with a directional antenna) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > hmm.... Apparently, though, there must be some gradual rolloff, cause > I can sometimes hear the bottom A on a piano on classical or religious > stations. (frequency of that note is around 27 to 27.5 Hz.) > > Interesting reception note on an existing radio.... I'm getting > seemingly cleaner audio from KOA 750 miles away than from KOGO 10 > miles away cause there's a nasty whine originating from my computer > monitor on AM 600. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Pilot tone is fixed by FCC regulations. A pilot tone much lower > than 25Hz > > would false even worse than the current one since it can be caused by > > inter-carrier beat (two stations on the same channel but a few Hz > off from > > each other.) I don't know how steep you can design a high-pass > filter for > > that region of the audio spectrum, but suffice it to say the low freqs. > > would trip the breakers on even the more modern AM transmitters. On > the old > > plate modulated rigs, the limiting factor was the modulation choke, > and 40Hz > > was about as low as most of them would go. I remember one night at KSTP > > when my fellow engineer, Ray Brown, fired up the old RCA BTA 50G > Ampliphase > > transmitter into the dummy load and modulated it with 25Hz. We never > > modulated it more than 30%, because by that time there was SERIOUS > > flickering in the building lights. > > > > ST > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > > > > > > > What about going down to 27 or 27.5 Hz with a brick wall filter? Or, > > > could the pilot tone be transposed down to 4 Hz? ;) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 19:40:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24628 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 02:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 02:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 02:40:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2003 02:40:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 02:40:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New Expanded Band station in Chicago area Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003801c37f1c$0abd5d20$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1778 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > For the umpteenth time, stereo is NOT required, but extra credit is > given to applicants who promise to use it vs. those who wouldn't in > deciding who gets the license (applies to MX apps only, of course.) > This applies to the EB only. That's what I was referring to -- the so-called "Stereo Preference". Starting in the early 1990s, thousands of AM stations across the USA filed their "Petition to move to the Expanded Band" with the FCC. From this list, the FCC chose a select group of stations which would receive Expanded Band allocations, based on various critera such as the "improvement factor" -- a numerical calculation of how much the station's signal would improve, and how much interference in the AM band would be reduced, if the station moved to the Expanded Band and then shut down their original-frequency transmitter. In this process, stations could tack on a "Stereo Preference" to their Expanded Band Petition. As the title suggests, during the E.B. allocation, preference was given to these stations which promised to broadcast in AM Stereo on the Expanded Band. And as you might imagine, all but a handful of stations chose the Stereo Preference. Now that these Expanded Band stations are on the air, the question is, does that Stereo Preference obligate these stations to broadcast in AM Stereo? I asked the FCC about this a while back, and while I did get a direct response, the fellow at the FCC himself wasn't quite sure. He basically said that they don't go around and check who's using AM Stereo and who's not, but if somebody complained about a non-Stereo Expanded Band station to the FCC's Enforcement Bureau, then at least theoretically, the station could be required to begin or resume broadcasting in AM Stereo. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 20:34:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57926 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 03:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 03:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 03:34:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2003 03:34:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 03:34:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1160 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > on a sensitivity note, I did a search on 1160KHz from my location on > www.radio-locator.com and the closest station to me is KSL in Salt > Lake City. Assuming there are no active mexican stations on 1160 > closer than Salt Lake City, is there any radio/antenna combination > that could bring in a daytime signal from KSL into Southern CA? A good AM car radio might do it-- I can easily get KBOI (670, Boise, ID), KEX (1190, Portland, OR), KFI (640 LA, CA), KIRO (710, Seattle, WA), KGO (810, SF, CA), and CBC 1 (690, Cancouver, BC) weakly, but with ease in the daytime on a car radio. My record was some town in Alberta, halfway between Calgary and Edmonton, I just can't remember which. I think I have gotten KSL here in the daytime. I'm in the coastal redwoods near the Oregon border, mind you. > Also, for night time radio, any suggestions for getting WCBS 880 from > New York? (there is a co channel in Lexington, NB that's 50kW with a > directional antenna) Mmm, ahh... No. At least I never have been, even with a Select-A- Tenna. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Fri Sep 19 21:19:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57256 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 04:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 04:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 04:19:43 -0000 Message-ID: <006401c37f2e$f8607500$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 23:23:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Perhaps some gets through on FM, but if it weren't at least somewhat attenuated it would create havoc with the exciter frequency control. On AM the low notes tax the power supply, and the modulation transformer and choke for older transmitters. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > hmm.... Apparently, though, there must be some gradual rolloff, cause > I can sometimes hear the bottom A on a piano on classical or religious > stations. (frequency of that note is around 27 to 27.5 Hz.) > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 23:09:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99761 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 06:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 06:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 06:09:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2003 06:09:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 06:09:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006401c37f2e$f8607500$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 903 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Perhaps some gets through on FM, but if it weren't at least > somewhat attenuated it would create havoc with the exciter > frequency control. On AM the low notes tax the power supply, and > the modulation transformer and choke for older transmitters. I believe the Optimod defaults to a 50 Hz high-pass filter -- but modern audio processing techniques kill off much of the truly low bass frequencies anyway, and instead emphasize the upper harmonics of the bass tones, providing a subjectively "deep" sound without sucking up nearly as much modulation energy. However, there are stories of radio preachers who would say "Put your hand on your radio and feel the power of the Lord!", and then play as strong of a 25 Hz tone as the transmitter could handle. This would cause a typical AM table radio to vibrate noiselessly, so listeners would feel it and send in their $$$ to the preacher. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 02:12:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87206 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 09:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 09:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 09:12:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2003 09:12:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:12:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1644 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Perhaps some gets through on FM, but if it weren't at least > > somewhat attenuated it would create havoc with the exciter > > frequency control. On AM the low notes tax the power supply, and > > the modulation transformer and choke for older transmitters. > > I believe the Optimod defaults to a 50 Hz high-pass filter -- but > modern audio processing techniques kill off much of the truly low > bass frequencies anyway, and instead emphasize the upper harmonics of > the bass tones, providing a subjectively "deep" sound without sucking > up nearly as much modulation energy. > > However, there are stories of radio preachers who would say "Put your > hand on your radio and feel the power of the Lord!", and then play as > strong of a 25 Hz tone as the transmitter could handle. This would > cause a typical AM table radio to vibrate noiselessly, so listeners > would feel it and send in their $$$ to the preacher. LOL!! That would be quite interesting. :) One thing I would like for bass speaker / bass boost circuitry designers to do is go to a piano store that stocks a few concert grands. Go to the Bosendorfer Imperial, and play the notes in the bass section of the piano, preferably the ones that have only one string per note. Listen to the frequency of the notes' vibrations (although sometimes WATCHING the string vibrate might work too), and design the bass boost / bass response so it matches those frequencies, not the frequencies of the notes near the middle of the piano like so many bass boost things I have used are designed... From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Sep 20 08:21:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97963 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 15:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 15:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 15:21:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (d221-osel-phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.234]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h8KFLj782779 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 08:21:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 08:21:18 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 872 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1064043199.695.2842.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: <1560A7C3-EB7E-11D7-94A1-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla We are talking beverage antenna now. This is an antenna at least 1 wavelength long at 1160 kHz [ over 1,000 feet ] and terminated with around 600 ohms at the far end, into a ground rod. I would guess an antenna about 1,500 feet long pointed directly at Salt Lake would get them in. Its a lot easier to listen to their streaming audio on the internet during the day like I do. Kevin Mesa, Arizona On Saturday, September 20, 2003, at 12:33 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > on a sensitivity note, I did a search on 1160KHz from my location on > www.radio-locator.com and the closest station to me is KSL in Salt > Lake City. Assuming there are no active mexican stations on 1160 > closer than Salt Lake City, is there any radio/antenna combination > that could bring in a daytime signal from KSL into Southern CA? From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Sep 20 11:42:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38171 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 18:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 18:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 18:42:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2003 18:42:53 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37053 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 08:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 08:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 08:21:07 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1a6.1a251e97 (30970) for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 04:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a6.1a251e97.2c9d67ec@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 04:21:00 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Sep 2003 18:42:51 -0000 I think it would be best for the U.S. consumer if all radios with digital readouts manufactured for the U.S. marketplace be required to receive shortwave broadcasts, as well as C-QUAM AM Stereo. Eighteen presets for FM radio, twelve presets each AM and the shortwave bands (13, 16, 19, 22, 25, 31, 41, 49, 60 and 90 meter bands). No digital radio for the U.S. marketplace, DRM for the European market only, and L-Band DAB for the Canadian market only. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Sep 20 12:10:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52040 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 19:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 19:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 19:10:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2003 19:10:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:10:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1a6.1a251e97.2c9d67ec@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 759 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.247 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g I think the US consumers might know what is best for themselves, and wouldn't want you telling them what is best for them, especially when it is going to cost them some extra money to fulfill your daydream for you. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > I think it would be best for the U.S. consumer if all radios with > digital readouts manufactured for the U.S. marketplace be required > to receive shortwave broadcasts, as well as C-QUAM AM Stereo. > Eighteen presets for FM radio, twelve presets each AM and the > shortwave bands (13, 16, 19, 22, 25, 31, 41, 49, 60 and 90 meter > bands). No digital radio for the U.S. marketplace, DRM for the > European market only, and L-Band DAB for the Canadian market only. From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Sep 20 12:12:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50329 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 19:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 19:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 19:12:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2003 19:12:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:12:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006401c37f2e$f8607500$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2913 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.247 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Perhaps some gets through on FM, but if it weren't at least somewhat > attenuated it would create havoc with the exciter frequency control. In terms of vintage technology, a 27 kHz note at 100% modulation might, and I emphasize might, create, or have created, "havoc" with the exciter frequency control of some direct FM transmitters, while others would have been just fine. 27 Hz at 100% modulation would have had little effect on the exciter frequency control of one of the old serrasoid modulators, although the distortion would have been horrendous at that frequency. I don't have the specs on the Gates "Cascade" serrasoid modulator, but I would think that should have been capable of handling 27 Hz at full modulation without any problems. Certainly in today's world a digital exciter like the Harris "Digit" should be able to handle this with no distortion or exciter frequency control problems, sort of like water off a duck's back. > On AM the low notes tax the power supply, and the modulation > transformer and choke for older transmitters. Your earlier comment about the BTA-50G causing "SERIOUS flickering in the building lights" when modulated at 25 Hz was interesting. Lights do tend to flicker slightly on 25 Hz power, and I wondered why the flickering should have been any more serious as a result of the 25 Hz transmitter modulation than with 25 Hz power. After thinking about it a while, I realized that on 25 Hz power a light bulb actually flickers 50 times a second, while the effect of the transmitter power supply on the building lights would be an actual 25 Hz flicker, not 50 Hz, so it would be much more obvious, as I think the flicker threshold of the human eye is somewhere just below 50 Hz if I am not mistaken. The difference between the effect of 25 Hz power, and a 25 Hz ripple in the line voltage is interesting. It is interesting to contemplate the situation with a plate modulated transmitter under these conditions, assuming the modulation transformer and reactor are up to the task. The power consumed by the modulator would create 50 Hz ripple, but the final current would have 25 Hz ripple, creating a more complicated situation. A more modern plate modulated transmitter like the MW-50, with a pulse width modulator would probably act pretty much like the BTA-50G, as far as flicker goes. Of course the design of the power supply filters in the different transmitters will also have an effect on the amount of flicker generated. John > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > > hmm.... Apparently, though, there must be some gradual rolloff, cause > > I can sometimes hear the bottom A on a piano on classical or religious > > stations. (frequency of that note is around 27 to 27.5 Hz.) > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 12:30:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42995 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 19:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 19:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 19:30:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2003 19:30:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:30:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 652 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think the US consumers might know what is best for themselves, Yeah... $9.99 K-Mart radios and $39.99 2-head mono VCRs... all the "best" stuff just flies off the shelves, doesn't it? > and wouldn't want you telling them what is best for them, > especially when it is going to cost them some extra money to > fulfill your daydream for you. And yet, TV sets have been mandated to include UHF tuning, caption decoding (for sets 13in. and larger), and now the "V-chip"... and radios have been mandated to include AM Expanded Band tuning -- all features that consumers had virtually no interest in, and still don't, yet are forced to pay for. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 12:44:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69262 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 19:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 19:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 19:44:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20030920194421.56059.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.250.57] by web41206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:44:21 PDT Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Kevin T." wrote: > I think the US consumers might know what is best for themselves, Yeah... $9.99 K-Mart radios and $39.99 2-head mono VCRs... all the "best" stuff just flies off the shelves, doesn't it? It wuld be amazing to get a 2 head VCR in NZ for that price(the cheapest they are here is around near 180 NZ dollars(near 100 US!) but then of course ours are 240volts which we use here and pal c. Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 12:52:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74954 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 19:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 19:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80501.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 19:52:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20030920195235.56964.qmail@web80501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:52:35 PDT Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > > I think the US consumers might know what is best for > themselves, and > wouldn't want you telling them what is best for > them, especially when > it is going to cost them some extra money to fulfill > your daydream for > you. > > John Well Eric's is a pipe dream, but the American consumer has NO CLUE into what good quality is unfortunately. Just cheap CRAP! It's almost impossible to find a decent tuner anymore... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Sep 20 14:35:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5413 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 21:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 21:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 21:35:28 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030920213528.KETL2165.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:35:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:35:26 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5951DF68-EBB2-11D7-BD22-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An interesting opinion, considering your stance on IBOC. As a consumer, I don't want digital since it sounds so bad, but someone else is making that decision for me. On Saturday, September 20, 2003, at 12:10 PM, bta_50g wrote: > > I think the US consumers might know what is best for themselves, and > wouldn't want you telling them what is best for them, especially when > it is going to cost them some extra money to fulfill your daydream for > you. > > John > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > I think it would be best for the U.S. consumer if all radios with > > digital readouts manufactured for the U.S. marketplace be required > > to receive shortwave broadcasts, as well as C-QUAM AM Stereo. > > Eighteen presets for FM radio, twelve presets each AM and the > > shortwave bands (13, 16, 19, 22, 25, 31, 41, 49, 60 and 90 meter > > bands). No digital radio for the U.S. marketplace, DRM for the > > European market only, and L-Band DAB for the Canadian market only. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Sep 20 14:37:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5897 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 21:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 21:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao02.cox.net) (68.6.19.243) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 21:37:18 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030920213718.KFDW2165.fed1mtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:37:18 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:37:16 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030920194421.56059.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <9AC67DC8-EBB2-11D7-BD22-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 4-head hi fi stereo VCRs are $49 around here. $39.99 is way too much for a 2-head mono model. That's what thy were LAST year. On Saturday, September 20, 2003, at 12:44 PM, Michael and Ross wrote: > > > "Kevin T." wrote: > > I think the US consumers might know what is best for themselves, > > Yeah... $9.99 K-Mart radios and $39.99 2-head mono VCRs... all the > "best" stuff just flies off the shelves, doesn't it? > > It wuld be amazing to get a 2 head VCR in NZ for that price(the > cheapest they are here is around near 180 NZ dollars(near 100 US!) but > then of course ours are 240volts which we use here and pal c. > > Michael > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 14:48:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27391 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 21:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 21:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 21:48:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20030920214840.44809.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.250.57] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:48:40 PDT Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9AC67DC8-EBB2-11D7-BD22-0005021D3C76@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Those ones(especially nicam stereo) are above NZ 200 here and often the 300 or more mark(150 US) Probably could get a cheap one off a US site or Ebay but with the horrendous shipping can make it not worthwhile. Michael Richard Wagoner wrote: 4-head hi fi stereo VCRs are $49 around here. $39.99 is way too much for a 2-head mono model. That's what thy were LAST year. On Saturday, September 20, 2003, at 12:44 PM, Michael and Ross wrote: > > > "Kevin T." wrote: > > I think the US consumers might know what is best for themselves, > > Yeah... $9.99 K-Mart radios and $39.99 2-head mono VCRs... all the > "best" stuff just flies off the shelves, doesn't it? > > It wuld be amazing to get a 2 head VCR in NZ for that price(the > cheapest they are here is around near 180 NZ dollars(near 100 US!) but > then of course ours are 240volts which we use here and pal c. > > Michael > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Sep 20 14:54:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23577 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2003 21:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2003 21:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2003 21:54:32 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.124]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:55:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c37fc1$ae8d0900$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9AC67DC8-EBB2-11D7-BD22-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:53:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Wal-Mart had an in-store specail on those combo VCR/DVD players for $98.00 True HiFi stereo VCR, and inside they are built pretty darn well. The achilie's heel of these is the tape loading mechanism. Our company services these, and that is the one weak point- NOT for houses with careless kids that jam tapes in... Most all of these are built by Orion, so you can get an Orion one for 98 bucks, or the Philips for $179.00- same exact insides. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Wagoner From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 20:54:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4861 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 03:54:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 03:54:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 03:54:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2003 03:54:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:54:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1456 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > I think the US consumers might know what is best for themselves, and > wouldn't want you telling them what is best for them, especially when > it is going to cost them some extra money to fulfill your daydream for > you. If the US consumer knew what was best for themselves, they wouldn't buy cheap electronics and appliances. Remember, there once was a day when people regularly bought radios that were worth at least one third that of a car. Today, you are NOT going to find very many willing to do the same, and buy $5000 radios (although the very dedicated and affluent will, though- They routinely do with amps and speakers). (And yes, I do mean that console radios- which I have one- once sold for $150-$300, or typically about 1/3-1/4 the value of a 1930s or 1940s car of the day, which was around $700-$1000 at the time.) People used to buy quality when that was all there was. The day of the transistor radio changed that, as people became enthralled at the notion they could get radios for under $10-- And the industry heard. This is why we have crappy consumer radios, becauyse the industry noticed we weren't concerned about quality, but rather convenience-- Cheap convenience. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Some are looking for the $10 AM stereo radio- I'll take one for $100- - After all, my old A100 only cost me $75 ages ago. :) I miss my old A100. :( ) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 21:04:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21257 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 04:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 04:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 04:04:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2003 04:04:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 04:04:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030920195235.56964.qmail@web80501.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 715 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- bta_50g wrote: > > > > I think the US consumers might know what is best for > > themselves, and > > wouldn't want you telling them what is best for > > them, especially when > > it is going to cost them some extra money to fulfill > > your daydream for > > you. > > > > John > > Well Eric's is a pipe dream, but the American > consumer has NO CLUE into what good quality is > unfortunately. Just cheap CRAP! Absolutely correct! (Hmm, haven't I been saying this??) > It's almost impossible to find a decent tuner > anymore... This is certainly true for the under-$200 market. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 21:06:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21198 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 04:06:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 04:06:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 04:06:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2003 04:06:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 04:06:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030920214840.44809.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 368 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Those ones(especially nicam stereo) are above NZ 200 here and often the 300 or more mark(150 US) > Probably could get a cheap one off a US site or Ebay but with the horrendous shipping can make it not worthwhile. Also, considering we don't have NICAM over here... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 21:45:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57791 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 04:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 04:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 04:45:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2003 04:45:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 04:44:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 903 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key What about the $5 Lennox? It has a pretty good AM section. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > --- bta_50g wrote: > > > > > > I think the US consumers might know what is best for > > > themselves, and > > > wouldn't want you telling them what is best for > > > them, especially when > > > it is going to cost them some extra money to fulfill > > > your daydream for > > > you. > > > > > > John > > > > Well Eric's is a pipe dream, but the American > > consumer has NO CLUE into what good quality is > > unfortunately. Just cheap CRAP! > > Absolutely correct! (Hmm, haven't I been saying this??) > > > It's almost impossible to find a decent tuner > > anymore... > > This is certainly true for the under-$200 market. :( > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 22:41:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67709 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 05:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 05:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 05:41:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2003 05:41:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 05:40:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 410 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > What about the $5 Lennox? It has a pretty good AM section. I think it could be said that that's the exception, not the rule. (And AMS chips cost aboutr a third that, so considering manufacturer/distributor/retailer costs, a $5 AMS radio would be impossible to buy commercially, but not to make.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Sep 21 00:03:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94099 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 07:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 07:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 07:03:40 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.214]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:04:54 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c3800e$65048b80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:02:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Indeed the Lennox has a good front end- many on this list already know I designed a radio around this front end, that has both am stereo and fm stereo. I even have the circuit boards all made for them. Due to the lack of a case for them, and the money it would cost to have a case made for them, they will probably never become a reality. Bear in mind that these were wide band radios- so they were best suited for local reception. To keep cost at a minimum, and keep them nearly pocket sized, the original ferrite was retained. If anyone knows of a place that makes custom plastic cases, and can do them inexpensively, the project could possibly go on. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key To: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:44 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... > What about the $5 Lennox? It has a pretty good AM section. From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Sep 21 00:42:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76220 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 07:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 07:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 07:42:20 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.214]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:43:35 -0400 Message-ID: <006001c38013$cc87ed60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Hey Ian in Oz! Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:41:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Ian- If you are online, shoot me off an email- I have something to talk to you about- Chris From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 02:14:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85922 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 09:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 09:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80508.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 09:14:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20030921091410.10933.qmail@web80508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 02:14:10 PDT Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 02:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: >> > It's almost impossible to find a decent tuner > > anymore... > This is certainly true for the under-$200 market. :( > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ The specs of new stuff just doesn't make it. Unless you spend $1000.....IF you can find it. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 02:23:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23200 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 09:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 09:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 09:23:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2003 09:23:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:23:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030921091410.10933.qmail@web80508.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 544 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > > III W4OPW" > > wrote: > >> > It's almost impossible to find a decent tuner > > > anymore... > > > This is certainly true for the under-$200 market. :( > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > The specs of new stuff just doesn't make it. Unless > you spend $1000.....IF you can find it. Or more, if you go for Marv's tuner..... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 03:34:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80309 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 10:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 10:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80505.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 10:34:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20030921103437.50848.qmail@web80505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:34:37 PDT Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: >> > The specs of new stuff just doesn't make it. > Unless > > you spend $1000.....IF you can find it. > > Or more, if you go for Marv's tuner..... :) > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ HAH! I might sometimes LOOK like Santa, but I need someone to give ME one.... ]:) Powell @ WKDK ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Sep 21 06:13:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14001 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 13:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 13:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 13:13:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2003 13:13:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:13:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Plastic Cases Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c3800e$65048b80$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 588 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 220.240.128.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Chris, I came across this company in New York that makes nice translucent blue, clear, red cases. http://www.hammondmfg.com/dwg2c.htm They are between $4-6 each - I know they aren't custom made but they look like they would fit the radio components nicely and it would be easy enough perhaps to take some of the plastic off the lennox radio and integrate it perhaps by cutting holes in strategic places? Something to consider anyway - I agree it is probably not possible to get custom cases for a decent price but these off the shelf boxes are very nice! Cheers, Matt From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Sep 21 09:24:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96173 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 16:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 16:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 16:24:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:24:39 -0700 Received: from 172.172.231.59 by bay7-dav32.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:24:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <1a6.1a251e97.2c9d67ec@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:21:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2003 16:24:39.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAD89740:01C3805C] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.172.231.59] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > I think it would be best for the U.S. consumer if all radios with digital readouts manufactured for the U.S. marketplace be required to receive shortwave broadcasts, The average American consumer is too stupid to use a Shortwave radio. John Q. Public wants to have the same radio station with the same format on the same dial position 24/7. That is why block format radio stations always die here, and Daytime only Class D AMs are all hurting. The Class Ds that are doing decent are the one who have the same format as the station you hear at night. WASC 1530 does good with their R&B-Oldies format because as soon as they go off of the air, you can hear WSAI 1530 with Oldies. > >No digital radio for the U.S. marketplace, Honestly, XM radio is the best way to put International Shortwave broadcasters to American ears. Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 09:52:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63714 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 16:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 16:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 16:52:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2003 16:52:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:52:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030921103437.50848.qmail@web80505.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 769 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.109.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > > III W4OPW" > > wrote: > >> > The specs of new stuff just doesn't make it. > > Unless > > > you spend $1000.....IF you can find it. > > > > Or more, if you go for Marv's tuner..... :) > > HAH! I might sometimes LOOK like Santa, but I need > someone to give ME one.... ]:) Powell, I know the feeling all too well. :P That's why I said I would be happy with something under the $200 range- ideally, under $100. (At least the three Sony portables at AudioCubes are $100 and under. :) ) Then there are Chris Cuff's hand-made radios to consider. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 10:22:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41295 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 17:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 17:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80513.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 17:22:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20030921172225.68703.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80513.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:22:25 PDT Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: something I would like to see on the market in the US... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: >> Powell, I know the feeling all too well. :P That's > why I said I would > be happy with something under the $200 range- > ideally, under $100. That's called lucking out on Ebay. > (At least the three Sony portables at AudioCubes are > $100 and > under. :) ) Then there are Chris Cuff's hand-made > radios to consider. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Well for super sound the Hallicrafters SX-62A I have does but it's around 60+ pounds. And it takes GREAT effort to go from one end of the dial to the other....BIIIG dial...the whole front of the radio. There's the Denon that has RDS with the FM stereo, no AM stereo [TU 1500RD] and it runs between $325 to $375 !!! But I did bid on a MCS tuner....like it will go for a reasonable amount.... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From pd@96wnjo.com Sun Sep 21 12:57:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pd@96wnjo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43707 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 19:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 19:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 19:57:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2003 19:57:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:57:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Quality of radios... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 397 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wnjo960" X-Originating-IP: 67.83.121.197 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159836599 X-Yahoo-Profile: wnjo960 I figured I'd put my 2 cents on this topic. First of all, the quality of electronics across the board had decreased. Most headsets suck (horrible selection and sensitivity). But we americans like stuff cheap, even if it isnt that good(like McDonlads vs. Vincents). I would love for the FCC to legeslate standards for electronics, that way I dont have to have a car radio hooked up in my room! From dougharding@mindspring.com Sun Sep 21 14:35:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99685 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 21:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 21:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 21:35:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2003 21:35:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:35:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WQAM 560 Miami turns on the IBOC frying pan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1553 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 66.32.196.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Hello everyone from Miami. I have been so busy at work I have not had time to visit the forum for a while. YES Kevin I can confirm that WQAM 560 is now broadcasting IBOC. I listened to them on my Fanfare FTA-100 today. You can hear white noise HASH from 540 to 580khz although the loudest NOISE is at 545khz and 575khz. They used to sound like an FM station in wide mode on my Fanfare but now I cannot hear any difference when I switch between narrow and wide. Maybe the Fanfare is detecting the noise and automaticly narrow-banding. There is no noise when on station at 560khz although they now sound muddy and like crap. I would guess they are limiting their audio to around 5khz now. They are a sports station with an excellent signal so why they did this is beyond me. I tried 740 WSBR but their signal is very weak. I cannot confirm if they are IBOC or not. 1470 is not receivable here in Coral Gables/Miami. WKAT our classical 1360 is still mono and putting out an incredible sound. They sound better then most FM stations but they too are planning on frying bacon at some point. I tried to talk them into C-quam but they are commited to IBOC. Once they do I will be switching them off. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Radio World reports that Beasley's three AM stations in the Miami, FL > area -- 560 WQAM/Miami, 740 WSBR/Boca Raton, and 1470 WWNN/Pompano > Beach -- are all broadcasting IBOC signals. Do we have any members > in the area that could vouch for the accuracy of this report? From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 14:42:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19434 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 21:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 21:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 21:42:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20030921214255.47273.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.250.57] by web41206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:42:55 PDT Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WQAM 560 Miami turns on the IBOC frying pan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus I know this isn't an IBOC list but how much are these Iboc radios and are they available and do they look like an "ordinary" radio? Michael --- douglasharding wrote: > Hello everyone from Miami. I have been so busy at > work I have not had > time to visit the forum for a while. > > YES Kevin I can confirm that WQAM 560 is now > broadcasting IBOC. ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From bratina501@msn.com Sun Sep 21 14:46:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82407 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 21:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 21:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 21:46:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2003 21:46:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:46:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New IBOC Codec Samples Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 795 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > simplest way I can describe it is that it sounds like the treble > has > > been put through a cheese grater. > > > You know, I attempted Donna Summer's "Last Dance", and the, well, I > call them "curtain bells" at the beginning sounded like they went > through a shredder. But I've had that issue with some processors, > too. --------------------------------------------------------------------- I actually ran one of your IBOC recordings through a software spectral anylizer and noticed this problem on the recordings from the older codec except it was much worse as a matter of fact, most of the audio above 10 Khz was missing. From stodd@vippn.com Sun Sep 21 15:01:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71928 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 22:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 22:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 22:01:16 -0000 Message-ID: <002b01c3808c$70d3a080$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plastic Cases Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:05:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I suppose it's a possibility, but to politely disagree with you, they still look like generic project boxes despite the colors. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "bofh2k2000" > G'day Chris, > > I came across this company in New York that makes nice translucent > blue, clear, red cases. From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Sep 21 15:07:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76354 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 22:07:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 22:07:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 22:07:10 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.240]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 18:08:26 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01c3808c$9d02f7a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <002b01c3808c$70d3a080$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plastic Cases Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 18:06:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I agree-they are too "prototype" looking but I appreciate any feedback- I would like something like a large pager case- with a bit more modern styling. I do like the see-thru aspect. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 6:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plastic Cases > I suppose it's a possibility, but to politely disagree with you, they still > look like generic project boxes despite the colors. > > Scott Todd > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Sep 21 15:08:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81480 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 22:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 22:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 22:08:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:08:31 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:08:31 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WQAM 560 Miami turns on the IBOC frying pan Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:08:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2003 22:08:31.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4C1F8C0:01C3808C] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Hi Michael, From what I understand, Kenwood was supposed to have IBOC receiver out in August 2003, but with the ongoing problems, I then read where the rollout date for the IBOC receivers was to be October 2003, now it seems like I read somewhere that there has been another delay and it is hoped to have the IBOC receivers available before Christmas 2003.(I'm sure Kevin T or Tom Ray can give the latest info on this) We shall see, I for one sure won't be running out to buy one. I am wondering though, are the IBOC receivers being designed to filter out the sideband hash?? ~~~~~~~~~~~ I can barely pick up 560 WQAM here day and night, but the signal is too weak to generate any hash. I can sometimes pick up the 1470 out of Pompano Beach at night, but again it's too weak to determine if there's any hash, plus they wouldn't be doing IBOC at night. I can never pick up the 740 out of Boca, thanks to ClearChannel's FOX Sports 740 out of Orlando. btw- I can receive 1360 WKAT (Miami Beach) at night fading in and out, but I do like the music and if I were in Miami/Dade or in Hallandale or Hollywood, I would probably be listening to them. I was in Jupiter (not the planet!) in late August and WKAT's daytime signal is semi-listenable during the day. donn, st petersburg,fl ----Original Message Follows---- From: Michael and Ross Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WQAM 560 Miami turns on the IBOC frying pan Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:42:55 -0700 (PDT) I know this isn't an IBOC list but how much are these Iboc radios and are they available and do they look like an "ordinary" radio? Michael --- douglasharding wrote: > Hello everyone from Miami. I have been so busy at > work I have not had > time to visit the forum for a while. > > YES Kevin I can confirm that WQAM 560 is now > broadcasting IBOC. ===== Michael&Ross _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your existing Internet access and enjoy patented spam protection and more. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 15:28:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9519 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 22:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 22:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 22:28:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20030921222848.9038.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.250.57] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:28:48 PDT Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WQAM 560 Miami turns on the IBOC frying pan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Thanks Don for that I am in New Zealand and we dont hear much about digital apart from satellite which they say is coming....but they talked years about that(we have pay tv on satellite however)-We did once have AM Stereo on 1332kHz once upon a time but I can get Melbournes AM Stereo station from here at night at times but last night I couldnt get it as Brisbane was coming in stronger and my SRF A300 is powerful enough to get it and listening on my alfredo lite as well AM Stereo sounds fantastic and FM Stereo used to sound like that here but whether FMS is compressed or whatever FM doesn't sound as good as it used to(stereo separation) apart from it seems to have a greater volume and less static than AM. Michael --- Donn Tillman wrote: > > > Hi Michael, > > From what I understand, Kenwood was supposed to have > IBOC receiver out in > August 2003, but with the ongoing problems, I then > read where the rollout > date for the IBOC receivers was to be October 2003, __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 16:05:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67393 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2003 23:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2003 23:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2003 23:05:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2003 23:05:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:05:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WQAM 560 Miami turns on the IBOC frying pan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030921214255.47273.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 767 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I know this isn't an IBOC list but how much are these > Iboc radios and are they available and do they look > like an "ordinary" radio? No IBOC (a.k.a. "HD Radio") receivers are currently available. A few prototypes have been made for testing and demonstration purposes, but they are not in production and are not for sale. For the past year, Kenwood has been selling car radios marked as "HD Radio-Ready", but these do NOT include the IBOC decoder and therefore are no different than any other normal AM/FM radio except for the label on the front panel. Kenwood will supposedly be introducting IBOC-equipped radios at the Consumer Electronics Show in January 2004, but the question of when they will actually be available in stores is still unanswered. From dav259@csiro.au Sun Sep 21 18:13:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47653 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2003 01:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2003 01:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2003 01:13:05 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h8M1D4H1007127 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:13:04 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:13:04 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hey Ian in Oz! In-Reply-To: <006001c38013$cc87ed60$0101a8c0@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Chris Cuff wrote: > Ian- If you are online, shoot me off an email- I have something to talk to > you about- > Chris Yo Chris - I'm alive and well and basking in the euphoria of our beloved Magpies making the Grand Final next weekend. My e-mail is up the spout. Today I've got Outlook to "wizard" out over 200 spam messages - many looking like they were supposedly from Microsoft. I just hope I haven't deleted too much. I'll get back to you. Hope Johnny's Toledo mudhens are doing as well as the Pies. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 18:44:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37389 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2003 01:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2003 01:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2003 01:44:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20030922014404.60625.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.250.57] by web41203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 18:44:04 PDT Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 18:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hey Ian in Oz! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ian in Oz My emails filled up with those "attachments" too I find the inbox near or over limit and have to delete those and started happening about Friday at least I was listening to thunder sphonics in stereo on the weekend:-) Michael Ian Davidson wrote: On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Chris Cuff wrote: > Ian- If you are online, shoot me off an email- I have something to talk to > you about- > Chris Yo Chris - I'm alive and well and basking in the euphoria of our beloved Magpies making the Grand Final next weekend. My e-mail is up the spout. Today I've got Outlook to "wizard" out over 200 spam messages - many looking like they were supposedly from Microsoft. I just hope I haven't deleted too much. I'll get back to you. Hope Johnny's Toledo mudhens are doing as well as the Pies. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Sep 21 21:23:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12322 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2003 04:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2003 04:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2003 04:23:59 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8M4Nw03024778 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:23:58 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8M4NwP17227 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:23:58 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8M4NwZ17197 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:23:58 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:23:57 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471B2@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Plastic Cases Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:23:48 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Check out the other cases on their website - I'm sure I saw some other cases that looked more like a pager case. I hope there is something suitable there... :) -----Original Message----- From: Chris Cuff [mailto:ccuff@in4web.com] Sent: Monday, 22 September 2003 8:06 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plastic Cases I agree-they are too "prototype" looking but I appreciate any feedback- I would like something like a large pager case- with a bit more modern styling. I do like the see-thru aspect. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 6:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plastic Cases > I suppose it's a possibility, but to politely disagree with you, they still > look like generic project boxes despite the colors. > > Scott Todd > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Sep 21 21:25:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14812 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2003 04:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2003 04:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2003 04:25:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (d130-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.162]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h8M4PV740798 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:25:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:25:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Subject: Mikey Powell in The Drudge Report To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm FCC POWELL SETS STAGE FOR EXIT IN INTERVIEW: 'I HAVE A TIRED FAMILY, TIRED CHILDREN AND A TIRED SPOUSE' Sun Sep 21 2003 17:25:30 ET **Exclusive Sneak Preview** Michael K. Powell, the embattled chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, appears to be setting the stage for an exit with a candid interview pipelined for Monday runs of the NEW YORK TIMES. Newsroom sources tell DRUDGE that Powell has gone on-the-record with NYT's Steve Labaton for a wide-ranging explanation of current affairs. "I have a tired family, tired children and a tired spouse. Candidly, I once said I would be in this job for three years and then leave," Powell explains. "That was three years ago." "I've been called every name in the book by every opponent in the book," he adds. "That's classic Washington. If you can't get past jingoism, you attack the person. I wish the press would focus on more than who's rebuked and who's rebuking and look at what the best alternatives are for the public in terms of policy." Labaton was said to be finalizing the text Sunday evening, for a Business section lead, sources tell DRUDGE. Developing... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Sep 22 04:29:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67907 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2003 11:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2003 11:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.120) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2003 11:29:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 04:29:47 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:29:46 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mikey Powell in The Drudge Report Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:29:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2003 11:29:47.0172 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3E68640:01C380FC] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Thanks Kevin, for the info: I'm don't have much sympathy for the arrogant Mr. Powell. I'm sure his wife and children are tired;.....probably tired of packing and unpacking from all the NAB and other junkets that Mr. Powell just can't resist. As far as his whining about not have any constructive criticism; I'm sure if had bothered to even read any of the public comments, he arrogantly decided to ignore, he would have found some ideas and alternatives to his agenda. Does anyone on this list know if any of the current commissioners other than Mr. Powell, have any leanings toward encourage AM STEREO while the IBOC testing and fine tuning is continuing? The link for the article from Sunday's NY Times is: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/22/business/media/22MIKE.html donn, st petersburg; also tired...........tired of Michael Powell's whining. ----Original Message Follows---- From: kevin Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Mikey Powell in The Drudge Report Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:25:29 -0700 http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm FCC POWELL SETS STAGE FOR EXIT IN INTERVIEW: 'I HAVE A TIRED FAMILY, TIRED CHILDREN AND A TIRED SPOUSE' Sun Sep 21 2003 17:25:30 ET **Exclusive Sneak Preview** Michael K. Powell, the embattled chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, appears to be setting the stage for an exit with a candid interview pipelined for Monday runs of the NEW YORK TIMES. Newsroom sources tell DRUDGE that Powell has gone on-the-record with NYT's Steve Labaton for a wide-ranging explanation of current affairs. "I have a tired family, tired children and a tired spouse. Candidly, I once said I would be in this job for three years and then leave," Powell explains. "That was three years ago." "I've been called every name in the book by every opponent in the book," he adds. "That's classic Washington. If you can't get past jingoism, you attack the person. I wish the press would focus on more than who's rebuked and who's rebuking and look at what the best alternatives are for the public in terms of policy." _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC. Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Sep 22 08:03:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95174 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2003 15:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2003 15:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2003 15:03:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2003 15:03:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:03:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mikey Powell in The Drudge Report Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 347 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "big_h00pla" X-Originating-IP: 209.63.214.245 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" < florida_amstereo@h...> wrote: > > The link for the article from Sunday's NY Times is: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/22/business/media/ 22MIKE.html > Donn, Just post the story because we have to join the NYT to read it and If I join, it means I'm gonna get even more spam. Kevin From mikew@lanl.gov Mon Sep 22 08:18:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikew@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92554 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2003 15:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2003 15:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2003 15:18:15 -0000 Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h8MFIEbk016086 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:18:14 -0600 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h8MFIEo3008496 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:18:14 -0600 Received: from lanl.gov (romulus.lanl.gov [128.165.209.40]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h8MFIDuC020343 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:18:13 -0600 Message-ID: <3F6F12C3.1040704@lanl.gov> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:18:27 -0600 Organization: Otowi Medium Wave DXers Club User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030701 X-Accept-Language: en-us, es, en, zh-cn, af, sq, ar, ar-dz, ar-bh, ar-eg, ar-iq, ar-jo, ar-kw, ar-lb, ar-ly, ar-ma, ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye, hy, ast, eu, be, bs, bg, ca, zh, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, hr, cs, da, nl, nl-be, en-au, en-bz, en-ca, en-ie, en-jm, en-nz, en-ph, en-za, en-tt, en-gb, en-zw, eo, et, fo, fi, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch, gl, ka, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, hu, is, id, in, ga, it, it-ch, ja, ko, ko-kp, ko-kr, lv, lt, mk-mk, ms, no, nb, nn, pl, pt, pt-br, ro, ru, gd, sr, sk, sl, sb, es-ar, es-bo, es-cl, es-co, es-cr, es-do, es-ec, es-sv, es-gt, es-hn, es-mx, es-ni, es-pa, es-py, es-pe, es-pr, es-es, es-uy, es-ve, sv, sv-fi, th, tr, uk, vi, cy, xh, yi, zu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plastic Cases References: <002b01c3808c$70d3a080$827dfea9@home1> In-Reply-To: <002b01c3808c$70d3a080$827dfea9@home1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 From: "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150284724 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6kuy Scott Todd wrote: > I suppose it's a possibility, but to politely disagree with you, they still > look like generic project boxes despite the colors. > And besides.... "IR Red" is just a wee bit redundant, isn't it? :-) -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Sep 22 09:51:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5085 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2003 16:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2003 16:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2003 16:51:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2003 16:51:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:51:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plastic Cases Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F6F12C3.1040704@lanl.gov> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 634 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking The Hammond 1593 series looks promising - and it has a battery door, battery insert area available and belt clip available too. Phil R. PEI Canada --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" wrote: > Scott Todd wrote: > > I suppose it's a possibility, but to politely disagree with you, they still > > look like generic project boxes despite the colors. > > > > And besides.... "IR Red" is just a wee bit redundant, isn't it? :-) > -- > Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O > Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) > My online logbooks are at > http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Sep 22 10:37:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8226 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2003 17:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2003 17:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2003 17:37:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:37:38 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:37:37 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mikey Powell in The Drudge Report Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:37:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2003 17:37:38.0285 (UTC) FILETIME=[374F19D0:01C38130] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "big_h00pla" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mikey Powell in The Drudge Report Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:03:43 -0000 This is a very lenghty article and some may consider it off topic.(I don't!), but since it is so long I won't post it here, but if anyone emails me today or tomorrow, I will forward the article to them. btw- The article as a whole is very sypmathetic to M Powell; I suspect he agreed to do the interview; only if he could set the conditions. No questions were asked, just a blend of a sympathetic, warm fuzzy bio of M Powell and along with his version of how he views this whole fiasco. In one part of the interview he makes a curious statement about being disgruntled about the grassroot support against the FCC's ruling and implies that he really prefers "those fraternity, beer drinking, happy" people, since they are less likely to become involved in the debate. donn st petersburg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Donn, post the story because we have to join the NYT to read it and If I join, it means I'm gonna get even more spam. Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Sep 22 11:02:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63269 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2003 18:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2003 18:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2003 18:02:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:02:03 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:02:03 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mikey Powell in The Drudge Report Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:02:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2003 18:02:03.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0C7A6E0:01C38133] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 poss duplicate post: This is a very lenghty article(the interview with M Powell) and some may consider it off topic.(I don't!), but since it is so long I won't post it here, but if anyone emails me today or tomorrow, I will forward the article to them. btw- The article as a whole is very sypmathetic to M Powell; I suspect he agreed to do the interview; only if he could set the conditions. No questions were asked, just a blend of a sympathetic, warm fuzzy bio of M Powell and along with his version of how he views this whole fiasco. In one part of the interview he makes a curious statement about being disgruntled about the grassroot support against the FCC's ruling and implies that he really prefers "those fraternity, beer drinking, happy" people, since they are less likely to become involved in the debate. donn st petersburg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Donn, post the story because we have to join the NYT to read it and If I join, it means I'm gonna get even more spam. Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 12:19:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82509 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2003 19:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2003 19:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2003 19:19:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20030922191947.52589.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:19:47 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WOR in the news To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Tom & Kerry (for President?) You two had a nice writeup in the September "Pro Audio Review" magazine. It described the technical aspects of the audio chain quite well, but was a bit light on the audio quality of the codec. You are quoted about the current 10KHz audio frequency response allowed now, and taking that up to 15KHz, and some current crap radios going only to 3.5KHz, but not mentioned in the article was the overall audio "quality" of IBOC, nor RF concerns went unmentioned, as did any options to HD/IBOC. BTW, I'll take one of your Audioarts board if you're getting rid of them! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Sep 22 14:53:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80122 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2003 21:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2003 21:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2003 21:53:53 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.96]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:55:11 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c38153$eb79c2c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plastic Cases Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:53:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Better!- but keep looking- I need an internal usable area of 4" X 6" X 1.5" thick. It would need a 4 triple A battery compartment, or 4 AA battery compartment. I did find a place in NJ that will custom design a really slick case, at a initial cost of approx. $1000.00, then about $10.00 a case after that. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: tubesareking To: Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Plastic Cases > The Hammond 1593 series looks promising - and it has a battery door, > battery insert area available and belt clip available too. > > Phil R. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 16:27:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74134 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2003 23:27:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2003 23:27:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2003 23:27:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2003 23:27:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:27:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mikey Powell in The Drudge Report Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2065 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I'm not sorry to see him go. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. :) Maybe under new chairmanship, there might actually be some SANITY in radio & TV broadcasting. It might be too late to save AM stereo as we know it, and the future of IBOC isn't nearly as certain as some would like to think, but if there's hope in ownership diversity, I'm all for it. I only wish more could be done for AM stereo, though. There certainly seems to be a total lack of interest in actually experimenting with AMS, hence I wouldn't put much dependence on technical talk around here (sorry Mr. Moderator). Don't get me wrong- I know a few here that have, and I say "more power to you all", but if you're just here waiting for an AMS radio to hit the shelves, all I can say is "good luck". :( Better to paztronize the few that will actually make and/or convert radios for AMS, or experiment with transmitter circuits, like the Alfredo transmitter. At least then you'd be getting something. :) But for broadcast? Lord, I wish there were more like Neal and MJR, who put their heart & soul into transmitting excellent C-QUAM stereo, for they really don't get appreciated enough for what they do. (And MJR- Michael- I heard your 12MB WAV file of the Faith Hill track- - If you can do THAT with deteriorating equipment, BRAVO! Them's excellent sounds there. :) ) There really needs to be more stations like KEVA and WTTM.....but will there be? Are there anybody who wants to make some AMS noise? Hell, I can think of only ONE who actually experimewnted with shortwave AMS! Is AMS really dead, and we're just here for the wake? Have you done ANYTHING for AM stereo? Someone must think AM stereo is worth it, or there wouldn't be 225 subscribers here, in what's turning out to be one of, if not THE, busiest month on this list. AM stereo is in your hands. You hold its future. Are you ready for shaping the future of AM stereo? Or are you comfortable with the commercial radiomakers making the decision for you? AM stereo works. Work for AM stereo. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 17:00:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65713 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 00:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 00:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 00:00:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 00:00:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:00:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mikey Powell in The Drudge Report Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2647 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 I also wish more could be done. But we are people and it takes alot of us to do anything, if at all. I myself would love to see some of the radiomakers put out some AMS units, but of course the they want to make money with all of the substandard crap ..The AM selection is choped to the bone, sad indeed. Sad to say..but With out Fcc help i think there is little hope for the future of AMS. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > I'm not sorry to see him go. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. :) > > Maybe under new chairmanship, there might actually be some SANITY in > radio & TV broadcasting. > > It might be too late to save AM stereo as we know it, and the future > of IBOC isn't nearly as certain as some would like to think, but if > there's hope in ownership diversity, I'm all for it. > > I only wish more could be done for AM stereo, though. There certainly > seems to be a total lack of interest in actually experimenting with > AMS, hence I wouldn't put much dependence on technical talk around > here (sorry Mr. Moderator). Don't get me wrong- I know a few here > that have, and I say "more power to you all", but if you're just here > waiting for an AMS radio to hit the shelves, all I can say is "good > luck". :( Better to paztronize the few that will actually make and/or > convert radios for AMS, or experiment with transmitter circuits, like > the Alfredo transmitter. At least then you'd be getting something. :) > > But for broadcast? Lord, I wish there were more like Neal and MJR, > who put their heart & soul into transmitting excellent C-QUAM stereo, > for they really don't get appreciated enough for what they do. > > (And MJR- Michael- I heard your 12MB WAV file of the Faith Hill track- > - If you can do THAT with deteriorating equipment, BRAVO! Them's > excellent sounds there. :) ) > > There really needs to be more stations like KEVA and WTTM.....but > will there be? Are there anybody who wants to make some AMS noise? > Hell, I can think of only ONE who actually experimewnted with > shortwave AMS! > > Is AMS really dead, and we're just here for the wake? > > Have you done ANYTHING for AM stereo? > > Someone must think AM stereo is worth it, or there wouldn't be 225 > subscribers here, in what's turning out to be one of, if not THE, > busiest month on this list. > > AM stereo is in your hands. You hold its future. Are you ready for > shaping the future of AM stereo? Or are you comfortable with the > commercial radiomakers making the decision for you? > > AM stereo works. > Work for AM stereo. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Mon Sep 22 17:22:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10049 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 00:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 00:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 00:22:39 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c38169$4d1b74a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030922014404.60625.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hey Ian in Oz! Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:26:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Just don't open those attachments- they're a virus. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Ross" > My emails filled up with those "attachments" too I find the inbox near or over limit and have to delete those and started happening about Friday at least I was listening to thunder sphonics in stereo on the weekend:-) From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 17:34:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84240 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 00:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 00:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 00:34:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20030923003402.83115.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.213] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:34:02 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hey Ian in Oz! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001701c38169$4d1b74a0$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No I havent they are a nuisence as the fill the limit of the email server overnight causing real messages to bounce-if yahoo could do something about it as its only just started happening... Michael Scott Todd wrote: Just don't open those attachments- they're a virus. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Ross" > My emails filled up with those "attachments" too I find the inbox near or over limit and have to delete those and started happening about Friday at least I was listening to thunder sphonics in stereo on the weekend:-) Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 17:36:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39653 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 00:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 00:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 00:36:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20030923003604.91408.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:36:04 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Passing Low Frequencies on AM transmitters To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Scott, Bob, Brad, etc...if your old transmitters can barely pass 40Hz, how can you pass the 25Hz pilot tone for CQuam or 15Hz pilot tone for Kahn? Or is it the virtue of the fact that it's only 3%, and/or it's only on the L-R not L+R and therefore not audible? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Mon Sep 22 17:38:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39781 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 00:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 00:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 00:38:10 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c3816b$7e3cbf60$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mikey Powell in The Drudge Report Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:41:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I have, and none of it has been successful so far. But we know that there are folks who do care, so that's what keeps us all going, I guess. Folks like Neal, and MJR, the station in FL that recently repaired theirs... ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" > Have you done ANYTHING for AM stereo? > > AM stereo is in your hands. You hold its future. Are you ready for > shaping the future of AM stereo? Or are you comfortable with the > commercial radiomakers making the decision for you? From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 17:50:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12758 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 00:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 00:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80507.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 00:50:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20030923005024.92653.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.107] by web80507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:50:24 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WQAM 560 Miami turns on the IBOC frying pan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030921214255.47273.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Michael and Ross wrote: > I know this isn't an IBOC list but how much are > these > Iboc radios and are they available and do they look > like an "ordinary" radio? At this time there are no IBOC radios. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From bjackson@indyradio.com Mon Sep 22 18:52:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9779 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 01:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 01:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 01:52:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 01:52:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:52:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC messages on rec.audio.pro Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1906 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 Saw this on another newsgroup: Gang, The current issue of "Pro Audio Review" is dedicated to "HD Radio." (Half Digital Radio lol!) Although not always called by this name, it's been coming for about 15 years. Now that digital satellite radio is making its initial splash (IT'S THE CONTENT, STUPID), American broadcasters may reluctantly roll out what is basically "mp3 radio." Sorry, but data-compressed digital audio is just not going to be a step up in quality for terrestrial broadcasters, IMNSHO. But that's not even my beef. Frank Foti states that, upstream of the new digital delivery orifice, "Care should be taken to avoid using heavy dynamics processing such as high ratio limiting, clipping of any sort, as well as radical EQ curves...." Oh. So the new HD radio is going to wreak havoc on anything that's heavily compressed. Is that all? Is there some law that I don't know about that compels people to come up with the most useless new products and standards possible? Why wouldn't any new compression algorithm take into account the LIKELY SOURCE MATERIAL - heavily-compressed songs and commercials?!? I spent 13 years in radio and still produce content for the medium. I'm baffled. If the intent is to make everyone smash their Smashalizers, I'll vote for that. Twice. But don't we have about 30 years of highly-compressed back-catalog to somehow now "de-compress" to make it work on this cool new digital radio thingy? Perhaps Mr. Foti is working on an UnProcessor....? The analog AM signal has to be cut to 5kHz (!) to make this work. Yeah, how did we ever live without this? Yours, Dan Popp Colors Audio Dear Dan. In the future, all music will sound like it's being played back on a cellphone in a fringe area, placed inside an operating blender. This is progress! especially since we all now know that lousy sounding FM was inevitable. -- Les Cargill From dac177@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 19:46:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dac177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91172 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 02:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 02:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40809.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.186) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 02:46:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20030923024609.39528.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.81.26.45] by web40809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:46:09 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mikey Powell in The Drudge Report To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003101c3816b$7e3cbf60$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Caroccio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159003839 X-Yahoo-Profile: dac177 --- Scott Todd wrote: > I have, and none of it has been successful so far. > But we know that there > are folks who do care, so that's what keeps us all > going, I guess. Folks > like Neal, and MJR, the station in FL that recently > repaired theirs... > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Mousie" > > > Have you done ANYTHING for AM stereo? > > > > AM stereo is in your hands. You hold its future. > Are you ready for > > shaping the future of AM stereo? Or are you > comfortable with the > > commercial radiomakers making the decision for > you? > > > AM stereo is a great thing, I think. I am opposed to IBOC's system for converting AM stereo into a digital signal... According to their website (IBOC), the processed digital signal WILL have LESS of a audio fidelity range than our existing AM stereo. I say, give me the sometimes occuring static, and platform modulation, as well as fading under freeway bridges, I don't care... They also say that the digital stereo signal will not be used at night... FCC mandation... As far as helping AM Stereo, I enjoy contacting AM radio stations, by mail... phone... and internet, of AM stereo's existance... coaxing them to turn ON their AM Stereo encoders.... mail is addressed to the station, in care of the engeneering dept... KFI AM 640 Los Angeles, has given me alot of problems regarding this issue... but as long as IBOC does not take over the signal format of AM, I will continue to "bug" existing stations.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dac177@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 20:15:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dac177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99883 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 03:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 03:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40812.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.189) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 03:15:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20030923031551.9410.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.81.26.45] by web40812.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:15:51 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Slander of C-QUam To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Caroccio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159003839 X-Yahoo-Profile: dac177 It disgusts me when I search though the am stereo websites, and read about how people complain about how C-QUam is falty, and how other systems would have worked better. These are mainly sites speaking of Kahn ISB... In my opinion, Motorola and their "helpers", whoever they may be, have taken aggressive actions to improve the C-QUam format. AMAX is one of these great "corrections". And SONY, whether or not they did it intentionally, did a justice to ALL AM stations, stereo or mono, when they designed their SRF-42... This radio has the AM Stereo decoder ON AT ALL TIMES, as well as the AMAX circuits.... This giving a clean, rather nice sounding signal to the AM mono stations, not to mention AM Stereo... I have also found that the zero modulation "effect" that some websites are quick to point out (that the loss of the L-R is inevitable), can nearly be avoided by tweeking the 3.6 MHz coil sligtly to the left or right, but maintaining the ability to receive AM Stereo stations. It seems to do something, what I am not sure, to the adjustable gain amp circuit, increasing the signal db as the carrier approaches the zero modulation mark. Has anyone else, that owns on of these SRF-42's found this out, or any other AM Stereo receiver for this matter?? As far as platform modulation is concerned, this could be decreased if more manufactures of AM Stereos would put multi (and I mean more than 2 selections!!!) selection narrow/wide controls on their radios, or even if someone would invent a variable width control for an AM Stereo receiver... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 20:23:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82242 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 03:23:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 03:23:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 03:23:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 03:23:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:23:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Blaupunkt help Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2641 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If anybody has the service manual for, or any expertise regarding, the Blaupunkt Dallas SQM-88 car radio, I would appreciate your help. Thanks to eBay, I just acquired one of these radios, which is a unique stalk-mount design, with the user controls on a small TV-remote-sized unit mounted on a flexible "goose-neck", connected via cable to a separate tuner/amplifier "black box", which installs out-of-sight under or inside the dashboard. There is no built-in cassette or CD, but it has two inputs which can be used for external players. The radio is a pleasure to use, has very good AM & FM reception, and sounds fantastic in wide-band AM Stereo mode... however, there is one small glitch I am experiencing. The radio has an automatic Loudness compensation EQ; rather than a manual "LD" button, the loudness function is always on, below a certain volume threshold. However, I noticed that on the AM band, about 2 minutes after tuning in a station, the Loudness function cancels itself, although the "LD" indicator remains lit. The only way to reactivate it is to either tune to a different station or to switch to FM and then back to AM, which brings back the Loudness EQ -- until the same 2-minute drop-out repeats again. This does not happen on FM, and on AM, it happens regardless of any of the control settings -- volume, bass, treble, wide/narrow, mono/stereo, etc. With a digital display and all-pushbutton controls, obviously this radio relies upon a microprocessor, and it almost seems like a programming glitch is causing this problem. But I think that if I could trace out the relevant portion of the audio pre-amp and rewire the Loudness EQ so that it is always on, that would solve my problem. So, if anybody has a schematic diagram or service manual for the Blaupunkt Dallas SQM-88, or knows where I could get one, please advise! One other curiosity is its ARI function. ARI was the predecessor to today's RDS on FM, and uses the same 57 kHz subcarrier frequency, but in a different manner. I can set the radio to scan the FM dial for ARI signals, and while the ARI indicator does flash while it passes over some FM stations, it doesn't find any legitimate ARI signals to tune in. So, I wonder... are there any FM stations still using ARI? I know that "Z-100" (100.3 WHTZ) in New York City used to transmit it in the late '80s, and even promoted it on the air. But Blaupunkt invented ARI, and they were also the only company which included it in their radios -- so obviously its life-span was rather short, and by the time RDS arrived circa 1993, ARI was officially obsolete. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 20:43:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8254 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 03:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 03:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 03:42:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 03:42:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:42:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Blaupunkt help Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 753 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics BTW, if you'd like to see the eBay auction from whence my Blaupunkt came, including close-up pictures, here it is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3045047769 Neat, huh? Blaupunkt definitely had some highly advanced products in the mid to late '80s. However, I believe all their AM Stereo-equipped models were actually manufactured by Mitusbishi in Japan -- so it's not really the true-blue German-made stuff like they built their reputation on in the '60s and '70s. Oh, and what the pictures don't show is that in wide-bandwidth AM Stereo mode, it has a large "WIDE-ST" indicator on the display, in addition to the double-circle European stereo indicator which shows when a station (AM or FM) is being received in Stereo. From dac177@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 20:43:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dac177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62494 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 03:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 03:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40804.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.181) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 03:43:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20030923034351.73843.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.81.26.45] by web40804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:43:51 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: good sample rate to record AMS from SRF-42/tape? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Caroccio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159003839 X-Yahoo-Profile: dac177 --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > > wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > "pianoplayer88key" > > > wrote: > > > > Ok... I recorded 1110 KDIS in the middle of > the night from my SRF-42 > > > > to a tape. There was some signal fading, > but... I was wondering > > > what > > > > would be a good sampling rate to record from > the tape onto the > > > > computer with? Considering that the SRF-42 > has probably a 6.5 to > > > > 7.5KHz response, I was wondering if a 16KHz > sample rate (8KHz > > > > response) would be good, or should I go with a > 22KHz sample (11KHz > > > > response)? Or, what other option might be > good? > > > > > > While it's a 7.5kHz filter in the SRF-42, you > WILL hear the 10kHz > > > hetrodyne at times. 22kHz sample rate should do > fine. 32 even better. > > > 44 might be more than enough. Depends, also, on > how good your tape > > > deck is, too. :) > > > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > I am hearing the 10Khz. Should I sample it at > 16KHz? or should I use > > a -96db 20Hz wide notch filter at 10KHz? (I was > going to try sampling > > it at 22KHz btw) > > > I'm in the process of uploading a 30MB aircheck of > KDIS to the uploads > folder on the amstereo ftp site. I did 32kHz sample > rate, > 128kbit/sec, stereo. Hope it sounds good (except of > course where the > signal fades out... btw I used signal fades on many > of the song edits) > > It was recorded toward the middle of the night. > KDIS runs 20,000 > watts at night and 50,000 watts during the day with > different patterns > day & night. Should I try recording it maybe an > hour or so before > sunset (I'm not usually up until a few hours or > later after sunrise > btw) so I get a good signal (i.e. 50kW with > ionosphere doing its > thing)? not only is it lower power at night, the > null toward me is > more severe. > > I have found a severe problem with the SRF-42 (in it's unaltered state) when trying to receive local/ semi local stations at or around sunset... it's called multipath reception, which reaks havoc on the stereo nreprodution of this station (1110 KDIS)... yet I live in Fontana... so this may not be true for your area... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From bd6xray@lycos.com Mon Sep 22 21:11:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bd6xray@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3541 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 04:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 04:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 04:11:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 04:11:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 04:11:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Blaupunkt help Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1206 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bd6xray" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83174981 X-Yahoo-Profile: bd6xray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > One other curiosity is its ARI function. ARI was the predecessor to > today's RDS on FM, and uses the same 57 kHz subcarrier frequency, but > in a different manner. I can set the radio to scan the FM dial for > ARI signals, and while the ARI indicator does flash while it passes > over some FM stations, it doesn't find any legitimate ARI signals to > tune in. So, I wonder... are there any FM stations still using ARI? > I know that "Z-100" (100.3 WHTZ) in New York City used to transmit it > in the late '80s, and even promoted it on the air. But Blaupunkt > invented ARI, and they were also the only company which included it > in their radios -- so obviously its life-span was rather short, and > by the time RDS arrived circa 1993, ARI was officially obsolete. One day Blaupunkt called, wondering if they could test the ARI system. I said sure, so they sent some engineers and we installed it. It worked just fine, but some Muzak 67 kHz receivers were picking up birdies from it, so we only had it on for a few days. They sent me an ARI equipped Blaupunkt car radio. Very nice people. Al Hajny From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Sep 22 21:13:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18202 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 04:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 04:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 04:13:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 04:13:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 04:13:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Codec Evaluation Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 79 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.236 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst 64kbps codec evaluation. http://audio.ciara.us/test/64test/results.html JSG From dac177@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 21:32:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dac177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17338 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 04:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 04:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40803.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.180) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 04:32:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20030923043251.14140.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.81.26.45] by web40803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:32:51 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: analog compression/decompression of AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Caroccio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159003839 X-Yahoo-Profile: dac177 Does anyone know of a possible way, as I have been going crazy trying to think of such, to take an AM signal, before the carrier has been added, and divide the signal in two, possibly by using a divide by two counter?, and have the receiver reconstuct the original signal accurately? Whithout adding extra signals to the original carrier instructing the receiver on how to do so??? In my expermentation with AM Stereo receivers, I have found that connecting a general purpose silicon diode across the secondary output of the IF transformer coil, will smoothly nearly double the fidelity. Yet the output signal is just duplicating and "stretching" the original signal. Granted you get a rather nice sound, but it remains untrue in reproduction to the original source signal. Too, you nearly cut the sensitivity of the receiver in half. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dac177@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 21:55:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dac177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86511 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 04:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 04:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40804.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.181) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 04:55:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20030923045505.84325.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.194.183.164] by web40804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:55:05 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: KTKT 990 AM Tucson Arizona To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Caroccio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159003839 X-Yahoo-Profile: dac177 Does anyone know if this station still broadcasts in Stereo? It did in the 80s. I received a letter from them with a rather nice AM STEREO LOGO on the letterhead. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w6yn@juno.com Mon Sep 22 22:08:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1547 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 05:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 05:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 05:08:53 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"E2TLAsu6cLsxdsqKxEkCCeLNFn3LsnL0lvmn/1YEqSw=">; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:08:19 PDT Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m4.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JAQ4MHC4; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:08:19 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:50:46 -0700 Subject: Ford car radios Message-ID: <20030922.220637.2000.3.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,3-6 From: W6YN Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510 X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I have seen several used Ford/Lincoln automobile receivers (about1989) on the junkyard shelves. They usually have defective cassette drives and a button marked "AMS". Does this button relate to AM stereo? Thanks, Don From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 22:29:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91877 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 05:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 05:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 05:29:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 05:29:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 05:29:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ford car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030922.220637.2000.3.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 421 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > I have seen several used Ford/Lincoln automobile receivers (about1989) on > the junkyard shelves. They usually have defective cassette drives and a > button marked "AMS". Does this button relate to AM stereo? "Automatic Music Search"-- A means to fastforward/rewind a tape to a sil.ent point between songs. Sorry. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 22:32:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6971 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 05:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 05:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 05:32:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20030923053209.52736.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.213] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:32:09 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford car radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030922.220637.2000.3.w6yn@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Probably "Automatic Music Search" where the cassette finds the next track We had those in NZ. Michael W6YN Don Milbury wrote: I have seen several used Ford/Lincoln automobile receivers (about1989) on the junkyard shelves. They usually have defective cassette drives and a button marked "AMS". Does this button relate to AM stereo? Thanks, Don Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dac177@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 23:20:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dac177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55263 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 06:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 06:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40802.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.179) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 06:20:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20030923062022.60711.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.194.183.164] by web40802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:20:22 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re:32,44.1,48KHz sampling To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Caroccio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159003839 X-Yahoo-Profile: dac177 After reveiwing my 450+ emails from AMSF, a thought arised regarding people using digital tape decks to record AM Stereo. I am suprised that noone mentioned anything about using the SONY PORTABLE MINI-DISC recorder to do such. Granted you need use atleast 6 foot jumper cable (with stereo mini jacks on both ends), this is to avoid causing interference to the AM Stereo receiver. I have found that this does nicely. According to the manual, the MD (when using the analog input jack) automaticly switches it's sampling rate between 32, 44.1, and 48 KHz, depending on the bandwidth of the input signal. It writes at a rate of 44.1 khz--digital--to the disc. This leaves something "left to be desired", because at the 32KHz sampling rate, anything above 16 KHz (per channel) is nonexistant during playback. David __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Sep 22 23:27:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86403 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 06:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 06:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 06:27:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 06:27:52 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98994 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 05:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 05:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 05:44:31 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.10d.2a02e74e (17526) for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <10d.2a02e74e.2ca137aa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:44:10 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford car radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 23 Sep 2003 06:27:51 -0000 "AMS" also refers to "Automatic Music Search"; which allows you to search for a certain song on a cassette deck. GM cars had the "AM-ST" button, which, when pressed in, decodes C-QUAM AM Stereo. One of my former neighbors in Georgia had a 1989 Cadillac Eldorado with such a receiver. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 23:48:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43916 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 06:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 06:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 06:48:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 06:48:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:48:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:32,44.1,48KHz sampling Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030923062022.60711.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1808 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > According to the manual, the MD (when using the analog input jack) > automaticly switches it's sampling rate between 32, 44.1, and > 48 KHz, depending on the bandwidth of the input signal. Well, not really... when you feed it with a DIGITAL input, such as the digital output of a CD player, DAT deck, etc., it will accept a sampling rate of 32, 44.1, or 48 kHz and automatically convert this into the MiniDisc format's standard 44.1 kHz sampling rate when recording to MD. This really only applies to when you are dubbing from DAT to MD, because DATs are the most flexible of digital recording media -- they can be 12-bit or 16-bit (while CD and MD are always 16-bit), and 32, 44.1, or 48 kHz (while CD and MD are always 44.1 kHz). When recording from an ANALOG input, a MiniDisc machine always records at a 44.1 kHz sampling rate. However, a form of "lossy" data compression is applied, called ATRAC. It's generally much higher quality than MP3, but sometimes you can still hear "artifacts" the results aren't quite perfect. Also, just like any other lossy compression format, it will dynamically filter out "inaudible" high frequencies. When the high treble is just hiss and noise, I've seen MiniDisc's compression cut the bandwidth down to as low as 14 to 15 kHz, but when you feed it treble-intensive audio, it will retain most of the high frequencies up to at least 20 kHz. Also, be sure to turn off the "auto-level" feature when recording, and use the manual level control. At least on my Sony MD recorder, the auto-level is rather lousy, and will react abruptly and very noticeably to any audio with even a little dynamic range. Strange, because I have a cheap cassette recorder with auto-level that acts more smoothly, even when recording from a fairly dynamic CD. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 00:02:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89896 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 07:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 07:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 07:02:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 07:02:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:02:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:32,44.1,48KHz sampling Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030923062022.60711.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1509 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Caroccio wrote: > After reveiwing my 450+ emails from AMSF, a thought > arised regarding people using digital tape decks to > record AM Stereo. I am suprised that noone mentioned > anything about using the SONY PORTABLE MINI-DISC A number of us have, including myself. > recorder to do such. Granted you need use atleast 6 > foot jumper cable (with stereo mini jacks on both > ends), this is to avoid causing interference to the AM > Stereo receiver. I have found that this does nicely. > According to the manual, the MD (when using the analog > input jack) automaticly switches it's sampling rate > between 32, 44.1, and 48 KHz, depending on the > bandwidth of the input signal. It writes at a rate of > 44.1 khz--digital--to the disc. This leaves something > "left to be desired", because at the 32KHz sampling > rate, anything above 16 KHz (per channel) is > nonexistant during playback. For most AM and FM signals, that is more than adequate. However, the 32/44.1/48kHz sample rate only applies to DIRECT DIGITAL SOURCES that are at these sample rates. In analog input, it always samples at 44.1, regardless whether you're using SP, LP2 or LP4 recording speeds. (Audio compression used is ATRAC, the same as later RealOne codecs.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Oh, and if someone could offer to make me one of those RF-isolated patch cords, I would consider repaying for the effort-- I could REALLY use it, since I'll be off on a trip in a month.) From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Sep 23 00:04:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84544 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 07:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 07:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 07:04:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (d12-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.44]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h8N74b795349 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:04:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:04:34 -0700 Subject: KTKT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1064292908.2726.86557.m18@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: <30156BD3-ED94-11D7-BA2B-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Having been to Tucson in the last month with my Sony SRF-A1 and since KTKT is now news talk, I can assure you that there is no more stereo on 990 in Tucson. As a matter of fact the only AM stereo station that can be heard in Tucson is XENY 760 from Nogales. 710 KMIA, 1400 KSUN both SSers playing ranchera and banda are stereo but pilot only. 780 KAZM in Sedona is stereo and real nice. There are no other stereo stations in Arizona to my knowledge. Kevin On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 09:55 PM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 25 > Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:55:05 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Caroccio > Subject: Re: KTKT 990 AM Tucson Arizona > > Does anyone know if this station still broadcasts in > Stereo? It did in the 80s. I received a letter from > them with a rather nice AM STEREO LOGO on the letterhead. > > __________________________________ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 00:05:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95750 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 07:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 07:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 07:05:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 07:05:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:05:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <10d.2a02e74e.2ca137aa@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > "AMS" also refers to "Automatic Music Search"; which allows you to search for > a certain song on a cassette deck. GM cars had the "AM-ST" button, which, > when pressed in, decodes C-QUAM AM Stereo. One of my former neighbors in Georgia > had a 1989 Cadillac Eldorado with such a receiver. Beef of mine, here-- I hate the term "decoder" when applied to AM stereo demodulation circuits, and "decoding" for the act of demodulating AMS. *grr*squeek* Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Sep 23 00:31:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31959 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 07:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 07:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 07:31:46 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.123]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:33:05 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c381a4$a61ddb20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <10d.2a02e74e.2ca137aa@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ford car radios Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:31:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 If you want a real treat, grab one of the 1986-1988 Toyota double DIN radios, with the am stereo button. The cassette part gives up, but the radio part is grand. Cheap to buy, too! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Sep 23 00:36:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18404 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 07:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 07:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 07:36:40 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.123]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:37:59 -0400 Message-ID: <003401c381a5$55656080$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:32,44.1,48KHz sampling Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:35:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I agree- having used every type of source for my little transmitters, I still prefer an old Cassette walkman to feed it, as it does not have the "lisp" on certain frequencies. I use an antique Onkyo 3 head 3 motor cassette deck to make my demo tapes, and it is truly fine. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 00:55:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29013 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 07:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 07:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 07:55:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 07:55:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:55:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ford car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 311 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Beef of mine, here-- I hate the term "decoder" when applied to AM > stereo demodulation circuits, and "decoding" for the act of > demodulating AMS. Blame Mudderola, er... Motorola... I believe they were the ones to first use that term themselves, in reference to their series of C-Quam "decoder" chips. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 01:07:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23231 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 08:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 08:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 08:07:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 08:07:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:07:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ford car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 669 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Beef of mine, here-- I hate the term "decoder" when applied to AM > > stereo demodulation circuits, and "decoding" for the act of > > demodulating AMS. > > Blame Mudderola, er... Motorola... I believe they were the ones to > first use that term themselves, in reference to their series of > C-Quam "decoder" chips. Yes, all the datasheets say "decoder". :P I think others were guilty of this, too, even before Motorola, as I have heard of "FM stereo decoders" and the like. There is no "code" in analog stereo systems to "decode", but they can be demodulated. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 02:04:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76119 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 09:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 09:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 09:04:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 09:04:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:04:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Curious about an oldie Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 607 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Not sure if this is the best place to ask about this, but...if any of you have ever heard Marvin Gaye's early-1970s smash "Mercy Mercy Me" (which, like "What's Going On", is excellent AMS fodder :) ), the ending sounds like an opera singer. OK, fine...except every time I hear it, I can't help feeling that that's actually an early digital sampling, done at the time when Gaye was mixing his album in L.A., at a time when Barry Gordy hired Raymond Scott- THAT Raymond Scott- as head of electronic music research for Motown. I must be nuts- It really sounds like a sampler at work. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Tue Sep 23 03:24:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8825 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 10:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 10:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 10:24:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 10:24:55 -0000 Date: 23 Sep 2003 10:24:54 -0000 Message-ID: <1064312694.1562.97105.w86@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /AM Stereo Letter.doc Uploaded by : dac177 Description : A letter sent to clear channel re: ams You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20Stereo%20Letter.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, dac177 From stodd@vippn.com Tue Sep 23 05:22:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40155 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 12:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 12:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 12:22:02 -0000 Message-ID: <000d01c381cd$dc746440$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030923003604.91408.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Passing Low Frequencies on AM transmitters Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:26:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Easy- the 25Hz component is phase modulated, not amplitude modulated. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." > Scott, Bob, Brad, etc...if your old transmitters can barely pass 40Hz, how can > you pass the 25Hz pilot tone for CQuam or 15Hz pilot tone for Kahn? Or is it > the virtue of the fact that it's only 3%, and/or it's only on the L-R not L+R > and therefore not audible? From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Sep 23 06:58:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64966 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 13:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 13:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 13:58:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 13:58:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:58:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: HD-Radio's new SBR Codec vs HE AAC (NeroDigital) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2383 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 220.240.128.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Hi, I've been listening to the test samples posted by Kerry Richards at WOR - see: http://www.wor710.com/Engineering/iboc/audio_samples.htm I thought I would encode the original CD samples using the latest HE AAC ( SBR codec licensed by www.nerodigital.com & included in the latest Nero 6 Ultra Edition. http://www.nero.com/us/ ) As we are unsure of the bitrate used by the latest revision of the HD- Radio codec, I had a look at the latest Whitepaper from Ibiquity. http://www.ibiquity.com/technology/pdf/Waveforms_AM.pdf It mentions the different service modes available for the IBOC HD- Radio AM system. The two modes of interest are MA1, which I believe is the original Hybrid mode that contains a 36kbps digital audio stream and was used with PAC encoding, and MA2, which contains a 56kbps digital audio stream. Taking into consideration the availability of a higher bitrate of 56kbps in the MA2 service mode, I have encoded the source samples using the HE AAC encoder in the latest Nero 6 at VBR 40-50kbps. This is the closest setting to 56kbps given the absense of a CBR mode of 56kbps, nevertheless it should be close enough for a comparison to be made. I have also included samples recorded at the VBR 30-40kbps mode, to represent what would be possible in the MA1 service mode. To listen to these samples, you will need the MP4 plugin for Winamp 2.9x - click here to download: http://pessoal.onda.com.br/rjamorim/in_mp4.exe The samples: 48k (average) ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/48k/ 36k (average) - for comparison to the old PAC codec ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/36k/ I think you'll agree at 48kbps the HE AAC codec does an excellent job at encoding the source samples - "What's up" was clearly the most difficult sample to encode and at 48kbps bitrate and HE AAC, the "wishy-washy" artifacts on the acoustic guitar are gone! I think it's safe to say that at 48kbps HE AAC, the audio quality has finally reached a level of quality that would satisfy most people and appears to be far above the current HD-Radio codec samples provided on the WOR page listed above. Even at 36k, I think you could argue the quality is better than the current HD-Radio AAC SBR implementation. Now if Ibiquity could license the HE AAC codec, perhaps their HD- Radio on AM would be able to compete with FM broadcast quality. Enjoy, Matt From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 07:08:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69578 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 14:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 14:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 14:08:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20030923140824.20861.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:08:24 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Automatic Variable Bandwidth for AM (stereo) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio David Caroccio wrote: "even if someone would invent a variable width control for an AM Stereo receiver..." Your wish has come true. The 2nd generation Motorola AMS chipset has/had an automatic variable bandwidth control. This was used on the Chrysler Infinity radios with the 5-band EQ and joystick fader, and works great. I believe the Fanfare tuner has similar circuitry. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Sep 23 07:55:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15043 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 14:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 14:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 14:55:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 14:55:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:55:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KTKT 990 AM Tucson Arizona Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030923045505.84325.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 528 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud I was in Tucson over Labor Day and heard no AM Stereo. So I assume not. You might want to write back and ask them about it. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Caroccio wrote: > Does anyone know if this station still broadcasts in > Stereo? It did in the 80s. I received a letter from > them with a rather nice AM STEREO LOGO on the letterhead. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 08:05:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52124 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 15:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 15:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 15:05:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 15:05:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:05:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New 1,000,000-watt AM station in Lituania Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 779 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com..... Lithuania Station Seeks U.S. Partner Radio Baltic Waves International, a Lithuania-based private AM radio station, said it has been awarded with a license for broadcasting on AM 1386 kHz, using a 1,000 kW transmitter. "RBWI is looking for a U.S. partner interested in broadcasting on our high-power AM channel," said Project Coordinator Rimantas Pleikys. "A sky-wave coverage area includes most of Europe and European part of Russia. Currently we operate 100, 150 and 500 kW AM transmitters. RBWI is ready to negotiate on the issue of installation of a new 1000 kW AM transmitter of our partner. The broadcasting is possible in any language, the daily transmitting duration is unlimited." For information, e-mail to riplei@takas.lt. From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Sep 23 08:05:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34709 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 15:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 15:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 15:05:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 15:05:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:05:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:32,44.1,48KHz sampling Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 410 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > (Oh, and if someone could offer to make me one of those RF-isolated > patch cords, I would consider repaying for the effort-- I could > REALLY use it, since I'll be off on a trip in a month.) I want one too!! I want one too!! I never did convince my audio cables to not pass the "shushing" sound of the MD recorder laser into the radio. Not even with a 24 foot cable liberally bedecked with chokes. From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Sep 23 08:10:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76192 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 15:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 15:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 15:10:00 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:09:59 -0600 Message-ID: <004e01c381e4$c06ea870$5401010a@AM> To: Subject: KKOB in stereo??? Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:09:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone help me confirm this? Listening last night from around 9:00 to 10:00pm mountain daylight time, I swear I had a definite pilot on 770 KKOB Albuquerque with separation on ID's and ads. I guess it could have been falsing but it seemed pretty clear to me. Even thought I could hear some great separation on bumper music during the Michael Savage program. I guess it IS possible. KKOB is not ClearChannel. They're actually owned by Citadel. Don't know if they were doing testing or on a different (backup) transmitter last night or something. Mike Westfall....did you notice or can you try today? I don't know if it was a fluke. I see nothing on their web site about it and they certainly didn't say anything on the air about it...but that doesn't mean much. I was thinking about dropping them a line....seeing if maybe one of their engineers would get back to me about it. He could certainly tell me if it's at all possible. I don't know if KKOB was ever stereo at one time. I imagine maybe they were back in the day since they're one of the big original clearchannel (not the corporation) stations from back in those days. Any clues? Michael n Wyoming [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 08:39:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20612 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 15:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 15:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 15:39:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 15:38:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:38:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Curious about an oldie Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1176 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Not sure if this is the best place to ask about this, but...if any > of you have ever heard Marvin Gaye's early-1970s smash "Mercy Mercy > Me" (which, like "What's Going On", is excellent AMS fodder :) ), > the ending sounds like an opera singer. OK, fine...except every time > I hear it, I can't help feeling that that's actually an early > digital sampling, Perhaps it's a tape recording of a steady tone, whose playback speed they varied to create the effect? Or something like a combination of a Theremin and a Moog synthesizer? But there's more than meets the eye, or ear, to a lot of songs. Sam Cooke was apparently bad enough with pitch that his producers decided to vary the tape speed to keep his vocals in tune, and let the music "wander" where it would. In those days, you couldn't hear enough of the band when the singer was singing to worry about whether they were in tune or not. Also, on LeAnn Rimes' cover version of "You Light Up My Life", I noticed that the strings are completely fake -- it sounds like a single sample, repeated and stepped between notes, just like people were doing with MOD files on their Amiga computers 15 years ago. From dougharding@mindspring.com Tue Sep 23 08:56:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48508 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 15:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 15:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 15:56:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 15:56:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:56:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WSBR 740khz Boca Raton NOT broadcasting IBOC yet. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 451 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Checked it out in the car yesterday. They currently are NOT frying bacon but that could change. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Radio World reports that Beasley's three AM stations in the Miami, FL > area -- 560 WQAM/Miami, 740 WSBR/Boca Raton, and 1470 WWNN/Pompano > Beach -- are all broadcasting IBOC signals. Do we have any members > in the area that could vouch for the accuracy of this report? From mikew@lanl.gov Tue Sep 23 09:15:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikew@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85227 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 16:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 16:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 16:14:59 -0000 Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h8NGEwbk020488 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:14:58 -0600 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h8NGEwDl023252 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:14:58 -0600 Received: from lanl.gov (romulus.lanl.gov [128.165.209.40]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h8NGEvuC000759 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:14:58 -0600 Message-ID: <3F707191.7030201@lanl.gov> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:15:13 -0600 Organization: Otowi Medium Wave DXers Club User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030701 X-Accept-Language: en-us, es, en, zh-cn, af, sq, ar, ar-dz, ar-bh, ar-eg, ar-iq, ar-jo, ar-kw, ar-lb, ar-ly, ar-ma, ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye, hy, ast, eu, be, bs, bg, ca, zh, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, hr, cs, da, nl, nl-be, en-au, en-bz, en-ca, en-ie, en-jm, en-nz, en-ph, en-za, en-tt, en-gb, en-zw, eo, et, fo, fi, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch, gl, ka, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, hu, is, id, in, ga, it, it-ch, ja, ko, ko-kp, ko-kr, lv, lt, mk-mk, ms, no, nb, nn, pl, pt, pt-br, ro, ru, gd, sr, sk, sl, sb, es-ar, es-bo, es-cl, es-co, es-cr, es-do, es-ec, es-sv, es-gt, es-hn, es-mx, es-ni, es-pa, es-py, es-pe, es-pr, es-es, es-uy, es-ve, sv, sv-fi, th, tr, uk, vi, cy, xh, yi, zu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? References: <004e01c381e4$c06ea870$5401010a@AM> In-Reply-To: <004e01c381e4$c06ea870$5401010a@AM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 From: "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150284724 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6kuy Michael J. Richard wrote: > Mike Westfall....did you notice or can you try today? Sorry, I don't have any AMS capable radios... I dream about owning one, though... -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Sep 23 09:18:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7208 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 16:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 16:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 16:18:24 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:18:24 -0600 Message-ID: <006801c381ee$50381c80$5401010a@AM> To: References: <004e01c381e4$c06ea870$5401010a@AM> <3F707191.7030201@lanl.gov> Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:18:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DOH! I'm sorry Mike. I thought since you were on the AM Stereo forum, that you might have one. Get yerself a nice little Sony SRF-42 walkman. You will love it! Or go down to the junkyard and do a little pickin and pullin and grab a Delco UX-1 type. That's the most awesome-sounding AM stereo I've ever heard. Pretty easy to find and recognize. I know......it's finding the TIME to do all of these things :) Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:15 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? Michael J. Richard wrote: > Mike Westfall....did you notice or can you try today? Sorry, I don't have any AMS capable radios... I dream about owning one, though... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mikew@lanl.gov Tue Sep 23 09:28:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikew@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27195 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 16:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 16:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 16:28:21 -0000 Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h8NGSKbk023626 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:28:20 -0600 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h8NGSKo3027329 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:28:20 -0600 Received: from lanl.gov (romulus.lanl.gov [128.165.209.40]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.9/8.12.9/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h8NGSJuC004234 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:28:20 -0600 Message-ID: <3F7074B3.1000807@lanl.gov> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:28:35 -0600 Organization: Otowi Medium Wave DXers Club User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030701 X-Accept-Language: en-us, es, en, zh-cn, af, sq, ar, ar-dz, ar-bh, ar-eg, ar-iq, ar-jo, ar-kw, ar-lb, ar-ly, ar-ma, ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye, hy, ast, eu, be, bs, bg, ca, zh, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, hr, cs, da, nl, nl-be, en-au, en-bz, en-ca, en-ie, en-jm, en-nz, en-ph, en-za, en-tt, en-gb, en-zw, eo, et, fo, fi, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch, gl, ka, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, hu, is, id, in, ga, it, it-ch, ja, ko, ko-kp, ko-kr, lv, lt, mk-mk, ms, no, nb, nn, pl, pt, pt-br, ro, ru, gd, sr, sk, sl, sb, es-ar, es-bo, es-cl, es-co, es-cr, es-do, es-ec, es-sv, es-gt, es-hn, es-mx, es-ni, es-pa, es-py, es-pe, es-pr, es-es, es-uy, es-ve, sv, sv-fi, th, tr, uk, vi, cy, xh, yi, zu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? References: <004e01c381e4$c06ea870$5401010a@AM> <3F707191.7030201@lanl.gov> <006801c381ee$50381c80$5401010a@AM> In-Reply-To: <006801c381ee$50381c80$5401010a@AM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 From: "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150284724 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6kuy Michael J. Richard wrote: > I know......it's finding the TIME to do all of these things :) You got that right! I have 2 young children... and a WIFE! I don't even have time sleep any more... -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 09:54:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70739 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 16:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 16:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 16:54:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 16:54:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:54:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HD-Radio's new SBR Codec vs HE AAC (NeroDigital) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 906 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think you'll agree at 48kbps the HE AAC codec does an excellent > job at encoding the source samples - "What's up" was clearly the > most difficult sample to encode and at 48kbps bitrate and HE AAC, > the "wishy-washy" artifacts on the acoustic guitar are gone! Remember that you are creating these test samples with no audio processing, and iBiquity has specifically warned that the more thick you lay on the audio processing, the worse the artifacts will become. And that makes sense; "lossy" audio compression works by removing frequencies which it thinks you can't hear. With multi-band compression, you bring up the level of everything from the low bass to the high treble, which reduces the amount of inaudible frequencies -- and with CBR, eventually the encoder's available bit-rate will spread itself too thin and it will have to start cutting out frequencies that you *can* hear. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 10:15:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69335 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 17:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 17:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 17:15:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 17:15:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:15:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Curious about an oldie Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1140 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.160 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Not sure if this is the best place to ask about this, but...if any > > of you have ever heard Marvin Gaye's early-1970s smash "Mercy Mercy > > Me" (which, like "What's Going On", is excellent AMS fodder :) ), > > the ending sounds like an opera singer. OK, fine...except every time > > I hear it, I can't help feeling that that's actually an early > > digital sampling, > > Perhaps it's a tape recording of a steady tone, whose playback speed > they varied to create the effect? Or something like a combination of > a Theremin and a Moog synthesizer? Perhaps, although it is know even the Beatles experimented with digital sampling while working on "Abbey Road". =snip= > Also, on LeAnn Rimes' cover version of "You Light Up My Life", I > noticed that the strings are completely fake -- it sounds like a > single sample, repeated and stepped between notes, just like people > were doing with MOD files on their Amiga computers 15 years ago. More likely a MIDI keyboard, which are getting to be a bit too common for my tastes. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 10:19:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12225 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 17:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 17:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 17:19:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 17:19:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:19:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HD-Radio's new SBR Codec vs HE AAC (NeroDigital) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 70 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.160 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Just so you know, MP4 AAC is the codec used in DRM. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 10:35:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51433 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 17:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 17:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 17:35:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 17:35:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:35:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Automatic Variable Bandwidth for AM (stereo) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030923140824.20861.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1768 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Your wish has come true. The 2nd generation Motorola AMS chipset > has/had an automatic variable bandwidth control. This was used on > the Chrysler Infinity radios with the 5-band EQ and joystick fader, > and works great. I believe the Fanfare tuner has similar circuitry. 1993+ GM/Delco radios also have an auto-variable bandwidth, but only on AM Stereo signals. Mono signals will remain fixed at a "medium" bandwidth, about 6 kHz. On a Stereo signal, the bandwidth and stereo separation will vary depending on signal strength -- up to full AMAX bandwidth and Stereo separation on strong signals. The Chrysler design lacks RF noise blanking (which the Delco AMAX radios do have), but will provide variable-bandwidth reception of mono stations. There are actually two variations of this design: the radios made by Alpine (marked as such), which use a 6 kHz filter, tune up to 1710 kHz, and will enter Stereo mode almost instantly when an AM Stereo signal is tuned in... and also radios made by Mitsubishi (NOT marked as such), which use a 7.5 kHz filter (which provides better high treble response at the expense of selectivity), tune up to 1700 kHz, and are a bit slow to enter Stereo mode when tuning in a station. Both of these designs look essentially the same from the front panel, with the distinguishing 5-band equalizer and speaker "joystick" -- so if you want to know what you're getting, you have to look at the label on the top of the radio. I prefer the Alpine design because of its better selectivity, and with the equalizer you can still get a very pleasingly crisp treble response -- mono or stereo, AM music stations sound *fantastic* on it, especially through a factory-option "Infinity Gold" speaker/amplifier system! From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Sep 23 12:27:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93539 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 19:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 19:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 19:27:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 19:27:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:27:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ford car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2221 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > Beef of mine, here-- I hate the term "decoder" when applied to > > > AM stereo demodulation circuits, and "decoding" for the act of > > > demodulating AMS. > > > > Blame Mudderola, er... Motorola... I believe they were the ones to > > first use that term themselves, in reference to their series of > > C-Quam "decoder" chips. > > Yes, all the datasheets say "decoder". :P I think others were guilty > of this, too, even before Motorola, as I have heard of "FM stereo > decoders" and the like. There is no "code" in analog stereo systems > to "decode", but they can be demodulated. :) Are you sure there is no "code" in analog stereo systems? The term "decoder" has had a long and honorable usage in this context, long before Motorola called their C-Quam chip a "decoder" chip. Have you bothered to look in the dictionary to see what the word "code" actually means? Here are two of the meanings, "a system of signals", and "a system of symbols with special meanings". FM stereo, AM stereo, and even plain old monophonic AM recovery circuits meet both of these definitions. The first definition obviously fits, and the second definition fits too. Consider the simple case of monophonic AM where we start with an analog signal normalized to a peak value of plus/minus 1.0, if we want to create an AM signal at 1 mHz, we first sample the audio signal at a 1 mHz rate, and then encode each sample of the audio signal by mapping it to a code where each symbol in the code is composed of a pair of samples, one with a value equal to the original audio sample plus one, and a second sample equal to minus the value of the audio sample added to minus one. These code symbols, each consisting of two samples, are then transmitted at a 1 mHz symbol rate, or each individual sample in the code symbol is transmitted at a 2 mHz rate. This is a somewhat simplified explanation of the process, and the code gets more complex for stereo systems. Bottom line, "decoder" is a perfectly valid way to describe these stereo circuits. John From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 14:08:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92562 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 21:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 21:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 21:08:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 21:08:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:08:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KKOB in stereo??? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004e01c381e4$c06ea870$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1584 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I can check it some evening on my SRF-42. I live in the San Diego, CA area so I have a local 50,000 watt station on 760 (KFMB) but since it's northwest of me I can null it and pull in KKOB 770. I'll see about checking it some evening this week. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Can anyone help me confirm this? Listening last night from around 9:00 to 10:00pm mountain daylight time, I swear I had a definite pilot on 770 KKOB Albuquerque with separation on ID's and ads. I guess it could have been falsing but it seemed pretty clear to me. Even thought I could hear some great separation on bumper music during the Michael Savage program. I guess it IS possible. KKOB is not ClearChannel. They're actually owned by Citadel. Don't know if they were doing testing or on a different (backup) transmitter last night or something. Mike Westfall....did you notice or can you try today? I don't know if it was a fluke. I see nothing on their web site about it and they certainly didn't say anything on the air about it...but that doesn't mean much. I was thinking about dropping them a line....seeing if maybe one of their engineers would get back to me about it. He could certainly tell me if it's at all possible. I don't know if KKOB was ever stereo at one time. I imagine maybe they were back in the day since they're one of the big original clearchannel (not the corporation) stations from back in those days. > > Any clues? > > Michael n Wyoming > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 14:22:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33784 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 21:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 21:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 21:22:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20030923212230.46720.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.213] by web41207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:22:30 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hawaii To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there anyone in Hawaii or knows if any stations there are in AM Stereo? Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 14:51:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20883 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 21:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 21:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 21:51:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2003 21:51:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:51:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HD-Radio's new SBR Codec vs HE AAC (NeroDigital) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 905 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Just so you know, MP4 AAC is the codec used in DRM. DRM may not trash up the band as much as IBOC, but it still sounds like crap. Sorry, as much as I'd like to support DRM as the international choice for digital AM/shortwave, I have to be honest, and all the audio samples of it I've heard have never impressed me. Just like the current IBOC codec, DRM also has that harsh, gritty "cheese grater" treble which is not at all pleasing or even *tolerable* to my ears. If I had to listen to radio like that, my only choice would be to turn the treble control all the way down. And I have no clue why both IBOC and DRM are so obsessed with giving us "near-FM-quality" 15 kHz stereo that sounds like garbage, when they could use the same codec and the same (low) bit-rates to give us a good, clean 8 or 9 kHz of "mid-fidelity" stereo sound, without all those obnoxious high-treble artifacts. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 15:47:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27880 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 22:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2003 22:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 22:47:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20030923224712.72827.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.213] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:47:12 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: am frequencies To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030923212230.46720.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Theres some frequencies for auction in New Zealand if anyone wants to do AM Stereo here.... http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/PA0309/S00496.htm Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 17:50:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61581 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 00:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 00:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 00:50:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2003 00:50:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:50:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hawaii Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030923212230.46720.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 301 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.202 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > > Is there anyone in Hawaii or knows if any stations there are in AM Stereo? There was one I remember on 830 years ago, as it shared "clear channel" status with WCCO of Minneapolis, Minnesota. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 17:54:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24627 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 00:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 00:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 00:54:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20030924005433.36307.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.213] by web41202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:54:33 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hawaii To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy It must of been KIKI Oldies I heard it in the early 90's but then was rather naive about AM stereo-It is now talkback I think. Michael Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > > Is there anyone in Hawaii or knows if any stations there are in AM Stereo? There was one I remember on 830 years ago, as it shared "clear channel" status with WCCO of Minneapolis, Minnesota. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Sep 23 18:05:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33095 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 01:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 01:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 01:05:01 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8O14u03017320 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:04:56 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8O14uP25283 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:04:56 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8O14uZ25270 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:04:56 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:04:55 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471BD@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: HD-Radio's new SBR Codec vs HE AAC (NeroDigital) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:04:54 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 I agree - to be fair on Tom/Kerry - they did acknowledge that they were having a few processing issues with their Optimod while producing the HD-Radio samples - they definitely are louder than the HE AAC samples so some compression has been introduced. Perhaps the Optimod introduces some artifacts in the lighter compression modes as surely these would be rarely used by most radio stations and may not have been fully auditioned for quality. I also have to admit we don't know whether the latest HD-Radio samples are using a 36kbps codec or 48-56kbps codec - Perhaps if Kerry or Tom are here they can advise? If they are from a 36kbps HD-Radio "PAC+SBR" codec, I have to admit they are quite good for the bitrate. Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 2:54 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD-Radio's new SBR Codec vs HE AAC (NeroDigital) > I think you'll agree at 48kbps the HE AAC codec does an excellent > job at encoding the source samples - "What's up" was clearly the > most difficult sample to encode and at 48kbps bitrate and HE AAC, > the "wishy-washy" artifacts on the acoustic guitar are gone! Remember that you are creating these test samples with no audio processing, and iBiquity has specifically warned that the more thick you lay on the audio processing, the worse the artifacts will become. And that makes sense; "lossy" audio compression works by removing frequencies which it thinks you can't hear. With multi-band compression, you bring up the level of everything from the low bass to the high treble, which reduces the amount of inaudible frequencies -- and with CBR, eventually the encoder's available bit-rate will spread itself too thin and it will have to start cutting out frequencies that you *can* hear. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From stodd@vippn.com Tue Sep 23 18:14:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34880 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 01:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 01:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 01:14:09 -0000 Message-ID: <009801c38239$b7f8f9c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030923224712.72827.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} am frequencies Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:09:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not that I have anything to invest, mind you, but how much outside ownership does NZ allow? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Ross" > Theres some frequencies for auction in New Zealand if anyone wants to do AM Stereo here.... http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/PA0309/S00496.htm From stodd@vippn.com Tue Sep 23 18:14:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93626 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 01:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 01:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 01:14:11 -0000 Message-ID: <009901c38239$b8d1a680$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <004e01c381e4$c06ea870$5401010a@AM> Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:10:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It would have to be falsing. Citadel is worse than CC when it comes to AMS, and TRN (Savage's network) is only mono. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" > Can anyone help me confirm this? Listening last night from around 9:00 to 10:00pm mountain daylight time, I swear I had a definite pilot on 770 KKOB Albuquerque with separation on ID's and ads. I guess it could have been falsing but it seemed pretty clear to me. Even thought I could hear some great separation on bumper music during the Michael Savage program. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Sep 23 18:14:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99809 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 01:14:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 01:14:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 01:14:13 -0000 Message-ID: <009a01c38239$b9b501a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030923043251.14140.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: analog compression/decompression of AM Stereo Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:12:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude All you're doing is loading down the output of the IF and broadbanding it by adding that diode. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Caroccio" > In my expermentation with > AM Stereo receivers, I have found that connecting a > general purpose silicon diode across the secondary > output of the IF transformer coil, will smoothly > nearly double the fidelity. Yet the output signal is > just duplicating and "stretching" the original signal. > Granted you get a rather nice sound, but it remains > untrue in reproduction to the original source signal. > Too, you nearly cut the sensitivity of the receiver in half. > From stodd@vippn.com Tue Sep 23 18:14:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93742 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 01:14:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 01:14:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 01:14:15 -0000 Message-ID: <009b01c38239$ba9ffde0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC messages on rec.audio.pro Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:17:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thanks for the yucks. HD seems to be only popular with those investing the $$ in it. I forsee a potential disaster in which the manufacturers complain they put too much into R&D to give it up, so the FCC approves it merely on that basis, the listening public goes away, and the manufacturers go bankrupt anyway. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "bradleyj923" > But that's not even my beef. Frank Foti states that, upstream of the > new digital delivery orifice, "Care should be taken to avoid using > heavy > dynamics processing such as high ratio limiting, clipping of any sort, > as well as radical EQ curves...." Oh. So the new HD radio is going > to > wreak havoc on anything that's heavily compressed. Is that all? From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Sep 23 18:23:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44420 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 01:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 01:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 01:23:49 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8O1Nm03018688 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:23:48 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8O1NmP31903 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:23:48 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8O1NmZ31897 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:23:48 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:23:47 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471BF@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: HD-Radio's new SBR Codec vs HE AAC (NeroDigital) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:23:46 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 I think the main problem is DRM is running at a lower bitrate than IBOC at the moment - the samples on the www.drm.org website are at 28kbps maximum - if they were able to increase the bitrate to around 48-56kbps the results would be excellent. I agree if they used a 12khz lowpass filter they would be able to achieve much better perceived fidelity with less high frequency artifacts... eg like the Real Audio codec. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 7:52 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD-Radio's new SBR Codec vs HE AAC (NeroDigital) > Just so you know, MP4 AAC is the codec used in DRM. DRM may not trash up the band as much as IBOC, but it still sounds like crap. Sorry, as much as I'd like to support DRM as the international choice for digital AM/shortwave, I have to be honest, and all the audio samples of it I've heard have never impressed me. Just like the current IBOC codec, DRM also has that harsh, gritty "cheese grater" treble which is not at all pleasing or even *tolerable* to my ears. If I had to listen to radio like that, my only choice would be to turn the treble control all the way down. And I have no clue why both IBOC and DRM are so obsessed with giving us "near-FM-quality" 15 kHz stereo that sounds like garbage, when they could use the same codec and the same (low) bit-rates to give us a good, clean 8 or 9 kHz of "mid-fidelity" stereo sound, without all those obnoxious high-treble artifacts. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 18:30:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31993 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 01:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 01:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 01:30:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20030924013033.30954.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.213] by web41209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:30:33 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} am frequencies To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <009801c38239$b7f8f9c0$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone can invest here the govt has the doors wide open... (TRN is here partly owned by Clear Channel and Canwest own almost all the spectrum) and Rhema is owned by the UCB network and the 59 US cents otherwords 2 qauters a nickle and 4 pennies gets 1 dollar coin of our currency too. No one does AM stereo here They believe its inferior to FM. Michael Scott Todd wrote: Not that I have anything to invest, mind you, but how much outside ownership does NZ allow? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Ross" > Theres some frequencies for auction in New Zealand if anyone wants to do AM Stereo here.... http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/PA0309/S00496.htm Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 18:43:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44556 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 01:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 01:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 01:43:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2003 01:43:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:43:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC messages on rec.audio.pro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009b01c38239$ba9ffde0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 455 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.110.202 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Thanks for the yucks. HD seems to be only popular with those investing the > $$ in it. I forsee a potential disaster in which the manufacturers complain > they put too much into R&D to give it up, so the FCC approves it merely on > that basis, the listening public goes away, and the manufacturers go > bankrupt anyway. This seems a very likely scenario. :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dac177@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 19:22:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dac177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63016 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 02:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 02:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40809.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.186) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 02:22:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20030924022240.12698.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.199.96.24] by web40809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:22:40 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <009901c38239$b8d1a680$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Caroccio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159003839 X-Yahoo-Profile: dac177 I know KKOB 770 AM Albrquerquie to be mono---sorry DAC --- Scott Todd wrote: > It would have to be falsing. Citadel is worse than > CC when it comes to AMS, > and TRN (Savage's network) is only mono. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael J. Richard" > > > Can anyone help me confirm this? Listening last > night from around 9:00 > to 10:00pm mountain daylight time, I swear I had a > definite pilot on 770 > KKOB Albuquerque with separation on ID's and ads. I > guess it could have > been falsing but it seemed pretty clear to me. Even > thought I could hear > some great separation on bumper music during the > Michael Savage program. > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Sep 23 19:29:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73461 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 02:29:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 02:29:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 02:29:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2003 02:28:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 02:28:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} am frequencies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030924013033.30954.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 501 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.189 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross < alnairgrus@y...> wrote: > Anyone can invest here the govt has the doors wide open... (TRN is > here partly owned by Clear Channel and Canwest own almost all the > spectrum) and Rhema is owned by the UCB network and the 59 US cents > otherwords 2 qauters a nickle and 4 pennies gets 1 dollar coin of > our currency too. > No one does AM stereo here They believe its inferior to FM. To put it bluntly, it is inferior to FM, isn't it? John From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 20:00:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33523 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 03:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 03:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 03:00:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20030924030038.59251.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.213] by web41202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:00:38 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030924022240.12698.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It can often sound in stereo at night when other stations come in with it but the reality comes in the daytime with a stable ground wave. Michael David Caroccio wrote: I know KKOB 770 AM Albrquerquie to be mono---sorry DAC --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Tue Sep 23 20:54:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71442 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 03:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 03:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 03:54:41 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h8O3seH1022194 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:54:40 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:54:40 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mikey Powell in The Drudge Report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Donn Tillman wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/22/business/media/22MIKE.html Great article Donn!! All Young Powell seems to want to do is knock his knockers - not what they're saying. Someone has posted it on alt.radio.broadcasing . "Powell shoots the messenger" Hopefully some may like to discuss it there. From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 22:53:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2060 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 05:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 05:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 05:53:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2003 05:52:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 05:52:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: A few things Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3769 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.17.219 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb First off, I can't believe the sheer volume of posts in the group. Since I've been unable to scan them at work during lunch, I have spent several hours at home doing this. Now hoping I don't go over my hours. Having said that, I'd like to respond, if I may, to some things I have been able to catch up on, as well as share some news. ANALOG AM AND NATIONAL DEFENSE Hurricane Isabel was a natural disaster. We will _always_ have them. The latest blackout covering the northeast turned out to be more an inconvience than a disaster, but barring elimination of the grid, we will _always_ have these too. Then there are the other unnatural disasters we'd rather not consider. Though it may seem OT for the forum, the question does derserve consideration. In times of disaster or other upset, the local authorities need to contact the public, and do so through radio in most cases. It seems folly to me to take a perfectly good and working broadcasting system and throw it away. "The new system is new" and "the new system is digital" are poor excuses to chuck tradition. Personal experience tells me that the ear fatigues more with digital artifacts than with static. We had CONELRAD, EBS, and now EAS, all via analog. Amber alerts are broadcast via, you guessed it, analog radio. Billions of people have been informed via analog. Billions of existing receivers inform people everday, be it traffic reports to save time or weather warnings to save lives. Could it be mere coincidence that this same analog system is also capable of the best sounding radio in the MW band? KFTI AND THE DEMISE OF THE PILOT With little fanfare, it appears as though KFTI AM here in Wichita has turned off their C-QUAM exciter. The first indication I had of this was from a Carver TX-11 which came in for service recently, and I suggested a quick check of 1070. After the stereo light didn't, I checked it out at home, where I have a crude but effective AM stereo receiver fashioned. A check of the FM detector earlier this evening revealed that my fears were indeed founded. Seems as though the station I was using as a "sounding board" for receiver design, has indeed nailed shut the east and west doors of the Radio Ranch. There is yet one more thing to do in this endeavor, and that is to confirm that they've shut off the exciter for good, or are doing maintinence. Hear it from the horses mouth, so to say. Which brings me to... IS HE EVER GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE 2AM EXCITER?! After a short hiatus, I am back working on the next in a series of papers on the "alternate methods" I posted a few months back. What I propose is a somewhat simpler transmitter based on the 2AM scheme. While a "not ready for part 73" piece of equipment, I hope this to be a little something for the part 15 crowd. It'll still be a while, but I'll let you know when the new PDF appears in the Quampliphase folder. MAILMAN, LOOKS LIKE YOU NEED THIS TRUSS. WITHOUT THE STONE!! As I said at the start of this post, I am really amazed at the sheer volume of messages this month in this forum. What could cause me to fall behind? Nothing more than updating the music in the studio, as well as cataloging songs. Then there's shows to do, as well as other personal stuff I won't get into here, save for the k. stone that helped make an interesting show. (post me off the fourm for more details.) WHAT HAVE -YOU- DONE FOR AM STEREO LATELY? 1-catch up on messages in the AM stereo forum. 2-see above. 3-see 1 and 2. 4-work on the receiver. 5-write on the exciter. 6-think about a new part 95 station. 7-think about programming for #6. 8-get back to work to be able to afford to do 4-7. 9-practice in the home studio. 10-lather, rinse, repeat. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 00:24:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5248 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 07:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 07:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 07:24:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2003 07:24:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:24:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A few things Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4113 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > First off, I can't believe the sheer volume of posts in the group. > Since I've been unable to scan them at work during lunch, I have > spent several hours at home doing this. Now hoping I don't go over my > hours. Having said that, I'd like to respond, if I may, to some > things I have been able to catch up on, as well as share some news. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? A suggestion: Set your subscription to read by email (individual or digest- your choice) and set your mail reader to read and reply offline, so it will send your replies the next time you log on. In this regard, I'm glad I have DSL, and no time limit. :) > ANALOG AM AND NATIONAL DEFENSE > Hurricane Isabel was a natural disaster. We will _always_ have > them. The latest blackout covering the northeast turned out to be > more an inconvience than a disaster, but barring elimination of the > grid, we will _always_ have these too. Then there are the other > unnatural disasters we'd rather not consider. Though it may seem OT > for the forum, the question does derserve consideration. In times of > disaster or other upset, the local authorities need to contact the > public, and do so through radio in most cases. It seems folly to me > to take a perfectly good and working broadcasting system and throw it > away. "The new system is new" and "the new system is digital" are > poor excuses to chuck tradition. Personal experience tells me that > the ear fatigues more with digital artifacts than with static. We had > CONELRAD, EBS, and now EAS, all via analog. Amber alerts are > broadcast via, you guessed it, analog radio. Billions of people have > been informed via analog. Billions of existing receivers inform > people everday, be it traffic reports to save time or weather > warnings to save lives. Could it be mere coincidence that this same > analog system is also capable of the best sounding radio in the MW > band? Analog works. It can be set up cheaply and effectively. It requires very little to send or receive. IT WORKS. And as for AM stereo, it takes full advantage of what can be done with AM, and is based on technological concepts that date back 90 years, back to the first practical phased-SSB radio system in 1915. And to reiterate my point, AM (stereo) WORKS! So does FM (stereo). Digital, as implemented here in the US, is a joke. > IS HE EVER GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE 2AM EXCITER?! > After a short hiatus, I am back working on the next in a series of > papers on the "alternate methods" I posted a few months back. What I > propose is a somewhat simpler transmitter based on the 2AM scheme. > While a "not ready for part 73" piece of equipment, I hope this to be > a little something for the part 15 crowd. It'll still be a while, but > I'll let you know when the new PDF appears in the Quampliphase folder. I was wondering where you were! (Reminds me- I need to finish work on my AMS patent collection.) > MAILMAN, LOOKS LIKE YOU NEED THIS TRUSS. WITHOUT THE STONE!! > As I said at the start of this post, I am really amazed at the > sheer volume of messages this month in this forum. What could cause > me to fall behind? Nothing more than updating the music in the > studio, as well as cataloging songs. Then there's shows to do, as > well as other personal stuff I won't get into here, save for the k. > stone that helped make an interesting show. (post me off the fourm > for more details.) To be honest, I had been hoping for high traffic here- We have a good chance of reaching 1000 posts this month, not seen since December 2002's 1004 posts. > WHAT HAVE -YOU- DONE FOR AM STEREO LATELY? > 1-catch up on messages in the AM stereo forum. > 2-see above. > 3-see 1 and 2. > 4-work on the receiver. > 5-write on the exciter. > 6-think about a new part 95 station. > 7-think about programming for #6. > 8-get back to work to be able to afford to do 4-7. > 9-practice in the home studio. > 10-lather, rinse, repeat. Hehe. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Sep 24 06:15:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17360 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 13:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 13:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 13:14:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2003 13:14:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:14:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} am frequencies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5341 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > To put it bluntly, it [AM] is inferior to FM, isn't it? > > John In some ways AM is truly inferior to FM, in other ways FM is truly inferior to AM. In the words of the 1950s and 1960s books, FM is "static free". Those same books forget to add that AM is multipath free. FM is free of nightime co-channel and adjacent channel skywave interference. True. They forget that AM is free of co-channel trophospheric interference, which at least here in the Maritimes peaks from 6 am to 10 am and is a virtually everyday fact of life during the spring, summer and fall [yes, wiping out the morning show - now that's a smart move!!!] How many BBMs or ARBs are MADE by the evening and overnight shows, versus the morning show and afternoon drive? OK, we know AM tends to have better daytime coverage during the winter [cold weather, snow cover, assuming a station is sited in an area having these!] than during the summer. So AM is inferior because of this inconsistency? FM, well, its coverage improves quite remarkably here in the Maritimes in November when the leaves are off the trees - only to fall apart again come spring. Cute isn't it? I guess FM is inconsistent too??? Case #1 When 10 kw AM MONO on 1410Khz, ground conductivity "1" CIGO "flipped" [CRTC's term, not mine] to 19kw of Class B FM with 177 metres of EHAAT on 101.5 Mhz - FM's coverage superiority to AM was "demonstrated" in the popular mind of folks in eastern Nova Scotia. In addition to poor groundwave coverage, CIGO was plagued with nightime interference from 1410 WPOP in Hartford - the jocks at CIGO ["sea-go" in the old days]could often hear WPOP in their headphones, courtesy of the off air monitor. Case #2 When 25 kw AM STEREO on 580Khz, ground conductivity "4" CJFX "flipped" to 75kw of Class C1 FM with 208 metres of EHAAT on 98.9 Mhz - folks in eastern Nova Scotia were confused. CIGO's coverage improved so much with the move to FM. Why did CJFX's coverage go to pieces with the move to AM? [Of course, we know about ground conductivity, advantages of lower frequencies for groundwave coverage etc.] Now CJFX is plagued with co-channel trophospheric interference from C98 [CJYC 12 kw 98.9 Mhz]well over 150 miles away. Within CJFX's 0.5 mv/m "protected contour" listeners west of Antigonish are quite often treated to a morning zoo and Classic Rock - think Rush - [the band, not the talk show guru] from Saint John New Brunswick, rather than EX-AM's unusually soft and bland "Lite Rock" [read, rock for seniors] - think Celine Dion [Phil yawns]. True, within an FM station's 3 mv/m contour, its signal quality is hard to beat - well, except for the more "built up" e.g. downtown cores. But the signal quality within an AM station's 15 mv/m contour [the CRTC considers this contour roughly equal to FM's 3 mv/m contour when evaluating AM to FM flip applications]is pretty hard to beat too, well, except in "built up" areas. Do I here an echo here? No, just some FM multipath. FM offers flat response up to 15 Khz - very true, providing the processing is set to allow this. NRSC [the law here in Canada] rolloff restricts AM to 10 Khz so a heapload of stations can be sandwiched into 1.2 Mhz of spectrum, while FM has 20 Mhz of spectrum to play with. With the "depopulating" of the AM band here in Canada, there is no reason why Industry Canada couldn't permit the majority of AM stations left in Canada to run audio up to 20 Khz by day. FM's overall "in practice" superiority over AM is a mythical perception, based on the poor quality receivers available on the mass market. Combine 1950s [some would say this dates back farther, to the 30s] wideband AM technology with 21st Century DSP receive only technology, and "near HiFi" AM is feasible, with the removal of most "static". I suppose DSP technology could be used to remove most multipath, leaving a roughly equal playing field for FM and AM. Ooops, show me a "Dream FM" Class C 100kw FM station, with a 600 metre EHAAT, which has a 0.5 mv/m contour beyond 70 miles. Compare that to the coverage of a "Dream AM" Class A 50kw station, say with a ground conductivity of 20. I've said it before and I'll say it again, AM is at its best for regional coverage, FM for more localized coverage. Various other local factors may factor into the mix as well - terrain, ground conductivity etc. Tropo may be a big factor here in the Maritimes, and may be a rarity somewhere else. Thus FM may be clearly superior in some regards, AM in others. Speaking from a pure technological / laboratory point of view - FM may well be superior. I suppose the theoretical ideal might be FM modulation on the standard MW band. Problem is, 200 Khz spacing wouldn't be too efficient at packing in the stations on the MW band! But imagine, FM with groundwave [and skywave]! However, we live in a real world, where most folks - even techno- junkie yours truly, cannot afford US$1900 or so for near Hi-Fi, noise free AM stereo. We can afford CDN$70 for near HiFi AM mono, with some EMI on our GE SR IIIs [available at mass market retailers here in Canada, right off the shelf] or scrounge eBay for other delights. My rant for the day! Phil R. PEI Canada From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Sep 24 06:22:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83714 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 13:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 13:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 13:22:36 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:22:35 -0600 Message-ID: <004201c3829e$eb446e80$5401010a@AM> To: References: <004e01c381e4$c06ea870$5401010a@AM> <009901c38239$b8d1a680$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:22:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the responses on KKOB. Listened once again last night and again a pretty solid pilot on 770. Don't know what is going on with that. Might have to drop them a line and see what they say. As far as I had known for years as well KKOB isn't and hasn't been stereo. So I don't know what to think of that. But it's still there. Hmmmmmmm. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 7:10 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? It would have to be falsing. Citadel is worse than CC when it comes to AMS, and TRN (Savage's network) is only mono. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Sep 24 06:32:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41091 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 13:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 13:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 13:32:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2003 13:32:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:32:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} am frequencies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "tubesareking" wrote: Why did CJFX's > coverage go to pieces with the move to AM? TYPO. It should read "move to FM" Maybe "EX-AM" will have to move back to AM, in part, by constructing a medium power [say, 1kw to 5kw] AM repeater in central Cape Breton. An FM repeater in "mid CB" would likely be strongly opposed by MBS Radio [CKPE, CJCB, CHER in Sydney NS]as well as rival MacEachern Broadcasting [CIGO a.k.a. The Hawk]. Sorry, 580 won't be available there - getting too close to 590 VOCM - nothing but salt water in between. But hey, 1410 is available!!! LMAO Phil R. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Sep 24 06:43:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96101 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 13:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 13:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 13:43:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2003 13:43:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:43:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004201c3829e$eb446e80$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1759 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Sounds like the CKDH phenomenon. From time to time, this 1kw wonder on 900 Khz cranking out a 25 to 50 kw style groundwave in certain directions [oh those Tantramar Marshes!!!] - lights my Delco's stereo light. Most often, this is by night. I suspect falsing, but when it happens by day, it puzzles me. Maybe MBS Radio moved the CKCW exiter [which briefly went to CHNS] to CKDH for the occassional test [psst, just to keep the electroltics from drying out... hee hee] Fact is, some, perhaps even many CEs are funloving technojunkies who might on occassion wire up the CQUAM exciter briefly. I still keep checking for CJCH. So far, only mono. Phil R. P.S. MJR, your audio samples of KEVA sound darn good to me. I checked out Radiolocator, and according to it, KEVA has rather impressive groundwave coverage for a graveyarder. Do you folks have really good ground conductivity there? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Thanks for the responses on KKOB. Listened once again last night and again a pretty solid pilot on 770. Don't know what is going on with that. Might have to drop them a line and see what they say. As far as I had known for years as well KKOB isn't and hasn't been stereo. So I don't know what to think of that. But it's still there. Hmmmmmmm. > > Michael n WYO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Todd > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 7:10 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? > > > It would have to be falsing. Citadel is worse than CC when it comes to AMS, > and TRN (Savage's network) is only mono. > > ST > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 10:39:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6038 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 17:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 17:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80512.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 17:39:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20030924173929.35668.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.232.195.134] by web80512.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:39:29 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: good sample rate to record AMS from SRF-42/tape? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030923034351.73843.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Caroccio wrote: > > I have found a severe problem with the SRF-42 (in > it's unaltered state) when trying to receive local/ > semi local stations at or around sunset... it's > called > multipath reception, which reaks havoc on the stereo > nreprodution of this station (1110 KDIS)... yet I > live > in Fontana... so this may not be true for your > area... I'm not sure what you are trying to say. AM doesn't have a "multipath" problem...that's something that FM is often plagued by. Can you be more descriptive? Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 11:08:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78235 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 18:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 18:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 18:08:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2003 18:08:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:08:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ogg audio samples Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1950 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics In response to the controversy over IBOC's switch from the PAC codec to a modified form of AAC, I had some fun trying out Ogg Vorbis's lowest quality setting, and the results are surprisingly good, at least to my ears. Ogg calls this quality "-1", since quality "0" is supposed to be the lowest acceptable level, but I've found that if you use a sampling rate of 32 kHz, the results at -1 are actually not all that bad. It provides an audio bandwidth of 13 kHz, *without* the use of "fake" Spectral Band Replication, so while you do miss out on some of the high treble, the benefit is that what you *can* hear is much more accurate and much less artificial-sounding than what SBR provides. I used the same music clips provided on WOR's site, processed with a generous amount of compression, to mimic the audio of today's highly-processed music stations (although I used wide-band limiting, so you will hear some "pumping"). With all six music clips sequenced together into one file, with the aforementioned settings, the resulting bit-rate is 45 kbps. So, how good can Ogg sound at 45 kbps? Give it a try: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/test-1.ogg In addition, I encoded two particularly challenging clips from Pink Floyd -- the bells in "Time" and the cash register effects in "Money": ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/bells-1.ogg ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/money-1.ogg As it should, the bit-rate does rise up a bit, but with "Money", the average still remains below 50 kbps. I also found that in most cases, cutting the audio bandwidth down to 10 kHz didn't drop the bit-rate all that much -- maybe 5 kbps at most. I also tried MP3PRO at 40 and 48 kbps, but the quality is not nearly as good as what Ogg can deliver at around the same bit-rates, plus the SBR "fake treble" effects become very annoying. MP3PRO is still fairly decent at 64 kbps, but below that, Ogg is a much better alternative. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 11:55:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23114 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 18:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 18:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 18:55:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2003 18:55:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:55:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: good graveyard groundwave (Re: KKOB in stereo???) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2184 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key From some coastal locations in San Diego, CA, I can get KTLK 1340 from Santa Barbara with a decent daytime signal from 180 miles away and it's only 650 watts. I can also sometimes hear it at night over other graveyarders (from near the ocean, that is). --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "tubesareking" wrote: > Sounds like the CKDH phenomenon. From time to time, this 1kw wonder > on 900 Khz cranking out a 25 to 50 kw style groundwave in certain > directions [oh those Tantramar Marshes!!!] - lights my Delco's > stereo light. Most often, this is by night. I suspect falsing, but > when it happens by day, it puzzles me. Maybe MBS Radio moved the > CKCW exiter [which briefly went to CHNS] to CKDH for the occassional > test [psst, just to keep the electroltics from drying out... hee hee] > > Fact is, some, perhaps even many CEs are funloving technojunkies who > might on occassion wire up the CQUAM exciter briefly. > > I still keep checking for CJCH. So far, only mono. > > Phil R. > > P.S. MJR, your audio samples of KEVA sound darn good to me. I > checked out Radiolocator, and according to it, KEVA has rather > impressive groundwave coverage for a graveyarder. Do you folks have > really good ground conductivity there? > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" > wrote: > > Thanks for the responses on KKOB. Listened once again last night > and again a pretty solid pilot on 770. Don't know what is going on > with that. Might have to drop them a line and see what they say. > As far as I had known for years as well KKOB isn't and hasn't been > stereo. So I don't know what to think of that. But it's still > there. Hmmmmmmm. > > > > Michael n WYO > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Scott Todd > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 7:10 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? > > > > > > It would have to be falsing. Citadel is worse than CC when it > comes to AMS, > > and TRN (Savage's network) is only mono. > > > > ST > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Sep 24 13:10:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25054 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 20:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 20:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 20:10:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2003 20:10:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:10:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} am frequencies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1817 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.161 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "tubesareking" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > To put it bluntly, it [AM] is inferior to FM, isn't it? > > > > John > > In some ways AM is truly inferior to FM, in other ways FM is truly > inferior to AM. In the words of the 1950s and 1960s books, FM > is "static free". Those same books forget to add that AM is > multipath free. FM is free of nightime co-channel and adjacent > channel skywave interference. True. OK, you are not talking about AM vs. FM, what you are talking about is MW vs. VHF. VHF has much more consistent propagation day vs. night, which eliminates many of the problems experienced on the MW band. By observation class B VHF FM stations have far superior coverage to all but a few MW AM stations on the lower portion of the band, and only the dominant stations on the low clear channels at night when MW AM coverage tends to go to pot. The MW band is not free from multipath, you can plainly hear the resulting distortion at night on the MW band if your radio has an envelope detector. Since AM is a linear modulation system, while FM is a nonlinear system, it is true will be no distortion under multipath conditions using AM with a synchronous detector on the MW band, only frequency response aberrations, while FM creates distortion under multipath conditions, as does MW AM when an envelope detector is used. On the other hand, most multipath on the VHF band can be avoided with the proper antenna installation, while on the AM MW band the multipath is not so easily eliminated. Advantage, clearly VHF FM due to its superior coverage, and consistency, for the typical station not just a few clear channel stations at the low end of the MW band. John From spt87a@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 13:48:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spt87a@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84604 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 20:48:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 20:48:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 20:48:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2003 20:48:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:48:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Automatic Variable Bandwidth for AM (stereo) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 485 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "spt87a" X-Originating-IP: 204.110.135.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=160273779 X-Yahoo-Profile: spt87a --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Your wish has come true. The 2nd generation Motorola AMS chipset > > has/had an automatic variable bandwidth control. This was used on The Ford/Visteon radios with AM-ST have had variable bandwidth for the last few year (at least starting in '97, maybe earlier). The variable bandwidth works for both mono and C-Quam stations. These don't use Motorola chips - they are DSP based radios. - Scott From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 16:24:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37611 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 23:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2003 23:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 23:24:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2003 23:24:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:24:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM multipath Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030924173929.35668.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1590 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm not sure what you are trying to say. AM doesn't have a > "multipath" problem...that's something that FM is often plagued by. > Can you be more descriptive? AM can have multipath... but it's more of a slow, rolling effect, rather than the scratchy noise and hiss it causes on FM. A typical case of multipath on AM is at night when you're listening to a semi-local station and are receiving it via groundwave and skywave simultaneously. Since it has to bounce off the upper atmosphere, the skywave takes longer to arrive, and the delay between it and the groundwave causes a fading or fluttering of the signal, often accompanied distorted audio with strange phasing effects. Often, you can reduce or eliminate this problem by rotating the antenna to a different position -- but obviously if you have a ferrite bar antenna built into a stereo system, or a unidirectional car antenna, you don't have much choice in that matter. However, during daytime conditions, when only the groundwaves are received, you are correct in saying that AM has little to no problems with multipath -- and doesn't have FM's "line-of-sight" coverage limitation either, as anybody who lives or drives in areas of hills and valleys is fully aware of. (The hills in central NJ are murderous to FM reception because of this -- you can be picking up 101.1 WCBS-FM from NYC crystal-clear, then drive around the wrong side of a hill and then suddenly it starts cutting out and you get 101.1 WBEB from Philadelphia instead -- then a mile later you're back to perfect reception of WCBS-FM!) From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 17:12:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88194 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 00:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 00:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80505.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 00:11:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20030925001008.80424.qmail@web80505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.46.241] by web80505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:10:08 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} am frequencies To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > The MW band is not free from multipath, you can > plainly hear the > resulting distortion at night on the MW band if your > radio has an > envelope detector. You mean ground wave and skywave arriving out of phase. Since AM is a linear modulation > system, while FM > is a nonlinear system, it is true will be no > distortion under > multipath conditions using AM with a synchronous > detector on the MW > band, only frequency response aberrations, while FM > creates distortion > under multipath conditions, as does MW AM when an > envelope detector is > used. On the other hand, most multipath on the VHF > band can be > avoided with the proper antenna installation, while > on the AM MW band > the multipath is not so easily eliminated. This certainly is not true. Try downtown Atlanta. San Francisco has HORRIBLE multipath problems. The AM groundwave skywave cancellation usually happens past 40 miles or so, so I really don't call it the same thing as VHF and UHF and FM. On TV multipath is called "ghosts".... When I lived in midtown Atlanta TV was next to useless and so were some FM's. No cable where I was. GRRR! ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 17:14:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25838 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 00:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 00:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80509.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 00:14:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20030925001428.24807.qmail@web80509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.46.241] by web80509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:14:28 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM multipath To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > I'm not sure what you are trying to say. AM > doesn't have a > > "multipath" problem...that's something that FM is > often plagued by. > > Can you be more descriptive? > > AM can have multipath... but it's more of a slow, > rolling effect, > rather than the scratchy noise and hiss it causes on > FM. > > A typical case of multipath on AM is at night when > you're listening > to a semi-local station and are receiving it via > groundwave and > skywave simultaneously. Since it has to bounce off > the upper > atmosphere, the skywave takes longer to arrive, and > the delay between > it and the groundwave causes a fading or fluttering > of the signal, > often accompanied distorted audio with strange > phasing effects. I've always heard it called groundwave skywave cancellation. When it arrives out of phase it sounds horrid, in phase it gives you stronger than day groundwave reception. > Often, you can reduce or eliminate this problem by > rotating the > antenna to a different position -- but obviously if > you have a > ferrite bar antenna built into a stereo system, or a > unidirectional > car antenna, you don't have much choice in that True.... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 17:49:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86254 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 00:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 00:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12804.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 00:49:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20030925004924.53210.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.73.5] by web12804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:49:24 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Re: AM multipath To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- jimsmith95663 wrote: > Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:13:03 -0000 > From: "jimsmith95663" > To: "Kevin T." > Subject: Re: AM multipath > > Hi Kevin Thats why am stereo is more poepuler in japan. The way i > understand it is that Japan is 90% hills. If i go to my local moutions > the serria navadas fm is just about totaly unrecevieable. Hoo knows > about IBOC am . Jim S __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 18:59:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43089 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 01:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 01:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 01:59:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2003 01:59:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:59:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: baseball on FM station today... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 209 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key San Diego Padres are on KOOL 95.7 Oldies station today only.... they sound better with stereo. I wish KOGO (or actually XPRS Mighty 1090 since they'll be there next season) could turn on the C-QUAM exciter. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 19:22:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80278 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 02:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 02:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 02:22:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2003 02:22:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 02:22:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: baseball on FM station today... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 594 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > San Diego Padres are on KOOL 95.7 Oldies station today only.... they > sound better with stereo. I wish KOGO (or actually XPRS Mighty 1090 > since they'll be there next season) could turn on the C-QUAM exciter. I wouldn't expect 1090 to go C-QUAM stereo-- If I'm not mistaken, it's owned by the owners of XETRA "The Mighty 690", which last I recall was Kahn Communications, Inc.-- Leonard Kahn, himself. Oh, and a coupole nights ago, I was getting a strong falsing from 1090. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 19:38:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23358 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 02:38:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 02:38:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80512.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 02:38:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20030925023840.61287.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.109] by web80512.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:38:40 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Interesting AM characteristics To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW At night, if you have station 1, reasonable groundwave, with signal 2 moderate skywave and you have interference that will be objectionable. If the 2 stations are ALMOST but not EXACTLY the same frequency, you will get the same effect as groundwave / skywave cancellation. I found this out playing with a signal generator and by accident got it almost on frequency. When it drifted to absolute "zero beat" it was fine, but when it started drifting off, yep, sounded like MY signal generator had skywave on IT ...... NOT! Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 20:33:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55822 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 03:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 03:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 03:33:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2003 03:33:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 03:33:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Interesting AM characteristics Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030925023840.61287.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1941 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > When it drifted to absolute "zero beat" it was fine, but when it > started drifting off, yep, sounded like MY signal generator had > skywave on IT ...... NOT! It is true that a lot of the nighttime interference on the North American AM band is caused by stations' carrier frequencies each being a few Hz off from each other. In Europe, government-owned radio networks typically run all their AM transmitters with synchronized carrier frequencies, eliminating this problem. If multiple stations are being received on a single frequency at night, you won't get the same kind of fluttering, warbling, and phasing problems like we have here -- you'll just hear a mix of audio from the different stations. Universal use of synchronized carrier frequencies would also eliminate most of AM Stereo's "platform motion" problems -- a fact that Broadcast Electronics (B.E.) pointed out in its AM Stereo literature back in 1984. But for now, the best any station can do is identify the co-channel station most likely to interfere with it at night, and match its carrier frequency to be as close as possible to that other station's. For example, when I ran my low-power AM Stereo transmitter on 1500 kHz, at night I would start getting some interference from 1500 WTOP in the background, since WTOP puts a very healthy skywave up into NJ at night. So, I used the trim-pot on my "Alfredo Lite" to adjust my transmitter's carrier frequency to be as close to WTOP's as I could manage. At that point, the "flutting" or "swimming" effect caused by the difference in the two carrier frequencies was reduced to a slow "roll"... indicating that my carrier was now only about 1 or 2 Hz off from WTOP's. iBiquity says all IBOC stations will have their carrier frequencies synchronized, via GPS... but until *all* stations synchronize their carriers to GPS as well, that is of little or no use at reducing co-channel interference. From dac177@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 20:43:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dac177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23106 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 03:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 03:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40807.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.184) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 03:43:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20030925034324.56374.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.193.95.245] by web40807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:43:24 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: baseball on FM station today... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Caroccio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159003839 X-Yahoo-Profile: dac177 --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > today only.... they > > sound better with stereo. I wish KOGO (or > actually XPRS Mighty > 1090 > > since they'll be there next season) could turn on > the C-QUAM > exciter. > > I wouldn't expect 1090 to go C-QUAM stereo-- If I'm > not mistaken, > it's owned by the owners of XETRA "The Mighty 690", > which last I > recall was Kahn Communications, Inc.-- Leonard Kahn, > himself. > ---okay then, since it is on the other side of the border---away from the FCC---do you think they could possibly consider KAHN ISB? :P > > David __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dac177@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 20:54:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dac177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8518 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 03:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 03:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40807.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.184) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 03:54:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20030925035435.57722.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.193.95.245] by web40807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:54:35 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} good graveyard groundwave (Re: KKOB in stereo???) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Caroccio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159003839 X-Yahoo-Profile: dac177 --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > From some coastal locations in San Diego, CA, I can > get KTLK 1340 from > Santa Barbara with a decent daytime signal from 180 > miles away and > it's only 650 watts. I can also sometimes hear it > at night over other > graveyarders (from near the ocean, that is). > I too, have experienced a simular effect, in San Felipe, Baha Ca. Where during the day I did pick up KBLU (YUMA AZ) and KFI (LA Cal) with quite a good signal response. I was though however on the beach of San Felipe. David __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 21:01:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95766 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 04:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 04:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 04:01:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2003 04:01:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:01:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: baseball on FM station today... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030925034324.56374.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 615 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, David Caroccio wrote: =snip= > > ---okay then, since it is on the other side of the > border---away from the FCC---do you think they could > possibly consider KAHN ISB? :P That was exactly why Kahn started XETRA in the late 1960s- He didn't want the FCC to tell him not to broadcast in ISB, which he did up to at least 1988. Even in falsing, ISB would cause some separation in a C-QUAM detection- I detected no stereo whatsoever on either 690 or 1090. But I WOULD think 690 and 1090 to be where Cam-D might be experimented with first. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dac177@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 21:24:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dac177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36871 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 04:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 04:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40811.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.188) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 04:24:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20030925042406.91293.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.193.95.245] by web40811.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:24:06 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Letter re: AMS circulating To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Caroccio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159003839 X-Yahoo-Profile: dac177 If you guys, and gals, look in the files dir. at the forum, the document ".doc" posted by me, dac177, this letter, along with a small text att. added is slowly being circulated, be myself. It has been sent to the following AM stations: KFI 640--LA CA, KOMO 1000---Seattle,WABC---NY, NY,790---Miami, FL, and M. Powell @ the FCC. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dac177@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 21:59:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dac177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11304 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 04:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 04:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40808.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.185) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 04:59:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20030925045936.1160.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.193.95.245] by web40808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:59:36 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: good sample rate to record AMS from SRF-42/tape? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030924173929.35668.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Caroccio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159003839 X-Yahoo-Profile: dac177 --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- David Caroccio wrote: > > > I have found a severe problem with the SRF-42 > when trying to receive > local/ > > semi local stations at or around sunset... it's > > called > > multipath reception, which reaks havoc on the > stereo > > reprodution of this station (1110 KDIS)... yet I > > live > > in Fontana... so this may not be true for your > > area... > > > I'm not sure what you are trying to say. AM doesn't > have a "multipath" problem...that's something that > FM > is often plagued by. Can you be more descriptive? > > Powell > > I am sorry---wrong term to use :(. I am talking about receiving the groundwave AND skywave (from the same st.) at the same time. The effect it causes on my SRF-42 seems to be more pronounced in the winter than in the summer. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 22:42:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41460 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 05:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 05:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 05:42:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2003 05:42:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 05:42:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: MW multipath Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030925045936.1160.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 259 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie A second form of multipath that occurs is when one receives two skywave reflections from different directions from the same station, which produce an echo effect. This is especially pronounced on shortwave, but occurs on mediumwave, too. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 22:50:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73323 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 05:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 05:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 05:50:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2003 05:50:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 05:50:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MW multipath Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 617 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > A second form of multipath that occurs is when one receives two > skywave reflections from different directions from the same > station, which produce an echo effect. This is especially > pronounced on shortwave, but occurs on mediumwave, too. BTW, I assume lightning static crashes are propagated by skywave as well as man-made signals, right? I mention this because I've noticed that lightning crashes always seem to be more prevalent in the Expanded Band than lower down in the AM band, and I hear them even when there are no thunderstorms within a few hundred miles of my location (i.e. during winter). From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 23:27:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64197 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 06:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 06:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 06:27:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2003 06:27:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:27:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MW multipath Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1041 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > A second form of multipath that occurs is when one receives two > > skywave reflections from different directions from the same > > station, which produce an echo effect. This is especially > > pronounced on shortwave, but occurs on mediumwave, too. > > BTW, I assume lightning static crashes are propagated by skywave as > well as man-made signals, right? I mention this because I've > noticed that lightning crashes always seem to be more prevalent in > the Expanded Band than lower down in the AM band, and I hear them > even when there are no thunderstorms within a few hundred miles of > my location (i.e. during winter). Yes; and the phenomenon of lightning DX really does start at 1000 kHz (1 MHz), which is about where mediumwave strarts transitioning to shortwave. Now, if Part 15ers could start taking over the lower SW bands, where alot of domestic services have left, even with the noise level. (Just a random thought.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 01:18:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41039 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 08:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 08:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 08:18:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2003 08:18:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:18:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MW multipath Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 479 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Now, if Part 15ers could start taking over the lower SW bands, > where alot of domestic services have left, even with the noise > level. (Just a random thought.) They would if they could! Under the current Part 15 regulations, the only part of the shortwave band in which any kind of useful power output is allowed is a thin slice of the 13 MHz band -- and even then, the power limit is a lot less than for Part 15 operation in the Longwave, AM/Mediumwave, and FM bands. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 01:42:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93740 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 08:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 08:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 08:42:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2003 08:42:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:42:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MW multipath Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2049 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Now, if Part 15ers could start taking over the lower SW bands, > > where alot of domestic services have left, even with the noise > > level. (Just a random thought.) > > They would if they could! Under the current Part 15 regulations, > the only part of the shortwave band in which any kind of useful power > output is allowed is a thin slice of the 13 MHz band -- and even > then, the power limit is a lot less than for Part 15 operation in > the Longwave, AM/Mediumwave, and FM bands. Actually, as the Part 15 regs go, MW power levels and antenna restrictions are no different than the rest of the 30kHz-10MHz spread, with the exception of the 160-190 kHz LW patch and the 13 MHz sliver, that is, about 100 mW and an approximately 3 meter antenna, with the LW chunk up to one whole watt and a total antenna length of 15 feet. I'm not sure just what the power level for the 13 MHz sliver is, but it seems like it's either close to 1 watt or perhaps up to 3. It's a common misconception that you can't do Part 15 outside of the LW, MW and 13 MHz patches, but there are no less than 2 different regulations covering Part 15 usage of the AM broadcast band, and a separate, similar regulation for 1.7-10 MHz at similar power (only sideband strength is measured differently), but NO Part 15 emissions above 10 MHZ until the 26 MHz CB band, except for the 13 MHz patch. (Reason why: radio astronomy.) 0-9 kHz is also Part 15 as well. The general rule of thumb, though, is not to cause interference with existing services as intentional radiators. This is why I made the suggestion that Part 15ers might want to consider the bands between 2 and 3.5 MHz, where maring mobil services and other services previously been alotted to use in the US, not largely abandoned (EXCEPT the ham bands) be considered for such experimental broadcasting. In particular the low-band "tropical" shortwave broadcast bands. Again, just a thought. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 02:09:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16236 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 09:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 09:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 09:09:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2003 09:09:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:09:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Part 15 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 350 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie As discussed, Part 15 does allow usage in the shortwave spectrum, as well as LW, the AM broadcast band, and the 13 MHz sliver. Here is an index to the Part 15 regs: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_01/47cfr15_01.html Of interest are sections 15.217, 219, 221 and 223, with additional regs being 15.205, 209 and 215. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Sep 25 06:36:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67323 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 13:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 13:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 13:36:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2003 13:36:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:36:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Grundig YB 400 - AM Stereo and DRM capable! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 670 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 220.240.128.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day, I recently stumbled across this link, which shows how to modify the Grundig Yacht Boy 400 for DRM use (eg 455 IF tap) http://www.drmrx.org/mods/grundig_yacht_boy_400_highres_1_en.pdf This should also allow AM Stereo operation with one of Chris Cuff's decoders (I think). I have just bought one (new in box) on Ebay for $95 - there is one more available if anyone is interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3049281437 There is also the Yacht Boy 400PE for $115 (same radio + AC power supply and silver look finish) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3048828833 I hope someone benefits from this! Cheers, Matt From jim@burgan.net Thu Sep 25 06:57:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52552 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 13:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 13:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-3.iquest.net) (206.246.180.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 13:57:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 18729 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 13:57:04 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-3.iquest.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 13:57:04 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-02.iquest.net [209.43.58.2]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id ANX03198; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:57:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006d01c3836c$e7083fd0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:57:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > P.S. MJR, your audio samples of KEVA sound darn good to me. I > checked out Radiolocator, and according to it, KEVA has rather > impressive groundwave coverage for a graveyarder. Do you folks have > really good ground conductivity there? The coverage maps on Radio-Locator are not very accurate. They give a 1kw station on 1240 kHz the same groundwave plot as a 1kW station on 1210 kHz (assuming ground conductivity remains a constant). 1240 kHz is a Class IV (graveyard) and 1210 is a USA Clear, so the plots, while technically accurate don't take skywave interference into consideration. The best soil conductivity in the world won't help those graveyard stations overcome the horrible noise platform. Here's another example: There is a daytimer nearby on 1010 kHz with night-time power of 13 watts. If you look at the RF plot on RL, it shows pretty fair coverage with those 13 watts, but in reality, CFRB (Toronto) and WINS (New York) clobber them if you're more than a mile or two from the transmitter site. In fact, sitting at the base of their antenna you can still hear CFRB and WINS plainly under the local station's audio. From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Sep 25 07:48:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9169 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 14:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 14:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 14:48:35 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:48:35 -0600 Message-ID: <001601c38374$192eac40$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:48:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Phil Honestly I can't say ground conductivity is great. Just plain old clay soil and sagebrush. We're up on a hill a little bit but I can't see that really helping things. And with all the mountains around here...that probably would actually hurt coverage more than help it. As far as I've seen, when our tubes are new and we're actually cranking out our full authorized 880 watts....coverage goes for about 60 to 70 miles in all directions.....depending on your radio's sensitivity and how much static you'll tolerate :) DAYTIME, that is. Night time sucks as usual. The other night I was coming home from Utah and it's about 15 miles at night at then it's gone. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: tubesareking To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:43 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? P.S. MJR, your audio samples of KEVA sound darn good to me. I checked out Radiolocator, and according to it, KEVA has rather impressive groundwave coverage for a graveyarder. Do you folks have really good ground conductivity there? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Sep 25 08:04:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62474 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 15:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 15:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 15:04:42 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:04:42 -0600 Message-ID: <002001c38376$59add550$5401010a@AM> To: References: <006d01c3836c$e7083fd0$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:04:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Funny you should mention that, Jim. In Salt Lake City there's a 1010....transmitter is actually in Salt Lake although the station is licensed to Tooele, Utah....some 40 miles away. At night their authorized power is also 13 watts. They don't even reach their city of license at night. Surprisingly enough they can be heard okay in Ogden, Utah at night...some 30 miles to the north. Their transmitter is west of Salt Lake City out towards Salt Lake International Airport....where there's lots of salt content in the soil. It's not very far from the Great Salt Lake. So there, maybe some ground conductivity DOES help....but still doesn't get them into Tooele at night. Get outside of Salt Lake and all you get is pretty much CBR from Calgary. I get them quite frequently here at night. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 7:57 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} KKOB in stereo??? > P.S. MJR, your audio samples of KEVA sound darn good to me. I > checked out Radiolocator, and according to it, KEVA has rather > impressive groundwave coverage for a graveyarder. Do you folks have > really good ground conductivity there? The coverage maps on Radio-Locator are not very accurate. They give a 1kw station on 1240 kHz the same groundwave plot as a 1kW station on 1210 kHz (assuming ground conductivity remains a constant). 1240 kHz is a Class IV (graveyard) and 1210 is a USA Clear, so the plots, while technically accurate don't take skywave interference into consideration. The best soil conductivity in the world won't help those graveyard stations overcome the horrible noise platform. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 10:40:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41335 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 17:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 17:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 17:40:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2003 17:40:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:40:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Letter re: AMS circulating Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030925042406.91293.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If you guys, and gals, look in the files dir. at the > forum, the document ".doc" posted by me, dac177, this > letter, along with a small text att. added is slowly > being circulated, be myself. It has been sent to the > following AM stations: > KFI 640--LA CA, KOMO 1000---Seattle,WABC---NY, > NY,790---Miami, FL, and M. Powell @ the FCC. Frankly speaking, that letter will do no good because it's too confrontational and rambles on in one long paragraph, with assorted spelling, grammar, and punctuation mistakes. You do have some good points, but in order for such a letter to even be READ by its recipients rather than just ignored and discarded, it needs to be written in a professional, polite, and clearly readable manner. In this Forum, a "T-shirt and jeans" style of writing and discussion is fine, but in order to have any positive effect, a letter to radio stations, corporations, and the FCC needs to adopt a "suit and tie" approach -- and it should preferably be printed out and mailed, rather than just e-mailed. Of course, even the best-written letter in the world won't guarantee any success -- but it will at least improve your chances of being heard and considered. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Sep 25 11:02:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14411 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 18:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2003 18:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 18:02:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2003 18:02:28 -0000 Date: 25 Sep 2003 18:02:27 -0000 Message-ID: <1064512947.38335.45158.w66@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/570KLAC.MP3 Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : The WW1 Adult Standards jingle package for 570 KLAC in (((STEREO))) You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/570KLAC.MP3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 08:01:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44014 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2003 15:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2003 15:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2003 15:01:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2003 15:01:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:01:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC demo in Philly Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2335 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com... of course, it makes no mention of the excellent AM Stereo sound that Philadelphia-area stations 950 WPEN, 1210 WPHT, and 1310 WEMG have been broadcasting for years! I'll keep my ears on 860 WWDB; if they transmit IBOC, unfortunately it will totally wipe out my DX reception of AM Stereo Oldies station 850 WREF, as well as 840 WVPO, and will likely even add an annoying hiss in the background of 880 WCBS. Big HD Radio Plans Afoot HD Radio proponents are preparing for a big splash next week at the radio show - to jumpstart the conversion. Live demos are planned on Philadelphia stations and Kenwood is ready to ship the first batch of HD Radios so broadcasters now using the technology can hear the digital quality. Kenwood has delivered the first run of 1,000 HD Radios to Ibiquity. The digital radio developer will take tuner pre-orders from broadcasters using its technology next week at the NAB Radio Show. The Kenwood KTC-HR100 tuners will be used by stations for internal listening and consumer awareness promotions. Additionally, Ibiquity will make tuners available to media for reviewer demonstrations. Shipment from Ibiquity of the KTC-HR100 tuners will coincide with a software upgrade in October with Ibiquity's new codec. Kenwood expects to have HD Radios available for shipping to retailers in volume in January. Also, broadcasters can hear HD Radio broadcasts at the NAB Radio Show. At booth 317, Broadcast Electronics will have a Kenwood HD Radio receiver tuned to 92.5 WXTU(FM). The Beasley Broadcast Group station will be broadcasting HD Radio using a BE FMi 1405 transmitter package. During the week, the group will also air HD Radio on 860 WWDB(AM) using a BE ASi 10 HD Radio signal generator in front of an existing Harris DX 10 transmitter. The ASi 10 is on loan to WWDB(AM) temporarily for the NAB Radio Show. WXTU(FM) will convert to HD Radio by combining digital and analog signals in one high-powered transmitter, BE's FMi 1405. The FMi 1405 is capable of outputting 14kW FM+HD Radio combined or 5.6kW HD Radio only, and will be used by WXTU(FM) in common amplification mode along with the BE FXi 60 digital exciter and BE FSi 10 signal generator. BE equipment is used in five of the group's six stations converted to HD Radio so far. From alinton@iol.ie Fri Sep 26 09:07:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36796 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2003 16:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2003 16:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail05.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net) (159.134.118.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2003 16:07:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 57441 messnum 4332927 invoked from network[193.120.94.32/waterfordcity-adsl.adsl.esat.net]); 26 Sep 2003 16:07:29 -0000 Received: from waterfordcity-adsl.adsl.esat.net (HELO linton.iol.ie) (193.120.94.32) by mail05.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 57441) with SMTP; 26 Sep 2003 16:07:29 -0000 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20030926170611.01b6de60@gpo.iol.ie> X-Sender: alinton@gpo.iol.ie X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:07:17 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SRF-A300 audio? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Hi all, I just acquired a Sony SRF-A300 - nice radio even if all the lettering is in Japanese! The audio sounds a little dull to me, wonder does anyone have a circuit so I might modify it slightly, or has anyone done this? Thanks ----------------------------------- Andy Linton Waterford, Ireland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 09:27:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 245 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2003 16:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2003 16:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2003 16:27:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2003 16:27:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:27:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF-A300 audio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20030926170611.01b6de60@gpo.iol.ie> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 851 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The audio sounds a little dull to me, wonder does anyone have a > circuit so I might modify it slightly, or has anyone done this? The SRF-A300 uses a large bass boost in order to make the built-in speakers sound good. However, this is not defeated when using the headphone output, so it will often sound too bassy and lacking in treble. If you listen with headphones, the solution I've found is to simply get a pair of small "ear-buds". These are naturally weak on the bass and strong on the treble, so with the SRF-A300's EQ curve, you end up with a well-matched sound that makes its AM sound more crisp and clear. In that case you retain the benefit of the good selectivity that the SRF-A300 provides; with the help of a tuned loop antenna (like a Select-A-Tenna or Terk AM Advantage), it becomes a great radio for AM Stereo DXing. From brian60420@yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 09:28:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68167 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2003 16:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2003 16:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80601.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2003 16:28:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20030926162809.60826.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.24.179.27] by web80601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:28:09 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Robbins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's someone (in the industry) who agrees with me on powering up the "loc= als" and opening up the bandwidth per channel. =20 http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/special-report/05_rwrf_sept_1_part= _1.shtml jsgilst wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Brian Robbins wrote: >=20 The FCC ruined AM fidelity many years ago when they limited spacing to 10kHZ and not 15kHz. Analog AM today is now a "giant interference fest free-for-all" with no regard for guard band spacing like with FM or power control to stay within your own market. >=20 > I doubt the FCC will agree to retune the AM band just for the sake of fidelity or interference improvement. While the number of FM stations has tripled, the number of AM stations has risen only marginally. Mainly because of the 50 KWs who overpower the nation. Do we really need stations that cover 40 states anymore? >=20 >I've thought of that many times in a couple of schemes. If it was to happe= n the FCC would have needed to require all digital >radios to tune in 5KHz steps before they were introduced >into >the market. This way the tuners would have been able to >tune >either a 10KHz or 15KHz channel spacing if a migration >was to >occur. With a 5KHz step and a =B17.5KHz ceramic filter >radios >could run in a vestigal sideband mode of 2.5/12.5KHz and >stations >could transmit a mono high fidelity signal in only 75% >of the >bandwidth of the DSB =B110.2KHz signal; this would >increase fidelity >while reducing bandwidth. Although the ownership of >stations >would not lend itself to a mixed spacing but if this was >planned=20 >ahead of time the low end of the band could have >stations spaced >5KHz apart and be used for news & weather with a 5KHz >audio BW,=20 >the middle band used for talk shows and sports with >10KHz channel >spacing and 10KHz audio BW, and the top band for music >with a >channel spacing of 15Kz spacing and 15KHz audio BW. Just >my >thoughts though. The current entrenchment of station >ownership=20 >along with all those DTRs already in existence would >make this=20 >kind of migration painful. >JSG Yahoo! 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Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alinton@iol.ie Fri Sep 26 10:50:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86829 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2003 17:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2003 17:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davros) (194.125.42.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2003 17:50:20 -0000 Received: from Spooler by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO000346; 26 Sep 03 18:50:20 +0100 Received: from spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 26 Sep 03 18:50:04 +0100 Received: from FR1.totalbroadcast.net (192.168.0.1) by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG000345; 26 Sep 03 18:49:57 +0100 X-MSReally-From: alinton@iol.ie Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20030926184921.021068a0@fr1> X-Sender: alinton@fr1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:49:55 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A300 audio? In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.0.22.2.20030926170611.01b6de60@gpo.iol.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good point Kevin, but it would be nice to get some more top end out of the speakers too. rgds At 17:27 26/09/2003, you wrote: > > The audio sounds a little dull to me, wonder does anyone have a > > circuit so I might modify it slightly, or has anyone done this? > >The SRF-A300 uses a large bass boost in order to make the built-in >speakers sound good. However, this is not defeated when using the >headphone output, so it will often sound too bassy and lacking in >treble. > >If you listen with headphones, the solution I've found is to simply >get a pair of small "ear-buds". These are naturally weak on the bass >and strong on the treble, so with the SRF-A300's EQ curve, you end up >with a well-matched sound that makes its AM sound more crisp and >clear. > >In that case you retain the benefit of the good selectivity that the >SRF-A300 provides; with the help of a tuned loop antenna (like a >Select-A-Tenna or Terk AM Advantage), it becomes a great radio for >AM Stereo DXing. > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------- Andy Linton Waterford, Ireland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 11:22:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58165 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2003 18:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2003 18:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2003 18:22:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20030926182254.67147.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.213] by web41209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:22:54 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A300 audio? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Its equal to the GE Superadio on the AM section but not that good on FM let alone it only goes to 92mHz but an excellent AM section. Michael --- "Kevin T." wrote: > In that case you retain the benefit of the good > selectivity that the > SRF-A300 provides; with the help of a tuned loop > antenna (like a > Select-A-Tenna or Terk AM Advantage), it becomes a > great radio for > AM Stereo DXing. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Sep 26 13:11:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83861 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2003 20:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2003 20:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2003 20:11:02 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.150]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:12:31 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01c3846a$36a3a540$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <6.0.0.22.2.20030926170611.01b6de60@gpo.iol.ie> Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-A300 audio? Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:10:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 These radios have a much more aggressive filter in the IF stage, so the bandwidth is a lot more narrow. I put a 10 pf cap in series with a switch, across the filter to go between "barn door" and narrow. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Linton To: Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 12:07 PM Subject: {AMSF} SRF-A300 audio? > > >Hi all, > > > I just acquired a Sony SRF-A300 - nice radio even if all the lettering is > in Japanese! > > The audio sounds a little dull to me, wonder does anyone have a circuit so > I might modify it slightly, or has anyone done this? > > Thanks From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Sep 26 14:22:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78147 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2003 21:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2003 21:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2003 21:22:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2003 21:22:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:22:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030926162809.60826.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3108 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Brian Robbins wrote: > Here's someone (in the industry) who agrees with me on powering up the "locals" and opening up the bandwidth per channel. > > http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/special-report/05_rwrf_sept_1_part_1.shtml Mr. Jordan may be "in the industry" but his statements appear to be nonsense, or at best he doesn't even attempt to justify his claims. Mr. Jordan states; "Return the locals to 250 watts at night and they'll have much greater local coverage." Mr. Jordan doesn't give the slightest hint of why this claim might be true? Common sense tells us that raising or lowering the power of all locals together isn't going to affect co channel interference, because the desired and undesired signals will go up and down proportionately. At best there would be no change in local coverage if the locals were de powered, and at worst there would be some loss of local coverage resulting from de powering, due to increased interference from adjacent channel regional stations which would not be de powered, and interference from other sources such as electrical machinery and whatnot. Mr. Jordan also states; "Let the receiver manufacturers open the intermediate frequency bandwidth to 12 kHz and you'll hear quality -- and it costs nothing but removing the NRSC band -- limiting filter and throwing it away." There are a couple of points, first, the "NRSC band -- limiting filter" is not the limiting factor here, the limiting factor with the vast majority of AM radios is the bandwidth of the radio, not the "NRSC filter" at the transmitter, so there is nothing preventing the receiver manufacturers from opening up the response of their radios, except the perception of the receiver manufacturers that this would not be the best thing to do. This has been a problem since at least the 1930s, when there were many complaints that receiver bandwidth had become too narrow. I don't see any point in increasing the bandwidth beyond the present "NRSC" limit, until the receiver manufacturers show some interest in taking advantage of the bandwidth that's already there. Also it is worth noting that over the years there have been stations that have advocated just the opposite, namely that stations be restricted to a bandwidth of plus/minus 5 kHz, so there are those that feel just the opposite of Mr. Jordan. If a regulation were in place restricting the bandwidth to plus/minus 5 kHz, there would be no need to worry about IBOC replacing analog AM. Finally, could someone clarify what Mr. Jordan means when he speaks of an intermediate frequency bandwidth of 12 kHz? In a traditional AM receiver the audio bandwidth is half the IF bandwidth, so a 12 kHz IF bandwidth would result in a 6 kHz audio bandwidth, which doesn't even take full advantage of the bandwidth allowed by the present "NRSC" standards. I know there are issues related to the rate of roll-off beyond the specified IF bandwidth, but I find the way IF bandwidth is spoken of here to be confusing at best. John From spt87a@yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 16:46:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spt87a@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77173 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2003 23:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2003 23:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2003 23:46:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2003 23:46:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:46:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030926162809.60826.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2068 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "spt87a" X-Originating-IP: 204.110.135.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=160273779 X-Yahoo-Profile: spt87a --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Brian Robbins wrote: > Here's someone (in the industry) who agrees with me on powering up the "locals" and opening up the bandwidth per channel. > > http://www.radioworld.com/reference-room/special- report/05_rwrf_sept_1_part_1.shtml Maybe if HD/IBOC is a widely adopted success and the receivers can lock on to a local station even with 2, 3 or more stations competing, this might be the way to go. Again, IF the digital can hold up under poor conditions while reaching the entire market. For analog - and likely IBOC as well - I still argue the AM band is best suited for clear and regional stations. More stations = more interference. Less power = unable to serve entire market and more electrical/electronic noise. The AM band was designed to cover large areas. In 1920 the concern was to ensure everyone in the country could receive something so they would buy a radio. Locating it where it is in the spectrum fit this goal perfectly. The later implementation of AM locals was a poor solution that ignored the laws of physics for providing small towns service. The then emerging FM band is perfect for local service - no signals bouncing down at night, capture effect to lock in local stations, terrain blocks the signal, etc. Many FMs were allocated to suberbs/small towns to provide "local" service, but ended up programing for the nearby major city (like many small AMs attempt with much less success). All AM re-allocation as you propose would give us is crappy, noisy AM 24 hours a day. Unable to reach entire markets, the even less viable band would give us more Dr. Laura (which would cut out half way across town) and hand the valuable news, talk and sports franchises the heritage clear and regional AMs have created to FM on a silver platter. Let's not sink the stations keeping the band afloat - clears and regionals. Clean up the local channels and give the survivors more power and less co/adjacent channel competition so they can thrive. - Scott From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 16:59:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48492 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2003 23:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2003 23:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2003 23:59:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2003 23:59:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:59:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1613 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Common sense tells us that raising or lowering the power of all > locals together isn't going to affect co channel interference, > because the desired and undesired signals will go up and down > proportionately. Yeah... that's what the FCC said when they let the "graveyard channel" stations jump from 250W to 1000W at night. But real-world experience has proven this to be false -- it leads to even greater congestion and even higher interference levels, as anybody who listens to (or *tries* to listen to) these stations after sunset can tell you. Similarly, they thought that adding a few dozen "flea-power" stations to the clear channels at night wouldn't hurt anything -- but they have; now, instead of 50,000-watt 1120 KMOX at night here in NJ, I get some Spanish station in Connecticut that's supposed to be running 250 watts at night, but comes in as if *they* are the protected clear channel station. Now, the latest frontier is the Expanded Band. The FCC set up an allocation scheme based upon non-directional signals with a nighttime power of 1 kW or less. Now, a few of these stations (like 1660 WWRU in the NYC area) are already starting to switch to directional 10 kW nighttime signals. Skywave interference is already a huge problem in the Expanded Band, with stations from 1000+ miles away frequently wiping out other stations' local reception (like 1680 WLAA from Florida clobbering NJ's 1680 WTTM within their own local listening area). Now, if all these stations got a tenfold nighttime power increase, I sincerely doubt that it wouldn't have any negative effect. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 17:52:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41153 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 00:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 00:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 00:52:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2003 00:52:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:52:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1867 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Common sense tells us that raising or lowering the power of all > > locals together isn't going to affect co channel interference, > > because the desired and undesired signals will go up and down > > proportionately. > > Yeah... that's what the FCC said when they let the "graveyard > channel" stations jump from 250W to 1000W at night. But real-world > experience has proven this to be false -- it leads to even greater > congestion and even higher interference levels, as anybody who > listens to (or *tries* to listen to) these stations after sunset can > tell you. Imagine, if you will: you're in a hotel room, quietly tapping on the table. Anyone in your room can hear the tapping without problem. Suddenly, some loud bozo in the next room starts pounding the walls, LOUDLY, for no apparent reason. It drowns out your table-tapping. To retaliate, you decide to pound on the wall equally as loud, hoping you're drowning out the loud bozo on the other side. All the rest of those in your room hear is a cacophony of pounding from both sides, not drowning out the other in their own space. They leave for quieter pastures. Radio is much the same way: If your station ups its power to overcome another's strong signal, all you're going to create are headaches for everyone. This is the mistake the FCC made a number of years ago. Both sides need to tone it down so both can be heard in their respective listening areas. ...or I should say all stations EXCEPT those that need to cover a large region. Turn down the power, everybody, for everyone's sake, and we could make AM a better place for everyone to be heard without losing a single station. Otherwise, it's just a shouting match where no-one can hear over everybody else's screaming. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Fri Sep 26 18:06:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44782 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 01:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 01:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 01:06:37 -0000 Message-ID: <004f01c38494$30842a20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030926.091050.240.2.w6yn@juno.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} National Taxpayers Union Urges Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:10:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Normally I agree with them, but not on this. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "W6YN Don Milbury" > FYI: > National Taxpayers Union Urges the House to Oppose the Re-regulation of > Television Media Ownership From stodd@vippn.com Fri Sep 26 18:12:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85911 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 01:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 01:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 01:12:24 -0000 Message-ID: <005d01c38494$ff5395c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MW multipath Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:16:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude > > They would if they could! Under the current Part 15 regulations, > > the only part of the shortwave band in which any kind of useful > power > > output is allowed is a thin slice of the 13 MHz band -- and even > > then, the power limit is a lot less than for Part 15 operation in > > the Longwave, AM/Mediumwave, and FM bands. Wrongo- FM is limited to about one milliwatt- enough for 250 uV/m at 3m (~10ft.) > > Actually, as the Part 15 regs go, MW power levels and antenna > restrictions are no different than the rest of the 30kHz-10MHz > spread, with the exception of the 160-190 kHz LW patch and the 13 MHz > sliver, that is, about 100 mW and an approximately 3 meter antenna, > with the LW chunk up to one whole watt and a total antenna length of > 15 feet. I'm not sure just what the power level for the 13 MHz sliver > is, but it seems like it's either close to 1 watt or perhaps up to 3. LW part 15 is 1W input power with a maximum 50' radiator; 13MHz SW has field intensity limits similar to the AM band- IIRC 20uV/m at one mile. Scott Todd From stodd@vippn.com Fri Sep 26 18:20:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98591 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 01:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 01:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 01:20:43 -0000 Message-ID: <006301c38496$28f34be0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig YB 400 - AM Stereo and DRM capable! Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:24:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I doubt there's enough signal there for Chris's decoders to work, but you've certainly got the idea down right. Perhaps if they tried Chris's trick of putting a few pf of capacitance across the ceramic filter they could get the 12kHz BW they need without tapping such a low signal in the receiver. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "bofh2k2000" http://www.drmrx.org/mods/grundig_yacht_boy_400_highres_1_en.pdf > > This should also allow AM Stereo operation with one of Chris Cuff's > decoders (I think). From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 06:38:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2001 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 13:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 13:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80502.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.72) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 13:38:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20030927133836.93783.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:38:36 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} good graveyard groundwave (Re: KKOB in stereo???) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030925035435.57722.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Caroccio wrote: > > --- pianoplayer88key > wrote: > > From some coastal locations in San Diego, CA, I > can > > get KTLK 1340 from > > Santa Barbara with a decent daytime signal from > 180 > > miles away and > > it's only 650 watts. I can also sometimes hear it > > at night over other > > graveyarders (from near the ocean, that is). > I too, have experienced a simular effect, in San > Felipe, Baha Ca. Where during the day I did pick up > KBLU (YUMA AZ) and KFI (LA Cal) with quite a good > signal response. I was though however on the beach > of > San Felipe. > David Don't forget that conductivity over seawater is ( loud drum roll please ) 5000, yes FIVE THOUSAND !! On the beach at Edisto Beach SC among the jumble, often the 1240 at St. Augustine FL can be heard... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 06:46:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91008 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 13:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 13:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80508.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 13:46:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20030927134617.55967.qmail@web80508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:46:17 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: good sample rate to record AMS from SRF-42/tape? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030925045936.1160.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- David Caroccio wrote: > > --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > --- David Caroccio wrote: > > > > I have found a severe problem with the SRF-42 > > when trying to receive > > local/ > > > semi local stations at or around sunset... it's > > > called > > > multipath reception, which reaks havoc on the > > stereo > > > reprodution of this station (1110 KDIS)... yet I > > > live > > > in Fontana... so this may not be true for your > > > area... > > > > > > I'm not sure what you are trying to say. AM > doesn't > > have a "multipath" problem...that's something that > > FM > > is often plagued by. Can you be more descriptive? > > > > Powell > > > > I am sorry---wrong term to use :(. I am talking > about receiving the groundwave AND skywave (from the > same st.) at the same time. The effect it causes on > my > SRF-42 seems to be more pronounced in the winter > than > in the summer. And of course ground conductivity is better in the winter.... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 06:49:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28389 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 13:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 13:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80507.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 13:49:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20030927134901.46884.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:49:01 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} MW multipath To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > A second form of multipath that occurs is when one > receives two > skywave reflections from different directions from > the same station, > which produce an echo effect. This is especially > pronounced on > shortwave, but occurs on mediumwave, too. It's really interesting ( I'm a ham ) when also your signal ( usually 20 meters...14 megahertz) goes ALL the way around the world and when you let off the microphone switch you hear the last bit of what YOU said... Powell > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 06:51:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19563 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 13:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 13:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80504.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 13:51:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20030927135108.20011.qmail@web80504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:51:08 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MW multipath To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > A second form of multipath that occurs is when one > receives two > > skywave reflections from different directions from > the same > > station, which produce an echo effect. This is > especially > > pronounced on shortwave, but occurs on mediumwave, > too. > BTW, I assume lightning static crashes are > propagated by skywave as > well as man-made signals, right? I mention this > because I've > noticed that lightning crashes always seem to be > more prevalent in > the Expanded Band than lower down in the AM band, > and I hear them > even when there are no thunderstorms within a few > hundred miles of > my location (i.e. during winter). Absolutely...even so on shortwave on the lower frequencies... summertime down south can be especially bad. Kevin, where you are ....static is not 1/10 as bad where you are as down here !! Powell Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 06:53:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35791 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 13:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 13:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80511.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 13:53:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20030927135319.90709.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80511.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:53:19 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MW multipath To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > Now, if Part 15ers could start taking over the > lower SW bands, > > where alot of domestic services have left, even > with the noise > > level. (Just a random thought.) > They would if they could! Under the current Part 15 > regulations, > the only part of the shortwave band in which any > kind of useful power > output is allowed is a thin slice of the 13 MHz band > -- and even > then, the power limit is a lot less than for Part 15 > operation in > the Longwave, AM/Mediumwave, and FM bands. > Heck I'd like to even have a 1 KW SW station. Current minimum is 50KW with a prohibition of broadcasting to a domestic audience....and that prohibition comes from the 30's and a scare of Communism? Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Sep 27 06:54:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5110 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 13:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 13:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 13:54:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2003 13:53:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:53:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Who's going to NAB? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 89 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.96.109 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Anyone from the list going to NAB? Getting onto the floor to see all the toys is free. From oscar@globility.com Sat Sep 27 08:01:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96161 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 15:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 15:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 15:01:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2003 15:01:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:01:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2172 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "spt87a" wrote: > > Let's not sink the stations keeping the band afloat - clears and > regionals. Clean up the local channels and give the survivors more > power and less co/adjacent channel competition so they can thrive. > > - Scott I think it will eventually be demonstrated that the existing problem can be handled by an innovative receiver design. Up to now, beyond the Symphony chipset, and the Omega receiver design, there has been little happen within the receiver industry. I believe that to be due primarily on whom the broadcast industry looks to as a means to access its market. They don't care if its a Lennox portable or a Day Sequerra. All many of them care about is sounding "loud". And what receiver designer of any class at all would want to spend extra design time catering to those parameters anyway? None, unless there is a clear path to profitablity and that will not be in the sound. It will be in the services IBOC can make available, i.e. 5.1 surround sound on FM. But that is just another "planned option". And, with TI being the sole licenced chip manufacturer, and them supplying practically the entire tuner section, I would expect the final tab to be sizeable for those who want to update to the next levels of development. Hopefully, the codec will remain static(pardon the pun) which will allow first generation IBOC receivers to continue functioning. In Canada, only Panasonic ponied up the resources to help promote DAB on the street. But that died a natural death. I've heard Eureka DAB and it sounds wonderful .... just as good as another FM tuner with which I'm intimate. But its sound doesn't travel nearly as far as its FM counterpart. With that as an example, the receiver manufacturers whom broadcasters are relying heavily on for support, given the protracted time line for introduction of a viable IBOC, are more likely concentrating their interest in what is taking place in home theater, which is where the public is right now. And that sounds about right in a market-driven economy, wouldn't you say? My nickel's worth any how. M.S. From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Sep 27 08:36:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5138 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 15:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 15:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 15:36:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2003 15:36:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:36:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM multipath Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030925004924.53210.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 279 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules Who is this guy, and what are moutions? >Hi Kevin Thats why am stereo is more poepuler in japan. The way i >understand it is that Japan is 90% hills. If i go to my local >moutions the serria navadas fm is just about totaly unrecevieable. >Hoo knows about IBOC am . Jim S From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Sep 27 09:29:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77336 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 16:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 16:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 16:29:17 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h8RGT69L083295 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:29:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3F75B968.117AFE16@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:23:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Who's going to NAB? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 where is the NAB being Held this year and when??? wgliradio wrote: > Anyone from the list going to NAB? Getting onto the floor to see > all the toys is free. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Sep 27 09:33:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98433 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 16:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 16:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.31) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 16:33:10 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h8RGX09L084317 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:33:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3F75BA53.C974235C@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:26:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MW multipath References: <20030927135319.90709.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 50 Kw.. thats not a problem Powell Just get the License....... then we will have to find some land to Put the station On. I have a contential 317C coming My way in about a Year... we can get TimTron Wa1Hlr to Modifiy it to the frequencys we need.. this is for real not a joke.... Neal "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > Now, if Part 15ers could start taking over the > > lower SW bands, > > > where alot of domestic services have left, even > > with the noise > > > level. (Just a random thought.) > > > They would if they could! Under the current Part 15 > > regulations, > > the only part of the shortwave band in which any > > kind of useful power > > output is allowed is a thin slice of the 13 MHz band > > -- and even > > then, the power limit is a lot less than for Part 15 > > operation in > > the Longwave, AM/Mediumwave, and FM bands. > > > > Heck I'd like to even have a 1 KW SW station. Current > minimum is 50KW with a prohibition of broadcasting to > a domestic audience....and that prohibition comes from > the 30's and a scare of Communism? > > Powell > > ===== > powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 09:44:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46153 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 16:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 16:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 16:44:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2003 16:44:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:44:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} MW multipath Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030927134901.46884.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1548 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.98 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > A second form of multipath that occurs is when one > > receives two > > skywave reflections from different directions from > > the same station, > > which produce an echo effect. This is especially > > pronounced on > > shortwave, but occurs on mediumwave, too. > > > It's really interesting ( I'm a ham ) when also your > signal ( usually 20 meters...14 megahertz) goes ALL > the way around the world and when you let off the > microphone switch you hear the last bit of what YOU > said... Well, of course! It's only about 1/7th a light-second around the planet, it's only natural that if you're getting a good global bounce, you'll hear the echo. :) Since the classic definition of "multipath" is receiving a radio (or TV) signal from different directions, each from different distances-- and electromagnetic energy is NOT instantaneous-- you get distortion caused by the differential echos. Yes, FM does have multipath-- The common solution is to use two FM antennas in tandem, ideally about a carlength apart-- SW and AM do, too- Only on a much bigfger, and noticably echoey scale. There is no perfect solution for problemms inherent to the wireless situation, unless your broadcast system is completely wired--but even that is a fallacy, as cable companies will tell you! So, you ain't gonna defeat it, so why not make the best of it? :) Analog AM (in stereo)-- It works. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alinton@iol.ie Sat Sep 27 11:29:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92042 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 18:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 18:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davros) (194.125.42.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 18:29:27 -0000 Received: from Spooler by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO0003DA; 27 Sep 03 19:29:27 +0100 Received: from spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 27 Sep 03 19:28:59 +0100 Received: from FR1.totalbroadcast.net (192.168.0.1) by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG0003D9; 27 Sep 03 19:28:53 +0100 X-MSReally-From: alinton@iol.ie Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20030927192808.02389e50@fr1> X-Sender: alinton@fr1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:28:49 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-A300 audio? In-Reply-To: <002f01c3846a$36a3a540$0101a8c0@pavilion> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20030926170611.01b6de60@gpo.iol.ie> <002f01c3846a$36a3a540$0101a8c0@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, could you share the exact placement of the cap? And is it just this that accounts for the 300's dull audio? rgds At 21:10 26/09/2003, you wrote: >These radios have a much more aggressive filter in the IF stage, so the >bandwidth is a lot more narrow. I put a 10 pf cap in series with a switch, >across the filter to go between "barn door" and narrow. >Chris >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Andy Linton >To: >Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 12:07 PM >Subject: {AMSF} SRF-A300 audio? > > > > > > >Hi all, > > > > > > I just acquired a Sony SRF-A300 - nice radio even if all the lettering is > > in Japanese! > > > > The audio sounds a little dull to me, wonder does anyone have a circuit so > > I might modify it slightly, or has anyone done this? > > > > Thanks > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------- Andy Linton Waterford, Ireland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 12:28:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2103 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 19:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 19:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 19:28:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2003 19:28:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:28:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: good graveyard groundwave (Re: KKOB in stereo???) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030927133836.93783.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 646 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key > > Don't forget that conductivity over seawater is ( loud > drum roll please ) 5000, yes FIVE THOUSAND !! On the > beach at Edisto Beach SC among the jumble, often the > 1240 at St. Augustine FL can be heard... > > Powell > yea I know... I did some searches on radiolocator putting the receiving coordinates as various locations in the pacific ocean, and it was saying I could hear CA stations up and down the state over 500 miles away in some places. I wonder what the AM band sounds like at night from in the middle of the pacific ocean at least 500 miles away from any island with a radio station or 1,500 miles away from a continent? From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 12:40:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58257 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 19:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 19:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41214.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 19:40:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20030927194038.40618.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.213] by web41214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:40:38 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} good graveyard groundwave (Re: KKOB in stereo???) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pianoplayer88key wrote: I wonder what the AM band sounds like at night from in the middle of the pacific ocean at least 500 miles away from any island with a radio station or 1,500 miles away from a continent? We have our MW AM band in New Zealand are quite chocka here theres even a frequency 1026AM that has 3 different stations/formats on it-I havent got Australia on that frequency but some Australian stations on some nights over power the night locals and even clash with some daytime ones-A good one that is rather clear except when I broadcast on my alfredo lite is 1422kHz and I get 3XY Radio Hellas from Melbourne with nothing under it and have got the odd pacific island station too but the US is almost impossible here or any 10kHz spaced ones except Honolulu in exceptional conditions like in March and April are a good time to dx in NZ as it tends to be better when the weather is settled like then. Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 12:44:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60489 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 19:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 19:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80505.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 19:44:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20030927194446.38868.qmail@web80505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:44:46 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MW across water paths To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > > > > Don't forget that conductivity over seawater is ( > loud > > drum roll please ) 5000, yes FIVE THOUSAND !! On > the > > beach at Edisto Beach SC among the jumble, often > the > > 1240 at St. Augustine FL can be heard... > > Powell > yea I know... I did some searches on radiolocator > putting the > receiving coordinates as various locations in the > pacific ocean, and > it was saying I could hear CA stations up and down > the state over 500 > miles away in some places. The radiolocator plots are VERY inaccurate over water...but that said...read on! > I wonder what the AM band sounds like at night from > in the middle of > the pacific ocean at least 500 miles away from any > island with a radio > station or 1,500 miles away from a continent? Crossed the pacific by ship twice. Back home in 1960, I was a quite young, and I had a Sony TR-714. Even thousands of miles out you could hear west coast stations in the day. At night even at better. As you get in CLOSE the far up and down the coast stations vanish. ( like 500 miles) but at 1500 miles I could hear all of the west coast. I wished I could remember what I heard but that's 40 + years ago! Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Sep 27 13:09:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2295 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 20:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 20:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 20:09:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2003 20:09:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:09:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AMS stations streaming in HQ stereo ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 14 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.11.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan as subject ?? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 16:03:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34126 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 23:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 23:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 23:03:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2003 23:03:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 23:03:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: domestic shortwave Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030927135319.90709.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 852 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Heck I'd like to even have a 1 KW SW station. Current > minimum is 50KW with a prohibition of broadcasting to > a domestic audience....and that prohibition comes from > the 30's and a scare of Communism? NBC used to have their shortwave station WNBI (NBC International) transmitting from a site in Bound Brook, NJ, which was shared with WJZ (now 770 WABC). During World War II, WJZ moved up to a new site in Lodi, NJ, and the government took over the shortwave station and used it as one of their original transmitter sites for the Voice Of America (VOA). On the web you can find a scan of a VOA brochure from when they completed their current transmitter site in Greenville, SC, in 1963. It makes no attempt to hide the fact that VOA was aimed at listeners in "Communist Russia", "Red China", and other targeted areas across the world. From stodd@vippn.com Sat Sep 27 16:28:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37696 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 23:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 23:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 23:28:35 -0000 Message-ID: <001a01c3854f$aab4ebc0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <3F75B968.117AFE16@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Who's going to NAB? Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:32:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It's in Philly the first few days of Oct. (dont' know the exact dates, but the NAB website should have it.) Until they hold it somewhere closer to me (such as Chicago), I doubt I'll ever get to go. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > where is the NAB being Held this year and when??? > From stodd@vippn.com Sat Sep 27 16:38:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68899 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2003 23:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2003 23:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 23:38:37 -0000 Message-ID: <003401c38551$11516ce0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20030927135319.90709.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> <3F75BA53.C974235C@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MW multipath Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:42:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Then you have to feed power to the beast and occasionally replace/rebuild the tubes. It's fun to play radio, but it has to pay its own way. Allan Weiner found that out which is why so much of WBCQ's airtime ended up sold to fringe religious groups. Plus I don't think those transmitters are particularly frequency agile, but then again, WINB has been running one of them for decades. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" To: Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 11:26 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MW multipath > 50 Kw.. thats not a problem Powell > Just get the License....... then we will have to find some land to Put the > station On. > I have a contential 317C coming My way in about a Year... we can get TimTron > Wa1Hlr to Modifiy it to the frequencys we need.. > this is for real not a joke.... > Neal > > "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > > > Now, if Part 15ers could start taking over the > > > lower SW bands, > > > > where alot of domestic services have left, even > > > with the noise > > > > level. (Just a random thought.) > > > > > They would if they could! Under the current Part 15 > > > regulations, > > > the only part of the shortwave band in which any > > > kind of useful power > > > output is allowed is a thin slice of the 13 MHz band > > > -- and even > > > then, the power limit is a lot less than for Part 15 > > > operation in > > > the Longwave, AM/Mediumwave, and FM bands. > > > > > > > Heck I'd like to even have a 1 KW SW station. Current > > minimum is 50KW with a prohibition of broadcasting to > > a domestic audience....and that prohibition comes from > > the 30's and a scare of Communism? > > > > Powell > > > > ===== > > powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 17:33:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30896 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2003 00:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2003 00:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80507.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2003 00:33:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20030928003352.13711.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.115] by web80507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:33:52 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: domestic shortwave To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: >> On the web you can find a scan of a VOA brochure > from when they > completed their current transmitter site in > Greenville, SC, in 1963. > It makes no attempt to hide the fact that VOA was > aimed at listeners > in "Communist Russia", "Red China", and other > targeted areas across > the world. That site is actually in Greenville, NORTH Carolina, which is a good distance away from Greenville, SC where I used to live for awhile. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From possumhunter@netzero.net Sun Sep 28 05:40:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14947 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2003 12:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2003 12:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.114) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2003 12:40:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 05:40:56 -0700 Received: from 172.201.203.196 by bay7-dav10.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:40:56 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig YB 400 - AM Stereo and DRM capable! Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 08:37:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2003 12:40:56.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[C351FFB0:01C385BD] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.201.203.196] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Scott Todd wrote: >Perhaps if they tried Chris's trick of putting a few pf of capacitance across the ceramic filter they could get the 12kHz BW they need without tapping such a low signal in the receiver. Anybody know where I can download a service manual for the YB-400PE? C-QUAM would be NICE on it. I am still in love with my YB-400, in fact, I am listening to Radio Sweden on 9495Khz as I write this! The Grundig is FAR superior to the Sangeans I own. Kevin From jim@burgan.net Sun Sep 28 07:17:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37913 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2003 14:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2003 14:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-4.iquest.net) (206.246.180.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2003 14:17:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 60877 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2003 14:17:25 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-4.iquest.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2003 14:17:25 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-17.iquest.net [209.43.58.17]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AOF20561; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:17:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001d01c385cb$3eb09100$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20030928003352.13711.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: domestic shortwave Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:17:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > That site is actually in Greenville, NORTH Carolina, > which is a good distance away from Greenville, SC > where I used to live for awhile. You lived in Greenville, SC? Then you must be familiar with Bob Jones University? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 07:44:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62333 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2003 14:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2003 14:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2003 14:44:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2003 14:44:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:44:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: domestic shortwave Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c385cb$3eb09100$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 587 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > That site is actually in Greenville, NORTH Carolina, > > which is a good distance away from Greenville, SC > > where I used to live for awhile. > > You lived in Greenville, SC? > Then you must be familiar with Bob Jones University? Interesting you should mention that... I live in So Cal, but I used some materials from that named school / publishing house in my school days (K-12) which are actually not all that far in the past ... I was being homeschooled as recently as 1999, the year I graduated from H.S. From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Sep 28 08:13:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57196 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2003 15:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2003 15:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2003 15:13:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2003 15:13:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:13:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6441 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Common sense tells us that raising or lowering the power of all > > locals together isn't going to affect co channel interference, > > because the desired and undesired signals will go up and down > > proportionately. > > Yeah... that's what the FCC said when they let the "graveyard > channel" stations jump from 250W to 1000W at night. But real-world > experience has proven this to be false -- it leads to even greater > congestion and even higher interference levels, as anybody who > listens to (or *tries* to listen to) these stations after sunset can > tell you. When was the nighttime power limitation for the locals increased from 250 Watts, to 1 kW? I know when the daytime power was increased to 1 kW, but I wasn't paying attention when the nighttime power increase occurred. At any rate, how can someone listening to the local channels today get any idea what the conditions were like when nighttime power was limited to 250 Watts? Did you have "real-world" experience listening to these stations when they were limited to 250 Watts at night? I listened to these stations when they were limited to 250 Watts even during the daytime. At one time long ago, the FCC regulations did provide a protected nighttime contour for the "locals", I believe it was the 4 mV/m contour. Now clearly with the blanket increase to 1 kW at night the 4 mV/m contour is no longer protected, but that doesn't imply that the nighttime coverage has been reduced. When the 4 mV/m contour was protected, the protection provided was a d/u ratio of 20:1. The coverage question boils down to this, has the area receiving a 20:1, or better, d/u ratio decreased with 1 kW, from that with 250 Watts? The answer is no, the contour that defines the coverage area has just increased from 4 mV/m to 8 mV/m, but the area remains the same. The bottom line is that the area provided with a 20:1 d/u ratio did not decrease when the power was increased from 250 Watts to 1 kW, it was only the FCC's traditional contour numbers that were "broken" by the change, not the stations useful coverage area. > Similarly, they thought that adding a few dozen "flea-power" > stations to the clear channels at night wouldn't hurt anything -- > but they have; now, instead of 50,000-watt 1120 KMOX at night here > in NJ, I get some Spanish station in Connecticut that's supposed to > be running 250 watts at night, but comes in as if *they* are the > protected clear channel station. "Clear channel" stations are only protected to a specified contour. The big question here is are they running their nighttime facilities as they are supposed to be, or are they running their daytime facilities at night? Assuming they are running their licensed nighttime facilities, what is the problem with this? To get a nighttime license they presumably had to build a facility that provided KMOX with the protection required by the FCC regulations, so where is the problem? There was a 5 kW daytime station with an omni antenna in my area that was operating on one of the clear channels. Some time around the late 1970s they added 1 kW nightime service with a directional antenna. I suspect this station was not far outside of protected contour of the dominant station on the channel, if you drove to the null side of the antenna, you didn't have to go more than a few miles from the station to receive the skywave of the dominant station. The station in question lost their transmitter site sometime around 1990, and had to revert to daytime only operation, as they were not able build a new nighttime site that meet the current FCC rules. Perhaps if you are lucky the same thing will happen to the station that is interfering with your reception of KMOX. > Now, the latest frontier is the Expanded Band. The FCC set up an > allocation scheme based upon non-directional signals with a > nighttime power of 1 kW or less. Now, a few of these stations (like > 1660 WWRU in the NYC area) are already starting to switch to > directional 10 kW nighttime signals. Skywave interference is > already a huge problem in the Expanded Band, with stations from > 1000+ miles away frequently wiping out other stations' local > reception (like 1680 WLAA from Florida clobbering NJ's 1680 WTTM > within their own local listening area). Now, if all these stations > got a tenfold nighttime power increase, I sincerely doubt that it > wouldn't have any negative effect. No, a tenfold nighttime power increase wouldn't have any effect on co channel stations for a given d/u ratio, if that was all there was to it. But I assume that these stations are not going to be allowed to simply increase their nighttime power to 10 kW, but will be required to use directional antennas to provide protection to the other co channel stations equivalent to what they would have if the interfering station was running 1 kW. This changes the game somewhat, and there may be some areas outside the protected contours of co channel stations where the "service" may be degraded. But this is a fundamentally different situation than that with the "locals", where there was essentially a blanket increase from 250 Watts to 1 kW, with no change in antenna system. I generally don't like aggressive directional antennas, but this seems like a perfectly reasonable application, assuming the allocation of the stations is based on a specified omni directional power level such as 1 kW, and the directional array is only used to increase the power in directions where protection is not needed. It is when a directional antenna is used to build a station at a location where a low powered omni directional station could not be built, that I find directional antennas objectionable. Of course I also object to the whole concept of protected nighttime skywave coverage. If it were up to me I would provide only protection of ground wave coverage, and I would base allocations on omni directional antennas with a specified minimum power, dependent on the class of station, with directional antennas only used to increase power beyond that minimum level. Directional antennas would not be used to pack in more stations than could operate without interference at the minimum power level for the class, using an omni directional antenna. John From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 08:14:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58375 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2003 15:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2003 15:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80513.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2003 15:14:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20030928151435.85757.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80513.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 08:14:35 PDT Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 08:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: domestic shortwave To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001d01c385cb$3eb09100$9802a8c0@jimspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: > > That site is actually in Greenville, NORTH > Carolina, > > which is a good distance away from Greenville, SC > > where I used to live for awhile. > > You lived in Greenville, SC? > Then you must be familiar with Bob Jones University? Well I know of it. I have never been on the campus. Went BY it many times. Their commercial FM also plays a good bit of classical and beautiful music. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 09:03:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94730 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2003 16:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2003 16:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80510.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2003 16:03:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20030928160317.15000.qmail@web80510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:03:17 PDT Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > > Common sense tells us that raising or lowering > the power of all > > > locals together isn't going to affect co channel > interference, > > > because the desired and undesired signals will > go up and down > > > proportionately. > > > > Yeah... that's what the FCC said when they let the > "graveyard > > channel" stations jump from 250W to 1000W at > night. But real-world > > experience has proven this to be false -- it leads > to even greater > > congestion and even higher interference levels, as > anybody who > > listens to (or *tries* to listen to) these > stations after sunset can > > tell you. > > When was the nighttime power limitation for the > locals increased from > 250 Watts, to 1 kW? I know when the daytime power > was increased to 1 > kW, but I wasn't paying attention when the nighttime > power increase > occurred. At any rate, how can someone listening to > the local > channels today get any idea what the conditions were > like when > nighttime power was limited to 250 Watts? Did you > have "real-world" > experience listening to these stations when they > were limited to 250 > Watts at night? I listened to these stations when > they were limited > to 250 Watts even during the daytime. I work at one. It significantly increased the noise level to where the range is no better and often worse than before. > At one time long ago, the FCC regulations did > provide a protected > nighttime contour for the "locals", I believe it was > the 4 mV/m > contour. Now clearly with the blanket increase to 1 > kW at night the 4 > mV/m contour is no longer protected, but that > doesn't imply that the > nighttime coverage has been reduced. When the 4 > mV/m contour was > protected, the protection provided was a d/u ratio > of 20:1. The > coverage question boils down to this, has the area > receiving a 20:1, > or better, d/u ratio decreased with 1 kW, from that > with 250 Watts? > The answer is no, the contour that defines the > coverage area has just > increased from 4 mV/m to 8 mV/m, but the area > remains the same. The > bottom line is that the area provided with a 20:1 > d/u ratio did not > decrease when the power was increased from 250 Watts > to 1 kW, it was > only the FCC's traditional contour numbers that were > "broken" by the > change, not the stations useful coverage area. I think there is no longer any night time protection. I see on the FCC database with a few stations with as little as 500 watts day ( because of excellent conductivity and close spacing ) but are allowed 1000 watts at night. > > Similarly, they thought that adding a few dozen > "flea-power" > > stations to the clear channels at night wouldn't > hurt anything -- > > but they have; now, instead of 50,000-watt 1120 > KMOX at night here > > in NJ, I get some Spanish station in Connecticut > that's supposed to > > be running 250 watts at night, but comes in as if > *they* are the > > protected clear channel station. > > "Clear channel" stations are only protected to a > specified contour. > The big question here is are they running their > nighttime facilities > as they are supposed to be, or are they running > their daytime > facilities at night? Assuming they are running > their licensed > nighttime facilities, what is the problem with this? > To get a > nighttime license they presumably had to build a > facility that > provided KMOX with the protection required by the > FCC regulations, so > where is the problem? There was a 5 kW daytime > station with an omni > antenna in my area that was operating on one of the > clear channels. > Some time around the late 1970s they added 1 kW > nightime service with > a directional antenna. I suspect this station was > not far outside of > protected contour of the dominant station on the > channel, if you drove > to the null side of the antenna, you didn't have to > go more than a few > miles from the station to receive the skywave of the > dominant station. > The station in question lost their transmitter site > sometime around > 1990, and had to revert to daytime only operation, > as they were not > able build a new nighttime site that meet the > current FCC rules. > Perhaps if you are lucky the same thing will happen > to the station > that is interfering with your reception of KMOX. A lot of the stations with "flea power" cheat and the FCC often takes a long time to do anything, that is IF they do anything. Some stations on regional frequencies have been cheating for years. > > Now, the latest frontier is the Expanded Band. > The FCC set up an > > allocation scheme based upon non-directional > signals with a > > nighttime power of 1 kW or less. Now, a few of > these stations (like > > 1660 WWRU in the NYC area) are already starting to > switch to > > directional 10 kW nighttime signals. Skywave > interference is > > already a huge problem in the Expanded Band, with > stations from > > 1000+ miles away frequently wiping out other > stations' local > > reception (like 1680 WLAA from Florida clobbering > NJ's 1680 WTTM > > within their own local listening area). Now, if > all these stations > > got a tenfold nighttime power increase, I > sincerely doubt that it > > wouldn't have any negative effect. > No, a tenfold nighttime power increase wouldn't have > any effect on co > channel stations for a given d/u ratio, if that was > all there was to > it. But I assume that these stations are not going > to be allowed to > simply increase their nighttime power to 10 kW, but > will be required > to use directional antennas to provide protection to > the other co > channel stations equivalent to what they would have > if the interfering > station was running 1 kW. This changes the game > somewhat, and there > may be some areas outside the protected contours of > co channel > stations where the "service" may be degraded. But > this is a > fundamentally different situation than that with the > "locals", where > there was essentially a blanket increase from 250 > Watts to 1 kW, with > no change in antenna system. > > I generally don't like aggressive directional > antennas, but this seems > like a perfectly reasonable application, assuming > the allocation of > the stations is based on a specified omni > directional power level such > as 1 kW, and the directional array is only used to > increase the power > in directions where protection is not needed. It is > when a > directional antenna is used to build a station at a > location where a > low powered omni directional station could not be > built, that I find > directional antennas objectionable. Of course I > also object to the > whole concept of protected nighttime skywave > coverage. If it were up > to me I would provide only protection of ground wave > coverage, and I > would base allocations on omni directional antennas > with a specified > minimum power, dependent on the class of station, > with directional > antennas only used to increase power beyond that > minimum level. > Directional antennas would not be used to pack in > more stations than > could operate without interference at the minimum > power level for the > class, using an omni directional antenna. But often what's on paper is only that. And often propagation doesn't follow the rules, and the station that is to protect someone's groundwave service ....DOESN'T. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Sep 28 11:11:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13550 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2003 18:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2003 18:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2003 18:11:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2003 18:11:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:11:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Who's going to NAB? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F75B968.117AFE16@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 179 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > where is the NAB being Held this year and when??? It's in Philly this week (Oct 1-3). You goin Neal? From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 12:05:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4501 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2003 19:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2003 19:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2003 19:05:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20030928190538.39977.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.213] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:05:38 PDT Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig YB 400 - AM Stereo and DRM capable! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My sangean is hopeless on AM,I just use it connected through the sound card of the PC mostly to record FM and (SW is useless too on it) Michael Possum Hunter wrote: The Grundig is FAR superior to the Sangeans I own. Kevin Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 13:11:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5301 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2003 20:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2003 20:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2003 20:11:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2003 20:11:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:09:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: the "graveyard" channels Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030928160317.15000.qmail@web80510.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 911 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think there is no longer any night time protection. I see on the > FCC database with a few stations with as little as 500 watts day > ( because of excellent conductivity and close spacing ) but are > allowed 1000 watts at night. The North American AM station classifications as they currently stand: Class A = Clear channel, up to 50 kW full-time, primary (groundwave) and secondary (skywave) nighttime protection. Class B = Clear or Regional channel, up to 50 kW full-time (10 kW on Expanded Band frequencies), primary (groundwave) nighttime protection. Class C = Local channel, up to 1 kW full-time, no nighttime protection. Affectionately known as "graveyard channel" stations. Class D = Daytime-only, limited time, or full-time on Clear or Regional channels, up to 50 kW day / 250W night, no nighttime protection. Nighttime Class D signals are known as "flea-power" or "peanut-whistle". From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 15:21:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85990 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2003 22:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2003 22:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2003 22:20:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2003 22:20:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:20:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Stereo TV modulator, & ultra-cheap stereo VCR Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 826 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I was browsing through the latest Radio Shack flyer, and amongst all the overpriced junk they sell nowadays, there's one product that caught my eye -- a television RF modulator that produces MTS Stereo sound. The flyer even says, "Unlike most, this RadioShack modulator transmits sound in full stereo. Hear your DVD or video game the way it was meant to be heard!" So, alas, only about 19 years after stereo TV was introduced, you can finally get an RF modulator with stereo sound. Also, "Coconuts", a music/video store in the Northeast, is selling a Hi-Fi Stereo VCR for $19.99! That's after a $30 mail-in rebate, which you probably won't ever get, but still... VCRs are definitely getting cheaper and cheaper, which will only help to preserve VHS videotape as a viable format for at least a few more years. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 15:43:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98092 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2003 22:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2003 22:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2003 22:43:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20030928224308.96403.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.247.213] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:43:08 PDT Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Stereo TV modulator, & ultra-cheap stereo VCR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In NZ (Friday Sep26th local ad)in NZHerald-bollocks! :-) Panasonic 2 head vcr model NVMV20 199NZD(95 USD) save 30 dollars You are in a totally different world! DVD players are lower priced than VCRs now Michael "Kevin T." wrote: I was browsing through the latest Radio Shack flyer, and amongst all the overpriced junk they sell nowadays, there's one product that caught my eye -- a television RF modulator that produces MTS Stereo sound. The flyer even says, "Unlike most, this RadioShack modulator transmits sound in full stereo. Hear your DVD or video game the way it was meant to be heard!" So, alas, only about 19 years after stereo TV was introduced, you can finally get an RF modulator with stereo sound. Also, "Coconuts", a music/video store in the Northeast, is selling a Hi-Fi Stereo VCR for $19.99! That's after a $30 mail-in rebate, which you probably won't ever get, but still... VCRs are definitely getting cheaper and cheaper, which will only help to preserve VHS videotape as a viable format for at least a few more years. Yahoo! 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Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 16:52:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12676 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2003 23:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2003 23:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80508.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2003 23:52:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20030928235206.22852.qmail@web80508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.77] by web80508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:52:06 PDT Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Grundig YB 400 - AM Stereo and DRM capable! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030928190538.39977.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Michael and Ross wrote: > My sangean is hopeless on AM,I just use it connected > through the sound card of the PC mostly to record FM > and (SW is useless too on it) > Michael > > Possum Hunter wrote: > The Grundig is FAR superior to the Sangeans I > own. My 3 RS versions of the Sangean ATS 909 blow the YB 400 away on FM and quality. Grundig has had VERY serious quality control problems on their Chinese models. Though the AM and SW is a bit less sensitive than the Grundig with the whip an external antenna takes care of that. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 17:16:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72577 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 00:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 00:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 00:16:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2003 00:16:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:16:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator, & ultra-cheap stereo VCR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1431 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.98 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I was browsing through the latest Radio Shack flyer, and amongst all > the overpriced junk they sell nowadays, there's one product that > caught my eye -- a television RF modulator that produces MTS Stereo > sound. The flyer even says, "Unlike most, this RadioShack modulator > transmits sound in full stereo. Hear your DVD or video game the way > it was meant to be heard!" So, alas, only about 19 years after > stereo TV was introduced, you can finally get an RF modulator with > stereo sound. I know I have seen MTS-stereo-capable RF modulators advertized over the last couple decades, but not from Radio Shack until now, and I don't think of Radio Shack as much of a harbinger of available technology. And of course, why now, when analog TV is supposed to end in 3 years, in favor of digital? > Also, "Coconuts", a music/video store in the Northeast, is selling a > Hi-Fi Stereo VCR for $19.99! That's after a $30 mail-in rebate, > which you probably won't ever get, but still... VCRs are definitely > getting cheaper and cheaper, which will only help to preserve VHS > videotape as a viable format for at least a few more years. This is so close to being under the manufacturer's cost for parts, it's ridiculous. VCRs are complicated machines, mechanically, and the rotary heads aren't cheap to replace. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 20:23:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74441 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 03:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 03:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 03:23:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2003 03:23:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:23:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator, & ultra-cheap stereo VCR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 979 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is so close to being under the manufacturer's cost for parts, > it's ridiculous. VCRs are complicated machines, mechanically, and > the rotary heads aren't cheap to replace. They must've learned from the record companies -- CDs cost literally pennies each to make in bulk, and yet they've always sold for a higher price than cassettes, which are actually more expensive to manufacture. It'll all about what they think they can get away with. For better or worse, the record companies are starting to learn that people don't care to spend $15 or more on a CD with only one or two "good" songs on it, and hopefully they'll stop suing 12-year-olds who download MP3s, and instead make CDs a good value for the money. If they had any brains, they'd start promoting CD singles as much as they do in Europe; at $1 or $2 a pop, that would be an affordable and legal way for consumers to listen to their favorite music -- just like 45 RPM singles were decades ago. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 20:47:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90237 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 03:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 03:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 03:47:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2003 03:47:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:47:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hola, CRL Amigo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2195 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics At long last, my complete CRL AM Stereo audio processing is installed and working great! It includes the SGC-800 Stereo Gain Controller (now known as the "Amigo Studio M"), the SEC-800 Spectral Energy Compressor (a.k.a. "Amigo Compressor S"), and the SMP-950 AM Stereo Matrix Processor. I also thankfully got the user's manual with each, which has helped in setting up and adjusting them. With some custom wiring, the line output of my IBM ThinkPad can connect directly to the SGC-800's input, and the SMP-950's output matches up perfectly with my Panasonic multi-system AM Stereo generator. With moderate processing settings (the manual calls it the "Country Medium" preset), it sounds excellent on everything from the cheapest narrowband radios to the best hi-fi AM Stereo receivers. The SMP-950 offers two bandwidth settings; one which conforms to the NRSC 10 kHz spec, and another which offers a flat response up to 11 kHz, and then a smooth roll-off up to 13 kHz (which is in use at 1240 KEVA, as well as on 1210 WPHT's backup air-chain, and was on the now-defunct 1340 CJLS). The pre-emphasis is variable as well, anywhere from none, to the NRSC spec, up to a maximum setting which is very bright and crisp. Just one curious glitch, though -- the positive side of the SMP-950's balanced Left channel output is putting out a constant 13.75 volts DC! The negative side is outputting audio as it should, so I guess somehow part of the NE5532N output chip on that channel got toasted. It is socketed, so hopefully a simple replacement will cure the problem. In the meantime, I can use the negative half of each channel's output, which produces the correct stereo audio, except with reversed phase -- so thus I can't use asymmetrical modulation, as that would result in 125% *negative* modulation, which is no good. For now, +/- 100% symmetrical modulation won't win any loudness wars, but it sounds fantastic on the air. The only downside is that all this fancy processing equipment -- or the three CRL "pizza boxes", as I like to call them -- is "wasted" on a teensy little Part 15 station, rather than a 50,000-watt signal which it could be serving! From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Sep 29 00:31:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27430 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 07:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 07:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 07:31:02 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.56]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:32:37 -0400 Message-ID: <004101c3865b$8942ace0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Stereo TV modulator, & ultra-cheap stereo VCR Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:30:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Kevin, our paper does not give us a flyer- what is the catalog #? I want to look it up- Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 6:20 PM Subject: {AMSF} OT: Stereo TV modulator, & ultra-cheap stereo VCR > I was browsing through the latest Radio Shack flyer, and amongst all > the overpriced junk they sell nowadays, there's one product that > caught my eye -- a television RF modulator that produces MTS Stereo > sound. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 00:41:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46417 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 07:41:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 07:41:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 07:41:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2003 07:41:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:41:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c3865b$8942ace0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 167 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kevin, our paper does not give us a flyer- what is the catalog #? > I want to look it up- > Chris It's catalog number 15-2525, with an advertised price of $39.99. From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Sep 29 05:39:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47917 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 12:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 12:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 12:39:10 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:40:46 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c38686$aef3d1a0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:39:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I *think* this is a case of mis-labled items... I seriously doubt that this actually has stereo output on the RF jack. The parts count required to produce stereo TV audio is astronomical. I recently bought a "Channelizer" true stereo RF output, and it was $250.00- it has a pantload of IC's, and it only has 1 input, but does work very well. I have also seen Recoton "stereo" modulators for sale, but they are not stereo. Of course, most people will not notice any difference. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 3:41 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator > > Kevin, our paper does not give us a flyer- what is the catalog #? > > I want to look it up- > > Chris > > It's catalog number 15-2525, with an advertised price of $39.99. > From oscar@globility.com Mon Sep 29 06:20:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47256 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 13:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 13:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 13:19:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2003 13:19:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:19:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator, & ultra-cheap stereo VCR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1128 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.245.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > If they had any brains, they'd start promoting CD singles as much as > they do in Europe; at $1 or $2 a pop, that would be an affordable and > legal way for consumers to listen to their favorite music -- just > like 45 RPM singles were decades ago. I agree. It reminds me of the time during the fade from 45's, just before the CD became entrenched. I do believe there was a period then when all the artist had was was the (vinyl) LP album. The term referred originally to a collection of an artist's works in 78's which were sold in an album, like one used for photos. However, my point is that artists, as well as jocks, now refer to their work as a "CD". To me, the term seems somewhat declasse. It refers only to the medium, not the message. Perhaps they should start referring again to an "album of music", meaning a compilation of the artists works on CD, instead of just a CD. That way the concept of a 3" single on a CD could gain some momentum. They could also do some "New artist" promos as on that same CD single. MS From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 08:00:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70514 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 15:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 15:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 15:00:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2003 15:00:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:00:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c38686$aef3d1a0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 360 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have also seen Recoton "stereo" modulators for sale, but they are > not stereo. Of course, most people will not notice any difference. Alas, there are even "fake stereo" TV sets. I once saw a Philips that was advertised as having "dual-speaker sound", and it indeed produced stereo sound -- but only when using the Aux input. Its TV tuner was mono! From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Sep 29 08:13:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22391 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 15:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 15:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 15:13:05 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:14:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c3869c$2f9e4eb0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:13:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 It is all the same game- That TV has the "place on the board" for the stereo decoder IC, which is 55¢. BTW- I got my "Channelizer" to use with my Magnavox stereo TV, which even tho' 10 years old, still works perfectly, and is built into a bookcase. The modulator now lets me watch tapes and DVD's and hear them in stereo. Oddly renough, the sound circuit in this set is great, and it's only a 13" set. CC From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 09:27:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84915 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 16:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 16:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 16:27:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2003 16:27:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:27:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c38686$aef3d1a0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 849 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.189 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I *think* this is a case of mis-labled items... I seriously doubt=20 that this > actually has stereo output on the RF jack. The parts count required=20 to > produce stereo TV audio is astronomical. I recently bought=20 Shouldn't be- The only real difference between MTS stereo and=20 broadcast-FM stereo is that a dbx=99 noise reduction circuit is applied=20 to the audio-- to the L-R, if I'm not mistaken. Otherwise, the pilot=20 frequency is dropped down to 15.75 khZ from 19, and the corresponding=20 DSSC L-R carrier is at double that, just as with broadcast FM stereo. There should only be three circuits involved- video RF, FM stereo=20 modulator, and dbx=99 compressor, all of which exist as individual ICs.=20 I'm more surprised it took this long to actually do it. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jim@burgan.net Mon Sep 29 09:46:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79554 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 16:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 16:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-2.iquest.net) (206.246.180.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 16:45:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 38808 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 16:45:58 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-2.iquest.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 16:45:58 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-155.iquest.net [209.43.58.155]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AOI00691; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:45:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002001c386a9$27f0bfb0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <20030928160317.15000.qmail@web80510.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo takes on the IBOC challenge Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:45:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Powell E. Way III wrote: > A lot of the stations with "flea power" cheat and the > FCC often takes a long time to do anything, that is IF > they do anything. Some stations on regional > frequencies have been cheating for years. You got that right. I can name a dozen examples of stations that 'cheat'. It is really interesting to listen to AM radio on Friday nights in Indiana.... It seems that many Class D's with night-time flea-power 'forget' to power down at sunset when they have Friday-night High School football. I frequently hear low-power stations from Iowa and Missouri at night, but only during high-school sports. When the game is over, the engineer (or board-op) conveniently remembers to cut the power. As for stations on regional frequencies who cheat, I know of a class B (1kw D/500w N/DA2... a 3-tower in-line array) that has a problem with their phasing equipment (among many other problems) and they have been broadcasting 1kw omni 24/7 for the last 3 or 4 years. The real problem is: These examples have been well-known for years. The FCC knows but does nothing to try to get these stations into compliance. There was a time when the FCC would be crawling up your butt for not keeping the 'public file' up-to-date, or for not fulfilling your PSA and Public Affairs requirements, now the only thing that seems to get the feds on your case is an EAS violation. We recently had a visit/inspection from the FCC. They spent 2 hours looking over our cluster's EAS records, and spent 1 hour on everything else. They didn't even visit any of our transmitter sites. The only thing we were 'notified' about was proper logging of EAS/Amber Alert on the transmitter logs (some of our lazier jocks were stapling the EAS logging tape to the transmitter log, not logging or initialing them on the log). Go figure... From jim@burgan.net Mon Sep 29 09:53:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73077 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 16:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 16:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-4.iquest.net) (206.246.180.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 16:53:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 11783 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 16:53:34 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-4.iquest.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 16:53:34 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-155.iquest.net [209.43.58.155]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AOI02211; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:53:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005b01c386aa$37ac31e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <001f01c38686$aef3d1a0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:53:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I *think* this is a case of mis-labled items... I seriously doubt that this > actually has stereo output on the RF jack. The parts count required to > produce stereo TV audio is astronomical. I recently bought a "Channelizer" > true stereo RF output, and it was $250.00- it has a pantload of IC's, and it > only has 1 input, but does work very well. > I have also seen Recoton "stereo" modulators for sale, but they are not > stereo. Of course, most people will not notice any difference. Kevin got it right... They have an RF modulator that generates an MTS stereo signal from stereo line-level inputs. The price is $39.95. I was in Radio Shack Saturday and saw it. I agree with the person who posted: > So, alas, only about 19 years after > stereo TV was introduced, you can finally get an RF modulator with > stereo sound. From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Sep 29 10:43:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77520 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 17:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 17:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 17:43:07 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:43:06 -0600 Message-ID: <001301c386b1$23ec7be0$5401010a@AM> To: References: <001f01c38686$aef3d1a0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> <005b01c386aa$37ac31e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:43:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It really isn't surprising the amount of people so sadly fooled. Even my in-laws had a 31" Sony stereo television and were feeding their DirecTV satellite receiver into it via the RF coax input and tuning the thing to channel 3. All this wonderful digital stereo sound and they're listening to it in glorious mono. I think that is stupid of Thomson Elec to do that. I always thought if you had a stereo VCR or a satellite receiver or something that it should broadcast the audio in MTS stereo through the RF jack in the back for those that hook to their stereo TV through the co-ax input. Then when they tuned to channel 3, they'd see the "STEREO" indicator come on (light up, or on screen wherever applicable) and they KNOW they're getting stereo audio as well. Even a stereo VCR.....why couldn't they incorporate the chip into it so that people that hook their STEREO VCR up to their STEREO TV through the coax output in the back and tune their TV to channel 3. I'm glad something is finally being done about this...it's almost too little too late if ya ask me, though :( Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:53 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Kevin got it right... They have an RF modulator that generates an MTS stereo signal from stereo line-level inputs. The price is $39.95. I was in Radio Shack Saturday and saw it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From brian60420@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 11:06:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8627 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 18:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 18:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80602.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 18:06:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20030929180655.60487.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.24.179.208] by web80602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:06:55 PDT Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001301c386b1$23ec7be0$5401010a@AM> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Robbins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a suggestion.....Instead of buying a Stereo TV RF modulator from R.S., why not purchase a Chris Cuff AM Stereo "Alfredo-lite" transmitter and broadcast stereo programming to your living room's AM Stereo receiver (portable, boombox, or component). Then when your friends stop by, you can say you support AM stereo. There are so many good sources of stereo programming on TV. Just a thought. "Michael J. Richard" wrote:>It really isn't surprising the amount of people so sadly >fooled. Even my in-laws had a 31" Sony stereo >television and were feeding their DirecTV satellite >receiver into it via the RF coax input and tuning the >thing to channel 3. All this wonderful digital stereo >sound and they're listening to it in glorious mono. I >think that is stupid of Thomson Elec to do that. I >always thought if you had a stereo VCR or a satellite >receiver or something that it should broadcast the audio >in MTS stereo through the RF jack in the back for those >that hook to their stereo TV through the co-ax input. >Then when they tuned to channel 3, they'd see the >"STEREO" indicator come on (light up, or on screen >wherever applicable) and they KNOW they're getting >stereo audio as well. Even a stereo VCR.....why >couldn't they incorporate the chip into it so that >people that hook their STEREO VCR up to their STEREO TV >through the coax output in the back and tune their TV to >channel 3. >I'm glad something is finally being done about >this...it's almost too little too late if ya ask me, >though :( --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Sep 29 12:09:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91489 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 19:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 19:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 19:09:34 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.147]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:11:11 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c386bd$1eb19000$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <001f01c38686$aef3d1a0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> <005b01c386aa$37ac31e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:08:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I went to RS today on my way home to check them out- but they hadn't arrived yet. I will have to pick one up now- It is great to see that it's "really real"- It still amazes me that they can put it all together so cheap- You need matrixing, a Pilot generator, etc. Now with a suitable little RF amp, a small stereo TV station can be made... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Burgan To: Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator > Kevin got it right... They have an RF modulator that generates an MTS stereo > signal from stereo line-level inputs. > The price is $39.95. I was in Radio Shack Saturday and saw it. From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Sep 29 12:35:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54534 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 19:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 19:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 19:35:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2003 19:35:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:35:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1401 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.237 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > I *think* this is a case of mis-labled items... I seriously doubt > > that this actually has stereo output on the RF jack. The parts > > count required to produce stereo TV audio is astronomical. > > I recently bought=20 >=20 > Shouldn't be- The only real difference between MTS stereo and=20 > broadcast-FM stereo is that a dbx=99 noise reduction circuit is=20 > applied to the audio-- to the L-R, if I'm not mistaken. Otherwise,=20 > the pilot frequency is dropped down to 15.75 khZ from 19, and the=20 > corresponding DSSC L-R carrier is at double that, just as with=20 > broadcast FM stereo. There is one more crucial difference, in the television stereo system=20 the "L-R" sub carrier level is boosted by at least 6 dB relative to=20 the "L+R" component, I forget the exact value. > There should only be three circuits involved- video RF, FM stereo=20 > modulator, and dbx=99 compressor, all of which exist as individual=20 > ICs. I'm more surprised it took this long to actually do it. If you use a standard FM stereo modulator chip, it would also require=20 matrix and de matrix circuits to generate the correct relationship=20 between the "L+R" and "L-R" signals, but this would be required anyway=20 to accommodate the dbx compressor for the "L-R" signal. John From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 12:35:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84951 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 19:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 19:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 19:35:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2003 19:35:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:35:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002901c386bd$1eb19000$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 546 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.189 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I went to RS today on my way home to check them out- but they=20 hadn't arrived > yet. > I will have to pick one up now- It is great to see that=20 it's "really real"- > It still amazes me that they can put it all together so cheap- You=20 need > matrixing, a Pilot generator, etc. Now with a suitable little RF=20 amp, a > small stereo TV station can be made... Nothing that a <$5 FM-stereo-transmitter-on-a-chip couldn't do,=20 except for the dbx=99 processing. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Sep 29 13:33:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35930 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 20:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 20:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 20:32:57 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.192]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:34:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c386c8$c5018c20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:32:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Except that before now, it did not exist on a single chip. When ROHM brought out the BA1404 IC in 1986 (I think) it was like a miracle - It made low power FM stereo trnsmitting affordable and possible. I just do not know why it took so long to do it with TV audio. The unit I have is not old- only a year or so- and it has probably 10 IC's in it, not counting the frequency geneator part. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Nothing that a <$5 FM-stereo-transmitter-on-a-chip couldn't do, except for the dbxT processing. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Sep 29 13:55:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31156 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 20:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 20:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 20:55:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2003 20:55:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:55:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony ST-JX220a on ebay! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.2.195 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3050146125&category=3282 Look Ian what it's tuned to !! From amstereorules@msn.com Mon Sep 29 14:51:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89238 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 21:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 21:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 21:51:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2003 21:51:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:51:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stereo TV modulator, & ultra-cheap stereo VCR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 543 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules I purchased this Radio Shack stereo TV modulator, and it's made in the U.S.A with Motorola parts. There is a Motorola stereo encoder chip (MC44C400), ON Semi 5volt regulator, and Motorola RF modulator chip (MC44BC375). It is all digital, without any tuned RF circuit. One 12 MHz crystal provides the time base. There isn't a power switch. When the video input is disconnected, it shuts off and bypasses to the auxiliary RF input. Video and sound quality is quite good. It is very lightweight. - Mario Remember, AMStereoRules From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 15:00:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91920 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 22:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 22:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 22:00:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20030929220047.1387.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.251.158] by web41206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:00:47 PDT Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beautiful looking Sony SRF A1 on Ebay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beautiful looking Sony SRF A1 walkman on Ebay for "USA people" in box. michael copy and paste http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3050067678&category=16702&rd=1 Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Sep 29 16:13:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50659 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 23:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 23:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 23:13:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2003 23:13:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:13:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hola, CRL Amigo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 715 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio The problem with CRL stuff is that none of it is best at peak modulation control, unless you want to enter the realm of distortion and clipping. Compared to Orban and Omnia, for both AM and FM, CRL has long suffered, IMHO, from poorly designed clippers in their peak limiters that didn't allow them to be as loud as others using 9100. As one well knows, loudness is important to AM and while building density in compressors is important, alot of that can manifest itself in ugly sounding audio. Brute loudness is only as good as your clippers. I am not a huge Optimod fan, but one thing they could do was design a clipper. As for the rest of the CRL chain, it's quite musical sounding if set right. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 16:48:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40887 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2003 23:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2003 23:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 23:48:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2003 23:44:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:44:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Stereo TV modulator, & ultra-cheap stereo VCR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 741 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.189 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > I purchased this Radio Shack stereo TV modulator, and it's made > in the U.S.A with Motorola parts. There is a Motorola stereo encoder > chip (MC44C400), ON Semi 5volt regulator, and Motorola RF modulator > chip (MC44BC375). It is all digital, without any tuned RF circuit. > One 12 MHz crystal provides the time base. There isn't a power > switch. When the video input is disconnected, it shuts off and > bypasses to the auxiliary RF input. Video and sound quality is > quite good. It is very lightweight. - Mario http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,1958,2742_2226_23,00 .html (Cut & paste as per usual.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Mon Sep 29 18:15:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82381 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 01:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 01:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 01:15:01 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c386f0$e0852100$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <001f01c38686$aef3d1a0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> <005b01c386aa$37ac31e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> <002901c386bd$1eb19000$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:19:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm not that amazed- you can get a complete FMS transmitter on a single chip- a Rohm BA1404, IIRC. It's not a great chip, but it works. Wonder what took them so long to do something like this for MTS? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > I will have to pick one up now- It is great to see that it's "really real"- > It still amazes me that they can put it all together so cheap- You need > matrixing, a Pilot generator, etc. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 20:29:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64603 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 03:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 03:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 03:29:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2003 03:29:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 03:29:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003101c386f0$e0852100$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 891 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Wonder what took them so long to do something like this for MTS? Perhaps because the vast majority of stereo televisions have direct audio and video inputs, thus negating the need for an RF modulator? And like others have said, it's the "hi-fi stereo" VCRs that really should have a built-in MTS Stereo generator, so that for the majority of people who hook up their VCR to the TV via the RF input and watch it on Channel 3 or 4, they would be able to hear the stereo sound that they paid for. But of course, stereo sound is hardly a benefit when your TV has crappy speakers to begin with. These days, TVs with speaker outputs are nowhere to be found, and the built-in speakers are universally medicore -- perhaps because with today's compact plastic-cased TVs, you can't get the same kind of cabinet resonance that helped give classic televisions a rich, full-bodied tone. From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Sep 29 22:29:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57941 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 05:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 05:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 05:29:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2003 05:29:27 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90335 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 04:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 04:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 04:45:57 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.c6.22e033c2 (4459) for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:45:50 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: domestic shortwave To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 30 Sep 2003 05:29:27 -0000 The VOA station in Greenville, NC blasts into the Midwest during the day, especially when their transmitters are carrying VOA's English to Africa service. The same can be true for high-powered SWBCers like WEWN in Vandiver, AL (a suburb of Birmingham) and WYFR in Okeechobee, FL (near West Palm Beach and Fort Pierce). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Sep 30 00:27:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68913 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 07:27:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 07:27:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 07:27:43 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.11]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 03:29:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c38724$3cde9b60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <001f01c38686$aef3d1a0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> <005b01c386aa$37ac31e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> <002901c386bd$1eb19000$0101a8c0@pavilion> <003101c386f0$e0852100$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 03:26:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I can see why now- I looked up the data sheet for the MC44C401, and the chip uses the composite video from the source for generating the pilot and carrier freqs.-something that before this, needed a lot of extra stuff in the circuit. This chip is very new- I suspect that if this unit has an MC44C400, which is not listed at all in the motorola data base, it "may" be that the 400 was the first edition, and to blow them out, a simple modualtor was built to sell close to cost. The 401 is $11.79 each, in 1000 lots. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator > I'm not that amazed- you can get a complete FMS transmitter on a single > chip- a Rohm BA1404, IIRC. It's not a great chip, but it works. Wonder > what took them so long to do something like this for MTS? > > ST From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 09:11:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14580 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 16:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 16:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 16:11:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2003 16:11:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:11:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Radio World Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 290 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Does anybody have the print edition of Radio World? I've heard that my letter was printed in the latest issue, but the letters section is not available on RW's web site. So if anybody has it and could scan it and post the image file to the Files section here, I would appreciate it. From jim@burgan.net Tue Sep 30 10:18:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99020 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 17:18:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 17:18:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-2.iquest.net) (206.246.180.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 17:18:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 52085 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 17:18:53 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-2.iquest.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 17:18:53 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-196.iquest.net [209.43.58.196]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id AOL12094; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:18:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000b01c38776$ec588220$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio World Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:18:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Does anybody have the print edition of Radio World? I've heard that > my letter was printed in the latest issue, but the letters section is > not available on RW's web site. So if anybody has it and could scan > it and post the image file to the Files section here, I would > appreciate it. I have a copy and I saw that article. I'll scan it when I get to work and send it to you (don't know how/where to post it to the files section). Might be late tonight.... From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 11:25:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72812 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 18:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 18:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 18:25:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2003 18:25:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:25:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio World Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c38776$ec588220$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 840 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > Does anybody have the print edition of Radio World? I've heard that > > my letter was printed in the latest issue, but the letters section is > > not available on RW's web site. So if anybody has it and could scan > > it and post the image file to the Files section here, I would > > appreciate it. > > I have a copy and I saw that article. > I'll scan it when I get to work and send it to you (don't know how/where to > post it to the files section). > Might be late tonight.... When you click on "files" on the left, look up above the files - there's a link that says "add file". You can click on that, browse to the file on your HD, and upload it. You can also optionally add a description, and have a message sent to the group notifying us of the new file. From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Sep 30 11:32:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10128 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 18:31:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 18:31:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 18:31:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2003 18:31:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:31:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator, & ultra-cheap stereo VCR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 586 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > If they had any brains, they'd start promoting CD singles as much as > they do in Europe; at $1 or $2 a pop, that would be an affordable and > legal way for consumers to listen to their favorite music -- just > like 45 RPM singles were decades ago. Unfortunately they already tried this in the late 80's, when many current hit 45s were also available as CD-3s at $1.99. Didn't work. They didn't sell well at all. Stores hated them, too. They were low margin, high maintenance items that took away from sales of the regular CDs, not to mention a shoplifting nightmare. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Tue Sep 30 12:24:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9027 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 19:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 19:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 19:24:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2003 19:24:05 -0000 Date: 30 Sep 2003 19:24:05 -0000 Message-ID: <1064949845.158048.73015.w80@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /ThisCouldBeTheStartOfSomethingBig.ogg Uploaded by : jsgilst Description : Ogg Sound File encoded at 22KHz & 35kbps You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/ThisCouldBeTheStartOfSomethingBig.ogg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, jsgilst From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Sep 30 12:33:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55186 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 19:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 19:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 19:33:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2003 19:33:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:33:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1064949845.158048.73015.w80@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1041 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.173 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > group. > > File : /ThisCouldBeTheStartOfSomethingBig.ogg > Uploaded by : jsgilst > Description : Ogg Sound File encoded at 22KHz & 35kbps > > You can access this file at the URL > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/ThisCouldBeTheStartOfSomethingBig.ogg > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files > > Regards, > > jsgilst To give you an idea of how good Ogg files sound at low bit rates were is a sample that was encoded at 35kbps and was downsampled to 22KHz to roll off some of the higher frequencies that would otherwise waste bits for the encoding of lower frequencies. The brass section sounds suprisingly good for such a low bitrate and the voiced don't sound bad either. JSG From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Sep 30 13:29:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82213 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 20:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 20:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 20:29:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2003 20:29:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:29:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c38724$3cde9b60$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1798 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Have I got a deal for you Broadcast Television Stereo Fans! Some time ago I bought what was advertised as a McMartin BFM-1521R FM stereo generator on eBay. When it arrived on my doorstep I found that it had been modified by Zenith as some sort of prototype Broadcast Television Stereo generator, complete with a Zenith asset tag. On the back panel they had added inputs for "HORZ", and "SAP", as well as a switch to select between "processor" and "normal stereo". A small hole was also cut in the top panel to provide access to another added switch labeled "Pilot Timed" / "Not Timed". The front panel remained stock McMartin, and on the side was a Zenith Asset Tag. What am I bid for this rare piece of Broadcast Television Stereo history? John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I can see why now- I looked up the data sheet for the MC44C401, and the chip > uses the composite video from the source for generating the pilot and > carrier freqs.-something that before this, needed a lot of extra stuff in > the circuit. This chip is very new- I suspect that if this unit has an > MC44C400, which is not listed at all in the motorola data base, it "may" be > that the 400 was the first edition, and to blow them out, a simple modualtor > was built to sell close to cost. The 401 is $11.79 each, in 1000 lots. > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Todd > To: > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator > > > > I'm not that amazed- you can get a complete FMS transmitter on a single > > chip- a Rohm BA1404, IIRC. It's not a great chip, but it works. Wonder > > what took them so long to do something like this for MTS? > > > > ST From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 14:57:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82568 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 21:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 21:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 21:57:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2003 21:57:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:57:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1350 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.189 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > Have I got a deal for you Broadcast Television Stereo Fans! Some time > ago I bought what was advertised as a McMartin BFM-1521R FM stereo > generator on eBay. When it arrived on my doorstep I found that it had > been modified by Zenith as some sort of prototype Broadcast Television > Stereo generator, complete with a Zenith asset tag. On the back panel > they had added inputs for "HORZ", and "SAP", as well as a switch to > select between "processor" and "normal stereo". A small hole was also > cut in the top panel to provide access to another added switch labeled > "Pilot Timed" / "Not Timed". The front panel remained stock McMartin, > and on the side was a Zenith Asset Tag. > > What am I bid for this rare piece of Broadcast Television Stereo > history? I know of at least one in this group who has used MTS stereo for ATV (amateur (ham) television), and I could think of a few uses for it myself (although I can't afford what I think it's worth- Upwards to $500-$1000). What I wish I had were any of the experimental AMS equipment from between the 1950s and 1980s, receivers and/or generators, not to mention any of the papers done for all the various systems. (Around here, there is NO access to a technical library.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Sep 30 15:09:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14411 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 22:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 22:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 22:09:41 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.219]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:11:19 -0400 Message-ID: <003801c3879f$7209caa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: OT- TV amatuer broadcasting Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:08:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Anyone know the rules about experimental TV broadcasting? What is the permissible wattage and range for a "part 15" unlicensed type of setup? (you all know where I'm going with this... :-) CC From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Sep 30 15:23:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9387 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 22:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 22:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 22:23:52 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030930222349.YZIL14069.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:23:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:23:56 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 08:29 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > > But of course, stereo sound is hardly a benefit when your TV has > crappy speakers to begin with.=A0 These days, TVs with speaker outputs > are nowhere to be found, and the built-in speakers are universally > medicore -- perhaps because with today's compact plastic-cased TVs, > you can't get the same kind of cabinet resonance that helped give > classic televisions a rich, full-bodied tone. > > Zenith (LG) still makes a wood console TV that sounds great. Too bad=20 consoles are considered old fashioned. Richard Wagoner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oscar@globility.com Tue Sep 30 15:30:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25809 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 22:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 22:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 22:30:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2003 22:30:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:30:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr.M S" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.246.60 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Someone sent me this a while ago. I don't know if it is wishful thinking but it would be worthwhile for AM's to know about if it is true. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Seems like I heard that running in AM stereo, even for stations with mono programming, actually cleaned up some kind of minor distortion even when played on mono AM radios. Was this just sales hype by manufacturers of AM stereo generators, or does it really help clean up any AM signal?" I have been involved in installing AM stereo on several stations, one being all news KFWB in Los Angeles. At that time KFWB was owned by Westinghouse and corporate came up with the dictate that everyone should be stereo. At first I thought that this was a huge waste of money for an all news AM. However the result of having to wide band the antenna and clean up the STL and the transmitter to enable AM stereo really made an impressive difference to the on air sound. The biggest improvement came with the audio filter that was in the stereo generator to limit pass band audio to 10khz. This eliminated all sorts of harmonics and out of band trash that were causing alot of IM grunge in the transmitter. The bottom line is AM stereo by itself does not clean up the audio, what you have to do to enable AM stereo and the filters required, make a vast improvement in the on air signal. From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 15:33:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28096 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 22:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 22:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 22:33:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2003 22:33:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:33:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT- TV amatuer broadcasting Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003801c3879f$7209caa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1099 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.189 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Anyone know the rules about experimental TV broadcasting? What is the > permissible wattage and range for a "part 15" unlicensed type of setup? > (you all know where I'm going with this... :-) Other than closed-circuit/cable, I don't think so. Taken from: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_01/47cfr15_01.html From 15.209, below paragraph (a) and the table of power limits: ** Except as provided in paragraph (g), fundamental emissions from intentional radiators operating under this section shall not be located in the frequency bands 54-72 MHz, 76-88 MHz, 174-216 MHz or 470-806 MHz. However, operation within these frequency bands is permItted under other sections of this part, e.g., Secs. 15.231 and 15.241. From paragraph (g): (g) Perimeter protection systems may operate in the 54-72 MHz and 76-88 MHz bands under the provisions of this section. The use of such perimeter protection systems is limited to industrial, business and commercial applications. sorry. :/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Sep 30 15:35:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30074 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 22:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 22:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 22:35:23 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030930223524.SPUN7393.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:35:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:35:27 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator, & ultra-cheap stereo VCR Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6388DB69-F396-11D7-8FAE-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's it right there. CD singles took sales from full CDs. Screw the public, drop the singles. Now that people have grown tired of paying $18 for one or two songs, record companies wonder why sales are down????? On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 11:31 AM, narkspud wrote: > They were low margin, high > maintenance items that took away from sales of the regular > CDs, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 15:43:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11838 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 22:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 22:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 22:43:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2003 22:43:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:43:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2076 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.189 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > Someone sent me this a while ago. I don't know if it is wishful > thinking but it would be worthwhile for AM's to know about if it is > true. > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > "Seems like I heard that running in AM stereo, even for stations with > mono programming, actually cleaned up some kind of minor distortion > even when played on mono AM radios. Was this just sales hype by > manufacturers of AM stereo generators, or does it really help clean > up any AM signal?" I can persoinally vouch for this as one who converted to AMS from listening to an AMS station on a mono receiver, finding that it did indeed improve the sound quality. It WAS noticable. > I have been involved in installing AM stereo on several stations, one > being all news KFWB in Los Angeles. At that time KFWB was owned by > Westinghouse and corporate came up with the dictate that everyone > should be stereo. At first I thought that this was a huge waste of > money for an all news AM. > > However the result of having to wide band the antenna and clean up > the STL and the transmitter to enable AM stereo really made an > impressive difference to the on air sound. > > The biggest improvement came with the audio filter that was in the > stereo generator to limit pass band audio to 10khz. This eliminated > all sorts of harmonics and out of band trash that were causing alot > of IM grunge in the transmitter. > > The bottom line is AM stereo by itself does not clean up the audio, > what you have to do to enable AM stereo and the filters required, > make a vast improvement in the on air signal. Cleaning up the audio chain is part of it. Certainly being mindful of antenna and modulator phasing issues does not hurt, either. :) Phase distortion accounts for quite a bit of quality issues when broadcasting. Just installing the exciter won't solve it, but the effort to make the exciter work will. So yes, AM stereo DOES improve mono reception. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Sep 30 15:46:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16304 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 22:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 22:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 22:46:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2003 22:46:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:46:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT- TV amatuer broadcasting Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003801c3879f$7209caa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 577 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Anyone know the rules about experimental TV broadcasting? What is the > permissible wattage and range for a "part 15" unlicensed type of setup? > (you all know where I'm going with this... :-) > CC You can get an Ameteur Radio Technicians license and do ameteur TV transmittion in both FastScan(NTSC) and SlowScan. Just go to http://www.qrz.com and take the sample test until you are familiar with it. Then contact your local Ameteur Radio club and they can give you the test to get your license. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 16:04:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98668 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 23:04:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 23:04:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 23:04:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2003 23:04:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:04:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 756 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What am I bid for this rare piece of Broadcast Television Stereo > history? No charge to haul it away. Seriously, though, I'm sure you'll find somebody interested in it, although without documentation on the design and purpose of its modifications, it may only be useable as a museum piece. I am reminded of the vintage "TV camera" I once had... it was surely a '60s design, with a sturdy metal cabinet and lots of vacuum-tube circuitry inside. About the size of a breadbox, it put out a weak, dim, and blurry black & white video image on Channel 3, with no sound. I'm sure with an electrical restoration, it could've performed much better, but I didn't have much use for it anyway, so I gave it to somebody more willing to tinker with it. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 16:10:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33458 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 23:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 23:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 23:10:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2003 23:10:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:10:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT- TV amatuer broadcasting Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 325 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > sorry. :/ Does Ramsey still sell the "TV-6"? It was a low-power color TV transmitter that put out a signal on VHF Channel 6. I remember seeing it in their catalog a few years back. I guess they designed it for Channel 6 because that way you can receive the audio part of the signal on most FM radios at 87.75 MHz. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 19:45:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62599 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 02:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 02:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 02:45:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2003 02:45:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 02:45:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Radio Reloj Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1076 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Almost every night here in New Jersey, I can receive "Radio Reloj" from Cuba on 570 and 950 kHz -- in the background of local-strength 570 WMCA from NYC, and mixing with semi-fringe 950 WPEN from Philadelphia (in AM Stereo!). Sometimes I can only make out the beep and Morse code "RR" every minute, but last night I was able to pull Reloj in clearly enough on 950 kHz to hear the news announcers and even the second "ticks" as well. Anybody know how much power these transmitters are running? I'm a good 1300 miles North of Havana, and I was using my Sony SRF-A300 radio with only its built-in ferrite bar antenna. I also get consistently good reception of the Spanish station on 530 kHz from the Turks & Caicos islands in the British West Indies, which is using either 100,000 or 150,000 watts (I forget which). And the funny thing is, that station simulasts on 1330 WWRV in New York, whose transmitter is only about 30 miles away from me... yet, I don't even get a trace of WWRV at night -- only the 530 kHz station from well over a thousand miles away! From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Sep 30 20:04:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15695 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 03:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 03:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 03:04:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:04:16 -0700 Received: from 172.173.193.232 by bay7-dav53.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 03:04:15 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: the "graveyard" channels Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:00:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2003 03:04:16.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[B31172E0:01C387C8] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.173.193.232] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Kevin T. wrote: >Nighttime Class D signals are known as "flea-power" or "peanut-whistle". Last night I nearly ran off the road laughing while DXing while driving. I heard an UN-IDed station with the sweeper "Blasting through the Midnight sky with FOUR POINT SEVEN Watts of POWER!....Veee Fifteen-Ninety." then it was back into the muck. Kevin From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Sep 30 20:10:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86793 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 03:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 03:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao07.cox.net) (68.6.19.124) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 03:10:54 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031001031052.ZDF18769.fed1mtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:10:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:11:00 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: the "graveyard" channels Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Warning: Off Topic FM Content) Not done as a joke, really, but Cal State Long Beach's former student-run station, KSUL (90.1 FM) , used to brag that they broadcast with 10 million microwatts of power, from a transmitter high atop 444 West Ocean Blvd ... Unfortunately they were turned off so that the administration could bring in a professionally-run station and effectively killed off the radio program at the school. Richard Wagoner On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 08:00 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin T. wrote: > > Last night I nearly ran off the road laughing while DXing while > driving. I > heard an UN-IDed station with the sweeper "Blasting through the > Midnight sky > with FOUR POINT SEVEN Watts of POWER!....Veee Fifteen-Ninety." then it > was > back into the muck. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Sep 30 20:25:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85505 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 03:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 03:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 03:25:38 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.158.179.99]) by imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20031001032537.CZPO1821.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan>; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:25:37 -0400 Message-ID: <004401c387cb$afa96150$af78fea9@juan> To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Reloj Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:25:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, I received both 570 Radio Reloj, and 530 Turks and Caicos Islands in the day....during my trip to Myrtle Beach, SC. I have to wonder how far north 570 and 530 get out during daylight hours over salt water..? Must be pretty awesome ! Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:45 PM Subject: {AMSF} Radio Reloj Almost every night here in New Jersey, I can receive "Radio Reloj" from Cuba on 570 and 950 kHz -- in the background of local-strength 570 WMCA from NYC, and mixing with semi-fringe 950 WPEN from Philadelphia (in AM Stereo!). Sometimes I can only make out the beep and Morse code "RR" every minute, but last night I was able to pull Reloj in clearly enough on 950 kHz to hear the news announcers and even the second "ticks" as well. Anybody know how much power these transmitters are running? I'm a good 1300 miles North of Havana, and I was using my Sony SRF-A300 radio with only its built-in ferrite bar antenna. I also get consistently good reception of the Spanish station on 530 kHz from the Turks & Caicos islands in the British West Indies, which is using either 100,000 or 150,000 watts (I forget which). And the funny thing is, that station simulasts on 1330 WWRV in New York, whose transmitter is only about 30 miles away from me... yet, I don't even get a trace of WWRV at night -- only the 530 kHz station from well over a thousand miles away! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 20:30:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66600 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 03:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 03:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 03:30:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20031001033025.60754.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:30:25 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT: Stereo TV modulator To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio This Radio Shaft Stereo TV broadcaster is most likely the genuine article. I receieved an email from Motorola a while back promoting an actual Stereo RF broadcast Chip, so if they are using this chip, it would actually put MTS stereo over the RF into your stereo TV set. What took them so long to make something useful like this is beyond me, but then again, analog CQuam AM stereo that works is another useful technology that Motorola has brought to us that is lost by 85% of the general public. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 20:31:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5735 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 03:31:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 03:31:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 03:31:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2003 03:31:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 03:31:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Reloj Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1063 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.174 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Almost every night here in New Jersey, I can receive "Radio Reloj" > from Cuba on 570 and 950 kHz -- in the background of local-strength > 570 WMCA from NYC, and mixing with semi-fringe 950 WPEN from > Philadelphia (in AM Stereo!). Sometimes I can only make out the beep > and Morse code "RR" every minute, but last night I was able to pull > Reloj in clearly enough on 950 kHz to hear the news announcers and > even the second "ticks" as well. You can hear Radio Reloj on the internet with Windows Media Player at: http://www.media.islagrande.cu/radio/rc3.asx > Anybody know how much power these transmitters are running? I'm a > good 1300 miles North of Havana, and I was using my Sony SRF-A300 I don't think there are any official power figures given for their stations, but I have heard anywhere between 250 kW and 1 megawatt. The reason is obvious- to drown out any American "propaganda". (And I would rather not get into the politics of that.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 20:39:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92707 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 03:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 03:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 03:39:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2003 03:39:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 03:39:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo TV modulator Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031001033025.60754.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 918 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.174 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > This Radio Shaft Stereo TV broadcaster is most likely the genuine article. > > I receieved an email from Motorola a while back promoting an actual Stereo RF > broadcast Chip, so if they are using this chip, it would actually put MTS > stereo over the RF into your stereo TV set. What took them so long to make > something useful like this is beyond me, but then again, analog CQuam AM stereo > that works is another useful technology that Motorola has brought to us that is > lost by 85% of the general public. Just to put it in perspective, MTS stereo enjoys the same receiver saturation as C-QUAM stereo: Only about 15% of ALL currently-used TVs and VCRs have MTS stereo. (Contrast this with the fact that only 75% of all TV broadcasters use MTS stereo! This is where C-QUAM doesn't compare as well. :( ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From krichards@wor710.com Wed Oct 01 03:11:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27723 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 10:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 10:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 10:10:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2003 10:10:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:10:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2352 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH C-QUAM!! > "Seems like I heard that running in AM stereo, even for stations with > mono programming, actually cleaned up some kind of minor distortion > even when played on mono AM radios. Was this just sales hype by > manufacturers of AM stereo generators, or does it really help clean > up any AM signal?" > >> > However the result of having to wide band the antenna and clean up > the STL and the transmitter to enable AM stereo really made an > impressive difference to the on air sound. > > The biggest improvement came with the audio filter that was in the > stereo generator to limit pass band audio to 10khz. This eliminated > all sorts of harmonics and out of band trash that were causing alot > of IM grunge in the transmitter. > Of course, if you clean up the airchain the audio is going to sound better. What 10khz filter in the stereo generator? In those days you could run flat out as far as you wanted, (pre-nrsc curve). Even WINS had C-Quam, but to this day there is no stereo audio in the plant. The idea was to light the pilot on the General Manager's AM Stereo car radio. They even tried to simulate stereo with a couple of different processors, no stereo, and on that old 4 tower in line array, what a mess. WLW was flat out to 20khz. WNBC with Kahn and later C-Quam was out to almost 15khz. Almost like FM. I had a Sansui AM Stereo car radio in those days, it was great, especially near the City Island transmitter, but got noisy in lower Manhattan and in Jersey, where to this day CBS still has trouble. You could be on the Bayonne bridge looking at the WINS array, day or nite and be in a serious null (no signal), all of Staten Island was "platform -shift heaven", terrible. The new array has fixed this. Both KFWB and KFI had excellent AM Stereo audio on air, but I always think of KYW which had the greatest AM Stereo in those days. You would be listening to the newscaster talk into the Newsradio jingle and the Stereo would jump out of the radio. Even the "newsticker" was redone in Stereo. (Glynn Walden was the chief there in those days.) At least Westinghouse gave it a shot, some of the owned properties really made an effort to get AM Stereo on air. KDKA was still playing music on air when it was turned on, so was WBZ. Kerry.............. From krichards@wor710.com Wed Oct 01 03:16:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45712 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 10:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 10:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 10:16:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2003 10:16:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:16:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WOR-HD Radio in Philly Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 315 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 68.166.100.54 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 Got a report from Russ at the Ibiquity Booth that WOR-HD is coming in clear "in core" on the NAB convention center floor in Philly..... Analog was a little noisy, but the HD signal was clear, no glitches, this was a daytime report. Pretty good for only 1500 watts of HD carrier. I was surprised.... Kerry. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Oct 01 03:55:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60302 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 10:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 10:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 10:55:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2003 10:55:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:55:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1752 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" wrote: > THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH C-QUAM!! Actually, I think it does-- C-QUAM, as with all the other AMS systems, involvedc controlling carrier and/or sideband phasing, which most monaural transmitters weren't adjusted for- Other than some amount of phase distortion, it just didn't matter much. In order for C-QUAM and other systems to work, phasing issues had to be addressed, especially to get good phasing close in to the carrier and above 4 kHz. Most transmitter setups didn't pass these two ends without phasing problems. So, where exactly does this leave the exciter in the improvement? It is controlled phasing, something the exciter is intended to do, and the distortion effect is reduced by the control, which gives the broadcasted signal a fuller, richer sound. I think AM stereo could be considered a real advantage for the broadcaster, if the broadcaster is concerned about his/her transmitted signal quality, even on a mono radio. When I was just a young mouse, I remember KFI switching to its backup transmitter for periodic maintenance. The difference was astounding. :) The non-stereo transmitter had decent mid-range, but lacked a tight bass and crisp treble, but the main transmitter, with its Harris exciter, had a full, rich bass, and crisp, almost lifelike highs. And this was on a late '70s portable shortwave radio I had at the time. I was convinced that if an AM stereo radio station could sound noticably better on a mono radio, it must sound GREAT on a stereo one- And it was. Never looked back. :) AM stereo does make it sound better on common mono radios. It's subtle, but it was better. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (tired mousie) From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 01 07:13:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13548 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 14:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 14:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80501.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 14:13:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20031001141313.4300.qmail@web80501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.90] by web80501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 07:13:13 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Reloj To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > Almost every night here in New Jersey, I can receive > "Radio Reloj" > from Cuba on 570 and 950 kHz -- in the background of > local-strength > 570 WMCA from NYC, and mixing with semi-fringe 950 > WPEN from > Philadelphia (in AM Stereo!). Sometimes I can only > make out the beep > and Morse code "RR" every minute, but last night I > was able to pull > Reloj in clearly enough on 950 kHz to hear the news > announcers and > even the second "ticks" as well. Yes you should hear these well. > Anybody know how much power these transmitters are > running? I'm a > good 1300 miles North of Havana, and I was using my > Sony SRF-A300 > radio with only its built-in ferrite bar antenna. I > also get > consistently good reception of the Spanish station > on 530 kHz from > the Turks & Caicos islands in the British West > Indies, which is > using either 100,000 or 150,000 watts (I forget > which). And the > funny thing is, that station simulasts on 1330 WWRV > in New York, > whose transmitter is only about 30 miles away from > me... yet, I don't > even get a trace of WWRV at night -- only the 530 > kHz station from > well over a thousand miles away! This is actually a ho hum, ( and replying to Juan's daytime reception too) that on the east coast our conductivity over LAND is poor. The best conductivity over land is 30. Over salt water is 5000, yes FIVE THOUSAND! Out at sea reception is amazing. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 01 07:14:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76332 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 14:14:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 14:14:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80503.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 14:14:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20031001141434.41032.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.90] by web80503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 07:14:34 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: the "graveyard" channels To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Kevin T. wrote: > >Nighttime Class D signals are known as "flea-power" > or "peanut-whistle". > > Last night I nearly ran off the road laughing while > DXing while driving. I > heard an UN-IDed station with the sweeper "Blasting > through the Midnight sky > with FOUR POINT SEVEN Watts of POWER!....Veee > Fifteen-Ninety." then it was > back into the muck. > Kevin It is funny, but for reall yucks, they should have done it in microwatts..... ]:) Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 01 09:04:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32820 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 16:00:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 16:00:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 16:00:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2003 15:58:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:58:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR-HD Radio in Philly Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1379 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Analog was a little noisy, but the HD signal was clear, no glitches, > this was a daytime report. But remember that with hybrid IBOC, when listeners tune in an IBOC station (AM or FM), they're going to hear the *analog* signal for the first few seconds, before the digital part can buffer up and start playing. So, regardless of how clean the digital reception may be, if people hear noise or static when they tune in a station, they'll just hit the seek button again, or switch to a different preset, just like they do now. Are they going to sit and wait 5 or 6 seconds to see if the signal will switch into digital mode? I don't think so -- the average listener's attention span while "dial-surfing" isn't nearly that long. Even radios that mute the audio for a split-second while tuning are an annoyance to many, because they want to hear the next station instantly. Thus, as long as it remains a hybrid analog/digital system, IBOC will continue to be limited by the effectiveness of each station's ANALOG signal. And since IBOC degrades the quality of an AM station's analog signal, then listener perceptions are going to be degraded as well... so what good is it? > Pretty good for only 1500 watts of HD carrier. Try listening to 880 WCBS in Philly, where 860 WWDB is pumping out their IBOC sidebands up to 875 kHz, and then get back to me.... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 01 09:11:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97524 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 16:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 16:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 16:11:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2003 16:11:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:11:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 860 WWDB goes IBOC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 879 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As part of the promo for the NAB show, Philly daytimer 860 WWDB has indeed begun transmitting IBOC. 50 miles away in central NJ, their sideband hash renders 850 WREF almost completely unlistenable, and adds significant hiss to 840 WVPO. If I adjust my antenna right, I can even hear hiss in the background of 50,000-watt 880 WCBS, despite their commanding city-grade signal in my area. Meanwhile, here's another listener report, for the Philadelphia radio message board on www.radio-info.com: "I'm 20 miles on the backside of WWDB and noticed considerable sideband hash out 20 kHz into WCBS, even with a narrowband tuner. The Harris DX 10 transmitter cleared up the severe phase distortion normally heard on backside of WWDB's pattern (west)." Thankfully, though, Philly's 950 WPEN and 1210 WPHT continue to broadcast in clear, hash-free, high-fidelity AM Stereo! From jim@burgan.net Wed Oct 01 09:47:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8588 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 16:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 16:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-3.iquest.net) (206.246.180.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 16:45:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 8646 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 16:45:00 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-3.iquest.net with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 16:45:00 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-31.iquest.net [209.43.58.31]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with SMTP id AOO16665; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:44:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006d01c3883b$5c2459c0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Night-time propagation---> was the "graveyard" channels Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:45:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Last night I nearly ran off the road laughing while DXing while driving. I > heard an UN-IDed station with the sweeper "Blasting through the Midnight sky > with FOUR POINT SEVEN Watts of POWER!....Veee Fifteen-Ninety." then it was > back into the muck. When they first started manufacturing expanded band radios, it was a year or two before they started licensing stations. I used to sit in my driveway at night (in Central Indiana) and listen to a couple of TIS stations at Dallas/Ft. Worth airport operated by American Airlines. 1630 kHz was arrivals and 1680 kHz was departures. It wasn't a very strong signal, but it was very consistent and rarely faded out. I later learned that they were transmitting with 65 watts (well above the normal 5-10 watts of a TIS station), but that was still a pretty good trip for 65 watts. There were tons of other DX junkies across the USA who heard these stations. It was frequently talked about on rec.radio.broadcasting. That just goes to show you that night-time propagation on those EB stations is exceptional. The station in Iowa City on 1630 kHz, KCJJ was one of the first stations to sign-on in this band and they came in better than WHO in Des Moines, a 50kw clear-channel station on 1040 kHz. Speaking of KCJJ.. I haven't heard them for a while. They used to sound great, playing Hot AC in C-Quam stereo (I believe they were simulcasting and FM sister). Night-time platform motion was never an issue. Does anyone know if they are they still playing music in stereo? From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Oct 01 10:45:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15595 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 17:45:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 17:45:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 17:45:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2003 17:44:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:44:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3462 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Richards" > wrote: > > THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH C-QUAM!! > > Actually, I think it does-- C-QUAM, as with all the other AMS > systems, involvedc controlling carrier and/or sideband phasing, > which most monaural transmitters weren't adjusted for- Other than > some amount of phase distortion, it just didn't matter much. In > order for C-QUAM and other systems to work, phasing issues had to be > addressed, especially to get good phasing close in to the carrier > and above 4 kHz. Most transmitter setups didn't pass these two ends > without phasing problems. > > So, where exactly does this leave the exciter in the improvement? It > is controlled phasing, something the exciter is intended to do, and > the distortion effect is reduced by the control, which gives the > broadcasted signal a fuller, richer sound. While many of the problems "above 4 kHz" may be sideband amplitude and phase asymmetry problems, some of it is due to simple audio phase problems, and the problems "close in to the carrier" are probably entirely audio phase problems. I don't know about the latest C-Quam generators, but the older ones were only able to correct the simple audio phase problems, and made no provision that I am aware of to correct sideband amplitude and phase asymmetry problems. Some audio processors, at least many older ones, provide similar circuits to correct audio phase problems in the transmitter, which is necessary to provide tight peak modulation control, a C-Quam exciter is hardly needed to correct these problems. As far as sideband amplitude and phase asymmetry problems caused by the antenna array, I have no idea if there is any way to deal with these problems other than by reworking the antenna array? I suppose an exciter could be built that might correct for sideband amplitude and phase asymmetry problems caused by the antenna system, but I have no idea if modern C-Quam exciters go beyond the simple audio corrections provided by the old C- Quam exciters. > I think AM stereo could be considered a real advantage for the > broadcaster, if the broadcaster is concerned about his/her > transmitted signal quality, even on a mono radio. I don't see how this follows? The issues can be dealt with, without installing a C-Quam exciter. > When I was just a young mouse, I remember KFI switching to its > backup transmitter for periodic maintenance. The difference was > astounding. :) The non-stereo transmitter had decent mid-range, but > lacked a tight bass and crisp treble, but the main transmitter, with > its Harris exciter, had a full, rich bass, and crisp, almost > lifelike highs. And this was on a late '70s portable shortwave radio > I had at the time. I was convinced that if an AM stereo radio > station could sound noticably better on a mono radio, it must sound > GREAT on a stereo one- And it was. Never looked back. :) Did you ever stop to think that the backup transmitter might be a considerably older transmitter, that doesn't have the linearity, or transparency, of a newer transmitter, especially a modern digital transmitter? > AM stereo does make it sound better on common mono radios. It's > subtle, but it was better. You haven't proved your case that AM stereo is what makes the "common mono radio" sound better. John From krichards@wor710.com Wed Oct 01 12:34:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26617 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 19:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 19:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 19:28:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2003 19:27:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:27:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2930 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > Did you ever stop to think that the backup transmitter might be a > considerably older transmitter, that doesn't have the linearity, or > transparency, of a newer transmitter, especially a modern digital > transmitter? > > > AM stereo does make it sound better on common mono radios. It's > > subtle, but it was better. > > You haven't proved your case that AM stereo is what makes the "common > mono radio" sound better. > > John I agree with John on this one, a good example is the WOR air chain connected to the Aux TX, it's a 9100 adjusted very conservatively, and there's no way it is as loud or as crisp as the 9200 on the main TX.....so that answers that. The other isssue is simply IPM and APM, (incidental phase modulation, asymetrical phase modulation), you have to remove this from your transmitter and antenna to get C-Quam to work right, naturally this makes anything transmitted through the plant sound better, be it mono or stereo. Today with IBOC this issue is described as "Spectral Regrowth" and or just common ringing. During a typical C-Quam install circa 1983, many hours would be spent trying to remove these products from the plant. That's why the Motorola exciter had a comparison output for testing purposes. You can well imagine all of the problems that would surface during an install on an old existing array and or typical tube transmitter of the day. Been there done that...... But if you had a nice non directional stick, a good transmitter, and reasonable processing these issues did not arise too often. There were always problems with the power supplies of some of the old transmitters which caused a lot of low frequency tilt. Then you had the driver sections and output tanks which had to be carefully tuned for good bandwidth, and efficient operation, with low IPM. The antenna was almost always a problem, depending on the array, everything from ringing, to high VSWR at the high frequency end, or just plain poor bandwidth. These problems usually required days to repair, or correct, or in some cases were left alone, and as a result the whole thing sounded like crap or would have poor stereo separation. This was the usual outcome. Radios then were a real problem, and they all behaved differently, this caused a lot of grief, just like today! So the underlying corrections to make C-Quam work right will correct a lot of problems, but running C-Quam today, as then, cannot guaratee a high quality mono signal, and in some cases can cause a poor mono signal and loss of coverage. The correct thinking here is any improvement along the way from the studio to receiver will improve the transmission, be it stereo or mono. The C-Quam exciter if not installed correctly or connected to a low quality antenna or phasor will degrade the signal and coverage. Kerry......... From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Wed Oct 01 12:47:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22852 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 19:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 19:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.174) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 19:47:49 -0000 Received: from user-641.bbd06tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.106.129] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1A4mwu-0000ou-An for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 20:47:48 +0100 Message-ID: <+mzCZAERFqe$EwwZ@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:41:37 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Powell said: Heck I'd like to even have a 1 KW SW station. Current minimum is 50KW with a prohibition of broadcasting to a domestic audience....and that prohibition comes from the 30's and a scare of Communism? ____________________________________________________________ You want to check out some of the US HF stations target areas. I believe it was WBCQ up in Maine that stated it's target audience was the Spanish speakers in Central and or S. America. Nice line down the eastern seaboard of the USA thank you very much. So much for the rule regarding a non-domestic audience. They are not the only ones that play that game on HF from the US. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From brian60420@yahoo.com Wed Oct 01 12:55:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72242 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 19:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 19:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80604.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 19:55:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20031001195519.12742.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.24.179.207] by web80604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:55:19 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Expanded Band station in Chicago area To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: brian60420 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sitting here in the area, but no signal yet. Any idea when this thing will go "On-Air". My 5 receivers are ready now. To be honest, I'm getting a little sick of Radio Disney tune rotation. Brian >"Kevin T." wrote: >It has been reported that a new Expanded Band station, 1690 WHTE >in Berwyn, IL, will soon be going on the air, with a non-directional >10,000W daytime / 1000W nighttime signal. >This station, owned by Clear Channel, will feature an Adult >Standards/Oldies music format, and rumour has it they are trying to >obtain the old WCFL call letters. >Now, the question is, will this new Chicago-area 1690 kHz station >broadcast in AM Stereo, as Expanded Band stations are obligated to >by the FCC rules? We shall see... although I don't know if I'll be >able to consistently receive them here in NJ, due to the closer >presence of 1690 WPTX in Maryland, a CNN Headline News station which >is at least putting out the AM Stereo pilot tone. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Oct 01 15:20:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77151 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 22:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 22:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 22:20:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2003 22:20:34 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57196 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 22:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 22:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 22:14:27 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.12c.327e8d5c (16930) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12c.327e8d5c.2cacab99@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:13:45 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 860 WWDB goes IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Oct 2003 22:20:33 -0000 I had the same problem when KFUO 850 is transmitting IBOC...it even screwed up reception of WLS 890 Chicago, in addition to WCBW 880 Highland, IL. Since the station is on 860, I would think the IBOC hash goes from 830 to 900 (depending on how close you are to the Philly station on 900). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Oct 01 15:26:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1665 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 22:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 22:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 22:26:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2003 22:20:52 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8679 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 22:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 22:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 22:14:56 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.148.1a04ff9b (16930) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <148.1a04ff9b.2cacab9a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:13:46 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOR-HD Radio in Philly To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Oct 2003 22:20:45 -0000 HD signals are NOT CLEAR...the analog signals are clearer than the HD (which should really be LOW DEFINITION, since analog is TRUE HIGH DEFINITION RADIO) and causes massive ACI covering 70 kHz of the band. Again, IBOC is NOT COMPATIBLE with analog receivers, and should be scrapped, once and for all. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 01 15:28:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18487 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 22:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 22:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80507.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 22:28:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20031001222859.47399.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.93.45.62] by web80507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:28:59 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: expanded band fun To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006d01c3883b$5c2459c0$9802a8c0@jimspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Jim Burgan wrote: > That just goes to show you that night-time > propagation on those EB stations > is exceptional. The station in Iowa City on 1630 > kHz, KCJJ was one of the > first stations to sign-on in this band and they came > in better than WHO in > Des Moines, a 50kw clear-channel station on 1040 > kHz. Actually there were quite a few others first. WJDM on 1660 was THE first. > Speaking of KCJJ.. I haven't heard them for a while. > They used to sound > great, playing Hot AC in C-Quam stereo (I believe > they were simulcasting and > FM sister). Night-time platform motion was never an > issue. Does anyone > know if they are they still playing music in stereo? I can hear them even though there's a 1630 in Augusta 60 some miles from me. This Beasley station has execeptionally poor groundwave coverage locally. KCJJ is often dominant above them. I have a tape of WJDM testing and ( there's no ID ) I recorded it with the TM-152. They played a 4 Seasons CD but it's MONO, though they WERE running AM Stereo, and the static of course IS in stereo..... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Oct 01 15:37:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35970 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 22:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 22:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 22:37:53 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.199]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:39:35 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01c3886c$8d03fc40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: OT- Computer question Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:37:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Someone on this group should know this- I am getting a new computer real soon, but I want Win 98 on it- as well as XP. Some say I can use two hard drives- one with the 98 OS, and the other with XP. True? (I have to keep Win 98- My PC design program will not run on anything newer than 98, as well as 3 other programs that were too expensive to buy over again, just because the OS changes...) Any ideas? (I do NOT want to keep two separate computers) Chris From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Oct 01 15:45:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51876 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 22:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 22:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 22:45:02 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn14.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.18]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:45:01 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT- Computer question Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:44:08 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <006b01c3886c$8d03fc40$0101a8c0@pavilion> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris You can just have 2 separate partitions on the hard drive. You can run WindowsXP on one partition and then run Windows98 on the other. It's called a dual-boot system. I'm sure your new machine will have a nice big hard drive that'll work for this. I believe there is a program called Partition Magic that I've used in the past to set up something like this. If you want to email me off-list I can give ya more details. That's my OTHER job....I run a computer shop besides working at the radio station. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Chris Cuff [mailto:ccuff@in4web.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 4:37 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} OT- Computer question Someone on this group should know this- I am getting a new computer real soon, but I want Win 98 on it- as well as XP. Some say I can use two hard drives- one with the 98 OS, and the other with XP. True? (I have to keep Win 98- My PC design program will not run on anything newer than 98, as well as 3 other programs that were too expensive to buy over again, just because the OS changes...) Any ideas? (I do NOT want to keep two separate computers) Chris Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 01 15:55:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61951 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 22:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 22:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 22:55:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2003 22:55:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:55:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: expanded band fun Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031001222859.47399.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1860 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Actually there were quite a few others first. WJDM on > 1660 was THE first. ..... > I have a tape of WJDM testing and ( there's no ID ) I > recorded it with the TM-152. They played a 4 Seasons > CD but it's MONO, though they WERE running AM Stereo, > and the static of course IS in stereo..... 1660 WJDM went on the air in late 1995, running 10,000 watts from sunrise until sign-off at 10:00 PM Eastern time. They played automated Oldies music with IDs touting them as "America's first radio station on the new Expanded Band". I have a letter from their Chief Engineer dated January 1996, and he confirmed the rumor I heard that 1660 WJDM would be switching to the "Radio Aahs" children's format. Indeed they did, and they broadcast it with full STEREO sound... at least until they moved their daytime transmitter site and began diplexing with 1380 WKDM. Then, 1660 became mono during the daytime, and full Stereo at night, when they switched back to the original WJDM transmitter site for the 1000-watt nighttime signal. Now, the Radio Aahs format is long gone -- Radio Disney essentially stole the idea from them and put them out of business -- and after a series of format and call letter changes, 1660 is now WWRU, licensed to Jersey City, NJ, and broadcasting the "Radio Unica" Spanish talk format, targeted at New York City. They are putting out an AM Stereo signal 24 hours a day -- including their new 10,000-watt directional nighttime signal -- but the Radio Unica programming is all produced in mono. Here is a recording (unfortunately in low-fidelity mono) of 1660 WJDM's initial Oldies format, circa late 1995: http://tinyurl.com/pdnw And here are two MP3 recordings of WJDM's "Radio Aahs" kids' format, as received on my Sony SRF-42 in AM Stereo, circa early 1997: http://tinyurl.com/pdo7 http://tinyurl.com/pdoc From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Oct 01 16:55:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34761 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 23:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2003 23:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 23:55:19 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031001235515.MBBL28276.fed1mtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:55:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:55:29 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer question Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c3886c$8d03fc40$0101a8c0@pavilion> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems like it should be easy. Macs have been able to boot into various systems -- even on the same partition -- for years. On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 03:37 PM, Chris Cuff wrote: > Someone on this group should know this- I am getting a new computer > real > soon, but I want Win 98 on it- as well as XP. Some say I can use two > hard > drives- one with the 98 OS, and the other with XP. True? > (I have to keep Win 98- My PC design program will not run on anything > newer > than 98, as well as 3 other programs that were too expensive to buy > over > again, just because the OS changes...) > Any ideas? (I do NOT want to keep two separate computers) > Chris > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Oct 01 18:35:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82866 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 01:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 01:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 01:35:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20031002013537.17352.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.37] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:35:37 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer question To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You install the lower(older) OS FIRST ie Windows 98 on one partition then you install 2000/XP after 98 on the second partition(drive D or whatever letter) if you do it back to front then dual boot wont work and it will boot off the primary disk only(you should get a bootup option when its done properly usually gives 30 seconds to choose otherwise it defaults to XP.Michael Richard Wagoner wrote: Seems like it should be easy. Macs have been able to boot into various systems -- even on the same partition -- for years. On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 03:37 PM, Chris Cuff wrote: > Someone on this group should know this- I am getting a new computer > real > soon, but I want Win 98 on it- as well as XP. Some say I can use two > hard > drives- one with the 98 OS, and the other with XP. True? > (I have to keep Win 98- My PC design program will not run on anything > newer > than 98, as well as 3 other programs that were too expensive to buy > over > again, just because the OS changes...) > Any ideas? (I do NOT want to keep two separate computers) > Chris > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Oct 01 21:04:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3999 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 04:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 04:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 04:04:01 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9243x03010439 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:04:00 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9243xg30922 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:03:59 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9243xx30907 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:03:59 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:03:59 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471DC@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: i1197 AM AGM + Ogg Vorbis Live Stream - Sample Rate increase to 3 2k Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:03:55 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day, An update on i1197 - myself and Matt2 went to the AGM last night and met with the management team. Did an AM Stereo demo using the Alfredo Lite - went down very well. They loved it. I explained that I had a Motorola 1300 on its way over and they were very receptive to giving it a demo. They said their contract engineer was "old school" and would need convincing and I said it can't hurt to give it a go. I will show him the info I have got off the net for the Harris MW-1A to optimise it for AMS - the main modification is reducing the IPM by installing a pot instead of a resistor in the base of the TX. Anyway, I will let you know how it goes - they have an Omnidirectional antenna array and the phaser is clearly broadband - have a listen to the live stream off my Sony tuner - I have increased the sampling rate to 32k which gives a max 16000 hz response - a lot better than what I was getting using 22k sampling rate. I am surprised at the increase in high frequency response - I found out they are using a 15 kHz equalised copper pair from the Telco - very good quality if you ask me. If they go stereo they will need to convert it to a 15 kHz stereo phased pair - this seems a lot cheaper than trying to install an STL/ISDN Codecs etc and the sound quality seems better (no additional encoding to introduce artefacts!) They are using a cheap audio processor that sounds quite good - Behringer DSP9024 Ultradyne 6 band stereo processor. Obviously no official AMS support but we can see how it goes until they can an AM Stereo Matrix processor. Here's the link for Classic Winamp 2.9x to listen in. http://xstream1.com:8610/i1197.ogg.m3u Cheers, Matt From bjackson@indyradio.com Wed Oct 01 22:45:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66495 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 05:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 05:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 05:45:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2003 05:45:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 05:45:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Night-time propagation---> was the "graveyard" channels Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006d01c3883b$5c2459c0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 855 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: >The station in Iowa City on 1630 kHz, KCJJ was one of the > first stations to sign-on in this band and they came in better than WHO in > Des Moines, a 50kw clear-channel station on 1040 kHz. > Speaking of KCJJ.. I haven't heard them for a while. They used to sound > great, playing Hot AC in C-Quam stereo (I believe they were simulcasting and > FM sister). Night-time platform motion was never an issue. Does anyone > know if they are they still playing music in stereo? Jim, You should be able to pull KCJJ in from Columbus...You're only about 40 miles south of me...It comes in loud and clear about 99% of the time. Yes, they are still stereo CHR music...It sounds like they are using Jones satelite for overnights, though. - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From bjackson@indyradio.com Wed Oct 01 22:49:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3126 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 05:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 05:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 05:49:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2003 05:49:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 05:49:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT- Computer question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006b01c3886c$8d03fc40$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 667 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Someone on this group should know this- I am getting a new computer real > soon, but I want Win 98 on it- as well as XP. Some say I can use two hard > drives- one with the 98 OS, and the other with XP. True? > (I have to keep Win 98- My PC design program will not run on anything newer > than 98, as well as 3 other programs that were too expensive to buy over > again, just because the OS changes...) > Any ideas? (I do NOT want to keep two separate computers) > Chris Chris, I use Partion Magic on my PC. It lets me have Win 2k, Win 98, Win 3.1, and os/2 Warp 4 all on one PC. -Brad From bjackson@indyradio.com Wed Oct 01 22:55:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53812 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 05:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 05:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 05:55:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2003 05:55:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 05:55:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: More "HD" discussions from rec.audio.pro Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1178 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message news:bkuubp$jb3$1@panix2.panix.com Calling this perceptually-coded stuff "High Definition" has to be some kind of flight of fantasy or fancy marketing. -- Is that what they're calling "HD Radio?" Sheesh! Sounds like the old marketing philosoply that when a new product is sluggish, rename it and get someone to write an article about it like it was new. -- Mike, The other replies were spot-on, I think. The deeper you dig into this technology, the worse it gets. Remember that they've had a dozen years or more (since the Americans decided that they wanted to keep their current spectrum allocation at all costs and abandon the Eureka system the rest of the world is using) to perfect this. There is a 8-second buffer that has to be filled in your car radio before the digital signal starts to play. In the interim, it plays the analog signal. Of course, if the digital signal is lost, the receiver defaults back to analog as well... which should make one wonder: if the digital signal is so superior, why is the analog signal still useable when the digital signal is not? Yours, Dan Popp Colors Audio USA From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 02 00:20:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90551 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 07:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 07:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 07:20:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2003 07:20:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:20:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1630 KCJJ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 854 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yes, they are still stereo CHR music...It sounds like they are > using Jones satelite for overnights, though. KCJJ has done that since they first went on the air. Speaking of which, aah... the memories! They were literally the only station on 1630 kHz in the country (or nearly in the *world*, for that matter), and you could hear them from coast to coast. It was amazing what a 1000-watt stick out in the cornfields of Iowa could do! But alas, the Expanded Band has already gotten too crowded for that anymore; for a while, KCJJ was able to trip my radios into Stereo mode, even if some other station on 1630 kHz was in the foreground, but now even that much of an indication is rare. There's now even a few local TISes thrown into the mix, but at least they are fairly easy to "null out" with a loop antenna like my Terk AM Advantage. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Oct 02 02:46:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55176 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 09:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 09:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.33) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 09:46:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 02:46:57 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:46:56 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Reloj Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:46:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 09:46:57.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E5A94D0:01C388CA] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 I'm 300 miles due north of Havana and I get radio reloj under local 570 even during the day, if the radio is in just the right position. Also at 950, the is a religious station on 950, which even when my Sony A300 is pointed to Orlando, I hear radio reloj almost as well as the Orlando station(during the day) and of course when the radio is pointed south toward Havana radio reloj comes in loud and clear day and night. I suspect that they must be running at least 100,000 watts or it less they must be directional with the signal going north. donn in st petersburg,fl btw - Juan or Dick in Tampa, I am also now getting a Cuban station under a local 910 am here, it's not radio reloj. Are either of you getting the Cuban station at 910? _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Oct 02 03:33:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76269 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 10:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 10:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.126) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 10:33:05 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-012scfairp0171.dialsprint.net ([63.189.176.171] helo=earthlink.net) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1A50lc-00060C-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 03:33:05 -0700 Message-ID: <3F7BFEE8.B61EF607@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 06:33:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer question References: <20031002013537.17352.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I am not a computer technician, but I was under the impression that whereas Win98 is an operating system "program" that is installed over DOS, Win XP is an actual operating system that is NOT installed over DOS, but rather includes a simulated DOS component to accomodate some holdover earlier version programs. This is the reason some earlier version Windows programs won't work on XP. Could someone please clarify this? Dick W. Michael and Ross wrote: > You install the lower(older) OS FIRST ie Windows 98 on one partition then you install 2000/XP after 98 on the second partition(drive D or whatever letter) if you do it back to front then dual boot wont work and it will boot off the primary disk only(you should get a bootup option when its done properly usually gives 30 seconds to choose otherwise it defaults to XP.Michael > > Richard Wagoner wrote: > Seems like it should be easy. Macs have been able to boot into various > systems -- even on the same partition -- for years. > > On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 03:37 PM, Chris Cuff wrote: > > > Someone on this group should know this- I am getting a new computer > > real > > soon, but I want Win 98 on it- as well as XP. Some say I can use two > > hard > > drives- one with the 98 OS, and the other with XP. True? > > (I have to keep Win 98- My PC design program will not run on anything > > newer > > than 98, as well as 3 other programs that were too expensive to buy > > over > > again, just because the OS changes...) > > Any ideas? (I do NOT want to keep two separate computers) > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Michael&Ross > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From oldphones@webtv.net Thu Oct 02 05:18:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87175 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 12:18:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 12:18:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.194) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 12:18:55 -0000 Received: from storefull-2112.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2112.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.152]) by smtpout-3103.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 0C851105DF for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 05:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2112.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA01651; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 05:18:53 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRvOFkmtJm2kUL+L2nB1dfwRHkjsQIUKNuB5XCehRVCWmlrbYu7VhfmxmU= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:18:53 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC Message-ID: <14949-3F7C17AD-654@storefull-2112.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 2 Oct 2003 07:20:55 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Eveny one know IF anyone is trying IBOC in the Upper midwest?? I was getting some really wierd interference yesterday on KMA-AM 960 khz shannadoah, iowa while listening to Paul Harvey around noon. I am about 60 Miles away in Omaha. No Omaha stations are using IBOC so far as best i can determine, nad only one station with a C-Quam pilot. (KOZN 1620) I can't find a good description for the noise I was hearing. Everything seemd fine last night. ????? Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Oct 02 06:51:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97717 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 13:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 13:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 13:51:11 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:51:11 -0600 Message-ID: <001b01c388ec$3cd9ec40$5401010a@AM> To: References: <20031002013537.17352.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> <3F7BFEE8.B61EF607@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer question Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:51:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very good Dick. And you're absolutely right. WinXP simulates some DOS to accomodate older programs that need it. Win98 actually DOES use some DOS. But with a dual, triple (or quadruple as in Brad's case) boot system, it is actually SEPARATE partitions on the hard drive. You can partition your hard drive into as many partitions as you want and it is like having that many totally separate hard drives. Only one partition can be set active....and that one will be the first partition the computer looks at when it's booting. Then either Windows XP, NT, 2000 has the ability to see if there are other partitions with operating systems on them and will give you the choice. Partition Magic will do the same thing.....partition it into several separate partitions and put itself onto the active one and give you the choice. Michael was right, however. You CAN do this without Partition Magic. Just start with a totally blank hard drive with no partitions on it. Make a partition using a msdos startup disk (preferably made with Win95B, Win98, or WinME) and run fdisk. Just don't use the whole amount for the partition. fdisk asks you "do you wish to use all the available space for this partition?" and you can tell it know. If it's a 40GB drive...just tell it to use 20gb of it. Make that partition active and then install Windows 98 on it. Once that is done, install windows XP. During the Windows XP install it will ask you which partition you want to install XP on....just tell it to use the "unpartitioned space" and format that partition NTFS of FAT32 if you want to be able to boot to a startup floppy in an emergency and be able to get to what's on the drive. Voila! That's it. When you boot the computer, the "Windows XP startup menu" will pop up. It will say "Please choose an operating system. 1. Windows XP Home Edition (or professional...whichever you're gonna use) and 2. Windows 98" Not too hard, eh? Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick W To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:33 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer question I am not a computer technician, but I was under the impression that whereas Win98 is an operating system "program" that is installed over DOS, Win XP is an actual operating system that is NOT installed over DOS, but rather includes a simulated DOS component to accomodate some holdover earlier version programs. This is the reason some earlier version Windows programs won't work on XP. Could someone please clarify this? Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 02 08:20:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30953 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 15:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 15:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 15:20:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2003 15:20:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:20:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F7BFEE8.B61EF607@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1561 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Could someone please clarify this? Windows 1.x, 2.x, 3.x, 95, 98, and ME are all DOS-based operating environments. Basically, it starts up DOS first, and then the Windows graphical interface places itself on top of DOS -- either manually, as with Windows 1.0 through 3.11, or automatically, as with 95/98/ME. Meanwhile, in the 1980s, Microsoft and IBM worked together to develop a successor to DOS which could take advantage of more memory and the ability to run multiple programs simultaneously. This resulted in "OS/2", first released in 1987 as version 1.0. But it never caught on that much, so Microsoft split off and renamed their version of OS/2 as "Windows NT" (New Technology). Since then, Windows 2000 and XP have both been based upon the Windows NT design. Without getting too technical, the DOS-based Windows versions are basically 16-bit operating systems with 32-bit features added, while the NT-based Windows versions are full 32-bit to begin with. If you want to use a DOS or older Windows program in NT, 2000, or XP, it has to "emulate" the 16-bit code. This becomes a problem because older programs like to communicate with your computer's hardware directly. However, the NT-based Windows versions don't like this, because as part of its "crash-proof" design, it always wants to serve as a "moderator" between your programs and your computer's hardware. Older programs were never designed to accomodate this, so they will often fail or require lots of tweaking and work-arounds in order to function properly. From bjackson@indyradio.com Thu Oct 02 09:11:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94788 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 16:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 16:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 16:11:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2003 16:10:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:10:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1630 KCJJ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1904 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.218.40.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Yes, they are still stereo CHR music...It sounds like they are > > using Jones satelite for overnights, though. > > KCJJ has done that since they first went on the air. I could have swore that they used to be live...either that or a very tight automation system! But lately I've heard it running 2 or 3 elements at once, and putting the "1630 KCJJ" shout over the jock. >Speaking of > which, aah... the memories! They were literally the only station on > 1630 kHz in the country (or nearly in the *world*, for that matter), > and you could hear them from coast to coast. It was amazing what a > 1000-watt stick out in the cornfields of Iowa could do! > In fact, they still run one of my favorite sweepers on occasion..."Loud and clear from coast to coast, the mighty 1630 KCJJ" > But alas, the Expanded Band has already gotten too crowded for that > anymore; for a while, KCJJ was able to trip my radios into Stereo > mode, even if some other station on 1630 kHz was in the foreground, > but now even that much of an indication is rare. There's now even a > few local TISes thrown into the mix, but at least they are fairly > easy to "null out" with a loop antenna like my Terk AM Advantage. I must be lucky...Like I said, here in Indianapolis I get a good signal with stereo most of the time. In fact, KCJJ usually comes in better than local 1430 WXNT at night! Last week, I was in Alabama for a job interview in Dothan, and even that close to the 1630 out of Georgia, KCJJ came in pretty decent on my SRF-42. I also noticed that, while WSM is mono (got to drive by that Blaw-Knox tower!), Nashville still has 2 AM Stereo signals...A gospel at 760, and what sounded almost like a Standards mixed with old time radio at 1160. - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis - WGLD/WGRL/WFMS From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Thu Oct 02 09:23:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20712 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 16:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 16:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 16:23:33 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-012scfairp0396.dialsprint.net ([63.189.177.142] helo=yourfulkl1oh2q) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1A56Em-0005Eo-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:23:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c38901$8a957890$8eb1bd3f@yourfulkl1oh2q> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer question Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:23:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Richard Wheeler" Reply-To: "Richard Wheeler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Thanks, Michael and Kevin! Your explanations were very interesting and very helpful. Dick W. > > Could someone please clarify this? > > Windows 1.x, 2.x, 3.x, 95, 98, and ME are all DOS-based operating > environments. Basically, it starts up DOS first, and then the Windows > graphical interface places itself on top of DOS -- either manually, as > with Windows 1.0 through 3.11, or automatically, as with 95/98/ME. > > Meanwhile, in the 1980s, Microsoft and IBM worked together to develop > a successor to DOS which could take advantage of more memory and the > ability to run multiple programs simultaneously. This resulted in > "OS/2", first released in 1987 as version 1.0. But it never caught on > that much, so Microsoft split off and renamed their version of OS/2 as > "Windows NT" (New Technology). Since then, Windows 2000 and XP have > both been based upon the Windows NT design. > > Without getting too technical, the DOS-based Windows versions are > basically 16-bit operating systems with 32-bit features added, while > the NT-based Windows versions are full 32-bit to begin with. If you > want to use a DOS or older Windows program in NT, 2000, or XP, it has > to "emulate" the 16-bit code. > > This becomes a problem because older programs like to communicate with > your computer's hardware directly. However, the NT-based Windows > versions don't like this, because as part of its "crash-proof" design, > it always wants to serve as a "moderator" between your programs and > your computer's hardware. Older programs were never designed to > accomodate this, so they will often fail or require lots of tweaking > and work-arounds in order to function properly. From bjackson@indyradio.com Thu Oct 02 09:26:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11805 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 16:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 16:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 16:26:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2003 16:26:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:26:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT- Computer question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 924 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.218.40.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Meanwhile, in the 1980s, Microsoft and IBM worked together to develop > a successor to DOS which could take advantage of more memory and the > ability to run multiple programs simultaneously. This resulted in > "OS/2", first released in 1987 as version 1.0. But it never caught on > that much, so Microsoft split off and renamed their version of OS/2 as > "Windows NT" (New Technology). Since then, Windows 2000 and XP have > both been based upon the Windows NT design. And, even though they (at least used to) share some code, OS/2 (starting with Warp 3) has always handled old DOS and 16 bit Windows programs better. And crashes never bring it down. Windows NT/2k/xp have gotten better about crashes, but there are still some things that can bring on the Blue Screen. Just read through the WinMx newsgroup some time :-) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 02 10:37:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92471 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 17:36:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 17:36:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 17:36:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20031002173657.33144.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 10:36:57 PDT Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Orban 9100 stereo? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Scott Todd, and others: What card # is it that you need to add to the mono Orban 9100 to make it into a stereo unit? Is it card #1 or 11? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From radioka0rfb@yahoo.com Thu Oct 02 11:24:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: radioka0rfb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52442 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 18:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 18:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 18:24:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2003 18:24:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:24:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: More "HD" discussions from rec.audio.pro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1835 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radioka0rfb" X-Originating-IP: 65.68.0.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61327065 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioka0rfb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bradleyj923" wrote: > "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message > news:bkuubp$jb3$1@panix2.panix.com > > Calling this perceptually-coded stuff "High Definition" has to be > some kind > of flight of fantasy or fancy marketing. > > -- > > Is that what they're calling "HD Radio?" Sheesh! Sounds like the old > marketing philosoply that when a new product is sluggish, rename it > and get someone to write an article about it like it was new. > > -- > > Mike, > The other replies were spot-on, I think. The deeper you dig into this > technology, the worse it gets. Remember that they've had a dozen > years or > more (since the Americans decided that they wanted to keep their > current > spectrum allocation at all costs and abandon the Eureka system the > rest of > the world is using) to perfect this. There is a 8-second buffer that > has > to be filled in your car radio before the digital signal starts to > play. > In the interim, it plays the analog signal. Of course, if the digital > signal is lost, the receiver defaults back to analog as well... which > should make one wonder: if the digital signal is so superior, why is > the > analog signal still useable when the digital signal is not? > > Yours, > Dan Popp > Colors Audio > USA I am waiting with perverse amusement when digital TV will be hitting the American maketplace en masse. CATV reception won't be so bad, but at least with analouge NTSC and a marginal signal, you get a snowy picture, but you at least get a picture. Digital will be freeze framing and showing blocks long before then. Curious what the public at large will then think of digital broadcasting in general. Question for the group. What does music-on-hold sound like on YOUR digital cellphone? Mine's awful! From alinton@iol.ie Thu Oct 02 11:31:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23598 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 18:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 18:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davros) (194.125.44.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 18:31:16 -0000 Received: from Spooler by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO00016B; 2 Oct 03 19:31:16 +0100 Received: from spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 2 Oct 03 19:31:08 +0100 Received: from FR1.totalbroadcast.net (192.168.0.1) by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG00016A; 2 Oct 03 19:31:04 +0100 X-MSReally-From: alinton@iol.ie Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031002193005.0236ce28@fr1> X-Sender: alinton@fr1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 19:31:02 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Orban 9100 stereo? In-Reply-To: <20031002173657.33144.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031002173657.33144.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's a whole kit, new inner front panel, extra input card, matrix card, extra output card. At 18:36 02/10/2003, you wrote: >Scott Todd, and others: >What card # is it that you need to add to the mono Orban 9100 to make it >into a >stereo unit? Is it card #1 or 11? > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------- Andy Linton Waterford, Ireland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Thu Oct 02 11:51:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56168 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 18:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 18:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 18:51:41 -0000 Message-ID: <002e01c38916$d5a2adc0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031002173657.33144.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Orban 9100 stereo? Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:53:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude To convert a B-1 to a B-2 you'll actually need three cards- #5 (which is a duplicate of card 4), and cards 9 & 10. And that yellowish panel behind the drop-down door on the front will either need a second set of holes punched into it for the extra controls for card 5, or else get a new one of those panels already punched for it. The Orban conversion kit is $1900- not bad considering all you're getting. There is no card 11, and card 1 is the audio input filtering for the various low-pass and high-pass (if any) filters Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:36 PM Subject: {AMSF} Orban 9100 stereo? > Scott Todd, and others: > What card # is it that you need to add to the mono Orban 9100 to make it into a > stereo unit? Is it card #1 or 11? > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Oct 02 13:11:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92073 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 20:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 20:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 20:11:11 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.47]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:12:55 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c38921$38b7c6c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <000a01c38901$8a957890$8eb1bd3f@yourfulkl1oh2q> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer question Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:10:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Thanks all for the info! I feel a lot better now, knowing I can have a versitile computer, and one that doesn't give me fits, like my present one that has been junk since day one- I don't want to mention any names, but it's initials are HP... ;-) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From bjackson@indyradio.com Thu Oct 02 14:10:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72401 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 21:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 21:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 21:10:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2003 21:10:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:10:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c38921$38b7c6c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 614 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.109 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Thanks all for the info! I feel a lot better now, knowing I can have a > versitile computer, and one that doesn't give me fits, like my present one > that has been junk since day one- I don't want to mention any names, but > it's initials are HP... ;-) > Chris I don't want to mention any names, but one of my pc's that also goes by the initials HP just died as well. It was sitting there burning a CD, shut itself off, then back on, then sparks came out of the power supply and the room got that smell of dead electronics... -Brad From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 02 14:50:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43935 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 21:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 21:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 21:50:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2003 21:50:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:50:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: More "HD" discussions from rec.audio.pro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 873 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radioka0rfb" wrote: > I am waiting with perverse amusement when digital TV will be hitting > the American maketplace en masse. CATV reception won't be so bad, but > at least with analouge NTSC and a marginal signal, you get a snowy > picture, but you at least get a picture. Digital will be freeze > framing and showing blocks long before then. Curious what the public > at large will then think of digital broadcasting in general. Question > for the group. What does music-on-hold sound like on YOUR digital > cellphone? Mine's awful! Most markets today have AT LEAST one digital broadcast TV, and yes, I'm discounting cable service, here. In my region, it's the PBS station KEET that is the only digital broadcaster, and only a (few?) hundred or so digital sets are in use here. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bratina501@msn.com Thu Oct 02 15:29:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42110 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 22:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 22:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 22:29:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2003 22:29:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:29:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: expanded band fun Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031001222859.47399.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 560 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > > > Speaking of KCJJ.. I haven't heard them for a while. > > They used to sound > > great, playing Hot AC in C-Quam stereo (I believe > > they were simulcasting and > > FM sister). Night-time platform motion was never an > > issue. Does anyone > > know if they are they still playing music in stereo? Last time I went to the midwest I listened to KCJJ and yes they are still playing music in stereo however their slogan is now "Today's Best Hits 1630 AM KCJJ" From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 02 15:42:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85442 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 22:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 22:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 22:42:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2003 22:42:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:42:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: More "HD" discussions from rec.audio.pro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1081 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Question for the group. What does music-on-hold sound like on YOUR > digital cellphone? Mine's awful! I have yet to hear a digital cell-phone that doesn't horribly chop up "non-vocal" background noise, such as road noise in a car, or even the sound of a human breath. But there is a large variance in quality, depending on the phone's design and service provider. The worst digital cell phones are nearly unintelligible, sounding more like a synthesized robot than a human voice -- even over a perfect connection. The best *can* approach the quality of an analog telephone, but only with a perfect signal strength and a complete absence of background noise in the caller's audio. And it is the nature of the beast that when signal strength is poor, the digital artifacts become worse and worse, until a certain point where the connection just cuts out entirely. I've listened to recordings of DRM digital shortwave radio in poor signal conections, and it acts *exactly* the same -- as would IBOC, if it didn't have a "hybrid" analog signal to fall back upon. From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Oct 02 15:52:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38802 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 22:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 22:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 22:52:55 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031002225254.HZYN14069.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:52:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:52:56 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer question Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001b01c388ec$3cd9ec40$5401010a@AM> Message-Id: <2A19D202-F52B-11D7-BDFD-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can't have two OSs on the same partition? For shame ... Richard Wagoner On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 06:51 AM, Michael J. Richard wrote: > Just start with a totally blank hard drive with no partitions on it.=A0= =20 > Make a partition using a msdos startup disk (preferably made with=20 > Win95B, Win98, or WinME) and run fdisk.=A0 Just don't use the whole=20 > amount for the partition.=A0 fdisk asks you "do you wish to use all the=20 > available space for this partition?" and you can tell it know.=A0=A0 If=20 > it's a 40GB drive...just tell it to use 20gb of it.=A0 Make that=20 > partition active and then install Windows 98 on it.=A0 Once that is=20 > done, install windows XP.=A0 During the Windows XP install it will ask=20 > you which partition you want to install XP on....just tell it to use=20 > the "unpartitioned space" and format that partition NTFS of FAT32 if=20 > you want to be able to boot to a startup floppy in an emergency and be=20 > able to get to what's on the drive.=A0=A0 > Voila!=A0 That's it.=A0 When you boot the computer, the "Windows XP=20 > startup menu" will pop up.=A0 It will say "Please choose an operating=20 > system.=A0 1.=A0 Windows XP Home Edition (or professional...whichever=20 > you're gonna use)=A0 and 2.=A0 Windows 98"=A0 > > Not too hard, eh? > > Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Oct 02 15:55:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38575 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 22:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 22:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao01.cox.net) (68.6.19.244) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 22:55:17 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031002225515.IZYJ4816.fed1mtao01.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:55:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:55:18 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More "HD" discussions from rec.audio.pro Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7E829AA7-F52B-11D7-BDFD-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds normal on mine. On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 11:24 AM, radioka0rfb wrote: > Question > for the group. What does music-on-hold sound like on YOUR digital > cellphone? Mine's awful! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Oct 02 15:57:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56885 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 22:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 22:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 22:56:57 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn38.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.42]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:56:56 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT- Computer question Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:55:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <2A19D202-F52B-11D7-BDFD-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He he :) Nopers. Sure can't. If I'm not mistaken, and maybe I think POSSIBLY if you get the Partition Magic program, it can take your current partition and shrink it so that you have room for another partition or whatever......and yet still not wipe out everything. Brad might know the answer to that one since he runs it. I haven't used it since 1997. I'm sure they've had plenty of newer versions since then. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Richard Wagoner [mailto:rwagoner@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:53 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer question Can't have two OSs on the same partition? For shame ... Richard Wagoner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 02 16:03:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22259 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 23:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 23:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 23:03:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2003 23:03:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:03:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT- Computer question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c38921$38b7c6c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1186 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Thanks all for the info! I feel a lot better now, knowing I can > have a versitile computer, and one that doesn't give me fits, like > my present one that has been junk since day one- I don't want to > mention any names, but it's initials are HP... ;-) In my 15+ years of home computer use, it's been my experience that "name-brand" PCs are mechanically reliable, but will have constant minor problems that only trial and error can solve -- such as a serial port connection with a Palm cradle that mysteriously stopped working on THREE different Dell PCs at my workplace. Meanwhile, budget-brand PCs (Packard Bell, Leading Edge, etc.) will operate reliably for years, until one day you turn it on and find out that the power supply burned out, or the monitor stopped working, or the hard drive crashed, etc.... One of my favorite brands was Heath/Zenith... they always made very sturdy, well-engineered computers -- likely because the U.S. military was one of their major customers. I still have a 15-pound Zenith "SuperSport" laptop that works perfectly, and even holds a charge on its original brick-like battery, although I have little practical use for it today. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Oct 02 16:38:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47432 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 23:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2003 23:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 23:38:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20031002233813.79370.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.37] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:38:13 PDT Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT- Computer question To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Partition Magic will make another drive letter and treat it as an unique drive even though its the same physical drive ie you started with ie c: and your CD is d: it usually moves d->e and just install the other OS on that d: drive and keeps your data as long as theres sufficient space Michael "Michael J. Richard" wrote: He he :) Nopers. Sure can't. If I'm not mistaken, and maybe I think POSSIBLY if you get the Partition Magic program, it can take your current partition and shrink it so that you have room for another partition or whatever......and yet still not wipe out everything. Brad might know the answer to that one since he runs it. I haven't used it since 1997. I'm sure they've had plenty of newer versions since then. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Richard Wagoner [mailto:rwagoner@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:53 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Computer question Can't have two OSs on the same partition? For shame ... Richard Wagoner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bjackson@indyradio.com Thu Oct 02 17:21:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69404 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 00:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 00:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 00:21:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2003 00:21:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:21:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT- Computer question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 684 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > He he :) Nopers. Sure can't. If I'm not mistaken, and maybe I think > POSSIBLY if you get the Partition Magic program, it can take your current > partition and shrink it so that you have room for another partition or > whatever......and yet still not wipe out everything. Brad might know the > answer to that one since he runs it. I haven't used it since 1997. I'm > sure they've had plenty of newer versions since then. > > Michael n WYO You are correct...Partition Magic *will* shrink or expand partitions on a drive keeping everything safe. I'm running version 3 from 1998. - Brad From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 02 18:48:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24248 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 01:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 01:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 01:48:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2003 01:48:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:48:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT- Computer question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3299 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Thanks all for the info! I feel a lot better now, knowing I can > > have a versitile computer, and one that doesn't give me fits, like > > my present one that has been junk since day one- I don't want to > > mention any names, but it's initials are HP... ;-) > > In my 15+ years of home computer use, it's been my experience that > "name-brand" PCs are mechanically reliable, but will have constant > minor problems that only trial and error can solve -- such as a > serial port connection with a Palm cradle that mysteriously stopped > working on THREE different Dell PCs at my workplace. This particular problem is especially prevelant in laptops. The reason why is obvious if you think about it: to save energy. It affects ANYTHING that connects to a serial or parallel port (and yes, it includes USB, which is serial), and there is often no way to get into the settings to defeat it- It's usually at the hardware level, and no BIOS settings are available, it seems. Frustrating as hell! > Meanwhile, budget-brand PCs (Packard Bell, Leading Edge, etc.) will > operate reliably for years, until one day you turn it on and find out > that the power supply burned out, or the monitor stopped working, or > the hard drive crashed, etc.... A good computer system should be designed so that if any part fails, it doesn't take down the rest of the system, so just that part can be replaced. This COULD be done, depending on the BIOS and on the OS (it can be implemented in Windows, but it usually isn't). Some might say it's the reliance on Intel CPU architecture, but if that was true, all x86-based OSes would be affected, including Linux and Solaris. Instead, it's really the way Windows is written that is to blame- And not for having any reliance on DOS in pre-ME versions of Windows. Laptops are notoriously difficult to replace certain parts, due to the lack of standardization in laptop designs- except harddrives. As long as your HD bay is deep enough, you can easily replace/upgrade the harddrive itself. Only the control cards may be different, but not the drives themselves of their ATA connectors. Laptop HDs are almost universally IDE, and have followed the same design for almost a decade, at least. Every other replacable card in a laptop is designed specificly for that laptop's design. This makes upgrading difficult, if the company you got your laptop stops supporting that model. (In Dell's case, 2 years is typical.) > One of my favorite brands was Heath/Zenith... they always made very > sturdy, well-engineered computers -- likely because the U.S. military > was one of their major customers. I still have a 15-pound Zenith > "SuperSport" laptop that works perfectly, and even holds a charge on > its original brick-like battery, although I have little practical use > for it today. I suspect you mean Zenith Data Systems- Yes, these were the US Government's laptop of choice, and they were indeed sturdy workhorses. I had one of them. I would almost -kill- for one of those early orange CGA plasma- display laptops- Almost got one for $75. I would still love to get one, even though nowhere near as powerful as today's computers. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Oct 02 20:37:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75761 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 03:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 03:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.18) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 03:37:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:37:53 -0700 Received: from 172.140.83.106 by bay7-dav46.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 03:37:52 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Reloj Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:30:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2003 03:37:53.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9F97E20:01C3895F] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.140.83.106] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Donn Tillman wrote: >Juan or Dick in Tampa, I am also now getting a Cuban station under a local 910 am here, it's not radio reloj. During critical hours, that cuban on 910 wipes out our local WSPA-AM. Kevin in Upstate SC From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 02 21:49:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24369 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 04:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 04:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 04:49:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2003 04:49:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 04:49:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT- Computer question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1646 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I would almost -kill- for one of those early orange CGA plasma- > display laptops- Almost got one for $75. I would still love to get > one, even though nowhere near as powerful as today's computers. I had one... an Ericsson (yes, the same company that makes cell phones). It was no "laptop", but once you got it all folded up, it was reasonably portable -- at least moreso than the original Compaq "luggable", which weighed at least 30 pounds. The orange gas plasma display wasn't particularly easy on the eyes, but at least it was large and crisp. Having no hard drive limited the usefulness of its already limited 8088 processor, but it did have an extra 512 KB of memory which could be configured as a RAM disk. The Ericsson's neatest feature, though, was its built-in printer! It was a thermal design, but if you didn't want to use fax paper, you could add a ribbon to it and print on plain paper, with quality about as good as a 9-pin dot-matrix printer. A more interesting machine, I think, was the Commodore SX-64 -- the first portable computer with a built-in color monitor. It was a whopping 5-inch CRT, with a dot pitch coarse enough that standard 40x25 text was just barely readable if you squinted... but, by God, it was **COLOR**!! I'm lucky to have a SX-64, and it's a real gem. Speaking of firsts, I believe the first home computer peripheral to generate Stereo sound was Radio Shack's "Orchestra-90", introduced in 1980 as a stereo music synthesizer for their infamous TRaSh-80 and Color Computer series. Here's the original manual for it: http://pilot.ucdavis.edu/davidk/documentation/26-1922.htm From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Oct 02 22:25:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28435 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 05:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 05:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao04.cox.net) (68.6.19.241) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 05:25:38 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031003052537.EBMV1644.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:25:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:25:43 -0700 Subject: Maybe OT: Power Supply Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0907544B-F562-11D7-BDFD-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I am not sure if this is off topic or not, since I do not know the original intent for this item ... I have in my garage a (as far as I can tell) old but never used (looks brand new) Lorain power supply, model 12A2. The outside tag says 24 volt, 12 amps DC but the inside taps include a few different AC voltages as well. It has a couple brackets to allow it to mount on a wall. My dad gave it to me years ago, but I don't recall where he got it or what he intended to do with it (he used to experiment/research a lot in his younger days and always wanted a home lab). Is this something that is worth having (to power anything broadcast-wise, etc.) or should I just sell it? Richard Wagoner From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Oct 02 23:26:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83152 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 06:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 06:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 06:26:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2003 06:26:17 -0000 Date: 3 Oct 2003 06:26:17 -0000 Message-ID: <1065162377.36197.59068.w8@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /AM Stereo Letter.pdf Uploaded by : dac177 Description : AM Stereo letter corrected + revised You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20Stereo%20Letter.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, dac177 From dac177@yahoo.com Thu Oct 02 23:33:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dac177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7064 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 06:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 06:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40802.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.179) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 06:33:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20031003063318.17885.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.197.102.67] by web40802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:33:18 PDT Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1065162377.36197.59068.w8@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Caroccio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159003839 X-Yahoo-Profile: dac177 --- amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know > that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the > amstereoforum > group. > > File : /AM Stereo Letter.pdf > Uploaded by : dac177 > Description : AM Stereo letter corrected + revised > > > You can access this file at the URL > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20Stereo%20Letter.pdf > Regards, > > dac177 > > Hey guys, I'd really like for you to look at this file, and give me any feedback regarding it, including any corrections (factual or otherwise). I have really worked on this one, and would like to hear from some of you before sending it to the various networks. Thanks :-) David __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Fri Oct 03 04:42:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97355 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 11:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 11:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 11:42:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2003 11:42:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:42:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: How the C-QUAM AM Stereo format works link ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 204 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.11.25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I notice the link for this on my site is dead again. Last time I found it had moved, anyone know where it's gone ?! Dead url http://www.inetarena.com/~alfredot/exciter-theory.html www.amstereoradio.tk From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 03 04:52:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46918 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 11:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 11:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 11:52:19 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:54:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c389a4$cbe85a30$08a8a8c0@Chris1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} How the C-QUAM AM Stereo format works link ? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:52:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Alfredo posted a note about this- Inetarena went out of business, and his pages are not currently on the web. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:42 AM Subject: {AMSF} How the C-QUAM AM Stereo format works link ? > I notice the link for this on my site is dead again. Last time I > found it had moved, anyone know where it's gone ?! > > Dead url http://www.inetarena.com/~alfredot/exciter-theory.html > From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Oct 03 06:54:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20946 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 13:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 13:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 13:54:14 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:54:14 -0600 Message-ID: <001001c389b5$d43a9200$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- Computer question Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:54:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Being a computer manufacturer / repair technician, this is something I'm faced with on a daily basis. When I'm trying to sell a customer on buying a custom machine from me, they just don't seem to understand. "Well why should I buy one from you?? I can go down to Wal-Mart and get an HP for $699." The best I can do is point out that I see these HP's, Compaqs, Gateways, etc. are all built cheaply. They use the cheapest parts available (including POS no-name brand Winmodems and motherboards) and pop the lowest grade power supplies on these things plus load them down with a buttload of software that you'll probably only use about 10% of. I about had a fit one day. I couldn't believe my eyes. Had a Gateway computer come into the shop. It had a 900Mhz processor, CD burner, CD Rom/DVD Rom combo, floppy, 2 fans.......and a 200W power supply!!! Can you believe that!? Even back in 1997 when I was building Pentium 166's, the cases had 250W power supplies in them. Plus the power supplies that come with these cheapo name-brand units are specially made for them. A generic type supply will not FIT in these cases....they're NOT generic. So if this cheesy 200W power supply dies on ya, you're gonna end up paying $75 plus shipping to Compaq, HP, or Gateway to replace it. If you had a machine that had a generic supply, I could replace it for $35. I just had a customer tell me the other day that they had to replace their power supply in the Compaq at home and it did indeed cost them about $80 plus shipping because you HAD to get it from Compaq. Any other would not FIT in the case. Now then, here's what I would put together. Just a basic AMD Athlon 2.0Ghz. 52X CD ROM, floppy, 40GB Western Digital HD, MSI Motherboard, 256MB Kingston RAM, Windows XP Home Edition, on-board sound, 32MB AGP Video on board,US Robotics 56K modem, ATX Case with 400W power supply and front USB ports, keyboard, mouse. Without monitor, cost would be around $750 or $800. Am I charging too much? I don't think so. I think this is a great price and it's fully upgradable. In two years you could probably pay about $150 and change out the board and processor and boom, you've got state of the art once again. Power supply dies in 4 years? $35 to replace it. Plus I warranty mine for 2 years. So if something goes wrong, ya call me. Not an 800 number and sit on hold for an hour or have a technician tell you "sorry.....you'll just have to put in your System Restore CD". Oh, and they won't tell you that" oh by the way you're gonna lose everything on your hard drive by doing this." Anyways....I think the only downfall I have is not being able to accept payments. Sorry, I need the whole $750 right now. I can't accept credit cards, although I guess the customer could go and get a PayPal account and use their credit card there to PayPal me the money. So. Am I charging to much for what I'm giving the customer? What do you guys think? Are they getting a much better machine from me than getting el cheapo brand from Bestbuy?? Looking for opinons here. Could help me be a better business man. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT- Computer question In my 15+ years of home computer use, it's been my experience that "name-brand" PCs are mechanically reliable, but will have constant minor problems that only trial and error can solve -- such as a serial port connection with a Palm cradle that mysteriously stopped working on THREE different Dell PCs at my workplace. Meanwhile, budget-brand PCs (Packard Bell, Leading Edge, etc.) will operate reliably for years, until one day you turn it on and find out that the power supply burned out, or the monitor stopped working, or the hard drive crashed, etc.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 03 06:57:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84646 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 13:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 13:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 13:57:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20031003135703.30050.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 06:57:03 PDT Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 06:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IBOC comments in RadioWorld To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From RadioWorld: IBOC Proponents Look to Broadcasters to Turn On the Power IBOC proponents say broadcasters should bite the bullet and go on the air with digital radio even before receivers are widely available. "Without broadcasters taking the lead and investing in IBOC installations, I fear that IBOC may become stalled or simply die a slow death," so said Charles Morgan, chairman of the standards-setting organization the National Radio Systems Committee said to attendees of "What You Always Wanted to Know About IBOC But Were Afraid to Ask." All panelists agreed terrestrial radio must go digital to survive." To which I reply: Why would a station spend $2 to go IBOC when there ARE millions of CQuam Stereo AM receivers out there and these existing stations won't bother to leave the stereo turned on even when they have a stereo audio chain - like WSM? Must go digital to survive huh? - what about the interference issues? In my opinion, the only thing that should be digital is the frequency readout and RECEIVER enhancements to the exiting stereo analog transmissions. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Oct 03 08:07:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10200 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 15:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 15:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 15:07:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2003 15:07:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 15:07:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How the C-QUAM AM Stereo format works link ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c389a4$cbe85a30$08a8a8c0@Chris1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 819 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.247.215 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Alfredo posted a note about this- Inetarena went out of business, and his > pages are not currently on the web. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:42 AM > Subject: {AMSF} How the C-QUAM AM Stereo format works link ? > > > > I notice the link for this on my site is dead again. Last time I > > found it had moved, anyone know where it's gone ?! > > > > Dead url http://www.inetarena.com/~alfredot/exciter-theory.html Posted with his permission, his complete site, as saved in April, 2001: http://www.amstereo.audio- stream.net/amstereo/files/technical/projects/alfredo/index.html (Cut & paste as usual, sorry.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 03 09:52:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25338 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 16:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 16:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 16:52:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2003 16:52:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:52:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC comments in RadioWorld Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031003135703.30050.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 660 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Must go digital to survive huh? - what about the interference > issues? In my opinion, the only thing that should be digital is the > frequency readout and RECEIVER enhancements to the exiting stereo > analog transmissions. Also notice that they've all but given up on trying to make IBOC work at night. For NAB, they're demoing it on a DAYTIME-ONLY station. And iBiquity said the Nighttime IBOC Report would be released "in the very near future".... back in March. It's 7 months later now; does that still qualify as the "very near future"? Another promise come and gone... just like all the IBOC receivers they said would be in stores by now. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 03 09:56:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30413 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 16:56:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 16:56:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 16:56:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2003 16:56:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:56:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: How the C-QUAM AM Stereo format works link ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > (Cut & paste as usual, sorry.) Please, when posting long URLs, use TinyURL to abbreviate them. It only takes a few seconds!! In this case, TinyURL abbreviated the link to: http://tinyurl.com/plvk Go to http://tinyurl.com and it can abbreviate any URL to a similar link. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 03 16:08:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37658 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 23:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 23:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 23:08:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2003 23:08:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 23:08:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Top-40 AM Musicradio lives! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 990 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics ...or, at least in Marks, Mississippi, it does. I happened to come across this unique station, "Q-1520" WQMA, a charming little 250-watt daytimer with a full-fledged Top 40/CHR music format: http://www.q1520radio.com/ WQMA is owned by Jason Konarz... the same guy who is their weekday afternoon DJ. Looking at the photos on their web site, their equipment is definitely classic stuff -- this would be a great little station to upgrade to AM Stereo, but they might have to replace their audio board, which looks crude even by 1960s standards. And, as the web site says, "If you ever are in the area and want to see the building in person, feel free to call or email and make arrangements to stop by. We're friendly!" According to the FCC database, Mr. Konarz has owned WQMA since early 1999, while the previous ownership and format ("Delta Blues Radio") only lasted about 5 months, so obviously he must have found a successful niche for "Q-1520" as a Top 40 music station. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 03 16:16:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41227 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 23:16:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 23:16:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 23:16:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2003 23:16:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 23:16:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Chicago's "Real Oldies 1690" starts Monday 10/6 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 662 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Brand new Expanded Band station 1690 WRLL in the Chicago area will make its official format this coming Monday, with a "Real Oldies" music format, just like fellow Clear Channel-owned station 1530 WSAI. Now, the question is... will WRLL broadcast in AM Stereo, as they are obligated to by the nature of being an Expanded Band station that was allocated with a "Stereo Preference"? I'd say, those of you who are in potential daytime or nighttime listening range of WRLL, keep your ear on 1690 AM to see if they sign on to do some pre-launch testing. If they do fire up the transmitter, hopefully you'll see the "ST" indicator on your radio illuminate! From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Oct 03 16:40:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42260 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 23:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2003 23:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 23:40:28 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031003234024.MLNW8740.fed1mtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:40:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:40:42 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chicago's "Real Oldies 1690" starts Monday 10/6 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <00C03DD4-F5FB-11D7-ACF1-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Think 1690 will reach Los Angeles? I used to be able to get (I think)=20 WLS, until another station signed on the same frequency. My Marantz 2215B is back in action ... I got it back from my friend who=20 I gave it to years ago ... it's a better AM tuner than I remember.=20 Higher fidelity than the specs show, from what I can tell. On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 04:16 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > Brand new Expanded Band station 1690 WRLL in the Chicago area will > make its official format this coming Monday, with a "Real Oldies" > music format, just like fellow Clear Channel-owned station 1530 WSAI. > > Now, the question is... will WRLL broadcast in AM Stereo, as they are > obligated to by the nature of being an Expanded Band station that was > allocated with a "Stereo Preference"? > > I'd say, those of you who are in potential daytime or nighttime > listening range of WRLL, keep your ear on 1690 AM to see if they > sign on to do some pre-launch testing.=A0 If they do fire up the > transmitter, hopefully you'll see the "ST" indicator on your radio > illuminate! > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bjackson@indyradio.com Fri Oct 03 17:37:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89266 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 00:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 00:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 00:37:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2003 00:37:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 00:37:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chicago's "Real Oldies 1690" starts Monday 10/6 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1148 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.144 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Brand new Expanded Band station 1690 WRLL in the Chicago area will > make its official format this coming Monday, with a "Real Oldies" > music format, just like fellow Clear Channel-owned station 1530 WSAI. > > Now, the question is... will WRLL broadcast in AM Stereo, as they are > obligated to by the nature of being an Expanded Band station that was > allocated with a "Stereo Preference"? > > I'd say, those of you who are in potential daytime or nighttime > listening range of WRLL, keep your ear on 1690 AM to see if they > sign on to do some pre-launch testing. If they do fire up the > transmitter, hopefully you'll see the "ST" indicator on your radio > illuminate! Kevin, Earlier this week I heard them testing (It was either on my way into or back home from work). Some test tones and music, but no stereo light yet. I'll keep you posted. I do, however, pick up a different station on 1690 on a regular basis that seems to just run CNN audio...I've never heard an ID yet...But they *do* run stereo...Anyone know who this might be? - Brad From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 03 19:06:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34483 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 02:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 02:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 02:06:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2003 02:06:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 02:06:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chicago's "Real Oldies 1690" starts Monday 10/6 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 677 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I do, however, pick up a different station on 1690 on a regular > basis that seems to just run CNN audio...I've never heard an ID > yet...But they *do* run stereo...Anyone know who this might be? That's 1690 WPTX in Lexington Park, Maryland. They've gone through a number of formats so far, including "Bay Talk 1690", "Legends 1690" (a rip-off of Crawford's "Legends 1540" WPTR -- hence the similar call sign!), and now CNN Headline News... but the AM Stereo signal remains, and at least in the past, they were transmitting with full Stereo separation during local programming. There's also 1690 KADZ in the Denver area, running "Radio Disney" in full (((Stereo))). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 03 19:38:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23692 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 02:38:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 02:38:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 02:38:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2003 02:38:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 02:38:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chicago's "Real Oldies 1690" starts Monday 10/6 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 329 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics BTW, I have word that the official launch of 1690 WRLL will be at 5:00 AM on Monday, following a "weekend of stunting". 5 AM is two hours before sunrise, so they might either play by the rules and run the 1000-watt nighttime signal until sunrise, or they might "fudge it" and flip to full 10,000-watt daytime power at 5 AM. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Oct 03 19:39:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44606 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 02:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 02:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 02:39:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20031004023950.37996.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.37] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 19:39:50 PDT Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radio Disneys To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone tell us what Radio Disneys are in AM Stereo please-there is a website of the frequencies but they don't tell if its AMS or not. Michael There's also 1690 KADZ in the Denver area, running "Radio Disney" in full (((Stereo))). Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 03 20:11:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19669 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 03:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 03:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 03:11:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2003 03:11:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 03:11:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 770 WABC in Stereo? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 832 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Hmm... why would New York City's 770 WABC have a Motorola C-Quam AM Stereo exciter and TWO Motorola C-Quam AM Stereo modulation monitors in their equipment rack if, as far as I've ever heard, they've never broadcast in C-Quam AM Stereo? These are the blue-colored units in the equipment racks shown here: http://hawkins.pair.com/wabcnow/wabcn15.jpg WABC also has a total of three Optimod 9100-series audio processors, and three Titus Technologies MLW-1 Automatic Stereo Audio Switchers: http://hawkins.pair.com/wabcnow/wabcn15a.jpg I believe WABC did use _Kahn_ AM Stereo in the 1980s, but I've never heard anything about them ever using C-Quam stereo, despite still having a transmitter plant which appears to be fully equipped for AM Stereo broadcasting, at least as of a few years ago when these photos were taken. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Oct 03 20:51:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6845 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 03:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 03:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 03:51:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2003 03:51:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 03:51:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT- Computer question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1097 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.56 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > In my 15+ years of home computer use, it's been my experience that > "name-brand" PCs are mechanically reliable, but will have constant > minor problems that only trial and error can solve -- such as a > serial port connection with a Palm cradle that mysteriously stopped > working on THREE different Dell PCs at my workplace. > There were defective palm cradles that would dammage the serial port controller on the motherboard. Palm never admitted to this problem but it was widely known in palm user groups. I was a victim of this on my P233 SuperMicr0 motherboard. I personally like white boxes (no name) with GigaByte or ASUS motherboards. They are more customizeable and have a longer lifesapn when it comes to upgrading. Those proprietary boxes are difficult to upgrade as many 3rd party cards will have hardware conflicts and you have to go back to the manufacturer for upgrading and the only thing that is available is what was offered when the box was marketed. The worst for this was Compaq. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 03 20:54:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71741 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 03:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 03:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 03:54:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2003 03:54:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 03:54:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 570 WMCA Kahn AM Stereo/POWER-side? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 677 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Another eagle-eyed discovery from Jim Hawkins' photo collection... New Yory City's 570 WMCA appears to have a (currently unused) Kahn AM Stereo / POWER-side exciter, a Kahn AM Stereo Modulation Monitor, as well as CRL stereo audio processing (all black-faced units in the middle rack): http://hawkins.pair.com/wmca/wmca04.jpg And for those with RealAudio, here is a recording of WMCA signing off for maintenance, at which point "Radio Reloj" from Cuba becomes clearly audible: http://hawkins.pair.com/wmca/underwmca.ra The R.Reloj station on 570 kHz is said to be CMHI in Santa Clara, Cuba. This was recorded right at WMCA's transmitter site, about 1500 miles away! From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 03 22:09:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83391 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 05:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 05:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 05:09:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2003 05:09:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 05:09:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disneys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031004023950.37996.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 978 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Of the 4 radio disneys I can get where I live -- KDIS 1110 Los Angeles, K??? 1290 San Bernardino / Riverside (poorest signal), K??? 1580 Tempe/Phoenix, and 1680 K??? Fresno, only KDIS 1110 Los Angeles has any noticeable separation. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Can anyone tell us what Radio Disneys are in AM Stereo please-there is a website of the frequencies but they don't tell if its AMS or not. > > Michael > > > There's also 1690 KADZ in the Denver area, running "Radio Disney" in > full (((Stereo))). > > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > Michael&Ross > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bjackson@indyradio.com Fri Oct 03 22:47:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46583 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 05:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 05:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 05:47:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2003 05:47:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 05:47:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disneys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031004023950.37996.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 522 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Can anyone tell us what Radio Disneys are in AM Stereo please-there is a website of the frequencies but they don't tell if its AMS or not. > > Michael > I don't know if there is a web site or not...But I can pick up Radio Disney in Stereo at 1640 and 1680. I've also gotten it at 1650 in my car, but it's never lit the stereo light. And there is 680 in Louisville, but they are mono :-( - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 03 23:33:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8068 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 06:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 06:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 06:32:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2003 06:32:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:32:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: problem... exchange mic, or get preamp? budget already stretched... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1381 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Ok... I have a RipFlash Plus audio player (yea... I know it's not directly related to AM Stereo, except....I DID do a little bit of AM Stereo station recording with it with a line-in cable and a Sony SRF-42...) and... I got a Sony ECM-MS907 Electret Condenser Stereo Mic to try to record some live instrumental (piano) music with it. My problem is.... the output level of the mic, even though it's somewhat powered, is not nearly high enough - I need another 50db of amplification. I can't hardly hear it on the RipFlash Plus. So.... what should I do? BTW, I paid $100 for the microphone which was stretching my budget quite a bit. But it's not worth $100 to me if it won't give me the output I need to plug into a line-level input. Anyone got any suggestions? I would be open to trying to return it and getting something a bit cheaper with 40-60dB better amplification. I would prefer a stereo mic if at all possible, though. Should I keep the mic and try to find a decent preamp for <$40? Although... I would have already spent more than that than I did for the player, and I'm kinda on a limited budget which is already getting stretched almost past the limits I had set when I started shopping. (btw, I would have liked to try the mic before I paid for it, but the piano store I wanted to test it at was some geographic distance away, like a few miles or so. :() From amstereorules@msn.com Sat Oct 04 01:23:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereorules@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81414 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 08:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 08:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 08:23:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2003 08:23:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 08:23:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New Expanded Band station in Chicago area Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031001195519.12742.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 240 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereorules" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130870594 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereorules It is set for launch on Monday October 6th at 5AM Central Time. There will be stunting this weekend. - Mario >I'm sitting here in the area, but no signal yet. Any idea when this >thing will go "On-Air". My 5 receivers are ready now. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Oct 04 01:37:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28852 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 08:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 08:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 08:37:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2003 08:37:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 08:37:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disneys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2172 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I don't know if there is a web site or not...But I can pick up > Radio Disney in Stereo at 1640 and 1680. I've also gotten it at > 1650 in my car, but it's never lit the stereo light. And there is > 680 in Louisville, but they are mono :-( Here are all 54 of the Radio Disney affiliates on AM, with AM Stereo stations marked accordingly. Note that these are listed by each station's targeted market area, not by actual city of license (which is often different, as many are "rim-shot" signals): 540 - WWCS - Pittsburgh, PA 550 - WDDZ - Providence, RI 590 - WDWD - Atlanta, GA 600 - WBWL - Jacksonville, FL 620 - KMKI - Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX (((STEREO))) 640 - WWJZ - Philadelphia, PA 680 - WDRD - Louisville, KY 690 - KORL - Honolulu, HI 910 - WFDF - Flint, MI 910 - KWDZ - Salt Lake City, UT 980 - WPGA - Macon, GA 990 - WDYZ - Orlando, FL 990 - WMYM - Miami, FL 1050 - KMAP - Bakersfield, CA 1110 - KDIS - Pasadena/Los Angeles, CA (((STEREO))) 1160 - KENS - San Antonio, TX 1180 - KYDZ - Omaha, NE 1190 - KPHN - Kansas City, MO 1230 - WKYG - Parkersburg, WV 1240 - KALY - Albuquerque, NM 1250 - KKDZ - Seattle, WA 1260 - WMKI - Boston, MA 1260 - WWMK - Cleveland, OH 1260 - WSDZ - St. Louis, MO 1290 - WDZY - Richmond, VA 1290 - KKDD - Riverside, CA 1300 - WRDZ - Chicago, IL (((STEREO))) 1310 - KMKY - San Francisco, CA 1320 - WCOG - Greensboro, NC 1340 - WWLF - Syracuse, NY 1380 - WWMI - Tampa, FL 1390 - WAJD - Gainesville, FL 1400 - WNEX - Macon, GA 1410 - WMYR - Fort Myers, FL 1430 - WOWW - Memphis, TN 1440 - KDIZ - Minneapolis, MN 1450 - WBYU - New Orleans, LA 1460 - WDDY - Albany, NY 1470 - KIID - Sacramento, CA 1480 - WGFY - Charlotte, NC 1480 - KQAM - Witchita, KS 1490 - WOLF - Syracuse, NY 1520 - KDYS - Lafayette, LA 1550 - WDZK - Hartford, CT 1560 - WQEW - New York, NY 1580 - KMIK - Phoenix, AZ 1590 - KMIC - Houston, TX 1600 - WMNE - W. Palm Beach, FL 1640 - WKSH - Milwaukee, WI (((STEREO))) 1640 - KDZR - Portland, OR (((STEREO))) 1650 - WHKT - Norfolk, VA 1680 - KAVT - Fresno, CA (((STEREO))) 1680 - WDSS - Grand Rapids, MI (((STEREO))) 1690 - KDDZ - Denver, CO (((STEREO))) From bjackson@indyradio.com Sat Oct 04 01:51:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45907 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 08:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 08:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 08:51:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2003 08:51:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 08:51:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New Expanded Band station in Chicago area Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 478 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 216.132.129.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereorules" wrote: > It is set for launch on Monday October 6th at 5AM Central Time. > There will be stunting this weekend. - Mario > > >I'm sitting here in the area, but no signal yet. Any idea when this > >thing will go "On-Air". My 5 receivers are ready now. And I noticed their web page is up & running...Kind of :-) http://www.realoldies1690.com/main.html - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Oct 04 04:43:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63736 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 11:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 11:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.21) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 11:43:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 04:43:01 -0700 Received: from 172.144.84.171 by bay7-dav49.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:43:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <0907544B-F562-11D7-BDFD-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Maybe OT: Power Supply Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 07:38:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2003 11:43:01.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA3BE960:01C38A6C] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.144.84.171] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Richard Wagoner wrote: > Is this something that is worth having (to power anything broadcast-wise, etc.) or should I just sell it? Military surplus electronics use 24 Volt DC power. I think I would keep it, as my Grandpaw used to say "It ain't eatin' nuthin'". Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 04 08:39:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55719 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 15:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 15:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80513.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 15:39:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20031004153931.35783.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80513.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 08:39:31 PDT Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 08:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} problem... exchange mic, or get preamp? budget already stretched... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > Ok... I have a RipFlash Plus audio player (yea... I > know it's not > directly related to AM Stereo, except....I DID do a > little bit of AM > Stereo station recording with it with a line-in > cable and a Sony > SRF-42...) and... > I got a Sony ECM-MS907 Electret Condenser Stereo Mic > to try to record > some live instrumental (piano) music with it. OK > My problem is.... the output level of the mic, even > though it's > somewhat powered, is not nearly high enough - I need > another 50db of > amplification. I can't hardly hear it on the > RipFlash Plus. Well the powered part is NOT intended to bring it up to line level. It is a MICROPHONE, so therefore you need to plug it into a microphone input, or get a preamp. > So.... what should I do? BTW, I paid $100 for the > microphone which > was stretching my budget quite a bit. But it's not > worth $100 to me > if it won't give me the output I need to plug into a > line-level input. Microphones were / are not intended to be plugged into a line input.... > Anyone got any suggestions? see below > I would be open to trying to return it and getting > something a bit > cheaper with 40-60dB better amplification. I would > prefer a stereo > mic if at all possible, though. Not very likely. > Should I keep the mic and try to find a decent > preamp for <$40? > Although... I would have already spent more than > that than I did for > the player, and I'm kinda on a limited budget which > is already getting > stretched almost past the limits I had set when I > started shopping. A preamp is the way to go ONLY. My soundcard in fact does have microphone inputs. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Oct 04 10:38:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28058 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 17:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 17:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 17:38:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2003 17:38:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:38:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disneys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 247 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > 1680 - KAVT - Fresno, CA (((STEREO))) It could be the weak signal, but I seem to be unable to find the separation on this one at night listening from San Diego, CA... From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Oct 04 10:40:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38842 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 17:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 17:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 17:40:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2003 17:40:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:40:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} problem... exchange mic, or get preamp? budget already stretched... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031004153931.35783.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2465 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key What I'm plugging it into does not have a microphone input, and I'm on a limited budget. Should I take the mic back, get a $10-$15 mic, and get a $70 preamp? Or do you know of any good preamps that are cheaper? and could you/someone recommend a cheaper setup whose price preferably tops out at around $80 to $100 for both the mic & preamp? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- pianoplayer88key > wrote: > > Ok... I have a RipFlash Plus audio player (yea... I > > know it's not > > directly related to AM Stereo, except....I DID do a > > little bit of AM > > Stereo station recording with it with a line-in > > cable and a Sony > > SRF-42...) and... > > I got a Sony ECM-MS907 Electret Condenser Stereo Mic > > to try to record > > some live instrumental (piano) music with it. > > OK > > > > My problem is.... the output level of the mic, even > > though it's > > somewhat powered, is not nearly high enough - I need > > another 50db of > > amplification. I can't hardly hear it on the > > RipFlash Plus. > > Well the powered part is NOT intended to bring it up > to line level. It is a MICROPHONE, so therefore you > need to plug it into a microphone input, or get a > preamp. > > > > So.... what should I do? BTW, I paid $100 for the > > microphone which > > was stretching my budget quite a bit. But it's not > > worth $100 to me > > if it won't give me the output I need to plug into a > > line-level input. > > Microphones were / are not intended to be plugged into > a line input.... > > > > Anyone got any suggestions? > > see below > > > I would be open to trying to return it and getting > > something a bit > > cheaper with 40-60dB better amplification. I would > > prefer a stereo > > mic if at all possible, though. > > > Not very likely. > > > Should I keep the mic and try to find a decent > > preamp for <$40? > > Although... I would have already spent more than > > that than I did for > > the player, and I'm kinda on a limited budget which > > is already getting > > stretched almost past the limits I had set when I > > started shopping. > > A preamp is the way to go ONLY. My soundcard in fact > does have microphone inputs. > > Powell > > > ===== > powell@c... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 04 11:13:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98773 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 18:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 18:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80513.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 18:13:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20031004181331.47574.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web80513.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:13:31 PDT Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} problem... exchange mic, or get preamp? budget already stretched... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > What I'm plugging it into does not have a microphone > input, and I'm on > a limited budget. Should I take the mic back, get a > $10-$15 mic, and > get a $70 preamp? Or do you know of any good > preamps that are > cheaper? and could you/someone recommend a cheaper > setup whose price > preferably tops out at around $80 to $100 for both > the mic & preamp? I don't think I would get a cheap microphone.I'd look for a preamp. HINT ! HINT !! Maybe someone here on this list can find you a cheap ( better if it is free!) preamp ! If you can do soldering, etc, a kit would fix you up right cheaply. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Oct 04 11:20:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82368 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 18:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 18:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 18:20:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:20:37 -0700 Received: from 172.134.40.211 by bay7-dav36.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 18:20:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031004181331.47574.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} problem... exchange mic, or get preamp? budget already stretched... Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:16:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2003 18:20:37.0274 (UTC) FILETIME=[357697A0:01C38AA4] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.134.40.211] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >If you can do soldering, etc, a kit would fix you up right cheaply. A quick Google search turned up a bunch of preamp circuits. Most people on this list have enough stuff in their junk bins to cook up one in pretty short order. Kevin From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Oct 04 15:35:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56383 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 22:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 22:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 22:35:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:35:20 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 22:35:19 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Reloj Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 22:35:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2003 22:35:20.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAD668C0:01C38AC7] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Kevin of Upstate SC wrote: During critical hours, that cuban on 910 wipes out our local WSPA-AM. Kevin in Upstate SC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I can believe that, I know I used to hear the Cuban station at 880 under WCBS when visiting my parents in the summer in Hendersonville,NC, so much for leaving all the interference behind when leaving Florida; although here, it's a nuisance 24 hours a day, not just at night. btw- did you notice it only took my post two days to appear on the list? Posted it the 2nd of October and today it appeared! :) donn, st petersburg,fl _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Oct 04 15:58:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65439 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 22:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 22:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 22:58:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:58:01 -0700 Received: from 65.40.196.54 by bay99-dav4.bay99.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 22:58:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} How the C-QUAM AM Stereo format works link ? Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:58:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2003 22:58:01.0528 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6363380:01C38ACA] From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-Originating-IP: [65.40.196.54] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a backup of his site if anyone needs some or all of it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Sat Oct 04 16:41:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45168 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 23:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 23:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 23:41:11 -0000 Message-ID: <003b01c38ad1$9e8637a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Top-40 AM Musicradio lives! Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:45:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Looks like a 70's vintage board. Definitely past the tube era. Probably an LPB or Gates, though there isn't enough of it in any of the pix to make out. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > this would be a great little > station to upgrade to AM Stereo, but they might have to replace their > audio board, which looks crude even by 1960s standards. From stodd@vippn.com Sat Oct 04 16:57:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74793 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 23:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2003 23:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 23:57:53 -0000 Message-ID: <007501c38ad3$f4e840a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031004181331.47574.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} problem... exchange mic, or get preamp? budget already stretched... Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 19:02:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I know of folks who've made dynamite sounding mikes from one of those Rat Shack electret mic capsules and a tomato paste can. I believe it was on the churchsoundcheck.com website, at least at one time. Starting with an empty can you cut a piece of wood just large enough to fit the opening. Into that wood you cut a hole in the center just big enough to accomodate the mic capsule. I think there are circuit diagrams with the capsules, and IIRC they take 9v, so mount all that stuff inside the can with a tiny toggle switch to kill the power when you're not using it. The wood piece stays in place with one or two tiny screws that punch through the outside of the can. Paint it black and put a big windscreen on it and folks will hardly know what you've got. I understand the current capsule doesn't sound as good as the older ones, so maybe experiment with some from Mouser or Digi-Key. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > I don't think I would get a cheap microphone.I'd look > for a preamp. HINT ! HINT !! Maybe someone here on > this list can find you a cheap ( better if it is > free!) preamp ! If you can do soldering, etc, a kit > would fix you up right cheaply. From stodd@vippn.com Sat Oct 04 17:00:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93017 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2003 00:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2003 00:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2003 00:00:14 -0000 Message-ID: <007d01c38ad4$48f32520$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Disneys Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 19:04:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Seems they have a problem with some of their equipment. It was a discussion from a long ago thread on another list. IIRC it was their satellite receiver. There is some separation but not nearly as much as there could be. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > > 1680 - KAVT - Fresno, CA (((STEREO))) > > It could be the weak signal, but I seem to be unable to find the > separation on this one at night listening from San Diego, CA... From stodd@vippn.com Sat Oct 04 17:02:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82501 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2003 00:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2003 00:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2003 00:02:11 -0000 Message-ID: <008f01c38ad4$8e6b4380$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <00C03DD4-F5FB-11D7-ACF1-0005021D3C76@cox.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chicago's "Real Oldies 1690" starts Monday 10/6 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 19:06:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It would be rare if at all. The Denver (Arvada) station will cover it up most of the time. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" > Think 1690 will reach Los Angeles? I used to be able to get (I think) > WLS, until another station signed on the same frequency. From stodd@vippn.com Sat Oct 04 17:14:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11041 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2003 00:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2003 00:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2003 00:14:04 -0000 Message-ID: <009b01c38ad6$37c074e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 770 WABC in Stereo? Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 19:18:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Dude, you're close enough to NYC you could arrange for a tour and ask the engineer yourself! If the Motorola stuff happens to be gathering dust on the shelf, offer to take it off their hands. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Hmm... why would New York City's 770 WABC have a Motorola C-Quam AM > Stereo exciter and TWO Motorola C-Quam AM Stereo modulation monitors > in their equipment rack if, as far as I've ever heard, they've never > broadcast in C-Quam AM Stereo? These are the blue-colored units in > the equipment racks shown here: From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 04 17:23:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13473 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2003 00:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2003 00:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2003 00:23:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2003 00:23:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:23:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disneys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 622 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.240.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > 1680 - KAVT - Fresno, CA (((STEREO))) > > It could be the weak signal, but I seem to be unable to find the > separation on this one at night listening from San Diego, CA... All I have gotten from up here is pilot-only, no separation, and some overmodulation of the bass. I have heard others claim there is separation. I have never heard it. (And no, I don't have one of those AMS radios that blend to mono on weak signals.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dac177@yahoo.com Sat Oct 04 17:33:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dac177@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95570 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2003 00:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2003 00:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40802.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.179) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2003 00:33:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20031005003338.13943.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.199.238.177] by web40802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:33:38 PDT Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Disneys To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031004023950.37996.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Caroccio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159003839 X-Yahoo-Profile: dac177 --- Michael and Ross wrote: > Can anyone tell us what Radio Disneys are in AM > Stereo please-there is a website of the frequencies > but they don't tell if its AMS or not. > > Michael > > > There's also 1690 KADZ in the Denver area, running > "Radio Disney" in > full (((Stereo))). > yes 1110 KDIS PASADENA CA 1680 KAVT FRESNO CA 1690 KADZ ARVADA CO 1300 WRDZ LA GRANGE IL 1680 WDSS GRAND RAPIDS MI 1640 KDZR LAKE OSWEGO OR 620 KMKI DALLAS TX 1640 WKSH SUSSEX WI Sorry, but thats all I have listed... 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Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Oct 04 17:37:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30593 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2003 00:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2003 00:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2003 00:37:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2003 00:37:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:37:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chicago's "Real Oldies 1690" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008f01c38ad4$8e6b4380$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 240 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics FYI, from another radio message board: "I have on GOOD authority from a source at CC in Chicago that the station [1690 WRLL] will NOT sign on Monday. They are still doing testing on the transmitter, and do not have final FCC approval." From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Oct 04 23:10:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33970 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2003 06:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2003 06:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2003 06:10:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2003 06:10:20 -0000 Date: 5 Oct 2003 06:10:20 -0000 Message-ID: <1065334220.704843.77867.w7@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-intl/cfcowond.mp3 Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : A new audio clip of 630 CFCO as received on the Fanfare FTA-100 high-performance AM Stereo tuner. A full version of this recording is on Fanfare's web site at http://www.fanfare.com You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-intl/cfcowond.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From bjackson@indyradio.com Sat Oct 04 23:38:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43741 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2003 06:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2003 06:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2003 06:38:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2003 06:38:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 06:38:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chicago's "Real Oldies 1690" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.25.100.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > FYI, from another radio message board: > > "I have on GOOD authority from a source at CC in Chicago that the > station [1690 WRLL] will NOT sign on Monday. They are still doing > testing on the transmitter, and do not have final FCC approval." I was wondering about that...I've been tuning in on and off all weekend and all I'm getting is that CNN radio station. - Brad From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Oct 05 00:41:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43279 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2003 07:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2003 07:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41007.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2003 07:40:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20031005074033.78854.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.51.114] by web41007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:40:33 PDT Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: KB Stereo & PEP mono. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I forgot what song I heard, but during the KB request show I heard a song that sounded stereophonic. I'm pretty sure I heard seperation. 99% sure. I was in my car and it sounded like an old EZ-listening song, like a Johnny Mathis. What A.M. stations were stereo but are no longer stereo? What Canadian stations have switched to F.M.? I'll be rewiring our air studio @ WPEP (Production room is just about done) soon and I need a microwave XMTR., RCVR., & A.M. stereo equipment. I may be able to trade our Powerside & Orban 9200. We carry the Met Opera & I'd like to be in stereo by the preview on December 6th. 73, Jay, N1WVQ P.D.-WPEP. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Oct 05 17:14:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26961 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 00:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2003 00:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 00:14:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2003 00:14:23 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82178 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2003 23:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2003 23:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2003 23:44:54 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.33.3ed404de (4340) for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33.3ed404de.2cb206ec@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:44:44 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Disneys To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 06 Oct 2003 00:14:20 -0000 If you hear KAVT 1680 (even in AM Stereo), you can send reception reports to: Patrick Martin P.O. Box 843 Seaside, OR 97138 Patrick is the QSL Manager for KAVT. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Oct 05 23:06:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72497 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 06:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2003 06:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 06:06:55 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9666sNS011163 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:06:54 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9666sg16484 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:06:54 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9666sx16478 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:06:54 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:06:53 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471E6@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: i1197 update Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:06:46 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 > I just managed to secure the Sony ST-JX220A tuner on Ebay - it's going in > the Equipment Rack at the Station as an off-air monitor - I think it will > be great! Will wire it up so it can be heard throughout the studio > building! :) > > Not long now until they are in Stereo - I think by the end of the year > depending on the willingness of the engineer. (anyone fancy a trip to > Oz?!) :) > > We won't have any outboard matrix processing (apart from what comes built > into the Motorola Exciter) to begin with but coverage really isn't much of > an issue as the moment as they are only running 500 watts and getting very > decent coverage at that power (TX right next to a salty river) > > Cheers, > > Matt > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Thursday, 2 October 2003 2:04 PM > To: 'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com' > > G'day, > > An update on i1197 - myself and Matt2 went to the AGM last night and met > with the management team. Did an AM Stereo demo using the Alfredo Lite - > went down very well. They loved it. I explained that I had a Motorola > 1300 on its way over and they were very receptive to giving it a demo. > They said their contract engineer was "old school" and would need > convincing and I said it can't hurt to give it a go. I will show him the > info I have got off the net for the Harris MW-1A to optimise it for AMS - > the main modification is reducing the IPM by installing a pot instead of a > resistor in the base of the TX. > > Anyway, I will let you know how it goes - they have an Omnidirectional > antenna array and the phaser is clearly broadband - have a listen to the > live stream off my Sony tuner - I have increased the sampling rate to 32k > which gives a max 16000 hz response - a lot better than what I was getting > using 22k sampling rate. I am surprised at the increase in high frequency > response - I found out they are using a 15 kHz equalised copper pair from > the Telco - very good quality if you ask me. If they go stereo they will > need to convert it to a 15 kHz stereo phased pair - this seems a lot > cheaper than trying to install an STL/ISDN Codecs etc and the sound > quality seems better (no additional encoding to introduce artefacts!) > They are using a cheap audio processor that sounds quite good - Behringer > DSP9024 Ultradyne 6 band stereo processor. Obviously no official AMS > support but we can see how it goes until they can an AM Stereo Matrix > processor. > > Here's the link for Classic Winamp 2.9x to listen in. > > http://xstream1.com:8610/i1197.ogg.m3u > > Cheers, > > Matt > From dav259@csiro.au Sun Oct 05 23:17:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5101 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 06:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2003 06:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 06:17:28 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h966HN5d026712 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:17:27 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:17:23 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: 3MP to stay mono Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 This was posted on our newsgroup by the engineer of 3AK/3MP and it's sad news. Not only will 3MP remain in mono - but 3AK would be reduced to mono tomorrow as well if only the two lines didn't act as a sort of backup ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It has nothing to do with the capabilities of the transmitter equipment. Both main and standby transmitters for both 3AK and 3MP are AM stereo capable and fitted. It is all to do with how much money it costs to provide program feeds from the studios to the transmitters. It's simple economics, and working with what I've got (you wanna guess the budget I'm working with??). AM Stereo will not add one dollar to the bottom line - now or in the future, so there's no business case for spending time or money on it. 3AK has a stereo line from the studios to the transmitter, as an accident of history. The two channels provide some rudimentary redundancy. Twice in my memory one channel failed due to Telstra problems (both times for over 24 hours). That simple redundancy kept 3AK on air both ocassions. The 3AK stereo line is costing us heaps, and I need to dump it - but I have to engineer a viable redundancy solution first. But rest assured, that is high on the priorities ... it does have a sound business case. Oh, and to pre-empt a likely argument - I'm not going to redeploy the stereo capability to 3MP when I cancel the 3AK stereo line. The goal is to reduce costs - and surely nobody can argue that stereo for 3MP is worth spending an extra $15,000 per year on. That's roughly the cost difference between mono and stereo Telstra lines. From the Richmond studios there are no viable cost-effective alternatives to Telstra landlines (No STL line-of-sight, I don't regard 128kbps ISDN as a viable alternative due to latency and compression artifacts, and neither tx site has ADSL availability). Suggested alternatives most welcome. [ re 3AK's pilot being out for the last four years ... ] Wish I knew - but we don't have a working stereo mod monitor to check it. After your last snipe about this one, I checked the Nautel's integrated exciter - and THE PILOT SWITCH IS IN THE "ON" POSITION - always has been. I have no way of easily verifying the pilot frequency or injection level (unfortunately Nautel provide no metering of this function)- and I've got a very long list of jobs to do - so that one is nowhere near the top. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Sniper Downunder ;( From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 06 01:40:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9924 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 08:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2003 08:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 08:40:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2003 08:40:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 08:40:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 3MP to stay mono Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 255 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Cutting costs by using a mono STL is a questionable choice, especially for major-market stations like these. One way or another, the future of these stations is going to be Stereo -- whether it be AM Stereo, IBOC, DRM, Eureka-147, or something else. From dav259@csiro.au Mon Oct 06 01:56:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23501 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 08:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2003 08:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 08:56:40 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h968ubaR003942 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:56:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:56:37 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3MP to stay mono In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > Cutting costs by using a mono STL is a questionable choice, > especially for major-market stations like these. One way or another, > the future of these stations is going to be Stereo -- whether it be > AM Stereo, IBOC, DRM, Eureka-147, or something else. But when???!!! If any better system arrived tomorrow I'd embrace it. I hate it when I've listened to this powerhouse AM music station for over 17 years in stereo to have to accept that it will be mono indefinitely. Is there a solution? Any suggestions gratefully received. Scott - it looks like you've got the last tape of 3MP in stereo. They turned it off about a week after I sent it. Ian Miserable Melbourne From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Oct 06 03:26:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61540 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 10:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2003 10:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 10:26:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20031006102600.65675.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.37] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 03:26:00 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 03:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3MP to stay mono To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it currently in Mono? I can never get 3MP here in Auckland as 2XX 1377/90.2 skywave overides it from Paraparaumu (just north of Wellington) all times. Michael Ian Davidson wrote: On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > Cutting costs by using a mono STL is a questionable choice, > especially for major-market stations like these. One way or another, > the future of these stations is going to be Stereo -- whether it be > AM Stereo, IBOC, DRM, Eureka-147, or something else. But when???!!! If any better system arrived tomorrow I'd embrace it. I hate it when I've listened to this powerhouse AM music station for over 17 years in stereo to have to accept that it will be mono indefinitely. Is there a solution? Any suggestions gratefully received. Scott - it looks like you've got the last tape of 3MP in stereo. They turned it off about a week after I sent it. Ian Miserable Melbourne Yahoo! 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Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 06 05:45:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9889 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 12:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2003 12:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 12:45:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20031006124532.4461.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 05:45:32 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 05:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Oz loss of AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Ian, sad to hear about your loss of AM stereo down there:( The only bright side about it that he has a legitimate reason of expensive STL costs, unlike those in the USA that have 2 working stereo channels of audio from the studio to the transmitter, and still elect to shut-down the stereo transmitter! Suggest that he continue sending out the stereo pilot, as that will open-up the bandwidth in some receivers. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 06 08:20:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60721 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 15:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2003 15:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 15:20:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2003 15:20:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:20:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Philly IBOC report Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1975 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From a Philadelphia radio message board... the NAB show is over, yet the IBOC hash continues from 860 WWDB and 92.5 WXTU: > I had the wonderful (sigh) experience of driving up and down > the Schuylkill Expressway several times this weekend and > while stuck in traffic several times (sigh), I gave a listen > to the two new digital stations in Philly... > > I first dialed up WWDB-AM 860. Earlier last week, I heard > WWDB in digital from interior South Jersey and WCBS(AM)/New York > was listenable with a bunch of digital junk under 880s audio. > In the city, forget about it -- 840, 850, 870, and 880 are all > covered with digital junk. Has anyone given any thought to how > some of the short-spaced AM stations are going to co-exist in > the digital world? How are WDAS 1480 and WIFI 1460 going to > sound? What about WNJC 1360 and WHAT 1340? > > Next it was on to 92.5 WXTU... digital junk all over 92.3 > and 92.7 -- however, my car radio didn't know what to do > with the digital splatter. Along almost the entire length > of I-76 -- and half way down Rt. 42 into NJ -- my radio's > seek stopped on 92.3 and 92.7, but it would *not* stop on > 92.5. Every time I wanted to listen to WXTU, I had to seek > to 92.3 or 92.7 then manually tune to 92.5. Has anyone else > experienced this? > > -Chris > ccolemannj@yahoo.com ---------------------------------- > I've noticed strong IBOC hash on WWDB's signal here in Collingdale > and can report, after a phone call to the station, that they were > indeed running non-directional for a short period of time. Average > modulation level with the Harris DX-10 is much higher than whatever > rig they were running before. The hash here wipes out WEEU 830 in > Reading and buries WCBS as well. WXTU's hash is not as prominent > but it IS there.... > So it isn't a good sign for those closely spaced stations in this > market... > > Dave Gardiner > WVCH 740-The Christian Station > Chester-Philadelphia PA From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Mon Oct 06 10:30:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32011 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 17:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2003 17:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.173) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 17:30:06 -0000 Received: from user-101.bbd16tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.184.101] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1A6ZBM-0000Wi-LN for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:30:04 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:29:03 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Aussy to go mono References: <1065426372.829.24082.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1065426372.829.24082.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man Sniper, What distance between studio and TX site? Any chance of a couple of point to point microwave hops? Great distances can be covered? I know Andy Linton in Ireland recently engineered a 50 miles microwave link (single hop I believe). If you get to the stage where that Nautel stereo card 'ain't' never going to be used in anger (and I hope this is not the case) then I'd be interested in purchasing it from you. I need one. Regards -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Oct 06 12:45:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43385 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 19:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2003 19:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 19:45:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2003 19:45:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:45:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1065334220.704843.77867.w7@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 502 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > Description : A new audio clip of 630 CFCO as received on the Fanfare FTA-100 high-performance AM Stereo tuner. I'm curious. That file sounds clean and has nice separation, but it doesn't even come remotely close to 10kHz frequency response. Is it a distant signal? A station with muddy sounding audio? Or is it, heaven forbid, inherent in the FTA-100? If it's because it's a distant signal, then I'd be interested in hearing a full-bandwidth local, even if it's mono. Thanks. narkspud From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Oct 06 15:51:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51670 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 22:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2003 22:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 22:51:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2003 22:51:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:51:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2369 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" wrote: > > Description : A new audio clip of 630 CFCO as received on=20 > the Fanfare FTA-100 high-performance AM Stereo tuner. >=20 > I'm curious. That file sounds clean and has nice separation, but=20 > it doesn't even come remotely close to 10kHz frequency=20 > response. Is it a distant signal? A station with muddy sounding=20 > audio? Or is it, heaven forbid, inherent in the FTA-100? >=20 > If it's because it's a distant signal, then I'd be interested in=20 > hearing a full-bandwidth local, even if it's mono. >=20 > Thanks. > narkspud From the several samples that have appeared in this forum they all have appeared a bit weak on the top end although this one sounds a bit weaker than others and some sounded much brighter when a little eq is applied. The signal does sound very clean with very low distortion and lack of any=20 ringing. This is what is to be expected from a reference=20 tuner like this. I imagine the goals for this tuner is to maixmize sound quality while minimizing distortion and having a wide bandpass with steep skirts would work against this. I don't know if the tuner has wide/narrow IF filters and how wide is wide on it. muRata only offers =B16KHz & =B110Khz ceramic filters now but the optimal choice was the older =B17.5KHz filters in the older Chrysler & Delco radios as they offered fair selectivity and fair requency respones. Toko=20 also has some but I'm not up on what they offer now. A flat 10KHz response with a sharp lowpass cut off would=20 would sound brighter but would produce some ringing. I guess there has to be a tradeoff between ringing, a flat response and good selectivity. For me I would put up with some ringing in order to gain some high end. The ringing is more noticeable on certain types of music than on others. If you listen to music that doesn't have a heavy top end like metal, hard rock or pop then the benefits of a brighter top end with good selectivity can outweigh the potential ringing problem. My approach to this is to use a =B17.5KHz IF filter with NRSC=20 de-emphasis and some high end boost at ~9.5KHz of ~+10dB.=20 While this does produce some ringing on heavy top end program material, for what I listen to it is perfectly acceptable. My approach would probably be greared for more of a mass=20 marketed product not a reference tuner. JSG From dav259@csiro.au Mon Oct 06 16:01:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60570 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 23:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2003 23:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 23:01:16 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h96MxRaR013360 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:59:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:59:27 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aussy to go mono In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Philip de Cadenet wrote: > What distance between studio and TX site? 20 miles. > Any chance of a couple of point to point microwave hops? From what I've seen the engineer write he thinks AMS is dead. End of discussion. The good news may be that the owners of 3AK/3MP announced late yesterday that 3AK is up for sale - but they'd like to hold onto 3MP which rates higher. As they're both coming out of the same studio complex the best thing that could happen is for a caring radio owner to buy both stations. Ian From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Oct 06 16:09:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95442 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 23:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2003 23:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 23:09:11 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.156.25a70a87 (3956) for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <156.25a70a87.2cb35009@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:08:57 EDT Subject: Miami IBOC report/CAM-D questions To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings from Miami!!! Long time since I've posted to this group! Actually, have had a rather tough 2002, and am recovering (I hope) slowly from last year's mess....Anyways, some news to report: WQAM/560/Miami, among several others in South Florida, have begun transmitting in IBOC......On a Chrysler car radio, a mild, continuous 'cricket'-like noise is present at all times underneath the audio...When I tuned WQAM in on my Sony SRF-A1, in both "A" and "B" modes, the "modem noise" is strongly present on both channels. Had a question: Do we know for sure that Kahn's CAM-D uses ISB AM Stereo? Also, has there been (or will there be) a list published of the stations that will test CAM-D? Thanks. Tony Simon/Miami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From spt87a@yahoo.com Mon Oct 06 16:10:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spt87a@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86299 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 23:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2003 23:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 23:10:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2003 23:10:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:10:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031005074033.78854.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 514 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "spt87a" X-Originating-IP: 204.110.135.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=160273779 X-Yahoo-Profile: spt87a --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > I forgot what song I heard, but during the KB > request show I heard a song that sounded > stereophonic. I'm pretty sure I heard I noticed this too a few days ago. On the Buffalo Radio Info board a couple weeks ago there was a message about KB being back to 50KW after an extended period (no further detail) of being at 10KW. The return of stereo separation seems to have coincided with that and the signal is noticably stronger now. From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Oct 06 16:28:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20187 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 23:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2003 23:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 23:28:18 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h96NSHNS017305 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:28:17 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h96NSIg30035 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:28:18 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h96NSHx30017 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:28:17 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:28:16 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471E8@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:28:11 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Hi, I thought I'd contact Audiocubes and see if they could offer a discount on a bulk purchase. They have come to the party - I thought these would be great when we get the AMS going on i1197 - we can sell them to the listeners etc for hopefully $70-$80 AUD each I have emailed Sony Australia to see if they would import them as a special order (perhaps getting them even cheaper). Maybe Sony USA would be interested in importing them for the US market? Here's some info from (converted badly to English using babelfish.altavista.com !!): http://www.oyakudachi.net/amradio/receiver/others.htm < SRF-AX15 > * It bought on impulse with the notion that where stereo AM it is good. It becomes the stopping being attached. Properly, separating from the both ears, when it is audible. * The earphone terminal is rare as for stereo itself SP mono (now) * To an inexpensive radio delightful Made In Japan! * Rather than thinking, high sensitivity * IFC-SW7600G compared to in noise forcing (surprise). Riding in the motorcycle when, with 7600 noise picking up now it was the chestnut, but while hearing, it can move this and you hear and take. Similarly noise and Luther's noise etc. of the petroleum fan heater etc. * Price was about 4000 Yen with ?????? From after with ??????? being about 3600 Yen, regretting buying on impulse a little * Defect: Unless tuning with analog, the radio of PLL is put side, you do not know it receives what. Therefore it is outrageous in DXer. * Defect: Tuning is extremely with the small dial, considerably secret, when (ease soaks with the radio of PLL, you open, the ? side ?) * Merit: There is no button. Malfunctions are few with such as dial and it meaning that is just slide switch, pocket of the clothes. * Tolerably lightness. To a standard radio high sensitivity. If this verifying frequency beforehand, it goes to travelling, and the like the treasure it may do the local bureau of this area to the ? ? ?doing. Being broken, being able to know, it is and, in the first place absolutely to be light being to be simple, difficult to be broken so. * One point advice: Being to be wasted, the SONY genuine earphone way you cannot use. The stereo earphone buying at hundred equal stores, using, it increases. JSG, do you have one? - need to find out what sort of ceramic filter they use - they may need a little widening for nicer audio.. :) These seem to be our best bet on getting AMS back into the hands of the public - Chris's radio sounds nice but I doubt it can be sold for less than $41! I actually think AMS via headphone, mono speaker is perfect - lets you plug in a cheap pair of stereo PC speakers if you want nice stereo, while keeping the package small enough to make and ship cheaply (compared to the SRF-A300 which is expensive and would provide ridiculous stere separation with the build in speakers unless you put your head right between them!) Cheers, Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Info @ Audio Cubes" Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:18 AM Subject: FW: Enquiry from Audio Cubes > One carton includes 50 units of the SRF-AX15. Total cost is: > > 50 x Sony SRF-AX15 @$41 US$2,050 > Shipping cost US$120 > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Total: US$2,170.00 > > Thank you. > > Kohn From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 06 16:40:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41915 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 23:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2003 23:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 23:40:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2003 23:40:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:40:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1660 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm curious. That file sounds clean and has nice separation, but > it doesn't even come remotely close to 10kHz frequency > response. Is it a distant signal? A station with muddy sounding > audio? Or is it, heaven forbid, inherent in the FTA-100? It is a daytime recording of 630 CFCO (Chatham, Ontario) as received 81 miles away from the transmitter in the Toledo, Ohio area, using a Radio Shack loop antenna. A spectrum analysis of the audio reveals a gradual drop-off of response above 5 kHz, up to a maximum of about 8 to 8.5 kHz. No, it isn't quite as crisp as AM can be, but you have to consider how *clean* and noise-free the reception is at that distance, with an almost complete absence of background hiss. With a wider bandwidth, it likely wouldn't be possible to achieve such a high signal-to-noise ratio or such wide, low-distortion stereo separation. The Fanfare tuner is based upon the Motorola MC13027/MC13122 AMAX chipset which uses an automatically variable bandwidth depending on signal strength. However, how crisp it sounds with strong signals is still dependent upon the bandwidth of the ceramic IF filter that is used. I've listened to Chrysler AMAX car radios with a similar variable- bandwidth design, and the ones based upon a 7.5 kHz filter come to closest to providing the full treble response that AM can deliver, while the ones based upon a 6.0 kHz filter still sound very good with some tweaking of the graphic equalizer and have noticeably better selectivity. So, at least to my ears, it seems that the Fanfare tuner uses a 6 kHz filter in conjunction with the variable-bandwidth AMAX design. From stodd@vippn.com Mon Oct 06 17:37:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46115 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 00:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 00:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 00:37:41 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c38c6b$dae47360$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471E8@aubwm206> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:42:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Interesting they gave you aussies a quote in USD. Good sleuthing, and this is definitely something worth persuing. 50 units might be a bit much for our small group, but if it's going to happen, count me in. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trim, Matthew L" > I thought I'd contact Audiocubes and see if they could offer a discount on a > bulk purchase. > > > One carton includes 50 units of the SRF-AX15. Total cost is: > > > > 50 x Sony SRF-AX15 @$41 US$2,050 > > Shipping cost US$120 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Total: US$2,170.00 From stodd@vippn.com Mon Oct 06 17:40:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8398 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 00:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 00:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 00:40:41 -0000 Message-ID: <003301c38c6c$46f62940$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <156.25a70a87.2cb35009@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Miami IBOC report/CAM-D questions Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:45:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The IBOC stations are all in the Beasley group. As for your question about CAM-D, yes, it's Kahn AMS. It has been reavealed as such in Radio World. They did list what the test stations would be, but I don't have that issue handy. Good to see you posting again. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > WQAM/560/Miami, among several others in South Florida, have begun > transmitting in IBOC > > Had a question: Do we know for sure that Kahn's CAM-D uses ISB AM Stereo? > Also, has there been (or will there be) a list published of the stations that > will test CAM-D? From stodd@vippn.com Mon Oct 06 17:44:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30970 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 00:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 00:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 00:44:00 -0000 Message-ID: <004101c38c6c$bd4e7ca0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3MP to stay mono Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:48:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Bloody awful news. Considering how well it sounded to some of my friends who heard it, there seems such little reason for it to go. I think this thing with ordering those Audio Cubes for that other station could just be the ticket to turn things around. Hopefully it'll make enough of a splash to do it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" To: Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 3:56 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3MP to stay mono > On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Kevin T. wrote: > > > Cutting costs by using a mono STL is a questionable choice, > > especially for major-market stations like these. One way or another, > > the future of these stations is going to be Stereo -- whether it be > > AM Stereo, IBOC, DRM, Eureka-147, or something else. > > But when???!!! > > If any better system arrived tomorrow I'd embrace it. > > I hate it when I've listened to this powerhouse AM music station for over > 17 years in stereo to have to accept that it will be mono indefinitely. > > Is there a solution? Any suggestions gratefully received. > > Scott - it looks like you've got the last tape of 3MP in stereo. They > turned it off about a week after I sent it. > > > Ian > Miserable Melbourne > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Oct 06 17:44:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23996 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 00:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 00:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 00:44:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2003 00:44:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 00:44:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2787 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g What is this "ringing" that you keep mentioning, and why is it worse=20 with a wide filter? Are you sure "ringing" isn't just an Urban=20 Legend, and the real problem is simply that you prefer a rolled off=20 high end with some types of music? John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "narkspud" > wrote: > > > Description : A new audio clip of 630 CFCO as received on=20 > > the Fanfare FTA-100 high-performance AM Stereo tuner. > >=20 > > I'm curious. That file sounds clean and has nice separation, but=20 > > it doesn't even come remotely close to 10kHz frequency=20 > > response. Is it a distant signal? A station with muddy sounding=20 > > audio? Or is it, heaven forbid, inherent in the FTA-100? > >=20 > > If it's because it's a distant signal, then I'd be interested in=20 > > hearing a full-bandwidth local, even if it's mono. > >=20 > > Thanks. > > narkspud >=20 > From the several samples that have appeared in this forum > they all have appeared a bit weak on the top end although > this one sounds a bit weaker than others and some sounded > much brighter when a little eq is applied. The signal does > sound very clean with very low distortion and lack of any=20 > ringing. This is what is to be expected from a reference=20 > tuner like this. I imagine the goals for this tuner is to > maixmize sound quality while minimizing distortion and having > a wide bandpass with steep skirts would work against this. >=20 > I don't know if the tuner has wide/narrow IF filters and > how wide is wide on it. muRata only offers =B16KHz & =B110Khz > ceramic filters now but the optimal choice was the older > =B17.5KHz filters in the older Chrysler & Delco radios as they > offered fair selectivity and fair requency respones. Toko=20 > also has some but I'm not up on what they offer now. >=20 >=20 > A flat 10KHz response with a sharp lowpass cut off would=20 > would sound brighter but would produce some ringing. I guess > there has to be a tradeoff between ringing, a flat response > and good selectivity. For me I would put up with some ringing > in order to gain some high end. The ringing is more noticeable > on certain types of music than on others. If you listen to > music that doesn't have a heavy top end like metal, hard rock > or pop then the benefits of a brighter top end with good > selectivity can outweigh the potential ringing problem. My > approach to this is to use a =B17.5KHz IF filter with NRSC=20 > de-emphasis and some high end boost at ~9.5KHz of ~+10dB.=20 > While this does produce some ringing on heavy top end program > material, for what I listen to it is perfectly acceptable. > My approach would probably be greared for more of a mass=20 > marketed product not a reference tuner. >=20 > JSG From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Oct 06 17:49:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33110 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 00:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 00:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 00:49:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2003 00:49:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 00:49:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 759 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I'm curious. That file sounds clean and has nice separation, but > > it doesn't even come remotely close to 10kHz frequency > > response. Is it a distant signal? A station with muddy sounding > > audio? Or is it, heaven forbid, inherent in the FTA-100? > > It is a daytime recording of 630 CFCO (Chatham, Ontario) as received > 81 miles away from the transmitter in the Toledo, Ohio area, using a > Radio Shack loop antenna. I suspect the majority of the roll off is due to the Radio Shack loop antenna, loop antennas are notorious for this. It would be interesting to hear what it sounds like under the same reception conditions using a broad band antenna. John From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Oct 06 18:04:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23177 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 01:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 01:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 01:04:45 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9714iNS030924 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:04:44 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9714ig23410 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:04:44 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9714ix23397 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:04:44 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:04:44 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471EB@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read !) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:04:42 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Well I just put my money where my mouth was and I ordered one from their site. It was $45 plus $10 shipping - so it will cost around $80 Australian to my door - that's not bad. We could almost just post a link to the ordering page and interested listeners could order direct from Audiocubes! I just hope it sounds OK! -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@vippn.com] Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2003 10:42 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) Interesting they gave you aussies a quote in USD. Good sleuthing, and this is definitely something worth persuing. 50 units might be a bit much for our small group, but if it's going to happen, count me in. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trim, Matthew L" > I thought I'd contact Audiocubes and see if they could offer a discount on a > bulk purchase. > > > One carton includes 50 units of the SRF-AX15. Total cost is: > > > > 50 x Sony SRF-AX15 @$41 US$2,050 > > Shipping cost US$120 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Total: US$2,170.00 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 06 18:28:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99713 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 01:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 01:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 01:28:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2003 01:28:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:28:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 848 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.143 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I suspect the majority of the roll off is due to the Radio Shack > loop antenna, loop antennas are notorious for this. It would be > interesting to hear what it sounds like under the same reception > conditions using a broad band antenna. I have a Terk AM Advantage loop antenna, and the loss of treble response is noticeable when it's tuned to the "center" of a signal. It's not a drastic difference, but it does reduce the overall bandwidth -- although the improvement in sensitivity and selectivity more than makes it worthwhile. I haven't tried the Radio Shack loop antenna, but it might have a narrower bandwidth than the Terk, causing more loss of treble response. So, yes, it would be interesting to hear what the Fanfare sounds like in more typical conditions, such as receiving a local station using a long-wire antenna. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 06 18:33:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63446 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 01:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 01:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 01:33:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2003 01:33:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:33:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 221 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.143 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Catch it while you can... a brand new "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter, courtesy of our very own Chris Cuff. "Buy It Now" for US $125 and it's yours! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2195089977 From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Oct 06 19:05:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34302 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 02:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 02:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 02:05:51 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9725pNS006977 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:05:51 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9725pg26830 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:05:51 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9725ox26809 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:05:51 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:05:50 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471EC@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:05:43 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 It's gone already!! Chris you need to put the price up! :) -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2003 11:34 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay Catch it while you can... a brand new "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter, courtesy of our very own Chris Cuff. "Buy It Now" for US $125 and it's yours! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2195089977 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! 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Our website is www.pearlmartin.com. I designed the website myself, but my web design skills are a little rusty. Let me know if you know someone who can use our services. We are willing to travel. Keep in touch. Regards, Brian From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Oct 06 20:12:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50501 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 03:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 03:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 03:12:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2003 03:11:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 03:11:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2003 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: >=20 > What is this "ringing" that you keep mentioning, and why is it worse=20 > with a wide filter? Are you sure "ringing" isn't just an Urban=20 > Legend, and the real problem is simply that you prefer a rolled off=20 > high end with some types of music? >=20 > John >=20 >=20 IF ceramic filters are known for their steep skirts and ringing caused by the sharp rolloff of the detected audio. The one in particular is the =B17.5KHz 6-element ones found in the wideband car radios. I consider these moderately wide which is a compromise between wideband and selectivity. For me I would prefer a =B110KHz filter for wide and a =B16KHz one in series for narrow. For filters that drastically rolloff in the 10KHz range like the =B17.5KHz ones this is where the ear seems to be the most sensitive to the efects. There is something about the 8-12KHz range that reproduces high end crispness in most music and cutting it in half at 10KHz=20 produces a ringing that is most noticeable to the ears. When I listen to older country music or big band where the top end is not overcompressed and more open an audio response with a sharp cuttoff is not as much of a problem as compared to over processed highly compressed newer music. My theory on this is that the notes in the high end have natural attack and decay envelopes which have corrosponding upper and lower sidebands. Having a sharp cutoff effectivly SSB them modifing the natural envelope of the notes. On music with a mild top end it may appear as a slight treble boost but for heavly processed music it just exasperbates the=20 problem. Reducing the treble response helps some doesn't completely corrects the annoyance. As for LC IF filtering like the GE SRII radio the wideband mode has a gradual rolloff and no noticeable ringing. I only wish they hadn't used varactor tuning for the LO otherwise this would make a great AMS conversion. The audio is crisp and clean with a natural sound. JSG. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 06 20:41:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6935 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 03:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 03:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 03:41:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2003 03:41:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 03:41:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1062 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.143 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As for LC IF filtering like the GE SRII radio the wideband mode > has a gradual rolloff and no noticeable ringing. I only wish they > hadn't used varactor tuning for the LO otherwise this would make a > great AMS conversion. The audio is crisp and clean with a natural > sound. You mean the Superadio III, right? I thought the Superadio II used a conventional capacitor-tuning design, as it was really just the original Superadio with an upgraded woofer/tweeter speaker system. Another radio design you might like is the Philips "ECO-5" tuner, used in most of their late-'90s to early '00s radios with digital tuning (I believe some of their boomboxes still use the ECO-5, while the home stereos have switched to a newer design). It uses a traditional all-coils design, for good selectivity and audio quality without the need for a ceramic filter. I believe Philips rated its AM audio response to be flat to 8 kHz, and as Chris can attest, it was designed to support an AM Stereo decoder, so adding one is a snap, and the results are very good. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Oct 06 22:12:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46933 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 05:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 05:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 05:12:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2003 05:12:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 05:12:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 420 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > You mean the Superadio III, right? I thought the Superadio II used > a conventional capacitor-tuning design, as it was really just the > original Superadio with an upgraded woofer/tweeter speaker system. > Yea I forgot the extra 'I'. I've never seen a SRII but my SRIII definitely has a potentiometer connected to the dial string. JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Oct 07 00:56:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77565 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 07:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 07:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 07:56:44 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.191]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.255) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:58:41 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01c38ca8$719fd380$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471EC@aubwm206> Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:55:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Not to worry- I have plenty! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Trim, Matthew L To: Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:05 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay > It's gone already!! > > Chris you need to put the price up! :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2003 11:34 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter on eBay From mikeryan@tpg.com.au Tue Oct 07 03:02:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikeryan@tpg.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29919 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 10:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 10:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.tpgi.com.au) (203.12.160.57) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 10:02:38 -0000 Received: from server (203-213-60-152-syd-ts8-2600.tpgi.com.au [203.213.60.152]) by mail1.tpgi.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h97A2Zl05151 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:02:35 +1000 To: Subject: Microwave Links for 3MP Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:02:33 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal From: "Mike Ryan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7573532 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike111ryan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Grim news Ian, No pilot lights in Sydney...sad to hear of another blow to AM Stereo and more valuable spectrum not being utilised to its full potential. Spectrum is such a scarce resource! The Microwave link seems a good option. We have a community station that broadcasts in Mono to save on the ISDN link. I would be keen to be kept appraised as to what the costing and options are. Regards...Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 07 07:36:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17971 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 14:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 14:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 14:36:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2003 14:36:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:36:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Radio World "almost" plugs the Alfredo Lite Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 841 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The following article is in today's news at www.radioworld.com.... the interesting thing is that Kenneke is the same company that is reselling "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitters at a rather inflated price of US$174.95 each; if you go to their main site at http://www.kenneke.com and then click on "AM/FM/SW Transmitter Kits", you'll see it. But I suppose Radio World had it in mind when they mentioned "various transmitters"? Kenneke Radio Kits Touch Nostalgic Note A new line of radio kits from Kenneke Communications recalls the days of building your own receiver. The 3-Band Shortwave receiver kit makes a sensitive radio that pulls in distant stations from overseas as well as AM stations. Other kits available include AM receivers, various transmitters and a line of antennas. Info: www.kenneke.com/radiokits.html. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 07 08:13:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2071 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 15:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 15:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41012.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 15:13:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20031007151355.87306.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.39.227] by web41012.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:13:55 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Great! Maybe they will get ratings now! Good to hear them in stereo. At least 760 & its 2nd harmonic , 1520, are heard in stereo here. Any other pairs/triples like that? 1st order: 530-850, 2nd order: 1060-1700, 3rd order: 1590-1680. I imagine that 3rd order would be hard to come by: trying to get all three multiples in stereo. Example: 550, 1100, 1650. Now on to WPEP: I would like to go stereo on December 6th to coincide with our airing of the 1st Met Opera broadcast of the season. We DON'T have the following: a microwave link (although we have the license: WLI832) neither XMTR. nor RCVR., a stereo processor (unless you count the Powerside...which I don't. We have an Orban 9200), a stereo receiver (easy enough to rig up @ 1st) and finally our air/production boards were wired in mono. PRODUCTION ROOM: The production board was easy enough because it's a Mackie, so all I had to do was elliminate the Y connectors on the stereo sources & get the mono sources off of the stereo channels. Yes, the C.D. player WAS going into a mono channel with a Y connector. I put an end to that with a quickness! Now all that's left is to add a mono ¼" plug for the right channel of the cart machine in there, and wire up the production board in stereo to the Wireready computer, which is already in there. AIR STUDIO: Total freaking disaster. This idiot that wired everything up didn't do me any favors! Y-connectors everywhere, XLRs not going anywhere, left-channel-only everything and punchblocks in the back room which is probably the only thing I can't figure out. I DID find some cable that had 16 sets of 3-conductor XLR wire. It's about 3/4" (2cm) in diameter. THAT is going to come in handy! There's got to be over 50' (16m) of it! I'd guess more than 100' (31m? I can convert the small stuff) actually. I can have the air studio rewired in a couple of days, but then the hard part begins: getting the hardware (UHF STL, A.M. Stereo receiver, A.M. Stereo processor, wiring it to the XMTR.). We have a spare punchblock. Please help, especially Scott since you've already given me a couple of suggestions which I'll follow up on and Mike J. Richards because you've already wired up KMER & KEVA. Also, Chris: when we get our sales up I'll need a quote on fixed-frequency receivers tuned to 1570. Everyone else: plese keep suggestions going. If I ever find a way to capture audio & uplink it I'll post it. I still have that A.M. Stereo ID from KDAY/1580 which I was never able to figure out how to send it. Thanks in advance! Jay Rogers, N1WVQ P.D.: WPEP/1570-Taunton, Ma.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 07 08:36:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57464 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 15:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 15:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 15:36:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2003 15:36:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:36:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031007151355.87306.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 420 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Jay, If you have any use for a CRL SPP-800 Stereo Preparation Processor (dual-band AGC/compressor), like the one KEVA uses, there's one on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2563171243 As for an AM Stereo receiver, this Realistic TM-152 isn't the best- sounding or most sophisticated one ever made, but it will get the job done: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3051420477 From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Oct 07 09:06:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16150 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 16:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 16:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 16:06:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2003 16:06:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:06:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 412 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > As for an AM Stereo receiver, this Realistic TM-152 isn't the best- > sounding or most sophisticated one ever made, but it will get the > job done: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3051420477 Alternatively, there's Marv's Fanfare FT-100, as a reference monitor. :) (http://www.fanfare.com/) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Oct 07 09:24:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18106 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 16:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 16:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 16:24:51 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:24:50 -0600 Message-ID: <007201c38cef$88644190$5401010a@AM> To: References: <20031007151355.87306.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:24:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo I'm here Jay. Any help I can be, ya got me. I know that re-wiring can be a nightmare!! Punch blocks really are nice to use if done right. For your microwave....keep an eye out for mono STLs. You will need two of them. That is the RIGHT way to do it anyway for AM Stereo. My engineer told me that many times. Technically it is possible to do it with a STEREO STL receiver and STEREO STL transmitter.......but you have to end up have modulators and demodulators on each end to turn it into fm stereo to pass across on the stereo STL path, and then a demodulator to demodulate it back down to two separate channels on the transmitter end. It's a lot easier to have 2 mono STLs. Then you have your two separate channels. You can use a diplexer to diplex both into the same dish to transmit. Then on the other end, you just use one receive antenna and have it going into both receivers. I'm sure you probably know all of this. And of course you need a C-quam exciter :) Exciter goes at the transmitter end. Meanwhile you do all the other processing at the studio end before it goes into the STLs. We've seen a few of the CRL processors come and go on EBay and other used equipment places. Kevin T has a good set that he got on Ebay. The CRL processors are just fine. Mine work great. They're old, but they work. And of course if you could get your hands on an Orban 9100 that works great as well. Good luck!!! And let us know when you need something. We'll keep our eyes open for ya. Looking forward to the new AM Stereo WPEP! Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:13 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. > Now on to WPEP: I would like to go stereo on > December 6th to coincide with our airing of the > 1st Met Opera broadcast of the season. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 07 10:23:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3298 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 17:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 17:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 17:23:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2003 17:23:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:23:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007201c38cef$88644190$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 730 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Exciter goes at the transmitter end. Meanwhile you do all the other > processing at the studio end before it goes into the STLs. It's best to have the final peak limiter at the transmitter end, because that way it can catch any stray peak transients caused by the STL and ensure that you don't overmodulate or exceed the proper bandwidth. Meanwhile, the other audio processing gear, such as AGC and compressors, should be placed at the studio end of the STL, so that any noise/hiss/hum caused by the STL doesn't get exaggerated by having this processing at the transmitter end -- or, in case the DJ starts yelling into the mike, to prevent the STL itself from exceeding its maximum audio level and causing distortion. From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Oct 07 10:44:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40184 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 17:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 17:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 17:44:54 -0000 Received: from michael (ppp196.qwest.dsl.vcn.com [209.193.99.197]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:44:53 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:44:17 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just pointing out how I've had professional engineers tell me to do it, and how I have seen it all installed at every installation I've seen. Same goes for FM. ALL processing goes on the front side of the STL. No processing at the transmitter site. If the processing is set properly then you won't have to worry about overmodulating the STL's level.....the processing takes care of it. Then you have a full quality audio signal, processed and all, heading over the stl airwaves and into the exciter. At least that's how I've always seen it done in my 20 years in the biz. MJR -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:24 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. > Exciter goes at the transmitter end. Meanwhile you do all the other > processing at the studio end before it goes into the STLs. It's best to have the final peak limiter at the transmitter end, because that way it can catch any stray peak transients caused by the STL and ensure that you don't overmodulate or exceed the proper bandwidth. Meanwhile, the other audio processing gear, such as AGC and compressors, should be placed at the studio end of the STL, so that any noise/hiss/hum caused by the STL doesn't get exaggerated by having this processing at the transmitter end -- or, in case the DJ starts yelling into the mike, to prevent the STL itself from exceeding its maximum audio level and causing distortion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 07 11:33:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54778 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 18:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 18:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 18:33:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2003 18:33:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:32:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 533 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Then you have a full quality audio signal, processed and all, > heading over the stl airwaves and into the exciter. That is fine for most analog STLs, but a problem arises with digitally compressed STLs, because the encoding/decoding process is never 100% perfect, and can create additional peak transients and high-frequency artifacts. When directly transmitted without any additional processing, that can cause overmodulation and splatter, even if the audio processing at the studio side of the STL is working perfectly. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Oct 07 11:37:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81420 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 18:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 18:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 18:37:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20031007183713.91597.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.246.37] by web41206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 11:37:13 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MCS on ebay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Theres an MCS 3050 on US ebay. M http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3051788987&category=3282 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Oct 07 13:33:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10820 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 20:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 20:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 20:33:24 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1ac.1b1d22fd (15700) for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m25.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v96.8) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d543f8322bd11c; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:31:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:31:57 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo in Florida. MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7A017DAA.6B7F1A83.00166593@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 152.75.227.85 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Some updates to the AM Stereo page insofar as stations in Florida: WDIZ/590 Panama City is no longer Adult Standards...It's now a "Fox Sports" affiliate, and I question if they're still in AM Stereo, now that they don't play music. WODX/1480 Marco Island now sports the WVOI calls, and it's now Satellite Oldies (using the same service that WWBF AM Stereo 1130 in Bartow uses)..I question if this one, too, is in Stereo....Haven't been able to get close enough to it to hear separation, and the last I could tell they were pilot only...Same with sister WCNZ/1660...The "ST" light is on but nobody's home....I called them and asked them what was up, and they replied "Well, you're one of the few people with AM Stereo"...A far cry from the days that Phil Beckman ran the place. I also don't think that WMEL/920 is in stereo anymore.... Yeah, we're doing pretty bad here in the Sunshine State. I saw a website for WRNE/980 in Pensacola that claimed "AM STEREO", but not sure if that's the case, I hope on going there next month if all goes well, so I'll check it out and see what the status is. -Tony Simon From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Oct 07 15:41:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97052 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 22:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 22:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 22:41:31 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.20.1a031335 (15899) for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m18.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.134]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v96.8) with ESMTP id MAILINID92-3e1b3f8340caf0; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:40:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:40:10 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kahn proposing his own method of Digital FM? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0485BA6F.208B852D.00166593@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 65.80.18.124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx I read in Radio World that Kahn was also going to present to the FCC a proposal for Digital FM done his way? Did I read correctly? Anyone know more? Tony Simon From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Oct 07 16:16:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55435 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 23:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 23:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 23:16:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2003 23:16:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:16:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Philly IBOC report Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1087 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 65.80.18.124 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx > > Next it was on to 92.5 WXTU... digital junk all over 92.3 > > and 92.7 -- however, my car radio didn't know what to do > > with the digital splatter. Along almost the entire length > > of I-76 -- and half way down Rt. 42 into NJ -- my radio's > > seek stopped on 92.3 and 92.7, but it would *not* stop on > > 92.5. Every time I wanted to listen to WXTU, I had to seek > > to 92.3 or 92.7 then manually tune to 92.5. Has anyone else > > experienced this? Honestly, with all the horror stories that I'm having with WQAM here in Miami (just tried picking it up on the Watkins-Johnson receiver at work, you can hear the 'squeal' with the bandwidth set at 16khz, 6khz, even 3.2khz; only when the bandwidth is set at .3--where you can't understand any words--is the audio clean), I haven't heard much digital slop on the FM band (with WKIS 99.9, which is testing IBOC on FM)....99.7 and 100.1 are awful quiet, and my ability to hear WCTH 100.3 in the Keys has not been hampered....I have yet to test WRMA (106.7)'s IBOC signal at length, will do that tonight. Tony Simon From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Oct 07 16:47:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75169 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 23:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 23:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 23:47:02 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h97Nl1NS015993 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:47:01 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h97Nl0g27490 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:47:00 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h97Nkxx27476 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:47:00 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:46:59 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471F3@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: Excellent supply of SRF-AX15 available from AudioCubes! 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Kohn info@audiocubes.com www.audiocubes.com : stylish audio gear www.audiocubes2.com : hifi audio products www.minidisct.com : best MiniDisc online ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > To: Info @ Audio Cubes > Subject: Re: Enquiry from Audio Cubes > > G'day Kohn, > > Thanks for the quick response! > > I have ordered one to try out (you probably remember my order today?!) > > If it's any good, I look forward to ordering heaps! > > Are they in good supply? > > Cheers, > > Matt From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 07 16:55:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87661 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 23:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 23:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 23:55:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2003 23:55:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:55:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MCS on ebay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031007183713.91597.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Theres an MCS 3050 on US ebay. > M > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3051788987 That is one of my favorite "affordable" AM Stereo tuners, but I couldn't help but notice they ripped the first picture of it straight off the www.amstereoradio.com site.... From spfleck@citlink.net Tue Oct 07 17:09:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spfleck@citlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11744 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 00:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 00:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) (66.133.131.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 00:09:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 16489 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 00:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO steve) ([170.215.238.188]) (envelope-sender ) by relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.6) with SMTP for ; 8 Oct 2003 00:09:30 -0000 Message-ID: <007001c38d30$71775b20$01c8a8c0@n2ubp.net> To: Subject: PT-1 schematics Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:09:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Steve Fleckenstein" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2988995 X-Yahoo-Profile: n2ubp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.mcmlv.org/Archive/HiFi/PT1.pdf [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Tue Oct 07 17:32:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37820 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 00:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 00:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 00:32:38 -0000 Message-ID: <002f01c38d34$519a7a40$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: Fw: RBR's Morning E-Paper Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:37:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RBR's Morning E-Paper Gotta wonder who they're polling. 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All rights reserved. =20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Oct 07 17:37:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54424 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 00:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 00:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 00:37:36 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h980bZNS022751 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:37:35 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h980bag25546 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:37:36 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h980bax25532 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:37:36 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:37:35 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471F4@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: MCS on ebay Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:37:33 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Like you ripped the photo of the JX-220A from Ebay.. :) http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3042219856 from the page: "HI AM Stereo Radio Web Site Guy! ( http://www.amstereoradio.com ) Hope you enjoy using my pictures! Drop me an e-mail sometime and thank me for using my pictures for the various models on your site... you're OK by me ;-)" :) -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2003 9:56 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: MCS on ebay > Theres an MCS 3050 on US ebay. > M > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3051788987 That is one of my favorite "affordable" AM Stereo tuners, but I couldn't help but notice they ripped the first picture of it straight off the www.amstereoradio.com site.... From stodd@vippn.com Tue Oct 07 17:44:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5637 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 00:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 00:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 00:44:47 -0000 Message-ID: <005f01c38d36$0594e3e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:49:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They may have to make some compromises if the budget is tight. I wouldn't refuse to use a composite STL if I had only the one channel. They'd have to apply for another broadcast auxiliary license, and they'd never make it by 12/6. The 9100 is recommended for use with an 8200 co-processor on the studio end. Got them running this way on all three of my stations. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" > Just pointing out how I've had professional engineers tell me to do it, and > how I have seen it all installed at every installation I've seen. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Oct 07 18:10:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68715 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 01:10:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 01:10:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 01:10:22 -0000 Message-ID: <006b01c38d39$98834d60$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031007151355.87306.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:13:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Like I said earlier, start with your console outputs and then your main music sources. If most of your music comes off computer, get that wired first. At the punch blocks, group all your console inputs and outputs sequentially on different blocks. I know what you mean about those things being confusing. It was the same with me until someone explained there was a pattern to the ones at my stations. In the terminal room the blocks correspond one for one and in the same order as some of the ones in the terminal cabinets in the studio. I can still write small, so on the tabs of one side I write the source, and the other the destination. That's another thing you'll want to do- keep your signal flow left to right. I do that religiously except where existing wiring prevents it. I'm a big believer in bridge clips so in case a circuit has to be broken for testing it can be done without disturbing the wiring. If you're up to do a major rewiring, get some 25 pair cat-5 cable and use that to and from your terminal room instead. The RF immunity is incredible and it's a lot of pairs in a small space. When using three wire cable I generally don't punch grounds to a block, but either don't use them at all or else solder them to a ground bus running between the rows of blocks. It's also good practice to have some 2" strap running the length of the rows underneath the blocks, and the strap is tied to the station ground. Works wonders even in high RF environments. Run some LARGE conduits between your studios and terminal room. It helps keep the wiring neat. I actually wish I could be there to help you out on this, but time and money are not on my side. The only easy thing for you would be the AMS receiver- just go to a salvage yard. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- > AIR STUDIO: > Total freaking disaster. This idiot that wired > everything up didn't do me any favors! > Y-connectors everywhere, XLRs not going anywhere, > left-channel-only everything and punchblocks in > the back room which is probably the only thing I > can't figure out. I DID find some cable that had > 16 sets of 3-conductor XLR wire. It's about 3/4" > (2cm) in diameter. THAT is going to come in > handy! There's got to be over 50' (16m) of it! > I'd guess more than 100' (31m? I can convert the > small stuff) actually. I can have the air studio > rewired in a couple of days, but then the hard > part begins: getting the hardware (UHF STL, A.M. > Stereo receiver, A.M. Stereo processor, wiring it > to the XMTR.). We have a spare punchblock. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Oct 07 18:15:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36625 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 01:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 01:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 01:15:08 -0000 Message-ID: <008101c38d3a$431d0220$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471EB@aubwm206> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:19:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Please let us know how it sounds. I'm sure most of us are curious. What's the link? I probably won't be able to order til after Christmas, but it doesn't hurt to have it sooner. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trim, Matthew L" > It was $45 plus $10 shipping - so it will cost around $80 Australian to my > door - that's not bad. > > We could almost just post a link to the ordering page and interested > listeners could order direct from Audiocubes! > > I just hope it sounds OK! > From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Oct 07 18:20:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5397 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 01:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 01:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 01:20:24 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h981KNNS028507 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:20:23 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h981KNg19197 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:20:23 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h981KNx19108 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:20:23 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:20:22 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471F6@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read !) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:20:18 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 http://www.audiocubes.com/product_info.php?cPath=71_65&products_id=419 =) -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@vippn.com] Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2003 11:19 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) Please let us know how it sounds. I'm sure most of us are curious. What's the link? I probably won't be able to order til after Christmas, but it doesn't hurt to have it sooner. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trim, Matthew L" > It was $45 plus $10 shipping - so it will cost around $80 Australian to my > door - that's not bad. > > We could almost just post a link to the ordering page and interested > listeners could order direct from Audiocubes! > > I just hope it sounds OK! > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Oct 07 18:46:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23427 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 01:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 01:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 01:46:26 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.191.202447a7 (2168) for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <191.202447a7.2cb4c658@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:46:00 EDT Subject: KQXX/1700 Texas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know if they're Stereo? Tony Simon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Oct 07 18:50:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69705 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 01:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 01:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 01:50:51 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.102.36dacc3d (2168) for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <102.36dacc3d.2cb4c76d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:50:37 EDT Subject: Radio Unica group sold To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Radio Unica group has been sold to Multicultural Broadcasting..Some of the stations in the group are former AM Stereo stations KBLA/1580 Santa Monica/Los Angeles, and WNMA 1210 Miami Springs/Miami, as well as WJCC/1700 Miami Springs (a station required to be in Stereo but that is not)...Also included is 1660 WWRU Elizabeth, NJ, which I'm not sure of their Stereo status, but I believe last I heard they were either Stereo only in the day or only in the night, or something to that effect. Purchase price of the stations was $150million Tony Simon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kfornal@cox.net Tue Oct 07 19:15:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90967 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 02:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 02:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 02:15:00 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031008021458.HWGF17519.lakemtao03.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:14:58 -0400 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: MCS on ebay Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:14:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c38d41$e5f1b700$0301a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=128541479 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does the MCS 3050 have expanded band? Keith Fornal Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 7:56 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: MCS on ebay > Theres an MCS 3050 on US ebay. > M > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=3051788987 That is one of my favorite "affordable" AM Stereo tuners, but I couldn't help but notice they ripped the first picture of it straight off the www.amstereoradio.com site.... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Click Here! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 07 19:29:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16538 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 02:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 02:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 02:29:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2003 02:29:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 02:29:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Unica group sold Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <102.36dacc3d.2cb4c76d@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2407 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Also included is 1660 WWRU Elizabeth, NJ, which I'm not sure of > their Stereo status, but I believe last I heard they were either > Stereo only in the day or only in the night, or something to that > effect. 1660 WWRU, originally called WJDM, started out diplexing from the transmitter site of their parent station, 1530 WJDM, using a single tower. Back then, 1660 was AM Stereo full-time, and with their "Radio Aahs" music format, they had true stereo separation, too. Then, to provide better coverage of New York City, 1660 began diplexing their daytime signal from the 1380 WKDM transmitter site, in mono, while their nighttime signal -- still transmitted from the original WJDM site -- remained in full Stereo. Subsequently, 1660 is now WWRU/Radio Unica, and now both their daytime and nighttime signals are diplexed from the WKDM site, with a C-Quam AM Stereo pilot tone being sent out 24 hours a day, but no true Stereo audio because of Radio Unica being produced only in mono. WWRU is the first Expanded Band station to have a 10,000-watt *directional* nighttime signal, and now they have a Construction Permit to switch their 10,000-watt daytime signal to directional as well, still diplexed from the WKDM site. Meanwhile, 1660's parent station, daytime-only 1530 WJDM, is STILL on the air, with a Spanish Religious format. Their AM Stereo status has been rather flakey in recent years; first, they were true AM Stereo with full separation, then they dropped to mono -- then, the Stereo mysteriously reappeared. Then, they shut the pilot tone off, but continued to transmit "stereo" audio, in the Left channel ONLY. That went on for quite some time, but now WJDM has no pilot tone and no Stereo separation -- but I'm willing to bet that the C-Quam exciter is still there, just being fed with (dual-channel) mono audio with the pilot tone turned off. Another station that operated in a similar manner is 540 WLIE out on Long Island. Back in their days as Nostalgia music station WLUX, they dropped AM Stereo, but suddenly a few months ago, they began transmitting C-Quam audio in the Left channel only, with no pilot tone. I e-mailed their engineer about it, but he pleaded ignorance, saying that WLIE has no AM Stereo equipment installed. Now, as of a few weeks ago, their audio is back in both channels, but with no pilot tone and no stereo separation. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 07 19:33:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1003 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 02:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 02:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 02:33:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2003 02:33:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 02:33:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MCS on ebay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c38d41$e5f1b700$0301a8c0@OMNIBOOK> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 464 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does the MCS 3050 have expanded band? No, unfortunately it only tunes 530 to 1620 kHz on AM. But if you have a strong Expanded Band signal in your area and use a tuned loop antenna (like a Terk AM Advantage), however, you may be able to pick up an "image" of it at 900 kHz lower than the station's actual frequency. For example, on my MCS, if I adjust the antenna in a certain manner, I can pick up an image of 1680 WTTM on 780 kHz -- in full AM Stereo! From brian60420@yahoo.com Tue Oct 07 20:25:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12803 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 03:25:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 03:25:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80604.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 03:25:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20031008025933.86968.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.233.197.134] by web80604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:59:33 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471E8@aubwm206> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: brian60420 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This brings up a point that I have been pondering for months. All you AM Stereo stations out there with websites should listen up. Why not take a page from the PCS/Cellular playbook, and resale AM Stereo receivers on your webpage? PCS/Cellular companies aren't in the business of radio sales or phone sales. They are service providers. The way I see it, so are commercial stations. You offer the service of entertainment and programming in exchange for commercial revenue. Why not offer your listeners the BEST AM STEREO RADIOS ON THE MARKET? It's not the 80's anymore. Receiver sales could be a part of an untapped revenue source and why not allow your listeners the opportunity to get the best sound from YOUR STATION. Don't leave it in the hands of "be(a)st buy" or (short)circuit city. I highly recommend the SRF-AX15 and SRF-AX51V (listening to one right now). If AudioCubes offers radios, resell. If Ford, Chrysler, and GM offer radios, find out what car models and radio models offer premium sound. Maybe my idea is unreal or unworkable, but it seems to work well for the PCS/Cellular folks. By the way, they are also in the radio business too. brian "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: Hi, I thought I'd contact Audiocubes and see if they could offer a discount on a bulk purchase. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Oct 07 20:30:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83648 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 03:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 03:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 03:30:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2003 03:30:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 03:30:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031008025933.86968.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 534 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 66.127.242.186 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, brian60420 wrote: > This brings up a point that I have been pondering for months. All you AM Stereo stations out there with websites should listen up. Why not take a page from the PCS/Cellular playbook, and resale AM Stereo receivers on your webpage? Back in the 1980s, some stations DID have radio deals through local retailers, as well as contests for free AM stereo radios. (KFI gave away free SRF-A100s at demo booths all over southern California.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Oct 07 23:31:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42079 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 06:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 06:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 06:31:51 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h986VpNS031275 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:31:51 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h986Vpg09338 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:31:51 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h986Vpx09320 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:31:51 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:31:50 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471F8@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read !) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:31:49 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 I just rang Sony Australia to see if they would import them directly for me but they told me all they could do was consider adding the SRF-AX15 to the Australian product lineup for next year. They said they would consider it but there has to be a demand for the radio - I said our local station was going to sell as many as it could and she said unfortunately they would need to stock it Australia wide - when you think about it they would need to have their repair centres briefed if any came in for repair for warranty issues etc. Anyway, doesn't matter for now, importing them ourselves is OK.. -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2003 1:30 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, brian60420 wrote: > This brings up a point that I have been pondering for months. All you AM Stereo stations out there with websites should listen up. Why not take a page from the PCS/Cellular playbook, and resale AM Stereo receivers on your webpage? From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Oct 07 23:46:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68938 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 06:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 06:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 06:46:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2003 06:46:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 06:46:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471E8@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 922 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.160 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I thought I'd contact Audiocubes and see if they could offer a discount on a > bulk purchase. >=20 > >=20 > JSG, do you have one? - need to find out what sort of ceramic filter they > use - they may need a little widening for nicer audio.. > :) >=20 > These seem to be our best bet on getting AMS back into the hands of the > public - Chris's radio sounds nice but I doubt it can be sold for less than > $41! >=20 No I don't have one. My AMS radios consist of a heavily modified TM-152, an AMS converted(MC13020) Pioneer SX-2600, and an AMS converted(MC13028) Nikko 8085. If the IF is 455KHz a =B175KHz ceramic filter can be scavenged from older 50MHz cordless phones. These filters are similar to the ones in the wideband Chrysler=20 radios. You can also use Chris's trick of putting a small cap across the filter to open it up. JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Oct 08 00:34:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9267 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 07:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 07:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 07:34:24 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.11]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:36:25 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c38d6e$7da83340$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471EB@aubwm206> <008101c38d3a$431d0220$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:33:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I had posted about these before, but to repeat- These 15's are not high fidelity- they DO sound good, but they have a much narrower bandwidth than any other Sony model. Because of this, separation is not as pronounced. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 08 00:49:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26394 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 07:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 07:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 07:49:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2003 07:49:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:49:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1269 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > JSG, do you have one? - need to find out what sort of ceramic > > filter they use - they may need a little widening for nicer > > audio.. As Chris wrote last month, comparing the Sony SRF-AX51V, SRF-AX15, and SRF-A300 (all available from AudioCubes), "The 51V is good- not as wide bandwidth, but sleek and small. The 15 has a built-in speaker, but also has the worst bandwidth and a kinda chintzy look and feel to it. The 300 is a nice radio. As Kevin pointed out, it does have very pleasing, warm tone, limited in high freqs, but a very listenable radio. The FM band is it's downfall, range wise, but as noted, with tweaking it can tune higher up." No doubt, at its low price the SRF-AX15 is still good just to be able to hear AM Stereo, but for those who want the extra quality, I'd say the SRF-AX51V is worth spending extra for.... and of course, for those who want a very nice AM Stereo radio with built-in stereo speakers, the SRF-A300 is great -- and at US$99.00 from AudioCubes, I'd say that price is very reasonable... it has a very sturdy, well- crafted design, with a large, smooth tuning dial, as opposed to the fidgetly little thumb-wheel tuning that the Walkman models tend to have. That feature alone makes it worth a lot more to me. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Oct 08 03:15:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9635 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 10:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 10:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.11.97) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 10:15:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:15:17 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.62 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:15:17 GMT X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oz loss of AM Stereo Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:15:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2003 10:15:17.0865 (UTC) FILETIME=[12986590:01C38D85] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 TESTING...... TO SEE if I get this post on the list; haven't received any amstereo forum messages for nearly 24 hours. donn st petersburg _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your existing Internet access and enjoy patented spam protection and more. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Oct 08 04:00:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54783 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 11:00:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 11:00:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 11:00:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2003 11:00:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:00:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c38d6e$7da83340$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 898 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 220.240.128.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Sorry Chris I couldn't find your original post - my biggest question is can you widen the bandwidth using your ceramic capacitor trick across the filter? If we get a batch of these 15's I want to be able to mod them fairly easily for better bandwidth. Unfortunately I think this is the only radio in the price range of Aussies (eg under $100 AUD) - the Sony SRF-AX51V is much more expensive $US69 vs $US45 for the 15 and also has a stupid sub- minature headphone jack that will annoy everyone as they will need to buy an adaptor for "normal" headphones! Thanks for your help Chris! Matt --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: I had posted about these before, but to repeat- These 15's are not high fidelity- they DO sound good, but they have a much narrower bandwidth than any other Sony model. Because of this, separation is not as pronounced. Chris From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Oct 08 04:59:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23951 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 11:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 11:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 11:59:41 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:01:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c38d93$a74b8880$08a8a8c0@Chris1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:59:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I plan to play with mine a bit, and see what tweaks I can come up with- stay tuned! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: "bofh2k2000" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:00 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) > Sorry Chris I couldn't find your original post - my biggest question > is can you widen the bandwidth using your ceramic capacitor trick > across the filter? > From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Oct 08 06:51:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21482 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 13:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 13:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 13:51:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2003 13:51:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:51:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1781 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote in part: and of course, for > those who want a very nice AM Stereo radio with built-in stereo > speakers, the SRF-A300 is great -- and at US$99.00 from AudioCubes, > I'd say that price is very reasonable... it has a very sturdy, well- > crafted design, with a large, smooth tuning dial, as opposed to the > fidgetly little thumb-wheel tuning that the Walkman models tend to > have. That feature alone makes it worth a lot more to me. I've been growing weary, oh so weary, of fidiling with the tuning on my SRF-42. So, I took the plunge and ordered an SRF-A300 from Audiocubes. While the SRF-42 is supposed to have a much better top end, any AM Stereo listening I do is DX - well with the exception of my Alfredo Lite. Unless I do some somewhat exotic antenna tuning, I can't listen to the AL in stereo on the SRF-42 anyway [by using an SAT as an antenna tuner to match my transmitting antenna, then stereo pops in quite well]. The AL sounds fantastic on my good mono gear - SRIII, Heath PY-1 etc. So, assuming I like the A300, I may put my SRF-42 up on eBay - it is in mint condition, complete with the somewhat crumpled box. For truly hi-fi AM listening [requiring a decent signal strength], nothing can beat the Heath PT-1, other similar Heath tuners, or various other wideband AM tube tuners from other manufactures in the late 50s and into the 60s. Any station that offers enough signal for enjoyable listening in my listening area is, unfortunately, in mono. Having a good AM Stereo DX machine will be nice however. Shame the A300 doesn't cover the extended band, as WTTM is by far and away the most reliable AM Stereo signal here at night. Phil R. PEI Canada From jim@burgan.net Wed Oct 08 07:46:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36994 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 14:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 14:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-3.iquest.net) (206.246.180.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 14:46:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 73683 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 14:46:34 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-3.iquest.net with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 14:46:34 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-50.iquest.net [209.43.58.50]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with SMTP id APJ48451; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:46:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002c01c38daa$f80af410$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: <7A017DAA.6B7F1A83.00166593@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Florida. Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:46:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I also don't think that WMEL/920 is in stereo anymore.... They are not. Last time I was in Cocoa Beach/Melbourne I checked and there was no stereo pilot on WMEL. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 08 08:06:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83671 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 15:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 15:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 15:06:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2003 15:06:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:06:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 418 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Shame the A300 doesn't cover the extended band, as WTTM is by far > and away the most reliable AM Stereo signal here at night. From end to end, my SRF-A300 tunes 525 to 1650 kHz. With some careful tweaking, you'd probably be able to make it tune in the full Expanded Band up to 1700 or 1710 kHz. My 'A300 was also similarly tweaked to tune up to about 99 MHz on FM, as opposed to ~90 MHz in unmodified form. From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Oct 08 08:28:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48780 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 15:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 15:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 15:28:18 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:28:17 -0600 Message-ID: <004301c38db0$cc8bcb60$5401010a@AM> To: References: <20031007151355.87306.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> <006b01c38d39$98834d60$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:28:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott I've thought many times about using CAT-5 cable to do audio wiring, but I was worried about the RF factor since the CAT-5 cable isn't shielded. We have MAJOR RF here. So it CAN and DOES work well?? If so, that's great news. Being a computer guy, I have tons of CAT5 cable :) Should I try it and see? Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. If you're up to do a major rewiring, get some 25 pair cat-5 cable and use that to and from your terminal room instead. The RF immunity is incredible and it's a lot of pairs in a small space. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Oct 08 10:36:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8159 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2003 17:36:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:36:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2410 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.73 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > >=20 > > What is this "ringing" that you keep mentioning, and why is it=20 > > worse with a wide filter? Are you sure "ringing" isn't just an=20 > > Urban Legend, and the real problem is simply that you prefer a=20 > > rolled off high end with some types of music? >=20 > IF ceramic filters are known for their steep skirts and ringing > caused by the sharp rolloff of the detected audio. The one in > particular is the =B17.5KHz 6-element ones found in the wideband > car radios. I consider these moderately wide which is a compromise > between wideband and selectivity. For me I would prefer a =B110KHz > filter for wide and a =B16KHz one in series for narrow. For filters > that drastically rolloff in the 10KHz range like the =B17.5KHz ones > this is where the ear seems to be the most sensitive to the efects. > There is something about the 8-12KHz range that reproduces high > end crispness in most music and cutting it in half at 10KHz=20 > produces a ringing that is most noticeable to the ears. What exactly is this "ringing", and how is it produced? The only=20 "ringing" I have ever heard in a radio, was in an old tube radio that=20 would "ring" when you tapped one of the tubes. > When I > listen to older country music or big band where the top end is > not overcompressed and more open an audio response with a sharp > cuttoff is not as much of a problem as compared to over processed > highly compressed newer music. My theory on this is that the notes > in the high end have natural attack and decay envelopes which have > corrosponding upper and lower sidebands. Having a sharp cutoff > effectivly SSB them modifing the natural envelope of the notes. OK, it doesn't seem likely to me when you consider the math, but I'm=20 glad that I am not afflicted with a Golden Ear. > On music with a mild top end it may appear as a slight treble > boost but for heavly processed music it just exasperbates the=20 > problem. I don't understand why this would "appear as a slight treble boost"?=20=20 Am I correct in assuming this isn't something that can be measured,=20 but is rather a psycho acoustic phenomenon? > Reducing the treble response helps some doesn't completely > corrects the annoyance. Does using a "=B16KHz" filter eliminate the ringing, or make it worse? John From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Oct 08 15:11:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68533 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 22:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2003 22:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2003 22:11:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2003 22:11:38 -0000 Date: 8 Oct 2003 22:11:37 -0000 Message-ID: <1065651097.28270.75600.w17@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /RTE.mp3 Uploaded by : amstereofan Description : Short MONO Rec on a Sony ST-JX220a in 'wideband' mode of Ireland's national broadcaster on 567khz You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/RTE.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, amstereofan From stodd@vippn.com Wed Oct 08 17:15:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74573 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 00:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 00:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 00:15:12 -0000 Message-ID: <003201c38dfb$0dfe8e80$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031007151355.87306.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> <006b01c38d39$98834d60$827dfea9@home1> <004301c38db0$cc8bcb60$5401010a@AM> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:19:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Absolutely. The reason it's so RF immune has to do with the fact it's twisted moreso than regular phone cable, and technology has progressed that though the insulation is thinner, it is no less rugged. With thinner insulation and the extra twists, to RF it looks like the two conductors are physically occupying the same space, hence the superior cancellation. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" > I've thought many times about using CAT-5 cable to do audio wiring, but I was worried about the RF factor since the CAT-5 cable isn't shielded. We have MAJOR RF here. So it CAN and DOES work well?? If so, that's great news. Being a computer guy, I have tons of CAT5 cable :) Should I try it and see? > > Michael n WYO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Todd > > If you're up to do a major rewiring, get some 25 pair cat-5 cable and use > that to and from your terminal room instead. The RF immunity is incredible > and it's a lot of pairs in a small space. > From stodd@vippn.com Wed Oct 08 17:17:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64138 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 00:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 00:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 00:17:32 -0000 Message-ID: <004201c38dfb$625437a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <191.202447a7.2cb4c658@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} KQXX/1700 Texas Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:22:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Is that the one in College Station? If so, it used to be but isn't now. Seems to me it had a different set of calls in its stereo days. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: {AMSF} KQXX/1700 Texas > Anyone know if they're Stereo? From stodd@vippn.com Wed Oct 08 17:22:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34286 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 00:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 00:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 00:22:23 -0000 Message-ID: <005701c38dfc$1022d8a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <102.36dacc3d.2cb4c76d@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Unica group sold Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:26:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Any chance Neal could use his connections within Multicultural to see if he can persuade them to turn the stereo back on if they still have it? We haven't heard from him here for some time. Is he still on the list? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > The Radio Unica group has been sold to Multicultural Broadcasting..Some of > the stations in the group are former AM Stereo stations KBLA/1580 Santa > Monica/Los Angeles, and WNMA 1210 Miami Springs/Miami, as well as WJCC/1700 Miami > Springs From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Oct 08 17:28:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23150 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 00:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 00:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 00:28:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 00:28:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:28:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Unica group sold Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005701c38dfc$1022d8a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 516 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx "Scott Todd" wrote: > can persuade them to turn the stereo back on I don't see why WJCC/1700 Miami wouldn't still have the gear, it was only 5 or 6 years ago they were Stereo, if less...Of course, the studio has changed, so they may not have their studio set up for Stereo anymore...As for 1210, i'm not sure how long it's been since they went Mono, but they were one of the first in Miami to go Stereo, if not the first, and certainly the first to make a big deal about it in TV commercials. -Tony Simon From stodd@vippn.com Wed Oct 08 17:31:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38406 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 00:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 00:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 00:30:58 -0000 Message-ID: <005b01c38dfd$42e43440$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031008025933.86968.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:35:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude As Amy said, some stations did do that during the 80s, but it's high time the concept was revived. Since these radios are made for the Japanese band plan, if a station were to import a fair quantity, they might want to inquire about modifications they could make without voiding the warranty before selling them to make them conform to US standards. Great suggestion, Brian. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian60420" > This brings up a point that I have been pondering for months. All you AM Stereo stations out there with websites should listen up. Why not take a page from the PCS/Cellular playbook, and resale AM Stereo receivers on your webpage? > From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Oct 08 17:31:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33103 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 00:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 00:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 00:31:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 00:31:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:31:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KQXX/1700 Texas Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004201c38dfb$625437a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 206 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx "Scott Todd" wrote: > Is that the one in College Station? No....Brownsville....It's "Oldies Radio 1700" .Heard them on my CC Radio when I went to the west coast of Florida over the summer. Tony Simon From stodd@vippn.com Wed Oct 08 17:36:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41262 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 00:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 00:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 00:36:05 -0000 Message-ID: <006901c38dfd$f9e543a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Unica group sold Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:40:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The studio isn't the only factor- what about their STL setup? With different studios there may be a problem getting stereo audio to the TX. A lot of mono stations wire their studios for stereo. In fact, all the Salem engineers insist on it for new installations even though the chances of it being used to its full potential are slim. BTW, wasn't this station at one time owned by the same group that operates that big SW station out of Chile? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" > I don't see why WJCC/1700 Miami wouldn't still have the gear, it was > only 5 or 6 years ago they were Stereo, if less...Of course, the > studio has changed, so they may not have their studio set up for > Stereo anymore... From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Oct 08 17:37:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97908 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 00:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 00:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 00:37:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 00:37:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:37:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2CH/Australia Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c38c6c$bd4e7ca0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 91 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Did 2CH ever return to Stereo? Before I went on my hiatus, they still hadn't. Tony Simon From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Oct 08 17:42:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65693 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 00:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 00:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 00:42:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 00:42:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:41:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio Unica group sold Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006901c38dfd$f9e543a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 717 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx > BTW, wasn't this station at one time owned by the same group that operates > that big SW station out of Chile? Hrm...Don't think so...Herb Dolgoff owned it when 1210 first went Stereo around '83 (having been a daytimer on 1220), they sold to Spanish Broadcasting System around 1987, then One On One Sports bought it in late '97, signed on the 1700 X-Bander and LMA'ed it to Spanish Broadcasting System, then Unica bought it 2 months after One On One had bought it...Don't think there was ever a Chilean connection....1700 is now LMA'ed to one Tony Calatayud, who used to be a TV sportscaster (he originally tried All Sports on 1700, but when that failed, he went the Spanish Christian route). Tony Simon From stodd@vippn.com Wed Oct 08 17:53:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11787 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 00:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 00:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 00:53:31 -0000 Message-ID: <007a01c38e00$69116e00$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Unica group sold Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:58:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think he does have connections to that Chilean station. Don't know why he didn't revive the stereo since if they played any of the same music as La Voz Christiana it would have been a real treat to have it in stereo. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" > 1700 is now LMA'ed to one Tony Calatayud, who used to > be a TV sportscaster (he originally tried All Sports on 1700, but > when that failed, he went the Spanish Christian route). From dav259@csiro.au Wed Oct 08 18:33:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29543 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 01:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 01:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 01:32:59 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h991WtZn014601 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:32:58 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:32:55 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2CH/Australia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Tony wrote: > Did 2CH ever return to Stereo? Before I went on my hiatus, they still > hadn't. No Tony. Sydney has no stereo stations at the moment - though the last I heard 2CH's sister station 2GB at least has a pilot. Ian Melbourne From bratina501@msn.com Wed Oct 08 18:41:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44826 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 01:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 01:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 01:41:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 01:41:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:41:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disneys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031004023950.37996.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 955 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Can anyone tell us what Radio Disneys are in AM Stereo please- there is a website of the frequencies but they don't tell if its AMS or not. > > Michael > > > There's also 1690 KADZ in the Denver area, running "Radio Disney" in > full (((Stereo))). > I know that KDZR 1640 Lake Oswego Portland is in stereo I can actually listen to them and I live in southwest Washington. But I get a pop sound that starts in the left audio channel and then in the right. > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > Michael&Ross > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Wed Oct 08 18:45:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74034 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 01:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 01:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 01:45:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 01:45:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:45:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disneys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 887 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > > > 1680 - KAVT - Fresno, CA (((STEREO))) > > > > It could be the weak signal, but I seem to be unable to find the > > separation on this one at night listening from San Diego, CA... > > All I have gotten from up here is pilot-only, no separation, and some > overmodulation of the bass. I have heard others claim there is > separation. I have never heard it. (And no, I don't have one of those > AMS radios that blend to mono on weak signals.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I used to be able to get KAVT in stereo but a international music station from Seattle is causing some interference just enough to cause platform motion From bratina501@msn.com Wed Oct 08 18:54:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39107 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 01:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 01:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 01:54:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 01:54:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:54:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio Disneys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007d01c38ad4$48f32520$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 551 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Seems they have a problem with some of their equipment. It was a discussion > from a long ago thread on another list. IIRC it was their satellite > receiver. There is some separation but not nearly as much as there could > be. > Probably not that KDZR most likley uses the same reciever. KAVT might be pilot only since when I heard them in stereo I got absolutly no separation at all but the pilot light was on. I tried to listen on a SRF-42 but I got the same thing From amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com Wed Oct 08 19:13:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amradiorocks2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27399 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 02:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 02:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 02:13:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 02:13:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 02:13:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kmox back in stereo? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 291 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amradiorocks2003" X-Originating-IP: 216.236.69.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159812500 X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiorocks2003 Hey i have final got an Am Stereo radio for my Truck and when i turned it to Kmox the stereo light came on, it was barely getting the stereo though, i heard they turned stereo off a few years ago? Did they turn it back on?? I also have yet to hear any music in AM stereo with it though. From bratina501@msn.com Wed Oct 08 19:28:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82136 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 02:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 02:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 02:28:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 02:28:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 02:28:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kmox back in stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 483 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amradiorocks2003" wrote: > Hey i have final got an Am Stereo radio for my Truck and when i > turned it to Kmox the stereo light came on, it was barely getting > the stereo though, i heard they turned stereo off a few years ago? > Did they turn it back on?? I also have yet to hear any music in AM > stereo with it though. If they are still running I Love Jazz you will know for sure if they are in stereo or not. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 08 20:23:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47378 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 03:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 03:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 03:23:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 03:23:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 03:23:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Unica group sold Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007a01c38e00$69116e00$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1340 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think he does have connections to that Chilean station. Don't > know why he didn't revive the stereo since if they played any of > the same music as La Voz Christiana it would have been a real treat > to have it in stereo. If you're talking about the Expanded Band station on 1700 kHz in Miami Springs, they were indeed a full-fledged AM Stereo station when they first went on the air as WCMQ with a Spanish music format. I think they were one of the first half-dozen or so Expanded Band stations to sign on, so back then the band was very clear and I was able to pick them up in full AM Stereo here in New Jersey -- some 1000 miles away -- using only the built-in antenna of my Sony SRF-42! Oh, and as for Radio Unica's affiliate 1660 WWRU (that is to be sold to Multicultural), I managed to dig up this old correspondence with their engineer... I have no idea if he's still with the station, but here's what he said a while back: From: George Butch <71310.2355@compuserve.com> Date: July 15, 2000 Kevin, I am the AM Chief Engineer for the company (Radio Unica) that owns WWRU in New Jersey. We acquired it long after it went on the air. Although our programming is in mono, we maintain an AM Stereo generator in the program path. I was under the assumption that we were required to do so. George Butch Radio Unica From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 08 20:32:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82832 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 03:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 03:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 03:32:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 03:32:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 03:32:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kmox back in stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 635 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If they are still running I Love Jazz you will know for sure if > they are in stereo or not. 1120 KMOX was also the last station on which I ever heard a baseball game with the crowd noise in STEREO. They would always broadcast the Cardinals home games in Stereo. But now, picking up KMOX is going to be difficult for me because for the past few years, all I've gotten on 1120 kHz at night is WPRX, a Spanish music station from Bristol, CT, which I think may be "accidentally" leaving their 1000-watt non-directional daytime signal on at night, instead of switching to their licensed 500-watt directional nighttime signal. From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Oct 09 03:23:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51287 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 10:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 10:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 10:23:43 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 06:25:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c38e4f$698facd0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> To: Subject: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 06:23:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want all to know I have made some very dramatic improvements in the Alfredo Lite transmitters. I have made circuit changes to now allow for 150% modulation, and to allow use of low line-level inputs. The change is incredible. No more "rushing" during quiet passages! Anyone that has one can make the easy changes if you can solder. If not, retrofit will be done N/C by me, if you mail it to me. I will post pix later of the mods. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robd@wi.rr.com Thu Oct 09 05:51:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: robd@wi.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72031 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 12:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 12:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 12:51:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 12:51:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:51:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disneys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 118 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "robd53154" X-Originating-IP: 69.11.237.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81604182 X-Yahoo-Profile: robd53154 Radio disney in the Milwaukee market on 164 is NOT in am stereo although they were until about 4 weeks ago RD From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 06:07:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23784 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 13:07:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 13:07:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 13:07:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20031009130737.69639.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 06:07:37 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 06:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WJR Detroit in Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin T wrote: "1120 KMOX was also the last station on which I ever heard a baseball game with the crowd noise in STEREO. They would always broadcast the Cardinals home games in Stereo." The same is true for WJR Detroit - they broadcast the Tiger home games in stereo (and sometimes the games from Cleveland) but they lost the rights to broadcast to another station (mono) as they didn't feel paying $42 million dollars wasn't a good price for the 2nd worst team ever. Last Saturday, WJR did broadcast a football game in stereo though, and it sounded great - as usual! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Thu Oct 09 08:20:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56589 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 15:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 15:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 15:20:40 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c38e79$8da69f00$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Disneys Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:25:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I tried tuning them in last night and noticed no stereo. Wonder what's up? I thought maybe there wasn't enough signal at first. I wonder who to even ask about turning it back on. Maybe I'll try asking the WLS engineer who posts on bnet. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "robd53154" > > Radio disney in the Milwaukee market on 164 is NOT in am stereo > although they were until about 4 weeks ago From tomray@wor710.com Thu Oct 09 10:09:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64705 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 17:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 17:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 17:09:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 17:09:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:09:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR-HD Radio in Philly Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1825 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > But remember that with hybrid IBOC, when listeners tune in an IBOC > station (AM or FM), they're going to hear the *analog* signal for the > first few seconds, before the digital part can buffer up and start > playing. > > So, regardless of how clean the digital reception may be, if people > hear noise or static when they tune in a station, they'll just hit the > seek button again, or switch to a different preset, just like they do > now. However, those people who have put XM or Sirius in their cars usually wait once they hit a dead spot (or they know where the dead spots are if they drive a particular route frequently), as they know that they will soon come out of a signal shadow area. > Thus, as long as it remains a hybrid analog/digital system, IBOC will > continue to be limited by the effectiveness of each station's ANALOG > signal. And since IBOC degrades the quality of an AM station's analog > signal, then listener perceptions are going to be degraded as well... > so what good is it? Once those listeners know what to expect, this problem will go away. And on most AM radios, a listener will not percieve a degraded AM signal....it has already been degraded by the receiver manufacturer. > Try listening to 880 WCBS in Philly, where 860 WWDB is pumping out > their IBOC sidebands up to 875 kHz, and then get back to me.... Point is moot. WCBS is not licensed to cover Philly, nor is their signal directed in the direction of Philly. While someone in the Philly area may be interested in NY news, I would think, particularly if there were something major news-wise going on, they would tune to a local station rather than trying to pick up a transmitter from 100+ miles away. TR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 10:21:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82725 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 17:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 17:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 17:21:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 17:21:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:21:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR-HD Radio in Philly Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1198 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Point is moot. WCBS is not licensed to cover Philly, nor is their > signal directed in the direction of Philly. While someone in the > Philly area may be interested in NY news, I would think, > particularly if there were something major news-wise going on, they > would tune to a local station rather than trying to pick up a > transmitter from 100+ miles away. 880 WCBS delivers a local-quality signal into the Philadelphia area; this is a full 50,000-watt non-directional Class I-A signal you're talking about, not some Class D pea-shooter! A lot of people commute between the Philly area and the NYC area, so they naturally tune into WCBS for NYC-oriented news, traffic, and weather -- not to mention their broadcasts of Yankee games. A better example is 660 WFAN. Philly's WPHT 1210 AM Stereo just dropped Imus, so listeners are tuning in WFAN to hear his show. Also, a surprisingly high number of listeners prefer WFAN's sports programming over that of local Philly sports station 610 WIP. So if 50,000-watt Philly area Radio Disney station 640 WWJZ started broadcasting IBOC and spreading hash on top of WFAN, I don't think listeners would be all that happy about it! From tomray@wor710.com Thu Oct 09 10:27:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13786 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 17:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 17:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 17:27:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 17:27:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:27:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4360 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray The AM stereo exciter and circuitry itself did not improve the mono signal. It was the attention now paid to the transmitter tuning, the modulator bandwidth, and the fact that most stations took care of antenna issues that normally would not be noticed in mono operation.....but would seriously degrade stereo performance. If you make the stereo work well, the mono would naturally follow suit. As an example, if you tune up a Continental 317C-2 transmitter according to the Continental manual, it appears that you are doing good mono. However, if you attempt stereo, you will most likely find that the stereo performance is dreadful. If you now go back and retune the intergrid tuning, and the carrier plate and peak plate tuning, you find that the indications on the transmitter change very little, meaning you have a lot of play in the tuning when following the manual. But you will see drastic changes in stereo performance. I used to quick-tune WTIC's main transmitter by connecting a scope to the left and right channel outputs of the modulation monitor, using a lisajous pattern, and then putting a patch cord in to generate a mono L+R signal to the transmitter, and you would need to shut off the pilot. The pattern as shown on the scope should be a straight line from the lower left corner to the upper right corner of the screen. If the transmitter were not quite on tune, this line would curve at the top or bottom (or show a bump in the middle if the peak tube bias were not quite correct). Adjusting the tuning controls and possibly the peak tube bias made the line straight. This resulted in great stereo performance, while making the mono sound wonderful......but no indications on the transmitter changed. I prefer using an AM stereo mod monitor for tube transmitter tuneup if I can't take the station off the air for any length of time. Intermodulation distortion measurements and total harmonic distortion measurements are the correct way to tune if you have the luxury of being able to take the station down. Dip the IM distortion and the harmonic distortion will go way down. If you have a funky antenna, no matter what you do, the IM won't come down to a level acceptable for AM stereo performance. This could be proved by operating in stereo into the dummy load. If the stereo performance would degrade drastically once the transmitter were put on the air, the antenna would need work. Many stations have done this work (don't forget.....if a station had gone on in the 40's or 50's, the idea was to generate the directional pattern and pass RF....little attention was paid to the audio bandwidth of the system). Basically, if you can do good mono, chances are you can do good stereo. If your mono is marginal, the stereo simply will not perform well. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M S" wrote: > Someone sent me this a while ago. I don't know if it is wishful > thinking but it would be worthwhile for AM's to know about if it is > true. > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > "Seems like I heard that running in AM stereo, even for stations with > mono programming, actually cleaned up some kind of minor distortion > even when played on mono AM radios. Was this just sales hype by > manufacturers of AM stereo generators, or does it really help clean > up any AM signal?" > > I have been involved in installing AM stereo on several stations, one > being all news KFWB in Los Angeles. At that time KFWB was owned by > Westinghouse and corporate came up with the dictate that everyone > should be stereo. At first I thought that this was a huge waste of > money for an all news AM. > > However the result of having to wide band the antenna and clean up > the STL and the transmitter to enable AM stereo really made an > impressive difference to the on air sound. > > The biggest improvement came with the audio filter that was in the > stereo generator to limit pass band audio to 10khz. This eliminated > all sorts of harmonics and out of band trash that were causing alot > of IM grunge in the transmitter. > > The bottom line is AM stereo by itself does not clean up the audio, > what you have to do to enable AM stereo and the filters required, > make a vast improvement in the on air signal. From bjackson@indyradio.com Thu Oct 09 10:55:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74520 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 17:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 17:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 17:55:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 17:55:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:55:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disneys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 495 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.218.40.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "robd53154" wrote: > > > > > > Radio disney in the Milwaukee market on 164 is NOT in am stereo > although they were until about 4 weeks ago > > RD I was going to post something on here about that...A couple of days ago 1640 was booming into Indy. It was coming in so good that it was covering up KCJJ! But there was no stereo. Anyone know what's going on, or how to e-mail their engineer? - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 10:58:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52715 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 17:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 17:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 17:58:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 17:58:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:58:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR-HD Radio in Philly Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2089 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics BTW, more comments from a NAB attendee, as posted on the www.radio-info.com message boards: "If IBOC spreads across the AM band, the entire band will sound like the Soviet-era white noise jammers anyway and the interference will make analog AM listening intolerable in both mono and stereo. WWDB was doing a great job of trashing WCBS during the NAB show in Philly this week. And I was listening to WCBS on a stock radio in a Dodge Neon." Also: "On my way to the NAB Radio Show today, I tuned in WCBS on a stock radio in a Dodge Neon. The IBOC hash from WWDB was quite noticeable and very annoying even in eastern Burlington County, approximately 40 miles from Philadelphia. If you listen to WOR during the day, you will notice the constricted, telephone-type audio in the analog channel and a broadband digital hiss extending over 20 kHz from the carrier. I can hear the WOR hiss over WPHE in Phoenixville (690 kHz). On a Superradio in wideband mode, the hiss would be noticeable on WOR itself. If you really want to evaluate AM IBOC, get yourself an AM IBOC receiver (when these become commercially available) and listen to the digital component during a thunderstorm or while driving under noisy power lines. Will the receiver blend to analog, giving you noise and static? Or will you get silence or a "skipping CD" effect, as the bit errors outrun the ability of the error correction to compensate? An interesting point brought up during an IBOC seminar is that the digital component will sharply degrade (with a "skipping CD" effect) while one drives through a pattern null of a directional station. Since most AM stations in this country use directional antennas, it will be interesting to see how viable this technology proves to be. I heard some AM IBOC demo receivers at the NAB show. The digital component does sound better than the usual analog AM, but at what cost? Can we afford to render the AM band unlistenable in congested areas (such as the Boston-Washington urban corridor) due to the broadband hash surrounding these IBOC stations?" From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Oct 09 12:18:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76858 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 19:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 19:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 19:18:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 19:18:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:18:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c38e4f$698facd0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1139 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.185 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I want all to know I have made some very dramatic improvements in > the Alfredo Lite transmitters. I have made circuit changes to now > allow for 150% modulation, and to allow use of low line-level > inputs. The change is incredible. No more "rushing" during quiet > passages! Anyone that has one can make the easy changes if you can > solder. If not, retrofit will be done N/C by me, if you mail it to > me. I will post pix later of the mods. > Chris How do these improvements eliminate the "rushing during quiet passages"? I can see where the increased modulation capability would result in a small improvement, assuming you are using an audio processor that can take advantage of it by generating an asymmetrical signal, but it would hardly seem to be "No more rushing during quiet passages"? How does allowing use of low line-level inputs improve the "rushing during quiet passages", is the improvement here an improvement in the noise level of the line input, that resulted in the "rushing during quiet passages" when using low level sources? John From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Oct 09 12:22:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11286 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 19:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 19:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 19:22:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2003 19:22:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:22:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2188 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.185 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > As an example, if you tune up a Continental 317C-2 transmitter > according to the Continental manual, it appears that you are doing > good mono. However, if you attempt stereo, you will most likely find > that the stereo performance is dreadful. If you now go back and > retune the intergrid tuning, and the carrier plate and peak plate > tuning, you find that the indications on the transmitter change very > little, meaning you have a lot of play in the tuning when following > the manual. But you will see drastic changes in stereo performance. > I used to quick-tune WTIC's main transmitter by connecting a scope > to the left and right channel outputs of the modulation monitor, > using a lisajous pattern, and then putting a patch cord in to > generate a mono L+R signal to the transmitter, and you would need to > shut off the pilot. It sounds like with a L+R signal, and the pilot off, you don't even need a stereo exciter to use this tuning trick, it sounds like all you need is a stereo monitor? If that is the case even a mono station could use this trick, if they had a stereo monitor. > The pattern as shown on the scope should be a straight line > from the lower left corner to the upper right corner of the screen. > If the transmitter were not quite on tune, this line would curve at > the top or bottom (or show a bump in the middle if the peak tube > bias were not quite correct). Adjusting the tuning controls and > possibly the peak tube bias made the line straight. This resulted > in great stereo performance, while making the mono sound > wonderful......but no indications on the transmitter changed. I assume the curve at the top or bottom of the lisajous pattern is due to phase modulation components demodulated by the stereo monitor? How does this method compare with using a detector that is sensitive to phase modulation, but not amplitude modulation, and simply tuning for minimum output from the phase detector? This would be similar to tuning for minimum L-R from the stereo monitor, when the transmitter is feed with a L+R signal. John From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Oct 09 12:58:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86393 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 19:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 19:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 19:58:00 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.224]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:00:04 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c38e9f$88d65d00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:57:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The signal to noise ratio has been dramatically increased. Before, the sound was always good, but there was not enough gain to the RF amp circuit. This sreated a sort of "rush" sound, especially during quieter passages of music, or standby time. John, as you do not seem to have one, you couldn't know the "before and after" difference that these simple mods made. The picture of the mod is now in the photos section of this group. Be sure to click on "Full Size" photo. Thanks, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: bta_50g To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 3:18 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 15:12:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68420 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 22:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 22:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80506.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 22:12:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20031009221237.40837.qmail@web80506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.91] by web80506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:12:37 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR-HD Radio in Philly To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > > Try listening to 880 WCBS in Philly, where 860 > WWDB is pumping out > > their IBOC sidebands up to 875 kHz, and then get > back to me.... > Point is moot. WCBS is not licensed to cover > Philly, nor is their > signal directed in the direction of Philly. While > someone in the > Philly area may be interested in NY news, I would > think, particularly > if there were something major news-wise going on, > they would tune to > a local station rather than trying to pick up a > transmitter from 100+ > miles away. > TR Nice try. BUT try this. The WSAI IBOC KILLS the Indiana 1520 in it's local area. When they were testing at night, it could be heard inside the station ON THEIR AIR MONITOR. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Thu Oct 09 16:51:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81013 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 23:51:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 23:51:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 23:51:49 -0000 Message-ID: <002101c38ec0$f76bad80$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <000e01c38e4f$698facd0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:56:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Next order of business would be some way of getting the full part-15 power limits out of it without an external amp (technically illegal.) I've got some friends who would seriously consider using these for their part-15 stations, but the range is too limited, and they don't want to use a booster amp in case the FCC stops by. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 5:23 AM Subject: {AMSF} Dramatic improvements in Alf lite > I want all to know I have made some very dramatic improvements in the Alfredo Lite transmitters. I have made circuit changes to now allow for 150% modulation, and to allow use of low line-level inputs. The change is incredible. No more "rushing" during quiet passages! Anyone that has one can make the easy changes if you can solder. If not, retrofit will be done N/C by me, if you mail it to me. I will post pix later of the mods. > Chris > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Oct 09 17:01:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95521 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 00:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 00:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 00:00:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 00:00:58 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32790 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 22:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2003 22:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 22:36:32 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.130.2624548c (4340) for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <130.2624548c.2cb73cde@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:36:14 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kmox back in stereo? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Oct 2003 00:00:57 -0000 KMOX dropped AM Stereo operations in April 2000...the only way they will ever go Stereo again, according to Paul Grundhauser, Director of Technical Operations, is if IBOC is adopted. They wanted a "louder" sound; KMOX's audio is somewhat distorted since they made the mistake of dropping AM Stereo. Don Wolff's "I Love Jazz" program has been in mono since 2000. Infinity should have moved him to KEZK 102.5 and dropped Delilah. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 17:09:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67810 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 00:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 00:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 00:09:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 00:08:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:08:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 503 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > How do these improvements eliminate the "rushing during quiet > passages"? I believe the implication is that the signal-to-noise ratio of the transmitter's audio circuitry has been improved. With radio, the ultimate S/N ratio you hear isn't only determined by the receiver; it's also determined by the transmitter. If you improve the transmitter's S/N ratio, you reduce the amount of background hiss and hum that the listener hears, even if their receiver and signal strength stay the same. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 17:16:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98666 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 00:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 00:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 00:16:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 00:15:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:15:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 480 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This would be similar to tuning for minimum L-R from the stereo > monitor, when the transmitter is feed with a L+R signal. Exactly -- but the point is, a mono station with a mono modulation monitor wouldn't be able to fine-tune their transmitter in this manner. Therefore, even mono stations can benefit by having an AM Stereo mod monitor on hand and using it to help adjust their transmitter and antenna system for the least amount of incidental phase modulation (IPM). From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Oct 09 17:33:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84557 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 00:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 00:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 00:33:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 00:33:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:33:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c38e9f$88d65d00$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 929 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > The signal to noise ratio has been dramatically increased. Before, > the sound was always good, but there was not enough gain to the RF > amp circuit. This sreated a sort of "rush" sound, especially during > quieter passages of music, or standby time. John, as you do not seem > to have one, you couldn't know the "before and after" difference > that these simple mods made. Sorry, I was just curious what the cause of the "rushing" sound was. > The picture of the mod is now in the photos section of this group. > Be sure to click on "Full Size" photo. Are you aware that the web surfing general public only has access to the "screen size" versions of the photos? As I understand it to have access to the "full size" photos you have to either be a group functionary, or pay extra for access to the "full size" versions of the photos. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Oct 09 17:44:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65710 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 00:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 00:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 00:44:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 00:44:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:44:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 413 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > How do these improvements eliminate the "rushing during quiet > > passages"? > > I believe the implication is that the signal-to-noise ratio of the > transmitter's audio circuitry has been improved. That's what it sounded like the original post was trying to say, but Chris said it was an RF gain problem in his response. John From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 18:36:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23995 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 01:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 01:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 01:36:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 01:36:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:36:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c38ec0$f76bad80$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1549 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Actually, wouldn't it be possible to come up with a way to use it as an AM Stereo exciter for another transmitter, like the Gizmo or Rangemaster or whatever, without actually using the transmit function of the AL? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Next order of business would be some way of getting the full part-15 power > limits out of it without an external amp (technically illegal.) I've got > some friends who would seriously consider using these for their part-15 > stations, but the range is too limited, and they don't want to use a booster > amp in case the FCC stops by. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Cuff" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 5:23 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Dramatic improvements in Alf lite > > > > I want all to know I have made some very dramatic improvements in the > Alfredo Lite transmitters. I have made circuit changes to now allow for 150% > modulation, and to allow use of low line-level inputs. The change is > incredible. No more "rushing" during quiet passages! Anyone that has one can > make the easy changes if you can solder. If not, retrofit will be done N/C > by me, if you mail it to me. I will post pix later of the mods. > > Chris > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Oct 09 19:46:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58158 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 02:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 02:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 02:46:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 02:46:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 02:46:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1095 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.98.252 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > This would be similar to tuning for minimum L-R from the stereo > > monitor, when the transmitter is feed with a L+R signal. > > Exactly -- but the point is, a mono station with a mono modulation > monitor wouldn't be able to fine-tune their transmitter in this > manner. Therefore, even mono stations can benefit by having an > AM Stereo mod monitor on hand and using it to help adjust their > transmitter and antenna system for the least amount of incidental > phase modulation (IPM). Not exactly, my ultimate point was that a mono station should be able to avail itself of this tuning trick without the necessity of owning a fancy stereo monitor. All that should be required is a suitable PM or FM receiver that can tune to the stations frequency. A resourceful engineer could build one of these out of a couple of ICs, and a handful of passive parts. Add an AM detector and you can display it on a scope. One question, how does an antenna system cause incidental phase modulation (IPM)? John From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 20:15:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28359 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 03:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 03:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41015.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.14) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 03:15:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20031010031540.82600.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.18.32] by web41015.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:15:40 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003201c38dfb$0dfe8e80$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Thank you for your posts. At WPEP we have a patch bay with modular plugs. Can 1 cord carry stereo audio, or must I use 2? I'm getting our programming switched around, but I have been making board adjustments. Jay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 20:44:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81724 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 03:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 03:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 03:44:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 03:44:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:44:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 653 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Are you aware that the web surfing general public only has access > to the "screen size" versions of the photos? As I understand it to > have access to the "full size" photos you have to either be a group > functionary, or pay extra for access to the "full size" versions of > the photos. I have no clue what you're talking about and how it has any relevance to what we're discussing here. For those who can't or don't want to click around on this group's web site to find Chris's photo, here is a direct link to it: http://tinyurl.com/qeld That should work for anybody who is a member of this group and is signed into their Yahoo account. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 20:47:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52240 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 03:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 03:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 03:47:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 03:47:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:47:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 447 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That's what it sounded like the original post was trying to say, > but Chris said it was an RF gain problem in his response. No, he said: "The signal to noise ratio has been dramatically increased. Before, the sound was always good, but there was not enough gain to the RF amp circuit." Perhaps saying "...gain _into_ the RF amp circuit" would've made it clearer that the gain problem was with the audio circuitry, not the RF circuitry. From brian60420@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 20:48:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97910 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 03:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 03:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80605.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.94) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 03:48:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20031010023417.52216.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.233.197.134] by web80605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:34:17 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chicago's "Real Oldies 1690" starts Monday 10/6 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: brian60420 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bad news. WRLL "Real Oldies" is "Real Mono". I listened on my SRF-42 and SRF-AX51V. Mono, mono, mono and a very weak signal. I can barely hear them 35 miles away. At 20 miles, the signal is almost listenable. Berwyn, IL. They have some awesome on-air talent. Legends of the industry. Too bad the station doesn't cover the whole Chicagoland area. brian "Kevin T." wrote: >BTW, I have word that the official launch of 1690 WRLL will be at >5:00 AM on Monday, following a "weekend of stunting". >5 AM is two hours before sunrise, so they might either play by the >rules and run the 1000-watt nighttime signal until sunrise, or they >might "fudge it" and flip to full 10,000-watt daytime power at 5 AM. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Oct 09 20:52:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66433 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 03:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 03:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 03:52:57 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9A3quNS031113 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:52:56 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9A3qug28391 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:52:56 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9A3qtx28371 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:52:55 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:52:54 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471FD@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:52:50 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 I had no option to view the "full size" version when logged into my Yahoo account either. It looks like Kevin must have a higher level of access on Yahoo Groups? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin T. [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 10 October 2003 1:45 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite > Are you aware that the web surfing general public only has access > to the "screen size" versions of the photos? As I understand it to > have access to the "full size" photos you have to either be a group > functionary, or pay extra for access to the "full size" versions of > the photos. I have no clue what you're talking about and how it has any relevance to what we're discussing here. For those who can't or don't want to click around on this group's web site to find Chris's photo, here is a direct link to it: http://tinyurl.com/qeld That should work for anybody who is a member of this group and is signed into their Yahoo account. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Oct 09 22:17:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80310 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 05:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 05:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 05:17:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 05:17:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:17:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471FD@aubwm206> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 360 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Trim, Matthew L" < matthew.trim@e...> wrote: > I had no option to view the "full size" version when logged into my > Yahoo account either. > > It looks like Kevin must have a higher level of access on Yahoo > Groups? It's Kevin's group, so he doesn't have a clue what a regular group member can and can't see. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Oct 09 22:23:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29350 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 05:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 05:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 05:23:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 05:23:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:23:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Chicago's "Real Oldies 1690" starts Monday 10/6 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031010023417.52216.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 945 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, brian60420 wrote: > Bad news. WRLL "Real Oldies" is "Real Mono". I listened on my SRF-42 > and SRF-AX51V. Mono, mono, mono and a very weak signal. I can barely > hear them 35 miles away. At 20 miles, the signal is almost > listenable. Berwyn, IL. They have some awesome on-air talent. > Legends of the industry. Too bad the station doesn't cover the whole > Chicagoland area. Well the music they are playing was meant for mono AM, so that's cool, but I too am about 35 miles from the transmitter, which is well into the fading zone for an expanded band station, making the signal just about useless at night. It's too bad they didn't locate the transmitter somewhat west of the north side of Berwyn, rather than South East of Berwyn, then they would cover the entire Chicagoland area better. They should have cut a deal with WJJG, and diplexed inot one of their towers. John From brian60420@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 22:25:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82934 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 05:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 05:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80602.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 05:25:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20031010030534.10046.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.233.197.134] by web80602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:05:34 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005b01c38dfd$42e43440$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: brian60420 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I guess we'll never know unless somebody tries it. By the way, here's another misinformed (clear channel) AM station that plays country music in glorious mono (?). KWKH 1130 in Shreveport, La replies: "We are mono. Not too many stereo AM receivers out there to show the need for stereo. Thanks for listening." Well, I have 5 receivers. AND every single premium sound system in every high-end & luxury CAR, SUV and MINIVAN sold in the last 10 years has 1. So, how many is that? I'd say that a 50,000 W music station has the MOST to gain from stereo and offering preferred, premium receivers to it's listeners. One more thing (and maybe it's off this topic) a new device in the PCS/Cellular world called the Nokia 3300 offers a phone, color display, full keyboard, MP3/AAC player and a STEREO FM radio. HMMMM, no mention of an AM mono receiver. brian Scott Todd wrote: >As Amy said, some stations did do that during the 80s, but it's high time >the concept was revived. Since these radios are made for the Japanese band >plan, if a station were to import a fair quantity, they might want to >inquire about modifications they could make without voiding the warranty >before selling them to make them conform to US standards. Great suggestion, >Brian. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian60420" > This brings up a point that I have been pondering for months. All you AM Stereo stations out there with websites should listen up. Why not take a page from the PCS/Cellular playbook, and resale AM Stereo receivers on your webpage? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 22:31:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44193 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 05:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 05:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 05:31:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 05:31:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:31:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1163 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Are you aware that the web surfing general public only has access > > to the "screen size" versions of the photos? As I understand it to > > have access to the "full size" photos you have to either be a group > > functionary, or pay extra for access to the "full size" versions of > > the photos. > > I have no clue what you're talking about and how it has any relevance > to what we're discussing here. For once, I would say Mr. Byrns is correct, here: Chris' pic of the new AL mods can't be viewed full-size unless you're the moderator of the group, or the uploader of the image. (In other words, it's not useful, the way the Photos section works, in this case. :( ) > For those who can't or don't want to click around on this group's web > site to find Chris's photo, here is a direct link to it: > > http://tinyurl.com/qeld > > That should work for anybody who is a member of this group and is > signed into their Yahoo account. Sorry, but it doesn't. I tried. Better off to move the pics to the Files section so everyone could access them. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bratina501@msn.com Thu Oct 09 23:25:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98186 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 06:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 06:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 06:25:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 06:25:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:25:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kmox back in stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 795 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > 1120 KMOX was also the last station on which I ever heard a baseball > game with the crowd noise in STEREO. They would always broadcast the > Cardinals home games in Stereo. > > But now, picking up KMOX is going to be difficult for me because for > the past few years, all I've gotten on 1120 kHz at night is WPRX, a > Spanish music station from Bristol, CT, which I think may be > "accidentally" leaving their 1000-watt non-directional daytime signal > on at night, instead of switching to their licensed 500-watt > directional nighttime signal. Even then you can still get KMOX by nulling out the station causing the interference I was able to DX them in Washington by nulling out a local 1120. From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Oct 09 23:59:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82003 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 06:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 06:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 06:59:21 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9A6xJNS016176 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:59:20 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9A6xJg03480 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:59:19 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9A6xJx03457 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:59:19 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:59:19 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471FE@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:59:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Or check them on ftp.amstereoradio.com MJR can make a pics folder if there isn't one already. -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mousie [mailto:amymousie@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 10 October 2003 3:31 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite For once, I would say Mr. Byrns is correct, here: Chris' pic of the new AL mods can't be viewed full-size unless you're the moderator of the group, or the uploader of the image. (In other words, it's not useful, the way the Photos section works, in this case. :( ) > For those who can't or don't want to click around on this group's web > site to find Chris's photo, here is a direct link to it: > > http://tinyurl.com/qeld > > That should work for anybody who is a member of this group and is > signed into their Yahoo account. Sorry, but it doesn't. I tried. Better off to move the pics to the Files section so everyone could access them. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 10 00:26:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93305 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 07:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 07:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 07:26:49 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.134]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:28:55 -0400 Message-ID: <005201c38eff$c31d7c40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:26:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I had no idea that the general subscribers could not view the picture in full size without paying money..... but that figures, as Yahoo wants to get as much possible money from it's users- as well as all that great advertising that we all love so much. Anyway, for anyone interested, I would be happy to send by email full size pix of the current new mods. As for using this as a normal exciter for an existing transmitter, it can't be done, as a normal exciter puts out about 5 watts. Also, Kevin is correct- I was trying to say the audio gain TO the RF stage is now improved. The receiver is now dead quiet when no signal is present. As well, a normal level line input can be used - before, I was recommending that people use the headhone output to boost the input gain to get the best possible output. It is now possible to drive it into distortion, so the gain controls have to be backed off. Chris From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 10 00:29:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12747 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 07:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 07:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 07:29:53 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.134]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:31:58 -0400 Message-ID: <005f01c38f00$30a81680$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F471FE@aubwm206> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:29:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Sorry all- I did not realize that as a moderator, I was the only one besides Kevin that could view the full size pic. CC ----- Original Message ----- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 01:36:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60834 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 08:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 08:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 08:36:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 08:36:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:36:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chicago's "Real Oldies 1690" starts Monday 10/6 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 391 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It's too bad they didn't locate the transmitter somewhat west of > the north side of Berwyn, rather than South East of Berwyn, then > they would cover the entire Chicagoland area better. They should > have cut a deal with WJJG, and diplexed inot one of their towers. Actually, 1690 WRLL *is* diplexing with another station -- co-owned 1390 WGCI, on one of WGCI's four 199-foot towers. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 01:39:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73408 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 08:39:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 08:39:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 08:39:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 08:39:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:39:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 438 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > For once, I would say Mr. Byrns is correct, here: Chris' pic of the > new AL mods can't be viewed full-size unless you're the moderator > of the group, or the uploader of the image. I could swear that in the past, I was able to access full-size photos on other groups, in which I was neither the moderator nor uploader. Perhaps this is one of the features that Yahoo has so graciously "de-contented" from their free services.... From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Oct 10 01:43:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67131 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 08:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 08:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 08:43:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 08:43:02 -0000 Date: 10 Oct 2003 08:43:00 -0000 Message-ID: <1065775380.65561.39287.w88@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /stations/alfmod2.jpg Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Modification to the "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter for improved audio quality You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/stations/alfmod2.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 01:48:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18408 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 08:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 08:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 08:48:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 08:48:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:48:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chicago's 1690 WRLL Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 595 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Actually, 1690 WRLL *is* diplexing with another station -- co-owned > 1390 WGCI, on one of WGCI's four 199-foot towers. Also... this is just speculation, but based on all the reports of poor signal coverage, I'd say that WRLL is still running on low power, probably 1000 watts or less, perhaps to help get the diplexing arrangement fine-tuned before they crank it up to the full 10,000 watts. WRLL is still very much a work in progress, so hopefully in addition to a full-power, full-coverage signal, we'll see them begin to broadcast in AM Stereo as well, as they are obligated to. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 02:00:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72560 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 09:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 09:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 09:00:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 09:00:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:00:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 610 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.244.74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > For once, I would say Mr. Byrns is correct, here: Chris' pic of the > > new AL mods can't be viewed full-size unless you're the moderator > > of the group, or the uploader of the image. > > I could swear that in the past, I was able to access full-size photos > on other groups, in which I was neither the moderator nor uploader. A year or two ago, this was true, but not anymore. :( > Perhaps this is one of the features that Yahoo has so graciously > "de-contented" from their free services.... Yes. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 08:32:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91859 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 15:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 15:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 15:32:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20031010151518.59742.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.74] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:15:18 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chicago's 1690 WRLL To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > Actually, 1690 WRLL *is* diplexing with another > station -- co-owned > > 1390 WGCI, on one of WGCI's four 199-foot towers. > > Also... this is just speculation, but based on all > the reports of > poor signal coverage, I'd say that WRLL is still > running on low > power, probably 1000 watts or less, perhaps to help > get the diplexing > arrangement fine-tuned before they crank it up to > the full 10,000 > watts. The 1630 In Augusta doesn't really get out very well for their 10 KW. The 1KW is good for only about 10 to 15 miles at night, that is, if there is NO skywave. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From bjackson@indyradio.com Fri Oct 10 09:10:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97325 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 16:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 16:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 16:10:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 16:10:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:10:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Chicago's 1690 WRLL Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031010151518.59742.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 777 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 64.218.40.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > The 1630 In Augusta doesn't really get out very well > for their 10 KW. The 1KW is good for only about 10 to > 15 miles at night, that is, if there is NO skywave. > > Powell > > > > ===== > powell@c... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw Now, here in Indianapolis, I *have* been able to get the new 1690 at night, but not during the day. My stereo light comes on, but I think it's falsing from the CNN 1690 in VA which is fighting to be heard in the background. Too bad I probably won't be able to check up on the Chicago 1690 much longer...Looks like in 2 weeks I'll be moving to Alabama for a new gig...Any good C-Quam down there???? - Brad Jackson - Susquehanna, Indianapolis From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Oct 10 09:34:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4500 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 16:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 16:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 16:34:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 16:34:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:34:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chicago's 1690 WRLL Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1053 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.109 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Actually, 1690 WRLL *is* diplexing with another station -- co- > > owned 1390 WGCI, on one of WGCI's four 199-foot towers. > > Also... this is just speculation, but based on all the reports of > poor signal coverage, I'd say that WRLL is still running on low > power, probably 1000 watts or less, perhaps to help get the > diplexing arrangement fine-tuned before they crank it up to the full > 10,000 watts. Actually, if WRLL is running 1 kW at night, I suspect that they are running the full 10 kW during the day, because the signal is much stronger during the daylight hours, although I am getting a strong heterodyne from somewhere during the day, but not at night. The heterodyne seems lower in frequency than 10 kHz. The problem at night isn't the reduced signal strength, but is the serious fading due to the strong skywave at 35 miles. Interestingly at my location I can't hear WGCI at all, I guess I must be just off the edge of their "beam". John From jim@burgan.net Fri Oct 10 09:50:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75435 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 16:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 16:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-1.iquest.net) (206.246.180.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 16:50:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 91614 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 16:51:27 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-1.iquest.net with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 16:51:27 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-235.iquest.net [209.43.58.235]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with SMTP id APR20882; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:50:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002001c38f4e$9effa140$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR-HD Radio in Philly Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:50:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > > Try listening to 880 WCBS in Philly, where 860 WWDB is pumping out > > their IBOC sidebands up to 875 kHz, and then get back to me.... > > Point is moot. WCBS is not licensed to cover Philly, nor is their > signal directed in the direction of Philly. While someone in the > Philly area may be interested in NY news, I would think, particularly > if there were something major news-wise going on, they would tune to > a local station rather than trying to pick up a transmitter from 100+ > miles away. WCBS is also not licensed to Hackensack, but both Hackensack and Philadelphia are within the WCBS protected nigh-time contour. That's the problem with MW IBOC. Many stations have their nighttime coverage protected (and protection is well beyond their city of license) and IBOC is killing that protection. If you look at the Philly ARB's, you'll find that WABC, WOR and WCBS frequently show up in the book. We've talked about this at length, but 25 miles from my home is a station on 1520 kHz... WKWH (1KW D/250 watts N/DA2) Shelbyville Indiana. They are 70 miles west on I-74 from Cincinnati. When WSAI (1530 KW U/DAN) is testing IBOC they clobber WKWH both day and night, but at night, when WSAI is testing IBOC.. the 'hash" can be heard on the modulation monitor at the WKWH studios), and it makes WKWH unlistenable at my house. Since WKWH is one of the few AM stations left paying music (60's 70's oldies), I kind of enjoy listening but IBOC infests their signal, day or night at my house. If IBOC is approved, stations such as WKWH might as well pull the plug and they signal will be rendered useless. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 10:12:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15706 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 17:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 17:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 17:12:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 17:12:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:12:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR-HD Radio in Philly Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001c38f4e$9effa140$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 592 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I kind of enjoy listening but IBOC infests their signal, day or > night at my house. If IBOC is approved, stations such as WKWH might > as well pull the plug and they signal will be rendered useless. The circumstance of high-power IBOC stations causing interference to smaller adjacent stations has been well-documented by none other than Clear Channel's Senior VP of Engineering. In this folder, look for "cc-iboc.pdf": http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/ In that case, it documents the interference caused by 1500 WTOP's IBOC tests upon neighboring 1490 WARK. From spt87a@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 14:08:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spt87a@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33865 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 21:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 21:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 21:08:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 21:08:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:08:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR-HD Radio in Philly Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1010 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "spt87a" X-Originating-IP: 204.110.135.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=160273779 X-Yahoo-Profile: spt87a --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I kind of enjoy listening but IBOC infests their signal, day or > > night at my house. If IBOC is approved, stations such as WKWH might > > as well pull the plug and they signal will be rendered useless. > I am C-Quam fan and have reservations about IBOC, but just to play devil's advocate for a moment.... What is the impact when comparing two adjacent stations both running IBOC? Is WKWH-HD 1520 groundwave crystal clear and then I can dial to crystal clear WSAI-HD 1530 coming in from skywave? If IBOC should prove a success, there will be a point at which IBOC receivers outnumber analog receivers and this problem largely goes away. Maybe there should be a 10 year phase in period during which IBOC is allowed during the day only and then is allowed 24hrs to give receivers time to build in numbers. Is analyzing IBOC interference to adjacent analog only channels an apples to oranges comparison? - Scott From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 15:20:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91227 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 22:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2003 22:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 22:20:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2003 22:20:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:20:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR-HD Radio in Philly Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 627 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is analyzing IBOC interference to adjacent analog only channels an > apples to oranges comparison? No, because with its current design, IBOC "falls back" to analog mode whenver the IBOC digital carriers aren't strong or clear enough to be decoded properly. Therefore, if the analog signal you hear is being subjected to severe interference, then an IBOC signal in the same situation would likely produce identical results, because at a certain point, the IBOC receiver will revert to analog mode anyway -- just like a color TV set reverts to a black & white picture when the signal falls below a certain strength. From stodd@vippn.com Fri Oct 10 17:35:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15533 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 00:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 00:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 00:35:29 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c38f90$3c186480$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:40:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Which might explain why a lot of this equipment stayed in the racks even after the stereo was turned off. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Therefore, even mono stations can benefit by having an > AM Stereo mod monitor on hand and using it to help adjust their > transmitter and antenna system for the least amount of incidental > phase modulation (IPM). > From stodd@vippn.com Fri Oct 10 17:53:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13178 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 00:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 00:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 00:53:36 -0000 Message-ID: <002401c38f92$c4705840$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031010031540.82600.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:58:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude What do the ends of the cords look like? If it's only a pair of tip and sleeve, it's a mono cord. If it's a pair of TRS-type, then it's stereo. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > Thank you for your posts. At WPEP we have a > patch bay with modular plugs. Can 1 cord carry > stereo audio, or must I use 2? From stodd@vippn.com Fri Oct 10 18:19:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8288 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 01:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 01:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 01:19:05 -0000 Message-ID: <007d01c38f96$4e13e960$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:18:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude In its current form, no, but I don't see why it could be made to. You'd take the signal going into the input of the last NE602 chip and amplify that to about 5 watts of power. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > Actually, wouldn't it be possible to come up with a way to use it as > an AM Stereo exciter for another transmitter, like the Gizmo or > Rangemaster or whatever, without actually using the transmit function > of the AL? From stodd@vippn.com Fri Oct 10 18:19:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12733 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 01:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 01:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 01:19:07 -0000 Message-ID: <007e01c38f96$502b7ec0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chicago's 1690 WRLL Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:22:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think the Crawford stations in Birmingham still have stereo. Can't remember all their freqs. at the moment, but seems to me there was one on 860. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "bradleyj923" > Too bad I probably won't be able to check up on the Chicago 1690 much > longer...Looks like in 2 weeks I'll be moving to Alabama for a new > gig...Any good C-Quam down there???? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 18:48:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59796 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 01:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 01:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 01:48:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2003 01:48:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:48:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 920 CKNX / 900 CHML Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 779 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Right now, on my Sony tuner here in NJ, I am picking up "Country 920" CKNX from Wingham, Ontario... unfortunately, they're not Stereo, but for a signal that's supposed to be only 1000 watts at night, they are coming in surprisingly well using only a standard non-tuned loop antenna. Perhaps they're running at their 10,000-watt daytime power? Also, lately I've been getting a steady AM Stereo indication from Hamilton's 900 CHML... but this is on a multi-system Sony tuner, so I don't know if it's locking onto Magnavox, Kahn, or Harris mode, instead of C-Quam mode. But it is very steady -- whenever CHML's signal is there, it always pops into AM Stereo mode, and doesn't show any obvious signs of "falsing". Is anybody else getting an AM Stereo pilot from CHML? From stodd@vippn.com Fri Oct 10 18:54:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45170 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 01:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 01:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 01:54:41 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c38f9b$4b30d460$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <007e01c38f96$502b7ec0$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chicago's 1690 WRLL Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:59:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Speaking of the Chicago station, I can also confirm it's mono. Booming into mid-MN tonight. ST From stodd@vippn.com Fri Oct 10 19:21:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18856 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 02:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 02:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 02:21:10 -0000 Message-ID: <002c01c38f9e$ff0f3fa0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <005201c38eff$c31d7c40$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:25:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Chris- if I sent you a few bucks for reimbursement, could you mail me the parts so I can convert mine? Just put in an order for parts but too late to get these. Plus I don't usually stock resistors that small. I'll also need a 56pf cap to complete my other AMS transmitter. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > As well, a normal level line input can be used - before, I was recommending > that people use the headhone output to boost the input gain to get the best > possible output. It is now possible to drive it into distortion, so the gain > controls have to be backed off. > Chris From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 19:34:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65357 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 02:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 02:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 02:34:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2003 02:34:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:34:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007d01c38f96$4e13e960$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1029 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key ok.... but what's this about the 5 watts? Wouldn't 100 milliwatts with a decent ground system be sufficient to cover the area in the linked map? http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/pics1/part15stationcoverage-MtHelixArea-map2.jpg blue line is fringe signal on portable, purple line is fair signal, red line is clear signal. Or if I can't get that, I suppose I could settle for... http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/pics1/part15stationcoverage-MtHelixArea.jpg --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > In its current form, no, but I don't see why it could be made to. You'd > take the signal going into the input of the last NE602 chip and amplify that > to about 5 watts of power. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > > Actually, wouldn't it be possible to come up with a way to use it as > > an AM Stereo exciter for another transmitter, like the Gizmo or > > Rangemaster or whatever, without actually using the transmit function > > of the AL? From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 19:58:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1403 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 02:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 02:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41009.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 02:58:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20031011025855.50067.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.16.204] by web41009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:58:55 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002401c38f92$c4705840$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio It looks like an ISDN cord plug. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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From stodd@vippn.com Fri Oct 10 20:27:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58044 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 03:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 03:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 03:27:32 -0000 Message-ID: <003e01c38fa8$45109c20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:32:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you're talking about a full fledged broadcast transmitter, then it would require 1-5W. Nobody has ever tried to use it to feed another part 15 transmitter, but there's no reason it couldn't work. Ironing out the details to make it do so might take a bit of engineering. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > > Wouldn't 100 milliwatts with a decent ground system be sufficient to > cover the area in the linked map? > > http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/pics1/part15stationcoverage-MtHelixArea-map2.jpg > > blue line is fringe signal on portable, purple line is fair signal, > red line is clear signal. > > Or if I can't get that, I suppose I could settle for... > http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/pics1/part15stationcoverage-MtHelixArea.jpg From stodd@vippn.com Fri Oct 10 20:29:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85916 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 03:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 03:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 03:29:10 -0000 Message-ID: <004401c38fa8$7fe508e0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031011025855.50067.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:33:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude RJ-45s? No idea then. We don't have a single patch bay of any kind in the whole building where I am. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > It looks like an ISDN cord plug. From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Oct 10 21:11:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1779 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 04:11:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 04:11:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 04:11:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2003 04:11:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 04:11:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Crawford/Birmingham AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007e01c38f96$502b7ec0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 420 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > I think the Crawford stations in Birmingham still have stereo. Can't > remember all their freqs. at the moment, but seems to me there was one on > 860. Actually, 850...It's WDJC...There was a shuffling of calls some time ago over there, with the WYDE calls moving from their original home of 850, over to 1260 (the former WLGS). Tony Simon From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 21:44:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90339 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 04:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 04:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 04:44:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20031011044428.75814.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:44:28 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 900 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kev wrote: "Is anybody else getting an AM Stereo pilot from CHML?" Yep, when I can null out WFRO Fremont (now running ESPN sports crap after dropping classic country :( you can get the Canadian station in cquam stereo. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 21:46:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46007 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 04:46:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 04:46:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 04:46:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20031011044640.71103.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:46:40 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Let's Bug the FCC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio May I suggest that we pester the FCC to forget about IBOC/HD broadcasting at night, and then require any station broadcasting IBOC during the day must broadcast in CQuam (or CAM-D) at night, therefore maintaining stereo 24/7 without the wash-out mess WSAI has proven at night? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 23:32:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53819 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 06:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 06:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 06:32:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2003 06:32:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 06:32:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Let's Bug the FCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031011044640.71103.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 889 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > May I suggest that we pester the FCC to forget about IBOC/HD > broadcasting at night, and then require any station broadcasting > IBOC during the day must broadcast in CQuam (or CAM-D) at night, > therefore maintaining stereo 24/7 without the wash-out mess WSAI > has proven at night? That's a good idea in theory, but there are two reasons why it wouldn't work in reality: 1. IBOC causes horrible interference during the *daytime* as well, especially in crowded areas like the Northeast, and... 2. The folks at iBiquity would NEVER go for it; they want to make IBOC a completely proprietary system, so that they can have complete control over the manufacture and use of IBOC equipment and can rake in all the licensing fees from it. So, I'm sure they don't want to share any part of that scheme with Motorola, as they would if IBOC adopted use of C-Quam AM Stereo at night. From jim@burgan.net Fri Oct 10 23:46:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45394 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 06:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 06:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-4.iquest.net) (206.246.180.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 06:46:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 3572 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 06:46:09 -0000 Received: from mas.iquest.net (206.246.180.19) by mx-4.iquest.net with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 06:46:09 -0000 Received: from jimspc (iq-col-as001-180.iquest.net [209.43.58.180]) by mas.iquest.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with SMTP id APT23456; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:46:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003301c38fc3$5b5074e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chicago's 1690 WRLL Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:46:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jim Burgan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36730433 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 , on one of WGCI's four 199-foot towers. > > Also... this is just speculation, but based on all the reports of > poor signal coverage, I'd say that WRLL is still running on low > power, probably 1000 watts or less, perhaps to help get the diplexing > arrangement fine-tuned before they crank it up to the full 10,000 > watts. > > WRLL is still very much a work in progress, so hopefully in addition > to a full-power, full-coverage signal, we'll see them begin to > broadcast in AM Stereo as well, as they are obligated to. Agreed... They must not be up to their full 10K days because I could pick up the South Bend EB station, WDND, on 1620 with relative ease (although I haven't tried lately but it has been a regular ground-wave catch here in the past). However, I can't even catch a sign of WRLL. I know those EB stations don't have the best ground wave coverage, but their skywave coverage is historically exceptional, yet I'm not getting so much as a peep on 1690 from here is South Central Indiana (35 miles south of Indianapolis). I also know that we are in an area plagued with groundwave/skywave cancellation for the big-guns in Chicago (WGN, WBBM, WLS, WMVP etc.), yet you'd think I could hear , either day or night, but such is not the case. How does the station with the high-personality jocks sound to those of you near the windy city? From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Oct 11 00:54:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98782 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 07:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 07:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 07:54:58 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.199]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:57:06 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c38fcc$db99dca0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dramatic improvements in Alf lite Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:54:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 If all the users of these would follow the antenna recommendations that have been posted on this list over the past 2 years, you would find that you do not "need" any more power. I have no trouble at all receiving the signal from mine which is at 1250Khz, despite a local on 1240. I can get a clear signal from 1/2 to 3/4 mile away- well beyond the purpose of part 15 uses. The ground is probably more important than the antenna, and a real ground can be hard to find, in these days of PVC plumbing. A cold water pipe "used" to be great. Now, a 6' ground rod, in moist soil is good in most cases. The antenna has GOT to be tuned. Any of the methods we have gone over will work- a hand wired coil, with a tuning cap across it; A ferrite rod from an old table radio in series with your antenna, sliding the ferrite in or out of the form till you hit reasonence,; A Select-a-tenna in series with the antenna, etc, etc. There is also carrier current- which Kevin has used and reports good results. CC From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Oct 11 06:22:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92034 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 13:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 13:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 13:22:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2003 13:22:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:22:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Chicago's 1690 WRLL Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c38fc3$5b5074e0$9802a8c0@jimspc> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 492 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.211 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > How does the station with the high-personality jocks sound to those > of you near the windy city? The music is fun to hear, I have only heard two of the "jocks" and I can't say the same about them. One was a "jock" I never heard of, he was great, presumably he was not one of the "high-personality" jocks. The "high-personality" jock I heard sounded way over the hill, and was hard for me to listen to. John From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Oct 11 06:52:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32887 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 13:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 13:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41011.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 13:52:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20031011135250.65857.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.36.146] by web41011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 06:52:50 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 06:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 900 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031011044428.75814.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Yes, I can receive a pilot on CHML. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Oct 11 07:06:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19278 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 14:06:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 14:06:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41012.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.11) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 14:06:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20031011140639.65533.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.36.146] by web41012.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 07:06:39 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 07:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004401c38fa8$7fe508e0$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Maybe I'll just take the thing out. I like to hardwire anyway, plus it would have had to have gotten pulled anyway. I'm going to look into your idea about sending stereo & receiving from our mod monitor. Thanks. Neal, I got your call. I'll try calling Tuesday. Thanks. Anyone else: the # is (508) 822-1570. I have mailbox 5, extention 23. Is Cat-5E good cable because You Do It Electronics in Needham, Ma. is selling it for $50.- for a 1,000-foot roll. 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat Oct 11 10:48:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80658 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 17:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 17:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 17:48:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2003 17:48:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:48:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Let's Bug the FCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031011044640.71103.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1521 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > May I suggest that we pester the FCC to forget about IBOC/HD broadcasting at > night, and then require any station broadcasting IBOC during the day must > broadcast in CQuam (or CAM-D) at night, therefore maintaining stereo 24/7 > without the wash-out mess WSAI has proven at night? I'd actually like to see the FCC give CAM-D a chance.. Personally, I think it's too late for C-QUAM...Well, we love it here, but as much as we can try, this group will never have the political power to raise it from the grave. IBOC has its faults...Sure, it's the soup of the day, but the static and the hash it's generating on AM and FM is being noticed, not just by us, but by others...I had someone the other day notice noise on an IBOC station, and this was a person who didn't know or care about IBOC, AM Stereo, or any of this stuff....And while I said the other day that I didn't notice any static on FM, while hitting "SEEK", my radio did stop on 100.1 the other day (first adjacent to IBOC WKIS 99.9), and 106.9 (first adjacent to IBOC WRMA 106.7). CAM-D looks appealing....If it works like it's being promised to work, it'll be great....It won't cause additional interference to existing radios, and it will promise 15khz frequency response...What's more, CAM-D will even be compatible with Sony multimode AM STEREO Radios!, and, if it uses the original pilot tone, Sansui and other multimode AM STEREO radios. Tony S./Miami From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Oct 11 12:05:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10516 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 19:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 19:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 19:05:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2003 19:04:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:04:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Let's Bug the FCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1793 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key What I'd like to see is a way to stand next to a TX on, say, 1070 AM, and listen to a station 300 miles away (daytime) on 1060 or 1080. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tony" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > May I suggest that we pester the FCC to forget about IBOC/HD > broadcasting at > > night, and then require any station broadcasting IBOC during the > day must > > broadcast in CQuam (or CAM-D) at night, therefore maintaining > stereo 24/7 > > without the wash-out mess WSAI has proven at night? > > > I'd actually like to see the FCC give CAM-D a chance.. > > Personally, I think it's too late for C-QUAM...Well, we love it here, > but as much as we can try, this group will never have the political > power to raise it from the grave. > > IBOC has its faults...Sure, it's the soup of the day, but the static > and the hash it's generating on AM and FM is being noticed, not just > by us, but by others...I had someone the other day notice noise on an > IBOC station, and this was a person who didn't know or care about > IBOC, AM Stereo, or any of this stuff....And while I said the other > day that I didn't notice any static on FM, while hitting "SEEK", my > radio did stop on 100.1 the other day (first adjacent to IBOC WKIS > 99.9), and 106.9 (first adjacent to IBOC WRMA 106.7). > > CAM-D looks appealing....If it works like it's being promised to > work, it'll be great....It won't cause additional interference to > existing radios, and it will promise 15khz frequency > response...What's more, CAM-D will even be compatible with Sony > multimode AM STEREO Radios!, and, if it uses the original pilot tone, > Sansui and other multimode AM STEREO radios. > > Tony S./Miami From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Oct 11 12:26:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42641 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 19:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 19:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 19:26:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20031011192645.94153.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.101.64.84] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:26:45 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chicago's 1690 WRLL To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How do you mean "Over the Hill" Are you talking about a terrestial feature? Michael bta_50g wrote: The "high-personality" jock I heard sounded way over the hill, and was hard for me to listen to. John --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From e92fmjamz@yahoo.com Sat Oct 11 12:34:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: e92fmjamz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90840 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2003 19:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2003 19:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14006.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.122) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2003 19:34:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20031011193418.4056.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.218.69.223] by web14006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:34:18 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chicagos 1690 WRLL To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ernest Jones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24963319 X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz I listened to wrll here in ne nc with a weak to poor signal --- alnairgrus@yahoo.com wrote: > How do you mean "Over the Hill" Are you talking about a terrestial feature? > Michael > > bta_50g wrote: > The "high-personality" jock I heard sounded way over the hill, and was > hard for me to listen to. > > John > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! 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Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From bratina501@msn.com Sat Oct 11 17:17:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54340 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 00:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 00:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 00:17:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2003 00:17:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:17:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kmox back in stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <130.2624548c.2cb73cde@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 745 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > KMOX dropped AM Stereo operations in April 2000...the only way they will ever > go Stereo again, according to Paul Grundhauser, Director of Technical > Operations, is if IBOC is adopted. They wanted a "louder" sound; KMOX's audio is > somewhat distorted since they made the mistake of dropping AM Stereo. Another station I know of with distorted audio is KXL 750 Portland thwy put out absolutly no treble at all and sound distorted even in wide bandwidth mode on my RadioShack 12-903 portable. > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Oct 11 18:47:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23092 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 01:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 01:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 01:47:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2003 01:47:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:47:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Chicago's 1690 WRLL Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031011192645.94153.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 753 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g No, I don't think there are any significant hills, or similar terrestrial features, between my location and that of the WRLL transmitter, I believe I am at a higher elevation than the WRLL transmitter and that it is basically down hill from here to there. What I meant is that I didn't think the "high-personality" jock was that great, so I assumed he had once been good, and hence was now as they say, "over the hill". John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross < alnairgrus@y...> wrote: > How do you mean "Over the Hill" Are you talking about a terrestial > feature? > Michael > > bta_50g wrote: > The "high-personality" jock I heard sounded way over the hill, and > was hard for me to listen to. > > John From jbyrns@rcn.com Sat Oct 11 18:55:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12599 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 01:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 01:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 01:55:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2003 01:55:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:55:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kmox back in stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 909 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > KMOX dropped AM Stereo operations in April 2000...the only way > > they will ever go Stereo again, according to Paul Grundhauser, > > Director of Technical Operations, is if IBOC is adopted. They > > wanted a "louder" sound; KMOX's audio is somewhat distorted since > > they made the mistake of dropping AM Stereo. > > Another station I know of with distorted audio is KXL 750 Portland > thwy put out absolutly no treble at all and sound distorted even in > wide bandwidth mode on my RadioShack 12-903 portable. Most AM radio stations sound more distorted in wide bandwidth mode than in narrow bandwidth mode, it's just the nature of the beast, that's just one of several reasons that people have historically preferred narrow bandwidth AM radios. John From stodd@vippn.com Sat Oct 11 19:29:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49609 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 02:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 02:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 02:29:19 -0000 Message-ID: <005f01c39069$4a0f7a40$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Let's Bug the FCC Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 21:17:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's like trying to see a Christmas tree bulb from a few miles away while standing next to a bulb used in a lighthouse. I don't think anyone's going to develop that anytime soon, nor would it be cost effective to produce. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > What I'd like to see is a way to stand next to a TX on, say, 1070 AM, > and listen to a station 300 miles away (daytime) on 1060 or 1080. > From stodd@vippn.com Sat Oct 11 19:29:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6438 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 02:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 02:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 02:29:24 -0000 Message-ID: <006101c39069$4c1646c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031011140639.65533.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 21:27:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It's great stuff as I use it in many places around my plant, though I'd be wary of bargain-priced wire. I've dealt with it before and the insulation can be hard to strip, be less flexible and more brittle. It can still likely meet spec electrically, which is good. Just so you know what you're getting into. Scott Todd PS- another good place for engineering info is the engineers' forum on www.broadcast.net. Please take the time to sign up and you can really get some questions answered. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > Is Cat-5E good cable because You Do It > Electronics in Needham, Ma. is selling it for > $50.- for a 1,000-foot roll. From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Oct 11 20:54:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95222 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 03:54:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 03:54:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 03:54:31 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031012035428.PVET23864.fed1mtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:54:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:56:31 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kmox back in stereo? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <108B5B68-FC68-11D7-A33C-0005021D3C76@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have never personally noticed that. I HAVE noticed when bad radios make stations sound distorted, such as on the Sansui receiver my brother used to have. Worst AM section I have EVER heard. It would seem that well-engineered stations should sound good on narrow or wideband receivers. On Saturday, October 11, 2003, at 06:55 PM, bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > > KMOX dropped AM Stereo operations in April 2000...the only way > > > they will ever go Stereo again, according to Paul Grundhauser, > > > Director of Technical Operations, is if IBOC is adopted. They > > > wanted a "louder" sound; KMOX's audio is somewhat distorted since > > > they made the mistake of dropping AM Stereo. > > > > Another station I know of with distorted audio is KXL 750 Portland > > thwy put out absolutly no treble at all and sound distorted even in > > wide bandwidth mode on my RadioShack 12-903 portable. > > Most AM radio stations sound more distorted in wide bandwidth mode > than in narrow bandwidth mode, it's just the nature of the beast, > that's just one of several reasons that people have historically > preferred narrow bandwidth AM radios. > > John > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Sat Oct 11 21:28:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31455 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 04:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 04:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 04:28:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2003 04:28:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:28:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Kmox back in stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <108B5B68-FC68-11D7-A33C-0005021D3C76@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 566 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I have never personally noticed that. I HAVE noticed when bad radios > make stations sound distorted, such as on the Sansui receiver my > brother used to have. Worst AM section I have EVER heard. > > It would seem that well-engineered stations should sound good on narrow > or wideband receivers. thats true, I know of a station owned by entercom communications in Longview that sounds FANTASTIC on wideband recievers. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Sat Oct 11 21:44:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72343 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 04:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 04:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 04:44:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2003 04:44:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:44:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disneys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 358 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "robd53154" wrote: > > > > > > Radio disney in the Milwaukee market on 164 is NOT in am stereo > although they were until about 4 weeks ago Odd that this would happen since I heard them in stereo a few months before while I was in Wisconson however I got interference from KCJJ every now and then. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 03:29:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45702 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 10:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 10:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 10:29:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20031012102901.84100.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 03:29:01 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 03:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Let's Bug the FCC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005f01c39069$4a0f7a40$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Scott Todd wrote: > That's like trying to see a Christmas tree bulb from > a few miles away while > standing next to a bulb used in a lighthouse. I > don't think anyone's going > to develop that anytime soon, nor would it be cost > effective to produce. > ST > > What I'd like to see is a way to stand next to a > TX on, say, 1070 AM, > > and listen to a station 300 miles away (daytime) > on 1060 or 1080. Sure you can. It's called PLATE OFF! Powell ( ducking!) ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Oct 12 07:33:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32622 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 14:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 14:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 14:33:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2003 14:33:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:33:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Let's Bug the FCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031012102901.84100.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 428 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.125 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < w4opw@y...> wrote: > > > What I'd like to see is a way to stand next to a > > TX on, say, 1070 AM, and listen to a station 300 > > miles away (daytime) on 1060 or 1080. > > > Sure you can. It's called PLATE OFF! That only works if the TX in question uses "plates", it won't work if the TX in question is for example a DX-10, or other of similar ilk. John From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 07:52:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63794 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 14:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 14:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 14:52:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20031012145216.73907.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 07:52:16 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 07:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Let's Bug the FCC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" < > w4opw@y...> wrote: > > > > > What I'd like to see is a way to stand next to a > > > TX on, say, 1070 AM, and listen to a station 300 > > > miles away (daytime) on 1060 or 1080. > > > > > > Sure you can. It's called PLATE OFF! > > That only works if the TX in question uses "plates", > it won't work if > the TX in question is for example a DX-10, or other > of similar ilk. > John Yes, oh humorless one..... ]:) Pressing on on a DX-10 gives you a soft and I assume the reverse. I would love to have heard the 500KW at WLW power up! Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Oct 12 10:47:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47511 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 17:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 17:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 17:47:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2003 17:47:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:47:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Let's Bug the FCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031012145216.73907.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 966 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.62 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < w4opw@y...> wrote: > > --- bta_50g wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > > III W4OPW" < > > w4opw@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > What I'd like to see is a way to stand next to a > > > > TX on, say, 1070 AM, and listen to a station 300 > > > > miles away (daytime) on 1060 or 1080. > > > > > > > > > Sure you can. It's called PLATE OFF! > > > > That only works if the TX in question uses "plates", > > it won't work if > > the TX in question is for example a DX-10, or other > > of similar ilk. > > > John > > Yes, oh humorless one..... ]:) > > Pressing on on a DX-10 gives you a soft and I > assume the reverse. I would love to have heard the > 500KW at WLW power up! There is a verbal description by an RCA sales guy, in an early issue of RCA Broadcast News, of powering up the WLW 500 kW rig, including I think some of the sounds. John From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Oct 12 10:50:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44100 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 17:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 17:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 17:50:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (d164-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.196]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h9CHoMt96853 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:50:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:50:19 -0700 Subject: Narrow bandwidth? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1065946338.739.52505.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: <8B7A2270-FCDC-11D7-8DD2-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla WHAT? I think you may be mistaken when you say most people like narrow AM sound. I am a DXer and only like narrow when I am DXing. Narrow bandwidth makes me fatigues after a while for general listening. Kevin Mesa, Arizona On Sunday, October 12, 2003, at 01:12 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Most AM radio stations sound more distorted in wide bandwidth mode > than in narrow bandwidth mode, it's just the nature of the beast, > that's just one of several reasons that people have historically > preferred narrow bandwidth AM radios. > > John > From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Oct 12 10:50:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61901 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 17:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 17:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 17:50:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2003 17:49:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:49:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1950s Australian AM Stereo System Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 450 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.62 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g While surfing the web I stumbled on this interesting article that discusses AM stereo broadcasting in Australia during the 1950s. The article can be found at this URL: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~cambie/Gallery2/SMB161Article.zip The schematics for several similar early AM Stereo capable receivers are available on another page, Gallery3, at this same web site. Does anyone here have one of these early Australian AM Stereo radios? John From bratina501@msn.com Sun Oct 12 13:33:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32803 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 20:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 20:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 20:33:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2003 20:33:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 20:33:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Narrow bandwidth? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8B7A2270-FCDC-11D7-8DD2-00050291D22F@fastq.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 471 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin wrote: > WHAT? > > I think you may be mistaken when you say most people like narrow AM > sound. I am a DXer and only like narrow when I am DXing. Narrow > bandwidth makes me fatigues after a while for general listening. > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona > I know, most stations sound better on wideband AM radios. In my aeria there are AM stations that sound BETTER than many FM stations on wideband AM recivers. From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Oct 12 13:45:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14870 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 20:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 20:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 20:45:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2003 20:45:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 20:45:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Narrow bandwidth? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1155 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" wrote: > I know, most stations sound better on wideband AM radios. In my > aeria there are AM stations that sound BETTER than many FM stations > on wideband AM recivers. If it wasn't for stupid NRSC, AM could, as a whole, sound better than FM....If I'm not mistaken, IBOC requires a 15khz bandwidth...Well, stupid, an ANALOG signal at 15khz bandwidth sounds pretty darn good in and of itself, so WHY NOT JUST TRANSMIT AN ANALOG 15KHZ SIGNAL INSTEAD OF A 15KHZ SIGNAL FILLED WITH DIGITAL SLOP? Some people like to take the very, very long way home. There was a station in Cypress Gardens, Fla., WHNR 1360...Was Mono, but I'm pretty sure they said "To Hades with NRSC", because when I heard them in 2000 and 2001, they had FM-like audio...They are the only station that I have been able to hear on my GE SR3 on "Wide" mode, all other stations are too narrow to be heard properly on "Wide" on my Superadio 3...Anyways, looks like someone complained because WHNR eventually put their NRSC filters back in, and now they sound like any ol' AM station...Pity. --Tony Simon From bratina501@msn.com Sun Oct 12 14:03:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68010 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 21:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 21:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 21:02:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2003 21:02:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:02:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Narrow bandwidth? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1588 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tony" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" > wrote: > > > I know, most stations sound better on wideband AM radios. In my > > aeria there are AM stations that sound BETTER than many FM stations > > on wideband AM recivers. > > If it wasn't for stupid NRSC, AM could, as a whole, sound better than > FM....If I'm not mistaken, IBOC requires a 15khz bandwidth...Well, > stupid, an ANALOG signal at 15khz bandwidth sounds pretty darn good > in and of itself, so WHY NOT JUST TRANSMIT AN ANALOG 15KHZ SIGNAL > INSTEAD OF A 15KHZ SIGNAL FILLED WITH DIGITAL SLOP? Some people like > to take the very, very long way home. > > There was a station in Cypress Gardens, Fla., WHNR 1360...Was Mono, > but I'm pretty sure they said "To Hades with NRSC", because when I > heard them in 2000 and 2001, they had FM-like audio...They are the > only station that I have been able to hear on my GE SR3 on "Wide" > mode, all other stations are too narrow to be heard properly > on "Wide" on my Superadio 3...Anyways, looks like someone complained > because WHNR eventually put their NRSC filters back in, and now they > sound like any ol' AM station...Pity. > > --Tony Simon I can agree about not having digital and analog signals transmitted on the same frequency at the same time especally in the case of AM. Luckily none of the AM stations in my aeira are planning to go digital otherwise when I tune to them on my SRF-42 all I will hear is noise instead of the analog signal. From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Oct 12 14:06:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24161 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 21:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 21:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 21:06:00 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.222]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:08:11 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c39104$870bcca0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Narrow bandwidth? Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:05:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Same with 1600 WWRL- they were hands down the best sounding station in NYC when they were wideband and in Stereo. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony To: Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 4:45 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Narrow bandwidth? > There was a station in Cypress Gardens, Fla., WHNR 1360...Was Mono, > but I'm pretty sure they said "To Hades with NRSC", because when I > heard them in 2000 and 2001, they had FM-like audio From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Oct 12 14:09:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32705 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 21:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 21:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 21:09:12 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.153.70.53]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20031012210931.HUBA1781.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:09:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c39105$15e132d0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Narrow bandwidth? Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:09:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony, There are more out there. I don't want to rat them out, but I know of at least 3 in the midwest, and a couple in Florida. I doubt anybody would turn them in, but they have amde a concious effort to NOT cut off audio at 10k. Juan WGNX --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" wrote: > I know, most stations sound better on wideband AM radios. In my > aeria there are AM stations that sound BETTER than many FM stations > on wideband AM recivers. If it wasn't for stupid NRSC, AM could, as a whole, sound better than FM....If I'm not mistaken, IBOC requires a 15khz bandwidth...Well, stupid, an ANALOG signal at 15khz bandwidth sounds pretty darn good in and of itself, so WHY NOT JUST TRANSMIT AN ANALOG 15KHZ SIGNAL INSTEAD OF A 15KHZ SIGNAL FILLED WITH DIGITAL SLOP? Some people like to take the very, very long way home. There was a station in Cypress Gardens, Fla., WHNR 1360...Was Mono, but I'm pretty sure they said "To Hades with NRSC", because when I heard them in 2000 and 2001, they had FM-like audio...They are the only station that I have been able to hear on my GE SR3 on "Wide" mode, all other stations are too narrow to be heard properly on "Wide" on my Superadio 3...Anyways, looks like someone complained because WHNR eventually put their NRSC filters back in, and now they sound like any ol' AM station...Pity. --Tony Simon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Oct 12 14:14:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25966 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 21:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 21:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 21:14:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2003 21:14:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:14:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Narrow bandwidth? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 536 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx > Luckily none of the AM stations in my aeira are planning to go > digital otherwise when I tune to them on my SRF-42 all I will hear > is noise instead of the analog signal. The digital noise is more pronounced on AM Stereo receivers than Mono receivers...IBOC WQAM on my SRF-A1 or SRF-A100 (whether "A" or "B" mode), and you hear a light "whizzing" noise on both channels....Switch the radio to Mono, and the noise is gone (well, some of it is still there, but not as much as there is with the radio in Stereo). --Tony Simon From bratina501@msn.com Sun Oct 12 14:15:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99293 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 21:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 21:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 21:15:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2003 21:15:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:15:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Narrow bandwidth? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003001c39104$870bcca0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 429 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Same with 1600 WWRL- they were hands down the best sounding station in NYC > when they were wideband and in Stereo. > Chris > ------------------- ----- KLOG 1490 is another station that is still in stereo and most likley in wideband. They are one of the best sounding AM stations I have ever heard. Also the first AM stereo station I heard in stereo. From oscar@globility.com Sun Oct 12 14:30:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oscar@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71015 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 21:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 21:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.echo-on.net) (204.138.111.140) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 21:30:52 -0000 Received: from mail.echo-on.net (perdition.echo-on.net [205.189.151.14]) by smtp3.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88407557B for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MTS_001 (ppp-RAS3-4-236.dialup.eol.ca [64.56.247.236]) by mail.echo-on.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980D63402A for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200310121730540171.00A222D6@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: <8B7A2270-FCDC-11D7-8DD2-00050291D22F@fastq.com> References: <8B7A2270-FCDC-11D7-8DD2-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:30:54 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Narrow bandwidth? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mr.M.S." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150302306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I think you'll agree John, the more natural the sound from any radio, the = less fatiguing it would be. And, while "narrow band' is the more feasible, = it's a far cry from natural. MS *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10/12/2003 at 10:50 AM kevin wrote: >WHAT? > >I think you may be mistaken when you say most people like narrow AM=20 >sound. I am a DXer and only like narrow when I am DXing. Narrow=20 >bandwidth makes me fatigues after a while for general listening. > >Kevin >Mesa, Arizona > >On Sunday, October 12, 2003, at 01:12 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 >wrote: > >> Most AM radio stations sound more distorted in wide bandwidth mode >> than in narrow bandwidth mode, it's just the nature of the beast, >> that's just one of several reasons that people have historically >> preferred narrow bandwidth AM radios. >> >> John >> > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Oct 12 15:19:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6112 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 22:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 22:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 22:19:36 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.105.3787f613 (25098) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <105.3787f613.2cbb2d6d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:19:25 EDT Subject: stereo pilots To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6024 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've noticed something on local IBOC station WKIS/99.9 Boca Raton/Miami...On some of my radios, the "Stereo" pilot light has a hard time coming on....It'll flicker on and off, but generally, it'll stay off. This leads me to another question, on one of my AM Stereo radios, I find when I tune in to a particular station, the pilot has a hard time staying on....It flickers on and off...Is this due to the fact that some stations have their pilots at stronger levels than others, and my radio needs the pilot to be at a certain strength for it to be on continuously? Tony Simon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 15:28:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55950 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 22:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 22:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 22:28:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2003 22:28:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:28:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Narrow bandwidth? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003001c39104$870bcca0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 697 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Same with 1600 WWRL- they were hands down the best sounding station > in NYC when they were wideband and in Stereo. > Chris Yes, indeed: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/usa/ny/wwrlnews.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/usa/ny/wwrlhist.mp3 I still wonder what the secret of their audio processing was; WWRL always had a very rich, full-bodied stereo image... the same songs played on FM seemed very "thin" in comparison. One theory is that they were using a Modulation Sciences "StereoMaxx" processor. These days, WWRL is broadcasting Kahn PowerSide -- but they still play some music on weekends, so I bet ol' Lenny would love to switch them into full Kahn AM Stereo.... From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Oct 12 15:37:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64733 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 22:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 22:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 22:37:07 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.170]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:39:20 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c39111$425bf460$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Narrow bandwidth? Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:36:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 That reminds me Kevin- That station in NJ that plays the great Christmas music you taped- I forget which one- are they still stereo? They sounded so good, you had to keep looking at the radio to convince yourself that it wasn't FM! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. From braillers@verizon.net Sun Oct 12 16:15:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: luis_g27@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10951 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 23:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 23:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.26.18) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 23:15:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:15:17 -0700 Received: from 141.150.76.92 by bay8-dav46.bay8.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:15:16 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [luis_g27@hotmail.com] To: References: <105.3787f613.2cbb2d6d@aol.com> Subject: AM Portable Radios Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:15:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2003 23:15:17.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2BBB560:01C39116] X-eGroups-From: "Luis Guerra" From: "Luis Guerra" Reply-To: "Luis Guerra" X-Originating-IP: [141.150.76.92] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=156951300 X-Yahoo-Profile: unionhill2002 Hi group, I'm a newbie at listening to AM stereo. I'm going to buy a portable AM stereo radio. I want your advice as to wich portable radios provide the best reception. Thanks. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 16:51:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43628 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2003 23:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2003 23:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 23:51:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20031012235109.84115.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.248.96] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:51:09 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Portable Radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Luis Go to www.audiocubes.com and look up Sony SRF A300 for US 99 dollars theres a couple of walkmans also They will say "AM Stereo Correspondence". Michael Luis Guerra wrote: Hi group, I'm a newbie at listening to AM stereo. I'm going to buy a portable AM stereo radio. I want your advice as to wich portable radios provide the best reception. Thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 17:09:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75800 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 00:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 00:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 00:09:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 00:09:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:09:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1950s Australian AM Stereo System Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1720 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > While surfing the web I stumbled on this interesting article that > discusses AM stereo broadcasting in Australia during the 1950s. The > article can be found at this URL: > > http://www.alphalink.com.au/~cambie/Gallery2/SMB161Article.zip > > The schematics for several similar early AM Stereo capable receivers > are available on another page, Gallery3, at this same web site. Does > anyone here have one of these early Australian AM Stereo radios? Receivers of this type- discreet AM tuners in a single unit- were made between the late 1930s and late 1960s, and were, in fact, the most common form of stereophonic broadcasting up to the advent of the GE/Zenith FM stereo system. The first AM stereo broadcast, in 1925, was of this nature, correctly called "simulcast" stereo. Few transcript recordings exist of these dual-station broadcasts-- A Benny Goodman (?) stereo transcript (two platters) of a live concert at the Carnegie in NYC is known to exist. These Pioneer tuners were actually meant to compete with the advent of FM stereo broadcasting, which at the time, simulcasting in AM/AM, AM/FM, and MW/SW configurations were allowed. (I think the last known broadcast of this type was in 1970 or so, but the last dedicated simulcast receiver was made in 1968.) These units could also do true ISB reception as well. (Simulcast receivers were somewhat common from the time of consumer stereo-- About 1958 or thereabouts, largely abandoned as soon as single-channel FM stereo became a reality in 1961.) Stereo receivers prior to 1958 existed, but were rare, often relegated to home-built units. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 17:39:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33385 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 00:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 00:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 00:39:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 00:39:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:39:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WCTC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c39111$425bf460$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 965 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That reminds me Kevin- That station in NJ that plays the great > Christmas music you taped- I forget which one- are they still > stereo? They sounded so good, you had to keep looking at the radio > to convince yourself that it wasn't FM! > Chris That's 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, NJ, and yes, they are still in full AM Stereo, and sounding just as good as ever -- especially for a talk station. Nearly all of their liners, commercials, and bumper music is played in stereo, and WCTC's line-up of live, local news, talk, and sports programming is unparalleled in the area, even compared to the big 50-kW NYC stations. In fact, since last Fall, WCTC has been home to NY/NJ radio legend Jack Ellery, who may be "over the hill" in age, but definitely not in talent or humor. For example, here's him having some fun with the bumper music, which also serves to demonstrate WCTC's fantastic AM Stereo sound: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/wctc2003.mp3 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 17:47:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73253 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 00:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 00:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 00:47:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 00:47:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:47:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1950s Australian AM Stereo System Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 990 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > These Pioneer tuners were actually meant to compete with the advent > of FM stereo broadcasting, which at the time, simulcasting in > AM/AM, AM/FM, and MW/SW configurations were allowed. The simulcast method was also used to provide TV stereo sound -- one audio channel from your TV, and the other from a local radio station. I know the BBC did demonstration broadcasts in that manner. > (I think the last known broadcast of this type was in 1970 or so, > but the last dedicated simulcast receiver was made in 1968.) It may not be designed for simulcast stereo, but Audio Design Associates makes the MT-3000 "Multi-Tuner", with separate AM Stereo, FM Stereo, Shortwave, and TV Stereo tuner modules -- which could be used to receive simulcast stereo, as each module has a separate audio output: http://www.ada-usa.com/MT-3000_Bus_Page.html Also, check out the specs for its AM tuner -- could this be a competitor to the Fanfare? http://www.ada-usa.com/MT-3000_Spec_Page.html From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Oct 12 19:08:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77870 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 02:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 02:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 02:08:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 02:08:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 02:08:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WWRL/New York Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 90 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 172.167.246.208 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx > These days, WWRL To what exactly has WWRL's format evolved to these days? Tony Simon From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Oct 12 19:14:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81101 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 02:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 02:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 02:14:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 02:14:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 02:14:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Portable Radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031012235109.84115.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 540 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 172.167.246.208 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Go to www.audiocubes.com Of course, you can keep your eye out on eBay for the coveted Sony SRF-A100 portable radio (or SRF-A1 Walkman)...The SRF-A100 hands down has the best audio quality (in my opinion)....As for the radios that Audiocubes has (a good company not just for AMS, but for MD related gear too), I'd probably say the SRF-AX15 has the best all around audio quality (at least my own personal experiences have shown me that). Tony Simon From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 19:27:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61851 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 02:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 02:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 02:27:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 02:27:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 02:27:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WWRL/New York Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 628 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > To what exactly has WWRL's format evolved to these days? Weekdays, they're all-talk, and weekends, they're a hodge-podge of talk, infomercials, Caribbean music, and religious programming. WWRL is still a black-oriented station, just as they have been for decades, but now the primary emphasis is on talk, rather than music. Another NYC station that *should* be in stereo is 1190 WLIB, as they play a lot of music, and are one of the best-sounding mono stations in the area -- very crisp and clean. A while back, I wrote them asking about the possibility of WLIB upgrading to AM Stereo, but I never got any response. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 19:37:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33076 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 02:37:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 02:37:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 02:37:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20031013023712.671.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.101.69.81] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:37:12 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Portable Radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whats the SRF A100 like on dxing? What is the best AMS radio for dxing? The Sony SRF A 300 has a very good AM side for dxing plus nice sounding AMS (at least on my one!) its equal to the superadio iii . Michael Tony wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Go to www.audiocubes.com Of course, you can keep your eye out on eBay for the coveted Sony SRF-A100 portable radio (or SRF-A1 Walkman)...The SRF-A100 hands down has the best audio quality (in my opinion)....As for the radios that Audiocubes has (a good company not just for AMS, but for MD related gear too), I'd probably say the SRF-AX15 has the best all around audio quality (at least my own personal experiences have shown me that). Tony Simon Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 20:15:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49402 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 03:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 03:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 03:15:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.143] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 03:15:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 03:15:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Portable Radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031013023712.671.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1183 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Whats the SRF A100 like on dxing? > What is the best AMS radio for dxing? > The Sony SRF A 300 has a very good AM side for dxing plus nice > sounding AMS (at least on my one!) its equal to the superadio iii. It's not portable, but with a Terk AM Advantage antenna, the MCS 3050 tuner is the most sensitive and selective AM Stereo receiver I've ever used, by far. Its DXing performance is actually better than my Superadio, because it's more selective -- and yet it still sounds pretty good, with a decent amount of treble response. There's one on eBay right now, with less than a day left until the auction ends, so catch it while you can: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3051788987 As for portables, I'd have to give my thumbs up to the SRF-A300 as well -- the classic SRF-A100 is pretty good, but it only gives you a choice of either super-wide bandwidth or super-narrow, with nothing in between, and on weaker signals, it gets rather "hissy", even in narrow mode. The 'A300 seems to have a better front end, with a nice "medium" bandwidth and true C-Quam decoding, too, for a cleaner sound without the distortion of the older Sony models. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 20:17:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77597 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 03:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 03:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 03:17:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 03:17:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 03:17:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1950s Australian AM Stereo System Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 939 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > These Pioneer tuners were actually meant to compete with the advent > > of FM stereo broadcasting, which at the time, simulcasting in > > AM/AM, AM/FM, and MW/SW configurations were allowed. > > The simulcast method was also used to provide TV stereo sound -- one > audio channel from your TV, and the other from a local radio station. > I know the BBC did demonstration broadcasts in that manner. So did NBC and Disney in 1960, which was a Ludwig von Drake music program for NBC's Sunday night Disney program ("Disney in Color" or "Wonderful World of Disney", not exactly sure what name the program was at the time.) Oh, and yes- At the same time there were the flurry of AM and FM stereo systems prtoposed and experimented with in the late 1950s and early 1960s, there were at least 3 TV stereo systems proposed at the time. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 20:31:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79870 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 03:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 03:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 03:31:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 03:31:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 03:31:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Portable Radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031013023712.671.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 918 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Whats the SRF A100 like on dxing? Excellent, even in wideband mode. > What is the best AMS radio for dxing? I would say the SRF-A100, and it was a damned sensitive radio, going stereo as soon as it got a carrier. (Multimode, no pilot detection.) Others might say the SRF-42 or any of the newer Sonys, as they do have narrower bandwidtrh. My Radio Shack TM-152 is also very sensitive, almost as sensitive as the old A100. (I do miss my old A100.) > The Sony SRF A 300 has a very good AM side for dxing plus nice sounding AMS (at least on my one!) its equal to the superadio iii . There isn't much I think Sony does all that well, but AM stereo is one that they do. MiniDiscs are good, too, and my mini MD recorder is nice. :) Other than that, I just don't have too many other good experiences with Sony. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, folks time for more torchur and harassment! *Grins* John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com DC: JH_Radio on hub: andrelouis.com IRC server op on: irc.the-bofh.com on channel #Cutiecat's [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Oct 13 07:28:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81970 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 14:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 14:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 14:28:42 -0000 Received: from localhost (d118-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.150]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h9DESft39303 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:28:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:28:37 -0700 Subject: MCS 3050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1066031912.166.40417.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: <88A46DB0-FD89-11D7-BF19-00050291D22F@fastq.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Kevin On this, we both agree. The only fault the 3050 has is that it only goes up to 1620 kHz. We disagree that it DXes better than the SR III though. The SR III is but only slightly better. Kevin Mesa, Arizona On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 12:58 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > It's not portable, but with a Terk AM Advantage antenna, the MCS 3050 > tuner is the most sensitive and selective AM Stereo receiver I've > ever used, by far. Its DXing performance is actually better than my > Superadio, because it's more selective -- and yet it still sounds > pretty good, with a decent amount of treble response. There's one on > eBay right now, with less than a day left until the auction ends, so > catch it while you can: From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 08:25:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14581 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 15:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 15:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 15:25:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 15:25:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:25:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MCS 3050 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <88A46DB0-FD89-11D7-BF19-00050291D22F@fastq.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 551 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > We disagree that it DXes better than the SR III though. The SR III > is but only slightly better. There may be variations in build quality, but even in "Normal" mode, my SR III is just a bit too wide to pick up a weak signal that's right next to a strong signal. Also, it suffers from strong signal overload; when I place it within close range of my AM Stereo generator running through a properly loaded antenna, it goes nuts, with all kind of distortion and images across the dial, even when other radios in the same exact spot work fine. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 08:44:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86285 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 15:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 15:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 15:44:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 15:44:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:44:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Panasonic AM Stereo generator on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 226 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It may be broken, because all the buttons are lit up and it shows "F"'s on the display, which is not correct... but buy it cheap and fix it or use it for parts: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2564674392 From dougharding@mindspring.com Mon Oct 13 08:45:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65728 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 15:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 15:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 15:45:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 15:45:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:45:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WQAM 560 Miami Turns OFF IBOC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 137 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Just checking this morning and there was NO IBOC on WQAM. I wish they would just turn their C-QUAM exciter back on and be done with it. From dougharding@mindspring.com Mon Oct 13 08:53:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougharding@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16150 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 15:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 15:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 15:53:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 15:53:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:53:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:That looks like my Fried Panasonic AM Stereo generator on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 748 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "douglasharding" X-Originating-IP: 147.70.96.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146430345 X-Yahoo-Profile: douglasharding Kevin this looks like the one I threw out here in Miami. I live in a high rise in Coral Gables. I took it to the garbage room on my floor and left it. It was gone the next day. I bet one of the maintance men took it to a pawn shop and sold it and now it is on EBAY. It was totally fried and not worth fixing. The buttons did not do anything and mine also displayed nothing but F's, I eventually bought another one that worked off EBAY. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > It may be broken, because all the buttons are lit up and it shows > "F"'s on the display, which is not correct... but buy it cheap and > fix it or use it for parts: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2564674392 From brian60420@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 09:59:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33386 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 16:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 16:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80603.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 16:59:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20031013165948.83601.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.24.179.208] by web80603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:59:47 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Narrow bandwidth? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8B7A2270-FCDC-11D7-8DD2-00050291D22F@fastq.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: brian60420 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree 100% with you. AM mono-narrow band sounds horrible. Think about this.... LP's are history and they were full-frequency Stereo recordings. Yet today we still have to "accept" telephone/CB quality audio from AM stations in an age of Digital Hi-Fi and Digital Wi-Fi. IBOC and DAB promise quality, but at the expense of interference to analog broadcasting. Analog AM is going to take a HUGE hit in terms of listenership when your favorite station is covered in HISS and STATIC. I'm sure satellite radio would love to grab all the AM listeners who have had it with crappy audio, boring shows and no choice. Why don't we just limit the bandwidth to 3 kHz, turn every program to a call-in / talk show and call it a day? brian kevin wrote: >WHAT? >I think you may be mistaken when you say most people like narrow AM >sound. I am a DXer and only like narrow when I am DXing. Narrow >bandwidth makes me fatigues after a while for general listening. >Kevin >Mesa, Arizona >On Sunday, October 12, 2003, at 01:12 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Most AM radio stations sound more distorted in wide bandwidth mode > than in narrow bandwidth mode, it's just the nature of the beast, > that's just one of several reasons that people have historically > preferred narrow bandwidth AM radios. > > John --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomray@wor710.com Mon Oct 13 10:33:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78274 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 17:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 17:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 17:33:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 17:33:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:33:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR-HD Radio in Philly Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1565 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray But what you're not taking into consideration is that WCBS's 1/2mV contour does not extend down to Philly....and that's the contour that counts for market share. For the record, WOR's 1/2mV is past Philly, down to the Delaware bridge. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Point is moot. WCBS is not licensed to cover Philly, nor is their > > signal directed in the direction of Philly. While someone in the > > Philly area may be interested in NY news, I would think, > > particularly if there were something major news-wise going on, they > > would tune to a local station rather than trying to pick up a > > transmitter from 100+ miles away. > > 880 WCBS delivers a local-quality signal into the Philadelphia area; > this is a full 50,000-watt non-directional Class I-A signal you're > talking about, not some Class D pea-shooter! A lot of people commute > between the Philly area and the NYC area, so they naturally tune into > WCBS for NYC-oriented news, traffic, and weather -- not to mention > their broadcasts of Yankee games. > > A better example is 660 WFAN. Philly's WPHT 1210 AM Stereo just > dropped Imus, so listeners are tuning in WFAN to hear his show. Also, > a surprisingly high number of listeners prefer WFAN's sports > programming over that of local Philly sports station 610 WIP. So if > 50,000-watt Philly area Radio Disney station 640 WWJZ started > broadcasting IBOC and spreading hash on top of WFAN, I don't think > listeners would be all that happy about it! From tomray@wor710.com Mon Oct 13 10:34:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92468 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 17:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 17:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 17:34:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 17:34:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:34:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WOR-HD Radio in Philly Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031009221237.40837.qmail@web80506.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1193 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray I'm not "trying" anything. I'm stating a fact. Philly is outside the 1/2mV contour of WCBS. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Tom Ray wrote: > > > Try listening to 880 WCBS in Philly, where 860 > > WWDB is pumping out > > > their IBOC sidebands up to 875 kHz, and then get > > back to me.... > > > Point is moot. WCBS is not licensed to cover > > Philly, nor is their > > signal directed in the direction of Philly. While > > someone in the > > Philly area may be interested in NY news, I would > > think, particularly > > if there were something major news-wise going on, > > they would tune to > > a local station rather than trying to pick up a > > transmitter from 100+ > > miles away. > > > TR > > > Nice try. BUT try this. The WSAI IBOC KILLS the > Indiana 1520 in it's local area. When they were > testing at night, it could be heard inside the station > ON THEIR AIR MONITOR. > > Powell > > > > ===== > powell@c... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com From tomray@wor710.com Mon Oct 13 10:37:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38784 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 17:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 17:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 17:37:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 17:37:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:37:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 989 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray That's correct. However, a mono station could come really close if the transmitter were tuned for minimum IM distortion, or tuned using a frequency sweep while measuring harmonic distortion and tuned for minimum harmonic distortion across the audio passband. Both of these minimums will coincide with minimum IPM (or IQM). Sadly, most people with mono AM's don't tune using an IM distortion measurement. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > This would be similar to tuning for minimum L-R from the stereo > > monitor, when the transmitter is feed with a L+R signal. > > Exactly -- but the point is, a mono station with a mono modulation > monitor wouldn't be able to fine-tune their transmitter in this > manner. Therefore, even mono stations can benefit by having an > AM Stereo mod monitor on hand and using it to help adjust their > transmitter and antenna system for the least amount of incidental > phase modulation (IPM). From tomray@wor710.com Mon Oct 13 10:40:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomray@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31741 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 17:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 17:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 17:39:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 17:39:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:39:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1488 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom Ray" X-Originating-IP: 151.204.174.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136489311 X-Yahoo-Profile: wortomray If the antenna system were to have high VSWR on the sidebands, the energy being sent back into the PA stage will have the effect of raising the IPM. Bottom line is that the transmitter will interfere with itself, and you won't be able to make the stereo perform. TR --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > This would be similar to tuning for minimum L-R from the stereo > > > monitor, when the transmitter is feed with a L+R signal. > > > > Exactly -- but the point is, a mono station with a mono modulation > > monitor wouldn't be able to fine-tune their transmitter in this > > manner. Therefore, even mono stations can benefit by having an > > AM Stereo mod monitor on hand and using it to help adjust their > > transmitter and antenna system for the least amount of incidental > > phase modulation (IPM). > > Not exactly, my ultimate point was that a mono station should be able > to avail itself of this tuning trick without the necessity of owning a > fancy stereo monitor. All that should be required is a suitable PM or > FM receiver that can tune to the stations frequency. A resourceful > engineer could build one of these out of a couple of ICs, and a > handful of passive parts. Add an AM detector and you can display it > on a scope. > > One question, how does an antenna system cause incidental phase > modulation (IPM)? > > John From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 10:57:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27980 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 17:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 17:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 17:57:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20031013175717.79363.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.35.148.248] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:57:17 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR-HD Radio in Philly To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Tom Ray wrote: > I'm not "trying" anything. I'm stating a fact. > Philly is outside > the 1/2mV contour of WCBS. I'm not disputing THAT, but that's OK that the Philly IBOC signal wipes out WCBS and interferes with reception WELL into the 1.2 contour way up in NJ. SO, that I said below, is it OK for WSAI's IBOC to severely interfere with the Indiana station even in it's ( the Indiana station ) COL ? Powell > TR > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > --- Tom Ray wrote: > > > > Try listening to 880 WCBS in Philly, where 860 > > > WWDB is pumping out > > > > their IBOC sidebands up to 875 kHz, and then > get > > > back to me.... > > > > > Point is moot. WCBS is not licensed to cover > > > Philly, nor is their > > > signal directed in the direction of Philly. > While > > > someone in the > > > Philly area may be interested in NY news, I > would > > > think, particularly > > > if there were something major news-wise going > on, > > > they would tune to > > > a local station rather than trying to pick up a > > > transmitter from 100+ > > > miles away. > > > > > TR > > > > > > Nice try. BUT try this. The WSAI IBOC KILLS the > > Indiana 1520 in it's local area. When they were > > testing at night, it could be heard inside the > station > > ON THEIR AIR MONITOR. > > > > Powell > > > > > > > > ===== > > powell@c... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 11:02:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33130 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 18:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 18:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 18:02:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 18:02:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:02:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR-HD Radio in Philly Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 427 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > But what you're not taking into consideration is that WCBS's 1/2mV > contour does not extend down to Philly....and that's the contour > that counts for market share. Radio-Locator shows WCBS's 0.5 mV/m contour (the "Distant" line) covering Philadelphia: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WCBS_AM_LU.gif I know the Radio-Locator maps are not always accurate, so if you have WCBS's real contour map, I'd love to see it. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 11:08:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71636 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 18:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 18:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 18:08:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 18:08:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:08:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 655 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If the antenna system were to have high VSWR on the sidebands, the > energy being sent back into the PA stage will have the effect of > raising the IPM. Bottom line is that the transmitter will interfere > with itself, and you won't be able to make the stereo perform. And IBOC wouldn't work at all in that case... the transmitter's SWR protection would likely shut it down or drop to low power. BTW, when 860 WWDB was using IBOC, I heard the same problem that WOR had with occasional "blips" to low power, caused by the IBOC sidebands tripping the SWR protection. Is iBiquity and/or Harris still working on an official fix to this problem? From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Mon Oct 13 11:11:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25340 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 18:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 18:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.62) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 18:11:24 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-002scfairp0201.dialsprint.net ([63.184.200.201] helo=earthlink.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1A97A6-0005ej-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:11:18 -0700 Message-ID: <3F8AEACC.3CA3F3E0@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:11:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT - Layfayette Power Supply References: <88A46DB0-FD89-11D7-BF19-00050291D22F@fastq.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I have an old Layfayette Radio power supply Model IVLR, 117VAC/12VDC, 4 amps max, that was purchased new back in the 1970s, and used a few times to power a CB base station. I doubt that it was used more than 8-10 times. I presume it still works, but I have not tried it out. This could be used to power a car radio on a house's 115VAC circuitry. It is in a gunmetal grey case, approx. 5" x 5" x 3", and is somewhat heavy. If anyone on the list would like this unit, I would be happy to give it to them no charge if they would pay for the shipping. Dick W. Tampa From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Oct 13 11:39:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67947 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 18:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 18:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 18:39:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 18:39:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:39:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Narrow bandwidth? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200310121730540171.00A222D6@mail.globility.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 752 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g You will notice that I said "historically". The point is that people only prefer wide bandwidth if the resulting sound is free from distortion, noise, and interference, if the reproduction is impaired, then people have historically tended to reduce the treble response, finding the resulting "mellow" sound more natural than the distorted, noisy, interference laden, wideband sound. It is certainly true that people prefer wideband sound when there are no impairments present. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Mr.M.S." wrote: > I think you'll agree John, the more natural the sound from any radio, the less fatiguing it would be. And, while "narrow band' is the more feasible, it's a far cry from natural. > > MS From jbyrns@rcn.com Mon Oct 13 11:42:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49434 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 18:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 18:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 18:42:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 18:42:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:42:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1950s Australian AM Stereo System Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1278 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > I know the BBC did demonstration broadcasts in that manner. > > So did NBC and Disney in 1960, which was a Ludwig von Drake music > program for NBC's Sunday night Disney program ("Disney in Color" > or "Wonderful World of Disney", not exactly sure what name the > program was at the time.) I think it was something like "Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color", although I think the name may have changed when they moved to ABC, so I may be mixing up the now and old names. I think the particular program you mentioned was not broadcast in simple two channel stereo, but may have been broadcast in three channel stereo, with the TV sound as the center channel, AM on one side, and FM on the other. I remember setting up the AM table radio from the Living Room on one side of the Television set, and my Heathkit FM-3 tuner, amp, and speaker on the other side of the Television set, to listen to a program that was broadcast in three channel stereo about that time. I have been trying to figure out for some time exactly what the program was, you may have finally identified the program for me. John From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Oct 13 12:07:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55927 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 19:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 19:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 19:06:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2003 19:06:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:06:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WQAM 560 Miami Turns OFF IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 794 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx > Just checking this morning and there was NO IBOC on WQAM. I wish they > would just turn their C-QUAM exciter back on and be done with it. I actually hope they turn it back on, since I'd like to make an aircheck of them on my Sony SRF-A1 (in "B" mode) for uploading to this site for all to hear the wonderful "whizzing" noise. Yes, they were C-QUAM briefly in the late 80s/early 90s but they never really mentioned it on the air....The only station that really ever made it a point to mention the fact that they were AM Stereo here in the Miami area was WCMQ/1210 (Spanish), and later, when they moved to 1700...Both 1210 and 1700 are now Mono. WMYM/990 (Disney) was using PowerSIDE up until a year or so ago, but I can't detect it anymore on my multimode radios. Tony Simon/Miami From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Oct 13 12:13:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97620 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 19:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 19:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 19:13:40 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.a7.371780e7 (3866) for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:12:28 EDT Subject: 1660/Mobile, AL. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6024 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit www.amstereoradio.com lists it as possibly having AM Stereo and being on the air, but I haven't seen it listed on 100000watts.com as having signed on yet, and the WNTM website only shows a "Newsradio 710" logo (for their non-EB frequency)...I hope to go over there in less than a month....Anyone know the status of this station? Tony Simon/Hialeah, Fla. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Oct 13 12:24:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67822 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 19:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 19:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 19:24:47 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.188.202cab88 (25914) for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <188.202cab88.2cbc55db@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:24:11 EDT Subject: Aiwa recordable walkman on eBay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6024 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's an Aiwa recordable AM Stereo Walkman on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3052408035&category=15053 I'm planning on eventually placing a bid for it; that is, if no one on this list has their eyes on said item. If you are planning on bidding for this item, please say something so that I may respect your bid. Tony Simon/Miami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Oct 13 12:47:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49968 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 19:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 19:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 19:47:39 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.4f.35746396 (25914) for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4f.35746396.2cbc5abb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:44:59 EDT Subject: good news from Florida?? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6024 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have received word that a Stereo pilot is lighting up at WSOS/1170 in St. Augustine (formerly WKLN), which recently made a flip to Oldies.....My source has not been able to check for separation yet, as they are somewhat a ways from St. Augustine...Stay tuned for details. Tony S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 13:08:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32631 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 20:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 20:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 20:08:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20031013200807.94815.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.248.96] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:08:07 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MCS 3050 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My superadio will separate 3EE Magic 693(am stereo oldies station) from our local Radio Pacific 702 at night in narrow band mode but it merges into the next nearest locals (603kHz and 756Khz) even at night on wideband but the Sony SRF A300 will separate it quite well-have heard hetrodynes near that too could be (Honolulu)KORL 690 but since it went radio disney from KQMQ AM I never been able to get it now. Would it ever be possible to get the "States"(mainland) on such radios from New Zealand? I get a lot of Australian stations at night on these radios but then its only about 1300 miles as the crow flies. Michael "Kevin T." wrote: > We disagree that it DXes better than the SR III though. The SR III > is but only slightly better. There may be variations in build quality, but even in "Normal" mode, my SR III is just a bit too wide to pick up a weak signal that's right next to a strong signal. Also, it suffers from strong signal overload; when I place it within close range of my AM Stereo generator running through a properly loaded antenna, it goes nuts, with all kind of distortion and images across the dial, even when other radios in the same exact spot work fine. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Oct 13 13:52:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46004 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 20:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 20:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 20:52:51 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.55]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:55:06 -0400 Message-ID: <005501c391cb$dafb5980$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <4f.35746396.2cbc5abb@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} good news from Florida?? Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:52:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 All I know about WKLN is that Chick told me when Harold sold the station, the new owners had said they were going to keep the stereo on... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 3:44 PM Subject: {AMSF} good news from Florida?? > I have received word that a Stereo pilot is lighting up at WSOS/1170 in St. From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Oct 13 14:01:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85342 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 21:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 21:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 21:01:03 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.55]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:03:18 -0400 Message-ID: <008e01c391cd$002edbe0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <4f.35746396.2cbc5abb@aol.com> <005501c391cb$dafb5980$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} good news from Florida?? Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:00:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 oops= check that chick was supposed to be chuck- chalk it up to fast fingers.... cc (choke) ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Cuff To: Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} good news from Florida?? > All I know about WKLN is that Chick told me when Harold sold the station, From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Oct 13 15:58:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49461 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 22:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 22:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 22:58:48 -0000 Received: from michael (ppp196.qwest.dsl.vcn.com [209.193.99.197]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:58:48 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Aiwa recordable walkman on eBay Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:59:15 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <188.202cab88.2cbc55db@aol.com> From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have one almost just like it Tony. Mine I guess is either an older or newer model. It works well. I take it on the road with me when I'm going on a trip so I can get some AM Stereo airchecks if there are some to be gotten. Mine has all the same features as this one. Don't have it right in front of me right now so I don't know the exact model number. But it's extremely similar and has every feature that this one does. Only problem I have with it is that the AM bandwidth is kinda muddy. It could be a lot wider and sound a lot better. I actually did indeed open it up to attempt to look for a ceramic filter but couldn't find anything. Parts WAY too intricate and too small in there. One day when my eyes are feeling healthy and I'm feeling brave I may try again. Other than that it's very sensitive on both AM and FM. Tape section is good, although the auto level control on it could use some boosting.....tapes recorded on it (especially from AM) seem lower in level than they should be. I don't see any mention if this one is auto-reverse or not, but that's one nice thing about mine. You can set the switch to the one position so that it will record on one side, then turn around and record on the other side and then stop. Good luck!!! Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Bossmsx@aol.com [mailto:Bossmsx@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 1:24 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Aiwa recordable walkman on eBay There's an Aiwa recordable AM Stereo Walkman on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3052408035&catego ry=15053 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Oct 13 16:32:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31890 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 23:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 23:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 23:32:03 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.9.228]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20031013233203.DMIY14434.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:32:03 -0400 Message-ID: <004501c391e2$35c49d20$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Miami AM Stereo Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:32:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony, Do you remember WGBS-710 ? They made a very big deal of being AM Stereo. They put out brochures, and even had a dealer that sold the tuners for them. The brochure also told how to listen with two seperate radios, one tuned slightly up and the other below the signal. 980 also had Stereo when they were oldies, and for a very very brief time, WIOD-610 was in Stereo. I used to work for WQAM back in the 80's....way before the Stereo. The audio to me was a little flat, but it still sounded good. It makes me sad to hear about the IBOC. Juan WGNX ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 3:06 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: WQAM 560 Miami Turns OFF IBOC > Just checking this morning and there was NO IBOC on WQAM. I wish they > would just turn their C-QUAM exciter back on and be done with it. I actually hope they turn it back on, since I'd like to make an aircheck of them on my Sony SRF-A1 (in "B" mode) for uploading to this site for all to hear the wonderful "whizzing" noise. Yes, they were C-QUAM briefly in the late 80s/early 90s but they never really mentioned it on the air....The only station that really ever made it a point to mention the fact that they were AM Stereo here in the Miami area was WCMQ/1210 (Spanish), and later, when they moved to 1700...Both 1210 and 1700 are now Mono. WMYM/990 (Disney) was using PowerSIDE up until a year or so ago, but I can't detect it anymore on my multimode radios. Tony Simon/Miami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Oct 13 16:53:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17532 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 23:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2003 23:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 23:53:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:53:33 -0700 Received: from 172.175.134.52 by bay7-dav32.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:53:32 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: , , Subject: Fw: Slightly OT about new internet technology Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:49:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2003 23:53:33.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[35A4B1B0:01C391E5] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.175.134.52] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Broadband from the electric company? No thanks David Coursey Executive Editor, AnchorDesk Monday, Oct. 13, 2003 Electric power companies, wanting to become the nation's newest broadband Internet providers, are asking the Federal Communications Commission for permission to send high-speed data over their power grids. THAT MIGHT SEEM like a good thing for businesses and consumers, because it could offer them another affordable option for Internet service. It could also intensify competition, potentially lowering or at least stabilizing the cost of broadband service. But the effort is controversial, particularly among other users of the radio spectrum. The problem is that the technology--called broadband power line, or BPL--could create radio interference well beyond current FCC limits. Public safety agencies, the military, operators of long-range aircraft, television and shortwave broadcasters, and amateur radio operators are all concerned that BPL could interfere with their communications. But aren't we already using power lines to transmit data? Well, yes, we are. I'm doing so right now, using power-line networking in my home to extend my office network without having to string Ethernet cable. The technology I'm using is called HomePlug and it works pretty well, without any discernible interference problems. HomePlug is currently limited to speeds in the 802.11b range, but proponents already have plans for speeds comparable to 802.11a or g and beyond. The power companies want to use a different technology, called Access BPL, to serve whole communities with Internet service. Moving data over the power network means transmitting radio signals over the power grid, alongside the electrical current. So long as those radio waves stay on the electrical grid, everything is happy. But radio waves have minds of their own and, given a chance, will use the power lines as long antennas and launch off into the ether. THAT'S WHERE things get messy. BPL uses frequencies between 2MHz and 80MHz to carry the broadband data. Those are the same frequencies used by the public safety agencies, military, aircraft operators, and broadcasters I mentioned above. Groups representing these various constituencies are weighing in against Access BPL. The HomePlug system I'm using is non-controversial, thanks to engineering decisions that limit interference and because of the small size and scale of such systems. Access BPL, however, would be much larger and more powerful, and the wiring is much more likely to become a de facto transmitting antenna. Japan has already decided, based on interference studies done there, that the time is not yet right for Access BPL, pending improvements in the technology. The BBC, in a test in the UK, found BPL to cause significant interference. The ARRL, the U.S. organization of amateur radio operators, is opposed to BPL, saying it will negatively impact virtually all of the nation's 600,000 licensed ham radio operators. The group (of which I'm a life member) says Access BPL would seriously hamper the ability of hams to provide emergency communications--an important component of homeland security. The FCC is now considering whether the time is right for Access BPL and what technical standards should be imposed. It's not yet clear what compromises, if any, are possible. AS A PC USER, I stand to benefit from Access BPL, the way I'm already benefiting from HomePlug. But, as much as I'd like more connectivity options, I don't think we should pay the price of interfering with all these other forms of communication. For that reason, I'm asking the FCC to let power lines remain just that and leave broadband Internet to the cable television and telephone companies whose technologies best support it. If you wish to join me, you can file your comments with the FCC using its Electronic Comment Filing System (ECFS). As explained on the ARRL Web site, you go to the ECFS main page, click on Submit a Filing, enter "03-104" in the Proceeding field, then complete the form as indicated. You can also submit comments via e-mail; instructions are on the ECFS page. The ARRL has also created a complete tutorial, which contains links to BPL interference studies, a discussion of BPL technology, as well as links to comments filed with the FCC and other official information. What do you think? Would you order broadband service from your electric company? Do you think we need another broadband option? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Oct 13 17:01:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42387 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 00:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 00:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 00:01:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 00:01:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:00:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Book about AM / TV Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 138 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.20.165 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Anyone read this ? :- http://shopping.yahoo.com/p_am-stereo-tv-stereo-new-sound- dimensions_book_1977159569_0830609326?cf=compare&clink= From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Oct 13 17:06:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62673 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 00:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 00:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 00:06:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 00:06:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:06:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Aiwa recordable walkman on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <188.202cab88.2cbc55db@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 332 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.20.165 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Bossmsx@a... wrote: > There's an Aiwa recordable AM Stereo Walkman on eBay: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayI SAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3052408035&category=15053 > Lovely Jubbly as del boy would say :-) From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 17:24:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60920 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 00:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 00:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 00:24:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20031014002423.59400.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.109] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:24:23 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aiwa recordable walkman on eBay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <188.202cab88.2cbc55db@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bossmsx@aol.com wrote: > There's an Aiwa recordable AM Stereo Walkman on > eBay: > I'm planning on eventually placing a bid for it; > that is, if no one on this > list has their eyes on said item. > > If you are planning on bidding for this item, please > say something so that I > may respect your bid. > > Tony Simon/Miami Neat, but I bid on the MCS Tuner. I doubt IF I will win, but I am in the lead with a couple hours. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 17:25:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62203 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 00:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 00:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 00:25:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20031014002518.74653.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.109] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:25:18 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} good news from Florida?? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4f.35746396.2cbc5abb@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bossmsx@aol.com wrote: > I have received word that a Stereo pilot is lighting > up at WSOS/1170 in St. > Augustine (formerly WKLN), which recently made a > flip to Oldies.....My source > has not been able to check for separation yet, as > they are somewhat a ways from > St. Augustine...Stay tuned for details. > > Tony S. I have a friend in the area that verified they are in stereo and I might even get an air check out of it. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 18:27:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46962 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 01:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 01:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 01:27:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 01:27:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:27:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kahn gets tough Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 927 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From www.radioworld.com..... Cam-D, IBOC, Satellite Radio Highlighted at AES "Over my cold, dead body will I back away from Cam-D." Leonard Kahn made this statement in a digital radio session at the Audio Engineering Society convention in New York this weekend. Of Ibiquity's IBOC system eventually being authorized for nighttime operation he said, "It ain't going to happen." He claims the Ibiquity system will have audible artifacts at night and interfere with neighboring stations. But Kahn wasn't giving away much about how his system works, either. When asked by an attendee where the digital energy is inserted in the signal using Cam-D, Kahn didn't answer the question directly. Ibiquity did not have a representative on the panel, but NAB's David Layer said the NRSC anticipates the FCC would issue a second notice about IBOC in 2004, with more details about how stations may implement the service. From bratina501@msn.com Mon Oct 13 18:46:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87602 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 01:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 01:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 01:46:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 01:46:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:46:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn gets tough Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 691 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > From www.radioworld.com..... > > But Kahn wasn't giving away much about how his system works, either. > When asked by an attendee where the digital energy is inserted in the > signal using Cam-D, Kahn didn't answer the question directly. > I have read about his system and since it is an updated version of the Kahn/Hazeltine AM stereo system used in the 80's any multisystem AM stereo reciever such as the Sony SRF-A100 and the Metrosound converter can decode the stereo audio when switched into the AM stereo mode with the system selector switch in the B position. Or deocded using two mono radios. From stodd@vippn.com Mon Oct 13 19:16:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43249 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 02:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 02:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 02:16:52 -0000 Message-ID: <005701c391f9$e8b89140$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031013200807.94815.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MCS 3050 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:21:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Probably not on any stock receiver. The folks from the Scandinavian countries that send me DX reports usually have a LOOOONG barbed wire fence they use as an antenna (1km or more), and usually they do it up above the arctic circle where there is less man made interference. If there's some remote place like that in NZ you can set up at, perhaps with a good communications-grade receiver you could hear some mainland US DX. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Ross" > Would it ever be possible to get the "States"(mainland) on such radios from New Zealand? From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 19:21:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87906 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 02:21:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 02:21:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 02:21:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20031014022120.49351.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.248.96] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:21:20 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Slightly OT about new internet technology To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus They started doing that in New Zealand too -Our DSL is either too high priced/and capped limits too or reduced speeds as its monopolised by incumbent telecom. Michael --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Broadband from the electric company? No thanks > > What do you think? Would you order broadband service > from your electric company? Do you think we need > another broadband option? ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Oct 13 19:23:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55912 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 02:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 02:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 02:23:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 02:23:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:23:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn gets tough Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 418 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx > AM stereo reciever such as the Sony SRF-A100 and the Metrosound > converter can decode the stereo audio when switched into the AM > stereo mode with the system selector switch in the B position. I'm trying to find a list of stations that will test CAM-D (so far have been unsuccessful), to see if I can do a weekend trip with my SRF-A100 and SRF-A1, and MD recorders so I can do this very thing. --Tony Simon From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Oct 13 19:33:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51890 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 02:33:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 02:33:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 02:33:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 02:33:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:33:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Miami AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004501c391e2$35c49d20$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1899 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx > Do you remember WGBS-710 ? They made a very big deal of being AM > Stereo. Hmm...That's funny....We used to listen to WGBS quite a bit....I was very well aware that they were Kahn, but I don't recall them advertising it (I was 7 around the time they would've installed it)...I did hear them quite a bit in '82 on my RS "Build a Crystal Radio Set" (at 50kw it was the ONLY station that came in on that thing), and in the summer of '85, at night, I used to listen to the Alan Burke show, and in both of those cases I don't remember them saying anything about AM Stereo...Did they go Stereo before or after dropping the music? My Broadcast Pro-File history of them says they stayed Kahn through the WAQI/Spanish days, until the FCC ruled on C- QUAM being the only standard for AMS....I have a WAQI production piece that is done in Stereo, so that indeed seems to be the case. > 980 also had Stereo when they were oldies Actually it was for a brief period when they did "Heart & Soul" (between Oldies and "The Motivation Station")..Do you remember what kind of AMS they used? 980 is now owned by the Beasley folks (who also own WQAM), and is therefore now also broadcasting in IBOC....Should prove to be a fine mess in North Dade/South Broward with WMYM/990/Miami being a first adjacent...'MYM is no longer using PowerSIDE that I can tell, and a recent newspaper report on "AM 990 Radio Disney" says they plan on "improving their sound", which to me can only mean that they, too, will eventually turn IBOC on...What a nice situation that will be, with IBOC on both 980 AND 990 the next county over. > and for a very very brief time, WIOD-610 was in Stereo. I don't think they ever mentioned it, but I do remember hearing the difference on the air....Was 87 or so. > I used to work for WQAM back in the 80's....way before the Stereo. The Storz days? --Tony Simon/Miami From bratina501@msn.com Mon Oct 13 19:39:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95453 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 02:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 02:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 02:39:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 02:39:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:39:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn gets tough Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 391 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 > I'm trying to find a list of stations that will test CAM-D (so far > have been unsuccessful), to see if I can do a weekend trip with my > SRF-A100 and SRF-A1, and MD recorders so I can do this very thing. > > --Tony Simon In the file section under digital there is a PDF file about CAM-D that shows a list of all the stations testing it and there might be more that are not listed. From possumhunter@netzero.net Mon Oct 13 19:39:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96817 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 02:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 02:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.124) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 02:39:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:39:44 -0700 Received: from 172.169.247.137 by bay7-dav20.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:39:43 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:35:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2003 02:39:44.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CE0BE00:01C391FC] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.169.247.137] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tom Ray wrote: >a mono station could come really close if the transmitter were tuned for minimum IM distortion, or tuned using a frequency sweep while measuring harmonic distortion and tuned for minimum harmonic distortion across the audio passband. I have always tuned the transmitter with my O-Scope on the modulation monitor output while modulating it with a Square Wave tone. With a little tweaking back and forth, this method gets some killer sound out of the ole BTA1R. > >Sadly, most people with mono AM's don't tune using an IM distortion measurement. There are some truly rotten sounding stations on the air. The FCC should enforce audio standards on the AM band again. The worst sounding station I have heard to date is WPJM 800 with a *VERY* sick Harris SX1A. Second on the list would be WCKI 1300 with a half dead CCA AM1000D. The BEST sounding station I have ever heard was WQXR 1560 when in Kahn Stereo. The best sounding C-QUAM station was WWRL 1600 when in Stereo. WTTM 1680 is a close second. The best sounding Mono station was WCRS 1450 when Charlie Sparks was changing the tubes and kept the RCA BTA1S in "as-new" condition. Not bragging, but I had WJKI 1510 sounding nearly as good with a Gates BC1G that I put in perfect condition. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 19:52:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86216 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 02:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 02:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 02:52:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20031014025216.89752.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.103] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:52:16 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MCS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031014002423.59400.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > Neat, but I bid on the MCS Tuner. I doubt IF I will > win, but I am in the lead with a couple hours. > > Powell Didn't win. Got sniped at the last minute by someone here. Thanks, John, I guess that's what I get for not having DSL and ME being cheap. I still don't have a decent FM tuner with a good AM section. I do have an old JVC analog tuner that was fair, but a whole bunch of capacitors dried up in it, first the AM ( which just plain sucked ) quit, and the FM doens't work so good. I guess I should send it to the trash pile. Since I don't normally listen to FM, I don't know why I need an FM tuner, but I will EVENTUALLY get something better than the TM-152 and the 3 SRF 42a's I have. No sour grapes, really, but I did wine some NEON LIME Green coverse high tops. Powell Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From bratina501@msn.com Mon Oct 13 20:04:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83818 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 03:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 03:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 03:04:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 03:04:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:04:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn gets tough Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 569 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" wrote: > > > I'm trying to find a list of stations that will test CAM-D (so far > > have been unsuccessful), to see if I can do a weekend trip with my > > SRF-A100 and SRF-A1, and MD recorders so I can do this very thing. > > > > --Tony Simon > > In the file section under digital there is a PDF file about CAM-D > that shows a list of all the stations testing it and there might be > more that are not listed. My mistake it is under files in the PDF folder and not the digital folder. From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Oct 13 20:13:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92455 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 03:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 03:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 03:13:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 03:13:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:13:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn gets tough Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 224 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 172.167.203.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx > My mistake it is under files in the PDF folder and not the digital > folder. Actually caught that already...Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!! Wonder what there is to do in Lexington, Nebraska? --Tony S. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 20:32:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27360 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 03:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 03:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 03:32:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 03:32:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:32:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Book about AM / TV Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 769 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.17.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > Anyone read this ? :- > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/p_am-stereo-tv-stereo-new-sound- > dimensions_book_1977159569_0830609326?cf=compare&clink= Yes- This is the 1985 Stan Prentiss book with an overview of the then- used AM stereo systems (Motorola, Magnavox, Kahn, Harris, plus the Belar (RCA) system( and the then-proposed TV stereo systems in the US. Mostly, it just rehashes what reports were submitted to IEEE, NAB and the FCC with little independent assessment, and only a few circuits. It doesn't even bother to check for errors with the above-mentioned reports and evaluations. It's OK for mostly historical stuff. As a reference, I give it a 7- Could be better. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 20:44:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91939 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 03:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 03:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 03:44:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20031014034438.75855.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.248.96] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:44:38 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} MCS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031014025216.89752.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Should still sell it on "ebay" someone will probably give something for it. Michael "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: I do have an old JVC analog tuner that was fair, but a whole bunch of capacitors dried up in it, first the AM ( which just plain sucked ) quit, and the FM doens't work so good. I guess I should send it to the trash pile. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 20:46:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1677 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 03:46:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 03:46:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 03:46:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 03:46:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:46:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn gets tough Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1990 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm trying to find a list of stations that will test CAM-D Here it is, according to Kahn's FCC petition, with some extra details I added: 880 KRVN Lexington, NE Class B, 50kW ND day / 50kW DA night Full-Service - Nebraska Rural Radio Association (current Kahn Power-Side station) 1050 WDVM Eau Claire, WI Class B, 1kW ND day / 500W ND night Religious - Starboard Broadcasting, Inc. 1050 WJOK Kaukauna (Green Bay), WI Class B, 1kW DA day / 500W DA night Religious - Starboard Broadcasting, Inc. 1060 KKDS South Salt Lake (Salt Lake City), UT Class B, 10kW ND day / 149W ND night Oldies - Carlson Communications International (former Kahn AM Stereo, current Kahn Power-Side) old logo w/"1060 AM Stereo": http://www.kkds.com/images/oldies.GIF 1380 KRCM Beaumont, TX Class D, 1kW ND day / 127W ND night Fox News Radio - Voice Broadcasting, Inc. 1450 WLYV Fort Wayne, IN Class C, 1kW ND day/night Gospel - Midwest Broadcasting Corp. 1480 WJFC Jefferson City, TN Class D, 500W ND daytime-only Classic Country/Bluegrass - Appalachian Educ. Association 1480 WSDS Salem Township (Ann Arbor/Detroit), MI Class B, 750W DA day / 3.8kW DA night Classic Country - Koch Broadcasting Corp. 1500 WLQV Detroit, MI Class B, 50kW DA day / 5kW DA night (Const. Permit for 10kW DA night) Religious - Christian Broadcasting System, Ltd. Also, in a previous FCC petition, Kahn said that over 100 stations could just "throw a switch" and begin broadcasting in Kahn AM Stereo, if the FCC would allow it -- interesting, because as of 1992, there reportedly were less than 20 stations still using Kahn stereo. Speaking of which, I wonder... has there ever been a documented case of a station getting in trouble with the FCC, for broadcasting in Kahn AM Stereo (or Harris, or Maganavox), after C-Quam became the official standard? The actual cut-off date was some time in 1994, as the 1993 FCC ruling included a one-year grace period for stations to either switch to C-Quam or revert to mono. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 23:14:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88800 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 06:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 06:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 06:14:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 06:14:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:14:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MCS 3050 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005701c391f9$e8b89140$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2470 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key In case this might help, here are some 50,000-watt AM stations in the USA in/near coastal states or at least west of the Rockies. (also Alaska and Hawaii are included.) Only directional stations included east of the coastal states (to the Rockies) (some directional near-coast stations under 50kW may also be listed - night power specified, day may be (and usually is) higher) 640 KFI Los Angeles, CA - Talk 650 KENI Anchorage, AK 660 KTNN Window Rock, AZ (directional - null east to protect New York's WFAN) - Navajo, Country 680 KNBR San Francisco, CA - Sports 720 KDWN Las Vegas, NV - Talk (directional - protects WGN Chicago) 740 KCBS San Francisco, CA - News (directional) 750 KFQD Anchorage, AK 760 KFMB San Diego, CA - Talk (also a 10kW in HI) (directional - protects WJR Detroit) 770 KKOB Albuquerque, NM - Talk (directional - protects WABC New York) 780 KKOH Reno, NV - Talk (directional - protects WBBM Chicago) 810 KGO San Francisco - News/Talk (directional) 840 KXNT North Las Vegas, NV - Talk (only 25kW but concentrated pattern to the southwest) 1000 KOMO Seattle, WA - News (directional) 1020 KTNQ Los Angeles, CA - Spanish Nostalgia (directional) 1070 KNX Los Angeles, CA - News 1100 KFAX San Francisco, CA (directional) 1110 KDIS Los Angeles, CA - Radio Disney (20kW, directional) 1130 KSDO San Diego, CA - Spanish Religious (10kW, directional) 1140 KHTK Sacramento, CA (directional) 1150 KXTA Los Angeles, CA - Sports (44kW, directional) 1530 KFBK Sacramento, CA - News/Talk (directional) 1540 KMPC Los Angeles, CA - Sports (10kW, directional) 1580 KBLA Santa Monica, CA - Spanish (directional) 1580 KMIK Tempe, AZ - Radio Disney (directional) and one directional >1kW exp-band station: 1670 KHPY Moreno Valley, CA - Spanish (9kW, directional) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Probably not on any stock receiver. The folks from the Scandinavian > countries that send me DX reports usually have a LOOOONG barbed wire fence > they use as an antenna (1km or more), and usually they do it up above the > arctic circle where there is less man made interference. If there's some > remote place like that in NZ you can set up at, perhaps with a good > communications-grade receiver you could hear some mainland US DX. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael and Ross" > > > Would it ever be possible to get the "States"(mainland) on such radios > from New Zealand? From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Oct 14 06:06:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37824 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 13:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 13:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 13:06:00 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.231.85]) by imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20031014130600.FZVS1795.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:06:00 -0400 Message-ID: <004401c39253$eb2cd2b0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Miami AM Stereo Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:06:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony, WGBS was music when they had the Stereo on. I have a brochure that I can scan and send it to you, or the group. I remember hearing a Beatles tune, wide Stereo seperation, with the 2 radio trick. I never knew WIOD was in Stereo until I read it in the Miami News or Herald. The engineer was quoted as saying they tried it, didn't like what it did to the signal, and turned it off. I forgot about 1210, they were Stereo for a long time it seems. I worked for WQAM when they were owned by Storz. As a matter of fact, I was the last on-air person in Storz history, as the station was sold and it was the last one to be sold off and I was the only idiot that stayed on the last day. Everyone else, when they found out they were not being kept my the new owners, left. Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:33 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Miami AM Stereo > Do you remember WGBS-710 ? They made a very big deal of being AM > Stereo. Hmm...That's funny....We used to listen to WGBS quite a bit....I was very well aware that they were Kahn, but I don't recall them advertising it (I was 7 around the time they would've installed it)...I did hear them quite a bit in '82 on my RS "Build a Crystal Radio Set" (at 50kw it was the ONLY station that came in on that thing), and in the summer of '85, at night, I used to listen to the Alan Burke show, and in both of those cases I don't remember them saying anything about AM Stereo...Did they go Stereo before or after dropping the music? My Broadcast Pro-File history of them says they stayed Kahn through the WAQI/Spanish days, until the FCC ruled on C- QUAM being the only standard for AMS....I have a WAQI production piece that is done in Stereo, so that indeed seems to be the case. > 980 also had Stereo when they were oldies Actually it was for a brief period when they did "Heart & Soul" (between Oldies and "The Motivation Station")..Do you remember what kind of AMS they used? 980 is now owned by the Beasley folks (who also own WQAM), and is therefore now also broadcasting in IBOC....Should prove to be a fine mess in North Dade/South Broward with WMYM/990/Miami being a first adjacent...'MYM is no longer using PowerSIDE that I can tell, and a recent newspaper report on "AM 990 Radio Disney" says they plan on "improving their sound", which to me can only mean that they, too, will eventually turn IBOC on...What a nice situation that will be, with IBOC on both 980 AND 990 the next county over. > and for a very very brief time, WIOD-610 was in Stereo. I don't think they ever mentioned it, but I do remember hearing the difference on the air....Was 87 or so. > I used to work for WQAM back in the 80's....way before the Stereo. The Storz days? --Tony Simon/Miami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Oct 14 08:10:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51528 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 15:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 15:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 15:10:44 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:10:43 -0600 Message-ID: <004a01c39265$5712fc00$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: CAM-D stations Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:10:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This will be fun. Are we absolutely sure that when a station is running CAM-D that you'll be able to hear it with a multi-system radio? I have an SRF-A1 walkman and I get 880 KRVN Lexington, NB loud and clear at night. Meanwhile KKDS 1060 Salt Lake City is just an hour away and I'm in Utah regularly. So that's 2, count 'em, 2 stations within my range that'll be doing CAM-D testing :) I will keep a close eye on them and can probably get some airchecks with my SRF-A1 walkman, although I don't have a mini-disc recorder. I hadn't heard until recently here on the list that you could hear the stereo on a multi-system AM Stereo radio set to the "kahn" position. I hope it is correct, though. Tony, if you wanna hang tight before you book a flight to SLC, I can let you know for sure when/if KKDS starts and what it sounds like and if indeed it will work with an A100 or A1. I sure wish I knew the guy out there at KKDS so I'd know for SURE when the testing is going on. Will be in Utah today so I will check and let the list know if I heard anything. Part 2 (and then I'll shutup...I promise). Those of us that have an A100 or an A1 know that when a station is broadcasting in Motorola C-quam, and you flip the switch to the kahn setting you can still hear something....it's not quite right but there's still some kind of wierd spatial effect if you will. On the flip side of the coin, if a station is broadcasting in kahn (or as well CAM-D), can you hear any kind of spatial spacing or wierd echoing or anything on the motorola setting?? Or does it just sound like plain straight mono ? Thanks Michael n Wyoming [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 11:01:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27868 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 18:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 18:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 18:01:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 18:01:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:01:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WJLD: An identity crisis? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 538 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics On their web site, WJLD in Birmingham, AL proudly displays their logo as "1400 AM Stereo": http://www.wjld1400.com/ However, iBqiuity features them as an IBOC "Success Story": http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/SuccessStories.htm And even the official write-up about their IBOC conversion -- which claims WJLD to be the first AM station in the USA to convert to IBOC-- still includes WJLD's AM Stereo logo. So, which are they? An IBOC station? Or a C-Quam AM Stereo station? Or, IBOC during the daytime, and AM Stereo at night!? From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Oct 14 11:30:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25668 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 18:30:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 18:30:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 18:30:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 18:30:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:30:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WJLD: An identity crisis? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 752 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.38 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > On their web site, WJLD in Birmingham, AL proudly displays their > logo as "1400 AM Stereo": > > http://www.wjld1400.com/ > > However, iBqiuity features them as an IBOC "Success Story": > > http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/SuccessStories.htm > > And even the official write-up about their IBOC conversion -- which > claims WJLD to be the first AM station in the USA to convert to > IBOC-- still includes WJLD's AM Stereo logo. > > So, which are they? An IBOC station? Or a C-Quam AM Stereo > station? Or, IBOC during the daytime, and AM Stereo at night!? AM stereo during the daytime, as IBOC is AM stereo. What they are doing at night is anyones guess. John From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 12:30:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78082 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 19:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 19:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 19:30:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20031014193040.14722.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.248.96] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:30:40 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Slightly OT AM Stns To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pianoplayer88key wrote: In case this might help, here are some 50,000-watt AM stations in the USA in/near coastal states or at least west of the Rockies. (also Alaska and Hawaii are included.) Only directional stations included east of the coastal states (to the Rockies) (some directional near-coast stations under 50kW may also be listed - night power specified, day may be (and usually is) higher) 640... Thanks people I listened last night on Narrow bandwidth to 690 and every few minutes out of the muck could hear KORL?Disney Honolulu with American accents (Laughing like a contest a man and a woman..Heard a backstreet boys tune and The Macarena presume it was Disney Couldnt hear the call signs however. Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Oct 14 13:33:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99736 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 20:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 20:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 20:33:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 20:33:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:33:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MCS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031014025216.89752.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 655 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.207 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < w4opw@y...> wrote: > > --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > Neat, but I bid on the MCS Tuner. I doubt IF I will > > win, but I am in the lead with a couple hours. > > > > Powell > > > Didn't win. Got sniped at the last minute by someone > here. Thanks, John, I guess that's what I get for not > having DSL and ME being cheap. You are welcome Powell, but "DSL" has nothing to do with it, I make do with a 10 year old computer, and a 14.4 kb modem. It's because you are cheap, although I have been told that I can squeeze a quarter until the eagle screams. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Tue Oct 14 13:36:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38613 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 20:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 20:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 20:36:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 20:36:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:36:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CAM-D stations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004a01c39265$5712fc00$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 709 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.207 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" < michaelj@v...> wrote: > This will be fun. Are we absolutely sure that when a station is > running CAM-D that you'll be able to hear it with a multi-system > radio? Why not? From the submission Kahn made to the FCC, it sounds like "CAM-D" is the Kahn ISB system with some added digital carriers at the edges. The thing that I wonder most about is how robust Kahn's digital carriers will be? It wouldn't surprise me if the range of the digital component of the "CAM-D" signal is minimal, and the whole purpose of the exercise is to use digital as a excuse to replace the C-Quam standard with the Kahn ISB system. Time will tell. John From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Oct 14 13:58:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17072 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 20:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 20:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 20:58:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 20:58:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:58:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Slightly OT about new internet technology Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031014022120.49351.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 428 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.25.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross=20 wrote: > They started doing that in New Zealand too -Our DSL is > either too high priced/and capped limits too or > reduced speeds as its monopolised by incumbent > telecom. I thought Oz telco's would do good deals for ADSL. The cost of=20 living seems so cheap there compared with the UK I pay =A318.75 for no=20 limits 512MB here, about $31 US or $45 Aus From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 14:27:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93662 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 21:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 21:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 21:27:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 21:27:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:26:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WJLD: An identity crisis? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 731 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > AM stereo during the daytime, as IBOC is AM stereo. What they are > doing at night is anyones guess. That's like referring to a compact disc as an "LP" or "record". Both are applicable, since it is Long Playing, and is a record(ing), but causes much confusion, as both terms are firmly entrenched in reference to analog phonograph discs. In this case, I've never heard iBiquity refer to IBOC as "AM Stereo". In fact, they likely don't want to call it "AM" at all, because of the connotations that term involves. As far as iBiquity is concerned, they would like us to only refer to it as "HD Radio", which plays upon the association with "HDTV", even though IBOC radio and digital TV have virtually nothing in common. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 14:38:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44495 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 21:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 21:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 21:38:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 21:37:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:37:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MCS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 906 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You are welcome Powell, but "DSL" has nothing to do with it, I > make do with a 10 year old computer, and a 14.4 kb modem. I suppose that's because you're saving up to purchase an IBOC receiver when they become available? Keep saving, though, because it'll cost a pretty penny -- Kenwood's IBOC tuner module has a list price of $350, and then you'd have to buy a receiver to go along with it; the least expensive one that fully supports the IBOC tuner lists for $320. That's $670, just to hear a system that still hasn't reached final FCC approval, and is only heard on a handful of AM stations across the country. > It's because you are cheap, although I have been told that I can > squeeze a quarter until the eagle screams. I'd take being called "cheap" a compliment, but Powell may not. I have little patience for personal attacks in this Forum, and you, my friend, are already trying it. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 15:05:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48213 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 22:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 22:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 22:05:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20031014220538.19163.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.248.96] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:05:38 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Slightly OT about new internet technology To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We do have "telstra" here but theyre only in certain cities and only there = is lower prices. Here we have a sort of DSL unlimited $65.95 with a 128kbps cap otherwise "f= ull" adsl is 49.95(just lowered price) for a 500MB cap per month @ 20c per = mb there after and theres woosh wireless internet now but it cost 300 dolla= rs install plus about 65 per month with 256k cap or satellite which uses th= e modem to U/L and craps out each time it rains. Michael Dave wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross=20 wrote: > They started doing that in New Zealand too -Our DSL is > either too high priced/and capped limits too or > reduced speeds as its monopolised by incumbent > telecom. I thought Oz telco's would do good deals for ADSL. The cost of=20 living seems so cheap there compared with the UK I pay =A318.75 for no=20 limits 512MB here, about $31 US or $45 Aus Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Tue Oct 14 15:36:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30469 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 22:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 22:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 22:36:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 22:36:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:36:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CAM-D stations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004a01c39265$5712fc00$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1910 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > This will be fun. Are we absolutely sure that when a station is running CAM-D that you'll be able to hear it with a multi-system radio? I have an SRF-A1 walkman and I get 880 KRVN Lexington, NB loud and clear at night. Meanwhile KKDS 1060 Salt Lake City is just an hour away and I'm in Utah regularly. So that's 2, count 'em, 2 stations within my range that'll be doing CAM-D testing :) I will keep a close eye on them and can probably get some airchecks with my SRF-A1 walkman, although I don't have a mini-disc recorder. I hadn't heard until recently here on the list that you could hear the stereo on a multi-system AM Stereo radio set to the "kahn" position. I hope it is correct, though. Tony, if you wanna hang tight before you book a flight to SLC, I can let you know for sure when/if KKDS starts and what it sounds like and if indeed it will work with an A100 or A1. I sure wish I knew the guy out there at KKDS so I'd know for SURE when the testing is going on. Will be in Utah today so I will check and let the list know if I heard anything. Part 2 (and then I'll shutup...I promise). Those of us that have an A100 or an A1 know that when a station is broadcasting in Motorola C-quam, and you flip the switch to the kahn setting you can still hear something....it's not quite right but there's still some kind of wierd spatial effect if you will. On the flip side of the coin, if a station is broadcasting in kahn (or as well CAM- D), can you hear any kind of spatial spacing or wierd echoing or anything on the motorola setting?? Or does it just sound like plain straight mono ? > > Thanks > Michael n Wyoming > > I tried to get KKDS last night and all I got on my SRF-42 was CKMX 1060 an AM stereo station from Calgary with only a hint of KKDS in the background. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 16:08:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53473 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 23:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 23:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60109.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 23:08:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20031014230832.24051.qmail@web60109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.90] by web60109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:08:32 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MCS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" < > w4opw@y...> wrote: > > > > --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > > Neat, but I bid on the MCS Tuner. I doubt IF I > will > > > win, but I am in the lead with a couple hours. > > > > > > Powell > > > > > > Didn't win. Got sniped at the last minute by > someone > > here. Thanks, John, I guess that's what I get for > not > > having DSL and ME being cheap. > > You are welcome Powell, but "DSL" has nothing to do > with it, I make do > with a 10 year old computer, and a 14.4 kb modem. > It's because you > are cheap, although I have been told that I can > squeeze a quarter > until the eagle screams. > > John And contrary, er conterra was flaky and went off line just awhile later. I may be cheap, but I know some ( not here ) that make us look extravagant...... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From jon@kenneke.com Tue Oct 14 16:16:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67573 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 23:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 23:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 23:16:18 -0000 Received: from kenneke.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kenneke.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9ENGC2U032256 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:16:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id h9ENGCLq032253 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:16:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:16:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-AX15 - $41 in carton of 50! (JSG, please read!) In-Reply-To: <20031010030534.10046.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: jon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664 X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke Just got my SRF-AX15 in the mail today. The only AM stereo station I can receive during the day here sounds good. Nice seperation. Kinda nice having the radio be forced stereo. Just for fun, I tuned over to a station I engineer for that uses Kahn powerside (don't ask, I have tried to get them to ditch it). On this radio, it sounds "strange". Almost a stereo effect going. It also has more energy in the right channel, as it should when received on a Kahn receiver, which this is not. Strange. Jon -- Jon Kenneke, General Manager Kenneke Communications - http://www.kenneke.com PO Box 3126 - Albany, OR 97321-0702 Radio Takena KTK - http://www.radiotakena.org From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 16:46:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24263 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 23:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 23:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 23:46:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 23:46:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:46:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn, C-Quam, & Power-Side Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2139 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I tuned over to a station I engineer for that uses Kahn powerside > On this radio, it sounds "strange". Almost a stereo effect going. > It also has more energy in the right channel, as it should when > received on a Kahn receiver, which this is not. Strange. Basically, a forced C-Quam receiver, like your Sony, "half"-decodes a Kahn signal... it is missing the audio phase shift necessary to provide true left-to-right separation. So, when you tune in a Kahn Power-Side signal, you'll hear a strange "out-of-phase" effect, with one channel slightly louder than the other (but not as much as if you were receiving it in true Kahn mode). And, if there were any Kahn AM Stereo (or CAM-D) signals for you to tune in, you'd hear "Stereo" sound, with a good sense of "space" to it, but you'd notice that there isn't any true left-to-right stereo separation, as if it was more of a "simulated stereo" effect. Again, this is due to the lack of proper phase shifting between the L+R and L-R components. When you switch an older Sony radio into Kahn mode, all it does is add in the phase shift -- everything else remains the same. At one point, Kahn actually proposed that if his system would become the standard for AM Stereo, he would let Kahn AM Stereo stations transmit a 25 Hz pilot tone, so that C-Quam receivers would trigger into stereo mode and reproduce this kind of "almost-stereo" effect. And by the way, if you listen to a C-Quam station in Kahn mode, the same exact thing happens -- you get an "almost-stereo" effect, exactly as I described above. This can also happen if you use the old Kahn "two-radio trick" on a C-Quam station -- you *do* hear some difference between the two radios, but it doesn't quite form a true left-to-right stereo image. And finally, to those who asked, yes, a CAM-D signal is the same thing as a regular Kahn AM Stereo signal, just with a digital data stream added to it in order to reproduce the "missing" high treble frequencies (8 - 15 kHz). So if CAM-D ever gets on the air, and you tune it in on a multi-system radio in Kahn mode, you WILL hear true stereo sound! From bratina501@msn.com Tue Oct 14 16:58:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55944 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 23:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2003 23:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 23:58:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2003 23:58:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:58:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn, C-Quam, & Power-Side Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 491 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: the > same exact thing happens -- you get an "almost-stereo" effect, > exactly as I described above. This can also happen if you use the > old Kahn "two-radio trick" on a C-Quam station -- you *do* hear some > difference between the two radios, but it doesn't quite form a true > left-to-right stereo image. I tried that just for grins before I got an AM stereo reciever and sure enough I got the same thing From stodd@vippn.com Tue Oct 14 17:46:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70765 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 00:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 00:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 00:46:08 -0000 Message-ID: <004601c392b6$65b3ef20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Miami AM Stereo Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:38:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It can always serve as Exhibit A as to why IBOC is a bad idea. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" nice situation that will be, with IBOC on both 980 AND 990 the next > county over. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Oct 14 17:46:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5711 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 00:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 00:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 00:46:16 -0000 Message-ID: <004701c392b6$66a68c80$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: Fw: contact for Warren Shulz Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:45:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit contact for Warren ShulzFor those wondering about WKSH dropping stereo. Thanks to Warren Shulz of WLS for helping me find the answer. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Wesley, Kyle R To: Shulz, Warren G ; stodd@vippn.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:53 AM Subject: RE: contact for Warren Shulz The stereo Optimod was giving us problems and has been taken out We put in a mono Optimod and killed the stereo. Kyle Wesley Director of Engineering . Radio Disney Phone . 972-448-3191 Fax . 972-386-8622 -----Original Message----- From: Shulz, Warren G. Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:32 AM To: stodd@vippn.com Cc: Wesley, Kyle Subject: RE: contact for Warren Shulz No I don't oversee the Milwaukee Radio Disney station. But I can share this email with the person who oversees Radio Disney stations that are not in O&O areas. For Chicago WRDZ-AM 1300 transmits in C-Quam stereo as does WLS-AM. ABC is not "diving" into IBOC. Yet IBOC can have an impact on rollout of new AM -Quam analog stereo receivers. Chicago ha its first expanded band station on 1690 a few days ago. Its a challange just to hear it with older equipment not tuning in about say 1620. Warren Shulz -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@vippn.com] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:14 PM To: Shulz, Warren G Subject: Re: contact for Warren Shulz Hi, and thanks for the comeback. I know you don't engineer for the Radio Disney station in Milwaukee, WKSH, but I figured you might know who does. I noticed they haven't been putting out a stereo signal for about a month now, and I'm wondering if this is just temporary or if it's permanent. Any ideas? Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Tue Oct 14 17:46:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88840 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 00:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 00:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 00:46:18 -0000 Message-ID: <004801c392b6$679188c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D stations Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:50:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I was thinking the same thing! Frankly, it would be a pain to go back and take each radio I converted and put a Kahn decoder in. And would the receiver manufacturers be anymore willing to put Kahn chips in their radios? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "bta_50g" > It wouldn't surprise me if the range of the > digital component of the "CAM-D" signal is minimal, and the whole > purpose of the exercise is to use digital as a excuse to replace the > C-Quam standard with the Kahn ISB system. Time will tell. From stodd@vippn.com Tue Oct 14 17:52:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 647 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 00:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 00:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 00:52:40 -0000 Message-ID: <006c01c392b7$522a9a20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <004701c392b6$66a68c80$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: contact for Warren Shulz Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:57:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Somehow that first line got garbled. First four words weren't in what I sent. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" > contact for Warren ShulzFor those wondering about WKSH dropping stereo. Thanks to Warren Shulz of WLS for helping me find the answer. From bratina501@msn.com Tue Oct 14 18:15:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25686 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 01:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 01:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 01:15:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 01:15:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:15:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: contact for Warren Shulz Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004701c392b6$66a68c80$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 755 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > contact for Warren ShulzFor those wondering about WKSH dropping stereo. Thanks to Warren Shulz of WLS for helping me find the answer. > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wesley, Kyle R > To: Shulz, Warren G ; stodd@v... > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:53 AM > Subject: RE: contact for Warren Shulz > > > The stereo Optimod was giving us problems and has been taken out > > > > We put in a mono Optimod and killed the stereo. > > > > > > Kyle Wesley > > Director of Engineering . Radio Disney > > Phone . 972-448-3191 > > Fax . 972-386-8622 > > > > At least this has not happened to KDZR in Portland they are still in stereo. From dav259@csiro.au Tue Oct 14 20:50:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29467 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 03:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 03:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 03:50:38 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9F3oZKG004134 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:50:37 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:50:35 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Magic 693 - Wavelab Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 ------- Forwarded message ------- G'day Ian, Apologies for the delay in replying. Thanks for the email and your kind comments. We saw the letter in the Green Guide, much appreciated. Yes, we've put an enormous amount of work into upgrading the quality of our music over the past few years. There aren't too many "duds" still in the system and we are slowly rounding 'em up. We recently installed a computer programme called Wavelab which can edit and clean up crackly old vinyl we can't get CD copies of. It's a little time consuming but it's a great toy to have. Regards Gary Hoffman Station Manager Magic 693 From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 22:06:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70815 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 05:06:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 05:06:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 05:06:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 05:06:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:06:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn, C-Quam, & Power-Side Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1120 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.188 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I tuned over to a station I engineer for that uses Kahn powerside > > On this radio, it sounds "strange". Almost a stereo effect going. > > It also has more energy in the right channel, as it should when > > received on a Kahn receiver, which this is not. Strange. > > Basically, a forced C-Quam receiver, like your Sony, "half"-decodes > a Kahn signal... it is missing the audio phase shift necessary to > provide true left-to-right separation. So, when you tune in a Kahn > Power-Side signal, you'll hear a strange "out-of-phase" effect, with > one channel slightly louder than the other (but not as much as if you > were receiving it in true Kahn mode). =etc.etc.= Actually, a forced C-QUAM demodulator is decoding Kahn ISB excactly as it should-- The Kahn L-R PM signal is essentially electrically in reverse, which causes the awkward stereo dematrixing one hears- essentially out-of-phase stereo difference. (This reverse signal actually is what causes the cancellation of sidebands, which causes ISB.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@csiro.au Wed Oct 15 01:36:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49273 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 08:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 08:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 08:36:15 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9F8aEBG017469 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:36:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:36:14 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: OT: Oz AM DX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 This is a DX report from Melbourne. I have a tape recorded in Napier NZ of KOMA (what great call letters) several years ago with alot of fading in and out but all audio in stereo. Is KOMA still in stereo? NZ Michael - you should subscribe to the greyline DX list - it's very quiet but good value. Ian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: greylinedx@radiodx.com Hi Folks, Here is the recent AM DX that has been received from my location here in Melbourne Vic Australia: Times (UTC+10): 06/10/2003 (AM) 1945-1955 1460KHZ KHRA HONOLULU HWA 07/10/2003-13/10/2003 NOTHING 14/10/2003 (AM) 1935-1955 1580KHZ KMIK TEMPE AZ USA 1935-1855 1580KHZ KBLA SANTA MONICA CA USA (U/KMIK) 1955-2020 1520KHZ KOMA OKLAHOMA CITY OK USA 2010-2020 1460KHZ KHRA HONOLULU HWA KMIK was exceptionally good last night (14/10/03). KBLA in Spanish was also mixing with KMIK, with KMIK being the predominant signal. KMIK identified both as "Radio Disney" and "KMIK Tempe Phoenix". I think I may have also caught a frequency announcement. KOMA was heard a weak levels with talk and it was the first time since the 1980's that I have heard it. KHRA came through at very weak levels with Korean language. Also on 14/10/03, BFO tones were noted on: 1150kHz, 1160kHz, 1470kHz, 1490kHz, 1540kHz, 1550kHz, 1560kHz, 1570kHz and 1670kHz from here in Melbourne Vic. Unfortunately, not strong enough to resolve audio. That's all the news to date. Until next time Regards Robert From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 02:20:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10879 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 09:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 09:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 09:20:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 09:20:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:20:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Oz AM DX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 325 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.188 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > This is a DX report from Melbourne. > > I have a tape recorded in Napier NZ of KOMA (what great call letters) > several years ago with alot of fading in and out but all audio in stereo. That's something I would love to hear! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 03:10:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78769 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 10:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 10:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 10:10:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20031015101009.74116.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.88.248.96] by web41202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:10:09 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Ian I used to be on that list but after an isp change I couldnt find it. What freq/where was KOMA? What radio was it recorded on? Michael Ian Davidson wrote: This is a DX report from Melbourne. I have a tape recorded in Napier NZ of KOMA (what great call letters) several years ago with alot of fading in and out but all audio in stereo. Is KOMA still in stereo? NZ Michael - you should subscribe to the greyline DX list - it's very quiet but good value. Ian --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From braillers@verizon.net Wed Oct 15 03:19:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: braillers@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3157 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 10:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 10:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out003.verizon.net) (206.46.170.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 10:19:34 -0000 Received: from DBY1VT21 ([138.89.23.134]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20031015101933.HDRL8791.out003.verizon.net@DBY1VT21> for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:19:33 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c39305$d4e19920$94e1fea9@DBY1VT21> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:19:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [138.89.23.134] at Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:19:32 -0500 From: "Luis Guerra" Reply-To: "Luis Guerra" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=156951300 X-Yahoo-Profile: unionhill2002 Hi Group, I've heard dx reports of U.S. stations being heard in Europe, New Zealand and Australia but I've yet to hear reports of their stations heard here in the states. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" To: "amstereoforum" Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:36 AM Subject: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX > > This is a DX report from Melbourne. > > I have a tape recorded in Napier NZ of KOMA (what great call letters) > several years ago with alot of fading in and out but all audio in stereo. > > Is KOMA still in stereo? > > NZ Michael - you should subscribe to the greyline DX list - it's very > quiet but good value. > > Ian > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: greylinedx@radiodx.com > > Hi Folks, > > Here is the recent AM DX that has been received from my location here in > Melbourne Vic Australia: > > Times (UTC+10): > > 06/10/2003 > (AM) 1945-1955 1460KHZ KHRA HONOLULU HWA > > 07/10/2003-13/10/2003 > NOTHING > > 14/10/2003 > (AM) 1935-1955 1580KHZ KMIK TEMPE AZ USA > 1935-1855 1580KHZ KBLA SANTA MONICA CA USA > (U/KMIK) > 1955-2020 1520KHZ KOMA OKLAHOMA CITY OK USA > 2010-2020 1460KHZ KHRA HONOLULU HWA > > KMIK was exceptionally good last night (14/10/03). KBLA in Spanish was also > mixing with KMIK, with KMIK being the predominant signal. KMIK identified > both as "Radio Disney" and "KMIK Tempe Phoenix". I think I may have also > caught a frequency announcement. KOMA was heard a weak levels with talk and > it was the first time since the 1980's that I have heard it. KHRA came > through at very weak levels with Korean language. > > Also on 14/10/03, BFO tones were noted on: 1150kHz, 1160kHz, 1470kHz, > 1490kHz, 1540kHz, 1550kHz, 1560kHz, 1570kHz and 1670kHz from here in > Melbourne Vic. Unfortunately, not strong enough to resolve audio. That's all > the news to date. Until next time > > Regards > > Robert > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Oct 15 07:58:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75351 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 14:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 14:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 14:58:18 -0000 Received: from localhost (d235-osel-phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.248]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.6-2003091800/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with ESMTP id h9FEwHt73862 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:58:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:58:13 -0700 Subject: Do we have to hear this? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1066206462.520.65572.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: kevin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Kevin Tekel, Do we have to endure this on the list? Kevin Mesa, Arizona On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 01:27 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > You are welcome Powell, but "DSL" has nothing to do with it, I make do > with a 10 year old computer, and a 14.4 kb modem. It's because you > are cheap, although I have been told that I can squeeze a quarter > until the eagle screams. > > John > > From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Oct 15 08:08:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83395 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 15:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 15:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 15:08:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 15:08:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:08:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Do we have to hear this? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 972 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g Kevin, if it was my supposedly calling Powell "cheap" that has you upset, I would point out that it was Powell himself that said he was "cheap", I was simply agreeing with him, as it is clear to me that "DSL" has nothing to do with his problem, leaving only "cheap" as a valid reason among those he supplied. In any case Powell is a big boy, more than able to defend himself. I think you are just bitter because IBOC is set to replace C-Quam. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin wrote: > Kevin Tekel, > > Do we have to endure this on the list? > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona > > On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 01:27 AM, > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > > You are welcome Powell, but "DSL" has nothing to do with it, I make do > > with a 10 year old computer, and a 14.4 kb modem. It's because you > > are cheap, although I have been told that I can squeeze a quarter > > until the eagle screams. > > > > John > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 08:45:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92578 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 15:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 15:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 15:45:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 15:45:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:45:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Do we have to hear this? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 803 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kevin, if it was my supposedly calling Powell "cheap" that has you > upset, I would point out that it was Powell himself that said he was > "cheap", I was simply agreeing with him, as it is clear to me that > "DSL" has nothing to do with his problem, leaving only "cheap" as a > valid reason among those he supplied. John, please... leave the "spin" to the politicians and talk show hosts. Your intentions are always clear to us, regardless of how you may sugar-coat your words. > I think you are just bitter because IBOC is set to replace C-Quam. Then why did you just go through the trouble to secure a last-second winning bid on the MCS tuner? Are you actually going to use and enjoy its AM Stereo capability, or did you merely conspire to snatch it away from a fellow group member? From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Oct 15 09:02:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28710 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 16:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 16:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 16:02:23 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:02:23 -0600 Message-ID: <004801c39335$b8553ed0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D stations Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:02:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welp, explain THIS one to me, guys. Was in Salt Lake City yesterday. Brought along my SRF-A1 and my SRF-42. On both walkmans (walkMEN?) when I tune in KKDS 1060, I get most of the audio on the right channel. Hardly anything in the left. On the A1 walkman, I flip the switch to Kahn mode and it's perfect mono in both channels. No separation anywhere on anything but really odd that in C-quam mode, their audio is only in the right. What the heck could be up with THAT??? I've heard all over the place that KKDS is powerside and when they were AM Stereo, they were kahn. I could swear that I remember being in Salt Lake city some time after 1994 (when C-quam was mandated) and seeing the stereo indicator on my car radio (c-quam only). It was when they were running the radio ahhs format. (hence the KKDS calls...k-kids). So I think they DO have a motorola exciter and maybe even it's still on right now with no pilot but most audio being sent to the right channel. I don't think they've gotten the CAM-D equipment in yet but I'll be checking from time to time. I've tried emailing them and I've never gotten any responses from them so I'm not going to bother. Meanwhile I also emailed KRVN-Lexington, NB yesterday asking about the CAM-D testing and status. No response yet from them but will keep all posted if I do get one. They were coming in nicely last night but I forgot to check them for CAM-D when I got home. KRVN has always been powerside and it is very pronounced on my A1 walkman when in Kahn mode. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: bta_50g To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 2:36 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D stations --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" < michaelj@v...> wrote: > This will be fun. Are we absolutely sure that when a station is > running CAM-D that you'll be able to hear it with a multi-system > radio? Why not? From the submission Kahn made to the FCC, it sounds like "CAM-D" is the Kahn ISB system with some added digital carriers at the edges. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 09:41:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9292 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 16:41:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 16:41:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 16:41:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 16:41:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:41:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c39305$d4e19920$94e1fea9@DBY1VT21> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2754 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Wow... all the way from Oklahoma City, OK (USA) to New Zealand... and I have a hard time hearing them on my SRF-42 in San Diego, CA... And being on the pacific west coast, you'd think I'd expect to be able to hear some east asian stations. What frequencies should I try? My Panasonic RQ-SW20 (almost as sensitive as the SRF-42 but I don't think it's quite as selective) can switch to a 9KHz tuning. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Luis Guerra" wrote: > Hi Group, > I've heard dx reports of U.S. stations being heard in Europe, New Zealand > and > Australia but I've yet to hear reports of their stations heard here in the > states. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Davidson" > To: "amstereoforum" > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:36 AM > Subject: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX > > > > > > This is a DX report from Melbourne. > > > > I have a tape recorded in Napier NZ of KOMA (what great call letters) > > several years ago with alot of fading in and out but all audio in stereo. > > > > Is KOMA still in stereo? > > > > NZ Michael - you should subscribe to the greyline DX list - it's very > > quiet but good value. > > > > Ian > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: greylinedx@r... > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Here is the recent AM DX that has been received from my location here in > > Melbourne Vic Australia: > > > > Times (UTC+10): > > > > 06/10/2003 > > (AM) 1945-1955 1460KHZ KHRA HONOLULU HWA > > > > 07/10/2003-13/10/2003 > > NOTHING > > > > 14/10/2003 > > (AM) 1935-1955 1580KHZ KMIK TEMPE AZ USA > > 1935-1855 1580KHZ KBLA SANTA MONICA CA USA > > (U/KMIK) > > 1955-2020 1520KHZ KOMA OKLAHOMA CITY OK USA > > 2010-2020 1460KHZ KHRA HONOLULU HWA > > > > KMIK was exceptionally good last night (14/10/03). KBLA in Spanish was > also > > mixing with KMIK, with KMIK being the predominant signal. KMIK identified > > both as "Radio Disney" and "KMIK Tempe Phoenix". I think I may have also > > caught a frequency announcement. KOMA was heard a weak levels with talk > and > > it was the first time since the 1980's that I have heard it. KHRA came > > through at very weak levels with Korean language. > > > > Also on 14/10/03, BFO tones were noted on: 1150kHz, 1160kHz, 1470kHz, > > 1490kHz, 1540kHz, 1550kHz, 1560kHz, 1570kHz and 1670kHz from here in > > Melbourne Vic. Unfortunately, not strong enough to resolve audio. That's > all > > the news to date. Until next time > > > > Regards > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 09:58:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76855 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 16:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 16:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 16:58:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 16:58:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:58:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CAM-D stations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004801c39335$b8553ed0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 637 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > No separation anywhere on anything but really odd that in C-quam > mode, their audio is only in the right. What the heck could be up > with THAT??? I'd bet that for whatever reason, KKDS is using a C-Quam AM Stereo exciter with only the right channel hooked up. 540 WLIE on Long Island operated in a similar manner for several months this year, with audio only in the Left channel when listening in C-Quam mode (no pilot tone, either). I even e-mailed them and their engineer pleaded ignorance, saying WLIE has no AM Stereo equipment. But I guess he figured it out sooner or later, because WLIE is now back to plain mono. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 10:16:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46286 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 17:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 17:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 17:16:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 17:16:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:16:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c39305$d4e19920$94e1fea9@DBY1VT21> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 357 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.188 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Luis Guerra" wrote: > Hi Group, > I've heard dx reports of U.S. stations being heard in Europe, New Zealand > and > Australia but I've yet to hear reports of their stations heard here in the > states. Other than LW, I haven't DXed Europe on MW. My best DX is Korea and Japan. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 10:28:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25886 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 17:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 17:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 17:28:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 17:28:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:28:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1126 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.188 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Wow... all the way from Oklahoma City, OK (USA) to New Zealand... and > I have a hard time hearing them on my SRF-42 in San Diego, CA... Not impossible, depending on the angle of the beam, and how many "hops" from bouncing off the ionosphere. :) And yes, RF does reflect off the ionosphere in the day time, but is too close to the surface to create any real regional DX, but it reflects nicely for long hops- My Japanese DX was from a local-daytime transmission. Grayline is also a fun way to DX. :) > And being on the pacific west coast, you'd think I'd expect to be able > to hear some east asian stations. What frequencies should I try? My > Panasonic RQ-SW20 (almost as sensitive as the SRF-42 but I don't think > it's quite as selective) can switch to a 9KHz tuning. I don't remember what the Korean station was, but the Japanese stations I did DX were on 828 and 1008. Due to the way AM is now, it's just not worth it-- I need something very directional to really do that kind of DX, today. :/ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Oct 15 11:01:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97174 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 18:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 18:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 18:01:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 18:01:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:01:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Do we have to hear this? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2688 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.63 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Kevin, if it was my supposedly calling Powell "cheap" that has you > > upset, I would point out that it was Powell himself that said he > > was "cheap", I was simply agreeing with him, as it is clear to me > > that "DSL" has nothing to do with his problem, leaving only > > "cheap" as a valid reason among those he supplied. > > John, please... leave the "spin" to the politicians and talk show > hosts. Your intentions are always clear to us, regardless of how > you may sugar-coat your words. Kevin, putting words that weren't there in the mouths of people you don't like is simply a nasty little game that you like to play. If my intentions were so clear to you, why don't you let us all know what they were, I surely don't have a clue what you are ranting about? By your silence you simply expose your little game for what it is. I will say it again, my "intention" with my response to Powell was to point out that "DSL" is not necessary to make a last minute bid on eBay, nothing more, nothing less. While I am on the subject, I feel that it is stupid to bid in an eBay auction other than at the last minute, unless it is inconvenient or impossible for some reason. In this case I had decided on my maximum bid many days previously and was simply waiting till the last minute to submit it, as is my custom. There have been at least four MCS 3050's on eBay in the last couple of weeks, one of them I didn't bid on because the only form of payment accepted was one of the payment services that I don't use, another one went above what I planned on biding, before the end of the auction, and I forget what the problem was with the third one. This was the first recent auction for an MCS 3050 that fit my bidding criteria. > > I think you are just bitter because IBOC is set to replace C-Quam. > > Then why did you just go through the trouble to secure a last-second > winning bid on the MCS tuner? Are you actually going to use and > enjoy its AM Stereo capability, or did you merely conspire to snatch > it away from a fellow group member? First as I stated above, I always bid at the last minute unless it is inconvenient or impossible for some reason, and yes, I only bid on this particular tuner to snatch it away from a fellow group member, to prevent him from using and enjoying its AM stereo capability. Did you give Douglas such a hard time because he snatched one away from fellow group members? In his case it was an even more egregious sin since he already owns a Fan-Fare AM stereo tuner and hardly needs an MCS 3050, and I wanted that one. John From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 11:02:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92743 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 18:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 18:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 18:02:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20031015180237.34753.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.103] by web60104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:02:37 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Do we have to hear this? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > Kevin, if it was my supposedly calling Powell > "cheap" that has you > upset, I would point out that it was Powell himself > that said he was > "cheap", I was simply agreeing with him, as it is > clear to me that > "DSL" has nothing to do with his problem, leaving > only "cheap" as a > valid reason among those he supplied. I'm frugal. I can be cheap and also waste money. BUT, it was the WAY you did it. I had mentioned that I had bid on it. > In any case Powell is a big boy, more than able to > defend himself. > > I think you are just bitter because IBOC is set to > replace C-Quam. > John OOOOEEEEE! ( he says jumping up and down ) a gratuitous slam! Here's mine. If that's so then IBOC on MW will end the band. For IBOC to remotely work, 75% and maybe even 90% of the current stations need to go away. As for our VHF band make it 50%. And then it will be very shaky. I have no desire to listen to an extremely compressed low data rata digital radio with shaky real world performance. And no, I don't consider WOR a good test. They don't have a lot of signals on the air, have a good coverage, and they are the only one on the frequency with digital. The WSAI night time tests and daytimes test show the real problem. And then if a new much better codec or update comes along, then the radios are toast a couple years down the line? I'm not against digital, but killing the baby and then throwing out the bathwater is not it. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 11:18:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88016 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 18:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 18:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 18:18:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20031015181808.91348.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.103] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:18:08 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Do we have to hear this? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > > I will say it again, my "intention" with my response > to Powell was to > point out that "DSL" is not necessary to make a last > minute bid on > eBay, nothing more, nothing less. While I am on the > subject, I feel > that it is stupid to bid in an eBay auction other > than at the last > minute, unless it is inconvenient or impossible for > some reason. I generally do so fairly close to the end, but not at THE last minute. I lost out on something once because the ISP went bits up off line as I bid. And I had planned to go to bed, and according to Ebay the bid was placed with 00 minutes left. > In > this case I had decided on my maximum bid many days > previously and was > simply waiting till the last minute to submit it, as > is my custom. > There have been at least four MCS 3050's on eBay in > the last couple of > weeks, one of them I didn't bid on because the only > form of payment > accepted was one of the payment services that I > don't use, another one > went above what I planned on biding, before the end > of the auction, > and I forget what the problem was with the third > one. This was the > first recent auction for an MCS 3050 that fit my > bidding criteria. > > > > I think you are just bitter because IBOC is set > to replace C-Quam. > > > > Then why did you just go through the trouble to > secure a last-second > > winning bid on the MCS tuner? Are you actually > going to use and > > enjoy its AM Stereo capability, or did you merely > conspire to snatch > > it away from a fellow group member? > > First as I stated above, I always bid at the last > minute unless it is > inconvenient or impossible for some reason, and yes, > I only bid on > this particular tuner to snatch it away from a > fellow group member, to > prevent him from using and enjoying its AM stereo > capability. Well, John, I would NOT have done that to you. I do have other AM stereo radios and 3 SRF 42's. But I wanted something that had decent FM. I also want a tuner that has RDS, but just finding a TUNER is getting hard to do. I'm on the FM Tuners list as John knows, and so many of the "good ones" are out of my range, and the other problem is, something 20 +++ years old or more, well then we get into bad caps etc, and I just don't feel like having to rebuild something. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Oct 15 11:45:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45369 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 18:45:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 18:45:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 18:45:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 18:45:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:45:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Do we have to hear this? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 270 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "big_h00pla" X-Originating-IP: 207.173.147.247 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" < jbyrns@r...> wrote: > > I think you are just bitter because IBOC is set to replace C- Quam. John, I think you have an agenda to cause problems. I still wonder why we have to endure this stuff? Kevin Mesa Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Oct 15 11:50:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31222 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 18:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 18:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 18:50:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 18:50:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:50:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Isn't this enough yet? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 478 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "big_h00pla" X-Originating-IP: 207.173.147.247 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" < > First as I stated above, I always bid at the last minute unless it > is inconvenient or impossible for some reason, and yes, I only > bid on this particular tuner to snatch it away from a fellow > group member, to prevent him from using and enjoying its AM > stereo capability. Well, this says a lot and should start a real smokin hot flame war. Now can you see what John Byrns is all about? Kevin Mesa, Arizona From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Oct 15 13:05:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83498 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 20:05:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 20:05:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 20:05:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 20:05:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:05:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Isn't this enough yet? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1457 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" < > > First as I stated above, I always bid at the last minute unless it > > is inconvenient or impossible for some reason, and yes, I only > > bid on this particular tuner to snatch it away from a fellow > > group member, to prevent him from using and enjoying its AM > > stereo capability. > I think IBOC John was just being a tad sarcastic. I think he really wanted the tuner, as he knows that CQUAM really is the "bee's knees". The fact that this is tuner #4 he bid on speaks to that. No matter how much IBOC is touted, we know it won't succeed. It is a flawed system. Eureka 147 L Band DAB is a superior system, albeit teribly short range. Yet it [DAB] is going over like a lead balloon here in Canada. I've said it before, I'll say it again - CQUAM is about as dead as tubes - anyone who has access to the net knows that tubes are certainly not dead - just don't expect them at Futureshop or Best Buy. I'm afraid CQUAM will never be a mass market hit, but its not going away, it has a "cult" following because for certain people, in certain places, AM has major advantages over FM and yes, some people do listen to music on AM. Here in Canada, that's primarily oldies, C&W, and increasingly, adult standards. Comparitively little private talk radio here - because we have the CBC, and CBC Radio One gives lots of talk, some of it actually worth listening to. Phil R. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 13:12:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68039 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 20:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 20:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41211.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 20:12:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20031015201223.36540.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41211.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:12:23 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good NZ ones to try are 1035 ZB Wellington, ZB Auckland 1080, 1YA 756 Auckland andthe 2 high powered ones 657 Southern Star Wellington and 2YA Wellington on 567 . I once went to Perth WA and recieved 2ZB 1035 quite clearly to recognise what the ads were on about and catch some of the "plot" of the talkback.All these boom across to Australia and heard all these on the Gold Coast there-whether they get to the USA I am not sure. Michael pianoplayer88key wrote: Wow... all the way from Oklahoma City, OK (USA) to New Zealand... and I have a hard time hearing them on my SRF-42 in San Diego, CA... And being on the pacific west coast, you'd think I'd expect to be able to hear some east asian stations. What frequencies should I try? Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Oct 15 13:50:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9011 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 20:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 20:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 20:50:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 20:50:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:50:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031015201223.36540.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 994 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.22.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > Good NZ ones to try are 1035 ZB Wellington, ZB Auckland 1080, 1YA 756 Auckland andthe 2 high powered ones 657 Southern Star Wellington and 2YA Wellington on 567 . > I once went to Perth WA and recieved 2ZB 1035 quite clearly to recognise what the ads were on about and catch some of the "plot" of the talkback.All these boom across to Australia and heard all these on the Gold Coast there-whether they get to the USA I am not sure. > I was listening to the Broome Javaradio and heard 3MP coming in a few days ago. I've uploaded a recording of it to the files section of the 'skywaves' yahoo group. There was a VK2 (Sydney) ham on also DX'ing at the time, freqs heard were 3ME on 1566, ABC 1548 (location?) 3LG 774, 98FM 1512 and others also Indonisia on 1107 This JR is great for MW DX I find, shame Kai (op) does not have a HI audio option to take advantage of Oz's Wideband AM stations! From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Oct 15 13:55:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41988 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 20:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 20:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 20:55:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 20:55:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:55:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Oz AM DX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 330 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.22.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > This is a DX report from Melbourne. > > I have a tape recorded in Napier NZ of KOMA (what great call letters) > several years ago with alot of fading in and out but all audio in stereo. > Can you record it as an MP3 and upload to the group Ian ? From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 14:04:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80238 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 21:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 21:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 21:04:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20031015210417.71483.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:04:17 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whats the url of it please?Does it cost? Dave wrote: I was listening to the Broome Javaradio and heard 3MP coming in a few days ago. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Oct 15 14:40:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59101 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 21:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 21:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 21:40:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 21:40:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:40:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031015210417.71483.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 610 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.22.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross=20 wrote: > Whats the url of it please?Does it cost? >=20 > Dave wrote: >=20=20=20 > I was listening to the Broome Javaradio and heard 3MP coming in a=20 > few days ago.=20 >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yes it's =A315/=A325 a year depending on membership class so only join=20 if this is your type of thing. Tune any freq between LW - 1300MHz=20 all modes on most radio's www.javaradio.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 15:15:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18648 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 22:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 22:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 22:15:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 22:15:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:15:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Oz AM DX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031015201223.36540.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1607 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Ought to be an interesting challenge. I have a 63-watt 1040 approx 11.22 miles and 24.21=B0 counter-clockwise from west of me, a 50,000-watt 1090 approx 24.57 miles and 19.09=B0 clockwise from south of me, a 50,000-watt 1070 approx 111.01 miles and 1.49=B0 counter-clockwise from northwest of me, and a 50,000-watt 760 approx 7.27mi and 5.65=B0 clockwise of northwest of me. Strongest one close to 567 would be KLAC Los Angeles on 570, and strongest ones around mid 600s would be KFI 640 Los Angeles and KTNN 660 Window Rock, AZ, both 50,000 watts. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: >=20 > Good NZ ones to try are 1035 ZB Wellington, ZB Auckland 1080, 1YA 756 Auckland andthe 2 high powered ones 657 Southern Star Wellington and 2YA Wellington on 567 . > I once went to Perth WA and recieved 2ZB 1035 quite clearly to recognise what the ads were on about and catch some of the "plot" of the talkback.All these boom across to Australia and heard all these on the Gold Coast there-whether they get to the USA I am not sure. >=20=20 > Michael > pianoplayer88key wrote: > Wow... all the way from Oklahoma City, OK (USA) to New Zealand... and > I have a hard time hearing them on my SRF-42 in San Diego, CA... >=20 > And being on the pacific west coast, you'd think I'd expect to be able > to hear some east asian stations. What frequencies should I try?=20 >=20 > Michael&Ross >=20 > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 15:31:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17243 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 22:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 22:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 22:31:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20031015223115.44530.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:31:15 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: 1040AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As for 1040AM I am trying to get a religious station KLHT Honolulu 10kw (on= ly because the ministers over-modulate the mics) as they yell! so it should= be easy to discern it -I could here noise associated with it last night bu= t couldnt hear the talking as 1035 really comes in strong here at night(its= nearly 400 miles as the crow flies here and is just audible in the day on = ie Sony Srf 300.I 'll keep persevering perhaps an US station may come in on= MW. =20 Michael pianoplayer88key wrote: Ought to be an interesting challenge. I have a 63-watt 1040 approx 11.22 miles and 24.21=B0 counter-clockwise from west of me, a --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Wed Oct 15 16:02:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60522 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 23:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 23:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 23:02:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 23:02:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:02:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CAM-D stations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004801c39335$b8553ed0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 721 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Welp, explain THIS one to me, guys. Was in Salt Lake City yesterday. Brought along my SRF-A1 and my SRF-42. On both walkmans (walkMEN?) when I tune in KKDS 1060, I get most of the audio on the right channel. Hardly anything in the left. On the A1 walkman, I flip the switch to Kahn mode and it's perfect mono in both channels. No separation anywhere on anything but really odd that in C-quam mode, their audio is only in the right. What the heck could be up with THAT??? > Michael n WYO > ----- Original Message ----- Could be incidental phase modulation. One of my local stations KEDO 1400 comes in the same way From dav259@csiro.au Wed Oct 15 16:08:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3580 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 23:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 23:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 23:08:44 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9FN8gBG000017 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:08:43 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:08:42 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX In-Reply-To: <20031015101009.74116.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Michael and Ross wrote: > Thanks Ian I used to be on that list but after an isp change > I couldnt find it. > What freq/where was KOMA? What radio was it recorded on? Don't know what sort of radio but KOMA is from OKLAHOMA city (with those call letters you could almost guess). It's probably on 1520. But you probably can't pick it up now. This was the guy from Napier's message ... In 1994 I recorded here (near Hastings) 2UW, 3EE and KOMA in stereo. If you would like to hear how they sound I can send you a casseette dub. 3EE was best and the separation was quite good. Can't get 3EE anymore as it is blocked by a station in Dunedin. KOMA hardly ever heard now as a NZ station on 1521. Richard Tucker From dav259@csiro.au Wed Oct 15 16:16:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88668 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 23:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 23:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 23:16:34 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9FNGXBG000504 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:16:33 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:16:33 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX In-Reply-To: <001201c39305$d4e19920$94e1fea9@DBY1VT21> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Luis Guerra wrote: > I've heard dx reports of U.S. stations being heard in Europe, > New Zealand and Australia but I've yet to hear reports of their > stations heard here in the states. Kevin in Mesa, AZ has reported hearing 1548 4QD Emerald, Queensland. It's one of the ABC's 50k powerhouses. From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Oct 15 16:21:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31437 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 23:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 23:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 23:21:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 23:21:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:21:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Do we have to hear this? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031015180237.34753.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2700 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < w4opw@y...> wrote: > > --- bta_50g wrote: > > Kevin, if it was my supposedly calling Powell > > "cheap" that has you > > upset, I would point out that it was Powell himself > > that said he was > > "cheap", I was simply agreeing with him, as it is > > clear to me that > > "DSL" has nothing to do with his problem, leaving > > only "cheap" as a > > valid reason among those he supplied. > > I'm frugal. I can be cheap and also waste money. > BUT, it was the WAY you did it. I had mentioned that I > had bid on it. What was wrong with the way I did it, how would you have had me bid on it? > > In any case Powell is a big boy, more than able to > > defend himself. > > > > I think you are just bitter because IBOC is set to > > replace C-Quam. > > OOOOEEEEE! ( he says jumping up and down ) a > gratuitous slam! Well that may not be it, but he clearly harbors some hostilities. > Here's mine. > > If that's so then IBOC on MW will end the band. For > IBOC to remotely work, 75% and maybe even 90% of the > current stations need to go away. Powell, I'm surprised you even mention this, you know I think the MW broadcast band is totally screwed up, and that the allocations need to be totally redone essentially from the ground up. IBOC seems like pretty much the only thing that has a chance of forcing a necessary reallocation. > As for our VHF band > make it 50%. And then it will be very shaky. I have no > desire to listen to an extremely compressed low data > rata digital radio with shaky real world performance. I am not a fan of IBOC on the VHF FM broadcast band, FM is just fine as a modulation scheme. While the FM broadcast band is somewhat overcrowded these days, it is basically healthy, and no where near as screwed up as the MW band. > And no, I don't consider WOR a good test. They don't > have a lot of signals on the air, have a good > coverage, and they are the only one on the frequency > with digital. The WSAI night time tests and daytimes > test show the real problem. My idea would be to reallocate a smaller number of stations in the MW band based on the allocation requirements of the IBOC system. > And then if a new much better codec or update comes > along, then the radios are toast a couple years down > the line? Not necessarily, considerable progress is often made in these systems without changing the receiver which is somewhat generic. The hard problems are in the lossy coder, and there is often room for considerable advancement on the transmitter end of the system, while remaining compatible with the existing receiver base. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Wed Oct 15 16:26:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71469 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 23:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 23:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 23:26:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 23:26:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:26:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Do we have to hear this? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031015181808.91348.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1880 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" < w4opw@y...> wrote: > > --- bta_50g wrote: > > > > I will say it again, my "intention" with my response > > to Powell was to > > point out that "DSL" is not necessary to make a last > > minute bid on > > eBay, nothing more, nothing less. While I am on the > > subject, I feel > > that it is stupid to bid in an eBay auction other > > than at the last > > minute, unless it is inconvenient or impossible for > > some reason. > > I generally do so fairly close to the end, but not at > THE last minute. I lost out on something once because > the ISP went bits up off line as I bid. And I had > planned to go to bed, and according to Ebay the bid > was placed with 00 minutes left. I endeavor to place all eBay bids as close to the end time of the auction as possible. > > First as I stated above, I always bid at the last > > minute unless it is > > inconvenient or impossible for some reason, and yes, > > I only bid on > > this particular tuner to snatch it away from a > > fellow group member, to > > prevent him from using and enjoying its AM stereo > > capability. > > Well, John, I would NOT have done that to you. Would not have done what to me? I hope you realize that the second part of the above sentence was merely a sarcastic response to Kevin's heavy handed comments. > I do > have other AM stereo radios and 3 SRF 42's. But I > wanted something that had decent FM. Are you saying that the MCS 3050 is considered to be a good FM tuner? > I also want a > tuner that has RDS, but just finding a TUNER is > getting hard to do. Interesting, I didn't realize the MCS 3050 had RDS? > I'm on the FM Tuners list as John > knows, and so many of the "good ones" are out of my > range, Seems to me I saw them ridiculing the MCS 3050 over there a couple of weeks ago. John From bratina501@msn.com Wed Oct 15 16:27:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23538 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 23:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 23:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 23:27:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2003 23:27:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:27:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > > Kevin in Mesa, AZ has reported hearing 1548 4QD Emerald, Queensland. It's > one of the ABC's 50k powerhouses. Wow! my best catch was KMOX 1120 St Louis, that beats getting a station from the midwest in the pacific northwest by a longshot! From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 16:28:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98602 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 23:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2003 23:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2003 23:28:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20031015232819.19440.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:28:19 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian Davidson wrote: Don't know what sort of radio but KOMA is from OKLAHOMA city (with those call letters you could almost guess). It's probably on 1520. But you probably can't pick it up now. We now have a semi local playing "oldies" on 1521 in Tauranga only 1kw butit can get blocked by noise and Australia stations at night This was the guy from Napier's message ... In 1994 I recorded here (near Hastings) 2UW, 3EE and KOMA in stereo. If you would like to hear how they sound I can send you a casseette dub. 3EE was best and the separation was quite good. Can't get 3EE anymore as it is blocked by a station in Dunedin. KOMA hardly ever heard now as a NZ station on 1521. Richard Tucker Yes that Dunedin station is a pain -has sports on it 24/7 We get it clear at night unfortunately as it stops/interfers a clear signal of Magic diabling the stereo separation of that "classic AMS station" as Magic is the only "clear" AMS station we can get at night Michael Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! 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Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 17:33:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56861 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 00:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 00:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 00:33:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2003 00:33:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:33:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: 1040AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031015223115.44530.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2548 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key WOW! FOUR HUNDRED MILES??? That's pretty good distance. :) I have a tough time getting stations more than >180-200 miles away under normal conditions over water, or 120 miles over land. BTW, stations in the USA are limited to 50kW, with Mexicans limited to 100kW day and 50kW night except for a few grandfathered high-power stations. A few of my daytime DX catches include: 600 KOGO San Diego (5kW) - 300 miles away (listening from Visalia, CA - 50-60 mi S of Fresno, ~100mi N of Bakersfield) 660 KGDP Orcutt, CA (near Santa Maria) - 250 miles away 680 KNBR San Francisco, CA - 500 miles away (a one-time catch, local on 690) 690 XETRA Rosarito, Baja Norte (77kW) - same location as KOGO 760 KFMB San Diego, CA (5kW) - Bakersfield, CA (approx 225 miles away or so) (this station is 50KW at night with a null to the east and good coverage to the west, north, south, etc) 810 KGO San Francisco, CA - 500 miles away (a one-time catch, local on 800) 890 ???? Cabrillo National Monument (San Diego area) - TIS, 15 miles away (not DX but since it's only 10 watts I consider it DX for the power level) 1040 KURS San Diego, CA (listening from San Bernardino Mountains - 130-140 miles away (370 watts non-directional daytime) 1340 K??? Santa Barbara, CA - 180 miles away (1,000 watts, over water) I wonder if you could possibly try 760 (KFMB) and see if you can hear it. their website is www.760kfmb.com if you want to find a program schedule. Their transmitter site is one of the only drive-through directional arrays I know of - two of the 3 towers straddle a semi-major highway on the outskirts of Santee, a suburb of San Diego. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > As for 1040AM I am trying to get a religious station KLHT Honolulu 10kw (only because the ministers over-modulate the mics) as they yell! so it should be easy to discern it -I could here noise associated with it last night but couldnt hear the talking as 1035 really comes in strong here at night(its nearly 400 miles as the crow flies here and is just audible in the day on ie Sony Srf 300.I 'll keep persevering perhaps an US station may come in on MW. >=20=20 > Michael >=20 > pianoplayer88key wrote: > Ought to be an interesting challenge. I have a 63-watt 1040 approx > 11.22 miles and 24.21=B0 counter-clockwise from west of me, a >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 17:34:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59211 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 00:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 00:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 00:34:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2003 00:34:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:34:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 551 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Seeing that I have a 1,000-watt 1550 fairly close by, my chances of catching that one on a walkman seem to be fairly slim. :( --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson > wrote: > > > > > > > Kevin in Mesa, AZ has reported hearing 1548 4QD Emerald, > Queensland. It's > > one of the ABC's 50k powerhouses. > > Wow! my best catch was KMOX 1120 St Louis, that beats getting a > station from the midwest in the pacific northwest by a longshot! From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 17:48:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88024 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 00:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 00:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 00:48:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20031016004818.6901.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.77] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:48:18 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: 1040AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > WOW! FOUR HUNDRED MILES??? That's pretty good > distance. :) I have a > tough time getting stations more than >180-200 miles > away under normal > conditions over water, or 120 miles over land. BTW, > stations in the > USA are limited to 50kW, with Mexicans limited to > 100kW day and 50kW > night except for a few grandfathered high-power > stations. When I was out in the Texas Panhandle ( Wheeler and Shamrock) I could hear the Dallas AM's on a really cheap radio. That's 355 miles. I CAN hear WSB in the daytime here in Columbia SC....and BARELY. Out in Texas the soil conductivity is between 15 and 30. Where I am it is less than 1, more like 0.1 typically. Sea water is 5000. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 17:52:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94141 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 00:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 00:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 00:52:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20031016005238.28994.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.77] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:52:38 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Do we have to hear this? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" < > w4opw@y...> wrote: > > > > --- bta_50g wrote: > > > Kevin, if it was my supposedly calling Powell > > > "cheap" that has you > > > upset, I would point out that it was Powell > himself > > > that said he was > > > "cheap", I was simply agreeing with him, as it > is > > > clear to me that > > > "DSL" has nothing to do with his problem, > leaving > > > only "cheap" as a > > > valid reason among those he supplied. > > > > I'm frugal. I can be cheap and also waste money. > > BUT, it was the WAY you did it. I had mentioned > that I > > had bid on it. > > What was wrong with the way I did it, how would you > have had me bid on > it? If you had let me know that you definately wanted it I would not have bid on it. > > > In any case Powell is a big boy, more than able > to > > > defend himself. > > > > > > I think you are just bitter because IBOC is set > to > > > replace C-Quam. > > > > OOOOEEEEE! ( he says jumping up and down ) a > > gratuitous slam! > > Well that may not be it, but he clearly harbors some > hostilities. > > > Here's mine. > > > > If that's so then IBOC on MW will end the band. > For > > IBOC to remotely work, 75% and maybe even 90% of > the > > current stations need to go away. > Powell, I'm surprised you even mention this, you > know I think the MW > broadcast band is totally screwed up, and that the > allocations need to > be totally redone essentially from the ground up. > IBOC seems like > pretty much the only thing that has a chance of > forcing a necessary > reallocation. IBOC will just destroy it, that's all. > > As for our VHF band > > make it 50%. And then it will be very shaky. I > have no > > desire to listen to an extremely compressed low > data > > rata digital radio with shaky real world > performance. > > I am not a fan of IBOC on the VHF FM broadcast band, > FM is just fine > as a modulation scheme. While the FM broadcast band > is somewhat > overcrowded these days, it is basically healthy, and > no where near as > screwed up as the MW band. Well, um, yes and no. > > And no, I don't consider WOR a good test. They > don't > > have a lot of signals on the air, have a good > > coverage, and they are the only one on the > frequency > > with digital. The WSAI night time tests and > daytimes > > test show the real problem. > > My idea would be to reallocate a smaller number of > stations in the MW > band based on the allocation requirements of the > IBOC system. > > And then if a new much better codec or update > comes > > along, then the radios are toast a couple years > down > > the line? > Not necessarily, considerable progress is often made > in these systems > without changing the receiver which is somewhat > generic. The hard > problems are in the lossy coder, and there is often > room for > considerable advancement on the transmitter end of > the system, while > remaining compatible with the existing receiver > base. There are a LOT of small towns that have good small town radio. Most of these would go away. The FM band is full of automated corporate stations that, honestly are NOT really worth listening to. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 17:54:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8443 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 00:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 00:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 00:54:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20031016005433.23825.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:54:33 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: 1040AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its probably has the null to the E for the "heard about" AMS WJR 760 in New Jersey. I probably would have trouble getting it in Auckland due to a local on 756 here but when I go out of town I could try it then. Michael pianoplayer88key wrote: I wonder if you could possibly try 760 (KFMB) and see if you can hear it. their website is www.760kfmb.com if you want to find a program schedule. Their transmitter site is one of the only drive-through directional arrays I know of - two of the 3 towers straddle a semi-major highway on the outskirts of Santee, a suburb of San Diego. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 17:57:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91233 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 00:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 00:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60107.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 00:57:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20031016005705.12097.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.77] by web60107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:57:05 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Do we have to hear this? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- bta_50g wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" < > w4opw@y...> wrote: > > > > --- bta_50g wrote: > > > > > > I will say it again, my "intention" with my > response > > > to Powell was to > > > point out that "DSL" is not necessary to make a > last > > > minute bid on > > > eBay, nothing more, nothing less. While I am on > the > > > subject, I feel > > > that it is stupid to bid in an eBay auction > other > > > than at the last > > > minute, unless it is inconvenient or impossible > for > > > some reason. > > > > I generally do so fairly close to the end, but not > at > > THE last minute. I lost out on something once > because > > the ISP went bits up off line as I bid. And I had > > planned to go to bed, and according to Ebay the > bid > > was placed with 00 minutes left. > > I endeavor to place all eBay bids as close to the > end time of the > auction as possible. mmm > > > First as I stated above, I always bid at the > last > > > minute unless it is > > > inconvenient or impossible for some reason, and > yes, > > > I only bid on > > > this particular tuner to snatch it away from a > > > fellow group member, to > > > prevent him from using and enjoying its AM > stereo > > > capability. > > > > Well, John, I would NOT have done that to you. > > Would not have done what to me? Sniped. > I hope you realize > that the second > part of the above sentence was merely a sarcastic > response to Kevin's > heavy handed comments. Well, honestly, I REALLY had my doubts. > > I do > > have other AM stereo radios and 3 SRF 42's. But I > > wanted something that had decent FM. > Are you saying that the MCS 3050 is considered to be > a good FM tuner? > > > I also want a > > tuner that has RDS, but just finding a TUNER is > > getting hard to do. > > Interesting, I didn't realize the MCS 3050 had RDS? No it doesn't. BUT the new ONE I found, a Denon was expensive, and Denon has an absolutely HORRID quality control record. I would NOT bid on a Denon AM stereo tuner if I could get it for $1.00. > > I'm on the FM Tuners list as John > > knows, and so many of the "good ones" are out of > my > > range, > > Seems to me I saw them ridiculing the MCS 3050 over > there a couple of > weeks ago. I simply have a hard time in believing the shootouts as to make the statements made, they would have to be listening to the same recordings on the same tuner, and with all the horrid loudness wars on FM, it might be hard to really get an objective idea on "sound". Performance spec wise I guess is straightforward. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Wed Oct 15 18:10:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92622 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 01:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 01:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 01:10:30 -0000 Message-ID: <007e01c39382$fa395a00$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <004801c39335$b8553ed0$5401010a@AM> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D stations Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:06:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude When it comes to experimental technology such as this, it doesn't surprise me the stations are hush-hush on it. I am curious as to the differences between regular Kahn ISB and the CAM-D. Seems to me if it's just a matter of adding those digital carriers on the outer edges of the signal, we could just as easily do that with CQUAM and not make all of our AMS radios obsolete. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" I don't think they've gotten the CAM-D equipment in yet but I'll be checking from time to time. I've tried emailing them and I've never gotten any responses from them so I'm not going to bother. Meanwhile I also emailed KRVN-Lexington, NB yesterday asking about the CAM-D testing and status. No response yet from them but will keep all posted if I do get one. From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Oct 15 18:12:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48528 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 01:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 01:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 01:12:50 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CE59074B3D for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:12:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79FA897D73 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031015211436.0270c610@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:17:04 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: KYW leagle ID that I remember! Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wen was this station stereo! I remember that ID as a kid, it is in my head, I could have sworn and now see that I am right that KYW is indeed in AM Stereo. But why is the Legal ID mono? I don't hear any stereo separation, even though it mentions being in AM Stereo. Which system did it use? IS it still Stereo? John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com DC: JH_Radio on hub: AndreLouis.COM:88 IRC server op on: irc.the-bofh.com on channel #Cutiecat's [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 18:13:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70558 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 01:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 01:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 01:13:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2003 01:13:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:13:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: 1040AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031016005433.23825.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1430 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key WJR is actually Detroit, MI, and yes, I'm sure that's why KFMB is directional at night. One reason I hear why they only have 5kW daytime is because of a 10kW daytime-only religious station (actually licensed to 113 watts at night but doesn't use it) KBRT 740 Avalon, CA (Catalina Island.) KBRT signs off at night, KCBS San Francisco comes booming in, and KFMB powers up to 50kW. On a few occasions, I've heard KFMB using 50kW midday, but unfortunately I was at my normal listening post so I couldn't find out how far away they would be heard. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Its probably has the null to the E for the "heard about" AMS WJR 760 in New Jersey. > I probably would have trouble getting it in Auckland due to a local on 756 here but when I go out of town I could try it then. > Michael > > pianoplayer88key wrote: > I wonder if you could possibly try 760 (KFMB) and see if you can hear > it. their website is www.760kfmb.com if you want to find a program > schedule. Their transmitter site is one of the only drive-through > directional arrays I know of - two of the 3 towers straddle a > semi-major highway on the outskirts of Santee, a suburb of San Diego. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 18:27:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61631 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 01:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 01:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 01:27:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20031016012716.20029.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:27:16 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: 1040AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thats one I been trying to get KCBS 'All News 74' from NZ. I heard that one when I was in the states It had good audio I reckon too as I heard it on my SR. I have learnt a lot about other stations I never heard too thanks to this group. Michael pianoplayer88key wrote: WJR is actually Detroit, MI, and yes, I'm sure that's why KFMB is directional at night. One reason I hear why they only have 5kW daytime is because of a 10kW daytime-only religious station (actually licensed to 113 watts at night but doesn't use it) KBRT 740 Avalon, CA (Catalina Island.) KBRT signs off at night, KCBS San Francisco comes booming in, and KFMB powers up to 50kW. On a few occasions, I've heard KFMB using 50kW midday, but unfortunately I was at my normal listening post so I couldn't find out how far away they would be heard. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 18:50:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60272 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 01:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 01:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 01:50:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20031016015020.28870.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:50:20 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Conductivity To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031016004818.6901.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beccause of the country shape and sea I can just get 3YW 1458AM 2kW in the south Island in the daytime (1/3 of the way down in the South Is) which is about 450miles just as we are orientated to the NW of Westport 3YW and theyre on the westcoast of the south island. NB we 3/4 at the top of the North Island. Michael "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > WOW! FOUR HUNDRED MILES??? That's pretty good >d BARELY. Out in Texas the soil conductivity is between 15 and 30. Where I am it is less than 1, more like 0.1 typically. Sea water is 5000. Powell --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Wed Oct 15 19:01:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77869 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 02:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 02:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 02:01:15 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 54B2075782 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB089897D56 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031015220248.00a0f318@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:04:40 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KYW leagle ID that I remember! In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031015211436.0270c610@pop.GameBox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pays to look at the Mp3 tag. C-Quam, July, 1997. Though for how long was it in stereo, when did it start, and when did it end and why did it end? Very cool! Why is the ID in mono though? At 09:17 PM 10/15/2003 -0400, you wrote: >wen was this station stereo! >I remember that ID as a kid, it is in my head, I could have sworn and now see that I am right that KYW is indeed in AM Stereo. >But why is the Legal ID mono? >I don't hear any stereo separation, even though it mentions being in AM Stereo. >Which system did it use? >IS it still Stereo? > > > > >John > >Bensalem, PA > >Send me an email > >Aim: RainAngelsRule > >MSN: > >RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com > >DC: JH_Radio on hub: AndreLouis.COM:88 > >IRC server op on: irc.the-bofh.com on channel #Cutiecat's > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com DC: JH_Radio on hub: AndreLouis.COM:88 IRC server op on: irc.the-bofh.com on channel #Cutiecat's [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 19:14:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8917 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 02:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 02:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12809.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.136) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 02:14:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20031016021418.8391.qmail@web12809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.68.15] by web12809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:14:18 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: MCS 3050 tuner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I simply have a hard time in believing the shootouts > as to make the statements made, they would have to be > listening to the same recordings on the same tuner, > and with all the horrid loudness wars on FM, it might > be hard to really get an objective idea on "sound". > Performance spec wise I guess is straightforward. The MCS 3050 is thoroughly average on FM; not good or bad, just average. It's not the DXing champion on FM like it is on AM, but with a good antenna, it's more than acceptable. The MCS doesn't offer any kind of noise or multipath reduction features on FM; it's just a simple, straightforward FM Stereo tuner circuit, as typical for the mid-1980s when it was built. And you have to remember, it's a J.C. PENNEY-brand tuner... so you can't expect it to perform like a McKay Dymek or Day Sequerra! It *is* exceptionally good on AM, though, and at least for me, that's the whole attraction. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 19:20:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67027 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 02:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 02:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12810.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.137) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 02:20:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20031016022016.81064.qmail@web12810.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.68.15] by web12810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:20:15 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: 1060 KYW legal ID To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 1060 KYW broadcast in AM Stereo until about 1998. Until a few months before they shut off the stereo, their legal ID mentioned "...serving Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware, in AM Stereo". Eventually they dropped the "in AM Stereo" part; I asked them about it, and they said it was dropped in order to make the ID a few seconds shorter. The recording of this ID that you can download is in mono, because that's the only version I have that's good quality. Somewhere in my cassette collection I have their ID recorded off the air in AM Stereo, but at my location in NJ (in the "null" of their signal), they suffer from a poor signal, so it sounds a bit garbled. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 19:23:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72861 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 02:23:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 02:23:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41004.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.3) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 02:23:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20031016022330.17200.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.50.30] by web41004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:23:30 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} good news from Florida?? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4f.35746396.2cbc5abb@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio For awhile they were pilot only as WKLN. (904) 824-0833. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 20:00:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14040 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 03:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 03:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 03:00:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2003 03:00:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:55:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1060 KYW legal ID Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031016022016.81064.qmail@web12810.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1089 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Although I wasn't the original poster in this thread, I'd like to hear it anyway. I sometimes listen to stations that I have to almost literally pull out from under the noise. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > 1060 KYW broadcast in AM Stereo until about 1998. Until a few months > before they shut off the stereo, their legal ID mentioned "...serving > Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware, in AM Stereo". Eventually they > dropped the "in AM Stereo" part; I asked them about it, and they said it > was dropped in order to make the ID a few seconds shorter. > > The recording of this ID that you can download is in mono, because that's > the only version I have that's good quality. Somewhere in my cassette > collection I have their ID recorded off the air in AM Stereo, but at my > location in NJ (in the "null" of their signal), they suffer from a poor > signal, so it sounds a bit garbled. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 20:10:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28051 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 03:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 03:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 03:10:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2003 03:10:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:10:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: 1040AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 839 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.245.188 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > WOW! FOUR HUNDRED MILES??? That's pretty good distance. :) I have a > tough time getting stations more than >180-200 miles away under normal > conditions over water, or 120 miles over land. BTW, stations in the > USA are limited to 50kW, with Mexicans limited to 100kW day and 50kW > night except for a few grandfathered high-power stations. 400 miles? I have done daytime DX that was 2-3x that, including 690 CBC-1 of Vancouver, 670 KBOI of Boise Idaho, a country station in some town halfway between Calgary and Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, as well as 1660 from the Salt Lake City area. And yes, that's just daytime DX, and not counting Seattle, Portland, San Francisco (KGO, KNBR and KCBS) and at least once, KFI. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Oct 15 22:11:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82828 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 05:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 05:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO symler1.mail.eds.com) (207.169.189.141) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 05:11:07 -0000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (symlir1.mail.eds.com [192.85.216.71]) by symler1.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9G5B6NS009444 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:11:06 +1000 Received: from symlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9G5B6g05251 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:11:06 +1000 Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by symlir1.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9G5B6x05237 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:11:06 +1000 Received: by ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <4WKJJ0H3>; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:11:06 +1000 Message-ID: <33CDDBD8CAEFEB4191ABF6F799032AF202F47210@aubwm206> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D stations Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:11:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 I think that's the problem we have with the Harris MW-1A at i1197 - when I use my SRF-A1 I'm getting the same problem - most of the audio is in one channel. Hopefully the IPM can be reduced with a bit of tweaking. I'm going to ask on the Radio-Tech list about the AM Stereo modification kit for the MW-1A Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: bratina501 [mailto:bratina501@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2003 9:02 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: CAM-D stations --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Welp, explain THIS one to me, guys. Was in Salt Lake City yesterday. Brought along my SRF-A1 and my SRF-42. On both walkmans (walkMEN?) when I tune in KKDS 1060, I get most of the audio on the right channel. Hardly anything in the left. On the A1 walkman, I flip the switch to Kahn mode and it's perfect mono in both channels. No separation anywhere on anything but really odd that in C-quam mode, their audio is only in the right. What the heck could be up with THAT??? > Michael n WYO > ----- Original Message ----- Could be incidental phase modulation. One of my local stations KEDO 1400 comes in the same way From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 22:40:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35155 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 05:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 05:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 05:40:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2003 05:40:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:40:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: 1040AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1801 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key ok, ok, what were the weather conditions, and what radio/antenna setup were you using? For me, I was generally using a portable radio with, in most cases, a Select-A-Tenna which I don't have now, or in some cases the built-in antenna, on anything ranging from an older Zenith portable AM radio to a mid-90s model Panasonic Shockwave digital AM/FM with cassette (RQ-SW10 and RQ-SW20, which I have now) and Sony SRF-42. What's the best daytime DX (or nighttime DX) you've gotten with a walkman or other portable radio using only the built-in antenna? You may use other non-tuned devices like power poles with a ground wire running down them, or a chain link fence, or things like that to aid in reception for this one. :) BTW, I can't remember if you posted and said your approximate location... Can you DX any TIS stations from San Diego area? ;) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > WOW! FOUR HUNDRED MILES??? That's pretty good distance. :) I > have a > > tough time getting stations more than >180-200 miles away under > normal > > conditions over water, or 120 miles over land. BTW, stations in the > > USA are limited to 50kW, with Mexicans limited to 100kW day and 50kW > > night except for a few grandfathered high-power stations. > > 400 miles? I have done daytime DX that was 2-3x that, including 690 > CBC-1 of Vancouver, 670 KBOI of Boise Idaho, a country station in > some town halfway between Calgary and Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, as > well as 1660 from the Salt Lake City area. And yes, that's just > daytime DX, and not counting Seattle, Portland, San Francisco (KGO, > KNBR and KCBS) and at least once, KFI. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 08:45:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55245 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 15:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 15:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 15:45:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20031016154501.92567.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.121] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:45:01 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: best daytime DX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > What's the best daytime DX (or nighttime DX) you've > gotten with a > walkman or other portable radio using only the > built-in antenna? You > may use other non-tuned devices like power poles > with a ground wire > running down them, or a chain link fence, or things > like that to aid > in reception for this one. :) When I was in the Texas Panhandle the Dallas 50K ( and 570 ) were all listenable at 355 miles on a very cheap portable that had no aid. Last winter one day WSAI in Cincinnati ( I am in South Carolina) was listenable all day, and even on a portable. I called the CC Regional Engineer Paul Jellison to let him hear it. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Oct 16 10:50:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94761 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 17:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 17:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 17:50:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2003 17:50:22 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75410 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 17:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 17:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 17:26:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2003 17:26:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:26:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2343 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Oct 2003 17:50:21 -0000 Good point, it was a poor choice of words on my part, I meant to ask "how does an antenna system generate incidental phase modulation (IPM)?" The thought being that an antenna system can't cause IPM all by itself, barring some problem like corroded joints or other hardware. We used to have these neat gadgets that connected between the output of a communications transmitter and the antenna, and sent any reflected power coming back from the antenna into a load resistor rather than into the transmitter, so the transmitter always thought it was feeding a "50 Ohm" load no matter what was going on with the antenna, too bad they don't make a device like that for AM broadcast transmitters. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > If the antenna system were to have high VSWR on the sidebands, the > energy being sent back into the PA stage will have the effect of > raising the IPM. Bottom line is that the transmitter will interfere > with itself, and you won't be able to make the stereo perform. > > TR > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > > > This would be similar to tuning for minimum L-R from the stereo > > > > monitor, when the transmitter is feed with a L+R signal. > > > > > > Exactly -- but the point is, a mono station with a mono > modulation > > > monitor wouldn't be able to fine-tune their transmitter in this > > > manner. Therefore, even mono stations can benefit by having an > > > AM Stereo mod monitor on hand and using it to help adjust their > > > transmitter and antenna system for the least amount of incidental > > > phase modulation (IPM). > > > > Not exactly, my ultimate point was that a mono station should be > able > > to avail itself of this tuning trick without the necessity of > owning a > > fancy stereo monitor. All that should be required is a suitable PM > or > > FM receiver that can tune to the stations frequency. A resourceful > > engineer could build one of these out of a couple of ICs, and a > > handful of passive parts. Add an AM detector and you can display > it > > on a scope. > > > > One question, how does an antenna system cause incidental phase > > modulation (IPM)? > > > > John From tech.stevea@talk21.com Thu Oct 16 11:05:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tech.stevea@talk21.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44585 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 18:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 18:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 18:05:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2003 18:05:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:05:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CQUAM stereo decoding Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 423 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radham12000" X-Originating-IP: 213.120.56.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122676098 X-Yahoo-Profile: radham12000 I am looking to develop / build an AM stereo decoder, for 455kHz. 1. Can anyone point to a reference of how to decode CQUAM using standard RF building blocks (eg. multipliers, PLLs, filters). 2. Motorola seemed to make IC CQUAM stereo decoders (MC13320, MC13322, MC13328). Does anyone know if these are still available, and if so, WTB? 3. Does anyone have any datasheets on the chips mentioned above? Cheers, Steve A From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 11:07:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65075 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 18:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 18:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 18:07:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20031016180728.23072.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:07:28 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} best daytime DX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031016154501.92567.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many years ago my aunt and uncle used to listen to the "live" horse races from Wellington and there was no networking done in the late 60's and early 70's(I was only a young boy at the time) and used this crossed shape of wood with about 8 turns of wire on it and a small tuning capacitor and it used to bring in totally impossible day stations in loud and clear with every possible MW NZ station during the day was able to be pickedup -It was fun to play with the radio then. Michael "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: When I was in the Texas Panhandle the Dallas 50K ( and 570 ) were all listenable at 355 miles on a very cheap portable that had no aid. Last winter one day WSAI in Cincinnati ( I am in South Carolina) was listenable all day, and even on a portable. I called the CC Regional Engineer Paul Jellison to let him hear it. Powell --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From krichards@wor710.com Thu Oct 16 14:55:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: krichards@wor710.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28225 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 21:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 21:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 21:55:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2003 21:55:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:55:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo good for mono AM's as well? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kerry Richards" X-Originating-IP: 162.83.183.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136545831 X-Yahoo-Profile: kerryrichards710 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > Good point, it was a poor choice of words on my part, I meant to ask > "how does an antenna system generate incidental phase modulation > (IPM)?" The thought being that an antenna system can't cause IPM all > by itself, barring some problem like corroded joints or other > hardware. We used to have these neat gadgets that connected between > the output of a communications transmitter and the antenna, and sent > any reflected power coming back from the antenna into a load resistor > rather than into the transmitter, so the transmitter always thought it > was feeding a "50 Ohm" load no matter what was going on with the > antenna, too bad they don't make a device like that for AM broadcast > transmitters. > > John > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ray" wrote: > > If the antenna system were to have high VSWR on the sidebands, the > > energy being sent back into the PA stage will have the effect of > > raising the IPM. Bottom line is that the transmitter will interfere > > with itself, and you won't be able to make the stereo perform. > > > > TR > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > > wrote: > > > > > This would be similar to tuning for minimum L-R from the stereo > > > > > monitor, when the transmitter is feed with a L+R signal. > > > > > > > > Exactly -- but the point is, a mono station with a mono > > modulation > > > > monitor wouldn't be able to fine-tune their transmitter in this > > > > manner. Therefore, even mono stations can benefit by having an > > > > AM Stereo mod monitor on hand and using it to help adjust their > > > > transmitter and antenna system for the least amount of incidental > > > > phase modulation (IPM). > > > > > > Not exactly, my ultimate point was that a mono station should be > > able > > > to avail itself of this tuning trick without the necessity of > > owning a > > > fancy stereo monitor. All that should be required is a suitable PM > > or > > > FM receiver that can tune to the stations frequency. A resourceful > > > engineer could build one of these out of a couple of ICs, and a > > > handful of passive parts. Add an AM detector and you can display > > it > > > on a scope. > > > > > > One question, how does an antenna system cause incidental phase > > > modulation (IPM)? > > > > > > John From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Oct 16 15:29:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99033 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 22:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 22:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 22:29:40 -0000 Received: from michael (ppp196.qwest.dsl.vcn.com [209.193.99.197]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:29:40 -0600 To: Subject: Exciter manual Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:29:39 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all Just finished testing a Motorola model 1300 c-quam exciter for Matt Trim in Australia and it's now on its way to him along with a manual. He asked that I make copies of my manual for him so I did. Cost of the copies of the full manual with all schematics came to about $21.00. This manual is actually a COMBO manaul for the Motorola model 1300 exciter AND the model 1310 modulation monitor. I wanted to let you all know so that if anyone wants/needs a copy of the full manual I'll be glad to do it for the cost of the printing plus postage to get it to ya. $21.00 isn't too bad considering it's the whole ball of wax.....schematics and all. Michael J. Richard KEVA Country AM Stereo 1240 Evanston, Wyoming [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Oct 16 16:28:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44536 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 23:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 23:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 23:28:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2003 23:28:25 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72184 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 19:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 19:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 19:33:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2003 19:33:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:33:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WJLD: An identity crisis? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 981 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.203 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Oct 2003 23:28:21 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > AM stereo during the daytime, as IBOC is AM stereo. What they are > > doing at night is anyones guess. > > That's like referring to a compact disc as an "LP" or "record". > Both are applicable, since it is Long Playing, and is a record(ing), > but causes much confusion, as both terms are firmly entrenched in > reference to analog phonograph discs. > > In this case, I've never heard iBiquity refer to IBOC as "AM > Stereo". In fact, they likely don't want to call it "AM" at all, > because of the connotations that term involves. As far as iBiquity > is concerned, they would like us to only refer to it as "HD Radio", > which plays upon the association with "HDTV", even though IBOC radio > and digital TV have virtually nothing in common. If you object to the term "AM stereo", then call it "MW Stereo", both C-Quam and HD Radio are stereo on the Medium Wave AM broadcast band. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Oct 16 16:29:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69576 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 23:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 23:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 23:29:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2003 23:29:33 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91903 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 19:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 19:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 19:38:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2003 19:38:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:38:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Do we have to hear this? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031016005705.12097.qmail@web60107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.203 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Oct 2003 23:29:32 -0000 > No it doesn't. BUT the new ONE I found, a Denon was > expensive, and Denon has an absolutely HORRID quality > control record. I would NOT bid on a Denon AM stereo > tuner if I could get it for $1.00. I had a strong temptation to buy one of these when they were new, I knew there must have been a reason why I was able to resist purchasing one. > I simply have a hard time in believing the shootouts > as to make the statements made, they would have to be > listening to the same recordings on the same tuner, > and with all the horrid loudness wars on FM, it might > be hard to really get an objective idea on "sound". > Performance spec wise I guess is straightforward. Yeah, that group is way too subjective for me, I think many there are just fooling themselves. I am getting ready to pack up and leave again. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 16:45:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40735 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 23:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 23:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 23:45:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2003 23:45:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:45:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 930 WPAT halts the hash Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1422 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I was restoring a vintage Blaupunkt car radio yesterday, and upon testing it out on the workbench, I was surprised to find that I could tune in 920 WPHY clearly, without the usual "hash" from neighboring 930 WPAT's IBOC signal. I checked again today on my MCS 3050, and it's true -- 930 WPAT has stopped broadcasting an IBOC signal, and has returned their analog audio to the full 10 kHz bandwidth. Unfortunately, their AM Stereo hasn't returned as of yet, but WPAT has already taken the largest step towards returning the quality and civility to their slice of the AM dial. 920 WPHY now comes in with a clear, perfectly listenable signal, with only a minor amount of adjacent-channel chatter from WPAT's analog signal. Also, Philadelphia's WPEN 950 AM Stereo no longer has an annoying hiss in their signal, and I can now even have a chance of DXing WADV 940 AM Stereo from Lebanon, PA once again. So, since the FCC tentatively approved the use of IBOC in October 2002, here's the official tally of AM stations in my listening area that are currently broadcasting it: 710 WOR New York, NY ...And here's the tally of stations which previously used IBOC, but have since discontinued it: 860 WWDB Philadelphia, PA 930 WPAT Paterson, NJ 1480 WZRC New York, NY 1700 WI2XAM Warren, NJ (now off the air entirely) So, four out of five stations have dumped IBOC... not a very encouraging growth rate, eh? From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 16:49:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12699 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 23:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 23:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41004.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.3) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 23:49:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20031016234939.55605.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.48.237] by web41004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:49:39 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006101c39069$4c1646c0$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Per the Cat-5E, right now I think I'll stick with the stuff we have on site simply because the less expenses I have towards this thing, the better. If another owner comes in and wants to spend $ on this, then we'll definitely go to town. Where can I find out about the grounding problems with the Dynamax 8L? 73, Jay, N1WVQ WPEP/1570 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 16:51:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21490 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2003 23:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2003 23:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2003 23:51:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20031016235059.90868.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.82] by web60105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:50:59 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Denon AMS tuner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I changed the subject to fit: --- bta_50g wrote: > > No it doesn't. BUT the new ONE I found, a Denon > was > > expensive, and Denon has an absolutely HORRID > quality > > control record. I would NOT bid on a Denon AM > stereo > > tuner if I could get it for $1.00. > > I had a strong temptation to buy one of these when > they were new, I > knew there must have been a reason why I was able to > resist purchasing > one. That was a wise decision. The AM does sound good even in mono. The FM has good specs on paper. A friend of mine has it in his studio to monitor the local AM's. > > I simply have a hard time in believing the > shootouts > > as to make the statements made, they would have to > be > > listening to the same recordings on the same > tuner, > > and with all the horrid loudness wars on FM, it > might > > be hard to really get an objective idea on > "sound". > > Performance spec wise I guess is straightforward. > > Yeah, that group is way too subjective for me, I > think many there are > just fooling themselves. I am getting ready to pack > up and leave > again. > > John And I mostly use the select all and delete feature. I may go also. Out of 100 messages there, I may see 1 to read. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From JH_Radio@GameBox.net Thu Oct 16 17:08:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: JH_Radio@GameBox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62847 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 00:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 00:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snickers.hotpop.com) (204.57.55.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 00:08:25 -0000 Received: from gamebox.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C6DDE761D4 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from enduser-smp79ak.GameBox.net (pcp04986357pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.222.251]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB581800D2 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031016191054.02557360@pop.GameBox.net> X-Sender: JH_Radio@pop.GameBox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:12:08 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: For Kevven T Mime-Version: 1.0 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- From: John Holcomb II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113800107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. Do you have a copy of the pore Stereo Quality ID for KYW? I would like to hear it along with PianoPlayer88Key... John Bensalem, PA Send me an email Aim: RainAngelsRule MSN: RainAngelsRule@hotmail.com DC: JH_Radio on hub: AndreLouis.COM:88 IRC server op on: irc.the-bofh.com on channel #Cutiecat's [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Thu Oct 16 17:34:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25805 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 00:34:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 00:34:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 00:34:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 00:34:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:34:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CQUAM stereo decoding Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 624 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "radham12000" wrote: > I am looking to develop / build an AM stereo decoder, for 455kHz. > > 1. Can anyone point to a reference of how to decode CQUAM using > standard RF building blocks (eg. multipliers, PLLs, filters). > > 2. Motorola seemed to make IC CQUAM stereo decoders (MC13320, MC13322, > MC13328). Does anyone know if these are still available, and if so, > WTB? > > 3. Does anyone have any datasheets on the chips mentioned above? > > Cheers, > > Steve A I saw the data sheets for the MC13020 and MC13024 decoders under files in the PDF folder. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 17:55:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24058 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 00:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 00:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 00:55:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 00:55:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:55:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WJLD: An identity crisis? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 276 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.111.118 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: =snip= > If you object to the term "AM stereo", then call it "MW Stereo", both > C-Quam and HD Radio are stereo on the Medium Wave AM broadcast band. I think I made that point before. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Oct 16 18:01:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92518 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 01:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 01:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 01:01:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 01:01:30 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27538 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 00:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 00:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 00:59:57 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.2f.4051a4a1 (3858) for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2f.4051a4a1.2cc098fd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:59:41 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Narrow bandwidth? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Oct 2003 01:01:28 -0000 It's not the transmitter's that's the problem with AM...it's the RECEIVERS. It seems the FCC doesn't care about improving the quality of AM receivers when IBOC is DYING. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Thu Oct 16 18:06:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22080 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 01:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 01:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 01:06:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 01:06:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:06:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Narrow bandwidth? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2f.4051a4a1.2cc098fd@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 286 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > It's not the transmitter's that's the problem with AM...it's the RECEIVERS. I recorded a clip that demonstrates the point you made, they were recorded from the same station at the same time with two diffrent recievers. From jbyrns@rcn.com Thu Oct 16 18:53:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51279 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 01:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 01:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 01:53:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 01:53:18 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25393 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 01:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 01:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 01:09:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 01:09:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:09:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WJLD: An identity crisis? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 412 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.245 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Oct 2003 01:53:17 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bta_50g" wrote: > > =snip= > > > If you object to the term "AM stereo", then call it "MW Stereo", > > both C-Quam and HD Radio are stereo on the Medium Wave AM > > broadcast band. > > I think I made that point before. Sorry I missed it, it's worth reiterating though. John From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 18:59:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20865 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 01:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 01:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 01:59:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20031017015901.79359.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:59:01 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJLD: An identity crisis? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its probably the fact whether the mode is FM,AM or SSB or whatother and then the Band its on LW,MW,HF,VHF as theres eg VHF AM or HF FM. Michael bta_50g wrote: > =snip= > > > If you object to the term "AM stereo", then call it "MW Stereo", > > both C-Quam and HD Radio are stereo on the Medium Wave AM > > broadcast band. > > I think I made that point before. Sorry I missed it, it's worth reiterating though. John --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From braillers@verizon.net Thu Oct 16 19:22:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: braillers@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3245 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 02:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 02:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out009.verizon.net) (206.46.170.131) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 02:22:58 -0000 Received: from DBY1VT21 ([141.150.34.125]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20031017022258.XKAG4096.out009.verizon.net@DBY1VT21> for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:22:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c39455$99026d70$94e1fea9@DBY1VT21> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 930 WPAT halts the hash Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:23:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [141.150.34.125] at Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:22:57 -0500 From: "Luis Guerra" Reply-To: "Luis Guerra" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=156951300 X-Yahoo-Profile: unionhill2002 I can't stand WOR's IBOC . I'm in the NYC area and the hash is very strong and their AM audio stinks. On another topic. I'm listening to the NY Yankees on WCBS 880 AM and WLS 890 AM is very strong tonight. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." To: Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 7:45 PM Subject: {AMSF} 930 WPAT halts the hash > I was restoring a vintage Blaupunkt car radio yesterday, and upon > testing it out on the workbench, I was surprised to find that I could > tune in 920 WPHY clearly, without the usual "hash" from neighboring > 930 WPAT's IBOC signal. > > I checked again today on my MCS 3050, and it's true -- 930 WPAT has > stopped broadcasting an IBOC signal, and has returned their analog > audio to the full 10 kHz bandwidth. Unfortunately, their AM Stereo > hasn't returned as of yet, but WPAT has already taken the largest > step towards returning the quality and civility to their slice of the > AM dial. > > 920 WPHY now comes in with a clear, perfectly listenable signal, with > only a minor amount of adjacent-channel chatter from WPAT's analog > signal. Also, Philadelphia's WPEN 950 AM Stereo no longer has an > annoying hiss in their signal, and I can now even have a chance of > DXing WADV 940 AM Stereo from Lebanon, PA once again. > > So, since the FCC tentatively approved the use of IBOC in October > 2002, here's the official tally of AM stations in my listening area > that are currently broadcasting it: > > 710 WOR New York, NY > > ...And here's the tally of stations which previously used IBOC, but > have since discontinued it: > > 860 WWDB Philadelphia, PA > 930 WPAT Paterson, NJ > 1480 WZRC New York, NY > 1700 WI2XAM Warren, NJ (now off the air entirely) > > So, four out of five stations have dumped IBOC... not a very > encouraging growth rate, eh? > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 19:28:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12892 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 02:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 02:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 02:28:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 02:28:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:28:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Narrow bandwidth? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2f.4051a4a1.2cc098fd@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1005 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > It's not the transmitter's that's the problem with AM...it's the RECEIVERS. > It seems the FCC doesn't care about improving the quality of AM receivers when > IBOC is DYING. I too would like to see the mandated quality of AM receivers improved. Cheap receivers should at least have the same or similar specs to the Lennox $5 radio. The next step up should be comparable to an SRF-42. Then, ALL digitally-tuned radios MUST have analog AM Stereo reception capability, and more expensive ones (i.e. Walkmans/etc > $40 for radio, $50 for radio+tape, $75 for radio+CD/MP3) should have a wide/narrow bandwidth selector that is independent of the stereo/mono switch. And so on and so forth up the scale.... > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > So THAT's where that verse is. It keeps running through my mind when I think of certain large companies, including, but not limited to Clear Channel and Microsoft. From possumhunter@netzero.net Thu Oct 16 20:15:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33234 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 03:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 03:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.115) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 03:15:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:15:47 -0700 Received: from 172.144.190.237 by bay7-dav11.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:15:47 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031016154501.92567.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} best daytime DX Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:11:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2003 03:15:47.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[F59B8CE0:01C3945C] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.144.190.237] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: >Last winter one day WSAI in Cincinnati ( I am in South Carolina) was listenable all day, and even on a portable. Today on my lunch break, I was surfing the band and heard WLW 700 while parked in Spartanburg, SC. On FM, WEZL 103.5 Charleston had a quieting signal in Greenville and Spartanburg this morning, and WJZX 99.7 was blanking out WRFX. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 21:27:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39776 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 04:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 04:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 04:27:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20031017042711.24445.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.76] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:27:11 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Narrow bandwidth? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > I too would like to see the mandated quality of AM > receivers improved. > Cheap receivers should at least have the same or > similar specs to the > Lennox $5 radio. The next step up should be > comparable to an SRF-42. > Then, ALL digitally-tuned radios MUST have analog > AM Stereo reception > capability, and more expensive ones (i.e. > Walkmans/etc > $40 for > radio, $50 for radio+tape, $75 for radio+CD/MP3) > should have a > wide/narrow bandwidth selector that is independent > of the stereo/mono > switch. And so on and so forth up the scale.... RDS on FM ! Entercom is going RDS company wide, and CC is putting RDS on stations too. WSPA-FM now has it. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 21:28:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51267 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 04:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 04:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 04:28:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20031017042825.24601.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.76] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:28:25 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} best daytime DX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > >Last winter one day WSAI in Cincinnati ( I am in > South Carolina) was > listenable all day, and even on a portable. > > Today on my lunch break, I was surfing the band and > heard WLW 700 while > parked in Spartanburg, SC. On FM, WEZL 103.5 > Charleston had a quieting > signal in Greenville and Spartanburg this morning, > and WJZX 99.7 was > blanking out WRFX. > > Kevin I have also heard WLW at noon in the winter. Last winter when WSAI was in all day, not a trace from WLW. ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 21:29:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3183 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 04:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 04:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 04:29:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20031017042954.68402.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.76] by web60104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:29:54 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WAGL 1560 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031014034438.75855.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW They went Spanish for a good while, and had been silent a few weeks, now they are back with a Music of Your Life format. They need to fix, or put back the AM stereo! Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 21:33:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10948 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 04:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 04:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 04:33:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 04:33:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:33:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Narrow bandwidth? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031017042711.24445.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1529 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key It seems that most recent advertising for a radio that I know about leans toward something like "BUY OUR RADIO!! IT HAS THE BEST SOUND!! YOU WILL HEAR EVERYTHING FROM THE DEEPEST BASS TO THE CRISPEST TREBLE ON OUR PATENTED SYSTEM!!" instead of "If you buy our radio, you will be able to have more choices for stations to listen to than our competitors' radios." :( Not only do radios need to sound good, they also need to have good sensitivity and selectivity. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- pianoplayer88key > wrote: > > I too would like to see the mandated quality of AM > > receivers improved. > > Cheap receivers should at least have the same or > > similar specs to the > > Lennox $5 radio. The next step up should be > > comparable to an SRF-42. > > Then, ALL digitally-tuned radios MUST have analog > > AM Stereo reception > > capability, and more expensive ones (i.e. > > Walkmans/etc > $40 for > > radio, $50 for radio+tape, $75 for radio+CD/MP3) > > should have a > > wide/narrow bandwidth selector that is independent > > of the stereo/mono > > switch. And so on and so forth up the scale.... > > > RDS on FM ! Entercom is going RDS company wide, and CC > is putting RDS on stations too. WSPA-FM now has it. > > Powell > > > ===== > powell@c... http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 21:45:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19977 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 04:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 04:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60101.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 04:45:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20031017044508.50215.qmail@web60101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.76] by web60101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:45:08 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Narrow bandwidth? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > It seems that most recent advertising for a radio > that I know about > leans toward something like "BUY OUR RADIO!! IT HAS > THE BEST SOUND!! > YOU WILL HEAR EVERYTHING FROM THE DEEPEST BASS TO > THE CRISPEST TREBLE > ON OUR PATENTED SYSTEM!!" instead of "If you buy > our radio, you will > be able to have more choices for stations to listen > to than our > competitors' radios." > > :( > > Not only do radios need to sound good, they also > need to have good > sensitivity and selectivity. For a long time now how the piece of electronics looks is far more important than if it actually WORKS! FAD design, and minimal specs and functionality. The $12 Lennoxx CD player actually has excellent audio, not a TRACE of hiss (well on a DDD CD that is) but there is not a BIT of errrrrrrror correction. Can't bump it at all! Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 21:53:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42691 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 04:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 04:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 04:53:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20031017045301.94231.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.42.77.187] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:53:01 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Steve's AM Stereo questions To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Steve A wrote: "I am looking to develop / build an AM stereo decoder, for 455kHz. 1. Can anyone point to a reference of how to decode CQUAM using standard RF building blocks (eg. multipliers, PLLs, filters). 2. Motorola seemed to make IC CQUAM stereo decoders (MC13320, MC13322, MC13328). Does anyone know if these are still available, and if so, WTB? 3. Does anyone have any datasheets on the chips mentioned above? Cheers, Steve A" Steve: Several suggestions and comments: Chris Cuff on builds little decoder boards, and they can be modified from 450KHz I.F. up to 455MHz I.F. instead. I think Jeff Deck also has boards and /or chips avaialble too. Schematics of MC13028 are still on the net - do a Google search. John JSG Gilstrap on this list has a page full of fixes, updates for the old Motorola MC13020 chip. Please ask us on the list here for any additional questions. A great project. There exist some MC13028 chip schematics on the internet. Jeff Deck who was on our list has some chips if there's a way to contact him? If you have a 455KHz I.F. you will need a goofy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 21:54:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1789 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 04:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 04:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12805.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 04:54:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20031017045436.21460.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.95.136] by web12805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:54:36 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: radio advertising To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin T." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It seems that most recent advertising for a radio that I know about You mean this kind of advertising?..... "BOOSE" WAVY RADIO In One Ear ... and Out Your Wallet Department ... the BOOSE Wavy Radio [A MAD Magazine Ad Parody - from the July 1998 issue, #371] HEAR THE RADIO THAT WOKE UP AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY* *to the fact that there are idiots out there willing to spend hundreds of dollars just for a radio! Popular Audio wrote that it is "a sonic masterpiece." Radio Magazine wrote that it is "simply amazing ... a genuine break-through in sound quality"! And High Fidelity wrote, "Sorry, but you'll have to take thousands of dollars in advertising in our magazine like you did in Popular Audio and Radio Magazine before we'll write hyped-up copy about how great your radio is." What radio are they all talking about? The BOOSE (r) Wavy Radio. HALF A MILLION PEOPLE ALREADY OWN THE BOOSE WAVY RADIO. In just over three years, the Wavy radio has changed the way half a million people listen to music -- people like Stanley Karpinski of Staten Island, NY, who said, "It's changed the way I listen to music. I stopped listening to CDs and audio cassettes. I had to! The Wavy won't play them. It's just a damn radio!" OUR EXCLUSIVE AWARD-WINNING DESIGN [Illustration of inside of Wavy Radio with the following caption: Open up a Wavy radio and you'll see our exclusive acoustic wavyguide speaker technology. You'll also immediately void our 30-day money back guarantee.] The secret to the Wavy radio's remarkable success lies in an exclusive award-winning design. Our experts spend countless hours designing sleek, elegant ads for the Wavy radio, resulting in a remarkably successful ad campaign that has won numerous awards for its design. The actual design of the radio itself was a piece of cake, using the same technology found in a $9 K-Mart clock radio. The Wavy radio measures just 4-1/2" x 14" x 8-1/4" x 10" x 22-1/8" x 9". It comes with a credit card-sized remote control that will easily slip between the tightest sofa cushions never to be seen again, six AM/FM pre-set buttons that have been permanently set at the factory to our favorite stations for your convenience, and dual alarms which can be heard up to five miles away. Is it any wonder that people who weren't smart enough to buy a stereo system with CD player, AM/FM radio, dual cassette deck, graphic equalizer and detachable speakers (for half the price that our product costs) are now stuck using the Boose Wavy as their primary stereo system? [Illustration of remote control with the following caption: The miniature remote control was lost forever right after this photo was taken.] EVEN OUR IN-HOME TRIAL SOUNDS GREAT. Order a Wavy radio today and take advantage of our risk-free, in-home trial. If after 30 days, you aren't convinced that this is the best sounding radio you've ever heard, simply return the radio to us in its original unopened carton for a full refund. No questions asked! That's right! You have our 100% guarantee that our in-home trial sounds great, providing you don't go back and reread this last paragraph for finely-crafted legal loopholes. CALL TODAY AND MAKE SIX INTEREST-FREE PAYMENTS. The Wavy radio is available for $349 direct from BOOSE, one of the leading names in high fidelity equipment manufacturers when listed alphabetically. And now our six-month installment payment plan lets you make six monthly payments, interest-free, when you agree to our exclusive seventh payment of all interest! Call today and hear more about the product that has consumer groups and state attorneys general talking. CALL BY NOVEMBER 1, 1998 and ask our operators about FREE SHIPPING and why we don't offer it. CALL 1-800-BAMBOOZLED ext. R2D2 When you call, ask about our six-month installment payment plan. (Qualifications based on a sworn affidavit that you own a valid credit card and that your call is not being traced or recorded by law enforcement officials.) Also ask about FedEx(r) delivery service and how it differs from the third-rate carrier we'll be using to ship your radio. Please specify your color choice: ___ Barry White ___ Earl Gray Mr/Mrs/Ms _______________(please do not print) Address _________________ City/State/Zip _____________ Morning Phone ___________ Afternoon Phone __________ Late Afternoon Phone ______ Evening Phone ___________ (no salesman will call.) Mail to Boose Corporation, Dept. NOCD-RU-NUTS The Compound on the Mountain, FramedAgain, MA 00019 BOOSE ... Better Sounding Ads Through Research __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 22:21:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47223 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 05:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 05:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 05:21:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20031017052107.57204.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:21:07 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: radio advertising To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031017045436.21460.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does it do AM Stereo! ;-) michael "Kevin T." wrote: > It seems that most recent advertising for a radio that I know about You mean this kind of advertising?..... "BOOSE" WAVY RADIO In One Ear ... and Out Your Wallet Department ... the BOOSE Wavy Radio [A MAD Magazine Ad Parody - from the July 1998 issue, #371] HEAR THE RADIO THAT WOKE UP AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY* *to the fact that there are idiots out there willing to spend hundreds of dollars just for a radio! Popular Audio wrote that it is "a sonic masterpiece." Radio Magazine wrote that it is "simply amazing ... a genuine break-through in sound quality"! And High Fidelity wrote, "Sorry, but you'll have to take thousands of dollars in advertising in our magazine like you did in Popular Audio and Radio Magazine before we'll write hyped-up copy about how great your radio is." What radio are they all talking about? The BOOSE (r) Wavy Radio. HALF A MILLION PEOPLE ALREADY OWN THE BOOSE WAVY RADIO. In just over three years, the Wavy radio has changed the way half a million people listen to music -- people like Stanley Karpinski of Staten Island, NY, who said, "It's changed the way I listen to music. I stopped listening to CDs and audio cassettes. I had to! The Wavy won't play them. It's just a damn radio!" OUR EXCLUSIVE AWARD-WINNING DESIGN [Illustration of inside of Wavy Radio with the following caption: Open up a Wavy radio and you'll see our exclusive acoustic wavyguide speaker technology. You'll also immediately void our 30-day money back guarantee.] The secret to the Wavy radio's remarkable success lies in an exclusive award-winning design. Our experts spend countless hours designing sleek, elegant ads for the Wavy radio, resulting in a remarkably successful ad campaign that has won numerous awards for its design. The actual design of the radio itself was a piece of cake, using the same technology found in a $9 K-Mart clock radio. The Wavy radio measures just 4-1/2" x 14" x 8-1/4" x 10" x 22-1/8" x 9". It comes with a credit card-sized remote control that will easily slip between the tightest sofa cushions never to be seen again, six AM/FM pre-set buttons that have been permanently set at the factory to our favorite stations for your convenience, and dual alarms which can be heard up to five miles away. Is it any wonder that people who weren't smart enough to buy a stereo system with CD player, AM/FM radio, dual cassette deck, graphic equalizer and detachable speakers (for half the price that our product costs) are now stuck using the Boose Wavy as their primary stereo system? [Illustration of remote control with the following caption: The miniature remote control was lost forever right after this photo was taken.] EVEN OUR IN-HOME TRIAL SOUNDS GREAT. Order a Wavy radio today and take advantage of our risk-free, in-home trial. If after 30 days, you aren't convinced that this is the best sounding radio you've ever heard, simply return the radio to us in its original unopened carton for a full refund. No questions asked! That's right! You have our 100% guarantee that our in-home trial sounds great, providing you don't go back and reread this last paragraph for finely-crafted legal loopholes. CALL TODAY AND MAKE SIX INTEREST-FREE PAYMENTS. The Wavy radio is available for $349 direct from BOOSE, one of the leading names in high fidelity equipment manufacturers when listed alphabetically. And now our six-month installment payment plan lets you make six monthly payments, interest-free, when you agree to our exclusive seventh payment of all interest! Call today and hear more about the product that has consumer groups and state attorneys general talking. CALL BY NOVEMBER 1, 1998 and ask our operators about FREE SHIPPING and why we don't offer it. CALL 1-800-BAMBOOZLED ext. 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Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 17 00:26:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34588 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 07:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 07:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 07:26:32 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.238]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:28:57 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01c3947f$e040b3c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20031017045301.94231.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Steve's AM Stereo questions Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:25:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I do have 3.64 ceramic resonators for 455 khz for the decoders as well. The 3.6 resonators will pull down fine at 455 too. Jeff Deck has a mess of my boards, as well as me- I will be making more decoders soon. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: {AMSF} Steve's AM Stereo questions > Steve A wrote: "I am looking to develop / build an AM stereo decoder, for > 455kHz. From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Oct 17 01:08:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77982 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 08:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 08:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 08:08:53 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-50-220.rev.o1.com [66.81.50.220]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9H88pJ54272; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:08:51 -0700 Message-ID: <005301c39485$b568a080$dc325142@jimsmith> To: Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: messages Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:07:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi Kevin Yes iwould like to jion the forum with full accsesse. Thank You Jim Smith From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Oct 17 01:16:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29062 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 08:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 08:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 08:16:50 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-50-220.rev.o1.com [66.81.50.220]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9H8Gmk50258; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:16:48 -0700 Message-ID: <005d01c39486$d2e298e0$dc325142@jimsmith> To: Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: messages Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:15:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi Kevin Yes i would like to join the forum with full access. Thank You Jim Smith From dav259@csiro.au Fri Oct 17 01:36:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23122 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 08:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 08:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 08:36:10 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9H8a8P2027047 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:36:09 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:36:08 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} messages In-Reply-To: <005d01c39486$d2e298e0$dc325142@jimsmith> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, JimSmith wrote: > Hi Kevin Yes i would like to join the forum with full access. Thank > You > Jim Smith Looks as if you have joined Jim. Welcome! You're member no. 229. Hopefully you'll join (most of) us in the fight to keep C-Quam AM stereo alive. Where are you from? Do you have any AM stereo stations where you live? Have you got any AM stereo radios? Have fun! Ian Melbourne, Australia From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Oct 17 01:44:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36750 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 08:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 08:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 08:44:33 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-50-220.rev.o1.com [66.81.50.220]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9H8iUk48150; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:44:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c3948a$b192ee20$dc325142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: Hi Chris Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:43:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi Chris How are you ? I think i finely figered is forum thing out. Is Things back to normal? I hate when every thing happen at once. I do not bug you much but i was wondering about the TFT exciter. It Must not be deid? I like the Alfrado Lite i whished it had more power so i can get out a couple of miles. Well i better go . Thank You Jim Smith From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Oct 17 02:28:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22860 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 09:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 09:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 09:28:14 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-50-220.rev.o1.com [66.81.50.220]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9H9SCk75430; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:28:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c39490$cab0ed20$dc325142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: HI Ian D. Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:26:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi Ian D Yes finaly Ian !!!! I am a little slow some times. I have 4 stock ams radios and 2 convertoins. Yes Ian i have 2 day stations KCBC 770 Am Stereo ( bile) Riverbank Ca U.S.A and KCTC 1320 Am Stereo Sacramento Ca U.S.A 30's 40's and early 50's music. At night i can get 820 am stereo were ? And both from Los Angales Ca U.S.A KNX 1070 Am Stereo and KABC 790 Am Stereo. My whish list is KFRC 610 am mono San Francisco Ca U.S.A thay use to sound great in c-quam. And the station i live neer KAHI 950 am mono Aubun Ca U.S.A. Thats why i was sending a message to Chris he is serviceing a TFT Am Stereo exciter for me. I live 35 miles NE from Sacramento Ca U.S.A .Well i can get a little long winded . Thank You Ian D From dav259@csiro.au Fri Oct 17 03:39:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55485 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 10:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 10:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 10:39:11 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9HAd8P2002037 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:39:10 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:39:08 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: am stereo Subject: Re: {AMSF} HI Ian D. In-Reply-To: <000701c39490$cab0ed20$dc325142@jimsmith> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, JimSmith wrote: > I have 4 stock ams radios and 2 convertions. Yes Ian i have 2 > day stations KCBC 770 Am Stereo ( bile) Riverbank Ca U.S.A > and KCTC 1320 Am Stereo Sacramento Ca U.S.A 30's 40's and early > 50's music. At night i can get 820 am stereo were ? And both > from Los Angales Ca U.S.A KNX 1070 Am Stereo and KABC 790 > Am Stereo. Hey Jim - you're certainly an AMS fanatic - and just what we need here. > My whish list is KFRC 610 am mono San Francisco Ca U.S.A thay use > to sound great in c-quam. And the station i live neer KAHI 950 am > mono Aubun Ca U.S.A. Anything is possible! We've got lots of members in California. Maybe we can try and get KFRC back in stereo! (The callsign looks a bit like a GOP version of Kentucky Fried Chicken.) > I live 35 miles NE from Sacramento Ca U.S.A. Well i can get a > little long winded. Yo - not far from Marysville ... We have a Marysville here in Victoria. Its radio station 3CV (Central Victoria) went to FM about 10 years ago and seemingly has lost the plot - in that now only local listeners can hear it. > . Thank You Ian D Thank you Jim! I joined an AMS list about three and a half years ago to hopefully keep it alive - at least here. It's still a big secret in Australia. But it's still surviving ... yet going downhill. My view is that us lot must do all we can to keep it alive. There are so many times when I think the cause is lost. Then I hear one of my favourite ever tracks on our Magic 693 Khz (3EE) and I know it's right to fight on. You'll find messages on this list from Tom and Kerry at WOR - New York - who are probably doing the right thing with experimenting with IBOC. (Hey - wouldn't it be great if it worked!) [I could say that was Tom and Jerry but I won't.] :) (Amy???) What I want to say is ... We've got 229 members now. Many of you must be new. Stop! sitting back and lurking. Write a message to us and tell us which stations need saving. There are many of us here who will do anything to help the cause of advancing ((( AM STEREO ))). Ian Melbourne [iaaas] ooops From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 04:59:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6785 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 11:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 11:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41009.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 11:59:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20031017115911.64340.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.40.151] by web41009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:59:11 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WAGL 1560 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031017042954.68402.qmail@web60104.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Yes to stereo, no to the format. Instead... BEACH MUSIC ALL DAY! From sunup to sundown it's the best music in town! Sandy 1560!" I KNEW there was a reason why I was made Program Director! 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Oct 17 05:54:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48737 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 12:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 12:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 12:54:38 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-210-163.rev.o1.com [66.81.210.163]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9HCsa872096; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 05:54:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c394ad$a039c720$a3d25142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: bageing kfrc Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 05:53:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi Ian D. I have been bageing KFRC am to go back to ams for about 2 years now . So if there is any buddy els reading this in NOR CAL in ear shot please send KFRC a Letter. I can't whate to see what my local station sese when i bring back that exciter to them fully working. Thay are kind of like KFRC Am 610. KAHI AM 950 plays oldies to. I do think that ICRAP is a lost cause the range sucks the audio sounds a little better but not as go as the go old days of ams here in the states. I do think that if thay put a lot of ICRAP stations together in a big city they will cancel each other out so all will hear is static anlog stations or in full digtal you will hear is mute. Oh ya and ICRAP dose not work at night!!!!Thank you for comet about being a am stereo nut i love the sound and i mostly lissen am amy way. I was weaned on am . Dose magic 693 have a web cast and do they play any usa music? Well i did it agen. Thank You Jim Smith From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 10:10:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22456 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 17:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 17:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 17:10:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 17:08:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:08:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HI Ian D. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2595 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Here's a list (not all inclusive) of stations that need to broadcast in AM Stereo. ;) http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?state=&call=&arn=&city=&freq=530&fre2=1700&facid=&list=1&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&NS=N&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&EW=W&size=9 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, JimSmith wrote: > > > I have 4 stock ams radios and 2 convertions. Yes Ian i have 2 > > day stations KCBC 770 Am Stereo ( bile) Riverbank Ca U.S.A > > and KCTC 1320 Am Stereo Sacramento Ca U.S.A 30's 40's and early > > 50's music. At night i can get 820 am stereo were ? And both > > from Los Angales Ca U.S.A KNX 1070 Am Stereo and KABC 790 > > Am Stereo. > > Hey Jim - you're certainly an AMS fanatic - and just what we need here. > > > My whish list is KFRC 610 am mono San Francisco Ca U.S.A thay use > > to sound great in c-quam. And the station i live neer KAHI 950 am > > mono Aubun Ca U.S.A. > > Anything is possible! We've got lots of members in California. Maybe we > can try and get KFRC back in stereo! (The callsign looks a bit like a GOP > version of Kentucky Fried Chicken.) > > > I live 35 miles NE from Sacramento Ca U.S.A. Well i can get a > > little long winded. > > Yo - not far from Marysville ... We have a Marysville here in Victoria. > Its radio station 3CV (Central Victoria) went to FM about 10 years ago and > seemingly has lost the plot - in that now only local listeners can hear > it. > > > . Thank You Ian D > > Thank you Jim! > > I joined an AMS list about three and a half years ago to hopefully keep it > alive - at least here. It's still a big secret in Australia. But it's > still surviving ... yet going downhill. > > My view is that us lot must do all we can to keep it alive. There are so > many times when I think the cause is lost. Then I hear one of my > favourite ever tracks on our Magic 693 Khz (3EE) and I know it's right to > fight on. > > You'll find messages on this list from Tom and Kerry at WOR - New York - > who are probably doing the right thing with experimenting with IBOC. (Hey > - wouldn't it be great if it worked!) > > [I could say that was Tom and Jerry but I won't.] :) (Amy???) > > What I want to say is ... > > We've got 229 members now. Many of you must be new. Stop! sitting back > and lurking. Write a message to us and tell us which stations need > saving. There are many of us here who will do anything to help the cause > of advancing ((( AM STEREO ))). > > Ian > Melbourne > > > > > > > [iaaas] > > ooops From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 10:26:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96482 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 17:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 17:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 17:26:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 17:25:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:25:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HI Ian D. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c39490$cab0ed20$dc325142@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3475 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Oh.. so KCTC 1320 is Stereo? I can hear them here at night in Southern CA (12 miles east of San Diego) -- I'll have to check it out on my SRF-42. No chance for me of hearing KCBC 770, though... I have a 50,000-watt 760 KFMB in the same direction approx 7.3 miles from me, and the dominate nighttime station on 770, which is receivable when nulling 760, is KKOB from Albuquerque. KNX and KABC are grounwave reception for me. The only "local" as in same/nearby city of license / primary service area that has AMS that I know of is 1630 XEUT from Tijuana. They often have stereo when they play jazz and similar music in the mornings, but I usually hear mono later in the day when they play classical or other things. On 610, I'm not sure if I get KFRC from San Fran, or KAVL from Lancaster, CA. I have a local mex on 950, but when nulling it I DO get another station, but if I remember correctly it's also spanish. My wish list for locals to be AMS: 600 KOGO - news/talk (calls themselves "newsradio 600 kogo" but doesn't quite live up to their name except from 5-9am M-F) 760 KFMB - used to be stereo 800 XESPN - ESPN Radio 800 - would be especially nice stereo during ballgames 860 XEMO - spanish music (this station used to be my favorite one until they dropped stereo) 910 KECR - Family Radio network (same as KEAR 106.9 San Francisco and KEBR 1210 Sacramento (I forget what the FM outlet in Sacramento is, though.)) 1000 KCEO - runs a nostalgia format at night and mixes with KOMO Seattle 1040 KURS - says they're in stereo (in spanish) but I don't hear any separation. 1090 XEPRS - sports talk, also ball games (will carry Padres games next year) 1130 KSDO - (Radio Nueva Vida) needs to take a look at the modulation on their TX... it's distorting when in stereo mode on my SRF-42 and I think I can hear some mono distortion on other radios, but it's worse in stereo 1170 KCBQ - a talk/news station 1240 KSON - asian music (formerly Radio Disney - btw I want to see them back in San Diego. KDIS 1110 is a poor signal, especially considering strong 2nd-adjacent-channel interference from 1130 (1090 is not as strong so it's not a threat).) 1280 KFRN - Family Radio (faint signal out from under 1270, used to be stereo but don't hear any separation as of late. 1320 KKSM - a very faint 500 watt directional rock station from Oceanside out from under 1310, only audible daytime although it supposedly uses the same power and antenna 24/7. 1360 KPOP - Nostalgia (similar format to what KCTC plays) 1450 KFSD - classical music (in Escondido, weak but listenable daytime signal, disappears into the hash at night) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" wrote: > Hi Ian D Yes finaly Ian !!!! I am a little slow some times. I have 4 stock > ams radios and 2 convertoins. Yes Ian i have 2 day stations KCBC 770 > Am Stereo ( bile) Riverbank Ca U.S.A and KCTC 1320 Am Stereo > Sacramento Ca U.S.A 30's 40's and early 50's music. At night i can get > 820 am stereo were ? And both from Los Angales Ca U.S.A KNX 1070 Am > Stereo and KABC 790 Am Stereo. My whish list is KFRC 610 am mono San > Francisco Ca U.S.A thay use to sound great in c-quam. And the station i > live neer KAHI 950 am mono Aubun Ca U.S.A. Thats why i was sending a > message to Chris he is serviceing a TFT Am Stereo exciter for me. I live > 35 miles NE from Sacramento Ca U.S.A .Well i can get a little long winded > . Thank You Ian D From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 10:29:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39911 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 17:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 17:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 17:29:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20031017170312.85893.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.110] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:03:12 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WAGL 1560 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031017115911.64340.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- JNR wrote: > Yes to stereo, no to the format. Instead... > > BEACH MUSIC ALL DAY! From sunup to sundown it's > the best music in town! Sandy 1560!" > > I KNEW there was a reason why I was made Program > Director! > > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ Beach music, though I like it in small amounts has been a dismal failure even in South Carolina. It has proved to be a niche format that cannot keep a radio station on the air. This MOYL has some medium oldies in it also, so it's not that bad. WCAM in Camden SC (1590) is mostly beautiful music. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 11:23:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29324 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 18:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 18:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 18:23:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 18:23:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:23:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HI Ian D. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 12626 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key more stations that should be AM Stereo.... :-D (I had to split them into multiple links... the frequency is in MHz at the end of the link, for example 1.69 = 1690KHz http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.53 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.54 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.55 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.58 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.59 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.60 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.61 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.62 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.63 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.64 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.65 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.66 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.68 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.69 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.71 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.72 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.73 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.77 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.78 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.79 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.80 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.81 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.82 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.83 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.84 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.87 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.88 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.89 (but they left out one station that I can faintly receive the grounwave on if I use a very sensitive radio and put it near a chain-link fence or some other grounded metal object) http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.90 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.91 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.92 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.94 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=0.97 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.00 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.02 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.04 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.06 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.07 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.09 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.10 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.14 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.16 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.17 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.18 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.20 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.21 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.22 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.25 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.26 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.27 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.28 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.29 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.30 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.32 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.33 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.34 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.35 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.38 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.39 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.40 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.46 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.48 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.49 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.50 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.51 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.52 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.53 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.54 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.55 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.56 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.57 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.58 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.59 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.60 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.61 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.62 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.63 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.64 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.65 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.66 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.67 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.68 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.69 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.70 http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/frequency_res.hts?db_id=19&rows=999&radio_serv=&freq=1.71 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Here's a list (not all inclusive) of stations that need to broadcast > in AM Stereo. ;) > > http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?state=&call=&arn=&city=&freq=530&fre2=1700&facid=&list=1&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&NS=N&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&EW=W&size=9 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, JimSmith wrote: > > > > > I have 4 stock ams radios and 2 convertions. Yes Ian i have > > > day stations KCBC 770 Am Stereo ( bile) Riverbank Ca U.S.A > > > and KCTC 1320 Am Stereo Sacramento Ca U.S.A 30's 40's and early > > > 50's music. At night i can get 820 am stereo were ? And both > > > from Los Angales Ca U.S.A KNX 1070 Am Stereo and KABC 790 > > > Am Stereo. > > > > Hey Jim - you're certainly an AMS fanatic - and just what we need here. > > > > > My whish list is KFRC 610 am mono San Francisco Ca U.S.A thay use > > > to sound great in c-quam. And the station i live neer KAHI 950 am > > > mono Aubun Ca U.S.A. > > > > Anything is possible! We've got lots of members in California. > Maybe we > > can try and get KFRC back in stereo! (The callsign looks a bit like > a GOP > > version of Kentucky Fried Chicken.) > > > > > I live 35 miles NE from Sacramento Ca U.S.A. Well i can get a > > > little long winded. > > > > Yo - not far from Marysville ... We have a Marysville here in Victoria. > > Its radio station 3CV (Central Victoria) went to FM about 10 years > ago and > > seemingly has lost the plot - in that now only local listeners can hear > > it. > > > > > . Thank You Ian D > > > > Thank you Jim! > > > > I joined an AMS list about three and a half years ago to hopefully > keep it > > alive - at least here. It's still a big secret in Australia. But it's > > still surviving ... yet going downhill. > > > > My view is that us lot must do all we can to keep it alive. There > are so > > many times when I think the cause is lost. Then I hear one of my > > favourite ever tracks on our Magic 693 Khz (3EE) and I know it's > right to > > fight on. > > > > You'll find messages on this list from Tom and Kerry at WOR - New York - > > who are probably doing the right thing with experimenting with IBOC. > (Hey > > - wouldn't it be great if it worked!) > > > > [I could say that was Tom and Jerry but I won't.] :) (Amy???) > > > > What I want to say is ... > > > > We've got 229 members now. Many of you must be new. Stop! sitting back > > and lurking. Write a message to us and tell us which stations need > > saving. There are many of us here who will do anything to help the > cause > > of advancing ((( AM STEREO ))). > > > > Ian > > Melbourne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [iaaas] > > > > ooops From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 12:50:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8559 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 19:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 19:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 19:50:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 19:50:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:50:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: my srf-42... :( Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1524 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Hola cada uno. Tengo ciertas noticias tristes a divulgar - mi SRF-42 es enfermo: ( Comenz=F3 cuando romp=ED accidentalmente la perilla que templaba apagado mientras que intentaba templar el extremo inferior extremo de la venda. Pod=EDa conseguirlo detr=E1s encendido, pero el seguir era manera apagado, por ejemplo 540KHz indicaba alrededor de 760KHz. Consigui=F3 un poco m=E1s f=E1cil para que haga estallar apagado, hasta que podr=EDa consonancia inm=F3vil =E9l pero no seguir=EDa m=E1s. Hoy justo, aunque, encontr=E9 que no podr=EDa templarlo m=E1s, y la pieza que liga la perilla que templa al condensador estaba fuera de lugar. Tan... La tom=E9 aparte que iba por algunas instrucciones que tengo de un manual de reparaciones impreso, e intentado alinearlo. En el medio tiempo, puse las bater=EDas detr=E1s adentro y las gir=E9 encontrando el interruptor y movi=E9ndolo de un tir=F3n con un destornillador. En el medio tiempo hab=EDa movido de alguna manera el selector de la venda a FM. O=ED algo pero no era absolutamente lo que dese=E9 o=EDr y despu=E9s de mover alrededor de un pedacito realic=E9 que era FM no est. Cambi=E9 a la amplit=FAd modulada...=20 eso correcto. Nada.=20 =BFCualquier persona sabe reparar una perilla que templa de SRF-42's? =BFO debo mirar que consigue a otro uno? =BF(ser=EDa mi 3ro hasta ahora) o podr=EDa alguien recomendar otra radio portable de AMS en el mismo precio que el SRF-42 vendi=F3 nuevo, y mismas espec. de la calidad (anchura de banda, sensibilidad, selectividad, etc audio)? From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 17 13:08:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42238 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 20:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 20:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 20:08:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.156]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:10:39 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c394ea$48180e20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} my srf-42... :( Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:07:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Que Lastima! Yo tengo los partes a reperar.... pero porque tu escribe en Espanol?? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key To: Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:50 PM Subject: {AMSF} my srf-42... :( Hola cada uno. Tengo ciertas noticias tristes a divulgar - mi SRF-42 es enfermo: From stodd@vippn.com Fri Oct 17 13:21:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54566 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 20:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 20:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 20:21:56 -0000 Message-ID: <006c01c394ed$02709b00$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031017042825.24601.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} best daytime DX Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:26:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude My best daytime DX was PJB out of Bonaire on 800 when I was still in highschool- 74 I think. They were directional to the south even then, but are no longer running the massive 500kW. I think they're only 50k now. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" To: Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:28 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} best daytime DX > > --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > >Last winter one day WSAI in Cincinnati ( I am in > > South Carolina) was > > listenable all day, and even on a portable. > > > > Today on my lunch break, I was surfing the band and > > heard WLW 700 while > > parked in Spartanburg, SC. On FM, WEZL 103.5 > > Charleston had a quieting > > signal in Greenville and Spartanburg this morning, > > and WJZX 99.7 was > > blanking out WRFX. > > > > Kevin > > > I have also heard WLW at noon in the winter. Last > winter when WSAI was in all day, not a trace from WLW. > > > > > > > > ===== > powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 13:28:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57224 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 20:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 20:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 20:28:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 20:28:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:28:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} my srf-42... :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c394ea$48180e20$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 807 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Just cause I felt like writing it in spanish. ;) What would it cost to have it repaired, or would I be better off finding a new one or a different model? I would like to have at least the same (or better) selectivity, sensitivity, and audio bandwidth as the SRF-42 if I got another one, and digital tuning would be nice (but it doesn't have to have it) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Que Lastima! > Yo tengo los partes a reperar.... pero porque tu escribe en Espanol?? > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pianoplayer88key > To: > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:50 PM > Subject: {AMSF} my srf-42... :( > > > Hola cada uno. Tengo ciertas noticias tristes a divulgar - mi SRF-42 > es enfermo: From stodd@vippn.com Fri Oct 17 13:49:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55435 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 20:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 20:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 20:49:18 -0000 Message-ID: <00a401c394f0$d5817980$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031016234939.55605.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:53:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Is that your audio console? I'm not familiar with the model number. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > Where can I find out about the grounding problems > with the Dynamax 8L? From stodd@vippn.com Fri Oct 17 13:52:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28017 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 20:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 20:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 20:52:44 -0000 Message-ID: <00bc01c394f1$5056c980$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <000f01c394ad$a039c720$a3d25142@jimsmith> Subject: Re: {AMSF} bageing kfrc Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:57:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Welcome aboard, Jim! Happy to have another person join us. Just one small request- please use your spell-checker on your posts. It's almost painful to try to read them. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JimSmith" > Hi Ian D. I have been bageing KFRC am to go back to ams for about 2 > years now . So if there is any buddy els reading this in NOR CAL in ear > shot please send KFRC a Letter. I can't whate to see what my local station > sese when i bring back that exciter to them fully working. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 14:37:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39945 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 21:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 21:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 21:37:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20031017213754.12594.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:37:54 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} my srf-42... :( To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Theres a "new" SRF 42 on ebay currently. Michael pianoplayer88key wrote: Just cause I felt like writing it in spanish. ;) What would it cost to have it repaired, or would I be better off finding a new one or a different model? I would like to have at least the same (or better) selectivity, sensitivity, and audio bandwidth as the SRF-42 if I got another one, and digital tuning would be nice (but it doesn't have to have it) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Que Lastima! > Yo tengo los partes a reperar.... pero porque tu escribe en Espanol?? > Chris --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 14:45:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31881 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 21:45:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 21:45:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 21:45:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 21:45:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:45:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} my srf-42... :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031017213754.12594.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key It's already pushing past the upper limit of my price range for that model and still has 8 days left. :( (although I'd be willing to pay a bit more for one with better audio quality, sensitivity, and selectivity. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Theres a "new" SRF 42 on ebay currently. > Michael > > pianoplayer88key wrote: > Just cause I felt like writing it in spanish. ;) > > What would it cost to have it repaired, or would I be better off > finding a new one or a different model? I would like to have at least > the same (or better) selectivity, sensitivity, and audio bandwidth as > the SRF-42 if I got another one, and digital tuning would be nice (but > it doesn't have to have it) > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > Que Lastima! > > Yo tengo los partes a reperar.... pero porque tu escribe en Espanol?? > > Chris > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 17 14:45:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61949 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 21:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 21:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 21:45:52 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.127]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:48:18 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c394f7$ec09bd00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} my srf-42... :( Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:45:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Well, first of all, you will not find anything like the 42 that will equal it's high end freq response- especially in a digital radio. The digital walkmans that I have had, and I have had most all of them,. cut off at 3K or so. The SRF42 was the best ever (for the money) walkman available. I have a couple of 42's that have been used for parts, so IF I can fix it with out wrecking another one, the cost would be inexpensive- 20 to 30 bucks. Actually, I only have one good one left, and I need to keep that one, but chances are I can fix it. I do have a WMFGX822 you covet, but for what I paid for it you would not be interested... cc From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 14:47:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60767 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 21:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 21:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 21:47:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 21:47:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:47:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} my srf-42... :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001901c394f7$ec09bd00$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 948 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key What's the GX822 like? How would you say it compares with the SRF-42? Also, if I was to buy one would I expect to pay $100, $150, $200, or what for it? (if it's one of the higher $#s I'm not ready to get one yet) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Well, first of all, you will not find anything like the 42 that will equal > it's high end freq response- especially in a digital radio. The digital > walkmans that I have had, and I have had most all of them,. cut off at 3K or > so. > The SRF42 was the best ever (for the money) walkman available. > I have a couple of 42's that have been used for parts, so IF I can fix it > with out wrecking another one, the cost would be inexpensive- 20 to 30 > bucks. Actually, I only have one good one left, and I need to keep that one, > but chances are I can fix it. > I do have a WMFGX822 you covet, but for what I paid for it you would not be > interested... > cc From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 17 14:50:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 615 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 21:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 21:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 21:50:35 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.127]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:53:01 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01c394f8$94dfc8c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} my srf-42... :( Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:49:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The 822 is new in the box, and cost me about $300 cc "Tu tienes preguntas, nosotros tenemos repuestes" ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key To: Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 5:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} my srf-42... :( > What's the GX822 like? How would you say it compares with the SRF-42? > Also, if I was to buy one would I expect to pay $100, $150, $200, or > what for it? (if it's one of the higher $#s I'm not ready to get one yet) From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 16:03:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91286 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 23:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 23:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 23:03:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 23:03:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:03:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HI Ian D. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3931 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key here are a few sound clips of a few stations that for some reason fail to have functioning C-Quam exciters... News/Talk 890 KPB: http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/lacking_stereo_0 1a/NewsTalk_890_KPB.mp3 Sports Radio 1500 WPWT: http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/lacking_stereo_0 1a/SportsRadio_1500_WPWT-blank_carrier.mp3 (on the air but broadcasting dead air when I checked them, and have been doing dead air the last several times I've tuned to that frequency) Hot Talk 1660 WPJP: http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/lacking_stereo_0 1a/Hot_Talk_1660_WPJP.mp3 Newsradio 1690 WPUA: http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/lacking_stereo_0 1a/Newsradio_1690_WPUA.mp3 disclaimer: I recorded them on a mono radio that is a little less sensitive than my SRF-42, which is ill. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > more stations that should be AM Stereo.... :-D > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > Here's a list (not all inclusive) of stations that need to broadcast > > in AM Stereo. ;) > > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?state=&call=&arn=&c ity=&freq=530&fre2=1700&facid=&list=1&dist=&dlat2= &mlat2=&slat2=&NS=N&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&EW=W&size=9 > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, JimSmith wrote: > > > > > > > I have 4 stock ams radios and 2 convertions. Yes Ian i have > > > > day stations KCBC 770 Am Stereo ( bile) Riverbank Ca U.S.A > > > > and KCTC 1320 Am Stereo Sacramento Ca U.S.A 30's 40's and early > > > > 50's music. At night i can get 820 am stereo were ? And both > > > > from Los Angales Ca U.S.A KNX 1070 Am Stereo and KABC 790 > > > > Am Stereo. > > > > > > Hey Jim - you're certainly an AMS fanatic - and just what we need > here. > > > > > > > My whish list is KFRC 610 am mono San Francisco Ca U.S.A thay use > > > > to sound great in c-quam. And the station i live neer KAHI 950 am > > > > mono Aubun Ca U.S.A. > > > > > > Anything is possible! We've got lots of members in California. > > Maybe we > > > can try and get KFRC back in stereo! (The callsign looks a bit like > > a GOP > > > version of Kentucky Fried Chicken.) > > > > > > > I live 35 miles NE from Sacramento Ca U.S.A. Well i can get a > > > > little long winded. > > > > > > Yo - not far from Marysville ... We have a Marysville here in > Victoria. > > > Its radio station 3CV (Central Victoria) went to FM about 10 years > > ago and > > > seemingly has lost the plot - in that now only local listeners can > hear > > > it. > > > > > > > . Thank You Ian D > > > > > > Thank you Jim! > > > > > > I joined an AMS list about three and a half years ago to hopefully > > keep it > > > alive - at least here. It's still a big secret in Australia. But > it's > > > still surviving ... yet going downhill. > > > > > > My view is that us lot must do all we can to keep it alive. There > > are so > > > many times when I think the cause is lost. Then I hear one of my > > > favourite ever tracks on our Magic 693 Khz (3EE) and I know it's > > right to > > > fight on. > > > > > > You'll find messages on this list from Tom and Kerry at WOR - New > York - > > > who are probably doing the right thing with experimenting with IBOC. > > (Hey > > > - wouldn't it be great if it worked!) > > > > > > [I could say that was Tom and Jerry but I won't.] :) (Amy???) > > > > > > What I want to say is ... > > > > > > We've got 229 members now. Many of you must be new. Stop! > sitting back > > > and lurking. Write a message to us and tell us which stations need > > > saving. There are many of us here who will do anything to help the > > cause > > > of advancing ((( AM STEREO ))). > > > > > > Ian > > > Melbourne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [iaaas] > > > > > > ooops From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 16:03:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39851 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 23:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 23:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 23:03:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 23:03:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:03:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} my srf-42... :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c394f8$94dfc8c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 646 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key ouch! Where'd you get it? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > The 822 is new in the box, and cost me about $300 > > cc > "Tu tienes preguntas, nosotros tenemos repuestes" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pianoplayer88key > To: > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} my srf-42... :( > > > > What's the GX822 like? How would you say it compares with the SRF-42? > > Also, if I was to buy one would I expect to pay $100, $150, $200, or > > what for it? (if it's one of the higher $#s I'm not ready to get one yet) From braillers@verizon.net Fri Oct 17 16:12:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: braillers@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38927 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 23:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 23:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out001.verizon.net) (206.46.170.140) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 23:11:59 -0000 Received: from DBY1VT21 ([138.89.184.192]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20031017231159.SRZ29543.out001.verizon.net@DBY1VT21> for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:11:59 -0500 Message-ID: <008901c39504$16c78c50$94e1fea9@DBY1VT21> To: References: <20031017042825.24601.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> <006c01c394ed$02709b00$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} best daytime DX Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:12:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [138.89.184.192] at Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:11:58 -0500 From: "Luis Guerra" Reply-To: "Luis Guerra" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=156951300 X-Yahoo-Profile: unionhill2002 I remember the days when PJB came in as strong as CKLW in NJ. Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 4:26 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} best daytime DX > My best daytime DX was PJB out of Bonaire on 800 when I was still in > highschool- 74 I think. They were directional to the south even then, but > are no longer running the massive 500kW. I think they're only 50k now. > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:28 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} best daytime DX > > > > > > --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > > >Last winter one day WSAI in Cincinnati ( I am in > > > South Carolina) was > > > listenable all day, and even on a portable. > > > > > > Today on my lunch break, I was surfing the band and > > > heard WLW 700 while > > > parked in Spartanburg, SC. On FM, WEZL 103.5 > > > Charleston had a quieting > > > signal in Greenville and Spartanburg this morning, > > > and WJZX 99.7 was > > > blanking out WRFX. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > I have also heard WLW at noon in the winter. Last > > winter when WSAI was in all day, not a trace from WLW. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 16:26:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39349 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 23:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 23:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 23:26:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2003 23:26:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:26:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: best daytime DX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006c01c394ed$02709b00$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1074 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > My best daytime DX was PJB out of Bonaire on 800 when I was still > in highschool- 74 I think. They were directional to the south even > then, but are no longer running the massive 500kW. I think they're > only 50k now. The best daytime DXing opportunity ever was in the '60s when the U.S. government conducted a nationwide test of the CONELRAD system. *All* AM stations in the USA, except those configured to operate on the CONELRAD frequencies of 640 and 1240 kHz, had to shut down for half an hour. Needless to say, listeners all across the country had an easy time picking up stations from Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, and beyond, which did not go off the air. CONELRAD is now long gone, replaced by EBS and now EAS, as well as NOAA Weather Radio. However, I think IBOC transmissions should not be allowed in an area at any time when a State of Emergency is declared. AM radio is the preferred source of potentially life- saving information in times of emergency, and in that case, its full potential to be heard by the public must be preserved. From bratina501@msn.com Fri Oct 17 19:48:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24031 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 02:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 02:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 02:48:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2003 02:48:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 02:48:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: radio advertising Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031017052107.57204.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 148 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Does it do AM Stereo! ;-) > michael No it does not do AM stereo From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Oct 17 21:16:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2246 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 04:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 04:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 04:16:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:16:19 -0700 Received: from 172.173.15.72 by bay7-dav29.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 04:16:19 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031017170312.85893.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WAGL 1560 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:12:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2003 04:16:19.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[94E9CB50:01C3952E] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.173.15.72] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > Beach music, though I like it in small amounts has been a dismal failure even in South Carolina. It has proved to be a niche format that cannot keep a radio station on the air. Yes and it is a shame. I loved the way WANS 1280 did it, but it was so under-promoted that even people in Anderson didn't know about it, much less listen. Now that WANS is Black Gospel, I wonder how it will do in the long haul. I think it should take listeners away from WPJM 800 due to audio quality, if for no other reason. I should post an audio file of WPJM for the entertainment of the list members LOL. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 21:21:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49747 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 04:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 04:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 04:21:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20031018042118.84967.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.121] by web60108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:21:18 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: upstate SC stations To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > Beach music, though I like it in small amounts has > been a dismal failure > even in South Carolina. It has proved to be a niche > format that cannot keep > a radio station on the air. > > Yes and it is a shame. I loved the way WANS 1280 did > it, but it was so > under-promoted that even people in Anderson didn't > know about it, much less > listen. Now that WANS is Black Gospel, I wonder how > it will do in the long > haul. I was unimpressed with the Black Gospel. I wasn't particularly impressed with the Beach format either. It seemed exceptionally inconsistent when I heard it. > I think it should take listeners away from > WPJM 800 due to audio > quality, if for no other reason. I should post an > audio file of WPJM for the > entertainment of the list members LOL. > > Kevin I may have to ride up there and take a listen. And them call them to tweak them about their audio. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 21:32:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25625 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 04:32:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 04:32:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 04:32:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20031018043209.13825.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:32:09 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WAGL 1560 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is "Beach" format? Beachboys etc? A for entertainment files someone should send their crappiest Cb/telephone quality monologue AM clip for anyone(me!) to listen too. Michael Possum Hunter wrote: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > Beach music, though I like it in small amounts has been a dismal failure even in South Carolina. It has proved to be a niche format that cannot keep a radio station on the air. Yes and it is a shame. I loved the way WANS 1280 did it, but it was so --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From possumhunter@netzero.net Fri Oct 17 22:02:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96672 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 05:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 05:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.96) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 05:02:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:02:15 -0700 Received: from 172.173.15.72 by bay7-dav39.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 05:02:15 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031018042118.84967.qmail@web60108.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} upstate SC stations Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:58:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2003 05:02:15.0767 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFB92E70:01C39534] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.173.15.72] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > I may have to ride up there and take a listen. And them call them to tweak them about their audio. Their audio sucks, but if I were you, I wouldnt help them. They are a repeat offender with tower violations, as well as EAS violations. Most of the local contract engineers will not touch it, for good reason. I know I don't want *MY* fingerprints on it! WPJM's audio sounds worse than WWRB when it first signed on as WGTG Short Wave. Kevin From jimsmith@vfr.net Fri Oct 17 23:23:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67207 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 06:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 06:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 06:23:57 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-34-61.rev.o1.com [66.81.34.61]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9I6Ns843354; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:23:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c39540$36bff060$3d225142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: I say Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:22:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi I say any one in the forum in Northen California ear shot of KFRC Am 610 to please wright to them and say that you want the c-quam back on on 610 am!!!! I have been buging them for about 2 years now and not geting any where with them. There mailing is KFRC RADIO 500 Washington St 2nd floor San Francisco Ca 94111 or call live 1-800-456 -KFRC . Please help restore this station to it's former glory. Thay still play a lot of good oldies. Thank You Jim Smith P.S www.kfrc.com From dav259@csiro.au Sat Oct 18 01:01:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10263 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 08:01:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 08:01:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 08:01:12 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9I819P2000463 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:01:11 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:01:09 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: am stereo Subject: Re: {AMSF} bageing kfrc In-Reply-To: <000f01c394ad$a039c720$a3d25142@jimsmith> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Jim Smith wrote: > I was weaned on am . So was I Jim. I don't like any of the commercial FM stations here. Some of the community ones are OK though. > Does magic 693 have a web cast and do they play any usa music? Magic doesn't stream live but it has a good website http://www.magic693.com/ It plays about 55% American music, 25% Australian, and 20% British. It's a great mix and they have a playlist of 3500 and never play the same track more than once a day. Ian Melbourne From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 02:07:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75426 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 09:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 09:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41005.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 09:07:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20031018090703.13898.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.42.2] by web41005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 02:07:03 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 02:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00a401c394f0$d5817980$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Yes. It's specifically the Dynamax MX8L. It's an 8-channel board that apparently does not have a left channel. Here's my latest problem: I wired up a 1/8" plug to an XLR cable (L+ to tip, R+ to the middle space, GND. to bottom part) and @ the board I have each wire going into its appropriate slot. As for the neg. sides, I just jumpered them as well as the ground I wasn't using. The cable is Belden 8451. Now, when I hooked up a laptop to see if it was stereo, the right VU meter looked fine whereas the left VU meter was barely moving. This was in Program. In Audition the left moved a little more, but not much. Maybe -20. I've tried upping every pot I could find inside the board without turning the master Program or Audition L & R pots up. Why is this happening? Is the left channel blown out? I did find a microchip hanging around inside the console and I think this particular pot is missing a microchip. I seem to remember a bare IC socket where it would fit. Is this the problem? Thanks, Jay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 05:35:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81928 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 12:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 12:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 12:35:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2003 12:35:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:35:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: a few that should be stereo but aren't... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1462 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key What could be done about these stations? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > here are a few sound clips of a few stations that for some reason fail > to have functioning C-Quam exciters... > > News/Talk 890 KPB: > http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/lacking_stereo_01a/NewsTalk_890_KPB.mp3 > Sports Radio 1500 WPWT: > http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/lacking_stereo_01a/SportsRadio_1500_WPWT-blank_carrier.mp3 > (on the air but broadcasting dead air when I checked them, and have > been doing dead air the last several times I've tuned to that > frequency) > Hot Talk 1660 WPJP: > http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/lacking_stereo_01a/Hot_Talk_1660_WPJP.mp3 > Newsradio 1690 WPUA: > http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/lacking_stereo_01a/Newsradio_1690_WPUA.mp3 > > disclaimer: I recorded them on a mono radio that is a little less > sensitive than my SRF-42, which is ill. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > more stations that should be AM Stereo.... :-D > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > > wrote: > > > Here's a list (not all inclusive) of stations that need to > broadcast > > > in AM Stereo. ;) > > > > > > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?state=&call=&arn=&city=&freq=530&fre2=1700&facid=&list=1&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&NS=N&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&EW=W&size=9 > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 05:55:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7131 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 12:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 12:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 12:54:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20031018125457.4787.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 05:54:57 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 05:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} upstate SC stations To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > I may have to ride up there and take a listen. And > them call them to tweak > them about their audio. > Their audio sucks, but if I were you, I wouldnt help > them. They are a repeat > offender with tower violations, as well as EAS > violations. Most of the local > contract engineers will not touch it, for good > reason. I know I don't want > *MY* fingerprints on it! > WPJM's audio sounds worse than WWRB when it first > signed on as WGTG Short > Wave. > Kevin I certainly won't but giving them a serious tweak ( meaning a RAZZ) won't hurt! There's some stuff I can say about the person that owns the station, but *I* certainly don't want to do it in print anywhere.... Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 05:58:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80667 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 12:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 12:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60102.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 12:58:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20031018125831.79738.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 05:58:31 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 05:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beach Music To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031018043209.13825.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Michael and Ross wrote: > What is "Beach" format? Beachboys etc? > A for entertainment files someone should send their > crappiest Cb/telephone quality monologue AM clip for > anyone(me!) to listen too. > > Michael It's a format that has a lot of 60's style black oldies and but not exclusively. UH, I wonder how much it would cost to send you a 4 CD set of an Beach show we carry ? Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Oct 18 07:19:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13580 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 14:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 14:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.121.226) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 14:19:41 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-012scfairp0328.dialsprint.net ([63.189.177.74] helo=earthlink.net) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AArvg-00040l-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 07:19:41 -0700 Message-ID: <3F914C09.7D1B05E1@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:19:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Beach Music References: <20031018125831.79738.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 How is the name "beach" music related to black oldies music? Just curious - Dick W. "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > --- Michael and Ross wrote: > > What is "Beach" format? Beachboys etc? > > A for entertainment files someone should send their > > crappiest Cb/telephone quality monologue AM clip for > > anyone(me!) to listen too. > > > > Michael > > It's a format that has a lot of 60's style black > oldies and but not exclusively. UH, I wonder how much > it would cost to send you a 4 CD set of an Beach show > we carry ? > > Powell > > ===== > powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 07:28:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54887 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 14:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 14:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 14:28:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2003 14:28:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:28:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: best time of day to DX asia from western USA? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1217 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Specifically, what's the best time to try stations from Australia, New Zealand, Japan, China, etc? (listening from San Diego, CA on a Panasonic RQ-SW20 walkman-style radio using only the built-in antenna with the radio sitting on a chainlink fence which helps improve signal) I took my radio outside at around 7am local time (Pacific Daylight) and tried several frequencies, like 567, 657, 756, 774, 828, 1008, 1035, 1080, 1107, 1512, 1548, and 1566. I also recorded it as I was channel surfing, but the sound file is kinda big so I gotta size it down some before I post it anywhere. On 567, I heard splatter from KLAC 570 Los Angeles, on 756 and 774 I got splatter from 760 KFMB (Local), on 828 I got 830 KPLS Orange (plus something else in the background), on 1035 I got 1040 KURS (local), on 1080 I got adjacent-channel to 1070 KNX Los Angeles, on 1107 I got QRM from a fairly strong 1130 KSDO (local), on 1548 I found 1550 XEBG Tijuana mixing in. The other frequencies might also have a chance of picking something up, but 756 and 774, and 1035, would probably be the least likely for me. Anyone have any suggestions on how to DX across the Pacific using only a portable / walkman with the built-in antenna? From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 07:43:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44837 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 14:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 14:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 14:43:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20031018144339.24092.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 07:43:39 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 07:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Beach Music To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3F914C09.7D1B05E1@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Dick W wrote: > How is the name "beach" music related to black > oldies music? Just curious - > Dick W. Actually it is a very specific genre, and though there are some white groups in there, I really do not know the answer to it. I guess it relates to the Shag and Myrtle Beach etc....Possum Hunter....HELP me on this! Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Oct 18 08:03:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40278 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 15:03:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 15:03:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 15:03:04 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.158.98.40]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20031018150304.YPKR1828.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:03:04 -0400 Message-ID: <04b401c39588$ed105fb0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <20031017170312.85893.qmail@web60102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Beach Music Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:03:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Surf 94.9 had a very respectable book, and is trending up. The next ratings will be a good indicator. I hate ratings ! When you live by the book, you die by the book. Juan WGNX (formerly of WGYL....because of ratings) ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:03 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WAGL 1560 --- JNR wrote: > Yes to stereo, no to the format. Instead... > > BEACH MUSIC ALL DAY! From sunup to sundown it's > the best music in town! Sandy 1560!" > > I KNEW there was a reason why I was made Program > Director! > > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ Beach music, though I like it in small amounts has been a dismal failure even in South Carolina. It has proved to be a niche format that cannot keep a radio station on the air. This MOYL has some medium oldies in it also, so it's not that bad. WCAM in Camden SC (1590) is mostly beautiful music. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Oct 18 08:11:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13349 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 15:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 15:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 15:11:48 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.158.98.40]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20031018151147.YSEM1828.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:11:47 -0400 Message-ID: <04c201c3958a$25f82230$af78fea9@juan> To: Subject: OT: Beach Music Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:11:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For a good explanation of Beach Music, try this http://www.beachshag.com/ImagesSoundsResources/BeachShag.html Also Chris Beachley's Wax Museum has a lot of the newer stuff, as far as the music goes www.waxmuseum.net Juan WGNX Fort Pierce, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Oct 18 08:24:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77170 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 15:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 15:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 15:24:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2003 15:24:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:24:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031015101009.74116.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 265 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.18.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Thanks Ian I used to be on that list but after an isp change I couldnt find it. > What freq/where was KOMA? What radio was it recorded on? > Michael > Where do I find this list ? From oldphones@webtv.net Sat Oct 18 09:00:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15647 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 16:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 16:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.192) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 16:00:17 -0000 Received: from storefull-2116.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2116.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.156]) by smtpout-3101.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 63DBABE71 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2116.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id JAA23739; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:00:17 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR7CNKn1URrPTDqcyauHJVFB+BiewIUWtJAuObljZin8ClwN7FxJxTR7uw= Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:00:17 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: billsnyder@webtv.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBAP Dallas 11/22/1963 Message-ID: <13847-3F916391-451@storefull-2116.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 18 Oct 2003 08:22:38 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Hi Group members, I know that this post is sort of off topic, BUT I think that most of our group member are interested in the History of broadcasting and of our Nation. I just found out that station WBAP 820 (((AM Stereo))) Dallas / Fort Worth, Texas will be re-airing original tapes of the Day President John F. Kennedy was shot and killed Nov 22nd, 1963. Seems that a box of old reel to reel tapes were found in the basement of Channel 5 television ( originally WBAP-TV ) with the broadcast from that famous day in history, a few years ago. I don't need to tell you of the extreme historical significance of this find. It's a miracle that some idiot didn't erase them or toss them away!! Almost 40 years old, portions of these tapes were aired five years ago on the 35th anniversary of said event, I did record some of that when I used to live in Dallas // Irving, TX five years ago. What I would like to ask is:: Do we have a member or members that live near Dallas --- Or planning to Visit Dallas, Texas on Saturday Nov 22nd, 2003 ---- That could record some of these broadcasts? The broadcasts are to start at 11:00 am Central time on WBAP and last 7 1/2 hours. I would suggest using a stereo or mono VCR to record the broadcast, which could be dubbed over to cassettes or burned onto CD's for our members. If you want to record using an AM stereo receiver, all the better -- although the source material is all mono ( 1963 ) recordings. I'd love to go to Dallas myself, But I don't think my car is up to the job. ( It's about a 8 to 10 hour drive from Omaha.) WBAP has a strong 50,000 watts signal that can be heard over most of North Texas into Oklahoma for 200 to 300 miles daytime, and can be heard over a wide area at night. At last check, they are one of the very few News/Talk stations still in stereo on the AM band. For more info on the 11-22-03 event, go to WBAP's website at >> WBAP.COM Can anyone take on this sort of Project??? Please advise and discuss Thanks, Bill Snyder // Oldphones Omaha, NE Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 10:32:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15873 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 17:32:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 17:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 17:32:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2003 17:32:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:32:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: best time of day to DX asia from western USA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1763 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Specifically, what's the best time to try stations from Australia, New > Zealand, Japan, China, etc? (listening from San Diego, CA on a > Panasonic RQ-SW20 walkman-style radio using only the built-in antenna > with the radio sitting on a chainlink fence which helps improve signal) About 11-11:30pm to 8am, California time. :) For Japan and Korea, aim northwest! The path will follow a "great circle", or as straight a line as can be done on a globe. Best time of year is from about late-October to early-April, in my experience, for capturing trans-Pacific stations. How you can tell you're getting something is if you're getting a heterodyne that matches the offset from the 9kHz Asian channel- spacing to our own 10kHz. > I took my radio outside at around 7am local time (Pacific Daylight) > and tried several frequencies, like 567, 657, 756, 774, 828, 1008, > 1035, 1080, 1107, 1512, 1548, and 1566. I also recorded it as I was > channel surfing, but the sound file is kinda big so I gotta size it > down some before I post it anywhere. How big is the file, as-is? How much diskspace is on your website, if you can add it there? Have you thought of uploading to ftp.amstereoradio.com, which has some room? =snip= > Anyone have any suggestions on how to DX across the Pacific using only > a portable / walkman with the built-in antenna? Get a Select-A-Tenna or Terk AM Advantage antenna, or something similar-- These really aid in directionability. Get a second, if you want to null out stronger, adjacent-channel signals offv your beam. Using a tunable inductive antenna REALLY helps, and it acts a bit like a Fresnel lens. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 10:35:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44147 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 17:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 17:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 17:35:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2003 17:35:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:35:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Beach Music Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031018144339.24092.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Dick W wrote: > > How is the name "beach" music related to black > > oldies music? Just curious - > > Dick W. > > Actually it is a very specific genre, and though there > are some white groups in there, I really do not know > the answer to it. I guess it relates to the Shag and > Myrtle Beach etc....Possum Hunter....HELP me on this! I think it's the Shag/Myrtle Beach thing, yes. Although here on the West Coast, say "Beach" and they'll think "Surf", ala Beach Boys, Jan & Dean, Dick Dale, the Ventures.... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 12:11:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97137 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 19:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 19:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41215.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 19:11:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20031018191142.81981.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:11:42 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} best time of day to DX asia from western USA? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You would have to listen when the whole path is "Dark" like i think Californias about 4 hours "ahead" of NZ and currently 7 hours ahead of Sydney and Melbourne but "yesterday" this will all change again with daylight saving(we been on daylight time since Oct 5th and the States loose it in the last week of October and Australia starts it about Labour Weekend(Next Sunday so NZ will be only 2 hours behind NZ). Also the lengthening twilite especially in the south also means currently its about 10pm local time we get Australia because of daylight I was getting Sydney 2UE 954 lastnight at times blocking a groundwave semi local on a Sony SRF A300. Try 531PI (pacific Island music)in Auckland on 531kHz as well its right at the bottom of the band and it carries a lot. Michael pianoplayer88key wrote: Specifically, what's the best time to try stations from Australia, New Zealand, Japan, China, etc? (listening from San Diego, CA on a Panasonic RQ-SW20 walkman-style radio using only the built-in antenna with the radio sitting on a chainlink fence which helps improve signal) I took my radio outside at around 7am local time (Pacific Daylight) and tried several frequencies, like 567, 657, 756, 774, 828, 1008, --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 12:23:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41818 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 19:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 19:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 19:23:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20031018192345.45931.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:23:45 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: best time of day to DX asia from western USA? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hear the hetrodyne usually if I turn a sensitive radio north east like to Hawaii and can hear it as it blocks the pesky Dunedin 693 to the south and the aust stations(Magic 693 ams and 4KQ Brisbane will be nulled out as they to the west). As for hetrodynes the TV switched on! can be a good indicator what frequency is being heard IE 1251 has a high pitched whine wheres 1250 has just a "rumble" without a whine or 890 had a shrill whine wheres 891 has a raspy low pitch hetrodyne.Does anyone else use this method even though the TV interfers? Michael Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > How you can tell you're getting something is if you're getting a heterodyne that matches the offset from the 9kHz Asian channel- spacing to our own 10kHz. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat Oct 18 12:33:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44084 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 19:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 19:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 19:33:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2003 19:33:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:33:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SRF-A100/A200 misc. questions Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 777 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Had some questions about the much applauded SRF-A100: Does anyone know how many khz. wide is the "narrow" setting of the SRF-A100? It's pretty narrow, but it's gotta be wider than 3.5khz, which is the width of my Grundig Satellit 700's "wide" setting, and the "Narrow" setting of the SRF-A100 sounds wider than that. Also, I've asked this before, but I'd like other opinions: Has anyone found out just how high the SRF-A100's "wide" bandwidth setting will go? Does it have a limit, or is it pretty much all the way? And finally, are there any differences between the Sony-SRFA100 N. American version, and the Australian SRF-A200 (which is supposedly the SRF-A100 but for Australia?) Did that model also come with an "A-B" switch, or was it C-QUAM only? Tony Simon From warp1250amstereo@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 12:34:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: warp1250amstereo@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82199 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 19:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 19:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 19:34:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2003 19:34:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:34:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WRRL (Real Oldies 1690) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 609 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Danny McConnell" X-Originating-IP: 68.75.52.25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162961820 X-Yahoo-Profile: warp1250amstereo Hi all! I just joined and I'm sad to report that WRRL in Chicago is still not broadcasting in AM stereo yet. I am looking forward to the day! Also, I am looking for an AM stereo tuner that Realistic made about 1986 or so. I used to see that alot, but I never bought one. Now that I want one, of course RS doesn't carry it anymore (surprised?) If anyone has any information where I could get one, or if they have an extra one they could sell me, I'd greatly appreciate it. In the interim, I am also working on my own part 15 rules station AM/FM combo. It will be on the air soon as well. Danny From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 12:40:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30356 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 19:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 19:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 19:40:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20031018194049.4194.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:40:49 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRRL (Real Oldies 1690) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They are the TM152 AM-AM Stereo tuners Theyre often on ebay probably the most of any AMS radios. Michael Danny McConnell wrote: Hi all! I just joined and I'm sad to report that WRRL in Chicago is still not broadcasting in AM stereo yet. I am looking forward to the day! Also, I am looking for an AM stereo tuner that Realistic made about 1986 or so. I used to see that alot, but I never bought one. Now that I want one, of course RS doesn't carry it anymore (surprised?) If anyone has any information where I could get one, or if they have an extra one they could sell me, I'd greatly appreciate it. In the interim, I am also working on my own part 15 rules station AM/FM combo. It will be on the air soon as well. Danny Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 12:42:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75290 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 19:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 19:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 19:42:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2003 19:42:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:42:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} best time of day to DX asia from western USA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031018191142.81981.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 583 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > You would have to listen when the whole path is "Dark" like i think Not entirely true, although yes, the best DX is during so- called "graylining", that is along the day/night terminator, but my DX from Japan has been from Japanese local midday/mid-afternoon (or around midnight, California local) to manditory broadcast shutdown at around 8am, California local. The signal peaks out between 6 and 8am. As you can expect, DX is best at the start of winter, in late December. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 12:49:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22921 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 19:49:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 19:49:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 19:49:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20031018194959.38384.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:49:59 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} best time of day to DX asia from western USA? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do get good Dx from Australia as it is getting light here in the morning(as some of the local "night" ones fade out) and it often carries on after the stars have dissapeared and even 1/2 sometimes after the sun is shining then it all goes into the muck and the locals "seem to get wider bandwidth" after that. Michael Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > You would have to listen when the whole path is "Dark" like i think Not entirely true, although yes, the best DX is during so- called "graylining", that is along the day/night terminator, but my DX from Japan has been from Japanese local midday/mid-afternoon (or around midnight, California local) to manditory broadcast shutdown at around 8am, California local. The signal peaks out between 6 and 8am. As you can expect, DX is best at the start of winter, in late December. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Oct 18 13:51:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28309 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 20:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 20:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.49) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 20:51:57 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-012scfairp0244.dialsprint.net ([63.189.176.244] helo=earthlink.net) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AAy3I-00036W-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:51:56 -0700 Message-ID: <3F91A7EB.47ECC961@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:51:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Beach Music References: From: Dick W X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info. Here in Florida, we would also think of beach music as "surf" music, etc. Dick W, Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > --- Dick W wrote: > > > How is the name "beach" music related to black > > > oldies music? Just curious - > > > Dick W. > > > > Actually it is a very specific genre, and though there > > are some white groups in there, I really do not know > > the answer to it. I guess it relates to the Shag and > > Myrtle Beach etc....Possum Hunter....HELP me on this! > > I think it's the Shag/Myrtle Beach thing, yes. Although here on the > West Coast, say "Beach" and they'll think "Surf", ala Beach Boys, Jan > & Dean, Dick Dale, the Ventures.... > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat Oct 18 14:03:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38390 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 21:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 21:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 21:03:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2003 21:03:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 21:03:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WRRL (Real Oldies 1690) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 835 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 68.158.235.198 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx > I just joined and I'm sad to report that WRRL in Chicago is still not > broadcasting in AM stereo yet. I am looking forward to the day! Actually, the correct calls are WRLL...I wouldn't hold my breath on this one ever going Stereo, actually...We've been lamenting the lack on Stereo for WRLL, and the theory is that they will probably, sadly instead go the IBOC route. > Also, I am looking for an AM stereo tuner that Realistic made about > 1986 or so. I used to see that alot, but I never bought one. Now that > I want one, of course RS doesn't carry it anymore (surprised?) If > anyone has any information where I could get one, or if they have an > extra one they could sell me, I'd greatly appreciate it. Yes, the TM-152....Shows up every now and then on eBay, which is where I got mine 3 years ago. Tony Simon From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 14:37:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90123 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 21:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 21:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 21:37:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2003 21:37:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 21:37:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1072 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the alt.radio.broadcasting newsgroup... could he be referring to 1530 WSAI? I know WSAI has stopped trashing up the band with IBOC "tests" at night, but I don't know if they're still using it during the daytime, or not. And I'm still waiting for them to ditch the 5 kHz audio filter they use at night; it sounds very dull compared to full-bandwidth AM audio. From: Mark Howell (geezer@radio411.com) Subject: Re: AM audio quality: analog vs. digital Newsgroups: alt.radio.broadcasting Date: 2003-10-18 07:26:03 PST On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:56:15 -0400, Rich Wood wrote: >HDTV shows the consumer an amazing quality difference. IBOC will >show the consumer its bad side (adjacent garbage) before they ever >purchase a radio. I've heard IBOC on an IBOC receiver. I was very >disappointed in the artifacts I heard. > >Until IBOC can be used 24/7 I see no hope for it. I learned this week of a 50kw major market AM station that has pulled the plug on its IBOC experiment because of its adverse affect on the analog signal. Mark Howell From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Oct 18 14:51:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97797 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 21:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 21:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 21:51:09 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.149]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:53:37 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01c395c1$d2e5ad00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20031018144339.24092.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Beach Music Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:50:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 How about some examples (artisyts, song titles)of Beach music that made the radio everywhere? (so folks can say to themselves "oh- "that's" what they mean by beach music") I also had never heard of the term before Jay told me about it.. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 14:56:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83788 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 21:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 21:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 21:56:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20031018215637.90105.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:56:37 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1530 WSAI dumps IBOC? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Kevin T." wrote: > From the alt.radio.broadcasting newsgroup... could > he be referring to > 1530 WSAI? I know WSAI has stopped trashing up the > band with IBOC > "tests" at night, but I don't know if they're still > using it during > the daytime, or not. And I'm still waiting for them > to ditch the > 5 kHz audio filter they use at night; it sounds very > dull compared > to full-bandwidth AM audio. WSAI's was just a test. I will do some checking when I feel better. This Upper Respitory thing is only slowly ebbing. Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 15:08:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78835 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 22:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 22:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 22:08:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2003 22:08:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:08:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: best time of day to DX asia from western USA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2435 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > Specifically, what's the best time to try stations from Australia, > New > > Zealand, Japan, China, etc? (listening from San Diego, CA on a > > Panasonic RQ-SW20 walkman-style radio using only the built-in > antenna > > with the radio sitting on a chainlink fence which helps improve > signal) > > About 11-11:30pm to 8am, California time. :) For Japan and Korea, aim > northwest! The path will follow a "great circle", or as straight a > line as can be done on a globe. > > Best time of year is from about late-October to early-April, in my > experience, for capturing trans-Pacific stations. > > How you can tell you're getting something is if you're getting a > heterodyne that matches the offset from the 9kHz Asian channel- > spacing to our own 10kHz. > > > I took my radio outside at around 7am local time (Pacific Daylight) > > and tried several frequencies, like 567, 657, 756, 774, 828, 1008, > > 1035, 1080, 1107, 1512, 1548, and 1566. I also recorded it as I was > > channel surfing, but the sound file is kinda big so I gotta size it > > down some before I post it anywhere. > > How big is the file, as-is? How much diskspace is on your website, if > you can add it there? Have you thought of uploading to > ftp.amstereoradio.com, which has some room? My website is nearly full, otherwise I would put it there. The file is approx 1.62MB (1,665K) > > =snip= > > > Anyone have any suggestions on how to DX across the Pacific using > only > > a portable / walkman with the built-in antenna? > > Get a Select-A-Tenna or Terk AM Advantage antenna, or something > similar-- These really aid in directionability. Get a second, if you > want to null out stronger, adjacent-channel signals offv your beam. > > Using a tunable inductive antenna REALLY helps, and it acts a bit > like a Fresnel lens. :) I used to have a Select-A-Tenna one that I was borrowing from one of my dad's co-workers a few years ago. I should have my dad contact him and see if he'd be willing to sell it to me for a lower price than I would buy one new. What's the difference between the S-A-T and the Terk? (btw, with the SAT, I was able on one or two occasions to hear KGO 810 and KNBR 680 in San Diego, CA, during daylight hours. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From stodd@vippn.com Sat Oct 18 16:14:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90594 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 23:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 23:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 23:14:12 -0000 Message-ID: <005d01c395ce$3d5b48a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031018090703.13898.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:56:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sounds like a blown IC in the audio chain. I'm not familiar with BE boards, though, so I can't tell you which one it would be. Since it happens with every input you try it would probably be in the output module if it has any. Don't overlook the possibility that it might just be the metering, too. You can check the output levels in a relative sense just with a regular VOM set on a low AC range. If you don't have a manual for that board, get one. Chances are someone on the bnet engineering board has one they can photocopy for you. It should tell you what goes in that empty socket, if anything. I hope you set those pots back at their original positions if they didn't make any difference, or you could have quite a task ahead recalibrating the levels. Is your laptop the only portable signal source you have? I'd borrow a calibrated audio oscillator if I could, such as the Potomac Instruments AG-51. It only goes to 0dBm, so set your meters to read -4 or -8, depending upon how it was set up originally. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > Now, when I > hooked up a laptop to see if it was stereo, the > right VU meter looked fine whereas the left VU > meter was barely moving. This was in Program. > In Audition the left moved a little more, but not > much. Maybe -20. > > I've tried upping every pot I could find inside > the board without turning the master Program or > Audition L & R pots up. Why is this happening? > Is the left channel blown out? I did find a > microchip hanging around inside the console and I > think this particular pot is missing a microchip. > I seem to remember a bare IC socket where it > would fit. Is this the problem? From stodd@vippn.com Sat Oct 18 16:14:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12142 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 23:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 23:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 23:14:15 -0000 Message-ID: <005e01c395ce$3e3d1d20$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRRL (Real Oldies 1690) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:06:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I have my doubts this station will ever be analog stereo, considering who owns it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danny McConnell" > I just joined and I'm sad to report that WRRL in Chicago is still not > broadcasting in AM stereo yet. I am looking forward to the day! From stodd@vippn.com Sat Oct 18 16:14:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66721 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 23:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 23:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 23:14:17 -0000 Message-ID: <005f01c395ce$3f1ef1a0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} a few that should be stereo but aren't... Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:18:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Considering none of them have a music format, probably not much. If any of these did a significant percentage of local programming you might have a chance. If it's all stuff off the bird there'd be no point in going stereo because all the talk networks are mono. The one thing that could keep it alive would be readily available AMS receivers. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > What could be done about these stations? > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > here are a few sound clips of a few stations that for some reason fail > > to have functioning C-Quam exciters... From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 16:30:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59975 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2003 23:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2003 23:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2003 23:30:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2003 23:30:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:30:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} a few that should be stereo but aren't... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005f01c395ce$3f1ef1a0$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1022 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Did you by any chance listen to the mp3 clips and find out specifically what format they are? ;) btw, their groundwave service is very inefficient considering that I'm only 12-14 miles away and am getting a fringe signal. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Considering none of them have a music format, probably not much. If any of > these did a significant percentage of local programming you might have a > chance. If it's all stuff off the bird there'd be no point in going stereo > because all the talk networks are mono. The one thing that could keep it > alive would be readily available AMS receivers. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > > > What could be done about these stations? > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > > wrote: > > > here are a few sound clips of a few stations that for some reason fail > > > to have functioning C-Quam exciters... From dav259@csiro.au Sat Oct 18 18:20:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14887 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 01:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 01:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 01:20:27 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9J1KPP2019620 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:20:26 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:20:25 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Oz AM DX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, Dave wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross > wrote: > > Thanks Ian I used to be on that list but after an isp change I > couldnt find it. > > What freq/where was KOMA? What radio was it recorded on? > > Michael > > > > Where do I find this list ? Dave - to join just send a blank message to greylinedx@radiodx.com with subscribe in the subject line. Ian From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 19:26:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70320 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 02:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 02:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 02:26:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 02:26:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 02:26:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} best time of day to DX asia from western USA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031018194959.38384.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 876 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > I do get good Dx from Australia as it is getting light here in the morning(as some of the local "night" ones fade out) and it often carries on after the stars have dissapeared and even 1/2 sometimes after the sun is shining then it all goes into the muck and the locals "seem to get wider bandwidth" after that. First off, you're right across the strait from Oz! :) Secondly, yes, we have this problem over here, which the stations seem to relax their limits, splattering all over the place. :/ Not fun. But yes, grayline DX does continue well after sunrise, usually fading off within an hour of local sunrise. Can be fun. :) When I was a young mousie, I used to listen to some Fresno station, about 400-500 miles southeast of me, full quiet past 9am- Was fun. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 19:37:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86803 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 02:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 02:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 02:37:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 02:37:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 02:37:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: best time of day to DX asia from western USA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 756 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > My website is nearly full, otherwise I would put it there. The file > is approx 1.62MB (1,665K) Not that big. You can always upload it to the uploads directory at ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com, login as "amstereo", passwors "amstereo". > What's the difference between the S-A-T and the Terk? (btw, with the > SAT, I was able on one or two occasions to hear KGO 810 and KNBR 680 > in San Diego, CA, during daylight hours. The stock SAT has no ability to directly connect to antenna terminals, whereas the Terk does, but both operate the same way. The Terk is less-bulky, and it's cheaper. Both perform about the same, a roughly 35dB gain. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From possumhunter@netzero.net Sat Oct 18 19:40:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6196 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 02:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 02:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 02:40:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:40:03 -0700 Received: from 172.133.253.73 by bay7-dav26.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 02:40:02 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: <20031018144339.24092.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Beach Music Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:35:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2003 02:40:03.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C3F0430:01C395EA] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.133.253.73] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Actually it is a very specific genre, and though there are some white groups in there, I really do not know the answer to it. I guess it relates to the Shag and Myrtle Beach etc....Possum Hunter....HELP me on this! Beach Music is a Carolina thing that the Yankees and foreigners on this list just wouldn't understand. LOL It is like a smooth R&B based music that is popular along the North and South Carolina low country, but has migrated to the Midlands and Upstate in the past few years. It is also called "Race Music". A Kazaa search for the artists Embers, Catalinas, The Showmen, The Tymes, The Georgia Prophets, Frida Payne, or The Chairmen Of The Board should get you some fine Beach Music to listen to. Kevin From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 20:15:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52618 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 03:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 03:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 03:15:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 03:15:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:15:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Oz AM DX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 714 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I think on this list you can't easily post email addresses. Try putting a space between the @ and the domain. like... baseball_player @ mlb . com (ficticious address with real domain) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, Dave wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross > > wrote: > > > Thanks Ian I used to be on that list but after an isp change I > > couldnt find it. > > > What freq/where was KOMA? What radio was it recorded on? > > > Michael > > > > > > > Where do I find this list ? > > > Dave - to join just send a blank message to greylinedx@r... with > subscribe in the subject line. > > Ian From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 20:20:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91140 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 03:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 03:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 03:19:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 03:19:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:19:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: best time of day to DX asia from western USA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1228 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > > My website is nearly full, otherwise I would put it there. The file > > is approx 1.62MB (1,665K) > > Not that big. You can always upload it to the uploads directory at > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com, login as "amstereo", passwors "amstereo". ok, I'll put it there. Link: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/DX_attempt_SanDiegoCA_to_AsianStations_PanasonicRQSW20.mp3 > > > What's the difference between the S-A-T and the Terk? (btw, with > the > > SAT, I was able on one or two occasions to hear KGO 810 and KNBR 680 > > in San Diego, CA, during daylight hours. > > The stock SAT has no ability to directly connect to antenna > terminals, whereas the Terk does, but both operate the same way. The > Terk is less-bulky, and it's cheaper. Both perform about the same, a > roughly 35dB gain. Are there any antennas with more gain? Or, so that I would pretty much be guaranteed (unless man-made noise, etc. limits it) to get a signal on every channel, with some possibly so sensitive I'm getting co-channel interference? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 20:24:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27198 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 03:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 03:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 03:23:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 03:23:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:23:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: best time of day to DX asia from western USA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1100 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key another example of how sensitive an antenna I was thinking when I asked about a more sensitive one, would be to be able to get full quieting and stereo on a crystal-set when I'm 2x past the blue line on radio-locator.com out from the transmitter. (and also selective enough to reject stations on nearby channels, so that for example I could try to get a daytime signal on KFQD 750 Anchorage, AK, when I have a 5,000-watt (50kW nights) 760 KFMB 7-8 miles from me in the same direction. (or, also directional enough so that I could point east and get 760 from Denver, with 760 WJR underneath it. > > The stock SAT has no ability to directly connect to antenna > > terminals, whereas the Terk does, but both operate the same way. The > > Terk is less-bulky, and it's cheaper. Both perform about the same, a > > roughly 35dB gain. > > Are there any antennas with more gain? Or, so that I would pretty > much be guaranteed (unless man-made noise, etc. limits it) to get a > signal on every channel, with some possibly so sensitive I'm getting > co-channel interference? > > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 20:27:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14087 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 03:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 03:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 03:27:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 03:27:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:27:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Oz AM DX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 377 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > I think on this list you can't easily post email addresses. Try > putting a space between the @ and the domain. like... > baseball_player @ mlb . com (ficticious address with real domain) It shows if you're receiving this group by email, rather than on the web. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 20:35:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58121 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 03:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 03:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 03:35:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 03:35:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:35:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: best time of day to DX asia from western USA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 872 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 64.175.246.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > ok, I'll put it there. Link: > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/DX_attempt_SanDiegoCA_to_AsianStat ions_PanasonicRQSW20.mp3 Snagged. :) Will listen in a couple hours.. > Are there any antennas with more gain? Or, so that I would pretty > much be guaranteed (unless man-made noise, etc. limits it) to get a > signal on every channel, with some possibly so sensitive I'm getting > co-channel interference? Only a long wire with ground from antenna terminals on a tuner/receiver will give you more gain. Keep in mind what 35dB means, though-- Just -6- dB is a doubling of signal strength! So every 6 dB it doubles in strength, making 35 dB excellent amplification. :) And yes, it does amplify the static, too, but that's part of the fun of DXing. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 21:27:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29398 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 04:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 04:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 04:27:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20031019042724.28938.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.83] by web60106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 21:27:23 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 21:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LOOP antennas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > Only a long wire with ground from antenna terminals > on a > tuner/receiver will give you more gain. Keep in mind > what 35dB means, > though-- Just -6- dB is a doubling of signal > strength! So every 6 dB > it doubles in strength, making 35 dB excellent > amplification. :) And > yes, it does amplify the static, too, but that's > part of the fun of > DXing. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Not necessarily. Here's a page where you can make your own larger loop antennas: http://www.mindspring.com/~loop_antenna/ Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 22:11:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24900 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 05:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 05:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 05:11:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 05:11:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:11:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: best time of day to DX asia from western USA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1397 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > > ok, I'll put it there. Link: > > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/DX_attempt_SanDiegoCA_to_AsianStat > ions_PanasonicRQSW20.mp3 > > Snagged. :) Will listen in a couple hours.. Ok. Here's a pic of my setup... ;) http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/panasonic_fence_attempt_dx.jpg > > > Are there any antennas with more gain? Or, so that I would pretty > > much be guaranteed (unless man-made noise, etc. limits it) to get a > > signal on every channel, with some possibly so sensitive I'm getting > > co-channel interference? > > Only a long wire with ground from antenna terminals on a > tuner/receiver will give you more gain. Keep in mind what 35dB means, > though-- Just -6- dB is a doubling of signal strength! So every 6 dB > it doubles in strength, making 35 dB excellent amplification. :) And > yes, it does amplify the static, too, but that's part of the fun of > DXing. :) That reminds me... I'll have to make an mp3 sometime (daylight - it will have to wait till Monday unless I'm home early on Sunday cause I have other commitments) of me using my portable and a fence / power line to see how much amplification I get, and also using another radio to amplify the signal... > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Oct 19 00:23:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55751 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 07:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 07:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 07:23:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: N0UIHEric@aol.com Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 07:23:55 -0000 X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60377 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 05:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 05:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 05:01:41 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.d0.405c739b (4340) for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:01:35 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} HI Ian D. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 19 Oct 2003 07:23:54 -0000 The only 820 in AM Stereo I know about is WBAP Fort Worth, TX. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Sun Oct 19 01:24:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38886 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 08:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 08:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 08:24:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 08:24:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:24:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HI Ian D. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 649 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.45.131 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, n0uiheric@a... wrote: > The only 820 in AM Stereo I know about is WBAP Fort Worth, TX. > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi I think it's south from me they play olies rock and thay speak spanish. Thanks Jim S. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 02:01:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10048 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 09:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 09:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 09:01:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20031019090152.42653.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 02:01:52 PDT Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 02:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NZ Broadcasting Standards To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Like this but unfortunately we don't use it http://www.dse.co.nz/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/3f92512908b0f2a8273fc0a87f990722/Export/catalogs/DTS0000028 Copy and paste whole url Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 02:56:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2385 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 09:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 09:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 09:56:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 09:56:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:56:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: my srf-42... :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001901c394f7$ec09bd00$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 923 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key I have some JPGs of a service manual on my HD, and another non-functioning SRF-42. I wonder if it'd be possible to repair it myself? got any suggestions? maybe I could learn something.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Well, first of all, you will not find anything like the 42 that will equal > it's high end freq response- especially in a digital radio. The digital > walkmans that I have had, and I have had most all of them,. cut off at 3K or > so. > The SRF42 was the best ever (for the money) walkman available. > I have a couple of 42's that have been used for parts, so IF I can fix it > with out wrecking another one, the cost would be inexpensive- 20 to 30 > bucks. Actually, I only have one good one left, and I need to keep that one, > but chances are I can fix it. > I do have a WMFGX822 you covet, but for what I paid for it you would not be > interested... > cc From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Oct 19 07:43:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85534 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 14:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 14:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 14:43:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 14:43:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:43:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NZ Broadcasting Standards Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031019090152.42653.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 330 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.25.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Like this but unfortunately we don't use it > > http://www.dse.co.nz/cgi- bin/dse.storefront/3f92512908b0f2a8273fc0a87f990722/Export/catalogs/D TS0000028 > Why not if it's allowed still ? Do NZ AM stations broadcast in 'wideband' quality ? From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Oct 19 07:49:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38326 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 14:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 14:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 14:49:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 14:49:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:49:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: my srf-42... :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2027 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 220.240.128.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Babelfish translation for English speakers: ADVERTISEMENT Hello each one. I have the certain news sad to=20 disclose - my SRF-42 is ill: (It began when I accidentally broke the=20 knob that warmed up dull whereas it tried to temper extreme the=20 inferior end of the bandage. It could obtain behind ignited it, but=20 following era way extinguished, for example 540KHz indicated around=20 760KHz. Consiguio' a little easier so that it explodes dull, until it=20 could immovable consonancia but he would not follow more. Today just,=20 although, I found that it could not temper it more, and the piece=20 that binds the knob that warms up to the condenser was outside place.=20 So... I took it separate which it went by some instructions that I=20 have of a manual of repairs printed, and tried to align it. In the=20 half time, I put the batteries behind inside and I turned them=20 finding the switch and moving it of a pull with a screwdriver. In the=20 half time it had somehow moved the selector of the bandage to FM. I=20 heard something but it was not absolutely what I wished to hear and=20 after moving around a small piece I made that est was FM not. I=20 changed amplit=FAd modulated... that correct one. Nothing. Any person=20 knows to repair a knob that distemper of SRF-42's? Or I must watch=20 that it obtains to another one? (3ro would be my until now) or=20 somebody could recommend another portable radio of AMS in the same=20 price that the SRF-42 sold new, and same espec. of the quality (width=20 of band, sensitivity, selectivity, audio etc)?=20 ----------- :) I actually have a faulty SRF-42 as well but the audio is fine..=20 well that is if you like wideband MONO!!! For some reason the=20 decoder chip no longer pops into stereo which is strange considering=20 this is a forced stereo radio!! My guess is the decoder chip has=20 died. Chris, I would be happy to send it to you in case you could resurrect=20 the stereo capability.. otherwise it makes a fine wideband mono radio=20 which I use daily, just wish I could fix the stereo! Cheers, Matt From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 09:47:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80740 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 16:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 16:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 16:47:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 16:47:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:47:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: my srf-42... :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2423 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key That's a pretty poor translation for the fish... but I don't blame it, considering I used it to translate from english to spanish in the first place... too bad I don't have a copy of the original english version easy to find somewhere.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bofh2k2000" wrote: > Babelfish translation for English speakers: >=20 > ADVERTISEMENT Hello each one. I have the certain news sad to=20 > disclose - my SRF-42 is ill: (It began when I accidentally broke the=20 > knob that warmed up dull whereas it tried to temper extreme the=20 > inferior end of the bandage. It could obtain behind ignited it, but=20 > following era way extinguished, for example 540KHz indicated around=20 > 760KHz. Consiguio' a little easier so that it explodes dull, until it=20 > could immovable consonancia but he would not follow more. Today just,=20 > although, I found that it could not temper it more, and the piece=20 > that binds the knob that warms up to the condenser was outside place.=20 > So... I took it separate which it went by some instructions that I=20 > have of a manual of repairs printed, and tried to align it. In the=20 > half time, I put the batteries behind inside and I turned them=20 > finding the switch and moving it of a pull with a screwdriver. In the=20 > half time it had somehow moved the selector of the bandage to FM. I=20 > heard something but it was not absolutely what I wished to hear and=20 > after moving around a small piece I made that est was FM not. I=20 > changed amplit=FAd modulated... that correct one. Nothing. Any person=20 > knows to repair a knob that distemper of SRF-42's? Or I must watch=20 > that it obtains to another one? (3ro would be my until now) or=20 > somebody could recommend another portable radio of AMS in the same=20 > price that the SRF-42 sold new, and same espec. of the quality (width=20 > of band, sensitivity, selectivity, audio etc)?=20 >=20 > ----------- >=20 > :) I actually have a faulty SRF-42 as well but the audio is fine..=20 > well that is if you like wideband MONO!!! For some reason the=20 > decoder chip no longer pops into stereo which is strange considering=20 > this is a forced stereo radio!! My guess is the decoder chip has=20 > died. >=20 > Chris, I would be happy to send it to you in case you could resurrect=20 > the stereo capability.. otherwise it makes a fine wideband mono radio=20 > which I use daily, just wish I could fix the stereo! >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Matt From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 10:42:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10912 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 17:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 17:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60103.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 17:42:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20031019174213.43141.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.213.26.22] by web60103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:42:13 PDT Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LennoxxSound CT-769 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW This is a rather large dual deck cassette AM-FM boombox with 6 D cells for power. AM is not spectacularly wide, but decent. UNfortunately it's currently discontinued. I had to rescue the last one from Fred's in Dawsonville, GA the last time I visited. No one locally had one. I wonder if it's a good AMS conversion candidate? Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From stodd@vippn.com Sun Oct 19 11:14:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28718 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 18:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 18:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 18:14:10 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c3966d$75f380c0$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} a few that should be stereo but aren't... Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:18:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've only got dial-up, and loading files takes forever unless it's fairly small, so I don't usually even try to download much of anything. I trusted the descriptions you provided. As for the station that should have a better signal, perhaps you should call them and report the problem. Could be a deteriorated ground system. There are a few other possibilities, but they tend to be rare occurrences. They might be thankful to know some work needs to be done. If nobody says anything, they may not know there's a problem. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" To: Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} a few that should be stereo but aren't... > Did you by any chance listen to the mp3 clips and find out > specifically what format they are? ;) btw, their groundwave service > is very inefficient considering that I'm only 12-14 miles away and am From jbyrns@rcn.com Sun Oct 19 12:15:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59940 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 19:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 19:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 19:15:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 19:15:38 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34175 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 14:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 14:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 14:23:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.250] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 14:23:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:23:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: best time of day to DX asia from western USA? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1126 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.249 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 19 Oct 2003 19:15:37 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > The stock SAT has no ability to directly connect to antenna > terminals, whereas the Terk does, but both operate the same way. The > Terk is less-bulky, and it's cheaper. Both perform about the same, a > roughly 35dB gain. Actually the stock "SAT" does have the capability to connect to the antenna terminals of a radio, I have one that can do that. The first "SAT" that I ever saw was of this type, a lady at work used it to receive one of the local 50 kW class 1A stations, about 4 miles distant, inside a steel building. The "SAT"s sold in the common catalogs don't have the external connection, which I believe is actually intended to connect to a long wire antenna, and inductively couple it to a set without an external antenna connection. I talked with the factory many years ago and got the details of the internal construction of the circuitry connected to the jack. The bottom line is there are two "SAT" models, one with the external connection, and one with, so it is just a matter of buying the right one. John From stodd@vippn.com Sun Oct 19 12:20:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50189 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 19:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 19:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 19:20:58 -0000 Message-ID: <004e01c39676$d6259380$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <20031019174213.43141.qmail@web60103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} LennoxxSound CT-769 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:26:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've got an idea to try- tune the radio under test to a moderate to strong station on the low end of the dial, and use another radio to listen to the local oscillator signal. Use a signal generator to create an audible beat note in the monitoring receiver. If the note doesn't change with the test radio turned up fairly loud, it should be stable enough to add AMS. Make sure the sig gen is warmed up and stable. I've never tried this proceedure, but it should work in theory. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > I wonder if it's a > good AMS conversion candidate? From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 12:46:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37826 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 19:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 19:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 19:46:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20031019194609.10761.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:46:09 PDT Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NZ Broadcasting Standards To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use my GE SR3 in wideband mode it makes the audio sound a bit better but no theres no "AM Stereo" in NZ including in a coupl of cities the excellent classic rock station "Hauraki" is broadcasting on 1017 in Christchurch and 1125 in Dunedin but on my AMS capable radios -no am stereo or separation but a couple of our national programme stations light up my TM152 light and has a "funny sound as well" no separation of stereo and sounds like it on the Pioneer TX560A and SRF A300. Michael Dave wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Like this but unfortunately we don't use it > > http://www.dse.co.nz/cgi- bin/dse.storefront/3f92512908b0f2a8273fc0a87f990722/Export/catalogs/D TS0000028 > Why not if it's allowed still ? Do NZ AM stations broadcast in 'wideband' quality ? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 13:34:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50752 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 20:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 20:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41014.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.13) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 20:34:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20031019203415.44442.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.230.138.240] by web41014.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:34:15 PDT Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KB Stereo & PEP mono. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005d01c395ce$3d5b48a0$827dfea9@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio There was an I.C. just hanging around. I'll try to find a schematic online. Thanks, Jay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Oct 19 15:09:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99342 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2003 22:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2003 22:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2003 22:09:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2003 22:09:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:09:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SRF-AX15 Airchecks are in - and more! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1050 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 220.240.128.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day, Well I have the airchecks from the SRF-AX15 and a nice little A-B of it vs the ST-JX220A on the same song - thought I'd record the same song on them both at the same time and edit them together. Sort of happened by accident as I forgot I had the mono button pressed in on the ST-JX220A!. So here are all three versions: Crush: SRF-AX15 vs ST-JX220A (changeover halfway) ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/c-ax15-220a.mp3 Crush: SRF-AX15 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/c-ax15.mp3 Crush: ST-JX220A Wideband Mono-Stereo (changever halfway) ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/c-220a-m-st.mp3 House of Fun: ST-JX220A Wideband Stereo (why not?!) ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/h-o-f-220a.mp3 This proves that although the SRF-AX15 isn't bad for the price, the ST-JX220A has to be almost the best AM Stereo tuner made! I haven't touched the EQ on any of these, so obviously the ST-JX220A may sound a little bright so some people, I'm quite used to it now however! Enjoy! Matt =) From bratina501@msn.com Sun Oct 19 17:18:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47426 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 00:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 00:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 00:18:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 00:18:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:18:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: KGHO 920 in mono Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 One of my local AM stereo stations KGHO 920 is not in stereo right now they might be having problems with their exciter. From jimsmith@vfr.net Sun Oct 19 17:24:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11969 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 00:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 00:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 00:24:23 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-38-226.rev.o1.com [66.81.38.226]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9K0OKH44046; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:24:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c396a0$4f471c60$e2265142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: Kfrc am 610 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:22:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi I say any one of ear shot of KFRC am 610 please write to them and say you want to hear your station back in C-QUAM agan!!!!! Write them at KFRC RADIO 500 Washington St 2nd floor San Fransico Ca 94111. Or call live 1-888-456 -5372 (KFRC) Thanks Jim S From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 17:45:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48725 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 00:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 00:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 00:45:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 00:45:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:45:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF-AX15 Airchecks are in - and more! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1493 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I haven't touched the EQ on any of these, so obviously the > ST-JX220A may sound a little bright so some people, I'm quite used > to it now however! Sony made some beautiful AM Stereo tuners in the '80s, but unfortunately they did not include any sort of treble de-emphasis, causing an excessively bright sound in wideband mode, unless you use your tone control or graphic equalizer to reduce the treble response to a more natural-sounding level. The home tuner models, though, at least included a carrier whistle filter, which switches between 9 or 10 kHz depending on what channel spacing you have selected -- a feature that all wideband AM tuners should include. On the other hand, a specrum analysis shows your SRF-AX15 Walkman to have a frequency response that is pretty much flat up to 7 kHz, with a gradual drop-off up to 12 kHz. I, for one, actually prefer this more mellow type of sound, and the greater selectivity surely aids in receiving stations on adjacent channels. BTW, like other wideband AM Stereo staitons in Australia and Japan, 4TAB appears to be using an Optimod 9100 audio processor, set to its default audio bandwidth of 12 kHz. The Australian broadcasting regulations call for a 9 kHz cut-off filter to be used (basically the NRSC specs scaled down by 9/10ths), but none of the filters available for the Optimod (4.5, 5, 5.5, 6, 9.5, or 12 kHz) meet this spec exactly, so I guess stations like 4TAB just use the default 12 kHz audio bandwidth. From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Oct 19 18:19:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22228 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 01:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 01:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 01:19:33 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1da.12c9af40 (2168) for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1da.12c9af40.2cc49217@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:19:19 EDT Subject: Aiwa walkman on eBay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 921 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welp, I won the Aiwa Recording Walkman on eBay.....Model number is HS-JX828... Chris (or anyone else on this list), do you know what kind of AMS decoder chip is in this thing? --Tony S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 18:37:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45546 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 01:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 01:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 01:37:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 01:37:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:36:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF-AX15 Airchecks are in - and more! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3484 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I haven't touched the EQ on any of these, so obviously the > > ST-JX220A may sound a little bright so some people, I'm quite used > > to it now however! > > Sony made some beautiful AM Stereo tuners in the '80s, but > unfortunately they did not include any sort of treble de-emphasis, > causing an excessively bright sound in wideband mode, unless you use > your tone control or graphic equalizer to reduce the treble response > to a more natural-sounding level. The home tuner models, though, > at least included a carrier whistle filter, which switches between > 9 or 10 kHz depending on what channel spacing you have selected -- > a feature that all wideband AM tuners should include. > > On the other hand, a specrum analysis shows your SRF-AX15 Walkman to > have a frequency response that is pretty much flat up to 7 kHz, with > a gradual drop-off up to 12 kHz. I, for one, actually prefer this > more mellow type of sound, and the greater selectivity surely aids in > receiving stations on adjacent channels. > > BTW, like other wideband AM Stereo staitons in Australia and Japan, > 4TAB appears to be using an Optimod 9100 audio processor, set to its > default audio bandwidth of 12 kHz. The Australian broadcasting > regulations call for a 9 kHz cut-off filter to be used (basically the > NRSC specs scaled down by 9/10ths), but none of the filters available > for the Optimod (4.5, 5, 5.5, 6, 9.5, or 12 kHz) meet this spec > exactly, so I guess stations like 4TAB just use the default 12 kHz > audio bandwidth. my findings after doing high-pass filters on the mp3s of each tuner: ST-JX220a: highpass at 16KHz - barely detectable highpass at 15KHz - cymbal beat audible highpass at 10KHz - cymbals easily heard, occasional "s"'s and "t"'s, etc somewhat detectable on vocals highpass at 5KHz - cymbals and vocal consonants heard, also some other stuff highpass at 3KHz - some other pitches on instruments coming in highpass at 2KHz - some notes / chords can be determined, lyrics almost unintelligible (sp?) highpass at 1KHz - most notes and chords easily detected, lyrics can be detected highpass at 500Hz - lyrics fairly easily listenable highpass at 200Hz - some of the bass line audible highpass at 40Hz (lowest my software will go) - almost no audible difference vs. without the highpass (so that's why - there are no frequencies below 40 Hz (determined by using a lowpass filter on 40 hz without the highpass) SRF-AX15: highpass at 200Hz - loses some of the deeper bass highpass at 500Hz - lyrics still intelligible highpass at 1KHz - lyrics starting to disappear (but many can still be caught), but still much of the instrumental pitches still recognizable highpass at 2KHz - some instrumental harmonics there, but getting to be mostly cymbals (some lyrics (or the fact that someone is singing) can still be heard) highpass at 3KHz - mostly cymbals, but some instruments, and vocal consonants included highpass at 4KHz - mostly the high-pitched instruments (cymbals) highpass at 5KHz - high pitched stuff (starting to get quieter) highpass at 6KHz - highpass at 7KHz - highpass at 8KHz - high pitched stuff (cymbal style) still audible highpass at 10KHz - cymbals still there highpass at 11KHz - cymbals fading but still audible highpass at 12KHz - barely detectable highpass at 13KHz - can still hear something occasionally highpass at 14KHz - pretty much gone From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 18:43:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82778 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 01:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 01:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.34) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 01:43:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20031020014320.67486.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:43:20 PDT Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-AX15 Airchecks are in - and more! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After listening to Matthew's Mp3 samples the "220A" sounds better than the AX15 to me anyway . Michael Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Oct 19 20:03:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13873 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 03:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 03:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao06.cox.net) (68.6.19.125) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 03:03:20 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031020030316.HJPL8365.fed1mtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:03:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:03:25 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} bageing kfrc Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00bc01c394f1$5056c980$827dfea9@home1> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd like KFRC to remember it IS an AM station as well as FM. They only=20 give the AM frequency once an hour. In my mind it will ALWAYS be 610 - KFRC On Friday, October 17, 2003, at 01:57 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > Welcome aboard, Jim!=A0 Happy to have another person join us.=A0 Just one= =20 > small > request- please use your spell-checker on your posts.=A0 It's almost=20 > painful > to try to read them. > > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JimSmith" > > > Hi Ian=A0 D.=A0=A0 I have been bageing KFRC am to go back to ams for=20 > about=A0 2 > > years now=A0 .=A0=A0 So if there=A0 is any buddy els reading this in NO= R CAL=20 > in > ear > > shot=A0 please send KFRC a Letter.=A0 I can't whate to see what my loca= l > station > > sese when i bring back that exciter to them fully working. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 21:41:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16870 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 04:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 04:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.34) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 04:41:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20031020044152.99074.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:41:52 PDT Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} bageing kfrc To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it mandatory the stations in the states give their call signs ie KDIS or is it Radio Disney LA or do they just say "Hot FM" etc? Michael Richard Wagoner wrote: I'd like KFRC to remember it IS an AM station as well as FM. They only give the AM frequency once an hour. In my mind it will ALWAYS be 610 - KFRC --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Oct 19 21:48:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88807 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 04:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 04:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.31) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 04:48:30 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (ellen.skyweb.net [66.6.132.219]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9K4okQN041169 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:50:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3F936688.AFC9550C@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:37:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} bageing kfrc References: <20031020044152.99074.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 As Per the FCC Rules they must Give their calls followed by City of license at the top of Every hour example would be. 1590 WERA Plainfield,NJ Neal Michael and Ross wrote: > Is it mandatory the stations in the states give their call signs ie KDIS or is it Radio Disney LA or do they just say "Hot FM" etc? > Michael > > Richard Wagoner wrote: > I'd like KFRC to remember it IS an AM station as well as FM. They only > give the AM frequency once an hour. > > In my mind it will ALWAYS be 610 - KFRC > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 21:53:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34024 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 04:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 04:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 04:53:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20031020045335.52155.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:53:35 PDT Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} bageing kfrc To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3F936688.AFC9550C@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Neal Here in NZ they don't have to even officially have a call sign these days They just have stupid names like "New Zealands Rhema or Radio Pacific" and is nationwide both AM and FM on dozen or more frequencies. Michael Neal Newman wrote: As Per the FCC Rules they must Give their calls followed by City of license at the top of Every hour example would be. 1590 WERA Plainfield,NJ Neal Michael and Ross wrote: > Is it mandatory the stations in the states give their call signs ie KDIS or is it Radio Disney LA or do they just say "Hot FM" etc? > Michael > > Richard Wagoner wrote: > I'd like KFRC to remember it IS an AM station as well as FM. They only > give the AM frequency once an hour. > > In my mind it will ALWAYS be 610 - KFRC > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 22:41:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86583 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 05:41:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 05:41:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 05:41:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 05:41:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:41:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: bageing kfrc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031020044152.99074.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 664 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key they do ID them... "AM 1110, KDIS, Pasadena, Los Angeles." --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Is it mandatory the stations in the states give their call signs ie KDIS or is it Radio Disney LA or do they just say "Hot FM" etc? > Michael > > Richard Wagoner wrote: > I'd like KFRC to remember it IS an AM station as well as FM. They only > give the AM frequency once an hour. > > In my mind it will ALWAYS be 610 - KFRC > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 00:25:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78093 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 07:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 07:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 07:25:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 07:25:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:25:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} bageing kfrc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 297 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > I'd like KFRC to remember it IS an AM station as well as FM. They only > give the AM frequency once an hour. > > In my mind it will ALWAYS be 610 - KFRC http://www.drdonrose.com/ 'Nuff said. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 00:29:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96029 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 07:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 07:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 07:29:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 07:29:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:29:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} bageing kfrc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031020044152.99074.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 582 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Is it mandatory the stations in the states give their call signs ie KDIS or is it Radio Disney LA or do they just say "Hot FM" etc? Yes, it is mandatory, that a "legal ID" must be made at least once an hour, usually the top of the hour. A "legal ID" is the call letters (stations are licensed by call letters, rather than station names in North America, some Central/South American countries, Japan and the Philipines, as well as at least Australia) and the city of license. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 00:31:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98296 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 07:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 07:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 07:31:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 07:31:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:31:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} bageing kfrc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031020045335.52155.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 357 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Thanks Neal Here in NZ they don't have to even officially have a call sign these days They just have stupid names like "New Zealands Rhema or Radio Pacific" and is nationwide both AM and FM on dozen or more frequencies. This is true in most countries. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Oct 20 00:35:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17549 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 07:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 07:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 07:35:07 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.131.218]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 03:37:17 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01c396dc$83b737a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <1da.12c9af40.2cc49217@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aiwa walkman on eBay Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 03:33:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Yup- It is a TA8124- Aiwa's favorite IC for am stereo cc ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: {AMSF} Aiwa walkman on eBay > Welp, I won the Aiwa Recording Walkman on eBay.....Model number is HS-JX828... > > Chris (or anyone else on this list), do you know what kind of AMS decoder > chip is in this thing? > > --Tony S. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 01:30:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59613 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 08:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 08:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 08:30:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 08:30:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:30:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: daytime AM stations received using only portable with built-in antenna? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 11587 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Ok... let's find out what stations you receive on your portable radios (preferably walkmen, etc.) using only the built-in antenna during the daytime... here's mine....=20 http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/panasonic-rqsw20-tuned1450.jpg (and, thanks from the guy who wrote http://www.mindspring.com/~loop_antenna/amloop4.htm for letting me "borrow" this from his site... I like it for describing signal quality on weaker stations... although I'll only use it on a few - something like "WS#" 0 No signal 1 Carrier only - generated a 10 kHz tone with an adjacent station 2 Slight signal =96 audio modulation can be heard, but no intelligible words can be made out 3 Unlistenable - intelligible audio can be heard, but there is so much static and interference that prolonged listening would produce ear fatigue 4 Listenable =96 the audio is sufficiently good to be listened to without ear fatigue 5 Good Signal =96 audio is almost clear, but contains artifacts of 10 kHz tones from adjacent stations, bleed over from modulation on nearby stations, slight residual static 6 Clear =96 no audible interference ) 540 =3D XESURF Tijuana (nostalgia "K-Surf 1260 & 540") - fairly clear signal, semi-local. adjacent-channel splatter easily audible (but not lighting tuning indicator) +/- 10KHz, barely detectable +/- 20KHz 570 =3D KLAC Los Angeles (nostalgia "Fabulous 570") - somewhat weak but still easily listenable. not lighting tuning indicator, also no adjacent channel splatter from this station. 590 =3D ? (possibly KRLH San Bernardino detectable, but mainly just barely a carrier, probably WS1 or WS2) 600 =3D KOGO San Diego (News 5a-9p, Talk "Newsradio 600 KOGO") - local strong signal, almost no trace of background noise. adjacent channel splatter strong at 10KHz and lighting tuning indicator, weak but still can hear station audio at 20KHz, and on 630 is barely detectable.=20 (note - adjacent channel splatter usually slightly worse when tuning above than below) 640 =3D KFI Los Angeles (Talk, "KFI AM 640 More Stimulating Talk Radio") - decent signal, probably WS5 or WS4 (moderate signal with some background hiss but still easily lighting tuning indicator brightly), adjacent channel splatter somewhat listenable at 10KHz 670 =3D KIRN Simi Valley (Asian or Middle Eastern - I'm not familiar with some of those languages, or haven't listened to the station long enough to be able to tell.) - very weak, but audible signal, probably would be a WS3 690 =3D XETRA Rosarito (Sports, "X-Tra Sports 690 and 1150") - strong signal comparable to 600 KOGO (maybe a little stronger) 710 =3D KSPN Los Angeles (Sports, "ESPN Radio 710") - weak, but listenable, probably WS3 or WS4. must point radio approx west/northwest to receive (and at the same time null 690) 730 =3D XEEBC Ensenada - fringe signal, mainly carrier but can occasionally detect audio if pointing radio approx southwest so that 740 KBRT is nulled) 740 =3D KBRT Avalon (Religious) - decent signal comparable to KFI 640 760 =3D KFMB San Diego (Talk, "Talk Radio 760 KFMB") - local station, clear signal, comparable to KOGO and X-Tra. (at night, increases power from 5kW to 50kW and goes directional, so adjacent-channel splatter lighting tuning indicator extends to 20KHz instead of 10KHz, but other stations on 790, 800, etc. prevent hearing KFMB there, but it can often be heard on 730 (and sometimes 740) during a KCBS 740 fadeout.) 790 =3D KABC Los Angeles (Talk) - weak, but listenable, must point approx west to west/northwest to minimize splatter from 800, probably WS3 or maybe WS4. AM STEREO 800 =3D XEMMM Tijuana (Sports, "ESPN Radio 800") - fairly clear.=20 moderate splatter at 10KHz, very weak at 820AM. (at night, XEROK from Ciudad Juarez is audible at almost comparable signal strength (but usually weaker) by nulling XEMMM) 820 =3D XEMVS Mexicali - fringe signal, probably WS2, occasionally if listening with patience approaches WS3 830 =3D KPLS Orange - fair signal but not quite lighting tuning indicator, probably between KABC 790 and KFI 640 for strength) 860 =3D XEMO Tijuana (Spanish Music "La Poderosa") - good signal, comparable to 800 but maybe a bit stronger (still not quite lighting tuning indicator on adjacent channel) 870 =3D KRLA Glendale (Talk) - very weak signal, only audible if pointing west/northwest to null 860, probably WS2 or WS3 910 =3D KECR El Cajon (Religious - Family Radio) - fairly strong signal, comparable to 600. 930 =3D KHJ Los Angeles (Spanish "La Ranchera") - very weak but audible, can sometimes hear 910 in the background if KECR isn't nulled properly, probably WS2 or WS3 950 =3D XEKAM Rosarito (Spanish) - fair signal, comparable to 640 KFI 970 =3D KNWZ Coachella (Talk) - fringe signal, but audible, probably WS3. (I sometimes listen to Clark Howard early afternoons on this station) 980 =3D KFWB Los Angeles (News) - same strength as 970. I occasionally listened to Dodgers games on this station during the day, otherwise I used 1560 KNZR from Bakersfield or switched back and forth between the two) 990 =3D 2 stations, one from mexicali, the other KTMS from Santa Barbara, CA. mex slightly winning the battle for signal strength, but both probably at a WS1 or maybe if lucky a WS2 1000 =3D KCEO Vista (Talk day, Nostalgia night "The Station of the Stars") - fair signal daytime (just strong enough to light tuning indicator (moderate background hiss), barely detectable at 10KHz, fades some at night and mixes with KOMO Seattle) 1020 =3D KTNQ Los Angeles (Spanish) - fringe signal, probably WS1 (must null 1040 to even detect carrier) 1040 =3D KURS San Diego (Spanish) - gets out pretty good for only 370 watts daytime, 63 watts nighttime, non-directional, and diplexing off the same tower with KSON 1240 which runs 1kW day & night... btw this tower is right in the middle of a parking lot near the I-5 and State Route 15 (this is the part of I-15 below I-8) interchange. (NOTE:=20 This station has recently been heard to say on air: "La Super Ka.=20 Diez Cuarenta, A EME Estereo." but I can't hear any separation there on my SRF-42 (note, though - I'm using Panasonic RQ-SW20 pictured in link above for this AM daytime dial sweep)) 1050 =3D XED Mexicali - very weak, but audible, must null 1040 to hear it (point somewhat southeast or so), probably WS2 1070 =3D KNX Los Angeles (News, "KNX 1070 Newsradio") - fair signal comparable to 640 KFI, all-news format with old-time radio 9p-10p and repeated 2a-3a next morning). AM STEREO 1090 =3D XEPRS Rosarito (Sports, "Mighty 1090 Express Sports Talk for San Diego" (or Mighty 1090 for short) - although it's 50kW and closer to me, because of the directional antenna it's only about as strong as 1070. 1110 =3D KDIS Los Angeles (Radio Disney) - extremely weak, WS1 or WS2 thanks to a very strong 1130) 1130 =3D KSDO San Diego (Spanish Religious "Radio Nueva Vida") - quite strong, easily splattering at 10KHz and still nothing to be sneezed at (and almost lighting the tuning indicator) at 20KHz, rendering KDIS 1110 almost unlistenable, and with the help of KCBQ 1170, blocking out any possible trace of 1150 KXTA Los Angeles) 1170 =3D KCBQ San Diego (Talk) - nearly as strong as 1130 (but considerably weaker than it used to be a while back when they were operating 50kW days (1.5kW nights) from a 6-tower site in Santee (had to vacate it cause the area was re-zoned or something). They are now sharing antenna space with KPOP 1360 (but apparently not the tower - I hear they have an antenna rigged from a guy wire or something like that and they're running 5kW day and 375w nights non-directional). they're looking for another transmitter site) When KCBQ used to have 50kW days, they splattered over several channels, having a different kind of distortion sound at +/- 10KHz (ever tried using a Select-A-Tenna to tune in a strong local station, then tuned 1 step off, or tuned to a station when you were near their transmitter and tuned 10KHz off? it's probably something like that. I have an audio clip of it somewhere but no link here.), and still lighting the tuning indicator at 1200. On 1210, KPRZ was strong enough to come out on top with nearly no trace of KCBQ audible. At 1220, KPRZ and KCBQ mixed at approximately equal strength but not lighting tuning indicator. KCBQ still audible at 1230 when nulling 1240. comes back (but barely) on 1250 and 1260. (note: this "excessive splatter" description is of when they were running 50kW) 1190 =3D KXMX Anaheim - now audible thanks to KCBQ transmitting from west of me instead of north of me, but still pretty much only a WS1 signal. 1210 =3D KPRZ San Marcos (Religious/Talk) - fairly decent signal, comparable to 800 or 860 for signal strength) 1240 =3D KSON San Diego (Asian) - decent signal, strong enough at night to be on top of other stations but I'm near the edge of their nighttime service area) 1250 =3D KEYT Santa Barbara (News) - weak at probably a WS2 or WS3, but now somewhat listenable thanks to the lack of splatter from 1170 KCBQ on here) 1270 =3D XEAZ Tijuana (Spanish) - fairly strong signal, moderate adjacent-channel splatter at 10KHz, barely detectable at 20KHz 1280 =3D KFRN Long Beach (same format as 910) - weak, but listenable if pointing west/northwest to null 1270). (note: I've seen an am-stereo site somewhere that said this was stereo, but last time I was in the Los Angeles area (within the last few months I think) and listened to it on my SRF-42 (which is now in need of repair to the tuning knob like I said in another post), I couldn't hear any separation.) 1290 =3D KZBN(?) Santa Barbara (Nostalgia) - pretty much carrier only, WS1. 1310 =3D XEC Tijuana (Spanish) - moderate signal between 1270 and 1070 approx. 1320 =3D KKSM Oceanside (Rock "Comet 1320") - fringe signal audible if pointing northwest to null XEC, but still probably only a WS1 or WS2 1330 =3D KWKW Los Angeles - fringe mainly a WS1 (or could be a WS0 - maybe I shouldn't be listing this one - it's almost right on the border between detectable and not detectable) 1340 =3D K??? Santa Barbara - barely audible when nulling 1360 (pointing north/northwest or so), but only slighly stronger than 1330 1360 =3D KPOP San Diego (Nostalgia) - fairly strong signal, comparable to KCBQ's 5kW signal sharing their transmitter site) 1390 =3D XEKT Tecate (Spanish "La Super Estacion" (but only runs 5kW)) - moderate signal comparable to 1000 or 1070 (approx), slight splatter onto 1400 (1360 erases it on 1380) 1420 =3D XEXX Tijuana (Spanish) - fair signal slightly stronger than 1390) 1450 =3D KFSD Escondido (Classical Music) - weak but listenable daytime signal, disappears into the graveyard at night. WS3 or WS4 (daytime) 1470 =3D XERCN Tijuana (Spanish "Radio Unica") - nearly clear signal.=20 fairly strong splatter almost lighting tuning indicator at 10KHz, somewhat weak but still listenable at 20KHz 1520 =3D KVTA Port Hueneme (Talk) - barely detectable, probably WS1 or so. 1550 =3D XEBG Tijuana (Spanish) - moderate signal, just lighting tuning indicator, probably similar signal strength to 1000 KCEO daytime 1600 =3D XEKTT Tecate (Spanish) - very weak signal, probably a WS2 or so. 1630 =3D XEUT Tijuana (Spanish Variety / Jazz / Classical "Radio Universidad") 1650 =3D KFOX Torrance (Asian) - barely detectable carrier some times, inaudible at others) 1670 =3D KHPY Moreno Valley (Spanish) - comparable to 1650, but possibly at a slight advantage due to directional antenna) so... that's pretty much my mid-day AM dial sweep using my decent-quality digitally-tuned non-am-stereo portable, with only the built-in antenna. What's yours like?? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 01:36:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86699 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 08:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 08:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 08:36:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.249] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 08:36:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:36:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} bageing kfrc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1426 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross > wrote: > > Thanks Neal Here in NZ they don't have to even officially have a > call sign these days They just have stupid names like "New Zealands > Rhema or Radio Pacific" and is nationwide both AM and FM on dozen or > more frequencies. > > This is true in most countries. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ speaking of which... Family Radio Network usually sends the same audio to multiple stations all over the country. They'll identify the network at the top of the hour, then (I could tell this by listening to their main audio feed online) they'll allow local stations to identify themselves.) Something along the lines of: "Around the dial, around the clock, and around the world, this is the ministry of Family Radio." then, on network feed, 10-12 seconds of silence, while local stations are either "Presenting the Gospel of Jesus Christ, this is KECR El Cajon." (when they used to be on 93.3 FM several years ago, it was often "KECR, KECR FM, El Cajon". still doesn't identify frequency much except occasionally during local traffic reports given occasionally in the morning and afternoon. The other one audible in my area (but quite weak) goes something like "Broadcasting the Good News of Jesus Christ, this is Twelve Eighty AM, K-F-R-N. Long Beach, Los Angeles." From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 01:59:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31033 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 08:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 08:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 08:59:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 08:59:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:59:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: daytime AM stations received using only portable with built-in antenna? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 791 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > Ok... let's find out what stations you receive on your portable radios > (preferably walkmen, etc.) using only the built-in antenna during the > daytime... > > here's mine.... > http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/panasonic-rqsw20-tuned1450.jpg > btw, here's audio of a bandscan I did out in my back yard using that same radio (and without the help of any grounded chain-link fences, although I did do some of that on a different audio clip)... ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/Panasonic_RQSW20_am-bandscan_midday.mp3 > > so... that's pretty much my mid-day AM dial sweep using my > decent-quality digitally-tuned non-am-stereo portable, with only the > built-in antenna. What's yours like?? From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 02:13:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22462 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 09:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 09:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 09:13:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20031020091310.42016.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:13:10 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT daytime AM stations received using only portable with built-in antenna? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mine on a walkman 531 PI Pacific Island music Local day&night 540 Splatter from 531 get Rhema New Plymouth mixed with Rhema Tauranga 567 Wellington 60kw Just audible as noise on walkman 576 Hamilton Southern Star easy Religious music Quite reasonable audio with some hiss(60 miles away) 603 Maori (local) 702 Local Radio Pacific Talk Auckland 756 1YA Local National radio 792 Hamilton radio Sport- Easy daytime signal with some hiss 819 1YZ National Radio Tauranga Just audible 837 1YX National Radio Whangarei Just Audible 855 Radio Rhema Hamilton Fairly strong signal with hiss 882 Southern Star Auckland V Strong local signal-splatters a bit even to 909 936 Just in the process of flipping its format to Chinese from 70s and 80's last week Just a very good carrier 4 out of 5 strength 990 Local Radio Manderin splatter 1008 which is 1ZD Newstalk ZB Tauranga just audible 1026 Newstalk ZB (1ZN) Whangarei Just audible 1053 Newstalk ZB 2ZP New Plymouth signal about 2/5 1080 Newstalk ZB Auckland (1ZB) LOCAL 10KW 1143 1YW Hamilton National Radio Strong signal with some background noise 1179 Ruia Mai(Local Maori Station) 1206 Community Radio Hamilton(This is quite a bit weaker than other Hamilton Stations and just audible) 1251 Radio Rhema Auckland local 5kw) 1296 1ZH Newstalk ZB Hamilton (good daytime with hiss and static) 1332 (Radio Sport) of interest this used to be a music station in the 80's in AM Stereo!-Local 1386 radio Tarana Local with Indian Programming 1476 Local feed of BBC World service 1530 2YP National Radio New Plymouth Weak signal 1593 Radio Samoa Local 2kw signal. This is general on a walkman in the daytime. Michael pianoplayer88key wrote: Ok... let's find out what stations you receive on your portable radios (preferably walkmen, etc.) using only the built-in antenna during the daytime... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Oct 20 05:49:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38020 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 12:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 12:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 12:49:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 12:49:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:49:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: ST-JX220A Airchecks - Part 2 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 885 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 220.240.128.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Here's some more fabulous Aussie AM Stereo! ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/1-lighthouse-jx220a.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/2-intuition-jx220a.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/3-shaggy-jx220a.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/4-tatu-jx220a.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/5-mentals-jx220a.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/6-chemistry-jx220a.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/7-neworleans-jx220a.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/8-abba-jx220a.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/9-nightmoves-jx220a.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/10-signoff-jx220a.mp3 If some of the links wrap - don't panic - connect directly to: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/pacific/ and grab them from there. Cheers, Matt From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Oct 20 05:51:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46590 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 12:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 12:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 12:51:57 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-50-192.rev.o1.com [66.81.50.192]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9KCpst60416; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:51:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c39708$be554e20$c0325142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: kfrc am 610 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:50:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi Like Amy M. said "nuff said" now call them write them saying what you want to hear like c-quam. Thay perobley through my letters in the damed trash now. I hope thay won't go ICRAP. Thanks Jim S. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 07:38:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29652 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 14:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 14:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 14:38:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 14:38:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:38:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: bageing kfrc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 515 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > They'll identify the network at the top of the hour, then (I could > tell this by listening to their main audio feed online) they'll > allow local stations to identify themselves.) That goes back to the early days of network programming. Nowadays it's all automated, but with some sports broadcasts that are aired on a regional group of stations, they still do it manually, with the phrase "We now pause 10 seconds for station identification" telling the local board-op to wake up and play the station ID. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 08:26:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35344 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 15:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 15:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 15:25:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 15:25:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:25:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KFRC am 610 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c39708$be554e20$c0325142@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tom" X-Originating-IP: 64.1.107.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 In 1983, they were on the Kahn system. I even won the Sony SRF A-100 from them... the morons. The only station around here that has music in stereo anymore is KABL 960. They sound good but the music is about 30 years before my time... Tom From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 10:20:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86632 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 17:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 17:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60110.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.118.89) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 17:20:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20031020172022.65220.qmail@web60110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.112.193.73] by web60110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:20:22 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} bageing kfrc To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031020044152.99074.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Michael and Ross wrote: > Is it mandatory the stations in the states give > their call signs ie KDIS or is it Radio Disney LA or > do they just say "Hot FM" etc? > Michael A legal ID is assigned call signs followed by city of license Legal : KFI Los Angeles Powell ===== powell@conterra.com http://www.qsl.net/w4opw __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 10:57:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28501 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 17:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 17:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 17:57:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 17:57:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:57:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KFRC am 610 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1028 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" wrote: > In 1983, they were on the Kahn system. I even won the Sony SRF A- 100 > from them... the morons. The only station around here that has music > in stereo anymore is KABL 960. They sound good but the music is > about 30 years before my time... I don't think KFRC was anything other than Kahn, up until the 1993 C- QUAM standard ruling, then just shut off stereo completely from then. Dr. Don Rose left KFRC a year or two after the switch from top-40 to "Magic 61" (much like KABL today) back in 1986. (There is an AMS recording on one of the sites, here.) Today it's oldies, but still no stereo. I like oldies, and I do wish KFRC went back to stereo, but as with most stations and stereo these days, I'm not holding my breath. As much as I would like it, I don't think it'll ever happen. Heck, I would like to see KFI go back to pop music with full 50kW AM stereo, but again, I doubt that will happen. :( *sad mousie* Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 10:59:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31577 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 17:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 17:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 17:59:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 17:59:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:59:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: bageing kfrc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1165 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > They'll identify the network at the top of the hour, then (I could > > tell this by listening to their main audio feed online) they'll > > allow local stations to identify themselves.) > > That goes back to the early days of network programming. Nowadays > it's all automated, but with some sports broadcasts that are aired on > a regional group of stations, they still do it manually, with the > phrase "We now pause 10 seconds for station identification" telling > the local board-op to wake up and play the station ID. Yea, they usually do. I often listen to baseball games on ESPN Radio 800. "We now pause 10 seconds for station identification...." then... either... 10 seconds of silence or... a few seconds of silence, then "equis e ese pe ene, ochocientos a eme, tijuana, baja california, mexico. ESPN. Radio 800." with the last few seconds mixing with the network feed. One time during either an ALCS or NLCS game (I forget which) the local station ID started pretty much immediately, but the play-by-play announcers came back on the air a couple seconds too soon. From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 11:06:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23836 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 18:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 18:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 18:06:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 18:06:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:06:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KFRC am 610 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 370 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: =snip= > Dr. Don Rose left KFRC a year or two after the switch from top-40 > to "Magic 61" (much like KABL today) back in 1986. (There is an AMS > recording on one of the sites, here.) Today it's oldies, but still ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/airchecks/usa/ca/610kfrc.mp3 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 11:19:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89712 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 18:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 18:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 18:18:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 18:18:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:18:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: bageing kfrc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 709 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: =snip= > or... > a few seconds of silence, then "equis e ese pe ene, ochocientos a eme, > tijuana, baja california, mexico. ESPN. Radio 800." with the last Well, that -is- a proper legal ID for a station broadcasting in Mexico. And that should be "Baja California Norte, Mexico". :) From it, we get the calls (XESPN), the frequency (800 AM) and the city of license (Tijuana, BCN, Mexico). This is why I said in an earlier post that all of North America (except for the French territory of St. Pierre & Miquelon) legally ID with call letters, not station names, as well as city of license. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From brian60420@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 13:32:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian60420@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5946 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 20:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 20:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web80606.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.79.95) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 20:32:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20031020203234.67410.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.24.179.207] by web80606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:32:34 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kahn gets tough To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: brian60420 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149950275 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The fact that the FCC doesn't keep track of who broadcasts in stereo tells me that they really don't care. Go to the FCC website. They have no clue. brian "Kevin T." wrote: > I'm trying to find a list of stations that will test CAM-D >Speaking of which, I wonder... has there ever been a documented case >of a station getting in trouble with the FCC, for broadcasting in >Kahn AM Stereo (or Harris, or Maganavox), after C-Quam became the >official standard? The actual cut-off date was some time in 1994, as >the 1993 FCC ruling included a one-year grace period for stations to >either switch to C-Quam or revert to mono. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 13:59:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48447 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 20:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 20:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 20:59:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 20:58:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:58:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn gets tough Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031020203234.67410.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1275 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Like I said in another pist (oops, I mean post), there's a link to a list of stations that need to broadcast in stereo (a few of which probably already do). that list is linked to search results on the FCC am database query, and it's set up so that pretty much every station in the FCC database is listed. (I also made a list of TIS's, too... ;)) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, brian60420 wrote: > The fact that the FCC doesn't keep track of who broadcasts in stereo tells me that they really don't care. Go to the FCC website. They have no clue. > > brian > > "Kevin T." wrote: > > I'm trying to find a list of stations that will test CAM-D > > >Speaking of which, I wonder... has there ever been a documented case > >of a station getting in trouble with the FCC, for broadcasting in > >Kahn AM Stereo (or Harris, or Maganavox), after C-Quam became the > >official standard? The actual cut-off date was some time in 1994, as > >the 1993 FCC ruling included a one-year grace period for stations to > >either switch to C-Quam or revert to mono. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From roy.sandgren@telia.com Mon Oct 20 14:10:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85133 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 21:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 21:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 21:10:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 21:10:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:10:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CAM-D Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 46 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radio774" X-Originating-IP: 217.210.132.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 What is CAM-D,a system getting FM-quality???? From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Oct 20 16:03:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64768 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 23:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2003 23:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 23:03:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2003 23:03:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:03:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CAM-D Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 406 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.227 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx > What is CAM-D,a system getting FM-quality???? CAM-D is a hybrid analog/digital AM transmission system designed by Leonard Kahn (of the Kahn/Hazeltine AM Stereo system) as an alternative to iBiquity's IBOC digital transmission system.....It is based on the Kahn/Hazeltine analog AM Stereo system, and allows for up to 15khz frequency response on AM, so yes, the quality approaches FM. --Tony Simon From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Oct 20 20:15:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73437 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 03:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 03:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 03:14:57 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.18d.2119c9e6 (4320) for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <18d.2119c9e6.2cc5feae@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:14:54 EDT Subject: WRNE/980 Pensacola, Fla. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 921 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of their logos I saw on the web said "AM STEREO", while another one I saw someplace else didn't...Anyone know the story with them? They're not listed as being Stereo on any websites, but they're not listed as an "Offender" either on Alex's long dead website. Tony Simon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From woody983@hotmail.com Mon Oct 20 22:49:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: woody983@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39404 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 05:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 05:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 05:49:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2003 05:49:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:49:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: mc10322a data sheet Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 76 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "woody9832000" X-Originating-IP: 211.29.136.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163243870 X-Yahoo-Profile: woody9832000 does anyone have or now where to find the data sheet for this chip at all? From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Oct 20 23:05:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14451 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 06:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 06:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 06:05:13 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-61-78.rev.o1.com [66.81.61.78]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9L65AS48094; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:05:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c39799$1573b1c0$4e3d5142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: krfc !!!! Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:03:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi Every budy is a big fan of KFRC but no one but me is willing to call and wright them about what some of us miss. Remember stranth in numbers speek louder than one. Jim S From dav259@csiro.au Mon Oct 20 23:29:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44469 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 06:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 06:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 06:29:16 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9L6TBtn001570 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:29:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:29:11 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: am stereo Subject: Re: {AMSF} krfc !!!! In-Reply-To: <000701c39799$1573b1c0$4e3d5142@jimsmith> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, JimSmith wrote: > Hi Every budy is a big fan of KFRC but no one but me is willing > to call and wright them about what some of us miss. Remember > stranth in numbers speek louder than one. Jim S Unfortunately Jim many on the list love taking the time to gripe but not to write. Have KFRC an e-mail address? If so I'll write. I couldn't find one on the web but did find this fascinating bit of trivia ... KFRC went on the air in 1924, with its first studios in the Whitcomb Hotel on Market Street, and, in 1925, moved to the City of Paris department store building, at Stockton and Geary streets. Southern California automobile dealer Don Lee purchased the station in 1926, and the studios moved to the new Don Lee Cadillac Building at 1000 Van Ness Avenue. The callsign KFRC stands for Known For Radio Clearness, to promote its then-new efficient Western Electric transmitter system. btw - your heading KRFC seems to be an FM station in Colorado. Ian Melbourne From jimsmith@vfr.net Mon Oct 20 23:59:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65478 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 06:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 06:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 06:59:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2003 06:59:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:59:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} krfc !!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1334 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.61.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, JimSmith wrote: > > > Hi Every budy is a big fan of KFRC but no one but me is willing > > to call and wright them about what some of us miss. Remember > > stranth in numbers speek louder than one. Jim S > > > Unfortunately Jim many on the list love taking the time to gripe but not > to write. > > > Have KFRC an e-mail address? If so I'll write. I couldn't find one on > the web but did find this fascinating bit of trivia ... > > Hi Ian I will post the enganeers e-mail for every budy to see. The old GM that just left had a e-mail but he took it with him. Why thay don't have there owen e-mail is unknown. Thanks jim S > KFRC went on the air in 1924, with its first studios in the Whitcomb Hotel > on Market Street, and, in 1925, moved to the City of Paris department > store building, at Stockton and Geary streets. Southern California > automobile dealer Don Lee purchased the station in 1926, and the studios > moved to the new Don Lee Cadillac Building at 1000 Van Ness Avenue. The > callsign KFRC stands for Known For Radio Clearness, to promote its > then-new efficient Western Electric transmitter system. > > > btw - your heading KRFC seems to be an FM station in Colorado. > > > Ian > Melbourne From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Oct 21 00:08:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76339 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 07:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 07:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 07:08:20 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-61-78.rev.o1.com [66.81.61.78]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9L78F867910; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:08:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c397a1$e67baea0$4e3d5142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: Home Page Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:06:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Home PageThis is the head enganer for KFRC radio LERZA.COM Welcome to our web site lerza.com. We are Phil and Chris Lerza, living in Foster City, California, and can be e-mailed at: plerza@earthlink.net Enjoy your visit! Updated: September 7, 2003 Howard and Louise's Wedding Matt and Jessica's Wedding Emily's Graduation Twins New Home Garrett Fire Tour Kelly's 30 Party The listing above only encompasses the last few updates made to the web site. The buttons to the left provide access to all of the various subjects and photos published on the site in the past. As a rule, I virtually never remove anything that has been published. In shorter terms, the listing above is only the tip of the iceberg. Thanks for stopping by and Have Fun! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From roy.sandgren@telia.com Tue Oct 21 00:44:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48086 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 07:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 07:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 07:44:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2003 07:44:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:44:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CAM-D Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 436 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radio774" X-Originating-IP: 217.210.132.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Tony, thanks for you help,but can it be in service to the european standard (am)instead of drm??? I intend to do some tests on am in Sweden with CAM-D on my ship, if Kahn get me a licence. It's maybe better than DRM. Anyone knowing how to find Kahn and the rigth staff behind CAM-D??? Can I broadcast analouge am in parallel with CAM-D??? Listners don't have CAM-D, will listen to us with a standard am- reciever??? www.amradio.se From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 01:54:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63966 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 08:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 08:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 08:54:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2003 08:54:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:54:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: krfc !!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c39799$1573b1c0$4e3d5142@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 503 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.115.108.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JimSmith" wrote: > Hi Every budy is a big fan of KFRC but no one but me is willing to call and > wright them about what some of us miss. Remember stranth in numbers speek > louder than one. Jim S I don't think there are too many here who live, have lived, or vacationed in receiving range of KFRC. I spend my summers as a yound mouseling in Lake County, just north of the SF Bay Area, which is how I know of the station. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Oct 21 02:16:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28360 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 09:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 09:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 09:16:05 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-61-78.rev.o1.com [66.81.61.78]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9L9G3h31920; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 02:16:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c397b3$c03d7860$4e3d5142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: Kfrc am 610 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 02:14:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi I live about a 100 miles north east of Berkly neer Auburn ca so KFRC covers the gold conty and Sacramento Ca area very well with day time ground wave . So there is some of us that don't live in the bay area that have enjoyed KFRC for over 30 years now. Thanks Jim S From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Oct 21 02:18:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34130 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 09:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 09:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 09:18:08 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-61-78.rev.o1.com [66.81.61.78]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9L9I4h65608; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 02:18:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c397b4$0842aa40$4e3d5142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: Kfrc-am Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 02:16:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KFRC-AM KFRC-AM is a 5000 Watt, Non Directional Class B facility. It operates on 610 KHz full time. The tower is 447 feet. Racks of control and audio equipment. Antenna Switch to route RF signals from the 3 transmitters. Diplexer used to combine KVTO-AM and KFRC-AM signals into the tower. Transmission lines overhead routing RF from Transmitters to the Antenna Switch. Continental Power Rock 828E, and the Harris MW-5 Transmitters used to back up the Main. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Tue Oct 21 02:28:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56002 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 09:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 09:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 09:28:58 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9L9St6Y008014 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:28:57 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:28:55 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: KFRC in stereo (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 G'day Jim I've just sent this from my hotmail account - which doesn't end in .au Hope it helps. And hope several others will do likewise. United we stand! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:23:22 +0000 From: Ian Davidson To: plerza@earthlink.net Subject: KFRC in stereo Hi Phil I really miss listening to KFRC in am stereo. With the recent disastrous testing of IBOC on the AM band is there chance that you could switch the C-quam back on and give us good stereo sound again? Many of us have stereo receivers and would love to be able to hear it from KFRC again. cheers Ian Fairfield From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Oct 21 03:40:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81817 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 10:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 10:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 10:40:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2003 10:40:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:40:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KFRC in stereo (fwd) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 774 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.61.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > G'day Jim > > I've just sent this from my hotmail account - which doesn't end in .au > > Hope it helps. And hope several others will do likewise. > > United we stand! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:23:22 +0000 > From: Ian Davidson > To: plerza@e... > Subject: KFRC in stereo > > Hi Phil > > I really miss listening to KFRC in am stereo. > > With the recent disastrous testing of IBOC on the AM band is there chance > that you could switch the C-quam back on and give us good stereo sound > again? Many of us have stereo receivers and would love to be able to > hear it from KFRC again. > > cheers > > > Ian > Fairfield From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Oct 21 03:47:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78169 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 10:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 10:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 10:47:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2003 10:47:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:47:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KFRC in stereo (fwd) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 980 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jimsmith95663" X-Originating-IP: 66.81.61.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > G'day Jim > > I've just sent this from my hotmail account - which doesn't end in .au > > Hope it helps. And hope several others will do likewise. > > United we stand! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:23:22 +0000 > From: Ian Davidson > To: plerza@e... > Subject: KFRC in stereo > > Hi Phil > > I really miss listening to KFRC in am stereo. > > With the recent disastrous testing of IBOC on the AM band is there chance > that you could switch the C-quam back on and give us good stereo sound > again? Many of us have stereo receivers and would love to be able to > hear it from KFRC again. > > cheers > > > Ian > Fairfield Hi Ian Thank you for you help i hope he dose not know that you are from ausy. We all so have a Fairfeield Ca to. Thay can defenaly get kfrc thay are about 30 miles form Barkly. Thanks angen Jim S From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Oct 21 05:03:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62734 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 12:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 12:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.121) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 12:02:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:02:56 -0700 Received: from 172.141.224.102 by bay7-dav17.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:02:55 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CAM-D Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:58:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2003 12:02:56.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[436343C0:01C397CB] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.141.224.102] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 radio774 wrote: >Anyone knowing how to find Kahn and the rigth staff behind CAM-D??? Yes, you can write to: Kahn Communications Inc 501 5 Av New York, NY 10017 or call Country Code 1+ 212-983-6765 > > Can I broadcast analouge am in parallel with CAM-D??? > Listners don't have CAM-D, will listen to us with a standard am- receiver??? CAM-D is fully compatible with standard analog AM receivers and KAHN ISB AM Stereo receivers. Kevin From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Oct 21 05:11:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith@vfr.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 133 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 12:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 12:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miner.vfr.net) (207.212.212.133) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 12:11:34 -0000 Received: from jimsmith (host-66-81-45-250.rev.o1.com [66.81.45.250]) by miner.vfr.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h9LCBVe03770; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:11:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c397cc$430799c0$fa2d5142@jimsmith> To: "am stereo" Cc: "Jim Smith" Subject: kahn is cool Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:10:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "JimSmith" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162720673 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95663 Hi Thats cool about Kahn Kevn. Jim S From roy.sandgren@telia.com Tue Oct 21 06:03:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83083 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 13:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 13:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 13:03:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2003 13:03:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:03:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CAM-D Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 145 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radio774" X-Originating-IP: 217.210.132.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Thanks to the tips!!! Any website to read more about CAM-D from Kahn or Kahn's own site?? Want to send an e-mail to them??? roy in rainy Sweden. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 13:34:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73701 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 20:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 20:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 20:34:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2003 20:34:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:34:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KFRC in stereo (fwd) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1518 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Would it have any effect if a potential listener from San Diego, CA, sent in a copy of the email to KFRC? I think I can sometimes hear the station on 610, with what I think is co-channel interference from KAVL Lancaster, and somewhat severe adjacent-channel splatter from 600 KOGO San Diego. If they knew they had potential listeners 500 miles away, would that possibly do anything? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95663" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson > wrote: > > > > G'day Jim > > > > I've just sent this from my hotmail account - which doesn't end > in .au > > > > Hope it helps. And hope several others will do likewise. > > > > United we stand! > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:23:22 +0000 > > From: Ian Davidson > > To: plerza@e... > > Subject: KFRC in stereo > > > > Hi Phil > > > > I really miss listening to KFRC in am stereo. > > > > With the recent disastrous testing of IBOC on the AM band is there > chance > > that you could switch the C-quam back on and give us good stereo > sound > > again? Many of us have stereo receivers and would love to be able > to > > hear it from KFRC again. > > > > cheers > > > > > > Ian > > Fairfield > Hi Ian Thank you for you help i hope he dose not know that you are > from ausy. We all so have a Fairfeield Ca to. Thay can defenaly get > kfrc thay are about 30 miles form Barkly. Thanks angen Jim S From dav259@csiro.au Tue Oct 21 16:47:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30944 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 23:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 23:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 23:47:21 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9LNlI6Y016103 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:47:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:47:18 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KFRC in stereo (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, jimsmith95663 wrote: > Hi Ian Thank you for you help i hope he dose not know that you are > from ausy. We all so have a Fairfeield Ca to. Thay can defenaly get > kfrc thay are about 30 miles form Barkly. Thanks angen Jim S Yes Jim I know - I looked it up and thought I'd temporarily "move" there - and I switched my hotmail account to GMT. We also have a Fairfield in Melbourne - but I live in St. Kilda. As far as I'm concerned we've gotta do what we gotta do to save AMS whilst we can. Ian :) From dav259@csiro.au Tue Oct 21 16:55:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95829 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2003 23:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2003 23:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2003 23:55:20 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9LNtI6Y016345 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:55:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:55:18 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: OT: RDS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 It's a shame the manufacturers of RDS capable receivers won't include AMS. Clear Channel Gets Behind RDS Calling it the largest rollout of RDS in the United States, Clear Channel Radio says it will install the radio data technology on 192 of its FM stations in the top 50 markets by the end of November. "Clear Channel Radio announced today that it will work with Audemat-Aztec to install dynamic RDS generators across the country," the broadcast group stated Wednesday. RDS technology was introduced in this country about a decade ago, and many stations implemented it then; but it failed to catch on widely at the time, despite active efforts by proponents. With more receivers in the market now and more interest in the data side of radio, supporters say, interest is growing again. The technology will let stations scroll artist name and title playing on the air, station call letters, traffic information and other messages for display on radios equipped with RDS. In its announcement, Clear Channel Radio CEO John Hogan stated, "Clear Channel Radio's financial and manpower commitment to this initiative is strong evidence of the company's ongoing effort to provide more, better options for our listeners." Christophe Poulain, Audemat-Aztec vice president of business development, said, "As more cars are equipped with RDS, we have seen a steady increase in interest for this technology." The product involved on the station side is an Audemat-Aztec FMB80. The company describes it thus: "Dynamic RDS generator with TCP/IP connectivity provides flexible and easy installation on a network. The FMB80 communicates with the automation software through its serial or Ethernet-TCP/IP ports to send song and artist information and station messages. The IP addressable feature allows radio operators to make changes from anywhere, keeping information displayed relevant and local. The FMB80 also features the TA flag that can display information when the station broadcasts a traffic alert." From stodd@vippn.com Tue Oct 21 17:54:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34214 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 00:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 00:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 00:54:15 -0000 Message-ID: <003d01c39837$bc0b8280$827dfea9@home1> To: Subject: Fw: [CRTech] Broadcasters Clinic Report Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:59:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Slightly edited for brevity and to weed out some unnecessary info, but here's a message from the CRTech reflector that had some very interesting receiver info of special interest to us techies. ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Croom" > > > Well guys/gals, > > I'm back in the office after my favorite conference of the year, the > Broadcasters Clinic. It's the annual Fall engineering conference of the > Wisconsin Broadcasters Association. > For Grandpa Tom, I want to report on the presentation by Michael Stosich for > Bosch/Blaupunkt on their Digiceiver technology. Originally someone from > Motorola had been scheduled to present, but they pulled out at some point in > the recent past. > > First of all, for those not familiar with the Digiceiver, what Blaupunkt has > done is created a radio that takes the output of the mixer (10.7 Mhz IF) and > oversamples that into digital form. That allows them to do all the > demodulation, high-blend, switch to mono, etc in the digital domain. Then of > course after demod they do all the tone control etc in DSP, too. They have a > very cool variable digital IF filter that responds to the presence of > adjacent channel trash in the desired signal and narrows the bandwidth to > make the signal usable. That's one of the best features of the chipset for > those who live in metropolitan areas. I have one of the older Digiceivers in > my car and I know this feature really works. That receiver is the best FM > receiver I've ever owned. It's respectable on AM, but doesn't blow my socks > off. The FM, though, is extremely good for mobile reception. > > What Michael presented was the technical information on the latest version > of the Digiceiver chipset, which includes some new noise blanking features, > AND a two-antenna reception technology that they call "Digital Directional > Antenna". This is not diversity, but actually takes the output of two > tuners, digitizes them both, and digitally adjusts the phasing to sum the > signals to provide the strongest reception of stations. The end result is > that it works a little bit like an AM DA in reverse to lock in on the > desired signal and provide antenna system gain. It effectively makes > multipath less of an issue by making the antenna system less sensitive > off-axis from the desired station. This looks like great technology, and I > had that materialistic desire to run out and try one of these in my own > world. Maybe it'll happen one of these days... > > In the presence of very strong signals (where DDA is not really needed) the > "extra" receiver samples the rest of the band looking for RDS information, > so you can use RDS to move from station to station in the same format etc. > This is much more useful in Europe than here in the US, but it shows that > they have planned a good deal of flexibility into this thing, trying to > exploit the DSP for whatever they can get out of it. > > Here's a link to a news release about this thing from earlier this year: > > http://www.gspr.com/blau/twinceiver.html > > Here's the page from Crutchfield.com for the absolutely hottest version of > this thing in an in-dash receiver. Make sure you're sitting down when you > read the price. This is cutting-edge technology, and priced accordingly > (that's why it'll be a while before I can afford one). Click the "Detailed > info" tab to read the real scoop on the tuner. The first page is almost > misleading (under-sells it). Watch for wrapping on the link: > > http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-xQEdzyivsmq/ProdView.asp?a=&s=0&cc=01&g =300&id=essential_info&i=023SANCD72 > > I bought my Blaupunkt Alaska over two years ago for something like $220 > delivered. That model uses the original Digiceiver (not the twin-tuner > version) and has a CD player and high-power audio outputs. Did I mention it > was the best FM radio I've ever had? Sorry, repeating myself again. > > Michael Stosich is a product and feature evaluator for the Bosch R&D > department. He drives around testing car radios for a living. He described > is as a sort of semi-scientific process since you can't precisely duplicate > multipath conditions affected by traffic etc. He says he runs LOTS of tests > through the same areas on any given receiver and averages the results. > > He showed a slide of a comparison he did between one of the original > Digiceivers and a high-end McIntosh Labs tuner that he had sunk something > like $1500 into many years earlier. He did this after his first field tests > of the original boxes, nearly 5 years ago. He scored it on the basis of > features and specifications, just to see how it stacked up. He gave > basically a "win-lose" score of 1 or 2 to each receiver based on which > specification qualified as "better" between the two. > > The interesting part was that the excellent McIntosh tuner was better in > some areas, but not all, and the way it worked out there was an even score > of 22 for each tuner at the end of the evaluation. The McIntosh was > extremely expensive (not to mention not mobile), but at that time the > Digiceiver that was just going on the market was about $300 US. My Alaska > was originally $300, but by the time I got the money together to buy it (my > family gave it as a gift divided between Father's Day and my birthday), the > price was down to $199 for a high-powered audio CD-player version. > > As for the Motorola Symphony chipset, here's the interesting part. Michael > stated that Motorola actually manufactures the two-chip solution that > Bosch/Blaupunkt developed for this receiver. What I believe I heard him > saying was that Motorola had worked out a deal with Bosch to be able to > license the DigiCeiver technology for their own marketing purposes after a > period of time, and that he thinks the "Symphony" chipset is simply going to > be the Bosch technology re-branded. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 18:19:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49816 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 01:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 01:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 01:19:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2003 01:19:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 01:19:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: What are the better quality radios listed on.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003d01c39837$bc0b8280$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 266 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/home.htm ?? Preferably one that also has inputs/outputs for computer, CD, cassette, LP, video, etc... and AMAX certified is a big plus Also, what would I expect to pay for one (low to high range) if I find one? From stodd@vippn.com Tue Oct 21 18:31:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84398 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 01:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 01:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 01:31:22 -0000 Message-ID: <00a201c3983c$ebbd0940$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KFRC in stereo (fwd) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:18:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Somehow I doubt it, but please do it anyway.. They're more apt to pay attention to folks in their primary service area, but an occasional DX listener's comments wouldn't hurt. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > Would it have any effect if a potential listener from San Diego, CA, > sent in a copy of the email to KFRC? I think I can sometimes hear the > station on 610, with what I think is co-channel interference from KAVL > Lancaster, and somewhat severe adjacent-channel splatter from 600 KOGO > San Diego. > If they knew they had potential listeners 500 miles away, would that > possibly do anything? From stodd@vippn.com Tue Oct 21 18:31:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72714 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 01:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 01:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 01:31:25 -0000 Message-ID: <00a301c3983c$ecc1f620$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} mc10322a data sheet Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:36:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you mean the 13022, I've got a copy I could scan and email you, though seems to me someone else on this list has it on their page. AMS resources seem to be so scattered lately I can't keep up with all of it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "woody9832000" > does anyone have or now where to find the data sheet for this chip > at all? From possumhunter@netzero.net Tue Oct 21 18:33:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87820 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 01:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 01:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.10.18) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 01:33:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:33:56 -0700 Received: from 172.169.135.119 by bay7-dav46.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 01:33:56 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [dodgeramtrucker@hotmail.com] To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CAM-D Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:11:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2003 01:33:56.0976 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F840700:01C3983C] X-eGroups-From: "Possum Hunter" From: "Possum Hunter" Reply-To: "Possum Hunter" X-Originating-IP: [172.169.135.119] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7882787 X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 radio774 wrote: > Any website to read more about CAM-D from Kahn or Kahn's own site?? > Want to send an e-mail to them??? As far as I know, Kahn does not have a web site or email. Kevin From stodd@vippn.com Tue Oct 21 18:34:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19056 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 01:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 01:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 01:34:04 -0000 Message-ID: <00af01c3983d$4d4c9f40$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGHO 920 in mono Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:39:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Call and let them know you've noticed they're in mono. If nobody calls then they think nobody cares. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "bratina501" > One of my local AM stereo stations KGHO 920 is not in stereo right > now they might be having problems with their exciter. From bratina501@msn.com Tue Oct 21 18:57:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12287 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 01:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 01:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 01:57:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2003 01:57:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 01:57:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGHO 920 in mono Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00af01c3983d$4d4c9f40$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 295 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Call and let them know you've noticed they're in mono. If nobody calls then > they think nobody cares. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- I think they have a web site if I can find it I will e-mail them From bratina501@msn.com Tue Oct 21 19:00:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69385 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 02:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 02:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 02:00:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2003 02:00:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:00:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: RDS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 347 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > It's a shame the manufacturers of RDS capable receivers won't include AMS. > > I know Chrystler does on the RAZ and RBN radios they include both RDS and AM stereo. I have actually have a few RDS stations in my area and got one from Wyoming through meteor scatter. From dav259@csiro.au Tue Oct 21 20:58:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82312 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 03:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 03:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 03:58:07 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9M3w16Y027016 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:58:06 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:58:01 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGHO 920 in mono Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 ----- Original Message ----- From: "bratina501" > One of my local AM stereo stations KGHO 920 is not in stereo right > now they might be having problems with their exciter. Have they got an e-mail address? KGHO 920 AM 3.3 Olympia, WA Classic Rock Station Owner: Spencer Broadcasting, L.P. find stations owned by Spencer Broadcasting, L.P. this feature is only available to Gold Customers Station Address: 120 State Ave N.E. Mb 95 Olympia, WA 98501 Phone: 360-491-9200 Fax: 206-532-1456 From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Oct 21 21:39:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53807 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 04:39:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 04:39:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao03.cox.net) (68.6.19.242) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 04:39:29 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031022043928.IGIA23864.fed1mtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:39:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:39:50 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: RDS Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CCU can make money off of RDS. They must spend money on AM stereo.=20 'Nuff said. On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 04:55 PM, Ian Davidson wrote: > > It's a shame the manufacturers of RDS capable receivers won't include=20 > AMS. > > > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Clear Channel Gets Behind RDS > > Calling it the largest rollout of RDS in the United States, Clear > Channel Radio says it will install the radio data technology on > 192 of its FM stations in the top 50 markets by the end of > November. > > "Clear Channel Radio announced today that it will work with > Audemat-Aztec to install dynamic RDS generators across the > country," the broadcast group stated Wednesday. > > RDS technology was introduced in this country about a decade ago, > and many stations implemented it then; but it failed to catch on > widely at the time, despite active efforts by proponents. With > more receivers in the market now and more interest in the data > side of radio, supporters say, interest is growing again. > > The technology will let stations scroll artist name and title > playing on the air, station call letters, traffic information and > other messages for display on radios equipped with RDS. > > In its announcement, Clear Channel Radio CEO John Hogan stated, > "Clear Channel Radio's financial and manpower commitment to this > initiative is strong evidence of the company's ongoing effort to > provide more, better options for our listeners." > > Christophe Poulain, Audemat-Aztec vice president of business > development, said, "As more cars are equipped with RDS, we have > seen a steady increase in interest for this technology." > > The product involved on the station side is an Audemat-Aztec > FMB80. The company describes it thus: > > "Dynamic RDS generator with TCP/IP connectivity provides flexible > and easy installation on a network. The FMB80 communicates with > the automation software through its serial or Ethernet-TCP/IP > ports to send song and artist information and station messages. > The IP addressable feature allows radio operators to make changes > from anywhere, keeping information displayed relevant and local. > The FMB80 also features the TA flag that can display information > when the station broadcasts a traffic alert." > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 21:41:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68040 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 04:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 04:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 04:41:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20031022044142.74074.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:41:42 PDT Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: RDS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It (RDS) would be used most likely to advertise Michael Ian Davidson wrote: It's a shame the manufacturers of RDS capable receivers won't include AMS. Clear Channel Gets Behind RDS --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith@vfr.net Tue Oct 21 21:45:48 2003 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Tue Oct 21 21:55:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68830 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 04:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 04:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 04:55:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2003 04:55:56 -0000 Date: 22 Oct 2003 04:55:56 -0000 Message-ID: <1066798556.92979.79578.w60@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /pdf/Mc13022a.pdf Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Motorola MC13022 C-Quam AM Stereo decoder data sheet (PDF format) You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/Mc13022a.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From roy.sandgren@telia.com Tue Oct 21 23:37:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44724 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 06:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 06:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 06:37:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2003 06:37:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:37:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kahn CAM-D Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 410 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radio774" X-Originating-IP: 217.210.132.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Kevin, and other guys and dolls. Any fax to Kahn Comunications Inc??? Anyone more having info about CAM-D, technical data etc. If you have more info, send a file to my e-mail;) , DAB kills am-fm??? No,no,no,!!! Boring programs on dab??? Yes, yes, yes, Where do you find best choiches???? On the am-band, yeah,yeah,yeah,!!! Am I rigth??? From oldphones@webtv.net Wed Oct 22 04:51:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99519 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 11:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 11:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 11:51:35 -0000 Received: from storefull-2115.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2115.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.155]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 8407910651 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 04:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2115.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA10219; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 04:51:35 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQ4hL+nnaT4rkx6bNLGJHtgaHbAcgIVAMvYa+LerWQw2jMKaofjzZg5+66+ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:51:35 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 922 Message-ID: <7347-3F966F47-213@storefull-2115.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 22 Oct 2003 08:53:14 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 I would like to know more about this "CAM=D" system. It has been suggested that KRVN-AM 880 Lexington, NE is experimenting with this. I am about 200 miles to the east at Omaha, NE My recent listening to 880 doesn't show anything out of the ordinary. 880 sounds normal, 890 WLS skipping in strongly, some signals on 870 this was in the evening about 6:45 CDT AT 7:00 KRVN, switches to it's nightime pattern aimed towards the West, the signal goes to ZERO reception! BTW - I also tuned to and got WSAI 1530 Cincinnati - it sounds pretty normal to me, no obvious buzzing or hash noises -- the IBOC must be OFF!! Later Oldphones@ webtv. net I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 05:54:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51239 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 12:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 12:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 12:54:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20031022125404.58514.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:54:04 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Leonard Kahn is open to support To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio radio774- the best way to reach Leonard Kahn is by U.S. "snail mail" - and chances are you WILL get a response from him - I have already - twice - but I wouldn't mention the word "CQUAM" at all. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Oct 22 06:19:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45990 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 13:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 13:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 13:19:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2003 13:19:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:19:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo Lives! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2320 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking That's what I said to some of my co-workers as I unwrapped an EMS pouch from Japan, containing a nice new Sony SRF-A300. I was just about to run outside on my coffee break to get batteries, when I discovered that Sony thoughtfully included a set. I put them in and voila, this is one very sensitive nice sounding radio. Not able to read Japanese, I played with the various switches etc. all very nice and big. I stumbled upon one slide switch, the one closest to the whip antenna, which appears to give a simulated stereo effect. The effect was quite modest on CHTN, but on CKEC it was very dramatic - sounded like real stereo! Does anyone with an A300 know what this switch is for sure? It's always possible that CKEC is now AM Stereo but without a pilot tone - perhaps they bought the exiter off CJFX when the latter went dark [as an AM station] earlier this year. The radio seems very sensitive, very nice tuning [the opposite of the SRF-42 in this regard]. The audio seems a bit muffled until you get used to it. Its not so much that the top end is poor - rather its that it [as Keven T. has pointed out before] has a substantial bass boost to give it a mellow sound. With its large controls and mellow tone, I suspect it would appeal rather nicely to older people, as well as a 40 year old techno junkie like myself. Once I have played with it some more, I will write a review of it for the Audiocubes site - this is another way we can promote AM Stereo. Matt Trim wrote a very good review of the AX15 on the audiocubes site. By the way, I was very pleased with the online ordering experience with audiocubes, the packaging, and of course the product. Its great to know that there IS a way to buy new AM Stereo radios at relatively reasonable prices. Thanks to the much stronger of late Canadian dollar, the SRF-A300 is an especially good bargain! We have talked before that an AM Stereo radio should have a "gimmick" - e.g. features other than AMS to help "position it in the market" and make it attractive to a wider range of consumers. The large buttons, switches and controls of this radio make it ideal for those who are frustrated with the tiny controls common on todays radios. This radio has just become my favourite portable radio! Phil R. PEI Canada From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Oct 22 06:29:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66098 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 13:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 13:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 13:29:53 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:29:53 -0600 Message-ID: <004e01c398a0$93ca16b0$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: RDS Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:29:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wyoming?? Remember which one it was? We don't have very many here! Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: bratina501 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: RDS I know Chrystler does on the RAZ and RBN radios they include both RDS and AM stereo. I have actually have a few RDS stations in my area and got one from Wyoming through meteor scatter. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 08:38:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36969 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 15:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 15:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41014.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.13) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 15:38:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20031022153850.99946.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.223.45.148] by web41014.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:38:50 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: KUNO-Corpus Christi To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004e01c398a0$93ca16b0$5401010a@AM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I was browsing the C.C. website the other night and decided to see which stations they owned on certain frequencies. As you all probably know, I am the P.D. for WPEP/1570-Taunton, Ma.: a frequency which C.C. owns NO stations! No 1570s! I also work as a field engineer for WSAR/1480 & WHTB/1400-Fall River, Ma.. It is with that latter station which I found the logo for KUNO on their website. It says "AM Stereo." I kid you not! Right on their website, and in their home state even! By the way, I also work for C.C. Oldies WWBB/101.5-Providence. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 12:05:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39357 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 19:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 19:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 19:05:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20031022190500.8788.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:05:00 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Lives! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It be the mono/stereo switch. These are very good on AM. Michael tubesareking wrote: That's what I said to some of my co-workers as I unwrapped an EMS pouch from Japan, containing a nice new Sony SRF-A300. I stumbled upon one slide switch, the one closest to the whip antenna, which appears to give a simulated stereo effect. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From braillers@verizon.net Wed Oct 22 13:15:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: braillers@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16830 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 20:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 20:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out002.verizon.net) (206.46.170.141) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 20:14:29 -0000 Received: from DBY1VT21 ([138.89.29.30]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20031022201428.SYAV602.out002.verizon.net@DBY1VT21> for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:14:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c398d9$1ab1a200$94e1fea9@DBY1VT21> To: Subject: Tragedy On The Air: Jane Dornacker, October 22, 1986 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:14:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [138.89.29.30] at Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:14:27 -0500 From: "Luis Guerra" Reply-To: "Luis Guerra" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=156951300 X-Yahoo-Profile: unionhill2002 http://www.ohms.com/kyuu7.htm From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 13:21:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80169 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 20:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 20:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 20:21:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2003 20:21:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:21:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031022190500.8788.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 982 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key How would you say the sensitivity, selectivity, and audio quality would compare to an SRF-42? I'm trying to think of a way to justify getting one. I would like to be able to listen to KDIS 1110 Pasadena (Radio Disney) but it's an extremely weak fringe signal on my SRF-42, and I get severe adjacent-channel bleedover from KSDO 1130 San Diego (Radio Nueva Vida). --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > It be the mono/stereo switch. > These are very good on AM. > Michael > > tubesareking wrote: > That's what I said to some of my co-workers as I unwrapped an EMS > pouch from Japan, containing a nice new Sony SRF-A300. I stumbled upon one slide switch, the one closest to > the whip antenna, which appears to give a simulated stereo effect. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 13:30:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76947 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 20:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 20:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 20:30:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20031022203010.87832.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:30:10 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I never seen a SRF42 apart from a picture on Ebay but since being on this forum I and owning a SRF A300 -the 300 would be far better on dxing and separation for distant stations It would get KDIS fine as well being 30kHz from KSDO as we have a local on 702 and I can get magic 693 from Melbourne at 1600 miles away with a nightime"local" on 693 and 4KQ Brisbane for instance(You can move the radio around and it will null some of the unwanted stuff so then I could get Magic. Michael pianoplayer88key wrote: How would you say the sensitivity, selectivity, and audio quality would compare to an SRF-42? I'm trying to think of a way to justify getting one. I would like to be able to listen to KDIS 1110 Pasadena (Radio Disney) but it's an extremely weak fringe signal on my SRF-42, and I get severe adjacent-channel bleedover from KSDO 1130 San Diego (Radio Nueva Vida). --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Oct 22 13:30:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60340 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 20:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 20:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 20:30:27 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.225]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:33:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c398db$35aa0320$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives! Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:29:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The sensitivity and ease of tuning on the 300 is MUCH better than the 42, due to the much larger ferrite antenna, and the tuning being much smoother. The sound is NOT as good, suffering in the high frequency areas. Don't get me wrong- the 300 is a very good radio. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key To: Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives! > How would you say the sensitivity, selectivity, and audio quality > would compare to an SRF-42? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 14:26:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91398 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 21:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 21:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 21:26:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2003 21:26:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:26:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c398db$35aa0320$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 755 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > The sensitivity and ease of tuning on the 300 is MUCH better than the 42, > due to the much larger ferrite antenna, and the tuning being much smoother. > The sound is NOT as good, suffering in the high frequency areas. ok, then... what would be a good one that at the minimum meets or beats AMAX requirements? Don't get > me wrong- the 300 is a very good radio. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pianoplayer88key > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:21 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives! > > > > How would you say the sensitivity, selectivity, and audio quality > > would compare to an SRF-42? From roy.sandgren@telia.com Wed Oct 22 14:30:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: roy.sandgren@telia.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19496 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 21:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 21:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 21:29:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2003 21:29:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:29:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CAM-D Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 257 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radio774" X-Originating-IP: 217.210.132.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138442123 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Had a nice talk to Mr. Kahn today but forgoten to ask him about this, is there any stations around the world testing the CAM-D and any car- recievers aviable??? Roy in sweden. fax in the states 425-795-95 03 if you want to send some stuff confidential. OK From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Oct 22 14:49:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54108 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 21:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 21:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 21:49:45 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.139.97]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:52:25 -0400 Message-ID: <001701c398e6$4a42d5e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives! Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:48:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 There is only 1 radio (affordable portable) that meets AMAX, and that is the SRF42. The FM on mine is awful, and I have 3, so it is in the design- very muddy, difficult to capture stereo, but for AM stereo, it is my favorite. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 16:13:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29171 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 23:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 23:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 23:13:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2003 23:13:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:13:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: A New One in FLORIDA?? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 257 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bossmsx2" X-Originating-IP: 68.158.235.198 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Someone told me today that they checked for Stereo at WRNE/980 in Pensacola, Fla. a couple of months ago and indeed, it was Stereo. I'll add more details when I (hopefully) go there next month. Also, please note the new email address. Tony Simon/Miami From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 16:16:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78484 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 23:16:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 23:16:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 23:16:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2003 23:16:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:16:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c398e6$4a42d5e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 336 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bossmsx2" X-Originating-IP: 68.158.235.198 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 > SRF42 I have a problem with my '42, and I want to know if it's specific to mine, or if anyone else has this as well....Most AM Stereo stations I pull in with it, I get an underlying 'hiss' accompanying the audio...Happened with WWBF/1130/Bartow in Winter Haven, and when receiving WMIB/1660/Marco Island from Sanibel, Fla. Tony From mikew@lanl.gov Wed Oct 22 16:36:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikew@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96219 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2003 23:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2003 23:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2003 23:36:16 -0000 Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h9MNaFaJ021594 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:36:15 -0600 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h9MNaFBo005785 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:36:15 -0600 Received: from lanl.gov (romulus.lanl.gov [128.165.209.40]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h9MNaEqs014822 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:36:15 -0600 Message-ID: <3F97146F.30103@lanl.gov> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:36:15 -0600 Organization: Otowi Medium Wave DXers Club User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030701 X-Accept-Language: en-us, es, en, zh-cn, af, sq, ar, ar-dz, ar-bh, ar-eg, ar-iq, ar-jo, ar-kw, ar-lb, ar-ly, ar-ma, ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye, hy, ast, eu, be, bs, bg, ca, zh, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, hr, cs, da, nl, nl-be, en-au, en-bz, en-ca, en-ie, en-jm, en-nz, en-ph, en-za, en-tt, en-gb, en-zw, eo, et, fo, fi, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch, gl, ka, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, hu, is, id, in, ga, it, it-ch, ja, ko, ko-kp, ko-kr, lv, lt, mk-mk, ms, no, nb, nn, pl, pt, pt-br, ro, ru, gd, sr, sk, sl, sb, es-ar, es-bo, es-cl, es-co, es-cr, es-do, es-ec, es-sv, es-gt, es-hn, es-mx, es-ni, es-pa, es-py, es-pe, es-pr, es-es, es-uy, es-ve, sv, sv-fi, th, tr, uk, vi, cy, xh, yi, zu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} mc10322a data sheet References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 From: "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150284724 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6kuy woody9832000 wrote: > does anyone have or now where to find the data sheet for this chip > at all? Yes. I have it Right Here. You're welcome. -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From bratina501@msn.com Wed Oct 22 17:28:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25877 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 00:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 00:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 00:28:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 00:28:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:28:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: RDS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004e01c398a0$93ca16b0$5401010a@AM> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 318 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Wyoming?? Remember which one it was? We don't have very many here! > > Michael n WYO > The station I got was KFRZ 92.1 Green River during the Persids last August > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@vippn.com Wed Oct 22 17:45:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34816 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 00:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 00:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 00:44:48 -0000 Message-ID: <003f01c398ff$74840f40$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kahn CAM-D Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:44:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I doubt he'd be too specific since it's still an experimental technology. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "radio774" > Anyone more having info about CAM-D, technical data etc. > If you have more info, send a file to my e-mail;) From bratina501@msn.com Wed Oct 22 18:27:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85867 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 01:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 01:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 01:27:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 01:27:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:27:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGHO 920 in mono Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1059 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Davidson wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bratina501" > > > One of my local AM stereo stations KGHO 920 is not in stereo right > > now they might be having problems with their exciter. > > > Have they got an e-mail address? > > > KGHO 920 AM 3.3 Olympia, WA Classic Rock > > > Station Owner: > Spencer Broadcasting, L.P. > find stations owned by Spencer Broadcasting, L.P. > this feature is only available to Gold Customers > > Station Address: > 120 State Ave N.E. > Mb 95 > Olympia, WA 98501 > > Phone: 360-491-9200 > Fax: 206-532-1456 I just took a look at their web site no they do not have an e mail address. I found something that might explain why they are not in stereo they moved to a new tower and might have not moved their exciter as well which would have really helped their sound. I am personaly very disappointed they are not in stereo since they have better coverage from their new tower then they did from their old one. From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 20:04:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48135 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 03:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 03:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 03:04:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 03:04:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 03:04:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 809 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.114 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > The sensitivity and ease of tuning on the 300 is MUCH better than > the 42, > > due to the much larger ferrite antenna, and the tuning being much > smoother. > > The sound is NOT as good, suffering in the high frequency areas. > > ok, then... what would be a good one that at the minimum meets or > beats AMAX requirements? The '42 is AMAX compliant, which is out to about 6.5kHz on portables, 7.5kHz on tuners and car radios. That being said, I prefer the NRSC standard, which rolls off from 10.2kHz. :) That being said, I'll leave the experts to decide-- I have no experience with these radios, so I can't tell you. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bratina501@msn.com Wed Oct 22 21:30:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93579 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 04:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 04:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 04:30:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 04:29:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 04:29:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM stereo station in North Dakota Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 197 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 During a trip across the country I heard an AM stereo station that was not listed. The station was KLXX 1270 Bismark ND which is on the 1985 list of AM stereo stations using the Motorola system. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 21:58:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54353 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 04:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 04:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 04:58:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 04:58:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 04:58:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1305 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" > wrote: > > > The sensitivity and ease of tuning on the 300 is MUCH better than > > the 42, > > > due to the much larger ferrite antenna, and the tuning being much > > smoother. > > > The sound is NOT as good, suffering in the high frequency areas. > > > > ok, then... what would be a good one that at the minimum meets or > > beats AMAX requirements? > > The '42 is AMAX compliant, which is out to about 6.5kHz on portables, > 7.5kHz on tuners and car radios. That being said, I prefer the NRSC > standard, which rolls off from 10.2kHz. :) > > That being said, I'll leave the experts to decide-- I have no > experience with these radios, so I can't tell you. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ In that case.... (also see this http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/message/13403 post which afaik has yet to be replied to) where I ask about good home AM Stereo tuners)... are there any good ones (portable or main home stereo) that have like 3 bandwidth modes, say, on wide, it's NRSC, medium it's AMAX, and narrow it's 5KHz (or 4.5KHz depending on 9/10KHz selector)? From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 23:01:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84327 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 06:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 06:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 06:01:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 06:01:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 06:01:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1151 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.114 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > > In that case.... (also see this > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/message/13403 post which > afaik has yet to be replied to) where I ask about good home AM Stereo > tuners)... are there any good ones (portable or main home stereo) that > have like 3 bandwidth modes, say, on wide, it's NRSC, medium it's > AMAX, and narrow it's 5KHz (or 4.5KHz depending on 9/10KHz selector)? I only know of one commercially-available home tuner currently being manufactured (mostly because I don't know if any are presently available in Japan, and most of the others are home tuners made over the course of the last 20 years, which you can find via eBay, like the TM-152 or the MCS-3050), and that is our own Marv's very own Fanfare FTA-100 (http://www.fanfare.com), but you may not like the preicetag. :) Additionally, our own Chris Cuff might make one for you, or convert one for you. (Yes, he doesn't just do conversions- Ask him about his AMS radios. :) Whether they're as good, I don't know, as I haven't heard one. :( ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 23:30:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48450 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 06:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 06:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 06:30:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 06:30:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 06:30:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1072 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > are there any good ones (portable or main home stereo) that have > like 3 bandwidth modes, say, on wide, it's NRSC, medium it's AMAX, > and narrow it's 5KHz (or 4.5KHz depending on 9/10KHz selector)? I'd recommend a late model (1993+) GM/Delco car radio -- look for one with the manual "Am-St" button. These are fully AMAX compliant, with Expanded Band tuning up to 1710 kHz, noise blanking, and an automatically variable bandwidth that opens up to full bandwidth (at least 9 kHz) on strong AM Stereo signals, and blends down to a medium bandwidth (about 6 kHz) on weaker AM Stereo signals and all mono signals. And, if you manually disengage the "Am-St" button, it switches to a narrow bandwidth, with better selectivity for DXing. I've found that it uses separate contacts on the switch to select the mono/stereo and narrow/wide bandwidth functions, so with a quick wiring modification, you can enable narrow-bandwidth AM Stereo reception, as well. (And on my Delco, it does that if I hold the button in just the right position with my finger, too.) From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 23:58:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22206 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 06:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 06:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 06:58:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 06:58:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 06:58:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1572 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > > > In that case.... (also see this > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/message/13403 post > which > > afaik has yet to be replied to) where I ask about good home AM > Stereo > > tuners)... are there any good ones (portable or main home stereo) > that > > have like 3 bandwidth modes, say, on wide, it's NRSC, medium it's > > AMAX, and narrow it's 5KHz (or 4.5KHz depending on 9/10KHz > selector)? > > I only know of one commercially-available home tuner currently being > manufactured (mostly because I don't know if any are presently > available in Japan, and most of the others are home tuners made over > the course of the last 20 years, which you can find via eBay, like > the TM-152 or the MCS-3050), and that is our own Marv's very own > Fanfare FTA-100 (http://www.fanfare.com), but you may not like the > preicetag. :) > I'm not only looking at new ones... I'd be willing to look at older ones. What ones do you or anyone else know of that are good at a decent price? > Additionally, our own Chris Cuff might make one for you, or convert > one for you. (Yes, he doesn't just do conversions- Ask him about his > AMS radios. :) Whether they're as good, I don't know, as I haven't > heard one. :( ) Ok... what's his cost of converting one? (not including shipping I assume) And, what are some good ones that would make good conversions? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 00:01:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73671 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 07:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 07:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 07:01:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 07:01:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:00:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1369 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > are there any good ones (portable or main home stereo) that have > > like 3 bandwidth modes, say, on wide, it's NRSC, medium it's AMAX, > > and narrow it's 5KHz (or 4.5KHz depending on 9/10KHz selector)? > > I'd recommend a late model (1993+) GM/Delco car radio -- look for one > with the manual "Am-St" button. These are fully AMAX compliant, with > Expanded Band tuning up to 1710 kHz, noise blanking, and an > automatically variable bandwidth that opens up to full bandwidth (at > least 9 kHz) on strong AM Stereo signals, and blends down to a medium > bandwidth (about 6 kHz) on weaker AM Stereo signals and all mono > signals. > > And, if you manually disengage the "Am-St" button, it switches to a > narrow bandwidth, with better selectivity for DXing. I've found that > it uses separate contacts on the switch to select the mono/stereo and > narrow/wide bandwidth functions, so with a quick wiring modification, > you can enable narrow-bandwidth AM Stereo reception, as well. (And > on my Delco, it does that if I hold the button in just the right > position with my finger, too.) I've noticed something like that on my SRF-42. If you put the Mono/ST selector switch in the middle (takes a bit of patient easing/sliding into place) it's a wide-bandwidth mono mode. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 00:31:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75492 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 07:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 07:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 07:31:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 07:31:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:31:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've noticed something like that on my SRF-42. If you put the > Mono/ST selector switch in the middle (takes a bit of patient > easing/sliding into place) it's a wide-bandwidth mono mode. Mine does that as well. Although, switching the SRF-42 to mono mode doesn't shut off its AM Stereo decoder chip; it just blends the audio output to mono. Thus, it still makes those annoying popping and thumping noises as you tune in a station, caused by the AM Stereo decoder's PLL eagerly trying to lock onto the signal, even before you get it "zeroed in" on the station. I think they designed it like this because the PLL also drives the fairly useless "TUN" indicator light, so if they shut off the stereo decoder when switched into mono mode, then the tuning light would be disabled as well. BTW, if you hate how the SRF-42 receives all but the strongest *FM* stations in narrow-response mono, open it up and crush/remove capacitor C14. This disables its FM Stereo "blend" circuit and allows it to receive even the weaker signals in full stereo sound. For a high-res photo of the SRF-42's circuit board, in order to help you locate C14, refer to the file "srf-42.jpg", found in this directory: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/ The photo also shows the modification to use the SRF-42 as an AM Stereo decoder for another radio, by disabling its built-in front end and tapping into its 450 kHz IF input. From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Oct 23 00:47:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63267 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 07:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 07:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 07:47:15 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.157]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 03:49:56 -0400 Message-ID: <007901c39939$c27c0880$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 03:46:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I will add that I now have the Sony SRF42 service manual on a PDF file. I have not uploaded it to the files area yet- hope to today if there is room left. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:31 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 01:42:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87611 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 08:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 08:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 08:42:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 08:42:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:41:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007901c39939$c27c0880$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 510 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I will add that I now have the Sony SRF42 service manual on a PDF file. I > have not uploaded it to the files area yet- hope to today if there is room > left. > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin T. > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:31 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 I've noticed files area is a bit full... could you upload it to ftp.amstereoradio.com ???? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 01:44:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84181 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 08:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 08:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 08:44:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 08:44:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:44:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2076 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I've noticed something like that on my SRF-42. If you put the > > Mono/ST selector switch in the middle (takes a bit of patient > > easing/sliding into place) it's a wide-bandwidth mono mode. > > Mine does that as well. Although, switching the SRF-42 to mono mode > doesn't shut off its AM Stereo decoder chip; it just blends the audio > output to mono. Thus, it still makes those annoying popping and > thumping noises as you tune in a station, caused by the AM Stereo > decoder's PLL eagerly trying to lock onto the signal, even before you > get it "zeroed in" on the station. > > I think they designed it like this because the PLL also drives the > fairly useless "TUN" indicator light, so if they shut off the stereo > decoder when switched into mono mode, then the tuning light would be > disabled as well. > > BTW, if you hate how the SRF-42 receives all but the strongest *FM* > stations in narrow-response mono, open it up and crush/remove > capacitor C14. This disables its FM Stereo "blend" circuit and > allows it to receive even the weaker signals in full stereo sound. > For a high-res photo of the SRF-42's circuit board, in order to help > you locate C14, refer to the file "srf-42.jpg", found in this > directory: Would it help me be able to hear 105.1 KMZT from 32 deg 45 min N, 116 deg 57 min W (estimated) with 105.3 KIOZ close to me, or also hear 103.3 KRUZ or 93.7 KDB which I can sometimes hear on a car radio if I go up on the other side of the hill on which I live on the south/southeast side (and the FM stations I want to hear are north / northwest of me... If so, could I just unsolder it so I don't do it destructively (in case I mess something up and want to restore it to its original condition)? > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/ > > The photo also shows the modification to use the SRF-42 as an > AM Stereo decoder for another radio, by disabling its built-in front > end and tapping into its 450 kHz IF input. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Oct 23 03:26:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3128 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 10:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 10:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 10:26:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 10:26:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:26:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 395 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.20.182 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > I've noticed something like that on my SRF-42. If you put the > > Mono/ST selector switch in the middle (takes a bit of patient > > easing/sliding into place) it's a wide-bandwidth mono mode. > > Mine does that as well. MY does'nt and can't, it's a total myth IMO! I have either am mono or am (forced) stereo From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 04:21:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27278 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 11:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 11:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 11:21:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 11:21:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:21:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007901c39939$c27c0880$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 295 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.114 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I will add that I now have the Sony SRF42 service manual on a PDF file. I > have not uploaded it to the files area yet- hope to today if there is room > left. There is always ftp.amstereoradio.com. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 04:38:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78991 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 11:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 11:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 11:38:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 11:38:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:38:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1734 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.114 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > I'm not only looking at new ones... I'd be willing to look at older > ones. What ones do you or anyone else know of that are good at a > decent price? There aren't too many AMAX-compliant AMS radios out there, other than the SRF-42, the Fanfare FTA-100, and 1993 or later GM/Delco radios, as Kevin T. said. Other than that, I would recommend just about any Sony AMS receiver (though as a rule, forget about FM on Sonys). If you're willing to forgo AMAX and probably much of the Expanded Band, GM/Delco's UX-1 and later-model Radio Shack/Realistic TM-152 make great receivers. And of course, Kevin swears by the JCPenney MCS-3050. In truth, it might be easier to list AMS receivers to AVOID, since most are good receivers. Early-model TM-152 and Sangean's SR-66 often get mentioned amongst these. In most cases, you'll find these floating about eBay. > > Additionally, our own Chris Cuff might make one for you, or convert > > one for you. (Yes, he doesn't just do conversions- Ask him about his > > AMS radios. :) Whether they're as good, I don't know, as I haven't > > heard one. :( ) > > Ok... what's his cost of converting one? (not including shipping I > assume) And, what are some good ones that would make good conversions? Ask him directly. :) There are several criteria for excellent conversions, which I'm sure others would go into detail about- Among them would be already-available stereo audio (such as for FM stereo), room in the box, stable tuning/mixing, and so forth. (There ARE some exceptions to these, as some here have converted mono tube radios to AM stereo, for example.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Oct 23 05:04:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21796 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 12:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 12:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 12:04:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 12:04:08 -0000 Date: 23 Oct 2003 12:04:08 -0000 Message-ID: <1066910648.34020.19203.w39@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /SRF42.pdf Uploaded by : amstereoguy2001 Description : service manual SRF-42 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/SRF42.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, amstereoguy2001 From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Oct 23 05:07:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28424 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 12:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 12:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 12:07:20 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:10:02 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c3995e$38c647c0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:07:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 It will not be a mystery once you see the manual, now in the files section. The switch is a DPTT switch, and you "can" make it interrupt only part of the mono-stereo changeover. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:26 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > > I've noticed something like that on my SRF-42. If you put the > > > Mono/ST selector switch in the middle (takes a bit of patient > > > easing/sliding into place) it's a wide-bandwidth mono mode. > > > > Mine does that as well. > > MY does'nt and can't, it's a total myth IMO! I have either am mono > or am (forced) stereo From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Oct 23 05:09:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28229 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 12:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 12:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 12:09:01 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:11:43 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c3995e$752943c0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:09:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I don't have a password for that, but feel free to transfer it, nor do I have FTP software to transfer files. Feel free to transfer it on over! CC Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie" To: Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:21 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > I will add that I now have the Sony SRF42 service manual on a PDF > file. I > > have not uploaded it to the files area yet- hope to today if there > is room > > left. > > There is always ftp.amstereoradio.com. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Oct 23 06:35:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77508 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 13:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 13:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 13:35:44 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:35:44 -0600 Message-ID: <000c01c3996a$8f938a20$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: RDS Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:35:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kewl! That IS on my end of the state. There are probably only 2 or 3 stations in the whole state with RDS. Of course, that may change with CC recently announcing they're gonna start RDSing all of their stations. CC is big in Cheyenne, Casper, and Laramie. I think those are the only markets in Wyoming infected by the evil empire bug. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: bratina501 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:28 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: RDS The station I got was KFRZ 92.1 Green River during the Persids last August [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Oct 23 07:48:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23227 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 14:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 14:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 14:48:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 14:48:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:48:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-A300 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2413 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I've had further opportunity to test my new A300. I love it, but keep in mind that there is no such thing as a perfect radio. If anyone expects perfection with the A300, it will be guaranteed dissapointment. Pros: nice styling, cool looks, big controls, nice sound [mid fi, not hi-fi], sensitive [especially at the low end of the dial], selective. Cons: has similar "pop and lock" tuning as the SRF-42 [but, with the A300, it is much easier to deal with this due to a superior tuning mechanism], warble around 910 or so khz [reminscent of many 1970s radios - my Tecsun [Grundig] S350 has a similar problem], sensitivity at the top of the dial not so great - very poor at getting WQEW Radio Disney NYC 1560, a station which is virtually a nightime local here in PEI. FM band only goes to 90 Mhz - no problem for me. Using a SAT helps a bit, but the improvement is not as dramatic as using a SAT with a SRF-42. Sound quality wise, the A300 is not as sizzly sounding as the SRF- 42. Keep in mind that AMAX was intended to work with the NRSC standard - they are not different standards. NRSC-2 [I believe its NRSC-2] provides a premphasis curve, followed by a sharp cutoff at 10,200 Hz. As I understood it, AMAX specs were a minimum of 6500 Hz for portables, 7500 for non-portables. I suspect the SRF-42 goes way beyond 6500 Hz when the proper premphasis is used. If I were to venture a guess, I would say that the A300 goes up to about 7000 Hz or so, the SFR-42 up to about 9500 Hz, assuming NRSC-2 premphasis is used. My Heath PT-1 goes up to about 9500 Hz with the NRSC-2 premphasis and its top end is very similar to the SRF-42. In fact, the gradual rolloff used in the PT-1 is very similar to the AMAX standard, with the result that it is essentially flat to 9500 Hz or so, except for a 3 to 4 db bump in the 2000 to 4000 Hz area. Beyond 9500 Hz, the PT-1's aggressive whistle filter takes over. Bottom line, most radio geeks who are not on a tight budget will enjoy the A300 big time. If one is expecting the perfect radio, keep in mind that the A300 is not perfect. For someone on a tight budget, they might be dissapointed in the A300. In my opinion, it makes a very good AM Stereo DX portable for 530 to about 1540. Of course it is always possible that WQEW was having transmitter problems last night and then again early this morning. Phil R. PEI Canada From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 07:57:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53381 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 14:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 14:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 14:57:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 14:57:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:57:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1398 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > (There ARE some exceptions to these, as some here have converted > mono tube radios to AM stereo, for example.) I have successfully added an AM Stereo decoder to my 1950s Hallicrafters S-38C tube radio; with a slight modification, I even got the MC13028 chip to operate in forced-stereo mode, enabling reception of "Shortwave Stereo". Tube radios generally make very good conversions to AM Stereo; you just have to find a suitable voltage to power the decoder -- I took the easy way out and just used a 9-volt transistor radio battery. Next, the IF output of most tube radios is way too powerful for the decoder to use directly; all you really need is an insulated wire to act as an "antenna", placed near the relevant IF coil in the radio. Do NOT use a direct electrical connection, as that will really overload the AM Stereo decoder's IF input. (*) Finally, there is the issue of feeding the decoder's stereo audio output back into the radio, if it has a stereo amplifier; my Hallicrafters is strictly mono, so I just added a headphone jack, through which I can connect it to the Aux input of an external audio amp. (*) If you have a portable Longwave receiver, try connecting the tube radio's IF output to a good outdoor antenna, and see how far you can pick up the signal it generates on 455 kHz. It'll probably be more powerful than a typical "Part 15" transmitter! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 08:06:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23667 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 15:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 15:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 15:05:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 15:05:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:05:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-A300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 736 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > sensitivity at the top of the dial not so great - very poor at > getting WQEW Radio Disney NYC 1560, a station which is virtually a > nightime local here in PEI. My SRF-A300 is very sensitive from the bottom to the top of the dial (530 to 1650 kHz on mine). Perhaps yours could benefit from an IF alignment, if you have the skill to do so, or maybe Chris could help you with that. The FM tuning range can be expanded as well; Chris tweaked my 'A300 so that it tunes up to about 99.5 MHz on FM. BTW, the button next to the power switch is a "Sleep" button, just as found on a typical clock radio -- nice if you do some bedtime DXing and don't want to run down the batteries by leaving it on all night after you doze off. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Oct 23 08:28:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 87802 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 15:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 15:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 15:28:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 15:28:19 -0000 Date: 23 Oct 2003 15:28:17 -0000 Message-ID: <1066922897.1540.15166.w80@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mc13022a.rev1.pdf Uploaded by : n6kuy Description : Datasheet for Motorola MC13022A AM Stereo decoder IC You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mc13022a.rev1.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, n6kuy From mikew@lanl.gov Thu Oct 23 08:31:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikew@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89773 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 15:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 15:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 15:31:52 -0000 Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h9NFVqaJ023970 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:31:52 -0600 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h9NFVpIp001259 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:31:51 -0600 Received: from lanl.gov (romulus.lanl.gov [128.165.209.40]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h9NFVpqs024323 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:31:51 -0600 Message-ID: <3F97F469.4010508@lanl.gov> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:31:53 -0600 Organization: Otowi Medium Wave DXers Club User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030701 X-Accept-Language: en-us, es, en, zh-cn, af, sq, ar, ar-dz, ar-bh, ar-eg, ar-iq, ar-jo, ar-kw, ar-lb, ar-ly, ar-ma, ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye, hy, ast, eu, be, bs, bg, ca, zh, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, hr, cs, da, nl, nl-be, en-au, en-bz, en-ca, en-ie, en-jm, en-nz, en-ph, en-za, en-tt, en-gb, en-zw, eo, et, fo, fi, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch, gl, ka, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, hu, is, id, in, ga, it, it-ch, ja, ko, ko-kp, ko-kr, lv, lt, mk-mk, ms, no, nb, nn, pl, pt, pt-br, ro, ru, gd, sr, sk, sl, sb, es-ar, es-bo, es-cl, es-co, es-cr, es-do, es-ec, es-sv, es-gt, es-hn, es-mx, es-ni, es-pa, es-py, es-pe, es-pr, es-es, es-uy, es-ve, sv, sv-fi, th, tr, uk, vi, cy, xh, yi, zu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum References: <1066922897.1540.15166.w80@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1066922897.1540.15166.w80@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 From: "Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150284724 X-Yahoo-Profile: n6kuy amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Oops, this data sheet was already there, so I have deleted the one I uploaded... > File : /mc13022a.rev1.pdf -- Mike Westfall, N6KUY, WDX6O Los Alamos, New Mexico (DM65uv) My online logbooks are at http://www.gentoo.net/dxlogbook/main.mv?account=mikew From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 09:59:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71305 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 16:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 16:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 16:59:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 16:59:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:59:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c3995e$752943c0$08a8a8c0@Chris1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 534 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.114 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I don't have a password for that, but feel free to transfer it, nor do I > have FTP software to transfer files. Feel free to transfer it on over! Everyone here has the password for the FTP site: Login: amstereo Password: amstereo And if you have Internet Explorer, you have all the basic FTP you need. Under Internet Options > Advanced > Browsing, check the box for enabling "folder view" for FTP sites. FTP transfer works this way. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 11:56:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12667 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 18:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 18:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 18:56:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 18:56:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:56:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 700 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > I don't have a password for that, but feel free to transfer it, nor > do I > > have FTP software to transfer files. Feel free to transfer it on > over! > > Everyone here has the password for the FTP site: > > Login: amstereo > Password: amstereo > > And if you have Internet Explorer, you have all the basic FTP you > need. Under Internet Options > Advanced > Browsing, check the box for > enabling "folder view" for FTP sites. FTP transfer works this way. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/SRF42_ServiceManual.pdf From stodd@vippn.com Thu Oct 23 13:58:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81352 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 20:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 20:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 20:58:55 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c399a9$32f8e140$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGHO 920 in mono Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:58:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Don't just gripe here- let them know you've noticed. Maybe it'll persuade them to reinstall the stereo generator (unless they did something foolish like buying an Orban 9200 processor- mono only.) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "bratina501" > I just took a look at their web site no they do not have an e mail > address. I found something that might explain why they are not in > stereo they moved to a new tower and might have not moved their > exciter as well which would have really helped their sound. I am > personaly very disappointed they are not in stereo since they have > better coverage from their new tower then they did from their old > one. From stodd@vippn.com Thu Oct 23 13:58:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81439 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 20:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 20:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 20:58:57 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c399a9$33fc4780$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives! Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:04:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Right now you have two choices- add a conversion board on a lower priced mono unit or spend the bucks for a Fanfare FTA-100. I've never known home stereos to have variable BW. That's only on the portables market, and usually only if the radio has shortwave. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" > > In that case.... (also see this > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/message/13403 post which > afaik has yet to be replied to) where I ask about good home AM Stereo > tuners)... are there any good ones (portable or main home stereo) that > have like 3 bandwidth modes, say, on wide, it's NRSC, medium it's > AMAX, and narrow it's 5KHz (or 4.5KHz depending on 9/10KHz selector)? From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Oct 23 14:01:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50569 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 21:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 21:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 21:01:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.117] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 21:01:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:01:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo recording of 1593 from Ireland Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 171 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.26.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Here's over an hour's worth of the pirate station from Ireland recorded locally on a Sony ST-JX220a in wideband mode ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/1593 _local.mp3 From stodd@vippn.com Thu Oct 23 14:14:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46520 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 21:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 21:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 21:14:44 -0000 Message-ID: <004e01c399ab$69ee7b40$827dfea9@home1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:19:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No- the 42 is not a DX monster. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pianoplayer88key" To: Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:44 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > I've noticed something like that on my SRF-42. If you put the > > > Mono/ST selector switch in the middle (takes a bit of patient > > > easing/sliding into place) it's a wide-bandwidth mono mode. > > > > Mine does that as well. Although, switching the SRF-42 to mono mode > > doesn't shut off its AM Stereo decoder chip; it just blends the audio > > output to mono. Thus, it still makes those annoying popping and > > thumping noises as you tune in a station, caused by the AM Stereo > > decoder's PLL eagerly trying to lock onto the signal, even before you > > get it "zeroed in" on the station. > > > > I think they designed it like this because the PLL also drives the > > fairly useless "TUN" indicator light, so if they shut off the stereo > > decoder when switched into mono mode, then the tuning light would be > > disabled as well. > > > > BTW, if you hate how the SRF-42 receives all but the strongest *FM* > > stations in narrow-response mono, open it up and crush/remove > > capacitor C14. This disables its FM Stereo "blend" circuit and > > allows it to receive even the weaker signals in full stereo sound. > > For a high-res photo of the SRF-42's circuit board, in order to help > > you locate C14, refer to the file "srf-42.jpg", found in this > > directory: > > Would it help me be able to hear 105.1 KMZT from 32 deg 45 min N, 116 > deg 57 min W (estimated) with 105.3 KIOZ close to me, or also hear > 103.3 KRUZ or 93.7 KDB which I can sometimes hear on a car radio if I > go up on the other side of the hill on which I live on the > south/southeast side (and the FM stations I want to hear are north / > northwest of me... > If so, could I just unsolder it so I don't do it destructively (in > case I mess something up and want to restore it to its original > condition)? > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/ > > > > The photo also shows the modification to use the SRF-42 as an > > AM Stereo decoder for another radio, by disabling its built-in front > > end and tapping into its 450 kHz IF input. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From stodd@vippn.com Thu Oct 23 14:19:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@vippn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94997 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 21:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 21:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vippnmail.vippn.com) (204.2.35.12) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 21:19:45 -0000 Message-ID: <005401c399ac$1d7f1c00$827dfea9@home1> To: References: <001501c399a9$33fc4780$827dfea9@home1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives! Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:24:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153517143 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I should add that any of the classic Technics, Kenwood, Sansui, etc. tuners from the 70s and early 80s make good conversions, by and large. I did one on a Sansui 5050 and did it turn out nice! The only thing about that tuner is it goes deaf real fast at the bottom of the band. I spent more time and money modifying it for the stereo indicator than I did anything else. Details in this site's files section. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" > Right now you have two choices- add a conversion board on a lower priced > mono unit or spend the bucks for a Fanfare FTA-100. From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 14:29:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48829 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 21:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 21:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 21:29:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20031023212910.57485.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:29:10 PDT Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo recording of 1593 from Ireland To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Wont download! --- Dave wrote: > Here's over an hour's worth of the pirate station > from Ireland > recorded locally on a Sony ST-JX220a in wideband > mode > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/1593 _local.mp3 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 14:50:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35046 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 21:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 21:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 21:50:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 21:50:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:50:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c399a9$33fc4780$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1068 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Is there a "fanfare lite" or anything like that? I don't want to spend more than $100-$150 (200 tops) on a tuner. (If used, it has to be a very high quality one in excellent condition, otherwise I'm limited to 75-125 tops) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > Right now you have two choices- add a conversion board on a lower priced > mono unit or spend the bucks for a Fanfare FTA-100. I've never known home > stereos to have variable BW. That's only on the portables market, and > usually only if the radio has shortwave. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > > > > > In that case.... (also see this > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/message/13403 post which > > afaik has yet to be replied to) where I ask about good home AM Stereo > > tuners)... are there any good ones (portable or main home stereo) that > > have like 3 bandwidth modes, say, on wide, it's NRSC, medium it's > > AMAX, and narrow it's 5KHz (or 4.5KHz depending on 9/10KHz selector)? From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 14:53:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40045 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 21:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 21:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 21:53:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 21:53:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:53:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004e01c399ab$69ee7b40$827dfea9@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3052 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Ok... then what would be a good tuner with FM that would be capable of 120-mile or more DX on a daily basis with the built-in antenna, adjacent channel to strong locals? If it doesn't perform well on ALL bands, I don't want the poorer-performing bands included. For example, the SRF-42 should have been an AM-only radio. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Todd" wrote: > No- the 42 is not a DX monster. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pianoplayer88key" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:44 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > > I've noticed something like that on my SRF-42. If you put the > > > > Mono/ST selector switch in the middle (takes a bit of patient > > > > easing/sliding into place) it's a wide-bandwidth mono mode. > > > > > > Mine does that as well. Although, switching the SRF-42 to mono mode > > > doesn't shut off its AM Stereo decoder chip; it just blends the audio > > > output to mono. Thus, it still makes those annoying popping and > > > thumping noises as you tune in a station, caused by the AM Stereo > > > decoder's PLL eagerly trying to lock onto the signal, even before you > > > get it "zeroed in" on the station. > > > > > > I think they designed it like this because the PLL also drives the > > > fairly useless "TUN" indicator light, so if they shut off the stereo > > > decoder when switched into mono mode, then the tuning light would be > > > disabled as well. > > > > > > BTW, if you hate how the SRF-42 receives all but the strongest *FM* > > > stations in narrow-response mono, open it up and crush/remove > > > capacitor C14. This disables its FM Stereo "blend" circuit and > > > allows it to receive even the weaker signals in full stereo sound. > > > For a high-res photo of the SRF-42's circuit board, in order to help > > > you locate C14, refer to the file "srf-42.jpg", found in this > > > directory: > > > > Would it help me be able to hear 105.1 KMZT from 32 deg 45 min N, 116 > > deg 57 min W (estimated) with 105.3 KIOZ close to me, or also hear > > 103.3 KRUZ or 93.7 KDB which I can sometimes hear on a car radio if I > > go up on the other side of the hill on which I live on the > > south/southeast side (and the FM stations I want to hear are north / > > northwest of me... > > If so, could I just unsolder it so I don't do it destructively (in > > case I mess something up and want to restore it to its original > > condition)? > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/ > > > > > > The photo also shows the modification to use the SRF-42 as an > > > AM Stereo decoder for another radio, by disabling its built-in front > > > end and tapping into its 450 kHz IF input. > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 15:05:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56830 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 22:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 22:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41214.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 22:05:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20031023220507.43543.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:05:07 PDT Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't think so The price is only inflated due to lack of recievers and supply and demand.its like mp3 players,CD Writers etc they used to be astronomical in price until lots were made and available everywhere.Unless there is a revival of AMS then the price will remain extreme until more are available. Michael pianoplayer88key wrote: Is there a "fanfare lite" or anything like that? I don't want to spend more than $100-$150 (200 tops) on a tuner. (If used, it has to be a very high quality one in excellent condition, otherwise I'm limited to 75-125 tops) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Oct 23 15:06:41 2003 X-Deleted-Message: yes From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Oct 23 15:07:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9462 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 22:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 22:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 22:07:51 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.185]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:10:34 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c399b1$fb7adc60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:06:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Know what you want?- A Kloss Tivoli PAL radio- with a decoder for am stereo. Fine FM, Very good AM, portable. Not very expensive. I love mine. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: pianoplayer88key To: Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 > Ok... then what would be a good tuner with FM that would be capable of > 120-mile or more DX From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Oct 23 15:09:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76513 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 22:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 22:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 22:09:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 22:09:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:09:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo recording of 1593 from Ireland Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031023212910.57485.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 197 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.26.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Wont download! > JUst checked it's there until Amy moves it! you probably did'nt copy and paste the last part From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 15:13:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46024 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 22:13:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 22:13:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.34) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 22:13:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20031023221314.28443.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:13:14 PDT Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo recording of 1593 from Ireland To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Thanks Dave Its going now the "F" in FTP was missing OIts a 62 meg file so I am using netvampire to D/L it. Michael --- Dave wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and > Ross > wrote: > > Wont download! > > > > > > It's there the last part of the link you'll have to > copy and paste > at the end or try:- > > http://tinyurl.com/s4cy > > ===== Michael&Ross __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Oct 23 15:26:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72929 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 22:26:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 22:26:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 22:26:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 22:26:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:26:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo recording of 1593 from Ireland Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031023221314.28443.qmail@web41201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 762 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.26.88 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Thanks Dave Its going now the "F" in FTP was missing Whoops sorry about that > OIts a 62 meg file so I am using netvampire to D/L it. Dial up I'm afriad will take 4hrs plus :-( > Michael > --- Dave wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and > > Ross > > wrote: > > > Wont download! > > > > > > > > > > It's there the last part of the link you'll have to > > copy and paste > > at the end or try:- > > > > http://tinyurl.com/s4cy > > > > > > > ===== > Michael&Ross > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Oct 23 15:26:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98671 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 22:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 22:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 22:26:47 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.185]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:29:30 -0400 Message-ID: <004d01c399b4$a0a2e960$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: conversions and decoders Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:25:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I am once again making decoders along with the transmitters now. I still cannot do individual conversions- there just isn't time. As far as tube receivers go, they can be outstanding- as Kevin said, you do not make a direct connection to the IF circuit- a "Gimmick" connection is great- a turn of insulated wire around the last IF tube's plate, BEFORE the detector is good. (The bandwidth will be WIDE- for narrow, a filter can be added) For the power to the decoder, if it is a transformer powered tuner, just come off the 6.3 volt filament supply thru a full wave bridge, a 2200 Uf filter cap, and thats it. The decoder has it's own regulator, so anything from 5 to 28 volts supply is fine. CC From bratina501@msn.com Thu Oct 23 16:09:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50232 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 23:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 23:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 23:09:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 23:09:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:09:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 950 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > Would it help me be able to hear 105.1 KMZT from 32 deg 45 min N, 116 > deg 57 min W (estimated) with 105.3 KIOZ close to me, or also hear > 103.3 KRUZ or 93.7 KDB which I can sometimes hear on a car radio if I > go up on the other side of the hill on which I live on the > south/southeast side (and the FM stations I want to hear are north / > northwest of me... > If so, could I just unsolder it so I don't do it destructively (in > case I mess something up and want to restore it to its original > condition)? > > > Yes it would I tried the modification myself at first all I could get in stereo was KMNT 102.9 a country station from Centralia and KXXO 96.1 a station from Olympia whose signal really gets out and every other station was in mono. After removing the C14 capacitor I got every station in my area in stereo regardless of the signal strength. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 16:22:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34045 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 23:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 23:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 23:22:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 23:22:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:22:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo recording of 1593 from Ireland Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031023212910.57485.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 297 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Wont download! The file name had a blank space character in it, which many web browsers don't like (unless you manually change it to the hex code "%20"). I renamed the file to remove the space, so now the link should work for everybody: ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/1593_local.mp3 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 16:29:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8461 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 23:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 23:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 23:29:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 23:29:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:29:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF-A300 sensitivity Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics On second thought, nighttime skywave reception does seem to be worse than normal lately (supposedly due to recent auroral activity), with local stations coming in more clearly and distant stations being much harder to receive consistently. So, before accusing your new SRF-A300 of having poor sensitivity at the top of the band, I'd first check how well it performs during the daytime, in which case atmospheric conditions don't affect groundwave reception that much. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 16:38:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15361 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 23:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 23:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 23:38:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 23:38:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:38:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: What's up with Salem? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 710 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Within the past week or so, Salem's two New York City-area Christian stations, 570 WMCA and 970 WWDJ, have both reduced their audio bandwidth down to 5 kHz. I wonder if this a foreshadowing of them planning to use IBOC, or if they just decided that since neither station plays any music anymore, a 5 kHz bandwidth is sufficient for their talk programming. Currently, 710 WOR continues to be the only AM station in the Northeast broadcasting IBOC, as 860 WWDB, 930 WPAT, and 1480 WZRC have all shut it off. However, Beasley claims that they will be going full speed ahead with IBOC, installing it at WQAM, WSBR, and WWNN in the Miami area, and apparently resuming its use at WWDB in Philadelphia. From bratina501@msn.com Thu Oct 23 16:40:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59007 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 23:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 23:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 23:40:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2003 23:40:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:40:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF-A300 sensitivity Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 736 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > On second thought, nighttime skywave reception does seem to be worse > than normal lately (supposedly due to recent auroral activity), with > local stations coming in more clearly and distant stations being much > harder to receive consistently. So, before accusing your new > SRF-A300 of having poor sensitivity at the top of the band, I'd first > check how well it performs during the daytime, in which case > atmospheric conditions don't affect groundwave reception that much. In the case of FM it is the exact opposite you get better reception during periods of auroral activity but the signals are distorted and always come from the north. From dav259@csiro.au Thu Oct 23 16:52:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44758 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 23:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2003 23:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 23:52:41 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9NNqcBV006723 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:52:39 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:52:37 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112635033 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > In truth, it might be easier to list AMS receivers to AVOID, since > most are good receivers. Early-model TM-152 and Sangean's SR-66 often > get mentioned amongst these. The two SR-66s I had were great soundwise and weightwise - but both often momentarily dropped back to mono when in transit. It was annoying. The SRF-42 has never done this. I also wouldn't want to set any knob in a middle position that it's not intended to go in. I like to preserve my SRF-42s for as long as possible. Ian From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 17:11:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17816 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 00:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 00:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 00:11:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 00:11:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:11:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo recording of 1593 from Ireland Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031023212910.57485.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 605 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > Wont download! > > > --- Dave wrote: > > Here's over an hour's worth of the pirate station > > from Ireland > > recorded locally on a Sony ST-JX220a in wideband > > mode > > > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/1593 _local.mp3 Delete the space between "1594" and "locazl.mp3", or do as I did, and just go to ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/ , select 1593_local.mp3 (warning! LARGE file! It's 60 megs) and select "save to disk", and once it's done downloading, enjoy. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Oct 23 17:16:25 2003 X-Deleted-Message: yes From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Oct 23 17:18:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87851 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 00:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 00:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 00:18:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 00:18:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:18:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo recording of 1593 from Ireland Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 788 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.24.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross > wrote: > > Wont download! > > > > > > --- Dave wrote: > > > Here's over an hour's worth of the pirate station > > > from Ireland > > > recorded locally on a Sony ST-JX220a in wideband > > > mode > > > > > > ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/1593 _local.mp3 > > Delete the space between "1594" and "locazl.mp3", or do as I did, and > just go to ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/ , select > 1593_local.mp3 (warning! LARGE file! It's 60 megs) and select "save > to disk", and once it's done downloading, enjoy. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Perhaps someone can comment on the sound! Now there's am idea ;-) From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 17:18:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97809 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 00:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 00:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 00:18:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 00:18:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:18:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo recording of 1593 from Ireland Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 436 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross > wrote: > > Wont download! > > > > JUst checked it's there until Amy moves it! you probably did'nt copy > and paste the last part I have nothing to do with the ftp.amstereoradio.com site-- That's Matt Trim & Michael J. Richards' site. I'm just here. That's all. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Oct 23 17:20:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28120 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 00:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 00:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 00:20:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 00:20:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:20:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo recording of 1593 from Ireland Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 583 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 81.7.24.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross > > wrote: > > > Wont download! > > > > > > > JUst checked it's there until Amy moves it! you probably did'nt > copy > > and paste the last part > > I have nothing to do with the ftp.amstereoradio.com site-- That's > Matt Trim & Michael J. Richards' site. > > I'm just here. That's all. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Sorry, can you reply to my email btw ? From sub07@pretentiousbastard.com Thu Oct 23 18:17:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub07@pretentiousbastard.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66193 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 01:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 01:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 01:17:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 01:17:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:17:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Spare parts (was Re: Sony SRF-42) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007901c39939$c27c0880$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 336 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Robert Sillett" X-Originating-IP: 209.195.176.173 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149947959 X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett Thanks for uploading the service manual! Does anyone on the list know if any of these parts for the SRF-42 can be ordered. And if so, where/how? Or is the SRF-42 too old to get spare parts? I have an SRF-42 that's seen better days. The battery cover is broken and so is the little, red, plastic tuning indicator. Thanks! Bob From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 20:50:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63713 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 03:50:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 03:50:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 03:50:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 03:50:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:50:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Strong Geomagnetic Storm Forecasted Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 461 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I'm not sure if this will negatively or positively affect radio DXing, but it's noteworthy nonetheless: > Strong Geomagnetic Storm Forecasted > > NOAA is forecasting a strong solar storm to hit earth > tomorrow (Fri 10/24). NOAA scientists say the solar > activity developed rapidly over the past few days and is now > one of the largest sunspot clusters to emerge in quite some > time. They say the sunspot cluster is about 10X the size of > earth. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 21:03:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80569 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 04:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 04:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 04:03:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 04:03:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:03:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Strong Geomagnetic Storm Forecasted Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 320 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > I'm not sure if this will negatively or positively affect radio > DXing, but it's noteworthy nonetheless: Geomagnetic disturbances tend to be detrimental to AM and SW, but often good for sporadic-E skip for FM broadcast. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bratina501@msn.com Thu Oct 23 21:49:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86441 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 04:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 04:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 04:49:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 04:49:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:49:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Strong Geomagnetic Storm Forecasted Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 589 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bratina501" X-Originating-IP: 198.68.56.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434 X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > I'm not sure if this will negatively or positively affect radio > > DXing, but it's noteworthy nonetheless: > > > Geomagnetic disturbances tend to be detrimental to AM and SW, but > often good for sporadic-E skip for FM broadcast. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Or geomagnetic disturbances can cause auroras and affect FM reception in another way but the signals scattered from auroras are very bassy, distorted and hard to identify. From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 22:06:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98450 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 05:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 05:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 05:06:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.121] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 05:06:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:06:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Strong Geomagnetic Storm Forecasted Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 746 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > wrote: > > I'm not sure if this will negatively or positively affect radio > > DXing, but it's noteworthy nonetheless: > > > Geomagnetic disturbances tend to be detrimental to AM and SW, but > often good for sporadic-E skip for FM broadcast. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ I noticed several months ago that I was able to hear some cable tv network or something on 103.3FM on my portable with the sensitivity selector set BETWEEN local & dx (it didn't work otherwise). I think they kept mentioning Tenessee or something like that, and I forget now what the network / station / whatever / programming was. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 22:30:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81988 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 05:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 05:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 05:30:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 05:30:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:30:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Strong Geomagnetic Storm Forecasted Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 805 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bratina501" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." > > wrote: > > > I'm not sure if this will negatively or positively affect radio > > > DXing, but it's noteworthy nonetheless: > > > > > > Geomagnetic disturbances tend to be detrimental to AM and SW, but > > often good for sporadic-E skip for FM broadcast. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > Or geomagnetic disturbances can cause auroras and affect FM > reception in another way but the signals scattered from auroras are > very bassy, distorted and hard to identify. Yes, but the FM/VHF/UHF DX is phenomenal. :) Some hams even do auroral DX catches. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Oct 23 23:18:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24916 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 06:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 06:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fed1mtao08.cox.net) (68.6.19.123) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 06:18:44 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.225.10.3]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031024061839.LDHT8740.fed1mtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:18:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:18:50 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives! Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001501c399a9$33fc4780$827dfea9@home1> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) From: Richard Wagoner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Carver TX11a and b, as well as the Denon TU680NAB had variable=20 bandwidth. So did the old tube Fishers... On Thursday, October 23, 2003, at 02:04 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > Right now you have two choices- add a conversion board on a lower=20 > priced > mono unit or spend the bucks for a Fanfare FTA-100.=A0 I've never known=20 > home > stereos to have variable BW.=A0 That's only on the portables market, and > usually only if the radio has shortwave. > > ST > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 00:12:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59234 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 07:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 07:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 07:12:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 07:12:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:12:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Lives! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 879 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The Carver TX11a and b, as well as the Denon TU680NAB had variable > bandwidth. So did the old tube Fishers... All the way back in the '30s, some radios offered a continuously variable "Selectivity" control, which allowed the listener to dial in as wide or as narrow of a bandwidth as they desired. I also remember the late '50s RCA Victor Audiola ALA-10S AM/shortwave tuner that my friend had, which came with a matching Victrola stereo phonograph in a big wooden box -- surely one of the first types of stereo record players ever made. In addition to a "magic tuning eye" and a graphical equalizer (which showed the audio response curve on a lighted display, bending up or down as you adjusted the Bass and Treble controls), it offered a "Hi-Fi" mode on AM, which opened it up to a wide bandwidth, even though the standard bandwidth already sounded very good. From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 24 00:20:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64407 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 07:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 07:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 07:20:33 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.187]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:22:55 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c399ff$2413e660$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Spare parts (was Re: Sony SRF-42) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:19:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Being an authorized Sony repair center, if they still have stock, I can order any part. I also have a few parts from a couple of smashed ones I got from Nobody beats the wiz when they folded. (no battery covers, tho) cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Sillett To: Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:17 PM Subject: {AMSF} Spare parts (was Re: Sony SRF-42) > Thanks for uploading the service manual! > > Does anyone on the list know if any of these parts for the SRF-42 > can be ordered. And if so, where/how? Or is the SRF-42 too old to > get spare parts? From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 24 00:30:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79295 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 07:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 07:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 07:30:14 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.187]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:32:58 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01c39a00$8b923c00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A300 sensitivity Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:29:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Here, too- I am getting virtually nothing above 1540 the past few days- WQEW is way down, and I am only 80 miles away from them. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:29 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A300 sensitivity > On second thought, nighttime skywave reception does seem to be worse > than normal lately From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 24 00:32:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28637 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 07:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 07:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 07:32:33 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.187]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:35:17 -0400 Message-ID: <004a01c39a00$de4d6f00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives! Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:31:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 This was the nightmare Motorola had on their hands with the MC13024. Some companies used the forced stereo mode to overcome this, such as Aiwa in their CSD8 AM Stereo only walkman. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:52 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives! > > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Amy Mousie wrote: > > > In truth, it might be easier to list AMS receivers to AVOID, since > > most are good receivers. Early-model TM-152 and Sangean's SR-66 often > > get mentioned amongst these. > > > The two SR-66s I had were great soundwise and weightwise - but both often > momentarily dropped back to mono when in transit. It was annoying. > > The SRF-42 has never done this. From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 24 00:37:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92331 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 07:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 07:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 07:37:23 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [216.221.137.187]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:40:07 -0400 Message-ID: <007201c39a01$8b3a3b80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:36:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I just did it to mine, (removed the C14 chip cap) and it worked great- But AM still sounds better than FM- A perfect demo radio! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: bratina501 To: > > If so, could I just unsolder it so I don't do it destructively (in > > case I mess something up and want to restore it to its original > > condition)? > > From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Fri Oct 24 00:52:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17846 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 07:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 07:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.175) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 07:52:07 -0000 Received: from user-769.wfd20.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.115.1] helo=philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ACwjt-0006Ef-Rk for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:52:05 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:50:39 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WTB: Denon TU680NAB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-eGroups-From: Philip de Cadenet From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: transmitter_man I'd like to find one of the above tuners. If anyone knows of one for sale, alive or dead, I should like to contact the seller. I keep an eye on ePay but nothing to date. Thanks. -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 01:15:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23051 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 08:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 08:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 08:12:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20031024081211.85176.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:12:11 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT Dxing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007201c39a01$8b3a3b80$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since theres a bit about Dxing I just been outside(Had the radio on a fence) Its been dark in Auckland NZ for about 90 mins and getting classical music on 690 and found out its CBC Radio 690 Vancouver! Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 01:41:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77858 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 08:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 08:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 08:41:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 08:41:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:41:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT Dxing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031024081211.85176.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 427 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > > Since theres a bit about Dxing I just been outside(Had the radio on a fence) Its been dark in Auckland NZ for about 90 mins and getting classical music on 690 and found out its CBC Radio 690 Vancouver! I'm about 600 miles south of Vancouver, BC, and I can get (weakly) CBC 1 in the daytime without anything special. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 02:04:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88123 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 09:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 09:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 09:04:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20031024090418.73645.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:04:18 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Dxing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was some classical music coming and going every 10 secs or so then heard them mention Nova Scotia and heard them say about something from the USA and about 1/2 hr ago it sounded like a different language from English I could hear some pop music(Up by Shania Twain about 1/2hr ago) in the mix so it could be disney Honolulu. 693 from Melbourne hasnt started to come in yet .The mossies were there too and its getting cooler so I'm indoors now.The signal has been faint even inside the house but intermittent evey few mins it is audible. Michael Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > > Since theres a bit about Dxing I just been outside(Had the radio on a fence) Its been dark in Auckland NZ for about 90 mins and getting classical music on 690 and found out its CBC Radio 690 Vancouver! I'm about 600 miles south of Vancouver, BC, and I can get (weakly) CBC 1 in the daytime without anything special. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 03:20:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10456 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 10:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 10:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 10:20:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 10:20:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:20:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT Dxing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031024081211.85176.qmail@web41209.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 863 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key WOW!! What kind of radio was it? I can't get that from where I am And was it any kind of a setup like this?: http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/panasonic_fence_attempt_dx.jpg I should mention, though, that I have a local 50kW (77kW days) X-Tra (XETRA Tijuana Baja California Mexico) Sports 690 fairly close to me which gives me fairly strong & clear groundwave coverage. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross wrote: > > > Since theres a bit about Dxing I just been outside(Had the radio on a fence) Its been dark in Auckland NZ for about 90 mins and getting classical music on 690 and found out its CBC Radio 690 Vancouver! > > > > Michael > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 05:33:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55365 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 12:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 12:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 12:33:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20031024123338.83899.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:33:38 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Why RDS is HD is on the horizon? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From Radio World: "Calling it the largest rollout of RDS in the United States, Clear Channel Radio says it will install the radio data technology on 192 of its FM stations in the top 50 markets by the end of November. " This begs two questions: aren't there a whole lot more radios with AM Stereo capability on the road than there is RDS? And number 2: why are they spending any energy on RDS if they are going to use IBOC/HD, as I believe that they'll not be able to use the RDS subcarrier with IBOC/HD? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Fri Oct 24 07:05:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3575 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 14:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 14:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 14:05:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 14:05:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:05:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Tivoli PAL questions (lots of them) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1502 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.38.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello Chris, What are your impressions of the PAL's construction and performance? Does it use a tuning capacitor or varactors? FM: How many tuned RF stages? How many IF stages are used in the FM? One, two, three? Do you know what IF filters are being used? How is the selectivity and how does the built in AFC affect it? How is the "overloading" performance for FM? Do strong, local stations produce mixing products all over the FM dial? How is the dial accuracy? Does the PAL utilize the Philips chip for the FM front end or does it use discrete components as advertised? The Philips chip uses balanced mixers for FM and AM and I'm wondering how the PAL might improve on that. AM: How many tuned RF stages? With the antenna mod, how is the sensitivity on the band exteremes (530, 1700)? Is there any obvious attempt to alter the AM sound, aggressively roll off upper frequncies, for example. What is used for the IF filter? Ceramic filters? What is the bandwidth? How is the dial accuracy? AM Stereo conversion: Is it pretty straightforward? If one has the CC decoder are there any additional parts needed other than wire? :-) Audio: My big gripe: Does the PAL have a "constant hiss" problem when using headphones? That is, even though the volume control is at minimum volume is a "constant hiss" heard? I might just go out and purchase this radio today and answer my own questions. A local store supposedly has the black version in stock. Best regards, Paul Bigelow From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Fri Oct 24 07:07:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43397 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 14:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 14:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 14:07:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 14:07:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:07:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Why RDS is HD is on the horizon? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031024123338.83899.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 867 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.38.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, In Austin KASE 100.7 surprised me by suddenly having RDS. I'm keeping my eye open. Best regards, Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > From Radio World: "Calling it the largest rollout of RDS in the United States, > Clear Channel Radio says it will install the radio data technology on 192 of > its FM stations in the top 50 markets by the end of November. " > > This begs two questions: aren't there a whole lot more radios with AM Stereo > capability on the road than there is RDS? And number 2: why are they spending > any energy on RDS if they are going to use IBOC/HD, as I believe that they'll > not be able to use the RDS subcarrier with IBOC/HD? > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Oct 24 07:14:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4002 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 14:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 14:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 14:14:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 14:13:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:13:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A300 sensitivity Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003c01c39a00$8b923c00$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3584 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking You guys hit it right on the head! Last night I tried some other radios, and it was almost as if WQEW was off the air. On the Sony ICF-SW77, which is the hottest thing I own for MW, I could just barely get WQEW - normally this Mickey Mouse broadcaster on 1560 comes in like a local at night. WPTR on 1540 and WWKB on 1520 were not nearly as reliable as they usually are. WTTM was gone, normally they hold down the 1680 spot very nicely here in PEI at night. The low end of the dial seems unaffected. On the SRF-A300, I picked up the Turk and Caicos station on 530, then duplicated this catch on the 77. Even my wife that that was pretty cool. 1420 CKDY, a 1 kw member of the AVR stations, was coming in unusually well without the usual skywave competition. Normally CKDY is a textbook example of daytime e.g. groundwave DX at my location. Now, if only CJCH would get its CQUAM back on - I was listening to them in the car on my way to work this morning as Brian Phillips was playing their pop standards / oldies mix [a way to make pop standards work in Canada, e.g. meeting CanCon] enjoying the break from spattery, distorted, overcompressed "Lite Rock" drivel on FM. I'd like to take Brittney, Christia, Justin, all the American and Canadian idols and all these other 90s and 200X "pop" artists and banish them to an island somewhere where they could happily frollick without having to hear them. Today's music is so bad that even disco is a real treat. But my favourite era is 80s music. I'm very pleased with the Sony SRF-A300. But, there is no such thing as a perfect radio. As you get closer to perfection, the price tag jumps astronomically. The Fanfare tuners are pricey because they are darn good, and are also not a mass market item. My "gold standard" for MW sensitivity and selectivity is my ICF- SW77, my gold standard for MW audio fidelity is my Heath PT-1 [the PT-1 is also my gold standard for FM sensitivity - yes, with its 16 tubes it CAN reliably and regularly DX FM at 120 miles with a simple external antenna, mounted reasonably high. My ultimate radio is really about 4 or 5 radios. I suppose a Collins R390 with one of Chris's decoder boards would be my ultimate SW radio - not that I have one - but at 100 or so pounds, and the prices these rigs fetch, not exactly portable. Put it on a cart with wheels and that might help!!! BTW, the Heath/Heathkit PT-1s and equivelent Heath 16 tube models [AJ-30 for example] can often be found on eBay at good prices - while tube amps have hit the stratosphere price wise, tube tuners haven't reached there yet. They will in a few years I'm sure. Get one now while you can afford it. The moral of the story, you can't have perfection, especially on a budget. But you can have a lot of fun getting a small fleet of good radios which each do their "thing" pretty well. And yes, except for top end response, the A300 is a lot better than a SRF-42. But, the audio response on the '42' is pretty darn amazing! My rant for the day... Phil R. PEI Canada --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Here, too- I am getting virtually nothing above 1540 the past few days- WQEW > is way down, and I am only 80 miles away from them. > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin T. > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:29 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A300 sensitivity > > > > On second thought, nighttime skywave reception does seem to be worse > > than normal lately From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Oct 24 07:45:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39182 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 14:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 14:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 14:45:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 14:45:43 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77581 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 13:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 13:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 13:25:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 13:24:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:24:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Spare parts (was Re: Sony SRF-42) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001801c399ff$2413e660$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 511 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.239 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Oct 2003 14:45:43 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Being an authorized Sony repair center, if they still have stock, I can > order any part. I also have a few parts from a couple of smashed ones I got > from Nobody beats the wiz when they folded. (no battery covers, tho) > cc There might be other models that use the same battery cover. I have a different model of Sony Walkman that has a battery cover that looks the same as the one pictured in the service manual you posted. John From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Oct 24 07:45:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32950 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 14:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 14:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 14:45:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 14:45:29 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61714 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 13:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 13:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 13:18:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 13:16:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:16:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Lives! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.239 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Oct 2003 14:45:26 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > The Carver TX11a and b, as well as the Denon TU680NAB had variable > bandwidth. So did the old tube Fishers... And don't forget the old tube H.H. Scotts, Heathkits, and many others that also had variable bandwidth. Variable bandwidth used to be a pretty standard feature on sets with any pretense of being Hi-Fi. John From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 07:55:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94599 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 14:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 14:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 14:55:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 14:54:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:54:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What's up with Salem? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 580 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bossmsx2" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > since neither > station plays any music anymore What is WWDJ doing now, Kevin? I always thought they were quite successful as a Contemporary Christian Music station. > Beasley claims that they will be > going full speed ahead with IBOC, installing it at WQAM Not too sure about that....The 'whizzing' noise that was present on WQAM when tuned in "Stereo" mode on my SRF-A100 has been mysteriously absent this morning while I was listening to the "Jorge Rodriguez Show" on QAM... --Tony Simon From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 24 08:24:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82063 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 15:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 15:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.corp.in4web.com) (64.72.67.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 15:24:18 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.corp.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 2.1.268) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:27:02 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c39a42$e6b22720$08a8a8c0@Chris1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tivoli PAL questions (lots of them) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:24:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The short answer, for now, is to buy one- you won't regret it. I will answer more stuff later. And yes, my decoder is a no brainer fit. No mods needed. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: "pabigelow" From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Oct 24 08:28:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97348 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 15:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 15:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 15:28:07 -0000 Received: from AM (unverified [209.193.77.138]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:28:07 -0600 Message-ID: <001e01c39a43$6d1d9f10$5401010a@AM> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:28:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KEWL! I'm gonna try this with my SRF-42 as well. Our local FM here is 27kw way up high on a mountain peak and yet still I notice when walking around it'll blend from stereo to mono on and off. Good to hear there is something that can be done about this. I always hated this part about the FM on my SRF-42! Thanks guys! Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: bratina501 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 After removing the C14 capacitor I got every station in my area in stereo regardless of the signal strength. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Oct 24 08:45:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77874 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 15:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 15:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 15:44:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 15:44:25 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59086 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 15:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 15:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 15:05:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 15:03:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:03:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Why RDS is HD is on the horizon? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031024123338.83899.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 812 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Oct 2003 15:44:23 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > From Radio World: "Calling it the largest rollout of RDS in the > United States, Clear Channel Radio says it will install the radio > data technology on 192 of its FM stations in the top 50 markets by > the end of November. " > > This begs two questions: aren't there a whole lot more radios with > AM Stereo capability on the road than there is RDS? And number 2: > why are they spending any energy on RDS if they are going to use > IBOC/HD, as I believe that they'll not be able to use the RDS > subcarrier with IBOC/HD? Why not? I thought the FM IBOC/HD Radio system was supposed to be compatable with the existing FM subcarriers, except maybe the 92 kHz SCA sub carrier. I don't see why FM IBOC should bother RDS. John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 08:52:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3238 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 15:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 15:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 15:52:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 15:52:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:52:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What's up with Salem? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 952 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What is WWDJ doing now, Kevin? I always thought they were quite > successful as a Contemporary Christian Music station. Just like 570 WMCA... talk, preaching, and infomercials (yes, that guy named "Stephan" with the high-pitched voice is hawking his quack weight-loss products on Christian stations, too). Here in central NJ, non-Salem "Star 99.1" (WAWZ) is now claiming to be "New York's" Christian music station, with a very AC-like format (lots of Amy Grant and Michael W. Smith), even though their signal really doesn't reach into the City. > Not too sure about that....The 'whizzing' noise that was present > on WQAM when tuned in "Stereo" mode on my SRF-A100 has been > mysteriously absent this morning while I was listening to the > "Jorge Rodriguez Show" on QAM... I wouldn't trust Radio World to be 100% accurate at reporting which stations are using IBOC; I'd use their articles as a guide to which stations *might* be using it. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 09:57:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88876 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 16:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 16:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 16:57:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.113] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 16:57:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:57:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT Dxing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1426 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" wrote: > WOW!! What kind of radio was it? I can't get that from where I am Just about most (not all) fairly-decent radios will do that. But one must realize something about radio in New Zealand, or in most places outside the US and Europe: Comparatively speaking, the AM broadcast band is not that crowded. Here are a couple examples of what I mean: http://tinyurl.com/s7z1 http://tinyurl.com/s7zd These are ~3MB MP3s each of bandscans recorded at local midnight in Chang Mai, Thailand (about 100 miles south of southeastern Tibet, er, southwestern China), recorded with an SRF-42 and nothing else. I repeat, these were recorded at LOCAL midnight, NOT daytime! (In these, there are stations from India, Bangladesh, China, as well as Thailand, with possibly Burma and Laos.) It's easier for Michael in NZ to DX across the Pacific than it is for a Californian to do so, because of the lack of crowded conditions. The Aussies and Kiwis would freak out if they had to put up with what us Yanks do every night! > I should mention, though, that I have a local 50kW (77kW days) X-Tra > (XETRA Tijuana Baja California Mexico) Sports 690 fairly close to me > which gives me fairly strong & clear groundwave coverage. XETRA does not come in as well as CBC 1 here, and I'm about right in the middle between the two. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 10:03:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1645 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 17:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 17:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 17:03:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.115] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 17:03:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:03:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Why RDS is HD is on the horizon? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031024123338.83899.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 848 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Amy Mousie" X-Originating-IP: 67.118.16.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > This begs two questions: aren't there a whole lot more radios with AM Stereo > capability on the road than there is RDS? And number 2: why are they spending > any energy on RDS if they are going to use IBOC/HD, as I believe that they'll > not be able to use the RDS subcarrier with IBOC/HD? 1: No; there are quite a few RDS-capable car receivers in the US- Just not so much home tuners, and hardly any portables. Only place in the world I know to buy an RDS portable- And there are about a dozen different ones- is in the UK. Here are most of them: http://www.ogormans.co.uk/rds.htm 2: RDS is cheap- Encoders cost $300-$500. If they can still have SCA with FM IBOC, they can still use RDS, which lodges itself in there as a SCA service. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jbyrns@rcn.com Fri Oct 24 10:12:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74688 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 17:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 17:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 17:12:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jbyrns@rcn.com Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 17:12:38 -0000 X-Sender: jbyrns@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10775 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 16:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 16:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 16:19:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.124] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 16:19:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:19:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject:Re: NRSC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1635 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bta_50g" X-Originating-IP: 216.80.74.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138635554 X-Yahoo-Profile: bta_50g X-eGroups-Edited-By: kevtronics X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 24 Oct 2003 17:12:37 -0000 Can someone enlighten me as to what "NRSC-1" and "NRSC-2" mean, I get totally confused every time someone brings it up? I had always assumed that "NRSC-2" doesn't have anything to do with pre emphasis. I remember when the "NRSC" filter and "NRSC" pre emphasis standards came out. Later the RF mask specification came out, and I thought it was known as "NRSC-2", so I assumed the pre emphasis and filter standards are what seems to be known as "NRSC-1"? Does anyone have the straight scoop on this? John From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 10:49:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47737 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 17:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 17:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41213.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 17:49:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20031024174929.88346.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:49:29 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Dxing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Yes the setup was a bit like yours It was on a Yachtboy 400 PE radio They dont get AM stereo but the dxing is excellent.The SRF A300 I am sure would get them as well but its easier with digital tuning. Michael --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > WOW!! What kind of radio was it? I can't get that > from where I am > > And was it any kind of a setup like this?: > http://pianoplayer.hey.nu/amradio/panasonic_fence_attempt_dx.jpg > > I should mention, though, that I have a local 50kW __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Fri Oct 24 11:47:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30844 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 18:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 18:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 18:47:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 18:47:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:47:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Tivoli PAL questions (lots of them) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c39a42$e6b22720$08a8a8c0@Chris1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 930 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 66.68.38.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello Chris, Just bought one (black, only color they had) it is now recharging. Cute little radio. Couldn't tell much about the performance in the store but a local strong signal sounded pretty good -- benefits of a sealed, acoustic suspension type box. The tuning mechanism is surprisingly good -- no noticible backlash. More impressions later. Will probably have the answers to most of my questions soon, anyway. Details about the stereo conversion and the LED modifcation would be helpful. Also, to me, AFC for FM has been a big no-no do you find it a problem and did you disable your AFC? More later, Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Cuff" wrote: > The short answer, for now, is to buy one- you won't regret it. I will answer > more stuff later. And yes, my decoder is a no brainer fit. No mods needed. > cc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pabigelow" From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 12:11:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61265 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 19:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 19:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 19:11:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 19:11:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:11:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT Dxing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1938 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > WOW!! What kind of radio was it? I can't get that from where I am > > Just about most (not all) fairly-decent radios will do that. But one > must realize something about radio in New Zealand, or in most places > outside the US and Europe: Comparatively speaking, the AM broadcast > band is not that crowded. > > Here are a couple examples of what I mean: > > http://tinyurl.com/s7z1 > http://tinyurl.com/s7zd > > These are ~3MB MP3s each of bandscans recorded at local midnight in > Chang Mai, Thailand (about 100 miles south of southeastern Tibet, er, > southwestern China), recorded with an SRF-42 and nothing else. I > repeat, these were recorded at LOCAL midnight, NOT daytime! > > (In these, there are stations from India, Bangladesh, China, as well > as Thailand, with possibly Burma and Laos.) > > It's easier for Michael in NZ to DX across the Pacific than it is for > a Californian to do so, because of the lack of crowded conditions. Sure sounds like it would be. :) Even on poor quality radios, I usually can hear something on every single channel at night, and often 2 or more stations (but usually on the better radios (except 1230, 1240 (which has a local), 1340, 1400, 1450 (which has a semi-local with daytime groundwave but disappears into the hash at night), even on some of the "clears"). > > The Aussies and Kiwis would freak out if they had to put up with what > us Yanks do every night! > > > I should mention, though, that I have a local 50kW (77kW days) X-Tra > > (XETRA Tijuana Baja California Mexico) Sports 690 fairly close to me > > which gives me fairly strong & clear groundwave coverage. > > XETRA does not come in as well as CBC 1 here, and I'm about right in > the middle between the two. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 12:30:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17579 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 19:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 19:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41212.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 19:30:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20031024193051.46140.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.99.29.207] by web41212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:30:51 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Dxing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael and Ross X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915 X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Most decent radios are made for the US market it appears . A lot of the stores here have glitzy radios with surround sound,Dolby they have lots of lights and a designer slim look for upmarket settings but none has AM Stereo,little if any has RDS,and not worth the money. Michael --- pianoplayer88key wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > "pianoplayer88key" > > Just about most (not all) fairly-decent radios > will do that. But one > > must realize something about radio in New Zealand, > or in most places > > outside the US and Europe: Comparatively speaking, > the AM broadcast > > band is not that crowded. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 12:38:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pianoplayer88key@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16718 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 19:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 19:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 19:38:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 19:38:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:37:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT Dxing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1927 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pianoplayer88key" X-Originating-IP: 68.105.110.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121096104 X-Yahoo-Profile: pianoplayer88key Here's a few bandscans I did at night a few nights ago (mid Oct '03)... ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/Panasonic_RQSW20_am-bandscan_l8evening_1.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/Panasonic_RQSW20_am-bandscan_l8evening_2.mp3 ftp://ftp.amstereoradio.com/uploads/Panasonic_RQSW20_am-bandscan_l8evening_3.mp3 (links being uploaded as I post this) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pianoplayer88key" > wrote: > > WOW!! What kind of radio was it? I can't get that from where I am > > Just about most (not all) fairly-decent radios will do that. But one > must realize something about radio in New Zealand, or in most places > outside the US and Europe: Comparatively speaking, the AM broadcast > band is not that crowded. > > Here are a couple examples of what I mean: > > http://tinyurl.com/s7z1 > http://tinyurl.com/s7zd > > These are ~3MB MP3s each of bandscans recorded at local midnight in > Chang Mai, Thailand (about 100 miles south of southeastern Tibet, er, > southwestern China), recorded with an SRF-42 and nothing else. I > repeat, these were recorded at LOCAL midnight, NOT daytime! > > (In these, there are stations from India, Bangladesh, China, as well > as Thailand, with possibly Burma and Laos.) > > It's easier for Michael in NZ to DX across the Pacific than it is for > a Californian to do so, because of the lack of crowded conditions. > > The Aussies and Kiwis would freak out if they had to put up with what > us Yanks do every night! > > > I should mention, though, that I have a local 50kW (77kW days) X-Tra > > (XETRA Tijuana Baja California Mexico) Sports 690 fairly close to me > > which gives me fairly strong & clear groundwave coverage. > > XETRA does not come in as well as CBC 1 here, and I'm about right in > the middle between the two. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From bossmsx2@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 13:08:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23820 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 20:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2003 20:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 20:08:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2003 20:08:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:08:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SRF-A100/A1 in Mono mode Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 231 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bossmsx2" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.85 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163386361 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx2 Someone here mentioned that the SRF-42, when in Mono mode, isn't really in mono mode; that it's in a sort of "Stereo blended" mode...Does the same apply to the SRF-A100/SRF-A1, or do those radios have a true Mono mode? Tony S.